The Talk Show

181: ‘Corporate Stiffy’, With Special Guest John Moltz


00:00:00   we had a very fun interaction earlier [TS]

00:00:02   today I i find one of the ways I mean [TS]

00:00:05   clearly overall i'm rocking at light [TS]

00:00:08   speed towards crotchety old man status [TS]

00:00:11   I mean there's no doubt about it i mean [TS]

00:00:13   you know I i can't remember i watch [TS]

00:00:14   saturday night live every week I don't [TS]

00:00:16   remember the last time I've ever heard [TS]

00:00:17   of the musical guest musical guest [TS]

00:00:20   I mean I who was the music who is [TS]

00:00:24   already forgotten he's already another [TS]

00:00:26   sign right but you sure [TS]

00:00:29   short-term memory but there are a [TS]

00:00:33   handful of ways where I feel like hey [TS]

00:00:35   see I've still got it i'm with the kids [TS]

00:00:37   and one of them is is I keep using emoji [TS]

00:00:40   more and more and ice [TS]

00:00:43   I don't know yeah there's anything i [TS]

00:00:45   went to iOS add the feature where where [TS]

00:00:48   the auto suggestions above the keyboard [TS]

00:00:51   include emoji I think that's iOS 10 like [TS]

00:00:53   it just came out like five months ago [TS]

00:00:55   right but i've been using in the summer [TS]

00:00:58   on beta so I i've been using it for [TS]

00:01:00   seven or eight months at least I have to [TS]

00:01:03   say I never really noticed that and I [TS]

00:01:06   think part of it is I never used those [TS]

00:01:08   auto suggestion I should just close that [TS]

00:01:10   and take the space back it's like I'm [TS]

00:01:12   looking at the keyboard while i type and [TS]

00:01:14   me looking at the keyboard light means i [TS]

00:01:16   don't see anything above the keyboard so [TS]

00:01:18   I never use those and I'll men people [TS]

00:01:20   who do do type faster you know like and [TS]

00:01:23   it does seem when I when I do pay [TS]

00:01:24   attention to it seems like the [TS]

00:01:26   suggestions are sometimes amazing where [TS]

00:01:28   you can type a fairly long word and it [TS]

00:01:31   guesses you know you type like a or you [TS]

00:01:35   have a few words and I guess is when [TS]

00:01:37   right right like you type a you and [TS]

00:01:39   somehow it guesses that you wanted to [TS]

00:01:41   type the word authorized because of you [TS]

00:01:43   know like the context of where it is [TS]

00:01:45   it's like wow you can really save a lot [TS]

00:01:47   of thumbtacks by just a you and then [TS]

00:01:50   Auto considered anyway I noticed I've [TS]

00:01:52   your your to have that I'm starting to [TS]

00:01:54   notice those emoji that pop up as a [TS]

00:01:56   suggestion and so I sent one to you as [TS]

00:01:59   to [TS]

00:02:00   and I said the word think and when you [TS]

00:02:02   type the word think there's like a [TS]

00:02:03   little like thought cloud with a thing [TS]

00:02:05   and you said you said it looks more like [TS]

00:02:09   a fart than a than a thought and I [TS]

00:02:12   thought well I've got to use that [TS]

00:02:13   immediately and within like 10 seconds [TS]

00:02:16   of paging through what can i connect the [TS]

00:02:18   fart emoji to i found a the poodle the [TS]

00:02:23   dog a dog emoji and it's even pointing [TS]

00:02:26   the right way where the little the [TS]

00:02:29   little dot of the puffy cloud is coming [TS]

00:02:32   from the doc you should I Hannah you [TS]

00:02:36   should get that into the show notes i [TS]

00:02:37   have been the number that you you have a [TS]

00:02:40   big white book little i do yeah i know [TS]

00:02:43   that's the great thing about that is [TS]

00:02:45   like I mean he's not he's night [TS]

00:02:46   thank God you know this is an argument [TS]

00:02:48   early on we got the time with my wife [TS]

00:02:50   was like you know we're getting a poodle [TS]

00:02:52   I wanted to be cut like a regular dog [TS]

00:02:53   and I want to have a cut like first I [TS]

00:02:55   wanted to be a big I wanted to be a big [TS]

00:02:56   pool I didn't want some tiny little like [TS]

00:02:58   he kept you know think that's like [TS]

00:03:00   shaking all the time so that was number [TS]

00:03:04   one number two is like I can't have him [TS]

00:03:06   cut like fancy show cool so he's mostly [TS]

00:03:10   cut like a regular dog he's got he's got [TS]

00:03:11   kind of like a poofy head and and and [TS]

00:03:14   usually as tails a little bushy but for [TS]

00:03:16   the rest the rest this is a is usually [TS]

00:03:19   is usually fairly straightforward dog [TS]

00:03:21   cut so so he doesn't look exactly like [TS]

00:03:24   that but he is he is white and and yeah [TS]

00:03:27   so it's kind of it's kind of perfect it [TS]

00:03:30   is actually the emoji is actually named [TS]

00:03:32   poodle it's i don't know why i don't [TS]

00:03:35   know why the poodles among all dogs [TS]

00:03:37   deserve their own emoji like like what [TS]

00:03:40   gets an emoji and what doesn't [TS]

00:03:42   is sometimes so bizarrely mhm requires [TS]

00:03:46   pool yeah its own thing it how many [TS]

00:03:49   other there must be other dogs there i'm [TS]

00:03:51   looking i typed dog and there's one that [TS]

00:03:53   there's one that's just dog it's just a [TS]

00:03:55   generic dog and then there's poodle and [TS]

00:03:58   i think that's it [TS]

00:03:59   oh and then there's also dogs case [TS]

00:04:02   there's also dog face of the others the [TS]

00:04:05   others asses [TS]

00:04:08   poodles are great dogs I i do not have a [TS]

00:04:11   dog [TS]

00:04:12   uh this is a conversation that [TS]

00:04:14   occasionally comes up in and the grouper [TS]

00:04:17   household of whether or not we should [TS]

00:04:18   get a dog [TS]

00:04:19   my belief is that we travel too much and [TS]

00:04:22   that that that and we don't have any [TS]

00:04:25   kind of friends or family we live who [TS]

00:04:29   live in here is by design and so you [TS]

00:04:34   know it would be like a candle situation [TS]

00:04:36   several times a year and I just feel [TS]

00:04:37   like I don't feel like that's good for [TS]

00:04:39   the dog and I mean I know that like that [TS]

00:04:42   candles are a little different than they [TS]

00:04:44   used to be i think that there's Wi-Fi a [TS]

00:04:46   little bit more like camp [TS]

00:04:48   yeah applause yeah so that that's good [TS]

00:04:52   you know like when we were kids I mean [TS]

00:04:54   like when people had to put the dogs in [TS]

00:04:55   a kennel they just put a mic in a cage [TS]

00:04:57   like a look [TS]

00:04:58   yeah let's little yeah you buy for cage [TS]

00:05:01   that's that's that's terrible [TS]

00:05:04   yeah yeah I know he and you for a while [TS]

00:05:08   he was going to make everyone like when [TS]

00:05:10   we got done swimming get desperate he's [TS]

00:05:11   gone to this place that has like they [TS]

00:05:14   sleep in cages but then during the day [TS]

00:05:16   it's a doggy daycare thing so he's out [TS]

00:05:19   running around with a whole bunch of [TS]

00:05:20   other dogs and like up in a big room [TS]

00:05:22   which is I think kind of fun for him [TS]

00:05:24   although he doesn't I don't think he [TS]

00:05:26   likes staying outside the house [TS]

00:05:28   I think he gets anxiety about that so he [TS]

00:05:30   now we have this is a big daughter of [TS]

00:05:36   someone that carries to work with and [TS]

00:05:39   her boyfriend come and stay and I don't [TS]

00:05:43   think the daughter likes grant very much [TS]

00:05:46   put the boyfriend loves great so they [TS]

00:05:49   take they have it they apparently have a [TS]

00:05:51   great time together and they're they're [TS]

00:05:54   coming back to the next time ago and so [TS]

00:05:56   they've only done that once before but [TS]

00:05:58   we were gone for like two weeks so you [TS]

00:06:00   know I think so there's I think this is [TS]

00:06:03   a shiba inu as if i'm not mistaken [TS]

00:06:06   so there's there's poodle and then [TS]

00:06:08   they're Sheba you have it but when you [TS]

00:06:10   hover over it just says dog so they [TS]

00:06:12   might have that might be safe okay well [TS]

00:06:14   yeah but I mean it's the Japanese yam so [TS]

00:06:16   so it makes sense that would [TS]

00:06:18   that would be the look what's your dog's [TS]

00:06:19   name again we shouldn't just program [TS]

00:06:21   grants like like ulysses s like you [TS]

00:06:25   lousy am I love a poodle [TS]

00:06:28   it was one of everything we were to get [TS]

00:06:29   a dog that people would be on the short [TS]

00:06:31   list you know you never hear about [TS]

00:06:32   people when you're somebody has a pulley [TS]

00:06:34   you never hear well that's a miserable [TS]

00:06:35   angry dog that's true that's true he's [TS]

00:06:40   pretty good nature [TS]

00:06:42   I mean he barks like crazy it you know [TS]

00:06:44   anything that goes down the street but [TS]

00:06:45   he's he's good with us like I mean that [TS]

00:06:47   you know and the the kid the kids not [TS]

00:06:49   bad now but when he was a younger you [TS]

00:06:51   know upp rough and and he's never he's [TS]

00:06:54   never bitten maybe had a poodle with [TS]

00:06:56   growing up named andy he was a good [TS]

00:06:58   he was a really good dog and he lived a [TS]

00:07:00   very light so among the things that I [TS]

00:07:02   like about poodles they have good [TS]

00:07:03   dispositions they do not shed [TS]

00:07:05   ahh bra in there they're hypoallergenic [TS]

00:07:08   that's that's the real really needed to [TS]

00:07:11   get a poodle's cameras yeah and even but [TS]

00:07:13   even if you're not allergic [TS]

00:07:14   it's like that's the stuff that people [TS]

00:07:17   are allergic to it you know kind of [TS]

00:07:19   smell my minute [TS]

00:07:22   yeah I and you know the hair thing is [TS]

00:07:24   the drive me nuts so good disposition [TS]

00:07:27   and they live a long time [TS]

00:07:29   there there a long living breed i have a [TS]

00:07:34   friend a friend from college who has a [TS]

00:07:36   well I actually guess at this point has [TS]

00:07:40   been so long has had a series of Great [TS]

00:07:42   Danes with his wife and family [TS]

00:07:44   oh yeah and they have great danes [TS]

00:07:46   they're beautiful dogs I mean they're [TS]

00:07:47   magnificent I mean but you know they're [TS]

00:07:49   also to me terrifying because if they [TS]

00:07:51   stood up they'd be like a treat hall but [TS]

00:07:54   but they're apparently so yeah sure [TS]

00:07:56   there's absolutely that's what he says [TS]

00:07:58   when we've talked about it that they are [TS]

00:08:00   you know they you know where they really [TS]

00:08:03   are like Marmaduke [TS]

00:08:05   yeah they only have like six years it's [TS]

00:08:08   it's like heartbreaking signing up for [TS]

00:08:10   like a series of us to constant series [TS]

00:08:13   Family heartbreak where ya workin right [TS]

00:08:16   where the dog is magnificent as a great [TS]

00:08:18   disposition is truly part of the family [TS]

00:08:20   and then he's gone [TS]

00:08:25   karen was at the at the vet with Grant [TS]

00:08:27   one time and there was a woman there [TS]

00:08:29   with a great dane and the the dog was [TS]

00:08:31   just you know was completely a wreck [TS]

00:08:33   because he wasn't even knew it was at [TS]

00:08:34   the veteran like you know it was totally [TS]

00:08:37   nervous and so he was [TS]

00:08:38   hey he was sitting on her lap but [TS]

00:08:42   because because his front legs were so [TS]

00:08:44   long he had his front legs on the floor [TS]

00:08:47   was butter but what if you could just [TS]

00:08:52   like you know he was shivering because [TS]

00:08:54   he was terror I maybe had a pool and he [TS]

00:08:59   live and candy was i I swear to God I [TS]

00:09:01   think he might have been like 18 when he [TS]

00:09:03   died which is yeah i mean at least 17 it [TS]

00:09:06   was really a long time and he was like [TS]

00:09:08   stone called death for the last few [TS]

00:09:10   years and but but it wasn't as though he [TS]

00:09:14   could still imagine sounds and so like [TS]

00:09:17   you'd be sleeping and there was this [TS]

00:09:19   service is so it was just great it was [TS]

00:09:22   great dog it all life and it was great [TS]

00:09:24   and old age but you know II there was a [TS]

00:09:26   vent near the the family like imac to [TS]

00:09:30   the side I event in the floor and that [TS]

00:09:32   was like his spot because he just get [TS]

00:09:33   that soak up the heat and everyone you [TS]

00:09:36   know you just snap out of his sleep [TS]

00:09:38   because he liked dreams out and go [TS]

00:09:40   roaring toward the door like a young dog [TS]

00:09:43   barking up a storm [TS]

00:09:45   you know like maybe he imagined the [TS]

00:09:46   mailman was there you know but there was [TS]

00:09:48   no longer any correlation between the [TS]

00:09:50   mailman actually coming in when he would [TS]

00:09:51   not have no idea man i had a dog growing [TS]

00:09:57   up it was a we got from we just saw like [TS]

00:10:02   an ad in the paper and just took like [TS]

00:10:04   not really a rescue dog but just some [TS]

00:10:06   and I no woman had literally like a [TS]

00:10:09   trailer park [TS]

00:10:10   Chester i love the son-of-a-bitch [TS]

00:10:13   but he was he was really nasty he was it [TS]

00:10:15   was it was a supposedly about [TS]

00:10:18   three-quarters poodle and one-quarter [TS]

00:10:20   Pekinese I think the nasty part came [TS]

00:10:22   from the kinds you get it does get Karen [TS]

00:10:25   Karen Pekinese growing up and she would [TS]

00:10:28   get she said you got better all the time [TS]

00:10:30   they were just buy a condo Chester [TS]

00:10:31   Chester would you sort of built more [TS]

00:10:34   like a poodle [TS]

00:10:35   I did not shed but he didn't his hair [TS]

00:10:37   was curly ish but not you know like [TS]

00:10:39   poodle tight curls black-and-white and [TS]

00:10:41   he had a terrible underbite I was is not [TS]

00:10:46   for mode not from good breeding but i [TS]

00:10:49   love this son-of-a-bitch when he was in [TS]

00:10:50   a good mood here is the greatest dog and [TS]

00:10:52   he was kind of smart and then winter [TS]

00:10:54   ways to put t-shirts on him we would [TS]

00:10:56   just buy like like a like a a you know [TS]

00:10:59   Scott Sizemore's a toddler cut out a [TS]

00:11:01   little bit for the PN at the belly and [TS]

00:11:05   then put it on backwards so that the [TS]

00:11:06   logo would be on his back and he used to [TS]

00:11:08   love wearing shirts and you could just [TS]

00:11:11   say Chandi go get your shirt and he [TS]

00:11:13   would he it was as though you said [TS]

00:11:15   chetty i'm going to give you a hamburger [TS]

00:11:16   you know like he would he would like [TS]

00:11:19   light up and he'd go tearing to where we [TS]

00:11:22   kept his shirt get it and then bring it [TS]

00:11:24   to you [TS]

00:11:25   well he could be so smart but then [TS]

00:11:29   another thing he would like to do is he [TS]

00:11:31   would like to crawl under any of our [TS]

00:11:35   sofas and just stay there for hours at a [TS]

00:11:38   time and if your feet got near meet snap [TS]

00:11:41   at him I swear to god swear to god he'd [TS]

00:11:48   stay under for three or four hours [TS]

00:11:50   Danny and sometimes when he was down [TS]

00:11:52   there he would just go it would just be [TS]

00:11:53   like like a low growl non-stop [TS]

00:11:56   oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean little [TS]

00:11:58   dogs like that the evidences to love [TS]

00:12:00   being in because we had we had a little [TS]

00:12:05   westie and Scotty when I was growing up [TS]

00:12:07   and the scottie actually study was half [TS]

00:12:09   Westie to and the scottie that which are [TS]

00:12:12   to do those two dogs did not get along [TS]

00:12:13   but the people who live next door had a [TS]

00:12:16   westie and our Scotty got along really [TS]

00:12:18   well with their west and so that dog [TS]

00:12:20   would come in and out of our house all [TS]

00:12:22   the time and I remember one time we had [TS]

00:12:24   to go someplace [TS]

00:12:25   and they're like you to get the other [TS]

00:12:27   guy camera that dog's name you gotta get [TS]

00:12:29   em out get em out [TS]

00:12:30   that's why go up by go upstairs in the [TS]

00:12:32   two of them are just like they're under [TS]

00:12:33   my parents bed just like under there [TS]

00:12:36   like making a fort and you know and I [TS]

00:12:38   try to reach under their dick gravity [TS]

00:12:40   that was like I loved I loved chatting [TS]

00:12:44   like reaching into a dinner i love that [TS]

00:12:46   dog for his his effectively you know [TS]

00:12:50   bipolar nature loved the other thing [TS]

00:12:56   about gesture was Eva's a complete idiot [TS]

00:12:58   I he when every man a strange dog he [TS]

00:13:01   would want to attack it and you know it [TS]

00:13:04   was only like and i dont les the [TS]

00:13:06   knee-high it wasn't like a tiny little [TS]

00:13:07   dog but you know it was like a regular [TS]

00:13:09   people not the big standard poodle [TS]

00:13:11   sighs and he would he would go after [TS]

00:13:13   like you know like if you sound like [TS]

00:13:14   somebody walking a Doberman or whatever [TS]

00:13:16   you want to get a fight it's like what [TS]

00:13:17   he what he thinking you have no chickens [TS]

00:13:20   like he was left to his own in nature [TS]

00:13:23   he'd be dead he would even find a big [TS]

00:13:25   dog and go get killed but yeah no [TS]

00:13:29   they're not they're not bright [TS]

00:13:31   he did have had the same thing where he [TS]

00:13:33   knew when he was going to the vet and [TS]

00:13:34   and he would be there and he was to take [TS]

00:13:36   them in a car lots of places including [TS]

00:13:38   places that were in the general vicinity [TS]

00:13:40   of where that was and somehow he always [TS]

00:13:42   know always yeah well he and grant was [TS]

00:13:47   always like that with them we take the [TS]

00:13:49   doggie daycare won't take very much [TS]

00:13:50   anymore because we both work out of the [TS]

00:13:51   house now but um when we get close to [TS]

00:13:55   the black or the doggie daycare was it [TS]

00:13:56   starred let's get super excited because [TS]

00:13:59   you know that he was going to just run [TS]

00:14:00   around like an idiot for four hours with [TS]

00:14:02   some other dogs [TS]

00:14:03   aah good stuff so yeah you should get a [TS]

00:14:06   dog [TS]

00:14:08   here let me take a break what better [TS]

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00:16:35   it grows even more it's going to get [TS]

00:16:37   even better [TS]

00:16:37   and here's the other thing you can try [TS]

00:16:40   it for 30 days for free so you don't [TS]

00:16:43   even have to pay them the first ten [TS]

00:16:44   dollars up front to get it you can just [TS]

00:16:46   go there [TS]

00:16:47   signup see how it works see how easy it [TS]

00:16:49   is see how many apps are and at the end [TS]

00:16:51   of the month when it even if it's just [TS]

00:16:53   like one or two of the apps that you [TS]

00:16:55   like you're already getting a pretty [TS]

00:16:56   good deal you just pay ten dollars a [TS]

00:16:59   month so go to set app.com uh it's [TS]

00:17:04   really i I've never has never been [TS]

00:17:05   anybody they've been bundles before many [TS]

00:17:07   times there still are on the Mac where [TS]

00:17:09   you can pay a low fee like you pay fifty [TS]

00:17:12   bucks one time and you get a bundle of [TS]

00:17:14   three or four our five hundred dollars [TS]

00:17:16   worth of apps and there you go there [TS]

00:17:19   have been bundles before Apple several [TS]

00:17:22   years ago introduce the app store which [TS]

00:17:23   is a new thing but there's never been [TS]

00:17:25   anything like this like a subscription [TS]

00:17:27   service where you get apps from entire a [TS]

00:17:31   wide range of indymac developers so I [TS]

00:17:33   really hope this thing takes off i think [TS]

00:17:35   it's already a great value go to set up [TS]

00:17:38   calm and find out more [TS]

00:17:40   no special URL no code they just they [TS]

00:17:42   just want setup com don't know that [TS]

00:17:45   they're doing [TS]

00:17:46   yeah her I'd heard about this and i [TS]

00:17:47   couldn't i didn't know how exactly how [TS]

00:17:50   it works it is as simple as it sounds [TS]

00:17:52   there is no catch [TS]

00:17:53   there is no catch there's no ads there's [TS]

00:17:56   no hook there's no thing we have to pay [TS]

00:17:57   more there's no they're not junior [TS]

00:17:59   versions of the program's it is exactly [TS]

00:18:00   what you need if you're thinking it's [TS]

00:18:02   too good to be true [TS]

00:18:04   it's it's not there is no catch [TS]

00:18:07   if they're the thing I was fine with [TS]

00:18:08   those bundles is they often like [TS]

00:18:10   developers seem to like put they'll put [TS]

00:18:13   their previous version right into the [TS]

00:18:15   bundle because they know the new version [TS]

00:18:17   is coming out soon so they want to get [TS]

00:18:19   you to pay the upgrade price when the [TS]

00:18:21   new version comes out but it's not it's [TS]

00:18:23   you know it when I when I first pitch me [TS]

00:18:26   on it at WWDC that you know they wanted [TS]

00:18:27   a couple minutes with me just to you [TS]

00:18:29   know see what I thought my ideas I i was [TS]

00:18:31   very I got very defensive in the meaning [TS]

00:18:33   not you I like them they're nice people [TS]

00:18:34   but I did because I will tell me what [TS]

00:18:36   the caches and I really my gut feeling [TS]

00:18:38   was you know they were talking like we [TS]

00:18:40   think we know will sponsor daring [TS]

00:18:41   fireball when we come out and and maybe [TS]

00:18:43   the talk show etc and my thought at the [TS]

00:18:46   first moment was I don't know if I'm [TS]

00:18:48   gonna be able to accept this because if [TS]

00:18:49   there's going to be some kind of onerous [TS]

00:18:51   catch that's going to trick people I [TS]

00:18:54   don't you know that you know and there [TS]

00:18:56   is no catch i wouldn't take the [TS]

00:18:57   sponsorship it where it's that simple [TS]

00:18:58   and it's a great deal to go check them [TS]

00:19:00   out [TS]

00:19:00   setup setup com we could parlay that [TS]

00:19:06   into one of the topics i wanted to talk [TS]

00:19:09   about this week was the ipad now with [TS]

00:19:14   this setup is obviously because of the [TS]

00:19:15   nature of iOS it's matt only one of the [TS]

00:19:19   things I've written about this week and [TS]

00:19:20   and was the difference between the ipad [TS]

00:19:29   as a seven-year-old platform and the mac [TS]

00:19:31   as a seven-year-old platform back in [TS]

00:19:32   1991 and just how much more powerful the [TS]

00:19:38   mac was a platform after seven years [TS]

00:19:40   than the ipad is in terms of what I [TS]

00:19:43   struggled to find a term for the self i [TS]

00:19:45   called it self-sufficiency in other [TS]

00:19:47   words can you just use this platform to [TS]

00:19:51   do everything like and two examples of [TS]

00:19:54   things that you can't do on an ipad [TS]

00:19:57   would be you can't make ipad apps on an [TS]

00:19:59   iPad because there's no there's no xcode [TS]

00:20:01   for ipad or anything like you know even [TS]

00:20:03   similar any other example at which i [TS]

00:20:06   think is a little bit more like like a [TS]

00:20:08   head-scratcher is that you can't make [TS]

00:20:10   you can't there's no ibooks author for [TS]

00:20:12   ipad like it's clearer than I iBooks [TS]

00:20:15   Author the the that that format is best [TS]

00:20:20   on ipad you get works on your phone and [TS]

00:20:23   you can read it on your Mac to into the [TS]

00:20:26   iBooks app but when somebody makes one [TS]

00:20:28   of these rich interactive ibooks it is [TS]

00:20:31   no doubt in my mind that it is best on [TS]

00:20:33   an ipad with touch and with the it this [TS]

00:20:37   sort of viewing intimacy of the ipad [TS]

00:20:40   that when you read a book you know it's [TS]

00:20:43   it [TS]

00:20:43   no surprises literally from like the [TS]

00:20:45   2010 ipad announcement with steve jobs [TS]

00:20:49   you know why he had that chair there [TS]

00:20:51   it's a device for like sitting back in a [TS]

00:20:53   chair and reading which is what you do [TS]

00:20:55   with a book but you can't make an ipad [TS]

00:20:58   book on an iPad because there's no ipad [TS]

00:21:01   author or what is I was caught iBooks [TS]

00:21:04   Author i bought the other no no I was [TS]

00:21:06   only a mac up [TS]

00:21:07   and I think that's a little weird i [TS]

00:21:09   think you know like it would have been [TS]

00:21:10   weird if seven years into the mac you [TS]

00:21:12   still couldn't create mac apps on a mac [TS]

00:21:14   and even weirder if you couldn't create [TS]

00:21:16   like the documents you have you want to [TS]

00:21:19   read on the mac on the Mac yeah it seems [TS]

00:21:23   like an easy way I mean it seems like an [TS]

00:21:25   easy one to do I mean like it and not [TS]

00:21:27   necessarily easy like it from a program [TS]

00:21:29   programming perspective but it doesn't [TS]

00:21:32   really ruin their philosophy right to do [TS]

00:21:37   that [TS]

00:21:38   I mean it works with the philosophy and [TS]

00:21:39   rather than against it [TS]

00:21:42   I i think yeah yeah and i think that the [TS]

00:21:46   xcode the idea of xcode on ipad sort of [TS]

00:21:50   works against that philosophy i think i [TS]

00:21:53   think it would happen eventually I think [TS]

00:21:54   and I i'm pretty sure Apple is working [TS]

00:21:56   on a pretty sure there is an Xcode for [TS]

00:21:58   ipad that's been several years in the [TS]

00:22:01   works in cupertino but it's a lower [TS]

00:22:04   priority but I sort of yeah I don't have [TS]

00:22:07   any information on how it works i just [TS]

00:22:08   know that there's a team working on [TS]

00:22:10   something like that but shocker there's [TS]

00:22:11   teams working on just about anything [TS]

00:22:12   that makes sense like that but I kind of [TS]

00:22:15   think though that it might be a [TS]

00:22:18   different way of making apps like I [TS]

00:22:20   don't like the way the xcode works now [TS]

00:22:24   on the mac is a very very unique see [TS]

00:22:27   behind-the-scenes is a very very unique [TS]

00:22:29   see the thing is yes a visual front end [TS]

00:22:35   for a lot of things that run at the [TS]

00:22:36   command line level which isn't really [TS]

00:22:38   there is a unix you know obviously with [TS]

00:22:41   the core OS being the same that's their [TS]

00:22:43   on ipad but i'm not quite sure that that [TS]

00:22:46   works that that work the same way i [TS]

00:22:47   think it might be like a more simplified [TS]

00:22:49   way to make apps they would be relapse [TS]

00:22:51   but more I don't know less less fiddly [TS]

00:22:55   yeah yeah my flash sort of maybe you [TS]

00:23:00   know like like I'm really surprised if i [TS]

00:23:03   would guess that it would work like this [TS]

00:23:05   like that they'd come out with ICANN a [TS]

00:23:07   new way to make apps that's a little [TS]

00:23:08   simpler little bit higher level more [TS]

00:23:11   abstract [TS]

00:23:12   and you could share that same project [TS]

00:23:17   with xcode on the mac so that the one [TS]

00:23:20   you're developing on the ipad you could [TS]

00:23:21   develop on the mac but if you have a [TS]

00:23:22   more complex app or a legacy app that [TS]

00:23:25   was already started on xcode on the mac [TS]

00:23:27   that not every not everything you do on [TS]

00:23:30   the Mac you could do on the ipad version [TS]

00:23:31   but everything you do in your head you [TS]

00:23:33   could do in the app does that make sense [TS]

00:23:35   I could see ya yeah but i think that the [TS]

00:23:38   the iBooks Author thing is more telling [TS]

00:23:40   about Apple's priorities and and where [TS]

00:23:43   they see the ipad i just it because i [TS]

00:23:47   think it in theory it should be there [TS]

00:23:49   and I think one of the reasons it's not [TS]

00:23:52   is sort of proof on this whole like a [TS]

00:23:55   art our people worried about Apple's [TS]

00:23:58   commitment to the future of the mac i [TS]

00:24:00   think it's one of those things that that [TS]

00:24:02   makes my case which I've been arguing on [TS]

00:24:04   the show with the last few guests in [TS]

00:24:05   favor of I don't think Apple has I don't [TS]

00:24:07   think apple is any less committed to the [TS]

00:24:09   mac than at any point in the past i [TS]

00:24:11   think the mac has a bright future and I [TS]

00:24:13   think the fact that they don't have I'd [TS]

00:24:15   you know they see it as fine that I [TS]

00:24:17   books authors mac only is is evidence [TS]

00:24:19   that it was the last time the updated if [TS]

00:24:25   there was a minor update in I looked I [TS]

00:24:27   thought it was like forever ago [TS]

00:24:29   like maybe the bigger problem by books [TS]

00:24:31   authors that they're just not committed [TS]

00:24:32   ibooks period that they sort of lost [TS]

00:24:35   their corporate i don't know i was going [TS]

00:24:40   to say stiffy stiffy write books ever [TS]

00:24:45   since you know since they gets I mean [TS]

00:24:50   thankyou it came out of the gate I mean [TS]

00:24:52   even had a special event just for ibooks [TS]

00:24:55   it was that weird it one off event at [TS]

00:24:58   the yeah what the heck's the name of [TS]

00:25:00   that Museum in New York terrible with [TS]

00:25:03   that stuff like that anyway that the one [TS]

00:25:05   from men in black [TS]

00:25:07   I know it was men in black [TS]

00:25:09   they had a big wasn't media that like in [TS]

00:25:13   the first men in black [TS]

00:25:14   where oh where ya at the beginning [TS]

00:25:18   reactants or he's is the grand [TS]

00:25:20   Guggenheim that tip yeah yeah [TS]

00:25:23   will smith chases an alien at up there [TS]

00:25:26   and that's how you kind of draws the [TS]

00:25:27   attention of the men in black you know [TS]

00:25:30   just as a quick aside computer Peter [TS]

00:25:32   Cohen mentioned this day and Twitter [TS]

00:25:33   which blew my mind [TS]

00:25:34   did you know that you know the guy you [TS]

00:25:36   know better and that the movie the guy [TS]

00:25:40   that they the bug that puts the skin on [TS]

00:25:42   the guy skin on [TS]

00:25:44   oh the this am the alien like I mean [TS]

00:25:50   he's like he's the gaming is like the [TS]

00:25:52   main bad guy right I need you know but [TS]

00:25:54   he skins that he eats the guy enzyme and [TS]

00:25:56   put the skin on the that's Vincent [TS]

00:25:59   D'Onofrio I knew that I didn't know idea [TS]

00:26:01   that blew my mind I was like oh my god [TS]

00:26:03   that's incredible [TS]

00:26:04   yeah anyway I didn't know that he [TS]

00:26:08   doesn't really i think it's easy if it [TS]

00:26:10   doesn't really look like them for more [TS]

00:26:12   than 30 second [TS]

00:26:13   yeah that's right everybody listen to [TS]

00:26:16   him though it's you can definitely hear [TS]

00:26:18   the attempt [TS]

00:26:19   baby i love that movie I maybe I i see [TS]

00:26:25   it as evidence that Apple is committed [TS]

00:26:27   to the mac that they're willing to do it [TS]

00:26:29   i would be frustrated though what I [TS]

00:26:31   would be frustrated and it's fine by me [TS]

00:26:33   because i love the mac i would rather I [TS]

00:26:37   would gladly if somebody said to me you [TS]

00:26:40   can only use out of iphone ipad and mac [TS]

00:26:43   you can only use two of the three for [TS]

00:26:45   the next year and you can't touch the [TS]

00:26:46   other 1i would instantly would take me [TS]

00:26:48   it would take me less time than to say [TS]

00:26:50   it i would just get rid of the ipad i [TS]

00:26:52   was a mac and iphone are all I need ipad [TS]

00:26:55   is totally secondary thing for me [TS]

00:26:59   I in fact I sometimes go like a week and [TS]

00:27:01   I don't even know where the hell my ipad [TS]

00:27:02   is I do like it i use it mostly valued [TS]

00:27:06   I'd swear my most frequent uses in [TS]

00:27:08   baseball season using it as a TV to [TS]

00:27:10   watch yankees games [TS]

00:27:12   yeah yeah that's probably I think [TS]

00:27:15   entertainment is now I used to take it [TS]

00:27:17   when a community of tests yet all it [TS]

00:27:18   would take it to write with the keyboard [TS]

00:27:21   but now it's basically it is to [TS]

00:27:24   basically games in and watching netflix [TS]

00:27:27   anything so for me as somebody who from [TS]

00:27:32   my work wants the mac to remain a [TS]

00:27:34   thriving platform it's music to my ears [TS]

00:27:38   like I would actually be slightly more [TS]

00:27:40   worried if the ipad were more capable [TS]

00:27:42   because it would at least lend some [TS]

00:27:44   credence to the idea that Apple thinks [TS]

00:27:46   the ipad is the future personal [TS]

00:27:48   computing the fact that it isn't even [TS]

00:27:50   after seven years it's actually just [TS]

00:27:52   gives me confidence in their commitment [TS]

00:27:54   to the mac but i'd be frustrated and it [TS]

00:27:56   would be angering to me if I were one of [TS]

00:27:58   the people who is really trying to make [TS]

00:28:00   a go of of using the ipad is there [TS]

00:28:03   full-time platform you know the been [TS]

00:28:04   Brooks's and and veteran goes of the [TS]

00:28:07   world I would find that very frustrating [TS]

00:28:09   because it's the last seven years it [TS]

00:28:11   really makes me think about you know [TS]

00:28:12   this comparison to and if for some [TS]

00:28:16   reason 77 seems like an arbitrary number [TS]

00:28:18   but it's funny because 1991 was when I [TS]

00:28:21   got my first mac i mean i used one [TS]

00:28:22   school before but I didn't own one and [TS]

00:28:24   that's when system 7 came out which I've [TS]

00:28:26   you know it was a big big landmark in i [TS]

00:28:33   mean i think was the landmark yeah the [TS]

00:28:35   early days I would say system 7 was the [TS]

00:28:38   division between the early days of mac [TS]

00:28:40   OS and the later days of mac OS I mean [TS]

00:28:43   and maybe that's a little arbitrary but [TS]

00:28:45   i don't think so I mean it was when they [TS]

00:28:47   changed the whole bunch of things like [TS]

00:28:49   remember when it control panels i forget [TS]

00:28:52   how you used to install and system 6 [TS]

00:28:53   they were sort of more like like [TS]

00:28:55   suitcase type things where ends well [TS]

00:28:58   yeah that's right handed it and yeah [TS]

00:29:00   third party ones were weird and then in [TS]

00:29:02   system 700 panels became a lot more like [TS]

00:29:06   apps where they were just self-contained [TS]

00:29:08   things and you just put them in a folder [TS]

00:29:09   in your stairs you know your system [TS]

00:29:11   folder at the root level and yes I was a [TS]

00:29:12   folder called control panels and you [TS]

00:29:13   just put them in there and you wanted on [TS]

00:29:15   install one you just took it out and [TS]

00:29:17   restarted [TS]

00:29:18   it was a beautiful system that it was it [TS]

00:29:23   yeah but it was your specific or just [TS]

00:29:27   crashed [TS]

00:29:27   oh I disagree I i disagree i really do I [TS]

00:29:31   don't like it when people say that the [TS]

00:29:32   system set from air max crashed all the [TS]

00:29:35   time I think the Ark of the art of being [TS]

00:29:37   a power user on one system 7 aeromax was [TS]

00:29:42   you would start running the basic system [TS]

00:29:44   and you would be let you fall in love [TS]

00:29:46   with the mac and then you'd get into the [TS]

00:29:48   nerd community and you start finding out [TS]

00:29:50   about Annette's yeah and extensions and [TS]

00:29:54   these extensions could sometimes do like [TS]

00:29:56   just change like a little slight thing [TS]

00:29:58   but it's like oh I like that like now [TS]

00:30:00   your mouse cursor is a dog you know and [TS]

00:30:02   right brain and that's kind of easy like [TS]

00:30:06   all that in it would do is just sort of [TS]

00:30:07   swap out the system's cursor and point [TS]

00:30:10   to this other cursor instead and okay [TS]

00:30:12   there you go now your cursor is a smurf [TS]

00:30:14   and you know you'd get more and more you [TS]

00:30:22   know and then all the all the time when [TS]

00:30:23   you go empty trash Oscar papa oscar the [TS]

00:30:26   grouch pops out of your trashcan and [TS]

00:30:27   sings a song which was a door of it like [TS]

00:30:30   if you didn't have the Grouch extension [TS]

00:30:33   installed on your mac for at least a [TS]

00:30:35   month or two then you've got no soul and [TS]

00:30:41   but the broader yeah but the problem is [TS]

00:30:43   it leads to such yeah i mean i think [TS]

00:30:45   what happened was like it in those early [TS]

00:30:46   days we didn't have enough stuff that [TS]

00:30:52   would you know really cause a lot of [TS]

00:30:55   trouble and then as more things came out [TS]

00:30:57   it became worse and worse and worse and [TS]

00:30:59   then you know by the time system it came [TS]

00:31:00   out they had to have other basically put [TS]

00:31:03   a thing in there to manage all your [TS]

00:31:05   wrong with star remember and [TS]

00:31:08   specifically the one that everybody knew [TS]

00:31:10   I mean at least anybody did design work [TS]

00:31:11   had to have an extension called Adobe [TS]

00:31:13   type manager ATM did you have did you [TS]

00:31:16   have ATM or no because you did I don't [TS]

00:31:19   think I did but I didn't do so that I [TS]

00:31:21   think that ATM did was natively the [TS]

00:31:25   system wanted truetype funds [TS]

00:31:27   four vector fonts but almost all of the [TS]

00:31:30   professional fonts that you could buy [TS]

00:31:31   were in postscript format and to get [TS]

00:31:38   them to look wysiwyg on-screen you [TS]

00:31:40   needed adobe type manager apple/system [TS]

00:31:42   didn't natively render PostScript fonts [TS]

00:31:46   and you needed post-grad plans to do [TS]

00:31:49   serious work so you'd have to have ATM [TS]

00:31:50   installed but ATM would load first [TS]

00:31:54   because it starts with an AI mean it [TS]

00:31:56   almost certainly loaded first and if not [TS]

00:31:57   it loaded certainly loaded early but you [TS]

00:32:00   can you had the load at last because it [TS]

00:32:02   it would it conflicted with so much [TS]

00:32:05   stuff you had to load it last so [TS]

00:32:06   everybody i think it even shipped i [TS]

00:32:08   think about when you installed it from [TS]

00:32:10   adobe if you bought it straight up legit [TS]

00:32:12   i forget everything we had to buy maybe [TS]

00:32:14   they gave it away but the way adobe gave [TS]

00:32:15   it to you [TS]

00:32:16   the file was named like tilde 80s and [TS]

00:32:19   our quickfire forget what character was [TS]

00:32:21   before it but it was some kind of [TS]

00:32:23   punctuation character that in Apple's [TS]

00:32:25   sorting algorithm of the time would load [TS]

00:32:27   last and that was a little bit anyway [TS]

00:32:32   in my opinion the curve of being a mac [TS]

00:32:33   power user and note in the nineties was [TS]

00:32:35   you'd start getting more and more [TS]

00:32:37   extensions and remember when you boot [TS]

00:32:39   and you'd see that every time an [TS]

00:32:40   extension loaded you see the icon during [TS]

00:32:42   the boot sequence and then you get a [TS]

00:32:44   second line of them at third line so it [TS]

00:32:48   was like a bell curve you start getting [TS]

00:32:49   a little bomb [TS]

00:32:51   no don't know then they would just stop [TS]

00:32:53   you did it was like one of them was [TS]

00:32:55   loaded and it would just stop and you'd [TS]

00:32:57   be like uh-oh that shit and then you do [TS]

00:33:02   it at you I me everybody remembers you [TS]

00:33:04   gotta remember how did you how did you [TS]

00:33:05   start up and not load extensions of [TS]

00:33:09   course right you didn't have to you [TS]

00:33:10   probably have to think more about it to [TS]

00:33:12   say your hand probably already went to [TS]

00:33:13   the shift key right [TS]

00:33:15   it was just you just had muscle memory [TS]

00:33:18   of how to restart your Mac with the [TS]

00:33:19   shift key down now but then what would [TS]

00:33:21   happen is you max out and you'd be so [TS]

00:33:23   proud of how many extensions you have [TS]

00:33:24   but your Mac would be unstable and then [TS]

00:33:26   all of a sudden you do you would that [TS]

00:33:28   you delight with China and you'd say [TS]

00:33:29   more extensions is not a good thing [TS]

00:33:32   fewer extensions and you should run it [TS]

00:33:34   closer and closer as close as you can to [TS]

00:33:36   the configuration that ships with like [TS]

00:33:38   its a Mac out-of-the-box from app [TS]

00:33:41   all without any other extensions was [TS]

00:33:43   always an extremely stable device now it [TS]

00:33:46   i'm not saying it never crashed I mean [TS]

00:33:47   but usually it was completely in [TS]

00:33:49   applications fault the system itself was [TS]

00:33:50   stable and so by the end of it you know [TS]

00:33:52   by the end of the classic here i added a [TS]

00:33:54   few system extensions as possible [TS]

00:33:56   everyone was one that i felt like i [TS]

00:33:58   could not do without and from a [TS]

00:34:01   reputable vendor yeah and you eat [TS]

00:34:05   development sense right with conflict [TS]

00:34:07   catcher because like yeah if I'm going [TS]

00:34:08   to do like publishing today and then [TS]

00:34:10   i'll do it with my publishing set and [TS]

00:34:12   i'm going to play like a game and I need [TS]

00:34:14   some sort of 3ds and a minimal and any [TS]

00:34:17   other things sometimes if you wanted to [TS]

00:34:18   play a game as you did you reboot with a [TS]

00:34:20   minimal step just to free up as much ram [TS]

00:34:22   is one of all keep it keep it as light [TS]

00:34:24   as possible [TS]

00:34:25   ram don't haha man i love the mag I [TS]

00:34:30   thought I love the classic Mac I i think [TS]

00:34:32   it still is overall a simpler conceptual [TS]

00:34:35   design than Mac os10 I think that was [TS]

00:34:37   tennis way too fiddly and exposes way [TS]

00:34:39   too many goofy bits [TS]

00:34:41   I you know iOS clearly takes the cake [TS]

00:34:43   and and and yeah I become comfortable [TS]

00:34:46   with the goofy because at this point but [TS]

00:34:47   there is a there is a min let the fact [TS]

00:34:50   that you can you can just drag a system [TS]

00:34:52   folder from Mac the Mac and reboot it [TS]

00:34:58   was pretty cool but they're there were [TS]

00:35:02   definitely some parts of the classic Mac [TS]

00:35:05   system that you can cannot defend as [TS]

00:35:08   elegant design like yeah for example by [TS]

00:35:11   the nineties this is just an expert in [TS]

00:35:13   the eighties when it came out it made [TS]

00:35:14   perfect sense but in the nineties by the [TS]

00:35:17   by night it should have been fixed with [TS]

00:35:18   system 7 but I know why it wasn't [TS]

00:35:20   because the legacy reasons that they [TS]

00:35:22   were carrying all this baggage but the [TS]

00:35:23   fact that you had to allocate memory to [TS]

00:35:26   programs with get info [TS]

00:35:28   oh my god for people who are in a [TS]

00:35:31   classic mac OS users what you would do [TS]

00:35:32   is you'd find any application and you go [TS]

00:35:34   get info and in the info it would have a [TS]

00:35:37   text field where it would say how much [TS]

00:35:39   ram was allocated and so developers when [TS]

00:35:42   they ship their apps would buy you know [TS]

00:35:44   typically they would have a basic I'd [TS]

00:35:47   never believed would have you know they [TS]

00:35:49   would ship it with a a pre-configured [TS]

00:35:50   you when you first downloaded the app [TS]

00:35:53   and all that [TS]

00:35:54   it would have a default that was defined [TS]

00:35:56   by the developer so photoshop by default [TS]

00:35:59   would take a lot more ram then you know [TS]

00:36:01   a simple a very simple lightweight app [TS]

00:36:05   that just I don't know capitalizes law [TS]

00:36:07   letters for you or something like that [TS]

00:36:09   but you could as the user it was just a [TS]

00:36:11   text field and get info you could give a [TS]

00:36:13   nap more or less as needed [TS]

00:36:18   it does not seem like something that the [TS]

00:36:21   computer for the rest of us you should [TS]

00:36:23   force you to do you have really you know [TS]

00:36:25   I can't defend them [TS]

00:36:27   yeah I i can remember like it you know [TS]

00:36:29   not that windows 95 was greater and but [TS]

00:36:32   you know at least like some some level [TS]

00:36:34   protected memory was was that the one [TS]

00:36:38   thing that I was like man that would be [TS]

00:36:40   nice to prepare the very not everything [TS]

00:36:43   but I really worried is mac apps had [TS]

00:36:45   programmers who were clever enough to [TS]

00:36:46   get around it so photoshop at a certain [TS]

00:36:48   point used to use a ramdisk its own [TS]

00:36:50   ramdisk and so you didn't have to you [TS]

00:36:55   could open big files in Photoshop and [TS]

00:36:57   not have to really worry about having [TS]

00:36:59   given it enough rent it would do it on [TS]

00:37:01   its own and BB and famously was able to [TS]

00:37:03   operate with a very small it was like [TS]

00:37:06   that that the instructions for BB Edward [TS]

00:37:08   do not screw with the default amount of [TS]

00:37:10   ram it doesn't need much and bbedit had [TS]

00:37:14   a a a brilliant scheme where you can [TS]

00:37:17   open files you know it as big as the [TS]

00:37:20   text file is how much ram PB and it [TS]

00:37:22   needs to to display it but it could be [TS]

00:37:24   way more than what the app had because [TS]

00:37:26   it would allocate the memory outside of [TS]

00:37:28   that allocation that you got from get [TS]

00:37:30   info it managed so memory separately [TS]

00:37:32   which was fantastic but neither here nor [TS]

00:37:36   there [TS]

00:37:39   I don't know what do I would be [TS]

00:37:40   frustrated if I were at ipad first user [TS]

00:37:43   I guess it really depends on what your [TS]

00:37:45   means just depends what you're doing I [TS]

00:37:47   think there's there's definitely there [TS]

00:37:50   are definitely things that i do that [TS]

00:37:51   would be I would find frustrating but I [TS]

00:37:53   don't do them that often i think I'm [TS]

00:37:56   somebody who probably could do most of [TS]

00:37:59   my work on and I I there's no way I'm [TS]

00:38:02   because it's mostly mostly i'm writing [TS]

00:38:04   and then I'm taking it and i use Ulysses [TS]

00:38:07   which is one of those apps and Santana [TS]

00:38:08   and that's in setup and I i write it up [TS]

00:38:13   and then I taken i'd put it someplace [TS]

00:38:15   you know i usually either either take [TS]

00:38:17   the file and send it to somebody or a [TS]

00:38:19   posted into some sort of web-based and [TS]

00:38:22   CMS so how would you get recordings [TS]

00:38:26   jihad cast [TS]

00:38:27   well that's it that's it that's one [TS]

00:38:29   thing right [TS]

00:38:31   you can't mean you can report record [TS]

00:38:34   podcasts on iOS devices i have not done [TS]

00:38:37   it yet it's but it's jumping through a [TS]

00:38:39   whole bunch of Hoops whereas there's [TS]

00:38:40   like 10 different there's ten different [TS]

00:38:42   easy ways to record a podcast on a mac [TS]

00:38:46   at least right you just open i'm using [TS]

00:38:48   two separate ones right now I ya know i [TS]

00:38:51   guess i'm just using one but that's [TS]

00:38:53   you're probably smarter than me [TS]

00:38:55   well it's because it's becoming a [TS]

00:38:57   problem with it like you can record you [TS]

00:38:59   just have these other apps running and [TS]

00:39:01   you know or i use call recorder which is [TS]

00:39:03   an extension for skype and there's no [TS]

00:39:05   way that you can install an extension [TS]

00:39:07   for an app on ipad yeah and it's just [TS]

00:39:12   know it [TS]

00:39:12   I don't know it's just another example [TS]

00:39:13   of the type of thing and I know that [TS]

00:39:15   I've listened to a couple of podcasts [TS]

00:39:17   where there's like a web-based thing [TS]

00:39:20   that somebody's working i forget the [TS]

00:39:22   name of it i heard smell talking about [TS]

00:39:24   it recently [TS]

00:39:25   ok edit yeah you can like record too [TS]

00:39:29   it's like a way that they could kind of [TS]

00:39:30   people can get on and you just use I [TS]

00:39:32   think it's ridiculous that the answer to [TS]

00:39:34   getting people to record podcasts on an [TS]

00:39:37   ipad is to use a web app instead of a [TS]

00:39:38   native app because it the gist of it is [TS]

00:39:40   that all you need is the microphone then [TS]

00:39:42   and the server side does the recording [TS]

00:39:44   you know like it records that the webapp [TS]

00:39:46   records little bit and as you go keep [TS]

00:39:49   sending it to the server so like if the [TS]

00:39:51   connection breaks or whatever [TS]

00:39:52   it's not you know you don't lose the [TS]

00:39:54   whole the only lose like a couple [TS]

00:39:55   seconds at a time I think it's [TS]

00:39:58   ridiculous that it's not a local thing [TS]

00:40:00   that the solution is to do it all on the [TS]

00:40:02   web [TS]

00:40:03   anyway at the gist of it is that in in [TS]

00:40:05   the midst of all of this months-long [TS]

00:40:06   storm and drunk / i think apple is I [TS]

00:40:10   think apples you know abandoning the mac [TS]

00:40:12   i think they're trying to force all to [TS]

00:40:13   use iPads and in the midst of all this [TS]

00:40:16   I've been more or less on the side of i [TS]

00:40:18   don't think so i really think the max [TS]

00:40:20   fine but I think lost in this is the [TS]

00:40:23   opposite which is at the ipad is nowhere [TS]

00:40:26   near as powerful as it should be at this [TS]

00:40:28   point in time you should be able to [TS]

00:40:30   record a video you know have that record [TS]

00:40:33   a podcast you know three native apps [TS]

00:40:35   there should be a way to have two apps [TS]

00:40:36   at a time using the microphone so that [TS]

00:40:38   one could be skype sending the [TS]

00:40:40   communication over the Internet and the [TS]

00:40:42   other one can be a call recorder type [TS]

00:40:44   thing [TS]

00:40:45   there's no way there's no reason you [TS]

00:40:46   shouldn't be able to do that I yeah I [TS]

00:40:51   add I don't know I'd be frustrated i [TS]

00:40:53   think that that is it different is it [TS]

00:40:55   still just the thing of like walking [TS]

00:40:57   into agreements and maybe I don't do we [TS]

00:41:00   keep coming back to that right but [TS]

00:41:02   particular i don't know i don't know you [TS]

00:41:05   know maybe I think the other thing to [TS]

00:41:07   have been thinking about this a lot [TS]

00:41:08   lately too is where does this idea that [TS]

00:41:10   the that the ipad is that Apple is going [TS]

00:41:12   to push the sweeping up Mac aside in [TS]

00:41:15   favor of the ipad i think a large part [TS]

00:41:17   comes down to what Tim Cook said when [TS]

00:41:22   they debuted in the ipad pro where tim [TS]

00:41:25   cook right ahead i don't have it in [TS]

00:41:27   front of me but it's something to the [TS]

00:41:29   effect of these it means that he doesn't [TS]

00:41:31   somehow he never said that he's never [TS]

00:41:33   said that he has said that he took I [TS]

00:41:36   think he said that he's travelled only [TS]

00:41:37   with an ipad but it like like when he [TS]

00:41:41   went to find out when he went to when he [TS]

00:41:44   invited ABC News into is his office in [TS]

00:41:47   cupertino to do an interview about the [TS]

00:41:48   FBI sanburne Bernardino case there's a [TS]

00:41:53   big imac on his desk is not a 5k imac on [TS]

00:41:55   his desk so I mean he's got one on his [TS]

00:41:57   desk like it if he didn't use it i can't [TS]

00:41:59   imagine why you have it on his desk [TS]

00:42:01   I find it very hard to believe that team [TS]

00:42:04   coaches not using Mac I would be shocked [TS]

00:42:06   if he actually said that he has said [TS]

00:42:08   that he travels only with an ipad has [TS]

00:42:10   said that he thinks there's many people [TS]

00:42:11   many users who can get by with only an [TS]

00:42:13   ipad but i think it was his words that [TS]

00:42:15   this is are the best like example of our [TS]

00:42:21   vision for the future of personal [TS]

00:42:23   computing you know said something to the [TS]

00:42:25   effect of that and I think that it was I [TS]

00:42:28   i if you take it literally it sort of [TS]

00:42:30   sounds like yeah he's saying that this [TS]

00:42:33   is going to be the future and and [TS]

00:42:34   everything else like the men you know [TS]

00:42:36   which would include the mac is is by the [TS]

00:42:37   way so I think he was just selling the [TS]

00:42:39   ipad pro I I don't really think he meant [TS]

00:42:41   it that way i think that you know i [TS]

00:42:45   think that the better i mean the press [TS]

00:42:48   the problem is that you know you have [TS]

00:42:48   that you have that statement you have [TS]

00:42:50   some release you know I think there's a [TS]

00:42:51   there's a cat least a couple statements [TS]

00:42:52   that he's made about stuff like that and [TS]

00:42:54   then and then the early every year like [TS]

00:42:57   2016 where they don't really update the [TS]

00:42:59   matter much and they have the desktop [TS]

00:43:03   ones are just surrender [TS]

00:43:04   I think that so the convergence of those [TS]

00:43:07   two things and make them think but I [TS]

00:43:09   don't think that it was an example you [TS]

00:43:11   know not right they didn't update the [TS]

00:43:12   ipad they haven't updated the ipad and [TS]

00:43:14   over a year either right well didn't [TS]

00:43:17   that the 12 what the the pro the smaller [TS]

00:43:22   pro came out and April right now could [TS]

00:43:25   ya last April so it will be if they have [TS]

00:43:28   our march i guess you'll be it'll be a [TS]

00:43:30   year [TS]

00:43:30   yeah yeah yeah they didn't write it in [TS]

00:43:32   the fall which they live right and yeah [TS]

00:43:34   like sand so the 12-inch 13 inch iPad [TS]

00:43:36   pro hasn't been updated now in over a [TS]

00:43:38   year [TS]

00:43:39   it came out alongside the the iphone [TS]

00:43:41   last year or at least it was debuted [TS]

00:43:43   alongside the iphone came out in October [TS]

00:43:45   whatever but that's been unchanged for [TS]

00:43:48   over a year so I don't think I i think [TS]

00:43:51   that lack of updates to hardware should [TS]

00:43:52   not are not necessarily indicative of [TS]

00:43:54   their commitment to to the platform [TS]

00:43:58   I think that the annual update to the OS [TS]

00:44:00   is a better sign of their commitment to [TS]

00:44:01   the platform [TS]

00:44:03   yeah I don't know what the explanation [TS]

00:44:06   is but i'd be frustrated I i would the [TS]

00:44:12   Ulysses was my description of it's sort [TS]

00:44:14   of like an ide for writing is that is [TS]

00:44:16   that a good description [TS]

00:44:17   wake up yeah yeah yeah I mean it's uh to [TS]

00:44:21   me it and I used to write in bbedit all [TS]

00:44:24   the time and mostly right mark down and [TS]

00:44:27   so what I wanted something that was [TS]

00:44:29   better at arranging the files so Ulysses [TS]

00:44:33   is like that it gives you know you can [TS]

00:44:36   create folders and projects and stuff [TS]

00:44:39   like that you know it's it's somewhere [TS]

00:44:41   in between [TS]

00:44:42   you know it's like between bbedit and [TS]

00:44:44   the Scrivener you know it's not as fancy [TS]

00:44:47   Scrivener it doesn't have you know [TS]

00:44:50   things for writing scripts and things [TS]

00:44:51   like that it you can't put mean you can [TS]

00:44:54   we can't put pictures in and like you [TS]

00:44:56   know scrapbook stuff that when you're [TS]

00:44:58   building characters and things that you [TS]

00:44:59   know things to write books you're [TS]

00:45:01   reading of like a full book you probably [TS]

00:45:02   want to use Scrivener but you could [TS]

00:45:04   write a full book and universities to [TS]

00:45:05   and it has an ipad version in the end [TS]

00:45:08   they sink right yeah [TS]

00:45:10   yep yep and that's the nice thing I me [TS]

00:45:12   and iso it works on iphone ipad and and [TS]

00:45:15   the map it's always in been one of those [TS]

00:45:17   apps that peach sort of appeals to me [TS]

00:45:19   but never never pushes me over the edge [TS]

00:45:21   it took me awhile it really took me a [TS]

00:45:23   while to get used to that i've been [TS]

00:45:24   using bb-8 for years and I couldn't get [TS]

00:45:30   used to it but then finally I think it [TS]

00:45:32   was like one of the recent update so [TS]

00:45:33   i've been using it for cat two years a [TS]

00:45:39   year and a half something like that and [TS]

00:45:42   very happy with i still use bbedit for [TS]

00:45:45   certain things but and you know I know [TS]

00:45:46   Apple has done apple has some of their [TS]

00:45:48   apps that work great [TS]

00:45:49   cross-platform i think that the i have [TS]

00:45:52   complaints about the mac version of [TS]

00:45:53   photos being not mac like enough and [TS]

00:45:56   sort of it just feels like an app [TS]

00:45:57   written by iOS just programmers not mad [TS]

00:46:01   programmers by in terms of actually [TS]

00:46:04   sinking and having photos that i take my [TS]

00:46:06   iphone just magically appear on my mac [TS]

00:46:09   and changes you know I edited by [TS]

00:46:11   straightening you know I one of the [TS]

00:46:13   things I mean I take thousands of photos [TS]

00:46:15   year and [TS]

00:46:16   like not serious but like semi-serious [TS]

00:46:18   you know I don't like a four thousand [TS]

00:46:21   dollar canon SLR you know with counting [TS]

00:46:24   the lenses i cannot take a straight [TS]

00:46:26   picture I mean 20 years into avid [TS]

00:46:29   amateur photography hobby i stopped [TS]

00:46:32   every almost every photo i take the [TS]

00:46:34   horizon is coming is crooked [TS]

00:46:36   so like straightening images is just I [TS]

00:46:39   do it all the time and i love these [TS]

00:46:40   straighten it on it doesn't matter which [TS]

00:46:41   device you straighten it on there it is [TS]

00:46:42   it's synced up to your iCloud I love it [TS]

00:46:44   and I works suite now that they've you [TS]

00:46:48   know they had hit the reset button [TS]

00:46:49   you know four years there was like the [TS]

00:46:51   iOS versions which had a certain file [TS]

00:46:53   format and the mac versions which had [TS]

00:46:56   file formats that couldn't round trip [TS]

00:46:58   because it used features and hit the [TS]

00:47:00   reset button and the the only way to do [TS]

00:47:02   it is to sort of set the mac back but [TS]

00:47:05   they've gotten them to the point now [TS]

00:47:06   where most of what did the mac apps [TS]

00:47:09   could always do they can do everywhere [TS]

00:47:10   now you know so that I work sounds very [TS]

00:47:12   good example but Ulysses just shows that [TS]

00:47:14   third-party developers and I think a lot [TS]

00:47:16   of ways are better are doing a better [TS]

00:47:18   job of making the ipad appear to the mac [TS]

00:47:21   of a peer not appear [TS]

00:47:26   Yeah Yeah right a sibling a full-fledged [TS]

00:47:29   sibling to the man whose annapolis you [TS]

00:47:31   know and with ibooks author yeah as [TS]

00:47:33   Exhibit A [TS]

00:47:34   yeah it's a fairly I mean it's a [TS]

00:47:38   relatively simple a podium and I'm not [TS]

00:47:41   trying to that's proud that came out [TS]

00:47:43   wrong [TS]

00:47:43   I mean that's one of the things I like [TS]

00:47:45   about it it's not there are there aren't [TS]

00:47:47   like a huge number of bells and whistles [TS]

00:47:49   and and it you know it lets you get into [TS]

00:47:51   the writing which is what i want to do [TS]

00:47:52   but it gives me enough flexibility in [TS]

00:47:54   terms of arranging things that it's it's [TS]

00:47:57   got exactly what i want so it it you [TS]

00:48:03   know it doesn't have to do anything [TS]

00:48:05   super freaky like me and stuff that's [TS]

00:48:10   not allowed on I know what else is doing [TS]

00:48:12   it all [TS]

00:48:13   I'm amazing job on on treating the ipad [TS]

00:48:16   as it as a first-class platform for [TS]

00:48:19   creative people is on the group [TS]

00:48:22   yeah I it then again I I think better [TS]

00:48:26   than apple III really do OS yeah well i [TS]

00:48:29   think the I mean they're like they're [TS]

00:48:31   that the forefront and they made that [TS]

00:48:33   decision and I mean I assuming that is [TS]

00:48:38   working out well enough with my dad my [TS]

00:48:41   whole job but my understanding is you [TS]

00:48:43   always look at rapid I thought but it [TS]

00:48:45   they really it and i think that they did [TS]

00:48:48   it in a way where the mac versions of [TS]

00:48:49   their apps never suffered like they the [TS]

00:48:51   mac versions of Omnius never had like an [TS]

00:48:53   18-month period where they were like one [TS]

00:48:57   step forward two steps back to get iOS [TS]

00:48:59   compatibility so it really i mean i [TS]

00:49:02   would hold them up as a better example [TS]

00:49:03   than apple of of how to get you know [TS]

00:49:07   ipad version of mac versions that just [TS]

00:49:10   work together [TS]

00:49:11   yeah and they did you see that can case [TS]

00:49:14   founder co-founder of of the Army Group [TS]

00:49:17   CEO he had his annual you know here's [TS]

00:49:20   what you know here's what 2016 was for [TS]

00:49:23   us and here's what we're looking at in [TS]

00:49:26   did you see that post um I'll put it in [TS]

00:49:31   the show notes I I swear to god I'm [TS]

00:49:32   typing it in right now [TS]

00:49:33   here we go the one of the i won't go [TS]

00:49:38   into details on the app I basis but one [TS]

00:49:40   of the things that was fascinating about [TS]

00:49:42   it is that they have hired salsaria hand [TS]

00:49:47   who was formerly a long time Apple [TS]

00:49:49   evangelist need for not automation [TS]

00:49:53   technologies i believe was what his [TS]

00:49:55   group was called which was Apple script [TS]

00:49:58   and automator and you know stuff in that [TS]

00:50:03   area and Sal left Apple visit to the [TS]

00:50:09   early December somewhere around there [TS]

00:50:10   and [TS]

00:50:12   seemingly you know the details are not [TS]

00:50:16   public but it's you know the gist of it [TS]

00:50:18   and and sell had a piece that he wrote [TS]

00:50:20   for mac stories you know it's suggesting [TS]

00:50:24   that Apple seems to think that [TS]

00:50:26   extensions are the future of automation [TS]

00:50:28   meaning like this little sharing sheet [TS]

00:50:30   things that you have now where you can [TS]

00:50:32   like if you have the you know I'd like a [TS]

00:50:36   but I i use a bookmarking service called [TS]

00:50:38   pinboard and I have an app called pinner [TS]

00:50:40   on my iPhone and when I have a URL and [TS]

00:50:42   go to share it I get a little extension [TS]

00:50:44   up there that says add add to pin board [TS]

00:50:46   and i can just tap that anything that [TS]

00:50:48   goes that that sort of thing is the [TS]

00:50:50   future of automation and it's not like [TS]

00:50:52   scripting or something like that which [TS]

00:50:54   is it extensions are great but it's a [TS]

00:50:57   totally separate thing it's like saying [TS]

00:50:59   it really is like saying the future of [TS]

00:51:01   citrus is Apple's you know it's like [TS]

00:51:03   that's not citrus you know you know mean [TS]

00:51:06   apples are great but we need oranges and [TS]

00:51:07   lemons limes something you can't you [TS]

00:51:09   know what you're gonna do what you gonna [TS]

00:51:10   do if you make a martini you can put a [TS]

00:51:12   goddamn apple peel in it you need lemon [TS]

00:51:15   peel and that's a terrible analogy [TS]

00:51:17   because this but anyway anyway in case i [TS]

00:51:23   revealed in is your interview thing that [TS]

00:51:26   the army group has been consulting with [TS]

00:51:28   Sal since he left Apple like and they're [TS]

00:51:31   smart it's just one of those ways where [TS]

00:51:33   the only group is so smart where it's [TS]

00:51:34   like Sal says well after 20 years i'm [TS]

00:51:37   leaving Apple and the army group was [TS]

00:51:38   like perfect let's get him [TS]

00:51:40   yeah right yeah well around here right [TS]

00:51:44   now be theirs yeah we had a bunch of [TS]

00:51:46   other companies like oh sure we should [TS]

00:51:47   we should get a lot now that mean that [TS]

00:51:50   you mentioned that remember that [TS]

00:51:51   remember that I'm hearing about right at [TS]

00:51:53   any rate and I don't think I mean they [TS]

00:51:55   don't they don't really like him yet [TS]

00:51:57   right but they have a day revealed a [TS]

00:51:59   demo anyway they've got engineers [TS]

00:52:00   working on Harleys an engineer and [TS]

00:52:04   working on a a cross-platform scripting [TS]

00:52:08   system for the omni group apps [TS]

00:52:13   uh it but it's now how's that gonna work [TS]

00:52:16   you know there's like on the Mac there's [TS]

00:52:18   the the Apple script is there it's part [TS]

00:52:20   of the system [TS]

00:52:21   I mean it's really the osa but it's [TS]

00:52:22   apple events are part of the system and [TS]

00:52:24   there's a standard way for developers to [TS]

00:52:26   add scripting support to their apps and [TS]

00:52:30   that the same way that you know the same [TS]

00:52:33   things that you do as a developer to [TS]

00:52:34   make your appt scriptable by Apple [TS]

00:52:36   script or JavaScript which is in our [TS]

00:52:38   first class officially supported [TS]

00:52:39   language for scripting apps on mac also [TS]

00:52:42   it is along the lines of doing this it's [TS]

00:52:44   the same work that you have to do to get [TS]

00:52:45   automator support for your app so you [TS]

00:52:48   can make your appt part of an automator [TS]

00:52:50   process [TS]

00:52:52   you can't do it there's no apple events [TS]

00:52:56   on iOS so if in and there's no real [TS]

00:52:58   alternative to it so the army group is [TS]

00:53:00   doing her own thing [TS]

00:53:02   forget what they're calling it but it's [TS]

00:53:04   based on JavaScript because part of the [TS]

00:53:07   reason that you know developers is that [TS]

00:53:09   it's tricky for developers to do [TS]

00:53:10   something like this is that of the rules [TS]

00:53:12   for the app store on iOS or that you [TS]

00:53:14   can't add an interpreter to your app in [TS]

00:53:18   other words you can't have an app that [TS]

00:53:20   makes apps even if it runs within its [TS]

00:53:22   something but what you can do is use the [TS]

00:53:25   system version of java script that comes [TS]

00:53:27   with WebKit and so you can use [TS]

00:53:29   javascript javascript that comes with [TS]

00:53:31   the system and it presumably that's what [TS]

00:53:34   Apple's origami is doing because they're [TS]

00:53:35   saying that they're there they're [TS]

00:53:38   scripting technology is based on on [TS]

00:53:40   JavaScript but the gist of it is in and [TS]

00:53:43   there's an example script that they show [TS]

00:53:45   an animation of that I guess Sal wrote [TS]

00:53:46   we make a rectangle and then you make a [TS]

00:53:50   circle out of the rectangle and color it [TS]

00:53:52   green and in position at a certain point [TS]

00:53:54   it's it's his scripting there they're [TS]

00:53:57   drawing up on the gravel and that the [TS]

00:53:59   same scripts are going to be [TS]

00:54:00   cross-platform mac and iOS which is [TS]

00:54:02   really we haven't had that it's great [TS]

00:54:04   but it to me i read this and I think [TS]

00:54:07   this is great and it makes you know it [TS]

00:54:10   helps establish on the is like the [TS]

00:54:12   leading indeed apple developer apple [TS]

00:54:15   platform developer today but this is the [TS]

00:54:17   sort of thing that should be coming from [TS]

00:54:18   Apple not from a third-party developer [TS]

00:54:20   it should be the same thing for it for [TS]

00:54:21   all apps [TS]

00:54:23   I mean that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:54:24   applescript nice everyone about the [TS]

00:54:25   language but one of the reason [TS]

00:54:26   it's a great technology was before Apple [TS]

00:54:28   script in the early days of the Mack [TS]

00:54:31   there were any app that wanted to have [TS]

00:54:33   like an automation and we used to call [TS]

00:54:35   macros nobody uses the word macro [TS]

00:54:37   anymore but it's the same idea right but [TS]

00:54:40   any app that had macros or something [TS]

00:54:42   like that had their own thing [TS]

00:54:45   it was all at you know it that's how I [TS]

00:54:48   since I got into that's like what i [TS]

00:54:51   started my career in IIT was basically [TS]

00:54:54   doing macros so high with the a guy came [TS]

00:54:57   to work in the financial department and [TS]

00:54:59   they had all these spreadsheets that [TS]

00:55:00   they were doing you know all this stuff [TS]

00:55:02   manually and so I started out just by [TS]

00:55:04   taking taking it excel and just in doing [TS]

00:55:08   like arrowing of having an arrow over [TS]

00:55:11   arrow through cells instead of like [TS]

00:55:13   really learning anything before I [TS]

00:55:15   learned how to do any kind of [TS]

00:55:15   programming it was just like down [TS]

00:55:18   oneself down one cell types filter / / / [TS]

00:55:21   copy but you know like that kind of [TS]

00:55:23   thing just like very deliberately [TS]

00:55:25   telling it exactly what i would do by [TS]

00:55:27   hand and then slowly working into like [TS]

00:55:31   learning [TS]

00:55:32   yeah visual basic for applications like [TS]

00:55:38   that's my that's my nightmare background [TS]

00:55:40   but I i forget the name that there was a [TS]

00:55:42   prior to about it was a competitor for [TS]

00:55:45   years with bbedit i think was called [TS]

00:55:47   alpha there was a programming text [TS]

00:55:49   editor for the mac and it used tickle [TS]

00:55:52   TCL as a scripting language which was it [TS]

00:55:56   wasn't like its own invention of the [TS]

00:55:57   language but what they did it was an [TS]

00:55:58   open-source scripting language that i [TS]

00:55:59   think is largely fallen out of favor and [TS]

00:56:01   andrew recent decades but you know it's [TS]

00:56:05   a sort of scripting language for anybody [TS]

00:56:06   could look at it and sort of get the [TS]

00:56:08   gist of oh yeah and I mean it wasn't [TS]

00:56:09   like a weird language it was like I kind [TS]

00:56:11   of see what's going on here [TS]

00:56:12   mhm but they embedded the interpreter in [TS]

00:56:15   their app and no but no other mac app is [TS]

00:56:17   tickle so anything you did that you are [TS]

00:56:18   scripting it was only within the text [TS]

00:56:20   editor itself there was no way to to do [TS]

00:56:23   something with text and then send it to [TS]

00:56:25   excel or whatever Apple you know having [TS]

00:56:28   it as the system level technology is [TS]

00:56:30   what made that possible and and the fact [TS]

00:56:33   that iOS doesn't have it and the fact [TS]

00:56:35   that it doesn't you know if reading [TS]

00:56:37   between the lines of what Sal as [TS]

00:56:39   has said publicly since he left doesn't [TS]

00:56:42   seem like it's in the plans either so I [TS]

00:56:44   think that's kind of worrisome [TS]

00:56:45   yeah and we'd meet again another sign [TS]

00:56:49   that it would make me angry if I were an [TS]

00:56:50   iOS user would all right let's take a [TS]

00:56:54   break and and tell you about our good [TS]

00:56:56   friends at Squarespace next time you [TS]

00:56:59   need a website just go to squarespace [TS]

00:57:01   and and and give it like an hour and [TS]

00:57:03   just start making a website there click [TS]

00:57:06   a template find find the basic template [TS]

00:57:08   of the type of site you need and they [TS]

00:57:09   just they have things to pick from so [TS]

00:57:11   like let's say you're making a blog he [TS]

00:57:14   would tell you here's here's you know [TS]

00:57:16   start with a blog or let's say you want [TS]

00:57:18   to sell stuff like somebody you know is [TS]

00:57:20   making it a go [TS]

00:57:22   you know a bunch of crafts or something [TS]

00:57:23   like that and they want to sell you just [TS]

00:57:25   say I want to build a store and taste it [TS]

00:57:27   just starts with that as the sort of and [TS]

00:57:30   then you pick styles like what type of [TS]

00:57:31   font and colors and stuff like that they [TS]

00:57:34   have a slew of professionally designed [TS]

00:57:36   templates i mean i don't know how many [TS]

00:57:38   but so many so many that you don't have [TS]

00:57:40   to worry about the fact that like oh if [TS]

00:57:42   I go to squarespace it's gonna look like [TS]

00:57:43   a square space it-it's like they have so [TS]

00:57:45   many templates you don't have to worry [TS]

00:57:46   about that it's you can make something [TS]

00:57:48   that looks totally original it and you [TS]

00:57:50   just click and drag you just drag which [TS]

00:57:53   components you want it's very visual [TS]

00:57:56   you don't have to do any coding what so [TS]

00:57:59   ever it is a completely drag-and-drop [TS]

00:58:02   visual tool very much as we talk about [TS]

00:58:07   these retro things like in a way that [TS]

00:58:09   illustrator never ever ever in made you [TS]

00:58:12   write postscript to get vector art [TS]

00:58:14   Squarespace never makes you see HTML or [TS]

00:58:17   CSS or JavaScript to make a totally [TS]

00:58:20   dynamic modern website that it has [TS]

00:58:23   everything you'd want on a modern [TS]

00:58:24   website including scalability from [TS]

00:58:26   phones to tablets to big 27 inch [TS]

00:58:28   displays could not be a better way to do [TS]

00:58:31   it and handle everything they handle [TS]

00:58:33   everything you can register your domain [TS]

00:58:35   with them to get your domain name they [TS]

00:58:37   host it all [TS]

00:58:38   you don't need to separate hosting [TS]

00:58:39   account it's not like you build a [TS]

00:58:40   website with squarespace and you get a [TS]

00:58:42   folder full of files that you have to [TS]

00:58:44   upload and install on a hosting account [TS]

00:58:45   they host it they host it's just all [TS]

00:58:48   self-contained from getting a domain to [TS]

00:58:50   hosting it to showing you traffic and [TS]

00:58:53   dats and great analytics way better its [TS]

00:58:56   Squarespace analytics are so much better [TS]

00:58:58   than anything I have a daring fireball [TS]

00:58:59   it's absolutely embarrassing you can [TS]

00:59:02   lock down your next move with unique [TS]

00:59:04   domain your own website that they will [TS]

00:59:06   host and any second any type of site you [TS]

00:59:10   need to make so go to squarespace.com [TS]

00:59:11   and just go to squarespace.com / talk [TS]

00:59:17   show [TS]

00:59:17   that's the code and just remember that [TS]

00:59:19   code talk show and when you pay you can [TS]

00:59:22   start for free but when you do pay [TS]

00:59:23   because it's going to build a site near [TS]

00:59:25   like I want to keep it i want to cite to [TS]

00:59:26   keep going to use that code talk show [TS]

00:59:28   and you get ten percent off you can pay [TS]

00:59:31   for a year at a time and save a ton of [TS]

00:59:32   dough by using that code so remember [TS]

00:59:34   that are good friends [TS]

00:59:36   Squarespace love them that's what you [TS]

00:59:37   should go to build your next website uh [TS]

00:59:41   watch the superbowl know i wish i hadn't [TS]

00:59:46   but I now I expect the head quipped that [TS]

00:59:50   I was the guy was the real winner [TS]

00:59:52   because i did not watch this [TS]

00:59:53   I wish I had Wow as a somebody of people [TS]

00:59:55   scratch on the atlanta falcons that's [TS]

00:59:59   heartbreaking [TS]

00:59:59   heartbreaking [TS]

01:00:00   ya know it's just it's really two teams [TS]

01:00:04   that I just don't I didn't care about it [TS]

01:00:05   also i'm just saying i thought i can [TS]

01:00:10   watch the you know they can watch the [TS]

01:00:11   commercial here [TS]

01:00:12   ah i wrote a little bit well you're [TS]

01:00:16   something here's a story that came out [TS]

01:00:18   it they're not new but two stories came [TS]

01:00:21   out in the last two days there's a fast [TS]

01:00:23   company story by gonna get his name Mark [TS]

01:00:28   Sullivan it came out yesterday and [TS]

01:00:31   headline why apple's 10th anniversary [TS]

01:00:33   iphone will likely cost more than a [TS]

01:00:35   thousand dollars and the gist of it is [TS]

01:00:38   that according to this guy says he has [TS]

01:00:40   he has a source with knowledge of apples [TS]

01:00:42   plans that's how he attributed doesn't [TS]

01:00:44   say where the sources from is it from [TS]

01:00:46   apple is it from the supply chain is it [TS]

01:00:48   a bartender at bjs in cupertino I don't [TS]

01:00:52   know but this guy has source and he says [TS]

01:00:54   that what Apple is going to do next year [TS]

01:00:56   is coming out with the iphone 7s and the [TS]

01:01:01   iphone 7s plus which would be exactly in [TS]

01:01:04   line with the past couple of years where [TS]

01:01:06   they just take the new number version [TS]

01:01:10   and then add an ass [TS]

01:01:11   I mean it doesn't say it's going to call [TS]

01:01:12   this but they're gonna look exactly like [TS]

01:01:14   the seven and seven plus not like sort [TS]

01:01:18   of like it like the way that the seven [TS]

01:01:20   sort of looks like the iphone 6 and 6s [TS]

01:01:21   but they are also going to introduce a [TS]

01:01:25   new even though they're going to come [TS]

01:01:27   out with a 77 s plus with new stuff [TS]

01:01:29   they're also going to come out with an [TS]

01:01:31   all-new industrial design with that [TS]

01:01:35   that's and then we'll have an oled [TS]

01:01:36   display and it's going to go edge and [TS]

01:01:39   it's going to be five point eight inches [TS]

01:01:41   instead of five and it's gonna cost more [TS]

01:01:44   so even though they're going to [TS]

01:01:45   introduce 7 s and 70 s plus they're [TS]

01:01:47   going to it instead of having them debut [TS]

01:01:50   at the top of the line there's going to [TS]

01:01:52   be this new iphone that's going to debut [TS]

01:01:54   at the top of the line at an even higher [TS]

01:01:55   price starting it more than a thousand [TS]

01:01:57   dollars that's not really the [TS]

01:02:00   thousand-dollar thing isn't ridiculous [TS]

01:02:01   because if you buy the high-end iphone 7 [TS]

01:02:04   plus it is like 900 $69 so it's already [TS]

01:02:08   they've already the top-of-the-line most [TS]

01:02:10   expensive iphone is already roughly a [TS]

01:02:13   thousand dollars so it's not [TS]

01:02:14   preposterous that the starting point of [TS]

01:02:18   a new high-end mission 1 would be a [TS]

01:02:20   thousand dollars uh-huh [TS]

01:02:22   so this is a five-point in this is the [TS]

01:02:25   eighth well they're saying they don't [TS]

01:02:26   know the name and he they're saying Evan [TS]

01:02:28   says which would which is what we've [TS]

01:02:30   maybe heard of those the pro-life I [TS]

01:02:33   think iphone pro if they entered this [TS]

01:02:34   was actually the more likely name in my [TS]

01:02:36   opinion but we can get that because he [TS]

01:02:39   also says the new 5.8 inch phone will [TS]

01:02:41   probably be called the iphone 8 but this [TS]

01:02:44   is Mark Sullivan writing but some [TS]

01:02:45   believe Apple will call it the [TS]

01:02:47   parentheses far cooler sounding and [TS]

01:02:50   parentheses iphone XL that's why don't I [TS]

01:02:53   phone acts I can I think that they AII [TS]

01:02:55   would hope that they learned their [TS]

01:02:56   lesson by calling Mac os10 maco spelling [TS]

01:02:59   it with an axe [TS]

01:03:01   because for years i think that the [TS]

01:03:04   majority of people called pronounced did [TS]

01:03:06   I a mac OSX in my yeah I would do that [TS]

01:03:10   by mistake occasionally and i knew i [TS]

01:03:14   knew what it was called [TS]

01:03:16   what was the other entities 20 the [TS]

01:03:18   itouch that the calling the calling any [TS]

01:03:21   ipod touch the itouch right there's way [TS]

01:03:24   more people call it the itouch than an [TS]

01:03:26   ipod touch i think calling it iPhone [TS]

01:03:28   capital X I mean who knows i guess if [TS]

01:03:32   they do that they should actually [TS]

01:03:33   pronounce it iphone X if they're [TS]

01:03:35   expecting people to pronounce around 10 [TS]

01:03:37   then no that's a debt that's a big [TS]

01:03:40   mistake i was really when i read that i [TS]

01:03:42   was thinking it's iphone acts not done [TS]

01:03:44   if they did call it iphone x I had it [TS]

01:03:48   but the things like where do you get [TS]

01:03:50   there because he can't add an egg my [TS]

01:03:52   phone again adding yes because it would [TS]

01:03:54   sound like you're saying access [TS]

01:03:55   yeah yeah you can't put the s in front [TS]

01:04:00   of it because it would be like I phone [TS]

01:04:02   sex right [TS]

01:04:03   I anyway the second story is next time [TS]

01:04:11   iphone I fx2 FX and I've just just go [TS]

01:04:18   back to the 90 91 and call it the iphone [TS]

01:04:21   to FX the iphone the iphone performing [TS]

01:04:25   today came out kg is ming-chi kuo the [TS]

01:04:29   analyst who as the best sources in the [TS]

01:04:31   soup tonight if he reports from china i [TS]

01:04:35   think or at least from Asia and clearly [TS]

01:04:37   his sources have always been in the [TS]

01:04:39   supply chain this supply chain that [TS]

01:04:41   fills his stuff he's been saying this [TS]

01:04:42   for a while this isn't new but he's you [TS]

01:04:44   know this idea that they're going to do [TS]

01:04:46   new ones of the exact same form factor [TS]

01:04:49   is the iphone 7 7 plus and this new [TS]

01:04:53   thing with 5.8 inch diagonal oled [TS]

01:04:57   display that might curve at the edges [TS]

01:05:00   and it is more of a chin list for [TS]

01:05:02   headless edge-to-edge top to bottom [TS]

01:05:04   design with a touch home button that's [TS]

01:05:08   actually embedded in the screen and his [TS]

01:05:09   virtual not really a button etc these [TS]

01:05:12   are new rumors but he reiterated this is [TS]

01:05:14   pretty much I don't think anything then [TS]

01:05:16   this report contradicts anything and [TS]

01:05:21   Mark Sullivan report so i don't know if [TS]

01:05:22   they have the same sources or similar [TS]

01:05:24   ones but there's nothing really [TS]

01:05:25   conflicting so it is that there's a [TS]

01:05:28   little bit of a where there's smoke [TS]

01:05:30   there's fire aspect to this I think so [TS]

01:05:35   Sullivan source make it maybe I'd the I [TS]

01:05:38   i think that's a very high possibility I [TS]

01:05:42   I thank you i would actually bet on that [TS]

01:05:45   button below has a pretty good track [TS]

01:05:47   record [TS]

01:05:48   yeah and I really you know nothing right [TS]

01:05:51   although I although i think i don't know [TS]

01:05:53   maybe it's possible but usually these I [TS]

01:05:55   mean the one of the reasons why they do [TS]

01:05:57   these reports is to advertise for the [TS]

01:05:59   price firm so it seems unlikely that he [TS]

01:06:02   would speak off the record like that [TS]

01:06:06   well but it's telling know that it came [TS]

01:06:08   out with a report the next day I don't [TS]

01:06:10   know [TS]

01:06:10   yeah you know what here's a pet peeve [TS]

01:06:13   I've said this before publicly I hate [TS]

01:06:15   this this is this if one of the ways [TS]

01:06:17   that i wish if I had a magic wand and I [TS]

01:06:19   would waive it would be that I hate when [TS]

01:06:21   these sites when they report on rumors [TS]

01:06:24   of upcoming [TS]

01:06:24   phones and evidently this is a report [TS]

01:06:27   here is from 9to5 mac to say you know [TS]

01:06:29   this is about the KGI report they always [TS]

01:06:33   illustrate the story with a user [TS]

01:06:36   submitted mock-up of what that future an [TS]

01:06:40   iphone might look like which isn't based [TS]

01:06:42   on it's not like that source of the only [TS]

01:06:45   way it makes sense to conclude an [TS]

01:06:47   illustration is if you have a source who [TS]

01:06:50   says they've seen it and then you make [TS]

01:06:52   one that looks like what the source is [TS]

01:06:53   saying looks like where is it always in [TS]

01:06:55   stratum with these things that people [TS]

01:06:57   just make out of their imagination like [TS]

01:07:00   it's not it it it bothers me profusely [TS]

01:07:04   because i know is a critical reader of [TS]

01:07:06   the news I know what this illustration [TS]

01:07:08   is I know to just ignore it but i can't [TS]

01:07:10   help but i know that most people if they [TS]

01:07:12   granted this are thinking this is an [TS]

01:07:14   illness [TS]

01:07:15   this is an illustration of the thing [TS]

01:07:16   that they're talking about that's what [TS]

01:07:17   it's gonna look like yeah like imagine [TS]

01:07:20   if yeah I've had conversations with [TS]

01:07:22   people you don't casual people like [TS]

01:07:23   people you meet someplace and you know [TS]

01:07:25   like oh I saw a picture of the other day [TS]

01:07:26   i was like i can imagine if you had a [TS]

01:07:28   new story that said it I a killer on the [TS]

01:07:33   loose you know serial killers on the [TS]

01:07:35   loose in in town and you include an [TS]

01:07:37   illustration of a man but the [TS]

01:07:39   illustration of the man in the story is [TS]

01:07:41   nothing to do with the killer on the [TS]

01:07:43   loose you didn't need all right let's [TS]

01:07:45   examine its it's somebody's ideal for [TS]

01:07:48   running just a bald guy with a big bushy [TS]

01:07:52   beard just got he's got machetes our [TS]

01:07:55   hands [TS]

01:07:56   you know what I mean it's like whenever [TS]

01:07:58   they used to talk about the Unabomber [TS]

01:08:00   back before they caught him and they'd [TS]

01:08:02   always have this story where there was [TS]

01:08:03   you know they'd always have this [TS]

01:08:05   illustration of a guy with the they have [TS]

01:08:07   a hoodie on a hoodie and sunglasses [TS]

01:08:09   yeah with glasses all right right but it [TS]

01:08:12   was based on there was a witness one [TS]

01:08:15   time subscription saw a guy that you [TS]

01:08:18   know there was some kind of connection [TS]

01:08:19   with law enforcement legitimately think [TS]

01:08:21   they thought they had a witness who saw [TS]

01:08:22   him mailing a package one time and that [TS]

01:08:25   it was a police sketch from this witness [TS]

01:08:27   and they would use the same drawing over [TS]

01:08:29   and over again it wasn't like they just [TS]

01:08:31   randomly drew a guy [TS]

01:08:32   which is what these stupid illustrations [TS]

01:08:36   of future is to edge iphones are anyway [TS]

01:08:41   I have problems with this i I don't I I [TS]

01:08:44   don't just believe that this is apple's [TS]

01:08:46   plan and then there's so much there's [TS]

01:08:48   enough smoke now that I can't help but [TS]

01:08:50   think this might be the this might be it [TS]

01:08:52   that they're going to do an iphone 7s & [TS]

01:08:54   7 S Plus and instead of introducing them [TS]

01:08:57   at the top of the line they're going to [TS]

01:08:58   introduce a new they're not going to [TS]

01:08:59   push them down the line either they'll [TS]

01:09:00   keep the I think they'll keep the prices [TS]

01:09:02   the same and instead will introduce a [TS]

01:09:04   new here 24 never seen tier above this [TS]

01:09:09   that's a very apple-like thing to do [TS]

01:09:11   like whereas the rest of the industry [TS]

01:09:12   races to lower and lower prices as quote [TS]

01:09:15   unquote smartphones become more and more [TS]

01:09:16   commodities and the average selling [TS]

01:09:18   price of a smartphone in general [TS]

01:09:20   continues to drop it makes it it's a [TS]

01:09:22   very apple-like thing to do to say we're [TS]

01:09:24   in such a position of prominence we're [TS]

01:09:27   so clearly the preeminent smartphone you [TS]

01:09:30   know phone maker that we're going to [TS]

01:09:31   move we're going to move it up i could [TS]

01:09:33   see that but I have some problems with [TS]

01:09:35   this plan though because everybody also [TS]

01:09:37   seems to be reporting the same things [TS]

01:09:38   that that this new device that the hot [TS]

01:09:41   stuff is going to be on it they're gonna [TS]

01:09:47   have trouble making them in quantity [TS]

01:09:49   that it's you know this is going to be [TS]

01:09:51   supplied concerned the new iphones have [TS]

01:09:53   always been [TS]

01:09:54   yeah because that because they can't [TS]

01:09:55   it's gonna get the screens and the touch [TS]

01:09:56   sensors a more difficult and all of [TS]

01:10:00   these reports have been very consistent [TS]

01:10:02   not on how many of them come from you [TS]

01:10:04   know this one source you know the cage [TS]

01:10:06   is in chi kuo maybe he's the only one in [TS]

01:10:10   this bullshit but they they keep saying [TS]

01:10:12   over again the other thing that's [TS]

01:10:13   reiterated is that they're going to it's [TS]

01:10:15   going to be an oled on the front that [TS]

01:10:17   goes edge-to-edge gonna have a touch [TS]

01:10:19   sensor you know touch ID and home button [TS]

01:10:21   that is somehow embedded in the screen [TS]

01:10:26   Apple has had patents I mean again I I [TS]

01:10:29   try to stay away from patterns in terms [TS]

01:10:30   of the connection of well if Apple file [TS]

01:10:34   a patent they must be using it now they [TS]

01:10:35   file patents for anything patentable not [TS]

01:10:37   just anything to use but there is a [TS]

01:10:39   patent that Apple has filed somewhere [TS]

01:10:40   where it's how to put a camera behind a [TS]

01:10:42   display which would obviously be [TS]

01:10:45   necessary if the screen goes [TS]

01:10:46   edge-to-edge because you can't get rid [TS]

01:10:47   of that cellphone jammer I mean that [TS]

01:10:49   would be like the one thing Apple could [TS]

01:10:50   do that would actually keep people from [TS]

01:10:51   buying a new phone like you get rid of [TS]

01:10:54   the headphone jack like all these tech [TS]

01:10:55   reports i gotta get a headphone jack i [TS]

01:10:57   was gonna buy this thing into everyone's [TS]

01:10:58   gonna wait a year to see if this you [TS]

01:10:59   know takes off now it's like [TS]

01:11:01   record-breaking sales for the iphone [TS]

01:11:02   without the headphone jack if they took [TS]

01:11:04   away the selfie camera people wouldn't [TS]

01:11:05   buy it because people actually equally [TS]

01:11:09   and you could face time you could do [TS]

01:11:10   something you know that apart from just [TS]

01:11:12   being take a picture of yourself there's [TS]

01:11:13   other stuff we know you love to selfie [TS]

01:11:15   camera but this edge to edge design is [TS]

01:11:17   so beautiful we just threw it away [TS]

01:11:19   also there's no snow with Johnny Johnny [TS]

01:11:22   Johnny physically also there's no [TS]

01:11:23   speaker see where there's no earpiece [TS]

01:11:27   for holding the phone interior so you [TS]

01:11:29   hit I don't like the whole it so like [TS]

01:11:31   there's also speculated that it's not [TS]

01:11:33   gonna might not have buttons like on the [TS]

01:11:35   sides either just like how do you reboot [TS]

01:11:37   that phone [TS]

01:11:37   it's gotta have one right there it has [TS]

01:11:39   its good handling these 10 like at least [TS]

01:11:43   one physical one awaited I don't know [TS]

01:11:45   ah yeah she bi i'm she she should start [TS]

01:12:05   writing figure was a kid it would be [TS]

01:12:08   funny if they made it like like an old [TS]

01:12:10   Mac where that was sort of like the [TS]

01:12:11   little hole for the SIM card tray where [TS]

01:12:13   you have to go pay per click the right [TS]

01:12:15   there is your right right yeah look I [TS]

01:12:17   worry that was like that like Hank Hank [TS]

01:12:19   found that action so we're gonna have to [TS]

01:12:21   classic max up in my office and and he [TS]

01:12:24   hasn't played with them in a long time [TS]

01:12:26   but when he was younger I you know he'd [TS]

01:12:28   come up and I'd fish out my old floppy [TS]

01:12:30   disks and I mean I really think the [TS]

01:12:32   thing that he liked he liked you know [TS]

01:12:33   like loading up some of the games and [TS]

01:12:35   playing but I think one of these they [TS]

01:12:36   liked the most was just like force into [TS]

01:12:37   for subjecting up papi Department [TS]

01:12:40   with the paperclip and the worst part [TS]

01:12:44   was is force forcing the paperclip and [TS]

01:12:47   was just pushing the button on the [TS]

01:12:49   floppy drive mechanism because it wasn't [TS]

01:12:51   like I planned on floppy drives they're [TS]

01:12:52   just buying the ones from Sony that [TS]

01:12:54   everybody else used all the other pc [TS]

01:12:55   makers yeah they just decide just for [TS]

01:12:58   the sake of elegance they get it covered [TS]

01:13:01   it up [TS]

01:13:02   that was brilliant though it was [TS]

01:13:05   brilliant the way that it under normal [TS]

01:13:07   operation you didn't reject the floppy [TS]

01:13:09   disk the system did and so you'd have to [TS]

01:13:12   undo only way to get it out was to drag [TS]

01:13:14   it to the trash [TS]

01:13:15   although I'd that metaphor dragon just [TS]

01:13:18   to trash is one of those that's what I [TS]

01:13:20   was a little weird because you you tell [TS]

01:13:24   somebody that the first time we're doing [TS]

01:13:25   dragging a floppy disk to the trash does [TS]

01:13:27   and I yeah I think the right answer as [TS]

01:13:30   somebody the the correct answer in terms [TS]

01:13:32   of what happened is it would eject the [TS]

01:13:33   disc but i think the right answer in [TS]

01:13:35   terms of being able to intuit how the [TS]

01:13:38   the metaphors of the cips Mac worked [TS]

01:13:40   would be well it erases the disk right [TS]

01:13:42   nobody changes it they fix it was funny [TS]

01:13:48   they fixed it Mac os10 by having the [TS]

01:13:50   trash can turn into an eject button as [TS]

01:13:52   you'd drag a disk which is yeah it works [TS]

01:13:55   because it looks like an ejector but [TS]

01:13:56   it's it's still a little weird on my [TS]

01:14:00   problem with this is that I think this [TS]

01:14:02   is the phone that everybody's gonna want [TS]

01:14:03   and if its cost more and is lower [TS]

01:14:06   quantity and they can't sell it [TS]

01:14:08   who's gonna buy the 7s and 7's plus I [TS]

01:14:11   don't get it [TS]

01:14:12   like who's gonna I mean I guess that [TS]

01:14:15   there's a lot of people who are like [TS]

01:14:16   what that new phone looks awesome but [TS]

01:14:17   i'm not paying over a thousand dollars i [TS]

01:14:19   only want like a 32 gigabyte iphone 7 so [TS]

01:14:22   I'm gonna pay you know six hundred [TS]

01:14:24   dollars or over 650 or whatever cost for [TS]

01:14:26   32 gig iphone 6 or 7 as let's do it so I [TS]

01:14:31   can see that but it's like I don't know [TS]

01:14:33   it just seems it just seems a little [TS]

01:14:35   weird to me that there that they would [TS]

01:14:37   do both you know why if they're going to [TS]

01:14:39   come out the new design why not just say [TS]

01:14:40   this is the new design i guess because [TS]

01:14:43   the price is so high I don't know [TS]

01:14:45   yes it yeah I mean I guess they want to [TS]

01:14:48   do what they want to make it a gnome and [TS]

01:14:50   maybe they want to write but but if they [TS]

01:14:52   want to do it you know sell it at a high [TS]

01:14:57   price because you can't i don't know i [TS]

01:15:00   would i'm not going to get that phone [TS]

01:15:01   right i mean the thing that bothers me [TS]

01:15:03   about this reporters there's nothing [TS]

01:15:05   just no mention of right right right [TS]

01:15:06   right because that is sort of that's [TS]

01:15:09   what I want them to do if they have the [TS]

01:15:11   technology to make edge-to-edge phones [TS]

01:15:13   is I want them to get a phone with the [TS]

01:15:15   screen size of the iphone 7 the 4.7 inch [TS]

01:15:19   diagonal and then make the phone just [TS]

01:15:22   that size of that screen which would be [TS]

01:15:24   about as tall as the iphone SE and a [TS]

01:15:28   little wider and I could take that I [TS]

01:15:30   could take it being a little wider but [TS]

01:15:32   yeah but having it be that height man [TS]

01:15:34   that would be great that's the phone [TS]

01:15:35   around to making they're not making it [TS]

01:15:37   yeah I mean maybe that's the next you [TS]

01:15:38   know maybe that's the next year i guess [TS]

01:15:40   i don't know but i know i mean i don't [TS]

01:15:43   mind paying more for it [TS]

01:15:45   I mean why was it was very nice not [TS]

01:15:47   having to pay much for the iPhone se but [TS]

01:15:48   i'm used to saying you know basically [TS]

01:15:50   paying 650 so I i would i would do that [TS]

01:15:55   i would argue i want this I want that I [TS]

01:15:57   just want the smaller phone with with [TS]

01:15:59   modern i would argue right now that the [TS]

01:16:01   most beloved iphone apple is selling [TS]

01:16:04   today is the iphone SE that the P [TS]

01:16:06   meaning the people who have the iphone [TS]

01:16:08   SE know exactly why they've got it and [TS]

01:16:11   they're delighted by it i know you like [TS]

01:16:12   it mine comes my power load all has one [TS]

01:16:16   and waited waited for it means that he [TS]

01:16:19   doesn't really follow this stuff [TS]

01:16:20   religiously but he just so did not want [TS]

01:16:22   a bigger phone and he got the SE and he [TS]

01:16:24   loves it easy this is the best thing [TS]

01:16:26   it's the best thing he's ever owned [TS]

01:16:27   period like gadget y-yeah yeah well [TS]

01:16:29   that's intense they think like with the [TS]

01:16:30   the best apple products i bought within [TS]

01:16:33   at least the last year are the SE and [TS]

01:16:35   their pods yet I i well i love it i mean [TS]

01:16:38   i-i don't use the item by an SE i sent [TS]

01:16:40   my review unit back but it and [TS]

01:16:44   ultimately is because i want the camera [TS]

01:16:45   but I have mixed feelings and everybody [TS]

01:16:48   I know who has like the iphone 7 sort of [TS]

01:16:51   has the well I have a better phone i [TS]

01:16:53   kinda wish i had that super fancy new [TS]

01:16:54   lens camera in 27 plus everybody has 27 [TS]

01:16:57   plus is like I love this phone I'll [TS]

01:16:58   big as I love the all-day battery life [TS]

01:17:00   but it is kind of big you know like [TS]

01:17:02   Marcos doorman was just talking about on [TS]

01:17:03   ATP where he keeps you know he's like [TS]

01:17:06   5149 each way and every time he kind of [TS]

01:17:10   commits to one second he goes there the [TS]

01:17:12   grass is greener on the other side and [TS]

01:17:13   he wants to go the other way [TS]

01:17:15   where's the iphone SE people know [TS]

01:17:16   exactly what they want they want to [TS]

01:17:17   phone with that super nice your hand [TS]

01:17:19   feel pocket-sized you know that it for [TS]

01:17:24   the people who know that that's what [TS]

01:17:25   they want is a small phone the iPhone se [TS]

01:17:26   is absolutely amazing it's the best best [TS]

01:17:29   device best iphone apples ever made in [TS]

01:17:31   some ways you know and ya know I would [TS]

01:17:34   in terms of plan i'm not surprised one [TS]

01:17:36   bit that they spent like months trying [TS]

01:17:38   to get into sufficient quantity to meet [TS]

01:17:41   demand that this phone with your old [TS]

01:17:42   internal technologies was actually so [TS]

01:17:45   popular they couldn't keep up with [TS]

01:17:46   demand [TS]

01:17:46   yeah so I don't know I don't [TS]

01:17:49   yes so I didn't I don't know what it was [TS]

01:17:51   if this is what's coming out in the fall [TS]

01:17:52   i'm not i'm not sure what i would i'm [TS]

01:17:54   going to do because i don't i don't want [TS]

01:17:57   a bigger phone and so and i don't want [TS]

01:17:59   to spend that much I'm certainly not [TS]

01:18:00   going to spend a thousand dollars to get [TS]

01:18:02   a gigantic phone and I don't want to I [TS]

01:18:04   the other two so I'm gonna stick with my [TS]

01:18:07   see that can send us on like I said like [TS]

01:18:09   the phone ideal phone that I wish Apple [TS]

01:18:11   would make with 4.7 inch display this [TS]

01:18:14   display from the iphone 7 with no chin [TS]

01:18:17   or forehead and then if they can narrow [TS]

01:18:19   the sides a little bit that would be [TS]

01:18:20   great and that would be a phone that [TS]

01:18:22   physically would be about as tall as the [TS]

01:18:25   SE and a little wider and I could take [TS]

01:18:28   that everybody that the consensus if you [TS]

01:18:31   just draw a 16 units take a piece of [TS]

01:18:33   graph paper and make a 16 29 aspect [TS]

01:18:37   ratio rectangle with a 5.8 inch diagonal [TS]

01:18:40   which is the size of this just oled [TS]

01:18:42   display various talking about [TS]

01:18:44   that's roughly as tall as the iphone 7 [TS]

01:18:48   so you're not carrying around a [TS]

01:18:50   plus-sized phone in height anymore [TS]

01:18:53   you've got like the smaller current [TS]

01:18:55   iphone you know the mid-size iphone in [TS]

01:18:57   height but it's a lot wider and it is a [TS]

01:19:00   very wide phone it is it it there's you [TS]

01:19:03   know just take a piece of ground you [TS]

01:19:04   know here's your homework listeners you [TS]

01:19:06   know take a piece of graph paper and [TS]

01:19:07   drawing I don't want to phone into any [TS]

01:19:08   bigger than this phone is the biggest [TS]

01:19:10   phone that I could possibly be happy [TS]

01:19:11   carrying [TS]

01:19:12   so I don't want a phone that's the same [TS]

01:19:14   height as this but wider I'm not saying [TS]

01:19:17   I won't buy it but i'm going to bitch [TS]

01:19:18   about it every sin every single week on [TS]

01:19:20   this on this show [TS]

01:19:23   here let me take a final break here and [TS]

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01:20:14   know anything about buying a mattress [TS]

01:20:15   who does but mattress engineers to so [TS]

01:20:17   they just made one there's a very [TS]

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01:20:21   have to decide what your macbook made [TS]

01:20:22   out of guess what's made of aluminum [TS]

01:20:23   you're gonna like it [TS]

01:20:24   I you just pick the size that's it and [TS]

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01:21:08   king-size mattress and I'd never even [TS]

01:21:09   tried it you just try it they ship it to [TS]

01:21:11   you [TS]

01:21:12   it comes in a little box at least little [TS]

01:21:14   compared to a king-size mattress or [TS]

01:21:15   queen or everyone open it up in your [TS]

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01:21:20   as you could get hurt you could [TS]

01:21:22   asphyxiate [TS]

01:21:23   like open it and kinda like oh I make [TS]

01:21:25   sure windows open and it fills with air [TS]

01:21:27   early on that yeah early on some [TS]

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01:21:44   cable subscription where you know you [TS]

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01:21:48   just say okay okay and then don't say [TS]

01:21:50   when's a good time to pick it up and [TS]

01:21:51   I'll schedule a guy to come and pick it [TS]

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01:22:02   where it is great I've got my whole [TS]

01:22:05   family hooked on these things I here's [TS]

01:22:07   the Astros they also sell a dog mattress [TS]

01:22:09   that's a smelly dog matches is a when [TS]

01:22:12   you get the dog you can get one of the [TS]

01:22:14   dogs that code doesn't work on the dog [TS]

01:22:15   mattress because the mattress the dog [TS]

01:22:17   mattress is cheap enough that they won't [TS]

01:22:18   give you fifty bucks off but your dog [TS]

01:22:20   will thank you [TS]

01:22:21   so that's the Astros you can't get that [TS]

01:22:23   you can't save the money on that uh [TS]

01:22:26   anything else anything else you wanted [TS]

01:22:28   to talk about a couple of things in the [TS]

01:22:30   show notes you see Samsung's samsung had [TS]

01:22:32   a factory catch fire because because the [TS]

01:22:34   battery just why because of batteries [TS]

01:22:37   they throughout throughout a bunch of [TS]

01:22:41   bump back on fire [TS]

01:22:44   I got a I got a note from I'm gonna say [TS]

01:22:47   you but I got a note from a somebody [TS]

01:22:49   else in the media is it doesn't it's [TS]

01:22:51   sort of like not starting out an enemy [TS]

01:22:53   in mind but someone who likes to give me [TS]

01:22:55   shit and and he wrote that he he was [TS]

01:22:58   like I don't have good things to say [TS]

01:23:00   about you but slow clap for this one [TS]

01:23:02   which was when my link to this we're [TS]

01:23:05   like I wrote the headline with Samsung [TS]

01:23:07   fought factory fire triggered by [TS]

01:23:09   discarded batteries in my entire [TS]

01:23:10   contents of the article was the rare [TS]

01:23:13   case when a figurative garbage fire [TS]

01:23:15   turns into a little garbage fire now [TS]

01:23:19   that's what i call this show did the [TS]

01:23:20   show notes this description of the talk [TS]

01:23:22   show says it's the director's commentary [TS]

01:23:23   for daring fireball which is sort of [TS]

01:23:26   happened I sometimes look at that and [TS]

01:23:27   think it's not quite right but to do a [TS]

01:23:30   real director's commentary i will reveal [TS]

01:23:32   my thinking behind [TS]

01:23:32   this post where I knew I wanted to link [TS]

01:23:34   to it I the joke came to me immediately [TS]

01:23:36   but I didn't know which way to do it [TS]

01:23:40   put the straight news in the headline [TS]

01:23:42   and make the joke in the body or should [TS]

01:23:45   i should i use the headline a figurative [TS]

01:23:51   garbage fire turns into literal garbage [TS]

01:23:53   friends and then have the body say [TS]

01:23:56   Samsung factory fire triggered by [TS]

01:23:58   discarded batteries i couldn't decide [TS]

01:24:02   which way to go [TS]

01:24:03   I kind of regret it that's why i started [TS]

01:24:04   talking about it now or I kind of feel [TS]

01:24:06   like maybe it was a little more likely [TS]

01:24:07   to go viral as a retweeted tweet if [TS]

01:24:09   because the the thing i was in the tweet [TS]

01:24:12   is the headline yes [TS]

01:24:15   yeah and it and it comes off more as a a [TS]

01:24:18   an onion ask thing except that's right [TS]

01:24:22   only I had that that was one of the [TS]

01:24:26   jokes are rather by head to it's just [TS]

01:24:28   the right and I try to avoid it because [TS]

01:24:29   usually if if the joke that comes to me [TS]

01:24:31   is not from the onion there's a better [TS]

01:24:33   joke somewhere because you could say [TS]

01:24:35   that about a lot of things but it really [TS]

01:24:36   does it really does read like an onion [TS]

01:24:38   article like one of the ones that [TS]

01:24:39   doesn't have the article where they just [TS]

01:24:41   headlines [TS]

01:24:42   yeah yeah yeah uh anything else that you [TS]

01:24:46   wanted to talk about this week I I know [TS]

01:24:51   who did your your your site is very pull [TS]

01:24:57   it is it is this i don't know what you [TS]

01:24:59   don't know yard and if you do that show [TS]

01:25:02   now had you know I mean I noticed that [TS]

01:25:05   I've noticed you've gotten some pushback [TS]

01:25:06   from some rear a little bit but since [TS]

01:25:09   this is the direct i will say this that [TS]

01:25:11   i have i I've actually in recent years [TS]

01:25:13   really largely tuned out of obsessively [TS]

01:25:16   watching the stats daring fireball it [TS]

01:25:20   roughly it's not secret that secretive [TS]

01:25:23   about it a couple of years ago it peaked [TS]

01:25:25   out at around four million pageviews per [TS]

01:25:27   month and it collapsed when when Google [TS]

01:25:33   Reader went away i get it i lost my way [TS]

01:25:36   around a million page views a month when [TS]

01:25:38   Google Reader went away and seemingly [TS]

01:25:41   there were so many people using google [TS]

01:25:42   reader who went new daring fireball [TS]

01:25:44   articles would [TS]

01:25:45   not they would go you know like pimp you [TS]

01:25:48   know open a new tab from google reader [TS]

01:25:50   to read it on daring fireball this isn't [TS]

01:25:52   counting people who just read the RSS [TS]

01:25:54   this is people come to the site Google [TS]

01:25:55   Reader had a tremendous impact on the [TS]

01:25:58   page views but I don't get any impact on [TS]

01:26:00   the number of people who read during [TS]

01:26:02   fireball this is why I didn't have never [TS]

01:26:03   sold my sponsorships based on promises [TS]

01:26:05   of page views it's you know the at just [TS]

01:26:09   a loose estimate of how many people read [TS]

01:26:11   the site where they come once a day or [TS]

01:26:13   whether they come three times a day its [TS]

01:26:15   readers that matter more than pages and [TS]

01:26:17   slowly but surely and lots of other [TS]

01:26:19   people notice two pages are down but [TS]

01:26:22   they've stabilized at like somewhere [TS]

01:26:25   between two points around 2.5 million [TS]

01:26:27   pageviews per month and that's super [TS]

01:26:29   stable that's been like like for the [TS]

01:26:31   last 18 months [TS]

01:26:32   September's the only exception where [TS]

01:26:34   September it goes up a little bit [TS]

01:26:35   because that's when the iphone news [TS]

01:26:37   comes out and i tend to be writing a [TS]

01:26:39   little more and people are a little more [TS]

01:26:40   interested but other than September it's [TS]

01:26:42   pretty stable month to month there's [TS]

01:26:46   been no drop-off since i started writing [TS]

01:26:48   more about politics all the people who [TS]

01:26:50   said you're gonna you know you're going [TS]

01:26:51   to lose you know I come to you to get [TS]

01:26:53   away from this you're going to lose [TS]

01:26:54   readers diamond lost any readers or if I [TS]

01:26:57   fu million you've always talked about it [TS]

01:26:59   rice a little bit now and again so it's [TS]

01:27:02   not it shouldn't your views shouldn't be [TS]

01:27:04   a surprise to anybody i would not i [TS]

01:27:06   would not I didn't do this during the [TS]

01:27:08   George W Bush era I i would not have [TS]

01:27:12   done it if john mccain had beaten Obama [TS]

01:27:16   with one exception which I will invite a [TS]

01:27:18   second and I almost certainly would not [TS]

01:27:20   have done it if Mitt Romney had beaten [TS]

01:27:22   obama four years ago with paul ryan the [TS]

01:27:24   exception is and I did write about it [TS]

01:27:26   then in 2008 was I was specifically [TS]

01:27:29   opposed to sarah palin as the vice [TS]

01:27:31   presidential nominee on the grounds that [TS]

01:27:33   she was completely utterly literally no [TS]

01:27:36   politics involved just unqualified and [TS]

01:27:38   unfit for the job as vice president like [TS]

01:27:41   the like the president we have exactly [TS]

01:27:44   like except i would you trade Trump for [TS]

01:27:46   sarah palin oh god that's a close call [TS]

01:27:51   maybe i would I think maybe you know I [TS]

01:27:54   would be [TS]

01:27:55   it's not really i think i will because I [TS]

01:27:56   think she's completely unqualified and I [TS]

01:27:59   don't think she's a real reality I don't [TS]

01:28:01   think she's big on facts but I don't [TS]

01:28:05   think she's on the other hand I don't [TS]

01:28:07   think which I think are things that you [TS]

01:28:09   really need I think it's absolutely [TS]

01:28:10   essential I think this idea that you [TS]

01:28:12   could be unhinged from reality [TS]

01:28:13   I know people say like onions from [TS]

01:28:15   reality it's a cliché but I think [TS]

01:28:16   that's literally what Donald Trump is I [TS]

01:28:18   think he's completely unhinged from [TS]

01:28:19   reality [TS]

01:28:20   I he's also i think he's more vindictive [TS]

01:28:24   she is completely agree with that i [TS]

01:28:26   completely agree that he's more [TS]

01:28:27   vindictive [TS]

01:28:29   i I just she can be a little she can be [TS]

01:28:32   a little vindictive but he's like he's [TS]

01:28:35   turned it into an art fly it takes its a [TS]

01:28:37   closer call [TS]

01:28:38   I mean there's no doubt in my mind I [TS]

01:28:39   mean I would take i would take my [TS]

01:28:40   parents I'm hoping that that that that [TS]

01:28:42   from yeah I'm hoping that there's some [TS]

01:28:45   kind of plan and plan and Republican [TS]

01:28:46   Party and yeah i mean he-he's my Pence's [TS]

01:28:49   is reprehensible as a the buttock but a [TS]

01:28:53   person and a politician and I'm but I [TS]

01:28:58   think he's he's much more stable [TS]

01:29:01   yeah I don't think I don't think he [TS]

01:29:03   would hide there's no doubt in my mind [TS]

01:29:04   that he would not start a war on a lark [TS]

01:29:07   at I really i mean i-i mean somebody's [TS]

01:29:11   somebody's comments he's made no he's [TS]

01:29:13   very very interested in making like tiny [TS]

01:29:16   nukes because he seems like he seems [TS]

01:29:21   like sometime within the next four years [TS]

01:29:23   he wants to drop the nuclear bomb right [TS]

01:29:25   so he's made the argument of why do we [TS]

01:29:26   why do we have no we're not going to use [TS]

01:29:28   which is terrible [TS]

01:29:29   yeah I truth is we out how we we have [TS]

01:29:35   them because we invented them and it you [TS]

01:29:38   know somebody else was going to amend [TS]

01:29:39   them first and it was strategically [TS]

01:29:41   better for us to have invented them but [TS]

01:29:43   really the whole point of having them [TS]

01:29:45   now is to keep anybody hopefully keep [TS]

01:29:47   anybody else on the planet from using [TS]

01:29:48   them which is from using right it's [TS]

01:29:52   deterrence latest you know guy doesn't [TS]

01:29:54   know what the START treaty as well and [TS]

01:29:55   it determines the other thing is that [TS]

01:29:56   the whole theory of nuclear deterrence [TS]

01:29:59   is based on a chest like series of [TS]

01:30:03   strategic if we do this they might do [TS]

01:30:07   here's what they might do in response [TS]

01:30:09   and at any step of the way there's this [TS]

01:30:11   logical aspect of ok so it really makes [TS]

01:30:15   the most sense for nobody to use them [TS]

01:30:17   first and it's the fact that there's [TS]

01:30:20   like three or four logical steps [TS]

01:30:22   involved are completely prevent this man [TS]

01:30:24   from from using it is really neat to me [TS]

01:30:27   it is politics in terms of its [TS]

01:30:29   commenting on politicians but it's not i [TS]

01:30:31   I'm still trying my best to avoid any [TS]

01:30:33   sort of left-right divided and the only [TS]

01:30:36   aspect of it that doesn't involve Trump [TS]

01:30:37   that I'm willing to write about is the [TS]

01:30:40   stuff that i would consider out now [TS]

01:30:41   corruption which to me shouldn't be a [TS]

01:30:44   left right thing but unfortunately has [TS]

01:30:46   become one like this thing yesterday [TS]

01:30:48   when the link to the story about Trump's [TS]

01:30:50   new FCC guy which is sort of more along [TS]

01:30:53   the lines of traditional during fireball [TS]

01:30:54   content talking about the FCC and and [TS]

01:30:56   the stuff that they can regulate but [TS]

01:30:57   that one of the things that the [TS]

01:30:59   regulations that he's he's targeted to [TS]

01:31:01   get rid of it is a thing to open up [TS]

01:31:04   cable boxes to you know have laws in [TS]

01:31:06   place to you know open up the cable box [TS]

01:31:08   market [TS]

01:31:09   well that's not a liberal idea you know [TS]

01:31:11   that that's just anybody who's ever been [TS]

01:31:14   frustrated with the shitty you don't [TS]

01:31:16   have any options here is comcast gives [TS]

01:31:17   you this box and you get it and that's [TS]

01:31:19   it it and it sucks and you have to pay [TS]

01:31:21   them a hundred dollars a month to use it [TS]

01:31:24   or whatever they charge it that this is [TS]

01:31:27   not a politics that's not a politics [TS]

01:31:29   think there's not a single regular [TS]

01:31:31   person in the entire country of 300 [TS]

01:31:32   million people who would be better off [TS]

01:31:33   if if if that was the law of the land [TS]

01:31:36   and instead the only people who it works [TS]

01:31:38   for people who brought you know who own [TS]

01:31:40   cable companies right right that's just [TS]

01:31:43   out corruption my mind or this other one [TS]

01:31:46   that really gets me is this thing [TS]

01:31:47   yesterday i like to wear this Georgia [TS]

01:31:51   Republican name / do is introduce [TS]

01:31:53   resolution to to to throw out a new [TS]

01:31:56   package of rules for / prepaid debit [TS]

01:31:59   card overdraft fees [TS]

01:32:03   ok is that the effects of income people [TS]

01:32:05   low-income people can't get a credit [TS]

01:32:06   card they go and if they have the cash [TS]

01:32:08   and get a prepaid debit card and now you [TS]

01:32:09   have a debit card it's prepaid and you [TS]

01:32:12   can use it in places where you need a [TS]

01:32:14   credit card [TS]

01:32:15   I mean this is a thing that can really [TS]

01:32:16   help people get back [TS]

01:32:17   on your feet because it's you know it's [TS]

01:32:18   really hard to function in our society [TS]

01:32:20   without a credit card or something that [TS]

01:32:21   works like a credit card that you can [TS]

01:32:23   swipe and get the idea that they would [TS]

01:32:27   charge these completely you serious [TS]

01:32:30   overdraft fees that the over nns company [TS]

01:32:33   that is doing in favor of runs that the [TS]

01:32:36   payday what I call payday loan places [TS]

01:32:38   day loans which are notoriously bad and [TS]

01:32:40   need regulation because they charge i do [TS]

01:32:43   the type of in the type of interest [TS]

01:32:45   rates at a Bible like tells you you know [TS]

01:32:47   that this is wrong you know like right [TS]

01:32:49   when it's why the mob isn't that big [TS]

01:32:52   inning right is they just they all right [TS]

01:32:53   business if you don't have to HRT [TS]

01:32:56   regular try to make sure to worse than [TS]

01:32:58   what the mob ever charge people like [TS]

01:32:59   when you go to a loan shark [TS]

01:33:00   really you know it but the overdraft [TS]

01:33:03   fees on these debit cards are actually [TS]

01:33:04   higher than the payday loan interest [TS]

01:33:07   rates [TS]

01:33:08   it's it it's absolutely the sort of [TS]

01:33:12   thing that the government should be [TS]

01:33:12   doing is not a liberal idea is not a [TS]

01:33:15   democratic idea Republican idea it is [TS]

01:33:17   exactly what the government the idea of [TS]

01:33:19   government is meant to do is just [TS]

01:33:20   created rules for society that help the [TS]

01:33:23   population at large there's nobody [TS]

01:33:24   nobody who gets hurt or is offended the [TS]

01:33:29   political in terms of political [TS]

01:33:30   sensibilities when the interest when the [TS]

01:33:33   penalty fee for overdrive drawing your [TS]

01:33:35   debt prepaid debit card is a reasonable [TS]

01:33:37   low-level it's absolutely absurd and it [TS]

01:33:41   sort of course it turns out that they [TS]

01:33:42   spent 270 the company spent 270 thousand [TS]

01:33:45   dollars lobbying congress including this [TS]

01:33:47   shitbag from from Georgia David Perdue [TS]

01:33:51   but we don't talk politics and there's [TS]

01:33:55   that means i think that the north north [TS]

01:33:56   dakota legislature team the there was a [TS]

01:34:01   all an initiative ballot initiative that [TS]

01:34:04   would enforce some you know not enforce [TS]

01:34:06   just on Republicans but reinforce ethics [TS]

01:34:09   rules on any elected official and they [TS]

01:34:12   convened an emergency session of the [TS]

01:34:15   legislature to overthrow of voter [TS]

01:34:18   approved a ballot initiative for ethics [TS]

01:34:24   requirements right it was literally just [TS]

01:34:27   a ballot can have that democracy not [TS]

01:34:30   the representative democracy it is yeah [TS]

01:34:33   and and in amino it admittedly you know [TS]

01:34:35   we have we have a lot of validations [TS]

01:34:37   that here and a lot of them are our [TS]

01:34:39   bench insane and shitty and people don't [TS]

01:34:43   always know what they're doing when they [TS]

01:34:45   vote for some of these things [TS]

01:34:46   however I in many cases it's it's a way [TS]

01:34:50   to to tell the legislature hey you know [TS]

01:34:54   what screw you you're not doing what we [TS]

01:34:56   want you to do I and now you're going [TS]

01:35:00   too well i guess not [TS]

01:35:01   you know really crave an emergency [TS]

01:35:04   session we're using less convenient a [TS]

01:35:05   emergency session to to undo it before [TS]

01:35:09   it can take place is astounding [TS]

01:35:11   especially on something where it's just [TS]

01:35:13   an Ethics in Government it really isn't [TS]

01:35:16   controversial you know I mean like [TS]

01:35:17   you're gonna argue that breaks it never [TS]

01:35:19   should have been a ballot initiative [TS]

01:35:19   that it's great [TS]

01:35:22   oh yeah there's one yeah that that's [TS]

01:35:23   exactly the sort of thing that that's [TS]

01:35:25   why I represent a representative [TS]

01:35:27   government is better than direct [TS]

01:35:28   democracy you know it is a west coasting [TS]

01:35:30   ballot initiatives we have them here but [TS]

01:35:32   they're all municipal it's all Philly [TS]

01:35:34   there aren't I don't even think their [TS]

01:35:35   statewide I don't think I've ever even [TS]

01:35:37   seen a statewide ballot initiative I [TS]

01:35:38   don't think Pennsylvania hasn't [TS]

01:35:39   Philadelphia the city does well that's [TS]

01:35:42   why you can't buy beer that's nice [TS]

01:35:46   otherwise that would I got no return 1 [TS]

01:35:48   i've ever know it's actually funny there [TS]

01:35:51   actually is not popular appeal in [TS]

01:35:52   Pennsylvania for this i don't know i [TS]

01:35:54   know he's a regular short on time here [TS]

01:35:56   but you know but the gist of it is [TS]

01:35:58   Pennsylvania when when Prohibition was [TS]

01:36:00   repealed before prohibition pennsylvania [TS]

01:36:03   philadelphia had the highest per capita [TS]

01:36:04   number of bars in in the that the [TS]

01:36:07   country there was something like a bar [TS]

01:36:09   for every 40 men something like that and [TS]

01:36:12   Philadelphia it was a fantastically wet [TS]

01:36:15   town during Prohibition none of the bars [TS]

01:36:17   close they'll just claim to close just [TS]

01:36:19   stayed open in the police never imported [TS]

01:36:21   but Pennsylvania had a pro prohibition [TS]

01:36:25   governor at the time I forget the idiots [TS]

01:36:27   name but when Prohibition was repealed [TS]

01:36:30   he created what is called and still is [TS]

01:36:33   to this day called the Pennsylvania [TS]

01:36:35   Liquor Control Board and he's publicly [TS]

01:36:37   said this was because he was pro [TS]

01:36:38   prohibition he was against the repeal of [TS]

01:36:40   it even though it had been repealed but [TS]

01:36:41   he was still pounding the you know sort [TS]

01:36:44   of like a where you can still today be a [TS]

01:36:46   abortion should be legal illegal [TS]

01:36:49   politician even though it's been the law [TS]

01:36:51   of the land for 44 years you know if [TS]

01:36:54   politically it its seemingly will wasn't [TS]

01:36:56   political death to be pro prohibition he [TS]

01:36:59   created the Pennsylvania Liquor Control [TS]

01:37:00   Board with the stated purpose stated [TS]

01:37:02   purpose of making it as difficult as [TS]

01:37:03   possible to get it alcohol in [TS]

01:37:04   Pennsylvania as as long as he could and [TS]

01:37:07   that was where that's where all all [TS]

01:37:09   liquor comes from and we've got these [TS]

01:37:11   crazy laws where they're starting to get [TS]

01:37:13   soften up a little bit like supermarkets [TS]

01:37:15   are starting to get special licenses [TS]

01:37:16   where they can sell beer but you can't [TS]

01:37:19   buy beer in a supermarket you can only [TS]

01:37:21   buy cases of beer from a quote-unquote [TS]

01:37:24   beer distributor and a beer distributor [TS]

01:37:25   can't sell beer in anything less than a [TS]

01:37:27   case so you can go and buy a six-pack [TS]

01:37:31   but at this place where you buy a [TS]

01:37:32   six-pack you can't buy more than 12 [TS]

01:37:33   years at once it has to be in two [TS]

01:37:35   separate six-packs if you go to buy a [TS]

01:37:37   case of beer you can do that you can buy [TS]

01:37:39   wine and spirits in the state-controlled [TS]

01:37:42   liquor stores and only through the [TS]

01:37:43   state-controlled liquor stores anyway we [TS]

01:37:45   had a Republican governor a couple years [TS]

01:37:47   ago named Corbett who wanted to abolish [TS]

01:37:50   the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board [TS]

01:37:51   and just make Pennsylvania normal state [TS]

01:37:53   where you could you know like the places [TS]

01:37:56   where you buy beer and wine are just [TS]

01:37:58   independent businesses and it didn't [TS]

01:38:02   have a popular support because the way [TS]

01:38:04   that the opposition the way they [TS]

01:38:06   defeated it was the liquor current [TS]

01:38:09   liquors store employees are all it's a [TS]

01:38:12   union job and the Union Union ran ads [TS]

01:38:16   saying you know we have and I think [TS]

01:38:18   there's I don't know 6,000 people [TS]

01:38:19   employed by the liquor stores see this [TS]

01:38:21   guy is going to cost us 6,000 jobs now [TS]

01:38:23   this is in a state with i don't know i [TS]

01:38:26   forget it with a population of [TS]

01:38:27   Pennsylvania's but it's like 20 million [TS]

01:38:29   or something I don't know but 15 years [TS]

01:38:31   right it's not in ten million 10 20 [TS]

01:38:32   million people 6,000 jobs are going to [TS]

01:38:34   be lost without you know addressing the [TS]

01:38:37   fact that every single person who gets [TS]

01:38:39   hired by by the new liquor stores that [TS]

01:38:41   would open up would have a job that [TS]

01:38:42   didn't exist and that [TS]

01:38:43   just get it but but just he's gonna do [TS]

01:38:45   you know getting away with this getting [TS]

01:38:46   away with the state stores would [TS]

01:38:48   eliminate 6,000 jobs was enough to kill [TS]

01:38:50   it politically which is crazy absolutely [TS]

01:38:52   crazy [TS]

01:38:55   so we are here we we now get beer wine [TS]

01:38:58   and liquor and relate the grocery store [TS]

01:39:00   I wish I can't buy any wisdom so if you [TS]

01:39:03   want to i always say my analogies if you [TS]

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01:39:09   ingredients to cook dinner uh a bottle [TS]

01:39:14   of wine and a six-pack of beer and [TS]

01:39:16   Pennsylvania there's no possible way [TS]

01:39:18   that you're not going to three stores [TS]

01:39:19   you have to go to three separate stores [TS]

01:39:21   creating alright I thanks to you John [TS]

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