The Incomparable

171: Pirate Politics (A Winter Reading List)


00:00:01   the Intolerable number 171 November 2030 [TS]

00:00:09   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:10   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason snail [TS]

00:00:12   and we're back with a sequel to episode [TS]

00:00:14   99 if you consult your uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:17   reference materials that I you no doubt [TS]

00:00:20   bring out before you listen to every [TS]

00:00:22   episode to tally how many times I [TS]

00:00:24   comment about how many books Scott multi [TS]

00:00:27   reads or how many references to david [TS]

00:00:30   Flores the next day and more'n or you [TS]

00:00:32   know you i can't really expect anybody [TS]

00:00:34   to count the number of times we talk [TS]

00:00:36   about Glendinning because that's like [TS]

00:00:37   nearly an infinite number if my math is [TS]

00:00:40   correct but anyway you'll discover that [TS]

00:00:42   episode 99 with something we call the [TS]

00:00:43   summer reading list which was not really [TS]

00:00:45   a draft so much as just a an opportunity [TS]

00:00:48   for us to pick books that we like that [TS]

00:00:50   we wanted to recommend that everybody [TS]

00:00:51   out there might want to read we got a [TS]

00:00:54   lot of feedback from people saying hey [TS]

00:00:55   I'm looking for a good book to read you [TS]

00:00:58   got any suggestions and so we're doing [TS]

00:00:59   it again and so that was the summer [TS]

00:01:01   reading list I guess this is the winter [TS]

00:01:03   reading list although there's no theme [TS]

00:01:04   intended here other than books we like [TS]

00:01:07   and by the time we're done you should [TS]

00:01:08   have more than a dozen books that you [TS]

00:01:11   cannot consider to put on your own [TS]

00:01:13   reading list or if you want if you're [TS]

00:01:15   expecting gifts this holiday season [TS]

00:01:17   put on your gift list and have a and [TS]

00:01:20   have your loved ones buy them for you [TS]

00:01:22   so everybody's going to pick some books [TS]

00:01:23   they like and talk about them a little [TS]

00:01:24   bit and that's the whole show [TS]

00:01:26   let me introduce these people who are [TS]

00:01:28   who have read at least three books to [TS]

00:01:31   comprise a list [TS]

00:01:32   David lore as i mentioned before he's on [TS]

00:01:35   almost every podcast but dan morons not [TS]

00:01:37   on hi David [TS]

00:01:39   hello I'm still talking about the Glen [TS]

00:01:42   innings and in my cleaning ledger two [TS]

00:01:44   separate book actually witches it's a [TS]

00:01:46   cookbook [TS]

00:01:47   it's a cookbook doesn't count against [TS]

00:01:49   your 30 it's not a very good read no i'm [TS]

00:01:52   not i wouldn't recommend not Glenn [TS]

00:01:53   fleischmann a4 mentioned is here hi [TS]

00:01:55   Kline hello [TS]

00:01:56   I shall mention no German novels this [TS]

00:01:58   evening it's too bad the sorrows young [TS]

00:02:00   birther is actually not that not that [TS]

00:02:02   bad but next Island fun [TS]

00:02:04   that's right ya next time Lisa [TS]

00:02:06   Schmeisser is also here [TS]

00:02:08   hi Lisa hi good to have you here thank [TS]

00:02:11   you it's nice to be here [TS]

00:02:12   Erica and sign is back with us again hi [TS]

00:02:15   Erica [TS]

00:02:16   hello nice to be back yes excellent and [TS]

00:02:19   Scott McNulty of course the ringer he's [TS]

00:02:21   read all the books you can pick any [TS]

00:02:23   look and welcome Scott winter is coming [TS]

00:02:27   Jason yeah that's right and you need [TS]

00:02:28   books you need books to burn for warm as [TS]

00:02:34   you need them [TS]

00:02:35   so is this why you read the george RR [TS]

00:02:36   martin is it last longer in a blizzard [TS]

00:02:38   yeah exactly you can enjoy a page it [TS]

00:02:41   before you burn it [TS]

00:02:42   yeah that's right i have a cottage built [TS]

00:02:44   entirely of Stephen King novels for that [TS]

00:02:46   reason Jim la creepiest cottage is not [TS]

00:02:51   of stephen king himself so because I I [TS]

00:02:55   just can't resist the the draft format [TS]

00:02:58   we will least pick in some sort of order [TS]

00:02:59   and I've asked my panelists not to pick [TS]

00:03:02   any of the books that were in episode 99 [TS]

00:03:04   because we don't want to be the kind of [TS]

00:03:06   friends who keep recommending the same [TS]

00:03:09   books to you over and over again that [TS]

00:03:10   gets boring so we're going to be we're [TS]

00:03:12   gonna do things a little differently and [TS]

00:03:13   i'm going to start with Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:03:16   what do you--what do you have with your [TS]

00:03:18   first recommendation my first [TS]

00:03:20   recommendation is Christopher Moore's [TS]

00:03:22   the last lizard of melancholy cove I've [TS]

00:03:26   never heard of this really is a whole [TS]

00:03:28   Israel are you getting on it is a beta [TS]

00:03:32   book now the less lizard of melancholy [TS]

00:03:34   Cove is probably the best entry to his [TS]

00:03:38   increasing body of work [TS]

00:03:40   christopher moore is an author based out [TS]

00:03:42   of central to Northern California who [TS]

00:03:44   may be known in less fantasy and sci-fi [TS]

00:03:47   circles for his book lamb the gospel of [TS]

00:03:52   biff christ's childhood pal and i highly [TS]

00:03:55   recommend land but in order to figure [TS]

00:03:57   out whether or not you like Chris more [TS]

00:03:58   as a whole [TS]

00:03:59   you should read the last lizard of [TS]

00:04:01   melancholy co-first it's about an [TS]

00:04:03   ancient sea creature which gets aroused [TS]

00:04:07   by a leak at a local nuclear plant [TS]

00:04:09   somehow stumbled into a trailer park [TS]

00:04:11   assumes protective coloration and in [TS]

00:04:15   order to lure his prey he sends out [TS]

00:04:17   vibes that somehow managed to readjust [TS]

00:04:19   everybody's mental health problems and [TS]

00:04:20   libido and gradually the residents of [TS]

00:04:23   the town which include a psychiatrist [TS]

00:04:25   who's watching her clientele drop off a [TS]

00:04:28   pothead sheriff and X scream queen who [TS]

00:04:33   is also a paranoid schizophrenic [TS]

00:04:36   and a wildlife naturalist team up to [TS]

00:04:39   figure out what's going on and get this [TS]

00:04:40   in and get the big monster back in the [TS]

00:04:42   ocean it's SuperDuper funny humane and [TS]

00:04:45   compassionate and once you read that you [TS]

00:04:48   can then move on to things like oh gosh [TS]

00:04:53   bite me which is about vampires living [TS]

00:04:54   in San Francisco you can then move onto [TS]

00:04:57   the island of the sequence love none [TS]

00:05:00   which is about an organ running [TS]

00:05:01   operations somewhere in the southeast [TS]

00:05:03   and it all culminates in creating his [TS]

00:05:05   heartwarming classic about Christmas [TS]

00:05:06   zombies called the stupidest angel [TS]

00:05:09   anyway i highly recommend the less [TS]

00:05:12   lizard of melancholy code it's a nice [TS]

00:05:13   fast read it's light but still touches [TS]

00:05:15   on themes like how people handle career [TS]

00:05:18   disappointments are compromised [TS]

00:05:20   how do you know that the endless [TS]

00:05:21   optimism of trying to reinvent yourself [TS]

00:05:22   and of course what you do when a giant [TS]

00:05:24   lost lizard falls in love with a crazy [TS]

00:05:26   woman who once played on Kendra warrior [TS]

00:05:29   princess of the outback wow wow that's [TS]

00:05:33   so that's a really serious button-down [TS]

00:05:35   kinda low yeah only serious people read [TS]

00:05:38   those books but the fact that I gotta [TS]

00:05:40   say island of the sequence love none was [TS]

00:05:42   my my entry [TS]

00:05:43   yeah to his books I mean way way back [TS]

00:05:46   and it was like first out because I [TS]

00:05:49   literally saw the title i didn't even [TS]

00:05:50   look at the back of the book I went mine [TS]

00:05:53   yes Tucker the pirate oh my gosh better [TS]

00:05:57   and sleep [TS]

00:05:57   yeah you find out what happens to tuck [TS]

00:05:59   her in CP in the stupid Christmas like I [TS]

00:06:01   have them all lined up here [TS]

00:06:03   oh yeah oh yeah you're gonna like one of [TS]

00:06:05   my later pics yeah oh oh oh my gosh yeah [TS]

00:06:09   another one who I almost went for full [TS]

00:06:12   because i really loved his take on [TS]

00:06:14   leader and I see I wanted to write that [TS]

00:06:16   as a play and that came out like a month [TS]

00:06:18   later is acceptable board so good to its [TS]

00:06:22   it is it the Chris but Kristen Moore's a [TS]

00:06:26   lot like terry pratchett who are poor [TS]

00:06:28   showing in that as he's gotten older [TS]

00:06:30   he's tackled more serious themes and has [TS]

00:06:33   been less a friend has been you know he [TS]

00:06:34   still brings the funny but he's also not [TS]

00:06:37   afraid to to pull at your heartstrings [TS]

00:06:39   and and talk about the universal Church [TS]

00:06:41   is a human life and and full is is [TS]

00:06:44   probably at the top of the genre for [TS]

00:06:46   that but I really think that if you want [TS]

00:06:49   start with early [TS]

00:06:49   the first book is practical demon [TS]

00:06:51   keeping which gives you a taste to him [TS]

00:06:53   but I really don't think he came into [TS]

00:06:54   his own until less sensitive of [TS]

00:06:57   melancholy cove yeah and so I would read [TS]

00:07:00   that and then if you want then go back [TS]

00:07:02   and backtracked a practical demon [TS]

00:07:03   keeping which ex is kind of a prequel [TS]

00:07:05   and then you read that the vampire [TS]

00:07:07   series which is bite me and you stock [TS]

00:07:10   and that are some and then there's the [TS]

00:07:14   one he does about the Angel of Death [TS]

00:07:15   taking over San Francisco for a little [TS]

00:07:16   bit and I can't remember that one of the [TS]

00:07:19   top of my head and and then of course [TS]

00:07:21   there's lamb which I read almost every [TS]

00:07:23   year around Easter so I feel like this [TS]

00:07:25   guy is like a boat uh-oh of a I don't [TS]

00:07:27   know byline vampire or something where I [TS]

00:07:29   like I can't see him [TS]

00:07:31   i I just it's it's weird I feel like [TS]

00:07:33   I've I should have heard of him and [TS]

00:07:35   maybe I have but it certainly didn't [TS]

00:07:37   stick so that's cool that's a great one [TS]

00:07:39   I love it when I'm completely taken by [TS]

00:07:42   surprise by a choice so when Scott pics [TS]

00:07:44   a book about Hitler later they are all [TS]

00:07:50   about Hitler [TS]

00:07:51   yeah well and I won't be surprised and [TS]

00:07:53   so i won't be impressed got all right so [TS]

00:07:56   that's great [TS]

00:07:57   Lisa thank you very much let's move on [TS]

00:07:58   to David Lord David what's your [TS]

00:08:00   selection [TS]

00:08:01   well for my first pic I'm gonna kind of [TS]

00:08:04   cheap because i have an omnibus book [TS]

00:08:05   with the trilogy and it [TS]

00:08:08   oh yeah okay whatever it's fine [TS]

00:08:11   the rules are not first off Steve lesson [TS]

00:08:13   here and i bedeviled him with rules and [TS]

00:08:15   second we're just trying to do good here [TS]

00:08:19   if someone here pick it up as an omnibus [TS]

00:08:21   it's all the more convenient right it's [TS]

00:08:23   not so much the honors several books he [TS]

00:08:25   took the covers off and glued together [TS]

00:08:26   that's pretty that's a yes I'm gonna [TS]

00:08:29   support this one hundred percent [TS]

00:08:30   foreshadowing oh dear ok what is what is [TS]

00:08:33   happening already [TS]

00:08:35   Scott is a very well-behaved orderly [TS]

00:08:40   what some might say person is true also [TS]

00:08:44   doing it his books about Hitler wind-up [TS]

00:08:47   orderly life I David you were going to [TS]

00:08:50   pick the trilogy a trilogy called the [TS]

00:08:53   deptford trilogy by Robertson Davies [TS]

00:08:57   is a Canadian novelist and I mean he was [TS]

00:09:01   basically lived through the entire 20th [TS]

00:09:04   century passed away just around the turn [TS]

00:09:07   of the century this year this bet the [TS]

00:09:09   century but even even that a lot of [TS]

00:09:12   people have considered him like the [TS]

00:09:13   Canadian Dickens because he he writes [TS]

00:09:18   these you just immensely detailed [TS]

00:09:21   stories of life in Canada throughout the [TS]

00:09:24   century and this one is kind of an [TS]

00:09:27   amazing trilogy it's not even that the [TS]

00:09:29   first one that I got into but it's [TS]

00:09:30   probably his best the first part of it [TS]

00:09:34   is called fifth business and it's about [TS]

00:09:37   these two men who grow up in that like [TS]

00:09:41   the beginning of the 20th century the [TS]

00:09:42   end of the 19th century and one of them [TS]

00:09:45   is sort of a scholarly gentleman the [TS]

00:09:48   other one is the son of a politician he [TS]

00:09:51   grows up to be a big businessman he's a [TS]

00:09:55   nasty piece of work and as children the [TS]

00:09:59   son of the politician packs a rock into [TS]

00:10:02   a snowball and tries to throw it at the [TS]

00:10:05   academic kid who ducks and it hits a [TS]

00:10:08   pregnant woman and causes her to go into [TS]

00:10:10   labor and all three books spin out of [TS]

00:10:15   that single incident which is kind of [TS]

00:10:18   amazing [TS]

00:10:19   so the first book is about the academic [TS]

00:10:22   growing up and sort of him watching how [TS]

00:10:24   the other kid is just evil and nasty and [TS]

00:10:28   manages to become this big businessman [TS]

00:10:30   the second book is from the point of [TS]

00:10:33   view of the son of the businessman going [TS]

00:10:36   through therapy trying to understand his [TS]

00:10:39   father and understand what his father [TS]

00:10:41   did [TS]

00:10:42   that's called the manticore and then the [TS]

00:10:45   last book is called world of wonders and [TS]

00:10:48   it's about the kid who was born as a [TS]

00:10:51   result of the early labor [TS]

00:10:53   he became a hobo for a while and then [TS]

00:10:56   turns into a world-renowned magician and [TS]

00:11:00   sort of manages to get his revenge in [TS]

00:11:02   the end it's amazing and just the [TS]

00:11:05   thought that all of these bizarre [TS]

00:11:07   wonderful stories spin out of [TS]

00:11:09   a kid throwing a snowball just blew my [TS]

00:11:13   mind when i read it was canada but it's [TS]

00:11:16   kinda yeah [TS]

00:11:17   happens all the time so snowballs are [TS]

00:11:18   available so so lots of beer and bacon [TS]

00:11:21   and everyone says hey it's wonderful i [TS]

00:11:24   was I will second to this argumentation [TS]

00:11:27   huh i have read all of mr. Davies novels [TS]

00:11:31   and they are fantastic I oddly enough i [TS]

00:11:34   read them because Moxie previous [TS]

00:11:36   canadian band song called my baby loves [TS]

00:11:40   a bunch of authors which mentions [TS]

00:11:41   Robertson Davies that maybe look up [TS]

00:11:43   Robertson Davies and then I read all his [TS]

00:11:45   books thanks mark service that's [TS]

00:11:50   fantastic i have to say i mean as much [TS]

00:11:52   as I love this this is actually the [TS]

00:11:53   better written trilogy i prefer the [TS]

00:11:56   Cornish trilogy which came much later [TS]

00:11:58   he's he sort of goes exponentially [TS]

00:12:01   bazaar in that one so I i like that but [TS]

00:12:04   this is a very tight really nicely done [TS]

00:12:07   piece of work so alright so we have a [TS]

00:12:10   canadian author and Scott just mentioned [TS]

00:12:14   the canadian band [TS]

00:12:15   let's move on to our panelists was [TS]

00:12:17   married to a Canadian Erica what is your [TS]

00:12:20   selection it is a Canadian it's actually [TS]

00:12:23   i don't think it is i'm not really sure [TS]

00:12:24   i don't know a whole lot about this [TS]

00:12:25   author but my first book is a book [TS]

00:12:28   called monument by a fellow named Lloyd [TS]

00:12:30   bagel junior which is was published in [TS]

00:12:33   1974 very old science fiction book and I [TS]

00:12:37   know you said that we didn't have to [TS]

00:12:38   have a winter theme but i actually do [TS]

00:12:40   refer to this book as either my winter [TS]

00:12:43   book or my bathtub book because i read [TS]

00:12:46   it every single winter in the bathtub [TS]

00:12:47   and it's not actually about winter at [TS]

00:12:50   all it's about a planet that is [TS]

00:12:52   completely a paradise [TS]

00:12:55   it'sit's almost entirely water it's [TS]

00:12:57   totally tropical there are wonderful [TS]

00:12:59   things to eat the temperature is always [TS]

00:13:01   perfect there sandy beaches and it's [TS]

00:13:04   lovely and it's just kind of a nice [TS]

00:13:05   place to escape to for me in the winter [TS]

00:13:08   well I'm gonna warm bath it's freezing [TS]

00:13:09   cold outside I think after i moved to [TS]

00:13:12   Edmonton i'll be reading it twice every [TS]

00:13:13   year but anyway so it takes place far [TS]

00:13:18   far in the future when at a time when [TS]

00:13:19   interstellar travel is kinda no big deal [TS]

00:13:22   humans have come [TS]

00:13:23   analyzed all over the galaxy and a [TS]

00:13:25   fellow named Serrano Brian crash-lands [TS]

00:13:28   his spaceship on this paradise planet [TS]

00:13:30   and he eventually realizes that he needs [TS]

00:13:34   to protect it because eventually some [TS]

00:13:36   big terrible nasty corporation is going [TS]

00:13:38   to come in and try to take over and and [TS]

00:13:40   ruin what these lovely natives on this [TS]

00:13:42   planet have everything is just in [TS]

00:13:44   perfect balance and he doesn't want that [TS]

00:13:46   to get thrown off so he comes up with a [TS]

00:13:48   plan and that's plan with a capital P [TS]

00:13:50   and i'm not going to say any more about [TS]

00:13:53   it than that because i actually want [TS]

00:13:55   people to read it and it's one of those [TS]

00:13:57   books that just unfolds really nicely i [TS]

00:14:00   didn't see the end coming maybe you will [TS]

00:14:03   I'm not very good at that sort of thing [TS]

00:14:04   so but anyway sort of hilarity ensues [TS]

00:14:07   along with a healthy dose of mystery [TS]

00:14:09   confusion frustration hopelessness it [TS]

00:14:11   kind of runs the gamut goes up and down [TS]

00:14:13   it's it's a very quick read [TS]

00:14:15   it's very simple it's just kind of a [TS]

00:14:16   classic like pulpy sci-fi type story and [TS]

00:14:20   apparently is based on a short story [TS]

00:14:21   didn't know that until i looked it up [TS]

00:14:23   today to prep for this but it is one of [TS]

00:14:26   my all-time favorite books i just love [TS]

00:14:27   love love it [TS]

00:14:29   wow ok so approving that I am a complete [TS]

00:14:33   in great i have not heard of any of the [TS]

00:14:35   books that you guys have talked about [TS]

00:14:37   you [TS]

00:14:37   that's great that's the whole point of [TS]

00:14:39   the podcast your know it is it's great [TS]

00:14:41   it is it's due to help out in greats [TS]

00:14:43   like me [TS]

00:14:43   okay okay so-so get break already brace [TS]

00:14:46   yourselves because I can only imagine [TS]

00:14:48   things are going to get even more [TS]

00:14:49   impressive now when Scott McNulty makes [TS]

00:14:51   his selection so Scott so no prejudice [TS]

00:14:56   this book is about a young boy was born [TS]

00:14:58   in Austria destined for great know [TS]

00:15:02   it is not about Hitler it is a black car [TS]

00:15:05   I'm gonna pick up a book just came out [TS]

00:15:08   this year and it's a debut novel called [TS]

00:15:12   ancillary justice by Ann Leckie I guess [TS]

00:15:16   that's how I don't have scissors as last [TS]

00:15:18   name but that's how I said so there you [TS]

00:15:21   go [TS]

00:15:21   so it's a space opera it reminded me [TS]

00:15:23   very much of tnm banks who is dead so we [TS]

00:15:27   won't be needing any more of his books I [TS]

00:15:29   will [TS]

00:15:30   well that's true because i haven't read [TS]

00:15:31   one of the two of them so we won't [TS]

00:15:34   really get a new is we will be producing [TS]

00:15:36   anything [TS]

00:15:37   fair enough and its first set of the [TS]

00:15:39   space opera it focuses on this one [TS]

00:15:42   character called brick who is actually [TS]

00:15:45   in in this universe there are these [TS]

00:15:49   artificial intelligences that run ships [TS]

00:15:51   which sounds very familiar true the [TS]

00:15:53   culture except that which is the en banc [TS]

00:15:55   sitting accept these ships all carry on [TS]

00:15:58   ancillary fees which are conquered [TS]

00:16:02   beings that this race conquerors and [TS]

00:16:05   freezes and then uses their bodies to [TS]

00:16:08   become an extension of the ship's AI so [TS]

00:16:12   every ship has thousands upon thousands [TS]

00:16:14   of frozen corpses and it's hold so we [TS]

00:16:16   can send them off and use them as kind [TS]

00:16:19   of like droids and you know it'll go to [TS]

00:16:22   the the different parts of the ship and [TS]

00:16:24   perform different functions so each of [TS]

00:16:26   the ai's breaks up its consciousness [TS]

00:16:28   into thousands of different parts and [TS]

00:16:30   they all act interact and act [TS]

00:16:32   independently and they can all share [TS]

00:16:34   their visions and so this is one of [TS]

00:16:37   these ancillary that's broken off and [TS]

00:16:39   you don't really know why it's by itself [TS]

00:16:40   and its kind of trying to it has a [TS]

00:16:44   mission in mind it's going after the [TS]

00:16:47   leader of this culture this race is [TS]

00:16:50   called the radish and the leader is a [TS]

00:16:52   person who has broken that their [TS]

00:16:55   consciousness over thousands of [TS]

00:16:57   different bodies so they are on each of [TS]

00:16:59   the conquered planets that they haven't [TS]

00:17:01   have different palaces that they inhabit [TS]

00:17:02   so it's a fascinating book and this this [TS]

00:17:07   race its language has no concept of [TS]

00:17:09   gender and so there are lots of [TS]

00:17:11   different races they the character [TS]

00:17:13   interacts with but aight this [TS]

00:17:15   person can't really Express gender so [TS]

00:17:17   you never know what the gender of the [TS]

00:17:20   character that they're talking about is [TS]

00:17:22   until another character addresses them [TS]

00:17:25   so it's very it's a very interesting [TS]

00:17:27   read and it's coming at a space opera in [TS]

00:17:30   a different way than I've ever [TS]

00:17:31   experienced before so check it out [TS]

00:17:33   I've heard of that one only because I i [TS]

00:17:37   think the author or wrote a blog post [TS]

00:17:39   about the the challenge of of [TS]

00:17:43   understanding artificial intelligence [TS]

00:17:45   from the perspective of that which is [TS]

00:17:47   like multiple bodies and and and the [TS]

00:17:50   challenge of portraying that I i just i [TS]

00:17:52   read that a few weeks ago so that's very [TS]

00:17:53   cool [TS]

00:17:54   you should read the book i will i will [TS]

00:17:55   i'll do that it's the Scot MacDonald [TS]

00:17:57   guarantee it exists you guarantee that i [TS]

00:18:01   should read it after that is my problem [TS]

00:18:06   I glad it's your turn what I know i read [TS]

00:18:10   a book I this book was actually [TS]

00:18:12   recommended to me by someone who I feel [TS]

00:18:14   terrible because they said oh if you [TS]

00:18:17   like these books like I think in one [TS]

00:18:19   episode was talking about Shiva 3000 [TS]

00:18:21   bhai jaan Lars jensen and celestial [TS]

00:18:24   matters by Richard Garfinkel which I [TS]

00:18:26   could talk about a little bit later to [TS]

00:18:27   his good books but i think i mentioned [TS]

00:18:29   those another episode and they said well [TS]

00:18:30   if you like that you should read Lord of [TS]

00:18:32   Light by Rogers allows mean I said [TS]

00:18:34   that's funny I have never read any [TS]

00:18:36   Rogers lastly which makes me a terrible [TS]

00:18:38   terrible science-fiction fan I because [TS]

00:18:40   it does I because you should basically [TS]

00:18:42   have read I think Henry others are [TS]

00:18:44   really laughs I'm just i'll leave now so [TS]

00:18:46   this podcast is over [TS]

00:18:47   that's right and uh I have a feeling [TS]

00:18:50   that when i was younger i try to read [TS]

00:18:51   something and it was impenetrable I just [TS]

00:18:53   never came back with all that guy's one [TS]

00:18:54   of those you know robert silverberg [TS]

00:18:55   people or something and oh and so I so I [TS]

00:19:01   picked this up again from the library [TS]

00:19:02   and it is completely fantastic and [TS]

00:19:05   amazing and it's was written the year i [TS]

00:19:07   was born won the hugo that year was a [TS]

00:19:10   finalist for the nebula and for best [TS]

00:19:13   novel and was kind of sounds like the [TS]

00:19:15   basis of his career and I can see why [TS]

00:19:18   like that was the year he broke out any [TS]

00:19:19   word a bazillion books after that but [TS]

00:19:22   never revisited this universe so if you [TS]

00:19:23   read it you have to content yourself at [TS]

00:19:26   some level with the fact that [TS]

00:19:27   this is it like he went here once and it [TS]

00:19:29   was great and then he moved on to other [TS]

00:19:31   things so the the premise is always [TS]

00:19:34   written a year before birth rate 1967 [TS]

00:19:36   one the next year for these words so the [TS]

00:19:38   premise is like those other books i [TS]

00:19:40   mentioned where I can I was kind of [TS]

00:19:42   enjoying the idea of looking at science [TS]

00:19:46   fiction through the lens of other [TS]

00:19:47   pathologies and so celestial matters for [TS]

00:19:50   instance it's the Greek and chinese and [TS]

00:19:53   so forth like every cultures philosophy [TS]

00:19:55   about how the world works pretty our [TS]

00:19:57   prior to Imperial empirical science is [TS]

00:20:00   actually literally true which is kind of [TS]

00:20:03   cool so in Lord of Light it's not quite [TS]

00:20:05   like that but it's appears to be a [TS]

00:20:07   planet in which a new gods are walking [TS]

00:20:10   around there's tons of them they seem to [TS]

00:20:12   have powers and as the book goes on i [TS]

00:20:14   feel like i shouldn't give away too much [TS]

00:20:16   because it's great revelation about you [TS]

00:20:18   he unclear lolz layer and layer and [TS]

00:20:22   layer away until you actually understand [TS]

00:20:25   quite how hard a sci-fi novel this is [TS]

00:20:28   compared to what you think it is when [TS]

00:20:29   you start and I think it must have been [TS]

00:20:32   an era when there was a really was a big [TS]

00:20:35   wall between fantasy and sci-fi and I [TS]

00:20:37   feel like this is partly an attempt to [TS]

00:20:39   not pierce the wall but there's a little [TS]

00:20:41   bit but sort of weave in some of the [TS]

00:20:43   things that are best about myth-making [TS]

00:20:45   and fantasy into the rocketship you know [TS]

00:20:49   super advanced science world and quite [TS]

00:20:54   quite lovely i'm so there are things [TS]

00:20:55   that are sort of very fantasy yes even [TS]

00:20:58   in the middle of hard science and vice [TS]

00:20:59   versa so yeah I guess I don't want it is [TS]

00:21:03   something I want to tell so much [TS]

00:21:04   there's two cool things about it i found [TS]

00:21:05   out just looking up the details one is [TS]

00:21:07   that george RR martin has an anecdote [TS]

00:21:10   about it so we gotta bring him and he [TS]

00:21:12   said apparently that last he told him [TS]

00:21:14   that he had a single pun in his head [TS]

00:21:18   that makes you think of the entire novel [TS]

00:21:19   The Punisher subscribe not gonna tell it [TS]

00:21:21   the other is that they were going to [TS]

00:21:23   make a huge huge super expensive motion [TS]

00:21:27   picture of this film [TS]

00:21:28   yeah in in right in the early nineties [TS]

00:21:31   people see the movie notice and then [TS]

00:21:32   Jack's army drew all over me right crazy [TS]

00:21:35   schedules and all that and it generally [TS]

00:21:36   this amazing they didn't get made and it [TS]

00:21:38   what is the right man that was the basis [TS]

00:21:41   they use this material CIA used it as [TS]

00:21:43   the cover for Argyle trading right Argo [TS]

00:21:47   Argo is drive directly from the Lord of [TS]

00:21:49   language p why wasnt percent but it's um [TS]

00:21:52   so the reason I liked it so much though [TS]

00:21:54   is it's it's a very clever in its own [TS]

00:21:58   way but it's not too smart for its own [TS]

00:21:59   good like there's a lot of history [TS]

00:22:02   Buddhism science fiction all crammed [TS]

00:22:07   into the thing but it's beautiful to [TS]

00:22:09   read and it's interesting and characters [TS]

00:22:12   are richly painted and his betrayal and [TS]

00:22:16   it's just you feel like he's packed 17 [TS]

00:22:18   books and one but it doesn't feel [TS]

00:22:20   overwritten it's just he packs the [TS]

00:22:21   passage of time in there really terrific [TS]

00:22:24   Lee and I guess the other part is that [TS]

00:22:26   it's hard to find a novel quite like [TS]

00:22:28   this i don't remember reading anything [TS]

00:22:29   else that really felt like this book to [TS]

00:22:33   me where the the way in which the [TS]

00:22:36   characters interact with each other I [TS]

00:22:37   the closest thing is now 105 anybody a [TS]

00:22:40   dance Simmons van or Danson's non-fan [TS]

00:22:43   foreshadowing so so there's a book not [TS]

00:22:49   the Hyperion cycle i read his other [TS]

00:22:51   cycle which is called ileum and ol [TS]

00:22:54   impose [TS]

00:22:55   yep i'm so glad i didn't choose those ok [TS]

00:22:57   I'm not today but I'm not gonna bring [TS]

00:22:58   that but I've read them both and i have [TS]

00:23:00   we can talk about the rest of the memory [TS]

00:23:01   of a person but I'm from there are [TS]

00:23:03   aspects that if the Hansen's must have [TS]

00:23:06   read Lord of Light he must have features [TS]

00:23:08   there are aspects that are extensions of [TS]

00:23:11   parallels of it and that's not to say [TS]

00:23:13   the ilium in the Olympics were not [TS]

00:23:14   original works but but you can feel it [TS]

00:23:17   so if you've read those books you have [TS]

00:23:18   to go read this and you just read it [TS]

00:23:20   anyway what I'm just wondering if I [TS]

00:23:22   should go back and read i hated Lord of [TS]

00:23:24   Light really do it he reportedly well if [TS]

00:23:26   they didn't have to love you want to [TS]

00:23:28   love things I love to do that but I i [TS]

00:23:30   like i like the den Simmons books and I [TS]

00:23:32   read Lord of Light when I was young and [TS]

00:23:34   stupid so I'm wondering if maybe i [TS]

00:23:36   should just revisit it but this is my [TS]

00:23:37   thing i think i read little as me when I [TS]

00:23:39   was like 12 or 13 and I was reading [TS]

00:23:41   azimoff I was really azimoff i say this [TS]

00:23:44   car horrible tone is up yeah you know [TS]

00:23:46   that guy as my fully wrote seven hundred [TS]

00:23:48   thousand books [TS]

00:23:49   actually I made him picked it picked an [TS]

00:23:51   episode 99 but yeah that's true i wanted [TS]

00:23:54   to pick the Foundation series again I do [TS]

00:23:56   yeah so you're always reading a small [TS]

00:23:57   that is the last day compared to azimoff [TS]

00:23:59   way to Z not intentional you'd say like [TS]

00:24:03   wow this guy doesn't know what he's [TS]

00:24:04   doing it so forward and what the hell [TS]

00:24:06   you don't know anything and now 30-plus [TS]

00:24:08   years later like I have an understanding [TS]

00:24:10   of mythology [TS]

00:24:11   I like the incredible rich layer [TS]

00:24:13   delusion that would have been [TS]

00:24:14   meaningless to me so I don't know I i [TS]

00:24:16   think i would not identify like i don't [TS]

00:24:18   think i read this one but i bet i read [TS]

00:24:20   the last me back then because I'm shot [TS]

00:24:21   away from you probably read the amber [TS]

00:24:23   chronicles remember that's what I was [TS]

00:24:24   yeah that was his most popular stop by [TS]

00:24:27   far i started with that and then went on [TS]

00:24:29   to Lord of Light was like oh this was [TS]

00:24:31   not a shame i don't like this at all [TS]

00:24:33   see and I'm a big Dan Simmons fan and I [TS]

00:24:37   actually read ileum and didn't pick up [TS]

00:24:40   and that's essentially one book split [TS]

00:24:41   into two volumes and I did you pick up [TS]

00:24:43   vol.2 I was like net now I just [TS]

00:24:46   completely you're completely like [TS]

00:24:47   killing myself I didn't didn't sit on [TS]

00:24:50   the completest certain level i really [TS]

00:24:51   like these parts of story one element as [TS]

00:24:53   extensions like oh ok [TS]

00:24:55   oh that's that conduct completed thing [TS]

00:24:57   is the worst i have read so many crappy [TS]

00:24:59   series all the way through [TS]

00:25:01   I think we did a podcast about that [TS]

00:25:02   least yes well i like what you guys are [TS]

00:25:04   talking about doing because i read you [TS]

00:25:05   know I've read like 14 do novels and i [TS]

00:25:07   will not read the other 300 you no good [TS]

00:25:09   you can we draw the line right there [TS]

00:25:11   should be getting good at 295 yeah yeah [TS]

00:25:15   yeah they get that's what they told me [TS]

00:25:17   about the oh they're gonna be so mad at [TS]

00:25:19   me when I say this about that the gym [TS]

00:25:20   butcher uh what's it called [TS]

00:25:23   Oh Harry drapery dressed and novels know [TS]

00:25:26   he got a reading for grilling everything [TS]

00:25:27   the great not really honest when I said [TS]

00:25:29   it's not that great me said no no it [TS]

00:25:30   gets better I'm like I don't know if I [TS]

00:25:32   believe you know as you said they were [TS]

00:25:34   great numbers one good so yeah yeah same [TS]

00:25:38   people people confuse that people [TS]

00:25:40   confuse the cumulative satisfaction and [TS]

00:25:42   and cross in the thrill of making [TS]

00:25:43   connection between different books that [TS]

00:25:45   that whole haha i know something about [TS]

00:25:47   this whole series with the thrill of [TS]

00:25:48   picking up the book for the first time [TS]

00:25:49   getting sucked into the world or maybe [TS]

00:25:51   there's some amortization is like the [TS]

00:25:53   more people who read this the less less [TS]

00:25:55   painful it'll be for any individual one [TS]

00:25:57   tonight haha [TS]

00:25:58   oh no my speedo psychic anguish of you [TS]

00:26:01   reading a book book vampire series book [TS]

00:26:03   vampires is what we're talking about [TS]

00:26:05   okay so I'm gonna go because I always [TS]

00:26:07   the last night Jason and we were just by [TS]

00:26:09   this black asses over [TS]

00:26:10   no we were just talking about Dan [TS]

00:26:13   Simmons and believe it or not that [TS]

00:26:15   actually is what i am picking up picking [TS]

00:26:17   a dance in trouble [TS]

00:26:18   dan simmons is well known for his wife I [TS]

00:26:21   we talked about the hyperion books [TS]

00:26:23   before we just mentioned ilium he's got [TS]

00:26:26   something he's really kind of a genre [TS]

00:26:28   krauser he's got some horror books that [TS]

00:26:31   he's written in some fantasy and so of [TS]

00:26:34   course i'm going to pick his one [TS]

00:26:36   completely mainstream non jon renau [TS]

00:26:38   novel which is called phases of gravity [TS]

00:26:41   i mentioned before it is okay it is one [TS]

00:26:43   of my favorite books of all time [TS]

00:26:45   it's about an astronaut who it's it's [TS]

00:26:49   set in the eighties I think was written [TS]

00:26:50   in the eighties who loses loses a people [TS]

00:26:54   close to him in the Challenger disaster [TS]

00:26:56   he is rethinking his life there there [TS]

00:27:02   are hints of of that this might be more [TS]

00:27:06   of a John ristori at and but really it's [TS]

00:27:10   not in the end not to give too much away [TS]

00:27:12   I mean it really is a story about this [TS]

00:27:14   guy trying to think about his life he he [TS]

00:27:17   you know he was an astronaut he's been [TS]

00:27:19   in space I think he walked on the moon [TS]

00:27:20   but he's retired he's lost these people [TS]

00:27:23   and he's really wondering what the point [TS]

00:27:26   of his entire life is and it's a it's a [TS]

00:27:28   beautiful story I mean I hate to say [TS]

00:27:31   it's a beautiful tale of love and loss [TS]

00:27:33   but you know that that's the Sun that's [TS]

00:27:37   the summary on Goodreads and you know [TS]

00:27:38   that's what it is it is that and um and [TS]

00:27:41   I try to read this every you know every [TS]

00:27:43   15 years or something like that i'm not [TS]

00:27:45   a big reader books but I I find it kinda [TS]

00:27:48   beautiful and I also he's a really good [TS]

00:27:50   writer and I found this this novel you [TS]

00:27:55   know it's appealing because of the [TS]

00:27:57   writing and and I also felt like it was [TS]

00:27:59   personally significant to Dan Simmons in [TS]

00:28:01   some way that he was he was talking [TS]

00:28:03   about some themes that maybe he felt [TS]

00:28:05   like he didn't want to wrap around a [TS]

00:28:08   horror novel or a sci-fi novel [TS]

00:28:11   and and yet because it's about [TS]

00:28:13   astronauts and people who died in space [TS]

00:28:15   shuttle explosion and things like that [TS]

00:28:17   it has a lot of elements that will be [TS]

00:28:19   very familiar to readers of sci-fi [TS]

00:28:22   especially and people who are so big [TS]

00:28:24   science nerds and and I'm I'm those [TS]

00:28:26   people so those people so it works for [TS]

00:28:30   me on that level even though i did it [TS]

00:28:31   you know it is not it's not what it I [TS]

00:28:35   think anyone should call a sci-fi novel [TS]

00:28:36   it really is just sort of a mainstream [TS]

00:28:37   novel and it's beautiful and i love it a [TS]

00:28:39   lot and I i encourage people to read it [TS]

00:28:41   it's not really well known at all it's [TS]

00:28:42   probably the oddball of his entire [TS]

00:28:44   output as a novelist and it is it is my [TS]

00:28:49   favorite I do love Hyperion quite a lot [TS]

00:28:51   but faces of gravity is my favorite [TS]

00:28:54   dance Simmons novel i'm so glad you [TS]

00:28:55   recommended one because I vowed to never [TS]

00:28:57   read it again but your recommendation so [TS]

00:28:58   strong i will read it [TS]

00:29:00   hyperion i think is one of the best [TS]

00:29:01   science fiction novels ever written any [TS]

00:29:04   angers me so much everything else he's [TS]

00:29:06   written so i may have to go read that to [TS]

00:29:08   try to get the taste of fall arrives [TS]

00:29:10   Endymion out of my mouth haha but you [TS]

00:29:15   also wrote a historical thriller [TS]

00:29:18   oh yes drewd which I enjoyed greatly [TS]

00:29:21   isn't it features a Charles Dickens and [TS]

00:29:25   wilkie collins who is the author of the [TS]

00:29:27   first of many consider the first mystery [TS]

00:29:30   novel as an unreliable narrator and it's [TS]

00:29:33   quite good i also like his the creek [TS]

00:29:37   factory which is about the it's it's [TS]

00:29:40   loosely based on the spy ring that [TS]

00:29:41   Ernest Hemingway set up when he was [TS]

00:29:43   living in Cuba totally different from [TS]

00:29:46   everything else again so dances just [TS]

00:29:48   turns out like he's gotta dial he spins [TS]

00:29:51   the wheel and then the something stick [TS]

00:29:53   that's pretty amazing [TS]

00:29:54   yeah yeah yeah let's take a moment away [TS]

00:29:57   from reading to talk about more reading [TS]

00:29:59   and it is our sponsor this episode brain [TS]

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00:30:17   Lex thanks for being in the commercial [TS]

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00:30:21   this commercial couldn't show up for the [TS]

00:30:23   actual episode could [TS]

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00:30:25   today I know the book Bob you were [TS]

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00:30:29   this is a way to discover books that you [TS]

00:30:31   love and you get a deal on ebooks to [TS]

00:30:33   write what's what's great about book [TS]

00:30:35   club is we know I research them when [TS]

00:30:37   they came to me and said hey we want to [TS]

00:30:38   sponsor some podcasts and then before I [TS]

00:30:40   ever sold the many podcast ads like this [TS]

00:30:42   very ad i became a customer and used it [TS]

00:30:45   literally every day since i first [TS]

00:30:47   discovered it so the way it works is [TS]

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00:30:50   with alerts about like free and bargain [TS]

00:30:53   ebooks that that are that you might be [TS]

00:30:55   interested in right you tell them a what [TS]

00:30:58   kind of books you like and be what kind [TS]

00:31:00   of readers you have so for me it's like [TS]

00:31:01   I have Kendall and I have I books and so [TS]

00:31:04   each day seven days a week I get an [TS]

00:31:06   email from them with new cheap books new [TS]

00:31:08   discounts on books or free books in the [TS]

00:31:11   categories i selected for the devices [TS]

00:31:12   I've selected and I i buy them everyday [TS]

00:31:14   is the only daily email get that I [TS]

00:31:16   intentionally read every day and look [TS]

00:31:18   forward to and click and i bought i [TS]

00:31:20   don't know 30 books in the past three [TS]

00:31:22   weeks thanks to them [TS]

00:31:23   be wary they will actually find books [TS]

00:31:25   that you're interested in that are on [TS]

00:31:27   sale and you'll be buying more bucks if [TS]

00:31:30   you if you sign up for book club [TS]

00:31:31   I'll tell you one that I'm reading right [TS]

00:31:33   now I told you I didn't have a book [TS]

00:31:34   recommendation but now i do from slap [TS]

00:31:36   this is the perfect time to share that [TS]

00:31:38   perfect episode likes they sent me a [TS]

00:31:40   thing they said you you might like this [TS]

00:31:41   book the accidental bachelor and I like [TS]

00:31:43   humorist sort of first-person novels and [TS]

00:31:46   this is that it's you know this guy Finn [TS]

00:31:48   McAllister whose little down-on-his-luck [TS]

00:31:51   and is kind of reeling his best friends [TS]

00:31:53   are still his old friends from high [TS]

00:31:54   school even though he's in his thirties [TS]

00:31:56   now but it's a very funny book even [TS]

00:31:57   though it's also an emotional book and I [TS]

00:31:58   i paid i don't know two dollars for [TS]

00:32:00   something because book told me the day [TS]

00:32:02   was on sale and this isn't stuff that's [TS]

00:32:04   just coming from like random random [TS]

00:32:06   shady book download stores this is like [TS]

00:32:09   this book is on sale at amazon or this [TS]

00:32:11   book is on sale and I books and and [TS]

00:32:13   things like that right yeah exactly and [TS]

00:32:15   it's it's you know sometimes its [TS]

00:32:17   self-published authors but it's also one [TS]

00:32:19   hundred percent mainstream books with [TS]

00:32:21   actual publishers and authors who've [TS]

00:32:22   heard of in new york times bestsellers [TS]

00:32:24   and things it's just whatever they find [TS]

00:32:26   this on sale in the topics and in the [TS]

00:32:28   stores that you have indicated you want [TS]

00:32:30   that's what this engine is pretty great [TS]

00:32:31   all right let's you gotta break it to me [TS]

00:32:33   now what does bookbub cost [TS]

00:32:34   ok [TS]

00:32:35   how much would you pay ten dollars a [TS]

00:32:38   hundred-thousand-dollar personalized [TS]

00:32:40   recommendations service that everyday [TS]

00:32:41   tells me what books i'm gonna like are [TS]

00:32:45   available as ebooks for free or for [TS]

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00:32:48   i I don't know a million dollars well [TS]

00:32:50   guess what it's free it's free to sign [TS]

00:32:52   up free yet you pay for the books [TS]

00:32:54   obviously that's their business model [TS]

00:32:56   they make a tiny little bit of money on [TS]

00:32:57   the books by through their affiliate [TS]

00:32:59   links so probably pretty brilliant model [TS]

00:33:01   so you just put in your email address at [TS]

00:33:02   bookbub dot-com slashing comfortable by [TS]

00:33:05   the way would really be really nice and [TS]

00:33:07   that's it you sign up and they start [TS]

00:33:09   sending you to check the boxes and you [TS]

00:33:11   say i'm interested in science fiction or [TS]

00:33:12   I'm interested in humor i'm interested [TS]

00:33:14   in horror fantasy and I've got like you [TS]

00:33:17   said I've got a I books and kindle or or [TS]

00:33:20   or whatever be book readers you've got [TS]

00:33:22   you press the button and that's it right [TS]

00:33:24   yeah that's exactly you know according [TS]

00:33:25   to the book club they've got like two [TS]

00:33:27   million people i I've never even heard [TS]

00:33:28   of this before and it sounds it sounds [TS]

00:33:30   great but they've got two million [TS]

00:33:31   subscribers and have already sold 25 [TS]

00:33:35   million ebooks it's kind of amazing so [TS]

00:33:36   obviously with this works [TS]

00:33:38   I can't believe how many you know books [TS]

00:33:40   I bought from and I never expected my [TS]

00:33:42   book every day that it happens but it's [TS]

00:33:43   like well I mean I just sounds good for [TS]

00:33:45   a dollar it's worth the risk for two [TS]

00:33:46   dollars worth the risk for so basically [TS]

00:33:48   out of these 25 million ebook downloads [TS]

00:33:50   you're like 20 million yeah and i will [TS]

00:33:52   say i have read the three books that i [TS]

00:33:54   bought from them and i'm about to finish [TS]

00:33:55   up another one and I have enjoyed them [TS]

00:33:57   all so that's pretty good [TS]

00:33:59   that's pretty awesome i'm looking [TS]

00:34:00   forward to getting my book club email [TS]

00:34:02   tomorrow [TS]

00:34:03   what's your url again book club com [TS]

00:34:05   that's bo-o-o-o-k bu be like it [TS]

00:34:07   Wolverine we're talking to you need say [TS]

00:34:09   i'm reading a book club that's exactly [TS]

00:34:11   where you want to go / incomparable [TS]

00:34:14   bookbub calm / and comfortable to sign [TS]

00:34:16   up it's free and you will be a satisfied [TS]

00:34:19   customer like Lex here and get lots of [TS]

00:34:21   books on sale or for free that are that [TS]

00:34:24   you're interested in which is what it's [TS]

00:34:26   awesome idea great idea thanks book club [TS]

00:34:28   Thank You book club for sponsoring the [TS]

00:34:30   incomparable thank you Lex for making a [TS]

00:34:32   suggestion right in the middle of this [TS]

00:34:34   the ad and for dropping in through magic [TS]

00:34:36   of podcast time-warping to be to be on [TS]

00:34:39   the podcast always a pleasure i can't [TS]

00:34:41   believe you're doing this at waking hour [TS]

00:34:42   for me just for you [TS]

00:34:43   alright let's go back to the people who [TS]

00:34:45   are the night owls and thanks again to [TS]

00:34:47   book club and lex [TS]

00:34:48   alright that's one round through will do [TS]

00:34:50   it a couple more times so let's go back [TS]

00:34:51   up to the top of the list is also the [TS]

00:34:53   only person on this podcast tonight [TS]

00:34:55   whose name is not five letters long [TS]

00:34:57   Lisa I could add an extra vowels or help [TS]

00:35:03   Leo Sosa you make a le esa the only look [TS]

00:35:08   like entertainment tonight is that [TS]

00:35:13   always bugged me growing up or Zed as [TS]

00:35:15   they say in Canada does that mean dr. [TS]

00:35:18   Canada you know [TS]

00:35:19   okay go ahead Lisa my second pick axe [TS]

00:35:21   but in the spirit of unhinged lunacy is [TS]

00:35:25   Neil stiff is Israel Steffensen zodiac [TS]

00:35:27   yeah yeah yeah because it's possible it [TS]

00:35:30   predates it predates that the books that [TS]

00:35:32   put him on the map snow crash in the [TS]

00:35:34   diamond age and the way he describes it [TS]

00:35:37   as an eco-terrorist thriller and uh it [TS]

00:35:41   it feels very of its time because it was [TS]

00:35:44   written during the nineteen eighties the [TS]

00:35:45   internet isn't really a factor it's just [TS]

00:35:47   this very smart very misanthropic genius [TS]

00:35:49   organic chemist named Sam on taylor who [TS]

00:35:52   simply wants to clean up the Boston [TS]

00:35:55   Harbor and he works with a Greenpeace [TS]

00:35:57   like group and over the course of the [TS]

00:36:00   investigation he's trying to work where [TS]

00:36:02   he's trying to get polluters to quit [TS]

00:36:04   dumping heavy metals into the harbor [TS]

00:36:06   they run across like a death metal cult [TS]

00:36:08   um there's a long digression on the [TS]

00:36:11   merits of vietnamese food or as we call [TS]

00:36:14   it a neal stephenson novel that what now [TS]

00:36:17   integration no well I don't make sure [TS]

00:36:19   you really but it makes you really [TS]

00:36:20   appreciate the differences between [TS]

00:36:21   different types of you know South South [TS]

00:36:24   Asian cuisines sure it's just funny that [TS]

00:36:27   he always has the energy is fantastic [TS]

00:36:29   it's kind of lunatic and unhinged and [TS]

00:36:31   again it's a really fast read so if you [TS]

00:36:33   don't have the time and/or the biceps to [TS]

00:36:35   haul around some of his later work [TS]

00:36:38   this is the kind of thing you can pick [TS]

00:36:39   up and easily get through and like a day [TS]

00:36:41   or two [TS]

00:36:41   it's great i I've read into it is it is [TS]

00:36:44   a huge fun and and I love his [TS]

00:36:46   relationship with the elderly library [TS]

00:36:47   and we're in order to get any [TS]

00:36:48   information he has to listen to her [TS]

00:36:50   conversation first and and she's always [TS]

00:36:52   talking about like going shopping for [TS]

00:36:54   her granddaughter's christening dresses [TS]

00:36:55   or other things like that is just what i [TS]

00:36:58   like about staying on Taylor's a [TS]

00:36:59   character is his fundamental respect for [TS]

00:37:02   people who know what they're doing and [TS]

00:37:03   do it well because that's something that [TS]

00:37:06   I find a little off-putting about and I [TS]

00:37:08   don't think it's in his work [TS]

00:37:09   specifically but i find it off-putting [TS]

00:37:10   and hacker culture type stuff in general [TS]

00:37:12   is there tends to be the very left brain [TS]

00:37:14   right brain divided in a clear hierarchy [TS]

00:37:16   of people who are useful vs people who [TS]

00:37:18   are not and all through this book he has [TS]

00:37:20   a really clear it's clear saying aman [TS]

00:37:22   respect people who who know their stuff [TS]

00:37:25   and I I like a character who could who's [TS]

00:37:28   smart and is not threatened by other [TS]

00:37:29   people smarter home but see I think it's [TS]

00:37:31   a good thing the model so yeah [TS]

00:37:34   also it's super funny yes it's hilarious [TS]

00:37:37   it's laugh-out-loud funny just going to [TS]

00:37:39   you [TS]

00:37:39   yeah that the weather where I forget the [TS]

00:37:41   name of the organization's on the fourth [TS]

00:37:42   floor he's got the storyline about how [TS]

00:37:44   they have bumper stickers on the stair [TS]

00:37:45   riser so that by the time you get to the [TS]

00:37:46   office you're both out of breath and [TS]

00:37:47   thoroughly indoctrinated and it was just [TS]

00:37:50   this beautiful it's just like he's got [TS]

00:37:52   an entire chapter devoted to commuting [TS]

00:37:54   in boston on my bike that has to be read [TS]

00:37:57   to be believed and if you've ever been [TS]

00:37:59   to boston or try driving in that you're [TS]

00:38:00   like always the doctor later yeah yeah i [TS]

00:38:03   think if i have a theme for tonight's [TS]

00:38:04   books it's gateways to the author where [TS]

00:38:06   were these are the types of things are [TS]

00:38:08   you dip your toes in and you're like [TS]

00:38:09   okay I like this guy and then you can [TS]

00:38:11   and then you can get more into their [TS]

00:38:12   work and they may not be the best known [TS]

00:38:14   thing these people have done but i think [TS]

00:38:15   that the most accessible to the people [TS]

00:38:18   who haven't read them yet and i highly [TS]

00:38:19   recommend zodiac for anybody who I don't [TS]

00:38:23   like fantasy or aromatic sapphire and [TS]

00:38:25   like tech stuff because this isn't about [TS]

00:38:27   that this is simply about a guy trying [TS]

00:38:28   to do his job [TS]

00:38:29   how many of those people are listening [TS]

00:38:31   to this podcast although Kari I have [TS]

00:38:33   some for I have some friends who looks [TS]

00:38:35   okay [TS]

00:38:35   they should all listen because they know [TS]

00:38:37   what to do I don't know to learn [TS]

00:38:39   something put it on their beginning put [TS]

00:38:40   in their stocking that's what we're [TS]

00:38:41   saying put it in their styling just slip [TS]

00:38:43   in their stuff and be like what is this [TS]

00:38:45   book is it astrology related in some way [TS]

00:38:48   you could happen as I love that stuff i [TS]

00:38:51   have some blending but i'll save it for [TS]

00:38:53   my turn [TS]

00:38:53   okay well as you should look into any no [TS]

00:38:56   Glenn I never stretched anticipated no [TS]

00:38:59   grading policy sony has part of his [TS]

00:39:00   earlier work so it's before he was so [TS]

00:39:02   famous that they couldn't cut anything [TS]

00:39:04   out of his books yeah it's less than 800 [TS]

00:39:06   pages long yeah it has an ending [TS]

00:39:08   everything it's it's it's fast and funny [TS]

00:39:11   and smart and it has a clear moral point [TS]

00:39:14   of view and [TS]

00:39:15   and yes yeah and attending yes yes good [TS]

00:39:19   zodiac that good book [TS]

00:39:21   David you're up well couple years ago I [TS]

00:39:23   wrote he play about Vincent van Gogh and [TS]

00:39:25   ever since [TS]

00:39:27   ah yeah you see the foreshadowing pay [TS]

00:39:29   you recommending we read your play not [TS]

00:39:32   haha watching now available no no [TS]

00:39:35   soon-to-be kick-started know but yeah as [TS]

00:39:39   a result i pick up books and things [TS]

00:39:42   about Van Gogh now because I have all [TS]

00:39:44   this knowledge stuck in my head and it's [TS]

00:39:46   interesting and I go oh wow they got [TS]

00:39:48   that right they got the wrong like when [TS]

00:39:49   I watched in sending the doctor and [TS]

00:39:51   going oh wow you could have done this [TS]

00:39:53   really like true-to-life but you screwed [TS]

00:39:56   that up but that's okay because it's dr. [TS]

00:39:58   fun and this is a book and I love doctor [TS]

00:40:02   just saying this book by christopher [TS]

00:40:06   moore is the maybe the one that Lisa did [TS]

00:40:09   not mention his most recent novel called [TS]

00:40:11   sacrifice clear yes a comedy data to and [TS]

00:40:17   there's a theory in its in the most [TS]

00:40:21   recent gigantic van Gogh biography which [TS]

00:40:24   is actually very good [TS]

00:40:25   there's a theory that he did not commit [TS]

00:40:27   suicide that he was murdered and the [TS]

00:40:30   authors of the biography go into really [TS]

00:40:32   interesting detail you go well alright [TS]

00:40:35   that's not implausible and lo and behold [TS]

00:40:38   just after that came out came Sacrebleu [TS]

00:40:40   where the idea is that Vincent's friends [TS]

00:40:44   a baker turned painter and another [TS]

00:40:47   friend of his toulouse-lautrec basically [TS]

00:40:50   act as holmes and watson to solvang goes [TS]

00:40:53   murder because he talks about having [TS]

00:40:55   been pressed pursued around france by a [TS]

00:40:58   crooked little color man and he has [TS]

00:41:01   become deathly afraid of a a certain [TS]

00:41:03   shade of blue a sacred blue and it's [TS]

00:41:07   just nuts in that way that christopher [TS]

00:41:09   moore can be but again it's you know [TS]

00:41:12   it's like fool it's a much more mature [TS]

00:41:13   much more assured novel he's sort of [TS]

00:41:16   weaving in all of this [TS]

00:41:19   real-life detail and he does an [TS]

00:41:23   excellent job documenting like he has a [TS]

00:41:26   blog just for this book it's filled in [TS]

00:41:29   the book and the blog or both filled [TS]

00:41:30   with pictures and filled with here's [TS]

00:41:32   where this incident came from here's [TS]

00:41:34   where this is set [TS]

00:41:35   here's where this idea came from and [TS]

00:41:38   he's just woven it all together in this [TS]

00:41:40   really funny really good thriller but [TS]

00:41:44   really funny [TS]

00:41:45   sacre bleu alright well to from Chris [TS]

00:41:48   Christopher more to from the guy whose [TS]

00:41:50   is whose name I could never even recall [TS]

00:41:52   so wow big changes afoot [TS]

00:41:56   let's move on to Erica what do you have [TS]

00:41:58   I have [TS]

00:42:00   okay well I don't have a series exactly [TS]

00:42:03   it was really hard for me to just pick [TS]

00:42:06   three books because there are very few [TS]

00:42:07   standalone books that I even read much [TS]

00:42:09   alone let alone like a lot so what i did [TS]

00:42:13   was i I picked a series and then pick [TS]

00:42:16   the first book in the series and I [TS]

00:42:18   figure that's a good thing to start with [TS]

00:42:19   and then if if you don't like that book [TS]

00:42:21   then don't read the rest of the series [TS]

00:42:22   but if you do then you've got some other [TS]

00:42:23   awesome books in front of you and how [TS]

00:42:25   great is that so [TS]

00:42:28   Robin hobb is one of my favorite fantasy [TS]

00:42:30   authors of the last several decades and [TS]

00:42:33   she's actually written a series of [TS]

00:42:36   trilogies i guess but the book that I [TS]

00:42:39   want to talk about is the first book of [TS]

00:42:42   the second trilogy that takes place that [TS]

00:42:44   sort of in this same world the book i'm [TS]

00:42:47   talking about is ship of magic and it is [TS]

00:42:51   really really cool [TS]

00:42:52   it's the first book of the live ship [TS]

00:42:54   traders trilogy that's the second [TS]

00:42:56   trilogy as i mentioned and it follows [TS]

00:42:58   the divestment family of being town and [TS]

00:43:02   this vested family owns a live ship in a [TS]

00:43:05   live ship is a ship that's made of this [TS]

00:43:07   magical wizard would and once three [TS]

00:43:10   generations of family captains have died [TS]

00:43:12   onboard the ship the figurehead actually [TS]

00:43:14   comes to life and has a personality and [TS]

00:43:16   toxin stuff and it's just very magical [TS]

00:43:19   and cool and only live ships in this [TS]

00:43:21   world can travel up the rain wild river [TS]

00:43:24   to trade with the mysterious rain wild [TS]

00:43:26   families who trade fabulous and magical [TS]

00:43:29   goods that you can't find anywhere else [TS]

00:43:31   so [TS]

00:43:32   that's sort of setting the stage that's [TS]

00:43:34   that's where in the world in which this [TS]

00:43:36   takes place but there are really two [TS]

00:43:38   stories that are taking place throughout [TS]

00:43:39   the book kind of in parallel so one [TS]

00:43:42   story is following the best rate family [TS]

00:43:44   the old captain is dying at the [TS]

00:43:47   beginning of the book and his daughter [TS]

00:43:48   Althea is is fairly young but she thinks [TS]

00:43:51   she's going to inherit the ship because [TS]

00:43:52   she's been sailing on it since she was a [TS]

00:43:54   youngster and is very connected and [TS]

00:43:56   bonded with this live ship but of course [TS]

00:43:59   things don't turn out quite as she [TS]

00:44:00   planned things can go awry for her from [TS]

00:44:04   there and it's sort of follows her her [TS]

00:44:06   journey and also a little bit of the [TS]

00:44:08   what happens with her family as she [TS]

00:44:10   works to get her life ship back but at [TS]

00:44:13   the same time there's also another [TS]

00:44:14   parallel story that seems completely [TS]

00:44:16   unconnected there's a pirate captain [TS]

00:44:19   named candidate who is looting pillaging [TS]

00:44:22   left and right but he wants to capture a [TS]

00:44:24   live ship for himself and he's kind of a [TS]

00:44:28   terrible character but accidentally does [TS]

00:44:30   some good things sort of a know we hurt [TS]

00:44:34   if it's kind of an interesting thing [TS]

00:44:36   everybody the people that follow him [TS]

00:44:38   begin thinking that he's this wonderful [TS]

00:44:40   character but really he's just doing [TS]

00:44:42   everything selfishly for himself but [TS]

00:44:44   accidents make it look like he's this [TS]

00:44:46   wonderful fellow so i want to say too [TS]

00:44:49   much more about it than that [TS]

00:44:50   honestly I don't usually date books [TS]

00:44:52   about pirates I'm not a good pirate [TS]

00:44:55   thing and I don't think clearly and I [TS]

00:44:58   don't forget our really like like [TS]

00:45:00   politics which comes into things later [TS]

00:45:02   in the trilogy there are some but some [TS]

00:45:04   very interesting sort of political [TS]

00:45:05   machinations in this this town in some [TS]

00:45:08   of the country's pirate politics [TS]

00:45:10   yeah there are pirate politics in here [TS]

00:45:12   and those are two things I just don't [TS]

00:45:14   usually like think that the whole point [TS]

00:45:16   of being pirates would be that you [TS]

00:45:18   reacted but it is it is a very good book [TS]

00:45:22   I i like this particular trilogy of them [TS]

00:45:25   the best is that the first trilogy is [TS]

00:45:27   the Farseer trilogy and then there's [TS]

00:45:29   another one after this one which is I [TS]

00:45:31   think the tiny man trilogy and then she [TS]

00:45:33   actually just recently wrote a tetralogy [TS]

00:45:35   which i haven't yet right but i got it [TS]

00:45:37   for Christmas early so i'm going to be [TS]

00:45:39   getting to that but so far this the [TS]

00:45:41   series of books that take place in the [TS]

00:45:43   the big town area [TS]

00:45:45   out-of-this-world I think the warmest of [TS]

00:45:48   of the the trilogy's and i don't know i [TS]

00:45:51   think it's perhaps because the setting [TS]

00:45:53   is just a little bit more colorful and [TS]

00:45:55   the one thing I didn't touch on was that [TS]

00:45:57   in addition to these two things there's [TS]

00:45:59   sort of a loose framing device that sort [TS]

00:46:02   of pops in and out [TS]

00:46:03   that's told from the point of view of [TS]

00:46:06   these giant serpent creatures that are [TS]

00:46:08   just sort of like swimming under the [TS]

00:46:09   water and it doesn't make a whole lot of [TS]

00:46:11   sense until later in the trilogy so i [TS]

00:46:12   won't say much about that but it gets [TS]

00:46:15   really really cool they're sort of like [TS]

00:46:17   ancient secrets that are become coming [TS]

00:46:20   to light later on down the road and i [TS]

00:46:22   highly recommend giving it a try and [TS]

00:46:24   then but it ends on a little bit of a [TS]

00:46:27   cliffhanger so be ready for that but if [TS]

00:46:28   you haven't enjoyed the first book then [TS]

00:46:30   it doesn't make sense to keep going and [TS]

00:46:32   you're not really anything by jumping [TS]

00:46:34   out at that point right shift with magic [TS]

00:46:37   good 1i haven't heard of that one either [TS]

00:46:38   so it's on the list and it brings us to [TS]

00:46:41   Scott yeah I'm surprised and happy you [TS]

00:46:45   went after Erica last time it shouldn't [TS]

00:46:47   be that big a shock [TS]

00:46:48   well I thought there was a sneaking [TS]

00:46:50   round thing in my own very confused by [TS]

00:46:53   this draft format you can pick a snake [TS]

00:46:55   related book if you like but oh alright [TS]

00:46:58   well pick two serpents rise by Max [TS]

00:47:00   Gladstone actually on my list so hope [TS]

00:47:05   you're worried about you Scott [TS]

00:47:07   haha i'm ready for any animal reference [TS]

00:47:10   with my list of books figure capybara [TS]

00:47:13   so this is the second in a series kind [TS]

00:47:17   of loosely grouped together series so [TS]

00:47:20   you can read them in any order the [TS]

00:47:22   series is the craft series and basically [TS]

00:47:24   max Gladstone envisions a world where [TS]

00:47:29   there is there were gods that were [TS]

00:47:31   actual things right and they were [TS]

00:47:34   magical and followers and they had [TS]

00:47:36   powers and they basically took care of [TS]

00:47:38   the world and humans kind of slowly [TS]

00:47:41   figured out how to craft magic [TS]

00:47:44   themselves and overthrew the gods killed [TS]

00:47:48   a bunch of them trapped some of them and [TS]

00:47:51   kind of siphon off the power to do a [TS]

00:47:53   bunch of things and basically he [TS]

00:47:55   imagines if there is this world [TS]

00:47:58   then there must be bureaucrats that run [TS]

00:48:00   this world so the first book called [TS]

00:48:04   three parts dead is about a lawyer firm [TS]

00:48:07   that specializes basically in DD [TS]

00:48:10   arbitrage and so this this deity that [TS]

00:48:13   this town is using to power everything [TS]

00:48:15   is slowly dying and many towns kind of [TS]

00:48:19   have claims over different parts of the [TS]

00:48:20   Gods so they hire this lawyer firm to [TS]

00:48:23   kind of settle it down the second book [TS]

00:48:25   is set in a different city this up i'm [TS]

00:48:28   not making itself but that's the [TS]

00:48:31   craziest thing [TS]

00:48:32   oh that's right go ahead the second book [TS]

00:48:35   to surface rise is set in a different [TS]

00:48:36   city in the same world where there is [TS]

00:48:39   this character called the Red King who [TS]

00:48:41   has a company called Red King [TS]

00:48:43   consolidated that owns the rights to [TS]

00:48:46   supply water to the city and the cities [TS]

00:48:49   in the desert and he read the Red King [TS]

00:48:52   is a powerful human magician who killed [TS]

00:48:57   the god of this city and kind of got [TS]

00:49:00   immortality but in the process [TS]

00:49:02   transforms himself into a walking [TS]

00:49:04   skeleton and he also loves to drink [TS]

00:49:06   coffee and the main character is kind of [TS]

00:49:10   his his troubleshooter called Caleb who [TS]

00:49:14   has to figure out what's happening with [TS]

00:49:17   this reservoir where an explosion has [TS]

00:49:20   happened and he has to figure out and [TS]

00:49:23   then the water takes some demonic forms [TS]

00:49:27   and starts attacking people which [TS]

00:49:29   negatively impacts the company and so [TS]

00:49:31   the Red King is upset because he feels [TS]

00:49:33   like he's going to lose this city's [TS]

00:49:35   water contract because the water is [TS]

00:49:36   attacking people [TS]

00:49:38   so he needs to get it figured out and [TS]

00:49:41   that is basically the story of the book [TS]

00:49:43   and it is just delightful [TS]

00:49:44   wow that's another book I have never [TS]

00:49:46   heard of that's pretty wild [TS]

00:49:48   but she's a few things that come with [TS]

00:49:49   see the 3000 not a ton but if you liked [TS]

00:49:52   this book you might also like it's [TS]

00:49:54   alright good job Scott thanks top tackle [TS]

00:49:57   him [TS]

00:49:58   oh also taken by surprise [TS]

00:50:02   what's this is a not that complicated to [TS]

00:50:05   format go ahead [TS]

00:50:08   my friend so I'm recommending a book [TS]

00:50:10   this is nonfiction and it is written by [TS]

00:50:12   a friend of mine my editor at The [TS]

00:50:14   Economist Tom Standage order book that I [TS]

00:50:16   am really enjoying and I'm not just [TS]

00:50:18   saying that he Tom as in so either i was [TS]

00:50:20   fortunate enough to meet mr. Stevenson [TS]

00:50:23   and beat his house because there is a [TS]

00:50:24   little book reception for comedy pass [TS]

00:50:25   through town on a book tour for this the [TS]

00:50:28   book is called writing on the wall and [TS]

00:50:30   Tom writes these books that are about [TS]

00:50:32   why nothing is new again they should all [TS]

00:50:35   be called like they're there is nothing [TS]

00:50:36   new Under the Sun or something because [TS]

00:50:38   there are there explain the context of [TS]

00:50:41   what we think is new now and we think [TS]

00:50:43   we're sort of sorting through in society [TS]

00:50:45   but turns out has remarkably similar [TS]

00:50:48   underpinnings and echoes back through [TS]

00:50:50   history even when it seems like the [TS]

00:50:52   technology could exists so writing on [TS]

00:50:54   the wall is it's the subtitle is a [TS]

00:50:56   social networking the first two thousand [TS]

00:50:58   years and it is it's really charming [TS]

00:51:02   hilarious [TS]

00:51:03   even if you have a good grasp of history [TS]

00:51:05   and I might Roman history isn't so good [TS]

00:51:06   but there's basically like before [TS]

00:51:09   printing presses Romans even at distant [TS]

00:51:12   outposts and all these you know slaves [TS]

00:51:14   and scribes who would write copies of [TS]

00:51:17   things all the time and they were [TS]

00:51:18   circulating letters the Romans had an [TS]

00:51:20   incredible distribution system before [TS]

00:51:22   the male's so people were actually [TS]

00:51:24   sending blog and she's packing force [TS]

00:51:27   across the Appian Way and it was it's it [TS]

00:51:30   is hilarious and so you read this you're [TS]

00:51:32   like okay this is actually he's not [TS]

00:51:34   really stretching the case like people [TS]

00:51:36   would write stuff and then they would [TS]

00:51:37   annotate it and they returned it and [TS]

00:51:39   they market with comments and it would [TS]

00:51:40   come back and they would be [TS]

00:51:41   redistributed and people get angry and [TS]

00:51:43   very political fights and flame wars all [TS]

00:51:45   the people writing out by you know [TS]

00:51:47   longhand in some of the scribes were [TS]

00:51:49   particularly well-liked because they had [TS]

00:51:51   developed their own shorthand system so [TS]

00:51:52   they could take notes more quickly and [TS]

00:51:54   some were very fast and people were [TS]

00:51:55   particularly wealthy could have a ton of [TS]

00:51:57   ppl transcribing constantly to produce [TS]

00:52:00   these things and so it starts there and [TS]

00:52:02   it goes through lecture of every era in [TS]

00:52:04   which we sort of think well this is [TS]

00:52:05   before this or oh well newspapers did [TS]

00:52:07   this and he talks about the [TS]

00:52:09   consolidation of social media into mass [TS]

00:52:12   media and then what he thinks is this [TS]

00:52:14   glorious you know not perfect but this [TS]

00:52:17   reopening of [TS]

00:52:18   consolidation from all this interaction [TS]

00:52:20   among people even newspapers for a long [TS]

00:52:22   time really newspapers were mostly [TS]

00:52:24   publishing dispatches and letters from [TS]

00:52:25   other people they do their own reporting [TS]

00:52:27   so they were actually quite social in [TS]

00:52:29   their own way even though there are mass [TS]

00:52:30   method of distribution so lovely book [TS]

00:52:33   and all Thomas books are actually quite [TS]

00:52:35   neat victorian internet the mechanic [TS]

00:52:37   look about the mechanical turk the [TS]

00:52:39   chess-playing machine all kinds these [TS]

00:52:41   guys just wonderful books about that [TS]

00:52:44   peek beneath the surface of what we [TS]

00:52:46   think was going on in society or [TS]

00:52:47   technology and and this is his latest so [TS]

00:52:50   it's a little bit of I'm sorry little [TS]

00:52:52   bit of nepotism but I'm sure I'm sure it [TS]

00:52:54   can be forgiven because it's a good book [TS]

00:52:55   i'm going to fully support your nepotism [TS]

00:52:58   foreshadowing oh why [TS]

00:53:01   alright so so writing on the wall Tom [TS]

00:53:04   Standage alright so i found a theme for [TS]

00:53:06   mine that I i actually was looking at my [TS]

00:53:08   list and realizing that I do have a [TS]

00:53:09   theme here my famous things that are not [TS]

00:53:11   science fiction novels that should [TS]

00:53:13   appeal in some way to people who read [TS]

00:53:15   science fiction novel so we had faces of [TS]

00:53:18   gravity which is by a writer of genre [TS]

00:53:20   novels of many kinds and now i'm gonna [TS]

00:53:22   move on to a book by nick hornby that [TS]

00:53:26   I've mentioned he's one of my two [TS]

00:53:28   favorite contemporary novelists really [TS]

00:53:30   and I could recommend many of his books [TS]

00:53:33   some of which have slight [TS]

00:53:35   science-fictional overtones but i'm [TS]

00:53:37   going to recommend a memoir that he [TS]

00:53:39   wrote that has been turned into not one [TS]

00:53:41   but two kind of lackluster to poor [TS]

00:53:45   motion pictures but the memoir is great [TS]

00:53:49   it's fever pitch it became a romantic [TS]

00:53:51   comedy with jimmy fallon and drew [TS]

00:53:53   barrymore it also became another [TS]

00:53:55   romantic comedy with colin firth [TS]

00:53:57   slightly better the conference one is [TS]

00:54:00   better [TS]

00:54:00   it's got Colin first so yeah exactly [TS]

00:54:03   yeah calm confidence goes a long way [TS]

00:54:05   versus chimney Falon sure he also has [TS]

00:54:09   dialogue in it to riches so so fever [TS]

00:54:12   pitch [TS]

00:54:13   Nick Hornby wonderful i've said this [TS]

00:54:14   before wonderful writer just as a [TS]

00:54:16   stylist wonderful his essays are great [TS]

00:54:18   his novels are great if you want to read [TS]

00:54:20   a novel of his go read high-fidelity [TS]

00:54:22   even if you've seen the movie it's a [TS]

00:54:23   wonderful wonderful novel but fever [TS]

00:54:26   pitch [TS]

00:54:27   the reason i'm picking it is it is the [TS]

00:54:31   best thing I've [TS]

00:54:31   ever read about being a fan and it's [TS]

00:54:34   very specifically about being a sports [TS]

00:54:36   fan but even if you're not a sports fan [TS]

00:54:38   even if you're just in really i mean [TS]

00:54:40   really really enthusiastic about things [TS]

00:54:43   about something it this is his memoir [TS]

00:54:48   about being a completely crazy fan of [TS]

00:54:51   Arsenal the London the North London [TS]

00:54:53   football club soccer we would call it [TS]

00:54:55   here i don't know if they call it soccer [TS]

00:54:57   in Canada but they would say said if it [TS]

00:55:00   happened to see a locker he's a he's a [TS]

00:55:03   insane fan-like insect-like moves to [TS]

00:55:06   where the stadium is and his apartment [TS]

00:55:09   is near there and and he's he's [TS]

00:55:13   superstitious so he does things like [TS]

00:55:16   gets up to get something and something [TS]

00:55:18   good happens and he stays in that spot [TS]

00:55:20   for the next like two hours so it's [TS]

00:55:23   funny it is definitely a knowing [TS]

00:55:25   portrayal of how he's allowing his [TS]

00:55:27   obsession to kind of rule his life if [TS]

00:55:30   you're if you're a fan of any sports [TS]

00:55:32   teams of any sort you will really get it [TS]

00:55:34   but I think if you're a fan of things [TS]

00:55:37   you will appreciate this story of why [TS]

00:55:41   people get enthusiastic about things and [TS]

00:55:43   why they hold them so close to their [TS]

00:55:45   heart and what it means to be a fan and [TS]

00:55:48   the good and the bad of it what what [TS]

00:55:50   what makes you so excited to be a fan [TS]

00:55:52   and also the kind of crazy things you do [TS]

00:55:56   when the the things that might not be [TS]

00:55:57   logical but you do them anyway because [TS]

00:55:59   of the love that you've got for whatever [TS]

00:56:01   that thing is that you love and you know [TS]

00:56:04   recently there's been a whole genre of a [TS]

00:56:07   series of documentaries about people who [TS]

00:56:09   are totally obsessed with some really [TS]

00:56:11   small thing and i always find those [TS]

00:56:13   fascinating because you know we all what [TS]

00:56:15   we're obsessed with can really differ [TS]

00:56:17   and you might be the guy who's obsessed [TS]

00:56:18   with playing Donkey Kong and that's a [TS]

00:56:20   great movie but uh you might just be a [TS]

00:56:23   fan of of soccer or of this one [TS]

00:56:27   particular team or some other sports [TS]

00:56:29   team or some other TV show or movie or [TS]

00:56:31   whatever so really funny really [TS]

00:56:35   heartfelt and I think says something [TS]

00:56:37   about what it's like to be a man so [TS]

00:56:38   fever pitch by nick hornby and that's my [TS]

00:56:41   that's my choice and with the end of [TS]

00:56:44   that round I'm gonna take another break [TS]

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00:57:22   podcast on my iPad instead of on my mac [TS]

00:57:25   like I normally do using this app called [TS]

00:57:27   oriya very cool learned a lot did a [TS]

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00:58:17   the course and I skipped over that [TS]

00:58:18   because i really want to move to figure [TS]

00:58:20   out how the the compressor and the [TS]

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01:00:04   comfortable back to Lisa [TS]

01:00:06   okay well in keeping with the theme of [TS]

01:00:09   entry-level reading for authors you may [TS]

01:00:11   or may not have actually considered i'm [TS]

01:00:12   going to go back to the nineteen [TS]

01:00:14   eighties and early nineties and i'm [TS]

01:00:17   going to recommend the book to ghana by [TS]

01:00:19   guy Gavriel Kay who [TS]

01:00:22   oh yeah America would like it but I like [TS]

01:00:25   it I like in the confirmation and I have [TS]

01:00:30   kind of a of a tease one of those [TS]

01:00:32   officers were all read anything he's [TS]

01:00:33   written but I've got more critical of [TS]

01:00:35   his his later work i know well if I feel [TS]

01:00:39   like his language has gotten really [TS]

01:00:40   stylized and precious in the last 10 [TS]

01:00:42   years or so like I've read both of the [TS]

01:00:44   child I've read both of the books that [TS]

01:00:46   he wrote after doing all that research [TS]

01:00:48   on like the hand I Han Dynasty like [TS]

01:00:51   river of stars and under heaven and it's [TS]

01:00:54   just there which I'm not recommending [TS]

01:00:56   but like the language there's kind of [TS]

01:00:58   almost a parody of his early stuff but [TS]

01:01:00   to Ghana is I think the fourth book he [TS]

01:01:03   wrote after i'm a trilogy which I would [TS]

01:01:06   also recommend but the reason I'm [TS]

01:01:07   telling you all to read to Ghana is not [TS]

01:01:09   only does this give you an idea of this [TS]

01:01:10   guy's language which again is is very I [TS]

01:01:14   hesitate to use the word precious but [TS]

01:01:15   it's very specific and very sentimental [TS]

01:01:17   in a way but it's it's the book is about [TS]

01:01:22   a group of revolutionaries who are [TS]

01:01:23   seeking to overthrow wizard who has any [TS]

01:01:26   effect managed to erase the very name of [TS]

01:01:29   their country from existence [TS]

01:01:30   so it's about the limits of zella tree [TS]

01:01:32   and when your moral crusade is or isn't [TS]

01:01:35   terribly moral there are of course some [TS]

01:01:37   soap opera type complications where one [TS]

01:01:40   guy is to send by his mother another one [TS]

01:01:41   had an affair with his sister was now [TS]

01:01:43   sleeping with the wizard a but there are [TS]

01:01:47   there are some some it's funny [TS]

01:01:49   which again seems to have Lee chips with [TS]

01:01:52   queso later work it's funny it's smart [TS]

01:01:54   it's incredibly well research because [TS]

01:01:55   there's a lot of parallels to Italian [TS]

01:01:57   history during the Renaissance the magic [TS]

01:02:00   is an element but it's not proof and [TS]

01:02:02   then a wizard waves his hands and things [TS]

01:02:03   happen it's actually uses a tactical [TS]

01:02:06   deployment and it's a book about [TS]

01:02:09   national identity and nation-building [TS]

01:02:11   and that [TS]

01:02:12   point your political ideologies become [TS]

01:02:14   too corrosive for you to actually hold [TS]

01:02:16   on to them so if you like fantasy [TS]

01:02:19   especially fantasy about worlds that [TS]

01:02:21   seem to be rooted in our own world [TS]

01:02:24   history i would highly recommend that [TS]

01:02:27   and then once you decide whether or not [TS]

01:02:28   you like to ghana you can run on not [TS]

01:02:30   walk and read the summer tree trilogy [TS]

01:02:33   double woo for that [TS]

01:02:36   ya know i love the feeling of our [TS]

01:02:37   tapestry like that's one of my favorite [TS]

01:02:39   some villages of all time but I didn't [TS]

01:02:42   want to recommend a trilogy because you [TS]

01:02:43   know I'm the most problem and all that [TS]

01:02:45   and I also thought well it's kind of [TS]

01:02:47   it's the guy I'd rather just had say [TS]

01:02:49   alright read this see if you like the [TS]

01:02:51   guy and then if you do you can jump into [TS]

01:02:52   the trilogy which has like crazy our [TS]

01:02:54   theory and parallels and and you know [TS]

01:02:57   dwarves who made crystal art and and [TS]

01:03:00   wolves that talk and other stuff like [TS]

01:03:02   that but but you know start with this [TS]

01:03:03   first and for the love of God stay away [TS]

01:03:06   from the later stuff too low calibrator [TS]

01:03:12   or your expectations accordingly [TS]

01:03:14   yeah I kind of this complaint about [TS]

01:03:15   william gibson to who is another author [TS]

01:03:17   i really really love and I mean I there [TS]

01:03:20   are there i can probably recite parts of [TS]

01:03:22   of the neuromancer trilogy and that they [TS]

01:03:25   can't be healthy but I sort of it but I [TS]

01:03:27   sort of feel like some of his his later [TS]

01:03:29   work the language has almost become a [TS]

01:03:30   parody of the style and perspective that [TS]

01:03:33   he has a younger writer and part of it [TS]

01:03:35   is you know you simply get into the [TS]

01:03:36   patterns of it works for you and I still [TS]

01:03:38   think he's a lot of really interesting [TS]

01:03:38   things to see a lot of great stories i [TS]

01:03:40   just think that that there's a lot of of [TS]

01:03:42   language shortcuts or or overheated pros [TS]

01:03:46   that that that that could use a good [TS]

01:03:47   editing yet that happens with a lot of [TS]

01:03:49   successful writers later yeah oh yeah [TS]

01:03:51   now they did they get successfully like [TS]

01:03:53   oh I know what works and you're like [TS]

01:03:54   well if you go i could only read a [TS]

01:03:56   description about a fine leather shirt [TS]

01:03:58   so many times [TS]

01:03:59   alright David it's your turn okay I'm [TS]

01:04:01   just gonna start with the first [TS]

01:04:02   paragraph of this book because it says [TS]

01:04:04   everything about reading you were about [TS]

01:04:08   to begin reading Italo Calvino's new [TS]

01:04:10   novel if on a winter's night a traveler [TS]

01:04:12   relax concentrate but the world around [TS]

01:04:15   you fade best close the door the TV is [TS]

01:04:18   always on in the next room [TS]

01:04:20   tell the others know I don't want to [TS]

01:04:22   watch TV raise your voice they won't [TS]

01:04:24   hear you [TS]

01:04:25   yell I'm beginning to read Italo [TS]

01:04:28   Calvino's new novel or if you prefer [TS]

01:04:30   don't say anything and just hope they'll [TS]

01:04:32   leave you alone [TS]

01:04:33   it's like this book kind of again blew [TS]

01:04:38   my mind and changed the way I thought [TS]

01:04:40   about what you could do with fiction and [TS]

01:04:43   would you know because what it is [TS]

01:04:46   every other chapter is written in the [TS]

01:04:49   second person present tense so it's you [TS]

01:04:53   are doing this and eventually you meet a [TS]

01:04:56   woman and she is also a reader but the [TS]

01:04:59   alternating chapters are chapters of the [TS]

01:05:01   books that the two of you are reading up [TS]

01:05:04   and each one is a different genre each [TS]

01:05:07   one breaks off at a really climactic [TS]

01:05:10   exciting moment and then the characters [TS]

01:05:13   the the two of you are drawn into a [TS]

01:05:17   mysterious plot involving books and [TS]

01:05:20   mystery and intrigue and the elements of [TS]

01:05:22   the different chapters start working [TS]

01:05:24   their way into the reality of the book [TS]

01:05:27   and eventually you fall in love you get [TS]

01:05:30   married at the very end she says turn [TS]

01:05:32   off your light aren't you tired of [TS]

01:05:34   reading and you say just a moment I've [TS]

01:05:36   almost finished if on a winter's night [TS]

01:05:37   to travel by italo calvino it's just you [TS]

01:05:41   know after that you don't need bright [TS]

01:05:45   lights big city you don't need any of [TS]

01:05:46   these other books written in second [TS]

01:05:48   person presidents like he did it go away [TS]

01:05:51   do something else but it is it is just [TS]

01:05:55   you know metafiction on a grand level no [TS]

01:05:59   one has done it better and and that the [TS]

01:06:02   different genre chapters are beautiful [TS]

01:06:04   pass teaches of the different styles as [TS]

01:06:07   Scott's just so much fun [TS]

01:06:09   alright i I've never even heard of that [TS]

01:06:10   either a little caffeine is a terrific [TS]

01:06:12   writer is well translated I mean the [TS]

01:06:15   transitions are like the readable they [TS]

01:06:17   don't feel like translation cosmic on [TS]

01:06:19   race is hilarious and crazy like it's [TS]

01:06:23   invisible cities and cities also raised [TS]

01:06:25   a terrific like straight fictional book [TS]

01:06:27   about a communist you know watching the [TS]

01:06:30   vote the polls to prevent fraud it was [TS]

01:06:33   just very interesting meditation but it [TS]

01:06:35   was [TS]

01:06:35   you know post-war possible for to Italy [TS]

01:06:38   read some of short stories it's like [TS]

01:06:40   kind of everything he writes whatever [TS]

01:06:42   genre type it is fascinating [TS]

01:06:44   oh yeah and nothing is I mean he doesn't [TS]

01:06:46   repeat himself every book is its own [TS]

01:06:48   thing and even his books about writing [TS]

01:06:50   like the posthumous six memos for the [TS]

01:06:53   next millennium just beautiful if if you [TS]

01:06:56   want to be a a writer and especially a [TS]

01:06:59   fiction writer go find that book that [TS]

01:07:01   and the art of literature both just you [TS]

01:07:04   know again you don't need anything else [TS]

01:07:06   after those so if you'd like to stop [TS]

01:07:08   reading books and I'm gonna say alright [TS]

01:07:13   that's it I'm done doing I'm doing them [TS]

01:07:15   for Laughs doesn't mean the rest of our [TS]

01:07:17   yes yes my brain is people know I mean [TS]

01:07:22   to be honest that's what happened when i [TS]

01:07:23   read watchmen the first time was like [TS]

01:07:24   okay knocking requirements for a while [TS]

01:07:26   now I've kind of done that [TS]

01:07:29   yep that was good and not in a bad way [TS]

01:07:30   but like no you did it [TS]

01:07:33   these are the guys mm don't know we [TS]

01:07:35   already mentioned Hyperion but that was [TS]

01:07:36   my reaction I here to read this and I'm [TS]

01:07:38   like I don't ever need to read science [TS]

01:07:39   fiction again and then i read the city [TS]

01:07:44   kids read more books than you've ridden [TS]

01:07:46   shotgun with your gut UND assembly [TS]

01:07:49   doesn't get paid if you stop reading his [TS]

01:07:50   books after that one [TS]

01:07:52   I should have plunged the daggers in my [TS]

01:07:53   eyes the world is full of those writers [TS]

01:07:55   are likely make this book perfect but [TS]

01:07:57   then they wouldn't buy my other books so [TS]

01:07:59   leave them wanting more [TS]

01:08:01   Erica what's your third selection [TS]

01:08:04   well actually before I get to my third [TS]

01:08:06   selection i just realized that there was [TS]

01:08:08   something really important that i forgot [TS]

01:08:09   to say about my second selection but the [TS]

01:08:11   reason I forgot ties into my third [TS]

01:08:13   selection [TS]

01:08:15   well yes if you can buy time together [TS]

01:08:17   you've saved me lots of editing time so [TS]

01:08:19   great you're welcome i was thinking [TS]

01:08:21   about Jenna so that the one thing that i [TS]

01:08:24   forgot was that the these books by robin [TS]

01:08:28   hobb contain one of actually think tied [TS]

01:08:30   for my favorite fictional character ever [TS]

01:08:32   of all time and I can't say what this [TS]

01:08:36   character's name is because we don't [TS]

01:08:37   ever really find out in the first [TS]

01:08:39   trilogy i mentioned this character is [TS]

01:08:40   known as just the fool and it's kind of [TS]

01:08:43   a a teenage a youth us you are led to [TS]

01:08:48   believe that [TS]

01:08:49   that this character is male but then in [TS]

01:08:51   the second in the second series you have [TS]

01:08:53   this kind of mysterious woman named [TS]

01:08:55   amber who they never explicitly say but [TS]

01:08:58   eventually pretty quickly you kind of [TS]

01:08:59   come to figure out oh this is the full [TS]

01:09:01   of character just dressed up as a woman [TS]

01:09:04   and looking and acting somewhat [TS]

01:09:05   differently and then the third trilogy [TS]

01:09:07   shows back up in the original country as [TS]

01:09:10   the fool again and I just in addition to [TS]

01:09:13   being a strangely genderless character I [TS]

01:09:16   just think it very wise and centered and [TS]

01:09:20   grounded character which I just love and [TS]

01:09:23   I i adore the fact that the gender in [TS]

01:09:26   this situation is they both is and is [TS]

01:09:29   not important [TS]

01:09:30   sort of kind of is important locally to [TS]

01:09:32   the characters that are surrounding him [TS]

01:09:34   her at any given time but overall this [TS]

01:09:38   character is just wonderful and lovable [TS]

01:09:40   and important and it really doesn't make [TS]

01:09:42   any difference whatsoever what is [TS]

01:09:44   underneath the trousers and i just think [TS]

01:09:46   that's kind of a great thing so I just [TS]

01:09:48   had to throw that in there because i [TS]

01:09:49   forgot and out the reason that i forgot [TS]

01:09:51   is because instead of writing up my [TS]

01:09:53   notes like I meant to before this I was [TS]

01:09:55   watching an adventure in space and time [TS]

01:09:57   which is a duck a docudrama about the [TS]

01:10:01   creation of Doctor Who back in the [TS]

01:10:02   sixties and it was wonderful i won't [TS]

01:10:04   spoil anything but made a show guys it [TS]

01:10:08   was really cool my third choice i've [TS]

01:10:09   actually got taking a bit of a left turn [TS]

01:10:11   here and gone with something non fiction [TS]

01:10:13   which for me is even weirder than a [TS]

01:10:15   pirate book because I almost never read [TS]

01:10:17   nonfiction it's just not my thing but I [TS]

01:10:20   it is the 50th anniversary year of [TS]

01:10:23   Doctor Who so I've kind of been gloating [TS]

01:10:25   myself on Doctor Who stuff both fiction [TS]

01:10:27   and nonfiction so my third pic is a book [TS]

01:10:30   called chicks unravel time women journey [TS]

01:10:33   through every season of doctor who and [TS]

01:10:35   it is an edited full disclosure edited [TS]

01:10:38   by deborah Standish and LM miles who are [TS]

01:10:40   two of my co-hosts on the very podcast [TS]

01:10:42   so I'm a little bit biased here but i [TS]

01:10:45   think that even if I wasn't it would [TS]

01:10:48   still be i think i would still love this [TS]

01:10:50   book it was actually nominated for the [TS]

01:10:52   best related work [TS]

01:10:53   hugo award this year so i'm not alone in [TS]

01:10:56   thinking that it's freaking awesome [TS]

01:10:57   so it's a collection of essays about all [TS]

01:11:00   of the seasons of Doctor Who [TS]

01:11:02   not including the most recent series [TS]

01:11:04   seven because it wasn't out yet [TS]

01:11:06   can I don't think maybe six isn't in [TS]

01:11:08   there either but anyway it's a [TS]

01:11:09   collection of all these essays all of [TS]

01:11:11   them written by women [TS]

01:11:12   some of them are examinations of sort of [TS]

01:11:14   the social commentary in the show [TS]

01:11:16   possibly women's issues [TS]

01:11:18   gender race some of the essays are a [TS]

01:11:21   little more light and fun [TS]

01:11:23   one of them is actually called david [TS]

01:11:24   tennant's bomb which is awesome how the [TS]

01:11:27   NSA or the or the bottom [TS]

01:11:29   yeah i'm just going to say yes [TS]

01:11:33   all right but if that particular one is [TS]

01:11:35   very nice it's one of the lighter more [TS]

01:11:37   fun ones but it actually still sort of [TS]

01:11:39   gets to to the point of that's a series [TS]

01:11:42   to the new series Dave attendance for [TS]

01:11:44   series and talking about how this sort [TS]

01:11:46   of sexy doctor brought in a whole bunch [TS]

01:11:48   of new fans who were kind of coming to [TS]

01:11:51   the show because he was good-looking but [TS]

01:11:54   then discovering all of the other things [TS]

01:11:56   that are wonderful about the doctor and [TS]

01:11:58   bring them in and I just thought that [TS]

01:12:00   was pretty great [TS]

01:12:01   so there are all kinds of essays some of [TS]

01:12:04   them are very sort of like dense and [TS]

01:12:06   more sciency some of them are just kind [TS]

01:12:09   of easy reading and fun but they're all [TS]

01:12:11   really good and one of the things i [TS]

01:12:12   especially liked about this book is the [TS]

01:12:14   order [TS]

01:12:15   it's not in chronological order which at [TS]

01:12:17   first my nerd brain was like oh my god [TS]

01:12:19   what were you thinking but they really [TS]

01:12:21   did something smart with it they took it [TS]

01:12:23   and kind of form it together so that [TS]

01:12:27   sort of tells a story so now if you read [TS]

01:12:29   the book from the beginning to the end [TS]

01:12:31   it really flows and I mean of course you [TS]

01:12:33   don't have to you can go through and [TS]

01:12:34   like pick out all right season 1 season [TS]

01:12:36   2 etc but it really works the way that [TS]

01:12:39   they they pieced it together and I think [TS]

01:12:40   that it's wonderful [TS]

01:12:42   so I think this was this one would be [TS]

01:12:43   it's fun to read and it also makes a [TS]

01:12:45   really good stocking stuffer for for [TS]

01:12:47   doctor who fan in your family i may be [TS]

01:12:51   using it myself in that way [TS]

01:12:53   uh Scott mcnulty it's your turn [TS]

01:12:56   so the theme of my books which perhaps [TS]

01:12:59   would be only noticeable to me since the [TS]

01:13:03   the theme is booked Scott has read this [TS]

01:13:05   year I continues with my next book [TS]

01:13:09   because i have in fact read this this [TS]

01:13:12   year it is by Peter F have [TS]

01:13:15   person who also writes these kind of [TS]

01:13:18   sweeping space opera books [TS]

01:13:20   this one is not a sweeping space [TS]

01:13:24   operates his most recent book the great [TS]

01:13:26   north road which some people hate I [TS]

01:13:29   liked it [TS]

01:13:30   it's a almost 900 pages long because [TS]

01:13:34   that's what Peter F Hamilton does and [TS]

01:13:37   it's about it's basically a murder [TS]

01:13:39   mystery and I may have spoken about this [TS]

01:13:42   on a previous episode of the [TS]

01:13:44   uncomfortable and it includes many of [TS]

01:13:47   other things that Peter F Hamilton likes [TS]

01:13:49   to write about [TS]

01:13:50   he enjoys having portals that connect [TS]

01:13:54   different worlds that you are go through [TS]

01:13:57   with in vehicles so one of the series [TS]

01:13:59   features trains that go to different [TS]

01:14:01   worlds through these portals this one [TS]

01:14:03   just features the Great North Road which [TS]

01:14:05   is a row that you can drive your car up [TS]

01:14:08   through and then you go through a portal [TS]

01:14:10   and you're on a different planet and so [TS]

01:14:12   in this book there's the North family [TS]

01:14:15   that is a family that has cloned it's [TS]

01:14:17   the head of the family one of the clones [TS]

01:14:22   was murdered horribly on a planet that's [TS]

01:14:24   creates a biofuel that the earth depends [TS]

01:14:27   on 20 years ago and was never solved but [TS]

01:14:31   it was blamed on this particular woman [TS]

01:14:33   character but she escaped she actually [TS]

01:14:37   didn't escape she was a put in prison [TS]

01:14:39   but she claims she didn't do it and an [TS]

01:14:41   alien killed the sky believer because [TS]

01:14:44   aliens didn't no one has ever [TS]

01:14:45   encountered an alien in this universe so [TS]

01:14:48   they thought she was crazy and also for [TS]

01:14:50   some reason she never ages [TS]

01:14:51   so that kind of confuses people and then [TS]

01:14:54   20 years later she's safely ensconced in [TS]

01:14:57   prison and on earth someone is another [TS]

01:15:00   one of these clones is horribly murdered [TS]

01:15:02   in similar in the exact same way and so [TS]

01:15:06   detective is called in to kind of figure [TS]

01:15:08   out like a local English detective who [TS]

01:15:10   is just wanting to you know make ends [TS]

01:15:12   meat is pulled into this kind of web of [TS]

01:15:14   intrigue that involves the the [TS]

01:15:18   most powerful family in this universe [TS]

01:15:20   and this weird person that he doesn't [TS]

01:15:23   really trust and he has to go to the [TS]

01:15:25   different planet and figure out what's [TS]

01:15:26   going on [TS]

01:15:27   it's pretty good it is i will say that [TS]

01:15:30   the first if you don't like a kind of [TS]

01:15:33   detective novels the first 200 pages of [TS]

01:15:36   this book probably will not be for you [TS]

01:15:38   but if you if you stick to it it does [TS]

01:15:42   ramp up the action and a little more [TS]

01:15:44   science fiction is in there the last 700 [TS]

01:15:47   pages they really make up for the first [TS]

01:15:50   two all right Eric [TS]

01:15:51   alright that's good that's got the again [TS]

01:15:53   it's the Scott melted guarantee that it [TS]

01:15:55   is a book he liked and read the history [TS]

01:15:57   with your bookie that no I liked it I [TS]

01:16:01   guarantee it [TS]

01:16:03   I like the first 200 pages tombs yeah [TS]

01:16:05   Glenn it's your turn [TS]

01:16:07   absolutely i'm ready this time I i like [TS]

01:16:11   to vote at the end about the most it did [TS]

01:16:14   Scott create wiki entries for all the [TS]

01:16:16   books that he's suggesting this time [TS]

01:16:17   around [TS]

01:16:18   hey they seem all made up but i'll have [TS]

01:16:21   to go read them because they're so fast [TS]

01:16:23   today they're so they they are all [TS]

01:16:24   fiction so they are in fact all may know [TS]

01:16:26   it's not by scott it's not double blind [TS]

01:16:30   so i have a book by a Seattle other [TS]

01:16:34   Seattle author Neal Stephenson being a [TS]

01:16:36   CL other matt rough wrote this book [TS]

01:16:38   called mirage that came out first [TS]

01:16:40   I believe originally in 2011 and went [TS]

01:16:43   into a paperback or doesn't 12 he writes [TS]

01:16:46   relatively few novels he spends years on [TS]

01:16:48   them and mirages again I think it's part [TS]

01:16:50   of my eyelids genre i guess there's a [TS]

01:16:52   Glen John which is the viewing the [TS]

01:16:55   universe through the eyes of other [TS]

01:16:57   cultures so we're not reading the same [TS]

01:16:58   old tropes or the troops have to be [TS]

01:17:00   transformed so cash you know I can [TS]

01:17:03   mirage i can tell you how it opens but I [TS]

01:17:04   don't want to tell you too much about it [TS]

01:17:06   but it's it's earth it's you know this [TS]

01:17:09   time but the greatest power in the world [TS]

01:17:12   is not the United States and say Russia [TS]

01:17:14   it's the United Arab states and their [TS]

01:17:16   you too [TS]

01:17:17   there's some it has detective Scott [TS]

01:17:19   you'd love it [TS]

01:17:20   I have and in 2001 what happened is that [TS]

01:17:23   Christian fundamentalist hijacked [TS]

01:17:26   jetliners and drove and flew them into [TS]

01:17:29   tigris and euphrates World Trade Towers [TS]

01:17:31   and Baghdad into the Arab defence [TS]

01:17:33   ministry and Riyadh so it really imagine [TS]

01:17:35   a world in which when at some point [TS]

01:17:36   something shifted and the Arab world [TS]

01:17:38   wound up as the superpower and sort of [TS]

01:17:41   running things with with the same sorts [TS]

01:17:43   of conflicts that they have today but [TS]

01:17:46   muted because they're in charge the [TS]

01:17:47   sectarian unrest and and so forth and [TS]

01:17:51   United States a bunch of really messed [TS]

01:17:53   up little contingents of fundamentalisms [TS]

01:17:56   and moderates the president is very [TS]

01:17:57   little power it's a sort of a crazy [TS]

01:18:00   place and there's something not quite [TS]

01:18:02   right in this world which is why it's [TS]

01:18:04   called mirage and I want to give away [TS]

01:18:06   too much because it's sort of like a [TS]

01:18:07   break in the world kind of thing and it [TS]

01:18:10   starts to become a parent what's going [TS]

01:18:11   on but it'sit's fantasy he writes these [TS]

01:18:13   these very woods a slightly delightful [TS]

01:18:16   things that even when everything is sort [TS]

01:18:18   of crazy like you know how the [TS]

01:18:20   experimental Stephen similar to steal [TS]

01:18:21   students will have 400 different things [TS]

01:18:23   going on and then at the end there's a [TS]

01:18:25   car crash and you and you don't know [TS]

01:18:26   better than some people walk away and [TS]

01:18:28   summer just left it was a bloody mess [TS]

01:18:30   the meddling like I don't really know [TS]

01:18:31   what happened to your fucking need some [TS]

01:18:33   more ambulances to figure it out and [TS]

01:18:35   doctors please and Matt rough tends to [TS]

01:18:39   bring everything together in a neat [TS]

01:18:41   little wrapper and you may or may not be [TS]

01:18:44   satisfied with it always i think some of [TS]

01:18:46   his novels anyway I'm like all right [TS]

01:18:47   well as a lot of whatever but he's kind [TS]

01:18:49   of a magical realism / more fantasy [TS]

01:18:52   writer than say sci-fi or no realistic [TS]

01:18:55   fiction so I love your gas electric I [TS]

01:18:58   think that's another point people to [TS]

01:18:59   create the other and Rand in a tiny yeah [TS]

01:19:03   in a cube giant mutant sharks and [TS]

01:19:07   shooters and walt disney's the racing [TS]

01:19:10   for the virus and yes yeah 15 bucks is [TS]

01:19:14   crazy and also i'm sorry we're gonna get [TS]

01:19:16   he's a lovely guy lives in Seattle and [TS]

01:19:18   on for a story inside he's really part [TS]

01:19:23   of the glaring at the wedding promise do [TS]

01:19:27   not know any other authors in the thing [TS]

01:19:28   but I i read a fool on the hill was one [TS]

01:19:31   of his earliest race first novel was [TS]

01:19:32   published first and he that was set in [TS]

01:19:35   cornell where my wife went to [TS]

01:19:38   university and she she had and i read it [TS]

01:19:41   and i really love this charming in [TS]

01:19:43   different it it's got a lot of talkin it [TS]

01:19:47   also so if you like Tolkien for the hell [TS]

01:19:49   is kind of neat and anyway so I like [TS]

01:19:51   mirage quite a lot and it i recommend it [TS]

01:19:54   it's a good read it sort of crazy [TS]

01:19:55   because you're reading in your heads [TS]

01:19:56   going yeah because every David crash [TS]

01:19:59   appears and and some people are their [TS]

01:20:04   son-in-law is there of course but you [TS]

01:20:05   have the former leader of Libya Muammar [TS]

01:20:08   Qaddafi is like even the internet of [TS]

01:20:10   course of course cannot be you know it's [TS]

01:20:12   like all of question is the al gore the [TS]

01:20:14   book and anyway it's it's not a romp [TS]

01:20:16   it's pretty serious and very violent [TS]

01:20:18   spots but he somehow manages to make it [TS]

01:20:20   very interesting and charming and also [TS]

01:20:23   liked it comes up you read it i did read [TS]

01:20:26   it you like the good i spoke about it on [TS]

01:20:29   an episode of the uncomfortable is not [TS]

01:20:30   want to yes in fact [TS]

01:20:31   oh thanks for listening Glenn yeah so [TS]

01:20:36   well I'll close up a third-round and [TS]

01:20:38   then what we wanted them done with this [TS]

01:20:39   if you guys have any other you know [TS]

01:20:41   things that we were left that you didn't [TS]

01:20:43   get the pic we can go around you know [TS]

01:20:44   really quickly and you can throw at [TS]

01:20:45   other things to plug if people read all [TS]

01:20:47   of these books they can move on to the [TS]

01:20:51   ancillary auxiliary I don't know [TS]

01:20:53   whatever selections ladies around let me [TS]

01:20:54   close my let me close close this up the [TS]

01:20:57   the main part of this with you said my [TS]

01:21:00   theme is things that aren't really [TS]

01:21:01   science fictional but but uh have some [TS]

01:21:04   sort of tie this is a this is an [TS]

01:21:07   extremely obscure book in that it won [TS]

01:21:11   the purulent surprise whatever but i'm [TS]

01:21:15   going to recommend it because i think [TS]

01:21:16   that i think that there are a lot of [TS]

01:21:17   people out there who listen to us who [TS]

01:21:20   maybe don't we even though it won the [TS]

01:21:23   Pulitzer Prize i'm still gonna recommend [TS]

01:21:25   because I don't know if our listeners [TS]

01:21:27   have read this book and they should it's [TS]

01:21:29   not like they're taking their medicine [TS]

01:21:30   when they read this book okay and if [TS]

01:21:32   it's my theme so i'm also gonna toss it [TS]

01:21:34   in here because it's my favorite The [TS]

01:21:35   Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and clay [TS]

01:21:36   by michael chabon I've i recommended in [TS]

01:21:39   many many many times are going to [TS]

01:21:41   recommend it again its story so it is [TS]

01:21:44   two characters roughly modeled on siegel [TS]

01:21:47   and shuster who were the inventors of [TS]

01:21:49   Superman but it's actually got a [TS]

01:21:51   there-there composites of lots of comic [TS]

01:21:53   book creators from the the forties and [TS]

01:21:56   fifties including Jack Kirby Stanley bob [TS]

01:22:00   kane joe simon so many of those of those [TS]

01:22:03   Golden Age comic book creators it's also [TS]

01:22:06   very much a story of Jewish immigrants [TS]

01:22:08   to New York it's a story world war two [TS]

01:22:11   Hitler's in it Scott and I've read it i [TS]

01:22:14   only the Hitler personally think that [TS]

01:22:17   was right we're gonna get in so much [TS]

01:22:21   trouble someday it so it is it is about [TS]

01:22:24   people like us in that they are nerdy [TS]

01:22:28   kids who have this obsession with these [TS]

01:22:30   stories and the way they tie in kind of [TS]

01:22:33   Jewish stories about things like golems [TS]

01:22:35   and and then tie it into the the stories [TS]

01:22:38   they tell to this broader audience is [TS]

01:22:41   great the effects of the war the effects [TS]

01:22:46   of uh well with a one of the characters [TS]

01:22:50   is gay and so the effects of living that [TS]

01:22:54   life in the nineteen forties and what it [TS]

01:22:56   does what it means about his career and [TS]

01:22:59   about his relations relationships to [TS]

01:23:02   other people who he's close to is is [TS]

01:23:05   great as well and it's fun i have to say [TS]

01:23:08   that it is not only this period surprise [TS]

01:23:10   winning thing I don't want it I just [TS]

01:23:12   feel like people kind of like wow that [TS]

01:23:14   sounds really serious i'm not going to [TS]

01:23:15   read it it's fun it is in many ways a [TS]

01:23:17   celebration of this incredible flowering [TS]

01:23:20   of a really geeky subculture that that [TS]

01:23:23   led to the creation of all of the great [TS]

01:23:26   comic book characters of the 20th [TS]

01:23:28   century a and yet how it was how the the [TS]

01:23:32   Jewish experience in new york city was a [TS]

01:23:34   part of a major part of that and how it [TS]

01:23:36   was affected by world war two and the [TS]

01:23:38   aftermath of world war two and it's all [TS]

01:23:39   wrapped up with with a lot of love [TS]

01:23:42   Siobhan it invents the the escapist [TS]

01:23:45   that's the name of the character that [TS]

01:23:47   they create and then there's some [TS]

01:23:48   wonderful bits there and he's going on [TS]

01:23:50   to actually make some escape as comics [TS]

01:23:53   which I i think i'm in one collection [TS]

01:23:54   kind of wonderful have all of up and [TS]

01:23:57   it's and it's beautiful it is a [TS]

01:23:59   beautiful book that I think a Pete will [TS]

01:24:02   appeal to anybody who reads the kind of [TS]

01:24:04   book [TS]

01:24:04   but we talked about on this on this [TS]

01:24:05   podcast and don't just because he is a a [TS]

01:24:08   a lot adminstrator novelist whose won [TS]

01:24:11   lots of prizes like the people surprised [TS]

01:24:13   he's one of us that's the dirty secret [TS]

01:24:15   that he's finally admitted to now that [TS]

01:24:17   he has won all the prizes and this book [TS]

01:24:20   spoke to me in a way that um I i did not [TS]

01:24:24   expect because I I felt like it really [TS]

01:24:27   was not only things i love these people [TS]

01:24:29   have enthusiasms for things that i love [TS]

01:24:31   to but there you know i could see i [TS]

01:24:34   could see if not see me in them I could [TS]

01:24:38   also see my friends and and you know if [TS]

01:24:40   it was all very familiar to me and and I [TS]

01:24:43   like that a lot so Kavalier and clay i [TS]

01:24:47   know people talk about it a lot you [TS]

01:24:48   should actually read it it's really good [TS]

01:24:51   Scott you've read that one too i have i [TS]

01:24:54   read that was something that was nearly [TS]

01:24:55   one of the thumbs up it was reading [TS]

01:24:57   books tonight i'll save the blending for [TS]

01:24:58   the after dark that ok i saw i saw [TS]

01:25:02   Michael Chabon speak with David Mitchell [TS]

01:25:05   who's the author of the cloud atlas and [TS]

01:25:07   he's a very interesting man in person oh [TS]

01:25:09   yeah now that that was almost one of my [TS]

01:25:11   books tonight and I had a feeling you [TS]

01:25:13   were going to pick it so I just went [TS]

01:25:14   after getting but it's yeah it's [TS]

01:25:16   fantastic and it has possibly my [TS]

01:25:19   favorite ikea joke anywhere [TS]

01:25:22   si si it's not it's not boring at all [TS]

01:25:27   it's got ikea jokes in it it's that [TS]

01:25:30   funny and goal and a golem and I'm glad [TS]

01:25:33   that you you pictures because i think [TS]

01:25:35   you're right that people might be put [TS]

01:25:36   off because of the culture must be [TS]

01:25:38   boring and most boring serious not very [TS]

01:25:40   late exactly it's actually it won the [TS]

01:25:42   Pulitzer despite being a genre in some [TS]

01:25:46   ways novel it was fantastic yeah it's [TS]

01:25:49   like waving off no no prize-winning no [TS]

01:25:51   boring you know know what read it its [TS]

01:25:54   it's great [TS]

01:25:55   he also edited a mix weenies collection [TS]

01:25:57   of really fun shandra pulpy adventure [TS]

01:26:01   books i forget her stories i forget the [TS]

01:26:03   ripping total of its like thrilling [TS]

01:26:05   yarns or the big ass of the treasury of [TS]

01:26:09   thrilling and be there to look it up on [TS]

01:26:11   amazon thrilling [TS]

01:26:12   it's called the mammoth treasury of [TS]

01:26:14   thrilling tales it's quite lengthy [TS]

01:26:15   there's a Zeppelin story a civil war [TS]

01:26:17   zone [TS]

01:26:18   oh yeah are those efforts yes yes so [TS]

01:26:21   it's it's certified that that's him [TS]

01:26:23   doing all the John's in there it's it's [TS]

01:26:25   great fun and anytime I can pick nick [TS]

01:26:27   hornby and michael chabon in the same [TS]

01:26:30   podcast I'm i'm doing pretty good [TS]

01:26:32   because those guys are my those are but [TS]

01:26:34   those are my favs [TS]

01:26:35   those are my two favorites so alright we [TS]

01:26:37   are almost out of time but I want to go [TS]

01:26:39   around and if you have anything left on [TS]

01:26:41   your list that you want to just mention [TS]

01:26:42   briefly now is the time to do it well [TS]

01:26:46   right now I'm reading song of spider-man [TS]

01:26:49   by glenn burger which is the he was the [TS]

01:26:53   original writer of the spider-man turn [TS]

01:26:55   off the dark musical and so this is the [TS]

01:26:58   inside story of working with julie [TS]

01:27:00   taymor Bono and the edge and how it all [TS]

01:27:02   started beautifully and how it all went [TS]

01:27:04   horribly wrong and the thing that's [TS]

01:27:06   amazing about it is not that it's that [TS]

01:27:09   story it's that it's really defensive [TS]

01:27:11   it's really kind of odd and I don't [TS]

01:27:14   think he realizes quite how he comes off [TS]

01:27:17   in it its proper really interesting [TS]

01:27:19   America do you have any extras i do two [TS]

01:27:22   quickies and fiction and nonfiction the [TS]

01:27:24   fiction is another Lloyd biggle junior [TS]

01:27:26   book the one I didn't pick it's called [TS]

01:27:27   all the colors of darkness and turn 1963 [TS]

01:27:30   so little earlier than the other one [TS]

01:27:32   it is a science fiction private eye [TS]

01:27:35   detective story about the invention of [TS]

01:27:37   teleportation so it's pretty cool it's [TS]

01:27:40   very simple and quick and fun and I like [TS]

01:27:42   it and the non-fiction book is of course [TS]

01:27:45   another doctor who book which just came [TS]

01:27:47   out this year for the 50th anniversary [TS]

01:27:48   it's called whose 5250 Doctor Who [TS]

01:27:51   stories to watch before you die and i'm [TS]

01:27:54   about halfway through it and parts [TS]

01:27:56   parceling it out in little nuggets to [TS]

01:27:58   myself because it going through one [TS]

01:27:59   story every day and I'm loving it so [TS]

01:28:01   much to authors Graham Burke and robert [TS]

01:28:04   smith ? he added a ? to his name yes [TS]

01:28:07   lead on because there are a lot of [TS]

01:28:09   Robert Smith out there so you had a [TS]

01:28:10   question mark and that separates you [TS]

01:28:12   from the rest of the guys but they kind [TS]

01:28:15   of are you back and forth with each [TS]

01:28:17   other about the stories sometimes they [TS]

01:28:18   agree sometimes they don't gives a lot [TS]

01:28:20   of interesting details in addition to [TS]

01:28:23   kind of a review is sort of thing but [TS]

01:28:25   there's some trivia and it's it's [TS]

01:28:28   fascinating in a really fun quick read [TS]

01:28:30   Scott you got anything [TS]

01:28:31   i will pick no not one of the few no [TS]

01:28:34   picking on you just can't just throw [TS]

01:28:36   things out now this doesn't come LOL i [TS]

01:28:38   will i will suggest my phone is actually [TS]

01:28:41   my list i marked as bonus so it has [TS]

01:28:43   almost picture one of the few [TS]

01:28:44   non-fiction books i read this year a [TS]

01:28:46   cartridge must be destroyed which is [TS]

01:28:49   about as you might expect the city of [TS]

01:28:52   Carthage and its relationship with Rome [TS]

01:28:53   Cato the Elder there's the this famous [TS]

01:28:57   story the Cato the Elder when he spoke [TS]

01:28:59   at the Roman Senate he would end every [TS]

01:29:01   speech no matter what he was talking [TS]

01:29:02   about with the phrase cartridge must be [TS]

01:29:04   destroyed because he just hated the city [TS]

01:29:07   of Carthage as fascinating book it goes [TS]

01:29:10   into y Carthage was such a threat to the [TS]

01:29:13   Roman world and kind of questions if it [TS]

01:29:15   actually was or not and how without [TS]

01:29:18   Carthage there could be no Roman Empire [TS]

01:29:20   because the the Romans kind of [TS]

01:29:22   inexplicable hatred of cartridge really [TS]

01:29:24   fueled their whole desire to build this [TS]

01:29:27   great army and these roads and and [TS]

01:29:29   everything so it's a fascinating book [TS]

01:29:30   Glenn what do you have [TS]

01:29:32   well I just thought of this when you [TS]

01:29:32   mention Kavalier and clay there's a book [TS]

01:29:34   that is it's not exactly like it's a [TS]

01:29:37   sleeper book i wonder if I've mentioned [TS]

01:29:38   it before Carter beats the dance like [TS]

01:29:40   Len Davis world this is a fine he's a [TS]

01:29:43   kid he's on Twitter posts like at three [TS]

01:29:46   hundred day intervals and he piped up [TS]

01:29:48   about something i said like six months [TS]

01:29:50   ago responded two i think as i was [TS]

01:29:53   mentioning his book and I cited inside [TS]

01:29:54   twitter account it's a book about a [TS]

01:29:57   magician and it has uh it's just I think [TS]

01:29:59   it's one of the I think it's fantastic [TS]

01:30:02   total sleeper never broke out in which i [TS]

01:30:05   believe Kavalier and clay came out not [TS]

01:30:07   long after and I think it might have [TS]

01:30:08   gotten lost in the show there's a [TS]

01:30:10   magician angle to this and it's michael [TS]

01:30:12   chabon it went out of control so I don't [TS]

01:30:15   know but it's a great book [TS]

01:30:16   the other thing I was gonna mention is [TS]

01:30:17   another nonfiction that I really struck [TS]

01:30:19   me this year disappearance of darkness [TS]

01:30:21   by Robert early which is about the end [TS]

01:30:24   of the making of analog film and it's a [TS]

01:30:26   book of wonderful photographs that I [TS]

01:30:28   went out and shot with large format [TS]

01:30:30   photographic film which is Messier and [TS]

01:30:32   he said when he started it was sort of [TS]

01:30:36   normal to be shooting with that side its [TS]

01:30:37   kind of film a few years ago for the [TS]

01:30:39   architectural stuff that he often did [TS]

01:30:40   and by the end he said I was like a [TS]

01:30:42   blacksmith carrying around bellows [TS]

01:30:44   it's just the transition was so fast at [TS]

01:30:47   the high end and he he managed to our [TS]

01:30:50   lives in Toronto teaches up there and he [TS]

01:30:52   went out to the implosion of some kodak [TS]

01:30:54   factories and round up essentially [TS]

01:30:56   documenting the implosion and [TS]

01:30:58   destruction shutdown of photographic [TS]

01:31:00   film factories around the world and it's [TS]

01:31:01   a it's both sad and interesting lovely a [TS]

01:31:05   great stocking stuffer this book full of [TS]

01:31:07   buildings imploding I think everyone [TS]

01:31:09   should have in their stocking for [TS]

01:31:10   christmas who loves film or imploding [TS]

01:31:13   buildings look it's got a lot of lotion [TS]

01:31:15   one of those Jason do you have any last [TS]

01:31:18   it's down to me yes the things that were [TS]

01:31:19   left on the cutting room floor both of [TS]

01:31:22   which i think i have at least mentioned [TS]

01:31:23   in passing on past podcast so i'll [TS]

01:31:24   mention the main task again that's all [TS]

01:31:27   again they know what they did [TS]

01:31:30   always a bridesmaid never but I know [TS]

01:31:32   inherit the stars by James P Hogan 80 a [TS]

01:31:36   book that i love it is a very strange [TS]

01:31:39   book about it's it's a sort of simply [TS]

01:31:43   written 1970 sci-fi novel written when [TS]

01:31:45   he was an engineer at digital equipment [TS]

01:31:47   corporation he made a bet about that he [TS]

01:31:49   could make a that he could read a sci-fi [TS]

01:31:51   novel and get it published and he won [TS]

01:31:53   the BET and insect it's kind of a [TS]

01:31:55   classic it is a little dated but it's [TS]

01:31:57   such a great premise which is there some [TS]

01:32:00   astronauts on the moon and they're [TS]

01:32:01   walking along and they find a dead body [TS]

01:32:03   and they don't know where this dead body [TS]

01:32:07   could possibly have come from because [TS]

01:32:09   they're on the moon and the answer that [TS]

01:32:12   they come up with is shocking and cool [TS]

01:32:15   so it's just a fun it's a fun read and I [TS]

01:32:18   i met him hehe died recently but I met [TS]

01:32:20   who useful in my hometown and it's a [TS]

01:32:21   great coup insulin book chasing yeah [TS]

01:32:24   that was some isn't letting their i [TS]

01:32:27   bought a copy of that book for a dollar [TS]

01:32:28   based on Jason's recommendation you read [TS]

01:32:31   it [TS]

01:32:31   no okay but you probably think that my [TS]

01:32:34   had alright got zero sense for that's a [TS]

01:32:36   fun it's a fun fun fun book and then the [TS]

01:32:40   other book i'll recommend is the first [TS]

01:32:42   in a series they are i think in print [TS]

01:32:46   but hard to find but i would say seek [TS]

01:32:49   them out [TS]

01:32:50   jim lehrer who you may know is the [TS]

01:32:52   co-anchor of the PBS Newshour for many [TS]

01:32:54   many years wrote a series of course [TS]

01:32:57   easy novels set in Oklahoma starting a [TS]

01:33:01   character called the one-eyed Mac who [TS]

01:33:03   ends up is the lieutenant governor of [TS]

01:33:05   Oklahoma although he starts off as a bus [TS]

01:33:08   pirate speaking of pirates higher up [TS]

01:33:10   again and I plus pirate because the gym [TS]

01:33:13   later our house in Oklahoma there are no [TS]

01:33:16   ships but there are buses so he could [TS]

01:33:18   become a bus pirate the first book is [TS]

01:33:21   called kick-the-can I think he wrote 6 1 [TS]

01:33:23   i'd Mac novels he does end up crown [TS]

01:33:25   Oklahoma is the second one he ends up as [TS]

01:33:28   lieutenant governor of Oklahoma they are [TS]

01:33:30   their wacky in the same way if anybody's [TS]

01:33:33   read it Winston groom wrote forrest gump [TS]

01:33:36   the novel it's like that it's funny and [TS]

01:33:40   weird and you would never expect mr. PBS [TS]

01:33:43   anchorman to necessarily be the guy [TS]

01:33:44   writing these crazy colorful hilarious [TS]

01:33:47   novels but they're they're great and [TS]

01:33:51   funny and weird and I wish they were [TS]

01:33:52   more widely available but i did i do [TS]

01:33:55   think somebody put them back in print a [TS]

01:33:57   few years ago and so there they are [TS]

01:33:59   available kick McCann is the first one [TS]

01:34:01   and they're just they're there who there [TS]

01:34:03   kick their sweet and funny and strange [TS]

01:34:05   and and lots of wild you know things [TS]

01:34:09   that he describes that are happening in [TS]

01:34:11   these very strange little towns in [TS]

01:34:12   Oklahoma [TS]

01:34:13   oh yeah so kick the can is my those are [TS]

01:34:15   just delightful oh my god good somebody [TS]

01:34:18   else I've never even found people have [TS]

01:34:19   ready and I think nobody ever even heard [TS]

01:34:20   of them but they're great they're [TS]

01:34:21   hilarious similar alright that's it [TS]

01:34:24   we're done if you if you don't have [TS]

01:34:26   anything to read if you're sitting there [TS]

01:34:28   moaning to yourself and you're like I [TS]

01:34:30   don't know what to read anymore [TS]

01:34:31   ok we look we can we've done all we can [TS]

01:34:35   we have we have provided you with if you [TS]

01:34:37   count the extras it's like more than 20 [TS]

01:34:39   books for you to read so pick something [TS]

01:34:41   out [TS]

01:34:42   I hope something sounded good put it on [TS]

01:34:44   your wish list go out and buy it [TS]

01:34:46   visit your local library and check one [TS]

01:34:48   out whatever however you want to do it [TS]

01:34:50   we've got a lot of great ideas they're [TS]

01:34:52   all over the place a lot of books I've [TS]

01:34:54   never heard of before which is very [TS]

01:34:55   exciting to me because I'm gonna go put [TS]

01:34:57   them on my list too so i think we have [TS]

01:35:00   done our jobs for now and so I'm going [TS]

01:35:03   to thank my guests for their excellent [TS]

01:35:05   excellent choices really kind of blows [TS]

01:35:08   me away [TS]

01:35:08   we'll go in order so [TS]

01:35:10   it starts off with the four-letter word [TS]

01:35:11   Lisa it's a good word hit me like it and [TS]

01:35:20   I could be substituted for squares now [TS]

01:35:22   that's bull Issa thank you i had a lot [TS]

01:35:29   of fun tonight i'm looking forward to [TS]

01:35:31   reading a lot of everyone else's pics [TS]

01:35:32   yeah yeah absolutely [TS]

01:35:34   David Laura thank you very much thank [TS]

01:35:36   you i have actually been doing some book [TS]

01:35:38   shopping while we were talking [TS]

01:35:39   mmm yes this podcast cost you 50 that is [TS]

01:35:43   the side effect of these everything [TS]

01:35:45   Erica and sign thank you for coming back [TS]

01:35:48   on thank you so much for having me again [TS]

01:35:50   i have been so kind of woefully out of [TS]

01:35:52   the loop and reading lately but you guys [TS]

01:35:54   I think of have managed to take me back [TS]

01:35:56   into gear and getting back on the horse [TS]

01:35:57   so many books [TS]

01:35:59   yeah so many books Scott McNulty so many [TS]

01:36:02   books I i find it difficult to read on a [TS]

01:36:06   horse but that's what America more power [TS]

01:36:09   to you that's what they do in Canada [TS]

01:36:10   actually there's a lot of course I don't [TS]

01:36:12   understand can read on a moose in canada [TS]

01:36:14   the Mounties know the Mounties that's [TS]

01:36:16   why they're mounted as they are reading [TS]

01:36:17   other will see they always get their [TS]

01:36:19   boat helps me improve my balance [TS]

01:36:20   Glenn fleischmann thank you thank you [TS]

01:36:22   very much i'm saving up my cleansing for [TS]

01:36:25   next year I'll be have a whole new set [TS]

01:36:28   of cleaning to bring in to this fine [TS]

01:36:29   company i got a signal and actually your [TS]

01:36:31   choices this dish year were were all [TS]

01:36:33   sort of like lucid and sensible your [TS]

01:36:36   choices the last time work or not [TS]

01:36:38   so what does admit I'm a little [TS]

01:36:39   disappointed that you didn't pick up i [TS]

01:36:42   believe last in the last one we actually [TS]

01:36:44   you pick will you pick that philip k [TS]

01:36:46   dick galactic pot healer and you know [TS]

01:36:47   you really even begin you picked like a [TS]

01:36:49   totally other book and instead or this [TS]

01:36:51   other one that's my pic instead and it [TS]

01:36:53   was very confusing and yeah so thank you [TS]

01:36:55   for for playing by the rules this time I [TS]

01:36:57   appreciate try to be less listen next [TS]

01:36:58   time sorry [TS]

01:36:59   all is forgiven and thanks everybody out [TS]

01:37:01   there for listing we hope we've given [TS]

01:37:02   you some great ideas for books to read [TS]

01:37:04   or put on your holiday list or hour or [TS]

01:37:07   something I don't know or or whatever [TS]

01:37:09   you want to do read the books read the [TS]

01:37:10   books that's our message we got lots of [TS]

01:37:12   good books out there you should read [TS]

01:37:13   them and until next time for the [TS]

01:37:16   comfortable and everybody here I've been [TS]

01:37:18   your host Jason still see you later [TS]