Roderick on the Line

Ep. 237: "Tape Loop Confusion Party"


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00:00:21   hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:25   Oh shaky darn and slop the chicken che I [TS]

00:00:35   know that there's that Garfield whoa [TS]

00:00:37   good grab have you talked about that [TS]

00:00:41   before no you just pulled shucky darn [TS]

00:00:44   slop the chickens right out of the back [TS]

00:00:45   here I'm sorry I do that how did I do [TS]

00:00:48   that that's amazing that's some sorcery [TS]

00:00:52   I can't say I kinda I kind of just [TS]

00:00:56   freaked myself out that is freaky yeah [TS]

00:00:59   that's a that's a deep cut that's the [TS]

00:01:01   deepest cut um I'm a pretty good morning [TS]

00:01:04   but just to give you some context here [TS]

00:01:05   yeah i just realized that poet like a [TS]

00:01:09   lot yesterday would have been his [TS]

00:01:10   hundredth birthday i was pretty sure and [TS]

00:01:11   i went to google to do a quick math [TS]

00:01:13   calculation and just to check myself i [TS]

00:01:15   put in two thousand 17-19 17 just [TS]

00:01:19   checking oh man haha and I thought I [TS]

00:01:22   almost hit enter I don't you know I you [TS]

00:01:25   could do that your head buddy and yeah [TS]

00:01:27   y'all runner and then Google would know [TS]

00:01:29   that about you forever Google would be [TS]

00:01:32   like hmm arithmetic people have his [TS]

00:01:38   question also slop the chickens shucky [TS]

00:01:46   darn and slop the chicken uh I'm trying [TS]

00:01:48   to present john who said that John say [TS]

00:01:50   that that's right oh yes he was an OD no [TS]

00:01:54   it was John cells or OD talk I've tried [TS]

00:01:57   to get my daughter into Garfield and it [TS]

00:01:59   hasn't quite taken my daughter loves it [TS]

00:02:02   oh man yet you got you keep it your [TS]

00:02:04   bathroom right does she have a car if I [TS]

00:02:05   do I got all the old Garfield she loves [TS]

00:02:08   it she doesn't understand a word of it [TS]

00:02:09   yeah but she just is just like read me [TS]

00:02:12   these Garfield's hmm nice and then she [TS]

00:02:14   learned to read and I was like read him [TS]

00:02:15   yourself yes I read all right yeah I [TS]

00:02:19   read him a lot oh good shucky darns slob [TS]

00:02:22   the chickens John goes back to visit the [TS]

00:02:25   farm all right right and he's talking to [TS]

00:02:30   this is weird brother remembered John's [TS]

00:02:34   weird brother tell I tell him I gotta go [TS]

00:02:36   look up balding guy with the with the [TS]

00:02:39   wearing overalls shucky darn and slump I [TS]

00:02:43   think and I think I did think it [TS]

00:02:45   actually might have been Garfield [TS]

00:02:46   leaning on a fence leaning on fence [TS]

00:02:50   they're talking about life on the farm [TS]

00:02:52   hi dad welcome home city boy hi mom and [TS]

00:02:55   mom brings out of turkey says eat eat [TS]

00:02:57   eat eat Garfield's thinking we'll shucky [TS]

00:02:59   darn and slap the chickens I think I'm [TS]

00:03:00   gonna like it here uh that's an old one [TS]

00:03:04   Johnny don't soldier field do you have a [TS]

00:03:07   date on that let me see if I can zoom in [TS]

00:03:09   I can't let me see it looks like it's [TS]

00:03:12   probably exit 1980 I can't tell you know [TS]

00:03:18   remember when everyone he was more kind [TS]

00:03:20   of bulbous it before Jim Davis had [TS]

00:03:22   streamlined Garfield it's not [TS]

00:03:24   streamlined mm-hmm he's a he that's what [TS]

00:03:28   bad that's when back back when Garfield [TS]

00:03:30   was a prince sonality alright huh mr. [TS]

00:03:36   principalities Prince uh oh I don't know [TS]

00:03:39   you lost me on that one I don't know [TS]

00:03:41   your mom is so your mama's so fat she's [TS]

00:03:44   a principalities oh she sits around the [TS]

00:03:48   house I right right right I do goodness [TS]

00:03:51   that sounds like a terrible terrible way [TS]

00:03:53   problem that must be really debilitating [TS]

00:03:54   I just thought of that today I was [TS]

00:03:57   coming down the stairs and I was like [TS]

00:03:58   that guy's a principality uh-huh and [TS]

00:04:03   then immediately I found a way to work [TS]

00:04:05   it in he sure did I think we've reached [TS]

00:04:07   peak dad Jack so beyond the Omaha Street [TS]

00:04:11   talk that's something fifty percent of [TS]

00:04:14   the dad jokes that can be mined all the [TS]

00:04:16   easy stuff we've already gotten from now [TS]

00:04:18   on it's gonna be dead just all the way [TS]

00:04:19   down I feel that is some real play in [TS]

00:04:22   the Dozen stuff that's I'm like street [TS]

00:04:24   corner doo-wop oh but uh for the longest [TS]

00:04:29   time at the same image I have the same [TS]

00:04:33   image when I said three gonna do on [TS]

00:04:35   everything we hear that song in my head [TS]

00:04:38   I imagine this multiplicity I don't [TS]

00:04:40   remember the original video for longest [TS]

00:04:42   time but in my head it's some like early [TS]

00:04:45   CGI of Billy g5 Billy Joel's in [TS]

00:04:48   blackface that's not like no no they're [TS]

00:04:54   all wearing papa doors and oh and I mean [TS]

00:04:56   called sensen yeah yeah yeah that's it [TS]

00:04:59   that's the Italian street culture [TS]

00:05:01   Italian Street do up oh yeah like you [TS]

00:05:03   get your frankie valli type situation [TS]

00:05:05   right valleys yeah exactly yeah your [TS]

00:05:08   Frankie's your Frankie's Valley [TS]

00:05:10   attorneys general I what was I gonna say [TS]

00:05:14   the person on the other person that's [TS]

00:05:17   ever cuz i've been saying it's like [TS]

00:05:19   shucky darns lab chicken since 1980 okay [TS]

00:05:21   that comic cracked with that particular [TS]

00:05:24   comic cracked me up so hard this video [TS]

00:05:28   is very compressed if you go I just 70 [TS]

00:05:30   in the skype if you go and look at it it [TS]

00:05:32   is very very compressed humor they he [TS]

00:05:35   jams a lot of funny into three panels he [TS]

00:05:38   does here comes mom she's already got a [TS]

00:05:40   turkey in her hand yep enjoy feel dizzy [TS]

00:05:43   sided that's all moms do right yeah and [TS]

00:05:46   and then so shucky darn and slop the [TS]

00:05:48   chickens right and I got it I got all [TS]

00:05:50   the levels of humor of it and I just let [TS]

00:05:53   I I rolled on the floor tears streaming [TS]

00:05:56   down my face shucky darn and slop the [TS]

00:05:58   chickens I'm gonna like it here and so [TS]

00:06:02   it immediately entered into my uh my [TS]

00:06:05   lexicon I never stopped saying it I've [TS]

00:06:09   said it for him what now is 40 years and [TS]

00:06:13   there's only one other time that I said [TS]

00:06:16   shucky darns off the chickens and [TS]

00:06:17   somebody went whoa is that Garfield and [TS]

00:06:20   I married her I think Shawn Nelson and I [TS]

00:06:23   dawn Nelson yeah there it is so you and [TS]

00:06:26   he I mean there's a reason that we're [TS]

00:06:27   all together right now we deserve each [TS]

00:06:29   other no we're not but oh my god tricky [TS]

00:06:32   dark yep now the secret's out now we've [TS]

00:06:36   given it we've given it to everybody go [TS]

00:06:38   and spread this is gonna go viral as [TS]

00:06:40   they say John there it is i was i was [TS]

00:06:42   online last night and i don't know why [TS]

00:06:44   yeah as does he do and i was looking at [TS]

00:06:47   vintage one piece ski suits [TS]

00:06:52   and this makes it's like a zip up [TS]

00:06:55   jumpsuit yeah that's right that sounds [TS]

00:06:58   like a like a Wes Anderson kind of [TS]

00:06:59   outfit uh well so surprisingly or maybe [TS]

00:07:03   not surprisingly I considered that era [TS]

00:07:05   of ski wear to be the most hideous right [TS]

00:07:07   but but of course since since the [TS]

00:07:11   millenniums are all about normcore and [TS]

00:07:13   dad core and plain core and and core [TS]

00:07:18   core definitely that was a dad joke that [TS]

00:07:21   was that wasn't even deep the worst era [TS]

00:07:25   of ski wear is now like very fashionable [TS]

00:07:28   among certain certain segments of the [TS]

00:07:31   population and so all these terrible [TS]

00:07:34   neon pink purple ski suits are all like [TS]

00:07:39   fetching top dollar fetching tough cop [TS]

00:07:42   and I'm just picturing all these all [TS]

00:07:44   these young people who are wearing these [TS]

00:07:47   like multicolored ski suits in kind of [TS]

00:07:49   like we know we saw it we saw blade [TS]

00:07:52   runner and we were like oh my god it's [TS]

00:07:54   how the future is going to be like wow [TS]

00:07:56   it's so intense but what we didn't [TS]

00:07:59   anticipate is that it wasn't going to be [TS]

00:08:01   just dirty and decaying it was also [TS]

00:08:04   going to be dirty decaying and totally [TS]

00:08:06   Gotti like it's gonna have gold spray [TS]

00:08:10   paint on it and people are gonna be [TS]

00:08:11   wearing neon ski suits that's the thing [TS]

00:08:14   that we didn't predict there's I'm [TS]

00:08:17   looking here at Frankie a calm I'm [TS]

00:08:19   remembering a moment from The Simpsons [TS]

00:08:21   it's from the star-studded Lollapalooza [TS]

00:08:24   episode where homer becomes the guy who [TS]

00:08:27   gets shot in the stomach by a cannon at [TS]

00:08:29   Lollapalooza and becomes kind of a [TS]

00:08:31   hipster sensation and as a shot of these [TS]

00:08:33   two guys in the audience one guys [TS]

00:08:35   shirtless wearing some kind of like [TS]

00:08:36   hippie necklace with a nose ring and as [TS]

00:08:40   glad as a baseball cap on sideways the [TS]

00:08:42   other guys hair shaved on the sides one [TS]

00:08:44   get one gets that oh who comes that [TS]

00:08:47   cannonball guy he's cool the other kid [TS]

00:08:50   goes are you being sarcastic dude and he [TS]

00:08:53   said I can't even tell anymore [TS]

00:08:57   there it is that's it eh I got an ironic [TS]

00:09:01   hat yay oh what a blight what a blight [TS]

00:09:05   and see this is the problem this is why [TS]

00:09:06   we have so much to learn from The [TS]

00:09:07   Simpsons I don't think people can even [TS]

00:09:09   tell if they're being ironic anymore no [TS]

00:09:11   they don't know they don't know we don't [TS]

00:09:12   know we don't know is he a great man [TS]

00:09:14   busy Christian can you get land on a [TS]

00:09:16   fraction yeah but raining the wedding [TS]

00:09:19   day I'm not I'm a small man yeah the [TS]

00:09:25   thing is he's in a cage she can't get [TS]

00:09:27   away right isn't that that situation [TS]

00:09:29   dennis hopper's explaining the great [TS]

00:09:31   man's of him and you see like a tiger [TS]

00:09:33   cage yeah he's in it well yeah he's in a [TS]

00:09:35   tiger cage not Dennis Hopper Dennis [TS]

00:09:37   Hopper man he's outside he's the [TS]

00:09:38   photographer he's got all the cameras [TS]

00:09:40   yes yeah yeah that's right he's got he's [TS]

00:09:43   got all the cameras and he's got his he [TS]

00:09:48   drank the kool-aid mmm you know what I [TS]

00:09:50   mean that's right what I mean I know she [TS]

00:09:52   drank them yeah he dropped like he drank [TS]

00:09:54   the kool-aid and that's where that comes [TS]

00:09:57   from Colonel Kurtz is a charismatic [TS]

00:09:59   leader now here's the thing you learn [TS]

00:10:01   from Dungeons and Dragons this is why I [TS]

00:10:03   think all my kids should be taught [TS]

00:10:04   Dungeons and Dragons you learn about the [TS]

00:10:06   idea of you get these qualities right [TS]

00:10:08   you got you got strength you got wisdom [TS]

00:10:11   the wisdom is differentiated from [TS]

00:10:14   intelligence right and right and that's [TS]

00:10:18   differentiated from charisma now [TS]

00:10:19   charisma it can mean like you need to be [TS]

00:10:22   charisma ish enough if you're going to [TS]

00:10:23   be like a monk you got to be a little [TS]

00:10:24   handsome right charisma is ultimately [TS]

00:10:27   not about how good-looking you are [TS]

00:10:29   although that factors into it it has [TS]

00:10:32   more to do with how likely people are to [TS]

00:10:34   follow your lead and trust you because [TS]

00:10:37   reasons i think colonel kurtz i'd like [TS]

00:10:40   to see what his character his player [TS]

00:10:42   character sheet looks like i can i I [TS]

00:10:44   roll occurrence here lady no you know [TS]

00:10:48   what I he'd be a fighter magic user oh [TS]

00:10:51   let's see I think it's I think he's like [TS]

00:10:56   a think you would be like a paladin mage [TS]

00:10:59   like an anti paladin and yeah right and [TS]

00:11:03   that would be a paladin and I'm trying [TS]

00:11:05   to member cuz you get you cuz paladin's [TS]

00:11:07   a ball or roll because you're definitely [TS]

00:11:08   a fighter [TS]

00:11:10   you gotta be if memory serves you have [TS]

00:11:11   to be lawful good don't you look hard [TS]

00:11:14   enough oh yeah and anti paladin I think [TS]

00:11:16   has to be chaotic evil yeah you gotta be [TS]

00:11:19   lawful good oh I think you what is it [TS]

00:11:22   let's see no no meat on Fridays so thing [TS]

00:11:25   about a mage though is that it can be [TS]

00:11:28   you're not necessarily magic you can [TS]

00:11:30   just be sage well and again now in the [TS]

00:11:32   club i'ma say this is back back an old [TS]

00:11:34   school now I have not kept up with the [TS]

00:11:35   the trades on this but if memory serves [TS]

00:11:37   you have a distinction between and we've [TS]

00:11:40   talked about this distinction between a [TS]

00:11:42   magic user and an illusionist those are [TS]

00:11:46   different character classes and I don't [TS]

00:11:48   remember what the difference is although [TS]

00:11:50   I bet it's a little bit like Penn & [TS]

00:11:53   Teller vs David Copperfield hmm well [TS]

00:11:56   some magic user is actually using real [TS]

00:11:59   magic whereas a illusionist is just [TS]

00:12:01   making you think well there it is that's [TS]

00:12:03   that's all you need to know I there's so [TS]

00:12:06   much to go on oh my god did you know so [TS]

00:12:09   Dennis hoppers rant in I was thinking [TS]

00:12:12   about this the other day yeah Dennis [TS]

00:12:14   hoppers runnin Apocalypse Now may you [TS]

00:12:15   know it's another one of our great film [TS]

00:12:17   roles a great film quotes you thinking [TS]

00:12:20   yourself wow this guy's really good he's [TS]

00:12:21   really inhabiting this character he's [TS]

00:12:22   quite a quite an act here and then you [TS]

00:12:25   learn more yeah basically when they [TS]

00:12:29   weren't shooting it was Dennis Hopper [TS]

00:12:30   they had to be kept in a tiger change [TS]

00:12:32   well yes and so so but there's there's a [TS]

00:12:35   kid there's a key thing about that quad [TS]

00:12:37   cuz I looked this quote up the other day [TS]

00:12:38   uh you know the his long rant there yeah [TS]

00:12:41   and a lot of it is just what you a lot [TS]

00:12:44   of it is just what you remember right [TS]

00:12:45   like hey man you don't talk to the [TS]

00:12:47   colonel you listen to a man that type of [TS]

00:12:49   thing Yeah right you know I'm trying to [TS]

00:12:51   look enough right now there's a great [TS]

00:12:53   there's a great one right there in the [TS]

00:12:54   middle where he says uh you know you'll [TS]

00:12:57   say the whole I've got it now you you'll [TS]

00:12:59   say hello to him and he'll just walk [TS]

00:13:01   right by you he won't even notice you [TS]

00:13:03   and then suddenly he'll grab you and [TS]

00:13:05   he'll throw you in a corner and you'll [TS]

00:13:06   say do you know that if is the middle [TS]

00:13:09   word in life right if you can keep your [TS]

00:13:12   head about you and I when all around you [TS]

00:13:14   they're losing yours you know like the [TS]

00:13:15   blah blah blah but then right at the end [TS]

00:13:17   uh-huh right after I'm a little man I'm [TS]

00:13:20   a little man he's he's a great man [TS]

00:13:22   I should have been a pair of ragged [TS]

00:13:25   claws scuttling across floors of silent [TS]

00:13:28   seas that's Prufrock that's the last [TS]

00:13:31   thing he says as he as as he's accessing [TS]

00:13:35   information in his head he pulls out [TS]

00:13:37   some Prufrock yes no I think yeah that's [TS]

00:13:39   what that is right i had never i had [TS]

00:13:42   never heard it before you know what I [TS]

00:13:45   mean like I in the air I just never [TS]

00:13:47   heard of just like I know that quote I [TS]

00:13:49   know that hole yeah well but like Denver [TS]

00:13:52   never heard that the like random TS [TS]

00:13:54   Eliot like clapping out of his slices so [TS]

00:13:58   going bananas yeah so one through nine [TS]

00:14:00   no maybes no suppose is no fractions [TS]

00:14:02   can't travel in space yeah go out into [TS]

00:14:03   space you know without like you know [TS]

00:14:05   with fractions would eagle and on won't [TS]

00:14:07   go on quarter 38 so what are you gonna [TS]

00:14:09   do when you get from here to Venus or [TS]

00:14:11   something that's that's dialectic [TS]

00:14:12   physics okay so help me out did he how [TS]

00:14:16   much of that was written and how much of [TS]

00:14:19   that did he just come up lord knows lord [TS]

00:14:23   knows I mean he's absolutely not in [TS]

00:14:24   character as we learn he's absolutely [TS]

00:14:26   isn't he like if ready he was pretty [TS]

00:14:29   like I thought that was very much into [TS]

00:14:30   his acid casualty phase right yeah and I [TS]

00:14:34   uh I feel like somebody somebody along [TS]

00:14:39   the line uh actually took him to Vietnam [TS]

00:14:43   told him the war was still happening you [TS]

00:14:46   know like give him some cameras and told [TS]

00:14:47   him he was a photojournalist like that's [TS]

00:14:50   how he that's how he prepared for that [TS]

00:14:51   role he thought it was he thought it he [TS]

00:14:55   thought it was all happening he also it [TS]

00:14:57   says here I might be get my quotes wrong [TS]

00:14:58   says here when he's babbling about the [TS]

00:15:00   religious fervor of kurt's he babbles [TS]

00:15:02   out portions of the poem if by rudyard [TS]

00:15:04   kipling hmm alright i might be getting [TS]

00:15:07   this wrong is that the if is the middle [TS]

00:15:08   word in life I didn't realize there's [TS]

00:15:11   layers to this John we gotta return to [TS]

00:15:12   this movie oh here we go the poem quoted [TS]

00:15:14   did it a lot about a pair of ragged [TS]

00:15:16   claws lovesong of j alfred Prufrock [TS]

00:15:18   somebody needs to get into this IMDb and [TS]

00:15:20   vet these things we need extreme vetting [TS]

00:15:23   of these gangs because i'm i'm on a very [TS]

00:15:25   popular American podcast and I do not [TS]

00:15:28   want to be spreading misinformation no [TS]

00:15:30   no no and I I am DB whoo boy I don't [TS]

00:15:33   want to go [TS]

00:15:34   that I don't want to go down that worm [TS]

00:15:35   oh my goodness substance I don't want to [TS]

00:15:37   forget her no such gotta break was [TS]

00:15:40   rampant across the casting couch Dennis [TS]

00:15:42   Hopper got teenaged Laurence Fishburne [TS]

00:15:44   addicted to heroin jiminy Christmas [TS]

00:15:48   somebody needs on we need extreme [TS]

00:15:49   vetting on this page I'm going to call [TS]

00:15:51   upon Roderick nation I want all you [TS]

00:15:53   people to go out there I want you to vet [TS]

00:15:54   these quotes yeah find find me some [TS]

00:15:57   detailed evidence that Laurence [TS]

00:15:59   Fishburne got addicted to heroin at the [TS]

00:16:01   hand of Dennis Hopper during the filming [TS]

00:16:03   of Apocalypse nests so this is coming [TS]

00:16:04   back to me now now I'm remembering some [TS]

00:16:07   of the things i think i remember or [TS]

00:16:09   learned definitely comes from his wife's [TS]

00:16:14   documentary your talk about your talk [TS]

00:16:18   about apocalypse the other the other [TS]

00:16:20   movie i think it's called a medical [TS]

00:16:22   heart of darkness the one where the [TS]

00:16:25   documentary of the making where you see [TS]

00:16:26   everybody just losing their all the shit [TS]

00:16:28   that goes wrong and basically everybody [TS]

00:16:30   including coppola like losing their mind [TS]

00:16:32   while making that movie but that feels [TS]

00:16:34   like a hotel room cooked drunk i am the [TS]

00:16:37   unrest parently real and also like they [TS]

00:16:40   had rented all very well known but you [TS]

00:16:43   know they had these incredibly [TS]

00:16:44   complicated blocked scenes where there's [TS]

00:16:47   gonna be all these explosions and they [TS]

00:16:48   basically rented helicopters from i want [TS]

00:16:52   to say the philippine army it was the [TS]

00:16:54   tie-dye all right who like came in with [TS]

00:16:58   their own dudes and like just like they [TS]

00:17:00   had to go i don't get a donut or [TS]

00:17:01   something they just took off in the [TS]

00:17:02   middle of shooting and they know i think [TS]

00:17:04   there was some kind of like rebel [TS]

00:17:06   incursion in northern Thailand and they [TS]

00:17:08   were like oh gotta go fight a war for a [TS]

00:17:10   second man a that's still in Saigon no [TS]

00:17:13   see now now I listen the other night [TS]

00:17:15   much to my wife's frustration I think I [TS]

00:17:18   talked to the lady in the tube the first [TS]

00:17:20   thing I said was play goodnight Saigon [TS]

00:17:23   mmm by billy joel alexa don't do that [TS]

00:17:27   please don't do you stop that i'm gonna [TS]

00:17:31   you know I don't like editing things and [TS]

00:17:33   then the other one was asking to play [TS]

00:17:35   out of the song allentown I'm here to [TS]

00:17:36   tell you I think those are both really [TS]

00:17:38   good songs Allen sounds amazing [TS]

00:17:40   allentown's the first of all the [TS]

00:17:42   greatest Billy Joel song it's and it's [TS]

00:17:44   so Teufel its and everything about the [TS]

00:17:46   production is great [TS]

00:17:48   it's like it's his it's his pink it's [TS]

00:17:50   truly his picture but nothing else is [TS]

00:17:53   any good well includes a goodnight [TS]

00:17:57   Saigon in that yeah yeah no it's a [TS]

00:18:01   lovely cute it's at this treacle that's [TS]

00:18:04   his like what does he have to write [TS]

00:18:05   about Saigon he's got nothing what is [TS]

00:18:08   the term what is that there's a greek [TS]

00:18:10   term for this maybe it's sucking but [TS]

00:18:12   there's this there's a term for this is [TS]

00:18:14   it it's not into this isn't into the [TS]

00:18:17   cyst but it is this term in in Greek [TS]

00:18:19   rhetoric for like the this thing I did [TS]

00:18:22   it did that thing I'm gonna call it into [TS]

00:18:23   thesis antithesis so but there's that [TS]

00:18:26   there's so much of this oh god we came [TS]

00:18:29   as fast act like tameless horses we left [TS]

00:18:30   in plastic as numbered course that the [TS]

00:18:32   corpses little on the nose but he does [TS]

00:18:35   this remember Charlie remember Baker [TS]

00:18:37   they left their childhood on every ache [TS]

00:18:38   you know this is a little on the nose [TS]

00:18:40   it's a little sorry yeah pretty [TS]

00:18:42   definitely deeply on the nose we held [TS]

00:18:45   the coastline they held the Highlands [TS]

00:18:48   and they were sharp no no it's terrible [TS]

00:18:53   it's literally terrible what do you do [TS]

00:18:56   you like do you like that though they [TS]

00:18:58   rule the night night night it's like go [TS]

00:19:03   on it it's like the when you're in the [TS]

00:19:05   studio for the first time in your and [TS]

00:19:07   you realize that a pan knob can make the [TS]

00:19:08   sound go from left to right let me get [TS]

00:19:11   out of every tune look at me I'm axis [TS]

00:19:13   bold as love Wow and you just imagine [TS]

00:19:17   rows of guys and like wearing wearing [TS]

00:19:20   their hats with pins on them with the [TS]

00:19:21   prosthetic parts coming really they [TS]

00:19:24   counted the rotors and waited for us to [TS]

00:19:26   arrive together so really okay so no [TS]

00:19:31   goodnight Saigon for you allentown is [TS]

00:19:33   the one that you will allow all in [TS]

00:19:35   allentown is a tremendous sir it's [TS]

00:19:37   tremendous song he gets he has all that [TS]

00:19:39   he gets to do all that like super [TS]

00:19:41   literal like nail on the head and he [TS]

00:19:45   left he gets to lay out his whole like [TS]

00:19:48   America used to be great right now you [TS]

00:19:51   know we've got it like he's doing his [TS]

00:19:53   whole like Chevy add thing that [TS]

00:19:55   everybody was doing [TS]

00:19:56   you know my reef with my beef with [TS]

00:19:58   allentown and I feel like this could [TS]

00:20:00   have been fixed pretty easily I know [TS]

00:20:02   I've told you this before but the line [TS]

00:20:04   it still just takes me totally out of [TS]

00:20:06   the song because I'm I'm a dick so the [TS]

00:20:08   graduations hang on the wall no that's [TS]

00:20:12   not a graduation that's a diploma Dubrow [TS]

00:20:14   graduation that would be a bunch of 17 [TS]

00:20:16   and 18 year old kids well I but I'll [TS]

00:20:20   even let him I'll work it out of hands [TS]

00:20:21   you know what because it maybe it's [TS]

00:20:23   dialect they never was a dialectic figs [TS]

00:20:25   they never taught us what was real iron [TS]

00:20:27   and coal and chromium steel and we're [TS]

00:20:29   waiting here in Allentown yeah maybe up [TS]

00:20:31   there in the mountains of Pennsylvania [TS]

00:20:32   it's like it's like in The Sopranos they [TS]

00:20:35   call spaghetti sauce gravy oh sure [TS]

00:20:37   you're up there they call him graduation [TS]

00:20:39   speaking of gravy because none of them [TS]

00:20:41   have it right there like hey this guy's [TS]

00:20:43   even got graduations on the wall I got [TS]

00:20:46   needled by a pal of mine yesterday who [TS]

00:20:49   is going to be on the cruise and he [TS]

00:20:51   needled me about how much gravy he's [TS]

00:20:53   gonna have at the jammer is this is he [TS]

00:20:55   is he is this some kind of Laurence [TS]

00:20:57   Fishburne is he getting you addicted to [TS]

00:20:59   heroin is out to me energy yeah she's in [TS]

00:21:01   the dragon I just get enough white gravy [TS]

00:21:03   fucking max Temkin lorna house always [TS]

00:21:05   like all Yelp Google hangout with John [TS]

00:21:06   Roderick a neat gravy I was like I hate [TS]

00:21:07   you so much here's max Temkin for you in [TS]

00:21:09   a nutshell yeah let their here I'll do [TS]

00:21:11   my max Temkin impression ok all right I [TS]

00:21:13   hate cruises I'm never going on another [TS]

00:21:15   cruise I hate cruises I'm max cuz I like [TS]

00:21:18   to look at my phone I don't even know I [TS]

00:21:20   don't even want to go on the cruise I [TS]

00:21:22   said he's not taking the pledge she's [TS]

00:21:23   not taking the pledge well you know [TS]

00:21:25   nobody takes the plan maybe we can take [TS]

00:21:27   the pledge you know it's like anyone can [TS]

00:21:30   take a reservation but you have to hold [TS]

00:21:33   the reservation that's really the [TS]

00:21:34   important part the thing about the [TS]

00:21:36   pledge yeah is that I'm sure that all [TS]

00:21:40   the all the joco tech dorks have been uh [TS]

00:21:43   been working their ass off for a year to [TS]

00:21:46   get really really good internet which [TS]

00:21:49   has always been a problem on the cruise [TS]

00:21:50   because the cruise ship is like we don't [TS]

00:21:53   need to get in and add everybody else on [TS]

00:21:55   here is just going on they're checking [TS]

00:21:56   their key no numbers Yeah right but no [TS]

00:22:00   you don't need to record max is gonna [TS]

00:22:02   try and record an episode of our show [TS]

00:22:04   from the show ok ok ok baby you know [TS]

00:22:08   that's an experiment [TS]

00:22:09   ah yeah i agree but they were acquired [TS]

00:22:13   you get the you know the pauls and [TS]

00:22:15   storms is is and they put a lot of work [TS]

00:22:17   into that so that you can you can check [TS]

00:22:18   aquino numbers yeah they do but you're [TS]

00:22:20   you know we're going to be out in BB ye [TS]

00:22:22   so uh there's no like there's not gonna [TS]

00:22:26   be a unit you know what I'm saying no uh [TS]

00:22:29   so the other day the other day speaking [TS]

00:22:32   of this Billy Joel problem of the nose [TS]

00:22:34   of the nose awning yeah i was listening [TS]

00:22:37   i decided wait a minute what about the [TS]

00:22:39   fix i haven't listened to the fix in a [TS]

00:22:40   while oh I'm super interested to hear [TS]

00:22:43   your thought on this and I went and I [TS]

00:22:45   listened to the the incredible song one [TS]

00:22:48   thing leads to another that yet I mean [TS]

00:22:50   that's how do you ever top that just uh [TS]

00:22:52   just an awesome work all the way around [TS]

00:22:55   even the music video which is bad is [TS]

00:22:57   good every sec run around in a hallway [TS]

00:22:59   yeah he's in like a tube yeah and he's [TS]

00:23:01   he's got his you know it's kind of suit [TS]

00:23:03   is like falling off of him and it's just [TS]

00:23:05   like water and the guitar part is crazy [TS]

00:23:07   second then psych Curtis name is that [TS]

00:23:10   that sigh sigh that I remember that [TS]

00:23:12   nuttin slapping the chickens that i can [TS]

00:23:14   remember iris side of the seams line so [TS]

00:23:16   then I go down the list right and I say [TS]

00:23:18   x 0 I thought saved by zero was great uh [TS]

00:23:20   red skies at night was not as good as I [TS]

00:23:24   remember it that one's a little pleased [TS]

00:23:26   with its Billy Joel stop production if [TS]

00:23:29   memory serves red skies at night red [TS]

00:23:30   skies at night red skies at night too [TS]

00:23:33   much production you can just hear it [TS]

00:23:34   from the beginning but i'm already hear [TS]

00:23:36   you say it i'm tired be the only one who [TS]

00:23:38   says that i'm glad to hear you say that [TS]

00:23:39   but then here comes stand or fall and I [TS]

00:23:43   was like you know I've always wondered [TS]

00:23:44   about this song stand or fall education [TS]

00:23:47   tonight steger beast tonight put your [TS]

00:23:49   beast a beast it's the euro nature peace [TS]

00:23:53   tonight who's getting these things we [TS]

00:23:55   need extreme peace with like like a [TS]

00:23:57   peace symbol peace okay right yeah so [TS]

00:24:00   then I go on and I read the lyrics of [TS]

00:24:01   stand or fall and it is Billy Joel level [TS]

00:24:04   not very good uh like a Berlin Wall era [TS]

00:24:10   Cold War [TS]

00:24:11   we're all going to die in the apocalypse [TS]

00:24:13   crying parents tell their children if [TS]

00:24:15   you survive don't do as we did a son [TS]

00:24:17   exclaims there'll be nothing to do her [TS]

00:24:19   daughter says she'll be dead with you [TS]

00:24:20   yeah foreign affairs are screwing us [TS]

00:24:23   rotten oh why morale has hit rock bottom [TS]

00:24:26   hmm Diane burst and forgotten talks of [TS]

00:24:29   peace being trodden I mean so bad it's [TS]

00:24:33   like it's like it's like sting sting [TS]

00:24:37   sting sting get off a subway and some [TS]

00:24:40   papers fell out of his briefcase and [TS]

00:24:43   Silas like I was walking along he's like [TS]

00:24:45   what's good oh shit are these for anyone [TS]

00:24:48   if they hit someone since thing was like [TS]

00:24:50   oh man I was working on something [TS]

00:24:52   amazing Umi rhyming dictionary yeah oh [TS]

00:24:55   you know sting you does used I remember [TS]

00:24:57   the first interviews I ever read was [TS]

00:24:59   sting they remarked on the fact that he [TS]

00:25:00   had a copy of Lolita and a rhyming [TS]

00:25:02   dictionary at hand all the time really [TS]

00:25:04   yeah yeah that for synchronicity i we [TS]

00:25:08   you know what we can't get into it tema [TS]

00:25:10   can't get into the synchronicity I'll [TS]

00:25:11   because I think we have very different [TS]

00:25:12   opinions on that what I think's trash [TS]

00:25:17   you do not like the synchronicity album [TS]

00:25:21   no no I think it is I think its [TS]

00:25:24   ambitious but very dated and not their [TS]

00:25:29   best material by a long shot I'm a I'm a [TS]

00:25:33   you know I like the big three I like the [TS]

00:25:35   big three in the middle we don't often [TS]

00:25:37   end up just as you're saying this I'm [TS]

00:25:40   just realizing we do not often have a [TS]

00:25:42   situation where you are saying a record [TS]

00:25:46   is garbage and I am defending oh it's [TS]

00:25:49   you tonight the other way around okay [TS]

00:25:51   let me let me temper this a little bit I [TS]

00:25:53   have not sat down and listened to all of [TS]

00:25:55   synchronicity in a few years I did [TS]

00:25:57   listen to it a few years ago my feeling [TS]

00:25:59   at that time was this is better than I [TS]

00:26:01   remember but it is pretty pale in [TS]

00:26:04   comparison to what they were doing with [TS]

00:26:06   something like every little thing she [TS]

00:26:08   does is magic but you you didn't like it [TS]

00:26:13   at the time is that right I liked [TS]

00:26:15   synchronicity too is that the one that [TS]

00:26:18   really upbeat one synchronicity to is [TS]

00:26:20   the scary one whether they were the [TS]

00:26:22   monster it's about Loch Ness mom [TS]

00:26:24   oh then maybe it's it's the one breath [TS]

00:26:26   on yeah well no synchronicity I like [TS]

00:26:29   that one I think I just you know what it [TS]

00:26:31   is a tie bar it's a high bar situation [TS]

00:26:33   it's like you know is magical mystery [TS]

00:26:35   tour a bad album it is not a bad album [TS]

00:26:37   but for any variety of reasons it's it's [TS]

00:26:41   it was from a bad time for them they [TS]

00:26:44   were I think that was when that was the [TS]

00:26:46   most of the beginning of the end but [TS]

00:26:48   don't you think I mean like magical [TS]

00:26:50   mystery tour had some singles and some [TS]

00:26:51   other stuff it's got great stuff on it [TS]

00:26:53   but it doesn't it's not an it's not a [TS]

00:26:55   great album if you took me to say [TS]

00:26:57   magical mystery tour is not a good out [TS]

00:26:58   well I think like yellow submarine which [TS]

00:27:00   is just a bald marketing move if you [TS]

00:27:03   take the singles off of it it's not a [TS]

00:27:05   good album no it's like it's just you [TS]

00:27:07   know George Martin jacking off on a [TS]

00:27:09   fiddle mmm I'd listen to that I you know [TS]

00:27:14   but but but I'm just I'm I'm just very [TS]

00:27:16   it's very unusual visual I'm usually the [TS]

00:27:19   positive one yeah to be in a position [TS]

00:27:21   where I'm like this Sal bhum which is [TS]

00:27:24   basically all singles and I have to be [TS]

00:27:27   honest when I say synchronicity is a [TS]

00:27:29   great album I have never listened to [TS]

00:27:30   synchronicity yeah but did you see the [TS]

00:27:34   quote from I'm sorry to interrupt you [TS]

00:27:36   but there was a great quote on somebody [TS]

00:27:39   was quoting something there's a woman [TS]

00:27:40   interviewed on NPR a woman interviewed [TS]

00:27:43   on NPR said she loved Trump's speech [TS]

00:27:45   because it reminded her of the movie [TS]

00:27:47   lala land which she had not seen and the [TS]

00:27:50   robot friend 11 retweeting it wasn't [TS]

00:27:52   rich Deacon there was you know I I never [TS]

00:27:57   have any compunction about commenting on [TS]

00:28:00   everything that I haven't seen or read [TS]

00:28:01   but synchronicities got like five [TS]

00:28:03   singles and a couple of them I really I [TS]

00:28:05   I liked in the time and I don't k songs [TS]

00:28:07   it's got good songs on it yeah but here [TS]

00:28:09   let this let me just quote the the top [TS]

00:28:11   line from the wikipedia page yeah entry [TS]

00:28:14   under the title songs synchronicity one [TS]

00:28:17   starts the album off with a sequencer [TS]

00:28:19   line that repeats throughout the song [TS]

00:28:20   its lyrics which is like okay good for [TS]

00:28:23   sentence it's lyrics include a term from [TS]

00:28:26   the second coming spiritus mundi [TS]

00:28:28   literally spirit of the world which [TS]

00:28:29   william butler yeats used to refer to [TS]

00:28:32   the collective unconscious [TS]

00:28:33   another of Jung's theories walking in [TS]

00:28:36   your footsteps features lyrics [TS]

00:28:37   containing about concerning the relation [TS]

00:28:39   between extinct dinosaurs and humans and [TS]

00:28:42   it's followed by the jazzy oh my god the [TS]

00:28:44   song recycles some lyrics from two [TS]

00:28:46   earlier police songs 3o clock shit which [TS]

00:28:49   was never recorded on an album but was [TS]

00:28:52   widely bootleg from live performances so [TS]

00:28:55   it's just like right away whoa nope nope [TS]

00:28:57   none of that nope I'm not having it oh [TS]

00:29:00   yeah sting is the only person that can [TS]

00:29:03   that that would like described in an [TS]

00:29:06   interview like how young is affecting [TS]

00:29:11   his songwriting right it can we can we [TS]

00:29:14   think of another songwriter in history [TS]

00:29:17   who would say both Yates and young like [TS]

00:29:23   in innocent within within one sentence [TS]

00:29:25   in describing their own work is there [TS]

00:29:28   someone else that I mean even bono um [TS]

00:29:31   campano telling that solemnly oh hello [TS]

00:29:35   look got a hat and gonna have to edit [TS]

00:29:37   that out no no it's not a criticism I [TS]

00:29:40   could very much see him name checking [TS]

00:29:42   your abs Yates yeah it keeps me on your [TS]

00:29:47   side but while it is on mine to dreaded [TS]

00:29:49   sunny day so I'll meet you at the [TS]

00:29:50   cemetery gates well just do it right in [TS]

00:29:54   a song you will miss the sun salutation [TS]

00:29:59   to the dawn there's a lot going on over [TS]

00:30:03   here at my house right now because [TS]

00:30:04   here's what happened yeah you've been [TS]

00:30:08   busy you've been moving around no it's [TS]

00:30:10   not me though yesterday a moving truck [TS]

00:30:12   showed up across the street oh they're [TS]

00:30:14   coming they've arrived no the moving [TS]

00:30:16   truck showed up no they were Gary at all [TS]

00:30:20   we're still over there in their full [TS]

00:30:21   flower moving truck pulled up pulled up [TS]

00:30:24   really close to the fence such that it [TS]

00:30:26   blocked the gate and then the moving [TS]

00:30:29   truck stayed there for two days and I'd [TS]

00:30:31   never seen that before right usually a [TS]

00:30:33   moving truck comes they loaded up the [TS]

00:30:35   drum the moving trucks are like a [TS]

00:30:36   printing press like they're only making [TS]

00:30:37   money when they're moving yeah but this [TS]

00:30:39   was just parked over there like how do [TS]

00:30:41   you get it's a full moving truck like [TS]

00:30:42   how do you get that just sits that [TS]

00:30:45   at one point I got in my truck one point [TS]

00:30:48   I it was time for me to leave and I [TS]

00:30:51   could hear Gary out in the street and I [TS]

00:30:55   was like I don't want to go out there as [TS]

00:30:57   a moving truck Gary's in the street I [TS]

00:30:58   don't want to deal with it so I I [TS]

00:30:59   actually this hardly ever happens but I [TS]

00:31:01   went out my back door and snuck around [TS]

00:31:03   the perimeter and got in my truck [TS]

00:31:05   started it up and then as I was pulling [TS]

00:31:08   out and driving away i could see Gary in [TS]

00:31:10   my rearview mirror walking down this [TS]

00:31:13   kind of walking toward the truck kind of [TS]

00:31:15   like hey hello John's truck that's [TS]

00:31:19   moving or whatever I mean it was like he [TS]

00:31:21   was trying to maybe trying to [TS]

00:31:23   communicate with me maybe he was just [TS]

00:31:25   talking to my truck but then uh but then [TS]

00:31:30   yesterday I'm upstairs I here like some [TS]

00:31:35   banging I look out the window just in [TS]

00:31:38   time for the moving truck to like drive [TS]

00:31:40   away and the gate is wide open and the [TS]

00:31:45   like front door the house is wide open [TS]

00:31:47   and I'm standing there like what just [TS]

00:31:50   happened and then three cars pull up [TS]

00:31:54   like right in through the fence like the [TS]

00:31:56   end of road warrior well where you know [TS]

00:32:01   the like finally the humongous and his [TS]

00:32:05   gang have have access to them to the oil [TS]

00:32:08   refinery they're all I with you and it's [TS]

00:32:12   the Washington State Cougars [TS]

00:32:13   repossession League the house slippers [TS]

00:32:17   all right I they all pile out of their [TS]

00:32:19   cars and they're standing there looking [TS]

00:32:20   at the thing and I waited first blow was [TS]

00:32:22   it the name you've given them wife and [TS]

00:32:25   state cougars house flippers yeah uh [TS]

00:32:27   yeah i mean i don't i don't have a name [TS]

00:32:29   for them yet i'm sure they should get [TS]

00:32:31   satin jackets shirts before anyone or [TS]

00:32:33   something i don't know what what do [TS]

00:32:35   people go know people that go to [TS]

00:32:37   Washington State University are all [TS]

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00:35:16   so now I'm listening to them through the [TS]

00:35:20   wall and they're over there throwing [TS]

00:35:22   stuff in it I mean I'm hearing clanks [TS]

00:35:24   and bonks and thrown stuff in dumpsters [TS]

00:35:26   I don't know what's going on but it's [TS]

00:35:28   just a clarified folks who haven't [TS]

00:35:30   caught up are we talking about the [TS]

00:35:31   couple who bought the house and let the [TS]

00:35:34   lady continue to live there and [TS]

00:35:35   presumably Gary and and they were they [TS]

00:35:38   were kind of putting the arm on you to [TS]

00:35:39   provide intel on what was happening over [TS]

00:35:41   there well right and they weren't [TS]

00:35:43   letting her do it they were going and [TS]

00:35:45   throat you know they were pounding on [TS]

00:35:46   the door they were leaving notes in on [TS]

00:35:50   various colored paper they were what [TS]

00:35:53   like to say like hey you've gotta move [TS]

00:35:54   yeah not only that but like legal oh you [TS]

00:35:58   like put tight likes putting stickers on [TS]

00:36:00   the door kind of stuff yeah vacate these [TS]

00:36:01   premises I hate seeing that then you [TS]

00:36:04   know the first I told you the first day [TS]

00:36:07   they they came over was like Dave to two [TS]

00:36:10   days before Christmas something like [TS]

00:36:12   that oh god and you know I don't I got [TS]

00:36:14   nothing I got no particular dog in the [TS]

00:36:17   race but I'm sitting here today thinking [TS]

00:36:20   now wait a minute was that the was that [TS]

00:36:23   the last I'll ever see Gary it can't be [TS]

00:36:26   like looking in my rearview mirror with [TS]

00:36:29   Gary going like truck truck that's it [TS]

00:36:33   maybe he's like a dinosaur like we're [TS]

00:36:36   like as long as you stand still he can't [TS]

00:36:37   see you I think so well you know I [TS]

00:36:40   started the truck and it was the truck [TS]

00:36:41   takes a while to warm up and it has a [TS]

00:36:43   very distinctive exhaust note and so and [TS]

00:36:45   it's only at that point 20 feet from [TS]

00:36:47   Gary and it's like her rip [TS]

00:36:50   develop gary has no doesn't notice it [TS]

00:36:54   does not notice I've climbed in and [TS]

00:36:55   started my truck didn't pick up on any [TS]

00:36:57   of that because he was standing by the [TS]

00:36:59   moving van giving the movers some advice [TS]

00:37:01   really he's a really helpful guy he was [TS]

00:37:06   he was like I won't have it on moving [TS]

00:37:09   company ah and uh and so I just SAT [TS]

00:37:14   there warming up my truck and my truck [TS]

00:37:15   takes 12 minutes to warm up and so I was [TS]

00:37:17   just waiting for him to come over and [TS]

00:37:19   knock on the window and say rawr but he [TS]

00:37:24   didn't notice it right until it was in [TS]

00:37:26   motion he had he has specialized he has [TS]

00:37:28   special is is like his tongue could feel [TS]

00:37:30   the heat right okay and but is that the [TS]

00:37:34   last time in it is that is that are they [TS]

00:37:36   gone never really ready for these things [TS]

00:37:38   no I didn't I didn't I was I kept [TS]

00:37:40   waiting for them to come over and knock [TS]

00:37:42   on the door and either ask me for a [TS]

00:37:44   screwdriver or more likely say can we [TS]

00:37:48   store 50 boxes in your barn like one or [TS]

00:37:52   the other thing was going to happen but [TS]

00:37:54   no they're just gone and all of a sudden [TS]

00:37:56   I have these new neighbors so it's [TS]

00:37:59   really it's all done as far as i can [TS]

00:38:01   tell them there would never be a [TS]

00:38:02   situation where the two parties were in [TS]

00:38:05   the house at the same time right the [TS]

00:38:07   Washington State cougar house slippers [TS]

00:38:09   how slipping guild who are over there [TS]

00:38:12   now are you know you can see by their [TS]

00:38:15   body language that the former tenants [TS]

00:38:19   left some stuff mm-hmm that they that [TS]

00:38:23   the new owners don't want in the house [TS]

00:38:25   they're kind of walking around like buck [TS]

00:38:26   right this uh but but I don't know you [TS]

00:38:34   know am I gonna get a am I gonna get [TS]

00:38:36   call at some point to say like oh by the [TS]

00:38:38   way we moved out I mean you know what [TS]

00:38:40   there was at least one person in that [TS]

00:38:41   house that I liked a lot and yeah phone [TS]

00:38:43   number so anyway it's a lot it's a lot [TS]

00:38:46   going on and you know I'm leaving and so [TS]

00:38:50   you were just out of town are you I mean [TS]

00:38:53   so you're right yeah your house right [TS]

00:38:54   now no no no i'm at my i'm at my deluxe [TS]

00:38:58   office okay with you in in in [TS]

00:39:01   quadraphonic hydrants [TS]

00:39:03   you got hydroponics and you still you [TS]

00:39:05   still got your internet running which is [TS]

00:39:07   nice yeah it's nice to have internet my [TS]

00:39:08   step in and so but then your win is the [TS]

00:39:11   crew is pretty soon right isn't it like [TS]

00:39:12   coming up yeah the cruise is coming up [TS]

00:39:14   mm-hmm cruises crumb coming up and and [TS]

00:39:17   you know like like in all things that [TS]

00:39:20   you they wait for all year then when it [TS]

00:39:22   arrives you're like oh god we have to do [TS]

00:39:24   this oh yeah but you know but that's how [TS]

00:39:27   I feel about everything no god I [TS]

00:39:29   understand I I have become such a [TS]

00:39:33   creature of habit we're like I just to [TS]

00:39:35   disrupt the idea of like even doing fun [TS]

00:39:37   things is like nope hard pass thanks I'm [TS]

00:39:40   good yep yep hard pass gonna go watch [TS]

00:39:42   the OA again I'm just going to have [TS]

00:39:43   another night in I believe what is the [TS]

00:39:45   OS eoa is a netflix series by starring [TS]

00:39:52   brit marling is a very interesting [TS]

00:39:53   actress and producer who it's this [TS]

00:39:56   there's something mysterious that has [TS]

00:39:58   happened with this woman she gathered a [TS]

00:40:00   group of people together it's kind of a [TS]

00:40:01   it's a sci-fi ish thriller supernatural [TS]

00:40:04   thriller kind of supernatural what I [TS]

00:40:07   would say I'll tell you what Serkis have [TS]

00:40:08   told me go watch the first episode and [TS]

00:40:10   you're gonna get a pretty good feel for [TS]

00:40:11   it isn't that interesting how some shows [TS]

00:40:15   the advice is you have to watch a few [TS]

00:40:19   episodes absolutely and some of the [TS]

00:40:22   shows the advice is just go watch the [TS]

00:40:24   first episode and you'll and that will [TS]

00:40:26   explain it to you yeah I mean there's [TS]

00:40:28   sometimes where a night you know we can [TS]

00:40:30   all agree on cheese we can all agree or [TS]

00:40:33   disagree about these things but I think [TS]

00:40:34   there are definitely some kinds of media [TS]

00:40:36   properties where there's a good starting [TS]

00:40:38   place where you could say to somebody [TS]

00:40:39   okay and I do this a lot and I feel free [TS]

00:40:42   to disagree with me people but I'll [TS]

00:40:44   frequently say like okay before you get [TS]

00:40:45   real into this or get real invested or [TS]

00:40:47   buy lots of things go and watch this [TS]

00:40:49   episode it's not what I'll frequently [TS]

00:40:52   think or say it's not the best episode [TS]

00:40:54   it's not my favorite episode necessarily [TS]

00:40:57   but it's a really representative episode [TS]

00:41:00   it's a good representative episode so in [TS]

00:41:02   other words that's what I'm trying to [TS]

00:41:04   give people is the opportunity to say if [TS]

00:41:05   I hate this episode it's a really [TS]

00:41:07   adjustable TV or I hate this particular [TS]

00:41:10   comic that's a pretty good indication [TS]

00:41:11   you're not going to warm up to it [TS]

00:41:14   suddenly after watching 70 [TS]

00:41:16   hmm no no I'm saying well I know that [TS]

00:41:19   you do that you you're often saying like [TS]

00:41:21   this you know here's the song that that [TS]

00:41:23   you should this this song is the door to [TS]

00:41:25   this band this episode is the door to [TS]

00:41:28   this to the TV show yeah I of course [TS]

00:41:31   will always be somebody that was like [TS]

00:41:33   must start at the beginning that must [TS]

00:41:35   yeah that I'm credit unlike yet and I [TS]

00:41:38   appreciate why people are but like for [TS]

00:41:40   example like with the with band REM like [TS]

00:41:43   for example something like was a guy now [TS]

00:41:46   see I'm not gonna come up with a good [TS]

00:41:47   example like even though reckoning is my [TS]

00:41:49   favorite album I could not tell you that [TS]

00:41:51   that's the best place to start I I would [TS]

00:41:53   be very open to someone saying even [TS]

00:41:55   something like life's rich pageant that [TS]

00:41:56   might be a better place to start well if [TS]

00:41:58   you listen to the long winters a catalog [TS]

00:42:00   in the are in the order that we [TS]

00:42:02   presented them right the first song of [TS]

00:42:04   the first album we intentionally made it [TS]

00:42:07   totally not representative of the sound [TS]

00:42:09   we are glop it was a great pop songs no [TS]

00:42:14   I'm sorry give me a moment is how it [TS]

00:42:15   starts in my head always starts with car [TS]

00:42:17   parts but well right I think that's how [TS]

00:42:19   it that's probably a legit started [TS]

00:42:20   that's how a normal album that's I mean [TS]

00:42:23   it's how it feels it starts because the [TS]

00:42:26   first song is six-minute long like tape [TS]

00:42:29   loop click confusion party a few pianos [TS]

00:42:35   gotta stay down the stairs tape loop [TS]

00:42:38   confucian that's what it is yeah it's [TS]

00:42:41   gotta get reminds me in my head I [TS]

00:42:43   haven't listened to in a few months but [TS]

00:42:45   in my head it caused my Neil Young just [TS]

00:42:48   a little bit mmm-hmm not nothing that's [TS]

00:42:51   aping it but it's got that kind of leg [TS]

00:42:53   uh yeah Senate yeah but anyways I do [TS]

00:43:00   what your brother better I did not [TS]

00:43:02   intentionally do that but Neil eons you [TS]

00:43:05   know major influence on me and and and [TS]

00:43:07   that that kind of feeling that's the [TS]

00:43:10   feeling I was going ok good way to put [TS]

00:43:12   it but the but and I think I think when [TS]

00:43:15   you think about my influences as a as a [TS]

00:43:18   fan of music none of them are present in [TS]

00:43:21   my own recorded music but the feelings [TS]

00:43:24   are I hope right [TS]

00:43:25   that really that that it be provides a [TS]

00:43:27   lot of clarity yeah yeah so so yeah but [TS]

00:43:30   that you know that song was the one that [TS]

00:43:32   we literally cut the two-inch tape into [TS]

00:43:35   into pretty tiny pieces and threw them [TS]

00:43:37   up in the air and reassemble them wow [TS]

00:43:40   really I never told you how we made that [TS]

00:43:43   song that's very European if you if you [TS]

00:43:45   look if you listen to the first minute [TS]

00:43:47   of that tune Chris wall and I SAT with [TS]

00:43:51   the two-inch tape machine and we made a [TS]

00:43:53   shock my kick and snare as the tape went [TS]

00:44:00   over the head you know you go oh my gosh [TS]

00:44:05   and then find the little find the hit [TS]

00:44:07   that's an old world craftsmanship at [TS]

00:44:09   once this was back back before computers [TS]

00:44:11   my friends right that's right we'd make [TS]

00:44:13   the little chalk mark there and then we [TS]

00:44:15   took razor blade and cut the tape into [TS]

00:44:18   all these sections which was every [TS]

00:44:21   between every kick and snare section and [TS]

00:44:23   those sections of taper you know 2 feet [TS]

00:44:26   long probably because the tape is moving [TS]

00:44:28   so fast across the head but then we have [TS]

00:44:31   this whole pile this spaghetti pile of [TS]

00:44:34   tape that represented at all these drum [TS]

00:44:38   parts and and I had piano and everything [TS]

00:44:40   on it we threw them up in the air [TS]

00:44:42   arrange them completely chaotically and [TS]

00:44:45   then taped them all back together and [TS]

00:44:47   had no idea what it was going to sound [TS]

00:44:49   like until we we press play right you [TS]

00:44:52   put it all together it was like hope [TS]

00:44:53   this is cool and then it ran through and [TS]

00:44:56   it's that it's that all and dannan and [TS]

00:44:59   it can tank to do back you know it's [TS]

00:45:01   like that was I I kind of can't believe [TS]

00:45:04   it was that chaotic because it it's [TS]

00:45:06   really it really works yeah and it [TS]

00:45:09   doesn't work as like you know [TS]

00:45:10   stockhausen or something it doesn't work [TS]

00:45:13   as like craziness like it works as like [TS]

00:45:15   slightly menacing opening sort of like a [TS]

00:45:18   little bit like Berlin David Bowie kind [TS]

00:45:22   of feeling well of course it's chris [TS]

00:45:24   waller why did I even say that that was [TS]

00:45:25   a dumb thing to say well what's [TS]

00:45:26   interesting is that isn't he a giant fan [TS]

00:45:29   of that yeah do you know like this stuff [TS]

00:45:30   with the mics with the delay and so yeah [TS]

00:45:33   you put the mic in the toilet and get [TS]

00:45:35   this over here you put the rat in the [TS]

00:45:37   toy [TS]

00:45:37   I see which one survives a James Bond [TS]

00:45:42   reference you fill you fill the drum [TS]

00:45:46   with rats fill the drummer threads put [TS]

00:45:49   Mike's put the drum inside the mic try [TS]

00:45:51   that I thought you got oil I didn't know [TS]

00:45:54   in a snare no I die I would like no I [TS]

00:45:59   would like to see what Javier Bardem uh [TS]

00:46:01   would do producing your album I think [TS]

00:46:04   that would be a very interesting choice [TS]

00:46:04   for you I would like it I would like [TS]

00:46:08   Javier Bardem to do it but I would like [TS]

00:46:11   him to do it while he was learning a new [TS]

00:46:12   language right so I would like esta bien [TS]

00:46:16   I like this right i would like the i [TS]

00:46:18   would like to go to Iceland and have an [TS]

00:46:22   entire Icelandic studio where we find [TS]

00:46:25   the five people in Iceland who are [TS]

00:46:27   recording engineers but also don't speak [TS]

00:46:29   very good English okay it's gonna take [TS]

00:46:32   your needed some kind of like producers [TS]

00:46:34   some second units to probably work out a [TS]

00:46:36   lot of this yeah because there are only [TS]

00:46:38   three hundred thousand people in Iceland [TS]

00:46:39   and my sense is that two hundred and two [TS]

00:46:42   hundred and ninety-nine thousand of them [TS]

00:46:44   all speak English proceed gnomes that [TS]

00:46:46   they believe it I believe they didn't [TS]

00:46:48   believe in gnomes okay yes uh where that [TS]

00:46:51   gnomes they uh so we'll get them there [TS]

00:46:56   and then Javier Bardem will be there but [TS]

00:46:58   he'll be learning Icelandic oh this is [TS]

00:47:01   so good right so he'll be doing all of [TS]

00:47:03   the production workers he's not a [TS]

00:47:05   stretch there on tennis balls at r lee [TS]

00:47:07   ermey like let's really see what you can [TS]

00:47:08   do here that's right that's right that's [TS]

00:47:10   right let's put the drum inside the mic [TS]

00:47:12   let's not put them against trouble mind [TS]

00:47:15   blown he's gonna be sitting there just [TS]

00:47:18   like you know the google translate why [TS]

00:47:21   is there no icelandic in here ya going [TS]

00:47:23   uh okay prendo and I'm they're trying to [TS]

00:47:28   get my vision across yes yeah but you're [TS]

00:47:31   all performing and you're interacting on [TS]

00:47:34   a much more pure level on his real ID by [TS]

00:47:37   languages they call it sapir-whorf [TS]

00:47:38   effect it's it's a this is really too [TS]

00:47:42   early to mid-2000s indie-rock talk right [TS]

00:47:45   here yeah nobody does this anymore no [TS]

00:47:47   right everything [TS]

00:47:48   everything's computers now everything it [TS]

00:47:50   nap ok so what was the phrase put the [TS]

00:47:55   drum inside the microphone mm-hmm set [TS]

00:48:00   shot Rome in EE had your name hmm is [TS]

00:48:06   that it is that out how it said I mean [TS]

00:48:08   I'd rather robot read it to you handle [TS]

00:48:11   students Alexa did do that again like a [TS]

00:48:18   hand so I'm doing through my headphone [TS]

00:48:25   now imagine how have you are Javier [TS]

00:48:27   Bardem saying that sure saying that [TS]

00:48:29   takes out his teeth and then they and [TS]

00:48:32   then they look at each other uh-uh-uh [TS]

00:48:34   from underneath their little gnome hats [TS]

00:48:36   and the lady is that like a big red [TS]

00:48:39   dunce cap yeah exactly and then they run [TS]

00:48:42   into their little earthen mound and yeah [TS]

00:48:45   and I'm like okay here we go ready 1 2 3 [TS]

00:48:49   wood wood Europe be involved York yeah [TS]

00:48:53   absolutely she's the she's the [TS]

00:48:54   governor-general of Isis she lives in [TS]

00:48:56   the back god I love that I love that [TS]

00:49:01   song so much see now I need to equip [TS]

00:49:04   myself with more bureau I've been I've [TS]

00:49:05   been informed that is being abused EDD [TS]

00:49:08   York and I'm told that that's wrong mmm [TS]

00:49:10   give a thought on this is it hbu well [TS]

00:49:13   whenever I am in Perry mmm I like to [TS]

00:49:16   think that i will take a trip to [TS]

00:49:18   deutschland yes and i will i see [TS]

00:49:22   nicaragua and that will meet with my [TS]

00:49:26   friend uh helmet cool to go ah roma ma [TS]

00:49:32   take a tran to ro ba-uh so yeah I mean I [TS]

00:49:38   don't change the capital used to be [TS]

00:49:39   called gypsies better was conceived [TS]

00:49:41   ensive they had to change Healy Healy [TS]

00:49:44   Hanson here Hanson it's a Moog [TS]

00:49:46   synthesizer gotta move the look like [TS]

00:49:49   looks like it says Boog because 2 o's [TS]

00:49:52   together is ooh in a lot of languages [TS]

00:49:56   let's be honest well it's like good [TS]

00:49:58   where the canonical [TS]

00:49:59   double vowel sounds right but but if you [TS]

00:50:02   want to say it's a big hug I'm not come [TS]

00:50:07   you know what I was about to say I'm not [TS]

00:50:09   gonna argue with you but in fact I will [TS]

00:50:11   argue with you because I have been [TS]

00:50:12   trying to figure out the right way to [TS]

00:50:13   pronounce that for 25 years and it isn't [TS]

00:50:15   a question of the right way to pronounce [TS]

00:50:16   it because it's been established that [TS]

00:50:19   it's mug yeah the question is how what [TS]

00:50:22   is the correct way to pronounce it in [TS]

00:50:23   any given social situation I think this [TS]

00:50:26   is super interesting because it's really [TS]

00:50:28   easy to find yourself looking like an [TS]

00:50:30   asshole and I think in this day and age [TS]

00:50:33   it's important to make to pick your [TS]

00:50:35   sides make your decisions about when you [TS]

00:50:38   want to be an asshole right and and you [TS]

00:50:42   know what i mean by an asshole I know [TS]

00:50:43   somebody who's caught is frequently [TS]

00:50:45   pointing out to you that you're [TS]

00:50:47   pronouncing me all wrong or something [TS]

00:50:49   like that right you know the the world [TS]

00:50:52   that in which we grew up our educational [TS]

00:50:54   world like at what point did you start [TS]

00:50:57   pronouncing goethe like correctly / [TS]

00:51:02   that's a great example of backspin great [TS]

00:51:06   example of the internet pronunciation [TS]

00:51:08   problem which we all are very familiar [TS]

00:51:10   with where you could have somebody you [TS]

00:51:12   run across something many many many [TS]

00:51:14   times and you've never had to actually [TS]

00:51:16   say it out loud right and we never say [TS]

00:51:19   we say internet internet product [TS]

00:51:21   pronunciation i would say because the [TS]

00:51:23   dictionary said its ghost I would've [TS]

00:51:25   thought was ghost but then I with the [TS]

00:51:26   college and he said good to write but [TS]

00:51:29   that was long before the internet that [TS]

00:51:30   was your encyclopedia pronunciation [TS]

00:51:31   that's true right Goethe the first time [TS]

00:51:34   you're in college and you say well so [TS]

00:51:36   are we reading Goethe this quarter and [TS]

00:51:39   then they're just as just pile on oh [TS]

00:51:41   yeah now you're not kind of nestled [TS]

00:51:44   right but the but there's Goethe and [TS]

00:51:47   then there's get that or there's like [TS]

00:51:49   the then you put the real like if you're [TS]

00:51:51   if if your professor has written a book [TS]

00:51:53   in German you and put some mustard on [TS]

00:51:55   that sausage your gear tag it but you [TS]

00:51:58   you on track I told you the electric [TS]

00:52:00   right mmm you you can watch me pronounce [TS]

00:52:03   you pronounce the vowel like you [TS]

00:52:06   normally would good now let's say let's [TS]

00:52:09   say look let's say you want to say [TS]

00:52:12   ish mr. stuff you make an O you say a no [TS]

00:52:15   but you make your mouth in the shape of [TS]

00:52:17   an e while you're pronouncing the Oh try [TS]

00:52:20   this and see if your minds blown you [TS]

00:52:21   your oh okay good okay um you can't do [TS]

00:52:26   it you can't do you got the wrong shape [TS]

00:52:27   mouth that's a nice that's a nice trick [TS]

00:52:29   yeah yeah no I'm not me asshole what [TS]

00:52:31   about this just just made to say mmm for [TS]

00:52:35   the longest time hey that's that's where [TS]

00:52:42   it is they're doing that they're doing [TS]

00:52:44   the whom ye oh nothing but the butt so [TS]

00:52:49   that so moge moog it like it's a [TS]

00:52:52   question of if you're if I'm standing in [TS]

00:52:54   a room with a bunch of icelandic music [TS]

00:52:55   producers yeah course I'm saying how [TS]

00:52:57   your and Javier Bardem yeah I'm not [TS]

00:52:59   gonna get chased out of there but if I'm [TS]

00:53:03   standing in a group of lay people who [TS]

00:53:05   will have no idea what I'm talking about [TS]

00:53:07   because everyone in the world says mood [TS]

00:53:09   when they look at a thing that says mood [TS]

00:53:10   you know where did where's the bounce [TS]

00:53:13   you don't want to say like okay it's [TS]

00:53:14   well so I was playing a Moog and then [TS]

00:53:17   the one person in the room just class at [TS]

00:53:20   the Art Institute right is like well I [TS]

00:53:22   think it's called mode I look it's this [TS]

00:53:25   is prom this is the problem with [TS]

00:53:26   becoming an asshole it's like you know [TS]

00:53:27   the first of all the person who is [TS]

00:53:29   really really excited to learn it's this [TS]

00:53:33   is this is a total interpersonal turns [TS]

00:53:35   out like when you discover that [TS]

00:53:36   something that's pronounced a certain [TS]

00:53:38   way okay there's there's a really good I [TS]

00:53:39   think extremely good time travel movie [TS]

00:53:42   called Primmer and it's very low-budget [TS]

00:53:45   film that this guy put out it's [TS]

00:53:47   fantastic but the thing is you might not [TS]

00:53:49   even have recognized what I just said [TS]

00:53:50   because looking the world calls it [TS]

00:53:52   primer all right when it was put out the [TS]

00:53:55   director called the movie premiere but [TS]

00:53:56   guess what happened everybody in the [TS]

00:53:59   world pronounced the primer so now even [TS]

00:54:00   he has to pronounce the primer or he's [TS]

00:54:02   going to look like an asshole right it's [TS]

00:54:04   not primer its primer now the people in [TS]

00:54:06   the interpersonal turns out culture who [TS]

00:54:07   are so excited to have a new way to [TS]

00:54:09   correct strangers they are going to be [TS]

00:54:12   the last person on the fucking planet to [TS]

00:54:15   realize that they're the asshole and so [TS]

00:54:17   sometimes and so then what do you do [TS]

00:54:18   you're in a room with a bunch of little [TS]

00:54:20   kids with a synthesizer and you go oh [TS]

00:54:22   have you checked out the mo [TS]

00:54:24   and look it's go I know how to read that [TS]

00:54:26   says move and you say well actually it's [TS]

00:54:29   pronounced mode but here's the thing it [TS]

00:54:32   was the guy's name it was a guy's name [TS]

00:54:34   yes and say his name say his name say my [TS]

00:54:37   name and so then love that here's the [TS]

00:54:40   thing maybe here's problem you know you [TS]

00:54:43   know music teachers right this is gonna [TS]

00:54:45   be the worst so if you did try to say oh [TS]

00:54:47   that's right that's a Moog synthesizer [TS]

00:54:49   guess what's gonna happen and well [TS]

00:54:51   actually and now the music teacher is [TS]

00:54:54   going to be an asshole and say it's [TS]

00:54:55   pronounced moge and you got you just got [TS]

00:54:57   double turns doubt because because the [TS]

00:55:00   problem is right that there's it there [TS]

00:55:02   there's another thing in play here which [TS]

00:55:04   is we're back to the we're back to that [TS]

00:55:07   guy in Ithaca who said i never tried to [TS]

00:55:11   speak to people in their own dialect I [TS]

00:55:13   just talked the way that I talk and they [TS]

00:55:15   come to me right the guy you met and [TS]

00:55:19   this is he was God this goes back to [TS]

00:55:21   maybe the supertrain episode this is the [TS]

00:55:24   guy and you would you you had a like a [TS]

00:55:26   you had a little patois were you you got [TS]

00:55:29   somebody from nawlins you start talking [TS]

00:55:30   about guarantee right right that's right [TS]

00:55:33   I thought that was I've in a patois I [TS]

00:55:34   was thinking that I was that I was [TS]

00:55:36   blending in that I was getting along [TS]

00:55:39   better you're gonna help these simple [TS]

00:55:40   people be more comfortable well their [TS]

00:55:42   differential isms I did not have a lot [TS]

00:55:45   of I didn't have a lot of first-hand [TS]

00:55:47   experience with with with with like [TS]

00:55:50   dialect right or like you know you grew [TS]

00:55:52   up in Alaska and everybody speaks like [TS]

00:55:54   they're from Oklahoma but I guess I have [TS]

00:55:56   to ask you please tell me that's coffee [TS]

00:55:57   yes okay could you think that out did [TS]

00:56:00   you think that after 300 episodes of [TS]

00:56:03   this show that i had finally gotten to a [TS]

00:56:04   point where i was just gonna pee in the [TS]

00:56:06   show oh well I do it all the time but I [TS]

00:56:08   mute but not none of my Seltzer to you [TS]

00:56:10   you know I don't have I don't have them [TS]

00:56:12   I do have a mute button I keep [TS]

00:56:14   forgetting that I have it yes you do um [TS]

00:56:16   no I'm making coffee and and I'm making [TS]

00:56:20   oh my god it's this terrible terrible [TS]

00:56:22   stuff i my am I my world is all upside [TS]

00:56:26   down and i'm actually using these weird [TS]

00:56:28   little nescafe pal no did you run out of [TS]

00:56:31   free coffee again yeah well it's not [TS]

00:56:33   that I ran out of it it's that I don't [TS]

00:56:34   want to deal [TS]

00:56:35   that get to grind it oh no it's not that [TS]

00:56:37   it's just that I don't want to I don't [TS]

00:56:39   want to clean clean up after it oh I [TS]

00:56:41   hear that we got new grinder I'm very [TS]

00:56:43   happy with yeah tell me about is a burr [TS]

00:56:45   grinder okay shit dawg anyways can [TS]

00:56:49   monster of course it's a burr grinder [TS]

00:56:51   the problem with the mode problem is if [TS]

00:56:53   you say mood because you think that [TS]

00:56:55   you're helping people that that you [TS]

00:56:58   don't want to sit and have a light be a [TS]

00:57:00   poverty of diminished expectations yeah [TS]

00:57:02   and then somebody's like actually it [TS]

00:57:04   smogged saying you are put in a very [TS]

00:57:06   awkward position of saying oh well I was [TS]

00:57:08   seeing it dumb because I thought you [TS]

00:57:10   were dumb and then you really are like [TS]

00:57:15   then the crosshairs are on you because [TS]

00:57:17   huh that actually doesn't that's not as [TS]

00:57:20   good sounding as you thought it sounded [TS]

00:57:21   at first you're not helping anybody [TS]

00:57:22   you're just here just passable yeah [TS]

00:57:26   you're just can hear maybe you're still [TS]

00:57:28   not confident that it's mug somebody [TS]

00:57:29   asked me other day is it Porsche or [TS]

00:57:32   Portia and I was like oh fuck you know [TS]

00:57:34   you're now I'm 10 years old again and [TS]

00:57:36   I'm trying to say like I think it's [TS]

00:57:38   Porsche but I pretty sure it's portia [TS]

00:57:42   I've been saying Porsche for a long time [TS]

00:57:44   but I did once upon a time say Porsche [TS]

00:57:47   and now you've you sewed that tiny bit [TS]

00:57:50   of doubt in my head again well obviously [TS]

00:57:52   the Germans say Portia it is important [TS]

00:57:55   but a white would say try to rewrite the [TS]

00:57:58   sentence without you think the word if [TS]

00:58:01   you don't know what it means if you have [TS]

00:58:02   to look it up use a different word yeah [TS]

00:58:04   use a different word drosophila like [TS]

00:58:07   like Franken right to so that's not a [TS]

00:58:10   fan of the athletic wear and shoe [TS]

00:58:14   company from Portland with the swoosh oh [TS]

00:58:17   that we gay be well I was if I was a fan [TS]

00:58:20   I was aware er I like Mike didn't you I [TS]

00:58:24   called him Mike's until 9th grade call [TS]

00:58:27   them thanks so you know you had to [TS]

00:58:29   figure out what side you were on which [TS]

00:58:30   side are you on boy which side are you [TS]

00:58:32   on are you going to be an IT person you [TS]

00:58:33   give me a D this person are you going to [TS]

00:58:35   be an Opie person or are you going to be [TS]

00:58:37   a lightning bolt person I was a [TS]

00:58:38   lightning bolt person and I was a Nike [TS]

00:58:40   person I don't even know what a [TS]

00:58:42   lightning bolt is lightning bolts shirts [TS]

00:58:44   no tee shirts lightning vultures [TS]

00:58:46   lightning bolt shirts [TS]

00:58:48   am I having a stroke there was a surfy [TS]

00:58:51   shirt it's a short surface shirt that [TS]

00:58:53   was popular in the early 80s lightning [TS]

00:58:55   bolt is that a name of them yeah yeah [TS]

00:58:57   yeah yeah you never heard of this [TS]

00:58:59   interesting because I'm you know I'm [TS]

00:59:01   from the West right we is this some kind [TS]

00:59:03   of East Coast uh surf where I don't know [TS]

00:59:08   I don't let me borrow yeah look at that [TS]

00:59:11   in the big bolt Oh like that there's a [TS]

00:59:13   there a lot of there are a lot of things [TS]

00:59:15   growing up in the West that I was very [TS]

00:59:19   surprised to discover there was an east [TS]

00:59:22   coast version of hellmann's invest well [TS]

00:59:25   that for sure but party is in was a [TS]

00:59:28   carl's jr. and hardee's well no it [TS]

00:59:30   wasn't so much that stuff it was that [TS]

00:59:34   the two things that really surprised me [TS]

00:59:35   were east coast surf culture mm-hmm [TS]

00:59:40   because my brain just couldn't wrap [TS]

00:59:43   around the idea that there was an East [TS]

00:59:47   that there was any kind of surfing on [TS]

00:59:49   the East Coast and I still don't really [TS]

00:59:50   believe it i mean i've seen people do it [TS]

00:59:52   but it just feels like i don't know it's [TS]

00:59:58   like cute [TS]

00:59:58   like cute [TS]

01:00:00   yes something you're doing to prove a [TS]

01:00:01   point it's all Jamaican bobsled team you [TS]

01:00:04   know like feels very Olympic today like [TS]

01:00:07   what the hell are you guys doing this is [TS]

01:00:09   not this isn't these aren't surfable [TS]

01:00:11   waves and I'm not even a surfer I'm not [TS]

01:00:13   saying it I'm not saying it from a place [TS]

01:00:15   of like did brah that's not even the way [TS]

01:00:18   if I'm saying like that's just not this [TS]

01:00:20   isn't your culture at all it was it was [TS]

01:00:22   invented a long way from here and and it [TS]

01:00:25   does yeah it feels like i remember in [TS]

01:00:27   and beautiful using the word western [TS]

01:00:29   because Western seems a little bit [TS]

01:00:30   America centric i would say surfing [TS]

01:00:32   feels like what i will call a Pacific [TS]

01:00:34   Pacific that's precisely right yeah I I [TS]

01:00:37   went back to Anchorage in 1991 or [TS]

01:00:40   something and went to a bar and there [TS]

01:00:42   were a bunch of guys standing around [TS]

01:00:43   with chain wallets and loser has shirts [TS]

01:00:48   you know like like beanie hats and and I [TS]

01:00:50   was like you guys this isn't from here [TS]

01:00:52   don't do that changing all adult you're [TS]

01:00:54   not grunge that's you know this is that [TS]

01:00:56   it didn't import like that but of course [TS]

01:00:59   at that point it was that was happening [TS]

01:01:01   all around the world right there are [TS]

01:01:03   people in Miami that were walking around [TS]

01:01:04   that look we don't know I remember when [TS]

01:01:07   it first arrived in Florida a friend of [TS]

01:01:09   mine sort of wearing what i would think [TS]

01:01:10   call a truck or wallet and I was like I [TS]

01:01:12   think he'd maybe lived in bhinda New [TS]

01:01:15   York or living in New York and I say it [TS]

01:01:17   seems so peculiar to me it seemed like [TS]

01:01:20   one of those affectations like suddenly [TS]

01:01:22   getting into macrame really sure that's [TS]

01:01:24   where you want to go with this the first [TS]

01:01:26   time I saw a trucker wallet though it [TS]

01:01:27   was absolutely uh the the province and [TS]

01:01:30   I'm talking about in the in the 70s the [TS]

01:01:33   the it totally represented like Smokey [TS]

01:01:36   and the Bandit land oh it's a reason [TS]

01:01:38   it's called truncal every trucker had [TS]

01:01:39   that wallet that's right but then by the [TS]

01:01:41   time the 90s came around there was it [TS]

01:01:43   was pure ironic truck wall like what I [TS]

01:01:46   have keepin in there like a ear plugs in [TS]

01:01:48   your vape pen like what are you what are [TS]

01:01:49   you doing with that is you would carry a [TS]

01:01:52   huge amount of cash plus the currencies [TS]

01:01:53   of the world currencies of the world [TS]

01:01:55   that's right and every and every ticket [TS]

01:01:57   stub that I for every show that I [TS]

01:01:59   everyone but I you know that my first [TS]

01:02:01   trucker wallet in fact mime [TS]

01:02:03   the trucker wallet that that was with me [TS]

01:02:06   for ninety five percent of my truck or [TS]

01:02:08   wallet years was a trucker wallet that [TS]

01:02:11   I'd been given by my brother Bartley um [TS]

01:02:15   in about nineteen eighty only realize it [TS]

01:02:19   had been his and it would it had [TS]

01:02:22   hand-tooled leather and it was it had [TS]

01:02:26   already been really like like broken in [TS]

01:02:30   really broken in and the leather was [TS]

01:02:32   that color of kind of like uh almost [TS]

01:02:36   caramel it wasn't like a light leather [TS]

01:02:40   but the but the tanning had been worn [TS]

01:02:42   off of it for so long it was well this [TS]

01:02:44   shade of like like a pair of well worn [TS]

01:02:47   boots and he gave it to me in nineteen [TS]

01:02:49   eighty and even then I was only 12 and I [TS]

01:02:53   looked at it was like are you kidding me [TS]

01:02:55   like I'm I'm like going to college and [TS]

01:03:01   stuff so why would I want this piece of [TS]

01:03:05   white trash ephemera right like this is [TS]

01:03:08   just what it is is he giving something [TS]

01:03:10   when if you're cold misc exactly [TS]

01:03:15   definitely oh is this the pulley that [TS]

01:03:17   you use to get the donkey's to pull the [TS]

01:03:19   stumps out of them how did the Sun for [TS]

01:03:22   gaming you're gonna get lifetime renter [TS]

01:03:23   here's my pick yeah I don't have an I [TS]

01:03:30   don't have a CDL like I don't need this [TS]

01:03:32   I'm gonna go to college I'm taking the [TS]

01:03:35   french 101 oh we don't work he's like a [TS]

01:03:41   son I wanted you to have my old bridle [TS]

01:03:45   so I just my father's buggy whip case [TS]

01:03:50   it's not given case I never yeah or [TS]

01:03:55   worse it wasn't even like a practical [TS]

01:03:57   thing it was like he handed me his [TS]

01:03:59   Shriners Fez write something that was [TS]

01:04:02   just like it denoted a subculture I was [TS]

01:04:05   never gonna join but I never thought it [TS]

01:04:08   was just baffling male rituals you're [TS]

01:04:11   like what is this you know this is my [TS]

01:04:13   penis pump it was my grandfather yeah [TS]

01:04:15   but it's like yeah here you [TS]

01:04:17   son it's a it's a western-style you know [TS]

01:04:21   like cowboy western style purse on a [TS]

01:04:25   chain right and here you go it likes I [TS]

01:04:28   mean when I said somebody who's just [TS]

01:04:30   seeing them for the first time in [TS]

01:04:31   probably seventies you think like that's [TS]

01:04:33   a really big checkbook it kind of look [TS]

01:04:35   like a checkbook yeah yeah like a like a [TS]

01:04:36   like yeah check the purse checkbook yeah [TS]

01:04:39   lady might call a clutch clutch that's [TS]

01:04:44   right except it's on a chain and Bart [TS]

01:04:45   had parted carried this thing through [TS]

01:04:48   all of his trucker years gave it to me [TS]

01:04:51   and it sat in a drawer for I guess what [TS]

01:04:55   seemed like an eternity but it was [TS]

01:04:58   really only ten years because I got it [TS]

01:05:00   like in early 80s and that and by the [TS]

01:05:02   early 90s oh right are we very very very [TS]

01:05:06   early early on in grunge times i was [TS]

01:05:12   like huh i have one of those and i went [TS]

01:05:15   and dug it out of a drawer was like look [TS]

01:05:17   at that doesn't look so stupid to me now [TS]

01:05:19   and all sudden I had the I had like not [TS]

01:05:22   a trucker wallet that I had just [TS]

01:05:23   recently purchased I had a trucker [TS]

01:05:25   Walden looked like it had been with me [TS]

01:05:26   forever boys talking about a score right [TS]

01:05:29   and then it continued to be with me I [TS]

01:05:31   mean that thing lasted all the way [TS]

01:05:32   through my truck of all ears way past [TS]

01:05:34   when everybody else was like well that's [TS]

01:05:37   not what we're wearing anymore remember [TS]

01:05:38   there was a there was a period where [TS]

01:05:40   trucker wallets turned into giant chains [TS]

01:05:42   that people were wearing all the way [TS]

01:05:45   around their bike ken stringfellow on [TS]

01:05:48   one of our tours or a chain that like [TS]

01:05:54   connected to his best like a watch fob [TS]

01:05:56   but but he's like a walking FW Murnau [TS]

01:06:00   movie maybe you're just so like not [TS]

01:06:03   exactly you know what I mean like right [TS]

01:06:05   right right but it was the it was the [TS]

01:06:08   width of like a like one of those old [TS]

01:06:10   chains that you would use to to chain [TS]

01:06:13   your bicycle to the student union oh no [TS]

01:06:16   did you heavy gauge links heavy gauge [TS]

01:06:18   thing but it but he's right it's running [TS]

01:06:19   from his like the center of his belt [TS]

01:06:21   buckle all the way sounds like it looks [TS]

01:06:24   like he made it home like the time I [TS]

01:06:25   tried to make clove cigarettes by taking [TS]

01:06:27   apart my mom's Winston's one clove [TS]

01:06:29   Dustin love them [TS]

01:06:30   yeah it doesn't work doesn't work uh [TS]

01:06:33   yeah it was an it hung down around his [TS]

01:06:35   knee and I was like yeah first of all [TS]

01:06:37   Ken its 2002 like nobody's I mean the [TS]

01:06:41   only people that are rocking this now [TS]

01:06:42   are the people with really big leg jeans [TS]

01:06:44   and like and who have pacifiers around [TS]

01:06:48   their necks like this is not a look [TS]

01:06:50   that's that's rock that your rocket and [TS]

01:06:53   but even then I still had I still had my [TS]

01:06:54   chain wallet I mean it didn't have a big [TS]

01:06:56   long chain you had a short chain yeah [TS]

01:06:58   but that chain wallet saved my ass [TS]

01:07:00   dignity Shane save my ass couple of [TS]

01:07:03   times it also fucked me up a couple of [TS]

01:07:04   times oh yeah give me one of each uh you [TS]

01:07:09   know what do you really remember when [TS]

01:07:10   you go back you and you and you and the [TS]

01:07:12   wall go back what would he think of as [TS]

01:07:13   like your highlights reel well the two [TS]

01:07:15   the two big problems were that the [TS]

01:07:19   wallet had so much stuff in it so much [TS]

01:07:21   money and so many ticket stubs and so [TS]

01:07:23   many currencies of the world that [TS]

01:07:25   driving 48 hours a day in the van across [TS]

01:07:29   this great nation of ours I started to [TS]

01:07:31   develop back problems because I was [TS]

01:07:33   sitting on I'm avoiding something that [TS]

01:07:35   George Costanza joke here but this is [TS]

01:07:37   really true you actually oh my god I I [TS]

01:07:40   was sitting on a giant super hard [TS]

01:07:42   leather pillow on one butt cheek and [TS]

01:07:46   hello in Germany my spine was [TS]

01:07:49   compensating for and I was always like [TS]

01:07:51   God were snack you like has a [TS]

01:07:54   chiropractic nightmare like you're [TS]

01:07:55   making yourself be off kilter like [TS]

01:07:57   developing a limp on purpose it was [TS]

01:08:00   awful and so then I started as I when I [TS]

01:08:03   realized it I started driving and I [TS]

01:08:05   would pull my wallet out and kind of sit [TS]

01:08:06   it on the back of the of the van seat [TS]

01:08:09   while I drove but invariably I would [TS]

01:08:11   forget that I had done it so we'd pull [TS]

01:08:13   up into a gas station I put it in park [TS]

01:08:15   I'd say all right guys you know 20 [TS]

01:08:17   minutes get your hot case and I'm gonna [TS]

01:08:18   fill it up and I'd step out of the van [TS]

01:08:21   and this wallet would swing [TS]

01:08:23   no on its chain like like like a like a [TS]

01:08:27   ball like a cannonball I must've weighed [TS]

01:08:30   like a pound and it did and so I'm in [TS]

01:08:32   like I'm in it I met some like one of [TS]

01:08:35   those heavy duty truck stops that's like [TS]

01:08:37   out there somewhere in west texas or [TS]

01:08:40   whatever like a truck stop where that [TS]

01:08:42   this the the degree of truck ernest is [TS]

01:08:45   high like one of the I don't know if [TS]

01:08:47   you've ever heard of the truck stop that [TS]

01:08:48   has a bunch of white tigers like [TS]

01:08:50   literally living Tigers in very small [TS]

01:08:53   cages just on a cement slab right behind [TS]

01:08:58   the gas station and you go and it's like [TS]

01:09:00   Tiger gas station and you go around [TS]

01:09:02   there and there's like five live Tigers [TS]

01:09:05   just in cages just with the Sun beating [TS]

01:09:08   down on them and you're like how is this [TS]

01:09:10   legal I how is this possible and you [TS]

01:09:13   like it's it like you walk you walk away [TS]

01:09:15   from that drug stomp like something is [TS]

01:09:17   deeply wrong with the world something [TS]

01:09:19   how did this out of this awful awful [TS]

01:09:21   awful person out here in the middle of [TS]

01:09:23   nowhere get five Tigers it doesn't mean [TS]

01:09:25   how do you do that and if you wanted [TS]

01:09:27   five Tigers wouldn't you want it [TS]

01:09:29   wouldn't it be because you love Tigers [TS]

01:09:31   is it just that the guy got five Tigers [TS]

01:09:33   in order to get people to come that's [TS]

01:09:35   handy ask to get some Tigers and it [TS]

01:09:37   seems like if you if you the either pie [TS]

01:09:38   its cuts costly and it's difficult and [TS]

01:09:40   it seems like you want to maybe take [TS]

01:09:41   care of them you get way if you feeding [TS]

01:09:43   them Alpo yeah no that's not good and [TS]

01:09:45   and also you're not trying to drive [TS]

01:09:48   traffic to this truck stop there's no [TS]

01:09:49   other place to get gas for up for 400 [TS]

01:09:51   miles yeah like this doesn't have to be [TS]

01:09:53   an attraction but so I would pull up to [TS]

01:09:55   these type of truck stops where [TS]

01:09:57   everybody else there was like cutting [TS]

01:09:59   speed on the dashboard of their truck [TS]

01:10:01   they all they all had killed the [TS]

01:10:04   prostitute at least once in their lives [TS]

01:10:05   and I jump out of the van and my wallet [TS]

01:10:08   swings and half the time by that point [TS]

01:10:12   the snaps didn't always work and so my [TS]

01:10:15   wallet swings out on the on the biggest [TS]

01:10:18   like sort of swinging on a vine that it [TS]

01:10:21   could do and throws all of my ID and all [TS]

01:10:24   money i owe just out across the pavement [TS]

01:10:26   into the wind and I'm just like howdy [TS]

01:10:29   fellas hey just me you know just me old [TS]

01:10:32   guy over here my book my long hair drain [TS]

01:10:35   on Shawn steps on a top hat [TS]

01:10:36   oh ok but so that was those were a [TS]

01:10:41   couple of times when it really like [TS]

01:10:43   screwed me over but there was one [TS]

01:10:44   particular time where where it truly [TS]

01:10:48   truly truly the all the years that I [TS]

01:10:51   wore that wall around chainin it really [TS]

01:10:53   paid for itself and it was I was on my [TS]

01:10:56   walk across Europe and I was in southern [TS]

01:11:01   Romania I had made it across the [TS]

01:11:02   Carpathians I felt like I was on the [TS]

01:11:05   downhill slope I was I was headed to [TS]

01:11:07   craiova I was almost to the Danube and I [TS]

01:11:12   had this because I did not understand [TS]

01:11:14   anything about the geography of Bulgaria [TS]

01:11:16   I did not understand that there were [TS]

01:11:18   also mountains in Bulgaria that I was [TS]

01:11:21   not I wasn't just coming down to the [TS]

01:11:23   Danube and get on a Huck Finn raft and [TS]

01:11:26   being a Miss Temple I was going to go [TS]

01:11:29   across this river and then I had a whole [TS]

01:11:30   other crazy country to go across before [TS]

01:11:32   I got to the the next crazy country but [TS]

01:11:35   I mean I'm like you know Romania had [TS]

01:11:38   been such a challenge for me it was like [TS]

01:11:41   so hard to travel in this this fantastic [TS]

01:11:48   country but but just like it had thrown [TS]

01:11:50   me for a loop every single day threw me [TS]

01:11:52   for a new loop and I was out as super [TS]

01:11:56   hot I was down in that sort of southern [TS]

01:11:58   a mountain runoff country and i was and [TS]

01:12:02   i found a little bench on the side of [TS]

01:12:05   the road and i sat on this bench in the [TS]

01:12:07   middle of the day and i was eating a [TS]

01:12:08   hard-boiled egg and and just like [TS]

01:12:11   resting my feet for a little bit and [TS]

01:12:14   these two little girls come along the [TS]

01:12:17   road and one of them is eight and one of [TS]

01:12:21   them is six and they see me on the bench [TS]

01:12:25   in there they're very curious and it and [TS]

01:12:27   you know and not at all shy and there's [TS]

01:12:30   nobody in that country that i met that [TS]

01:12:32   was especially shy but they're not shy [TS]

01:12:34   and they come over and they're standing [TS]

01:12:36   a respectful distance from me but [TS]

01:12:39   they're like hi who are you what are you [TS]

01:12:40   doing and I'm like hi I'm an American [TS]

01:12:43   and I'm walking [TS]

01:12:45   uh down the road and they're like [TS]

01:12:47   interesting interesting and there you [TS]

01:12:50   know and we're flirting and there you [TS]

01:12:52   know and they're asking me questions [TS]

01:12:54   about my bag and about my boots and [TS]

01:12:56   they're in their little you know sort of [TS]

01:13:00   chintz fabric skirts with you know kind [TS]

01:13:05   of knees torn leggings and some you know [TS]

01:13:08   they're like they're pretty picturesque [TS]

01:13:11   yes like almost costumed almost costumed [TS]

01:13:16   and I'm talking to them and I'm and I'm [TS]

01:13:19   like oh would you like a little bit of I [TS]

01:13:21   had some kind of little I mean there [TS]

01:13:24   wasn't a lot of like snack food or stuff [TS]

01:13:27   but I did and I don't think I held out [TS]

01:13:28   my egg but I was like oh you want some [TS]

01:13:31   peanuts or something I had some little [TS]

01:13:32   nuts or something that I could give them [TS]

01:13:35   and they're like yeah sure you know take [TS]

01:13:37   the nuts and then all of a sudden the [TS]

01:13:39   six-year-old the smaller one beko [TS]

01:13:42   because I was sitting there and I had my [TS]

01:13:43   wallet sitting on the bench next to me [TS]

01:13:46   because I'd been going on for a [TS]

01:13:49   six-year-old grabs it and runs permit [TS]

01:13:54   for that for a sexy two feet and then it [TS]

01:13:59   Yanks back out of her hand and just [TS]

01:14:03   because of the because of the the angle [TS]

01:14:06   of her arm or whatever it yanked back [TS]

01:14:08   and just lands right back where it was [TS]

01:14:10   on the bench oh wow you couldn't ask for [TS]

01:14:14   that to go better and they both and the [TS]

01:14:16   and the big one was also like as soon as [TS]

01:14:19   the little one had her hand on the [TS]

01:14:20   wallet they both sprinted mm-hmm and so [TS]

01:14:24   now there's something they've done this [TS]

01:14:25   before this is not a new trick print now [TS]

01:14:28   they're standing ten feet away from me [TS]

01:14:30   and I'm still sitting on the bench still [TS]

01:14:33   with the hard-boiled egg still with the [TS]

01:14:35   wallet next to me there and they're both [TS]

01:14:37   looking at me like I had like I had done [TS]

01:14:41   a kind of sorcery that they had you know [TS]

01:14:43   because they are like a Hong Kong like [TS]

01:14:46   like a kung fu movie guy just like [TS]

01:14:48   stroking your mustache like that's right [TS]

01:14:50   I did that that's right I just haven't [TS]

01:14:52   you know like this is there this is [TS]

01:14:54   their normal game like their little [TS]

01:14:56   burglars [TS]

01:14:57   and for all I know their brother or [TS]

01:14:59   their dad was like right around the [TS]

01:15:01   corner or watching from the weeds or [TS]

01:15:04   something but this was this was not [TS]

01:15:06   their first rodeo and they both got [TS]

01:15:08   these huge smiles on their face and [TS]

01:15:10   these you know like wow whenever you see [TS]

01:15:13   a six-year-old girl with a really [TS]

01:15:15   knowing look yeah where she was just [TS]

01:15:18   like well played this time yeah [TS]