Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► I'm Merlin hi John oh whoa i did a [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► little switcheroo did you see that yeah [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► now you got a guy keep the fresh I mean [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► it's weird it's weird i don't think i've [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► ever done that in the long time Leland [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► your guard down you're relaxed I do feel [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► a little bit like my guard is down oh no [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► you feel vulnerable I feel a little [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► vulnerable yeah no I'm sorry I'll be [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► gentle today thank you how's John doing [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► ah you should do some self care of ya [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► i'm sitting here holding up holding a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► half squeeze tube of athletic shoe and [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► boot patch goop I'm still processing [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► that sense um a city that's the kind of [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► that's the kind of stuff that's gonna [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► put me back together I can't believe you [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► could even get get a sentence like that [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► out I uh I scheduled an appt today oh [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► okay right now gone on my calendar oh [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► okay oh boy we're off to the races you [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► know you know how i ended up my calendar [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► right yeah oh sure i'm on the receiving [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► end of it a lot of the time hey hey no [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► it's very helpful well you know Oh bull [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► you know time is a flat circle yes it is [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► you gotta respect time it keeps on [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► tricking cuz you you don't you don't get [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► to bend it to your will time you got to [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► be there for time time time will not [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► wait for you time time flowing like a [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► river time even before I realized [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► according to twitter today is I don't [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► know international nap day I just [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► realized there's there's two things that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I know that I've got to do I gotta just [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► do I got eat more protein and I need [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► tick naps is that right you've decided [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► that naps are now not a luxury but uh [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► but a necessity they're not a necessity [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► but it's well it's kind of complicated [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► but I as much as I am an advocate for [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► naps and most people are not a lot of [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► people I know do not like taking [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► naps they don't like the idea of naps I [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► think most of us share a secret shame [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► about napping mom which is that I was [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► with you with secret shame well yeah [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► well you know its secrets secret shame [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► I'm still waking up the other take a nap [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► but it's very early it's very early and [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► I think the people are understandably [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► naps feel like weakness it feels like a [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► lack of strength and vigor and i think [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► that's it that's a young person's game I [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► I do and it's you know people like to [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► joke you know with the person about [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► getting older and that's okay that's [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► just something a young person does but [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► you know the truth is that like I don't [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► have the energy that I used to have and [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► I have certain prophylactics that I put [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► in place to deal with that and one of [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► those is getting a little bit of walking [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► exercise which has been really hard [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► because it's rained and rained it rained [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► in the past few months but you know two [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► of them are this is really boring but [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► two of them are like I need to eat more [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► protein and less of the other things and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► i'm going to occasionally have the [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► temerity to put a nap on my calendar and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► make every attempt to actually honor it [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► right on the calendar because go so [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► finally the reason I'm doing this is [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that what happens instead is I futz [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► around I look at the internet I start to [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► read a book that's not a nap I listen to [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the beatles and pretty soon it's 315 [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► yeah and I gotta pick up my kid which is [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► the thing that I do and I happily do but [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► then I say to myself I say oh I'll get a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► nap after I bring her home and that sure [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► now almost never works and if it does [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► work I feel bad she feels bad she can [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► she's already know you were sleeping and [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► I feel now I really do feel like a like [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► a like a layabout as he said yeah you're [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► just goofing around yeah so I'm gonna [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► try getting in an hour-ish nap and I'm [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► gonna see how it goes being on the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► schedule I didn't mean so not like a [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► podcast but that's the thing that I'm [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► going to try tell me about when is the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► nap scheduled experience in these [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► matters all right let me go look what [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► were the hours what you've got an hour [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► I got I gonna talk to John Roderick from [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► me from 10 to a little before noon I'll [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► slice this bitch up put as i like to say [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► i put it on the internet but right i put [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► it on the internet and then the nap that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► i have planned is for about 1 15 oh wow [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► you're just gonna get off the podcast as [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► you say slice this bitch up yeah quotes [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and which is funny because it's neither [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► a bitch north sliced no I don't just you [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► know I make a little couple cups cuts i [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► put in that sugar from San song and then [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► it's just it's on the Internet is that [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► doesn't sound like something Adam lizard [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► Gore would have said so it's not it's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► not from the past no it's just your [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► missus gets old thinking it's all [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► thinking but no so yeah and then you're [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► gonna go boom right into the nap too I'm [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► trying to give myself a little bit time [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► to go home maybe have some protein try [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► to eat more protein and because one [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► thing I know here's a life hack one life [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► hack i know i learned this yesterday is [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► if i eat a big midday meal i give very [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► tired oh yeah but like yesterday i had a [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► great run farmers Merlin it's not like [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► you just came in from the plow we like [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► to think we like to think we're farmers [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► yeah Oh or meet a hearty Moor more gravy [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► ma ma I love me some biscuits no that's [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► not what we austere day I did that thing [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► i do where i took my daughter out to [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► lunch and i had had a you know had my [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► multiple sauce deployment system so i [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► had a patty melt with with french fries [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► and then i had ketchup mayonnaise and a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► side a monkey dish of white gravy uh-huh [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► dipping yeah and then i had no problem [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► taking the one-hour nap yesterday but [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► see now that is a nap under duress that [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► is a body you know you're shutting down [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► oh you it's like we got to get out of [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Hoth we can i start loading up the ships [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and get out of here hmm well let me tell [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► you let me tell you as a long time uh as [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► long time super napper hmm I've got I've [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► got a few things to say about this I [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► want to hear every single one own well [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it turns out [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► that in fact an hour nap is this is I'm [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► getting right into some some deep life [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► hack territory here it sounds to me like [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► you're verging into what I'm going to [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► call science we're gonna get into a [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► little bit of nap science okay an hour [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► it turns out is not the optimal nap [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► duration mm-hmm that a nap it seems like [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► the benefits of a nap would only [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► increase as you increased the length of [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► the nap as far as what it seems like [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► right doesn't that seem like well 45 [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► minute nap is good an hour nap is going [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► to be better okay but naps are there are [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► different kinds of naps and what you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► want to do is is get the restorative [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► benefit of the nap talk about like a [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► disco nap I drop the spoon kind well [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► there's there so there are there are [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► there are little sort of pockets that [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► are based basically on your on your [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► brainwaves let's be honest we're talking [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► about brain waves now and you want to [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► get in and get out but if you can't get [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► out can't get in get out then you gotta [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► stay in until the next opportunity get [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► out I've heard this and I have believed [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► this for years I'm gonna be honest with [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► you i preached this for years the most [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► people have a sleep cycle i learned this [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► in college i was told in college by a [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► cognitive psych psych professor that [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► everybody has a slightly different wave [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► thing i'm going to call it as a science [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► term but that most people have a sleep [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► cycle that comes down to increments of [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► about 90 minutes mm-hmm and he would say [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► this is the thing that you can exploit [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► so if you're driving for a really long [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► time and i don't mean to hijack your [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► topic but this is what I've always heard [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► was you could pull over and if you know [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► your cycle you know is 90 minutes you [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► sleep for exactly exactly 90 minutes you [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► get through a full cycle that's not as [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► good as eight hours of sleep but it's [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► way closer to eight hours of sleep than [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► an hour is more or conversely two hours [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► two hours not good because now you're [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you're breaking up your our EMS yeah you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► can't break up your REM because then you [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► got ya bilberry out driving tractors the [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► drummer you get this guy over here [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► let's go over here now you're done todos [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► santos that I've heard that for one T [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► almost 30 years and the only thing i've [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► heard against that is our mutual friend [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► max Temkin know somebody who is a sleep [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► researcher who says that's kind of [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► bullshit I still think I believe that [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► that's probably true and yet and yet and [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► yet alas studied yet John really really [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► really still waking up I'm sorry well so [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► much my experience has been as I've as [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► I've explored all the naps mm-hmm is [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► that truly a five-minute nap has the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► power of a thousand naps Cartman nap [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► which is which seems completely against [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► all what were all intuition but a [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► five-minute nap is a mind-blowing little [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► like Jim Jam just like you're hitting [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► reset it's just a reset you go down and [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► there's a you know and that that it you [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► lay down your immediately like because [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► when when you're this isn't an app where [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► you like all right I've got to make [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► myself nap and you lay down your feet [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► are jamming and you're like a heard that [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► called a Churchill nap a Churchill nap [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► is where you act like you're going to [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► sleep you take off your clothes maybe [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► you put on your jammy jams you shudder [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► all the blinds you act like you're going [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► to sleep like in a hotel room that's the [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► launcher chill nap but you're describing [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► something more of what I've heard called [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► dropping the spoon which is its when you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► lay in the hammock you got a spoon your [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► hand over a plate I know this sounds [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► weird and as soon as you drop the spoon [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► it hits the plate and you wake up kind [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► of like inception but that is enough for [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► you to basically restart your Mac is [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► what you're saying yeah I'm if you need [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► a nap which I which I so often do you're [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► like you're like oh fuck I need a nap [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► and you decide this I do this all the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► time in a chair you know and that talk [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► about getting talking about getting old [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► talk about being mocked by young people [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► my millennium girlfriend works with a [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► group of lawyers [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► in a little room and they all think [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► they're real special these lawyers [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► they're all in their 30s let's say yes [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► let's say they're in their early 30s [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► late 20s a bunch of accomplished lawyers [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► who work in a room and it's the time [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► it's you know it's in a place where they [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► keep the windows open so you imagine [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► there's a little bit of sea breeze [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► wafting through there and they have [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► started teasing her for dating an older [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► gentleman uh-huh in the form of me and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► they've started referring to me as [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► people that's yeah how do you like that [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► FIFA house people that's actually really [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► funny you know there are bunch of smarty [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► pants as they all went to Ivy League [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► schools and they think they know [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► something that I that I don't know [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► there's nothing think they got it all [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► figured out yeah they think they know [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► some things I think you know I petoskey [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► man I'm like and I'm sitting I'm sitting [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► somewhere far away going oh yeah people [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I was pretty good actually I you know [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► I'm dipping my corncob pipe and some [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► dish soap blowing bubbles all across the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► yard look people is doing but but I lay [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► back and I'm your eyes go shut and boom [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► you're asleep right if you really need a [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► nap boom you're asleep right and then [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► that first that first little jolt which [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► happens really quickly we're like well [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► look oh I should know that thing where [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you go huh ah yeah you're done yeah uh [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► you know and it lasted like uh not very [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► long you don't know how long it was no [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► you have no idea but you stand up and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► you kind of remember to shake it off and [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► you know and your ex man's got a new [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► girlfriend mm-hmm then whom you're up on [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► your feet and Bob's your uncle you're [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► ruling yeah and it really it really [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► works the and but but in the past right [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► i would i would get that debt start like [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► what huh and then i would i would [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► interpret that as part of the long slow [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► come you know the component tree that [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► leads to a long nap so I fought my [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► pillow and I dig back in but in fact [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► that is your body saying you're done [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► that takes training I'm guessing [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► I know it takes training to take a nap [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► because you have to get your head you [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► gotta get your mind right as Strother [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► Martin says you got to figure out like [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► this is the thing that I'm doing and if [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► I feel bad about it is the thing I'm not [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► going to be able to do so now you're [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► somebody who fails it naps which is [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► possibly worse than being somebody who [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► naps but you also have to din like [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► you're you talking about this turbo [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► situation why you say that's it I am [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► restored time to get back to bloom [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► people I need to blow some bubbles [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► mm-hmm is i like this site because you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► know what here's the other thing it's [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► like what it's like bourbon mustard [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► barbecue or kind of lingus a lot of [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► people say they don't like it because [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► they kind of doing it wrong and never [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► really learned how to do it right so you [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► say you don't like a nap you say you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► want a revolution maybe your problem is [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► you you you the listener with your [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► skepticism in your pea pod talk maybe [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► you're all like that because you never [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► got good at naps and you're right those [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► animals that tries to sleep for four [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► hours starting at like five o'clock at [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► night bad idea bad idea do you want [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► onions on your in and out burger the [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► answer is yes maybe you don't want to [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► all the onions mm-hmm see asking Guy [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► Fieri if he wants jalapenos with that [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► yeah course he does good suggestion can [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► you deep fry course the thing is here's [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► another thing that here's what yours a [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► little life hack for you and you may [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► have done this already yeah but yeah you [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► know I have a I have a vague familiarity [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► with your office I've been in it I've [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► looked at the shelves I've seen the [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► lighting I don't you know your home is [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► nearby so maybe when you it's nap time [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► you just uh you shuffle off to Buffalo [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► hmm but for your system your system [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► really would I have napped I have napped [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► a plenty at my office I used to have a [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► sleeping bag and a pillow here that I [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► eventually had to donate to the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► household for a sleepover and never came [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► back I need to get some kind of little [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► palette I could sleep on you like a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► little little uh you know like a little [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► Ishmael kind of thing get myself a [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► little a little bed to sleep on mm-hmm [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► hopefully not wrong hopefully not with [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► an Indian but I'll have a place to lay [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► down here for the road map start a [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► little straw mat so the way it is right [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► now when I nap at home I think myself [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► mentally okay fresh air is going to the [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► first commercial break or like like I [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► know you know this is ending news hour [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► is starting i have a rough idea of how [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► long it's been and [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► somehow out of the corner of my ear I'm [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► listening I'm listening for that I [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► should probably turn off the radio when [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► I'm sleeping I don't I cannot imagine [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► taking a nap well well NPR is churning [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► and I really do feel like all these all [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► these kinds of conversations the way [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► that people listen to NPR I really think [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► that there should be a special way of [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► gauging public radio ratings so because [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► NPR has amazing ratings and everyone [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► they then that's how they get all that [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► money from the government that's right [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► sometimes it's done now the money wave [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► right right in the job to Joan Kroc [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► foundation the government uh uh but let [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► me listen Adrienne viking river cruises [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► NPR is just in the background like the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► dishwasher oh that's that was my own [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► trick I mean I went from listening to [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► car talk once a week to having NPR on [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► all day because when i moved to [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► tallahassee that was the first place I [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► lived that had both a full-time [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► classical and a full-time news and [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► information so I had a full-on full day [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► of Public Radio you're right it was just [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► an all-day dishwasher Bob woods mother [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► used to listen to NPR and she was the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► most beautiful of all of the of all the [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► upper middle class moms that I knew [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► growing she had the ansan Suchi tea she [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► lived in one case right that's right [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that's right mom Bob's Bob mom and so I [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► always had a special affection in my [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► heart for I mean you know Bob's mom must [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► have been in 40 years old at the time so [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► I I was right she was probably she's [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► probably like empirically am an NPR lil [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► I'm in gr listen i but i but I uh but [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► yeah so I mean there's no going back but [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► I but you can't begin with the genie [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► back in the bottle no but but i I've [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► never myself been able to listen to NPR [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► at all and partly it's because I think I [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► don't know where the electrical outlets [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► are in this house yeah Joe it's it's an [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► older house I'm just trying to make that [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you don't do that that's very [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► interesting you think that should affect [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► their ratings though there should be [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► some way it maybe use the camera in your [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► microwave but you have a way to identify [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► whether people are actually mostly kind [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► of sleeping while it was in NPR it's [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► really hard to know right because I one [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► oh I don't want our ratings to be rude [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► to be reflected uh I don't you know I [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► don't want the fact that people are [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► listening to this and then sometimes [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► going wait a minute uh-huh I've got to [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► rewind that did they just say something [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► but Dodgers missed something i can't i [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► can't imagine listening to the show [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► while you're doing anything like trying [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► to sleep you need to stop everything [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► you're doing and just focus completely [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► you can maybe maybe wash dishes if it's [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► just plates but but if we're going to be [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► doing a lot of silverware Google's to [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► some other show my friend Kevin would [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► lay down to go to sleep at night with [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► his boom box on the bedside table which [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► is to say six inches from the front of [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► his face with the you know just the boom [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► box just cranked playing except and the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► you know new wave of British heavy metal [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► just blasting in his face he'd sleep [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► like that all night I think he had [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► tinnitus I've had friends with tinnitus [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► that sleep with pretty loud music or TV [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► on well I mean he was 15 at the time I [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► die I don't know whether I have no idea [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► i think he was just metal I mean you [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► have to be pretty metal to do that to [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► her but but there's a player as a part [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► of my nap strategy which is to make [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► myself uncomfort to make myself [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► uncomfortable but to not pursue comfort [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► as a prerequisite of taking a nap I'm [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► smart it's smart in so many ways on the [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► one hand it's smart cuz you're not going [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► to do a full Churchill that's not what [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you're there for but any other hand [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you're also lowering the barrier the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► Baird entry as we say in business you're [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► making it easier to slide into a [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► five-minute turbo nap I keep a pillow in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► my truck and when it's time to taking in [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► case you to deliver a baby or something [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► you know there's a lot of reasons you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► might need a pillow right somebody [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► invites you to a college football game [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the last minute you're like ah those [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► bleachers for my mom said you can go to [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► a sleepover I've got a pillow mm-hmm but [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the key to the key to the truck map is [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► you might think Oh get out of the [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► driver's seat go back lay down on the [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► bench seat let the second-row bench seat [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► that's not any more comfortable right [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► because you get seatbelt spoken in yet [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► it's not your office try to have to [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► contract your body [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► oh just stay seated in your driver's [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► seat grab the pillow and I have actually [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► done a truck not truck nap where I [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► didn't take the seat belt off you grab [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► the pillow you kind of you squeeze the [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► pillow like a little like a well not a [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► little like a pillow size teddy bear [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► mm-hmm and then you just kind of fall [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► over holding on to the pillow and the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► pillow then is between you know because [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► it's next to your cheek it's between you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► and whatever you fall against this [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► channel it could be the wheel it could [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► be the wheel it could be the seat next [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► to you if you fall sideways I envy [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► people who can do that on a plane you [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► see those people who can lay on their [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► tray that filthy tray I'm also amazed [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that people can sleep on that thing [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► because I've tried it and I feel like a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► dope you know what it is I probably in [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► practice enough but you're saying [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► whatever you fall on yeah you ever seen [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► those people to carry the big wedge the [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► like sex web see I've seen the sex wedge [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► in skymall there's also a sex wedge we [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► can get a job you put the whole thing [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► it's kind of like a like a seat hoodie [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► you put on this whole thing you get a [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► whole like atmosphere you get to being [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► at your own private space so if you like [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► if you drool or talk or something you [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► know stay you're in there and they're [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► developing like old old photographs I've [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► said to her you don't operate like that [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► feeling eggs yeah it's interesting no [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► it's electroplating I do people it's [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► better than eating a pizza and that's [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► all I'm gonna say about that on the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► plane yeah yeah eating a piece bring me [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► up people are you for so many reasons [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► John and this is just another one to add [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► to the ongoing list I did not know you [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► were this good I know you have an [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► interesting relationship with sleep as a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► thing mm-hmm but I didn't know you were [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► so sleep fluid and I'm really glad to [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► hear it well and part part of the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► necessity is that I'm this is really [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► hard for me to say because it does not [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it's not what I want you know what I [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► mean they're sometimes things you wanna [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► you don't want to say because not what [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► you want right you avoid you avoid [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► thinking it let alone sing it because [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► you feel like that is off-brand not [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► daddy's brand no and what and what I'm [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► about to say is that I am having [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► increasingly a difficult time sleeping [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► at night [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► again back to this yeah and so the so [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► the daytime naps are very necessary and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► these little five minute long you know [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► if you like a truck nap you're not going [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► to get comfort comfortable in that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► situation it's a net it's a necessity [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► nap but you wake up throw the throw the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► pillow over your shoulder start the [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► truck up I mean the guy that the guy [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that ripped off my house a couple of [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► years ago the way he got caught was he [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► took my computer obviously he gave it to [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► some meth dealer to get some meth this [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► all happened in the middle of the night [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► and then smoked a bunch of math and then [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► at a certain point you know I don't know [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► if you know about your your meth arc [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► right you smoke the math it's very [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► exciting you get very energized you know [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► you feel like you could collect you [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► could just march right through the Black [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► Forest let's say huh every 10 hours [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► you're just going to swoop right around [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► Paris and the wars gonna be over but [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► then somewhere up there at the PX slight [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► miscalculation what did you take moscow [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► leningrad and Stalingrad why do we take [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► all of the garage we need that oil any [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► oil out there baka baka world i [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► meanwhile back at the Wolf's Lair you [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► are he the said this guy this tingling [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► crashed in his car with the motor [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► running this is less than 24 hours after [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the incident right and yeah that's [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► pretty soon yeah 24 hours later he's a [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► he's because he probably hadn't been [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► sleeping up to whatever the decision [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► making process he was going through [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► where it was like I'm gonna break in [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► this house where this guy is sleeping [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► right this guy with this guy with an [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► umbrella stand full swords I'm gonna [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► just walk right in his house and steal [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► his stuff he probably hadn't been [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► sleeping for a while up to that point [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► okay yeah anyway so that's how he got [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► yeah he had a sleep deficit he probably [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► wasn't at the top of his game decision [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► wise yeah right and so I'm always [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► conscious of the fact that when I'm [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► taking a truck nap that some you know [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► some Bobby is going to come along and [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► rap on the wind chill with a billy club [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► say what's all this then it's a no [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► parking here you got to move along no [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► parking you got to move along and [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► then uh you know then I'm coming down [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► the stairs out of the public library or [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► whatever and the and the cop turns and [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► shoots me yeah that's what wiii happen [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► yeah so but i feel like the presence of [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► a pillow in that scenario any cop is [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► going to look in and go unless I'm [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► illegally parked right let's say oh this [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► guy came equipped with a pillow okay [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► pipe on the dash in the man has a teddy [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► bear size pillow yeah he's okay but I've [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► got it I've got to address this led this [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► nighttime sleeping thing you know [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► because night time sleeping is also [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► important yeah you you you struggled [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► with this for quite a while you you were [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► thinking about it was an owl's this was [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► a ongoing theme in some of their I don't [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► like to talk about the show on the show [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► but this is an ongoing theme for a while [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► here was what was happening with John at [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► night yeah I'm tossing and turning and [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► my feet are going somebody's app and I [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► feel like I've got this if I sleep in [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► certain if I sleep in certain postures I [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► have sleep apnea and then other postures [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► i don't i'm not sure how that works i do [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► not want to i do not want to be treated [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► for sleep apnea oh Jesus I think I [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► started I've started apparently snoring [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► loud enough to make my family Matt and [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► I'm with the guy I just don't have to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► wear one of those things this really is [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► becoming like this is becoming looks [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► like a podcast between George Burns and [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► fucking peep Steve Allen keep on friends [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yeah people on friends it's like oh how [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► long are your nose hairs now pretty long [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► they get my way when a guy I groom my [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► eyebrows often enough that it is still [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► really alarming how often my daughter [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► will just be staring like not at my I [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► she's like you got another one I'm like [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► you're kidding I just I just dealt with [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► this so I this is curious to me because [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► when I see when I see an older gent YC [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► of people keep on who's got unruly [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► eyebrows I feel only complete admiration [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and envy yeah you're like a wise doom [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► kind of person yeah but every woman I [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► know including most vociferously my own [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► sister they feel like unruly eyebrows or [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► something you know my sister is so [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► against unruly [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► oh yeah she uh she's pretty fixated on [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► that with your dad if memory serves with [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► a pair of scissors out of nowhere and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► start sniffing your eyebrows if I she's [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► like snit but nobody in my life seems to [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► feel like the unruliness of eyebrows is [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► a is an advantage and as we've discussed [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► before I don't have a ton of eyebrow [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► depth particularly not at a distance as [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► my eyebrows are very very very blonde [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► it's what makes you look in part what [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► makes you look so different when your [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► glasses are off you have a different [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► face yeah right it's why I wear glasses [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► to give my eyes some some my brow some [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► frame because I just my eyebrows are [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► just very very very very hard to see and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► that is infuriating to me because I [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► browser where a lot of the character the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► face is located and so when I start to [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► get unroot when my eyebrows start to get [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► unruly my first thought is well at least [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► now as they as they become like a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► hedgerow yeah um even though it's even [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► though it's blonde now verging into [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► white they'll be like interesting i'll [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► be i'll have eyebrow character finally [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and then you know and then my sister is [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► like not on my watch Skol I bet it's I I [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► suspected with regard to hair I suspect [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► it's a little bit like somebody trying [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► to grow a beard which obviously you [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► don't have a problem with but for like [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► people like me like growing a beard is [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► very painful to watch you know and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► everybody needs a beer it's everybody's [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► growing beards but like you know when [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► it's first getting going especially when [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you're younger and like I could never [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► get a fill-in right here this is this [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► area like right below the size of my [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► lips you know there's not that one spot [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that doesn't really fill in very well so [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► I gonna go full bite your lip yet you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► know down below like right here and then [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► you stop of the Wolfman Jack problem I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► am I don't love me thank you yes just [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► capture that well yes i know not beard [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► but the thing is like a local jazz [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► saxophone players i can i can reference [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► your i can reference your riff based on [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► your prior riffs of it above up [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► oh yeah so anyway I think it's just hard [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► to watch your gonna go full dune if [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► you're going to become like the dune guy [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► and you're going to get really like [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► serious cool eyebrows like you're going [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► to go nuts you're going to become like a [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► like like an adjunct professor or an [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► excuse me an emeritus professor if you [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► get emeritus eyebrows I think that's [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► something anybody could look at and go [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► that's press pretty baller the problem [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► is when you just got like four of them [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► it's a little bit unseemly so you know [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► usually commissioner and I need to avoid [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► your sister now what about your [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► millennium girlfriend how's she feel [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► about the eyebrows uh well you know [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► she's she's a room she's very accepting [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► of a lot of what would be described as [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► my peculiarities and I feel like the on [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► but you know but she has like she has [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► particular she has she has her own very [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► specific kind of ways that she likes my [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► peculiarities be expressed I think [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► that's I think that's a reasonable [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► balance so what shows she said an [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► interesting thing not very long ago [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► which was I do not like people with [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► unruly beards and well-groomed hair oh [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► it was kinda that's kind of a look now [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► yeah that's the fashion and I was the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► hell you get the Macklemore you get like [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► like a Rudolph Hess kind of thing going [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► on up here and then down here you're all [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► iron in wine right she said not into it [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► she said I do like it when you have [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► unruly hair and a fairly uh trimmed [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► beard and I go boom that is what I do i [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► do the unruly hair but i keep the beard [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► you know kind of like in line that's a [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► good right and she said she said yes to [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► that not to the other thing and you know [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► I I was I i if that was great because [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that's that's my inclination right she [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► has not she's not if she came to me and [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► said I really like your yeah I really [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► like your hair to be super ver mocked [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► and your beard to be Grizzly Adams okay [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► and she would never say Grizzly Adams [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► because that's not a reference that she [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► would never understand her me [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► but she would say but that's what she [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► said Wolfman Jack I would run around the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► yard because Wow whoo Wolfman Jack weird [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► but I'm here but Wolfman much anymore no [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► you know you heard about him a lot he's [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► everywhere and he was like he was like [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► the original Charles Nelson Reilly where [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► it was very difficult to understand why [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► he was that famous was he an American [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► Graffiti yes okay yes but you know he [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► was already like that was back in the [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► times I think when when those really [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► powerful outlaw radio stations in the [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► Midwest should be heard in 14 states and [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► you'd lay awake at night in your room [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► with your little radio yeah try to try [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and hear it Wolfman Jack out of time [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► tuscaloosa or whatever where was he yeah [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah but also radio was a [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► fairly regional thing where you can get [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► somebody who is like like very well [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► known in you know you get like Rodney on [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► the rocks or like you get a Wolfman Jack [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► and like you know I you would know these [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► names but you know not have much context [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► for i was i was watching a netflix [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► documentary series last night believe it [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► or not really good four part series [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► about the history of hip-hop and the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► first episode about the early days was [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► really really really good and you know [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► talk in particular about this one fella [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► who like was such an important driver it [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► was a radio guy you know it was soon he [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► touched on i'm not sure where I'm going [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► with this but it wasn't just like cool [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► it wasn't just kool herc it wasn't just [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► grandmaster flash or you know all the [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► names you kind of know from that era it [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► was also like pigmeat Markham you know [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► here come the judge here come the judge [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► like you go back and listen to that song [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► from 1968 it's totally a rap song and [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► like I don't know I thought it was very [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► interesting i'm very interested though [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► you think about the history of the [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► importance of the DJ and like that you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► don't get that so much anymore like even [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► in the 80s you had like Casey Kasem you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► still had dick clark and like you know [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► now today if people know dick clark [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► they're going to know him as probably [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► from bloopers or New Year's Eve well no [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► dear that's a quote in the inland in the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► early 80s in Anchorage at least [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► the DJ's were still a well-known local [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► personalities and I aspired to be one [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► like that was the first job I really [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► wanted and that I imagined was like [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► perfectly suited to me was radio DJ and [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► I listened to the radio you know we all [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► listened to the radio all the time but I [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► listened to the radio with that in mind [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► that this was potentially my career and [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► at 16 years old I reflect back on this [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► and I do not I do not remember ever [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► having this much Moxie but I did have [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► moxie I apparently I had a ton of moxie [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► because I actually did this which was I [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► went around to every single radio [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► station in Anchorage and applied for a [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► job how old were you 16 years old Wow [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► and I I would walk into the you know and [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► radio stations are not that glamorous [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► when you walk in to the they're usually [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► also pretty well fortified they are [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► their fortified they're they're [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► generally like in strange buildings like [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► I think they dealt with strangers [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► wandering in a lot at a radio station [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► yeah right you don't walk in and meet [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► loni anderson no um typically walk in [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► and all the door they're there for doors [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► leading out of the out of the anteroom [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and all of them are locked you know but [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► I what I went around and I said to each [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► person like hello my name is John [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Roderick and I would like to work here [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► at your radio station may I have an [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► application and the breath the person on [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the other you know like whoever was [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► there whoever was standing there or [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► whoever but buzz me in generally someone [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► who looked like who had a cigarette [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► dangling out of their mouth or you know [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► who who looked like they'd just gotten [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► done like fixing radios would say huh [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► and I'd say yes I am here to apply for a [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► job as a DJ I hear DJs on the radio I [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► believe I would be a good one [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► may I have an application please and [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► again they're just like you're squinting [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► at me through the haze like you say what [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► now yeah and and apparently what I [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► didn't understand is that that's not how [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► you can chose TJ it's all you know it's [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► like it's like you don't get a job in a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► regional theater company by walking in [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and saying hello I would like to join [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► your regional theater company right it's [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► like a you get ideas I you found your [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► Hamlet let me in yeah you get you get [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► into you get into it another way but so [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I went around and applied everywhere and [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► I was I was agnostic about format I was [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► like listen I'll do I'll do country I'll [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► do sports I'll do R&B like doesn't [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► matter and you should you should have [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► seen the reaction when I went into the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► R&B radio stations was like I would like [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► to be a DJ here but but I applied all [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► over town I did not get a very many [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► callbacks and the callbacks that i did [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► get were uh well you could hear someone [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► on the other end of the line like muffle [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the phone receiver and everyone in the [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► room was laughing oh no so I did and I [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► was just like listen I don't think you [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► people understand the opportunity you're [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► being given here this is me at the start [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► of my career who wants to launch it [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► right right and they were like thanks [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► thanks for stopping by will put your [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► application on file you know States late [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► like digging around they found an [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► application half the time they handed me [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► a yellow legal pad well I can fill out [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► your own application but but eventually [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► you know I went down in and I went down [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► to the local UHF 24-hour music video [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► television station that it just opened [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► I've told you this story i'm sure my [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► money I feel like I don't know this one [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► I know tell me again in Anchorage him in [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► the mid 80s there was a success of MTV [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► brought uh like a new business model [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► mm-hmm the low operating costs of MTV I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► mean right I people just a joke you free [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► stuff to put up well me yeah they had [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► fled what [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► five old radio detour five you know like [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► what were I think considered the cool [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► radio DJs and they just SAT there [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► basically played blade videos but what [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► we didn't know and what we didn't know [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► about them what we didn't know about [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► Casey Kasem or at least I didn't know [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► was it wasn't recorded in real time [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► right they could just write it wasn't [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► like there was always somebody sitting [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► there like watching the video oh it's [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► and here we go flock of seagulls with [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► Iran their palm I guess they're cheating [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► yeah he walked along the Avenue look at [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► that no actually watching the video [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► while it's playing get a cup of tea and [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► wander around like like howard hesseman [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► but but you're only the lonely can play [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► hmm so why is they hey that's right [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that's right that but but that was how [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► they did it at regional radio stations [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► right at local radio oh absolutely right [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► it was all happening in real time [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► because they had to be there to answer [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► the telephone when you called and so [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► this regional model was hey there's all [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► this UHF frequency which I which they [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► still don't understand but I sort of [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► understand why UHF wasn't like [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► completely populated by television [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► channels but I guess you get a license [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► but i agree with you why weren't there [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► like 10 UHS stations all we had was [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► independent in PBS I feel like the I [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► feel like the barrier to entry is do can [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► you get a transmitter can you get a [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► powerful enough transmitter that you can [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► be seen anywhere right just for a quick [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► real-time fact-check Wolfman Jack was [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► indeed broadcasting from a border [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► station so he is in like LA but there [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► was this X er be was like like 50 miles [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► away and shooting of 50,000 watts well [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► and I think I think even before he was [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► in LA he if I recall his story correctly [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► he was down in Texas or something and [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► went over and was like I'm on a Mexican [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► radio radio or you know it might have [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► even been like i hoid it I hate it put [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► it all [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► x-men council breakup border blaster [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► station Rosarito Beach Mako branded as [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the mighty 1090 in hollywood california [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► the station boasted 50,000 watts of boss [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► soul power there we go boss soul power [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► Merle hmm anyway so uh so in in them I [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► don't know early eighties mid 80s there [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► was this thing with like hey music [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► videos are easy to get a hold of they're [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► just they're thick on the ground right [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► now cuz everybody's making them um why [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► don't we we were watching them I would [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► every every spare minute I had before [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► school after school before bed every [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► spare minute I could I was like how do I [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► get more of the videos yeah I'm sitting [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► there trying to I'm sitting there [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► waiting for the captain sensible Vidya [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► to come back on the MTV only played that [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► captain sensible video 15 times in the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► is this like this is dumb and they threw [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it in the wastepaper basket but I [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► suppose me and stand and deliver by Adam [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► in the ants it was a real rarity like [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► when it came on it was like I made my [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► day machines and then chop Chomp Chomp [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► indeed Chomp Chomp so they're so in [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► Anchorage and it's just one of the very [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► few like that I think it was only a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► handful of places in the United States a [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► group of business people said this is [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the future of television it's like radio [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► and all we have to do is hook it up to a [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► transmitter and hire some hire some [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► young people to understand the lexicon [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► we'll get a bunch of videos which it's [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► not hard to acquire somehow i guess [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► probably because record companies were [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► like throat just shooting videos out of [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► a cannon at whoever would take him and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► they opened a television station called [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► catch-22 on UHF station 22 where they [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► played music videos and it was local [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► deed local vijay's and when that came on [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► the air i had already applied all over [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► town at all of the all the radio [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► stations and I was like you have got to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► be freaking kidding me we just opened [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► our own local MTV catch-22 where the you [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► know the music station where the music [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► is or whatever the look that were the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► GAD phrase was that you written all over [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► it yeah and I was just like you've got [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► aw and I ran down there [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► put in my application and they laughed [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► at me but because of this Moxie that I'm [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► describing I just kept going back I went [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► down there and I would sit in the lobby [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► I made a video tape of myself in front [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► of the camera and of course I didn't own [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► a video camera so I had to go use a [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► friends video camera and I SAT there and [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► was like hey everybody hey Anchorage [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► that last track you saw was Jeff was def [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► leppard an upcoming is the is the ZZ Top [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► and stay tuned and then you know I did a [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► bunch of those and made this video did [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► you find the video I took it down there [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and I handed it off to the to the you [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► know and and and and catch 22 actually [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► did have a loni anderson who was very [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► gentle with me but every time i came in [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► she would she'd say oh the program [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► director is in a meeting he'll be with [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► you in a moment and I would sit on the [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► chair I was you know I had grown I'd had [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► my growth spurt already but I still felt [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► like the chair was very tall and I would [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► swing my legs my in my short pants with [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► my socks pulled up to my knees plague [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► clean paddle all game and then there [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► obviously was a back door to this place [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► because then it would get to be the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► close of the business day and she would [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► say oh I'm afraid that he couldn't see [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► you today he's already welded miserable [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► your Rupert Pupkin yeah it happened many [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► many times uh and then somehow and I [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► just kept going I don't and I cannot [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► think of another oh wait a minute [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► there's another example and it happened [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► at the same time of my life when I [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► decided that I was going to that I was [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► going to be Kelly keepers boyfriend all [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► right and I've ever had I never had a [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► girlfriend before I didn't know how to [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► do it and so I just was like I just kept [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► sending her notes he's confident Nora I [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► did I was like I'm gonna be your [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► boyfriend and cheese she would say no [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► you're not that lasted for months until [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► I was her boyfriends but I saw it so at [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► this point and I don't know why I didn't [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► learn this lesson because it worked with [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► Kelly keeper and it eventually worked [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► with catch-22 I kept going down there [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► until finally he came out the great [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► Richard Hadlee who was one of only two [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► rockabilly guys in all of Anchorage [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► Richard Hadlee finally came out from [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► behind his magic wall [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► and said all right kid I looked at your [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► tape it was terrible there's no way I'm [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► putting you on the air but i will give [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► you a job as long as you promise never [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► to skip school I promised him he said if [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► I ever catch you skipping school you're [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► fired and I was like I swear I'm swear I [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► won't skip school and then yeah he gave [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► me a job and my you know and I'm and my [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► my my shows were overnight so I actually [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► I I should have learned at that from [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► those experiences that if you have moxie [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► uh you can you know you can accomplish [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► anything but i think if i if i look back [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► those are after i got that job at [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► catch-22 I never had ever had any moxie [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► again whatever when Moxie I you know I [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► forget about Moxie but Moxie's [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► definitely a thing yeah I stopped [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► ringing doorbells I stopped going in and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► sitting in people's offices and swinging [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► my feet yeah I stopped I stop saying you [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► know what sir I'm gonna be the best [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► salesperson this store has ever had I [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► oak wait I tried one more time mm-hmm [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► when I was 24 and I was trying to decide [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► whether or not I was going to be a [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► professional alcoholic or whether I was [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► gonna you know whether I really had the [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► with whether I had the Moxie to do that [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► really going for the green jacket just [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► like listen that's right am I gonna [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► going to augusta here or am I gonna be [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► am I gonna be a pro at a like a [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► community golf course right and I was [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► thinking to myself because I was trying [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► to work downtown I was trying to work i [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► worked at piper jaffray which was a [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► investment bank this is the place I had [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► all their other files in the top floor [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► that's right that's good and and I would [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► sit at a manual typewriter and type out [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► these million and a half dollar checks [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► to the Gates's while i was wearing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► combat boots because hey typewriter oh [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and I said this isn't this isn't for me [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► this is not I mean there are plenty of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► people at this investment bank who are [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► professional alcoholics but they are [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► coming at this from somewhere else they [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► got a they got a business degree from [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► the you know Washington State University [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► and they're in here and you know they [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► did not pursue this job in order to put [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► a mat put it put a beard on their [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► functional alcoholism that is a the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► ilysm is a byproduct of trying to sell [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► stocks too okay all right I'm calling [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► people to sell stocks and I'm going the [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► other direction I'm starting out with [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► alcoholism as the goal what kind of job [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► will allow me to you know will allow me [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► to pursue my true vocation and I said to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► I said to myself used car salesman used [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► car salesman is the perfect job for me I [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► like I like people unlike cars I like [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► talking to people mm-hmm um yeah yeah we [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► get him a bottle in your desk how cool [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► would that be exactly but you just got a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► flask in your hip pocket you're like [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► Kurt Russell and used cars and a blazer [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► you get to wear a freaking kooky blazer [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► you get to go outside you get that you [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► get to you get to ask people what do I [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► have to do today to put you in this [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► sedan that's how you get out there you [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► say look the undercoating comes comes [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► like that from the fact I manager but [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► you know it's a used car right so you [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► don't even have to you don't even have [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► to do that and on okay now that I'm [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► remembering this correctly when I was [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► taking this is this was not an idea that [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► started when I was 24 because when I was [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► applying at radio stations at the age of [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► 16 I was also applying at used car lots [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► in Anchorage I absolutely did this you [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► have more moxie than you realized I [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► forgot completely about that side of the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► story I was applying at radio stations [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and at used car lots because somehow I [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► recognized that the two jobs were very [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► very similar to one another Wow and when [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► I rolled up on used-car Lots where there [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► actually were like strings of flags [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► flapping in the wind and a double-wide [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► trailer set set at the long axis at the [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► end of the parking lot with a kind of [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► with some steps up to it and a and a [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► like a screen door cut into the side I I [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► distinctly remember walking across this [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► parking lot and there was a guy standing [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► at the top of the of the steps up to the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► double-wide trailer with the sliding [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► glass door open because it was spring [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► and he's standing there smokey I'm I am [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► remembering him smoking a cigar I have [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► no idea whether he was or not but he is [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► a genuine herb tarling standing up there [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► and he sees me coming and he imagines to [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► himself here's a six [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► year old I'm gonna put him into a 1969 [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► dodge dart says he's looking for his [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► first car sure and I walked up and I was [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► like sir I am ready to work for you and [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► he said how old are you I said 16 but i [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► can do anything i can do anything around [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► here but the thing was what i was not [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► saying to him i'm ready to wash cars I'm [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► ready to I'm ready to schlep stuff [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► around in order to learn your trade sir [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► I am ready to apprentice to you know I [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► was walking up saying I am a born used [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► car salesman and just turned me loose [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► you're not you're not Danielson you're [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► mr. Miyagi that's right put a blazer on [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► me and that turned me loose on people [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► and he had the he had the he had an even [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► worse look than the than the radio [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► station people he was just like.he [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► because it was like I walked in as far [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► as he was concerned it was like I walked [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► into an emergency rooms and sent to the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► emergency room doctor step aside my good [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► man and let me show you you know what [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► I'm twirling scalpers and evil in you [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► I'm 16 huh 16 have you ever seen Doogie [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► Howser it hasn't even come on the area [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► because i am he your kids are gonna love [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► it but so i went down so at 24 i guess i [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► revisited this idea like this is going [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► to be a great job for me as I practice [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► my my my true art form uh-huh which is [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► dissolution i'm gonna go i'm gonna do [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► this I'm gonna make this real but I went [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► down to honda dealership which also ran [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► up Rani a used car lot it was right down [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► the hill from where I lived and I walked [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► in and the sales people were about my [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► age really yeah you know guys in their [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► mid 20 s some cards Wow um and they are [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► so I walk in and they are hustling these [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► guys are moving fast they're what [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► they're fast walkers mm-hmm you got a [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► big car locks right in the scent of ten [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► and i said hey you know I said hey there [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► I'm looking for looking for a job I [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► think I'm a born I man [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► chill at this and the manager who was 35 [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► to be kind of seriously although i was [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► wearing combat boots and i had a soul [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► patch uh-huh and probably a puka shell [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► necklace little young huh and so he [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► actually gave me a real application [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► which I filled out and then he actually [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► gave me an interview where I went and [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► sat at a desk and he was like uh all [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► right well let's talk about this you [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► know you you looking for a job we're [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► looking we're looking for people and I [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► said well I think it's a match made in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► heaven and I was ready to start that day [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► because I'd been out of work for a while [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► and I needed some cash uh-huh and he [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► said all right well you know tell me [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► about yourself and we SAT and chatted [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and depth it up top and then I said so I [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► mean my idea is right this is 9-5 job [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and right and your weekends off and I'm [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► sometimes my band plays on friday so i [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► would need to get off a little bit early [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► in order to make it to sound check and [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► you know we practice on tuesdays and [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► thursdays so yeah kind of probably out [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► of here for 45 he's just he's just [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► sitting there with his chin on his hand [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► anything else and I said and yeah you [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► know given that it's you selling used [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► cars it's not like you got to be here at [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► seven right who's buying a car at seven [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► so you know feeling like rolling at ten [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► roll out of for your major like managing [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► expectations yeah I feel like I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► sell a bunch of cars in that time and he [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► listens to me talk for a while and and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► lay out what my expectations are and [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► then he does a very curious thing which [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► is some guys fast walking past and this [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► is the era of the wet look in men's hair [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► gel fashioned yo yes oh yeah I was a [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► dippity do man yeah a lot of hair gel [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► which causes your hair to become brittle [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► like the top of a meringue right now I [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► know it's very crispy yeah and and yet [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► also looks [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► wet like like it's bit solid solid as as [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► lucite but wet-looking and this guy's [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► fast walking past and he's got this [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► short hair but it's wet it's wet [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► dippity-do covered it and the managers [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► like hey uh you know hey Brendan or [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► whatever hang on a second and Brendan [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► like goes from fast walking to stopped [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► he's like what can I do for you bye [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► what's what's up Bob what would he need [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► as a batch of my top and the bob says [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► hey would you tell uh would you tell [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► John here kind of what your schedule is [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► like things like huh what my you mean my [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► work kids yeah as a matter of fact sure [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► I will you know I was me penny and [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► buried they're very friendly yeah sure [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► any kind of puts his hand on the back of [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► my chair and he's like get here about [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► seven I stayed till about ten or eleven [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► o'clock at night every day I'm here [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► seven days a week I'm just hustling you [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► know what I mean like I'm everyday i'm [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► hustlin I'm trying to sell some cars [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► here and if somebody needs me to stay if [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► somebody you know somebody can't decide [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► and then it's nine-thirty p.m. and they [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► want me to stay til 10 you better [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► understand you know he's got PMA he's [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► got positive mental attitude you freakin [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► does and he's trying to put some people [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► in smaller mobiles and as he breaks it [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► down super friendly and bob is super [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► friendly I'm sitting in the chair [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► realizing whoa this is not the job for [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► me at all where's all this hustle coming [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► from these guys really care you've [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► already shown an extraordinary amount of [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► moxie just to be there it seems like at [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► this point you should be able to just [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► kind of rest on your laurels well sure [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► and I mean I don't know if they've ever [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► seen me in action uh you assume you'd be [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► great at it you know the thing is there [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► are stormtroopers right and there are [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► Jedi North troopers seem to be marching [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► all the time they're marching down the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► hall there marching this way they're [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► marching that way they got that little [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► toaster following them really fast [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► toaster doesn't seem to be able to get [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► down a hall without without bumping into [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► a wall yes whereas a Jedi mm-hmm just [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► kind of sneaks around Dresden or dm's [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► like exactly you're coming you know [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► Polly he didn't he didn't move fast cuz [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► he didn't need to move fast maybe you [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► you know I'm saying you come in there [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► you're gonna change the temperature in [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► the room my friend yeah that's right [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► you're gonna be like John Roderick in [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► their date you're gonna learn [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► lot about how to how to move some [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► automobiles precisely it's a it's a [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► Sicilian message it means Luca Brasi [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► sleeps with the fishes what I'm what I'm [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► saying is you don't know I'm gonna walk [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► into this used car lot dressed in a [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► burlap road and I'm gonna say with the [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► with puka shells and I'm gonna stay this [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► isn't the dart you're looking for no I [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► used to work with your father and then [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► people are gonna be driving out of here [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► it's gonna be a freakin traffic jam at [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► the next light the number of people in [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► Honda Civics heading in every direction [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► uh so I feel a great disturbance in the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► force as if thousands of people are [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► suddenly going to get a great deal on [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► finance yeah it's like thousands of [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► people are driving CRX is it a you know [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► like on their way I'll just always think [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► of you wearing the robe what the hood [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► putting balloons with the carts good but [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► I'm filling up balloons right that sound [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► Mike you got PMA you got positive mental [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► attitude you got a little bit of moxie [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and you just happen to be a Jew who [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► sells yes yep people are gonna see that [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► Moxie they're good they're gonna see [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► sense the Moxie they're gonna feel it [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► they're gonna be over at carl's jr. and [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► go like I think I might need a new [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► automobile yeah that's right I'm gonna [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► walk out the door of that of that [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► double-wide trailer and the Jawas are [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► gonna scatter and then little broken [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► droids of me lying around in the sand [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► he's got a bad motivator so it's gonna [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► you know what its gonna be like fucking [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► swamp and nerf rats yeah I know they're [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► Ferger I see it in my in my in my mind's [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► Jedi I right now I see you fundamentally [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► changing the way the cars were sold I [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► see it I see it that's what I thought [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► too but what how Bob Bob was trying to [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► give you a little bit of his own a [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► little a little bit of Jedi from Bob [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► honey did you leave a mind trick [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► Brendan's leaning in and he told me [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► about his schedule but I look around and [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► I'm seeing that Chet and and Dougie and [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► the other guys have all been listening [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► in on my interview because it's an [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► open-plan office which is to say there's [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► just a bunch of desks in the in the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► lobby of [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► dealership they've all been listening [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► and they're all smirking and this is the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► one tonight and I think I think as [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► Brendan walked by and got grabbed by Bob [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► he had also been listening and was also [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► smirking and this was one of the rare [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► instances where a whole bunch of guys [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► with dippity-do in their hair smirking [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► at me was justified they were [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► justifiably Sparky yeah yeah because [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► again i had walked in to hockey practice [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► with a pair of skis and I'd said look I [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► got this have you guys met you guys [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► maybe have never seen a guy audition for [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► the Oilers with skis but here I am [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► you're the problems of the [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► outside-the-box thinker is that in a [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► given context you need somebody who fuzz [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► first understands what the fucking box [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► is before they decide to be out of it [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► you gotta know what the box you don't [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► know what the pot you know saying I [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► didn't know the box was right like you [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► know you don't get to be Picasso by just [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► you know scribbling on a page you know [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► in that case but that's that's what it [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► feels like and this is that weird [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► provincialism of youth is really feeling [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► like you know it's like God my friend [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► hair used to say he's like I've never [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► played drums but I just feel like I'd be [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► really good at drums yeah he did [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► eventually learn to play drums but you [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► know that feeling give me the tennis [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► racket obviously I'm Pete Townsend yeah [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► well and and I'm picturing the situation [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► where like I'm standing there in the car [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► lot and like hamid karzai with his 11th [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► fret as 11 family members arrived was [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► wearing his azz Afghani Duke and he says [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► I want to get into a CRX and I say [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► awesome we're gonna make this happen I [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► got band practice but let me give you my [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► card tomorrow morning come sign you know [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► sign the document so you'd be also [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► moving into fleet sales well I mean or [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► you know who knows what who knows what [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► cars i was looking for at to test a good [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► point yeah he might not want to be too [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► matchy-matchy exactly and you know and [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► well i don't know i don't know exactly [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► at that point what the best honda for a [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► desert environment is right because that [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► was the biggest problem with the thing [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► is you get people who are too [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► constrained by the idea that they have [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► to understand how to be a car salesman [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► you're going to miss a lot of people [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► you're going to miss a lot of Jedi's [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► with PMA [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► sighs yeah Prissy's anyway so i look [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► around and i realized that i am a figure [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► of fun 226 dippity-do guys who used to [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► be in the same fraternity at the [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► University of the University of [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► California Davis and so I skid and Bob [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► is real super nice about it and he's [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► like um so anyway based on this I feel [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► like uh you know do some thinking on it [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► about like hat and he actually says that [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► about like hat and he actually says that [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► it's about how committed you are to [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► selling cars and I stood up and he stood [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► up and we shook hands and I was like I'm [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► gonna go do some hard thinking on this [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► and he was like okay great get back to [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► us because we are looking for somebody [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► soup that I was the interesting I was [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► like very good talk to you I'm sure [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► we'll talk again he was like could I [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► look forward to it and everybody in the [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► everybody in the place as I walked out [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► the door was like thanks for stopping by [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► look forward to talking to you you know [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► and really really nice as they just as [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► we I moved toward the door and they had [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► a very light hand on my back but desde [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► have your process what was really [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► happening cuz I mean do you think it was [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► ultimately a kind of sales job were they [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► staying in character they didn't they [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► didn't like break into behind-the-scenes [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► mode in any way it sounds like no I [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► think it was I think it was a situation [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► where car dealers i'm betting have [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► already I mean they know as well as we [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► do that there is a cliche or right that [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► there is a that people cast aspersions [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► upon them and so within their fraternity [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► they are they understand that they are [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► actually a breed apart and they embrace [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► the idea that they are are they embrace [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► the the misunderstanding that they are [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► sleazes as a component of their own [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► group identity right they're like yeah I [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► get it you think you'd be a good car [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► dealer because you think your sleeves [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► and they probably put they probably part [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► of the whole program would be to project [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► it oh yeah you know there are some bad [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► apples out there but that's not what's [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► going on here that's right and and I [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► think what they saw in me was and I'm [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► not sure how many layers they were going [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► down with me but they were like yeah we [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► get it you think that being a car dealer [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► would be funny you think that being a [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► car dealer would be fun because you [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► would get to just be corny you'd be a [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► cheese ball and also sell cars but [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► here's the thing being car dealers is [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► not just hard it truly is a calling and [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► we are like being a car dealer is where [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► you begin your career as a salesperson [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► sir and if you are truly a Salesman one [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► day you know this is like rabotat run [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► rat you run rabbit run what's this guy's [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► a little bit like Parris Island I mean [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► you're gonna come in here and you're [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► going to learn stuff that it's going to [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► be applicable for the rest of your [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► career yeah this is all you will die if [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► you don't make it through this [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► particular phase of the training there's [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► no such thing as an ex-marine that's [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► right that's right call me sergeant I [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► work for a living yeah many stacked shit [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► that high so they are they were being [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► very kind because what they were because [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► it was a joke within their gang that [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► like here's another one who came in here [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► trying to sell himself to us but you [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► don't sell to us mm-hmm okay we sell to [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► you you're telling us yes you're telling [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► us that you are come you that the [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► undercoating is on from the factory on [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► you mm-hmm we know that the undercoating [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► is an option and so they spun me around [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► and got me out of they had no there was [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► no they had no interest in like sending [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► me out covered in shame because they [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► knew when I thought about it I was not I [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► didn't have it they gave you any plenty [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► of mental and emotional ammunition to [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► realize how off-base you were mmm kinda [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► yeah well and and and walking up the [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► hill from the honda dealership thinking [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► to myself i do not have what it takes to [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► be a used car dealer was for sure [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► reckoning because at that point in time [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► I could not differentiate between [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► between the motivation of any career so [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► it seemed to me that if you were going [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► to be a philosophy professor or you were [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► going to sell boats or you were going to [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► reupholster mid-century modern furniture [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► the the commonality between those three [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► jobs was that you had [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► some quality of job having a tude right [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► that every one of those jobs required [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► that you have moxie that you work [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► overtime that you you that you want it [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► so bad right and and maybe that's [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► actually true I mean from the standpoint [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► of a 22 year old okay if I wanted to be [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► a philosophy professor if I wanted to [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► sell luxury yachts or if I wanted to be [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► a upholster ER I would need to pursue [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► that and pursue it with like with an [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► enough passion to get through the [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► apprenticeship period and what I knew [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► about myself was that I did not want to [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► do anything that much I'm so interested [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► in the idea of the calling that's a [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► phrase I think I feel like that's a [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► phrase you would hear used primarily to [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► say calling to the clergy like you feel [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► a calling to become a priest or you feel [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► like the Lord is calling you to become a [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► nun and it's it's interesting because [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► like i am not a salesperson i don't like [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► talking about money i'm bad at all of [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► that but I i do think say at least sales [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► writ large might be a kind of calling or [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► sort of like i can't imagine any other [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► job you know like my mom is just really [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► she was a really really good salesperson [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► she was that rare kind of sales person [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► were like that's rare to me anyway we're [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► like people genuinely liked her like [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► they want they wanted to please her and [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► she was she was always so kind with [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► people and so patient with people and [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► she would put up a shit that I would [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► never put up with in a million years [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► like dude whether it was real estate or [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► retail and but I do think that there is [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► a certain kind of personality and maybe [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► it's a little bit manic or a little bit [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► like to my mind a little self deceptive [TS]