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00:00:28   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:32   incomparable i am your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:33   we are here to talk about a movie it's a [TS]

00:00:35   classic movie of a sort of cult movie of [TS]

00:00:37   a sort not from that long ago oh god [TS]

00:00:39   it's so long ago now 1991 I was in [TS]

00:00:42   college then and walt disney pictures [TS]

00:00:45   released the rocketeer based on the [TS]

00:00:48   comic books by dave stevens starring [TS]

00:00:50   well i think of it as starring billy [TS]

00:00:52   campbell and jennifer connelly although [TS]

00:00:54   wikipedia would say starring billy [TS]

00:00:57   campbell and alan arkin and also [TS]

00:00:59   jennifer connelly as in it which [TS]

00:01:00   honestly having seen it now yeah that's [TS]

00:01:03   pretty much it she's in its umph anyway [TS]

00:01:05   joining me to talk about this movie some [TS]

00:01:07   people who really love it I have only [TS]

00:01:09   seen it two or three times I think it's [TS]

00:01:10   fun but I know there's some people who [TS]

00:01:12   love love love this movie and guess what [TS]

00:01:13   i asked them to be on this podcast to [TS]

00:01:15   talk about it dan Morin is one of those [TS]

00:01:17   people hi Dan hello Jason better the [TS]

00:01:19   version with billy campbell and jennifer [TS]

00:01:21   connelly than the version with billy [TS]

00:01:22   connolly actually no that would be [TS]

00:01:24   amazing huh interesting he could have [TS]

00:01:26   the alan arkin part also a huge [TS]

00:01:29   Rocketeer fan and I wouldn't do this [TS]

00:01:30   episode without him returning to the [TS]

00:01:32   show for a second time it's casey less [TS]

00:01:33   hi Casey hello i am excited to be here [TS]

00:01:37   excellent excellent i I hope so we're [TS]

00:01:39   gonna talk about the rocketeer for [TS]

00:01:40   pete's sake David J Laura also here with [TS]

00:01:43   us hello David welcome back to infinity [TS]

00:01:46   and beyond that's not quite right you're [TS]

00:01:48   fired off the show now the rugged here [TS]

00:01:52   is not falling with style and Joe [TS]

00:01:54   rosenstiel is also here hi Joe the raka [TS]

00:01:56   who that's one of my favorite line so [TS]

00:02:00   well done well done I use that way more [TS]

00:02:02   than I should given that there are only [TS]

00:02:03   about a half dozen people who I they're [TS]

00:02:06   all almost all right here yeah anybody [TS]

00:02:09   have any opening statements uh I believe [TS]

00:02:11   I saw something in the slack right [TS]

00:02:13   before I apt on the the conversation [TS]

00:02:15   that maybe we should bring up some of [TS]

00:02:18   the the [TS]

00:02:19   how should I put this the fact that this [TS]

00:02:21   is kind of a movie for white guys yep [TS]

00:02:24   four white guys and it's it's very [TS]

00:02:29   obvious from the get-go there's there's [TS]

00:02:31   not a whole lot of dynamism in terms of [TS]

00:02:35   the cast of characters that you see for [TS]

00:02:39   different backgrounds in their lives [TS]

00:02:41   more genders or anything of that nature [TS]

00:02:43   and you could make the case I suppose [TS]

00:02:46   that it is of the era that it's supposed [TS]

00:02:48   to be depicting but I don't think that [TS]

00:02:50   was technically okay for 1991 or it's [TS]

00:02:53   something that would really fly if you [TS]

00:02:54   were to go ahead and do this these days [TS]

00:02:56   and certainly you could look at Joe [TS]

00:02:58   Johnston's other film um Captain America [TS]

00:03:00   the First Avenger yep depending on I [TS]

00:03:02   guess where you were in the the world [TS]

00:03:04   but um that had a little more going on [TS]

00:03:07   than this one does and i I just I kind [TS]

00:03:13   of feel guilty about that or something [TS]

00:03:16   because I really do like this film but I [TS]

00:03:18   can I can definitely understand why it [TS]

00:03:21   would not be appealing to many other [TS]

00:03:22   people well the comment i made in the [TS]

00:03:24   slack was was that although i was [TS]

00:03:26   disappointed that none of our women [TS]

00:03:28   panelist signed up for this at the same [TS]

00:03:30   time i thought it would be kind of [TS]

00:03:31   fitting in the sense that this is not a [TS]

00:03:33   movie where women really participate [TS]

00:03:35   jennifer connelly is in it and she her [TS]

00:03:38   character her character is not bad in [TS]

00:03:41   the sense that like she's not really [TS]

00:03:42   portrayed as a as a in ways that she [TS]

00:03:45   could have been I suppose as a dummy as [TS]

00:03:48   a as a laughingstock kind of thing I [TS]

00:03:50   think she she she's really good at [TS]

00:03:52   hitting people over the head with with [TS]

00:03:54   glass objects she does that twice that [TS]

00:03:57   that's kind of like your default damsel [TS]

00:03:59   yeah right like so it is oh she's [TS]

00:04:01   totally a damsel the movie that I end up [TS]

00:04:03   comparing this to maybe just cuz I [TS]

00:04:04   rewatched it a few weeks ago but it's [TS]

00:04:05   that's very very similar to it is the [TS]

00:04:08   princess bride which is also a movie in [TS]

00:04:10   which the woman is pretty much a person [TS]

00:04:12   who is kidnapped or sought after she has [TS]

00:04:14   a couple good points where she like you [TS]

00:04:17   know hits someone over the head or hits [TS]

00:04:18   any creature with a log and she is [TS]

00:04:21   pretty much the only woman in the entire [TS]

00:04:23   movie with any like substantive role and [TS]

00:04:26   yeah again I don't think this is [TS]

00:04:30   necessarily excusable by saying that it [TS]

00:04:32   of the era I think probably the the best [TS]

00:04:35   you can say is this was not something [TS]

00:04:37   that people would like that the people [TS]

00:04:38   making this movie were thinking about at [TS]

00:04:40   a time and later wrong that's the way it [TS]

00:04:42   is and to add to that i will say that [TS]

00:04:44   after after watching this the other [TS]

00:04:47   night i went and read the entire dave [TS]

00:04:49   stevens rocket to your run cuz it's not [TS]

00:04:51   very long it's like a tissue and holy [TS]

00:04:54   crap is Jennifer Connelly's version of [TS]

00:04:56   this character so much better than her [TS]

00:04:59   in the guy fuck in which basically Dave [TS]

00:05:02   Stevens so Dave Stevens was kind of [TS]

00:05:04   apparently obsessed with Bettie Page the [TS]

00:05:05   pinup model and so the character who is [TS]

00:05:08   named Betty in the comic books is drawn [TS]

00:05:10   as essentially bettie page including [TS]

00:05:13   many many many scenes of her essentially [TS]

00:05:16   posing in let's say less than well [TS]

00:05:19   cheesecake cheesecake yeah us wrap but [TS]

00:05:22   but in cases would like no actual [TS]

00:05:23   clothes on a mini turns cases like [TS]

00:05:25   strategically plays and she is [TS]

00:05:27   incredibly sort of petty and cliff is [TS]

00:05:30   not much better he is kind of a [TS]

00:05:31   boozehound and a super jealous and all [TS]

00:05:33   this like for a cup for a comic that's [TS]

00:05:35   supposed to be sort of a light-hearted [TS]

00:05:36   pulp none of the characters seem very [TS]

00:05:39   sympathetic so yeah I think the movie [TS]

00:05:42   actually does a service to the comic [TS]

00:05:44   book in making this much more of a [TS]

00:05:47   certainly family-friendly movie and [TS]

00:05:50   certainly more palatable and sympathetic [TS]

00:05:52   as far as the characters go so yeah I [TS]

00:05:54   will say that the jennifer connelly role [TS]

00:05:56   certainly under written but could have [TS]

00:05:59   been way worse but yeah this is not [TS]

00:06:01   necessarily a movie that that any [TS]

00:06:03   current movie should aspire to be in and [TS]

00:06:06   Joe I have to say kudos to you for blink [TS]

00:06:09   not blinking an eye when you said that [TS]

00:06:11   it wouldn't fly today when I was [TS]

00:06:14   watching at this afternoon as her name [TS]

00:06:17   comes up i went and jennifer connelly is [TS]

00:06:19   also present I know the writers were so [TS]

00:06:23   happy that they they went to the trouble [TS]

00:06:26   of not making her the screaming helpless [TS]

00:06:28   damsel yeah they didn't really do that [TS]

00:06:31   much but you know yes she is she is [TS]

00:06:34   shake she could be a lot worse but she's [TS]

00:06:36   hardly integral to the story as anything [TS]

00:06:39   except the thing that the two men fight [TS]

00:06:40   over yeah well and she's the [TS]

00:06:42   coincidental link that helps the actor [TS]

00:06:45   find the [TS]

00:06:46   right right right there yet she is the [TS]

00:06:48   coincident look I love jennifer connelly [TS]

00:06:50   she is she's she's my age she went [TS]

00:06:52   apparently went to college with Glenn [TS]

00:06:53   uncle ending by remote is the worst kind [TS]

00:06:56   of way and you know she have went on to [TS]

00:07:00   win an Oscar and she's been a lot of [TS]

00:07:01   stuff and I think she's very good and [TS]

00:07:03   here she does all she can with what [TS]

00:07:05   she's given and she does the way they [TS]

00:07:07   make her up to look like a classic sort [TS]

00:07:10   of a classic movie star starlet she [TS]

00:07:14   looks beautiful but the story again it's [TS]

00:07:17   just one of those things I didn't really [TS]

00:07:18   think about before but when we were [TS]

00:07:19   talking about in slack it's definitely [TS]

00:07:21   the case that like this is a this is a [TS]

00:07:23   boy's story basically a boy's life boys [TS]

00:07:26   a great adventure story in fact I will [TS]

00:07:28   say and this is a tie into our the fact [TS]

00:07:30   that it's our member period here the [TS]

00:07:34   raiders lost ark you know has the same [TS]

00:07:36   issue right we watched raiders of the [TS]

00:07:38   lost ark for a special member episode [TS]

00:07:39   and you know Karen Allen is the only [TS]

00:07:42   woman in that and she hits a guy over [TS]

00:07:44   ahead with a log at one point and she's [TS]

00:07:47   a very spunky capable character but [TS]

00:07:49   again it's the one woman who is the [TS]

00:07:52   heroes love interest who doesn't have a [TS]

00:07:55   lot to do and and Jennifer Connelly is [TS]

00:07:57   stuck in that same in that same spire [TS]

00:07:59   and both movies are you know they're [TS]

00:08:02   specifically aping a certain style and [TS]

00:08:04   period and everything and you know I [TS]

00:08:06   think Raiders at least she's a lot [TS]

00:08:09   sharper she's able to hold her own [TS]

00:08:11   against the characters whereas in this [TS]

00:08:14   she the characters a little bit more [TS]

00:08:16   girly in a preoperative sense and I [TS]

00:08:21   think they went too far thinking well [TS]

00:08:23   how would we do this if it were 1938 [TS]

00:08:26   whereas in Raiders it's like you know [TS]

00:08:28   okay this is what we're gonna do we're [TS]

00:08:30   is here they're like well all the [TS]

00:08:31   Germans would be white guys and well all [TS]

00:08:33   the people in Hollywood films would be [TS]

00:08:35   white guys and you know it it's just [TS]

00:08:37   it's like I don't think that was even on [TS]

00:08:40   their radar well right I mean Raiders is [TS]

00:08:42   obviously a huge inspiration point for [TS]

00:08:44   this movie as well very clearly I mean [TS]

00:08:46   this the scene later on with Dalton [TS]

00:08:49   giving Jennifer Connelly the dress is [TS]

00:08:51   Bella yep and Marion oh yes the same [TS]

00:08:53   exact same based on it good call there's [TS]

00:08:56   a number of things like that where I [TS]

00:08:57   might better [TS]

00:08:58   rest of the rocketeer better doesn't [TS]

00:08:59   have that doesn't have the flower on the [TS]

00:09:01   butt but like same thing where it's used [TS]

00:09:02   as like a diversion right like it's a [TS]

00:09:04   trick right like there's a lot of beats [TS]

00:09:06   in here that are basically crib from [TS]

00:09:07   that and they you know as far as the [TS]

00:09:09   production goes it seems to be [TS]

00:09:10   intentional because a lot of what I came [TS]

00:09:13   from what I gather they were pointing to [TS]

00:09:15   Raiders as a successful franchise that [TS]

00:09:16   would let them set this in the 30s [TS]

00:09:18   rather than trying to modernize it as [TS]

00:09:20   some of the earlier arguments were that [TS]

00:09:23   it should be which would have been [TS]

00:09:24   really really bad apparently they wanted [TS]

00:09:27   like a NASA helmet for him was like no [TS]

00:09:30   no no that's kinda not the point you [TS]

00:09:33   know you guys you must have seen a [TS]

00:09:35   different movie than I did because when [TS]

00:09:37   this movie came out I was ten years old [TS]

00:09:39   and I had some very complicated thoughts [TS]

00:09:42   about Jennifer camellias 10 year old oh [TS]

00:09:44   I had very complicated thoughts about [TS]

00:09:47   her as a 20 it was 20 and my thoughts [TS]

00:09:49   about her we're not complicated at all [TS]

00:09:50   case and I say I'd say that jokingly but [TS]

00:09:55   but all snark aside I mean she was 20 [TS]

00:09:58   and she wasn't even 21 with us when this [TS]

00:10:00   movie was released so she filmed this [TS]

00:10:02   when she was like 19 or 20 years old and [TS]

00:10:03   in I was barely alive at 20 years old as [TS]

00:10:07   far as I'm concerned I could I could [TS]

00:10:08   barely scrape two words together and [TS]

00:10:10   here was I mean III don't think this is [TS]

00:10:12   an oscar-winning performance because of [TS]

00:10:14   all the things you guys had mentioned [TS]

00:10:15   that it wasn't that much of a [TS]

00:10:16   performance but every scene she was in I [TS]

00:10:18   thought she did a phenomenal job and and [TS]

00:10:20   I thought I thought she handled it [TS]

00:10:22   really really well and I thought that [TS]

00:10:23   she was more than as you said than just [TS]

00:10:25   a damsel in distress and and it's funny [TS]

00:10:27   because I would agree that she was not a [TS]

00:10:30   critical role maybe that's not the best [TS]

00:10:33   word for it but she was not she was not [TS]

00:10:35   a frequent seen Yoshi you wouldn't see [TS]

00:10:40   her that much but nevertheless I don't [TS]

00:10:42   reflect on this movie and think that she [TS]

00:10:44   was an afterthought I reflect on it and [TS]

00:10:46   think that this is but yell billy [TS]

00:10:48   connolly or whatever his name is I'll [TS]

00:10:51   see you got my key on my darn head Billy [TS]

00:10:53   Campbell Thank You Billy Campbell [TS]

00:10:55   jennifer connelly well they did date for [TS]

00:10:56   a while so it was it almost went that [TS]

00:10:58   way I agree actually i would say exactly [TS]

00:11:01   what you said casey which is in my mind [TS]

00:11:03   jennifer connelly is a major part of [TS]

00:11:05   this movie and then watch it on I'm [TS]

00:11:06   always disappointed that she's not as [TS]

00:11:08   big a part of it as I remember her being [TS]

00:11:10   and I think that's just because she does [TS]

00:11:12   good job she's very likable she's very [TS]

00:11:14   beautiful and but then the movie like [TS]

00:11:16   doesn't you know it doesn't carry it [TS]

00:11:18   through as much as my memory does like I [TS]

00:11:20   I in the great rewrite in my mind I say [TS]

00:11:23   give Connolly twice as many scenes as [TS]

00:11:25   she's got in the script right but that's [TS]

00:11:27   not actually how the movie is laid out [TS]

00:11:29   unfortunate well and you know watching [TS]

00:11:31   it as a writer and watching it in terms [TS]

00:11:32   of you know how do I pull this apart how [TS]

00:11:34   do i use the component parts and other [TS]

00:11:35   things and you know I certainly have [TS]

00:11:37   done that with this and you know it's [TS]

00:11:40   like I know that it went through many [TS]

00:11:43   many rewrites and many many revisions in [TS]

00:11:45   many many you know let's let's do this [TS]

00:11:47   outline those two that I well they like [TS]

00:11:49   this from the old outline and they've [TS]

00:11:50   you know they just it it's like this [TS]

00:11:52   weird Frankenstein monster of scripts [TS]

00:11:54   and outlines and it almost feels and I'm [TS]

00:11:59   saying this as someone who loves the [TS]

00:12:00   movie it does still feel like it needed [TS]

00:12:02   one more polish or two because it's sort [TS]

00:12:05   of like it's a very linear here's where [TS]

00:12:07   we go from here and this leads to this [TS]

00:12:09   and oh what if she's an actress and she [TS]

00:12:11   connects this and oh what if she's at [TS]

00:12:13   the club when they're doing the thing [TS]

00:12:15   and it's it's very easy i see i disagree [TS]

00:12:18   i'm at very i think it's very yeah is [TS]

00:12:20   very schematic but i think it's also [TS]

00:12:22   very tightly plotted in that way in that [TS]

00:12:24   there there is nothing extraneous about [TS]

00:12:25   it exactly but it could it could use a [TS]

00:12:27   little extraneous it could use a little [TS]

00:12:30   breathing I think it's a Walt Disney [TS]

00:12:31   picture from 1981 that's the amount of [TS]

00:12:34   extraneous that needs the only Campbell [TS]

00:12:36   I went to mention now it Billy Campbell [TS]

00:12:38   is actually a lot older than Jennifer [TS]

00:12:40   Connelly um and and and yet here's the [TS]

00:12:44   thing Billy Campbell is uh he's boyish [TS]

00:12:48   he just is he he's a boyish fellow and [TS]

00:12:51   so I I don't have a problem with that [TS]

00:12:53   part at all the fact that they don't [TS]

00:12:55   feel like they're you know more than a [TS]

00:12:57   decade apart in age because the reason [TS]

00:13:00   that Billy Campbell works in this part [TS]

00:13:01   as cliff who discovers the rocket pack [TS]

00:13:04   and start inputs on and get the helmet [TS]

00:13:06   and starts to fly around and thinks it's [TS]

00:13:07   fun is that he is so boyish and it is [TS]

00:13:10   like I said it's in an adventure story [TS]

00:13:11   like this you kind of want to have that [TS]

00:13:13   golly golly gee whiz your kind of [TS]

00:13:16   harkening back to that era and that's [TS]

00:13:18   that's what Billy Campbell has in spades [TS]

00:13:19   here right like this is what this part [TS]

00:13:22   requires and it's what he gives the part [TS]

00:13:24   after after this movie [TS]

00:13:26   and partly because of Billy Campbell's [TS]

00:13:28   performance I did go back to the you [TS]

00:13:29   know I had always seen the comic but I'd [TS]

00:13:31   never picked it up and I went back and [TS]

00:13:32   read it at the time and was very [TS]

00:13:34   disappointed and now after Stevens [TS]

00:13:37   passed away and there have been more and [TS]

00:13:38   more adaptations of The Rocketeer in [TS]

00:13:41   news stories everything they tend to [TS]

00:13:44   follow the movie style a little better [TS]

00:13:46   which I like they should too because and [TS]

00:13:49   they show having read it it is not it is [TS]

00:13:51   not is some of their stuff patterned [TS]

00:13:54   directly after the comic book like the [TS]

00:13:56   scene with Malcolm being rescued is [TS]

00:13:58   almost taken not exactly that's asleep I [TS]

00:14:01   beat certainly but it just goes told the [TS]

00:14:04   other ELLs also Stevens was kind of I [TS]

00:14:06   want say obsessed but like he was really [TS]

00:14:07   big in the pulp stuff so there are there [TS]

00:14:09   are appearances by notable pulp [TS]

00:14:11   characters who are very specifically not [TS]

00:14:13   named so as to prevent any sort of [TS]

00:14:15   copyright infringement the entire second [TS]

00:14:17   arc of the comic books involves the [TS]

00:14:20   shadow but never named just basically [TS]

00:14:23   alluded to being the shadow but like not [TS]

00:14:25   in just like one or two scenes he's in a [TS]

00:14:26   bunch of it the entire first arc and has [TS]

00:14:29   a bunch of stuff with Doc Savage like oh [TS]

00:14:30   my right yes but like this is you know [TS]

00:14:34   anyways so I think that the movie does a [TS]

00:14:37   nice job of bringing this around to [TS]

00:14:39   something that in fact it's almost as [TS]

00:14:41   though the movie is a better sort of [TS]

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00:16:37   incomparable another thing that we [TS]

00:16:38   noticed while we were watching this to [TS]

00:16:39   them Laura and I were watching this last [TS]

00:16:42   night and at one point one of us made [TS]

00:16:45   the comment oh this movie has every [TS]

00:16:47   character actor and yes yes it is a [TS]

00:16:49   remarkable assortment of character [TS]

00:16:52   actress like you could just play hey [TS]

00:16:53   it's that guy the whole movie like just [TS]

00:16:56   to list some of them and will like [TS]

00:16:58   alarcon but he's kind of a major a major [TS]

00:17:01   character and of course Timothy Dalton [TS]

00:17:02   is the villain but Paul Sorvino is in it [TS]

00:17:04   Terry O'Quinn is in it ed lauter John [TS]

00:17:08   Pagano ido William Sanderson wave [TS]

00:17:10   Sanderson from Deadwood my notes here [TS]

00:17:12   are literally you know every few lines [TS]

00:17:14   it's just a name with an exclamation [TS]

00:17:16   point more gardendale Margo Martindale [TS]

00:17:19   she's great my favorite my favorite [TS]

00:17:21   random call out is max Gordon cheek and [TS]

00:17:25   the very first scene as the gangster the [TS]

00:17:27   red-haired gangster who of course went [TS]

00:17:29   on to play rom on deep space nine days [TS]

00:17:31   nine I kept look at that guys like why [TS]

00:17:34   do I know him and then I had to look it [TS]

00:17:36   up afterwards like yes of course and and [TS]

00:17:39   how many of these character actors wind [TS]

00:17:40   up folded in half that's kind of well [TS]

00:17:43   there's also a tiny Ron Taylor who folds [TS]

00:17:45   yeah him inhales him in half yeah he [TS]

00:17:48   plays Merridew who's [TS]

00:17:49   the Grand Nagus is a valid I guess right [TS]

00:17:53   yeah so there's another connection there [TS]

00:17:55   Wow right that's awesome but they're [TS]

00:17:57   like basically everybody's been and [TS]

00:17:59   start wrecking this one I mean no Terry [TS]

00:18:02   O'Quinn like a Clint Howard of course of [TS]

00:18:06   course Terry O'Quinn is Howard Hughes in [TS]

00:18:09   this and it's a fun it's a fun part for [TS]

00:18:11   Terry O'Quinn Theriot Quinn's got more [TS]

00:18:13   hair than we usually see Terry O'Quinn [TS]

00:18:15   winner just kind of it's a good Howard [TS]

00:18:16   Hughes role to it's not me it's it's the [TS]

00:18:19   Howard Hughes saavn know exactly thank [TS]

00:18:22   exactly buddy it's clay it's the Howard [TS]

00:18:25   Hughes version i wrote my notes that [TS]

00:18:26   he's kind of like Nikola Tesla in this [TS]

00:18:28   regard right he's the mythological sort [TS]

00:18:30   of genius inventor and we only get him [TS]

00:18:32   in that sort of role of her yum exactly [TS]

00:18:36   amused but like you know kind of the [TS]

00:18:38   he's wise he's older he's a Jedi Master [TS]

00:18:42   yeah so the Tesla from the prestige like [TS]

00:18:45   that site exactly David David Bowie is [TS]

00:18:47   Tesla yeah he's he's got that he's got [TS]

00:18:49   the wisdom and he he's like advising [TS]

00:18:52   cliff and like admires him from the from [TS]

00:18:55   the the aviation perspective like that [TS]

00:18:58   he's a pilot and all that and he like [TS]

00:18:59   appreciates that and the end he's his [TS]

00:19:01   benefactor and brings in the plane and [TS]

00:19:03   it's a yeah it's a fun part and then [TS]

00:19:05   he's also at in opposition when we see [TS]

00:19:08   him he's in opposition to the the feds [TS]

00:19:09   right because the feds want to [TS]

00:19:11   federalize the jetpack and he basically [TS]

00:19:13   just throws the the plans on the fire [TS]

00:19:16   because he doesn't he doesn't want to [TS]

00:19:17   get into that game with one of my [TS]

00:19:19   favorite lines from this entire movie [TS]

00:19:21   tell them the dream is over tell him [TS]

00:19:22   Howard Hughes said so telling me talks [TS]

00:19:25   in the third person my favorite is that [TS]

00:19:28   right before right before right after [TS]

00:19:31   that the fed is like will you reconsider [TS]

00:19:32   and as we're looking at the plans being [TS]

00:19:35   burnt on a fire no it's not like you can [TS]

00:19:37   go to Backblaze and get another copy of [TS]

00:19:39   these things like this is it guys [TS]

00:19:40   literally yes I yeah I will reconsider [TS]

00:19:44   by reaching my hand into a fire to pull [TS]

00:19:47   out my yeah total call guys Thank sorry [TS]

00:19:50   that was refuse but totally do it Paul [TS]

00:19:52   Sorvino I want to mention because this [TS]

00:19:54   is one of my favorite things in this [TS]

00:19:55   movie every time one of the graves of [TS]

00:19:58   Paul sorvino's shocker I know he's a [TS]

00:20:00   gangster yeah I know I I know [TS]

00:20:02   I believe the Paul Sorvino might be [TS]

00:20:05   planning thanks dad I know the scene [TS]

00:20:06   you're gonna go you know what I'm going [TS]

00:20:08   to say right which is that at the end of [TS]

00:20:10   this movie one of the one of the big [TS]

00:20:11   turns that happens is that the gangsters [TS]

00:20:13   have been working for Timothy Dalton and [TS]

00:20:15   they get they get cliff cornered then [TS]

00:20:17   take away the jetpack and it's like oh [TS]

00:20:19   no what's going to happen with cliff and [TS]

00:20:21   they reveal that Timothy Dalton is [TS]

00:20:23   actually a Nazi and he's working with [TS]

00:20:24   all the all the other Nazis to steal the [TS]

00:20:27   jet plat pack because they want to take [TS]

00:20:28   over the world at which point the [TS]

00:20:30   gangsters say well but we're American [TS]

00:20:33   gangsters we don't like Nazis and they [TS]

00:20:35   turn on the Nazis it's such a it is both [TS]

00:20:38   like wonderful and absurd all together [TS]

00:20:42   which is like yes these are bad guys but [TS]

00:20:44   they're our bad guys they're not your [TS]

00:20:46   dad I think I may be crooked but i'm [TS]

00:20:49   amir i got a hundred percent american [TS]

00:20:51   the fantastic shot where he and the Fed [TS]

00:20:53   are next to each other shooting and then [TS]

00:20:56   they sort of pause and y'all can eat all [TS]

00:20:57   right angle shooting the Nazis and [TS]

00:21:00   you're like all right that's what kind [TS]

00:21:02   of movie this is yeah it's I mean it's [TS]

00:21:05   ridiculous and yet it's also like it [TS]

00:21:06   also is completely in the logic of it [TS]

00:21:08   right which is that there yeah they've [TS]

00:21:11   been hired to do a job and they're [TS]

00:21:12   mobsters and that's fine but then when [TS]

00:21:14   they realize they're working for the [TS]

00:21:15   Nazis they're like no no that's not it's [TS]

00:21:16   almost like a public service [TS]

00:21:17   announcement at that point where is like [TS]

00:21:19   I draw the line at working for the Nazis [TS]

00:21:21   and I think that's a good place to draw [TS]

00:21:24   the line guy I may not make it honest [TS]

00:21:26   buck but I'm one hundred percent of Mary [TS]

00:21:27   Mary guys that's amazing so good some [TS]

00:21:30   good Paul Sorvino in here for sure um [TS]

00:21:32   well it's okay let's talk about Timothy [TS]

00:21:35   Dalton he is Neville Sinclair he is a [TS]

00:21:37   film actor very serious he has an [TS]

00:21:39   English accent I mean he's he's Errol [TS]

00:21:41   until the end of the movie he has an [TS]

00:21:43   english movie until the inexact until [TS]

00:21:45   the best chili just start speaking with [TS]

00:21:47   a German accent cousins prevailed is [TS]

00:21:48   true love is bizarre the meeting would [TS]

00:21:52   sense it is acting well if he's got a [TS]

00:21:55   flawless engl English accent why would [TS]

00:21:57   he then go back to his English with a [TS]

00:21:59   German accent once he's uncovered just [TS]

00:22:01   to spite them it doesn't really make you [TS]

00:22:03   showing up Dalton Dalton is meadows cuz [TS]

00:22:05   he can relax now nice new colors finally [TS]

00:22:08   break and let down to how relaxing works [TS]

00:22:11   I always relax to the German exit I [TS]

00:22:14   don't know about yeah I I like Dalton as [TS]

00:22:16   a villain he has the right degree of [TS]

00:22:18   suavity and Menace am I years later [TS]

00:22:22   after this he would play a villain in [TS]

00:22:25   chuck is a one of the scene one of the [TS]

00:22:28   seasons of chuck in which he's actually [TS]

00:22:30   great because he goes from being this [TS]

00:22:32   sort of very he's supposed to be the [TS]

00:22:35   sort of friendly ish figure and it's [TS]

00:22:37   revealed at some point that he's a [TS]

00:22:38   villain but he's still kind of like [TS]

00:22:39   thinks he he think does one of those [TS]

00:22:41   great jobs of thinking he's a good guy [TS]

00:22:42   and he's just he's I think he's great in [TS]

00:22:45   this role this is during his James Bond [TS]

00:22:47   tenure I believe her he was then rented [TS]

00:22:49   and you know it's obviously a very [TS]

00:22:53   different side of it's kind of like you [TS]

00:22:57   have an inverse evil James Bond right [TS]

00:22:59   like he's still very charming and very [TS]

00:23:00   suave but he's kind of slimy in in you [TS]

00:23:03   can make there is info charming is he [TS]

00:23:06   swamp like it when when he brings when [TS]

00:23:08   he kidnaps Jenny and brings her back to [TS]

00:23:11   his like I don't know like that belly [TS]

00:23:13   move on the creepy for sure but that's [TS]

00:23:15   the thing like not it strikes me very [TS]

00:23:18   different as a 35 year old that it is a [TS]

00:23:20   10 year old that here he is he brings [TS]

00:23:23   like the kidnapping even as a [TS]

00:23:24   ten-year-old I realized that was [TS]

00:23:25   probably not cool but he brings the book [TS]

00:23:27   to his house and he has like this array [TS]

00:23:30   of women's clothing in like all shapes [TS]

00:23:33   wait am I waiting like I was gonna ask [TS]

00:23:34   you about that I estas it full of [TS]

00:23:36   women's clothes that I my notes is he is [TS]

00:23:39   a large selection of women's clothes I [TS]

00:23:42   am NOT gonna assume anything about his [TS]

00:23:44   life choices what he wants to dress as [TS]

00:23:46   is bad by Lauren just quoted mr. robot [TS]

00:23:49   at me she said that those those are my [TS]

00:23:51   sisters sure I thought I was a tiger but [TS]

00:23:55   he's got the creepy uses welcome to my [TS]

00:23:58   home not a good leaving when you've [TS]

00:24:00   kidnapped someone then he tries to play [TS]

00:24:01   the victim card and then he tries to [TS]

00:24:03   basically use movie lines which I [TS]

00:24:06   actually kind of love this guy is he is [TS]

00:24:09   he maybe he's suave but it's all the act [TS]

00:24:12   right it's right be like I only know how [TS]

00:24:14   to play this part so I'm going to I [TS]

00:24:16   don't even have any original lines i'm [TS]

00:24:17   just going to spew off lines i've used [TS]

00:24:19   in movies because that works in movies [TS]

00:24:21   Jenny doesn't want anything to do with [TS]

00:24:23   the two which is what i love is [TS]

00:24:24   that you know it's not the like standard [TS]

00:24:26   fare 00 Neville you know she calls him [TS]

00:24:30   out on it immediately which I which I [TS]

00:24:31   thought was fantastic so one of things I [TS]

00:24:33   really love about that scene it may be [TS]

00:24:34   my favorite seen the movie there's so [TS]

00:24:35   much going on it first off timothy [TS]

00:24:37   dalton has post chloroform moves which [TS]

00:24:42   is just absurd that's i bring my dates [TS]

00:24:46   home after having chloroform them then i [TS]

00:24:48   try to sweet-talk them which is totally [TS]

00:24:51   insane and then what's nice about what [TS]

00:24:54   what jenny does is i just realized that [TS]

00:24:57   jennifer connelly is playing jenny jenny [TS]

00:24:59   is Jenny we were all born in nineteen [TS]

00:25:01   seventy we're all called Jason and Jenny [TS]

00:25:03   um is she is she makes the line about [TS]

00:25:06   like you're old you're just quoting [TS]

00:25:07   lines from movies which is great but she [TS]

00:25:09   also is acting as as the you know the [TS]

00:25:14   girl in the month he would act in that [TS]

00:25:16   scenario and and then she is swimming [TS]

00:25:19   and then she comments like I finally I [TS]

00:25:21   finally she never was Neville and that [TS]

00:25:24   does i love that the whole thing is both [TS]

00:25:26   of those scenes are great because first [TS]

00:25:28   you have Tim a--they Dalton after she [TS]

00:25:29   agrees to try on the dress and she [TS]

00:25:31   disappears in the bathroom he like winks [TS]

00:25:33   at himself and then sexy teeth in the [TS]

00:25:35   mirror which is just such a perfect [TS]

00:25:37   encapsulation of that character and else [TS]

00:25:40   fake use and in the right my favorite [TS]

00:25:42   punctuation after she delivers the line [TS]

00:25:44   I finally play the seaman Neville [TS]

00:25:46   Sinclair she zips her true her dress [TS]

00:25:48   back up but it's it's clearly over mixed [TS]

00:25:51   because it's super loud but it is a [TS]

00:25:53   great punctuating zip it like yeah that [TS]

00:25:57   is done we rot we're finished with that [TS]

00:25:58   part we're moving on and the whole [TS]

00:26:00   reason that she needed him in there [TS]

00:26:01   ostensibly which obviously was an act [TS]

00:26:03   but was to help her you know get the [TS]

00:26:05   dress off and I'm zat the dress and and [TS]

00:26:07   here it is she clearly could have [TS]

00:26:08   handled it all on myself I and I also [TS]

00:26:10   loved earlier on when when he realizes [TS]

00:26:13   that Jenny is his tie to cliff who is [TS]

00:26:16   who has the rocket when he when he's [TS]

00:26:18   still in the in the like swashbuckling [TS]

00:26:21   acting mode and he has that just [TS]

00:26:23   preposterous wig on and he goes goes to [TS]

00:26:25   walk up to Jennie like fluffs this like [TS]

00:26:27   hearin aid of just ridiculous hair but [TS]

00:26:30   he has to fluff it before he walks up to [TS]

00:26:31   her like it really makes a difference [TS]

00:26:32   the man it's so good I mean keep in mind [TS]

00:26:35   that this is a guy who concealed his [TS]

00:26:37   secret [TS]

00:26:38   bookcase entrance behind the conquests [TS]

00:26:40   of casa oh man another thing I didn't [TS]

00:26:44   really appreciate until very reactive a [TS]

00:26:47   yeah definitely take some time I just [TS]

00:26:50   want to say one thing about the set [TS]

00:26:51   design oh I love his lair I love the [TS]

00:26:55   South Seas club I love the Bulldog cafe [TS]

00:26:58   all of this looks so good this looks [TS]

00:27:01   like what I imagined of these kind of [TS]

00:27:03   adventures when I was a kid I just I [TS]

00:27:05   love all the sets yeah you know I [TS]

00:27:07   commented to my wife when we were [TS]

00:27:08   watching this the other day that cliffs [TS]

00:27:11   leather jacket which if you look at it [TS]

00:27:14   and really think about it is a trust me [TS]

00:27:16   curious and terrible jacket but God does [TS]

00:27:19   just bill campbell pull it off so well [TS]

00:27:21   and i really really want one i really [TS]

00:27:23   get it like it looks as though there's a [TS]

00:27:25   series of buttons up the sides and then [TS]

00:27:28   across the top how does he get the [TS]

00:27:30   rocket pack on and/or off in any sort of [TS]

00:27:33   timely fashion with all these buttons in [TS]

00:27:34   the way like that must have taken an [TS]

00:27:35   hour that occurred to me too in the [TS]

00:27:37   another scene that I think is pulled [TS]

00:27:39   from Raiders which is when he goes back [TS]

00:27:41   in the south sea club he's running away [TS]

00:27:42   he runs back into the laundry room where [TS]

00:27:44   he stashed the rocket pack and where he [TS]

00:27:46   left it in a laundry bag and now there's [TS]

00:27:48   a bunch of laundry bags which is [TS]

00:27:49   basically the basket scene from Raiders [TS]

00:27:51   he's like diving in and trying to find [TS]

00:27:53   the right one but i agree with Casey [TS]

00:27:54   like I thought to myself there are a [TS]

00:27:56   couple scenes where he disappears that [TS]

00:27:57   comes back and he's like we've seen that [TS]

00:27:59   he puts it on and they like buttons the [TS]

00:28:01   thing over it and at one point that when [TS]

00:28:03   the Germans take it from him they [TS]

00:28:04   unbutton the like epaulets traps on his [TS]

00:28:07   shoulders to my god this thing must take [TS]

00:28:09   forever to get on and off it's like a [TS]

00:28:11   suit of armor usually don't want it to [TS]

00:28:12   fly off that would be awkward yeah yes [TS]

00:28:14   wrap it on securely so i have a question [TS]

00:28:16   that this is a little bit out of band [TS]

00:28:18   but i can't help but ask when when [TS]

00:28:20   Neville Sinclair accidentally stabs the [TS]

00:28:24   other actor oh yes swashbuckling scene [TS]

00:28:26   we were talking earlier about how this [TS]

00:28:28   film has like no superfluous bits [TS]

00:28:30   whatsoever and by and large I agree with [TS]

00:28:32   that but what was the purpose of the [TS]

00:28:34   stabbing of the of the other leading [TS]

00:28:36   actor what did that serve any purpose at [TS]

00:28:39   all it is to show how magnanimous he is [TS]

00:28:41   he's taking charge he makes sure [TS]

00:28:43   everything is set up get the ambulance [TS]

00:28:45   take him here to my personal doctor yeah [TS]

00:28:48   yeah you know um he's like I'm big man [TS]

00:28:50   on campus sir but there's something [TS]

00:28:51   about it that's slightly sinister as I [TS]

00:28:53   wrote in my notes because the illini guy [TS]

00:28:55   the guy says is did you think I was [TS]

00:28:57   stealing the scene and can't quite tell [TS]

00:29:00   if he's being like he doesn't seem like [TS]

00:29:02   he's joking like there's an edge to it [TS]

00:29:05   that makes it sound like oh I know you [TS]

00:29:07   stabbed me and I know you know you [TS]

00:29:09   stabbed me like it was done on purpose [TS]

00:29:11   you're you're a dick like it could be [TS]

00:29:14   that knowing that the Zeppelin is coming [TS]

00:29:17   and knowing that he's after the rocket [TS]

00:29:20   pack if he stabs his fellow leading [TS]

00:29:21   actor then there's time off from [TS]

00:29:23   shooting the movie ah there's nothing he [TS]

00:29:26   has to get to step away from well and [TS]

00:29:28   some of it is also as you point out [TS]

00:29:29   playing a role right because not a [TS]

00:29:31   flight two minutes after that we have [TS]

00:29:33   the scene where he's trying to chase [TS]

00:29:35   cliff down you know trying to find him [TS]

00:29:37   because he's overheard the conversation [TS]

00:29:38   about the rocket pack and he like starts [TS]

00:29:41   shoving all of the crew people aside as [TS]

00:29:44   he's running literally like bodily [TS]

00:29:45   shoving people it's like he's clearly [TS]

00:29:47   not a nice guy like that's an act yeah [TS]

00:29:51   what I love about that is it wouldn't be [TS]

00:29:54   that hard to get around any of these [TS]

00:29:55   people but he's like a mandolin all up [TS]

00:29:59   it's great do you think the extras of [TS]

00:30:02   that scene that had to do like the [TS]

00:30:03   overly emphasized infomercial style like [TS]

00:30:06   aggressive fall do you think after that [TS]

00:30:08   was over they said to their you know [TS]

00:30:09   spouse's or whatever I acted in the [TS]

00:30:12   scene with Timothy Dalton finally [TS]

00:30:14   updated mean with Timothy title yep [TS]

00:30:16   timothy zahn that that scene actually [TS]

00:30:22   also the scene on the hollywood said I [TS]

00:30:23   feel like has some of the better lines [TS]

00:30:25   in there were like more memorable lines [TS]

00:30:26   I enjoy the rapport between the director [TS]

00:30:29   or producer I don't know what his role [TS]

00:30:31   is and though the actress who can't act [TS]

00:30:34   um the acting is acting like you're not [TS]

00:30:37   acting right to do that yeah I I enjoy [TS]

00:30:40   that I enjoy some of the that her [TS]

00:30:45   terrible delivery the ladies in waiting [TS]

00:30:47   we're waiting [TS]

00:30:49   it's corny but it's it's super corny but [TS]

00:30:53   for whatever reason it's a nice comic [TS]

00:30:55   relief scene and of course the whole [TS]

00:30:56   thing is crib we mentioned the errol [TS]

00:30:58   flynn connection before but like this [TS]

00:31:00   whole thing is clearly click crib from [TS]

00:31:01   robin hood Oh in arilinn pitch perfect [TS]

00:31:04   anyway it's looks so good it looks in [TS]

00:31:07   fact for years I thought it was supposed [TS]

00:31:10   to be that movie because I'd only like [TS]

00:31:12   seeing the clips well I love I want to [TS]

00:31:15   know more about the Laughing bandit I'm [TS]

00:31:17   like yeah I want to see that movie where [TS]

00:31:19   is that movie its original sorry now you [TS]

00:31:22   know it's spoiler let me take a break to [TS]

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00:33:09   now I will be quiet about this for [TS]

00:33:11   another year somebody mentioned the set [TS]

00:33:14   design was that you David set design [TS]

00:33:16   early out I like the set design some of [TS]

00:33:18   the sets feel almost amusement park like [TS]

00:33:22   to me like more like a ride of his music [TS]

00:33:25   work they're like oh maybe a little too [TS]

00:33:26   Sethi for me I mean they look they vary [TS]

00:33:30   their their stylized and their art deco [TS]

00:33:32   and their period and it's all it's all [TS]

00:33:34   fine but but some of them work better [TS]

00:33:36   than others I do enjoy the South Seas [TS]

00:33:38   club and the scene there where Billy [TS]

00:33:43   Campbell is the world's worst waiter is [TS]

00:33:47   especially enjoyable I feel like he [TS]

00:33:50   improved some of that like the scene [TS]

00:33:52   where he like starts just messing with [TS]

00:33:54   the flowers oh it's so bad it's so bad [TS]

00:33:56   he's just fluffing the flowers yeah I [TS]

00:33:59   really love what are you yeah what are [TS]

00:34:01   you doing I don't know I'm not a waiter [TS]

00:34:03   in the soup that just he brings soup and [TS]

00:34:05   it's like I'll give you a note and then [TS]

00:34:06   I'll put cine slops the soup everywhere [TS]

00:34:08   and then he's told to go away and then [TS]

00:34:10   he decides to rearrange the flowers a [TS]

00:34:12   little bit likely because it's it's a [TS]

00:34:14   bad plan and he executed badly and [TS]

00:34:17   that's fine if that's not what he's [TS]

00:34:19   supposed to be like he doesn't know what [TS]

00:34:21   he's doing he is just coming up with [TS]

00:34:23   this on the spot and in that sense it [TS]

00:34:25   works perfectly like you know meet me by [TS]

00:34:28   the big fish it's nothing and then you [TS]

00:34:33   like when she walks by the plants you [TS]

00:34:35   like those it's almost like a cartoonish [TS]

00:34:36   like what into the hand like it's funny [TS]

00:34:39   to me though that uh that it was in this [TS]

00:34:41   scene that was the second gratuitous [TS]

00:34:44   shot of Jennifer Connelly's chest in a [TS]

00:34:46   Disney film which I thought was a little [TS]

00:34:48   bit ridiculous which also probably [TS]

00:34:50   contributed to my complicated feelings [TS]

00:34:52   as a ten-year-old but but it seems an [TS]

00:34:55   extremely tasteless and unnecessary big [TS]

00:34:58   right it was kind of comical that would [TS]

00:35:01   when the what's the WC Fields whatever [TS]

00:35:03   says you're double a charmed but really [TS]

00:35:06   unnecessary in the great I things [TS]

00:35:08   definitely did not like get that as a [TS]

00:35:11   kid like watching this movie I didn't [TS]

00:35:13   really understand entirely the innuendo [TS]

00:35:14   of it but yeah I agree for [TS]

00:35:16   Disney movie it seems unnecessarily [TS]

00:35:18   crude like Pixar I can't think of an [TS]

00:35:21   example where Pixar is crude but when [TS]

00:35:24   you have that like adults only joke in a [TS]

00:35:26   Pixar film yellow the modern era it's [TS]

00:35:29   it's much more tastefully done whereas [TS]

00:35:32   this was just straight-up crude like you [TS]

00:35:33   said well I mean I would compare this [TS]

00:35:36   more probably the like Roger Rabbit than [TS]

00:35:38   a Pixar film sure that's fair but yeah I [TS]

00:35:41   think the soup scenes one of my favorite [TS]

00:35:43   scenes and that was what we named we do [TS]

00:35:46   you focus episode we called a very [TS]

00:35:48   classy suit because it seems like such a [TS]

00:35:50   ridiculous thing that he would wheel / [TS]

00:35:53   soup that's from a fan like what what [TS]

00:35:56   fans as you see TT yeah you find a soup [TS]

00:36:00   into a terrine of tomato soup of like [TS]

00:36:03   campbell's soup there's its Billy can't [TS]

00:36:06   Billy Campbell Pete Campbell's yeah oh [TS]

00:36:08   my god it's all making sense now I'll [TS]

00:36:11   meet you over by the fish I do enjoy all [TS]

00:36:14   the scenes at the at the South Seas club [TS]

00:36:16   as well from the giant clam which he [TS]

00:36:20   gets knocked over in the subsequent [TS]

00:36:22   action scene to the the music actually [TS]

00:36:24   which is a kid I think I kind of skipped [TS]

00:36:26   over but the the I really actually love [TS]

00:36:28   some of the songs and I think as we [TS]

00:36:30   noted in one of our discussions earlier [TS]

00:36:32   that's the actress Melora Hardin who's [TS]

00:36:33   actually singing and is on stage there [TS]

00:36:37   and it's a really good delivery of those [TS]

00:36:41   although even if you're Timothy Dalton I [TS]

00:36:44   don't recommend trying the don't you [TS]

00:36:46   hear the music I'm not a good move that [TS]

00:36:50   is not a good move never not work I I [TS]

00:36:52   will admit i actually went out and got [TS]

00:36:55   the soundtrack at the time just for just [TS]

00:36:58   for her singing partly because her first [TS]

00:37:00   appearance she's singing a Cole Porter [TS]

00:37:02   song and that was the way to my heart in [TS]

00:37:03   1991 oh okay let's let's talk some more [TS]

00:37:06   hardened by the way if people don't [TS]

00:37:07   recognize that name you may remember her [TS]

00:37:09   as GN from the office that's where I [TS]

00:37:10   think a lot of people know her the the [TS]

00:37:13   soundtrack though talking about that so [TS]

00:37:15   this is this is james horner midway [TS]

00:37:18   between Star Trek to the wrath of khan [TS]

00:37:19   and titanic and i have to say there are [TS]

00:37:23   there is at least one Q in this movie [TS]

00:37:26   that is lifted straight from Star Trek [TS]

00:37:28   to it is not even [TS]

00:37:30   and a lot of the cues are very much in [TS]

00:37:34   fact I got and I wasn't offended by I [TS]

00:37:36   was kind of excited of like oh wow there [TS]

00:37:38   is extra music that I could just put in [TS]

00:37:39   my star trek to the wrath of khan [TS]

00:37:41   soundtrack playlist cuz it's basically [TS]

00:37:42   the same and then there's a couple [TS]

00:37:44   moments that I I'm like oh am I see [TS]

00:37:46   where he's going with Titanic and ten [TS]

00:37:48   years right James Horner is kind of [TS]

00:37:50   infamous among score composers for [TS]

00:37:52   lifting his own stuff he does it a lot I [TS]

00:37:55   have many of his soundtracks and a lot [TS]

00:37:58   of them borrow heavily from each other [TS]

00:38:00   that said this is one of my favorites of [TS]

00:38:03   his scores and I've had it I've owned [TS]

00:38:04   the CD of it for 20-odd years and it's [TS]

00:38:07   because for no other reason than that [TS]

00:38:09   second the second track on the CD which [TS]

00:38:11   is basically covers the rescue of [TS]

00:38:13   Malcolm The Rocketeer theme in of itself [TS]

00:38:15   is a fantastic piece of music this [TS]

00:38:18   entire genre i think is yeah great huh [TS]

00:38:20   but that in particular is a standout [TS]

00:38:23   every time I watch it I walk away [TS]

00:38:24   humming the theme it's yet such a good [TS]

00:38:27   solid hero theme in a way that a lot of [TS]

00:38:31   I think you know I put this up against [TS]

00:38:33   you know we've talked about Captain [TS]

00:38:34   America briefly in Joe Johnston's role [TS]

00:38:36   in that I'm hard pressed you pick out a [TS]

00:38:38   theme in that movie which is kind of [TS]

00:38:40   disappointing to me because I feel like [TS]

00:38:41   it should have a very strong definitive [TS]

00:38:43   one and this score blows that and pretty [TS]

00:38:46   much every Marvel movie score out of the [TS]

00:38:49   water yep yeah and you know I'm not a [TS]

00:38:51   terribly sophisticated film watcher [TS]

00:38:52   which means I have no business being on [TS]

00:38:54   this program right now but what what [TS]

00:38:56   struck me about this soundtrack was that [TS]

00:38:58   it was so well it lends itself so well [TS]

00:39:01   to the happy moments the sad moments the [TS]

00:39:03   intense moments and it was the same [TS]

00:39:05   general riff that was used and not all [TS]

00:39:08   the entire way through the movie but in [TS]

00:39:09   so many different scenes throughout the [TS]

00:39:10   movie and and and just like you guys [TS]

00:39:12   said yeah when the when the opening [TS]

00:39:15   scene happens when the Walt Disney [TS]

00:39:16   Pictures presents whatever it is is [TS]

00:39:18   shown on screen and then the then the [TS]

00:39:20   the hangar doors part in the you know [TS]

00:39:22   the words part with it and you hear that [TS]

00:39:25   that opening riff like that that just [TS]

00:39:26   immediately puts me in the mood for this [TS]

00:39:29   movie and it's just it's constant [TS]

00:39:31   throughout the whole movie now sometimes [TS]

00:39:32   it's intense sometimes it's not [TS]

00:39:33   sometimes it's happy sometimes it's sad [TS]

00:39:35   but it's still that same riff and oh god [TS]

00:39:37   I think it's just so so well done [TS]

00:39:40   called a motif yes indeed one of my [TS]

00:39:42   favorite cues from this movie though is [TS]

00:39:44   another I feel like I can't tell [TS]

00:39:47   entirely if it's a hunter pretend [TS]

00:39:48   intentional but the scene where at the [TS]

00:39:50   very end Sinclair takes the jetpack [TS]

00:39:52   flies off and it starts to explode there [TS]

00:39:56   is a high-pitched string section that I [TS]

00:39:58   am convinced is an homage to the end of [TS]

00:40:01   Raiders where the there were they open [TS]

00:40:03   the ark what's the immolation if you [TS]

00:40:06   listen to the sound of the like they are [TS]

00:40:08   very very close and again with this [TS]

00:40:12   movie pulling so much from from Raiders [TS]

00:40:14   in terms of thematic and like tonal [TS]

00:40:16   stuff I would not at all be surprised [TS]

00:40:18   that that was done as sort of a tip of [TS]

00:40:20   the hat leave a mission radios few times [TS]

00:40:22   but you guys know Johnson worked on yeah [TS]

00:40:26   he was a second unit director ed our art [TS]

00:40:30   director our director ok yeah and I [TS]

00:40:33   think effects at ILM but I have to check [TS]

00:40:36   yep I believe so yeah oh it's funny you [TS]

00:40:39   bring up the ilm because I was just [TS]

00:40:41   thinking to myself that even though [TS]

00:40:43   these special effects are very clearly [TS]

00:40:46   like particularly the rocketeer when [TS]

00:40:48   he's flying is clearly stop motion I [TS]

00:40:51   actually am not terribly bothered by it [TS]

00:40:54   even in 2017 like it's it's not flawless [TS]

00:40:58   by any stretch but it's not in the [TS]

00:41:00   uncanny valley either that's so many [TS]

00:41:02   older films like this one jeez [TS]

00:41:04   unfortunately is now is they it's it's [TS]

00:41:08   in that ok area where yeah ok it's it's [TS]

00:41:10   a little bit corny but it works I don't [TS]

00:41:13   know if you guys felt the same way or if [TS]

00:41:14   you were deeply offended by the stop [TS]

00:41:15   motion but I'm okay with it for me I [TS]

00:41:18   come from theater right I'm used to [TS]

00:41:20   suspending disbelief I you know I know I [TS]

00:41:22   can't do a guy flying through the air [TS]

00:41:24   over the audience in the theater but for [TS]

00:41:28   me it's the story it's the characters if [TS]

00:41:29   that works for me i can overlook cheesy [TS]

00:41:32   effects i can overlook stop motion and [TS]

00:41:34   this isn't that bad for all that i like [TS]

00:41:37   you know the the propulsion of the look [TS]

00:41:40   a rocket pack a jetpack is not a thing [TS]

00:41:42   that would make any sense in physics I'm [TS]

00:41:44   sorry to tell everybody it kind of [TS]

00:41:46   doesn't make any sense and so really [TS]

00:41:48   what the hell you say what use made it [TS]

00:41:51   we talked about Joe Johnson directing [TS]

00:41:53   Captain America and when that was [TS]

00:41:55   announced I thought oh that's perfect [TS]

00:41:56   because it is one of the things I love [TS]

00:41:58   that movie and one of the reasons I love [TS]

00:41:59   it is because it is a period piece that [TS]

00:42:01   embraces the kind of the tropes of the [TS]

00:42:04   period and like like The Rocketeer it is [TS]

00:42:06   a perfect was a perfect choice but in [TS]

00:42:08   this one the just like a superhero power [TS]

00:42:11   the rocket pack kind of all you really [TS]

00:42:13   want to do is have it feel exciting and [TS]

00:42:17   and you just got to put aside the fact [TS]

00:42:19   that that no that's not how a rocket [TS]

00:42:21   pack would actually look because it [TS]

00:42:23   would not it doesn't make any sense and [TS]

00:42:25   so for me there's some logic to like [TS]

00:42:27   he's zipping around he's flying around [TS]

00:42:28   and he kind of steers and he gets where [TS]

00:42:30   he needs to be and it's like it's enough [TS]

00:42:32   for me to make sense of it and accept it [TS]

00:42:34   and just kind of be like cuz cuz really [TS]

00:42:37   the moment that I started questioning [TS]

00:42:38   the the veracity of the portrayal of a [TS]

00:42:42   freakin rocket pack it's like come on [TS]

00:42:44   lately gets a rocket packets if there is [TS]

00:42:47   no real with the rocket pack so I accept [TS]

00:42:50   that it's just it looks great it's funny [TS]

00:42:51   zipping around sure it's a jetpack when [TS]

00:42:55   they go to all the trouble of saying [TS]

00:42:56   okay now now you have the helmet [TS]

00:42:58   wherever you turn your head that's where [TS]

00:43:00   you steer and you're gonna go that way [TS]

00:43:02   and then it almost never works that way [TS]

00:43:04   if you watch carefully especially when [TS]

00:43:06   he's flying around in the club no I [TS]

00:43:08   don't point out how that if you're [TS]

00:43:09   flying like hundreds or thousands of [TS]

00:43:12   feet up in the air and you have a [TS]

00:43:13   problem your metal helmet will not save [TS]

00:43:16   you okay will not make a damn bit of [TS]

00:43:20   difference as every reviewer at the time [TS]

00:43:22   also pointed out his feet would catch on [TS]

00:43:24   fire right weight is back well I figure [TS]

00:43:28   that's actually that's one of the things [TS]

00:43:28   I really like about them testing so one [TS]

00:43:30   of the things that happens in this movie [TS]

00:43:31   is they saw I saw down a statue and they [TS]

00:43:34   attach the jtag the statue of Charles [TS]

00:43:36   Lindbergh yeah and I like that because [TS]

00:43:38   that's like thee is this gonna set me on [TS]

00:43:40   fire test and the answers don't know for [TS]

00:43:42   some reason the jets that are shooting [TS]

00:43:44   out right at my butt are it's not a [TS]

00:43:47   problem and they make the point of [TS]

00:43:49   saying it's still cool how are you right [TS]

00:43:51   Howard Hughes man what's hilarious about [TS]

00:43:53   that is there's the scene if you pay [TS]

00:43:55   attention to the scene where he's flying [TS]

00:43:56   around inside the South Seas club [TS]

00:43:58   there's he's flying over the tables the [TS]

00:44:00   tables are bursting in Japanese [TS]

00:44:03   that you're like wait if its speed art [TS]

00:44:06   Catching Fire how the hell did that work [TS]

00:44:08   and that's his suit is like that it's [TS]

00:44:10   just sure surely gonna do that the scene [TS]

00:44:13   where he's climbing up the laundry chute [TS]

00:44:14   and he turns the engines on and you're [TS]

00:44:16   like everybody in that theme would [TS]

00:44:18   immediately burn to death I gotta say [TS]

00:44:23   though to build on Timon what you were [TS]

00:44:24   saying a moment ago like how cool does [TS]

00:44:26   this rocket pack look again a [TS]

00:44:27   ten-year-old oh my word this was the [TS]

00:44:30   coolest movie device I think I'd seen in [TS]

00:44:31   my whole ten years of living it was [TS]

00:44:34   amazing the best vacuum cleaner I've [TS]

00:44:36   ever seen what you guys I mean I love [TS]

00:44:40   pointing out and I've gotten to where [TS]

00:44:42   I've trained the boys to figure this out [TS]

00:44:44   when they're watching something the [TS]

00:44:46   Chekhov's gun rule that if something is [TS]

00:44:48   if they make a point of pointing out [TS]

00:44:49   something it will be important later [TS]

00:44:51   right up in the beginning chewing gum [TS]

00:44:54   isn't gonna keep your ass up in the air [TS]

00:44:55   and of course chewing gum is like the [TS]

00:44:58   thing for the rest of the movie well i [TS]

00:45:00   was getting i had a bunch of notes about [TS]

00:45:02   the gum because i think it's funny how [TS]

00:45:04   it is one most consistent plot points in [TS]

00:45:06   the movie yeah cuz the very first scene [TS]

00:45:07   he sticks it on the back of the the [TS]

00:45:09   rudder of his lane before he takes off [TS]

00:45:10   and it's clearly like a good luck thing [TS]

00:45:13   right peavey pulls it off and what [TS]

00:45:14   happens he crashes the play he says what [TS]

00:45:17   do you want to do crash and then he [TS]

00:45:18   sticks the rihanna right before right [TS]

00:45:20   after he puts it on the rudder and and [TS]

00:45:22   just like you said Peavy takes it off [TS]

00:45:23   and then sure enough he crashed crashes [TS]

00:45:25   but I love that it's used to plug the [TS]

00:45:27   bullet hole in the rocket actly and then [TS]

00:45:29   it becomes the operative part at the end [TS]

00:45:31   where he played peels it off and that's [TS]

00:45:33   how Neville Sinclair blows himself up [TS]

00:45:34   and then we get Howard Hughes tosses him [TS]

00:45:36   a pack of gum at the end and like don't [TS]

00:45:39   fly without this and you're like it's a [TS]

00:45:40   fish where if this were an actual gum [TS]

00:45:42   brand that we're still sold this would [TS]

00:45:44   be product placement and and I am so [TS]

00:45:46   proud that my 15 year old pointed out [TS]

00:45:48   does that make it Chekhov's gum oh [TS]

00:45:51   that's my boy Joe I think we need your [TS]

00:45:56   diagnosis on the jet pack what do you [TS]

00:45:58   think about the jetpack scenes I think [TS]

00:46:00   it's fine and and the puppet that they [TS]

00:46:03   used is is all right they don't get too [TS]

00:46:05   close to the puppet yeah which is [TS]

00:46:06   something you shouldn't do with puppets [TS]

00:46:08   but I think the thing that holds it back [TS]

00:46:10   is this is right on the cusp of when [TS]

00:46:12   movies were moving from optical [TS]

00:46:14   compositing to digital compositing [TS]

00:46:17   so there there are some unpleasant Matt [TS]

00:46:19   lines and integration issues in a couple [TS]

00:46:21   scenes it's not so bad as it is in a few [TS]

00:46:25   other titles you could probably come up [TS]

00:46:27   with and they fill late 90s but uh I'm [TS]

00:46:29   sorry in the late eighties and early [TS]

00:46:30   nineties but it does it does hold it [TS]

00:46:34   back from being really very good instead [TS]

00:46:38   so I would say that that's a that's a [TS]

00:46:40   negative there's also the model work for [TS]

00:46:41   the Zeppelin was up when I'm which is [TS]

00:46:43   which is an unexpected fun moment that [TS]

00:46:46   you get to see the Zeppelin and it [TS]

00:46:48   explodes in a way that doesn't make any [TS]

00:46:50   sense and they're like I think that I [TS]

00:46:53   think there's a series of hydrogen [TS]

00:46:54   chambers from the front to the back and [TS]

00:46:56   they're igniting one by one exploding [TS]

00:46:58   that's I think actually a design for [TS]

00:47:02   Zeppelin's you know oh the humanity we [TS]

00:47:05   have to say also are those implants yes [TS]

00:47:07   so why would we not love this movie [TS]

00:47:08   there is epling xin it but my 15 year [TS]

00:47:11   old when this is like the ultimate [TS]

00:47:12   incomparable adventure moon when I'm [TS]

00:47:14   yeah the Zeppelin has a couple of my [TS]

00:47:17   favorite bits on it including my [TS]

00:47:18   favorite this is the finest pilot and [TS]

00:47:20   all of Germany working great it's a deal [TS]

00:47:25   with the guy just like ah falls out and [TS]

00:47:27   everybody stares at the wheels Vinnie [TS]

00:47:29   back and forth great comic timing moment [TS]

00:47:32   lothar is Keith Lothar is a great he's [TS]

00:47:35   like the he's the walk out what's the [TS]

00:47:38   guy's name from die hard Alexander good [TS]

00:47:41   no Alexander good enough he's the like I [TS]

00:47:43   won't the the henchmen who won't die [TS]

00:47:45   right that's if probably the TV Tropes [TS]

00:47:47   name in that like you keep thinking he's [TS]

00:47:50   been dispatched and of course he keeps [TS]

00:47:51   coming back so outlandish more like jaws [TS]

00:47:54   from a gem from the James go gay yeah [TS]

00:47:56   yeah that's good captain yeah especially [TS]

00:47:58   with the the heavy prosthetic mask thing [TS]

00:48:01   yeah doesn't move it's we're all like a [TS]

00:48:04   couple of scenes were that's an issue [TS]

00:48:06   yeah watching this couple days ago it [TS]

00:48:08   was striking how bad the like dubs or [TS]

00:48:11   whatever or how much his face was not [TS]

00:48:13   moving when he was taught ostensibly [TS]

00:48:15   talking yeah it was rough but bringing [TS]

00:48:17   up Lothar one of my favorite pieces of [TS]

00:48:20   trivia about this movie is that when [TS]

00:48:22   cliff I think after the Malcolm rescue [TS]

00:48:24   is is whizzing through like a cornfield [TS]

00:48:27   or some sort of field well it's an [TS]

00:48:28   orange grove I think in a corn [TS]

00:48:30   you know jason is a token California [TS]

00:48:32   directly adjacent Justin show both [TS]

00:48:34   actually but anyway um he's whizzing [TS]

00:48:36   through all this and uh in in all of a [TS]

00:48:38   sudden you see these two like farmers [TS]

00:48:40   and one of them a shorter one says big [TS]

00:48:42   gopher gopher well the other farmer is [TS]

00:48:44   Lothar apparently which if you look [TS]

00:48:47   closely yeah you can realize it but I [TS]

00:48:49   never knew that until I went Leo looking [TS]

00:48:51   through IMDb a few years ago and sure [TS]

00:48:53   enough the taller of the two farmers I [TS]

00:48:55   think he does not say big gopher he's [TS]

00:48:57   the other one that's Lothar or whatever [TS]

00:48:59   time I brought whatever the doctors [TS]

00:49:00   names my my favorite cameo is Dave [TS]

00:49:03   Stevens creator The Rocketeer appears in [TS]

00:49:05   the propaganda Nazi propaganda film he's [TS]

00:49:07   the german test pilot who blows up in [TS]

00:49:11   the film I didn't know that that's [TS]

00:49:13   awesome yeah which that plot that [TS]

00:49:15   propaganda film was really well done [TS]

00:49:16   kind of grace scarily well done I love [TS]

00:49:19   that film so much just the animation the [TS]

00:49:22   not you know the typical the Nazis [TS]

00:49:24   spreading out over Europe first Europe [TS]

00:49:26   then the world and the animated flying [TS]

00:49:30   soldier that's realistic goods really [TS]

00:49:32   some movie German just like writers a [TS]

00:49:34   Lost Ark some very good high school [TS]

00:49:35   German happening in it why I mean it's [TS]

00:49:38   it's convenient that they had a pretty [TS]

00:49:39   decent animation studio to work with [TS]

00:49:41   just saying uh-huh no it's it's nice and [TS]

00:49:44   they do some people Nazi rocket man are [TS]

00:49:47   gonna take over the world and again you [TS]

00:49:49   know people died getting that out [TS]

00:49:50   getting that cartoon out of Germany so [TS]

00:49:52   one thing I think every time I watch [TS]

00:49:54   this movie I wish Joe Johnston had [TS]

00:49:57   directed the shadow I still like the [TS]

00:49:58   shadow I mean I styes to like the shadow [TS]

00:50:00   it's imperfect but I like it but I wish [TS]

00:50:02   he had directed it would have been much [TS]

00:50:04   better I like the guy who yells at [TS]

00:50:08   sinclair in german a lot on the zeppelin [TS]

00:50:11   who had my notes is called the cheap [TS]

00:50:13   tote imitator from except of course he [TS]

00:50:16   just gets thrown out of the other [TS]

00:50:17   zeppelin only needed to drop ballast why [TS]

00:50:19   wouldn't you toke egg there's the weight [TS]

00:50:22   i do enjoy the the the whole premise [TS]

00:50:25   that the the German Zeppelin is on a [TS]

00:50:28   tour but they're going to use it to get [TS]

00:50:31   this jetpack and the Zeppelin goes down [TS]

00:50:34   in flames because that's what happened [TS]

00:50:36   with Zeppelin's and and it does it over [TS]

00:50:39   Griffiths observe Griffith Observatory [TS]

00:50:40   apparently and it's just it's just of [TS]

00:50:43   course there [TS]

00:50:44   Zeppelin at the hollywood sign and a [TS]

00:50:46   climactic thing and yes they just it [TS]

00:50:48   that's how the land got knocked off the [TS]

00:50:49   Hollywood land sign right I mean it's [TS]

00:50:53   just of course of course this is how the [TS]

00:50:55   movie ends with a Zeppelin flaming [TS]

00:50:57   Zeppelin another Raiders pastiche is the [TS]

00:51:00   fight between cliff and Lothar on top of [TS]

00:51:02   the Zeppelin which is like the fight [TS]

00:51:04   with a good big bruiser while the [TS]

00:51:06   airplane in raleys even got a wrench [TS]

00:51:07   ranch yup down yeah I like the line you [TS]

00:51:12   know when he when cliff is fighting [TS]

00:51:14   Neville in the Zeppelin the where's your [TS]

00:51:17   stunt man now Sinclair so good to my own [TS]

00:51:19   stunts one one one thing I really love [TS]

00:51:23   them this is that you know it builds to [TS]

00:51:24   this impossible thing right the rocket [TS]

00:51:26   pack is gone there are no parachutes the [TS]

00:51:29   the Zeppelin's going down and you know [TS]

00:51:31   what are they gonna do and all of a [TS]

00:51:33   sudden howard hughes in pv show up just [TS]

00:51:36   because why where and you know so he get [TS]

00:51:39   he actually gets to save the day which [TS]

00:51:40   is now lower the lower the ladder the [TS]

00:51:43   ladder that um that gyrocopter thing [TS]

00:51:45   actually appears in the comic as well [TS]

00:51:47   but it's not connected to howard hughes [TS]

00:51:50   at all but yeah it's a the thing so one [TS]

00:51:53   thing that we have talked about that i [TS]

00:51:54   want to mention too is the there there [TS]

00:51:55   is a lot of stuff especially early on [TS]

00:51:57   between Billy Campbell and Alan Arkin [TS]

00:51:59   who we haven't really talked about Alan [TS]

00:52:01   Arkin it's a fun part he's the he's [TS]

00:52:04   Peavy he's the mentor and there's lots [TS]

00:52:07   of uh I love that kind of like they've [TS]

00:52:10   got a plan they got this they got the [TS]

00:52:13   plane they're working on they're gonna [TS]

00:52:15   have a system they're gonna this is how [TS]

00:52:17   they're making their money and they're [TS]

00:52:18   like they enjoy being like aircraft [TS]

00:52:20   mechanics and racers and all of that and [TS]

00:52:23   that feels I i love the quaintness of [TS]

00:52:26   that because that that's like from an [TS]

00:52:28   era where airplanes were just an [TS]

00:52:31   incredible novelty and that's for a [TS]

00:52:34   while that was a thing you could be is [TS]

00:52:36   just like an airplane mechanic and racer [TS]

00:52:39   whether that was ever really the case or [TS]

00:52:42   not it feels very you know early 20th [TS]

00:52:45   century story it was I've done research [TS]

00:52:48   on this for another project and it's it [TS]

00:52:51   is a fascinating thing to look into the [TS]

00:52:53   the barnstorming and the early days of [TS]

00:52:56   airline air [TS]

00:52:57   planes sort of a subculture here like a [TS]

00:53:00   ham radio subculture some things that [TS]

00:53:02   this is the the airplane mechanic and [TS]

00:53:04   fly and races and wear dress up like a [TS]

00:53:07   clown and flyer and and that's that's [TS]

00:53:10   something that back when I you know the [TS]

00:53:11   first few times I saw this I didn't have [TS]

00:53:13   that basis if you know it felt authentic [TS]

00:53:15   it felt like okay you know it's great [TS]

00:53:16   and the more I've read the word I've [TS]

00:53:18   looked into this and it's like wow they [TS]

00:53:20   really nailed that that really works and [TS]

00:53:23   and i love the chemistry between [TS]

00:53:25   campbell and arc and i love whatever it [TS]

00:53:29   is alan arkin is doing with his accent [TS]

00:53:31   because that's not his normal speaking [TS]

00:53:32   voice it's just delightful no he's got [TS]

00:53:34   thee it's got a slight accent do and I [TS]

00:53:36   really enjoy the folks eNOS of it yes my [TS]

00:53:39   favorite line from him is cliff when you [TS]

00:53:41   borrow something to know tell a buddy [TS]

00:53:43   they call it yeah oh here's the best [TS]

00:53:46   lines in the whole yeah it does have the [TS]

00:53:48   best lines in the movie I think we're [TS]

00:53:49   gonna need a helmet like it at the end [TS]

00:53:51   when they're when they're having the big [TS]

00:53:53   romantic kiss new 0 he's describing the [TS]

00:53:55   plans velasquez hey are you over there [TS]

00:53:58   how about we look at the holidays got [TS]

00:54:00   his his um I really want to know his [TS]

00:54:03   backstory cuz he talks about bit you [TS]

00:54:04   know cliff makes fun of him for not [TS]

00:54:06   having had a date in years he's like ah [TS]

00:54:07   this flora Maxwell wasn't a point dating [TS]

00:54:10   anybody after her and you like ma'am [TS]

00:54:11   what is this guy's story like what was [TS]

00:54:14   he doing the funny thing about the the [TS]

00:54:17   Aeronautics and all that is that the the [TS]

00:54:20   racer the gb that that they were I guess [TS]

00:54:23   building or or you know preparing for [TS]

00:54:25   nationals that was a real thing it was a [TS]

00:54:27   gb model z and apparently it was [TS]

00:54:29   impossibly hard to fly and I don't [TS]

00:54:31   recall the specifics but I looked into [TS]

00:54:33   this a couple years ago when i went [TS]

00:54:34   spelunking into Rocketeer trivia and and [TS]

00:54:37   i guess it is a real thing and it was [TS]

00:54:39   very very difficult to fly and that's [TS]

00:54:42   why it was such a big deal in the [TS]

00:54:44   beginning that cliff was taking this up [TS]

00:54:46   and taking it for its first flight and [TS]

00:54:47   whatnot because it was it was renowned [TS]

00:54:50   apparently for killing its pilots so you [TS]

00:54:53   know this is not doing a good job [TS]

00:54:55   because i don't think anyone really knew [TS]

00:54:56   that trivia but it's it's kind of [TS]

00:54:58   establishing a cliff as you know like a [TS]

00:55:00   cracker yeah that's better word for a [TS]

00:55:04   daredevil pilot yeah i think it's the [TS]

00:55:06   one of the things that they don't [TS]

00:55:08   normally talk about is that if you fly [TS]

00:55:10   your plane [TS]

00:55:11   or a car chase it's going to get shot [TS]

00:55:13   you're gonna probably have trouble [TS]

00:55:16   because I like that cuz then he comes [TS]

00:55:17   back to the air feelings like oh that [TS]

00:55:19   doesn't look good and there's smoke [TS]

00:55:20   coming out of it's like they don't even [TS]

00:55:22   know he flew over a car chase and the [TS]

00:55:24   bullets written riddle book the bottom [TS]

00:55:26   of this plane that's why it's in trouble [TS]

00:55:28   and then of course you know it's [TS]

00:55:29   collapses on the AMA as its landing and [TS]

00:55:32   the landing gear go flying and it skids [TS]

00:55:35   in on its belly and is destroyed I love [TS]

00:55:37   the shot where he has to punch the [TS]

00:55:38   cockpit yeah yeah because you can see [TS]

00:55:40   you know and that is it's sort of like [TS]

00:55:43   again sort of a throwback to like I [TS]

00:55:45   think of Lindbergh you know flying [TS]

00:55:46   spirit of st. Louis which did not have a [TS]

00:55:48   windshield essentially and if you wanted [TS]

00:55:50   to see where he's going yet to stick his [TS]

00:55:51   head out the side like you know that [TS]

00:55:54   with all the things we take for granted [TS]

00:55:55   in a modern day aircraft right are not [TS]

00:55:57   present here because this is a the 1930s [TS]

00:56:00   and it is dangerous it is still kind of [TS]

00:56:03   untested and even though we do have like [TS]

00:56:05   we do have like that brief commercial [TS]

00:56:07   airliner that he flies by on his first [TS]

00:56:09   trip as the rocketeer you know a this is [TS]

00:56:13   the unexplored frontier of this era and [TS]

00:56:16   I really enjoy that part of it yo [TS]

00:56:17   speaking of hardware and tangentially [TS]

00:56:20   related to set design one thing I [TS]

00:56:21   noticed when I watch this a couple days [TS]

00:56:22   ago is that like every car in this movie [TS]

00:56:25   has suicide doors which is so here and [TS]

00:56:28   such like a 30 s era thing to have these [TS]

00:56:31   doors that open your kind of behind you [TS]

00:56:33   instead of pivoting in front of you and [TS]

00:56:35   I don't know why that struck me so that [TS]

00:56:37   what did when I watched it this week but [TS]

00:56:39   it's just such it's something you never [TS]

00:56:41   see and in fact the the the car that I [TS]

00:56:44   forget the guy's name but the one who [TS]

00:56:45   ended up playing a role in deep space 9 [TS]

00:56:47   not only to save suicide doors but has a [TS]

00:56:49   rumble seat in the battle how freakin [TS]

00:56:51   cool is that I it feels like they were [TS]

00:56:53   like what what can we do to convey that [TS]

00:56:55   this isn't not like the old days as much [TS]

00:56:58   as possible I thought you're gonna [TS]

00:56:59   mention the hardware also from the the [TS]

00:57:01   weaponry my two favorite weaponry notes1 [TS]

00:57:03   the mauser of course which is what the [TS]

00:57:04   rocketeer used at the end he never gets [TS]

00:57:06   to fire it because it gets knocked out [TS]

00:57:08   of his hand as soon as he gets on the [TS]

00:57:09   Zeppelin but that is I believe the [TS]

00:57:11   weapon on which han sol was blaster is [TS]

00:57:13   Liz base is the body of it I thought [TS]

00:57:17   this was a special effect thing that [TS]

00:57:19   caught me the first time in this one [TS]

00:57:21   it's a very beginning when the feds are [TS]

00:57:23   chasing the gangsters there's a sea [TS]

00:57:25   where they sort of run out of the hangar [TS]

00:57:26   and you see the feds shooting there's no [TS]

00:57:28   muzzle flash on the gun and it's clearly [TS]

00:57:30   like a Foley didn't sound later it was [TS]

00:57:33   just the most glaring thing to me in the [TS]

00:57:35   first five minutes of the movie is like [TS]

00:57:36   the feds are like shooting with these [TS]

00:57:38   revolvers and like there is clearly [TS]

00:57:40   nothing coming out that gun it is a step [TS]

00:57:43   above people going bang bang what have [TS]

00:57:46   we not covered that we should cover [TS]

00:57:48   before we rest of my things Jason I know [TS]

00:57:51   well this is your chant this year too I [TS]

00:57:52   will say I mentioned it earlier the that [TS]

00:57:54   ludicrous scene where after the [TS]

00:57:57   chloroform he he puts the tries to put [TS]

00:57:59   the moves on on Jennifer Connelly and [TS]

00:58:02   says at one point I'm as much a victim [TS]

00:58:04   as you are that one made me laugh out [TS]

00:58:06   loud that is such it such a great great [TS]

00:58:08   line and then I'm gonna say the thing my [TS]

00:58:11   wife said that was the best when he when [TS]

00:58:12   he opens up that closet to reveal all of [TS]

00:58:15   the women's clothing in it is she said [TS]

00:58:17   nothing makes a girl feel special like [TS]

00:58:19   used lingerie later is not a scene after [TS]

00:58:25   that where she realizes that he's a Nazi [TS]

00:58:28   in it maybe she says Neville Sinclair is [TS]

00:58:30   a spy saboteur fascists all of the above [TS]

00:58:34   why would you identify yourselves all [TS]

00:58:36   the things I feel like that is not good [TS]

00:58:38   marketing and how do i hear her through [TS]

00:58:40   the door which was closed while she's [TS]

00:58:42   whispering yeah he's that he's got a [TS]

00:58:45   great ears Joe he's got great year I [TS]

00:58:47   love that bookshelf though I'm a sucker [TS]

00:58:49   for the hidden for hidden yep Oh shelves [TS]

00:58:52   and it's a great one into his evil Nazi [TS]

00:58:54   layer that he keeps behind there that [TS]

00:58:55   with a radio with Germans on it yep [TS]

00:58:57   especially in a Frank Lloyd Wright house [TS]

00:58:58   yeah except the ice snail at the South [TS]

00:59:02   Sea shoes joy that it's dumb but the [TS]

00:59:06   Steamworks of flying around it so no he [TS]

00:59:08   ends up on the giant ice sculpture rides [TS]

00:59:10   it out I went one of the things I love [TS]

00:59:13   in the South Seas club is the giant clam [TS]

00:59:15   yes which is almost certainly there only [TS]

00:59:19   city can fly behind it and knock it shut [TS]

00:59:21   yeah pretty much which is it's beautiful [TS]

00:59:23   it still works I also speaking of weird [TS]

00:59:26   things done with the rocket pack when [TS]

00:59:27   he's he's trying to fly away from her [TS]

00:59:30   escape him and Peavy from the like press [TS]

00:59:33   and in Valentine's crew and the pickup [TS]

00:59:36   won't start and he says put it in [TS]

00:59:38   neutral you steer all [TS]

00:59:39   oh my goodness I love that I like that [TS]

00:59:41   one that's right after my favorite joke [TS]

00:59:44   bit in the movie which is where he flies [TS]

00:59:46   up next to the airliner was saluted back [TS]

00:59:51   yeah I just love it cuz again it's dumb [TS]

00:59:54   he doesn't know what he's doing yeah and [TS]

00:59:56   easy like there's just a moment of the [TS]

00:59:58   ushe [TS]

00:59:58   ushe [TS]

01:00:00   another great line from Terry O'Quinn [TS]

01:00:03   congratulations gentlemen thanks to the [TS]

01:00:05   dillons is the FBI this particular oh so [TS]

01:00:10   good Oh every line from Terry O'Quinn is [TS]

01:00:12   golden it really it will fly I also [TS]

01:00:16   loved how thick the FBI agent CIA [TS]

01:00:20   however they were put it on with the [TS]

01:00:22   like 30 Zarah lingo like cliff takes a [TS]

01:00:25   swipe at one of them when when he says [TS]

01:00:27   oh you should get a real job and I'm [TS]

01:00:29   probably gonna get the slightly wrong [TS]

01:00:30   buddy buddy the the one FBI agent says [TS]

01:00:32   the other that fly boy lands one on my [TS]

01:00:35   kisser and you just let him waltz the [TS]

01:00:37   exact such very like stereotypical lingo [TS]

01:00:40   right why boy kisser let'em what you [TS]

01:00:43   think that's bad dude do read the comic [TS]

01:00:45   book which is just wall-to-wall thirties [TS]

01:00:49   jargon it is kind of terrible yeah [TS]

01:00:53   goodness also my other favorite line [TS]

01:00:55   which is also also an alan arkin we [TS]

01:00:58   don't have a house clifford we have a [TS]

01:00:59   gazebo just a delivery Arkans delivery [TS]

01:01:06   is pitch perfect in that scene we [TS]

01:01:08   haven't mentioned the diner though on [TS]

01:01:11   your field it's got its got a cute [TS]

01:01:14   bulldog facade and Millie who hit [TS]

01:01:17   somebody with a pan because again it's a [TS]

01:01:19   it's a what Lauren said is that's one of [TS]

01:01:21   the allowed items that you can as that a [TS]

01:01:23   woman can hit people with you got [TS]

01:01:25   there's a pan or a vase and Jennifer [TS]

01:01:27   Connelly's got the vase thing down so [TS]

01:01:29   and a statue she hits a guy with a [TS]

01:01:31   statue right and so Millie gets the the [TS]

01:01:33   frying pan for that that's margo [TS]

01:01:35   martindale who's been in a million [TS]

01:01:37   things and it's great and she's got this [TS]

01:01:39   little part in the rocketeer it was fun [TS]

01:01:40   to see her there well in watching it [TS]

01:01:42   watching it in retrospect knowing her [TS]

01:01:43   who she is now and knowing that she's a [TS]

01:01:45   pretty damn good actress if you watch [TS]

01:01:48   justified she is Americans and the [TS]

01:01:51   Americans William Sanderson is one of [TS]

01:01:53   the fly boys who of course I didn't know [TS]

01:01:55   when I first watched this but watched it [TS]

01:01:57   having just watched Deadwood the past [TS]

01:01:59   year was like it's the mayor from Ted [TS]

01:02:01   foot no it's Larry's remover hard and [TS]

01:02:04   he's also an ugly Brenner yeah I was [TS]

01:02:06   gonna say you know seeing margo [TS]

01:02:08   martindale now and watching this and [TS]

01:02:09   going oh my god all she's doing is [TS]

01:02:11   squealing and [TS]

01:02:12   sping and she can do so much more also [TS]

01:02:15   character actor bit for you Casey Eddie [TS]

01:02:17   Jones as Malcolm who is of course also [TS]

01:02:20   in sneakers he sense of what who did he [TS]

01:02:22   played sneakers he's one of he's one of [TS]

01:02:24   Ben Kingsley's thugs he's the real bad [TS]

01:02:26   the the jerky thug the big who knocks [TS]

01:02:30   Robert Redford out several times in the [TS]

01:02:32   trunk he is oh yeah he also played the [TS]

01:02:35   dad on Lois and Clark he was he was [TS]

01:02:38   Clark's dad that's where I knew him I [TS]

01:02:39   was like look it's Jonathan Kent there [TS]

01:02:42   is no way how did not even yet I didn't [TS]

01:02:44   even mention him any chance you see he [TS]

01:02:46   was on the parade of character actors he [TS]

01:02:48   was yep I don't mention him but I should [TS]

01:02:50   have cuz he's dead yeah listen Clark [TS]

01:02:51   absolutely up it was such a good way [TS]

01:02:54   that he sabotaged their third date by [TS]

01:02:57   revealing what it actually happened to [TS]

01:02:59   the G Blaine he could not read the room [TS]

01:03:02   yeah he's a drunk but you also get the [TS]

01:03:07   idea that he's maybe like not not all [TS]

01:03:09   all there yeah like there's cuz he talks [TS]

01:03:12   about the getting shot down by the Red [TS]

01:03:14   Baron I love that he's like telling [TS]

01:03:16   Patsy the girl I ever tell you the story [TS]

01:03:18   about getting shot down by the Red Baron [TS]

01:03:19   and she starts nodding and then Margo [TS]

01:03:21   Martindale's like shaking her head [TS]

01:03:23   behind him and then she changes to [TS]

01:03:25   shaking her head yeah it's uh I enjoy [TS]

01:03:28   any then he shoots he throws the the [TS]

01:03:30   wheel of the plane in the soup it's a [TS]

01:03:32   soup call back yeah unfortunately it's [TS]

01:03:34   not very hygienic to lick that and then [TS]

01:03:37   hand it to a child it was the 30s Joe it [TS]

01:03:40   was building her immunity come on you [TS]

01:03:42   know what it's speaking of one thing [TS]

01:03:43   that that also struck me when watching [TS]

01:03:46   this this week is cliff is really a [TS]

01:03:49   terrible boyfriend like a very muscley [TS]

01:03:52   bad Voyager I wrote that he's just he's [TS]

01:03:55   a trip he is such a drip yeah I do he he [TS]

01:03:59   said to jetty you know um oh this time [TS]

01:04:01   you have lines or something like that or [TS]

01:04:03   and he was like a real jerk about how he [TS]

01:04:07   didn't want to see her movies which you [TS]

01:04:09   know of course is to some degree at rope [TS]

01:04:10   but I don't know it was just it was [TS]

01:04:12   stunning to me that he is a real turd [TS]

01:04:14   which I guess was preparing him for that [TS]

01:04:15   movie with Jennifer Lopez many many many [TS]

01:04:18   years later when he was colossally evil [TS]

01:04:21   what was the name of that movie I can't [TS]

01:04:22   remember that Bill Campbell was in and [TS]

01:04:24   it doesn't matter but anyway uh [TS]

01:04:26   striking to me that that you know jenny [TS]

01:04:28   is so nice and that he's such a turd to [TS]

01:04:31   her it's really unfortunate all right uh [TS]

01:04:33   before we go I thought it would go [TS]

01:04:35   around and ask everybody for the final [TS]

01:04:36   impressions of the rocketeer any other [TS]

01:04:38   closing statements that need to be made [TS]

01:04:41   could be made now David what about you I [TS]

01:04:43   love it I love it I mean I it's it's one [TS]

01:04:47   of the things that I used as an [TS]

01:04:48   inspiration radio theatre I just you [TS]

01:04:50   know increased the number of women [TS]

01:04:51   involved in it but yeah you know uh it's [TS]

01:04:55   it is a delightful story and it's and it [TS]

01:05:00   inspired several comics which i enjoy [TS]

01:05:02   reading now and happens to also include [TS]

01:05:05   p dave stevens comics which I do not [TS]

01:05:07   read um it's it's just nice it's it's a [TS]

01:05:12   pitch perfect recreation of that era and [TS]

01:05:14   that style it's not Raiders but if i'm [TS]

01:05:18   not watching raiders i can do this you [TS]

01:05:20   know this movie is is a movie as i've [TS]

01:05:22   mentioned a couple times that I've grown [TS]

01:05:23   up with in you know I first saw it [TS]

01:05:24   probably not long after it came out when [TS]

01:05:26   I was when I was a little boy and and I [TS]

01:05:28   and I've watched it probably a couple [TS]

01:05:31   times a year ever since and I just I [TS]

01:05:33   love this movie and it's hard to put my [TS]

01:05:35   finger on specifically why I love it so [TS]

01:05:37   much but it's to put in perspective how [TS]

01:05:41   much I love this movie the first time I [TS]

01:05:42   went to Los Angeles which was probably [TS]

01:05:44   2010 one of the things I ensured that i [TS]

01:05:48   did when i was there was go to griffith [TS]

01:05:50   observatory which by the way is freaking [TS]

01:05:52   cool it's beautiful in such a cool place [TS]

01:05:54   to visit but i wanted to go there [TS]

01:05:56   specifically so i could stand where [TS]

01:05:58   ostensibly you know this this big [TS]

01:06:00   zeppelin attack or whatever happened and [TS]

01:06:03   oh my god i'm so glad i did this movie [TS]

01:06:05   is also weird for me because as someone [TS]

01:06:07   who is probably not too far away from [TS]

01:06:09   uncultured swine this was my first real [TS]

01:06:11   this was my first real exposure to [TS]

01:06:15   timothy dalton like I'd ever seen a [TS]

01:06:17   Timothy Dalton bond until well after I'd [TS]

01:06:19   seen this movie I this my first exposure [TS]

01:06:21   down at alan arkin to jennifer connelly [TS]

01:06:23   I mean Bill Campbell is I think a much [TS]

01:06:26   less prominent star but him as well you [TS]

01:06:28   know so many people I associate them [TS]

01:06:30   with this movie before any other in the [TS]

01:06:33   thing I love about the rocketeer and the [TS]

01:06:36   only way I can describe how I [TS]

01:06:37   what I like so much about it is that in [TS]

01:06:41   many ways it feels me feel the same way [TS]

01:06:45   that being at disney world does in that [TS]

01:06:47   it's like this this unadulterated like [TS]

01:06:50   childlike joy that that I I only feel [TS]

01:06:55   like maybe at the holiday time or when [TS]

01:06:57   I'm at Disney World or when I'm watching [TS]

01:06:58   a movie like this that not only did I [TS]

01:07:00   loved as a kid but I continue to love as [TS]

01:07:03   an adult and yeah there's foibles with [TS]

01:07:06   it we've talked about plenty of them but [TS]

01:07:07   by and large is just a fun happy movie [TS]

01:07:10   and I in in this era when you know I'll [TS]

01:07:14   tell you that I love movie oohs TV [TS]

01:07:16   series like Breaking Bad which is not a [TS]

01:07:18   happy movie series and having something [TS]

01:07:21   like this that's that's in many ways [TS]

01:07:22   just pure saccharine it just makes me so [TS]

01:07:25   happy and in the moment I hear that [TS]

01:07:27   opening line that opening music like we [TS]

01:07:29   were talking about earlier it's just I'm [TS]

01:07:31   instantly transported to my happy place [TS]

01:07:33   and and I just love this movie so much [TS]

01:07:36   for that it's funny how movie locations [TS]

01:07:38   can can be a thing that guides you [TS]

01:07:40   because like when I when I was in New [TS]

01:07:42   York a few years ago I went to the steps [TS]

01:07:45   of the New York Public Library like [TS]

01:07:46   literally to look at the Lions and all [TS]

01:07:48   that because of ghostbusters because it [TS]

01:07:50   Ghostbusters it was the reason I stood [TS]

01:07:51   on the steps of the public library is [TS]

01:07:53   because it goes buster so III I hear you [TS]

01:07:56   Joe what do what are your feelings about [TS]

01:07:58   the rocketeer having rewatched it to [TS]

01:08:01   extend something that a casey had said [TS]

01:08:03   it actually kind of reminds me of [TS]

01:08:06   disneyland they have this thing called [TS]

01:08:08   California Adventure the lesser [TS]

01:08:10   interesting place you could go and it [TS]

01:08:13   has a an area called carthay circle [TS]

01:08:15   which is just sort of this weird art [TS]

01:08:18   deco throwback thing and you just walk [TS]

01:08:20   through there and it's like streetcars [TS]

01:08:23   and also other stuff is just like this [TS]

01:08:24   is very strange but somehow comforting [TS]

01:08:26   and I enjoy that aspect of this the sort [TS]

01:08:30   of Americana mythos of this film it's [TS]

01:08:34   it's fun I mean it's not real when I [TS]

01:08:36   won't don't want to live there but it's [TS]

01:08:39   it's it's a fun romp to to experience [TS]

01:08:43   and just in terms of Los Angeles [TS]

01:08:45   locations that I appreciate much more [TS]

01:08:47   now than I did back then I I do also [TS]

01:08:50   have to echo the Griffith Observatory is [TS]

01:08:52   pretty neat and I like one thing I [TS]

01:08:56   didn't realize was that there's the [TS]

01:08:58   drive up to Griffith Observatory is very [TS]

01:09:02   similar to the rebel without a cause [TS]

01:09:03   drive up which apparently has also been [TS]

01:09:05   reproduced inside of lala land it was [TS]

01:09:07   like wow there's a lot of people driving [TS]

01:09:08   up to this building I am I enjoy I enjoy [TS]

01:09:12   it and I I think that it would be fun to [TS]

01:09:16   see more things that are a little [TS]

01:09:19   lighter be made along these lines where [TS]

01:09:22   it's not necessarily like completely [TS]

01:09:24   childish but it's it's sort of a fun in [TS]

01:09:29   an enjoyable experience yeah and I think [TS]

01:09:31   there's somebody said like you said said [TS]

01:09:33   Joe it's the it's the mythos of this [TS]

01:09:35   this period in American history and was [TS]

01:09:38   it really like this probably not but but [TS]

01:09:43   it is we know this feeling of Americana [TS]

01:09:46   right like all mostly it's like a Norman [TS]

01:09:48   Rockwell painting or whatever it is that [TS]

01:09:50   kind of feel and that's what this movie [TS]

01:09:51   that's what this movie takes to heart [TS]

01:09:53   also Griffiths Griffith Observatory is [TS]

01:09:55   great watch for the falling Zeppelin's [TS]

01:09:57   that's also watch out for the zone oh [TS]

01:09:59   that's that's just good advice every one [TS]

01:10:02   thing you gotta watch out for Dan bring [TS]

01:10:04   it home well unsurprisingly one of my [TS]

01:10:05   favorite movies possibly in my top 10 [TS]

01:10:08   I've had the rocketeer in my bio my [TS]

01:10:12   twitter bio i think pretty much since [TS]

01:10:14   I've been on Twitter and so I love this [TS]

01:10:18   movie unabashedly it's funny I hope [TS]

01:10:20   racking my brains trying to remember the [TS]

01:10:22   first time I saw it and I honestly [TS]

01:10:23   cannot remember if I saw it in the [TS]

01:10:24   theater or not is you know just for some [TS]

01:10:27   reason it is lost in the mists of time [TS]

01:10:28   but I've seen it so many times since [TS]

01:10:30   then that it's all kind of blurred [TS]

01:10:32   together and I agree with what everybody [TS]

01:10:34   said about this being light-hearted and [TS]

01:10:36   being robbed it taps into a few things [TS]

01:10:38   that I think are just fundamental and a [TS]

01:10:39   lot of people one is the basic idea [TS]

01:10:43   flight right like who doesn't want to [TS]

01:10:44   find a jet pack like the idea of the [TS]

01:10:46   freeing you know freeing yourself from [TS]

01:10:48   flight in the same way that we think of [TS]

01:10:49   Superman or any sort of superhero I [TS]

01:10:51   think having that power is something [TS]

01:10:53   that appeals to a lot of people and a [TS]

01:10:56   you know [TS]

01:10:57   being an average Joe for whatever reason [TS]

01:10:59   that they're not hey not that that joke [TS]

01:11:01   about average Joe you know fine you [TS]

01:11:04   stumbling across something extraordinary [TS]

01:11:06   is I think you know a basic story [TS]

01:11:08   premise that we can all kind of get [TS]

01:11:10   behind I think also in the ways of that [TS]

01:11:12   mythos this is a black and white movie [TS]

01:11:14   there's not a lot of shades of grey the [TS]

01:11:16   bad guys are bad the good guys are good [TS]

01:11:18   even if the good guy is somewhat of a [TS]

01:11:20   dolt at times about being a you know a [TS]

01:11:21   crappy boyfriend there's not a lot of [TS]

01:11:23   moral gray area right like you know it's [TS]

01:11:26   pretty clear cut and that's that's one [TS]

01:11:28   of the reasons Nazis tend to make good [TS]

01:11:30   cartoon villains is because up until [TS]

01:11:32   recently it seemed like oh yeah there [TS]

01:11:35   you know who can be offended by not [TS]

01:11:36   seats so i think that there's a lot to [TS]

01:11:41   love about this movie held my mom loved [TS]

01:11:43   this movie and she is not a huge like [TS]

01:11:45   super here or a pulp comic fan but she [TS]

01:11:47   I've watched this with her on multiple [TS]

01:11:49   occasions and I know that she really [TS]

01:11:52   likes it and so for me you know it takes [TS]

01:11:54   a lot of boxes it sort of fits in the [TS]

01:11:57   superhero genre but without being overly [TS]

01:12:00   superhero II it's got the 1940s [TS]

01:12:03   aesthetic to it it's got that mythos of [TS]

01:12:05   a simpler time and all of that sort of [TS]

01:12:09   combines that with the fantastic score [TS]

01:12:11   the special effects the cinematography [TS]

01:12:14   all of that wraps together in a package [TS]

01:12:17   that I think is just incredibly [TS]

01:12:18   appealing and I do wish there were more [TS]

01:12:20   movies made like this that you know it's [TS]

01:12:24   not to say that there is no place for [TS]

01:12:25   movies that challenge you and make you [TS]

01:12:26   think but in sometimes you want to sort [TS]

01:12:30   of sit back relax and catch something [TS]

01:12:32   that is that it's simple and like tugs [TS]

01:12:35   it that part of you that longs for a a [TS]

01:12:37   more black and white era where the [TS]

01:12:39   heroes are larger than life and and good [TS]

01:12:42   and the bad guys are easily defined and [TS]

01:12:44   easily compatible one that I got into a [TS]

01:12:47   conversation on Twitter about that today [TS]

01:12:49   that there just aren't enough movies now [TS]

01:12:52   where the hero is heroic simply because [TS]

01:12:54   it's the right thing to do right they [TS]

01:12:57   have to have a complicated backstory or [TS]

01:12:59   it has to be they have to be somewhat [TS]

01:13:02   morally gray and they do heroic things [TS]

01:13:05   because it's part of their jobs [TS]

01:13:07   I you know where where our role models [TS]

01:13:10   where where are those characters we can [TS]

01:13:13   look up to and aspire to be like and if [TS]

01:13:15   we bring all the heroes down to our [TS]

01:13:17   level who are we aspiring towards that's [TS]

01:13:19   one reason I give a plug to Captain [TS]

01:13:21   America and Joe Johnson's work on that [TS]

01:13:23   right that is that is kind of what [TS]

01:13:25   they're going for with all of those [TS]

01:13:26   movies is he is supposed to be morally [TS]

01:13:29   unimpeachable and you can have a [TS]

01:13:30   discussion about what that means and [TS]

01:13:32   whether or not that's true but I think [TS]

01:13:33   for the most part especially in the [TS]

01:13:35   first couple movies he comes out pretty [TS]

01:13:37   much being the closest thing we have to [TS]

01:13:39   the that simple square-jawed hero who [TS]

01:13:42   just does what's right because it is [TS]

01:13:44   what's right that first captain america [TS]

01:13:47   movie and and i would say this even if I [TS]

01:13:49   didn't know that Joe Johnston directed [TS]

01:13:51   it and the rocketeer but like that is [TS]

01:13:53   one of the closest movies I can find to [TS]

01:13:56   the rocketeer in terms of your chill [TS]

01:13:58   sequel right like really is right yeah [TS]

01:14:00   and and for a period piece and it feels [TS]

01:14:04   like I told somebody who is skeptical [TS]

01:14:05   about I said it's like a propaganda oh [TS]

01:14:08   it's like world war two propaganda film [TS]

01:14:09   in a lot of ways and it's just enjoyable [TS]

01:14:11   like it is it is it is not shying away [TS]

01:14:14   from what kind of a story it's telling [TS]

01:14:18   about Steve Rogers buena being the [TS]

01:14:20   scrawny kid who becomes the hero and and [TS]

01:14:22   punches Nazis and you know it that [TS]

01:14:24   that's exactly what it is and it's great [TS]

01:14:26   and it and it does have a Peggy Carter [TS]

01:14:29   much more active participant in in that [TS]

01:14:32   movie then then Jennifer Connelly is [TS]

01:14:34   allowed to be as Jenny and this one it's [TS]

01:14:37   a fine-tuned course corrected remake [TS]

01:14:40   yeah this been great it was fun to [TS]

01:14:42   revisit this film this is a this film is [TS]

01:14:44   a lot of fun and I'm glad that we could [TS]

01:14:46   talk about it too so I would like to [TS]

01:14:47   thank my guests before we go David Laura [TS]

01:14:49   thank you thank you i'm off to chew some [TS]

01:14:52   gum and look at some plans I got em all [TS]

01:14:54   out of plans I did show rosenstiel thank [TS]

01:14:57   you thank you for having me den Morin [TS]

01:15:01   thank you son of a bitch will fly yeah [TS]

01:15:04   Casey list uh thanks for being on again [TS]

01:15:07   I guess when we do our sneakers episode [TS]

01:15:09   you'll be back right oh it would be my [TS]

01:15:11   pleasure and thank you so much for [TS]

01:15:12   having me alright and that's it for this [TS]

01:15:14   edition of the uncomfortable we'll be [TS]

01:15:16   back next week with more but until then [TS]

01:15:17   this is jason snelling off by everyone [TS]

01:15:24   you [TS]

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