The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► comfortable number 349 februari 2017 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason still [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► and this episode is going to be about [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► two books you may have been assigned in [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► school maybe maybe not [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► and they have become more interesting [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► and relevant lately and I believe in [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► fact copies of one are reportedly sold [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► out in many bookstores whatever [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► bookstore still remain in the United [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► States so we're going to talk about [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► george orwell's 1984 and Ray Bradbury's [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► Fahrenheit 451 two things you know the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► theme here of course is works with [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► numbers in them that's great [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► clearly so join me i mentioned reading [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► them in school who better to have [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► discussed these commonly assigned works [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► then the hook very host of sophomore lit [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► John McCoy hello hello I want you know I [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► don't even own a parlor wall [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► alright well you know ignorance is [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► strength freedom is slavery Scott [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► mcnulty that's double plus good to be [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► here Jason David jail or we have always [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► been at war with Eastasia that this is [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► true I i guess a it was kind of grim in [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► high school because we had our english [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► class in room 101 ouch that's brutal and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► Erica and sign is here you might as well [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► jump [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► wait a second now that haha i think i [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► will just go ahead and johanna down the [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► memory hole [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► no don'tdon't you got memory hole after [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► reading these books Jason you felt like [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► you didn't need to just jump down the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► memory hole well yeah man we are on fire [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► tonight [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► hmm [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► no it's uh let's erase that and make [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► sure it has never happened [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was undergoing that [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► wasn't good good so let's start with [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury why don't [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► we start there before we move on to or [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► well these were both published a 44-41 [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► published in nineteen fifty three ninety [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► four was published in 1949 so both [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► post-war fairly quickly post-war [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► dystopian visions often assigned in [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► school like I said along with the may be [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► brave new world you can tune him to like [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► an hour and a half of John and I talking [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► about brave new world a sophomore lid we [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► covered that one who is a weird one [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► um about regrets a lot of credit mean [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► he's written so many different kinds of [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► works and he always gets credit for [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► being very kind of lyrical writer [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► beautiful writer it is prose style is is [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► remarkable and i was struck I read [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► fahrenheit 451 at some point but I feel [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► like I probably retained none of it so [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► revisiting it now was kind of fun but I [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► was also struck by the fact that it was [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► not it was not at all what I expected [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► and although i did at several points [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► stop and appreciate how how much effort [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► was being put into the into the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► pro-style when it would where everybody [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► else is kind of impressions with her of [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► fahrenheit 451 John did you read this [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► first live with this [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► yes this was actually I think maybe my [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► third or fourth episode so I read this [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► about a year ago I I have to say I'm a [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► fan of bradbery's pro-style but this [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► this seems like kind of early days to me [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► like he's he's finding his way along [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► this he famously wrote this book at [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► night on a typewriter in a college [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► university because he didn't have a [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► typewriter of his own and it really does [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► feel kind of like a guy out to prove [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► himself to me and I think there's a lot [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► of really beautiful stuff in here [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff in here that also [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► seems to me like he's approaching with a [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► bit of a chip on his shoulder because [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► he likes to kind of yeah i'll get into [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► this later but Bradbury strikes me as [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► someone who wants to kind of show off a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► little bit of what he knows you know by [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► pulling out [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► cicero and pulling out matthew arnold [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► and stuff i think but i but I i like it [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► i thought that there were passages that [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► were just beautiful and strange III this [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► time reading through i really loved the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► depiction of the Hound which doesn't [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► really pay off in in any major way in [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► just how does this ever-present threat [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► but just the idea this crazy biomorphic [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► robot that makes no sense at all [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► I i like that i like it only one [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► Bradbury doesn't even try to make sense [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► got worried about you [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► well I read this book many years ago and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► of course remember nothing about it now [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► especially if i had read it last year I [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► wouldn't remember anything about it [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► let's be honest except of course the [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► whole lido with a bird books he's a [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► firebender and they burn books that i [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► remembered so I didn't remember that it [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► was broken up into three sections i [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► didn't i didn't remember the Hound [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► though that would stick out in my mind [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► as well but i really like it I mean I [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► thought that it was striking you know [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the chat the part that struck me the [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► most is when what's-his-name on tog [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► explains or or his boss explains baby [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► explains to to Montague why they burn [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► the books and you know it wasn't a law [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► it was just that you know people we're [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► just looking for faster entertainment [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► and filling up their minds with with [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► nonsense and that just got me to [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► thinking about Twitter and then I got [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► sad [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► stop reading and you can burn Twitter [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► unfortunately can't do that i've i've [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► tried many times to set your computer on [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► fire [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that's right it's not that right erica [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► was your experience with fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► I had never read either one of these [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► books before actually I didn't have to [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► read them in school and I thought maybe [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► I tried reading Fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► previously and [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► didn't get through it because I just [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► didn't like it but if that's the case [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► then I really forgot everything about it [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► because I didn't remember anything [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► reading this I mean the only thing I [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► knew was the look you know 451 in [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► burning books like that was that was it [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► I didn't even know the fireman thing so [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that was that was all new to me and I i [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► agree with John that the the pros is is [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► beautiful but honestly book really kind [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► of angered me because it very much seem [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like oh he's coming from a place where [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► oh you know people people who like pop [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► culture and people who like you know a [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► literature but looks you know they're [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► going to be the downfall of us all like [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► I'm like that's rich coming from a guy [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► who's known for science fiction which I [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► mean my favorite genre in the world but [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► has been you know throughout history [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► kind of looked and looked down upon [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► so I was just like where do you get off [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► dude and that sort of colored the entire [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► experience for me [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► well I know speed slight spoiler here [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► for my view of it I had a very similar [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► reaction to yours Erica idea [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► David what are your initial sort of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► fahrenheit 451 reactions [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► yeah that this was another one that we [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► had you know that hundreds of copies [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► sitting around in high school and you'd [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► see them from the various English [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► classes because we had the big open [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► space classrooms with like three classes [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► once it was like you tons of storage and [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► it was one that i wanted to read and and [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► our english classes never read them [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► it was really weird i never got to read [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► either one of these in high school [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► except by choice and so I did I think I [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► did them senior year just for kicks and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► coming back to it now I i remember the [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► time I had read a lot of Bradbury and [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► this really stood out as very different [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► from a lot of what he was writing at the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► time and but it's the only thing of [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► those early like you know early fifties [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► Bradbury that that's stuck in my head [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► and I don't know why cause I haven't [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► come back to the other Bradbury which [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► that might be part of it to the only [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► Bradbury I had to read in school was a [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► Martian Chronicles so [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► oh nice not quite the same thing and I [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► really enjoyed that [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► that was a long time ago the only one [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that we got for street with something [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► wicked this way comes partly because [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► they just wanted to show us the movie [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► yeah there's a lot of what we got movies [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► but yeah I i really had this made an [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► impression on me twenties so many years [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► ago and so I had forgotten a lot of it [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► but there were bits and pieces and [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► images that as soon as i got them i [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► could be no almost recite the next page [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► with it which was kind of interesting [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► yeah I my memory of this is is like I [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► said zero i know i read it and and I [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► remember this is what it's like for [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Scott all the time I realize it's not [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► always like that for me but condition [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► please [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► yes I i know i I'm I'm walk i walked a [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► mile i read a book in your shoes I got [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► no that's why i usually comfortable put [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► on choose to read a book but in this [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► case I did and a yeah i think the the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► opening is especially lyrical and I had [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that moment you know it was a two-stage [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► thing with the first stages so here is a [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► writer who is going to show off right i [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► mean i guess you could see it and then I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► was like he's pretty good at it right [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► now is the next step was like like this [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► the way that this book starts it feels [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► very much like I'm just gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► impress you with my prose a little bit [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► and he does yeah but and there are [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► moments throughout that I i would look [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► at it and be like okay you know I see [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► his skill at this but I was struck by [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► the same thing erica was and if you look [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► at Bradbury statements about Fahrenheit [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► this is really interesting so we lumped [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the this these two books together and [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► there is this mid-twentieth-century [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► books that are against totalitarianism [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► and censorship and other other kind of [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► similarly terrible things and they get [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► lumped together and i find it funny [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► because having read fahrenheit 451 and [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► then seeing that bread for himself [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► admits this I feel like they kind of [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► don't fit because fahrenheit 451 to me [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► feels very much like it's about it's a [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► satire about how if people don't read [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the world will be crappy not that [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► totalitarian [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► governments will come and keep people [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► from reading in order to have them beam [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you know how in order to exert their [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► power over them here it's very much more [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► like a kind of kind of elitist a [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► snobbish turning you know it's an attack [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► on television and popular culture in [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► general and people don't read like they [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► used to and leads the the society in [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► fahrenheit 451 into these terrible [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► places it's almost like the you know the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► the the censorship is a just comes out [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► of the fact that nobody's reading [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► anymore it's not because of the state [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and so I was kind of taken aback by that [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► because that was not what i was [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► expecting and I guess I also didn't [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► particularly appreciate that message the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► underlying conflict me that's weird [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► about this book is a Bradbury is warning [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► against political correctness raisuli in [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► a time before they had that language [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► because he says the danger that people [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► saw in books was that they were [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► contradictory that they confuse people [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► you know they hurt people's feelings [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► yep and the troubles people felt [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► marginalized people felt excluded by [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► great works of literature there weren't [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► written to them or that said truths that [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► they didn't agree with so culture had to [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► be dumbed down and made polite and made [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► good for everybody and it's kinda spooky [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► when you have to see how that's actually [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► played out in the actual arena of how [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► political correctness gets used as a as [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► a casual [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the other thing I would say is that it's [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► a very romantic book about the power of [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► words and it strikes strikes me that [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that comes from the place that bribery [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► is coming from which is he's an [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► autodidact he's a guy who never went to [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► college but he wanted to show the world [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► he was an educated person and the the [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► thing that I think is so funny is the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► scene where he starts reading poetry to [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► his wife milled at Mildred and her [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► friends to try and show them what has [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► been lost the unplug their screen right [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► right and the poem he chooses is matthew [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► arnold Dover Beach now this is the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► this is I'm a great fan of people just [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► reading literature and and you know [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► to hell with whether you know where it [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► comes from go ahead and read it and see [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► if you can connect with it but matthew [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► arnold is not something you just pick up [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and have got a reaction to you know it's [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► like I keep that in my wallet come on [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and if you've never experienced anything [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► remotely like that before why would [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► those words in that order make you [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► suddenly break down and cry i just did [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► not buy head for a second yet maybe if [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► there if there were a poem that would [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► make me break down and cry it is not [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► differ beach [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► no you're right and your age on it made [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► me feel icky to when I got to that point [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► because I mean basically what he says [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► and this may even be in there [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► specifically I can't I don't have a [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► something to quote here directly but [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► it's basically like well you know what [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the problem was that you'd write a book [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► and the women would complain or you [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► write a book and the Negroes would [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► complain and so they had to make these [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► dumb books that nobody complained about [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► in that ruined everything i'm like yeah [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► I that is not a good [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► no no no I mean if it's just for being a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► guy who is thinks he's so smart [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► the the idea that that the solution to [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► that is to write books that are more and [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► more you know bland is ridiculous I mean [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► I think it's become clear in this day [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► and age of the the answer to that is if [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► more books by all kinds of different [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► people it be [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► I love the idea why i hate i'm using [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► loving quotes that the idea that his his [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► thought is that yes it's it's the you [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► know it's the white men that should be [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► producing all of these books and because [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► of that we need to think about the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► minorities that was that just kept [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► coming up over and over again we need to [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► think about it already is right and give [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► basically he's saying we need to give [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► them things that are not going to upset [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► there's never any thought that all [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► perhaps these quote-unquote minorities I [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► mean women not exactly minority could be [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► producing content for themselves [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► producing things from their own point of [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► view that's that's just not something [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► that ever enters into his head as a [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► narrator of this book even though the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► walls and by the way these are both [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► books with a with the feature [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► essentially television large television [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► as part of the premise with [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► which is kind of fun in fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there are just walls that our television [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► screens and a guy Montag's wife is is a [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► getting on him about how she wants the [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► fourth wall to be a screen to so they'll [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► be it's kind of like virtual reality [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that basically will be inside a box of [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► television and so the characters on the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► shows are watching will be all around [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► them and so as a as a satire of you know [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► almost like reality TV and all that I I [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► can see it i'm not sure if I'm like [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► totally behind it but i was i was struck [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► by the fact that it what it's not it is [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it's politics are very different from [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► something like 1984 it's politics are [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► yes a celebration of writing and [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► decrying about of a kind of a coarsening [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► culture that does not appreciate great [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► art which is not at all the same kind of [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► story is something that you get in 94 or [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► something like brave new world and it's [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► it's also bad government overreach to I [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► mean this he was writing this after the [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► whole house of unemployed american path [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► house on American Activities Committee [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► was going on and you know this was kind [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► of a reaction to that the the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► anti-intellectualism of that and so so [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► yeah it's it's about the power of words [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► where 1984 a lot of your other dystopian [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► novels are about the crushing power of [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► words maybe or the the destruction of [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► the words whereas this is literally [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► destroying the books but the words will [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► save you on in both emotions these books [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► there are there are no illicit materials [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that are found in and and red and that [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you know there are there are acts of [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► rebellion and things like that they do [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► have they do definitely have things in [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► common and of course in this case in [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► both books actually it's a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► representative it's a functionary in [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► this totalitarian society who it becomes [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► disaffected and partakes of the band [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► material i mean they do have things in [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► common even though they're coming from [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► pretty different sorts of places i think [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► Bradbury is still hopeful where Orwell [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► is absolutely not no it's debatable [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► there might be a little help there but [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► we'll get we'll get to that the other [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► thing that's funny about this book for [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► me and it struck me reading through both [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► times is there's there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► that's just kind of tacked on a because [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► Bradbury I don't think kind of could [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► figure out what he wanted to do the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► whole into this book is if focuses on [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the fact that there's been rumors of war [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► going on throughout the entire book they [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► they just keep handing a war happening [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► war happening and then suddenly the city [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that he's in has just blown up and [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► they're like oh well we guess we better [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► go back and rebuild everything of a kind [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► of trash back into the civilian it's [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► sort of like where did that come from [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► if the end is really weird like it [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► becomes a chase scene sort of and then [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► there's the he finds the like the hobo [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► camp of college professors and then the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► city gets nuked and the end [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► yeah it's like that's the happy ending [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► yeah the the happy ending is the fact [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► that civilization has just been doomed [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► and now we can rebuild it in and not [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► internet in a new way in the old way [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► that's right well the stupid people are [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► in the city and there's I so that's it [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► burned like books exactly as they should [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► be and you know Orwell was writing a [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► straight novel where is Bradbury's [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► reading pulp stories in the fellas and [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► then threading them together and that's [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► part of why this is in parts and part of [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► why it's a little disjointed and put [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► away just start suddenly becomes a chase [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► and then suddenly ends it's like oh I [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► hit I hit my number where the editor [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► said it was good and that's it and he [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► just kind of left to reach my workout [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► i'm just thinking of the parallels now [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► which I didn't really think before [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► because in addition to him being a [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► functionary you've got his his a boss [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► who basically kind of like lets him in [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► on the secrets and says it's okay and [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you know in this case Montague boss says [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► you know everything happens every [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► fireman you just bring the book back you [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► get 24 hours it's not a big deal you [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► know we'll we'll make it work and that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► that's similar to a point to what [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► happens in 1984 the idea that there i [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► mean it is a clever like elevator pitch [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► which is in the future there are firemen [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► but they start fire [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► that's right that's right that's that's [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► clever and he's and he's troubled and [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the Hound is an interesting character [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► there's a lot of there's a lot of [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► interesting stuff here the big screens [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► and the the the the people who are [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► obsessed with with television [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► essentially although they're in Eric I'm [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► sure that you have similar feelings to [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► me it's like it is a very gendered [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► portrayal it is [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► oh the women with their soap operas are [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► nattering on and they're so annoying and [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► it's it you know it's not it's it's it's [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► the women who are seen as as kind of [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► throwing away their time on the on their [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► on their stories [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► yeah every single woman in the entire [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► story is is that basically and then the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► men are either the firemen or the old [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► guy who invents this magical machine and [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► and loves books or a whole bunch of a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► hobo college professors I don't remember [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► any women being in that group yeah other [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► than Clarice is the only exception right [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► who who is the young woman who you talk [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► to him in both novels though it's a [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► woman who's going to save you know the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► or or at least lift the spirits of the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► main character Clarice and Julia are [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► parallel rhesus is really i mean i hate [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► to use the word you know Matt Pixie [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► dream girl but please is ambiguous [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► exactly she asleep yeah prototype which [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► is why I didn't quit her with women [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► because she's a girl for sure Julia [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► kinda is too will get there but I mean [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► they're both kinda like that but yeah I [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► mean they're not Katniss or anything if [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► you see the movie day is Truffaut makes [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► a couple of really good choices and one [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► of them is he makes Clarice like 20 in [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► her twenties she's a she's a [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► schoolteacher and so that takes away a [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► lot of kind of goofiness of Montag's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► infatuation with this teen girl [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► the other thing that did Truffaut does [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► is at the end of the book when montage [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► makes it to the society of people who [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► memorized the books the people they're [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► actually sit there and memorize the [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► books there's a wonderful sequence of [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the end of the movie where you see these [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► people repeating the words of great [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► literature out loud and they're trying [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► to commit this to memory and it-it-it [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► seen as an arduous and a very precarious [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► task you can you feel like oh any second [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► they're going to make a mistake [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► you know Hamlet is going to suddenly [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► become hamblett or something and it but [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► but in the book it's all kind of like [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► waved away like they say we've we've [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► discovered a magical way to make people [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► memorize books [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► yeah I guess he's trying to get to like [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► all tradition and connect that to books [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► and say that this is all part of this [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► long chain in human society but you know [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the irony here is if you go back to [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► ancient sources the ancient Greeks were [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► very distrustful of people starting to [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► learn to write because they said now [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► you're gonna lose your memory and that's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► terrible you know we're going like the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► idea of people writing down Homer [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► because before then people memorize [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► Homer I am kinda down on this but there [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► are some moments in here that are pretty [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► spectacular and the one that really [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► worked for me is mon togs wife's [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► attempted suicide because it's told so [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► matter-of-factly and and and she just so [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► she swallowed all the pills again and he [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► called someone and they basically said [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► like plumbers to the house to pump her [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► stomach and layer down she doesn't get [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► taken away and then the next day she [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► doesn't even remember or think about it [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► and you get the sense that this is [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► something that she just she does and I [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► what I like about that is not only is it [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► super creepy but there's this [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► undercurrent that like these people are [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► miserable but won't let themselves [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► believe they're miserable and their [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► society is very helpful in not letting [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► them die so they're just sort of stuck [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► forever in this [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► yeah like the plumber guys are like you [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► know we've got three more calls like [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► this we gotta go buddy it's not just her [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► and then when he says what happens if [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► she doesn't get any better and he's [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► there i will just call us again will [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► show up again [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah so weird thats that really [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► stuck with me that was a that was a a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► nice creepy moment of light because you [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► know on the surface it is this sort of [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► Sonny gave Sonny scene and then but [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► beneath the surface it's just like oh [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► yeah she tried to kill herself again [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► will you know just call the guys and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► we'll fix it up until next time to his [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► credit that was that was one of the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► moments that I enjoyed the most pros [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► wise because that is one of the first [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► times that we experience the jets flying [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► overhead as well right you know he [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► realizes when his wife is done at the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► same time like you know the sky is split [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► by this the scream of a jacket or [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► whatever it is and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it was it was it was a beautiful moment [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► in a lot of ways and then and then [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► immediately went right back to being [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► completely matter of fact and it's just [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► these guys with their weird snake to to [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► pump her stomach [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► the thing I like the best was when favor [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► spent like three pages explaining to [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► Montague this exciting little earpiece [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► he was going to give him because you [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► because Montague was so blown away by [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► the idea that there was this radio [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► receiver that was going to stick into [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► his ear and he lives in a world where [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► they have freaking the hounds running [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► around the place but this is what blows [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► him away [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► yeah it's weird it's a weird book there [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► there there are things that i like but [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► um well it's not sort of what i was [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► expecting and I i don't think i would [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► say that I i like the name on tagged [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► isn't even like he's barely a character [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► I mean we did we get his inner life but [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► it didn't feel very lively which I guess [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► is kind of part of the point because you [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► know he's been downtrodden by his [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► society but I feel like instead of you [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► as his awakening into understanding that [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► no books are important instead of that [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► making him more interesting what it [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► actually was the opposite i got more and [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► more annoyed with him as his thinks when [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► I was just like I don't care about you I [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► don't care about the things that you [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► think I'd I was more interested in favor [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► like I wanted to see what he was gonna [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► do but right now is just off to st. [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► Louis or whatever and we didn't get to [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► watch it is i mean it is a weird I guess [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it goes hand-in-hand with bribery's of [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► take on this being a cultural kind of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► degradation that happens when society [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► becomes disconnected from you know art [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► and other things that are the roots of [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► society and so it just becomes this [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► materialistic you know it's just it's [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► just fast cars and everybody's violent [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► and that's all that that's all that is [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► in the society is cars and and talking [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► to your TV's in every single bribery [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► short story someone dies [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► I don't know what he's complaining about [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► I mean he's the guy everyone who writes [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► who's really running violator every [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah finances inside us all the only [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► sort of the actual structure that you [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► get about society is is the fireman like [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► you don't hear a whole lot more about [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► about other stuff you know you got the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► hound and the other police sort of [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► chasing him but it it's implied that [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► it's not a big deal to just run somebody [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► over with a car because if somebody in a [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► car turns around and to try to take a [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► second run and Montague's he's trying to [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► get away because they missing the first [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► time so like they in and being shot is [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► it's not a big deal because that happens [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► to a bunch of people in the high school [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► so it seems like there's probably not [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► not a whole lot in the way of [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► consequences for that sort of thing and [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► then somewhere toward the end you get [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► him or still one of the characters [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► talking about how how this must be why [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► other countries like outside of of their [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► country hate them so much and that was [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► one of the things that really made me [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► think about the United States of today [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► because I having since i moved to Canada [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► I've realized that the sort of i want to [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► say anti-american but just like home [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► OMG America sentiment is but even [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► stronger than I thought it was living in [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► the States [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► well I I still maintain that it is good [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► book i liked it mostly because i think [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► it appeals to my inner elitism and I [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► think that more people should read books [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► about has bad it is surely this out but [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► it looks like you're gonna let your [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► shiny gold flag shine don't hide your [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► elitism under a bushel I I won't but you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► know either there was a study that just [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► came out a little while ago that you [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► know american adults like some [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► ridiculous number have not read one book [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► in the last year and that just blows my [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► we have got to get political but we have [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► a president who just does not like to [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► read books which is struggling to meet I [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► just feel like it's important and Ray [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► Bradbury is writing to someone like me [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► who feels like you know for every decade [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► societies crumbling because not enough [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► people read it's a perennial problem [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► which I guess means it's not really a [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► but I don't like it the incomparable is [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► brought to you in part by Casper Casper [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► is an obsessively engineered mattress [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and shockingly fair price i've been [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► sleeping on a Casper mattress for I'm [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► gonna say a couple of years now and it [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► is great so much better than the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► mattress i had before supportive memory [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► foams creating award-winning sleep [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► surface with just the right sink in just [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► the right balance time magazine named [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► one of the best inventions of 2015 [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that's about when i got mine i'm still [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► very happy with it [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► try Casper for 100 nights risk-free in [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► your home this is the key thing about [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► Casper it comes to shrink wrapped in a [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► box you order it on the internet it [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► comes to your door you open it up it [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► expands to fill the space and you can [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► try it out and if you don't like it [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► guess what you are at no risk from your [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► internet mattress you can sleep on it [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► literally sleep on your purchase for [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► three months and if you don't like it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► they will pick it up and refund you [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► Casper really understands this you need [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► to sleep on a mattress for a few days [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► maybe even for a few weeks before you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► can really be sure that it's going to be [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► right for you because you are going to [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► spend a third of your life sleeping on a [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► mattress so it better be good and if you [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► don't like it you send it back and I [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► love mine so I didn't send it back [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► there's free shipping and returns in the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► US and in Canada and there are over [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► 20,000 reviews an average of 4.8 stars [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► on a 5-point scale so it's quickly [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► becoming the Internet's favorite [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► mattress even the internet needs to [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► sleep people and it sleeps on a caster [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► mattress so here's what you do you need [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► to go to Casper dot-com / Snell and use [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► offer code smell and you'll get fifty [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► dollars toward any mattress purchase [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► that's Casper dot-com / smell [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► terms and conditions apply thank you [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► Casper for sponsoring the uncomfortable [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► alright let's let's talk let's go to the [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► airstrip one and talk about nineteen [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► eighty-four George Orwell is classic I I [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► was telling my wife managed to never [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► read this book i guess like Erica and [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► she still has read it and I I [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► said to her in the past i said to her [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► again I i think it's worth a read [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► I think it is one of the great books of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the 20th century and I think there's a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► lot of great stuff in it [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► I had no memory of it either other than [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► little flashes i read this too young i [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► would say I read this in 1984 but I was [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► in eighth grade then and I think that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that I could not understand a lot of the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► stuff i think i could have used another [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► three or four years honestly and I would [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► have appreciated a much more but i [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► really appreciated going back as an [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► adult to read it [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► obviously this is set in a in a [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► dystopian future that is now past I like [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► that Star Trek does that a lot to its [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► great the eighties oh my god it's the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► far future where uh where there's a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► totality is it the eighties we don't [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► know he doesn't even know it probably is [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► like 84 85 but he doesn't really [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► actually even know what year it is it is [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► a totalitarian government in the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► super-state one of three in the world of [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► Virginia and airstrip one is the former [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► great britain and he's in London winston [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► smith and he works for the the party the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► English socialist party in stock and ma [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► he works for uh hehe is a redactor [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► essentially he revises old newspaper [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► articles to reflect whatever the current [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► political winds are and so if somebody [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► is made to disappear or if if they cut [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► the chocolate ration he might have to [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► rewrite articles to make them seem like [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► the chocolate ration was always that and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► it wasn't cut or perhaps was so low that [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that that the cut seems like a an [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► increase and that's his job and he's a [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► dissident and and doesn't really believe [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► in all of this and has carved out a [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► little hole in his apartment where he [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► cannot be seen by the ever-present [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► telescreens which our TV screens that [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► cannot be shut off and can look at you [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► two and which is very max headroom [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► actually uh yeah so that that's a that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► is 1984 it is a it I really well [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► did I enjoy reading it isn't 1984 meant [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► to be enjoyed [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► I suspect not but I appreciated the the [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► work of it overall whatever whatever [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► else is history with this thing Erica [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► you knew [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► never read it before no i didnt the ID [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► this book was not one that was required [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► in for any of the classes that I like in [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► my school so it wasn't even around that [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► other classes were reading it I just [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► kind of knew of it because you know it's [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► been part of the part of society for so [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► long kind of slipped the phrase big [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► brother is watching is something that [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► churn even I I knew even before Big [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► Brother the reality TV show ya where [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► Bradbury shakes his fist somewhere [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► John reality baby thank you thank you [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► are well for for that show you know ya [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► but yeah so it was it was interesting to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► watch you know I think if watch read huh [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► watch the pages was just why right but [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► the thing is i did watch the the John [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Hurt version of the movie as well and [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► let's let's not talk about no yeah I i [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► do agree that it is a good book it is [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► not I I didn't enjoy it either but I [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► think I don't know when [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► laughs enjoy still weird word to use [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► because i think that it if you get [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► something out of it that sort of counts [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► as enjoyment on on some level and i'm [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► not even sure I got that out of it i [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► think it's a very well done book is [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► doing what it try it was trying to do [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► fairly solidly but it's not a thing that [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► I'm like I'm I guess I'm kind of glad i [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► read it once but but i don't know at [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► this point in history it was much more [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► difficult to read than i expected it to [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► me and I expected it to be difficult i [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► feel like there's a basic cultural [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► literacy though about it but there's so [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► much refers to it that knowing the [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► details of it i think is helpful in just [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► how people refer to it because it is it [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► is such a part of me has such a currency [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and in so many different terms that we [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► use now I feel like it's got gain that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► cultural status that like of the Mona [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► Lisa where you don't even you can't [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► experience the Mona Lisa you are just [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► experience the experience of CM the mona [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► lisa station so it's kind of like you [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► know you don't really need to read 1984 [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► to reference 1984 understand i think [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► reading it makes it much better [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► whatever that means right you you [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► understand the full importance but i'm [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► sure that you should read the books you [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► should be doing that is my bold step [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► looks best when red is what you're [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► saying [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► got it did you remember this book uh I [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► remember reading it I remember account [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► that I knew nothing of what happened i [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► remember the telescreens and big brother [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► always watching but that was about all i [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► read i remembered i remember too happy [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► ending and there's not a happy ending in [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► this book so I don't know where I came [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► from with that but I don't know he seems [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► pretty happy at the end he looked big [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► brother us it was great [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► it's a love story John what's your from [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► 1984 experience [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► oh I I read this in high school I wasn't [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► it was assigned to me we had animal farm [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► assigned to us by red 1984 i was reading [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► a bunch of the air air how you mention [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► they vote in the early eighties for [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► these really grungy dystopias i think it [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► was something about the Reagan years era [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that did that but i read this i read a [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► clockwork orange or red all these things [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and at the time it seemed funnier to me [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► is it as a high school student i guess [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► here yeah I thought I was too cool for [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► school and kind of cynical as i read it [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► now it's just kind of unrelentingly [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► depressing and it's so it's so [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► oppressive and/or will makes this point [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► very early on and i think the other [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► thing that has happened in the time [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► since then as I've read a lot of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► Orwell's essays and I think that he's a [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► better a serious than he is a novelist [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and certainly a lot of the ideas that he [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► covers in 1984 are covered in his essay [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► politics in the English language which [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► is one of the greatest asset is written [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► in English the other greatest SI being [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► shooting an elephant which is also by [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► george orwell and-and-and there he's [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► allowed to be a little bit more direct a [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► little bit more [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► he's not playing with irony the way that [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► he is in this book and so it's a little [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► bit more [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► he's a little more decent to the reader [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► this is kind of I I agree [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► you can't judge a book on whether or not [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► you it brings you enjoyment in the sense [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► that you feel a thrill [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► there are certainly points to this book [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► where you feel chills or you profoundly [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► disturbed and there are profoundly [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► starkly beautiful images but there's [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► also a lot of that xserve expositional [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► writing where people spend a lot of time [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► saying as you know this this is the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► society we live in [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► but let me explain it to you anyway let [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► me read you this book that explains [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► see that that's something that you can [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► tell that he is an SAS and this actually [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► reminded me to of brave new world which [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► which john i read for sophomore lid on [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► 74 you haven't done an episode about [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► that for sophomore let ya know it's [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► pretty striking while the iron is hot [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► you just read it you don't have to read [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► together on the both of those books [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► basically stopped for you to read [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► another work that is going to be quoted [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► at length and I always felt like that [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► was kind of a a cheap trick that that [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► it's basically like here's this book by [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► Manuel goldsteins you should read it and [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► then like we proceeded to read large [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► passenger but yes I was gonna say you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► know I that Johnny I believe you that he [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► is a better SAS know but you know I've [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► never read any of his essays oh wait yes [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► I have this right it looks like you know [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► you know yeah and that was that stuff [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► when he's like okay as a novelist she's [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► like throwing up his hands like all [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► right I'm gonna have a marine SI and [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► here it is that was kind of the point [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that I sort of just jumped off in this [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► now i really like the topic I ain't [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► enjoyed the beginning because i was sort [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► of you know feeling out the edges of [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► this world from the perspective of the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► main character and I think thought that [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► was very skillfully done it was really [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► interesting to discover the way the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► world worked piece by piece as it was [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► being revealed to us through the eyes of [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► this Porsche lobby character but as we [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► went on this Porsche lobby character [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► that kind of same as in Fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► I didn't really care that much about the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► character and yes again i'm sure it was [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► it is a part of that world you don't [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► have all that much in her life because [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you've been so stamped down from the [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► outside but it there was real [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► nothing once I've kind of gotten an idea [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► of the world he inhabited nothing that [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► sort of drew me to him and then we get [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► this female character who I'm excited by [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► it first and then realize oh no she's [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► not really treated hell that well either [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► from the point of view of the of the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► writer she doesn't she doesn't care [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► about anything she wants to get laid [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► okay well so I just and then there's the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► essay and at that point I was just like [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► I don't care anymore excusing the rest [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► of this sucker i can see both sides of [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► it right because yes on one level [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► she's just having sex with people but on [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► another level i would say this is her [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► act of rebellion against the state she's [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► forced to be in the anti-sex League you [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► know all these things and this is her [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► act of rebellion which was good i I [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► thought that was cool and then you know [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► it but then and then she falls in love [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► with him which I have mixed feelings [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► about you know love love can be great [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► but then that becomes her only defining [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► character characteristic for the rest of [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the book she doesn't really care about [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► rebelling against Big Brother she's only [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► doing what she's doing [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► so that she can be close to the man that [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► she has fallen in love with after all [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that sexy show so sharp edged up to the [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► up to that point and then she just kind [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► of recedes into the background right [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► after that you [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► yeah David I didn't give you a chance to [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► weigh in here [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► yeah I i actually had the commemorative [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► 1984 edition right when the sort of [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► blocky chunky letter up lettering on the [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► cover when i read in 8th grade and and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► but i but i never got through it until [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► 1988-89 in senior year and yeah it [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► it reads really differently when your [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► teen because you know at that point you [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► know I'd been reading a lot of science [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► fiction but so I appreciate the world [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► building and you're kinda like all these [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► cool slogans oh that's a clever [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► combination of words no doublethink ya [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► ando mini true [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► whoo that's great and and then you start [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► getting into the the characters and the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► story you're like okay that's you know [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► and then you hit the essay [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► yeah and now it's the you know the world [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► building is still very good but now you [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► see after 25 some 30 years [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► you see the the combinations of words [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and the double think the inn in real [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► life and you're going oh that's not [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► really clever with world-building that's [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► actually happening [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► Oh God and it's much darker and more [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► depressing so I mean it i would say it [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► is a great book i can't say i like it [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► but it's a great book you have to you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► should read it one of the nice things in [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► that a.m animal farm episode of [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► sophomore lid which is good i recommend [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► it to people it's a it's a really fun [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► although John you and Elliot sort of [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► spent a lot of time like not talking [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► about the book before perfect talking [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► about the book but the point that I [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► think Elliot made in that episode is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► george orwell eric blair was a socialist [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► but he was also waste a pretty strident [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► anti Stalinist and that a lot of his [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► work is commentary on you know it's not [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► just about like future peril it's about [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► the Soviet Union and about the way that [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► information is controlled in the Soviet [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► Union and so great you know that that is [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► you know some of what he's doing here is [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► not is not a warning about the future [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► it's a warning about his present and I [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► think that's kind of one interesting way [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► of looking at it also getting back to [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► him being an SAS yeah you can really [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► read this whole book as being somebody [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► who is really interested in the idea of [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► a new language that suppresses nuanced [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► and that you can control your society by [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► coming up with a new language and that [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► he kind of built a whole story around [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► that because at its core I think [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► sometimes the Newspeak is what this is [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► kind of about and the fact that it ends [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► with a lengthy essay about Newspeak that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► is interestingly enough and this is the [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► glimmer of hope it is written kind of [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► from an in world perspective word is [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► referred to as something that happened [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► in the past but it's written standard [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► English so the suggestion is that in the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► end this regime did fall and that [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► English standard English returned [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► because of that sa but I but you know [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► that aside it sort of feels to me like [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► the essay was really wanted to do [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► andrea was a way to explore those [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► concepts about what if we had you know [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► double plus good and I'm good and you [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► know I and and boiling the language down [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► to this tiny controlled set of words one [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► that was kind of thing at the time right [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► taking a thought experiment and building [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► it out and then turning it into a novel [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► and say okay what would we do in this [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► situation and and so it's not written [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► like like a prose craftsman like coming [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► up with a great plot and prose [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► everything it's it's how can we tell [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► this lesson through fiction and you know [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► the Inklings doodle did it a little bit [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► and r and then it a little bit [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► there's I mean there's literally like a [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► hundred and fifty page segment of Atlas [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► Shrugged that is a radio speech that [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► supposedly takes an hour and like no [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► that's about five days I i think that [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► it's worth reading this book simply for [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► this very reason because today we're so [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► steeped in server a post Raymond Carver [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► world where in the literary world at [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► least the the pinnacle of literature is [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► writing convincing characters and [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► writing convincing dialogue and having [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► this and run these moments that feel [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► real and we've got we've gotten kind of [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► so into that and we forgot that there [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► are other ways to write books and [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► certainly I think the mid-century [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► everyone was writing [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► ideabooks I mean with brave new world [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► was ideabook this is an idea but yeah a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► lot of science fiction around this time [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► are ideabooks but a lot of major works [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► of literature are were ideabooks too i [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► think what's interesting when you when [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► you mentioned that Jason that the last [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► essay they're being written serve in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► World the about the Newspeak it actually [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► reminded me why I was reading it through [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► of the fact the appendix to the [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► handmaid's tale which is also lets it [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► was sort of this ostensibly scholarly [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► look back on the book you've just read [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► and it kind of it has very strict a [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► strange effect where your kind of [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► invited to look at this whole book that [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► you've wrapped in now as well we don't [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► know whether this was true or not or [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► whether this was a work of propaganda [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► or what it was and up till now you've [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► been very deeply invested in the the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► characters and and that's a lot of [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► people point to that ending of the book [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► is though it's something kind of a Miss [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► misstep almost i don't know i don't want [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► to read that book but it had that same [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► effect at the end of 94 of kind of [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► popping me out of this world and making [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► me look at everything as you know ideas [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► and stand-ins for you know Stalinism or [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► whatever it's funny you mentioned [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► margaret atwood right because one of the [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► pieces that i read in prepping for this [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► podcast isn't is an essay by margaret [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► atwood about that final essay in 1984 so [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► i think was definitely hiring [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► influential to her [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► perhaps what even when writing [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► handmaid's tale and she she's one of [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► those people who believes that you know [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► you need to read it as a not just you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► know it's not written as hey it's me [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► george orwell let me talk about Newspeak [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► it's like scholarly work in world and [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► you know science fiction readers are [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► more used to that conceit maybe then [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► then people who are reading more [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► mainstream stuff but it's an important [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► distinction that it's it's sort of not [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► breaking the the the wall in order to [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► talk about how the book was done it's [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► been it's instead this retrospective [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► thing but I mean you also see that this [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► is what drives him this is the thing [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► stuff he's most interested in we've seen [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► it in something like politics in the [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► English language this is the stuff that [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► george orwell was fascinated by and that [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► the story itself i do think the story [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► suffers in from modernize in the fact [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► that we have seen a lot of dystopias now [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► and and so perhaps it in 1949 this would [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► have been a lot fresher but a lot of [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► people have done this kind of dystopian [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► since then so there's there's less [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► shocked in in in what you see in it [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► although they're funny moments I mean [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► you you know that the the it's almost [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► like a comedy gag where he keeps taking [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► out of cigarettes and the tobacco flies [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► out of them [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► that's money and make and and they talk [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► about the victory gin which I mean I [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► don't even want to know what's in it but [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► it's he describes in detail and its [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► second and it sounds terrible oily yeah [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► that's good in the end the coffee that's [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► not any good and the chocolate rations [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► which when he finally have some real [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► chocolate he describes what the actual [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► chocolate tastes like after complaining [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► about them cutting the rations and it's [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► like something that was from like some [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► it's like the Ash left over after [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► something burned is what the chocolate [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► tastes like so there's i do think that [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► there's some funny things in there too [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► or when O'Brien uh gives him a drink and [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► since it's called wine [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► yeah well as for i knows this is [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► something i was i was gonna ask erica to [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► how much of knowing the tropes and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► knowing the details you know coming at [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► this fresh it's it's you know you don't [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► know those things and like even my my [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► children no big brother than a Winston [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Smith they know we have always they do [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► jokes we have always been at war with my [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► brother right now see I didn't even know [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that they haven't read the book right [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► but they've seen references to it online [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► they've seen references and TV shows or [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► other things and so we were talking it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► over like the other day the 15 year olds [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► like when he reading is 1984 and the int [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► runs through all these things [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► war is peace and you know and then a [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► commercial for whose adaptation of the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► handmade and the handmaid's tale comes [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► on and he's riveted he's like what's [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► so it's based on a book by margaret [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► atwood what's going on well here's the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► basic story and he got more and more [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► upset as i was telling him just like the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► blurb from the book right and that's not [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► even you know that's like the tiniest [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► amount of detail of the thing and I [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► think i'm curious to see what happens if [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► and when he reads that without any of [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the preamble that he had four 1984 like [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► 1984 he knows it right [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► yeah he's hurt at all yeah well I've I [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► felt like I really only had the very [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► broadest broad strokes I I knew even [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► less than your kids did I didn't know [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► the characters name you know if I heard [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► the phrase Ministry of Truth didn't [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► actually know what it referred to and [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► they knew that long five uses the same [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► terms and that's a 94 reference you [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► might have gotten it from there [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► that actually probably is where i doing [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► and it's another 30 number huh and and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► yes I used Italian totalitarian society [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► and he and I knew the big brother you [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► know they were they were being watched [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► all the time and i think i heard that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► police that really that was it I mean [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► for me it was it was sort of like I had [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► these tentpole phrases and everything [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► was just sort of coloring in and filling [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it in but I certainly as difficult as it [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► was to read in part because of the way [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► the world is today but it's still [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► nothing compared to what I experienced [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► when i read The Handmaid's Tale which [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► many years ago because that actually [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► felt like a personal story told right [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the point of view of a character [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► this was the outline of a character who [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► was you know sort of swooping his way [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► through this world and the world [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► illustrate the worldly matters [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► yeah I will say also that not to get to [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► trivialize this but I mean when you get [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► to the point where star trek the next [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► generation does an entire hour about [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► breaking a character in a bit and [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► torture chamber in order to get them to [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► say two plus two is five essentially i [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► think that we've you know as a society [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► we have as a as a pop culture we have [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► processed what happens in the last act [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► 1984 and kind of spat it out the other [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► side now so as effective as it is i [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► think that at the same time like we've [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► all processed it now and that that is I [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► feel bad because that you know this is [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► this is what happens to works that are [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► this influential is that it's hard to [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► judge them as being as influential [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► unites deserving as they should be [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► because all of it has you know it [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► seriously you read that and you're like [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► oh yeah there are there are four lights [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► right i mean it's like it's the same [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► thing and it's like yeah okay but almost [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► every 1960 spy TV show did a variation [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► on the Asher sequence right was always [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► let's play the entire here in our room [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► and break him and the entirety of the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► prisoners especially and and when I was [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► so young adult novels and held today [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► exactly right so that you see that [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► influence influential nature of it but [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that makes it hard to kind of you know [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► it's hard to hard to judge it there i [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► wanted the the thing decor this we [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► talked about it a little bit but the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► thing that really i think has the most [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► residents is [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► is this idea of information and [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► controlling information and and yes and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► language and how people talk and the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► idea of getting people to believe things [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► it in the in a way like fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► some of the people don't care but also [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► its this complete control like if we [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► tell you something that is false and and [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► say it's true then you will believe it [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► and if you if you try to check up on us [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you will find that all of the [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► information its kind of gas lighting on [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► a grand scale like then all of your all [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► of your all of your reference material [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► will agree with the lie and at one point [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► Smith and when he's being tortured says [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► to himself well everything in the world [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► happens in our minds as interpreted by [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► our minds and every mind believes this [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► thing to be true then is it not true and [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► I thought I found that fascinating the [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► idea that that its core this is a book [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► about complete control of information [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► and that if you can control information [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► you control reality because that's all [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that is required [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► yeah I i used to work at a biotech [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► company that in was interested the CEO [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► is interested in research into the brain [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► and some really kind of out-there stuff [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► and we would have conferences from time [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► to time and some of the presentations of [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the conference's talking about brain [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► chemistry and the way the human brain [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► processes its input and you know what [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► what the nature of reality is and how [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► much it's actually based on the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► chemicals in the brain and what [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► receptors they happen to attach [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► themselves to the idea that that yeah [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► that everybody just choosing to believe [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► something different and in that this one [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► character is the guy who's actually [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► crazy and it's everybody else that's [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► saying isn't that far off from some of [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► the the the research and the the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► theories that I had learned about the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► path so that was that was uncomfortable [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► in an entirely different level like oh [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► my god what what if he did flowed out of [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► the room but that could be a thing so [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► yeah it was trippy it's also i mean [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► talking about the earpiece in fahrenheit [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► 451 and there's some there's some [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► interesting tech and brave new world [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► that John and I talked about an event [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that episode of sophomore lit in 1984 [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► I'm struck by the [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► it is in a totalitarian state with [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► complete surveillance like Winston Smith [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► got his little cubbyhole where he cannot [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► make noise but he can write in his [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► notebook without being seen by the [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► telescreen but I'm struck by the fact [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► that there's no I mean other than [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► essentially CCTV there's no like [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► location surveillance so it nor is there [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► a it seems like a like a data trail kind [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of concept so he's able to get on a [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► train out into the country and walk [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► around and end up in the woods and then [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► meet Julia and he's able to do that [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► maybe they go by different means in case [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► they're followed but I did think oh haha [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► yeah you can do that today right because [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► you would have to explain why your cell [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► phone wasn't on or leave it behind and [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► you'd be you have to pay for the ticket [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► with a code that is tied to you and all [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► these things that I kept thinking about [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► how there would be plenty more [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► technology has created plenty more ways [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► to exert control over population than [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► then you even see in 1984 [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► yeah and actually in in that case it's [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► almost a little more fahrenheit 451 [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► esque in that you know the population [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► has voluntarily given up information [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► about where they are i mean how many [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► people have their GPS just turned on [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► their cell phone all the time whereas [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► you know if they if they did have that [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► technology right it would be very [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► difficult for them to to sneak away [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► yeah it's interesting it's an [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► interesting world in that there's [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► actually very little high technology in [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► this world it's it's all just kind of [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► reconfiguring things that sort of [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► existed in 1948 when he was writing this [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► book but the the and the other thing [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► that's interesting to me is that the [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► proletariat class [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► it seems to be kind of left to their own [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► devices they seem to be they seem to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► have more of a connection to the past [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► and what's interesting is that being a [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► member of the upper class seems to be a [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► trap as far as as Winston is concerned [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► but it it it's remarkable in a way this [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► book you know I was talking about how [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► Bradbury as a kind of an autodidact was [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► kind of pushing his way up [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► and making a case for elitism or well [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► came from a server impoverished [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► gentility he is like his grandfather had [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► a noble title i don't think it it [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► persisted to is his day but he went [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► through you know all the education [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► everything but but he let his life like [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► living amongst the slums and he actually [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► wrote a book about like living rough in [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► the streets of Paris and London and so [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► he has this kind of a romantic view of [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► what it means to be poor and it's kinda [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► like you know the pulp song common [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► people i always feel it's kind of a [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► little bit uh it's a little bit [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► condescending I i'm struck the polls are [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► very interesting in this because they [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► they have their they have the bars and [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► they they get to drink beer and they can [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► be those of they can read things I mean [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► it the the whatever they said seventeen [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► percent of the population who can read [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► and they have their lottery that they [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► talk about I mean you you get it is a [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► little bit of like the preparations for [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► like they have sport they have like [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► football and beer and things like that [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► and they're there in some ways they seem [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► happier than the miserable people in the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► party in the outer party like winston [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► smith that's interesting also a unlike [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► something like like brave new world [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► which is is weird and creepy but it's [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► also super shiny and futuristic one of [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► the things that Orwell doesn't do here [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► is have 1984b futuristic anyway there [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► are the telescreens and they provide [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► this this complete viewing of everybody [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► they can see you but like the world is [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► just awful like its battered and [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► everything is rationed and they the [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► things other than the government [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► buildings everything is run down and you [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► can get this grimy you get the sense [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► that the whole world yeah there's that [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► moment where he goes to fix the [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► neighbors the pipe in the neighbors sink [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► and he looks at her and says she looks [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► almost like she has dust in the cracks [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► you know in the increases in her face [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► and then she stands in better light was [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► like oh she does she does have dust on [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► her face because everything is just [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► dusty and grey and green [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► and battered and falling apart and I [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► kinda like that about it that this is [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► Aidan you know it's not a futuristic [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► world where we've traded our freedom for [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► comfort [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► it is a drab awful totalitarian [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► government where nobody has anything he [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► tries to find out find an old pro who [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► could tell him like was it better in the [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► old days who cannot answer his question [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► but I I like that about it yeah and that [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► ties into what John was saying earlier [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► about the technology really just sort of [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► you know somewhat being a rehash of the [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► technology that they had him and he [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► makes a point in one of the sah parts [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► i'm talking about why that happens [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► because you're quashing so much of the [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► the creativity in the free thought I [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► mean the one person the guy who was [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► helping make the Newspeak dictionary the [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► 11th version i had actually had such a [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► quick mind and with was an intelligent [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► fellow my mind of course Winston Winston [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► yes once knew he was going to disappear [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► and then and then he did because anybody [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► who is it is smart and creative enough [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► to come up with a new technology that [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► would be helpful for everyone gets gets [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► disappeared and vaporize pretty quick [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► and he mentions that the all the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► engineers are set to just improving the [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► weapons that can kill people [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► weapons that can kill people [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► when they already have the the nuclear [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► bomb that can kill most effectively but [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► they spend all their time you know [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► making poison gas and floating [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► fortresses that are slightly better than [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► others just to use up the resources so [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► that nobody can be happy [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► yes I'm story is really great because [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► that is a that is a wonderful bit piece [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► of I think satire as well which is which [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► is Simon is a true believer right he [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► believes in the party and everything [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► that's going on but he's still a threat [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► because he's too smart and he he don't [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► want they don't want people who are that [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► intelligent and can think that far ahead [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► because that is dangerous to the party [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► the party doesn't want outliers even if [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► they're on the parties side and so sign [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► is doomed [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► even though he's totally on the side of [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► the party because he's just he's too [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► bright and to creative and that is a [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► that is a very cutting thing about how [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► like this is not this is not a system [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► designed to bring out the best in people [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► and to advance the best people it is it [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► is meant to crush everybody even at its [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► own death into its own detriment which [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► is what happens [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► yeah and the character of persons who is [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► kind of the opposite is he's he's an [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► idiot but he's totally into the party [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► and he is he's all for it [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► he he does the activities he raises the [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► money for the bunting he's teaching his [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► kids to be good and of course they spy [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► on him and his supposedly in his sleep [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► he was talking about death big brother [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► and so he ends up in prison and one [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► assumes killed sure you're wanted on the [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► core 101 right yeah yeah it's a young [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► person's Parsons rides rises high in the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► party because he is he is he's dumb and [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► and a true believer right and so he's [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► he's not threatening in any way I [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► actually I mean if you back it out like [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► in brave new world there are a lot of we [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► see into the inner workings of the kind [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► of titans who control that society and [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► in 1984 we don't like we see a Brian [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► who's in the inner party and he's got [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► wine to prove it right but like big [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► brother is strongly and prot implied [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► that big brother does not exist and [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► perhaps never did exist and you do one [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► of the things i kinda like also about [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► this society is [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► it's like an empty machine like the [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► society is running itself at this point [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► there is no dictator to speak of [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► there is just the party and it's [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► completely faceless and that's [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► interesting because if there are people [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► in positions of power then they can be [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► corrupt and they can be taken advantage [TS]