Roderick on the Line

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00:00:24 ◼   ► super train hello hi John hi Merlin [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► how's it going what captain sensible [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► came up like twice this weekend no [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► impossible yeah yeah Paul Shaffer [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► mentioned him on I think wait wait don't [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► tell me so no one wants to be it for [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► watch yes well it's a great video [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► because they do like a conga line all [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► the way through a hospital they just do [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► a retrospective of videos featuring the [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► singer wearing a beret is the thought I [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► just had you got him you get kind of [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► sensible always wore red beret yeah get [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► the guy don't know his name the guy from [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► Survivor beret look yeah see I the [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► tigris throw the fight I think joined a [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► shell frequently wore a beret come [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► listen um what about uh did did toni [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► tennille wear a beret at any point Tony [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► to know mrs. drag yeah oh I got one uh [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► The Walrus guy from Doobie Brothers Jeff [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► oh yes Castro skunk bear Baxter said its [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► combat pastic yeah he wore Bray uh it's [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► true let me think let me think let me [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► think berets braised famous berets [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► name's Roger Alex [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► no I'm not you know it's real early i'm [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► sorry you know what i would draw the [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► question that's all right well I'll [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► think about it and as it as it comes up [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► i'll capture those people make a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► playlist Groucho Marx in his in his [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► later years not not he was a musician [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► not known primarily for being a musician [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► and yet you know what technically [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► there's videos Lydia Lydia have you seen [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► Lydia Lydia the tattooed lady the video [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► for that yeah he wore brain as later [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► yours but not like a skunk Baxter mmm [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► yeah it's early it's really really early [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► what's the what's the TV show us with [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► the guy uh who was Luke who invented [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► Seinfeld Oh Curb Your Enthusiasm notice [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► you curb your enthusiam curb your [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► enthusiasm Suzy Azam's sir breaker on [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► there uh I don't get who's on there is a [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► shine Nelson's uncle bob is on there [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah super supe de Valle Super Dave [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► Einstein is on there yep yeah he what [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► kind of name is that a Super Dave you [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► know he used to write for The Smothers [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► Brothers with Steve Martin back in the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► 60s yeah no that was a joke that was a [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► pad reference to reference to time ever [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► tell you the story which one story and [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► uh it's really early here it's very [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► early are you on the west coast uh yeah [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► okay yeah so not technically early well [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► uh you know early uh no I was um so [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► Shawn and I were in Palm Springs and we [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► we went to visit my uncle who at the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► time lived lived in Palm Springs and uh [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► and we were gonna have dinner there he [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► said you know why don't you come have [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► dinner at the house he didn't say that [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► enthusiastically because my uncle didn't [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► he never said anything that [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► enthusiastically and he really didn't [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► care if we joined inverted [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► no but he did but he did uh he did [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that's right that and as you're playing [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► my uncle yeah okay hey Jenna give an [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► actor line readings legit he does not [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► care if we're having dinner but he is [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► obligated to invite us to dinner and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► turns out at the time a Bob Einstein [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► Super Dave Osborne and his wife Sean's [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► aunt are also in Palm Springs and so at [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► the time so my uncle hearing this or [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► hearing this says well why don't they [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► come to dinner too and he doesn't [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► doesn't really care if they come to [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► dinner either but be equally nonplussed [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► he's not excited he says bring along [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► some Einsteins he's fine right he's fine [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► he he's not a yeah he actually is a cook [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► he likes to cook so he's gonna be [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► cooking the dinner and that's what he's [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► excited about he's excited it get to [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► cook for people it doesn't he's not [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► interested in me or them okay but they [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► show up super Dave Osborne Bob Einstein [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► very tall guy Shawn's bah aunt is a [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► smaller lady we mill around we're having [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► cocktails it's a nice you know it's a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► nice experience everybody's enjoying [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► each other and Bob Einstein tells a [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► story about the fact that his the reason [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► his brother is Albert Brooks L Brooks is [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► his brother and he said that his father [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► named him Albert Einstein yeah that's [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► why I had the stage name Albert Brooks [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► right that's a good story since a great [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► great story tell it at cocktail parties [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► sure but then my uncle is standing there [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► holding a drink in his hand migos [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Einstein Einstein what kind of name is [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that ions time hmm and it wouldn't there [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► wasn't a lot of in addition to probably [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► not knowing who any of the people are [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► that we were talking about there was a [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► time when that was a very normal [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► question to ask in America that's right [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► not all that happy question but it was [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► not at all unusual to ask questions like [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► you don't do this so much today but to [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► say to someone [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► like where are you from yeah what kind [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► of name is that or or weekly name is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► that and and my my uncle who had a [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► Scandinavian last name um it was a he [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► was exhibiting the kind of casual [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► anti-semitism that used to be very very [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► popular among the white Anglo impossibly [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► casual like a well-worn windbreaker yeah [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► just that sort of golf club set the type [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► of people that donated money to the Art [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► Museum although the art museum was [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► actually probably paid for largely by [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► the the you know the the benefactors who [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► probably the top three givers were Jews [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► sure you meet somebody you meet a [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► multiracial child and yes it is she [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► adopted Yeah right or yeah right because [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► you see the video of the lady running on [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► screen to get the kids off the BBC [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► program everybody assumes the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► housekeeper of the house what kinda name [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► is that what kind of name is that and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► Super Dave uh Bob Einstein you know he [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► he's not fair he's really dry he's very [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► dry for Palm Springs he's a very dry man [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► yep not it was you know non plus he's [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► been fielding that stuff his whole life [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I'm sure but boy sean and i made hay out [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► of it uh for many many many hours [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► driving across America what kind of [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► names the kind of name is that all right [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► time there's not really that many [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► situations where that has anything less [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► than anything better than a neutral [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► meaning yeah yeah nope that's not the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► kind of it's almost like you know it's [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the classic like seeing a black kid on a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► bike and going did you steal that you [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► know it's a good thing is he's in Palm [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► Springs you know it's not like it's not [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► like there are any Jews in Palm Springs [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► huh I mean he knows what kind of name it [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► is yeah uh but yeah just to kind of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► funny at one time one time at Christmas [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► many years ago when I was in my 20s I [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► was at Christmas at a giant family [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► gathering [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► I was going through a little bit of a [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► phase and and I started holding court [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► and I've been on my family of course you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► holding court isn't unusual stand there [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► you start talking a group of people [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► gathers pretty soon you're holding so [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► some people play cards huh it's wewe my [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► family traditions were stand around the [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► piano and sing and the four people that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► could sing would carry the the twelve [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► people that couldn't sing but everybody [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► loved to sing stand around the piano and [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► saying we had a whole song book of [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► family songs but sit around and sing [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► well he songs from 1910 that was one [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► thing we all did always that family [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► gatherings but then you know various [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► people would hold court and and I you [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► know I was in my mid-20s oh I was just [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► really coming into my uh my type of [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► holding court the court years right now [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► it's you know it's the my number one [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► activity but then I was just I was brand [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► new and I said you know my theory is [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► that um you know that we're uh because [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► I'm talking to a group people the common [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► bond with whom are the rod Chester [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► family the Roderick's were kind of some [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► Welsh interlopers that got in there at [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the last minute but the rochesters were [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the you know that's the that's our [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► connection to all of our at least one of [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► my father's side all of the waspey [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► heritage and I said my theory is really [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that this is an Ellis Island story that [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► our family really is an Ellis Island [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► story and changed our name from you know [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► from Rothstein to Rochester at Ellis [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► Island and then made up this enormous [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► backstory but really I feel much more [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► akin to the Jews than to Christians and [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► I really feel that that you know there [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► are sort of like our family nature just [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► suggests to me that we are that we're [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► probably much more likely Eastern [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► European Jews than we are whatever you [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► know Episcopalian you know may flee [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► Mayflower types that we that that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► our family mythology has sort of laid [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► out for and I'm holding forth and you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► know everybody under 50 who's listening [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► to me is listening to me with this kind [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► of like these pinched faces squinty eyes [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► trying to grasp what I'm saying but [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► everybody over 50 is emphatically like [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► no not the story that is not the story [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► at all and I had a I had an excellent [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► like 20 minutes onstage in my uncle's [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► living room parrying these 70 year olds [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I was like well you know the thing about [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► an Ellis Island story is really unclear [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► you know you can never really know [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► mm-hmm they were like I usually isn't [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► know you're so wise you scam know and [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you know there are a lot of family [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► bibles that have to know that are there [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► maybe maybe fill in the gaps but at 20 [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► we will do like illuminate the situation [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► by describing things like history and [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► philosophy and really ontology like how [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► we even know what we know epistemology [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► like were you able to like really lay [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► off them in a way cuz they're probably [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► not not as smart as you like you were a [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► probably to really bring bring bring [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► some sophistication to the discussion of [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► their lives I was really really in the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► middle of being in college at the time a [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► lot of people when they're 24 years old [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► or no longer in college you know they're [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► already in the workforce you've gone pro [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► but I had decided that College was where [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► I was going to live for for the next 15 [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► years and so I really had some college [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► words and had read some college books [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► this was you know this was the heyday of [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► college Oh coach was huge and so if I [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► mean you I might be a little late here [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► we're a little bit separated but we're [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► talking about like everything was [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► postmodern you get the structuralism [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► like oh there are so many different [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► angles to explain how people older than [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► you don't get it mmm third-wave feminism [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► Oh enforcing it sister that was a big [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► deal right Camille Paglia was out there [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► not being issues she's saying she was up [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► wasn't a feminine [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► hmm that mom Kapow so it was a it was a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► big time right all sex was great it was [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► uh doing as I and roots working yep [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► that's right that's right good good way [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► way to grab that reference yeah you got [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► auntie Dworkin yeah Camille palea now [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► who is the net Naomi Campbell no no my [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► weekend Naomi I gave me wats yeah I [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► she's the one who wrote that other [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► feminist book was popular in the early [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► nineties that's right and I think it's [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► always Camille palio was uh that [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► generations uh you know uh you know uh [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► dr. what's her name dr. what's her name [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► you know like she's just doing she's [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► everywhere I'm talking about dr. Joyce [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► brothers yeah that's unclear do you like [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► exactly what her profession was apart [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► from talking about what her profession [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► was she was trying to Charles Nelson [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Reilly of that era and then I think you [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► pivot you get a Camille palea and she [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► would ya I'm she show up for a like a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► you know Carlotta opening uh Camille [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► Paglia I think for two years there yeah [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► right didn't sleep she said she'd sleep [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and she's dead that's right so we're [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► third way they call it because she was [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► everywhere well here's another question [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► what did it need a Bryant do lose her [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► job I need a Bryant was he was like an [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► orange juice flowers later she was [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► originally a singer from that era where [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► there were lots of ladies singer she was [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► she was kind of like a less talented [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► Rosemary Clooney I think Rosemary [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► Clooney from Cincinnati very good singer [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► yes not work today but Rosemary Clooney [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► was was a very good singer she was [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► George Clooney's amped that's right [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► that's right in and my parents were [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► friends with nick nick clooney mmhmm [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► yeah yep yeah what is nice lesser-known [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► oh cincinnati he was the ball or Clooney [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► everybody knew Nick clin because he had [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► TV show on the TV oh I thought you were [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► gonna say he was a pontiac dealer but he [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► had a he had a TV show nick clooney nick [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► clooney nicolino my grandfather worked [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► at a car dealership but that was an [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► older time in Cincinnati what I want to [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► get to you though is that you I think [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► the important thing here is being [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► somebody who is a professional college [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► student and he has had access to so many [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► new thought technologies you would be [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► doing you love your family nominally you [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► would be doing them a disservice not to [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► update them on what they think they [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► understand about life [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► p nation have leaving them in that in [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► that Rousseau Ian state like you need to [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► get in there and straighten them out the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► number one thing i did was was explained [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► that if you clear cut the forests uh [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► where would the animals live right but [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► we throw something away where's a way [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► well no not bad because it was much more [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► specifically about clear-cutting for us [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► because of course my uncle uh the the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► the self-same uncle i'll use it what [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► weyerhaeuser uh yeah he went at the time [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► he was president of macmillan bloedel [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► Canada's largest timberland Bledel so [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► you're going way beyond exotic hardwoods [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► here you're talking about is the whole [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► enterprise where yeah we're saying like [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► not only are we taking all the trees [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► down from Alaska to Seattle any any [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► anywhere along the Canadian Coast there [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that you can't see from the road we're [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► gonna steal all the trees yet all but [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► also Brazil they were Barry pioneering [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► exotic hardwoods David and they do they [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► call clear-cutting yes clear-cutting is [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► what they would call it that was a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► popular Christmas time conversation [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► topic to you get it it's when everybody [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► would sit down at the table and I would [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► go where are the animals gonna live boy [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that was a nice that was that was just [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► uh you could hear the you could hear the [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► forks dropping on those lee i went [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► yesterday to the former where Howser [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► headquarters which when it was built in [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the late 60s was like a pioneering [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► building like it was a it was [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► ecologically constructed it was open [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► plan it was built with the integrated [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► with the environment in order to be the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► most pleasant possible workspace it was [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► really a pioneering building if you look [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► it up where Howser headquarters not the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► new one but the old one you'll see that [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► it is a but it's a wonderful structure [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► and its iconic here in the northwest [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► because you can see it from the [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► interstate as you're driving south it's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► out in the middle of nowhere you're [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► driving along all of a sudden there's [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► this gap in the trees and you see this [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► enormous building kind of out in the [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► distance its enormous wide [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► more than it is tall and you go what the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► hell is that and then the then the gap [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► closes as you drive and you're like and [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► you never see it again and a lot of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► people are have never never figured out [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► what it is but it was the warehouse or [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► building and it's surrounded by 500 [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► acres of like exotic rhododendrons it's [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► it said there's a bonsai museum out [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► there with Wow bonsai trees from there's [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► a bonsai bonsai tree that started [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► growing in 1500 uh and I and I went [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► there because we're house are just built [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► a brand new headquarters right in the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► center of downtown Seattle in fact right [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► in the center of downtown Seattle where [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► they didn't tear down a single building [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► but they built it on top of some old [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► shitty parking lots so in that sense and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it's like right in pioneer square it's [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► totally changing what pioneer square [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► does this is some inside Seattle golf [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► but anyway this warehouse our building [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► is now completely empty absolutely not a [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► stick of furniture in it and its design [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► it was always designed to be looked [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► through right it's glass on both sides [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► so you can walk around it and just look [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► through the entire building five or six [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► storeys completely empty huh and it's a [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► real head trip I was I because it's a [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► you know it's a massive place the campus [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► of it and I really really I had two [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► thoughts one it's a for the next year or [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► so until they lease it again somebody [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► needs to use it as the set of a science [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► fiction film I can't believe that as it [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► wasn't why is it sitting there empty [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► what's up with that well I think this [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► year their headquarters are a federal [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► way washington yeah that's in federal [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► way washington that's right down there [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► by by tacoma okay i think what it is is [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► there are very few companies in the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► world that can that really need a campus [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► with that much square footage uh-huh and [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► particularly one because the fashion [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► right now is for [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► urban campuses you want more of like an [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► artisanal pop-up paper company yeah you [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► want your company to be there so that so [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you can attract all those hip young [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► engineers who want to unify in Portland [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► that part of town where all the paper [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► trucks go so I lunchtime you can go get [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► some paper from a truck yeah you know [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► what about it you get pulp you know you [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► get Lebanese paper you get thai paper [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► mm-hmm but so I think that eventually it [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► won't be long before some radical [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► startup type person decides that what he [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► or she wants to do is have their company [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► be out in the woods of federal way [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► living or working in like it's like a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► space building mm-hmm right now that's [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► not what's happening right now companies [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► are buying old warehouses in in cool [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► part of town that's just that's just the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► time it won't last I I wanted to start a [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► startup Merlin just just to have my [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► company work at that building I think I [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► think the building is the company right [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the building's the start you know uh I'm [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► interested in this idea very interested [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► because frequently when you go to a [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► website nowadays used to be every site [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► you know would have about us and now [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► frequently you might see in about us but [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► frequently you'll see a section entitled [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► our story our store our story and so you [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► want to talk about how not just how [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► you're coming let's not be let's not be [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► mercantil about this you want to talk [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► about the life-changing event or [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► philosophical breakthrough or [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► problematic problem that you had to deal [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► with the cause you to need to make this [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► company right you know I'm saying it's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► like oh you had to do it you had to do [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it it's beyond a mission that's a [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► different section you go mission [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► statement that's a different section but [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► our story is where you talk about your [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► journey so yeah journey begins with [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► needing to fill a billing building up [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► with people see that's our story that's [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► your story what's our story i saw this [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► building i needed to fill it up maybe [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that's the startup maybe the startup is [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► that we flee sweet you know what here's [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► the thing it's got a little bit of real [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► estate management it's got a little bit [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► of VC maybe your startup is I wouldn't [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► call it building fillers we're gonna [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► need a better name of that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► basically your entire business is based [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► on funding businesses to fill in [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► existing places so you could for example [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► turn a bunch of old taco bell's and [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► pizza hut's into dentists offices hmm [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► but see that's the thing is you want to [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► go you go wide you want to go deep right [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► it could be a beautiful glass building [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► you know or it could be loco taco over [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► here that needs to be repurposed [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► actually the people that bought this [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► building that is their business they buy [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► old offices they buy big old offices and [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► turn them into offices Wow right wow [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that's there the whole company is based [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► on buying old offices and turn them into [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► offices just do my mind and I read this [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► I read this article as I was trying to [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► research the place that I was and I was [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► like how do I get into that racket and [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► what what they do is they take other [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► people's money they buy big office [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► complexes and then they turn them into [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► offices and then they slay wrentham or [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► sell them for money they pay the other [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► people the people that there's money [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► they use they I guess they pay them back [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► somehow and then whatever money is left [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► over is their money that's their [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► business I don't know about the paying [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the money back part let's wait for that [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► we don't get you like to see on shark [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► tank we're pre-revenue right now but I'm [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► very intrigued in the idea of a company [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► it's a it's a real lean startup where [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the idea is the very first thing is we [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► need to get us into a building and once [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► we get into a building we bring in you [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► i'm gonna call them building affiliates [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and now those people going to go out and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► find other they're going to start [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► they're going to need to get into [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► buildings right to create more [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► opportunities to help people get it's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► not it's not a pyramid scheme it's more [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► of an inverted triangle unless we can [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► get an actual pyramid as part of this [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

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00:25:17 ◼   ► Casper for supporting Roderick on the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► line and all the great shows right I [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► mean think about it k those buildings [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► are empty game changed okay right that's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► literally it you know what I'm like a [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► lie to you it's not a scheme it's a [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► pyramid program that's right it's a [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► pyramid we have we find empty or disused [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► pyramids we renovate them and then you [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► fill that up and then you now you build [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► up your they call it your downline [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► you're going to go now and get other [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► people into future pyramids so steering [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► instance here's a person there they [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► started let's say they started a [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► snapchat and they're thinking oh I want [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► to have my office headquartered in in [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► Venice California you say nun and have [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► you considered the Yucatan have you [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► considered the Yucatan I can put you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► into a whole complex [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► business park basically with of pyramids [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► and it'll be very cost competitive very [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► competitive with what you would pay in [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► business I think that's how you start [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► that's how you start generating some [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► cash flow or at least interest you're [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► generating you're generating some some [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► interest cuz first you need to tickle [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► their buying bone don't you think you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► got to get them are you can go to a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► pivot right you got to get them out of [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► their current mindset and you get a [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► little pivot you can thinking about [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► pyramids well sure and you think like oh [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► you're trying to attract some young [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► software engineers who just got out of [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► college and you're saying I'll live on [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► Venice Beach you know there's a Nathan's [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► Famous hotdog stand or whatever you can [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► write cycle back and forth worth or move [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► to move to the Yucatan Peninsula and [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► live in a historic campus surrounded by [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► like low jungle there are some sin otays [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► mmm we can scuba dive all the way to the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► seventh level of hell oh that is plano [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► right there are gigantic lizards and you [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► never have to see your parents again [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► John that is so much more interesting [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► than like playing frisbee polo and [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► venice beach with all due respect let's [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► see I'm just you know so we're we we [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► turned that we turn that property right [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► we go around the world think of all the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► pyramids there are 0 look on my works ye [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► mighty and despair what it's gonna take [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► for me to get you on this pyramid today [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► and almost every pyramid I can guarantee [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► you is empty right now well you know [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► it's this is the thing this is there's [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► so many angles to this first of all [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► every one of these dingaling CEOs wants [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► to eventually become I mean you know [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► we're looking today at Elon Musk we're [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► looking at a looking at a musk we're [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► looking at the suckers burg you look at [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► any of these guys are obviously all [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► modeling themselves on previous [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► generations of CEOs and supervillains [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► there's a question about that and so now [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► we look at that he's going to space did [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► it but but they all kind of want to be [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► the kind of want to be David Branson [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► they kind of want to be Blofeld and like [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► you say to them look it's a pyramid it's [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► pyramid you're gonna have to fill this [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► with all kinds of stuff or you know what [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► you fill it with nothing you or maybe [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► you put more pyramids inside what's your [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► I like the affiliate what's your on your [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► own affiliate downline you decide how to [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► run that operation fill it with nothing [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► oh oh oh my gosh free shipping on amazon [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► prime nothing i'm i see myself now [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► or you and I I'm sorry because we just [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► found it this business together but [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► we're we are gonna feeling I'm gonna be [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► the ender Garfield character I guess [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► thought I'm gonna get pushed out I mean [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► vinkel Winklevoss us yeah you might be a [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► Winklevoss you know the winklevosses and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► the and the Garfield they got paid [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► pretty well is that right yeah I think [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► so I mean not you know maybe they didn't [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► make this yoga in that movie but don't [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► know who it is it's um it's the guy from [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► that boy band it's not Jonah Hill it's [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► uh it's just just in just 24 wiseman [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► justin bieber flee yeah justin bieber [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► flake that's the one uh he's in that [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► movie that's right and he's the guy that [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► founded Napster and now he's the one who [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► ruined your career John last night no [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► two nights ago I was at a party and a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► guy oh I'm sorry I lady comes over to me [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► sits down next so anyway I show up to [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► this party I haven't I didn't it's a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► party where you pay some money for the [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► ticket and you come and you get a steak [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► dinner oh and uh and a friend of mine [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► was going to the party and said you got [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► to come to the party and I was like yeah [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► I did I didn't want to go to the party I [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► didn't want to buy a ticket I didn't [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► want to go is the thing and then the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► last minute I said all right I'll go to [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► the party and my friend said well you [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► don't have ticket I was like don't you [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► let me handle that so we get to the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► party and I you know and my friend has [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► an assigned seat right it's assigned [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► seating at these teas round tables table [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► number for table number five etc etc [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► this is so confusing i'm sorry it's a [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► charity event it's a charity event okay [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► all right we say party i'm thinking yeah [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► okay well let's say you know it's a the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► thing is all these auctions nowadays [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► they present themselves as parties right [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► sugar dancing it's like it's fun there's [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► a silent auction your water an auction [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► and parties clothing you know I hate [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► these things yeah I hate them because [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► ninety nine percent of the things I [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► don't want right I don't want a basket [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► of wine I don't wanna I don't want a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► bath stick of cheese I don't want any [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► kind of astok I don't want to I don't [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► want to bid 2,500 dollars on like a ride [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► around the lake on somebody's boat you [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► know I don't want any [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► we we had the school auction this [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► weekend and you know he looked it's a [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► company store it's the company store [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► right so my wife my wife she led the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► production of her of our my daughter's [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► classrooms project to sell at the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► auction so she basically yeah so here's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the thing she basically paid for and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► helped create the piece of art she [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► worked at the auction Saturday night and [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► do you want to make any guesses about [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► who bought the art mmm let's see was it [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► your what she should be working in the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► development team for pyramids pyramids [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► pyramids were calling it my mom you said [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► she gets the recursive nature of this [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► about the about those bake sales and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► stuff you know like in this case you [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► gotta go to this party and like you know [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► what can I just how about instead I give [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► you two hundred dollars not at home that [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► was always always what my mom said ship [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► because they used to pay for this stuff [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► with bake sales there weren't auctions [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► when we were kids right there were bake [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► sales every every well let's be honest [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► every mom would make a casserole or a [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► cake or a pie yeah and then they set up [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► tables in the gym and and the pies and [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► cakes would be all around and they need [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► well I guess walk around and what just [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► buy them or was there bidding I don't [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► remember what I got some cases you can [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► have like a bass dick lunch and if you [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► want to impress the lady I learned this [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► on Gilmore Girls if you want to get [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► somebody's particular Bostick then you [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► bid on them and that by proxy proxy [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► becomes your affection for them oh it's [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► like The Bachelor auction at in [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► Groundhog Day yeah same thing yeah my [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► mom would always say I don't want to [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► make a cake I don't want to make a pie I [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► don't want to go to this thing can I [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► just give you two hundred dollars and [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► they were like ah you don't you just [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► don't understand this is like a you know [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it's fun it should be fun yeah I'm doing [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► I'm doing a fun run do you want to fund [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► me and I can I just give you twenty [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► dollars and we stop talking yeah like I [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► don't want I don't want to say anything [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► I don't want to get emails about this I [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► don't want to be put on a list that's [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► the thing John you sign up for any of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► these things you get put on a list well [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► I'm already on those lists I'm on those [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► lists well tell you what tell you I I [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► don't know I thing is I'm probably be [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► pushed out maybe by the end of this [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► program but I'm here to tell you [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► pyramids pyramids pyramids will never [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► contact you without your express [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► permission well I mean you nothing less [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► we have to pivot we have to pivot to [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► wash if you want to unsubscribe it's [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► right down there at the bottom where [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► unsubscribe it says adjust your [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► preferences you can adjust adjust your [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► privacy preferences and then somewhere [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► in there if you click on that you're [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► going to find somewhere an opportunity [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► to unsubscribe where when you click on [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► it it's going to say are you sure you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► want to unsubscribe have you really [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► consider really serious and here's the [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► other thing pyramids pyramids pyramids [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► way too long what if we shorten to that [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► to your rate for this pyramids cubed oh [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► whoa how are we gonna spell pyramids [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► that's the big question we're gonna have [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► to spell it funny I think we have to [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► remove okay well let me type but I'm [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► running with tomorrow some vowels uh-huh [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► pyramids in this case is why vowel I [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► mean this is one of those instances [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► AEIOU and sometimes why that's why I [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► think this is a sometime situation r.a.m [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► Franz right Oh pyramids p ee r 0 period [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► pwa are am I d z mmhmm yeah and I have [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► to I have to write that out time you [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► tell guess i'll text to you ok it's [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► here's what I've got so far we're just [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► workshopping this p e e r am ID and i'm [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► going with z cuz i think that's gonna be [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► easier it's gonna be easier to copyright [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► go and i'll go ahead I feel like what I [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► feel like the Z makes it seem like it [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► like an Australian children's band this [TS]

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00:35:16 ◼   ► efforts while French soldiers were being [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► rationed red wine German troops were [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► marching east and west on daily doses of [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► crystal meth meanwhile the country's [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► colorful dictator employed a personal [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► doctor who administered everything from [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► vitamin shots to animal hormone [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► injections to cocaine culminating in the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► Fuehrer's physical dependence to wait [TS]

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00:36:56 ◼   ► Eddie yeah no no I hear ya I hear ya I [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► think there should be a why I think it [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► should be P my DZ nopee [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► ye are my D s p/e are why no my dear [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► pyramids do you have an a in there no [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► way just pyramids d ee are my D Z not [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► Zee I feel like the Z Zed Zed is a biz [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► in Australia too far pyramids can we [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► capitalize the ant ah okay all right I [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► Capital idea p ER capital m why do yes [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► pyramids hey like a website you would [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► have to log into with you we're going to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► see an oncologist think it's true this [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► is your Dutch cancer doctor kids dr. [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► Pierre mins they're worse on a lot of [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► levels so you know we don't know any way [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► so I went to this dinner oh yeah and I [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► leaned up again so I get there and my [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► friends like well I'm sitting at table [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► for what are you gonna do and I was like [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► do you know let me let me worry about [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that you go sit you have your steak [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► dinner on let's go remote you got your [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► way in yet have you gone mad I'm in [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► because you know they can't it's an open [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► you go to a check-in desk when you walk [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► in but that's honor system stone right [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► and the thing is i see i see the thing [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► about this is that i donated an electric [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► guitar to this auction I'm not an [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► expensive electric guitar in fact an [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► electric guitar that is it was a [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► signature model of a certain kind of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► artist and actually signed by that [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► artist an artist you may remember by the [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► name of Matthew sweet Matthew Sweet is [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► is it one of those double cutaways [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► that's a double cutaway guitar yes yes [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► somewhat suspect it's a special model [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► specify your relationship with the [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► Gibson company John as my relationship [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► with a guitar company not the Gibson [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► company [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► we made a matthew sweet signature model [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► guitar signed signed on the in the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► sticker on the inside the factory want [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► nothing more than to make you your dream [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► guitar that's all they do all day long [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► is want to make your dream guitar but [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► you can't make your dream guitar there's [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► no ski they don't ask you for it they [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► don't have asked you for it I've got [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► down there I've been there I've walked [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► around I've asked them interesting [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► questions about think about that story [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► and it still breaks my heart to think [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► about it yeah they're in there still [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► probably smoking those cigarettes down [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► to their knuckles and making guitars [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► it's not like it's not like they don't [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► want to do it they want to do that [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► they're luthiers as for us is right [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► there there Martin Luther's they wanted [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► they want to make you a guitar they do [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► they want to make this guitar for me I [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► make or not because there's not as cute [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► yes q that's not how it wasn't a 50 60 [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► 70 s 80s 90s sorry Scotty Moore can't [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► make you a guitar we don't have asked [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► you yeah that's how it is now sickening [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► in any case I leaned up against the wall [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► in the back of the room uh with the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► waiters right the waiters are up against [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► the wall they're watching they're you [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► know they're getting ready to serve [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► salad course I start chit chattin with [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► some waiters hey what's up how's it [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► going you know oh good good yeah sweet a [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► nice night right no this is hobbin [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► beside lived my whole life chit chattin [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► with the waiters there that that's my [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► friend class right my friend class is [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► not the donor class it's the way to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► class mmm then the woman who is putting [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► on the event walked by she doesn't [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► really walk by so much as she glides by [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and she sees me standing there talking [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the waiters and she stops and she goes [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► John hello nice suit because of course [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► you know this is how you get in right [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► you kind of know somebody I say I'm good [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► I'm good how are you good we talk we [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► chat she says thank you for the guitar I [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► go anytime listen I want to fund this [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► program as much as you do and then she [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► says by way of ending the conversation [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► because she's headed off on an important [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► mission huh she she know she kind of [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► puts one hand in the small of my back as [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► though to guide me to my table and she [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► says where you see where you sit let me [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► let me walk you over I don't think she I [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► think you know she's a maven right she [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► wants to walk me over because she wants [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► to see who else is sitting at the table [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► so she can you know make introductions [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► she sometimes about the connections in [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► the networking and the people that's [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► right and so she doesn't want to just [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► say why don't you get to your table oh [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► I'll be right there or you know I have [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► other business to do she wants to walk [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► me to the table and say oh you know [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Maisie Glotz do you know John Roderick [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► you're sitting in the same table and [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► then I go oh hello Maisie of course I [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► know amazing yep it's it's own fun or [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► just keep kids take it back to that same [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► crook listen that's right at you know [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► Muhammad magnet so and you know and then [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► I then then it would be an opportunity [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► for me to say oh I know they go way back [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► with a glass all the glass I know like [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► wants us to so I say um I don't have a [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► table you know I just kind of I just [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► kind of waltzed in here honestly I [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► didn't expect to come i was just waltz [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► in it and and this is the thing but when [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► we talk about when we talk about [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► unchecked privileged boy it's really a [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► thing and then there's the kind of [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► privilege that you're very aware of and [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► just have no interest in checking and [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► then there are the and then there's the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► kind of privilege where you just donated [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► a guitar to an auction yeah and she says [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► oh let's find your table and so she [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► waltzes me over oh so she but she's so [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► she's not put off by this not not even [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► you know she's she's the consummate [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► hostess right chef link and I of course [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► you came without having done anything of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► course you decided to come here four [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► minutes ago and just decided to come it [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► was not was not inhibited at all by not [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► having a ticket but but just came right [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► so she won but she's the she's the big [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► wheel right so she starts looking around [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the room and she goes hah there's a [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► table over there with an open seat and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► she walks me over and of course she [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► knows everybody at the table you know [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► them you know the so and so's in the [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► zone zones and she sits me down and next [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► to a guy and it turns out he's the CFO [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► of Napster hmm what and I said no he was [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the CFO of Napster know so he so I sit [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► down on it and this is this is our [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► introduced and he goes hey and I say [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► Napster is the thing and he goes yeah [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► Napster has been purchased by [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► absa d and I think it's well so it still [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► exists in some form okay and uh and so [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► all of a sudden I go from leaning [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► against the wall with the waiters to [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► talking about how Napster ruin the music [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► business but of course he probably get [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► that much know what the thing is that he [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► is you know he's come into it yeah i [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► mean the the the music industry had [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► already been ruined two more times after [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► that probably by the time he came in i'm [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► sure that's a fundamentally different [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► content provider than Napster was well [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► sure and you know and at the time he was [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► in a different line of work uh-huh right [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► he did he's not him he's not a music [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► person he's a financial person sure he [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► was you know he was working for [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► macmillan bloedel and now he doesn't now [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► there's no institutional memory of when [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► Napster ruined the music business now [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► everybody's streaming we're all [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► streaming mm-hmm telephony streaming [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's right and so so and the [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► streaming people feel like they're doing [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► musicians a great service mm-hmm so so [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► he was excited to talk about he was [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► excited to talk about all the things [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► that he wasn't going to do specifically [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► for me but what he was doing generally [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► for free free kind yeah for the world of [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► music yeah so it was very you know it [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► was like talk about talk about pop music [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► mm-hmm gosh yeah New York London Paris [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► Munich New York London Paris Munich [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► those are going to be the headquarters [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► of up pyramids yeah we're not actually [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► going to be in pyramid we're not our [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► offices aren't going to be pyramids I [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► wonder how that'll work out pyramids uh [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► which let that bring something up when [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► you search it oh you know I'm letting [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► you know I probably should look I should [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► look now it just says are you talking [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► about are you talking about pyramids and [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► it spelled it correctly oh good that's a [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► good sign well it suggests to me that [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► someone else has ever put in that [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► spelling is exactly okay I shouldn't [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► even admit this but i found exactly 1 [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► match [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► which is a site called name ideas [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► generator no and that's if you enter in [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► the letters my D s yeah but the thing is [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► you know it's like mailing the song to [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► yourself I think I think as long as we [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► build a pyramid or inhabit a pyramid [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► somewhere I think we're gonna I think we [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► get the first right of refusal it's [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► called women do you mail for yourself i [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► used to read i read that i read that's [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► as good as copyright i'm not sure how [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► that holds up in court so you would put [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► it in a cassette tape and mail it to [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► yourself no web number oh no we're [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► talking about no no so what I heard was [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► when you write us when you write a song [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► because this too yes you should type it [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► up this makes absolutely no sense just [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► to think about it for even a second so [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► what do you do the idea is uh if you [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► don't copyright you know it's a thing [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► you got to copyright your song your song [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► about you know how terrible palm beaches [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► or whatever like my terrible punk rock [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► songs so you mail it to yourself yeah [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► and if you ever have to defend just on a [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► piece of paper oh sure cuz then now you [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► got the you got the date on there yeah [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► so I guess the problem did the one [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► problem with this is you only get one [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► opportunity to take that out of the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► envelope you and I are not copyright [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► lawyers I know we should probably say [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► that we are we are pyramid preneur yeah [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that's right Kermit preneur but you're [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► saying only one chance to take it out of [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► the envelope well this is like the same [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► this is the same era and crowd from [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► which I heard that if you walk around [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► with weed in your shoe it turns into [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► hash so well we asked if you ask a cop [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► if he's a copies got to say yes that's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► right show me your dick let me smell [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► your dick take it out you gotta you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► everybody knows that this is all you [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► know this is you know what this is John [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► this is stuff you learn on the streets [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► well sure if you ever saw the movie [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► training day mm-hmm you know you've got [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► a smoke a little piece EP with your [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► partner yeah because what if you know [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► what if you're with some bad guy and he [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► says watch take a hit of this PCP yeah [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► not what he's expecting no you gotta [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► know how to you gotta know how to hit [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► PCP if you really expect yes we'll [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► expect to be taken seriously by the back [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► and then when to walk away know when to [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► run yeah I totally agree so so you're [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► saying because I heard this to about the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► copywriting the the song and I never did [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► but it's not that I didn't it's not that [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► I didn't do it because I didn't believe [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► that it would work hey John hang on a [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► minute oh you might just down your mic [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► just changed did it change in a good way [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► or a bad way bad way you feel like [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► you're talking into your computer [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► directly Oh what about now oh you sound [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► fantastic oh thank you the bed fun when [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► that Evans so did you gesture wildly um [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you know what i did i have i have a [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► couple of like rabbit ear antennas here [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► on the top of my computer okay sometimes [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► you have to hit the computer on the side [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► real hard and then adjust the rabbit [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► ears i get a sit on it ok so anyway [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► pyramids Oh call you see so you send it [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► to yourself now now if you're that [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► concerned about copyright it seems like [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► you might want explore it more but that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► was the word on the street you gotta [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► smell a cop's dick and you mail the song [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► to yourself ironclad and somebody guys [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► redid that he'd be alive today if Woody [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► Guthrie had done that he'd be alive [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► today you know I say that at least once [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► a day no all the time I'm saying that [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► but uh if I so i actually have [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► copyrighted music and i actually hired a [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► copyright lawyer i think i may have [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► described this to you before where I [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► copyrighted the name of the long winters [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► because when you had to deal with the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► wild ruses the Wilders is but it was [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► because there was a band that was [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► calling themselves a long winter uh-huh [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► like they put out a record or to [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► immediately after the long winters came [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► along there was no debate that the long [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► winters were the long winters before a [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► long winter was a long winter but [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► somehow can you imagine being somebody [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► who's like well there is a band called [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► the long winters but we're a long winter [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► you said I get that in the late 60s for [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► two reasons because the world was [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► smaller for one thing you could get away [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► with with calling your band you know the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► beat 'less or something like that or [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► even the Beatles like not even at the [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► Beatles but you could get away with a [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► lot because the world was smaller but [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► second like you know just google it like [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► we just did Yeah right you know i mean [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► like that's just weird even in altavista [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► you could altavista a long winter yeah [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► you could use wolfram alpha wolframalpha [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► yeah uh yeah but or you could call [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► yourselves a long winter UK oh right you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► put out a record called a long winter no [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► so anyway I had to go to this copyright [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► lawyer and then what I discovered about [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► a copyright lawyer is talk about a [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► pyramid scheme lawyers I don't know if [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► you knew this yeah this is something [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that I've learned by in dealing with [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► this copyright lawyer if a lawyer's [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► office wants to send you an email they [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► type the email as we discuss this good [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► they type the email yeah did they have a [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► way they like to Bill an invoice yeah [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► they type the email and as they begin to [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► type the email the clock is ticking they [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► are charging you for the expense of [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► typing the email telling you that they [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► have an opportunity for you to pay them [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► some money yeah like they're billing you [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► and they're charging you for billing you [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► and it feels to me like that is the most [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► genius business model that's the most [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► genius business model of all what for [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► you 19 for me to build somebody for the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► for the expense of the time it takes to [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► build them date you know what this [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► should be part of pyramids I think so [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► too I think recursion should be a huge [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► part of our recursion I think so do [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► right everything that's in the show is [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► in the show and everything in pyramids [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► is part of pyramids we're a business yes [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that takes businesses and turns them [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► into businesses we business your [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► business harder as soon as we start [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► turning a business into a business [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► that's our that's our business we're [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► business of America is business in the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► business of pyramids is business is [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► business and we're going to charge you [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► for charging you as part of our bills as [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► part of our business of businesses we're [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► charging you for charging every time we [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► charge them we're going to charge them [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► for the expense of charging well then of [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► course there's the recharge surcharge oh [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► there should be a surcharge to recharge [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► the surcharge to recharge and also if [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► you have any inquiries about your bill [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► there may be a very very very small [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► large fee associated with the request [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► surcharge recharge if there are any [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► inquiries we're gonna have to make some [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► inquiries should 5% appear too small be [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► thankful I don't think about Oh Judah [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► Wilson oh ho mr. Heath sitting in an [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► English guard [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► desperation is the English Way okay so [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► now let's do we owe money do for that so [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► the thing is it won't be would be with [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► no not northern song we would know it to [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► Hera songs we era songs and his lawyers [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and to what was that was that Dave [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► Gilmour yeah you know I thought your [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► wires is playing Dave Gilmour songs in [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► in the newly refreshed Pink Floyd I [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► noticed that too slightly numbers the [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► trailers it never stopped Gilmore from [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► playing waters songs I mean although i [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► don't think that gilmore ever played [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► pros and cons of hitchhiking this all [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► comes off shaky 30 oh look you know why [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► on the custom pool why that was the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► symbol that should that record had good [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► songs on it but I just remember but on [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the cover there's a daily prominent [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► ladies but on the cover was a prominent [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► bud mm-hmm it's really those a big but [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► error not not large as in not large as [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► in butts I can't deny but more like in [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► that era you just saw some big shiny [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► butts all the time I know what you got [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► that was his name from lover boy Mike [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► love is that his name mikri know you got [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► his butt on the cover of the album there [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► are a lot of butts butts and berets oh [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► well think about Bruce Springsteen [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► grease pencils so 10 million copies of [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► that that's right born down in a dead [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► man's town now see how I'm gonna Bruce [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► Springsteen money me glee could pull him [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► in maybe we could get at him an equity [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► share in pyramids we should bring in [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► some of these artists enough to pay for [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► quoting their songs you know the pros [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► and cons of hitchhiking record to cover [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► now that I'm looking at it at the time [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► that this came out right which would [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► have been 118 you eat too yeah buddy too [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► so 1982 right this is this is a key time [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► for me in the development of my sense of [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► what it is what what what life is going [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► to be right 1982 so I am 13 uh-huh and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► I'm just I'm just evolving uh what does [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► you no likey a lot of people's like [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► sexuality starts to evolve you know your [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► sexuality starts to evolve viv with it [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► within a pretty wide range of time right [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► I think you're you start your sexuality [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► starts to [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► all obviously when you're a little child [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► but as you get to be like in your teens [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► puberty comes into play and all of a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► sudden you have these strange feelings [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► but you're looking around can't decide [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► who's more important your peers or the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► or the others you know the other side [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► where your where your romantic interest [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► lies and you're thinking you know what [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► who do I owe my allegiance to what's the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► best way to go about this how do i [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► navigate this territory and I really [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► struggled in this time I know everybody [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► does but I really didn't know what to do [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► at all and part of it was that I didn't [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► have a very good idea of what my desire [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► was I wasn't sure what exactly I desired [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► Sonny on the other side of the of the [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► divide right I wasn't sure if I was [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► straight or gay for a long time I [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► struggled with the idea you know what I [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► wasn't I couldn't exactly nail down what [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► I was looking for in somebody else not [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► not physically not emotionally not [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► anything you know and so I was I was in [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► this fog of like is that attractive to [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► me is this attractive to me is this [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► person attractive is that person [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► attractive couldn't say for the life of [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► me and it's not that I it's not that I [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► wasn't attracted to any of those people [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► are things I was attracted to them kind [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► of all and but I but you know what was [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► my taste I guess I didn't know i mean [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► you know do i mean i feel you because [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► there's this thing of if you think about [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► it like casually know like my hmm you [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► know my daughter's nine and she's like [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► doing some stuff more like she's think [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► about her hair a little more picking out [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► outfits and stuff and I could just feel [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► like it's probably like the tip of the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► spear of you know this coming into her [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► own but you think about for that you're [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► describing how like this stuff starts [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► from such a young age and it's but it's [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► so impossibly abstract cuz like you're [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► describing here like in my straight am i [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► gay like what does that even mean well [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► you know like I could be attracted to [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► this but but not that but like you know [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► I'm saying like you know so so like let [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► me show you this it's like when one of [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► the things in National Geographic world [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► we zoom way in on something go and no [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► here's this image are you attracted that [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► oh you're a fact like the wrong bus it's [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► so weird that's so strange and you're [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► expected to derive your entire adult [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► identity based on like guessing how to [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► answer that question right it's so [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► I'd it really was no no actually it's [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► not a but it's an elbow you're a pervert [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► like it's so weird well and and and at [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► at that particular time right there was [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► a like to if you think back to and this [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► again will sound crazy to to younger [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► people but like there were body types [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► that were not just preferred but it was [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► like the body type of the era right if [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► you think back to the Victorian times [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► and you have this tiny little waist in [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► this giant you know that the like a hoop [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► skirt in order to imitate like the [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► biggest possible but you think about [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► yeah yeah the tiniest little ways them [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► there's women I know today would not [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► want to bow in the back of a dress and [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► yet back then you'd get a bustle you'd [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► get a buffle right 1950s you got your [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► you get your Marilyn Monroe point2 [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► points and then in the in the 60s this [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► model called Twiggy came along who was [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► rail thin and she was sort of imitating [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► the style of the 1920s the kind of a [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► flapper body which was like you know [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► small bust small hips just sort of [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► narrow lean androgynous form and then in [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► the 80s in the 70s well in the 70s yeah [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► right i guess playback rate in the [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► middle of the Jane Fonda let's get [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► physical era let's get physical error [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► right where there was a lot of like [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► everybody was in really good the ideal [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► let's say we really good physical shape [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► but it still was like big breasts like [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► uh like I guess I guess this was the era [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► big breasts small but maybe that's good [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► anyway a tight but what type but this [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► was a this was still at a time when [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► there was a kind of a single idea [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► culture wide of what beauty was and it's [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► not you know now it's such a diversity [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► of beauty that you could never recall a [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► time probably where less you're a [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► certain age where there was just like [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► well that's beautiful and everything [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► else is weird and at the time when I was [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► coming into my into my agency the sexual [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► the the beauty [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► right which was typically blonde with [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► like blown out hair Farrah Fawcett I [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► mean a faucet didn't have a big bust but [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► she was you know loni anderson right [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► this was the ideal and I and it and it [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► held no attraction to me like I was die [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► did not that was just it did nothing for [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► me didn't ring any bells I was always [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► like much more intrigued by small people [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► with short dark hair regardless of like [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► what their gender was and so the pros [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► and cons of hitchhiking record cover was [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► like very titillating right it's a naked [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► person mm-hmm from behind and I hadn't [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► thought of it in years so I hadn't gone [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► to look at it but when it's a lady it's [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► it's a late I remember it's like a lady [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► with a shiny but in high heels am I [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► remembering it right wearing a backpack [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► sticking out her thumb because she's [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► hitchhiking okay so these are these are [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► considered [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► considered [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the the pros of the cons were seeing [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► this is Japan's right i mean i think for [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► a lot of people this is one of the pros [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► of hitchhikers ask you this or blown [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► glass every rise for free uh you would [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► this was a person that you were [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► hitchhiking that you picked up while [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► hitchhiking i think you would consider [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► the pro if you were most people yeah but [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► you wanna put something on the seat [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► probably oh sure a towel wow this is [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► much more poorly produced i remember [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► yeah it's a really bad the art is really [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► bad it looks like a looks like gay what [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► sort of looking for like like a Winston [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► Smith thing for dead kennedys like it's [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► really weird yeah or or somebody's [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► initially had the idea like let's do one [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► of those Warhol's like they required a [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► ralph steadman kind of look but we can't [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► afford Ralph Steadman yeah right so [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► we'll throw some paint at a picture of a [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► girl but if you look at her picture now [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► she's extremely thin she's very tall and [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► lean yeah but I remember it being [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► described at the time of like oh it's [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► you know this is like a big butt or I [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► remember about some bigger at the time [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► not not not a pejorative but you know [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► but like it really stood out and what [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► I'm saying is I think that record like [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► put in it it was the type of cultural [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► thing that went wide where it changed [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► how we looked at butts it really did it [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► change how i look at buds yeah and and [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► I'd like to on I'd like to unwrap I'd [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► like to go back in time and not have [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► that have affected my oh interesting you [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► want to kind of really write those those [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► blocks yeah yeah I think so I mean I [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► think that it is I think it did me a [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► disservice it did us all a disservice oh [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► yeah you have that particular but which [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► is a fine but let me not just let me not [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► disparage that one but i do not i did [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► that is not the size of but that I think [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► is like what would be considered like [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► normal sized or even like that's not [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► that's not my tasting buds let's say and [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► I think that it affected my ability to [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► have a taste in a different kind of but [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► for a little brief period where I was [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► like Jesus VII is this that's a if [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► that's a big but let me tell you I'm [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► living in the wrong country mr. yeah [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► it's almost like you got only see [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► miscalibrated [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► miss hybrid if you are a piece of lab [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► equipment like you would be functioning [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► within normal parameters without ever [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► knowing that even though you are [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► accurate to how you were calibrated that [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► calibration was not a good calibration [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► so here's an interesting factoid that [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► the model of that but uh uh is a woman [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► named Lindsay drew Lindsay spelt with an [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► i zi li and zi Lindsay Lindsay drew ok [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► we should we should hire she's only 10 [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► years older than I don't get around the [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► ground floor of pyramids well I feel [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► like she would be a perfect spokesperson [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► for pyramids would she but show her but [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► no no no but she can speak from a place [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► of wisdom that's exactly right she could [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► speak from a place of she could speak [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► from a time when her when she understood [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► that her butt was like a taste making [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► but mmm but also she's had a lot of [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► experience she uh she did quite a bit of [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► nude modeling at the time and then [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► became sort of a I know she well she [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► retired from that OIC adult films yeah [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► and she has also then she was an actress [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► she appeared in American Werewolf in [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► London I love that movie oh she's in [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► layer of the way worm yeah I don't know [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► what that is oh that's what is a Ken [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► Russell it's got Amanda Donahue a very [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► young um Peter Capaldi hmm never seen it [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► oh it's one's got a Hugh Grant him cute [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► very young Hugh Grant it is such a [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► whackadoo movie Oh Simon's last dance no [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► way british horror film that fence so [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► anyway mistress monique aww she has a [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► child named tiger tiger drew honey this [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► is the type of thing that without the [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► internet we could never possibly know [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► that though that the woman from the [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► cover of The Late what Roger Waters is [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► great album pros and cons of hitchhiking [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► his first solo album if you if you do [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► not consider the final cut Roger water [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► solo album which some which some be [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► incorrect is that for another show um [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► but that she that model who made such a [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► great impact on us at the time actually [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► was in a movie with Hugh Grant we could [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► never have known that if it wasn't for [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► the existence of the internet and then [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► here we are this is off you think we're [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► better off you know it's thing about [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► this the other day and I don't know if I [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► don't know if we've covered this in as [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► greater detail as I think we should and [TS]