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Ep. 235: "Where the Wind Lives"

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0:00:03hello hi John how's it going oh Maury

0:00:09rather things are good

0:00:12Oh smashing to hear pip-pip gallery as

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0:00:19one's friends and swarming house

0:00:22yes lottery dollars corset membership

0:00:27has its privileges

0:00:29mm-hmm

0:00:32so you say mm oh I got some really

0:00:38really tiny espresso Boateng is Russell

0:00:41tank i love their first three records

0:00:43mm-hmm tanki yep yep yep everything's

0:00:48going pretty good pretty you pick up

0:00:50your books yet little gonna be one of

0:00:55those episodes I who knows what it is

0:00:58and you know what handling as you say

0:01:00what good my shows and everything that's

0:01:04in the show is in the show it's

0:01:06happening in the show that's how you

0:01:08know it's in the show that's precisely

0:01:11right receives the moment

0:01:14merly murderer man John right three keys

0:01:21watching you

0:01:22that's in the show that's in the show

0:01:24everything in the show it's part of the

0:01:26show

0:01:26that's how you pointed out the other day

0:01:28that every time you look at a picture of

0:01:30Halla notes

0:01:31Paul is on the left notes on the right

0:01:35ah this is true I've chinesse i have

0:01:38found a couple candid shots but pretty

0:01:41much every this goes all the way back to

0:01:44like 73 maybe Paul's going to told me

0:01:47this might be it might be a total lot of

0:01:50people about this

0:01:50yeah but yeah I know it's a it's always

0:01:53hall on our left

0:01:55yeah hall on our left to call on our

0:02:00left but is watching you

0:02:03man your Android they're really

0:02:06underrated we've gone over this heavily

0:02:08oh and you know what we can talk about

0:02:09holidays it's like time travel around

0:02:12like talking on

0:02:13what's going on in your world maritime

0:02:16in the woods

0:02:18it's been awhile now it's good it's good

0:02:21I yeah I got strong feelings

0:02:26yeah like a strong feelings about the

0:02:28walking dead but I also strong feelings

0:02:30about rei let's start with rei because I

0:02:34don't know anything about the walking

0:02:36dead so no I don't talk about let's not

0:02:37talk about time travel

0:02:39no no but I want to talk about re I've

0:02:41got to see I've got a history with rei

0:02:43and it all comes back to this basic

0:02:45point i go into that store for article

0:02:48of clothing or gear is going to have

0:02:52some kind of a fairly specific non

0:02:55adventure role in my life he wanted to

0:03:00wick away sweat

0:03:01well i mean i wouldn't mind that mhm

0:03:05they wanted to be lightweight but still

0:03:07durable yeah that would be nice

0:03:10I i would like it to be a modern

0:03:12technical a lot of cases but I think I

0:03:15told you the story the first time I

0:03:16remember ever buying something at rei I

0:03:19went in and it was buying a pair of what

0:03:21was then you remember in the late

0:03:22nineties there was a vogue for kind of

0:03:25like high-tech cargo pants like urban

0:03:28outfitter pants that were like a hundred

0:03:29fifty dollars and also we were still

0:03:31wearing we in the dot com biz we're

0:03:33still wearing like a hiking boot toward

0:03:35yeah I was kind of a look it's an

0:03:37evergreen look and was it that was a

0:03:40royal robbins brand paints I've had I

0:03:43have a royal robbins shirt from around

0:03:46that time that I still where it's been

0:03:48very durable and it works and

0:03:50lightweight durable lightweight for my

0:03:53active lifestyle right works with what

0:03:55so anyway anyway I mean this is just as

0:03:57she set the tone from rei problem which

0:03:59is I must say my problem not yours is

0:04:01problem but you never know

0:04:03well here's the thing i went in there

0:04:05and shop like a dude you know I tend to

0:04:09just kinda like I barely stopped moving

0:04:10the entire time i'm in the place i put

0:04:12on these shoes and then they offer me

0:04:14this device that they prefer a role it

0:04:17has this little device where you can

0:04:19like it emulates rock and what is so it

0:04:23looks kind of like an organic

0:04:26hasook like almost like the world's

0:04:28worst ottoman like if you have the lag

0:04:30might that was an ottoman an organic

0:04:32have shower organic cast cassocks

0:04:36cassock ass off half the Catholic is a

0:04:39dancer a Catholic as well as a kind of

0:04:42Russian in rhythm is a dancer is that

0:04:44right rhythm is gonna move you okay what

0:04:48about you can see there's a part of the

0:04:50rhythm nation

0:04:51I thought I was okay i was until miss

0:04:54Jackson said I was nasty

0:04:55wow that's right it all comes back to

0:04:57early man so they had this I tried them

0:04:59on and they're like the guys talking

0:05:01about things like torsion control so you

0:05:03got to have that and all this in the

0:05:05wide foot base and he offered me the

0:05:09organic asslick to try to tread upon the

0:05:12whole test performance characteristics

0:05:14of my new footwear and he said yeah what

0:05:18are you gonna wear you be doing this

0:05:19I'll never forget i said i was on a long

0:05:21lunch break from a dot-com job and I

0:05:23said I said we're gonna do it be said

0:05:25these are webpage making shoes i was he

0:05:29was not mad i mean i think he was maybe

0:05:33not exactly disappointed but like I let

0:05:35him down because I'm even then I was a

0:05:39middle-aged white guy had nothing much

0:05:40has changed but I don't think you're

0:05:41supposed to tear away the veil as

0:05:44abruptly as i did know you're supposed

0:05:47to say well you know I do like hiking a

0:05:49lot of weekends stop and get out there

0:05:51trying to get out and get my tool a box

0:05:54and clear my Subaru and I go to the

0:05:56front face of the mountain climb and you

0:06:01know gets no tell you the dogs drag it

0:06:04out there are you know I always try to

0:06:06get out there that's why I got super you

0:06:08know love is what makes a Subaru a

0:06:09Subaru well-loved and yeah Rockets love

0:06:14love and and you know what coexist all

0:06:17coexist

0:06:19yeah Mr exist oh I'm also yeah

0:06:22wagging less than barking 10 waiting on

0:06:25you like I'm part of the elizabeth

0:06:28warren wing of the bumper sticker

0:06:30community so so now fast-forward to

0:06:34today so we don't go to the mall

0:06:36very much but I want to visit some

0:06:37friends in corte madera and corte madera

0:06:39is where they have to really nice malls

0:06:42when we go to court in madera or pass by

0:06:44corte madera I make a point of saying to

0:06:46my to my ladies I say let's go to the

0:06:48mall because one thing they got a

0:06:49bookstore got a barnes and noble single

0:06:51book start by some books they also know

0:06:54what I'm started running on please today

0:06:56when you say let's go to the mall you

0:06:59already stipulated to really nice malls

0:07:01and pull the Madeira yeah look these up

0:07:04about you did everyone know which mall

0:07:07you're referring to or is everything

0:07:09we've got stonestown we've been to

0:07:11stonestown you and me that's near us

0:07:13that's that's kind of a sad mall and

0:07:15it's it's kind of on its way out but

0:07:17corte madera so there's two malls

0:07:19there's the village at corte madera and

0:07:24there is the town's there's the village

0:07:28at corte madera and then there's the

0:07:29town centre corte madera concern for

0:07:32having me a PM no it's not a sentra it's

0:07:35not at the atra it's a so in there

0:07:38across the highway from each other now

0:07:41my friends live like a stone's throw

0:07:43from this mall so we go to the mall

0:07:44because the barnes and noble and we go i

0:07:47go to the rei because i said to my wife

0:07:49I says I said I I'm very happy that is

0:07:52why I says Wi-Fi I'm very happy with my

0:07:56rain jacket that they got me for my

0:07:57birthday

0:07:58your two ago I love it love it i think

0:08:01it's a marmot it's got a liner it's

0:08:03really nice it's blue it's everything I

0:08:05could want in a jack and i think let's

0:08:06be honest I think we bought it at rei

0:08:08right it should it sheds rain but it was

0:08:11a waste what it's got performance

0:08:13characteristics and torsion control so

0:08:15now you know flash for this is some 16

0:08:1717 years since my first re-experience

0:08:20and I still feel like an utter fucking

0:08:23poser because here's me me is I want to

0:08:26go in there and I want to get some kind

0:08:28of a jacket that's not quite a rain

0:08:30jacket I want to be not quite a

0:08:32Pendleton shirt I want something that's

0:08:34like a jacket that a man would wear and

0:08:37not look like he's caused playing some

0:08:40role right now I'm not gonna make a big

0:08:43deal about this people should do the

0:08:44things that they like to do and have

0:08:45nothing against cosplay or large

0:08:47for fronting the face of the extreme

0:08:50mountain sure

0:08:51with that said I went in there and I

0:08:53looked at every single item they had in

0:08:55their jackets section I almost made us

0:08:57late for dinner because i was determined

0:08:58to find something and we're here

0:09:01it wasn't even a money thing it was

0:09:03because they're all kind of costly I was

0:09:04ready for that but there's gotta be

0:09:05something here I could wear where I

0:09:09don't look like I take yoga right where

0:09:11I don't look like a nothing again I

0:09:13think that's the yoga community co-exist

0:09:15but I want something that like looks

0:09:17like something I would wear and my

0:09:19cosplay my default cosplay is to look

0:09:23kind of like a lesbian janitor right

0:09:26kind of a carhartt Dickie look a lot of

0:09:28the time my sanity lesbians have the

0:09:31best haircuts ing or less i would cue

0:09:34ball pretty good here yet but you don't

0:09:37struggling i'm struggling that's a whole

0:09:39different issue i'm thinking about my

0:09:40friend Alex who is part of the tribe she

0:09:43goes to supercuts I'm thinking ago she

0:09:45has a great haircut i'm thinking of

0:09:46going to supercuts i don't know i don't

0:09:48know if i don't know how it's done

0:09:50apparently grass you just grows back but

0:09:53I've been following I've been following

0:09:54this phenomenon the lesbian haircut for

0:09:5627 years

0:09:58how do i do it what is like a house for

0:10:00it what is it up but anyway so there you

0:10:04are in your car hardened dickies looking

0:10:06for the perfect coat to communicate that

0:10:09you are you well to communicate honestly

0:10:12it's or the I don't see the opposite of

0:10:14what you do but i want to communicate as

0:10:15little as possible

0:10:16I at this point I want to just not be

0:10:19noticed and what I want to do it in a

0:10:22way that's comfortable here some of my

0:10:23points I would like it to be something

0:10:24that doesn't look too much like a rain

0:10:26jacket because I got a good rain jacket

0:10:28I need something for when it's maybe

0:10:30gonna rain but probably not i want to be

0:10:32warm but not polar i would like pockets

0:10:35i was i would like some pockets on it

0:10:37and one velcro closure i like a Velcro

0:10:41sleeve dingus

0:10:43I don't mind snaps in their little class

0:10:45here and i looked at one by a company i

0:10:47think it's called i want to say cool

0:10:49k uhl I'm not sure he had some nice

0:10:52things but they had kind of a yoga

0:10:54construction worker vibe

0:10:56and a little bit of a of they had a snap

0:11:00clasp which ones i say i'm not against

0:11:01they also have their own apparently rei

0:11:04has their own bespoke brand of super

0:11:07fancy it's called after its or something

0:11:09like that

0:11:09oh yeah and and those jackets are seven

0:11:12hundred fifty dollars which is a little

0:11:13bit out of my price range plus again

0:11:17we're back to the dot-com shoes I feel

0:11:18like I cannot live up to this clothing

0:11:20so anyway I walked out of there feeling

0:11:21kind of sad i went and looked at shirts

0:11:23because I can always use another long

0:11:25sleeve shirt i ended up buying nothing

0:11:26which is ok but but I you know I'm

0:11:29frustrated with myself I don't want to

0:11:30say I'm frustrated with rei because i'm

0:11:32pretty sure everybody goes in there is

0:11:33pretty extreme but I feel I feel I have

0:11:39trouble finding the clothes that are for

0:11:41me and now series you know they're not

0:11:43going to carry the Trump stuff anymore

0:11:45macy's they're not doing great honey I

0:11:47don't know where to turn and I'm trying

0:11:49not to just buy things on the internet

0:11:50because it seems weird

0:11:52well yes that's why am I frustrated with

0:11:55the walking dead a little bit and I do

0:11:56not find a jacket that's saying to me

0:11:59you have you've hit on the thing I'm

0:12:03afraid

0:12:03Merlin who you did on the real thing and

0:12:08this thing is the what I would describe

0:12:11as the decline and fall of a outdoor

0:12:15gear haha

0:12:19we've talked about is fine i think you

0:12:23had a part of decline with was there a

0:12:25time when you would you bet your life on

0:12:29this equipment there was a time when you

0:12:30can be hanging from MH we became there

0:12:34with your with your with your user

0:12:36jagermeister in your pocket dangling off

0:12:38a rock somewhere in Germany not even

0:12:40sure where we're feel like you're

0:12:41wearing borrowed feet and you're hanging

0:12:43on by a zipper there was a time hanging

0:12:46on by a zipper there was a there was a

0:12:50sweet spot right I feel like there's a

0:12:52sweet spot when things had things have

0:12:55progressed from wool and and wax cotton

0:13:00yeah there were new fabrics there were

0:13:03knew there was this new kind of science

0:13:07that we

0:13:08saying like oh we don't have to wear

0:13:10keeley hands and rubber every time we go

0:13:13out into the rain we can start to wear

0:13:15these lighter fabrics that breathe that

0:13:17wick away the sweat that have technology

0:13:20but those items were still built at the

0:13:27built in the fashion and of you know

0:13:30like it with the accoutrements of

0:13:33earlier coats so what what what it was I

0:13:38guess was years and years of time tested

0:13:41a apparel design by which i mean like

0:13:46the the actual shape of the garment and

0:13:48the situation of the pockets the shape

0:13:51of the hood who did the use of certain

0:13:54kinds of clasp zip heavy zippers you

0:13:58know huh

0:13:59but we have these new fabrics and it was

0:14:00and now you can have a jacket that was

0:14:02read holy cow

0:14:03yeah and the and the the wicking of

0:14:06course being a big thing I keep

0:14:07mentioning looking is important

0:14:09oh my god Wiccans important then someone

0:14:12you want those things like a like a

0:14:13microwave where you don't really realize

0:14:15how much you need it until you have it

0:14:16then you're going how did I ever do

0:14:17without waking how did I do

0:14:19although i know people that don't have a

0:14:20microwave if you can believe that so i

0:14:22made my first pee in a cup

0:14:23we should come back to that oh you did

0:14:25in fact that I'm but now i'm with you

0:14:28i'm thinking hear about also and you see

0:14:31no i'm not a ski person but I'm thinking

0:14:33about when ski gear changed at some

0:14:36point i'm guessing the seventies whereas

0:14:38like when I was a kid you get bundled up

0:14:39to go as we would say play in the snow

0:14:41you had all these layers and you look

0:14:44like Ralphie's brother and you know

0:14:45Christmas story and then they came out

0:14:47with these a-z colors in these more

0:14:49lightweight garments and but then things

0:14:54got very the to use a phrase I learned

0:14:56from my wife she refers to her clothes

0:14:58she wears to exercise what she does

0:15:00every day she calls it technical gear

0:15:02yeah that's right technical gear yeah

0:15:04there's where that that's where we got

0:15:06off the rails think so yeah because

0:15:08because as you say it's not just you

0:15:11you're not alone in sitting on your

0:15:13technical gear and more than writing

0:15:14software codes know

0:15:16no like one in a thousand people that

0:15:21buys a that buys this stuff that's

0:15:24advertised with a photograph of someone

0:15:26summiting machu picchu there is good to

0:15:34say somebody machu picchu yeah they've

0:15:36never summit much would be too nope and

0:15:39I and never will write what they but

0:15:42they but the gear you know it's like it

0:15:44like you say because you're you live in

0:15:46a climate you're gonna go outside is it

0:15:48gonna rain

0:15:49I don't know is it gonna you know like

0:15:51it could be 60 degrees when i walk out

0:15:53the door and by the time i get where I'm

0:15:55going to be 40 degrees and like hailing

0:15:58and I want something that doesn't that I

0:16:01don't like it I don't like it doe mhm

0:16:04partly they don't want to look like a

0:16:05dope like I get there and I'm not

0:16:07prepared you want to be prepared for

0:16:09anything even if you're not leaving that

0:16:10and it's just everything else in your

0:16:12house and they could totally happen this

0:16:14is climate is a very complicated she got

0:16:16butterfly wings i I'm with you on the

0:16:18seattle thing though in the sense that

0:16:21what while I think it's sweet that my

0:16:23daughter likes an umbrella i do not do

0:16:24an umbrella

0:16:25no no I'm gonna love above umbrellas I

0:16:28got it I got a hood and I got my

0:16:30personal will my willpower

0:16:32that's right what if you let's say you

0:16:34are let's say it's a walking dead

0:16:35scenario and all of a sudden your

0:16:37zombies everywhere and you've got it

0:16:39like I don't know what go walking

0:16:41amongst the top walking amongst the dead

0:16:44and presumably like hitting them with

0:16:45machetes sometimes and you got a

0:16:47souped-up truck i'm i'm just i'm

0:16:49guessing about this from seeing

0:16:52billboards in the New York subway

0:16:53yeah you're not you know how far off but

0:16:55so you're out there and it's a you're on

0:16:58this death trail and I gum guessing

0:17:00you've heard rumors that somewhere

0:17:03there's a community of people that have

0:17:05survived and I want way to present this

0:17:07you're headed there right

0:17:10meet up with the band it may just be a

0:17:12myth this is gonna be the one

0:17:14this is going to be the place may just

0:17:16be the myth that they're there but then

0:17:18you keep you have to keep going because

0:17:19what else

0:17:20why else can turn back mhm you can't

0:17:23just surrender you have to keep fighting

0:17:25are you gonna be carrying a fucking

0:17:26umbrella

0:17:28not unless it's a poison-tipped umbrella

0:17:30unless you replace your hands chopped

0:17:32off by the guy at the last immunity to

0:17:34save your life

0:17:35alright so you got your hand chopped off

0:17:37but somehow the poison blood of the

0:17:39zombies did not infect you yeah you

0:17:41haven't turned and now you can now you

0:17:43can take the umbrella to your hand and

0:17:45you become umbrella man's just like the

0:17:49guy the kennedy assassination

0:17:51why is he there you may be the zombie is

0:17:54coming anyway forget to bring an

0:17:55umbrella with a pretty sunny day to me

0:17:57haha maybe it's a situation where if you

0:18:00get infected with a cold the zombie gets

0:18:03right in your face but he can't smell

0:18:05you because they only want two kills

0:18:07well people em right now that's one just

0:18:10you know not to spoil anything but one

0:18:12common way to disguise yourself is to

0:18:14cover yourself with guts like zombie

0:18:16guts and then they have to one of them

0:18:17and you can you give some a poncho and

0:18:19you put zombie guts on you can walk

0:18:21around now you know again that poncho

0:18:23you would want something with wicking

0:18:24when performance characteristics you

0:18:27want machu picchu well and arc'teryx

0:18:29actually makes a zombie guts

0:18:31terex you know the name of course i do

0:18:34so arc'teryx is an rei grand they are a

0:18:36comedian super adventure tech brand em

0:18:39and they're getting Seattle like John

0:18:41Sherlock mm no no flu bug is longtime

0:18:45Seattle company arc'teryx eventually

0:18:47Canadian people things I know they are

0:18:49Jesus Christ check that out

0:18:51arc'teryx i think is made in bangladesh

0:18:54play and that was utilized for

0:18:57Bangladesh's you're gonna want some

0:18:59performance characteristics right and

0:19:01arc'teryx if you pick up one of those

0:19:03jackets that cost seven to 17 hundred

0:19:05dollars

0:19:06yeah it's like you become lighter the

0:19:09jacket is so light that that there's now

0:19:12like there's like a bounce in your step

0:19:14the the jacket is lifting you up off the

0:19:16earth it takes 20 pounds away but i

0:19:19cannot i cannot personally paid hundred

0:19:22dollars for a technical jacket so I have

0:19:26to go I have to longingly paw through

0:19:28those things i can't even justify the

0:19:31customer patagonia jacket which is only

0:19:33four hundred and fifty dollars

0:19:35yes to me it's like expensive wine where

0:19:38it's lost on me like you know it'sit's

0:19:41dropped bits like if i were to spend I

0:19:43mean you know you know it's a common

0:19:44thing people idiots like me say it's

0:19:46like you never seen a twenty dollar

0:19:47bottle of wine and a thousand-dollar

0:19:48bottle of wine a lot of money but like

0:19:50I'm not sure I would appreciate it that

0:19:53much more than say a forty dollar bottle

0:19:54of wine with my gender dollar jacket I

0:19:56go hey this is pretty nice like that

0:19:57since two-hundred-dollar jackets that

0:19:58are pretty nice right right but but you

0:20:01know 7702 seventeen hundred dollars is a

0:20:04lot for a particular it is and it's a

0:20:08lot for the thing about so i do not

0:20:10remember the first time I went to rei

0:20:12because i was going to rei when I was a

0:20:17little kit because my dad was like a

0:20:20very early member of rei and he knew all

0:20:24those people personally and like Jim

0:20:28Whittaker was I don't they weren't like

0:20:31pals but they were high five and white

0:20:33guys for sure like we would see jim

0:20:36whittaker and there'd be a lot of like

0:20:37high-five and joshan and so we were that

0:20:43was just they grew up in the rei kind of

0:20:45and then in Anchorage the rei was like

0:20:48it was almost a social place if you went

0:20:51there you were absolutely certain to run

0:20:54into one or seven people that you knew

0:20:56and you'd stand around to them and

0:20:59somebody was there for cross-country ski

0:21:01wax and somebody was there because they

0:21:03needed you know five new pairs of wool

0:21:06socks and somebody was there you know

0:21:08and i was there because i needed some

0:21:10kind of shoelaces or you know it was

0:21:12like where you went to sort of the

0:21:14general store and I and all my friends

0:21:19that was you know like keep it oh and

0:21:22they also have the they also had what

0:21:24was at one point called the Attic then

0:21:26it was the basement was the Attic again

0:21:28and re i had one of those nordstrom

0:21:31policies where you could return anything

0:21:33tho single-a Stefan clear-cut yeah you

0:21:37by somebody would buy a pair of

0:21:39rollerblades use them once break their

0:21:41arm bringing back was a pair of

0:21:43rollerblades that have been used once

0:21:45but it was like

0:21:4618 that cost so i mean in fact i got my

0:21:50first pair of rollerblades there is also

0:21:54my life

0:21:55ok alright alright it was the one pair

0:21:57of rollerblades I brand alright but I

0:21:59thought I was an early adopter i got

0:22:01these rollerblades pretty early on nice

0:22:03and and i enjoyed them but it was but it

0:22:06was very definitely a thing where it's

0:22:08like oh I am I going to use rollerplate

0:22:12yeah no I'm not is what it turned out

0:22:15but so anyway but there was absolutely

0:22:18was a moment where I started to feel

0:22:19alien in an rei and I and it was a

0:22:23devastating time because it's been such

0:22:25a like it was like I felt like such a

0:22:28family operation to a general store

0:22:30cooperative it is a co-op at heart right

0:22:33yeah

0:22:34oh it out and still is you know they

0:22:35still send me a check at the end of the

0:22:37year around for my small portion of the

0:22:42profits and then you take check down to

0:22:46rei and spend it on stuff you know you

0:22:48get yourself a new headlamp like I have

0:22:5140 headlamps in this house because they

0:22:53never die and it's a it's like an easy

0:22:56christmas present back in back in the

0:22:58day like there'd be a bin by the can be

0:23:01a bit of them by the cash register and

0:23:02you go you don't like a headlamp for

0:23:04Christmas John Roderick that's where

0:23:07they be in the stockings and I never the

0:23:09thing is I never said I've already got a

0:23:11headlamp I was always thrilled to get a

0:23:13headlamp I should get a headlamp I'm

0:23:14like that with flashlights I've spent

0:23:16more on flashlights then I should every

0:23:17time I see a flashlight that's nicer

0:23:19brighter better made the 1i already have

0:23:22i'll pick it up and it sits in the did

0:23:24the two digit range it's not a always a

0:23:27cheap thing but last year for example

0:23:29we're trying to find a cat fight back

0:23:31behind our house without going shot for

0:23:33nothing just it bae that they it's

0:23:36called it's called the glide it's got

0:23:38its got a nice lumen heavy heavy lumens

0:23:40light plus you can slide it open and

0:23:43then you get a get a little lamp

0:23:45oh sure you and then you can hang it on

0:23:47a tree

0:23:48sure but your campus they're badass

0:23:50magnet on the end so you stick on the

0:23:51refrigerator which my wife loves let me

0:23:53ask you this cazombi see light at night

0:23:56is that a threat or do they go to sleep

0:23:58at night or what are the only awaken

0:24:00right well no they are awake that there

0:24:04are some problems with science without

0:24:06you guys here to your townhouse at any

0:24:09point and close all the windows like

0:24:11yeah the the problem with the walkers is

0:24:14that especially when there's large

0:24:16numbers of them like they nuttin not

0:24:19there's not one of them that's going to

0:24:20figure out how to open your fence but

0:24:22when there's 1500 of them and they lean

0:24:24forward your fence goes down it's not

0:24:26that kind of situation will do they here

0:24:28and do here dancing and noise and use

0:24:31one another's bodies to climb up over

0:24:32big walls

0:24:33well as far as the dancing they

0:24:36definitely respond to sound they have

0:24:38used sound as a way to attract or dis

0:24:41distract Walker's at various times and

0:24:45that's what we can really you can screw

0:24:46somebody to play some live music there

0:24:48somebody want to get watered pro who

0:24:51yeah in your face

0:24:53I just walk toward you rules have

0:24:55changed my friend the rules have changed

0:24:56and you in the great in the in the

0:25:00Native American fashion from a herd of

0:25:03Walker's off a cliff

0:25:04oh let me style well that's that's that

0:25:08ends when I don't spoil it for you

0:25:10because you're saving these for prison

0:25:11and then Shakespeare chicken else after

0:25:14i presume i'll be in prison long enough

0:25:16to call for water please

0:25:17they tried that and you know it seems

0:25:21like there's always some smart talk that

0:25:22end up screwing things up at one point

0:25:24they were trying to like run mall into a

0:25:25pit that was you at one point but I took

0:25:29your topic be so sorry I for you and

0:25:32your family was a person if increasingly

0:25:34you felt you felt out of place there I

0:25:38felt this strange i would go in at

0:25:39wander around and what happened was all

0:25:42the all the technical fabrics I think

0:25:45aloud al1 also the the pressure to have

0:25:49new stuff every season it turned

0:25:54adventure gear into this thing that

0:25:57wasn't it was no longer in will exploit

0:26:03for I best I like what is a novel

0:26:08solution

0:26:09what's an inexpensive way to manufacture

0:26:11this while still maintaining

0:26:13the the sort of fun like false front

0:26:16that is super durable right its

0:26:19technical without being durable it's

0:26:23called they want i wanted to blow up on

0:26:26you they wanted to be they wanted to

0:26:28look like five years ago so you have to

0:26:31get a new one and i'm not saying this is

0:26:33this is rei generating this from within

0:26:36their cooperative heart I think it's

0:26:38just the it's just a pandemic of outdoor

0:26:41gear and and I'll tell you something I

0:26:44heard now this is third hand but i

0:26:46remember i had a friend of a friend and

0:26:49I heard from a friend of a friend who

0:26:51worked at the limited limited the the

0:26:53younger girls clothing store that was so

0:26:55popular community all things interesting

0:26:58yeah interesting uh that you know

0:27:01limited at the time anyway famously had

0:27:03a very permissive return policy which

0:27:07would allow you to bring in pretty much

0:27:09anything and exchange it I don't think

0:27:12they would give you cash but he would do

0:27:14an exchange now there's several

0:27:15interesting points here interesting

0:27:17point is I mean maybe setting aside the

0:27:19esprit stuff stuff that was very

0:27:20inexpensive to make and they charge

0:27:23quite a markup on it so they there was

0:27:25some wiggle room to be able to afford

0:27:26exchanges probably good to the wiggle

0:27:29that's how they get you but then here

0:27:31the other thing is what they discovered

0:27:32was turns out people who come in to do

0:27:34their free exchange haha put it to the

0:27:36man and a bunch of stuff along with it

0:27:38haha to the music goes around pretty

0:27:41soon everybody's wearing nothing but

0:27:42limited you're basically turning limited

0:27:44or wearing limited all the time right

0:27:46because they can't because yeah right

0:27:48there in there in the whole tell your

0:27:50underwater as they say I used to take my

0:27:52shoes back to the north from and get a

0:27:57new pair of shoes and then wear them out

0:27:58and then taken back to nordstrom because

0:27:59that I was poor and I was you know and I

0:28:02still there i was poor but I still felt

0:28:04like I shop at nordstrom yeah and I

0:28:07brought I finally brought a parent to a

0:28:09guy and he was a shoe salesman whose

0:28:11about my age and I was like yeah these

0:28:14shoes i just feel like my time to take

0:28:17him back you know what I'm saying and he

0:28:19looked at me was like I think you've

0:28:21gotten a lot

0:28:22you sound of these shoes don't you

0:28:23interested and he shamed me into taking

0:28:27those shoes and walk me out the door on

0:28:30and I was like oh my god that the the

0:28:33salad days are over

0:28:35uh-huh he didn't say no he just employed

0:28:39something much more effective than no

0:28:41yeah you can get you thinking

0:28:43yeah he knowed me in a way that I never

0:28:45did it again like I don't take anything

0:28:48back now if i buy something and it

0:28:50doesn't work for me I take it to the

0:28:52thrift store

0:28:53I let me ask you this if you're going to

0:28:57buy a house will have I wonder why I've

0:28:59never heard of this before but yeah if I

0:29:01were building a giant a McMansion right

0:29:04now where i was designing it instead of

0:29:06a panic room I would build a wiggle room

0:29:09why has nobody done this what has never

0:29:11even heard of the idea for a little room

0:29:13and I'm fascinated by a build a pumping

0:29:15wiggle room and then it first of all it

0:29:18gives you wiggle room says it says it

0:29:20right there on the 10 right and then who

0:29:22doesn't want a room where thats

0:29:23expressly the point of it right going

0:29:26there wiggle i love this idea

0:29:29yeah you got kids like God you kids

0:29:31going to wiggle wiggle wiggle room and

0:29:33wouldn't have to be that big just has

0:29:34been big enough to wiggle in well yeah

0:29:36but you want to be you'd want to be big

0:29:38enough for four you know if you needed

0:29:40wiggle room but also write on friday

0:29:42night you and the lady looking for

0:29:44something you know looking for a little

0:29:45bit of a strange go down to the wiggle

0:29:47room

0:29:47oh man get your will put the tarp on the

0:29:50floor so what I'm saying is why is that

0:29:53not why why are people not just in every

0:29:56month here but why are you on boards you

0:29:59should get more boards you can help so

0:30:00many people with these ideas

0:30:02I mean you're pioneering this idea you

0:30:03want you want to get the monk holes in

0:30:05their you want to escape valves get

0:30:07secret walls of wiggle room

0:30:08I mean this is you this is just money on

0:30:11the table

0:30:12mommy on the day all so we suggest let

0:30:18me suggest a thing to you which is that

0:30:20within the sailing community

0:30:24which is it so sorry i didn't thing

0:30:26where they went from just sort of

0:30:28mountain alpine they expanded at 1.2

0:30:32prosumer goods right and this happened

0:30:36Eddie Bauer to eddie bauer became more

0:30:39and more prosumer until they just

0:30:41presumed that way right out of the pro

0:30:42and they just became Sumer rei still has

0:30:47enough pro you call him prosumer but

0:30:50there's a lot of sooner we get in there

0:30:52pro but within the sailing community

0:30:55which is you know a forgotten side of

0:30:59the adventure sport community you know

0:31:01that they go on some gnarly adventures

0:31:03one might say even getting on a sailboat

0:31:06begins an adventure because the cell

0:31:10could sink in anytime and then where are

0:31:11you

0:31:12that's true but if you had a shipping

0:31:14container in the middle of the South

0:31:16Indian and motion putting idea what are

0:31:19you gonna do you're gonna you're gonna

0:31:20try and build your boat back but that's

0:31:22not gonna work on my ladies from sailing

0:31:24people ya say we are very very nautical

0:31:27my mom or my brothers-in-law installs

0:31:31high-end electronics into high-end

0:31:33seacraft so that could be your

0:31:36navigation system you know communication

0:31:38system often enough let's be honest it's

0:31:40an entertainment system but that's what

0:31:42he does and he's doing quite well with

0:31:43it is very nautical now when I met my

0:31:45wife she had was a helly hansen was at

0:31:47the name of it

0:31:48ya better pronounced helium civilians

0:31:51all ok larger see but that's that's also

0:31:53how they get you is a secret

0:31:54annunciation but she said she had a

0:31:57sailing jacket that she had inherited

0:31:59from her much-loved not inherited well

0:32:02as before he passed away but anyway she

0:32:03got her dad's old jacket which is in

0:32:05beautiful condition and that was really

0:32:07cool as ever let go to giant rain jacket

0:32:10and had a little thing we could like

0:32:11string a rope through it how cool is

0:32:13that

0:32:14yep get that you have really learned

0:32:16shirt on Mariner is a spoon tailored

0:32:20shirt

0:32:21yes it is spoon good grab good grab sits

0:32:24in that shirt red shirt it was fitted

0:32:27fitted shirt fitted shirt they don't

0:32:30make them like my dad's old furniture

0:32:31nope but so within so sailing is the

0:32:35place where I have found

0:32:37there is still just take you away it

0:32:39takes me but it does sailing takes me

0:32:44away

0:32:44that's not a firearm paradise at least

0:32:46it's not for me and the wind it's listen

0:32:49when you see the Southern Cross Merlin

0:32:51yeah that's when you know

0:32:53yeah about how many times i have right

0:32:56yeah how have surprised the roads must a

0:33:00man walk down before he is a before he's

0:33:04a bad man behind blue yeah before he's

0:33:08reluctant to travel because it is a

0:33:09violation

0:33:10anyway I think about riding fences

0:33:13alcohol yeah so you go to you so you put

0:33:18in you put into the googs just something

0:33:22simple

0:33:23ok i'm out like sailing clothes sailing

0:33:27ok and you get this you get websites

0:33:32like apps limited VIP absolute

0:33:35absolutely west coast sailing sailing

0:33:38pro shop and then you go in then you

0:33:41start looking at jackets in there and

0:33:43almost some they're all these brands you

0:33:44never heard of you can and you go

0:33:47there's other brands that I never heard

0:33:50of in what I would consider to be the

0:33:52Outdoor Adventure Gear world

0:33:54wow there's this this this is these are

0:33:56some unusual designs because you're out

0:33:59there sailing and you're trying to you

0:34:01know when you come into the harbor

0:34:03you've got a whole different group of

0:34:05people that you're trying to communicate

0:34:06with bilo you're gonna rep different

0:34:10you're going to wrap a very different

0:34:11thing and if you're if you i'm sure

0:34:13there are people coming into Harbor in a

0:34:15in an arc teryx mhm but the sailors no

0:34:19oh you're trying to get trying to get

0:34:22away with the double duty here writing

0:34:24your work or you recently skiing like I

0:34:28wasn't skiing i was just sailing and

0:34:30that's why I'm wearing this Gil or Zeke

0:34:34or henri lloyd outfit is it a little bit

0:34:38like wearing a football jersey to a

0:34:40baseball game

0:34:40well it depends like how much do you

0:34:44want to

0:34:44how much do you want to culture jam how

0:34:46much are you see if you're not actually

0:34:48playing the game

0:34:49professionally and kisses that's enough

0:34:51that much but in San Francisco you show

0:34:54up in a in a jacket that that it is like

0:34:58sailing identifying them if you sailing

0:35:01identify yeah

0:35:03ninety-nine percent of the people out in

0:35:05there who are just two are just the

0:35:07cotan just writing code yes for

0:35:10computers and they're not gonna know the

0:35:12difference

0:35:12I gotta be honest with you I i said i

0:35:14don't recognize I don't read a lot of

0:35:16these as nautical where this is cool

0:35:19this is one here the Gilo as to ceiling

0:35:21jacket looks kinda like the colorful

0:35:22character Deadpool there's a lot of you

0:35:25get Nantucket shorts i guess that gives

0:35:27you like waterproof but but now honestly

0:35:29if I saw a lot of this would not

0:35:31necessarily read as a sailing gear to me

0:35:33right and there's looking just at the

0:35:36first pulldown menu

0:35:38hmmm you see you see things like shirts

0:35:41and rash guards rashguards now I don't

0:35:44think I don't think Aria Aria has a

0:35:46separate category for rash guards so and

0:35:49then over here this is an interesting

0:35:51combination sunglasses hats and me pads

0:35:55hmm like those are grouped together

0:35:57through the sunglasses have to me pants

0:36:00just keep the sleepwalking get to wear

0:36:01knee pads just FYI wilshire because

0:36:04you're in combat mode right and can hang

0:36:07on tires

0:36:08well you put yeah right you put together

0:36:10your own this is one of the great things

0:36:11about a post-apocalypse environment you

0:36:14get to build your own armor rightly

0:36:17that's true you get to build your own

0:36:19armor and it's a very it's a very sort

0:36:21of mad Mac see armor you're thrown

0:36:23together some some bits and bobs yeah it

0:36:27could be it could be made out of like

0:36:28old cans using a helmet made of a water

0:36:32bottle there's things hockey helmet is a

0:36:35good one oh my god John

0:36:37oh my god john i'm on apps ups lifted

0:36:39and it's got a pop-up will live chat

0:36:41from mike mike wants to say hello thank

0:36:43you for visiting can I help you in any

0:36:45way

0:36:45oh my kids like he's like paper

0:36:47clippings oh my God he's like i fear

0:36:50writing a document would you like some

0:36:51help

0:36:52I see you don't know whether to shit or

0:36:54go silent i seed yeah you're writing a

0:36:57letter of resignation

0:36:58hello i am closing out here because I

0:37:03want to talk to Mike and I don't like

0:37:04might be in there but no one's gonna

0:37:08close the window i'm still find me

0:37:10well he's there and he's like well gee

0:37:12all I wanted to do was help

0:37:14yeah that wasn't me that was kind of

0:37:16rude of me well it depends to Bailey did

0:37:18you did you allow them to leave cookies

0:37:20is my other problems i don't like

0:37:22talking about coupons I i had to deal

0:37:25with that the mall to but the whole

0:37:26separate issue and I just don't want to

0:37:28talk to people i don't want to know I

0:37:29don't want to know that this coupon is

0:37:31good today I don't want I don't want the

0:37:33coupon and then we're going to use the

0:37:34coupon I don't you talk to me about the

0:37:36coupon which you tell me you're gonna

0:37:37give me the coupon hang onto because I

0:37:39can still use it until februari 14 now

0:37:41do you have a barnes and noble

0:37:42membership card no I don't I don't

0:37:43well you know if we can sign up today

0:37:45and you can get a MasterCard oh yeah you

0:37:47know I just really what I want to do is

0:37:48be anywhere but talking about my coupon

0:37:50also a member of any loyalty

0:37:54organization

0:37:55yes which ones i technically i mean i

0:37:59have a safeway number but I don't use it

0:38:05much the only 1i use much is walgreens

0:38:07because it's on my watch which makes it

0:38:11easy to there twice a day there twice a

0:38:14day and it and it does sometimes it did

0:38:17I frequently when i'm buying something

0:38:18there will be something I am purchasing

0:38:19at walgreens that is at the rock bottom

0:38:21prices but i only get the discount if i

0:38:23use my watch

0:38:24yep yep and you is it a is it a is a

0:38:27bigger is a fob or is it to type in your

0:38:29number

0:38:30well you can also enter your phone

0:38:31number which I'm not don't love doing

0:38:33but no you hold your watch up in the

0:38:35scan it

0:38:36yeah I don't know this game you want to

0:38:37John so you'll be anything you want to

0:38:38do that you think you want to have a

0:38:39watch people scan when you go to

0:38:41walgreens if you'd like that some kind

0:38:42of bob baum so but you don't have an rei

0:38:45number i do I just don't I don't have it

0:38:48with me and I'm not gonna make them my

0:38:50phone somewhere i think even a fob

0:38:51basically okay i can tell you i can take

0:38:53a look at my wallet i can tell you i got

0:38:54i got us not to be creepy

0:38:56I got a San Francisco Zoo card good i

0:38:59belong to the zoo you upgrade that every

0:39:01year

0:39:02yes are we used to belong to the academy

0:39:05of sciences but that's super expensive

0:39:08how many there you and me yeah we have

0:39:10and I've been there now several times

0:39:11they have a shark

0:39:13they also all have a great aquarium they

0:39:14have a an albino alligator they're not

0:39:17allowed to take pictures up

0:39:18oh uh let's see we used to block that

0:39:20will degrade the paint on it over time

0:39:23absolutely that's how they get you i've

0:39:25also got I've got a library card that i

0:39:27use very very frequently good but also

0:39:30all i got several I've got several

0:39:32sandwich cards

0:39:34oh so you get punch cards for some

0:39:36calories in one place there's a place in

0:39:38my neighborhood where my daughter and I

0:39:39go couple three times a week and I've

0:39:42got five full cards at this point so I'm

0:39:44going to put the place out of business

0:39:45at some point

0:39:46yeah here you go I'm a party then I

0:39:50strongly sandwich with that with crab

0:39:52salad on it so there's not a single

0:39:54fucking I've this i'm just going to say

0:39:56this and that only we don't need to talk

0:39:57about it no it's not a single goddamn

0:39:59delhi in seattle model not a one

0:40:03there are places it is a diaspora John

0:40:05have they left wider Delhi's there are

0:40:07places that purport to be down as a god

0:40:10but whatever the study cute is like

0:40:12using mechanic is like a cute like

0:40:14DeLeon in like Eric where quotes kind of

0:40:16thing and now it's like it's like

0:40:17articles it's not cute at all it's like

0:40:21real authentic New York City delhi

0:40:24telling you walk angry angry tattoos

0:40:27guys with the sink stoppers in their

0:40:29ears

0:40:29yeah we're like this Kelly would do it

0:40:31new york-style you go there and you're

0:40:34like oh no one here has ever been to New

0:40:35York yeah because there is a new york

0:40:37style deli it is a wonderful thing and

0:40:39this is not it and loving it it's not in

0:40:42some simple ways that you could rectify

0:40:44in afternoon if you had ever been to New

0:40:46York or New at all but your whole foods

0:40:49pound-for-pound whole foods probably

0:40:51closer to New York Daily than a lot of

0:40:52that bullshit

0:40:53well I think it's true and you know

0:40:55Seattle you have a vibrant jewish

0:40:56community lived right in the center of

0:40:58town and now the the Orthodox community

0:41:03has moved south of town and they but

0:41:06somehow inexplicably they have not built

0:41:09any Delhi's down there and I think it's

0:41:12because Orthodox does something else

0:41:14they don't need they don't need to get a

0:41:17matzo soup in a neighborhood they just

0:41:20do I don't know where they're doing it

0:41:21out there his lungs there used to be a

0:41:24grocery store qfc ar-ar-ar premier brand

0:41:28Ryan I don't qfc with you there was a

0:41:31qfc that had a very large kosher section

0:41:34but then that qfc closed and the safeway

0:41:37picked up the slack and so the safeway

0:41:40if there's a safeway that has the that

0:41:44has a kosher section but it's also the

0:41:46safeway that is that that is the main

0:41:49safeway of the hood for lack of a better

0:41:52way of putting it and by that I mean

0:41:54everyone in the south end which is as

0:41:57you know America's most diverse ZIP code

0:42:00you live in the most no no don't be

0:42:02creepy about it but you live in the most

0:42:03diverse ZIP code in understates the

0:42:06americas most diverse ZIP codes so this

0:42:09seat is trying to be everything it's

0:42:12trying to be all things to all right and

0:42:14so you walk in and there's like 100 over

0:42:16here you got a Jewish deli over here

0:42:18they are no soup

0:42:19there's like a big I'll me not me

0:42:22there's a big pile that appear to just

0:42:24be menudo there's a bit like I don't

0:42:27know how you can have as many minutos as

0:42:29can be in a whole island at our safeway

0:42:32there is there's something like a deli

0:42:36which is mainly it's basically a step

0:42:37above a 7-eleven hot bar it's just

0:42:39basically uniformly golden brown food

0:42:41you know foods and like and like salads

0:42:43from a 5-gallon drum and frozen seafood

0:42:46fuck that are I'll we've been out here i

0:42:48believe it's called international oh

0:42:50really so there's there's everything you

0:42:53need to know about America today but

0:42:55they didn't say foreign but the internet

0:42:58if you want something if you like if you

0:43:00are from anywhere in the continent of

0:43:03asia here 11 feet that might interest

0:43:06yeah or with a world where your pace

0:43:11picante sauce

0:43:12Oh international sit with the rideau

0:43:16yeah I do not be so I have a I have a

0:43:22couple of so I have a little bit of a

0:43:24advantage here because I'm joins every

0:43:27program

0:43:28every loyalty program oh ok

0:43:31there they are all coded into her phone

0:43:34number which i happen to know

0:43:36Oh beep boop right so if somebody's like

0:43:38oh you want to buy cupcakes these are

0:43:40ninety-nine percent off but only if you

0:43:44have a loyalty card I bee-boop her

0:43:46you're also doing a little bit of

0:43:47culture jamming I like this bandage if

0:43:49there's any benefit to a crew she can

0:43:52accrue it right you can use those points

0:43:54i was i'm i'm paying in I mean you know

0:43:57like I'm giving back but I don't have to

0:44:00deal with it now i don't know if you

0:44:03know i don't know if you know the great

0:44:05Dan Savage

0:44:06dan Savage has a you know we all try to

0:44:10compensate for our our lifestyles on the

0:44:13road we all try to do we all have habits

0:44:14will have little quirks dan Savage a

0:44:17very interesting thing which is he keeps

0:44:20every single key card from every hotel

0:44:23he station and because damn tours

0:44:26extensively doing his savage love shows

0:44:29and various you know he's a he does

0:44:33speaking he goes out with the it gets

0:44:36better' campaign he's been all over the

0:44:38world and he has collected a week's

0:44:41collected not just a stack of key cards

0:44:43but he had to then move over and and go

0:44:46to a second stack i approve this hobby

0:44:48this is an interesting hobby

0:44:49yeah it's a so he keeps a very small

0:44:51group of things that right on his mantle

0:44:53and it's just too enormous stacks of key

0:44:56cards and as you know from living at

0:44:59some point in your life in a keycard

0:45:00economy as soon as you leave the hotel

0:45:03you no longer you can no longer look at

0:45:05the keycard and and know anything about

0:45:08when you stayed there what it was about

0:45:10like today is just another marriott it

0:45:13yeah exactly it's just like it this is

0:45:15meaningless it has no dates on its it

0:45:17tells me not them now maybe if I had a

0:45:19key card reader i could put it in and it

0:45:21would say something about me know all

0:45:23that it does but as far as i know and a

0:45:26lot of our just blank it but he's kept

0:45:29them all and I think that it's admirable

0:45:31and it's just an exhibit just it's up on

0:45:33the the mantle and it's like that i love

0:45:35that it's like my grandpa was used to

0:45:37grab a a book of matches and then put

0:45:39the big brandy snifter on top of the TV

0:45:40you

0:45:41like my dad had that exact collection

0:45:43and I inherited it

0:45:45oh now i have a giant urn of of nineteen

0:45:48seventies and sixties matchbooks which I

0:45:50cannot use because of course I chair you

0:45:53know like I treasure them

0:45:54yeah and so something like you got a

0:45:55match and I'm like nope sorry yeah

0:45:57you're amazing my ass

0:45:58yeah I have missed 11 and look at justin

0:46:02gets me from it's just mad when you've

0:46:05done all the time and now it never

0:46:06happened you're embracing my collapse

0:46:09you have a point particularly by a

0:46:1320,000 matters but yeah I got a match

0:46:16i also have a swivel dick you know

0:46:19remember your hearts cards are

0:46:21interesting because i'll bet you up that

0:46:22should they are

0:46:24I would be surprised if large hotel

0:46:27companies were not using that data for

0:46:29reasons

0:46:31oh yeah not that there's all kinds of

0:46:33interesting stuff that they could get

0:46:34out of that data I mean at the very

0:46:37least you can understand stuff I traffic

0:46:38patterns right you can understand that

0:46:40like oh you know this this person goes

0:46:42like this place where you gotta like run

0:46:44the card to get to the ice or whatever

0:46:45right

0:46:46just basic traffic patterns because that

0:46:48affects their margins are so fucking

0:46:50thin on those hotels and they're cutting

0:46:51corners all the time and just just think

0:46:54about the basic optimization that seems

0:46:56to me that the most basic optimization

0:46:58and probably one of the biggest cost

0:47:00centers is turning rooms over with

0:47:02housekeeping etc right right so like

0:47:05that i'm only checkout guy every time

0:47:07late check-out i always ask but you know

0:47:09i mean for example you know you know

0:47:11they recently a lot of the places have

0:47:13taken many bars out of the rooms do you

0:47:16know why I'm grateful because i hate

0:47:19those things

0:47:19well here's why they do it because turns

0:47:22out it was more costly to maintain them

0:47:25in the aggregate the money that they

0:47:27were making so good it wasn't even

0:47:29apparently was even worth the labor of

0:47:31that guy coming knocking on your door

0:47:321045 why the fuck are you check anymore

0:47:35but they're still here still there buddy

0:47:39so good all good what makes sense but

0:47:43you know there's a lot of data to clean

0:47:45now tell you another thing if you live

0:47:46in san francisco and you're like me get

0:47:48what's called a clipper card your

0:47:49clipper card clipper card is the thing

0:47:51that lets you basically put money on

0:47:54it and use it on all the different

0:47:55bahria transit things what a lot of

0:47:58people don't know is that you can go in

0:48:00and you're here history of like where

0:48:02you've traveled where you ran your card

0:48:04it's all in awe dog really i've done

0:48:08i've got to look at it because we have

0:48:10orca cards up here now because the work

0:48:12of course is the symbol of the Northwest

0:48:14yes and the orca card allows you to

0:48:17travel everywhere but there's a system

0:48:18apparently where you blew up your card

0:48:21and then i get i haven't read up on it

0:48:24but I guess when you get to where you're

0:48:26going you one blew up your card and I

0:48:28like on bart for example Bart's weird

0:48:31because I'd I still don't understand how

0:48:32this works or why this works i guess it

0:48:34makes sense because the nature of part

0:48:35is you pay for how many like how far you

0:48:38want how many fractions so you run bar

0:48:40you use part you with this is different

0:48:42from uni for people who don't know or

0:48:44care unit is the San Francisco one where

0:48:46if you're an honest citizen you run your

0:48:47card charges you two dollars and

0:48:49twenty-five cents and you can ride as

0:48:51much as you want for 90 minutes with

0:48:53with Bart you run your card and it

0:48:55doesn't charge it but then when you get

0:48:56off to get out of bart you have to run

0:48:58it again and that's when it takes the

0:49:00credit off your account right well sew

0:49:02up the way Seattle has decided their

0:49:04thing works is it's sort of like

0:49:06Amsterdam you get on and there's no

0:49:09turnstile you just go down and get on da

0:49:12touch and yeah if you if you are an

0:49:16honest person you blew up your car if

0:49:17you're not you just are a scofflaw and

0:49:20you ride it until some a security

0:49:24officer comes on and starts walking down

0:49:26the thing asking to see everybody's

0:49:27think and then he has a little handheld

0:49:30thing he blew up your car if it's if you

0:49:32haven't looped it then you're I don't

0:49:34know what you're in big trouble you

0:49:35gotta get somebody takes to get your

0:49:39Shakespeare but the thing about that

0:49:41this is true and amsterdam and it's true

0:49:43I'm i guess in the seattle thing is if

0:49:45you're watching and the train pulls in

0:49:47and you see because i think in Amsterdam

0:49:50at least a different they have their

0:49:52p.m.

0:49:53they have five enforcement officers if

0:49:55the trains that day have five doors and

0:49:59so the train pulls up in there and a

0:50:00person gets on each door oh IC but they

0:50:04don't check the people who are getting

0:50:06off at that stop

0:50:08also you just you just wait it out yeah

0:50:11youyou look for him and if you pull up

0:50:13to a train in there they're like all the

0:50:15all the scofflaws all like this is my

0:50:18stop and then they're free and so it's

0:50:21only grabbing the scofflaws who are

0:50:23paying attention i don't know how it

0:50:25works in Seattle because I've never seen

0:50:26one of these guys get on but I'll I'm a

0:50:29law-abiding citizen I want to do the

0:50:30thing I brought my card I feel terrible

0:50:32I feel terrible if for some reason like

0:50:34I so dumb the two things I sweat are the

0:50:37library and muni I feel so guilty

0:50:39because I have a car for me in a car for

0:50:40my daughter I pay full adult fare for my

0:50:42daughter because I can't be bothered to

0:50:43go and buy a kid's card downtown and so

0:50:46it's cost us five dollars each time we

0:50:47ride the train no big but sometimes you

0:50:49just know how kind and I did you wrong

0:50:51with you wrong well it's that means like

0:50:54we ran out of credit and I didn't

0:50:55realize it and i forgot to add more to

0:50:57it and I'm like God's I'm scurrying to

0:50:59the front of the train to go pay cash

0:51:01just like I feel so guilty when i do it

0:51:03no you don't want to be that guy but so

0:51:06I never on boob and I guess what that

0:51:08means is i pay full fare to go

0:51:10everywhere interesting it's like parking

0:51:13it's like you know if you leave your car

0:51:15there they just assume that yeah exactly

0:51:16yeah to assume you've been there the

0:51:18whole time you know i mean right to

0:51:19judge the whole month or pay the maximum

0:51:21charge yeah so so I haven't quite

0:51:25figured out the orca card and i'm

0:51:26guessing that if I went and looked at my

0:51:29history it would just say every time you

0:51:31get on the train you go all with the end

0:51:32interesting well there was a movement

0:51:34while back to go back to your membership

0:51:36cards there was a movement a while back

0:51:38people saying hey look you really have

0:51:40safeway parties where people would go

0:51:42and it's just an excuse for you might

0:51:44just be everybody a table at a bar but

0:51:46everybody would swap safeway cards

0:51:48why'd ya every time you meet a friend

0:51:51you swap safely cards

0:51:53why because the discount is identical it

0:51:56screws with their chronic graphics and

0:51:59data gather and I right culture jamming

0:52:02culture jam because the thing is you go

0:52:04all you know this is this

0:52:06this 22 year old woman is suddenly

0:52:10buying a lot more organic products and

0:52:13vitamins right uh-huh sure thing and so

0:52:18this is that means she's gonna have a

0:52:20baby and like so now you're into what's

0:52:22called chronic graphics which is once

0:52:23you're able to figure out how old

0:52:24somebody isn't what they do you can

0:52:26tailor many things to them and then at

0:52:28walgreens that give you a goddamn coupon

0:52:30coupons i get the coupons i get i buy i

0:52:33buy claritin and they gave me a coupon

0:52:34for claritin yeah sure people who bought

0:52:38this also bought Claire people who

0:52:40bought a clock also bought three clocks

0:52:43but here's what I'm worried about

0:52:45why would I want to start getting

0:52:46special offers for being pregnant

0:52:48here's the thing it's a lot like tour

0:52:51you gotta ask yourself I don't know what

0:52:52or is but if I did I would say the

0:52:54problem is the onion right towards the

0:52:56tour is the onion that's right Joe Biden

0:52:58and so the the thing is though you gotta

0:53:01ask yourself well you know yeah maybe

0:53:03it's going to cover up you know whatever

0:53:05it is that I'm doing but remember your

0:53:07IP is also being used for whatever

0:53:08somebody else is doing

0:53:09yeah exactly you get your hands right

0:53:12and you don't get that also you going to

0:53:14dance his guards it is my beautiful

0:53:16house

0:53:16that's right how did I get here ok so i

0:53:20get the culture jamming yes aspect of it

0:53:23I so basically culture jam jam style who

0:53:28the when i go to the supermarket

0:53:30basically the supermarket is receiving

0:53:32two pieces of information one is coming

0:53:35from an 82 year old woman who goes to

0:53:37the grocery store or the or the

0:53:40drugstore every single bank and buys

0:53:43like a completely random old lady set of

0:53:47things because my mom is a you know

0:53:49she's not not a normal old lady right

0:53:52she's buying like like I who knows what

0:53:54she box frankly and then I go go in

0:53:58there and typically the only things i

0:53:59buy anywhere are a chocolate cake edible

0:54:04and cream for my coffee right again half

0:54:08and half a piece of chocolate cake and

0:54:10so they've got to be like this little

0:54:13old lady first of all she's up at five

0:54:16yep because she's at the store of the

0:54:18day it opened the moment it opens to buy

0:54:20itouch Brett's I don't know what she's

0:54:23buying sure little little thing she

0:54:26likes to go

0:54:27she's like old-school she likes to go to

0:54:28the store every day kinda like you and

0:54:30then generally at eleven-forty-five 15

0:54:33minutes before the store closes she

0:54:36comes back and bi's chocolate cake and

0:54:38half-and-half yeah like what are we to

0:54:41make of this how do we tailor how do we

0:54:43tailor the circular you gotta yeah how

0:54:46to shape the algorithm right you think

0:54:50everyone just like pull the tape on that

0:54:51and go look and see what's going on

0:54:54it's all you know oh oh my god you're

0:54:57gonna love this

0:54:58my mom called a phone tree the other day

0:55:01she called the place

0:55:02oh you know what it was it was a the

0:55:04printer printer stop work ok and so she

0:55:06called the helpline and she made it

0:55:08through the phone tree and she put in

0:55:11her you know her home address or social

0:55:14security number

0:55:15not really she didn't put in your social

0:55:16security number I've told her not to do

0:55:18that but she put in the number on the

0:55:20printer and all this stuff and then

0:55:22finally she got somebody who had never

0:55:23heard of her and need her to tell them

0:55:25all that information has and then she

0:55:29talk to that person for 20 minutes

0:55:31person was like struggling to solve the

0:55:33problem and then they got cut off

0:55:35Oh God back right it's all the thing

0:55:39back and the first voice came on hello

0:55:42welcome to epson and she yelled into the

0:55:45phone i just spent 70 minutes talking to

0:55:49your person and I did you know and it

0:55:52according to her clicked immediately to

0:55:54an operator well and so she was we were

0:55:59driving in the car and she was she was

0:56:01thinking about what had happened because

0:56:04she felt like she had discovered a hack

0:56:07if you if you yell at the phone it will

0:56:12understand and it will take you

0:56:15immediately to an operator what she

0:56:17couldn't die either i've i've done this

0:56:19house on right now yeah because it used

0:56:22to be time so i cut off your story

0:56:23please go ahead

0:56:24well she couldn't decide she was toying

0:56:28with two options did the did the

0:56:31algorithm understand her words did the

0:56:36algorithm understand her tone I think

0:56:39it's purely volume try this next time

0:56:42this happens to you so used to be in the

0:56:43nineties if you're a smart cookie new

0:56:45knew a thing which is in an early days

0:56:48of phone trees everybody eventually

0:56:49learned if you just keep your kids 0

0:56:52over and over and over and eventually

0:56:53we'll go through well now remember your

0:56:55options have recently changed something

0:56:58I haven't done this in a while because I

0:56:59don't call that I can't be helped i

0:57:00won't call places anymore but now I

0:57:02don't say the word but if you just

0:57:04scream the f-word repeatedly whoa i

0:57:08don't know i'm suddenly so careful about

0:57:09this no way real green the f word over

0:57:12and over in your but it'll cut over to a

0:57:15operator justjust fun try it

0:57:16collapse and collapse and see if it

0:57:18works just for fun now you probably

0:57:20could be yelling tom bombadil and it

0:57:23would take you any way I don't know

0:57:24right well the door tom bombadil would

0:57:27show up which will be cool

0:57:30troublemaker John it's hard to know

0:57:34ok he may be the oldest living thing

0:57:37maybe the personification of of of

0:57:41nature

0:57:42oh my goodness but there is some

0:57:43suggestion that he's older than the

0:57:46Rings older than the oldest elves

0:57:50Wow and that he has chosen be pretty

0:57:54precedes the ring he precedes the be

0:57:57precedes at all room and he's chosen to

0:57:59live you know self constrained on this

0:58:02little plot on the town the oldest of

0:58:05the old the most ancient and so if i

0:58:10could conjure him and he'd show up here

0:58:12at my house and I do like Tom I'm god I

0:58:15can't find my computer

0:58:17and and tom bombadil he never seems to

0:58:21get bored right tom bombadil never see

0:58:23all the photos of him he looks like he's

0:58:25doing a little dance looks very jolly

0:58:27yeah he's you know what he's bored by

0:58:28the ring which has no effect on it

0:58:31oh interesting idea takes the ring BB is

0:58:35messes with it for a while you fools

0:58:37with it and he's like board gives it

0:58:40value the one thing that everybody else

0:58:43is obsessed with the he's bored by the

0:58:45register so i feel so here's my question

0:58:50dan Savage style do you think there is

0:58:52anyone listening to our program that has

0:58:54kept every fob like I'm other room keys

0:58:59know not everyone will like the room

0:59:02keys but it's not room keys it's fobs so

0:59:04like donkeys like when you go to a

0:59:05library in your library card you get a

0:59:07normal-sized like whatever that is for

0:59:09by to whatever standard credit

0:59:11card-sized goes into the wall trying to

0:59:13get that and then you get a little thing

0:59:14like your gym membership thing that's

0:59:16running a farm like the little guy yeah

0:59:18the little one that's supposed to go on

0:59:19your keychain

0:59:20yeah is there someone out there who just

0:59:23their own little peccadilloes they carry

0:59:27around the keyring with all of the

0:59:29little oh IC ok so you're saying is

0:59:32there anybody in our audience who gets

0:59:35the fob uses the fob keeps using the fob

0:59:38and they just get a big-ass keychain

0:59:39full of fobs keychain fob now that's one

0:59:42spin doctors record because you see

0:59:46right people that and I don't remember

0:59:48you know I've seen there's a key culture

0:59:50we've talked about this there's a table

0:59:51filter the the 900 keys on their key

0:59:54ring who um but there's got him now be a

0:59:58of pop

0:59:58of pop

1:00:00culture mhm right because i keep getting

1:00:02at and i'm not even talking about

1:00:04let's leave aside the ones that you get

1:00:06from walgreens that are a little paper

1:00:07thing on your keychain people keep

1:00:09giving me fobs that actually are the

1:00:12size and shape of a cookie like an

1:00:14actual like keyboards cookie-like

1:00:18keebler elf who are still younger than

1:00:22tom bombadil and they are they

1:00:26because they're elves not dwarves right

1:00:27are the dwarves little people don't want

1:00:31to talk about the ones that live in a

1:00:32tree when they come and they called an

1:00:34elves but they don't look like what

1:00:36we've come to believe elves look like

1:00:38no they're not like we're closer to what

1:00:40we would think i think is a tour right

1:00:43with the hat they have the Hat

1:00:45yeah LOL jobs i think of as being those

1:00:48elegant creatures that look like the guy

1:00:49from the matrix sure you know exactly

1:00:52where that outrageous that actress with

1:00:55the father and Aerosmith like isn't she

1:00:57an elf

1:00:58I think she's an elf yeah what about

1:01:00Claire Danes you know she had wings in

1:01:03that soul asylum video on Homeland

1:01:07I don't know that's a really good

1:01:08question remember she can't angel wings

1:01:10in that time that video

1:01:12oh no I stopped watching your errand

1:01:14arrow a Smith was after a while you know

1:01:17what's the one the one the be not Claire

1:01:20Danes but the but the one chance

1:01:24keep pushing yeah keep winching yeah I

1:01:26think she's an elf and then you get the

1:01:28name is Hugo Weaving he's the guy who is

1:01:29V for Vendetta

1:01:31there's also the agent the sunglasses in

1:01:33the jello movie do you know what he you

1:01:35know what I learned he was the v for

1:01:37vendetta i was i was very I was that it

1:01:41could have been a better guy because boy

1:01:42what an emotive performance you know

1:01:45what I heard I heard that was actually I

1:01:47heard that they attempted very briefly

1:01:49I'm just repeating something her on a

1:01:51podcast but I heard the attempted very

1:01:52briefly to have a stand him for him and

1:01:54having just do the voice but I've heard

1:01:56pretty much that whole movie is that

1:01:58actor in a mask

1:01:59yes and it's his performance is amazing

1:02:02i really like that movie

1:02:03yeah it would have to it would have to

1:02:04be him because you couldn't duplicate

1:02:06that kind of body

1:02:07language yeah that amount of sensitivity

1:02:10to to the physicality of that role of

1:02:13guys on the internet I i really think

1:02:15that's how they look

1:02:16Orson a white lady a lot of lot of the

1:02:20glove gracious gestures words

1:02:23yeah jukebox swords and sorcery these

1:02:26big sorcery who could be i've been to

1:02:30actual in oregon i know how much sorcery

1:02:32there is i thought what about that place

1:02:33in Arizona was called fredonia was no

1:02:36that place that's got like crystal

1:02:37energy what's called sits in sedona so

1:02:40that we don't you

1:02:41babilona Arizona public persona got to

1:02:43meet a stoner but this

1:02:46well there's that place north joshua

1:02:50tree with be a giant pyramid made out of

1:02:53copper tubing know what yeah I've been

1:02:56to Twentynine Palms well on your Marines

1:02:59we were talking about this which I

1:03:00talked about this with your family

1:03:02twentynine palms together nice

1:03:03aspiration gonna stay there now it's

1:03:05very interesting it's got a lot of

1:03:07military training and hippies

1:03:09yeah yeah um I how the trip go by the

1:03:13way they have fun at Joshua Tree

1:03:15I think everyone had fun i don't think

1:03:18they went to joshua tree that's partly

1:03:20why they had fun i think they stayed in

1:03:22Palm Springs the entire tunnel

1:03:25interesting and but I recently was

1:03:32looking at real estate in Joshua Tree

1:03:34okay and here's what's confusing

1:03:38here's what's confusing about buying a

1:03:39vacation home in joshua tree but they're

1:03:44there so you go you go on you go on your

1:03:47whatever your real estate your favorite

1:03:49real estate any interest in or an

1:03:52Anglophile yeah SAR has better worker

1:03:56stands yep and you go on there and you

1:04:00put in Joshua Tree a vacation home or

1:04:03joshua tree home real estate and up pops

1:04:07a lot of things and you can buy 50 acres

1:04:10in joshua tree for five thousand dollars

1:04:12or you can buy 50 acres in joshua tree

1:04:16for a million-dollar

1:04:17and location location location right i'm

1:04:20looking at 24 pictures of both plots of

1:04:23land bearing indistinguishable as far as

1:04:25I can see there's no water on either one

1:04:28of them there is nothing green on either

1:04:30one of them they look like the surface

1:04:32of Mars and as far as i can tell both of

1:04:35them have manufactured homes situated on

1:04:38them with enough parking for 40 vehicles

1:04:40and you go

1:04:42he helped I five-thousand-dollar ones

1:04:45that sound right but i don't know like I

1:04:49guess you who unlike almost every other

1:04:52place you really would need to go to

1:04:54Joshua Tree forget a local by the short

1:04:57hairs and walking out there and say why

1:04:59is this 15 thousand that one is a

1:05:01million and then they are going to say

1:05:04oh the five-thousand-dollar one is

1:05:06haunted by the ghosts of our ancestors

1:05:07and the million-dollar one is where its

1:05:11lower the ancestors had wriggled is good

1:05:13AT&T coverage there

1:05:14sure that might be a to write to get

1:05:17length if you're going to build a house

1:05:19in joshua tree like here in Seattle you

1:05:21buy a lot you get a bulldozer in there

1:05:23you flatten out the dirt

1:05:25maybe you dig a hole bill that yeah

1:05:28there you would have to use dynamite

1:05:31okay Ronnie yeah just like lobby right

1:05:34you would have to use dynamite just to

1:05:35clear a space for the bulldozer work so

1:05:39so I I got pretty close to abandoning

1:05:42the whole idea of a vacation home in

1:05:44joshua tree in one session one session i

1:05:48was confused in one session of looking i

1:05:51was confused enough that I felt like if

1:05:54i'm going to go to joshua tree for

1:05:55vacation i'm just going to Aaron BB a

1:05:57place you know you could learn more but

1:06:00I think you're talking about something

1:06:01that's just smart in general you know

1:06:02that old line about like if you don't

1:06:04know who that the asshole is it to you

1:06:06you don't have a customer is it to you

1:06:08if you don't know who the product is its

1:06:09you through is same here like you know

1:06:12in a case like that we like wait a

1:06:14minute will be aware of situations where

1:06:16you know less than any other person

1:06:18involved that can be a very costly

1:06:20decision

1:06:21yep oh sure right you don't want to be

1:06:24the one that's like you know what I got

1:06:26this all this seems this seems nice

1:06:28where bird nearest

1:06:29I mean there's a there's a grocery store

1:06:32and you like huh

1:06:33but you don't know about the haunting

1:06:34yeah what about the haunting you didn't

1:06:36think about the haunting could be like

1:06:38that place that the FBI keeps busting

1:06:40because they think all the terrorist

1:06:41cell phones are there to hear about well

1:06:44is that out in eastern oregon there was

1:06:46a place i forget where but there was

1:06:47this big mystery about this one location

1:06:50nobody can figure out why this this nice

1:06:53little normal hipster couple lived in

1:06:54this house and like all they kept

1:06:56getting raided by different places where

1:06:59they getting docked by fortran I don't

1:07:02know because bad feels like a good docs

1:07:04yeah this house this hipster house is

1:07:07full of terrors

1:07:08I'm just saying beware of real estate

1:07:10agents bearing gifts on saying well sure

1:07:14because you know there's another rule of

1:07:16thumb least him at least in these rainy

1:07:18con yeah don't buy the lowest house boy

1:07:22right do not buy the geographically

1:07:25lowest this is the joke John and it's

1:07:27not even that funny once you understand

1:07:28why it's a joke better because all you

1:07:30know what is it what is it tornadoes

1:07:32have against mobile home

1:07:33haha well what tornadoes having its

1:07:35mobile homes is they're built in the

1:07:37cheapest lowest-lying place in the

1:07:39entire community which is always wiped

1:07:40out by tornadoes hahaha whether hates

1:07:45poor people do people keep their

1:07:49stupidness near the stupid tornado I we

1:07:54had a similar thing in in Anchorage

1:07:56which is there's a there's a gap in the

1:07:58mountains outside of Anchorage that is

1:08:02basically a giant wind tunnel that

1:08:04funnels all wind tunnels the entire wind

1:08:08all the wind every bit of the wind it

1:08:11funnels down through this valley and the

1:08:13valley is pointed like a blunderbuss at

1:08:18a certain neighborhood of Seattle called

1:08:20Muldoon and Muldoon is a place where a

1:08:26where their trailer home parks and what

1:08:29the wind really gets cooking which it

1:08:31does every you know it's like a hundred

1:08:33years storm that happens every eight

1:08:35years

1:08:37the wind comes down that blunderbuss and

1:08:40the thing about it is it's the gap in

1:08:43the mountains is not straight on like if

1:08:45you're standing in Anchorage you look up

1:08:46the mountains you don't see a valley

1:08:49pointed at you

1:08:50okay it's coming at you at an angle so

1:08:53the mountains just looked like a kind of

1:08:55contiguous mountain range with lots of

1:08:59interesting sort of depth to it but

1:09:02somewhere up there there's a spot that

1:09:03if you look at it from the side

1:09:05wow you can see all the way up to where

1:09:07the wind limbs em this thing sheets that

1:09:10wind down there and we'll pick up a

1:09:12mobile home and just take it just take

1:09:15them or you'll never see it again as it

1:09:17tested negative things that come out of

1:09:19nowhere

1:09:20uh well they there so there are what

1:09:22they call sustained gusts and for me

1:09:25that seems to be like contradiction in

1:09:29terms of her a gust is like by

1:09:33definition not sustained sustained gusts

1:09:37which is like at a certain point you get

1:09:40these hurricane-force winds and they're

1:09:42just picking up trailer homes and they

1:09:44are destroying them like flapping them

1:09:46like matchsticks and also taking them up

1:09:49to the sky where you never to be seen

1:09:51again taking them up and the yapping

1:09:53dogs inside and gone forever

1:09:55yeah and it's the same thing like why do

1:09:57they keep why does the wind hate the

1:09:59trailer home like well those are the

1:10:01only things that get built in that area

1:10:03probably be for this very same reason

1:10:05huh

1:10:06tornado alley huh wind wind killer zone

1:10:12when he doesn't just persistent guess I

1:10:15was sharing some of your wisdom with my

1:10:16daughter just last week this thing you

1:10:19taught me about learning to look at the

1:10:21look at the land like where people

1:10:23decided to settle in like why they

1:10:24settled there and like notice how often

1:10:26it's like near a body of water that

1:10:28could be used for shipping or it's not

1:10:30on the top of a mountain because it

1:10:31would be hard to build a house there and

1:10:33this is a good place for a railroad I

1:10:35still think about that all the time

1:10:36yeah right to get you wired why why is

1:10:39it there on the river well because

1:10:40that's the place that you could cross

1:10:42the river and everywhere else on that

1:10:44River it would be much harder to cross

1:10:46it and also that's the place where the

1:10:49waters running fastest where we can

1:10:51the wheel and use it for power must have

1:10:53tried to teach me this in school you

1:10:56know

1:10:56no i don't i don't think so i don't

1:10:58think this is the type of business and

1:11:00friendship thing I feel like some some

1:11:02bleeding-heart liberal in the seventies

1:11:04must have occurred to them to go

1:11:06you ever wonder why Cincinnati's built

1:11:07on what we call the Ohio River hmm i

1:11:10don't think so i think they were so busy

1:11:12saying now what what year was the war of

1:11:16yeah right that they didn't you know

1:11:18they're just trying to take off boxes

1:11:20and they're not sitting there saying

1:11:21let's think about this let's go and take

1:11:24a look and see and and dream

1:11:27let's dream mm-hmm the hippie teachers

1:11:30didn't have the kind of the the

1:11:33wherewithal that's a set just didn't

1:11:35have permission to dream they didn't

1:11:37have permission to dream in fact their

1:11:39dreams their dreams did not become

1:11:41reality their dreams were thwarted and

1:11:43capped and I don't think I think what

1:11:45we've lost now is even the knowledge

1:11:47that there once were dream

1:11:48oh my goodness right nobody's going into

1:11:50the schools and say why is Cincinnati

1:11:52built on the Ohio River

1:11:54mar you know it wasn't called Cincinnati

1:11:57or the Ohio River at one point nope nope

1:11:59nope nope we what we got three naming

1:12:01rights agency park 4a state but you know

1:12:04when people are coming into a turf we're

1:12:06coming in and taking a territory away

1:12:08from somebody that might have been

1:12:09already there huh

1:12:11they're not taking away that you're not

1:12:12bouncing them off of their territory

1:12:14that they spent 900 years figuring out

1:12:16was the best and then building something

1:12:19a mile and a half away just to be

1:12:21different

1:12:21huh they're bouncing off the best land

1:12:24and then they're building their thing

1:12:25they're very nice

1:12:28well you know that's not they weren't

1:12:30thinking in terms of nice

1:12:31no but what's the big here let me

1:12:34quickly let me query yes it does matter

1:12:36yes what's the big diagonal street in

1:12:39Cincinnati that is a major thoroughfare

1:12:41but appears to not conform to the grid

1:12:44hell cheese I don't know I wasn't there

1:12:47when i was driving age we live in a

1:12:49northwest part of town mostly so I mean

1:12:52I've been downtown a lot we drive by

1:12:54downtown a lot but i'm not sure i don't

1:12:59think i know the answer to that any

1:13:00their version of market street basically

1:13:02yeah

1:13:02typically in a city there

1:13:04is a generally going to be 1 and this is

1:13:07you know starts in the old part of

1:13:09terror and one street that doesn't does

1:13:11not conform to the grid that's a major

1:13:13that's like--that's at the ER road

1:13:16yeah that's the indian trail ok right

1:13:18that's the one that that they built the

1:13:21road right along the indian trail

1:13:22because that was obviously the best

1:13:24route is likewise a drive right it's

1:13:27like Chief lacquer probably done right

1:13:29wacker drive here and then they build

1:13:32the town up around it and somebody comes

1:13:33along like we need to put this town into

1:13:35a grid but we can't do that to wacker

1:13:37road because hair hair wacker the

1:13:40original chief of this area

1:13:43yeah really original illinoisians yeah

1:13:45like all the buildings are on that road

1:13:48already but we're going to build a grid

1:13:49around it and then this roads going to

1:13:50be either the shortcut or the confounded

1:13:53inconsiderate road that would be market

1:13:56street for us

1:13:57yeah yeah yeah what is that what is that

1:13:59in Seattle you have one of those

1:14:02well so there's so Seattle is very

1:14:05confusingly built the following way one

1:14:10of the early so the early settlers came

1:14:13and they all they all claimed a sort of

1:14:17well a claim of a certain portion of

1:14:21what became downtown seattle and one

1:14:23person thought that the roads should be

1:14:25parallel to the water

1:14:27uh-huh which made sense right first

1:14:30avenue second Avenue third Avenue as

1:14:32they come up from the water because the

1:14:34water there was a a assure that was

1:14:36fairly even that short does not point

1:14:39north-south it is sort of northwest by

1:14:43southeast but this the streets downtown

1:14:45are parallel to that Coast that was one

1:14:48guy's idea and then another person

1:14:51thought that the street should be

1:14:52oriented true north south so he started

1:14:56building on his claim

1:14:58north south and then a third person

1:15:02thought that their roads should just be

1:15:05built according to their own with half

1:15:08way and there might even have been a

1:15:12fourth person that thought that the road

1:15:14should go according to the the ridgeline

1:15:17of the of the hill one he'll back and so

1:15:21when they finally get through

1:15:23everybody's got their own program here

1:15:24right

1:15:25and so when the city grew up enough that

1:15:28these areas needed to be connected

1:15:30nobody said alright we're going to tear

1:15:32down your whole neighborhood and rebuild

1:15:33it because this is dumb

1:15:35they just connected at all and so if you

1:15:38look at an overhead map of Seattle you

1:15:40will see that the streets go every which

1:15:44way it's like a it's like a broken

1:15:46window or if you gave LSD to a spider

1:15:50and I don't know if you've ever given

1:15:53alicito spider-boy i think i remember

1:15:56seeing photos of LSD spider webs in

1:16:00health class

1:16:01yeah well they were basically every one

1:16:02of them at Seattle em but the main so

1:16:07the main thoroughfares are a demi which

1:16:10goes all the way up and over and down

1:16:12and that of course is named after mr.

1:16:15Demi is area that was and then there's

1:16:18born which goes the other way

1:16:21cattywampus canoodle over this way and

1:16:25that's named after mr. Bourne and uh you

1:16:29know then you had James which is named

1:16:32after mr. James and yesler named after

1:16:35mr. yesler and there are consistent in

1:16:38the naming if not on the implementation

1:16:40right they're all going their own way

1:16:43they can go their own way hm

1:16:46good call there all day that's right and

1:16:49it makes it if you know what you're

1:16:51doing in seattle you can go from a demi

1:16:55to born to yesler and you get there get

1:17:00there a lot faster take Danny to born

1:17:02born to us left over

1:17:04you don't know what you're doing and you

1:17:05think that you just will drive down this

1:17:07one street that has a number and it will

1:17:09take you to somewhere else

1:17:11you're a fool because you will not get

1:17:14there get there right you'll end up

1:17:16going

1:17:18until somebody until somehow you get

1:17:21funneled down to born meant yesler but

1:17:24when I sort incurred averaged a chance

1:17:25right but i think you know like it in

1:17:29the New York City you're gonna get your

1:17:30Broadway that goes from together to from

1:17:33heather to do that either right

1:17:35Broadway's out batteries down

1:17:37that's right well yet the idea

1:17:41well it wasn't what I know from New York

1:17:43I've learned from musicals yeah the

1:17:44Bronx is up in the battery's down okay

1:17:46which one of my the year the bronx ok

1:17:49you know I went I went finally on a tour

1:17:52a self-guided tour of of the bronx

1:17:56proper oh nice trick just a couple

1:17:58months ago i was there i was given a

1:18:01tour of New York to my lady friend my

1:18:04millennial girlfriend down driving

1:18:05around and we were coming back from

1:18:07somewhere up north coming back from

1:18:10Poughkeepsie or something and i was like

1:18:12even down here over here off the freeway

1:18:15here you'll see the bronx and i started

1:18:17giving Korea a description of the

1:18:19history of the Bronx Bronx has gotta a

1:18:21long and storied history and fort apache

1:18:26there in the bronx fort apache the bronx

1:18:28and she said well I want to see the

1:18:32bronx and i was like oh well generally

1:18:34you don't see the bronx generally just

1:18:36refer to the bronx you point to the

1:18:38bronx on a map or you look at the Bronx

1:18:41as you go over it on the freeway and she

1:18:42said why I would prefer to get off the

1:18:45freeway and see the bronx i said i said

1:18:48this will be fun and we got down on the

1:18:50freeway and we drove around the bronx

1:18:52all night long and it was extraordinary

1:18:53really a lot going on in the bronx and

1:18:57you wouldn't know it by looking at it on

1:18:59a map

1:19:00you have to be down there on the streets

1:19:02of the Bronx looking at it and yeah so I

1:19:05learned a new thing

1:19:06well I learned two things listen to what

1:19:08my little girlfriend sense

1:19:10yeah and also then go to the Bronx

1:19:12definitely changing the way that wine is

1:19:14sold

1:19:15they also changing their also changing

1:19:17our idea of how we interact with the

1:19:19bronx right right then we have a lot to

1:19:21thank the Millennials social for

1:19:23millenniums yeah and and I'm learning

1:19:26every day every single day

1:19:28did you you look at it that way you look

1:19:29at it as a learning experience well you

1:19:32gotta look at it somehow and you know

1:19:36after four after 40 different people

1:19:38wrote me emails telling me not to use

1:19:39the term Bernie bro because it's racist

1:19:4120 bases against him Bernie bros tony

1:19:46hill by the way BTW they don't do not

1:19:49exist btdubs so it's it's a racist white

1:19:52people

1:19:52yeah Bernie bros who are who don't exist

1:19:54but its equivalent to races are all its

1:19:57equivalent to radio so that's everything

1:19:59now that hurts your feelings is

1:20:01equivalent to racism this is another

1:20:02thing that I learned from millenniums we

1:20:04switch this generations racism with

1:20:07soldiers crystals tonight

1:20:09hey never asks for another cup of my

1:20:12racism for Bernie Americans