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0:00:03hello hi John how's it going oh Maury
0:00:09rather things are good
0:00:12Oh smashing to hear pip-pip gallery as
0:00:16how does enjoy one skype calls with
0:00:19one's friends and swarming house
0:00:22yes lottery dollars corset membership
0:00:27has its privileges
0:00:29mm-hmm
0:00:32so you say mm oh I got some really
0:00:38really tiny espresso Boateng is Russell
0:00:41tank i love their first three records
0:00:43mm-hmm tanki yep yep yep everything's
0:00:48going pretty good pretty you pick up
0:00:50your books yet little gonna be one of
0:00:55those episodes I who knows what it is
0:00:58and you know what handling as you say
0:01:00what good my shows and everything that's
0:01:04in the show is in the show it's
0:01:06happening in the show that's how you
0:01:08know it's in the show that's precisely
0:01:11right receives the moment
0:01:14merly murderer man John right three keys
0:01:21watching you
0:01:22that's in the show that's in the show
0:01:24everything in the show it's part of the
0:01:26show
0:01:26that's how you pointed out the other day
0:01:28that every time you look at a picture of
0:01:30Halla notes
0:01:31Paul is on the left notes on the right
0:01:35ah this is true I've chinesse i have
0:01:38found a couple candid shots but pretty
0:01:41much every this goes all the way back to
0:01:44like 73 maybe Paul's going to told me
0:01:47this might be it might be a total lot of
0:01:50people about this
0:01:50yeah but yeah I know it's a it's always
0:01:53hall on our left
0:01:55yeah hall on our left to call on our
0:02:00left but is watching you
0:02:03man your Android they're really
0:02:06underrated we've gone over this heavily
0:02:08oh and you know what we can talk about
0:02:09holidays it's like time travel around
0:02:12like talking on
0:02:13what's going on in your world maritime
0:02:16in the woods
0:02:18it's been awhile now it's good it's good
0:02:21I yeah I got strong feelings
0:02:26yeah like a strong feelings about the
0:02:28walking dead but I also strong feelings
0:02:30about rei let's start with rei because I
0:02:34don't know anything about the walking
0:02:36dead so no I don't talk about let's not
0:02:37talk about time travel
0:02:39no no but I want to talk about re I've
0:02:41got to see I've got a history with rei
0:02:43and it all comes back to this basic
0:02:45point i go into that store for article
0:02:48of clothing or gear is going to have
0:02:52some kind of a fairly specific non
0:02:55adventure role in my life he wanted to
0:03:00wick away sweat
0:03:01well i mean i wouldn't mind that mhm
0:03:05they wanted to be lightweight but still
0:03:07durable yeah that would be nice
0:03:10I i would like it to be a modern
0:03:12technical a lot of cases but I think I
0:03:15told you the story the first time I
0:03:16remember ever buying something at rei I
0:03:19went in and it was buying a pair of what
0:03:21was then you remember in the late
0:03:22nineties there was a vogue for kind of
0:03:25like high-tech cargo pants like urban
0:03:28outfitter pants that were like a hundred
0:03:29fifty dollars and also we were still
0:03:31wearing we in the dot com biz we're
0:03:33still wearing like a hiking boot toward
0:03:35yeah I was kind of a look it's an
0:03:37evergreen look and was it that was a
0:03:40royal robbins brand paints I've had I
0:03:43have a royal robbins shirt from around
0:03:46that time that I still where it's been
0:03:48very durable and it works and
0:03:50lightweight durable lightweight for my
0:03:53active lifestyle right works with what
0:03:55so anyway anyway I mean this is just as
0:03:57she set the tone from rei problem which
0:03:59is I must say my problem not yours is
0:04:01problem but you never know
0:04:03well here's the thing i went in there
0:04:05and shop like a dude you know I tend to
0:04:09just kinda like I barely stopped moving
0:04:10the entire time i'm in the place i put
0:04:12on these shoes and then they offer me
0:04:14this device that they prefer a role it
0:04:17has this little device where you can
0:04:19like it emulates rock and what is so it
0:04:23looks kind of like an organic
0:04:26hasook like almost like the world's
0:04:28worst ottoman like if you have the lag
0:04:30might that was an ottoman an organic
0:04:32have shower organic cast cassocks
0:04:36cassock ass off half the Catholic is a
0:04:39dancer a Catholic as well as a kind of
0:04:42Russian in rhythm is a dancer is that
0:04:44right rhythm is gonna move you okay what
0:04:48about you can see there's a part of the
0:04:50rhythm nation
0:04:51I thought I was okay i was until miss
0:04:54Jackson said I was nasty
0:04:55wow that's right it all comes back to
0:04:57early man so they had this I tried them
0:04:59on and they're like the guys talking
0:05:01about things like torsion control so you
0:05:03got to have that and all this in the
0:05:05wide foot base and he offered me the
0:05:09organic asslick to try to tread upon the
0:05:12whole test performance characteristics
0:05:14of my new footwear and he said yeah what
0:05:18are you gonna wear you be doing this
0:05:19I'll never forget i said i was on a long
0:05:21lunch break from a dot-com job and I
0:05:23said I said we're gonna do it be said
0:05:25these are webpage making shoes i was he
0:05:29was not mad i mean i think he was maybe
0:05:33not exactly disappointed but like I let
0:05:35him down because I'm even then I was a
0:05:39middle-aged white guy had nothing much
0:05:40has changed but I don't think you're
0:05:41supposed to tear away the veil as
0:05:44abruptly as i did know you're supposed
0:05:47to say well you know I do like hiking a
0:05:49lot of weekends stop and get out there
0:05:51trying to get out and get my tool a box
0:05:54and clear my Subaru and I go to the
0:05:56front face of the mountain climb and you
0:06:01know gets no tell you the dogs drag it
0:06:04out there are you know I always try to
0:06:06get out there that's why I got super you
0:06:08know love is what makes a Subaru a
0:06:09Subaru well-loved and yeah Rockets love
0:06:14love and and you know what coexist all
0:06:17coexist
0:06:19yeah Mr exist oh I'm also yeah
0:06:22wagging less than barking 10 waiting on
0:06:25you like I'm part of the elizabeth
0:06:28warren wing of the bumper sticker
0:06:30community so so now fast-forward to
0:06:34today so we don't go to the mall
0:06:36very much but I want to visit some
0:06:37friends in corte madera and corte madera
0:06:39is where they have to really nice malls
0:06:42when we go to court in madera or pass by
0:06:44corte madera I make a point of saying to
0:06:46my to my ladies I say let's go to the
0:06:48mall because one thing they got a
0:06:49bookstore got a barnes and noble single
0:06:51book start by some books they also know
0:06:54what I'm started running on please today
0:06:56when you say let's go to the mall you
0:06:59already stipulated to really nice malls
0:07:01and pull the Madeira yeah look these up
0:07:04about you did everyone know which mall
0:07:07you're referring to or is everything
0:07:09we've got stonestown we've been to
0:07:11stonestown you and me that's near us
0:07:13that's that's kind of a sad mall and
0:07:15it's it's kind of on its way out but
0:07:17corte madera so there's two malls
0:07:19there's the village at corte madera and
0:07:24there is the town's there's the village
0:07:28at corte madera and then there's the
0:07:29town centre corte madera concern for
0:07:32having me a PM no it's not a sentra it's
0:07:35not at the atra it's a so in there
0:07:38across the highway from each other now
0:07:41my friends live like a stone's throw
0:07:43from this mall so we go to the mall
0:07:44because the barnes and noble and we go i
0:07:47go to the rei because i said to my wife
0:07:49I says I said I I'm very happy that is
0:07:52why I says Wi-Fi I'm very happy with my
0:07:56rain jacket that they got me for my
0:07:57birthday
0:07:58your two ago I love it love it i think
0:08:01it's a marmot it's got a liner it's
0:08:03really nice it's blue it's everything I
0:08:05could want in a jack and i think let's
0:08:06be honest I think we bought it at rei
0:08:08right it should it sheds rain but it was
0:08:11a waste what it's got performance
0:08:13characteristics and torsion control so
0:08:15now you know flash for this is some 16
0:08:1717 years since my first re-experience
0:08:20and I still feel like an utter fucking
0:08:23poser because here's me me is I want to
0:08:26go in there and I want to get some kind
0:08:28of a jacket that's not quite a rain
0:08:30jacket I want to be not quite a
0:08:32Pendleton shirt I want something that's
0:08:34like a jacket that a man would wear and
0:08:37not look like he's caused playing some
0:08:40role right now I'm not gonna make a big
0:08:43deal about this people should do the
0:08:44things that they like to do and have
0:08:45nothing against cosplay or large
0:08:47for fronting the face of the extreme
0:08:50mountain sure
0:08:51with that said I went in there and I
0:08:53looked at every single item they had in
0:08:55their jackets section I almost made us
0:08:57late for dinner because i was determined
0:08:58to find something and we're here
0:09:01it wasn't even a money thing it was
0:09:03because they're all kind of costly I was
0:09:04ready for that but there's gotta be
0:09:05something here I could wear where I
0:09:09don't look like I take yoga right where
0:09:11I don't look like a nothing again I
0:09:13think that's the yoga community co-exist
0:09:15but I want something that like looks
0:09:17like something I would wear and my
0:09:19cosplay my default cosplay is to look
0:09:23kind of like a lesbian janitor right
0:09:26kind of a carhartt Dickie look a lot of
0:09:28the time my sanity lesbians have the
0:09:31best haircuts ing or less i would cue
0:09:34ball pretty good here yet but you don't
0:09:37struggling i'm struggling that's a whole
0:09:39different issue i'm thinking about my
0:09:40friend Alex who is part of the tribe she
0:09:43goes to supercuts I'm thinking ago she
0:09:45has a great haircut i'm thinking of
0:09:46going to supercuts i don't know i don't
0:09:48know if i don't know how it's done
0:09:50apparently grass you just grows back but
0:09:53I've been following I've been following
0:09:54this phenomenon the lesbian haircut for
0:09:5627 years
0:09:58how do i do it what is like a house for
0:10:00it what is it up but anyway so there you
0:10:04are in your car hardened dickies looking
0:10:06for the perfect coat to communicate that
0:10:09you are you well to communicate honestly
0:10:12it's or the I don't see the opposite of
0:10:14what you do but i want to communicate as
0:10:15little as possible
0:10:16I at this point I want to just not be
0:10:19noticed and what I want to do it in a
0:10:22way that's comfortable here some of my
0:10:23points I would like it to be something
0:10:24that doesn't look too much like a rain
0:10:26jacket because I got a good rain jacket
0:10:28I need something for when it's maybe
0:10:30gonna rain but probably not i want to be
0:10:32warm but not polar i would like pockets
0:10:35i was i would like some pockets on it
0:10:37and one velcro closure i like a Velcro
0:10:41sleeve dingus
0:10:43I don't mind snaps in their little class
0:10:45here and i looked at one by a company i
0:10:47think it's called i want to say cool
0:10:49k uhl I'm not sure he had some nice
0:10:52things but they had kind of a yoga
0:10:54construction worker vibe
0:10:56and a little bit of a of they had a snap
0:11:00clasp which ones i say i'm not against
0:11:01they also have their own apparently rei
0:11:04has their own bespoke brand of super
0:11:07fancy it's called after its or something
0:11:09like that
0:11:09oh yeah and and those jackets are seven
0:11:12hundred fifty dollars which is a little
0:11:13bit out of my price range plus again
0:11:17we're back to the dot-com shoes I feel
0:11:18like I cannot live up to this clothing
0:11:20so anyway I walked out of there feeling
0:11:21kind of sad i went and looked at shirts
0:11:23because I can always use another long
0:11:25sleeve shirt i ended up buying nothing
0:11:26which is ok but but I you know I'm
0:11:29frustrated with myself I don't want to
0:11:30say I'm frustrated with rei because i'm
0:11:32pretty sure everybody goes in there is
0:11:33pretty extreme but I feel I feel I have
0:11:39trouble finding the clothes that are for
0:11:41me and now series you know they're not
0:11:43going to carry the Trump stuff anymore
0:11:45macy's they're not doing great honey I
0:11:47don't know where to turn and I'm trying
0:11:49not to just buy things on the internet
0:11:50because it seems weird
0:11:52well yes that's why am I frustrated with
0:11:55the walking dead a little bit and I do
0:11:56not find a jacket that's saying to me
0:11:59you have you've hit on the thing I'm
0:12:03afraid
0:12:03Merlin who you did on the real thing and
0:12:08this thing is the what I would describe
0:12:11as the decline and fall of a outdoor
0:12:15gear haha
0:12:19we've talked about is fine i think you
0:12:23had a part of decline with was there a
0:12:25time when you would you bet your life on
0:12:29this equipment there was a time when you
0:12:30can be hanging from MH we became there
0:12:34with your with your with your user
0:12:36jagermeister in your pocket dangling off
0:12:38a rock somewhere in Germany not even
0:12:40sure where we're feel like you're
0:12:41wearing borrowed feet and you're hanging
0:12:43on by a zipper there was a time hanging
0:12:46on by a zipper there was a there was a
0:12:50sweet spot right I feel like there's a
0:12:52sweet spot when things had things have
0:12:55progressed from wool and and wax cotton
0:13:00yeah there were new fabrics there were
0:13:03knew there was this new kind of science
0:13:07that we
0:13:08saying like oh we don't have to wear
0:13:10keeley hands and rubber every time we go
0:13:13out into the rain we can start to wear
0:13:15these lighter fabrics that breathe that
0:13:17wick away the sweat that have technology
0:13:20but those items were still built at the
0:13:27built in the fashion and of you know
0:13:30like it with the accoutrements of
0:13:33earlier coats so what what what it was I
0:13:38guess was years and years of time tested
0:13:41a apparel design by which i mean like
0:13:46the the actual shape of the garment and
0:13:48the situation of the pockets the shape
0:13:51of the hood who did the use of certain
0:13:54kinds of clasp zip heavy zippers you
0:13:58know huh
0:13:59but we have these new fabrics and it was
0:14:00and now you can have a jacket that was
0:14:02read holy cow
0:14:03yeah and the and the the wicking of
0:14:06course being a big thing I keep
0:14:07mentioning looking is important
0:14:09oh my god Wiccans important then someone
0:14:12you want those things like a like a
0:14:13microwave where you don't really realize
0:14:15how much you need it until you have it
0:14:16then you're going how did I ever do
0:14:17without waking how did I do
0:14:19although i know people that don't have a
0:14:20microwave if you can believe that so i
0:14:22made my first pee in a cup
0:14:23we should come back to that oh you did
0:14:25in fact that I'm but now i'm with you
0:14:28i'm thinking hear about also and you see
0:14:31no i'm not a ski person but I'm thinking
0:14:33about when ski gear changed at some
0:14:36point i'm guessing the seventies whereas
0:14:38like when I was a kid you get bundled up
0:14:39to go as we would say play in the snow
0:14:41you had all these layers and you look
0:14:44like Ralphie's brother and you know
0:14:45Christmas story and then they came out
0:14:47with these a-z colors in these more
0:14:49lightweight garments and but then things
0:14:54got very the to use a phrase I learned
0:14:56from my wife she refers to her clothes
0:14:58she wears to exercise what she does
0:15:00every day she calls it technical gear
0:15:02yeah that's right technical gear yeah
0:15:04there's where that that's where we got
0:15:06off the rails think so yeah because
0:15:08because as you say it's not just you
0:15:11you're not alone in sitting on your
0:15:13technical gear and more than writing
0:15:14software codes know
0:15:16no like one in a thousand people that
0:15:21buys a that buys this stuff that's
0:15:24advertised with a photograph of someone
0:15:26summiting machu picchu there is good to
0:15:34say somebody machu picchu yeah they've
0:15:36never summit much would be too nope and
0:15:39I and never will write what they but
0:15:42they but the gear you know it's like it
0:15:44like you say because you're you live in
0:15:46a climate you're gonna go outside is it
0:15:48gonna rain
0:15:49I don't know is it gonna you know like
0:15:51it could be 60 degrees when i walk out
0:15:53the door and by the time i get where I'm
0:15:55going to be 40 degrees and like hailing
0:15:58and I want something that doesn't that I
0:16:01don't like it I don't like it doe mhm
0:16:04partly they don't want to look like a
0:16:05dope like I get there and I'm not
0:16:07prepared you want to be prepared for
0:16:09anything even if you're not leaving that
0:16:10and it's just everything else in your
0:16:12house and they could totally happen this
0:16:14is climate is a very complicated she got
0:16:16butterfly wings i I'm with you on the
0:16:18seattle thing though in the sense that
0:16:21what while I think it's sweet that my
0:16:23daughter likes an umbrella i do not do
0:16:24an umbrella
0:16:25no no I'm gonna love above umbrellas I
0:16:28got it I got a hood and I got my
0:16:30personal will my willpower
0:16:32that's right what if you let's say you
0:16:34are let's say it's a walking dead
0:16:35scenario and all of a sudden your
0:16:37zombies everywhere and you've got it
0:16:39like I don't know what go walking
0:16:41amongst the top walking amongst the dead
0:16:44and presumably like hitting them with
0:16:45machetes sometimes and you got a
0:16:47souped-up truck i'm i'm just i'm
0:16:49guessing about this from seeing
0:16:52billboards in the New York subway
0:16:53yeah you're not you know how far off but
0:16:55so you're out there and it's a you're on
0:16:58this death trail and I gum guessing
0:17:00you've heard rumors that somewhere
0:17:03there's a community of people that have
0:17:05survived and I want way to present this
0:17:07you're headed there right
0:17:10meet up with the band it may just be a
0:17:12myth this is gonna be the one
0:17:14this is going to be the place may just
0:17:16be the myth that they're there but then
0:17:18you keep you have to keep going because
0:17:19what else
0:17:20why else can turn back mhm you can't
0:17:23just surrender you have to keep fighting
0:17:25are you gonna be carrying a fucking
0:17:26umbrella
0:17:28not unless it's a poison-tipped umbrella
0:17:30unless you replace your hands chopped
0:17:32off by the guy at the last immunity to
0:17:34save your life
0:17:35alright so you got your hand chopped off
0:17:37but somehow the poison blood of the
0:17:39zombies did not infect you yeah you
0:17:41haven't turned and now you can now you
0:17:43can take the umbrella to your hand and
0:17:45you become umbrella man's just like the
0:17:49guy the kennedy assassination
0:17:51why is he there you may be the zombie is
0:17:54coming anyway forget to bring an
0:17:55umbrella with a pretty sunny day to me
0:17:57haha maybe it's a situation where if you
0:18:00get infected with a cold the zombie gets
0:18:03right in your face but he can't smell
0:18:05you because they only want two kills
0:18:07well people em right now that's one just
0:18:10you know not to spoil anything but one
0:18:12common way to disguise yourself is to
0:18:14cover yourself with guts like zombie
0:18:16guts and then they have to one of them
0:18:17and you can you give some a poncho and
0:18:19you put zombie guts on you can walk
0:18:21around now you know again that poncho
0:18:23you would want something with wicking
0:18:24when performance characteristics you
0:18:27want machu picchu well and arc'teryx
0:18:29actually makes a zombie guts
0:18:31terex you know the name of course i do
0:18:34so arc'teryx is an rei grand they are a
0:18:36comedian super adventure tech brand em
0:18:39and they're getting Seattle like John
0:18:41Sherlock mm no no flu bug is longtime
0:18:45Seattle company arc'teryx eventually
0:18:47Canadian people things I know they are
0:18:49Jesus Christ check that out
0:18:51arc'teryx i think is made in bangladesh
0:18:54play and that was utilized for
0:18:57Bangladesh's you're gonna want some
0:18:59performance characteristics right and
0:19:01arc'teryx if you pick up one of those
0:19:03jackets that cost seven to 17 hundred
0:19:05dollars
0:19:06yeah it's like you become lighter the
0:19:09jacket is so light that that there's now
0:19:12like there's like a bounce in your step
0:19:14the the jacket is lifting you up off the
0:19:16earth it takes 20 pounds away but i
0:19:19cannot i cannot personally paid hundred
0:19:22dollars for a technical jacket so I have
0:19:26to go I have to longingly paw through
0:19:28those things i can't even justify the
0:19:31customer patagonia jacket which is only
0:19:33four hundred and fifty dollars
0:19:35yes to me it's like expensive wine where
0:19:38it's lost on me like you know it'sit's
0:19:41dropped bits like if i were to spend I
0:19:43mean you know you know it's a common
0:19:44thing people idiots like me say it's
0:19:46like you never seen a twenty dollar
0:19:47bottle of wine and a thousand-dollar
0:19:48bottle of wine a lot of money but like
0:19:50I'm not sure I would appreciate it that
0:19:53much more than say a forty dollar bottle
0:19:54of wine with my gender dollar jacket I
0:19:56go hey this is pretty nice like that
0:19:57since two-hundred-dollar jackets that
0:19:58are pretty nice right right but but you
0:20:01know 7702 seventeen hundred dollars is a
0:20:04lot for a particular it is and it's a
0:20:08lot for the thing about so i do not
0:20:10remember the first time I went to rei
0:20:12because i was going to rei when I was a
0:20:17little kit because my dad was like a
0:20:20very early member of rei and he knew all
0:20:24those people personally and like Jim
0:20:28Whittaker was I don't they weren't like
0:20:31pals but they were high five and white
0:20:33guys for sure like we would see jim
0:20:36whittaker and there'd be a lot of like
0:20:37high-five and joshan and so we were that
0:20:43was just they grew up in the rei kind of
0:20:45and then in Anchorage the rei was like
0:20:48it was almost a social place if you went
0:20:51there you were absolutely certain to run
0:20:54into one or seven people that you knew
0:20:56and you'd stand around to them and
0:20:59somebody was there for cross-country ski
0:21:01wax and somebody was there because they
0:21:03needed you know five new pairs of wool
0:21:06socks and somebody was there you know
0:21:08and i was there because i needed some
0:21:10kind of shoelaces or you know it was
0:21:12like where you went to sort of the
0:21:14general store and I and all my friends
0:21:19that was you know like keep it oh and
0:21:22they also have the they also had what
0:21:24was at one point called the Attic then
0:21:26it was the basement was the Attic again
0:21:28and re i had one of those nordstrom
0:21:31policies where you could return anything
0:21:33tho single-a Stefan clear-cut yeah you
0:21:37by somebody would buy a pair of
0:21:39rollerblades use them once break their
0:21:41arm bringing back was a pair of
0:21:43rollerblades that have been used once
0:21:45but it was like
0:21:4618 that cost so i mean in fact i got my
0:21:50first pair of rollerblades there is also
0:21:54my life
0:21:55ok alright alright it was the one pair
0:21:57of rollerblades I brand alright but I
0:21:59thought I was an early adopter i got
0:22:01these rollerblades pretty early on nice
0:22:03and and i enjoyed them but it was but it
0:22:06was very definitely a thing where it's
0:22:08like oh I am I going to use rollerplate
0:22:12yeah no I'm not is what it turned out
0:22:15but so anyway but there was absolutely
0:22:18was a moment where I started to feel
0:22:19alien in an rei and I and it was a
0:22:23devastating time because it's been such
0:22:25a like it was like I felt like such a
0:22:28family operation to a general store
0:22:30cooperative it is a co-op at heart right
0:22:33yeah
0:22:34oh it out and still is you know they
0:22:35still send me a check at the end of the
0:22:37year around for my small portion of the
0:22:42profits and then you take check down to
0:22:46rei and spend it on stuff you know you
0:22:48get yourself a new headlamp like I have
0:22:5140 headlamps in this house because they
0:22:53never die and it's a it's like an easy
0:22:56christmas present back in back in the
0:22:58day like there'd be a bin by the can be
0:23:01a bit of them by the cash register and
0:23:02you go you don't like a headlamp for
0:23:04Christmas John Roderick that's where
0:23:07they be in the stockings and I never the
0:23:09thing is I never said I've already got a
0:23:11headlamp I was always thrilled to get a
0:23:13headlamp I should get a headlamp I'm
0:23:14like that with flashlights I've spent
0:23:16more on flashlights then I should every
0:23:17time I see a flashlight that's nicer
0:23:19brighter better made the 1i already have
0:23:22i'll pick it up and it sits in the did
0:23:24the two digit range it's not a always a
0:23:27cheap thing but last year for example
0:23:29we're trying to find a cat fight back
0:23:31behind our house without going shot for
0:23:33nothing just it bae that they it's
0:23:36called it's called the glide it's got
0:23:38its got a nice lumen heavy heavy lumens
0:23:40light plus you can slide it open and
0:23:43then you get a get a little lamp
0:23:45oh sure you and then you can hang it on
0:23:47a tree
0:23:48sure but your campus they're badass
0:23:50magnet on the end so you stick on the
0:23:51refrigerator which my wife loves let me
0:23:53ask you this cazombi see light at night
0:23:56is that a threat or do they go to sleep
0:23:58at night or what are the only awaken
0:24:00right well no they are awake that there
0:24:04are some problems with science without
0:24:06you guys here to your townhouse at any
0:24:09point and close all the windows like
0:24:11yeah the the problem with the walkers is
0:24:14that especially when there's large
0:24:16numbers of them like they nuttin not
0:24:19there's not one of them that's going to
0:24:20figure out how to open your fence but
0:24:22when there's 1500 of them and they lean
0:24:24forward your fence goes down it's not
0:24:26that kind of situation will do they here
0:24:28and do here dancing and noise and use
0:24:31one another's bodies to climb up over
0:24:32big walls
0:24:33well as far as the dancing they
0:24:36definitely respond to sound they have
0:24:38used sound as a way to attract or dis
0:24:41distract Walker's at various times and
0:24:45that's what we can really you can screw
0:24:46somebody to play some live music there
0:24:48somebody want to get watered pro who
0:24:51yeah in your face
0:24:53I just walk toward you rules have
0:24:55changed my friend the rules have changed
0:24:56and you in the great in the in the
0:25:00Native American fashion from a herd of
0:25:03Walker's off a cliff
0:25:04oh let me style well that's that's that
0:25:08ends when I don't spoil it for you
0:25:10because you're saving these for prison
0:25:11and then Shakespeare chicken else after
0:25:14i presume i'll be in prison long enough
0:25:16to call for water please
0:25:17they tried that and you know it seems
0:25:21like there's always some smart talk that
0:25:22end up screwing things up at one point
0:25:24they were trying to like run mall into a
0:25:25pit that was you at one point but I took
0:25:29your topic be so sorry I for you and
0:25:32your family was a person if increasingly
0:25:34you felt you felt out of place there I
0:25:38felt this strange i would go in at
0:25:39wander around and what happened was all
0:25:42the all the technical fabrics I think
0:25:45aloud al1 also the the pressure to have
0:25:49new stuff every season it turned
0:25:54adventure gear into this thing that
0:25:57wasn't it was no longer in will exploit
0:26:03for I best I like what is a novel
0:26:08solution
0:26:09what's an inexpensive way to manufacture
0:26:11this while still maintaining
0:26:13the the sort of fun like false front
0:26:16that is super durable right its
0:26:19technical without being durable it's
0:26:23called they want i wanted to blow up on
0:26:26you they wanted to be they wanted to
0:26:28look like five years ago so you have to
0:26:31get a new one and i'm not saying this is
0:26:33this is rei generating this from within
0:26:36their cooperative heart I think it's
0:26:38just the it's just a pandemic of outdoor
0:26:41gear and and I'll tell you something I
0:26:44heard now this is third hand but i
0:26:46remember i had a friend of a friend and
0:26:49I heard from a friend of a friend who
0:26:51worked at the limited limited the the
0:26:53younger girls clothing store that was so
0:26:55popular community all things interesting
0:26:58yeah interesting uh that you know
0:27:01limited at the time anyway famously had
0:27:03a very permissive return policy which
0:27:07would allow you to bring in pretty much
0:27:09anything and exchange it I don't think
0:27:12they would give you cash but he would do
0:27:14an exchange now there's several
0:27:15interesting points here interesting
0:27:17point is I mean maybe setting aside the
0:27:19esprit stuff stuff that was very
0:27:20inexpensive to make and they charge
0:27:23quite a markup on it so they there was
0:27:25some wiggle room to be able to afford
0:27:26exchanges probably good to the wiggle
0:27:29that's how they get you but then here
0:27:31the other thing is what they discovered
0:27:32was turns out people who come in to do
0:27:34their free exchange haha put it to the
0:27:36man and a bunch of stuff along with it
0:27:38haha to the music goes around pretty
0:27:41soon everybody's wearing nothing but
0:27:42limited you're basically turning limited
0:27:44or wearing limited all the time right
0:27:46because they can't because yeah right
0:27:48there in there in the whole tell your
0:27:50underwater as they say I used to take my
0:27:52shoes back to the north from and get a
0:27:57new pair of shoes and then wear them out
0:27:58and then taken back to nordstrom because
0:27:59that I was poor and I was you know and I
0:28:02still there i was poor but I still felt
0:28:04like I shop at nordstrom yeah and I
0:28:07brought I finally brought a parent to a
0:28:09guy and he was a shoe salesman whose
0:28:11about my age and I was like yeah these
0:28:14shoes i just feel like my time to take
0:28:17him back you know what I'm saying and he
0:28:19looked at me was like I think you've
0:28:21gotten a lot
0:28:22you sound of these shoes don't you
0:28:23interested and he shamed me into taking
0:28:27those shoes and walk me out the door on
0:28:30and I was like oh my god that the the
0:28:33salad days are over
0:28:35uh-huh he didn't say no he just employed
0:28:39something much more effective than no
0:28:41yeah you can get you thinking
0:28:43yeah he knowed me in a way that I never
0:28:45did it again like I don't take anything
0:28:48back now if i buy something and it
0:28:50doesn't work for me I take it to the
0:28:52thrift store
0:28:53I let me ask you this if you're going to
0:28:57buy a house will have I wonder why I've
0:28:59never heard of this before but yeah if I
0:29:01were building a giant a McMansion right
0:29:04now where i was designing it instead of
0:29:06a panic room I would build a wiggle room
0:29:09why has nobody done this what has never
0:29:11even heard of the idea for a little room
0:29:13and I'm fascinated by a build a pumping
0:29:15wiggle room and then it first of all it
0:29:18gives you wiggle room says it says it
0:29:20right there on the 10 right and then who
0:29:22doesn't want a room where thats
0:29:23expressly the point of it right going
0:29:26there wiggle i love this idea
0:29:29yeah you got kids like God you kids
0:29:31going to wiggle wiggle wiggle room and
0:29:33wouldn't have to be that big just has
0:29:34been big enough to wiggle in well yeah
0:29:36but you want to be you'd want to be big
0:29:38enough for four you know if you needed
0:29:40wiggle room but also write on friday
0:29:42night you and the lady looking for
0:29:44something you know looking for a little
0:29:45bit of a strange go down to the wiggle
0:29:47room
0:29:47oh man get your will put the tarp on the
0:29:50floor so what I'm saying is why is that
0:29:53not why why are people not just in every
0:29:56month here but why are you on boards you
0:29:59should get more boards you can help so
0:30:00many people with these ideas
0:30:02I mean you're pioneering this idea you
0:30:03want you want to get the monk holes in
0:30:05their you want to escape valves get
0:30:07secret walls of wiggle room
0:30:08I mean this is you this is just money on
0:30:11the table
0:30:12mommy on the day all so we suggest let
0:30:18me suggest a thing to you which is that
0:30:20within the sailing community
0:30:24which is it so sorry i didn't thing
0:30:26where they went from just sort of
0:30:28mountain alpine they expanded at 1.2
0:30:32prosumer goods right and this happened
0:30:36Eddie Bauer to eddie bauer became more
0:30:39and more prosumer until they just
0:30:41presumed that way right out of the pro
0:30:42and they just became Sumer rei still has
0:30:47enough pro you call him prosumer but
0:30:50there's a lot of sooner we get in there
0:30:52pro but within the sailing community
0:30:55which is you know a forgotten side of
0:30:59the adventure sport community you know
0:31:01that they go on some gnarly adventures
0:31:03one might say even getting on a sailboat
0:31:06begins an adventure because the cell
0:31:10could sink in anytime and then where are
0:31:11you
0:31:12that's true but if you had a shipping
0:31:14container in the middle of the South
0:31:16Indian and motion putting idea what are
0:31:19you gonna do you're gonna you're gonna
0:31:20try and build your boat back but that's
0:31:22not gonna work on my ladies from sailing
0:31:24people ya say we are very very nautical
0:31:27my mom or my brothers-in-law installs
0:31:31high-end electronics into high-end
0:31:33seacraft so that could be your
0:31:36navigation system you know communication
0:31:38system often enough let's be honest it's
0:31:40an entertainment system but that's what
0:31:42he does and he's doing quite well with
0:31:43it is very nautical now when I met my
0:31:45wife she had was a helly hansen was at
0:31:47the name of it
0:31:48ya better pronounced helium civilians
0:31:51all ok larger see but that's that's also
0:31:53how they get you is a secret
0:31:54annunciation but she said she had a
0:31:57sailing jacket that she had inherited
0:31:59from her much-loved not inherited well
0:32:02as before he passed away but anyway she
0:32:03got her dad's old jacket which is in
0:32:05beautiful condition and that was really
0:32:07cool as ever let go to giant rain jacket
0:32:10and had a little thing we could like
0:32:11string a rope through it how cool is
0:32:13that
0:32:14yep get that you have really learned
0:32:16shirt on Mariner is a spoon tailored
0:32:20shirt
0:32:21yes it is spoon good grab good grab sits
0:32:24in that shirt red shirt it was fitted
0:32:27fitted shirt fitted shirt they don't
0:32:30make them like my dad's old furniture
0:32:31nope but so within so sailing is the
0:32:35place where I have found
0:32:37there is still just take you away it
0:32:39takes me but it does sailing takes me
0:32:44away
0:32:44that's not a firearm paradise at least
0:32:46it's not for me and the wind it's listen
0:32:49when you see the Southern Cross Merlin
0:32:51yeah that's when you know
0:32:53yeah about how many times i have right
0:32:56yeah how have surprised the roads must a
0:33:00man walk down before he is a before he's
0:33:04a bad man behind blue yeah before he's
0:33:08reluctant to travel because it is a
0:33:09violation
0:33:10anyway I think about riding fences
0:33:13alcohol yeah so you go to you so you put
0:33:18in you put into the googs just something
0:33:22simple
0:33:23ok i'm out like sailing clothes sailing
0:33:27ok and you get this you get websites
0:33:32like apps limited VIP absolute
0:33:35absolutely west coast sailing sailing
0:33:38pro shop and then you go in then you
0:33:41start looking at jackets in there and
0:33:43almost some they're all these brands you
0:33:44never heard of you can and you go
0:33:47there's other brands that I never heard
0:33:50of in what I would consider to be the
0:33:52Outdoor Adventure Gear world
0:33:54wow there's this this this is these are
0:33:56some unusual designs because you're out
0:33:59there sailing and you're trying to you
0:34:01know when you come into the harbor
0:34:03you've got a whole different group of
0:34:05people that you're trying to communicate
0:34:06with bilo you're gonna rep different
0:34:10you're going to wrap a very different
0:34:11thing and if you're if you i'm sure
0:34:13there are people coming into Harbor in a
0:34:15in an arc teryx mhm but the sailors no
0:34:19oh you're trying to get trying to get
0:34:22away with the double duty here writing
0:34:24your work or you recently skiing like I
0:34:28wasn't skiing i was just sailing and
0:34:30that's why I'm wearing this Gil or Zeke
0:34:34or henri lloyd outfit is it a little bit
0:34:38like wearing a football jersey to a
0:34:40baseball game
0:34:40well it depends like how much do you
0:34:44want to
0:34:44how much do you want to culture jam how
0:34:46much are you see if you're not actually
0:34:48playing the game
0:34:49professionally and kisses that's enough
0:34:51that much but in San Francisco you show
0:34:54up in a in a jacket that that it is like
0:34:58sailing identifying them if you sailing
0:35:01identify yeah
0:35:03ninety-nine percent of the people out in
0:35:05there who are just two are just the
0:35:07cotan just writing code yes for
0:35:10computers and they're not gonna know the
0:35:12difference
0:35:12I gotta be honest with you I i said i
0:35:14don't recognize I don't read a lot of
0:35:16these as nautical where this is cool
0:35:19this is one here the Gilo as to ceiling
0:35:21jacket looks kinda like the colorful
0:35:22character Deadpool there's a lot of you
0:35:25get Nantucket shorts i guess that gives
0:35:27you like waterproof but but now honestly
0:35:29if I saw a lot of this would not
0:35:31necessarily read as a sailing gear to me
0:35:33right and there's looking just at the
0:35:36first pulldown menu
0:35:38hmmm you see you see things like shirts
0:35:41and rash guards rashguards now I don't
0:35:44think I don't think Aria Aria has a
0:35:46separate category for rash guards so and
0:35:49then over here this is an interesting
0:35:51combination sunglasses hats and me pads
0:35:55hmm like those are grouped together
0:35:57through the sunglasses have to me pants
0:36:00just keep the sleepwalking get to wear
0:36:01knee pads just FYI wilshire because
0:36:04you're in combat mode right and can hang
0:36:07on tires
0:36:08well you put yeah right you put together
0:36:10your own this is one of the great things
0:36:11about a post-apocalypse environment you
0:36:14get to build your own armor rightly
0:36:17that's true you get to build your own
0:36:19armor and it's a very it's a very sort
0:36:21of mad Mac see armor you're thrown
0:36:23together some some bits and bobs yeah it
0:36:27could be it could be made out of like
0:36:28old cans using a helmet made of a water
0:36:32bottle there's things hockey helmet is a
0:36:35good one oh my god John
0:36:37oh my god john i'm on apps ups lifted
0:36:39and it's got a pop-up will live chat
0:36:41from mike mike wants to say hello thank
0:36:43you for visiting can I help you in any
0:36:45way
0:36:45oh my kids like he's like paper
0:36:47clippings oh my God he's like i fear
0:36:50writing a document would you like some
0:36:51help
0:36:52I see you don't know whether to shit or
0:36:54go silent i seed yeah you're writing a
0:36:57letter of resignation
0:36:58hello i am closing out here because I
0:37:03want to talk to Mike and I don't like
0:37:04might be in there but no one's gonna
0:37:08close the window i'm still find me
0:37:10well he's there and he's like well gee
0:37:12all I wanted to do was help
0:37:14yeah that wasn't me that was kind of
0:37:16rude of me well it depends to Bailey did
0:37:18you did you allow them to leave cookies
0:37:20is my other problems i don't like
0:37:22talking about coupons I i had to deal
0:37:25with that the mall to but the whole
0:37:26separate issue and I just don't want to
0:37:28talk to people i don't want to know I
0:37:29don't want to know that this coupon is
0:37:31good today I don't want I don't want the
0:37:33coupon and then we're going to use the
0:37:34coupon I don't you talk to me about the
0:37:36coupon which you tell me you're gonna
0:37:37give me the coupon hang onto because I
0:37:39can still use it until februari 14 now
0:37:41do you have a barnes and noble
0:37:42membership card no I don't I don't
0:37:43well you know if we can sign up today
0:37:45and you can get a MasterCard oh yeah you
0:37:47know I just really what I want to do is
0:37:48be anywhere but talking about my coupon
0:37:50also a member of any loyalty
0:37:54organization
0:37:55yes which ones i technically i mean i
0:37:59have a safeway number but I don't use it
0:38:05much the only 1i use much is walgreens
0:38:07because it's on my watch which makes it
0:38:11easy to there twice a day there twice a
0:38:14day and it and it does sometimes it did
0:38:17I frequently when i'm buying something
0:38:18there will be something I am purchasing
0:38:19at walgreens that is at the rock bottom
0:38:21prices but i only get the discount if i
0:38:23use my watch
0:38:24yep yep and you is it a is it a is a
0:38:27bigger is a fob or is it to type in your
0:38:29number
0:38:30well you can also enter your phone
0:38:31number which I'm not don't love doing
0:38:33but no you hold your watch up in the
0:38:35scan it
0:38:36yeah I don't know this game you want to
0:38:37John so you'll be anything you want to
0:38:38do that you think you want to have a
0:38:39watch people scan when you go to
0:38:41walgreens if you'd like that some kind
0:38:42of bob baum so but you don't have an rei
0:38:45number i do I just don't I don't have it
0:38:48with me and I'm not gonna make them my
0:38:50phone somewhere i think even a fob
0:38:51basically okay i can tell you i can take
0:38:53a look at my wallet i can tell you i got
0:38:54i got us not to be creepy
0:38:56I got a San Francisco Zoo card good i
0:38:59belong to the zoo you upgrade that every
0:39:01year
0:39:02yes are we used to belong to the academy
0:39:05of sciences but that's super expensive
0:39:08how many there you and me yeah we have
0:39:10and I've been there now several times
0:39:11they have a shark
0:39:13they also all have a great aquarium they
0:39:14have a an albino alligator they're not
0:39:17allowed to take pictures up
0:39:18oh uh let's see we used to block that
0:39:20will degrade the paint on it over time
0:39:23absolutely that's how they get you i've
0:39:25also got I've got a library card that i
0:39:27use very very frequently good but also
0:39:30all i got several I've got several
0:39:32sandwich cards
0:39:34oh so you get punch cards for some
0:39:36calories in one place there's a place in
0:39:38my neighborhood where my daughter and I
0:39:39go couple three times a week and I've
0:39:42got five full cards at this point so I'm
0:39:44going to put the place out of business
0:39:45at some point
0:39:46yeah here you go I'm a party then I
0:39:50strongly sandwich with that with crab
0:39:52salad on it so there's not a single
0:39:54fucking I've this i'm just going to say
0:39:56this and that only we don't need to talk
0:39:57about it no it's not a single goddamn
0:39:59delhi in seattle model not a one
0:40:03there are places it is a diaspora John
0:40:05have they left wider Delhi's there are
0:40:07places that purport to be down as a god
0:40:10but whatever the study cute is like
0:40:12using mechanic is like a cute like
0:40:14DeLeon in like Eric where quotes kind of
0:40:16thing and now it's like it's like
0:40:17articles it's not cute at all it's like
0:40:21real authentic New York City delhi
0:40:24telling you walk angry angry tattoos
0:40:27guys with the sink stoppers in their
0:40:29ears
0:40:29yeah we're like this Kelly would do it
0:40:31new york-style you go there and you're
0:40:34like oh no one here has ever been to New
0:40:35York yeah because there is a new york
0:40:37style deli it is a wonderful thing and
0:40:39this is not it and loving it it's not in
0:40:42some simple ways that you could rectify
0:40:44in afternoon if you had ever been to New
0:40:46York or New at all but your whole foods
0:40:49pound-for-pound whole foods probably
0:40:51closer to New York Daily than a lot of
0:40:52that bullshit
0:40:53well I think it's true and you know
0:40:55Seattle you have a vibrant jewish
0:40:56community lived right in the center of
0:40:58town and now the the Orthodox community
0:41:03has moved south of town and they but
0:41:06somehow inexplicably they have not built
0:41:09any Delhi's down there and I think it's
0:41:12because Orthodox does something else
0:41:14they don't need they don't need to get a
0:41:17matzo soup in a neighborhood they just
0:41:20do I don't know where they're doing it
0:41:21out there his lungs there used to be a
0:41:24grocery store qfc ar-ar-ar premier brand
0:41:28Ryan I don't qfc with you there was a
0:41:31qfc that had a very large kosher section
0:41:34but then that qfc closed and the safeway
0:41:37picked up the slack and so the safeway
0:41:40if there's a safeway that has the that
0:41:44has a kosher section but it's also the
0:41:46safeway that is that that is the main
0:41:49safeway of the hood for lack of a better
0:41:52way of putting it and by that I mean
0:41:54everyone in the south end which is as
0:41:57you know America's most diverse ZIP code
0:42:00you live in the most no no don't be
0:42:02creepy about it but you live in the most
0:42:03diverse ZIP code in understates the
0:42:06americas most diverse ZIP codes so this
0:42:09seat is trying to be everything it's
0:42:12trying to be all things to all right and
0:42:14so you walk in and there's like 100 over
0:42:16here you got a Jewish deli over here
0:42:18they are no soup
0:42:19there's like a big I'll me not me
0:42:22there's a big pile that appear to just
0:42:24be menudo there's a bit like I don't
0:42:27know how you can have as many minutos as
0:42:29can be in a whole island at our safeway
0:42:32there is there's something like a deli
0:42:36which is mainly it's basically a step
0:42:37above a 7-eleven hot bar it's just
0:42:39basically uniformly golden brown food
0:42:41you know foods and like and like salads
0:42:43from a 5-gallon drum and frozen seafood
0:42:46fuck that are I'll we've been out here i
0:42:48believe it's called international oh
0:42:50really so there's there's everything you
0:42:53need to know about America today but
0:42:55they didn't say foreign but the internet
0:42:58if you want something if you like if you
0:43:00are from anywhere in the continent of
0:43:03asia here 11 feet that might interest
0:43:06yeah or with a world where your pace
0:43:11picante sauce
0:43:12Oh international sit with the rideau
0:43:16yeah I do not be so I have a I have a
0:43:22couple of so I have a little bit of a
0:43:24advantage here because I'm joins every
0:43:27program
0:43:28every loyalty program oh ok
0:43:31there they are all coded into her phone
0:43:34number which i happen to know
0:43:36Oh beep boop right so if somebody's like
0:43:38oh you want to buy cupcakes these are
0:43:40ninety-nine percent off but only if you
0:43:44have a loyalty card I bee-boop her
0:43:46you're also doing a little bit of
0:43:47culture jamming I like this bandage if
0:43:49there's any benefit to a crew she can
0:43:52accrue it right you can use those points
0:43:54i was i'm i'm paying in I mean you know
0:43:57like I'm giving back but I don't have to
0:44:00deal with it now i don't know if you
0:44:03know i don't know if you know the great
0:44:05Dan Savage
0:44:06dan Savage has a you know we all try to
0:44:10compensate for our our lifestyles on the
0:44:13road we all try to do we all have habits
0:44:14will have little quirks dan Savage a
0:44:17very interesting thing which is he keeps
0:44:20every single key card from every hotel
0:44:23he station and because damn tours
0:44:26extensively doing his savage love shows
0:44:29and various you know he's a he does
0:44:33speaking he goes out with the it gets
0:44:36better' campaign he's been all over the
0:44:38world and he has collected a week's
0:44:41collected not just a stack of key cards
0:44:43but he had to then move over and and go
0:44:46to a second stack i approve this hobby
0:44:48this is an interesting hobby
0:44:49yeah it's a so he keeps a very small
0:44:51group of things that right on his mantle
0:44:53and it's just too enormous stacks of key
0:44:56cards and as you know from living at
0:44:59some point in your life in a keycard
0:45:00economy as soon as you leave the hotel
0:45:03you no longer you can no longer look at
0:45:05the keycard and and know anything about
0:45:08when you stayed there what it was about
0:45:10like today is just another marriott it
0:45:13yeah exactly it's just like it this is
0:45:15meaningless it has no dates on its it
0:45:17tells me not them now maybe if I had a
0:45:19key card reader i could put it in and it
0:45:21would say something about me know all
0:45:23that it does but as far as i know and a
0:45:26lot of our just blank it but he's kept
0:45:29them all and I think that it's admirable
0:45:31and it's just an exhibit just it's up on
0:45:33the the mantle and it's like that i love
0:45:35that it's like my grandpa was used to
0:45:37grab a a book of matches and then put
0:45:39the big brandy snifter on top of the TV
0:45:40you
0:45:41like my dad had that exact collection
0:45:43and I inherited it
0:45:45oh now i have a giant urn of of nineteen
0:45:48seventies and sixties matchbooks which I
0:45:50cannot use because of course I chair you
0:45:53know like I treasure them
0:45:54yeah and so something like you got a
0:45:55match and I'm like nope sorry yeah
0:45:57you're amazing my ass
0:45:58yeah I have missed 11 and look at justin
0:46:02gets me from it's just mad when you've
0:46:05done all the time and now it never
0:46:06happened you're embracing my collapse
0:46:09you have a point particularly by a
0:46:1320,000 matters but yeah I got a match
0:46:16i also have a swivel dick you know
0:46:19remember your hearts cards are
0:46:21interesting because i'll bet you up that
0:46:22should they are
0:46:24I would be surprised if large hotel
0:46:27companies were not using that data for
0:46:29reasons
0:46:31oh yeah not that there's all kinds of
0:46:33interesting stuff that they could get
0:46:34out of that data I mean at the very
0:46:37least you can understand stuff I traffic
0:46:38patterns right you can understand that
0:46:40like oh you know this this person goes
0:46:42like this place where you gotta like run
0:46:44the card to get to the ice or whatever
0:46:45right
0:46:46just basic traffic patterns because that
0:46:48affects their margins are so fucking
0:46:50thin on those hotels and they're cutting
0:46:51corners all the time and just just think
0:46:54about the basic optimization that seems
0:46:56to me that the most basic optimization
0:46:58and probably one of the biggest cost
0:47:00centers is turning rooms over with
0:47:02housekeeping etc right right so like
0:47:05that i'm only checkout guy every time
0:47:07late check-out i always ask but you know
0:47:09i mean for example you know you know
0:47:11they recently a lot of the places have
0:47:13taken many bars out of the rooms do you
0:47:16know why I'm grateful because i hate
0:47:19those things
0:47:19well here's why they do it because turns
0:47:22out it was more costly to maintain them
0:47:25in the aggregate the money that they
0:47:27were making so good it wasn't even
0:47:29apparently was even worth the labor of
0:47:31that guy coming knocking on your door
0:47:321045 why the fuck are you check anymore
0:47:35but they're still here still there buddy
0:47:39so good all good what makes sense but
0:47:43you know there's a lot of data to clean
0:47:45now tell you another thing if you live
0:47:46in san francisco and you're like me get
0:47:48what's called a clipper card your
0:47:49clipper card clipper card is the thing
0:47:51that lets you basically put money on
0:47:54it and use it on all the different
0:47:55bahria transit things what a lot of
0:47:58people don't know is that you can go in
0:48:00and you're here history of like where
0:48:02you've traveled where you ran your card
0:48:04it's all in awe dog really i've done
0:48:08i've got to look at it because we have
0:48:10orca cards up here now because the work
0:48:12of course is the symbol of the Northwest
0:48:14yes and the orca card allows you to
0:48:17travel everywhere but there's a system
0:48:18apparently where you blew up your card
0:48:21and then i get i haven't read up on it
0:48:24but I guess when you get to where you're
0:48:26going you one blew up your card and I
0:48:28like on bart for example Bart's weird
0:48:31because I'd I still don't understand how
0:48:32this works or why this works i guess it
0:48:34makes sense because the nature of part
0:48:35is you pay for how many like how far you
0:48:38want how many fractions so you run bar
0:48:40you use part you with this is different
0:48:42from uni for people who don't know or
0:48:44care unit is the San Francisco one where
0:48:46if you're an honest citizen you run your
0:48:47card charges you two dollars and
0:48:49twenty-five cents and you can ride as
0:48:51much as you want for 90 minutes with
0:48:53with Bart you run your card and it
0:48:55doesn't charge it but then when you get
0:48:56off to get out of bart you have to run
0:48:58it again and that's when it takes the
0:49:00credit off your account right well sew
0:49:02up the way Seattle has decided their
0:49:04thing works is it's sort of like
0:49:06Amsterdam you get on and there's no
0:49:09turnstile you just go down and get on da
0:49:12touch and yeah if you if you are an
0:49:16honest person you blew up your car if
0:49:17you're not you just are a scofflaw and
0:49:20you ride it until some a security
0:49:24officer comes on and starts walking down
0:49:26the thing asking to see everybody's
0:49:27think and then he has a little handheld
0:49:30thing he blew up your car if it's if you
0:49:32haven't looped it then you're I don't
0:49:34know what you're in big trouble you
0:49:35gotta get somebody takes to get your
0:49:39Shakespeare but the thing about that
0:49:41this is true and amsterdam and it's true
0:49:43I'm i guess in the seattle thing is if
0:49:45you're watching and the train pulls in
0:49:47and you see because i think in Amsterdam
0:49:50at least a different they have their
0:49:52p.m.
0:49:53they have five enforcement officers if
0:49:55the trains that day have five doors and
0:49:59so the train pulls up in there and a
0:50:00person gets on each door oh IC but they
0:50:04don't check the people who are getting
0:50:06off at that stop
0:50:08also you just you just wait it out yeah
0:50:11youyou look for him and if you pull up
0:50:13to a train in there they're like all the
0:50:15all the scofflaws all like this is my
0:50:18stop and then they're free and so it's
0:50:21only grabbing the scofflaws who are
0:50:23paying attention i don't know how it
0:50:25works in Seattle because I've never seen
0:50:26one of these guys get on but I'll I'm a
0:50:29law-abiding citizen I want to do the
0:50:30thing I brought my card I feel terrible
0:50:32I feel terrible if for some reason like
0:50:34I so dumb the two things I sweat are the
0:50:37library and muni I feel so guilty
0:50:39because I have a car for me in a car for
0:50:40my daughter I pay full adult fare for my
0:50:42daughter because I can't be bothered to
0:50:43go and buy a kid's card downtown and so
0:50:46it's cost us five dollars each time we
0:50:47ride the train no big but sometimes you
0:50:49just know how kind and I did you wrong
0:50:51with you wrong well it's that means like
0:50:54we ran out of credit and I didn't
0:50:55realize it and i forgot to add more to
0:50:57it and I'm like God's I'm scurrying to
0:50:59the front of the train to go pay cash
0:51:01just like I feel so guilty when i do it
0:51:03no you don't want to be that guy but so
0:51:06I never on boob and I guess what that
0:51:08means is i pay full fare to go
0:51:10everywhere interesting it's like parking
0:51:13it's like you know if you leave your car
0:51:15there they just assume that yeah exactly
0:51:16yeah to assume you've been there the
0:51:18whole time you know i mean right to
0:51:19judge the whole month or pay the maximum
0:51:21charge yeah so so I haven't quite
0:51:25figured out the orca card and i'm
0:51:26guessing that if I went and looked at my
0:51:29history it would just say every time you
0:51:31get on the train you go all with the end
0:51:32interesting well there was a movement
0:51:34while back to go back to your membership
0:51:36cards there was a movement a while back
0:51:38people saying hey look you really have
0:51:40safeway parties where people would go
0:51:42and it's just an excuse for you might
0:51:44just be everybody a table at a bar but
0:51:46everybody would swap safeway cards
0:51:48why'd ya every time you meet a friend
0:51:51you swap safely cards
0:51:53why because the discount is identical it
0:51:56screws with their chronic graphics and
0:51:59data gather and I right culture jamming
0:52:02culture jam because the thing is you go
0:52:04all you know this is this
0:52:06this 22 year old woman is suddenly
0:52:10buying a lot more organic products and
0:52:13vitamins right uh-huh sure thing and so
0:52:18this is that means she's gonna have a
0:52:20baby and like so now you're into what's
0:52:22called chronic graphics which is once
0:52:23you're able to figure out how old
0:52:24somebody isn't what they do you can
0:52:26tailor many things to them and then at
0:52:28walgreens that give you a goddamn coupon
0:52:30coupons i get the coupons i get i buy i
0:52:33buy claritin and they gave me a coupon
0:52:34for claritin yeah sure people who bought
0:52:38this also bought Claire people who
0:52:40bought a clock also bought three clocks
0:52:43but here's what I'm worried about
0:52:45why would I want to start getting
0:52:46special offers for being pregnant
0:52:48here's the thing it's a lot like tour
0:52:51you gotta ask yourself I don't know what
0:52:52or is but if I did I would say the
0:52:54problem is the onion right towards the
0:52:56tour is the onion that's right Joe Biden
0:52:58and so the the thing is though you gotta
0:53:01ask yourself well you know yeah maybe
0:53:03it's going to cover up you know whatever
0:53:05it is that I'm doing but remember your
0:53:07IP is also being used for whatever
0:53:08somebody else is doing
0:53:09yeah exactly you get your hands right
0:53:12and you don't get that also you going to
0:53:14dance his guards it is my beautiful
0:53:16house
0:53:16that's right how did I get here ok so i
0:53:20get the culture jamming yes aspect of it
0:53:23I so basically culture jam jam style who
0:53:28the when i go to the supermarket
0:53:30basically the supermarket is receiving
0:53:32two pieces of information one is coming
0:53:35from an 82 year old woman who goes to
0:53:37the grocery store or the or the
0:53:40drugstore every single bank and buys
0:53:43like a completely random old lady set of
0:53:47things because my mom is a you know
0:53:49she's not not a normal old lady right
0:53:52she's buying like like I who knows what
0:53:54she box frankly and then I go go in
0:53:58there and typically the only things i
0:53:59buy anywhere are a chocolate cake edible
0:54:04and cream for my coffee right again half
0:54:08and half a piece of chocolate cake and
0:54:10so they've got to be like this little
0:54:13old lady first of all she's up at five
0:54:16yep because she's at the store of the
0:54:18day it opened the moment it opens to buy
0:54:20itouch Brett's I don't know what she's
0:54:23buying sure little little thing she
0:54:26likes to go
0:54:27she's like old-school she likes to go to
0:54:28the store every day kinda like you and
0:54:30then generally at eleven-forty-five 15
0:54:33minutes before the store closes she
0:54:36comes back and bi's chocolate cake and
0:54:38half-and-half yeah like what are we to
0:54:41make of this how do we tailor how do we
0:54:43tailor the circular you gotta yeah how
0:54:46to shape the algorithm right you think
0:54:50everyone just like pull the tape on that
0:54:51and go look and see what's going on
0:54:54it's all you know oh oh my god you're
0:54:57gonna love this
0:54:58my mom called a phone tree the other day
0:55:01she called the place
0:55:02oh you know what it was it was a the
0:55:04printer printer stop work ok and so she
0:55:06called the helpline and she made it
0:55:08through the phone tree and she put in
0:55:11her you know her home address or social
0:55:14security number
0:55:15not really she didn't put in your social
0:55:16security number I've told her not to do
0:55:18that but she put in the number on the
0:55:20printer and all this stuff and then
0:55:22finally she got somebody who had never
0:55:23heard of her and need her to tell them
0:55:25all that information has and then she
0:55:29talk to that person for 20 minutes
0:55:31person was like struggling to solve the
0:55:33problem and then they got cut off
0:55:35Oh God back right it's all the thing
0:55:39back and the first voice came on hello
0:55:42welcome to epson and she yelled into the
0:55:45phone i just spent 70 minutes talking to
0:55:49your person and I did you know and it
0:55:52according to her clicked immediately to
0:55:54an operator well and so she was we were
0:55:59driving in the car and she was she was
0:56:01thinking about what had happened because
0:56:04she felt like she had discovered a hack
0:56:07if you if you yell at the phone it will
0:56:12understand and it will take you
0:56:15immediately to an operator what she
0:56:17couldn't die either i've i've done this
0:56:19house on right now yeah because it used
0:56:22to be time so i cut off your story
0:56:23please go ahead
0:56:24well she couldn't decide she was toying
0:56:28with two options did the did the
0:56:31algorithm understand her words did the
0:56:36algorithm understand her tone I think
0:56:39it's purely volume try this next time
0:56:42this happens to you so used to be in the
0:56:43nineties if you're a smart cookie new
0:56:45knew a thing which is in an early days
0:56:48of phone trees everybody eventually
0:56:49learned if you just keep your kids 0
0:56:52over and over and over and eventually
0:56:53we'll go through well now remember your
0:56:55options have recently changed something
0:56:58I haven't done this in a while because I
0:56:59don't call that I can't be helped i
0:57:00won't call places anymore but now I
0:57:02don't say the word but if you just
0:57:04scream the f-word repeatedly whoa i
0:57:08don't know i'm suddenly so careful about
0:57:09this no way real green the f word over
0:57:12and over in your but it'll cut over to a
0:57:15operator justjust fun try it
0:57:16collapse and collapse and see if it
0:57:18works just for fun now you probably
0:57:20could be yelling tom bombadil and it
0:57:23would take you any way I don't know
0:57:24right well the door tom bombadil would
0:57:27show up which will be cool
0:57:30troublemaker John it's hard to know
0:57:34ok he may be the oldest living thing
0:57:37maybe the personification of of of
0:57:41nature
0:57:42oh my goodness but there is some
0:57:43suggestion that he's older than the
0:57:46Rings older than the oldest elves
0:57:50Wow and that he has chosen be pretty
0:57:54precedes the ring he precedes the be
0:57:57precedes at all room and he's chosen to
0:57:59live you know self constrained on this
0:58:02little plot on the town the oldest of
0:58:05the old the most ancient and so if i
0:58:10could conjure him and he'd show up here
0:58:12at my house and I do like Tom I'm god I
0:58:15can't find my computer
0:58:17and and tom bombadil he never seems to
0:58:21get bored right tom bombadil never see
0:58:23all the photos of him he looks like he's
0:58:25doing a little dance looks very jolly
0:58:27yeah he's you know what he's bored by
0:58:28the ring which has no effect on it
0:58:31oh interesting idea takes the ring BB is
0:58:35messes with it for a while you fools
0:58:37with it and he's like board gives it
0:58:40value the one thing that everybody else
0:58:43is obsessed with the he's bored by the
0:58:45register so i feel so here's my question
0:58:50dan Savage style do you think there is
0:58:52anyone listening to our program that has
0:58:54kept every fob like I'm other room keys
0:58:59know not everyone will like the room
0:59:02keys but it's not room keys it's fobs so
0:59:04like donkeys like when you go to a
0:59:05library in your library card you get a
0:59:07normal-sized like whatever that is for
0:59:09by to whatever standard credit
0:59:11card-sized goes into the wall trying to
0:59:13get that and then you get a little thing
0:59:14like your gym membership thing that's
0:59:16running a farm like the little guy yeah
0:59:18the little one that's supposed to go on
0:59:19your keychain
0:59:20yeah is there someone out there who just
0:59:23their own little peccadilloes they carry
0:59:27around the keyring with all of the
0:59:29little oh IC ok so you're saying is
0:59:32there anybody in our audience who gets
0:59:35the fob uses the fob keeps using the fob
0:59:38and they just get a big-ass keychain
0:59:39full of fobs keychain fob now that's one
0:59:42spin doctors record because you see
0:59:46right people that and I don't remember
0:59:48you know I've seen there's a key culture
0:59:50we've talked about this there's a table
0:59:51filter the the 900 keys on their key
0:59:54ring who um but there's got him now be a
0:59:58of pop
0:59:58of pop
1:00:00culture mhm right because i keep getting
1:00:02at and i'm not even talking about
1:00:04let's leave aside the ones that you get
1:00:06from walgreens that are a little paper
1:00:07thing on your keychain people keep
1:00:09giving me fobs that actually are the
1:00:12size and shape of a cookie like an
1:00:14actual like keyboards cookie-like
1:00:18keebler elf who are still younger than
1:00:22tom bombadil and they are they
1:00:26because they're elves not dwarves right
1:00:27are the dwarves little people don't want
1:00:31to talk about the ones that live in a
1:00:32tree when they come and they called an
1:00:34elves but they don't look like what
1:00:36we've come to believe elves look like
1:00:38no they're not like we're closer to what
1:00:40we would think i think is a tour right
1:00:43with the hat they have the Hat
1:00:45yeah LOL jobs i think of as being those
1:00:48elegant creatures that look like the guy
1:00:49from the matrix sure you know exactly
1:00:52where that outrageous that actress with
1:00:55the father and Aerosmith like isn't she
1:00:57an elf
1:00:58I think she's an elf yeah what about
1:01:00Claire Danes you know she had wings in
1:01:03that soul asylum video on Homeland
1:01:07I don't know that's a really good
1:01:08question remember she can't angel wings
1:01:10in that time that video
1:01:12oh no I stopped watching your errand
1:01:14arrow a Smith was after a while you know
1:01:17what's the one the one the be not Claire
1:01:20Danes but the but the one chance
1:01:24keep pushing yeah keep winching yeah I
1:01:26think she's an elf and then you get the
1:01:28name is Hugo Weaving he's the guy who is
1:01:29V for Vendetta
1:01:31there's also the agent the sunglasses in
1:01:33the jello movie do you know what he you
1:01:35know what I learned he was the v for
1:01:37vendetta i was i was very I was that it
1:01:41could have been a better guy because boy
1:01:42what an emotive performance you know
1:01:45what I heard I heard that was actually I
1:01:47heard that they attempted very briefly
1:01:49I'm just repeating something her on a
1:01:51podcast but I heard the attempted very
1:01:52briefly to have a stand him for him and
1:01:54having just do the voice but I've heard
1:01:56pretty much that whole movie is that
1:01:58actor in a mask
1:01:59yes and it's his performance is amazing
1:02:02i really like that movie
1:02:03yeah it would have to it would have to
1:02:04be him because you couldn't duplicate
1:02:06that kind of body
1:02:07language yeah that amount of sensitivity
1:02:10to to the physicality of that role of
1:02:13guys on the internet I i really think
1:02:15that's how they look
1:02:16Orson a white lady a lot of lot of the
1:02:20glove gracious gestures words
1:02:23yeah jukebox swords and sorcery these
1:02:26big sorcery who could be i've been to
1:02:30actual in oregon i know how much sorcery
1:02:32there is i thought what about that place
1:02:33in Arizona was called fredonia was no
1:02:36that place that's got like crystal
1:02:37energy what's called sits in sedona so
1:02:40that we don't you
1:02:41babilona Arizona public persona got to
1:02:43meet a stoner but this
1:02:46well there's that place north joshua
1:02:50tree with be a giant pyramid made out of
1:02:53copper tubing know what yeah I've been
1:02:56to Twentynine Palms well on your Marines
1:02:59we were talking about this which I
1:03:00talked about this with your family
1:03:02twentynine palms together nice
1:03:03aspiration gonna stay there now it's
1:03:05very interesting it's got a lot of
1:03:07military training and hippies
1:03:09yeah yeah um I how the trip go by the
1:03:13way they have fun at Joshua Tree
1:03:15I think everyone had fun i don't think
1:03:18they went to joshua tree that's partly
1:03:20why they had fun i think they stayed in
1:03:22Palm Springs the entire tunnel
1:03:25interesting and but I recently was
1:03:32looking at real estate in Joshua Tree
1:03:34okay and here's what's confusing
1:03:38here's what's confusing about buying a
1:03:39vacation home in joshua tree but they're
1:03:44there so you go you go on you go on your
1:03:47whatever your real estate your favorite
1:03:49real estate any interest in or an
1:03:52Anglophile yeah SAR has better worker
1:03:56stands yep and you go on there and you
1:04:00put in Joshua Tree a vacation home or
1:04:03joshua tree home real estate and up pops
1:04:07a lot of things and you can buy 50 acres
1:04:10in joshua tree for five thousand dollars
1:04:12or you can buy 50 acres in joshua tree
1:04:16for a million-dollar
1:04:17and location location location right i'm
1:04:20looking at 24 pictures of both plots of
1:04:23land bearing indistinguishable as far as
1:04:25I can see there's no water on either one
1:04:28of them there is nothing green on either
1:04:30one of them they look like the surface
1:04:32of Mars and as far as i can tell both of
1:04:35them have manufactured homes situated on
1:04:38them with enough parking for 40 vehicles
1:04:40and you go
1:04:42he helped I five-thousand-dollar ones
1:04:45that sound right but i don't know like I
1:04:49guess you who unlike almost every other
1:04:52place you really would need to go to
1:04:54Joshua Tree forget a local by the short
1:04:57hairs and walking out there and say why
1:04:59is this 15 thousand that one is a
1:05:01million and then they are going to say
1:05:04oh the five-thousand-dollar one is
1:05:06haunted by the ghosts of our ancestors
1:05:07and the million-dollar one is where its
1:05:11lower the ancestors had wriggled is good
1:05:13AT&T coverage there
1:05:14sure that might be a to write to get
1:05:17length if you're going to build a house
1:05:19in joshua tree like here in Seattle you
1:05:21buy a lot you get a bulldozer in there
1:05:23you flatten out the dirt
1:05:25maybe you dig a hole bill that yeah
1:05:28there you would have to use dynamite
1:05:31okay Ronnie yeah just like lobby right
1:05:34you would have to use dynamite just to
1:05:35clear a space for the bulldozer work so
1:05:39so I I got pretty close to abandoning
1:05:42the whole idea of a vacation home in
1:05:44joshua tree in one session one session i
1:05:48was confused in one session of looking i
1:05:51was confused enough that I felt like if
1:05:54i'm going to go to joshua tree for
1:05:55vacation i'm just going to Aaron BB a
1:05:57place you know you could learn more but
1:06:00I think you're talking about something
1:06:01that's just smart in general you know
1:06:02that old line about like if you don't
1:06:04know who that the asshole is it to you
1:06:06you don't have a customer is it to you
1:06:08if you don't know who the product is its
1:06:09you through is same here like you know
1:06:12in a case like that we like wait a
1:06:14minute will be aware of situations where
1:06:16you know less than any other person
1:06:18involved that can be a very costly
1:06:20decision
1:06:21yep oh sure right you don't want to be
1:06:24the one that's like you know what I got
1:06:26this all this seems this seems nice
1:06:28where bird nearest
1:06:29I mean there's a there's a grocery store
1:06:32and you like huh
1:06:33but you don't know about the haunting
1:06:34yeah what about the haunting you didn't
1:06:36think about the haunting could be like
1:06:38that place that the FBI keeps busting
1:06:40because they think all the terrorist
1:06:41cell phones are there to hear about well
1:06:44is that out in eastern oregon there was
1:06:46a place i forget where but there was
1:06:47this big mystery about this one location
1:06:50nobody can figure out why this this nice
1:06:53little normal hipster couple lived in
1:06:54this house and like all they kept
1:06:56getting raided by different places where
1:06:59they getting docked by fortran I don't
1:07:02know because bad feels like a good docs
1:07:04yeah this house this hipster house is
1:07:07full of terrors
1:07:08I'm just saying beware of real estate
1:07:10agents bearing gifts on saying well sure
1:07:14because you know there's another rule of
1:07:16thumb least him at least in these rainy
1:07:18con yeah don't buy the lowest house boy
1:07:22right do not buy the geographically
1:07:25lowest this is the joke John and it's
1:07:27not even that funny once you understand
1:07:28why it's a joke better because all you
1:07:30know what is it what is it tornadoes
1:07:32have against mobile home
1:07:33haha well what tornadoes having its
1:07:35mobile homes is they're built in the
1:07:37cheapest lowest-lying place in the
1:07:39entire community which is always wiped
1:07:40out by tornadoes hahaha whether hates
1:07:45poor people do people keep their
1:07:49stupidness near the stupid tornado I we
1:07:54had a similar thing in in Anchorage
1:07:56which is there's a there's a gap in the
1:07:58mountains outside of Anchorage that is
1:08:02basically a giant wind tunnel that
1:08:04funnels all wind tunnels the entire wind
1:08:08all the wind every bit of the wind it
1:08:11funnels down through this valley and the
1:08:13valley is pointed like a blunderbuss at
1:08:18a certain neighborhood of Seattle called
1:08:20Muldoon and Muldoon is a place where a
1:08:26where their trailer home parks and what
1:08:29the wind really gets cooking which it
1:08:31does every you know it's like a hundred
1:08:33years storm that happens every eight
1:08:35years
1:08:37the wind comes down that blunderbuss and
1:08:40the thing about it is it's the gap in
1:08:43the mountains is not straight on like if
1:08:45you're standing in Anchorage you look up
1:08:46the mountains you don't see a valley
1:08:49pointed at you
1:08:50okay it's coming at you at an angle so
1:08:53the mountains just looked like a kind of
1:08:55contiguous mountain range with lots of
1:08:59interesting sort of depth to it but
1:09:02somewhere up there there's a spot that
1:09:03if you look at it from the side
1:09:05wow you can see all the way up to where
1:09:07the wind limbs em this thing sheets that
1:09:10wind down there and we'll pick up a
1:09:12mobile home and just take it just take
1:09:15them or you'll never see it again as it
1:09:17tested negative things that come out of
1:09:19nowhere
1:09:20uh well they there so there are what
1:09:22they call sustained gusts and for me
1:09:25that seems to be like contradiction in
1:09:29terms of her a gust is like by
1:09:33definition not sustained sustained gusts
1:09:37which is like at a certain point you get
1:09:40these hurricane-force winds and they're
1:09:42just picking up trailer homes and they
1:09:44are destroying them like flapping them
1:09:46like matchsticks and also taking them up
1:09:49to the sky where you never to be seen
1:09:51again taking them up and the yapping
1:09:53dogs inside and gone forever
1:09:55yeah and it's the same thing like why do
1:09:57they keep why does the wind hate the
1:09:59trailer home like well those are the
1:10:01only things that get built in that area
1:10:03probably be for this very same reason
1:10:05huh
1:10:06tornado alley huh wind wind killer zone
1:10:12when he doesn't just persistent guess I
1:10:15was sharing some of your wisdom with my
1:10:16daughter just last week this thing you
1:10:19taught me about learning to look at the
1:10:21look at the land like where people
1:10:23decided to settle in like why they
1:10:24settled there and like notice how often
1:10:26it's like near a body of water that
1:10:28could be used for shipping or it's not
1:10:30on the top of a mountain because it
1:10:31would be hard to build a house there and
1:10:33this is a good place for a railroad I
1:10:35still think about that all the time
1:10:36yeah right to get you wired why why is
1:10:39it there on the river well because
1:10:40that's the place that you could cross
1:10:42the river and everywhere else on that
1:10:44River it would be much harder to cross
1:10:46it and also that's the place where the
1:10:49waters running fastest where we can
1:10:51the wheel and use it for power must have
1:10:53tried to teach me this in school you
1:10:56know
1:10:56no i don't i don't think so i don't
1:10:58think this is the type of business and
1:11:00friendship thing I feel like some some
1:11:02bleeding-heart liberal in the seventies
1:11:04must have occurred to them to go
1:11:06you ever wonder why Cincinnati's built
1:11:07on what we call the Ohio River hmm i
1:11:10don't think so i think they were so busy
1:11:12saying now what what year was the war of
1:11:16yeah right that they didn't you know
1:11:18they're just trying to take off boxes
1:11:20and they're not sitting there saying
1:11:21let's think about this let's go and take
1:11:24a look and see and and dream
1:11:27let's dream mm-hmm the hippie teachers
1:11:30didn't have the kind of the the
1:11:33wherewithal that's a set just didn't
1:11:35have permission to dream they didn't
1:11:37have permission to dream in fact their
1:11:39dreams their dreams did not become
1:11:41reality their dreams were thwarted and
1:11:43capped and I don't think I think what
1:11:45we've lost now is even the knowledge
1:11:47that there once were dream
1:11:48oh my goodness right nobody's going into
1:11:50the schools and say why is Cincinnati
1:11:52built on the Ohio River
1:11:54mar you know it wasn't called Cincinnati
1:11:57or the Ohio River at one point nope nope
1:11:59nope nope we what we got three naming
1:12:01rights agency park 4a state but you know
1:12:04when people are coming into a turf we're
1:12:06coming in and taking a territory away
1:12:08from somebody that might have been
1:12:09already there huh
1:12:11they're not taking away that you're not
1:12:12bouncing them off of their territory
1:12:14that they spent 900 years figuring out
1:12:16was the best and then building something
1:12:19a mile and a half away just to be
1:12:21different
1:12:21huh they're bouncing off the best land
1:12:24and then they're building their thing
1:12:25they're very nice
1:12:28well you know that's not they weren't
1:12:30thinking in terms of nice
1:12:31no but what's the big here let me
1:12:34quickly let me query yes it does matter
1:12:36yes what's the big diagonal street in
1:12:39Cincinnati that is a major thoroughfare
1:12:41but appears to not conform to the grid
1:12:44hell cheese I don't know I wasn't there
1:12:47when i was driving age we live in a
1:12:49northwest part of town mostly so I mean
1:12:52I've been downtown a lot we drive by
1:12:54downtown a lot but i'm not sure i don't
1:12:59think i know the answer to that any
1:13:00their version of market street basically
1:13:02yeah
1:13:02typically in a city there
1:13:04is a generally going to be 1 and this is
1:13:07you know starts in the old part of
1:13:09terror and one street that doesn't does
1:13:11not conform to the grid that's a major
1:13:13that's like--that's at the ER road
1:13:16yeah that's the indian trail ok right
1:13:18that's the one that that they built the
1:13:21road right along the indian trail
1:13:22because that was obviously the best
1:13:24route is likewise a drive right it's
1:13:27like Chief lacquer probably done right
1:13:29wacker drive here and then they build
1:13:32the town up around it and somebody comes
1:13:33along like we need to put this town into
1:13:35a grid but we can't do that to wacker
1:13:37road because hair hair wacker the
1:13:40original chief of this area
1:13:43yeah really original illinoisians yeah
1:13:45like all the buildings are on that road
1:13:48already but we're going to build a grid
1:13:49around it and then this roads going to
1:13:50be either the shortcut or the confounded
1:13:53inconsiderate road that would be market
1:13:56street for us
1:13:57yeah yeah yeah what is that what is that
1:13:59in Seattle you have one of those
1:14:02well so there's so Seattle is very
1:14:05confusingly built the following way one
1:14:10of the early so the early settlers came
1:14:13and they all they all claimed a sort of
1:14:17well a claim of a certain portion of
1:14:21what became downtown seattle and one
1:14:23person thought that the roads should be
1:14:25parallel to the water
1:14:27uh-huh which made sense right first
1:14:30avenue second Avenue third Avenue as
1:14:32they come up from the water because the
1:14:34water there was a a assure that was
1:14:36fairly even that short does not point
1:14:39north-south it is sort of northwest by
1:14:43southeast but this the streets downtown
1:14:45are parallel to that Coast that was one
1:14:48guy's idea and then another person
1:14:51thought that the street should be
1:14:52oriented true north south so he started
1:14:56building on his claim
1:14:58north south and then a third person
1:15:02thought that their roads should just be
1:15:05built according to their own with half
1:15:08way and there might even have been a
1:15:12fourth person that thought that the road
1:15:14should go according to the the ridgeline
1:15:17of the of the hill one he'll back and so
1:15:21when they finally get through
1:15:23everybody's got their own program here
1:15:24right
1:15:25and so when the city grew up enough that
1:15:28these areas needed to be connected
1:15:30nobody said alright we're going to tear
1:15:32down your whole neighborhood and rebuild
1:15:33it because this is dumb
1:15:35they just connected at all and so if you
1:15:38look at an overhead map of Seattle you
1:15:40will see that the streets go every which
1:15:44way it's like a it's like a broken
1:15:46window or if you gave LSD to a spider
1:15:50and I don't know if you've ever given
1:15:53alicito spider-boy i think i remember
1:15:56seeing photos of LSD spider webs in
1:16:00health class
1:16:01yeah well they were basically every one
1:16:02of them at Seattle em but the main so
1:16:07the main thoroughfares are a demi which
1:16:10goes all the way up and over and down
1:16:12and that of course is named after mr.
1:16:15Demi is area that was and then there's
1:16:18born which goes the other way
1:16:21cattywampus canoodle over this way and
1:16:25that's named after mr. Bourne and uh you
1:16:29know then you had James which is named
1:16:32after mr. James and yesler named after
1:16:35mr. yesler and there are consistent in
1:16:38the naming if not on the implementation
1:16:40right they're all going their own way
1:16:43they can go their own way hm
1:16:46good call there all day that's right and
1:16:49it makes it if you know what you're
1:16:51doing in seattle you can go from a demi
1:16:55to born to yesler and you get there get
1:17:00there a lot faster take Danny to born
1:17:02born to us left over
1:17:04you don't know what you're doing and you
1:17:05think that you just will drive down this
1:17:07one street that has a number and it will
1:17:09take you to somewhere else
1:17:11you're a fool because you will not get
1:17:14there get there right you'll end up
1:17:16going
1:17:18until somebody until somehow you get
1:17:21funneled down to born meant yesler but
1:17:24when I sort incurred averaged a chance
1:17:25right but i think you know like it in
1:17:29the New York City you're gonna get your
1:17:30Broadway that goes from together to from
1:17:33heather to do that either right
1:17:35Broadway's out batteries down
1:17:37that's right well yet the idea
1:17:41well it wasn't what I know from New York
1:17:43I've learned from musicals yeah the
1:17:44Bronx is up in the battery's down okay
1:17:46which one of my the year the bronx ok
1:17:49you know I went I went finally on a tour
1:17:52a self-guided tour of of the bronx
1:17:56proper oh nice trick just a couple
1:17:58months ago i was there i was given a
1:18:01tour of New York to my lady friend my
1:18:04millennial girlfriend down driving
1:18:05around and we were coming back from
1:18:07somewhere up north coming back from
1:18:10Poughkeepsie or something and i was like
1:18:12even down here over here off the freeway
1:18:15here you'll see the bronx and i started
1:18:17giving Korea a description of the
1:18:19history of the Bronx Bronx has gotta a
1:18:21long and storied history and fort apache
1:18:26there in the bronx fort apache the bronx
1:18:28and she said well I want to see the
1:18:32bronx and i was like oh well generally
1:18:34you don't see the bronx generally just
1:18:36refer to the bronx you point to the
1:18:38bronx on a map or you look at the Bronx
1:18:41as you go over it on the freeway and she
1:18:42said why I would prefer to get off the
1:18:45freeway and see the bronx i said i said
1:18:48this will be fun and we got down on the
1:18:50freeway and we drove around the bronx
1:18:52all night long and it was extraordinary
1:18:53really a lot going on in the bronx and
1:18:57you wouldn't know it by looking at it on
1:18:59a map
1:19:00you have to be down there on the streets
1:19:02of the Bronx looking at it and yeah so I
1:19:05learned a new thing
1:19:06well I learned two things listen to what
1:19:08my little girlfriend sense
1:19:10yeah and also then go to the Bronx
1:19:12definitely changing the way that wine is
1:19:14sold
1:19:15they also changing their also changing
1:19:17our idea of how we interact with the
1:19:19bronx right right then we have a lot to
1:19:21thank the Millennials social for
1:19:23millenniums yeah and and I'm learning
1:19:26every day every single day
1:19:28did you you look at it that way you look
1:19:29at it as a learning experience well you
1:19:32gotta look at it somehow and you know
1:19:36after four after 40 different people
1:19:38wrote me emails telling me not to use
1:19:39the term Bernie bro because it's racist
1:19:4120 bases against him Bernie bros tony
1:19:46hill by the way BTW they don't do not
1:19:49exist btdubs so it's it's a racist white
1:19:52people
1:19:52yeah Bernie bros who are who don't exist
1:19:54but its equivalent to races are all its
1:19:57equivalent to radio so that's everything
1:19:59now that hurts your feelings is
1:20:01equivalent to racism this is another
1:20:02thing that I learned from millenniums we
1:20:04switch this generations racism with
1:20:07soldiers crystals tonight
1:20:09hey never asks for another cup of my
1:20:12racism for Bernie Americans