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182: ‘AAA Podcast’, With Special Guest Marco Arment

 

00:00:00   I just kind of feel like like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   discovered fills in San Francisco once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3">TS</a>]

00:00:06   last year and I'm probably never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09   go there again I guess what I looked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9">TS</a>]

00:00:12   the map and there is a philsie within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   few blocks of the san jose convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/17">TS</a>]

00:00:18   oh yeah alright yeah ok hydrogen-ion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/18">TS</a>]

00:00:21   there a lot it's like not like across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23   the street but it's probably about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   close as the one the just couple blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   as we go to get place that's AII do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   wonder how different the culture of sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   I've never been to San Jose like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   been only and only a handful of times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   Silicon Valley at all and and so San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   Jose is is even less familiar to me than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   the rest of it and but you've got to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   couple events here in there right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   including the only time I ever set foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   and in San Jose was the 2012 in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/51">TS</a>]

00:00:55   October event so isn't the one a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/55">TS</a>]

00:00:59   after the big iphone event they did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   iPads and I think that was when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   current form factor of the imac debuted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/63">TS</a>]

00:01:06   with the inside not yet retina of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/66">TS</a>]

00:01:10   yeah and was the last public event Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/70">TS</a>]

00:01:14   held while Scott Forstall was was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   executive yeah I was that was I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/76">TS</a>]

00:01:21   so I still remember like the day that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   that he was officially announced as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   being out we were actually Tiffany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/85">TS</a>]

00:01:26   vacation seattle i was like in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   weird clothing store with her like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   killing time my phone I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   catch up on what the heck just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   everyone was exploding about it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/95">TS</a>]

00:01:35   yeah I don't know it so speaking of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   of our imax though I have a bone to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   with you about that I believe that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   you and I have the same 2014 first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/103">TS</a>]

00:01:46   5k imac correct does yours have problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/106">TS</a>]

00:01:50   the image retention know you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/110">TS</a>]

00:01:54   well either that or rarely I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   it it's possible that maybe I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/116">TS</a>]

00:01:59   maybe if my eyes were what they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   be i would see it but it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   like yours here's why here's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   would see in particular because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/125">TS</a>]

00:02:08   most commonplace I see it this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   started happening over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/131">TS</a>]

00:02:12   and and it's I know you're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   yeah exactly just happened over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   few months and it's getting worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   quickly and so what happens is I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   talking about burning like I'm plasma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   TVs right you have a something burning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/143">TS</a>]

00:02:24   forever talking about LCD image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   retention where basically you you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   of see like the ghost image of what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   there before for a few minutes and i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   get like fades over like a minute or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   so if you have something high-contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   up for five or ten minutes say so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   instance when your podcasting and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   have a couple windows up there might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   have like text no to skype window or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/164">TS</a>]

00:02:45   whatever else and then you go to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   web browser and you load a dark grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   website then you will see the shadows of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/170">TS</a>]

00:02:55   your formerly in those spots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   black-and-white windows you will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/177">TS</a>]

00:03:00   those very clearly against the gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   background of the website you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/182">TS</a>]

00:03:03   at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/183">TS</a>]

00:03:04   yeah it's ok for avi almost always gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   me 4a to 5a exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/186">TS</a>]

00:03:10   I on my previous display and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   ancient I I used to talk about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/193">TS</a>]

00:03:15   podcast but before getting this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17   this 5k imac what was that like two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   a half years ago now i guess yeah i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   using a 20 inch apple cinema display not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/204">TS</a>]

00:03:28   24-inch 20-inch from Cochise must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/208">TS</a>]

00:03:32   like 2000-2002 or something I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   don't know it was really maybe it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   quite that old but it was really pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/217">TS</a>]

00:03:38   old and I was sort of in a Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/218">TS</a>]

00:03:43   situation where I it was long past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/223">TS</a>]

00:03:48   point where I could have easily afforded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/228">TS</a>]

00:03:49   to replace it and they're all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   good options i could have bought but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/232">TS</a>]

00:03:53   was sort of hoping for something ratna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/233">TS</a>]

00:03:56   for ever and ever and ever and so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   kept putting it off it's like there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   way I'm spending a thousand dollars on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01   an Apple even no matter how you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   guess they were 30 inch for a while then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   they went to 27 inch but I just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   feel like buying it got to have retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   knowing that retinol would come out any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   year now for Morrison years and years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   my i was using and that display after it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17   must have been over had to be at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/257">TS</a>]

00:04:18   10 years old and I used it every day had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   terrible image retention and i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   exactly where you're going because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   website was the nipple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   open it really is like most if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/265">TS</a>]

00:04:28   dealing with other black-and-white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   windows you don't really see it as often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   but when you when you've had something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   black and white up for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/273">TS</a>]

00:04:34   you switch to a large expanse of grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   you see it very clearly and you and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   initial thought is always I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   realize that Safari was translucent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   exactly like I I always I always think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   it's like window translucency and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   like oh that's that's a weird design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49   oh wait that isn't a design is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/289">TS</a>]

00:04:50   when i first encountered it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   exactly what I thought is I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   maybe at some point I did hit some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   of weird i died i diddled something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   the terminal with defaults write write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   trying to let you know calm calm down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   apple start safari / you know their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   space translucency equals 91 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   something like that right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   because that's exactly what I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   sorry about that but now now that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12   it's an imax oh and it's my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   computer and system attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   I don't want to send this thing in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   repair not using my main computer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   like two weeks or however long it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   to get it actually fixed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/321">TS</a>]

00:05:22   two-and-a-half years under even daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   seems like too soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   honestly yeah I I don't like and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29   like Oh am I gonna get one that has used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   the same problem are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/331">TS</a>]

00:05:32   I'm always worried that not even gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/332">TS</a>]

00:05:33   believe me or that or that i can replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   it because they don't think they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/335">TS</a>]

00:05:36   think it's bad enough you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   though i don't mean there's not i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   have a lot of basis for those feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   it's just like it's such a it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   hassle to send away my main computer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/343">TS</a>]

00:05:47   repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/347">TS</a>]

00:05:47   especially the larger get a laptop i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   could bring into a genius bar maybe have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   something faster maybe but like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/351">TS</a>]

00:05:54   it's such an ordeal haul this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   anywhere and ship it anywhere and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   don't know i don't like my current plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   is to just hope that they do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   with like an imac pro or a mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   sometime this year before my applecare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/365">TS</a>]

00:06:09   runs out in october and then i can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   buy the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   send this in for repair and then when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   get back from repair sell it if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   got application should definitely do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/378">TS</a>]

00:06:19   although you have to be without it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   it's a pain yeah it's like I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   to switch to my new crappy keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   touch bar you know I haven't I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   bought applecare since 1991 the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   reason I bought it on this and and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   with you most of the time you learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/392">TS</a>]

00:06:33   the bottom this is that apple care that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   the pricing is based on these tears of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   the product they apply to a fourteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   hundred dollar imac has the same apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/401">TS</a>]

00:06:44   care costs as a 4500 are fully loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   one right and so I was buying the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/406">TS</a>]

00:06:50   first generation of a new thing of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   5k and so I thought you know what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   only like 200 bucks or something was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   was not a lot of money for what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   something like a 4400 all configurations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   because i got like really maxed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   because my main computer and I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   you know at the ratio their pay so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   don't really get it for anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   but in in cases where like you're buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   early maxed-out configure something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   often does pay off because it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/432">TS</a>]

00:07:13   low relative cost i think we might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   literally the same machine i know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   actually do you know I max out the ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   32 gigs and i would if i could you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   a terabyte right i think i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   terabyte drive because I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/445">TS</a>]

00:07:26   wouldn't you want it because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   only drive i keep attachments to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/448">TS</a>]

00:07:29   time actually don't even know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/449">TS</a>]

00:07:33   that's something but wow it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   a terabyte I don't see how i would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   able to function if it wasn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   terabyte and then what I get the 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   gigahertz intel core i7 yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   ya think ya enjoy enjoy a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   screen you will know quickly if it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   becomes a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/470">TS</a>]

00:07:51   yes iiiir my dr 999 point three eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/471">TS</a>]

00:07:54   gigabytes just bullshit i ripped off you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   get the full terabyte yeah I boy I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/477">TS</a>]

00:08:01   hope i get i hope i can fix this easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04   I don't know ATP tipster said that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   was a problem with that with the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   that we have the 2014 but they fixed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   for the 2015 model and just still the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   current model but i guess i can have new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   ones like in marks or whatever who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   with yeah we can get to march and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   have to have to get to that to Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22   kind of sounds like apples gonna release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   like 15 things in marks like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   that's kind of what like all the rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   are pointing to like for ipads new imacs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/507">TS</a>]

00:08:32   new 12-inch MacBook one you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   like and new watch bands and who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   what on the software side you know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   ipad stuff maybe I mean there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   that there is such a giant list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   things that rumor people expect to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/523">TS</a>]

00:08:44   launched in march it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   you see this i don't have been into link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   to it and I haven't because I forget why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   i think it might be because i can't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   the guys name and I keep you and I ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/533">TS</a>]

00:08:56   into the same thing with somebody on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   Twitter recently the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   omd or something like that or yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   didn't he like didn't have his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   anywhere in any of the stuff we both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/544">TS</a>]

00:09:05   want to link to a man named you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   they like nice and right like i always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   say i think he didn't he responded sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   like he didn't want to be named Lucy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   evenly first name was the hardest and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   said something like he's building this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17   brand on AMD or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   it's it's harder for me to link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   somebody who is anonymous and idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   really gets me and I had to say it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   you but it it's true is it was often it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   seems like I link a lot less frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   anymore to people who have tumblr blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   just anecdotally but back when tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   was sort of at its peak as a blogging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/575">TS</a>]

00:09:38   platform like I'm not saying that tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   is is in decline but i think it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   decline for the sort of blogging that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   tend to link to return fireball an awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   lot of of tumblr sites don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   the person's real name on it it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   their their tumblr handle and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   always a big hassle for me and have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   like figure out what their twitter name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   was and go to their twitter page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   find a real name from there like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   didn't even seem like it was people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   are trying to hide their name it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/602">TS</a>]

00:10:03   sort of idiomatic for tumblr but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   there's this site here that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   actually was actually designed that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   like we we meant it to be like as in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/609">TS</a>]

00:10:12   they like the same way that like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/612">TS</a>]

00:10:13   account could have multiple blogs right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/613">TS</a>]

00:10:16   and that the there would be no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17   tell unless you put it there which blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/617">TS</a>]

00:10:21   belong to which account arrives like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   know if it was very easy to create an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   anonymous things that weren't tied to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   your main identity and that was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   much intentional because like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/629">TS</a>]

00:10:30   else the time like to keep my like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   made tumblr as kind of a response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/632">TS</a>]

00:10:35   myspace and Facebook and and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   big social networks that work that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   big when we started in 2006 and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   Twitter wasn't really and Twitter exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   if it wasn't big so that was really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45   response to those that were all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   getting your real name and putting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   your stuff out in public under your real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   name and you know it a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   can't or won't give their real name for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   a lot of stuff they want to do online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   and so you you enable a lot more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01   creativity and different types of uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   if you if you allow people to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   anonymous so that was kind of that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   kinda like the ethos from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08   of like you can make a different blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   it's no risk it's not gonna like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   know look bad upon you this is before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   all the hate crap that we have today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   think it might be a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   calculation their way back then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   most of the haight was confined to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21   French forms and stuff and they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   really on tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   I don't even know they are now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   think they are but regardless of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/685">TS</a>]

00:11:29   idea of getting like anonymous identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   out there very very easily was quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   positive thing in 2006 anyway I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   saying that like it's to a guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   Thomas for Shirin at very short dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   here's a Twitter link so i got his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/701">TS</a>]

00:11:44   from there but anyway he is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   interesting speculation hear that and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/705">TS</a>]

00:11:48   it's purely his guess it doesn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   he's not claiming any sort of sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   but what he's saying is that when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   made standalone displays they tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   sell them for a long time the 27th LED [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   display was on sale for three years the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/718">TS</a>]

00:12:01   27-inch Thunderbolt Display was on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   for five years I guess they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   selling it for today today they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   sell that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   I don't even know no no no they just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   know like a year and a half ago so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   can't even buy an outdated apple display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   at this point no like that mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   might go to find somebody left in stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   but happy to have someone new for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   while so here's his gas is his gas is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/738">TS</a>]

00:12:22   the that Apple didn't want to release a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   5k standalone cinema display back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   October when they did all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   macbooks that could use them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/750">TS</a>]

00:12:33   they weren't yet ready to sell one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   true tone because they don't have true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   tone in the imac either none of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   desktop max2 and so is he says here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/758">TS</a>]

00:12:42   conclusion if you were Apple what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43   you choose to do release and I an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   5k cinema display in 2016 and then sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   it for a few years unchanged without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   true tone or push the LG display in 2016 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/770">TS</a>]

00:12:54   as a stopgap and release an apple 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/774">TS</a>]

00:12:58   true tone display some time in 2017 so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   that is anybody who's still holding on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   to a thread of hope that Apple hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/784">TS</a>]

00:13:05   abandoned the standalone display game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/785">TS</a>]

00:13:08   which I would not bet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   of suspect that they are done but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   there's this there's a wee bit of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   here in my opinion I mean so the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/794">TS</a>]

00:13:18   about like you know they they tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   have these displays the last for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   certain amount of time throw that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/801">TS</a>]

00:13:22   out doesn't matter right doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   doesn't matter how long things have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   out like five years they did this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   very small sample size Apple does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   artificially hold things back simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   because the last one is only three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   old instead of four years old I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   that's that's it's this is too small the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   correlation to matter and that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/817">TS</a>]

00:13:38   they really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/818">TS</a>]

00:13:39   I think the only question here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   whether whether we believe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   would hold back this display and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   through the kind of a assume the LG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   Display was perfect which it isn't but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   assuming LG Display was perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   they still took a big PR hit in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/832">TS</a>]

00:13:55   push that as this as the solution and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   have the idea out there floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   unchallenged for months that and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   so far that they are out of this display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04   yeah but what if they had no choice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   more but it is that is that more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/845">TS</a>]

00:14:08   then them wanting to save true tone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/848">TS</a>]

00:14:12   the imac they don't sell them anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/852">TS</a>]

00:14:13   access whole lot more laptops it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   not surprise me if when the Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   Display that they just read that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   they discontinued recently that one when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23   it was new it wouldn't surprise me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   that outsold the imac when it was new it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   but it might not but they sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   laptops and cell a lot of these displays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   for laptops for their laptops and so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/872">TS</a>]

00:14:36   don't see them holding back something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   that their customers very clearly want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   replacing a product that was incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   out of date only for the purpose of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/884">TS</a>]

00:14:47   of its really minor features like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/887">TS</a>]

00:14:50   jumping ahead of the imac getting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   same feature is that it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53   like that would be important enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/893">TS</a>]

00:14:54   them to justify the downside of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   strategy but if the original plan was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   like a year in advance or well over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   year ago if they had hoped to also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   5k imax at the end of 2016 2 with two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/902">TS</a>]

00:15:05   tone and all things just maybe if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/905">TS</a>]

00:15:10   plausible buy homes i'm not saying how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   likely it is but the whole thing seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/913">TS</a>]

00:15:14   plausible to me that it's some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   engineering / supply chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   screw up or you know maybe screw-up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/919">TS</a>]

00:15:22   too harsh of award but something didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   go according to plan and and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   where they are i don't know i still love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/926">TS</a>]

00:15:27   it I brought it up the other week on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/927">TS</a>]

00:15:28   this show and then there must be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   awful lot of people who listen to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   show who don't listen to ATP because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   highest you might expect the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35   feedback I got was that the observation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38   we got so I got so much email about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   ripping off Syracuse's observation from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   ATP which I did credit him with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   what is a plan to do in your beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   new campus stuff all arrays and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   supposedly has a more open floor plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   where you'll see more of the your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   colleagues desks are they good i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   to put one of these ugly LG monitors on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/956">TS</a>]

00:15:59   every single one of these Johnny I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/959">TS</a>]

00:16:00   designed desks like Johnny I've is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/960">TS</a>]

00:16:03   bottoming like often the woods you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   nailing desks together out of like wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   that comes from one special brand of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   tree that grows in northern Italy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   something and they're gonna put ugly LG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   monitors on all these desks i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/974">TS</a>]

00:16:18   that's that's also a good counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   argument but i think it's it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/980">TS</a>]

00:16:21   likely that you could just say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   there are there solutions just they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24   gonna give most engineers and stuff Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   like I'm actually get it it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   seem like a and again this could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/988">TS</a>]

00:16:32   blown into the water and apple releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   a brand new mac pro I'm a pro whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   it is in in july but i think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   unlikely i think that was gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   we would have a lot more than casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   speculation about it by now the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   that there's nothing in the pipeline to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:46   suggest that's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:47   make me believe it's definitely had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   happening this year if ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   and so I really do think it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   that we all have wishful thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56   goes in a different direction but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:57   reality is it's most likely that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:00   really is out of the display business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   and the protest business and the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   mini business and is really just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   to make the imac and macbook pro they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   only computers going forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   I've heard that I think I figure if I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   talked about this i've heard that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   is a new mac pro in the pipeline but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   that it is it sounds ridiculous but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21   it's effectively like in a slot where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   there's so many other machines whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   their macs are other things that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   are getting testing and like validation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:30   engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   no resources ahead of it there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   it's gonna ship by WTC with sequins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:37   ridiculous but well yeah okay even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:40   they I mean here's the thing most most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:44   people who feel bad about Apple because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47   of the lack of mac pro updates at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:50   they don't necessarily need to ship at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   WTC I think what would what would come a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   lot of fears my own included would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   be like an acknowledgement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   confirmation that something else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   coming like just confirmation even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   you want to like one of their like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   of BSE replies to the press like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   know keep an eye out of this based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   whatever else like something and Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:10   Cook's like little Q&A response to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   internal Baltimore think of few months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   back that wasn't enough that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   actually in fact making things worse i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   think my kind of implying that the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   was going to be going to get going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:20   forward I that's all we really want here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   but again i I just I it's what i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:27   be true i want there to be a new mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   of some sort and if it's if it's shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:33   like an imac and it has a built-in 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   screen and it just has a xeon processor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   in it with like a thicker back for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   bigger heatsink that's fine i'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   that actually sounds kind of nice to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   it wouldn't be as ideal standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   because then i have the same problem i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45   have now and get some attention after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47   send the whole thing in but I take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   it's better than nothing that'd be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   yeah it leads to a nice matter leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:53   with the weird situation that's again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   better than nothing if they made an imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:56   pro and put is somehow put his Dion in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   there and solve the heat problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:01   would you know I say that technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   possible the big guy i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:07   it's possible although I talking to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   tipster about this a little bit in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   chat few weeks ago he pointed out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:13   the logic board in the imac faces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   wrong way to really make that happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:18   like I think the cpu faces towards you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:20   when you're sitting at it and 222 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   drastically improve the heat capacity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25   be able to cool like a high-powered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   on-chip to make it more Mac Pro Class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   processing power you need to flip the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:31   whole logic board around we should kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:32   of be like a redesign on level of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   whole new imac generation the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   is like what Apple really do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:39   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:40   you know relatively low volume i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:43   guess they design all case before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:44   like it sure does seem like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   couldn't possibly care less about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   keeping the mac pro updated in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   reasonable fashion and so it really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   is a pretty big question whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   would basically redesign the entire imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   enclosure and a whole new computer just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:02   for this line that they haven't given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   two craps about 43 years it's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:07   mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:07   I think it's probably the imac prose is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:10   possible or that they'll sell it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   pro somehow i don't know but I i hope i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:16   wish for to be true but i just don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   it right but I there's gotta be a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:21   why they don't just stop selling the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   pro's there's some contingent within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   company that's clearly hoping for new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   mac pro's otherwise that it would be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   would be easier it would be easier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   they did look less foolish if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   cancelled the mac pro like it lasts WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   if they just said hey these midterms are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   so great it's you know it's all that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   know the time for the standalone is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   whatever it would even people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44   disagree obviously and there'd be people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   who would be heartbroken in there be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:47   people who are furious but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   Apple wouldn't look foolish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   alright like yeah because they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   looks bad now I get really like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   situation now is is kind of egregiously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:58   it's it's kind of a bear thing it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   to believe it's really kind of hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   believe how old it is it really is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   still my biggest regret is that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   ask Schiller about it on stage last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   and I had the card I had it I had it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   a card and I did not something you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:14   people understand but I it it's so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   to keep that thing going live and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:19   it was my one and only regret from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   whole show that the year before when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   shoulder was on the first time I had way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   more regrets afterwards and I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   my myself criticism really helped and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   did a better job last year but my one my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   right my 1r can't believe it and now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:36   look at this we're already at the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   where WWE has been announced again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   still hasn't been answered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   and like the one reason why i put it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   a lower priority at first and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   towards the end when I was wrapping up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   was like flipping through the cards i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   had left and it just didn't i didn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   that one which I'm you know I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:53   is like a last question but the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   originally had it lower in the stack was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   I thought well they gotta do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   September right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   hey but that like yeah and get them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:05   the record now but it's only for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:06   next you know two to three months so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   anyway I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   oh and it's you know it's hard like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   you're in a situation like what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   doing with the with these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   executive interviews like it's hard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   know we got a little bit a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   this for me when ATP i interviewed liner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   few weeks ago which was grand like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   we had a couple people ask us afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   like on Twitter and email and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   why did you ask him about the map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   oh you can ok that's yeah it's like a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:36   even if he knew about macros stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   can you know you're not going to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:40   that and be the guy who writes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   compiler probably has no clue about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46   the mac pro hardware team is doing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   what might or might not be released in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   the department like it's a big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   like the dancerly anyway your contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   like interviewing chiller onstage like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   it's tough to know whether you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59   bust out a question like that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   slightly antagonizing and really put him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   on the spot it because like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:08   very good chance that you would just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   like a non-answer you know just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   nice PR friendly non-answer kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   you know kind of tempo stubborn you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   we really love desktop great desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:17   coming in the future and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   and that's that's not very helpful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   then you just like shifted the tone of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   the interview in a way that now they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:26   on edge or yeah that's likely to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   you in the future so it's it's a tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   balance and so I don't I don't blame you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:33   front for asking that it wasn't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   I thought it was known you for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   asking if this yeah I this year it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:37   guys did you ask the first question yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   well have a watch on the end of the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   up getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:43   you know I don't know somebody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:46   nothing to do with mac hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:47   something when i get this latter right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:51   like all of a sudden shoulder doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   return my calls you know it's there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:56   I i would have because there's ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   ask and I feel like that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   that I you know maybe why I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   gotten to this position where I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   this is where i can ask the question but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:05   do it in a way that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   confrontational you know I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   framing I would have used his look this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   audience in particular it is largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:15   comprised of people who use xcode which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   is one of the apps where it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:19   extra see every better cpu power can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   really help at times you know and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   yeah and you know we're wearing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:26   transition moving towards from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   objective-c the Swift and Swift I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   think it's fair to say is more taxing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:32   the comp on the cpu and objective-c it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   seems like the Swift compilers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   you can you can write swift code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38   takes a lot longer to compile but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   whatever it certainly is an easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43   compile and there's a just a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:47   sentiment that apples apples priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   for pro hardware in general are lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   than they used to be you know the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56   pro is I don't whatever I want 900 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   old at this time after an incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   splashy debut you know what the heck is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03   I don't think that Woods is like making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   you know something i'm putting on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:06   spot and it's easy can easily say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:10   maybe that's all we would have said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11   hey you know we we love you guys we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   you but you know I could you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   know I can't talk about future stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   didn't say that and then that's the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   of its you know so it's possible but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:23   least I would have asked ya anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   there's always there's always future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   executive podcast interviews live at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   everybody I love the liner interview by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   the way I don't hide it was really an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   especially for a show that almost never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:38   does interviews I mean that you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   have never at that there was one a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:43   time ago or no I guess you guys swapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   you guys swapped with another show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   yeah we had John trade spots with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:48   christina warren right for one episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   which actually turned out really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51   but it wasn't really an interview show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:52   just like she just brings another host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   our show for that episode right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   and I thought that for a show that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   an established rhythm between the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   of you in which really none of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   really interview style and there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   incredible comfort level between your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:06   personalities to have somebody new on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   and do a three-way interview where each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   all three of you asked good questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   that was really impressive because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:16   hard to do because it was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:17   different show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:18   yeah that's like office instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21   driving a car you're here riding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:22   bicycles or something but yeah it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26   lot of fun and Chris was he made it easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   on us like he wasn't like a prima donna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   about anything and you know just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   easy to work with and no super nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   that was a lot of fun that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   it's you know it it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:39   obviously not true from top to bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   but it is generally true that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   tends to attract very nice people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:45   are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46   yeah you know I mean federer is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   example where you know I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   he's like in real personal life but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   know like backstage and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:54   and when you see him at WTC and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   people come up and and you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   random attendees are like hey can I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   a selfie or whatever he stops and talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   for you know five minutes with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   asks what they're doing heat he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   across like talking to a group of five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   you know first time at WWDC at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:13   attendees wearing the WWDC jacket he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   comes across exactly the same demeanor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   that he has on stage so like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   affection that people seem to have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   him it's true that seems to be his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   personality and Latin is exactly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   type of personalities is you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   just a nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   yeah whatever they tell you about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   year WC when i visited apples and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   Facebook's campuses in the same day yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   it's all sort of blurs together i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   remember you doing it but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   remember what the details really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   interesting like so you know you and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   in both cases like what you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   mean and Casey a couple of their friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   we just had like but we had like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   French company that wanted like just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   know give us like quick tour let us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   that was around stopped at an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   I only saw like you know the the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   know center courtyard and the and caffe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   macs because you know you can't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   people into the building's really Becker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   from yeah exactly so I didn't see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:07   didn't see any actual offices but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   was able to see like the courtyard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   hang out and have lunch everybody there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   and and we had lunch with something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   15 people this giant table and so I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   to meet a lot of people there and hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   out for a game at a time and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   pretty coffee and apple even affymax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   gotta say and and you know kind of get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   feel for the vibe of the campus even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   didn't see any offices and then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   couple hours later we went to facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:30   and I'd never been to either of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   campuses before i had been to the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   retail store but I've never gone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   through the doors into the courtyard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40   I'm actually not sure I was allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:41   they have some kind of weird rules about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   bloggers but i think im just under like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:46   I'm I'm not really officially apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   press any capacity i never have been and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   so I think that's why it wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   problem that i was there like I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   friend who tried to go who was apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   press and was not allowed in the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1736">TS</a>]

00:29:00   was interesting but anyway so seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:04   apple and then seeing Facebook could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:07   have been to more different company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:11   culture and environments at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   visibly from these brief as I did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   facebook i just felt horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:20   the whole time I was there like I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:21   kind of creeped out and intimidated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   just how bizarre and kind of intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   high energy but not high positive energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   it seemed to be like just really like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:35   don't know it's hard to explain i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   really did I really got a very bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38   feeling from facebook a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   like how does anybody get any work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   here and where are the adults and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:47   and it just didn't feel good it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   like a dysfunctional workaholic culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   that was hard to get any real work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:52   in an environment that's kind of weirdly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   like we like trapped in youth forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:58   bizarre bizarro college fantasy world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   and then Apple was so like calm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:05   adult and just like nicely like low-key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   the people there were just like nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:11   comedy it kind of felt like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   where the adults work like this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   like where people come to actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   serious work and it was a much it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:21   whatever the environment actually is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   you know again because I've never worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   at these companies and didn't even go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   inside the office at Apple it's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   me to really say this but it just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   like the little tiny windows into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:34   cultures I saw really just seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   Apple was the place where like the nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   mature adults go to work I i could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   that I I don't know if you'd get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:46   definitely seems like people who go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   apple and I mean it's you know company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   cultures attract like-minded people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   know but it does seem to me like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   general like when I've been there people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   know how to turn it off and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:58   that when you're going to lunch and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   going to have lunch with a friend there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:01   their they're just having lunch with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   friend you know right yeah get back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06   to speed when they get back to work or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07   whatever and that's all you want thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   like I I don't hear a lot of stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   about Facebook and Apple stealing talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   from each other and maybe because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15   don't really pay attention but I tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   you one thing seems like both those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18   places i can't imagine that anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:21   works for one would want to work for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   other in either direction like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26   think they're competing for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   people at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:28   yeah I thought I've never really heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:29   that either I mean obviously at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   certain level there's probably some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   maybe it like a sysadmin or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:36   like that but and you know what there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   was that one team at Facebook that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:39   largely poached from apple but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   they're all dispersed right they're gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:42   the mic designer the EAA bought a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:45   of designer for a while and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:46   slowly eroded their sanity until they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   all quit right and they built a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   apple-like beautiful system and custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   tools to support it with facebook paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   the weather was just paper facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   paperwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1918">TS</a>]

00:31:59   what are the names they stole it I fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   well but you know I mean that it's if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:06   fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:06   that's a tough call because the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   app was the other paper at the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09   you drawn was their first but it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   the risk you take when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   yeah regular and a plain words your apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:16   name you know it seemed like for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   they're like Facebook was just gobbling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   up as much design talent is there food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   at about the same time that Google was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   gobbling up as much email town as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   could and it seems like both of those of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   your kind of fizzled and faded over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:29   last year so I haven't heard anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   about them recently i think in broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   terms what happened was that there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   period where Zuckerberg I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   coincides with because you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:41   there's one thing i don't i don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42   facebook I've never signed up for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   so i'm not i get it does feel foreign to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48   me feel like studying a foreign country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   but from my observations it is clear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:54   did I don't think too many questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   that Zuckerberg has a tremendous gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   for changing his mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   people often said that about Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   Tim Cook is often money talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   working with steve jobs like usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   just talks about him on a personal level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   but if you can get i'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:10   working his you know tim cook it tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13   stories about is absolutely amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:14   ability to change his mind and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   you know the Steve Jobs style is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   when he comes in with his mind change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:19   the axis who is this is opinion online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   and I think Bill Gates had some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   too right like what Bill Gates famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   that like Microsoft was building this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   early nineties strategy to sort of do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32   their own custom stuff for connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   computers to each other and then all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   a sudden you know gates writes like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   10-page manifester that we've got to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:39   on this internet thing and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:41   sudden you know I mean how long did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   take for for explorer2 to decimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   netscape didn't take long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   yeah but at the same time to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   active desktop so i don't think i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   never noticed I'm not saying that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:54   seamlessly executed I'm just saying he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   did change his mind you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   yeah it it's you know the and the broad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   strokes facebook was a website it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04   website you went to he did all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05   things and the iphone came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   and an awful lot of products that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   popular websites in 2007 in the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:15   era just were nowhere did weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:19   getting the engagement that things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:20   could be done as a native app got and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   yeah i mean not to go too far off into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   the weeds but one reason is that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   awful lot of web sites were built I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   don't think this is true anymore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   mobile is don't think anybody overlooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   it but that the back end of the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   was inextricably tied to the front end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:38   of the website and instead of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:39   everything go through nice API is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   the front end of the website so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   could make clients for other devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   like a native mac client or and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:51   people say i forgot i only native mac or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   windows client will just go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:54   web browser and for a lot of things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   a lot of years that was fine but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   with the phone that wasn't good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   and facebook had an app that was largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   just front end for HTML and JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:05   and then they seem to get it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   uniform Zuckerberg on down that no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   should do this is with as much negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   stuff as we can we should this app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   this is more important than our website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14   and that's around when he hired all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   those designers and I think there's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   of a I think there was sort of a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   Apple's you know apples the company to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   look at they they value a + design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:26   talent maybe we should too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   and then I think in the intervening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   years the facebook realized that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:32   wasn't really that important to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33   that the native part was ya design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   caliber wasn't or rather I think it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:40   seemed like there was a lot of trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   like they were able to get the talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   but just you know by applying sheer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   force of will and lots of money they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   want to get the town but then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:49   question is what do you have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   great all these incredibly talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   people do at Facebook and that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:56   seemed like they had a hard time having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   a good answer to that question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   maintaining that over time but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   now it's hard to keep good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:03   interested in working for a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   established product you know the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   has this problem to its really like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   you have something that's big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   successful and boring like Facebook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:13   the iphone it's hard to get people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   interested in working on that who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:18   same kind of people who would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   something like that because they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   go make something else now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   I know Mike Maddux a little bit but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   haven't spoken to him much since he left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:28   facebook so I you know and I'm just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   of speculating here but i know from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   couple of people on the team that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   were used to being the a-team at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   company you know like Maddox was what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:38   think I know he designed a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   of stuff in the original iphone but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   I think he literally did like the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   pixels for the slide to unlock you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   like that's you know that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   and if you're like the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   designs both the visuals and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   interaction for a thing doing slide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   unlock is pretty pretty big because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   mean I remember Steve Jobs actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   demoed it like three times he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   that's what I'm going to do it again he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   like lock the phone and did it yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   like that when you designing the feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   that Steve Jobs decides I'm just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   to do this three or four times on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   because it's that I just love it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12   and then to go to at Facebook and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:16   not designing you're not designing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:17   app that's in front of a billion users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   you're designing the app that's in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   of like one-tenth of 1% of the users who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   care more about how things look than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:27   the regular facebook experience and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   just think it's hard to get excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:31   about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:32   yeah I'll take a break let's take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:36   break and thank our first sponsor good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   friends at audible you guys no audible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   articles where you go to get just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:44   anything and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:45   audio related i used to think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   place to go to get audio books and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   true they have more audio books then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   anybody but they have so much more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:57   audiobooks now you go there you sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   for an account and you can get all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   of stuff they have news daily news shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   they have comedy shows all of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   and a lot of this stuff is original to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   audible if you want to listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   audible has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   listen to audiobooks from virtually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   every genre anytime anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   they have a great listen guarantee so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   you get an audio book and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:18   listening to it and it's like putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   you to sleep you could just like get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   back to know you get get like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   different book like that's how confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   they are you just you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   get bored you're just going to fill up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   your every minute where you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   listen to something to not be bored you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   can fill it up with stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34   audible and I've always said i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35   this is one of the greatest advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:39   opportunities ever why do they sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   podcast because they know that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   who's listening to me tell you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:44   audible is somebody who listens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   spoken word content by definition so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:50   you're listening to this and you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   like you've got gaps in your your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:54   life where you need more podcasts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   things like podcast go to audible sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   up go to audible.com / talk show know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:02   that just talk show and no no you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   here and you get a 3 30 day trial 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:07   days we can just listen to whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:08   want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:09   audible.com / talk show i think i wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:14   that script and maybe I was telling i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:23   forget i was talking to did I forgot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   was on air or not but bill simmons i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   I've been listening to him over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   football season I was listening he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:31   doesn't sports thing it doesn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:32   all the ringer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   thank you very popular you probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:37   it's probably pretty high up in overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   i'll be interesting to see if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:40   actually all that high up in overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:41   because maybe overcast excuse towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   non-sports stuff maybe like sports stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   is a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   I don't know maybe in our simulated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   does go into it does pretty well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   overcast it is not as high as text shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   and like they're really popular you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55   npr-style storytelling shows like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   american life though I think it's ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2398">TS</a>]

00:39:59   thompson who were talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:00   forget it was on the show off but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   gist of it is that when on Bill Simmons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   first started doing sponsors reads on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   his show he was awful at it as was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   like when I first split off and started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:12   doing this show on my own just brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   I mean like maybe the show's over who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   maybe they were ok but the the sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   breeds were just brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   you just don't know why it's hard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   hard thing to do you get the hang of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   eventually took you eight maybe a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   months ago you're pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   yeah but it's but Simmons is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   Simmons is actually taking it to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   level he was i think i would venture to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   say he was worse than me at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   beginning and now he's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   anybody i've i've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:36   he's he's like in howard stern territory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   of being able to do it because sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   when i was in the stern anymore almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   seems like Western does one that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   he does the reed he's he's phoning it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   you could tell his phone in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47   whereas Simmons does it and he's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:50   real tight script and it seems like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   trying to literally stick it to 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   seconds get in and out and he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   starts talking faster and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   alleviate it does just like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   eliminate any urge I have to skip it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   I tend not to sting I tend not to skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   ahead on sponsor reads on podcast simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   because I you know I know some people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:14   and if you do you know that that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:15   the features there it's okay to my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   to try to make it as interesting we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   you and I have talked about this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:19   it's my job to try to make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   interesting that you don't want to skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   but when i listen to podcast i tend not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   to skip because i want to listen I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   curious edit at a professional level how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:29   is this person going to keep me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:30   interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:31   yeah I often will listen to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   who are doing research for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:35   sponsors that i have just to keep me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   here like how are you doing this read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:38   and then like maybe maybe something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:41   can learn do better in my reach for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:42   same people from the way you're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   read yeah so what else we got a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:48   talk about we gotta hurry up we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   really good at that is so we got to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   at WWDC moving its the school I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:57   don't know anyone san jose so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   really talked a little bit about that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   I was so completely surprised by this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   I really is this just wasn't even on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   radar but I kind of ever you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   happened it was an initial shock and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   thought oh shit when we gonna do about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:10   my live show you know of course my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   thoughts turned myself immediately but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   everyone else did you ever else is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19   oh how can I fly there is our hotels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   expensive everyone's thinking the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:22   general stuff you know that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   aren't thinking where can i push my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   podcast but it just never occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   that they would do this though like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:31   it s the rough thinking was and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   all had this you know people who go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   regularly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   san Francisco's not great the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   particular I mean our parts of San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   Francisco that are absolutely gorgeous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   but South of Market where moscone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   it's not great I don't hate it some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   people really hated some people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   it is what it is but it is sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   touristy hoteli and maybe towards these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:58   wrong but it'sit's kind of the worst of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   San Francisco stick that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:01   but the area that we see when we go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   everybody see is that is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   image of the city as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   now and then it's not too far from union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   square though in union square is nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   but union square is just high end retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   it's not you know i mean like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   supposed to do go shopping for jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:18   and stuff like that in its it's ok but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:22   it is what it is but the fact is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:25   Apple we know we table what could they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   do different well there's no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   facility with 5,000 people and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   you know we would just say well used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   be in san jose but they moved out of san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   jose for a reason and there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:37   else and they're not going to go further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:38   away because it's already a major stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:41   on Apple to get a thousand engineers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   know from the south bay area to san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   francisco for labs and to just hang out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   and do stuff and still get work done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:51   I for one had just completely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:55   overlooked to the well they could move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   back to San Jose angle for years it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   never really i never even really gave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   serious thought but then once they set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:03   of gary is what we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   I could totally see the logic of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   it seems like a very apple-like move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   I mean really it makes a ton of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   logistically to me not only as a closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:12   to them but like San Francisco is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   dense competitive very expensive city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:19   there's a reason why you don't see a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:22   of tech conferences in manhattan right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   it's because if you put on a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   conference in manhattan the space that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   you hold it in is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:30   extraordinarily expensive all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   logistics getting the food and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:34   getting it love all the equipment that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   all going to be shortened expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   then for the attendees they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   have to pay ridiculous hotel prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42   because they're going to this major city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:45   that is itself a massive tourist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   destination and so it's very unappealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50   to hold a major conference in new york [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   city unless it really needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   specifically in new york city for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:58   yeah so everybody see could be anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   like for the attend as far as far as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   attendees are concerned it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:03   matter where it is you're going to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   talks and labs and stuff and that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   be in any conference center any city in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   America it doesn't have to eat you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   have to be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:13   the extreme premium and dealing with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:16   the all the logistical challenges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   downsides of being in a massive tourist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21   expensive dense City yeah just to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   watch some some talks and go to laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   and either you already have friends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   colleagues who you will also be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:31   and you'll see right and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   matter where you are or even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:34   don't even if you're like a first-timer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   if you're you're new you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   surrounded by like-minded individuals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:39   and it's not hard to make friends or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:43   even even just temporary friends while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   while sitting at a bar or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:46   that you're very you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   they're talking about Xcode and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   sudden you know you're not bored right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   mean like if anything the city's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   wasted on you because if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   you're attending the conference you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   don't really have time to go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   explore much of the city like you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   the most part you're getting your waking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:03   up you're trying to get to the 9am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   session in the morning you're you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   sessions and stuff all day you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   have a little hour for lunch but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   can't go that far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:10   and then you back and then like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   o'clock rolls around you want to like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   to the hotel bar with your friends have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:15   a couple of drinks and like that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   you know we go to dinner and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18   night like you can do that anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   you're not seeing the whole city again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   it doesn't really make sense i mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   like one of my favorite conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   venues I've ever been to is is where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   has been held the last couple years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   Killarney Ireland in this hotel called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   the europe and it's like it's this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   very remote location and the hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   itself you been you know that have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   been there actually I don't think so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:42   don't because you missed the yeah anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   it's awesome contemporary know they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:49   been at the same 1i was at one was at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   remote location but i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:52   they've switched to a different remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   location the I this this is I i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   this is the third one they're about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:58   do next month I'm going i recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   anyway so it's you know it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   this one giant hotel venue kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   middle of nowhere it's beautiful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   like you're all kind of self and close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   they're either either is I mean there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   a nearby city of Killarney but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   don't really because you totally have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16   go there like you're all on premises and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19   you're surrounded by all the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   are there for your event and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:24   there is there is no time to go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:27   other city like that's what you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:28   for you're there you're there to hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   out with those people and see those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   talks and do those events so to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   conference in a massive see that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   paying a big premium to be in doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:38   actually make a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   I love Ireland I remembered with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   last time i was there are and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   a band member and their lead singer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   there this year and there's a lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   singer named patty PA di I've never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   there but it on on the same time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   you were there i don't think so either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   so patty was there and he was the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   singer of this band and he had nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   interesting and I had no connection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   like Apple related stuff but he came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:04   to the pub in you know in the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   without leaving the building is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   like a compound he came up and was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   to have a drink or two and he just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:12   know he's gregarious you know showbiz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   performer but you know but very nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   it quickly struck up conversations with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   all sorts of people and he was having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   good time and and and never laughed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:25   then it like midnight that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   doing last call and everybody's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29   and we're going to do everybody want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   stay up a little bit later and Patty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   went up to the bartender and just hit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:35   off you know wasn't like whisper in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   ear but he just like spend about two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   minutes talking to him and the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39   thing you know the bartenders like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   slapping on the back and the bartender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   says I will stay open 24 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   that's awesome I've never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:47   anything like that in my life like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   the staff of the place i can he got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   know it like called / you know he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   like make it unilaterally called of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   another bartender was just like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:55   you know these guys want to keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   to do you know how about we do two more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58   hours but a good conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:03   why do you think WBC moved from san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06   josé de San Francisco when I did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   think it was 2003 or 2000 for me i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:11   i was before my time III think some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   the other things I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   I think Jason had had was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   an upgrade about how like you know back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   then Apple really wanted to be like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   more the media spotlight with this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   that you know it's more prestigious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   go there it's like you know really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:28   like yeah we're big were awesome kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   attracts more media attention being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31   there but now the attention comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   them they don't they don't need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   that as much yeah I think that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   it was Steve Jobs i think steve jobs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:39   know Apple was firing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40   on all cylinders the ipod was slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:44   turning into a massive hit the retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   stores were slowly turning into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   success story they were it was that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:54   know the lat famously I know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   think Jason and and mikey went over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   that and the last one at San Jose was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   the one where they had a funeral for mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   OS 9 which was actually kind of force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:07   like the reason they had its kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   think that's kind of you think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:10   weird thing to do is have a funeral on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   stage for your product but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   actually because it wasn't dead it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16   because so many people were still using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   mac OS 9 but it was at the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   they felt like they were in the clear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   was three or four years into the guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   at least three years into the mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:27   the hero but they were at the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   where I think they could see the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30   at the end of the tunnel that yes what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   we're going to make this transition all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   max will be running Mac os10 you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   this isn't going to sink us the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   two years of mac OS 10 was kind of iffy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   really in terms of how big the uptake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   was so I think that after that one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   know the mac was clearly had a bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   future the ipod was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   retail is great i think steve jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   wanted a bigger spotlight and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:55   doing it already having like a hopeful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   funeral like we really hope this is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   guys please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   mature mature begging you please make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   this dead i remember that and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   before my time attending WWE sees but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   still had 22 max at my desk i had a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:11   i have added power mac 9600 that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:15   still running mac OS 9 as my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   machine and then I had a an ibook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:20   running OS 10 I'll see now I have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   with the keyboard i can use and one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:24   well so is what I think I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   moved to San Francisco for the publicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   I think that's exactly right that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   wanted more attention they felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   they need you know they could use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   they had stuff to say that stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   deserve more attention and now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:38   don't and I don't think San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   was ever a good fit for Apple culturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   they're not a san francisco city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:46   yeah they're they're really they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   very different vibe about them than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:51   I mean again I've never ever worked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   apple and I live in San Francisco so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   it's hard for me to say this but just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   my my kind of bird's eye view of it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   seem like they didn't really fit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   there like there's no you in the travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   aside like because they're there when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   they moved to the new apple can open a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   new Apple their agency move because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:08   that's exactly my point but when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   opened a new apple campus to they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13   leaving the apple campus the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16   infinite loop campus they need what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   need all the space they can get and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   mean there might be some empty offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   for a while but that you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   going to be back and forth between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   original apple campus and apple campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   to on a daily basis so having them both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   in cupertino is a big deal you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   they have new office space in san jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:33   they have space a few other places in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   the south bay area but the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   getting between anywhere in the south [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   bay is easier than getting from anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   in the south bay to San Francisco is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:43   big deal like there's no universe where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   Apple Campus to is a skyscraper with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:50   same square footage in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51   it's not absolutely and and travel aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:55   even if part of it was like a tunnel dug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   by elon musk that could get you between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   them in 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   even if you get between them in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   minutes there's just no way they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   do it it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   San Francisco is not an apple town in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:09   way that san jose i think is I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   forward to it because it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   really is like going to a whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   conference now and you know WC i've i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:18   gone now for something like seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   something like that and I've enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:23   but i'm looking forward to something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   something fresh and you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   kind of more exciting now because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   it's going to be something a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   different i forget if I went 2006 so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:34   either want ten years in a row or nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   years in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:36   yeah it's one of my favorite things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   about covering apple is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   very predictable so if you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42   approach them and analyze them in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   logical standpoint you can have success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46   but they're also resistant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   complacency right so they're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   to like ping-pong around and move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   wcd random cities every year but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:57   they're not going to keep it in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   Francisco just because that's where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   been for ten years which will get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:04   will get to when we talk about a iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   and ipad for form factors in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   thing too is we you've heard and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   heard everybody's gone in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   has heard that from the long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   attendees who remember the San Jose or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   there's a reputation that downtown San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:18   Jose was kind of sleepy that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   restaurants and bars close early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   there's the quote-unquote nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   two things on that is one back then WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:29   didn't even sell out i don't i forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   when the first sellout was but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33   think it was in san jose and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:38   thing is that talking to a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   WWE are downtown San Jose has improved a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:44   lot in the last 10 years that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   been a lot of oh I i just looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:51   first wwc the sellout was 2008 gee I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   wonder what happened 2008 that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   cause the first cell so up until two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   thousand eight even the first few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3298">TS</a>]

00:54:59   at moscone you could like buy a ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   the day before deputy see I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   fact that this is obviously going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   sell out in that they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06   people in San Jose who don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09   tickets you know it's gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   different five and the end a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   people have said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:14   downtown San Jose is really improved a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:15   lot i was just talking to friends like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   friends really hard winter like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   don't really need much like it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   you're when you're there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   conference like you need a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   you eat good hotels that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   hopefully get for a reasonable price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   you need a hat you need a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   restaurants will get food at and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   need you know it's just a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   decent bars and bars motels and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   about it like you don't need tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41   tons of nightlife for a tech conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   for five days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   it's actually better the bars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   generally empty but are willing to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   open late so you can ya take over down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   Rumple I was talking to about it now he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   needs familiar with the area now he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   to hockey games at the San Jose forget I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:59   don't know what the name of it is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:00   over the Sharks play which is only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   mile away from the convention center so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   it's you know by by city standards not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   far walk like that's the thing about san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   jose is that downtown San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   jose is all in one area it's not spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   out and he said like after hockey games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   you know 1030-11 there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:17   stuff to do bars to get beers and places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   to eat late and stuff like that so I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   looking forward to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   yeah you're gonna go no matter what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:28   going yeah I actually it last year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:31   told myself you know what I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:33   to get tickets anymore like I'm because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:34   i'm going to like fewer sessions I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   like you know it's I feel now that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   wasting a ticket because I i keep trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   to do more and more other things like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   keep getting double booked for time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   slots with meetings and social events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   and podcast event that everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   like you know i just i'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   take it now actually kinda I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   questioning that now it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   different like well maybe I should get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   ticket this yeah I don't know why but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   definitely going out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   yeah i mean i'll go just to cover the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   keynote and then I have nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:04   announce but hopefully to do my live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:05   show again but the could always do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:09   and try to always do it on tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   evenings my question is how long to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   like I don't know if I'm gonna stay all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:15   yeah I I don't know it's a bit because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:19   the thing is we don't know it is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:20   new conference effectively so we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   know if you know if you if you say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   you plan to like you know going sunday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:26   and leave wednesday or so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   are you gonna regret that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:30   stay until the cool things that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:32   going to happen on thursday night like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   you you don't know and that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   kind of thinking like I just do my usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:37   like you know sunday through friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:40   afternoon things that you know it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   the worst that can happen to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44   couple bonus days in California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   oh no no that's there are worse things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   in the world the Hat Yai don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:52   I'm gonna do it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:53   what a surprise us that came out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   what the day after ATP last week's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   guys didn't get you haven't talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3478">TS</a>]

00:57:59   I think the gist of it and i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   think everybody started wrapping their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   heads around it is i think Apple Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   can spend the money on surrounding stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   around the Convention Center and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   number of people that will be there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12   attendance is not going up but it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   if it's just 5,000 plus a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:15   thousand of people who you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:19   or out of a couple thousand combat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   4,000 people come just to be there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   simultaneous with it and then cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:26   other factor is combined with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   south bay companies whose employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:29   might come after work when they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:32   if it was all the way up in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33   Francisco i think it's i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   going to feel like apples taken over san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:38   yeah my main concern is if I don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:43   conference ticket will I not be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:46   get into major events that i will then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   want to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   ya know like that that's that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   like my one my one concern of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   know it should i go anyway or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:56   because I in San Francisco there was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   much to do everywhere that whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:01   had a WTC badge but didn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   for anything except for the beer bash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:07   that was the only thing where were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:08   really mattered whether you have it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   not but all the other events that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:11   happened around the around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:12   conference were for anybody and I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15   that's gonna keep being the case but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   don't know yet and I think it'll be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:18   same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   I do i do think here's my theory might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:22   one of my theories is that they'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   the bash on campus at apple campus too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   because i think that would be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   but I don't think it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   I maybe by junior will be on and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   certainly cutting it close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   yeah I don't know or maybe they'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:35   it back at infinite loop I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   that's what they used to do is it big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   enough because the care of their big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   enough to hold today's everybody see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   crowd I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:44   yeah i don't know i mean the new the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   courtyard certainly is like your buena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   felt crowded and that that's a big yard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:52   yeah but if you speak you know it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:53   crowded by the stage but yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:57   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   no it was empty by the stage setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   no it was empty by the stage setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   I guess you're right it was very crowded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   as for the further back you got from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   stage the craft more crack about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:07   because none of the dirt none of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:08   Nerds the conference ever wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:09   near the band I want to talk to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:10   other you can hear I can't hear let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:13   to the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:13   it's the worst gig for a band of ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   play some of them that success its iight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:19   so bad for them every year just take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   godlike he thought your plane to a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   of nerds backs you were like plugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   their ears with their don't want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:27   oh it's terrible alright let's just uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   that's shift gears to there's supposedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:33   a march apple event and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   do iPads new ipads possibly a a 128 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:43   gigabyte upgrade to the iphone SE and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   what else a new red color for the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   SE or maybe a new red color for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:52   iphones I think the rumor was a new red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   color for the main iphone 7 lino maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   which is kind of odd to do halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:59   through a cycle but I mean who knows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   know it again like this is the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:02   thing where like if we look back and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   well Apple never does that you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   have the iphone makes a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   apples and evolving company that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   can do whatever they want and they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   you know if they think there's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:13   reason to do something like those they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:14   would do it so i think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   interesting things is that just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   everything we know about or have heard I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21   should say we know but every just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:22   all the rumors we have about upcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:23   apple products all come from ming-chi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   kuo the analyst at KGI securities but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:30   you certainly seems like he has the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   info the earliest right like gurman has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:36   had some stories at Bloomberg but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   hasn't really been a lot like an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:40   TV thing recently but it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   just for k coming to apple TV in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:45   of like iPads and iPhones he hasn't had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   a lot recently it seems like it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:48   coming from being chi kuo also it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:52   like German sources or maybe more in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   mac area maybe because he seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   more mac info and makes you quote seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:59   to have more iOS supply chain info [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:02   it's all supply chain info I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   she quite as any to any sources at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   cupertino I really don't and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   what he gets wrong is from not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   those sources but that he has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   seemingly like drinking buddy status was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:15   some foxconn executive it's but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:20   interesting because it just yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:23   i'm looking at the date Mack kodikara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   the Japanese rumor site who has a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   good track record to ya didn't I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:31   i'll put a link in the show notes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   one but i'll put the macrumors version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:34   because it's an English what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:37   saying is a much like KGI ming-chi kuo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:43   the new 9.7 and 12.9 inch iPad pros so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:48   take the ipad pros we already have new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   ones a bizarre to me rumor of a 10.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:55   inch iPad which basically has the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:59   footprint as the 9.7 inch as we know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   but with an edge-to-edge display so get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04   rid of the bezels at the top and bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:05   so it has a 10.5 inch diagonal display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   because it gets rid of the bezels now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   the reason i call that bizarre getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   rid of bezel sounds like something Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:14   would do but the reason that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:15   bizarre to me is that all these rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   say that it's going to come alongside a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   new 9.7 inch iPad pro like to me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:23   would make the it what both makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:26   and fits the historical pattern is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:30   they're going to do that introduced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   as the new high-end model at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   footprint and put the ipad the 9.7 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   iPad pro at a- hundred-dollar minus two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:41   hundred dollar price point lower down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:42   the chain but there's an awful lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:46   all these rumors say that are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:47   do both and now Mac a car yesterday says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:51   there's also going to be a 7.9 inch iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:56   pro so in other words an ipad pro mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   yeah what should be the first place too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:01   many in quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   yeah but i think that they've done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04   before I've i think if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   updates to the money that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   skipped years before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   yeah i mean so you know lets you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   easy things first the 7.9 inch iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   many that makes a lot of sense and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   not because last year specs right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:18   what I would think is gonna have its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:20   probably probably has the specs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:21   current 9.7 pro which is now a year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:24   so that makes sense right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:25   you know it apple doesn't need to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   you know save the pro name only for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   higher-end products because pro means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:31   they can sell a hundred our pencil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   artificial our keyboard yeah with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   things so they they love spreading pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   over the whole line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:38   I wonder what it and I mean a keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   that would fit i have an ipad mini in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:42   front of me right now that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   cramped keyboard I i use like a logitech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:47   one once a long time ago and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:48   was nearly impossible to use it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   tough like the 9.7 size allows for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:54   just barely usable keyboard case on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   but the point is that stuff they mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3896">TS</a>]

01:05:00   they do exist and I guess somebody buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:01   them but that's that's certainly not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   good keyboard but anyway so that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   sense so between 9.7 10.5 you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:11   there's there are these kind of similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:14   rumors that will probably get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:15   although with the whole iphone 7 7's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   eighth-inning also simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:21   released in the fall and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:22   basically being like the iphone quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:25   eight would be this similar bezel list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:28   you know larger screen smaller case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   higher-priced model so that's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:34   know if they're gonna do that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35   iphone line whatever their reasons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   for doing it there they had maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:38   you know they finally got their edge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:40   edge design and technology lineup they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   can finally do this whatever excited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   do this but it costs more to do it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:45   various reasons or whatever else or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:48   just wanted you know they want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:49   premium product as they want to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   you know if if people are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   treating their phones and their iPads as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   computers both in what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   with them and in their replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   cycles then Apple probably wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   boost those prices up a little bit well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   you're only going to buy a new phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:06   every three years ago I had every five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:08   and you're treated like used to treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   your 2000 our laptop well if we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   you paid a lot of hundred bucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   that's that's better for us and we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   give you higher and specs and higher and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   you know more storage and fancier screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21   technology and also stuff so it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   lot of sense why they would have higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   price ones at all and it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:28   possible with modern apple that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:31   would also keep making lower end ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33   that you know rather because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   apple releases new things like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   knew I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:39   iOS devices new form factors one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:42   ways that they can release these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   they have in the past is you release the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:47   new thing at the old price point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:48   push everything down a hundred bucks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   other way you do it is you leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   everything at the same price point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:53   you bring the new one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   that's a hundred bucks more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:56   homeless because the new ones higher-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:58   so that's what I see them probably doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:00   that's probably what the 10.5 inch iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   and the quote iphone 8 with this weird a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   display both of those are probably that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   ladder kind of product where they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09   probably coming to an existing lineup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:10   that itself doesn't really change or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   changes only a minor ways and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   command a higher price points with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15   premium stuff now so i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   it's almost like you have to because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   pattern is the same that there's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:20   to be new models in the old form factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:24   and this amazing edge-to-edge you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:28   blow away design without the bezels it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:31   the same story for the ipad in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   iphone so we might as well talk just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:33   forestall the blow away thing as a verb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   i might have allergies or it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:39   adjective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:40   it was an agitated to do I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:44   big-league that's a big league design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:48   that was bigley know your type know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:52   everybody says that they were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   about Trump here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:55   Trump uses big league as an adjective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   and he's it doesn't make any sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   say typically it wouldn't eat has big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   leak and but having comes out I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:04   think not making sense is necessarily a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   pourrait yea big league big lead do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   for ya but big league is what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   saying trust me today to get your gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   have these blowing designs forced all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14   right you've got you can even see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   when the White House transcribes remarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   it's it's big-league it's gonna be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:19   league design ensures auto correcting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:22   for the update I you know I mean what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:28   bet on it now but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:34   it's the same story but to me it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   more sense with the iphone than the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   and so the story with the iphone is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   there would be what a presumably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   called or at least described i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   again we can't marketing names of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   hardest thing to know for sure because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:48   they're the tightest held secrets but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   sounds like they're going to do the 7s & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:53   7 S Plus exactly like you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:56   where it's the same form factor close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4136">TS</a>]

01:09:01   enough like down to like the tenth of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   millimeter where you can probably use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   the same case with magic would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:08   presumably like an better camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   maybe like a next-generation a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   cpu you know everything you want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:17   exactly what you think in the 707s would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   be and then also this new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:24   I don't know I i if this is anything if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:26   there's any truth to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   I don't think there's any chance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   they call this new iphone the iphone 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:30   there's just no way I think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   would call it the iphone pro because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   think that's the only way that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   have a reasonable amount of excitement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39   for the new 7 s and 70 s plus and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:45   this new phone like it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:46   sense to me to have an iphone 8 and 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   7's in the same year like why not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:52   because who wouldn't just by the eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   but well it's gonna be expensive right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:57   it's the part of making are all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:58   rumors that seems like a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   dollars which like if you actually look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:01   at like the the full price of iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   that is not that ridiculous it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   hundred fifty bucks more than just then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   a similar respect plus model would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:08   right life in a suit if you assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:11   it probably starts at 128 or 256 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   likely probably does a the 256 no rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:18   came out today that is going to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:19   two models 64 and 256 really so god i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:24   would guess like it might be like toast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   1049 464 and 1149 first 256 at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:31   it's only you but the idea would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:34   these get these this would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   slaughtered in at a new higher price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   point that the 7s & 7 S Plus would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   the existing price points and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   they're actually instead of going lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   they're actually going more upscale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:47   and that was a very apple-like thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   do yeah it makes sense on a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   levels i mean you know the cynical take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   is of course they're gonna make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54   more money because the ASP is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   go up on their most profitable products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   and I like that's like that's a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4258">TS</a>]

01:10:59   for them financially for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01   performance on Wall Street center ok but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   also there there's good reasons for also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   like you know one of them is they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   afford to put higher price parts in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   one so you could you could have like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   know something that maybe maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   couldn't afford you know parts price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   wise to put in all the iphones for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   year because that's a lot of phones then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   they can have it in this model for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   people who want to pay another couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:23   hundred bucks and then also it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:26   if the rumors are true that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:27   doing this crazy edge screen thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   I I think it's pretty clearly going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:30   be oled colloids are at this scale like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:34   possibly they're having production yield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   problems with the type and quality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   and whatever they're making and so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   they can't make like 80 million of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   a quarter whatever the number is so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   have to have like a mainstream iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:47   for this coming year that isn't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50   crazy new screen but they also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   have this creation screen in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   quantity they could make for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   are going to pay for it and it lets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58   keep like the the kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   innovation crown going it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:03   because it's it's okay it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:04   wonderful like showpiece at the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   the line even if like sixty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   buyers aren't buying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   no I i think though if they do this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:14   has to be in sufficient quantity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:17   they can meet demand as well as they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   met it in recent years with whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:22   new top-of-the-line is because I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   ton of people are going to want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:25   this crate if this exact rumor comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29   I don't know if it's forty percent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   it's going to be some it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:32   be like just a sliver like there's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   be an awful lot of people who for extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37   hundred or two hundred dollars or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   three hundred dollars are going to say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:40   want the new hotness and yeah if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:43   like if I i could see this really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:46   think it's a risk if they if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   really going to do this and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:49   idea you know if you're if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:50   complaining about apples they don't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   risks anymore here's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53   here's your story because of the risk i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55   see happening is if they make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   announcement and forty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   everybody who wants to buy a new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:03   in September wants this one and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   instantly backordered three months or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   something and nobody can get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   instantly it will be none of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   people are then going to say oh cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:15   my order i'll get the 7s nobody's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   do that there are going to say alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   i'll wait i could so I could what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   could see happening if they can't meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   demand at least as well as they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   in recent years like with this to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   like in the quarter they just reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   if they can't meet demand for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   iphone pro as well as they did for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   seven and seven plus three months ago in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:40   what turned out to be the best selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:41   iphone quarter ever then I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:45   in real trouble because nobody everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47   is waiting for it is not going to settle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:48   on the 7s & 7 S Plus and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   year-over-year it's going to look bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52   because they're going to take a big hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55   it'll even out eventually because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56   eventually it's not just people waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58   for the iphone pro going to switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   android they'll wait till January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   February or march or however long it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:04   takes to get it but it's going to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07   bad at that year-over-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:08   quarter-over-quarter demand so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:13   that the idea i've seen people say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   they'll do this and it's sort of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:16   like a like the 20th anniversary Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:20   know it's like a it's like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:21   thing at the at the fringe for just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   handful of you know people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   willing to spend a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:28   I don't think that's the case at all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   think this would be this might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:31   best selling phone they come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   next year and i happen to know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   anecdotally I see lots of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   Twitter the people who really care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38   we dive gone on this long you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:41   that that the iphone 7 looking so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:43   like an iphone 6 and success that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:47   can't see why people are so obsessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   with the exterior of the phone but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51   true that an awful lot of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53   that they're not even getting into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   know what the camera does how good the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   screen looks how good the touch sensor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4498">TS</a>]

01:14:59   is how good the virtual the new virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   home button is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:02   and all the other things that are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   about it there's an awful lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:05   and you see it and all the tech reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   you certainly see it most of the gadget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   reviews that it's a guy looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:10   old iphone math there's an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12   people who think like that who have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14   waiting for years for you know screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   us i'll hold on to my old phone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:18   another year because I know Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19   going to come out with a new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   eventually yeah i mean it matters it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:24   matters a lot and I think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   again i think a lot of people are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   to want this new thing I mean I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   think we've shown that as customers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   no matter what the new iphone is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   matter how happy we are or aren't with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:38   it it you know in our social media posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   and tech reviews and everything we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   want it and we're all gonna buy it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   we're all gonna pay whatever it costs so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:47   yeah but they're gonna know if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   thing is real it unless it unless it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   some obscene downside which it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   won't and again an extra hundred fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   bucks is probably not enough of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   downside for enough people then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:01   gonna sell this thing like literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:03   just gonna sell as many as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:05   possibly make it really i really wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08   how why people would buy the 7s and 7's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:12   plus I I can totally see why they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   keep selling the seven and seven plus at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   lower prices but I just can't see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   people would my people with sign I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21   its people who have more sense you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   then I do financially and who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   well it is two hundred dollars i'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:28   get the 7s yeah that's a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   think it's not like that like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:34   everybody who who doesn't buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   top-of-the-line model of and any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   year right all right people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:41   you know don't defy the 256 even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:44   they only use 228 of their storage just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   in case i don't even buy the 256 i do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:50   don't like I can't stand the thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52   not having the best one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:53   ok and i often think like and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   talk I say to myself like what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   if you're like out and about and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   breaking news happens and you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:01   shooting video like of this like major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:05   event like I don't want to run out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06   space to shoot video because by cheaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:09   out on my phone by a hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   you have to be shooting a lot of video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   well I don't know I'm just thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:15   occurs to me i think the battery will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   die before you fill it out back and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:20   we'll come back to this i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   take another break here for a sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:22   but we had I'm not done with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   because I want to take this back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:25   iPad because i don't think i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   the iphone story can works for the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:30   but I'm gonna take a break here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   thanks to our next sponsor our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   friends at zero you guys know who ero is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   we talked about it a lot lately I their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   new Wi-Fi base stations the old model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   Wi-Fi is that you'd get a router you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:44   hook it up to your cable modem put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   somewhere where probably wherever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:47   cable boxes in your house and then hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   that one router would give you a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   Wi-Fi throughout your whole house we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:54   been doing effort like 15 years I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   what that model stinks and the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:59   if you did that you could also maybe get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:00   like an extender or something but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   all of a sudden you're playing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:03   junior sysadmin trying to get this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   work to have like a second device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:08   connects to the first device and somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:09   extends the same network so that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:13   you're just open your device it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:14   like the same network whether you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:17   upstairs or downstairs or whatever hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:20   is a system designed from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   to have multiple devices spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:25   throughout your house and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:26   coordinates all the nerdy stuff to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:29   that happen seamlessly all by itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   you don't even have to separate which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35   device is the main one in which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   the satellites they're all they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:38   actually the same little apple TV style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   size hockey puck type things really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:45   design you can put them anywhere in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47   house i can't if you have a Wi-Fi router [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49   anywhere in your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   the hero is almost certainly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   looking in smaller device they recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:55   34 most houses you can just go to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   web site at a-put like how many floors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:59   your house in how many square feet now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:01   give you a recommendation on that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:02   buy for and you really only need three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   you can send one back you can figure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:07   whole thing through a nice really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:09   app like you don't have to go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   some weird website on the router at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:14   192 that 168 whatever none of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:18   it's a really nice app you don't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   and you don't have to worry that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:21   not playing sysadmin you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   you know setting up the way you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25   to be you want to have a guest network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   you'd say give me a guest network then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:28   your network as a guest network that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:30   it you're done really really great I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   got one here i've set it up i replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   an apple base station set up in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   house with 0 and the speeds are way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:40   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41   they even tell you in the app what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43   speeds are so you can check and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:44   even it'll even tell you what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   speeds are getting from your cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:47   company or files or whatever you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   they even have great customer support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   it's something that the company's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   invested in you can call when you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   hold of a real Wi-Fi expert within 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56   seconds just in case you need it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:59   look this stuff stuff so maybe something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:01   30 seconds you're talking to an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   where do you go to find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:05   ez-go 20 calm / the talkshow go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:10   talk show is that code and you'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:14   something nice I think you get expedited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:17   shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:18   yeah that's pretty sure that's it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:19   we expedited shipping and hero.com so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:22   use that code the talk show what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:24   talking with your code party ATP I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26   so you can use ATP to and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   Marco will get credit for it either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   is fine with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:32   good company around so anyway I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:38   think that this middle ipad that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:41   have a bezel I don't think that it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   the same cachet that that this rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   iphone does like would i pay an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:49   two hundred dollars to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:50   cool-looking iphone yes what I pay an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:53   extra two hundred dollars to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:54   cool-looking ipad no I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   well I think it's you know the the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4857">TS</a>]

01:21:01   approach that Apple has taken in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   years has been pretty much scatter shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:06   just like we have this product category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   it's not performing as well as you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:12   to or needed to so let's try a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:15   stuff and and that has resulted in a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   of you know weird attempts for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   and a lot of things that are really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:20   and you know the whole ipad pro a branch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:24   of the product line that the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26   with making a pencil after you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:29   everyone assumed Apple never would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:30   receive comments made one comment 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32   years ago like you know it there they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:35   been David just try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:36   a bunch of stuff and the fact is it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:40   what most people need out of their iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:44   to to like you know get more work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46   or more of their work done is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   tricky difficult long-term software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51   stuff that's much harder to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   it's much easier to just let's try some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:56   new screen sizes and some new hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:57   abilities like that's actually easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   do then like let's figure out file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   management iOS or Windows or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:04   like those are way harder and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   know and never lets fix the appstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:09   pricing ecosystem like that it's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   harder than apple who is already an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   excellent hardware company making one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   more screen size or making you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   more hardware configuration ipad has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   never been to my mind and who and aww [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:22   industrial design product except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:27   maybe the first one the first one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:30   like because it was just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:31   quote-unquote they're making a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   nobody knows it's gonna be thick is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   about how big is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:36   nobody knew you know what it was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:40   to be like and then we saw it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42   like wow this is really nice and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   wow this is really kind of cool to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45   something with the touch latency of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47   iphone on a big screen it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:51   was impressive but then every iteration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:52   since then has been very iterative to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:55   mind like there's never been one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:57   generation where you're like whoa it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4977">TS</a>]

01:23:00   with the possible exception of the move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   from non-retina retina but even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:05   it's not really the the way it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   well without turning it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:11   you know like but the rumors about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   iphone pro or iphone 8 or everyone call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:16   it or that it's going to look like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   what is that before you even turn it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   it doesn't seem you know that was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:23   really the case with with iPads I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:26   that current iPads looking off a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   like the original 1i mean the backs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   flat now and the bezel on the side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:33   our but like the top and bottom bezel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   almost exactly the same i think what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:39   it you know it's a combination of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   like trying to figure like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:42   else can we try here to to turn around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:45   the sales curve and 22 let this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   really come into its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   and then also just like the ipad I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:53   don't think it's about flashing I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   think this is actually just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:55   utility the ipad it really struggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:58   between how much screen size you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:01   versus how nice it is to use it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:04   really this incredibly you know polar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   opposite relationship where like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:09   you want to get anything more done on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:12   browsing the web and watching video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   really want more screen space like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:16   you try multitasking at all the 9.7 can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:20   do it but it's it's you know it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   tight and it and the people who look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   like people we know like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:26   community who are big Pro ipad users who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:29   do get a lot of their work on ipads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   almost always prefer the 12.9 now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:34   getting like quote work done because has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   more screen space but you know anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:39   who's ever used to use 12.9 and can can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   tell you like it's pretty big too like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44   for an ipad like for a laptop it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   nice and small but for an ipad the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:49   you use and hold an ipad it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:53   quite large and so it adding that screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:57   space to get the 12.9 it and its ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:00   to have multitasking be better and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:03   get more work done more effectively has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   come at a great cost of this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   unwieldy size for hand-holding and ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:10   use that's why I think a lot of typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:13   on users use like you know keyboards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   stuff for its kind of more like a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:16   properly on the table more of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:18   because if you actually like using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:20   like one-handed like you know one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:21   to hold it in the other hand to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:22   touch it or use the pencil like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:25   pretty big ipad to do that with its kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:26   of awkward it's kind of unwieldy so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   this 10-point whatever I think is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:32   attempt to cram that screen resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   into the smaller body which for ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:38   power users and I guess we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:42   any of those there are but for ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   power users that sounds incredible that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   sounds like exactly what so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:47   would want in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:50   I want an ipad that is that is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   small enough to feel and handle like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:56   iPad and that means 9.7 roughly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   physical dimensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   yeah but that would have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   green space so i could better multitask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04   and get more of my work done on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06   device or get my work done more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:07   efficiently on this device and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:08   speculation i think is that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:10   pixel resolution is set up being it 266 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:14   pixels-per-inch it's going to be 3 26 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17   which is the pixel resolution of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   retina mini and the iphone and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22   iphone that seems really small to me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:26   a device that you would hold at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   further away distance but maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   just my aging vision speaking I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:33   it's just it's just like the ipad mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:34   you know it's like it like if the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:35   you know that many just has like a 9.7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   resolution shrunk down it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   that same relationship so if the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   mini looks acceptable to you and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:43   use it without eyestrain then this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:45   probably work for you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:46   it's just I'm so it's yeah it just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48   like a confusing decision though which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   one you would buy doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   you know like just probably gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   more expensive than the equivalent 9.7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   but it's probably like a hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:58   more at least so you know it's and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:00   like slightly cheaper than the 12.9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:02   version of it you know so who knows i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04   mean it it will see what they do and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:07   think at this point it's very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   Apple strategy with the ipad against kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   scattershot it's like let's just try a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   bunch of stuff and see what works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15   just give people tons and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   options you know the date will now sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   you an ipad at pretty much every hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:22   dollar price point from 250 on up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   like 1,100 and it's like that any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:28   these price points pick your price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:29   whatever you're going to pay for an ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:30   we got one to sell you at exactly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   price point but a little bit more after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   accessories like the end and I think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:37   for what they're trying to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39   ipad like I think it's very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:41   again I I think they're they maybe don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44   really know what will work and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:47   won't to boost sales or to carry this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:50   platform forward so they are just trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   a bunch of random stuff at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:53   and I'm sure I'm sure there's more that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:55   goes into it than that but it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:57   seems like they're taking a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   hardware risks here in order to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   cover more of the market in hopes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   people will want what they're now making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06   without having to really dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   change iOS to be more pc like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   just seems really it just seems really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:12   curious to me that it would that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:14   new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:14   bezel design would a debut alongside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:17   ipad pro want to you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   I'm glad I mean myself would understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:23   Eve but i think this is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:24   hallmark of team hooks Apple is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:26   know just it isn't it is not not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:29   aversion to throwing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:32   different options out there I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:34   think that's Tim Cook I really don't I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:36   don't know I I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:39   thinking I think there's something we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:40   missing if this is true i just don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:42   it I don't know I do think have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:46   played around with the math there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48   mac rumors had a report from each equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:51   on this new the iphone as i'm calling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:53   the iphone pro as others are saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   iphone 8 which supposedly has a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:58   point eight inch oled display but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:01   the whole device and only 5.15 inches of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:05   it are really the sort of I've what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08   think of as the iphone display now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:09   the rest is like the chin and presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:12   they'll be new features in the OS that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:14   can light stuff up down there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16   ah but basically if you do the math and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:22   he's exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   it's a device that's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:26   aspect ratio than the iphone as we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:28   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:29   yeah it's too tall and skinny yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:31   basically a device that are the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:35   is as narrow as an iPhone se because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:38   it's an edge-to-edge display and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   actually put like an iPhone se or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:42   iphone 5 on top of a 4.7 inch iphone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:47   turn the screen on and then put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:48   like an iphone SE on top of it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:51   pretty much exactly the same with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:54   honest now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:55   yeah i got this in here so it's a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   yeah it's device that's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   narrower in hand than an iphone 7 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   know that a 4.7 inch it's more like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:05   SE in hand but it's as tall as an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:09   7 in other words it's just almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11   exactly the height and it's a device of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:13   the iphone with a 4.7 inch screen so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:17   a piece of hardware in your hand not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18   even turning it on it would be smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   than an iphone 7 about the same height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   and a little narrower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:24   but that the aspect ratio that kg is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:30   saying it instead of being 16 29 it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   more like to point just like 2.15 21 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:36   it's more like a widescreen movie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:39   know like a yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:40   anamorphic movie it's a lot wider it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:43   not just a little bit wider than 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:45   tonight it's it's a lot wider yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:49   mean that that's why i think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:50   most likely explanation for this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:54   like there's some other key piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:56   information that we don't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:58   about about how the screen is used how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00   it shaped around the device you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   maybe like there's this like function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:04   area at the bottom where presumably some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:07   kind of like home button area will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   maybe there's one of the top also which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   would slice off that other party aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   ratio and therefore make it look right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:16   who knows but these that this is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:19   into really nitty-gritty specifics that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21   I think we probably don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   information to really gauge you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:27   what's real here and what's not i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29   it's it's so early and there's no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:32   there's no other information back this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:33   up besides KGI stuff which again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:36   KJ stuff has been good about a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   lot of details about stuff especially I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:40   don't think on component type stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42   right right but all this you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:45   this is saying is the panel resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   and there's lots of things that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:51   you know effect that being correct or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:54   not and and that being like how we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   of the screen shape on the phone or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:58   like you know little as lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   flexibility it allows you know not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   different shape things that allows like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   holes to be cut in panels and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   that in the you can do all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:07   crazy stuff with the letter so it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:10   be something weird that we don't that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:11   we can explain this yet with what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:13   know but it could be a much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16   interesting story then then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   oh it's going to be a new shape phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   you know it might just be it might look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   like what we have now in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   proportions and aspect ratios and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:26   have this weird implementation detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:28   about why the screen happens to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30   certain resolution would you want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:32   be that tall do you think like what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:33   it but if it really is just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:36   as wide as a iphone 7 but tall no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:41   taller so like you see more messages in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:44   a list and mail if you're reading an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   article and seal more the article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48   screen at once but it is the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:50   width as the designer of an app that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:56   to lay out a giant square in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   of its Now Playing screen that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00   awesome but as a user of the phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   don't think I need that really i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:03   that's it i think there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:05   advantages to the to the phone display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   being sixteen by nine one of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09   when he turned sideways and shoot video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:10   you have the whole screen that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:12   right right I'm so there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:14   advantage to that a 60-mile allows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:17   to lay out a lot of different shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19   fairly nicely within it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   you know squares for my three mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:23   so-and-so it's i don't i don't think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:27   really want the screen to be taller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29   skinnier but who knows i mean i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31   actually see it and use it well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:32   screen wouldn't be any skinnier and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   the numbers add up so he's saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   that this is his numbers for the pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:38   resolution 2436 hi this is for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:41   display area not the whole panel but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   part that would be used as a display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:45   area by 1125 wyd now 1125 wide is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:49   interesting because an iphone 7 and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:51   dive on 6's and the six the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:55   were 4.7 inches have a 375 point and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5635">TS</a>]

01:34:03   2x in its and pixels it's what is 375 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:06   times two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:07   it's 750 yeah and so if you take 375 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:12   times three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:13   guess what you get 1125 so basically its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:16   name is gonna have 3x it's exactly 3 X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:19   so it would be the exact same point for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:22   point size as the iphone 4.7 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:25   screens that we know except instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:26   being a 2x resolution it would be 3x and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   unlike the plus phones it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   real 3x with no downsample what should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:35   mean that would look great as the plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:36   phones with their like you know render [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:39   3x scale down to 1080p that already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:42   looks really nice like it isn't it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:45   a massive difference over 2x but it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47   difference and like you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   don't look back look nicer and III can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51   explain why i don't think i can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   see like the pixels for making it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56   does look nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:57   so you know to have it be true 3x and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5697">TS</a>]

01:35:00   not even have two down sampling compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:03   to what we have now in the 4.7 inch line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:05   i think would look really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:06   yeah i think that like 10 years ago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:08   or prior the down sampling technique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:12   even if it was technically a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   resolution screen but if you downsampled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16   it might look bad i think it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:18   would have but I think at this point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:19   pixels are so small that downsampling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   actually makes it look better so long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   the actual pictures of smaller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:24   anyway this rumored phone would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   be true 3x resolution which and the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:30   that the numbers really add up makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:31   gives me makes me think that he's onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:34   yeah i think because like if these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:38   these are weird numbers to just make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:40   or two like to misinterpret you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   like so that there is probably something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   here I think again the only question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   comes down to like how are these pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   actually allocated to the various screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:52   elements right and what does the app get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54   what does the system get so many right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:56   exact the other last aspect of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:59   that it seems like nobody knows what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   hell is going on with touch ID seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:03   like some of this stuff is like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:05   touch ID must go away because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:07   display goes all the way to the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08   so there's nowhere to put the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09   sapphire button right or wrong I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:13   so too i don't think i and i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:16   there's a way to integrate it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18   screen just put in the middle you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   and you know clearly the move away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:24   the physical button last year to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   virtual button that has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27   feedback would play right into this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:32   then there's all these rumors also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34   rumors that they're going to use a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:35   fancy new camera to face recognition or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:37   something like that I would be surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:40   if they do that but I would be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:41   surprised if they did it in place of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:43   touch ID because I feel like touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44   it's it seems like it's like a habit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:47   people already have I don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:48   they can't take that away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:51   well I mean they again they could they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   could try whatever they want especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:54   with all this weird high-end one that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:56   already kind of like selecting for fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:58   buyers but but I I'm i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:01   unlikely i'm with you on that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:02   again we'll see what happens i mean we I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:04   think we all thought the headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:05   was unlikely to but no i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:07   okay yeah that's right he didn't I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:10   wait for him to get rid of my headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12   jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   anyway that's the but I don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:17   energy for that 280 yeah I had the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:21   whole face recognition thing I i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:25   sure they wouldn't do it if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:26   couldn't do it really well right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   the same time fingerprint where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:29   first fingerprint sensor was was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   darn good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:32   yeah and like when you compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:33   previous fingerprint sensors at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36   they were all really awkward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38   garbagey and Apple came out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:39   really good one and now they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   pretty you know they're all apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:43   yeah I you know people saying now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   they're like face recognition on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47   samsung whatever whatever it was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:49   crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:50   I think again like I don't see Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:53   doing this unless they could do really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:55   well so I wouldn't worry too much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   what these things have been like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:59   past other people but I still despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:02   saying that I still think it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:03   unlikely that this is what they have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:06   mind just because it it doesn't sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   like it would be better it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09   it would be worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:10   yeah i guess the other thing too is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:13   when i first heard these rumors a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15   months ago I was really really skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   because it again same thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   ipad for it so on a typical for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:22   introduce two generations of new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:25   at the same time write like that if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:28   do this the 7s and sevens plus are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:30   totally going to get lost because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:31   are they're debuting his mid-range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   phones and that just hasn't happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   before and the other aspect is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:39   Apple has had so much success since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41   iphone 6 by selling to size phones it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:44   really three sighs so if you count the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   SC which is obviously a support price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:48   hit I mean they've admitted yet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   underestimated demand for that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:54   multiple sizes of proven so popular why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   in the world would they come out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:57   brand-new design at only one size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5937">TS</a>]

01:39:00   but when you do all the math and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:03   about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:03   it's actually a pretty good-sized to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:06   a one-size-fits-all because it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:10   know the usable display area is four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   point five point four or five inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   more than the 4.7 inch phone diagonally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:19   8.35 inches less than 5.5 inch phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:24   yes it was right in the middle right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25   the middle and the end errors a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   bit on the bigger side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:28   yeah but physically in hand it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:31   narrower than the 4.7 inch phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:34   is to me the biggest factor of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/5974">TS</a>]

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01:42:20   and all sorts of other technology ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6140">TS</a>]

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01:43:05   fluorescent lights and a mattress store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6185">TS</a>]

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01:43:12   any better hint of whether you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6192">TS</a>]

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01:43:15   he just trusts Casper buy it but next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6195">TS</a>]

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01:44:01   emails from people who bought the dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6241">TS</a>]

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01:44:04   wanted to say i love the mattress my dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6244">TS</a>]

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01:45:13   find anything to complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6313">TS</a>]

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01:46:19   there's a new watch app that's which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   actually does less the old one but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:23   way faster and that's about it like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:28   the bullet point list of what is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   this update is incredibly short unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:32   you want to go through like itemized all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6392">TS</a>]

01:46:34   the UI changes but nobody wants to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:36   that because nobody cares what you care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:37   about is the whole thing like how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:39   the whole thing feels works for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   everything else and there were tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   changes and tons of of time that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:47   into this that most of which is fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:50   subtle or hidden or is the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:53   change that you notice the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:55   day use it and then it just becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:57   normal and you you immediately stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:59   noticing it exits that's how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   happens now and and you know and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:04   like you know the whole the card you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:06   took forever to get work at six so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:11   and and so much work and there and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:14   are still so many weird little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:15   considerations with it like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:18   things i had to issue a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:21   three-point appoint one update because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:24   i moved all of the like secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:26   screens in the app into these cards I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:28   the reusable controller that i can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:31   for anything now to put in one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:33   cards and the problem is that when a run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6453">TS</a>]

01:47:36   iOS standard table view is in one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:39   these cards in certain modes the reorder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:44   controls like the drag handles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:45   you're gonna tables and reordering mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   just don't work like it moves like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:50   know two pixels and stops and it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:52   because it's in this card environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6472">TS</a>]

01:47:54   and a few a few of the implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:56   details of that and so I had to asian or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:59   another day today that just moved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:01   playlist editor out of out of the cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:04   because I otherwise you can reorder the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:06   priority podcast setting it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:08   like and when I was developed there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   so many weird cases like this where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:12   some some part of the you i would fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:17   in a weird way if it was moved to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   card thing and and so I had to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:21   try to figure out why it seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:22   work around it or we implemented in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   different way so it wouldn't fail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:26   that's just that's just what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28   this that car thing is just one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   changes and they were just so like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:34   mean just so many so much time going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:37   into seemingly minor things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   even other things like the full-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:42   drag handles now on the playlist that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:45   not easy to do in uitableview know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:48   know that I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:50   it's not a collection of you it is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:52   a table view and the way I did it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6532">TS</a>]

01:48:54   such an incredible hack and that took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:58   long time to similarly like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00   having like the teapot style where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03   tap on the episode and a little row of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:06   buttons expands out from the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:07   it that you can then select actions from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:09   again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6549">TS</a>]

01:49:10   Oh a seemingly small thing in the UI but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13   that takes a long time to implement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:16   to figure out how you have to abuse the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:18   system frameworks to let them let you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   this like it's all like and you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:23   know from vesper stuff like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:26   times it's these little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:27   implementation details of these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:28   tiny interactions are you I affordances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:32   that they make all the difference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:33   world when you're using the app in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:35   how nice it is to use or how easy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:36   team knows but like one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:39   little-little behaviors are little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:41   animations are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:42   limitations might take you weeks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:45   develop that one little thing its it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:49   my opinion that the modern touch screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:54   you I that was that started with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:58   iphone is trickier and inherently more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6598">TS</a>]

01:50:03   limited interaction model then the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6603">TS</a>]

01:50:09   pointer interface that we've had since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:12   you know the mac and be you know go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6612">TS</a>]

01:50:15   to the Xerox thing that was before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:18   mac in a lot of ways so just and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6618">TS</a>]

01:50:22   that most people don't think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:24   you don't have to that you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6624">TS</a>]

01:50:25   have to if you're not a designer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:26   when you are designer you suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6626">TS</a>]

01:50:27   realize that you're you're limited in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:30   certain way and so for example like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6630">TS</a>]

01:50:32   to say a list of things you have a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:34   of rows and you can drag them to reorder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:37   it just all sorts of apps that do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:39   like this on a Mac you would think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:44   I could just click on the row i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:45   move up and hold the mouse button down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6645">TS</a>]

01:50:47   and drag up and that's exactly how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:49   do it you click on it and drag and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:52   don't have to click and wait you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6652">TS</a>]

01:50:53   you could click and wait and then drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:55   or you can just click and drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6655">TS</a>]

01:50:56   immediately and it just works but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6656">TS</a>]

01:50:59   can't do that on a touchscreen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:01   if you're in a list and you just touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:04   and immediately move down or move up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:05   your scrolling the list because touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:08   on the list and move and moving your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6668">TS</a>]

01:51:10   finger is how you do it so how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:12   take an item and move it up if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:15   just touch on it and move up so it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6675">TS</a>]

01:51:19   can have like a modifier he'll just hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6679">TS</a>]

01:51:20   down command the end the truth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:22   there's no perfect solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:24   there's a perfect solution with a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6684">TS</a>]

01:51:25   pointer which is just allow the user to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:27   click and drag on on touchscreens i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:31   could think that there's three ways I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6691">TS</a>]

01:51:32   can think to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:33   Apple's usual way is to have an edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:36   button in the top-right that you tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6696">TS</a>]

01:51:38   this edit button and then it switches it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6698">TS</a>]

01:51:42   to a mode where there's like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:43   grippy strip over there and you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6703">TS</a>]

01:51:45   that grip nice trip to drag things up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6705">TS</a>]

01:51:47   and down and if you touch on the grippy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6707">TS</a>]

01:51:49   strip and drag it won't scroll the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6709">TS</a>]

01:51:51   it will drag the thing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6711">TS</a>]

01:51:52   the way Vesper did it and a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   apps to do is you tap and hold and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:57   a brief and you know again this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6717">TS</a>]

01:51:59   sort of thing where you sit there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6719">TS</a>]

01:52:00   you play with little fractions of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:02   second to see how long is too short how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:04   long is too long but you know your drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:06   you know you're moving it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:08   visually pops up off the screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:10   can see that it's sort of like raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6730">TS</a>]

01:52:12   and then you're you're moving the item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6732">TS</a>]

01:52:14   up and down i like the solution you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:17   with we just put the grips trips there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:19   all the time and so you can't scroll the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:21   list from over at the edge of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:23   but you know most of it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:26   yeah and most people don't scroll that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6746">TS</a>]

01:52:28   far the edge anyway so it's fine because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:30   you know what I found like I i made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6750">TS</a>]

01:52:32   whole blog post about like and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:35   looking at this this blog post was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6755">TS</a>]

01:52:37   release of overcast through and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:39   the announcement of overcast three but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6759">TS</a>]

01:52:41   titled it design walkthrough because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:43   this really like this release really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:45   effectively a redesign you know not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:48   not like a hundred percent redesign a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6768">TS</a>]

01:52:50   lot of things look kind of similar or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:51   the same but there's a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:54   redesigning than anything else in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6774">TS</a>]

01:52:55   release and and it's because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:58   over the last couple years since I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6778">TS</a>]

01:53:00   one point out like I've gotten literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:03   thousands of emails and tweets from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:06   people with feedback and some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6786">TS</a>]

01:53:08   support questions this badly i've seen i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6788">TS</a>]

01:53:11   basically had a lot of feedback to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:13   me all the ways in which the old design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:14   failed and by that but I mean like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6794">TS</a>]

01:53:17   know people weren't able to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:19   features that they wanted to find they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:21   couldn't understand the way something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:23   worked or something caused errors two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:26   and people due to air honestly invoke it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:28   or things like that and so they were one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:33   of them one of the major themes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:34   learned over the last couple years is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:36   these built-in iOS standards things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:41   tapping edit in the top right corner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:43   then having a tableview switch its mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:45   where you can delete or reorder or batch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6825">TS</a>]

01:53:48   operate on on things in a list or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:51   just swiping a table cell to delete it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6831">TS</a>]

01:53:54   these things that you know we like power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:57   users have known literally since iOS 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6837">TS</a>]

01:54:00   introduced most of them most people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6840">TS</a>]

01:54:03   use iphones these days don't know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:06   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:06   they'll never find that they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:08   you can swipe on the table for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6848">TS</a>]

01:54:09   reveal delete button right they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   they don't they never tap the edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:13   button in the corner and if they if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:14   do they quickly undo it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6854">TS</a>]

01:54:16   don't really understand what it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6856">TS</a>]

01:54:17   care so there's lots of like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:22   assumed knowledge of platform standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6862">TS</a>]

01:54:26   that i went into with this that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:27   a lot of iOS developer still do that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6867">TS</a>]

01:54:30   reality is the customers don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6870">TS</a>]

01:54:33   vocabulary in enough quantity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:35   yeah i think that you can only really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6875">TS</a>]

01:54:37   count on them finding what they can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:40   exactly right and if you can't if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:43   only way to do it is is a way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:45   don't see you have to do something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6885">TS</a>]

01:54:47   see it like slide the row they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6887">TS</a>]

01:54:49   find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6889">TS</a>]

01:54:50   that's why you know if you look at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6890">TS</a>]

01:54:51   app like I think it's super successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6891">TS</a>]

01:54:53   app is an app like apples mail for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6893">TS</a>]

01:54:56   iphone that's why there's a trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6896">TS</a>]

01:54:57   when you're in a message for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6897">TS</a>]

01:55:00   also why why you can swipe on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:02   message in the list of messages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:03   delete it from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6903">TS</a>]

01:55:04   yeah but that trashcan has to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:08   because asked me would be shocked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6908">TS</a>]

01:55:10   find out that you can delete a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6910">TS</a>]

01:55:11   any other way because like even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:14   don't even like the edit button in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:16   corner that is visible but it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6916">TS</a>]

01:55:18   obvious enough like what it does or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:21   you like if you're in a list like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:23   does that even mean to edit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:25   corner of this entire last episode like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:27   what like a lot of people just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:29   think that way they don't they don't try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:31   to to poke everything and CEO what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:33   what is this weird word do that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:36   doesn't seem to specify anything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6936">TS</a>]

01:55:38   particular I hate to spring this on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6938">TS</a>]

01:55:40   but alright i'm in all episodes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:44   there is an edit button up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:45   yeah I don't know their I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:47   understand what it does i had it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:50   then it says done and it just toggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:52   between edit and done but what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6952">TS</a>]

01:55:53   different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:54   do you actually have the latest version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:57   i think so because normal what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6957">TS</a>]

01:55:59   supposed to happen is if you hit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:01   you're supposed to get a little head on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:02   top that says edit play less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:03   one-half and delete playlist on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:05   other half and then all the rows turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:08   into the multi-select toggle dots on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6968">TS</a>]

01:56:09   right maybe I don't have the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6969">TS</a>]

01:56:11   version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:13   I don't know I thought I updated to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:15   abstract version let me see if I make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:18   new playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:19   I mean you might have found a bug but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6979">TS</a>]

01:56:20   might have our not supposed to work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6980">TS</a>]

01:56:23   anyway i agree with you though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6983">TS</a>]

01:56:30   what about the so the other factor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:35   we talked about it and and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:36   things that let you do this and you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6996">TS</a>]

01:56:38   I have had discussions about this over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6998">TS</a>]

01:56:39   the years you know that going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:41   Vesper and and overcast and that ok but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:46   let's just give up the end of the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7006">TS</a>]

01:56:47   model for indeed software developers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7007">TS</a>]

01:56:49   you free apps for you sell a version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7009">TS</a>]

01:56:52   let's say it's thirty dollars and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7012">TS</a>]

01:56:54   you do version to point out and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7014">TS</a>]

01:56:56   still sell it for thirty dollars but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7016">TS</a>]

01:56:58   give your existing users and upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7018">TS</a>]

01:56:59   price maybe they get it for half off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7019">TS</a>]

01:57:01   maybe they get the new version for 1499 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7021">TS</a>]

01:57:03   maybe you sell it the upgrade for just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7023">TS</a>]

01:57:05   999 but then the idea is you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:07   building users and the ones who stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7027">TS</a>]

01:57:10   keep using the app will every year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:13   however often you come out with a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:14   upgrade keep giving you upgrade money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7034">TS</a>]

01:57:18   and that's what funds did continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7038">TS</a>]

01:57:23   development of the app because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7043">TS</a>]

01:57:24   eventually you stop getting it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:27   you you max out on new users and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7047">TS</a>]

01:57:30   need to monetize your existing user base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:32   well there's no upgrades in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:33   store and so new models are called for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:37   if you want to sustain a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7057">TS</a>]

01:57:40   I I think you've come across an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7060">TS</a>]

01:57:43   interesting one because that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7063">TS</a>]

01:57:44   downside to the old model and as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:46   everybody you know I still kind of wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7066">TS</a>]

01:57:49   the appstore supported and allowed users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7069">TS</a>]

01:57:50   the other developers the option of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:52   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:53   the downside to it is that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7073">TS</a>]

01:57:55   seems to agree that the way you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7075">TS</a>]

01:57:58   most cases people would decide whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7078">TS</a>]

01:58:00   to buy the upgrade to the new app or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7080">TS</a>]

01:58:02   based on what are the new features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7082">TS</a>]

01:58:05   so like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:06   overcast three like when you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:08   it's hard to say like here's all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7088">TS</a>]

01:58:09   features it may not sell as a paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7089">TS</a>]

01:58:13   upgrade because we're just what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7093">TS</a>]

01:58:15   just a modernized you know version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7095">TS</a>]

01:58:19   the same UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7099">TS</a>]

01:58:22   to me this is the sort of thing I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7102">TS</a>]

01:58:24   I'm glad to pay for because it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7104">TS</a>]

01:58:27   what i want a nap because like if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:30   you do it the other way like wherewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7110">TS</a>]

01:58:32   you're dependent on that upgrade revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7112">TS</a>]

01:58:33   for new features ever release then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7113">TS</a>]

01:58:36   get microsoft office where you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7116">TS</a>]

01:58:38   there's there's all this pressure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:40   just add more and more and more features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7120">TS</a>]

01:58:42   even if it kind of makes the app worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7122">TS</a>]

01:58:45   to have more features added to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7125">TS</a>]

01:58:47   that's the way that's what the incentive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:48   structure kind of forces you to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7128">TS</a>]

01:58:51   that's why that's one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7131">TS</a>]

01:58:53   you see these major apps like office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7133">TS</a>]

01:58:56   adobe creative suite trying to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7136">TS</a>]

01:58:58   from that model moving towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7138">TS</a>]

01:58:59   descriptions so aggressively over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7139">TS</a>]

01:59:01   last few years and I think they've both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7141">TS</a>]

01:59:02   pretty much completed that move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7142">TS</a>]

01:59:03   yeah we're like you know now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7143">TS</a>]

01:59:06   kind of free to do things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7146">TS</a>]

01:59:09   yeah supposed to like the old model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:11   like having having to try to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7151">TS</a>]

01:59:13   your revenue every single year with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7153">TS</a>]

01:59:15   eight bullet list of features that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7155">TS</a>]

01:59:17   added right it just it eventually even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7157">TS</a>]

01:59:21   the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7161">TS</a>]

01:59:23   however much it was ever in dispute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7163">TS</a>]

01:59:24   within those companies it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7164">TS</a>]

01:59:26   obvious to everybody that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:27   sustainable forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7167">TS</a>]

01:59:28   you can't just keep adding more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:30   consistent and and assume that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7170">TS</a>]

01:59:32   means better when you can for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7172">TS</a>]

01:59:35   like you know if it and it's generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7175">TS</a>]

01:59:37   when things are young so when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7177">TS</a>]

01:59:40   applications are young or like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7180">TS</a>]

01:59:43   in the case of like you know Adobe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7183">TS</a>]

01:59:45   Microsoft a lot of their revenue came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:47   from people like you know os's were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7187">TS</a>]

01:59:51   still young right and as os's would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7191">TS</a>]

01:59:53   change you have to get the new versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:55   of the app students work on the new OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7195">TS</a>]

01:59:56   computers were still young you be buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7196">TS</a>]

01:59:59   like a new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7199">TS</a>]

01:59:59   like a new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7199">TS</a>]

02:00:00   enter every three to five years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:01   whatever it was that would be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7201">TS</a>]

02:00:03   different from your old one and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:05   better that you would buy new software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7205">TS</a>]

02:00:07   to take advantage of it or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:09   like now everything is a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:10   settled down in these in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7210">TS</a>]

02:00:11   industries and it's true mobile as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7211">TS</a>]

02:00:13   like you know the upgrade cycle getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7213">TS</a>]

02:00:14   longer for these things and and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7214">TS</a>]

02:00:17   OS is our kind of settling down and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7217">TS</a>]

02:00:19   maturing and so the end and all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7219">TS</a>]

02:00:22   and if you if you've had any kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7222">TS</a>]

02:00:25   know long-standing problem in hell my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7225">TS</a>]

02:00:27   podcast app is only like two and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7227">TS</a>]

02:00:30   years old and I'm already running out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7230">TS</a>]

02:00:32   features i think i want to add to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:35   like there's that a certain point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7235">TS</a>]

02:00:37   you add pretty much everything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   think it needs and its kind of done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:43   feature wise but that doesn't mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7243">TS</a>]

02:00:45   can't be improved right so what you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7245">TS</a>]

02:00:47   arrived at after like you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7247">TS</a>]

02:00:51   you've you've changed it suddenly with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7251">TS</a>]

02:00:54   each major release but where you are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7254">TS</a>]

02:00:55   is it's a free download so anybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7255">TS</a>]

02:00:59   get it try the overcast for free which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7259">TS</a>]

02:01:02   think is a essential in today's world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7262">TS</a>]

02:01:04   been free since day 1i I'm I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7264">TS</a>]

02:01:06   regret that format right well i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:07   you and i think it did proven right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7267">TS</a>]

02:01:10   because it's it's it's just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7270">TS</a>]

02:01:13   I've said this before but I'd really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7273">TS</a>]

02:01:15   think it's true that when people there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7275">TS</a>]

02:01:17   just too many people who with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7277">TS</a>]

02:01:22   looking for a podcast app or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7282">TS</a>]

02:01:23   looking for a note app or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7283">TS</a>]

02:01:25   app is they'll start looking and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7285">TS</a>]

02:01:28   will start trying freeones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:31   eventually one of the free ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:33   well I guess this is good enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7293">TS</a>]

02:01:35   that I'd never get past that they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7295">TS</a>]

02:01:37   get past it even if your app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7297">TS</a>]

02:01:38   ninety-nine cents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:40   there's just too many people who never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7300">TS</a>]

02:01:41   ever say I'm gonna try I'm gonna I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7301">TS</a>]

02:01:43   gonna cough up a dollar before I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7303">TS</a>]

02:01:45   try it just because the screenshots look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7305">TS</a>]

02:01:47   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7307">TS</a>]

02:01:48   I mean some people will but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7308">TS</a>]

02:01:49   enough and you know there's too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7309">TS</a>]

02:01:51   free ones and there's too many free ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7311">TS</a>]

02:01:53   that really are good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7313">TS</a>]

02:01:54   yeah well anyway there's that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7314">TS</a>]

02:01:56   that saying like you're always fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7316">TS</a>]

02:01:57   the last war like right I I apologize to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7317">TS</a>]

02:02:00   John Syracuse for butchering that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7320">TS</a>]

02:02:03   went out when i was running into paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7323">TS</a>]

02:02:04   it was never free during the time i ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7324">TS</a>]

02:02:07   i was paid upfront the whole time right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7327">TS</a>]

02:02:09   i was really adamant about that had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7329">TS</a>]

02:02:11   had to be paid upfront that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7331">TS</a>]

02:02:12   have to make revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7332">TS</a>]

02:02:13   and that was okay for the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7333">TS</a>]

02:02:16   years of the app store but then every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7336">TS</a>]

02:02:20   competitor i got from that point forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:22   what they were all free right like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7342">TS</a>]

02:02:24   every major competitor was free and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7344">TS</a>]

02:02:27   would and then Apple made reading list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7347">TS</a>]

02:02:29   which was free of course because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7349">TS</a>]

02:02:30   built-in and it's just like I really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7350">TS</a>]

02:02:34   marginalized by to a large degree by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7354">TS</a>]

02:02:39   of my competitors being free and and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7359">TS</a>]

02:02:42   the platform having this thing for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7362">TS</a>]

02:02:43   and by my appt having a big pay wall in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7363">TS</a>]

02:02:46   front of it before anybody could even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7366">TS</a>]

02:02:47   try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7367">TS</a>]

02:02:48   and so that's one of the reasons why and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7368">TS</a>]

02:02:51   I was always afraid that a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7371">TS</a>]

02:02:55   competitor would come out that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7375">TS</a>]

02:02:56   awesome and free because I i didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7376">TS</a>]

02:03:00   that for a long time and and so like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7380">TS</a>]

02:03:04   was like every morning I would wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7384">TS</a>]

02:03:06   afraid to look at the news on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7386">TS</a>]

02:03:08   because what if today was the day of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7388">TS</a>]

02:03:10   business was crushed by a new awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7390">TS</a>]

02:03:12   free competitor and so with overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7392">TS</a>]

02:03:14   longs to free bit in part out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7394">TS</a>]

02:03:17   because I was just like you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7397">TS</a>]

02:03:18   don't want to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7398">TS</a>]

02:03:19   I don't want to leave that gap for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7399">TS</a>]

02:03:20   anybody like I don't want to I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7400">TS</a>]

02:03:22   wanna wake up every morning with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7402">TS</a>]

02:03:23   fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7403">TS</a>]

02:03:23   well you also have the advantage though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7403">TS</a>]

02:03:25   and I i mean it that it's an advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7405">TS</a>]

02:03:28   that Apple already had the podcast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7408">TS</a>]

02:03:30   exactly i was pretty sure locked and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7410">TS</a>]

02:03:33   like I en so it was it and that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7413">TS</a>]

02:03:36   big reason why I was free because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7416">TS</a>]

02:03:38   know AI didn't want to leave you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7418">TS</a>]

02:03:39   what Apple calls a price umbrella have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7419">TS</a>]

02:03:41   44 you know competitors to to beat me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7421">TS</a>]

02:03:44   only on pricing if you want to beat me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7424">TS</a>]

02:03:46   on quality fine i doubt play that game i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7426">TS</a>]

02:03:48   will happily fight on that on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7428">TS</a>]

02:03:51   battlefront but I didn't want price to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7431">TS</a>]

02:03:54   be the only thing people could compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7434">TS</a>]

02:03:56   with me or I'd rather I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7436">TS</a>]

02:03:58   be losing a lot of customers to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7438">TS</a>]

02:04:01   else because of price i think you and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7441">TS</a>]

02:04:02   always was in the paper and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7442">TS</a>]

02:04:04   killed me and so and i was at the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7444">TS</a>]

02:04:07   was not a good enough business person in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7447">TS</a>]

02:04:10   this regard to recognize at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7450">TS</a>]

02:04:12   that I should have gone free and figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7452">TS</a>]

02:04:13   out something else back then but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7453">TS</a>]

02:04:15   meantime I kind of figured that out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:17   that's why i launched because i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7457">TS</a>]

02:04:18   you had an advantage that podcast apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:21   podcast app isn't all it always has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7461">TS</a>]

02:04:23   pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7463">TS</a>]

02:04:24   and it's free and it's there and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7464">TS</a>]

02:04:26   got the itunes store backing it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7466">TS</a>]

02:04:27   fact that it's apple's app does it come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7467">TS</a>]

02:04:30   with the phones or do you have to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7470">TS</a>]

02:04:32   from the app store i forget heights they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7472">TS</a>]

02:04:33   go back and forth like every few really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7473">TS</a>]

02:04:35   systematically I forget what it is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7475">TS</a>]

02:04:37   at the fact that separate the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7477">TS</a>]

02:04:39   it's pretty good and very popular is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:41   much better situation I I feel like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:44   had Vesper we added it was a disservice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7484">TS</a>]

02:04:46   to us that at that time Apple notes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:49   garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7489">TS</a>]

02:04:50   it was right it was a really bad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7490">TS</a>]

02:04:52   with really bad sink the only way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7492">TS</a>]

02:04:54   sink was through imap how is a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:57   god bless him for having made it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7497">TS</a>]

02:04:59   but it just didn't work well and work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7499">TS</a>]

02:05:03   terrible if your email was gmail because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:05   Jim it you get copies of messages over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:07   and over again that was terrible that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7507">TS</a>]

02:05:10   think i'm starting with iOS 9 it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:12   years ago where they haven't read notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7512">TS</a>]

02:05:14   and they build it on cloudkit and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:16   it's super good it's a really great it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7516">TS</a>]

02:05:18   a great note app and its really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7518">TS</a>]

02:05:20   sync the sink is terrific would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7520">TS</a>]

02:05:23   been better if that was already out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:24   because it would have calibrated our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:26   expectations like it wasn't like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7526">TS</a>]

02:05:27   assumed apple will never improve notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7527">TS</a>]

02:05:29   but we didn't know what it would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7529">TS</a>]

02:05:31   know and it yeah exactly so right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7531">TS</a>]

02:05:34   you're what you do you get for free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7534">TS</a>]

02:05:38   for free you show ads and you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7538">TS</a>]

02:05:41   this when did you start September so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7541">TS</a>]

02:05:44   just in September and you are using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7544">TS</a>]

02:05:45   Google's mobile ad services and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:49   want to you want to get rid of the ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7549">TS</a>]

02:05:51   and you want to support the app you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7551">TS</a>]

02:05:52   subscribe for 10 bucks a year and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7552">TS</a>]

02:05:55   broader recurring or no it just reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:57   you in here now it's recurring because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7557">TS</a>]

02:05:59   now we get a raise after year one if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7559">TS</a>]

02:06:01   do occur so right okay yeah right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7561">TS</a>]

02:06:04   anybody who's with you for more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7564">TS</a>]

02:06:05   year if it's recurring you get an 8515 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:07   split exactly right which is a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7567">TS</a>]

02:06:10   yeah that might like there's like thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7570">TS</a>]

02:06:12   percent is a lot and could be having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7572">TS</a>]

02:06:15   that cut from from 3015 after year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7575">TS</a>]

02:06:17   adds up a lot as well it means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:19   anything like you make are getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:21   raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7581">TS</a>]

02:06:21   you get a fifteen percent raise from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7581">TS</a>]

02:06:23   your existing users it's actually kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7583">TS</a>]

02:06:25   of putting the old upgrade model of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7585">TS</a>]

02:06:27   other way around where you would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7587">TS</a>]

02:06:29   less money from your long time users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7589">TS</a>]

02:06:31   because they're only paying the upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7591">TS</a>]

02:06:32   price now you're getting more even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7592">TS</a>]

02:06:33   though they don't pay more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7593">TS</a>]

02:06:34   this guy i have i have a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:36   incentive now to keep people subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7596">TS</a>]

02:06:39   long-term this is one of those areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7599">TS</a>]

02:06:41   with we're really is Apple the at I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7601">TS</a>]

02:06:45   everybody's interests align it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7605">TS</a>]

02:06:47   necessarily that Apple is putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7607">TS</a>]

02:06:49   developers ahead of Apple itself because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7609">TS</a>]

02:06:50   apple still makes money but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7610">TS</a>]

02:06:52   motivation is there there there putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7612">TS</a>]

02:06:54   motivation out there to build apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7614">TS</a>]

02:06:56   services that are worth keeping a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7616">TS</a>]

02:06:59   multi-year subscription to yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7619">TS</a>]

02:07:03   that's in their interests in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7623">TS</a>]

02:07:05   not maximizing their revenue from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7625">TS</a>]

02:07:08   app store at any given transaction or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7628">TS</a>]

02:07:11   any given renewal but in terms of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7631">TS</a>]

02:07:14   the platform more popular and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7634">TS</a>]

02:07:16   you know which leads to people doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7636">TS</a>]

02:07:18   things like buying crazy new 11 hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7638">TS</a>]

02:07:21   dollar iphones and it's great for users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7641">TS</a>]

02:07:25   because the user doesn't pay more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7645">TS</a>]

02:07:26   I pay the same ten bucks on my renewal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7646">TS</a>]

02:07:28   for overcast and you just get more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7648">TS</a>]

02:07:30   money you get eight dollars and fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7650">TS</a>]

02:07:31   cents instead of seven dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7651">TS</a>]

02:07:34   yeah and a long time ago like when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7654">TS</a>]

02:07:35   when i launched the magazine it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7655">TS</a>]

02:07:37   there was a newsstand app a newsstand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7657">TS</a>]

02:07:39   was the first thing to have these auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7659">TS</a>]

02:07:41   renew and subscriptions and this is back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7661">TS</a>]

02:07:43   and I in iOS 5 and 6 and it the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7663">TS</a>]

02:07:47   time ever the big blog post basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:48   saying like other new subscriptions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7668">TS</a>]

02:07:50   terrible and I would never do them again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7670">TS</a>]

02:07:51   and I wouldn't if they were the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7671">TS</a>]

02:07:54   they're a lot better now like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7674">TS</a>]

02:07:56   everything about them now if they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7676">TS</a>]

02:07:57   have a lot of shortcomings but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7677">TS</a>]

02:07:59   everything about them now is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7679">TS</a>]

02:08:01   easier to implement an easier for both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:04   developers and customers to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7684">TS</a>]

02:08:05   than it was in iOS 5 and spoke like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7685">TS</a>]

02:08:08   it's it is again there are still limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7688">TS</a>]

02:08:11   in particular I it's like you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7691">TS</a>]

02:08:14   can't tell if somebody has has told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7694">TS</a>]

02:08:18   their subscription not to renew so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7698">TS</a>]

02:08:20   effectively if they've cancelled and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:21   have you don't know until it expires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7701">TS</a>]

02:08:23   like you you know the date that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7703">TS</a>]

02:08:25   supposed to renew but until that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7705">TS</a>]

02:08:27   comes and it doesn't renew you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7707">TS</a>]

02:08:29   know they've canceled it and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7709">TS</a>]

02:08:31   there's weird things with like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7711">TS</a>]

02:08:33   want to also sell solutions through your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7713">TS</a>]

02:08:37   website maybe and I like offer both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7717">TS</a>]

02:08:39   payment options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7719">TS</a>]

02:08:40   it's really hard to to reconcile these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:42   things because like you don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7722">TS</a>]

02:08:44   the person has canceled on their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7724">TS</a>]

02:08:46   if they are extending sites if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7726">TS</a>]

02:08:48   whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7728">TS</a>]

02:08:48   that's cases but the way I'm doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7728">TS</a>]

02:08:50   now which is very simple and there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7730">TS</a>]

02:08:52   web payment option with along with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7732">TS</a>]

02:08:54   the improvements they've done to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7734">TS</a>]

02:08:56   system since iOS 5 make it much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7736">TS</a>]

02:08:59   sell now and add the Rays to it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7739">TS</a>]

02:09:01   no-brainer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7741">TS</a>]

02:09:02   yeah and it was starting out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7742">TS</a>]

02:09:06   version 3.1 you've you've switched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7746">TS</a>]

02:09:08   heat you've seemed to have narrowed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7748">TS</a>]

02:09:11   on the ten-dollar years recurring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7751">TS</a>]

02:09:13   subscription for the pro you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7753">TS</a>]

02:09:15   he climbed from our over can i call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7755">TS</a>]

02:09:17   premium premium yeah well alright you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7757">TS</a>]

02:09:20   can call it that way I was kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7760">TS</a>]

02:09:22   going off of like you know like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7762">TS</a>]

02:09:24   stream music services call their ad free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7764">TS</a>]

02:09:26   tears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7766">TS</a>]

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02:09:29   it semantically it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7769">TS</a>]

02:09:30   pros shorter and again pros kind of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7770">TS</a>]

02:09:33   kind of better to call something pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7773">TS</a>]

02:09:35   that adds almost no features right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7775">TS</a>]

02:09:38   it's like what it likes o premium like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7778">TS</a>]

02:09:40   it there was basically like you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7780">TS</a>]

02:09:41   kind of going off of like what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7781">TS</a>]

02:09:43   are accustomed to hear and and streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7783">TS</a>]

02:09:46   music services are way more popular than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7786">TS</a>]

02:09:47   overcast so like if they're all saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7787">TS</a>]

02:09:50   their ad free tears are called premium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7790">TS</a>]

02:09:51   and if I call mine that I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7791">TS</a>]

02:09:54   basically get it but the big change is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7794">TS</a>]

02:09:57   on the ad side where instead of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7797">TS</a>]

02:09:59   Google's mobile ad services you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7799">TS</a>]

02:10:02   dropped it for your own homegrown system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7802">TS</a>]

02:10:04   where you're going to sell or you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7804">TS</a>]

02:10:06   selling ads that do you sell the ads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7806">TS</a>]

02:10:10   they get shown with the novel idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7810">TS</a>]

02:10:13   which is very obvious and it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7813">TS</a>]

02:10:15   gets into my thing when i was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7815">TS</a>]

02:10:17   about audible before that he gets my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7817">TS</a>]

02:10:18   audible advertises on a podcast because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7818">TS</a>]

02:10:21   they know everybody listens to it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7821">TS</a>]

02:10:23   listening to spoken word kind and so one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7823">TS</a>]

02:10:26   of your ideas is that podcasts can't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7826">TS</a>]

02:10:29   these ads to promote their podcast so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7829">TS</a>]

02:10:32   could buy ads for the talk show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7832">TS</a>]

02:10:34   people would be listening to other shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7834">TS</a>]

02:10:36   and if they're for users of overcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7836">TS</a>]

02:10:38   get a little at the bottom and I can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7838">TS</a>]

02:10:39   to pitch them on listening and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7839">TS</a>]

02:10:41   tap it it doesn't like take them to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:45   website or something it does something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7845">TS</a>]

02:10:46   far smarter than that it takes you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7846">TS</a>]

02:10:49   the page you know not the page but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7849">TS</a>]

02:10:51   the card in overcast where you would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7851">TS</a>]

02:10:54   able to either subscribe to my show or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7854">TS</a>]

02:10:56   listen to the latest episode to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7856">TS</a>]

02:10:59   it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7859">TS</a>]

02:11:00   yeah you browse the whole episode list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7860">TS</a>]

02:11:01   the whole history of the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7861">TS</a>]

02:11:02   everything you know days exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7862">TS</a>]

02:11:04   you get from the a podcast screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7864">TS</a>]

02:11:06   it's the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7866">TS</a>]

02:11:07   yeah I mean it's that this was kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7867">TS</a>]

02:11:11   mean I've kinda like falling into all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7871">TS</a>]

02:11:13   business models for overcast here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7873">TS</a>]

02:11:16   don't know if it's gonna work i mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7876">TS</a>]

02:11:18   never know you have to the bottom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7878">TS</a>]

02:11:19   and you know like my RSS feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7879">TS</a>]

02:11:21   sponsorships have worked way better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7881">TS</a>]

02:11:23   I thought they would are then I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7883">TS</a>]

02:11:25   hoped they would but i'm sure glad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7885">TS</a>]

02:11:28   tried it because it worked a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7888">TS</a>]

02:11:29   antenna then I thought it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7889">TS</a>]

02:11:31   and who knows it maybe it will maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7891">TS</a>]

02:11:34   won't but it at least fits the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7894">TS</a>]

02:11:36   description of advertising that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7896">TS</a>]

02:11:38   sustainable and works in my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7898">TS</a>]

02:11:41   and isn't just a flash in the pan which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7901">TS</a>]

02:11:43   is that it's got to be that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7903">TS</a>]

02:11:45   win-win-win scenario where it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7905">TS</a>]

02:11:48   value for the advertiser it's not super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7908">TS</a>]

02:11:50   annoying to the user and it makes money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7910">TS</a>]

02:11:53   treat the person selling the ad and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7913">TS</a>]

02:11:56   kinda has that and and part of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7916">TS</a>]

02:11:57   that you get that to work is to not try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7917">TS</a>]

02:12:00   to make ads that are exactly like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7920">TS</a>]

02:12:03   ads for previous medium or did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7923">TS</a>]

02:12:06   to use the analogy fighting the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7926">TS</a>]

02:12:08   war but what what is native for this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7928">TS</a>]

02:12:12   you know like I've given talks about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7932">TS</a>]

02:12:14   but like any early days when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7934">TS</a>]

02:12:16   would try to monetize RSS they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7936">TS</a>]

02:12:18   have to a strategies the big one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7938">TS</a>]

02:12:20   was super common for a long time was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7940">TS</a>]

02:12:22   that you wouldn't put the full article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7942">TS</a>]

02:12:23   in the RSS feed you didn't have to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7943">TS</a>]

02:12:25   ads in and anybody wanted you to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7945">TS</a>]

02:12:27   list of articles and if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7947">TS</a>]

02:12:29   read one you get like a two-sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7949">TS</a>]

02:12:30   summary and then you double click it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7950">TS</a>]

02:12:32   go to the website and then you'd see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7952">TS</a>]

02:12:34   website at all that work you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7954">TS</a>]

02:12:37   works in terms of not giving away your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7957">TS</a>]

02:12:39   content for free but it wasn't what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7959">TS</a>]

02:12:41   people who use RSS readers want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7961">TS</a>]

02:12:43   they they they were using RSS readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7963">TS</a>]

02:12:45   because they wanted to read your stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7965">TS</a>]

02:12:47   in the RSS reader yesterday only ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7967">TS</a>]

02:12:49   the feet right so the next thing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7969">TS</a>]

02:12:50   would try to do is they would put banner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7970">TS</a>]

02:12:52   ads in the each article which made them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7972">TS</a>]

02:12:55   like little web pages and they paid like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7975">TS</a>]

02:12:57   pennies and everybody just skipped over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7977">TS</a>]

02:12:59   and so my idea was why not just have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7979">TS</a>]

02:13:03   paid entry in the feet like once a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7983">TS</a>]

02:13:05   make given the whole entry don't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7985">TS</a>]

02:13:07   something in the entries just sell an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7987">TS</a>]

02:13:10   entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7990">TS</a>]

02:13:11   and has worked out very very well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7991">TS</a>]

02:13:14   think selling a podcast i think if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7994">TS</a>]

02:13:16   your idea works i think actually having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7996">TS</a>]

02:13:18   the podcast sell at by other podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/7998">TS</a>]

02:13:22   buying the ads is going to work and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8002">TS</a>]

02:13:25   of the things that it occurred to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8005">TS</a>]

02:13:27   what do you see a lot when you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8007">TS</a>]

02:13:28   regular commercial TV what do you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8008">TS</a>]

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02:13:36   network couldn't sell the spot and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8016">TS</a>]

02:13:39   well we'll put an ad for modern family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8019">TS</a>]

02:13:42   during a you know the the football game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8022">TS</a>]

02:13:46   because we don't we didn't sell the spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8026">TS</a>]

02:13:48   they do it because they know it's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8028">TS</a>]

02:13:50   valuable to get people to watch the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8030">TS</a>]

02:13:53   like I can't even tell you how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8033">TS</a>]

02:13:55   times during the Superbowl they told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8035">TS</a>]

02:13:56   how many forget what the show was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8036">TS</a>]

02:13:59   and it shows that while the ads work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8039">TS</a>]

02:14:01   but they kept telling you what you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8041">TS</a>]

02:14:03   show is going to be on right after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8043">TS</a>]

02:14:05   superbowl yeah it was like the new 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8045">TS</a>]

02:14:07   reboot or something like that over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8047">TS</a>]

02:14:10   over and over again because it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8050">TS</a>]

02:14:12   because you're already watching TV right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8052">TS</a>]

02:14:14   exactly and listening to a podcast yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8054">TS</a>]

02:14:18   and so like that's like I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8058">TS</a>]

02:14:21   the only question my mind basically is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8061">TS</a>]

02:14:23   like do enough podcasters have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8063">TS</a>]

02:14:27   money to want to pay for ads right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8067">TS</a>]

02:14:30   and that's a big question mark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8070">TS</a>]

02:14:32   that's why I'm like this isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8072">TS</a>]

02:14:33   podcast like I also have like a hover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8073">TS</a>]

02:14:35   add a Squarespace add a little added my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8075">TS</a>]

02:14:37   like AI can advertise for i put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8077">TS</a>]

02:14:40   whole thing to be fairly generic so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8080">TS</a>]

02:14:42   can advertise for podcast or just any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8082">TS</a>]

02:14:44   websites or apps in the App Store I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8084">TS</a>]

02:14:47   any of those things can be advertised it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8087">TS</a>]

02:14:50   with these with these ad units and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8090">TS</a>]

02:14:52   control server side so I can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8092">TS</a>]

02:14:54   finally answered them as necessary I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8094">TS</a>]

02:14:57   just ate ever means to be seen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8097">TS</a>]

02:15:00   whether podcasters actually will buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8100">TS</a>]

02:15:02   these at the prices they end up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8102">TS</a>]

02:15:05   worth or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:06   well what i don't--that's I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8106">TS</a>]

02:15:08   what percentage i mean right now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8108">TS</a>]

02:15:10   your revenue is overwhelmingly from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8110">TS</a>]

02:15:12   premium subscribers correct yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8112">TS</a>]

02:15:14   basically what what allowed me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8114">TS</a>]

02:15:16   freedom to even try this at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8116">TS</a>]

02:15:18   is that what i found in September since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8118">TS</a>]

02:15:20   using the google ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8120">TS</a>]

02:15:22   the the google ads in apps and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:25   means this is true of have any you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8125">TS</a>]

02:15:27   and advertising basically in how much it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8127">TS</a>]

02:15:30   works for you is extremely dependent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8130">TS</a>]

02:15:34   your click-through rate you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8134">TS</a>]

02:15:36   basically how many clicks do you get per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8136">TS</a>]

02:15:38   thousand impressions of the ad as its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8138">TS</a>]

02:15:40   shown and my click-through rate in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8140">TS</a>]

02:15:44   google ads was awful it was it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8144">TS</a>]

02:15:47   far below like industry averages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8147">TS</a>]

02:15:49   everything it was terrible and who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8149">TS</a>]

02:15:50   to jump out to a web browser and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8150">TS</a>]

02:15:53   certainly part of it i mean and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8153">TS</a>]

02:15:54   part of it and how many people how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8154">TS</a>]

02:15:56   people think if they tap it and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8156">TS</a>]

02:15:57   to web browser that the podcast is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8157">TS</a>]

02:15:59   to stop playing it didn't because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8159">TS</a>]

02:16:01   gonna run in the background but how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8161">TS</a>]

02:16:03   people wouldn't even would maybe even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8163">TS</a>]

02:16:05   vaguely interested but wouldn't tap it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8165">TS</a>]

02:16:07   be out of fear that the podcast would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8167">TS</a>]

02:16:08   stop playing which would be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8168">TS</a>]

02:16:09   worst thing ever and ever thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8169">TS</a>]

02:16:11   that but so basically like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8171">TS</a>]

02:16:13   there was that big problem of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8173">TS</a>]

02:16:16   know I'm i tap travay was terrible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8176">TS</a>]

02:16:18   ends and also just you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:21   advertise in these kind of like bulk ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8181">TS</a>]

02:16:24   networks on mobile they weren't often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8184">TS</a>]

02:16:27   very high quality and it's alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8187">TS</a>]

02:16:29   it's the result of this was was both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8189">TS</a>]

02:16:32   that they look kind of junkie and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8192">TS</a>]

02:16:35   they made very little money and so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8195">TS</a>]

02:16:38   and the the only reason that this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8198">TS</a>]

02:16:41   succeeded as a business model at all is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8201">TS</a>]

02:16:44   because having the ads they're made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8204">TS</a>]

02:16:47   lot more people subscribers premium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8207">TS</a>]

02:16:49   members than the previous system which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8209">TS</a>]

02:16:52   is basically like subscribe if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8212">TS</a>]

02:16:53   me it was like kind of like a voluntary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8213">TS</a>]

02:16:55   patronage things right that got very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8215">TS</a>]

02:16:57   people to subscribe and so having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8217">TS</a>]

02:17:00   ads there you know I thought it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8220">TS</a>]

02:17:02   a nice balance of my car i'll make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8222">TS</a>]

02:17:04   of money from ads and some money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8224">TS</a>]

02:17:05   subscription ends I made more money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8225">TS</a>]

02:17:08   subscriptions and I thought and way less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8228">TS</a>]

02:17:10   money from ads I expected so there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8230">TS</a>]

02:17:12   there the advantage they have the hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8232">TS</a>]

02:17:13   of surviving there is that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8233">TS</a>]

02:17:16   replace the ads with basically any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8236">TS</a>]

02:17:19   ads like it doesn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8239">TS</a>]

02:17:21   whatever i replace them with as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8241">TS</a>]

02:17:24   it brings in some money it can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8244">TS</a>]

02:17:28   come out basically you know that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8248">TS</a>]

02:17:30   same or ahead at from the little bit i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8250">TS</a>]

02:17:33   was making from google just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8253">TS</a>]

02:17:34   like my tap rate was 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8254">TS</a>]

02:17:36   terrible from those ads and doesn't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8256">TS</a>]

02:17:38   doesn't make you hang your head in shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8258">TS</a>]

02:17:39   but the quality that is long exactly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8259">TS</a>]

02:17:43   haven't wanted and i only have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8263">TS</a>]

02:17:44   about 24 hours worth of numbers so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8264">TS</a>]

02:17:48   but might a parade on the new ads is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8268">TS</a>]

02:17:51   something like I think it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8271">TS</a>]

02:17:53   hundred times better than it is but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8273">TS</a>]

02:17:55   it's some obscene multiplier I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8275">TS</a>]

02:17:58   again i only have 24 hours to data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8278">TS</a>]

02:18:00   everyone's trying to map to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8280">TS</a>]

02:18:01   they are so you know this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8281">TS</a>]

02:18:03   representative of long-term trends but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8283">TS</a>]

02:18:05   i'm confident so far that I I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8285">TS</a>]

02:18:08   had something better this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8288">TS</a>]

02:18:11   i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i think it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8291">TS</a>]

02:18:16   to work i think it's a good idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8296">TS</a>]

02:18:17   it's it's definitely better than the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8297">TS</a>]

02:18:20   dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8300">TS</a>]

02:18:20   no I mean my only question really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8300">TS</a>]

02:18:22   like you know in six months are most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8302">TS</a>]

02:18:25   the ads that you see an overcast going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8305">TS</a>]

02:18:27   to be for websites like hovering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8307">TS</a>]

02:18:29   Squarespace are they going to be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8309">TS</a>]

02:18:30   podcasts yeah and I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8310">TS</a>]

02:18:32   yeah but it's good to keep an open mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8312">TS</a>]

02:18:33   and let it sort out exactly as it falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8313">TS</a>]

02:18:36   water seeks its own level I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8316">TS</a>]

02:18:38   is one of those things to where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8318">TS</a>]

02:18:39   underestimate your personal skill set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8319">TS</a>]

02:18:42   terms of your I mean it you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8322">TS</a>]

02:18:46   main part of overcast is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8326">TS</a>]

02:18:48   it's an iOS app and its programming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8328">TS</a>]

02:18:51   know and you've done we talked you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8331">TS</a>]

02:18:53   extensively already about the all the UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8333">TS</a>]

02:18:55   stuff that you've done and changed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8335">TS</a>]

02:18:57   customized and and to customizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8337">TS</a>]

02:19:00   table view and all this stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8340">TS</a>]

02:19:01   just pure this is what iOS developers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8341">TS</a>]

02:19:04   of good apps do but your background as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8344">TS</a>]

02:19:07   CMS developer let's gives you like such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8347">TS</a>]

02:19:11   a leg up in terms of I'll just build my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8351">TS</a>]

02:19:13   own ad network and you are it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8353">TS</a>]

02:19:17   because you did this before you built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8357">TS</a>]

02:19:19   the system that we we use I use it.you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8359">TS</a>]

02:19:22   ATP's it just to just set up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8362">TS</a>]

02:19:26   schedule of podcast ads you know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8366">TS</a>]

02:19:29   adds her in which episode what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8369">TS</a>]

02:19:31   say it was just something you built out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8371">TS</a>]

02:19:35   of the frustration of like whatever jury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8375">TS</a>]

02:19:38   rigged system i don't remember what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8378">TS</a>]

02:19:40   did before but I i use a terrible excel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8380">TS</a>]

02:19:42   spreadsheet before and that's what most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8382">TS</a>]

02:19:44   people have some kind of like awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8384">TS</a>]

02:19:46   combination of what actually tied oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8386">TS</a>]

02:19:47   yeah I was a number spreadsheet yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8387">TS</a>]

02:19:49   it was just awful and it it you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8389">TS</a>]

02:19:55   like your ability to to have this second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8395">TS</a>]

02:19:57   skill set where you can build the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8397">TS</a>]

02:20:00   end of a dynamic on-the-fly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8400">TS</a>]

02:20:04   up-to-the-minute add thing is a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8404">TS</a>]

02:20:07   advantage of being able to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8407">TS</a>]

02:20:08   something like this because I can see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8408">TS</a>]

02:20:09   lot of people might come up with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8409">TS</a>]

02:20:11   idea but then like they will wait how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8411">TS</a>]

02:20:13   would I actually how I actually managed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8413">TS</a>]

02:20:15   the ads on the back end so that they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8415">TS</a>]

02:20:17   served and maybe that would would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8417">TS</a>]

02:20:20   percolate up to the level where they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8420">TS</a>]

02:20:21   it because they don't have that skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8421">TS</a>]

02:20:22   set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8422">TS</a>]

02:20:23   well I mean it's it I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8423">TS</a>]

02:20:26   necessarily say they don't that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8426">TS</a>]

02:20:27   it's much of a skillset honestly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8427">TS</a>]

02:20:30   more of like a a willing / it's more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8430">TS</a>]

02:20:33   a confidence to do it because like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8433">TS</a>]

02:20:35   many so many app developers don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8435">TS</a>]

02:20:38   lot of server-side experience and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8438">TS</a>]

02:20:40   like you know that they have experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8440">TS</a>]

02:20:41   developing the local native app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8441">TS</a>]

02:20:43   maybe not necessarily the server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8443">TS</a>]

02:20:44   shops or they don't want to run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8444">TS</a>]

02:20:47   server themselves or have to depend on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8447">TS</a>]

02:20:48   server and and I just whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8448">TS</a>]

02:20:51   whatever it is that intimidate people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8451">TS</a>]

02:20:54   are turns people off about running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8454">TS</a>]

02:20:55   servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8455">TS</a>]

02:20:56   I don't have that is my job you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8456">TS</a>]

02:20:59   before making apps my job was all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8459">TS</a>]

02:21:01   running servers and running application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8461">TS</a>]

02:21:02   servers and so I just became comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8462">TS</a>]

02:21:04   with that running servers are running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8464">TS</a>]

02:21:07   apps on servers and writing back end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8467">TS</a>]

02:21:08   code is actually way easier than writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8468">TS</a>]

02:21:10   app code in so many ways it's it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8470">TS</a>]

02:21:14   know sorry back and developers i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8474">TS</a>]

02:21:15   i'm i'm one of you sometimes but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8475">TS</a>]

02:21:17   telling you it's so much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8477">TS</a>]

02:21:19   most of the time that i'm writing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8479">TS</a>]

02:21:21   most app code that you have to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8481">TS</a>]

02:21:23   make a reasonable quality app and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8483">TS</a>]

02:21:26   isn't the most developers can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8486">TS</a>]

02:21:27   it's that most of them think they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8487">TS</a>]

02:21:29   do it so don't even try it the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8489">TS</a>]

02:21:33   challenge for me trying to always add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8493">TS</a>]

02:21:36   stuff is that I just find it incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8496">TS</a>]

02:21:38   interesting like the the ID like i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8498">TS</a>]

02:21:41   actually really got a lot of enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8501">TS</a>]

02:21:43   out of designing the ad format and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8503">TS</a>]

02:21:45   integrating into the app and making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8505">TS</a>]

02:21:47   work flow nicely but doing the backend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8507">TS</a>]

02:21:49   of like putting in the ads and tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8509">TS</a>]

02:21:52   how many clicks they get like that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8512">TS</a>]

02:21:54   could not be less interested in doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8514">TS</a>]

02:21:57   that I put it off forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8517">TS</a>]

02:22:01   well you did it i don't know we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8521">TS</a>]

02:22:05   how it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8525">TS</a>]

02:22:05   I literally did it like three days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8525">TS</a>]

02:22:07   yeah the other little details i have are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8527">TS</a>]

02:22:11   some of the the changes that you call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8531">TS</a>]

02:22:13   a diosss seven vacation so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8533">TS</a>]

02:22:16   good things about the timing of over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8536">TS</a>]

02:22:19   casas it debuted with ios7 so it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8539">TS</a>]

02:22:21   had to go through that shift from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8541">TS</a>]

02:22:24   old world of iOS 6 to iOS 7 visually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8544">TS</a>]

02:22:27   and you know in terms of the the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8547">TS</a>]

02:22:29   code map and assumed you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8549">TS</a>]

02:22:32   stop it went through the shift just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8552">TS</a>]

02:22:34   really thought accept me right and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8554">TS</a>]

02:22:39   interesting like it's but it's I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8559">TS</a>]

02:22:42   never an iOS 7 hater but I was seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8562">TS</a>]

02:22:45   definitely debuted at the extreme end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8565">TS</a>]

02:22:48   the direction that it went which i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8568">TS</a>]

02:22:50   is the way that you go I think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8570">TS</a>]

02:22:52   right way to it was right for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8572">TS</a>]

02:22:54   go push it as far as they could with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8574">TS</a>]

02:22:57   thin fonts and the translucency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8577">TS</a>]

02:22:59   everywhere but they've dialed a back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8579">TS</a>]

02:23:04   lot of ways each step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8584">TS</a>]

02:23:06   iOS 8 to 9 to 10 and a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8586">TS</a>]

02:23:11   changes you made an overcast three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8591">TS</a>]

02:23:13   really bring them to the forefront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8593">TS</a>]

02:23:15   because there were some things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8595">TS</a>]

02:23:17   been there and overcast since one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8597">TS</a>]

02:23:18   out that are now gone but that we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8598">TS</a>]

02:23:20   disappear until now like the popover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8600">TS</a>]

02:23:23   that you would get for the info on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8603">TS</a>]

02:23:25   podcast which you said you hated from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8605">TS</a>]

02:23:27   the beginning I did I i hated popovers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8607">TS</a>]

02:23:30   and included in the user popovers was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8610">TS</a>]

02:23:34   translucency like iOS 7 introduce an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8614">TS</a>]

02:23:37   awful lot of things that were like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8617">TS</a>]

02:23:39   semi-translucent piece of glass or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8619">TS</a>]

02:23:43   it's like the popover that i'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8623">TS</a>]

02:23:44   about look like it was printed on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8624">TS</a>]

02:23:46   frosted glass so you could like see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8626">TS</a>]

02:23:49   like a shower you can see that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8629">TS</a>]

02:23:51   somebody in the shower but you can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8631">TS</a>]

02:23:53   what they look like you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8633">TS</a>]

02:23:55   use of blur because what happened was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8635">TS</a>]

02:23:57   like at the time that iOS 7 came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8637">TS</a>]

02:23:59   whatever combination of hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8639">TS</a>]

02:24:02   software tricks blur is computationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8642">TS</a>]

02:24:05   intensive and so they basically couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8645">TS</a>]

02:24:07   do it before and on on that years i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8647">TS</a>]

02:24:10   think it was 2013 the camp came out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8650">TS</a>]

02:24:13   that year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8653">TS</a>]

02:24:14   of iphones they were finally powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8654">TS</a>]

02:24:17   enough to really do it in the NHL with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8657">TS</a>]

02:24:19   couple of nice offer tricks to to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8659">TS</a>]

02:24:20   little bit faster and so it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8660">TS</a>]

02:24:23   they had this new technical ability that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8663">TS</a>]

02:24:25   that was pretty rare before especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8665">TS</a>]

02:24:27   and was not seen it all mobiles it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8667">TS</a>]

02:24:29   too complex to do on mobile hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8669">TS</a>]

02:24:32   so they went nuts with it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8672">TS</a>]

02:24:33   know typical you know when you get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8673">TS</a>]

02:24:35   tech ability you first go to the energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8675">TS</a>]

02:24:37   dialogue back and then they certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8677">TS</a>]

02:24:38   did but i think what if what this update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8678">TS</a>]

02:24:42   really focuses is where we we still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8682">TS</a>]

02:24:45   blur apple still uses blur extensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8685">TS</a>]

02:24:47   in iOS 10 but instead of being like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8687">TS</a>]

02:24:50   foreground panel that's in the front and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8690">TS</a>]

02:24:53   that you see through its the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8693">TS</a>]

02:24:55   that gets blurred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8695">TS</a>]

02:24:56   so for example when you get to the force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8696">TS</a>]

02:24:58   touch on a on an episode to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8698">TS</a>]

02:25:01   peek peek at it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8701">TS</a>]

02:25:03   the panel is not translucent but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8703">TS</a>]

02:25:05   background around it is which is in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8705">TS</a>]

02:25:09   a subtle difference but i think it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8709">TS</a>]

02:25:11   much better because that yeah it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8711">TS</a>]

02:25:14   make the thing you're looking at hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8714">TS</a>]

02:25:15   read but it gives you this in immediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8715">TS</a>]

02:25:18   context of oh this is temporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8718">TS</a>]

02:25:21   this is just a little you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8721">TS</a>]

02:25:22   it's all blurry in the background I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8722">TS</a>]

02:25:23   pop this thing up because I you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8723">TS</a>]

02:25:26   thing about blur is like it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8726">TS</a>]

02:25:28   it's it besides being computationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8728">TS</a>]

02:25:30   difficult it's also very hard to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8730">TS</a>]

02:25:33   around ya like it like when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8733">TS</a>]

02:25:35   have these flurry foreground pains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8735">TS</a>]

02:25:38   these large blurry expanses and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8738">TS</a>]

02:25:41   have like you know behind me I'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8741">TS</a>]

02:25:43   some like bright pink icon shining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8743">TS</a>]

02:25:45   through any of this black pink blob in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8745">TS</a>]

02:25:47   the in the blur area it's very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8747">TS</a>]

02:25:50   design around that to make that both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8750">TS</a>]

02:25:52   legible and attractive in all situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8752">TS</a>]

02:25:55   it's nearly impossible and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8755">TS</a>]

02:26:00   other difference that's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8760">TS</a>]

02:26:02   moving directly away from iOS 7 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8762">TS</a>]

02:26:04   slightly thicker lines you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8764">TS</a>]

02:26:07   constant stuff like that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8767">TS</a>]

02:26:09   sharing icon and stuff it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8769">TS</a>]

02:26:11   everything isn't so wispy anymore it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8771">TS</a>]

02:26:13   little you know I wouldn't say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8773">TS</a>]

02:26:15   thick lines but they're they're much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8775">TS</a>]

02:26:17   more like regular lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8777">TS</a>]

02:26:19   oh you should have seen the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8779">TS</a>]

02:26:21   between me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8781">TS</a>]

02:26:22   Lou mantia that i designed the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8782">TS</a>]

02:26:25   entire rest of the app myself and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8785">TS</a>]

02:26:27   went to him see he made the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8787">TS</a>]

02:26:28   icon so I went to him to to refresh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8788">TS</a>]

02:26:31   icon and and I showed him the screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8791">TS</a>]

02:26:36   of of the toolbar the main screen as for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8796">TS</a>]

02:26:39   comes across the toppings like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8799">TS</a>]

02:26:40   you doing with the stroke with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8800">TS</a>]

02:26:43   the you know the the lines in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8803">TS</a>]

02:26:47   icons and everything and in all previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8807">TS</a>]

02:26:49   versions were one point wide which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8809">TS</a>]

02:26:51   you know two pixels on the on the 2x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8811">TS</a>]

02:26:54   phones and then three pixels or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8814">TS</a>]

02:26:56   death and three pixels on anyway so one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8816">TS</a>]

02:27:00   point we had before I want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8820">TS</a>]

02:27:02   everything a little bit thicker two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8822">TS</a>]

02:27:04   points in most things look too thick so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8824">TS</a>]

02:27:08   the actual stroke width of most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8828">TS</a>]

02:27:11   icons and overcast is 1.5 points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8831">TS</a>]

02:27:15   this makes everything suck this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8835">TS</a>]

02:27:18   makes everything about icon design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8838">TS</a>]

02:27:20   harder because you can either have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8840">TS</a>]

02:27:24   blurry on all devices or you can align [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8844">TS</a>]

02:27:27   things to quarter-point boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8847">TS</a>]

02:27:31   have it work so that's what I did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8851">TS</a>]

02:27:35   when i try to make another designer do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8855">TS</a>]

02:27:36   that I got some pushback eventually we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8856">TS</a>]

02:27:41   work to help you putt that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8861">TS</a>]

02:27:44   result is that almost all the icons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8864">TS</a>]

02:27:47   overcast three have a 1.5 points stroke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8867">TS</a>]

02:27:50   width and it works so it looks sharp and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8870">TS</a>]

02:27:53   so it's not gonna work out well I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8873">TS</a>]

02:27:55   3x iphone 10 so that's wrong that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8875">TS</a>]

02:27:58   question so basically the way it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8878">TS</a>]

02:28:01   the way of aligning them on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8881">TS</a>]

02:28:02   quarter pixel boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8882">TS</a>]

02:28:03   it was it is sharp on 2x on 3x it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8883">TS</a>]

02:28:08   little bit less sharp but there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8888">TS</a>]

02:28:10   many pixels and kind of thinking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8890">TS</a>]

02:28:11   might notice yeah get on i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8891">TS</a>]

02:28:13   don't notice on the plus phones now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8893">TS</a>]

02:28:15   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8895">TS</a>]

02:28:19   have to see anyway I think it's here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8899">TS</a>]

02:28:20   that makes anything else you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8900">TS</a>]

02:28:23   talk about I don't think so I mean we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8903">TS</a>]

02:28:27   only been going for two and a half hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8907">TS</a>]

02:28:28   I mean we we still have three more to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8908">TS</a>]

02:28:30   right that's short for us we gotta write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8910">TS</a>]

02:28:32   it really is really short for us i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8912">TS</a>]

02:28:35   the release know you had that one bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8915">TS</a>]

02:28:36   had to fix you have one emergency bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8916">TS</a>]

02:28:39   it but it seems like that got through to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8919">TS</a>]

02:28:40   do have to do an expedited review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8920">TS</a>]

02:28:42   no I say it was just fast yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8922">TS</a>]

02:28:46   just that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8926">TS</a>]

02:28:47   so yeah I actually actually fixed help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8927">TS</a>]

02:28:50   me pull up i have affixed 13like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8930">TS</a>]

02:28:53   important day one bugs one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8933">TS</a>]

02:28:56   you know people had a couple understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8936">TS</a>]

02:28:58   like why did you beat it is this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8938">TS</a>]

02:29:00   with a bigger group your beta group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8940">TS</a>]

02:29:01   stuck and and the the reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8941">TS</a>]

02:29:04   literally is secrecy like that's it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8944">TS</a>]

02:29:07   a boring reason and but that's true like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8947">TS</a>]

02:29:08   I have done bigger base before I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8948">TS</a>]

02:29:10   basis where I've tried to feel like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8950">TS</a>]

02:29:12   1000 my test flights lots and I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8952">TS</a>]

02:29:15   pretty close they had like eight hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8955">TS</a>]

02:29:16   people on one of them and and I've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8956">TS</a>]

02:29:19   like a medium-sized works like a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8959">TS</a>]

02:29:20   and fifty people and and this one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8960">TS</a>]

02:29:22   something like 40 or 50 people and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8962">TS</a>]

02:29:25   reason why I kept it small is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8965">TS</a>]

02:29:27   every previous beta I've done I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8967">TS</a>]

02:29:30   the instructions please don't share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8970">TS</a>]

02:29:32   screenshot to this with anybody please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8972">TS</a>]

02:29:34   don't show those people who aren't on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8974">TS</a>]

02:29:35   the baby like please try to keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8975">TS</a>]

02:29:36   under wraps and every single time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8976">TS</a>]

02:29:39   been bigger than my group of people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8979">TS</a>]

02:29:40   like friends i did this baby with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8980">TS</a>]

02:29:42   like it because it and it's not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8982">TS</a>]

02:29:44   trying to be devious things don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8984">TS</a>]

02:29:45   the directions and they think it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8985">TS</a>]

02:29:48   i want to show it off whatever else so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8988">TS</a>]

02:29:50   just didn't want that like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8990">TS</a>]

02:29:51   there was enough new stuff in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8991">TS</a>]

02:29:54   visually that I did not want anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8994">TS</a>]

02:29:56   sharing a screenshot before I am able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8996">TS</a>]

02:29:58   the world and you know did it whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/8998">TS</a>]

02:30:01   you think it's a valid excuse for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9001">TS</a>]

02:30:02   that was the reason and and I knew I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9002">TS</a>]

02:30:05   could trust this group of people to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9005">TS</a>]

02:30:07   be attentive to that to be trustworthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9007">TS</a>]

02:30:09   of that so I tested it just with it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9009">TS</a>]

02:30:11   trusted friends and I found the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9011">TS</a>]

02:30:14   number of bugs that you find with larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9014">TS</a>]

02:30:17   groups of people actually isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9017">TS</a>]

02:30:19   much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9019">TS</a>]

02:30:19   I don't think likely there that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9019">TS</a>]

02:30:21   really experience I think the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9021">TS</a>]

02:30:22   you can do it is to a public beta and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9022">TS</a>]

02:30:25   then you'll you will shake out more bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9025">TS</a>]

02:30:27   in the aggregate but then you completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9027">TS</a>]

02:30:29   blowing any kind of secrecy because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9029">TS</a>]

02:30:31   a public beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9031">TS</a>]

02:30:32   yeah exactly and you kinda can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9032">TS</a>]

02:30:34   in iOS like that is kind of what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9034">TS</a>]

02:30:36   simulated with my like test flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9036">TS</a>]

02:30:38   invitation for me with that with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9038">TS</a>]

02:30:39   previous tests but but it's yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9039">TS</a>]

02:30:43   it's a basically is like now I would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9043">TS</a>]

02:30:46   it for a bug fix update because now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9046">TS</a>]

02:30:48   there's nothing secret for the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9048">TS</a>]

02:30:50   releases next release gonna be bug fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9050">TS</a>]

02:30:52   and minor feature edition so like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9052">TS</a>]

02:30:53   would consider doing it now but now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9053">TS</a>]

02:30:55   not necessary anymore and I really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9055">TS</a>]

02:30:57   found that keeping the beta small is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9057">TS</a>]

02:30:58   way to go so anyway we're about a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9058">TS</a>]

02:31:00   of bugs you about 60 with Vesper and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9060">TS</a>]

02:31:02   rule was i'm looking at the list right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9062">TS</a>]

02:31:04   now because we put me at credit i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9064">TS</a>]

02:31:06   say out of the 60 at least 40 of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9066">TS</a>]

02:31:08   are people who I would give my wallet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9068">TS</a>]

02:31:09   too and I general but that was like our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9069">TS</a>]

02:31:12   general rule and then the other 20 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9072">TS</a>]

02:31:14   ones that either printer or Dave would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9074">TS</a>]

02:31:16   vouch for you know but the rule was if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9076">TS</a>]

02:31:18   you wanted somebody on the beta you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9078">TS</a>]

02:31:19   have to be someone that you would verify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9079">TS</a>]

02:31:21   you trust with your wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9081">TS</a>]

02:31:22   yeah exactly and the end area at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9082">TS</a>]

02:31:26   of the benefit of having a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9086">TS</a>]

02:31:28   people on that then that only beta is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9088">TS</a>]

02:31:30   fairly small it's a really dimension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9090">TS</a>]

02:31:32   returns so yeah it's fine so anyway I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9092">TS</a>]

02:31:35   fix all the bugs in a release that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9095">TS</a>]

02:31:37   through today i created one also major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9097">TS</a>]

02:31:40   bug during that release which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9100">TS</a>]

02:31:42   now you can't create a new playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9102">TS</a>]

02:31:44   anymore so I have to fix that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9104">TS</a>]

02:31:48   is besides those things that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9108">TS</a>]

02:31:51   been great and you know the server's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9111">TS</a>]

02:31:52   haven't collapsed or anything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9112">TS</a>]

02:31:54   everything's pretty stable there so I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9114">TS</a>]

02:31:57   so far so good i uncovered that bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9117">TS</a>]

02:31:59   while we were talking about this earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9119">TS</a>]

02:32:00   and I didn't want to tell you i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9120">TS</a>]

02:32:02   create playlists bug yeah yeah yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9122">TS</a>]

02:32:05   there's no there's no save button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9125">TS</a>]

02:32:07   yeah that's that's a tough one yes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9127">TS</a>]

02:32:09   right I think you're right off probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9129">TS</a>]

02:32:11   I I probably the time that you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9131">TS</a>]

02:32:13   published episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9133">TS</a>]

02:32:14   it might even be fixed this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9134">TS</a>]

02:32:15   probably gonna have to issue an update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9135">TS</a>]

02:32:17   tomorrow to fix that one and hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9137">TS</a>]

02:32:19   gets the purview somewhat quickly i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9139">TS</a>]

02:32:20   kind of I feel kinda guilty putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9140">TS</a>]

02:32:22   through like something in a preview two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9142">TS</a>]

02:32:25   days in a row but I'm then I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9145">TS</a>]

02:32:28   they've got the wheels to turn it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9148">TS</a>]

02:32:29   there where that's not you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9149">TS</a>]

02:32:30   feel guilty it seems like they've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9150">TS</a>]

02:32:32   got you know they've really up up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9152">TS</a>]

02:32:34   capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9154">TS</a>]

02:32:35   I mean everything was like like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9155">TS</a>]

02:32:37   requesting fast reviews like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9157">TS</a>]

02:32:39   happen to be going through quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9159">TS</a>]

02:32:40   yeah yeah i think especially if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9160">TS</a>]

02:32:42   don't request an expedited review just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9162">TS</a>]

02:32:44   just fix it however often you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9164">TS</a>]

02:32:47   yeah and I feel like I i I'd be like put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9167">TS</a>]

02:32:50   on some like bad list you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9170">TS</a>]

02:32:52   like everyday for a while and maybe if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9172">TS</a>]

02:32:54   it kept up for a very long time but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9174">TS</a>]

02:32:57   then it might be more like let's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9177">TS</a>]

02:32:58   sure this guy isn't doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9178">TS</a>]

02:32:59   suspicious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9179">TS</a>]

02:33:00   yeah that's true well Marco thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9180">TS</a>]

02:33:03   for your time thank you everybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9183">TS</a>]

02:33:06   listen to your the dulcet tones of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9186">TS</a>]

02:33:08   voice on a very regular weekly basis at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9188">TS</a>]

02:33:11   ATP dot FM which is literally my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9191">TS</a>]

02:33:15   favorite podcast and thank you i said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9195">TS</a>]

02:33:18   do notice that you cheat and it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9198">TS</a>]

02:33:20   to the top of the list in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9200">TS</a>]

02:33:22   overcast you would not believe how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9202">TS</a>]

02:33:26   people think that I mean it's not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9206">TS</a>]

02:33:31   of people with the night ideas because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9211">TS</a>]

02:33:34   the sears ide I do get the occasional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9214">TS</a>]

02:33:37   angry email or one star app store review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9217">TS</a>]

02:33:40   from people who think that the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9220">TS</a>]

02:33:44   reason I made overcast was to promote my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9224">TS</a>]

02:33:46   own podcast and that that's why it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9226">TS</a>]

02:33:50   up in the most recommended list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9230">TS</a>]

02:33:51   sometimes that I have hard-coded it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9231">TS</a>]

02:33:55   appear there was a time change the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9235">TS</a>]

02:33:57   of my show and triple-a talk show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9237">TS</a>]

02:34:00   except that I've yellowpages triple-a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9240">TS</a>]

02:34:03   deflection a talk show you exactly how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9243">TS</a>]

02:34:06   wanted to add that reminds me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9246">TS</a>]

02:34:08   amazing that you said that i wanted i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9248">TS</a>]

02:34:09   have i have some follow-up from like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9249">TS</a>]

02:34:11   episode 10 weeks ago on ATP you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9251">TS</a>]

02:34:13   haha course you work and you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9253">TS</a>]

02:34:15   confused about a minor league baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9255">TS</a>]

02:34:19   and why single A&W yes triple-a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9259">TS</a>]

02:34:24   just mores or better and so why are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9264">TS</a>]

02:34:27   major leagues quadruple a if they are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9267">TS</a>]

02:34:31   concept it's you could think of them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9271">TS</a>]

02:34:34   if my whole question was like why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9274">TS</a>]

02:34:37   Tripoli like the top tier in videogame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9277">TS</a>]

02:34:39   budget terms right but like this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9279">TS</a>]

02:34:42   minor league baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9282">TS</a>]

02:34:44   yeah i think that it's different i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9284">TS</a>]

02:34:47   that I don't know that's actually a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9287">TS</a>]

02:34:48   question on the video games i suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9288">TS</a>]

02:34:50   that the triple-a for video games has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9290">TS</a>]

02:34:51   absolutely nothing to do with baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9291">TS</a>]

02:34:53   that it doesn't come from baseball that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9293">TS</a>]

02:34:55   it's some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9295">TS</a>]

02:34:56   some other route so are their single a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9296">TS</a>]

02:35:00   and double-a teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9300">TS</a>]

02:35:01   yes they're single a which is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9301">TS</a>]

02:35:04   regional and then double-a is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9304">TS</a>]

02:35:06   bit bigger triple-a is elite its people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9306">TS</a>]

02:35:09   most of the people on a triple-a team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9309">TS</a>]

02:35:11   are the expected or at least have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9311">TS</a>]

02:35:15   potential to play Major League Baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9315">TS</a>]

02:35:17   and then you can think of Major League [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9317">TS</a>]

02:35:19   Baseball is quadruple a baseball but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9319">TS</a>]

02:35:21   they nobody calls it then nobody ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9321">TS</a>]

02:35:23   won because it's not my neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9323">TS</a>]

02:35:25   what are the Columbus Clippers I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9325">TS</a>]

02:35:27   idea and there's also has triple-a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9327">TS</a>]

02:35:30   there's all certainly affiliate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9330">TS</a>]

02:35:31   Cleveland Indians there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9331">TS</a>]

02:35:32   independent leaks which are so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9332">TS</a>]

02:35:37   believe it's the case i could be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9337">TS</a>]

02:35:39   but I believe it's the case that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9339">TS</a>]

02:35:40   single a double-a and triple-a team is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9340">TS</a>]

02:35:43   affiliated with a major league team like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9343">TS</a>]

02:35:46   the Yankees grown a triple-a team and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9346">TS</a>]

02:35:49   double a team and an a-team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9349">TS</a>]

02:35:51   but then there's independent leagues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9351">TS</a>]

02:35:52   which aren't affiliated with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9352">TS</a>]

02:35:55   majorly team I think right over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9355">TS</a>]

02:35:58   river here in philly the Trenton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9358">TS</a>]

02:35:59   whatever they're called land sharks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9359">TS</a>]

02:36:01   rat sharks or whatever the hell they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9361">TS</a>]

02:36:03   called are on a on a filler and shocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9363">TS</a>]

02:36:06   that yeah yeah that they're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9366">TS</a>]

02:36:08   independent team and so they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9368">TS</a>]

02:36:09   affiliated with a major league team so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9369">TS</a>]

02:36:12   but they they some of them are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9372">TS</a>]

02:36:16   don't single-a and some of them are even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9376">TS</a>]

02:36:18   like double-a they say but for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9378">TS</a>]

02:36:20   part they're they're just players who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9380">TS</a>]

02:36:22   are having trouble getting picked up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9382">TS</a>]

02:36:23   a major league team anyway I figured I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9383">TS</a>]

02:36:25   explain that to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9385">TS</a>]

02:36:26   thanks I actually I didn't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9386">TS</a>]

02:36:28   that like they weren't just all triple-a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9388">TS</a>]

02:36:30   know like I'm seeing a like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9390">TS</a>]

02:36:32   only to know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9392">TS</a>]

02:36:33   are the Columbus Clippers because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9393">TS</a>]

02:36:34   that was my team growing up in Columbus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9394">TS</a>]

02:36:36   like we go there like on school field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9396">TS</a>]

02:36:38   trip because it costs nothing and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9398">TS</a>]

02:36:40   actually are triple-a apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9400">TS</a>]

02:36:42   associated with the Indians and then now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9402">TS</a>]

02:36:45   that I'm in New York the nearest team I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9405">TS</a>]

02:36:47   think of this car of this caliber is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9407">TS</a>]

02:36:50   long island ducks which are apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9410">TS</a>]

02:36:52   independent there in the the Liberty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9412">TS</a>]

02:36:55   division of the Atlantic League a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9415">TS</a>]

02:36:57   professional baseball which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9417">TS</a>]

02:36:58   affiliated with the lb acts as a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9418">TS</a>]

02:37:01   I have no aa's don't have any days no a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9421">TS</a>]

02:37:04   baseball team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9424">TS</a>]

02:37:05   it's not trend that's Camden it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9425">TS</a>]

02:37:07   camden riversharks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9427">TS</a>]

02:37:08   and they were closed yeah at restaurants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9428">TS</a>]

02:37:11   close enough yeah yeah but that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9431">TS</a>]

02:37:13   what i love about these games like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9433">TS</a>]

02:37:15   don't you know I I wish I cared about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9435">TS</a>]

02:37:16   support i really do because i like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9436">TS</a>]

02:37:19   know the rules all the games i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9439">TS</a>]

02:37:20   care what the teams and so I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9440">TS</a>]

02:37:23   into it but like I i like the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzZ7Hag/9443">TS</a>]

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