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184: ‘Hubbo Is in Decline’, With Special Guest Merlin Mann

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0:00:00oh boy Oh once you start locking

0:00:02everything down wow did you unlock cask

0:00:07you a question yeah you can ask me any

0:00:08to you do you um we cut this out do you

0:00:11unlock your Mac with your watch I do Wow

0:00:15but I don't wear my I don't wear my

0:00:17watch every day but it's one of my

0:00:18favorite features in it at it's actually

0:00:21one of the main motivators for me to

0:00:23wear my watch because I love that

0:00:26feature so much I do I trust it it in

0:00:29and I find that it works amazingly it

0:00:32works you know I'm over eighty percent

0:00:33of the time which is good but a man's

0:00:36switch in it was a good excuse to

0:00:38finally switch over from to step 2 to

0:00:41factor wow that's a heck of a thing I'm

0:00:45glad I did it and I gotta tell you I put

0:00:48it off for a long time I only did it

0:00:52several weeks ago uh there was like an

0:00:57update to I forget if it was a mac OS

0:01:01update or an iOS update where one of the

0:01:03features was hey you know we came out

0:01:05with this unlock your Mac feature with

0:01:07your watch back in October whatever but

0:01:09we made it really fast now and I was

0:01:11like you know when I gotta try i've been

0:01:12putting this off and i put it off

0:01:14because I didn't have the two-factor I

0:01:16had to step am I saying it right yeah

0:01:19yeah the two-step I mean I didn't tell

0:01:22you the spec on this but the if you

0:01:24tried if you're trying to determine

0:01:26which one you have running right now

0:01:27well it's probably two step and I think

0:01:29the easiest way to tell and correct me

0:01:31if i'm wrong i'm sure people will with

0:01:34two step you get an SMS message with a

0:01:37four-digit code with two factor you get

0:01:40a like a more official looking like iOS

0:01:42pop-up right and a six digit code right

0:01:46it is switching over switching over is

0:01:49who you want to not be having a holiday

0:01:53party when you switch over to two factor

0:01:55I've been one night I got I got a

0:01:58macbook adorable and I thought okay I'll

0:02:00give this a spin and so I thought you

0:02:03know Oh watching TV watching TV set up

0:02:05to factor and I was trying to be that

0:02:07guy I'm trying to be like security guys

0:02:09so like I don't leave iCloud I don't

0:02:11tick the button to keep me logged in

0:02:13i'm on a mac with iCloud I don't know

0:02:15why it's just a dumb superstition but so

0:02:17if memory serves you got to go in you

0:02:19have to first you have to shut off this

0:02:20is totally like Tom Cruise coming down

0:02:22the line like you land right before you

0:02:25hit the floor so you gotta log in and in

0:02:28my case so I got a fact to factor in

0:02:29right to to site to steppin now I to

0:02:32step in okay not a problem have some

0:02:35drinks set up to factor no problem so so

0:02:37far so good I to two step in and first

0:02:41you gotta shut off to step like this not

0:02:45only makes sense first you have to shut

0:02:47off to step and then to turn on

0:02:48two-factor and there might be another

0:02:51two step at that point to make sure you

0:02:54want to shut off to step but in any case

0:02:56then you get to where you have to put in

0:02:59three security questions and optionally

0:03:04I think a phone number and so on that

0:03:07guy right so like I don't have the box

0:03:10ticked over here I got one password oh

0:03:12by the way and I was trying to do this

0:03:14on an iPad so initially and so I and

0:03:19then eventually I moved to the to the

0:03:21macbook adorable but point being I'm I'm

0:03:24not going to put in like the name of my

0:03:25high school I'm not going to put in my

0:03:27favorite band or whatever i have my own

0:03:29way of doing this by using a

0:03:31non-conventional answer to that but i

0:03:33want to get it exactly right so i type

0:03:35all of them into one password and then

0:03:38i'm copying and pasting them I I hate

0:03:41those security questions because I I

0:03:44have a podcast and on a podcast I might

0:03:46occasionally I might tell a story about

0:03:49my first grade teacher like absolutely I

0:03:52told stories about my my crazy dog

0:03:56Chester and growing up who used to who

0:03:58my name is definitely John Gruber my dog

0:04:02is Chester even reset everything he was

0:04:05a great dog I can't help it tell stories

0:04:07about him but I mean those shins I don't

0:04:09like those questions at all either isn't

0:04:11it that stuff seems awful and because

0:04:16everybody I know who's actually been

0:04:17hacked has been hacked through all right

0:04:19I think so i think this is true that

0:04:21everybody I know has had any kind of

0:04:22problems with

0:04:24you know the hijinks that these things

0:04:27are meant to to defend against was

0:04:29hacked through with a social engineering

0:04:32social engineer I was going to say

0:04:33social manipulation but you know that

0:04:36the mat Honan problem right exactly

0:04:38somebody just calls up and says I'm John

0:04:40Gruber and oh yeah my first grade

0:04:41teacher so and so and the dog was named

0:04:44Chester and and you know boom then

0:04:47they're in I had an additional problem

0:04:49with the switch from to step 2 to factor

0:04:51with iCloud where well numbered the

0:04:54whole thing it is a mess and I don't

0:04:56even know how I got into this situation

0:04:57where I'm one of the people who've got

0:05:00to iCloud things where I've got the one

0:05:03that I used where I to Apple IDs one me

0:05:07to want one for my stuff and one for my

0:05:08media oh yeah so when i buy stuff it's

0:05:11with its it's with a different account

0:05:14and when that's my old i still have my

0:05:16old like I think mac com or me calm oh

0:05:19no what is was that I even have a third

0:05:21Apple ID which isn't even an email

0:05:26address it's just a name which is from

0:05:29Alba developer connection it was like an

0:05:32ADC account that I set up in like

0:05:33nineteen ninety-eight but like back then

0:05:36it was like they didn't use email is

0:05:38like your identifier they just let you

0:05:39pick a name and so I've still got that

0:05:41and and there's certain things that if I

0:05:44go through a DC they're like you need to

0:05:47you need to upgrade this account to an

0:05:49email address but the problem is that

0:05:51the two email addresses that I most like

0:05:53to use with it are all already Apple IDs

0:05:55so I came anyway but that program I ran

0:05:59into was i turn off to step and it is

0:06:02weird it is like first step turn off all

0:06:04your security on your account right

0:06:06second step go through this and then go

0:06:08in and like on iOS you go to like

0:06:11settings iCloud click your name and then

0:06:14there's like turn on two-factor

0:06:16authentication except I would follow

0:06:21those steps and go there and there was

0:06:22no button that said turn on two-factor

0:06:24authentication and then I would go on

0:06:26the mac and on the mac you go to the

0:06:29settings or system prefs and there's the

0:06:31same type thing and there's a button and

0:06:32there was a button to turn on two-factor

0:06:34authentication and i would click that

0:06:36button and

0:06:37would spin not for a long time but like

0:06:39for like you know like the six or seven

0:06:42seconds you would think that it would

0:06:43take for this to like phone home to

0:06:46apple and an apple would you know figure

0:06:48out how to do this and then it would

0:06:49politely tell me that two factor

0:06:51authentication cannot be turned on for

0:06:53this account you know but you know how

0:06:57it is though you having a holiday party

0:06:58you want to increase your security and

0:07:00I'm like a terrier I'm like on the one

0:07:02hand I'm like I'm gonna get this done I

0:07:03can I know I can do this and then it

0:07:05becomes like a video game where I'm

0:07:07liking just just to cut to the chase

0:07:08here uh I'm going to tell you how many

0:07:11times I tried to do this and each time

0:07:12by the time i got the end to make it go

0:07:15I was timed out on the website because i

0:07:19hadn't ticked the button and then I'm

0:07:20like okay you know what that's fine

0:07:22we're going to do a speed run of this

0:07:23let's see if I can do this and finish it

0:07:26without having to take that button

0:07:27because now i'm mad and I never I never

0:07:29could pull it off and then of course I

0:07:31think okay you're getting your hands

0:07:32perilously close to the dragon's mouth

0:07:34at this point wait till tomorrow morning

0:07:36wait till the holiday party is over do

0:07:38this in the clear light of day and I did

0:07:40tick the button and it did work and then

0:07:42of course everything's blowing up on all

0:07:44the voices letting me know that you know

0:07:46all these things are available in all

0:07:47these places but I don't know it's just

0:07:49it's another one of those things where

0:07:50far from I guess security theater I mean

0:07:53this is such an important thing for all

0:07:55of us to be working on but it is not

0:07:59super consumer friendly well I said I

0:08:03think I I think Apple deserves some

0:08:06praise for its because I think they're

0:08:08more or less doing the right thing and I

0:08:09think now that I have it working I I do

0:08:10like the way that it works and I like

0:08:13the new advanced like you said like it

0:08:15looks like instead of just getting a

0:08:17text message or an iMessage or whatever

0:08:18it is with a code you get like a real

0:08:20nice dialogue and it even has a map

0:08:22showing you where the right to the thing

0:08:24is trying to log on um uh so they're

0:08:29doing the right thing I just think it

0:08:30shows how hard it is to move old systems

0:08:35along to the best practices right

0:08:38because the Apple ID system dates back

0:08:40to you know like 19 I don't know late

0:08:4390s when it was literally just a

0:08:45username and a password and that was it

0:08:48and your plastic I don't think I got one

0:08:51until

0:08:51um whatever the original mobileme thing

0:08:55was like where you got the cards and all

0:08:56that stuff that's probably when i first

0:08:58got one you have one circ you said one

0:09:00of those just a name things yeah I still

0:09:03have it yeah Wow they didn't make you

0:09:05change it uh not yet huh I think that

0:09:09they might if I if I think if I were to

0:09:11say if I were to release an app in the

0:09:15App Store under my own under that

0:09:17account i think i would have to update

0:09:18I'd have to update it to an email

0:09:19address I think there's a there's a

0:09:21couple of thing and maybe even if I got

0:09:22like a WWDC ticket I don't know if I got

0:09:25it something goes something goes wrong

0:09:27and like it could be like an itunes

0:09:29problem sometimes they'll be these weird

0:09:31sorry to go on about this but like you

0:09:34know Syracuse and I talked about this a

0:09:35lot on our program this mystery meat pop

0:09:37ups if you get periodically for like

0:09:39reauthorized with iCloud know like why I

0:09:41reauthorize like what reauthorized like

0:09:43what do you what is this for like if you

0:09:45got that from google you'd freak if

0:09:47you're just using your computer and you

0:09:49got a popup message that said

0:09:50reauthorize to Google you'd be like what

0:09:52is this but then you know then you get

0:09:54that thing where it's like oh now you

0:09:57know you go to the principal's office

0:09:58now you gotta go to apple ID apple com

0:10:01you're going to set on the bench you're

0:10:03going to wait your turn you're going to

0:10:03go use I have not used apple ID apple

0:10:06com in a while but every time i've used

0:10:08it i feel i feel like i'm like indie

0:10:11trying to get the head of the idol when

0:10:13I got the bag of sand I just might get

0:10:16out of here without getting speared

0:10:18shouldn't have been a much bigger butt

0:10:23bag of sand I thought about it because

0:10:25gold I don't know how I presume that the

0:10:28idol was hollow to some extent that it

0:10:30was not a song like a modern chocolate

0:10:32bunny yeah I presume that the idol was

0:10:35like a modern chocolate bunny made of

0:10:36gold but even so Gold is a very heavy

0:10:39substance and I I feel like that what

0:10:43they chose to do is pick something that

0:10:45was cinematically roughly the same size

0:10:46sure but I feel like you know I've oh

0:10:51it's always bothered me a little bit

0:10:52that see I'm just going to guess to me

0:10:55here and I couldn't know without holding

0:10:56the idol in the bag but I'm gonna say

0:10:58three to six times heavier than that bag

0:11:00of sand i'm also i'm loath to criticize

0:11:03the scene because it

0:11:04it's it famously this is the Raiders of

0:11:07the Lost Ark is arguably my favorite

0:11:09movie of all time depending on what day

0:11:11you ask me without question my most

0:11:14beloved movie of all time and yeah the

0:11:16movie I know without question it's the

0:11:19movie I've seen the most number of times

0:11:21and even saying that and one of the

0:11:26reasons I love the movie is that I love

0:11:27every single scene in the movie there's

0:11:28not a single clunker arguably other than

0:11:30the one where Marion it's with the

0:11:32mirror uh I know that it's a it's a

0:11:38classic and I mean my kids like will

0:11:39request to watch it it's it's still it's

0:11:42it's really well put together yeah and

0:11:45but that's seen in particular is a

0:11:47standout among standouts yeah absolutely

0:11:50here's the reason I know I think I've

0:11:51told this story before but maybe not to

0:11:53you the reason I know that I've seen

0:11:54Raiders of the Lost Ark more than any

0:11:56other movie is that growing up my friend

0:11:59JD who lived right down the street from

0:12:01me had a VCR and this is before very

0:12:05early years of VCR technology and and

0:12:08home video and you couldn't really even

0:12:12it was like before video stores and

0:12:13stuff it was like mostly VCRs or for

0:12:15taping shows and they didn't really they

0:12:17all the studios were just sort of

0:12:19dipping their toes into like well maybe

0:12:20well maybe we'll let you watch movies on

0:12:23these tapes maybe but certainly not the

0:12:25good ones and somehow JD's dad got

0:12:28copier raiders lost ark on VHS like but

0:12:31before there were like commercial

0:12:33versions of it I mean it was like if you

0:12:35know one of the very early days of

0:12:38movies that fell off the back of a truck

0:12:40and it was right one and only movie here

0:12:42yeah and we both loved it and so every

0:12:46time it rained in the summer or like on

0:12:49a Saturday or Sunday JD would call me up

0:12:51and he would just see it would say you

0:12:52want to watch the raider said i'd say

0:12:54i'll be right there and that's what it

0:12:56was it wasn't why do you want to watch a

0:12:57movie do you want to come over he would

0:12:59just call up and say do you want to

0:13:00watch Raiders and i would say sure and

0:13:02we'd go down to his house and we would

0:13:03watch the raiders of the lost ark and it

0:13:05never got old the early days of falling

0:13:08off a truck to me were i want to say it

0:13:13would have been when i was in high

0:13:13school probably around the time of

0:13:15return of the jedi HBO would show for

0:13:18Star Wars movie and so lots of people of

0:13:21my age and maybe a little bit younger

0:13:23like they they kind of came up watching

0:13:25a VHS home recorded copy that was the

0:13:28early fall off the truck now the crazy

0:13:30thing is um I was in military school for

0:13:33a year 79 to 80 and we had a Betamax and

0:13:37the deal was if we wanted movies we

0:13:38would like pitch in like if you have

0:13:40returned to get donated but you pitch in

0:13:42cuz you could buy movies right but the

0:13:44movies were about seventy to a hundred

0:13:46dollars yeah we had a bait we had a

0:13:48Betamax copy of mash we had the omen

0:13:51which was totally inappropriate but uh

0:13:54yeah and Bruce 100 bucks doing a copy of

0:13:56mash of dollars but right I heard on

0:14:01another podcast i think i want to say

0:14:03maybe the flophouse that that that was

0:14:04originally like they're basically

0:14:06building in the cost for the idea that

0:14:07video stores were going to be a thing

0:14:09mmm yes so yeah that you'd buy it and

0:14:12then like rent in a million times but i

0:14:13don't know that seems so ludicrous now i

0:14:15remember the other fallen off a truck

0:14:18movie i remember and i was pretty

0:14:20excited about it was i was probably his

0:14:23tenth birthday my friend Joey had a

0:14:25sleepover Joey's dad was a lawyer of

0:14:27arguably ill repute given some of the

0:14:32news coverage in the local town a lawyer

0:14:34in New people fake news and so I don't

0:14:37know 10 or 11 10 year olds sleeping over

0:14:40at Joey's house we got pizza and Joey's

0:14:42dad said he had a real treat force and

0:14:44so Joey's dad says there's a treat for

0:14:48you it might be good turns out somehow

0:14:50the guy got a copy of empire strikes

0:14:53back oh come on I sweat just like 1983

0:14:57so r it was like two years after it came

0:14:58out it was probably we'd all seen it in

0:15:00the theaters like because that was when

0:15:01they'd have like next a year after it

0:15:02came out they put it in theaters again

0:15:04and it it was not letterboxed but it was

0:15:10it was squished so Oh like you got to

0:15:16see the hole and maybe not the whole

0:15:19frame because that was like super wide

0:15:20screen but you got to see more of the

0:15:22picture but everybody looked like ig-88

0:15:25and ig-88 looked like a pencil

0:15:29and like okay like when the Millennium

0:15:33Falcon would like twist it would like

0:15:36when it be flying one way it would look

0:15:38fat and then it would like twist to go

0:15:40through asteroids and it would like turn

0:15:41into a piece of paper this still like so

0:15:43similar thing still happens today like

0:15:45if you're in a hotel and you know

0:15:46they've got like this giant I don't know

0:15:48why this happens they've got giant giant

0:15:49giant tvs and like SD stations and

0:15:52sometimes the settings are different

0:15:53from channel to channel yeah some guys

0:15:55I'm sure Todd could tell us what the

0:15:57name for this is but gets real squished

0:15:58up yep from some kind of mystery meat

0:16:00aspect ratio yeah so oh my god oh still

0:16:03he got a copy of this movie on VHS and

0:16:06it was like once at first we were all we

0:16:09are super excited then everybody was

0:16:10like what the heck why is everything

0:16:11squished and then we kind of figured out

0:16:14what was going on and I was kind of

0:16:15super happy about it because surprise

0:16:17surprise even as a ten-year-old I was a

0:16:19you know a bit of a nerd about hey just

0:16:22you know pan and scan sucks I was kind

0:16:26of once once once i got like five so

0:16:29glad to learn the name for that cuz I

0:16:31don't think I knew it back then i buy

0:16:32watch everything you remember the James

0:16:34Bond movies we're not a James Bond

0:16:35movies would be on you'd be like whoa

0:16:37that's that's weird like you never see

0:16:38that kind of weird thing in a movie but

0:16:40yeah told the James Bond movies were so

0:16:41full of those yeah so anyway I was

0:16:44really excited that's that's it was a

0:16:45very fond memory so thank you Joey's dad

0:16:47wherever you are nice memories all right

0:16:52let me take a break I gotta feed I gotta

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0:19:51friend Mike early says imagine that just

0:19:53suddenly at certain points during the

0:19:55day part of your house just

0:19:56you can get electric like that's what it

0:19:57feels like nowadays and this thing it

0:19:59works a treat and that the app is just

0:20:00terrific not Jackals it yeah really good

0:20:04stuff I just love I always hated the way

0:20:07with the other ones the old ones it was

0:20:09one of the reasons I like the Apple 1

0:20:11i'm everyone apple used to make stuff

0:20:12like this um I remember the other brand

0:20:14right they used to be Apple yeah uh but

0:20:17yeah other ones you used to like type in

0:20:19a web browser like a magic localhost web

0:20:24address and you'd get like the changes

0:20:2668 dot one dot one or dot one dot 100 we

0:20:29go in there and you could get into your

0:20:30linksys admin admin I used to have a

0:20:35list in NV alt of every default password

0:20:37so no matter where i was there was a

0:20:40pretty good chance like I get onto

0:20:41somebody's wife oh I was good i don't

0:20:49want to save it for the end i want to

0:20:50get this out of the way because it's

0:20:51important it's really it's why I got you

0:20:54on the horn to see if you could come on

0:20:55the show because i do feel i feel that

0:20:58the technology press in general but even

0:21:03in our circle where you know like i'd

0:21:06say in general people say that the tech

0:21:08industry a lot of people mean like but

0:21:11like a 30 mile circle or you know around

0:21:14san francisco and yeah its consumer

0:21:16devices and your services and your

0:21:18facebooks and the thing easy use to turn

0:21:20on your internet lights right but

0:21:21there's all sorts of other technology

0:21:23and its advancing at quick paces and the

0:21:25technology media doesn't cover it and

0:21:28here's a bit of it that I that I

0:21:30encountered this week I was watching

0:21:31some of the college basketball on TV and

0:21:35I saw a 15 second commercial from

0:21:38american standard you familiar with this

0:21:40company i am now yeah american standard

0:21:43is a maker of toilets and urinals and

0:21:47they probably peed on your feet on their

0:21:49logo like when you go to a ball game

0:21:50yeah we have a new technology called for

0:21:53max it's anti splatter flush technology

0:21:56now I'm going to put this I'm going to

0:21:59put this in the show notes I have swear

0:22:01to God I know it's a running joke that I

0:22:02often say i'm going to put something in

0:22:04the show notes this one's going in and

0:22:06i'm going to put it at the top of the

0:22:08list of links even if it's not that

0:22:09first thing we talked about so what I

0:22:11recommend for everybody listening is

0:22:13pause the show hit pause in your little

0:22:17podcast app go to the show notes and hit

0:22:19the first thing it'll be very clearly

0:22:20labeled american standard form ax anti

0:22:23splatter flush technology and watch this

0:22:26commercial it's 15 seconds so it's young

0:22:29you'll be back here before you know it I

0:22:31didn't I didn't realize it's clean you

0:22:41know she shameless it's clean shame on

0:22:43me I did not know what a problem this

0:22:45was until I watched this spotter I saw

0:22:50this commercial and the first thing I

0:22:52thought was what the hell did I just see

0:22:55and then the second thing I thought was

0:22:58I gotta get I gotta show this to Merlin

0:23:00hmm I've been reviewing their videos

0:23:05they have they have a couple like funny

0:23:07videos like this one that are very funny

0:23:09and they have some that are really

0:23:11straight that are actually very

0:23:13upsetting I really can't recommend

0:23:16because here's the thing John what a lot

0:23:18of people don't understand is there's a

0:23:20problem with splatter so I guess the

0:23:25problem with splatter is that your

0:23:27standard American low-flow toilet is not

0:23:29doing a good enough job of sluicing

0:23:31daddy splatter away in a way that's

0:23:33accessible mom it's taken away it's

0:23:36taking away the the bulk the bulk the

0:23:39book yeah right mmm it shows the book

0:23:42but misses the splatter it's taken away

0:23:45the bulk it's taken away the yellow

0:23:46right how many times has this happened

0:23:48to you right with the splatter yeah no

0:23:53no I mean Sam saying it's like an

0:23:54infomercial now in some of the other

0:23:56ones they illustrate how effectively

0:23:59splatter is removed in one case I think

0:24:01they like show you how to flush

0:24:02ping-pong balls down your toilet but

0:24:04there's one I really do not recommend

0:24:06watching where they simulate splatter in

0:24:09a toilet with what I'm hoping is fudge

0:24:12Oh No there's master there's matter in

0:24:16there you got you got yet it's like I'm

0:24:18sure you got it's like somebody put

0:24:21three dollars of Nutella it's like a

0:24:23flight of new

0:24:23hella across the back and then at the

0:24:25bottom you got some kind of straw matter

0:24:27i'm not sure what it is the boy just

0:24:29cleans it right out the spider just

0:24:30sluices right away all right in the

0:24:33commercial that I'm talking about I feel

0:24:34that every single aspect of this

0:24:36commercial is worth analyzing so number

0:24:38one it's so it starts very well done

0:24:40still tight it starts with a bow

0:24:43splattering ketchup on his on his polo

0:24:46shirt now he seems he seems a bit of a

0:24:49doddering fool I I'm really it's a cut

0:24:52to retiree enjoying an outdoor meal

0:24:54together and he's gonna put some cats

0:24:55upon his wiener I feel is it a good

0:24:57shake I feel it's one of these I feel

0:25:00it's one of these couples though where

0:25:01where huh bo is is in decline and wifey

0:25:06is short still sharp its attack and she

0:25:08suck starting to get a little a lot of a

0:25:10little sick of us shit literally oh yeah

0:25:13yeah no no oh I see what you're saying

0:25:17how things are declining yeah oh god yes

0:25:20maybe she could tell the hot dogs so

0:25:23here's how I read it I read this story

0:25:24as as uh bo is in decline and he's

0:25:30splattering all over the toilet and the

0:25:33wife is so sick of of this mess that

0:25:35she's taking it into her own hands she's

0:25:38done a mark oh and she's done a

0:25:39deep-dive on toilets this is her

0:25:42headphones right this is her headphones

0:25:43and she's she is now completely up to

0:25:46speed on modern flushing technology and

0:25:49has replaced the toilet and it at least

0:25:51in you know maybe all of them probably

0:25:53they look well off so she could maybe

0:25:54just you know come in and just get all

0:25:56he can afford a toilet on their patio so

0:25:58we haven't even gotten to that yet like

0:26:04that's but what out here just to gaze he

0:26:06can't make it inside no what's this

0:26:08second charge for 259 oh she's had it

0:26:17with splatter and she addresses the

0:26:19audience all right it's illustrated with

0:26:22with the blue material a pleasant blue

0:26:25material which rings a bell from some

0:26:27feminine hygiene product commercials

0:26:29I've seen seen over the years oh right

0:26:32it always absorbs blue right there's

0:26:34going blue is the universal seems to be

0:26:37the unit

0:26:37persol color for what are otherwise

0:26:40considered unpleasant bodily emissions

0:26:44nothing we emit is blue blue does seem

0:26:47to be a nice color and so if you want to

0:26:49illustrate the absorbency of say a

0:26:54tampon or a feminine napkin or a

0:26:58splatter on a toilet you use you use

0:27:01blue mm-hmm you know now I'm just

0:27:08scrubbing a little bit here they have a

0:27:11toilet on their deck just sitting there

0:27:15it bothers me a little bit it's headed

0:27:18tilted angle it's not quite squared up

0:27:20aligned with the decks of the the planks

0:27:23ago that would that would drive down

0:27:24weed drive cable crazy yeah that

0:27:25misalignment like who installed that why

0:27:29what's the deal yeah get a nice oiled

0:27:33like this you know I think you want to

0:27:34invest in it in a proper yeah I mean

0:27:37this is it's it's hard this is a little

0:27:39bit like like a Marquez commercial I

0:27:41think it's a little bit magically real

0:27:42yeah yeah a lot I realized that I do

0:27:46realize all all joking aside I realized

0:27:48that we're not meant to assume that they

0:27:51that this is depicting a couple who

0:27:53literally put a open-air toilet on their

0:27:56deck yeah I realized that they're taking

0:27:58shortcuts for the sake of brevity in

0:28:02that style that was sort of maybe

0:28:05epitomized by um i forget i don't know i

0:28:10don't know what i'm talking about but

0:28:12you know a sort of absurdist style oh

0:28:14yes come on yes um even you go back to

0:28:17the days of the tidy Bowl man tidy Bowl

0:28:19man got a little Commodore and your

0:28:21toads yeah he swam around in there he

0:28:23lived in there he look he looks pretty

0:28:24happy in there yeah even though even

0:28:26though when there was whether it was not

0:28:29good whoa that's the forecast captain

0:28:33splatter splatter mm all right i think

0:28:40the commercial is notable even without

0:28:43the capper yeah but the capper

0:28:47hmm really I I swear I almost had a

0:28:52stroke when the woman's head popped out

0:28:54of the toilet woman's head pops out of

0:28:56the trailer she says it's clean she

0:28:57announces its clean and this is a light

0:29:00motif now if you watch the one called

0:29:02clinger you see clinger no i did not see

0:29:04Cole click over there on the right go to

0:29:06go to american standard form ax toilet

0:29:08go to clinger take a minute enjoy that

0:29:10one all right all right yep mm-hmm and

0:29:24there's a third one called skid marks

0:29:26were you aware of how insufficient the

0:29:33flushing technology is in your toilets

0:29:35in your house when we get to the

0:29:37analysis phase of this I have I do have

0:29:39a lot of thoughts on this but I know I

0:29:42have to be honest with you barring let's

0:29:44say the bathroom at a cinema or a sports

0:29:47event I do not encounter these problems

0:29:50as much and we've got a pretty low flow

0:29:52old-school toilet dingus maybe we're

0:29:58just lucky you know maybe it's the

0:29:59probiotics I don't know something you

0:30:01working for us pounce I'm blessed oui

0:30:03oui but there's so much to it cuz like

0:30:07you know part of it is also it implies

0:30:09not only that this guy causes splatter

0:30:12but he doesn't notice it and doesn't

0:30:14like give a second you know back up

0:30:16flush the old guy yeah right yeah how

0:30:19about if I if I went in and let's be

0:30:21honest we all ruin a bathroom sometimes

0:30:23it happens it's part of being an adult

0:30:24if I went in there and really shamed if

0:30:27i shamed the bathroom I would want to do

0:30:29a little bit of cleanup maybe light a

0:30:30match to shoot a little bit of a little

0:30:32bit of glade right but I would most

0:30:34definitely do do a visual inspection of

0:30:37the bowl right for a skid mark or a

0:30:40spotter or if you like a clinger give

0:30:42the toilet a chance to catch its breath

0:30:44refill the bowl right

0:30:47a second chance yeah like a full flush

0:30:49though you know what I mean like if you

0:30:50don't wait if you don't wait you kind of

0:30:52get like a you get a Wimpy flush you

0:30:54know I mean it's you gotta catch your

0:30:56breath it's like the flush is like 100

0:30:57yard dash if you want it to run another

0:31:00hundred yard dash you got to give it a

0:31:01chance to catch its breath if you tell

0:31:02going which this is a chance for you to

0:31:04you could wash your hands you could look

0:31:05at your phone you go through somebody's

0:31:06medicine cabinet could definitely should

0:31:09be washing your hands right is this too

0:31:13gross John no I mean this is obviously

0:31:16this is a real problem this is uh you

0:31:18know yeah I don't know I my guess is

0:31:22that they started with here's a

0:31:25complaint I do here is you know the

0:31:27whole low flow problem of like the

0:31:29modern house you get a low-flow shower

0:31:31that's not satisfying you get a toilet

0:31:34that requires like six flushes people

0:31:37get frustrated about that what's

0:31:39interesting about this though is like

0:31:40also if you watch there if one more the

0:31:43sort of person to watch many videos from

0:31:45this company about how the toilets are

0:31:47made if you wore that sort of person you

0:31:49see they're really also playing up how

0:31:51easy it is to clean they've done

0:31:53something revolutionary with the outer

0:31:54rim so you don't get germs and matter on

0:31:58the outside no you know I I think one

0:32:02thing though I think that when

0:32:03middle-class white people are upgrading

0:32:07I think the kitchens kitchens are one

0:32:09people put a lot of money in their

0:32:10kitchens and I think people really like

0:32:13putting money into their bathroom yeah

0:32:15don't you think oh I do too i think it's

0:32:18it's it's a very modern way of upgrading

0:32:23your house i mean when you and I were

0:32:25kids I mean your bathroom was I mean not

0:32:28that they wouldn't you know it simply is

0:32:30it cleaner is it not clean and that

0:32:32meant it was a nice bathroom or not a

0:32:33nice bathroom and that was it but like

0:32:35it just it was like everybody had the

0:32:37same sink it was just it's just a white

0:32:39rectangle yeah my grandparents second in

0:32:42their half bath had a wooden toilet seat

0:32:44I'll never forget harrowing and the only

0:32:48real the only real option was whether

0:32:50you got the you got to two faucets hot

0:32:55and a cold or if you had one and you

0:32:58kind of you know stir it around like a

0:33:00joystick to adjust the temperature

0:33:01and that was it you didn't have any

0:33:02other choices it all came out of the

0:33:04same spigot and now it's you know people

0:33:06yeah people are getting deluxe toilets

0:33:09european-style toilets when you get a

0:33:11todo on there yeah that's a popular

0:33:13that's a popular thing I'm not familiar

0:33:15what is what is that Oh toto it's a it's

0:33:17like an aftermarket bday ah there I've

0:33:20seen its it squirts squirts hot water

0:33:22onto your downstairs yeah well that

0:33:25sounds better than it sounds first you

0:33:27scoff and then pretty soon you're ready

0:33:29to give it a ring it's quite a it's

0:33:32quite a thing yeah well cut cock tease

0:33:35been on this for years I must be too

0:33:37might even be 10 years ago rakaat Keef

0:33:39you know broke the barrier let's let's

0:33:41talk about this stuff would you you know

0:33:43would you clean let's just say like well

0:33:46there's a fine example from the earlier

0:33:49commercial let's say that a member of

0:33:52your family ate a hot dog with ketchup

0:33:54on it on your plate would you wash that

0:33:57plate with a dry paper towel yank you

0:34:00better give it a quick swipe and then

0:34:01just put it back in the cab of dry paper

0:34:02towel and then put that in the couch on

0:34:04other other countries think that we are

0:34:06monstrous well I think that date well

0:34:09you know what save it God might have

0:34:14been a canary in the coal mine actually

0:34:15do you think about it they might have

0:34:18been on something I sent you to this

0:34:20page on the form ax toilet technology

0:34:23site boy they got trademarks on

0:34:25everything yeah so you checked out the

0:34:28the various different models they got

0:34:29white label versions of this toilet you

0:34:31know a different place to take at the

0:34:32Heritage they got the astute the esteem

0:34:35and optum they in the Ultima they seem

0:34:38to all be the same toilet they look

0:34:40exactly the same and there's but there's

0:34:43a different name for the one at lowe's

0:34:45and a different name for the one at home

0:34:47depot see it's like my mattress is

0:34:49exactly the rack addresses yeah the

0:34:51esteem mmm exclusively at Lowe's you

0:34:56know what I'll bet somebody's going to

0:34:57come along and disrupt the toilet

0:34:59industry and i'll be i'll be selling

0:35:01toilets on this podcast within a year I

0:35:03think you might be on to something you

0:35:05think about you think about the

0:35:07disruptions in industry you can have

0:35:09silver Underpants you could get you get

0:35:11yourself an internet mattress all right

0:35:13there's so many of these new

0:35:15kinds of services you could get like a

0:35:17box full of socks internet eyeglasses

0:35:19internet I glass is huge but there still

0:35:22is still a big a big Pole if you like

0:35:24waiters waiting to be filled with

0:35:26internet toilets so what would that be

0:35:30now what are you going to be the first

0:35:31of all it's got to be affordable it's

0:35:32got to come an impossibly small box and

0:35:35engineered in America it'll be in the

0:35:38toilet arrives you can carry up the

0:35:39stairs by yourself you slit open the

0:35:43package it goes and in the toilet comes

0:35:46to life it's probably Wi-Fi enabled it's

0:35:48got push notifications if you know what

0:35:49I mean you know what know why fight you

0:35:50probably get it on the Wi-Fi first and

0:35:52it it hmm I was gonna suggest he'll get

0:35:56up to your ear oh yeah I was going to

0:35:58suggest that it have a camera but that's

0:35:59not right I'm here so how I think it

0:36:01would because you don't want a camera on

0:36:02the toilet I'm gonna say when it comes

0:36:04with an app that you put on your phone

0:36:07and then it can use your phone camera

0:36:08and you just point it at your old toilet

0:36:11and it it it'll do like a okay here's

0:36:13the water hookup and whatever and then

0:36:16oh right it'll just install itself yeah

0:36:19I got you know I wouldn't I wouldn't say

0:36:22it's not going to happen because people

0:36:24people are interested in technology

0:36:25there are things in my home right now

0:36:27that are unnecessarily complex technical

0:36:30technological products I could never

0:36:32have imagined owning like existing let

0:36:37alone owning ten years ago yeah you know

0:36:40you know and a lot of things start out

0:36:42as jokes and everybody thinks it's a

0:36:44joke and then it becomes you know

0:36:46becomes a real thing you know like some

0:36:48of the gags in back to the future when

0:36:50they went into the future you know and

0:36:52now yeah you know you've got these

0:36:53things you know like the hoverboards and

0:36:55whatnot you we laugh about it but you

0:36:58wait and see you wait and see if these

0:37:00internet toilets if they won't let you

0:37:01take one right out on the deck hello

0:37:06wheels on it and you can just lock it'll

0:37:09detect when you sit down and then to

0:37:11lock the wheels so you're not sliding

0:37:12around while you're while you're doing

0:37:14your business I think it have to slide

0:37:15unlock because you don't want everybody

0:37:20just using your patio toilet right right

0:37:23I mean save something for me yeah it's

0:37:27funny like we'd mentioned you know for

0:37:28example we might want to talk

0:37:29voice stuff that that voice stuff to me

0:37:31is just one example of many things where

0:37:33like it is funny where we are right now

0:37:35with voice and I have to admit I'm a

0:37:37little bit obsessed with voice stuff and

0:37:38what it portends for the future for

0:37:42worse or mostly better in my opinion but

0:37:44it is very interesting to live at this

0:37:45time where you can kind of have your

0:37:46feet in these these two different sides

0:37:48of the creek or on the one hand it is

0:37:50incredible what you can do with your

0:37:51voice but it is also incredible how

0:37:53terrible it is so much of the time we

0:37:55are really we are living through a very

0:37:57interesting transition now something

0:37:59like Wi-Fi I was just think about this

0:38:00the other day like I'm trying to

0:38:01remember when I first had exposure to

0:38:03Wi-Fi and I think I remember becoming a

0:38:06biggie a big deal around the time i

0:38:08first went to the etek the emerging

0:38:09technology conference would make that

0:38:11probably 2002 and there's the no cat

0:38:14guys and was such a big deal and I had

0:38:15like I think an Orinoco card for my wall

0:38:17street laptop you know stuck outside

0:38:19could get the impossibly slow and that

0:38:23seemed like it seemed like a parlor

0:38:24trick like why don't you just want to

0:38:26just plug in ethernet John right like

0:38:28what are you supply an ethernet for this

0:38:29thing it's like well no no there's this

0:38:30new thing and it's even get your

0:38:32internet through the air and my first

0:38:34experience with that had been on a palm

0:38:367 I think would be my first like really

0:38:39like kind of connected device I think

0:38:40number at palm 7 it was huge and had

0:38:43that big-ass antenna yeah I was about to

0:38:45say is that the one with the big game

0:38:46tenant like a cigar a cigar denied ever

0:38:49antenna coming out the side or the time

0:38:51and it was if memory serves it was very

0:38:54costly very slow very limited it was

0:38:57essentially like you know whap style

0:38:59functionality but it was on your ass on

0:39:01your palm pilot I well so it seemed

0:39:03amazing it was a breakthrough though

0:39:05because laptops in general were a

0:39:07premium computing device they were far

0:39:09more expensive than the equivalent

0:39:11horsepower was a rich man's device a

0:39:13rich trance device but really all it was

0:39:15effectively was a way to move your

0:39:18computing and it the big advantage to it

0:39:22was that the cloud was no we're back

0:39:23then we didn't even have clouds we don't

0:39:26have clouds so if you wanted your stuff

0:39:28in two different places like work and

0:39:32home or you know work and a road trip

0:39:37you needed to take the device with you

0:39:39but you would just move from one like

0:39:42work stay

0:39:43Shin set up desk to another where you

0:39:45already had things like an Ethernet jack

0:39:49ready to go like you couldn't yeah

0:39:51anywhere using apps it was a big deal

0:39:53when you first got these like fairly

0:39:55they're nerdy but it was like basically

0:39:57a GUI to like our Sangha where you go

0:40:00like put them on the same network and

0:40:01say okay these two folders make sure

0:40:02they match like that's pretty much the

0:40:04extent of it but the idea that you could

0:40:06just you know move from the kitchen

0:40:10counter to the kitchen table and no

0:40:12longer be within arm's length of the

0:40:15wall where the Ethernet port is was

0:40:18ludicrous and last you were going to do

0:40:20something like just you know whatever

0:40:22you do with the computer when it's not

0:40:24connected to an Internet that seems so

0:40:27strange now right yeah yeah um I think

0:40:32the voice stuff it is it's it's early

0:40:35days but early days in a far less

0:40:38technical way than the computers the

0:40:41text based computers of our youth but

0:40:43there's an analogy there right and

0:40:45obviously the technology that's involved

0:40:48to just have the most rudimentary yo

0:40:52dingus what's the weather and have a

0:40:54thing that within however many seconds

0:40:57it is to recognize the speech and turn

0:41:00it into a command and then go out and

0:41:02get weather data for the location that

0:41:04you're at is obviously it would have

0:41:07taken like a TI 99 for a like it would

0:41:10if it either say you had a perfectly

0:41:12working program that could do that for

0:41:13that program it would still be running

0:41:15right now like 37 years later still not

0:41:20quite done yet so there's a total

0:41:24difference in terms of the just like

0:41:28just pure bits per second of computation

0:41:31that's involved to get it but there's

0:41:32some similarities in the crudeness of of

0:41:37how these things work in a way that like

0:41:40a command line environment you've got to

0:41:43know the exact right command to delete a

0:41:45file right if you're on my boss you have

0:41:47to type del wasn't it del for delete del

0:41:50space filename and on unix it was RM you

0:41:53couldn't just type trash this file you

0:41:55right merit and it's the same way with

0:41:58voice you've got to know these you know

0:41:59you gotta say there are door especially

0:42:01the thing is what you um such a common

0:42:04theme that comes up again and again or

0:42:06are these trade-offs they were just

0:42:07talking about this on ATP like they

0:42:09always do but you know the kind of

0:42:10trade-offs where for example if you want

0:42:12your air pause to do more stuff will be

0:42:14careful what you ask for because they

0:42:16are they're very streamlined right now

0:42:18they're good at this thing that they do

0:42:19mostly yeah i mean i wish like the serie

0:42:22on air pods is pretty slow yeah it's too

0:42:27slow like I yeah it's not mean and I

0:42:29guess we'll talk more about this but I I

0:42:31have been really just to you know one

0:42:33thing I've been doing is I mentioned

0:42:35this on other programs but I've been

0:42:36making myself from Friday evening

0:42:38through as much as possible of Saturday

0:42:40I've been trying to set myself to using

0:42:42voice for everything that I can in lieu

0:42:44of other things and if I can't yeah go

0:42:46use the computer or whatever but like

0:42:48try to be mindful for about a one day a

0:42:50week of trying to figure out more stuff

0:42:52that I can and possibly should do with

0:42:54voice and it has been very illuminating

0:42:56I mean not least of which you learn how

0:42:59much stuff is really not ready yet but

0:43:01there's a surprising amount of stuff and

0:43:03I mean the MacGuffin here is that you

0:43:05know by making yourself do this and

0:43:06being mindful about it just for this

0:43:08period of time you know you remember to

0:43:11try stuff more and if you try it and it

0:43:13doesn't work you might say well then

0:43:15what's the incantation right so like

0:43:17with you know as far as these trailer so

0:43:18just to get dial that's one reason I'm

0:43:19so obsessed but with Alexa good sorry

0:43:24with the lady in a tube I get an email

0:43:28every friday from amazon it's like well

0:43:31here's this new stuff that it does and

0:43:33it's you know frequently as stuff like

0:43:34hey i asked about cricket or whatever

0:43:36but then other times if there is really

0:43:37legitimately a pretty amazing stuff to

0:43:40enable a lot of that you got to get into

0:43:42skills and once you get into skills now

0:43:43you're getting more into what you're

0:43:44describing as being with the command

0:43:46line because you go from just being able

0:43:48to issue a raw command to basically

0:43:50hailing a skill inside and then knowing

0:43:53what the mojo is inside of there but

0:43:54honestly it's not it's not that that

0:43:57difficult all right this morning I see

0:44:00via friend Joe steel I see now you can

0:44:03if you have prime now available in your

0:44:05area you can order prime now over your

0:44:08lady in a tube

0:44:09so like I just I talked to my tube this

0:44:11morning I said hey tube reorder cat

0:44:14litter it said okay here's this recent

0:44:16thing in your order for cat litter is

0:44:18that the one you want yeah okay that's

0:44:19not enough money do you want to add

0:44:20anything else to it yeah sure add that

0:44:22so I don't know I ie I guess I just feel

0:44:26like in order in order to like sort of

0:44:28I'd say keep up but to really have some

0:44:31kind of a foothold and where stuff is

0:44:33going you know I can understand why

0:44:34people are reluctant to use this stuff

0:44:36for so so many reasons but I really kind

0:44:39of feel like if you want to be somewhat

0:44:42forward-looking and modern about what's

0:44:45happening you really can't afford to

0:44:47totally overlooked this and write it off

0:44:48as silly Buck Rogers stuff it's getting

0:44:51better at a noticeable clip and it's it

0:44:56still is terrible but yeah right but

0:45:00when something and computing is terrible

0:45:02but you can see it getting better if you

0:45:04just pay attention month to month you

0:45:06know it's going to get good soon and if

0:45:08you're you're going to miss out on all

0:45:09the it's all the interesting stuff is

0:45:12going to happen between now and then

0:45:13like once it's good and everybody takes

0:45:16it for granted it's no longer

0:45:17interesting right everything seems

0:45:20impossible or dumb until it's something

0:45:21you're using every day and you go we'll

0:45:22of course that's that's always been how

0:45:24we how it is all right you noticed last

0:45:26night I think were you on that thread

0:45:27last night where somebody mentioned that

0:45:28suddenly out of nowhere was it Michael

0:45:31yeah I think it was my son our friend of

0:45:33the show Michael Heilmann well and he

0:45:35points something out that like is

0:45:36definitely like a known problem that has

0:45:39suddenly been fixed other people like no

0:45:41it's always been this way in my house

0:45:43you goes in my house if you say hey

0:45:46dingus but like it's like five different

0:45:49things light up right so if I say hey

0:45:51dingus so here's here's the thing that I

0:45:53say most to a dingus all the time hey

0:45:55dingus remind me to take out the pasta

0:45:58in eight minutes hmm but whip up and

0:46:00suddenly oh there's all these Scottish

0:46:02ladies talking all at the same time like

0:46:03trying to remind me about pasta

0:46:05apparently they just pulled in Amazon

0:46:06echo and they seem to be using what

0:46:10proximity because I tested it last night

0:46:12and it it works in a way like it's not

0:46:15doing firing multiple devices anymore

0:46:17its fires multiple devices does you see

0:46:19a blank on the screen but only lost one

0:46:21says I got it in hand

0:46:22that's exactly right so now finally my

0:46:24stupid watch is like slightly usable cuz

0:46:27I'll be two rooms away from any other

0:46:29iOS device screaming into my watch to

0:46:31please hear me it never hears me and in

0:46:34the other room you're like I want a San

0:46:36Francisco is like ah but that's that

0:46:40kind of advancement I mean that sounds

0:46:41subtle sounds dumb but like that kind of

0:46:44stuff you're right it's happening faster

0:46:45dictation continues to be getting so

0:46:48much better now a used to never send

0:46:50texts that way I mean once you learn the

0:46:52incantation of hey dingus and tell john

0:46:56gruber kiss my house like once you learn

0:46:58the incantation of how to do that it

0:46:59really does kind of just work I don't

0:47:02understand how this is working node like

0:47:03here's one chase gallagher jumped in to

0:47:06the Twitter thread and said it's not

0:47:07just I cloud-connected his work phone

0:47:10and personal phone are not linked in any

0:47:12way and only one will trigger I don't

0:47:14understand how that's working I guess

0:47:18like I should try it with I haven't

0:47:20experimented with this because this is

0:47:22like you said it is something that Apple

0:47:23obviously improved but yeah it's got it

0:47:26has to have been I'm gonna stay on the

0:47:27outside within the last two weeks I'm

0:47:29feeling like within the last few days

0:47:30very new like I should put like like me

0:47:34and my wife's iPhones right next to each

0:47:36other and see how this works and how it

0:47:38decides which one to use fast you have

0:47:40multiple do multiple amazon dinguses no

0:47:43just one amazon dingus well we are i

0:47:45have to admit a multiple dingus house

0:47:46and Amazon's had this for I don't know

0:47:49month or more and it really it works

0:47:51unevenly but well yeah meaning like if

0:47:56I'm an earshot of three different ladies

0:47:59in a tube I can see the ring the blue

0:48:02ring fires off you know that's a cool

0:48:04thing where you can see where it thinks

0:48:05The Voice is coming from so yeah

0:48:06something fires off joe jonas pointed

0:48:09that out to me and then once I only

0:48:10figured this out like two months ago

0:48:11that it's saying here's where I think

0:48:14the voices it's pointing at you yeah but

0:48:16I could see two or three different

0:48:17dinguses fire off its kind of uneven

0:48:19which one ends up doing the execution

0:48:22but it it doesn't it will not execute

0:48:25more than one at a time but I don't know

0:48:30if this is something that again they

0:48:31talked about the Sun ATP recently and I

0:48:33was totally in Syracuse's corner over

0:48:34saying like it's hard

0:48:36describe this until you really do start

0:48:38using it it's very very abstract until

0:48:41you kind of set yourself to the task of

0:48:42doing this you become less

0:48:43self-conscious about it you try more

0:48:45things you do more stuff and so if I'm

0:48:48forever just walking around adding

0:48:49things to like a shopping list to wear

0:48:51now I feel like a monster having to sit

0:48:53down and type that it feels really silly

0:48:54i use ifttt to sync up my amazon lists

0:48:58with my reminders so do you do that no

0:49:00it's pretty cool we just go die FTT and

0:49:02you basically say when a new on when a

0:49:04new item is added to my amazon shopping

0:49:07list add that to this reminders list and

0:49:09in what anything I mean like the iOS

0:49:11reminders app or not the Apple reminders

0:49:14Apple yeah exactly yeah that's actually

0:49:17pretty powerful so that and then if

0:49:19you're a super nerd you know you don't

0:49:21have to be like Federico vtg level nerd

0:49:23but you can also do stuff like then say

0:49:25like hook you can hook that up with for

0:49:27example OmniFocus right so when you add

0:49:29something to that list the next time you

0:49:30open OmniFocus tits it sucks it out of

0:49:32that list or you know to do a store

0:49:34whatever you like to use but yeah I

0:49:36don't know I don't know I hits I have

0:49:39this I have this theory about this that

0:49:42I have yet to prove and I haven't given

0:49:45it that much thought but somebody

0:49:47written into back to work to ask us

0:49:48about like oh god is this the future is

0:49:50the future going to be like people in my

0:49:51office talking into Excel and I was like

0:49:53my I know I I kind of don't think it is

0:49:56because I kind of feel like there's

0:49:58these parts to the voice thing that you

0:50:01don't get if all you see is somebody

0:50:02being a dingus and talking into the air

0:50:04the voice is one part the voice yeah

0:50:07that's the parlor trick but it's but

0:50:09what's behind the voice right it's that

0:50:11I don't know what you want to call it

0:50:13the functionality the scripting in some

0:50:16cases the AI or machine learning

0:50:17whatever it is but that middle layer of

0:50:19what it does with what heard if it heard

0:50:20it well what it does with that that's

0:50:23maybe the important part and then the

0:50:25third part is the ubiquity so I mean I

0:50:27have this idea that I'm kind of bubbling

0:50:30around which is that I wonder if voice

0:50:31ends up historically being the least

0:50:34important part of that stack voice voice

0:50:36is the parlor trick that's fun to use

0:50:38but I think that you the idea of that

0:50:40kind of ubiquitous availability first

0:50:44did you follow where I'm going with this

0:50:45like I don't think you're gonna have to

0:50:47talk into Excel i think that there's

0:50:49been more

0:50:49more bespoke remote devices that do your

0:50:52bidding without you needing to know how

0:50:54to do our M dash are all right hold that

0:50:56thought hold that thought because I want

0:50:57to keep going with this but i want to i

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0:53:32because you if you need glasses you

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0:53:36sunglasses you know these guys have

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0:53:43right down the street from like the

0:53:45apple store like you know like the

0:53:46premium model district right I think

0:53:50maybe arguably literally within a

0:53:51stone's throw of the apple store there

0:53:53so that there's a Warby Parker you can

0:53:55go into i have i've walked down either

0:53:56you could ever get a toilets they send

0:53:59you four or five toilets to your house

0:54:00you try them out you send back the ones

0:54:01you don't want they might do that they

0:54:02might might be why they got the retail

0:54:04space you know i mean so you can you

0:54:06know go in there and have a seat try try

0:54:08it out for yourself yeah so I everything

0:54:10like we used to could we just got the

0:54:12apple store to check their email right

0:54:14now maybe you go in there athena test

0:54:16out the merchandise here's my theory on

0:54:18the voice uh computers have conquered

0:54:22tasks that the interfaces that have been

0:54:24available have been acceptable to a

0:54:27useful for so we did spreadsheets and

0:54:30word processing first because at at the

0:54:33very earliest years of computing the

0:54:35only thing we really had were literally

0:54:38we only had text-based displays and we

0:54:40had keyboards and those are two things

0:54:42that that with nothing but a text based

0:54:44display and a keyboard they were

0:54:46actually way better than what came

0:54:48before it right but you could do things

0:54:50like you put all these numbers into your

0:54:52spreadsheet and get an answer for what

0:54:55your budget would be and then you know

0:54:56somebody says well what if instead of

0:54:58ten percent growth we only have five

0:55:00percent growth what happens all of a

0:55:02sudden you say so you start with an

0:55:03electronic it's an electronic analog for

0:55:05something in the physical world but with

0:55:06this added functionality it what

0:55:08computers have always been good at is it

0:55:10when they I take off is doing things

0:55:12that that used to be mundane and make

0:55:15saving us tons of time and you have that

0:55:17you know it's even a relatively simple

0:55:19spreadsheet in pre spreadsheet days if

0:55:22somebody said let's say what happens if

0:55:23we only have five percent growth instead

0:55:25of ten percent growth but that number

0:55:26percolates down to 20 different things

0:55:29beneath it it takes two seconds in a

0:55:32spreadsheet to make that change and it

0:55:34would take a couple of minutes of math

0:55:35error prone hand arithmetic it you know

0:55:39previously word processing word

0:55:41processing let people who were writing

0:55:43documents make changes without bringing

0:55:45whiteout and making a mess of the paper

0:55:48and significant changes like moving

0:55:51paragraphs around or deleting entire

0:55:53chunks without retyping like I would

0:55:57probably I think there's a good chance

0:55:58that if I had been born fifty years

0:56:00earlier I still would have been a writer

0:56:01of some sort but I I would have been an

0:56:04angry writer because I think I always

0:56:07would be angry at the rewriting in high

0:56:09school I used to have to do it I had a

0:56:10typewriter in high school I didn't have

0:56:11a computer so we had there was a there's

0:56:14a one of the history teachers in my

0:56:15college was infamous for always she's

0:56:18very very tough to read or very tough

0:56:19critic tough teacher and she would

0:56:21invariably send back people's papers

0:56:23everybody's got their paper sent back

0:56:25and I had he had to make changes on it

0:56:27and she would you know mark it up and

0:56:28you'd have to retype any page that had

0:56:30more than three corrections on it you

0:56:31would have to read redo the page so you

0:56:33gotta retype that beige and it was a big

0:56:36correction guess what your retyping at

0:56:37least two paper because it would

0:56:38overflow right exactly yeah I mean and

0:56:41that's a radical change if you really

0:56:43think about I know that there's

0:56:43youngsters out there who've never had to

0:56:45do this and you think oh that sounds bad

0:56:46but it was it was in practice it was

0:56:48worse it was worse than you're imagining

0:56:50because it really just felt like

0:56:51busywork and that's what computers have

0:56:53been good at but I feel like for things

0:56:55like Excel we don't there's no need for

0:56:57voice for that we ought you know the

0:56:58existing input methods are better i

0:57:00think the voice stuff totally agree the

0:57:03voice stuff is entirely for stuff where

0:57:05voice is a better a better interface

0:57:07than then keyboard you know typing or

0:57:12something like that well my response to

0:57:16that listener i did one of those turns

0:57:18out knock on Gladwell things because i

0:57:19was like oh first of all you know i

0:57:20don't think i don't think that is the

0:57:22best way to interact but the bigger

0:57:23question now I got my futurist had on

0:57:25the bigger question is how many of us

0:57:27will have jobs where we use Excel into

0:57:28like that that's you know if you're

0:57:31really thinking about this stuff nothing

0:57:33I'm any scholar on this but that's let's

0:57:35think bigger than where we are now we've

0:57:37got to quit thinking about things as

0:57:38slighted iterations on what we're

0:57:40willing to admit has changed about what

0:57:42we understand and start looking instead

0:57:44it like what is the trend line for this

0:57:45and and we know where does that end up

0:57:48amidst all these other kinds of things

0:57:50but so so how much do you use voice

0:57:54day-to-day now I use it frequently but I

0:57:57use it for the same handful of things

0:57:59over and over and over and over again

0:58:01are you a dictator I do i do dictate so

0:58:05if that i think that should count so i

0:58:07definitely dictate like I messages I

0:58:12absolutely do because it's it's I can

0:58:15dictate faster than I can type and it's

0:58:18active in more than a sentence if you're

0:58:19typing more than two sentences just put

0:58:21a clock on it it'll blow your mind even

0:58:23accounting for the time to fix small

0:58:25errors it's so much faster than typing

0:58:27and for the most part of the people who

0:58:31i'm texting it said you know again a

0:58:33handful of people you it's either my

0:58:36wife my son or a close personal friend

0:58:40and if it makes a homonym error I often

0:58:47will just let it slide because I think

0:58:49it's funny you know if you know if I say

0:58:52it's AI don't know that the the produce

0:58:54selection is a real Horror Show and it

0:58:57comes out it comes out with horror or a

0:58:59horse show I was or something like what

0:59:02I'll look the truth is like on my iPad

0:59:05I've got these the small iPad pro and

0:59:08the truth is dictation on there

0:59:11especially on Wi-Fi for certain kinds of

0:59:14things like you know paragraph link

0:59:15things like you know i would i would

0:59:16challenge people to actually try this

0:59:18because here's the thing for me if i'm

0:59:19laying in bed like an animal typing with

0:59:21my thumbs i will very frequently be

0:59:23doing stuff like hitting the comma and

0:59:24breaking this word in half for some dumb

0:59:26reason or i meant to hit i meant to hit

0:59:29a and i hit capital like there's these

0:59:31same three or four typing mistakes I

0:59:32make constantly on devices and you don't

0:59:35get that instead you get funny funny

0:59:37homonyms but so dictation do you do a

0:59:40lot of like little task do you remind

0:59:42do you do setting meetings and stuff

0:59:44like that no not calendar but I have a

0:59:46lot of meetings but I'll do reminder

0:59:48sing I'll say you know add such and such

0:59:50to my shopping list I feel like on with

0:59:54the iOS voice function coffee the I'm

0:59:59trying to avoid triggering

0:59:59trying to avoid triggering

1:00:00thanks um that I think that's the

1:00:01gateway drug you what is the is like hey

1:00:04dingus remind me to bring up the laundry

1:00:08when I arrived at the house in two hours

1:00:11right because there's a lot to that I

1:00:13mean you do get a reminder it's on your

1:00:15reminder list that's good by itself

1:00:16it'll go off in two hours no matter what

1:00:19but like if you're in the Geo fenced

1:00:21area earlier it goes off as well I don't

1:00:23know how many people know that and it's

1:00:25really as simple as saying that thing if

1:00:26you want to get started with your iphone

1:00:28in particular I think that's that's a

1:00:30pretty good place to start not great for

1:00:32controlling music on air pots I've got

1:00:34to say but a good way to you know get

1:00:36you started well I think it would be if

1:00:38the latency word were solved it's it's

1:00:41too much of if there's too much of a

1:00:42pause between when you double tap the

1:00:44air pod and when the assistant kicks in

1:00:47it's my fantasy for the air pods is it

1:00:51gets something like I know this is

1:00:52impossible at this point but that on one

1:00:55side there's something like I know this

1:00:58sounds crazy but there's something like

1:00:59a impossibly small touchpad that's you

1:01:04know like the size of you know half

1:01:07centimeter but something that you could

1:01:09press on that you could tap or push and

1:01:11it has a little bit of slide ability so

1:01:14you could like for example I know that's

1:01:16nuts but it'd be pretty cool if you

1:01:17could hit that dingus tap it twice you

1:01:19get Siri you hit it once for example and

1:01:22if you slide backwards or forwards it

1:01:24would be volume like something like that

1:01:26would be dynamite but probably out of

1:01:28scope at that price yeah I love my air

1:01:31putts I really do I brave about I it's

1:01:33my favorite new apple thing in a long

1:01:35time if i didn't knew so much more than

1:01:38I expect I do too I expected to like

1:01:40them but I actually love them and but I

1:01:43fully acknowledged that part and parcel

1:01:45of using them is the fact that there are

1:01:47certain things that the old ten-dollar

1:01:49wired well I know apple sold them for

1:01:50twenty nine dollars but you know the old

1:01:52killed right included in the box wired

1:01:54ones we're way better at way better like

1:01:57like double-clicking to go to the next

1:02:01track and it's it's a little bit like

1:02:04we're back to the truck in the car in

1:02:06some ways though we're for that matter

1:02:07voice were like this will not make sense

1:02:09until you use it and when you use it you

1:02:10will have no problem

1:02:13during about when other headphones are a

1:02:15better choice it's not I mean you're not

1:02:17you know for what just the wireless

1:02:18thing is dynamite if I'm just going to

1:02:20do dishes and just want to like have a

1:02:22little break and do dishes and listen to

1:02:24a podcast cuz I mean what's going to

1:02:26happen I mean the worst i have to do I

1:02:27reach down I grab my pocket and I hit

1:02:29the volume on my pocket to bring it up

1:02:31or down but you know if you're going to

1:02:33be traveling for a long time what you

1:02:35know also turns out they do if you

1:02:37include the time of the battery pack

1:02:39little Tic Tac holder like you get

1:02:42pretty good battery out of these things

1:02:44it's gonna be fine it's not that many

1:02:46occasions never run at least 450 I have

1:02:48never met me neither and when I think

1:02:50I've ever gotten below eighty percent i

1:02:51don't know but i've gotten i've gotten

1:02:53close we're not not even close but I've

1:02:56gotten to the point where i get like a

1:02:57warning or something or i don't i

1:02:59somehow notice and i just absent-minded

1:03:01leads put the air pods case on in a

1:03:04lightning cable and it's fixed I don't

1:03:06know the battery life is amazing on them

1:03:08and i have to say i had the two hundred

1:03:10ninety nine dollar beats ones um forget

1:03:14what they were called but they're ones

1:03:15with the little you know under the chin

1:03:17cable and i liked them enough that they

1:03:20were my main headphones for I don't know

1:03:22eight nine months or something like that

1:03:23but they were I was constantly running

1:03:25out of battery life on them surprise at

1:03:28surreal a moment's yeah like that case

1:03:30that case is brilliant like I hate and I

1:03:32love your tip your little YouTube video

1:03:33i use your tip all the time for getting

1:03:35them out that's the way to do it you

1:03:38should tell people is it really good

1:03:39i'll put it in the show notes show you

1:03:43well yeah i have to plug in your

1:03:44Ethernet right after plugging it let me

1:03:46take another break here and thank what i

1:03:48say i was gonna put in the show notes my

1:03:49video oh yeah your uh your stanley

1:03:52kubrick earbud video video air pod video

1:03:55all right there it is in the show notes

1:03:56I want to take a break that I got to

1:03:58thank another great sponsor I have their

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1:04:04me i don't think i don't think i paid

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1:04:07buy it and in fact i'm going to buy more

1:04:09it is a fantastic product i adore it it

1:04:13is a suitcase from a company called a

1:04:16way I've got the overhead one

1:04:20it's it's simply a great suitcase it is

1:04:24it is made with premium German

1:04:26polycarbonate it looks like you could

1:04:28throw it off the top of building and it

1:04:30would be fine it has four wheels the

1:04:32wheels are almost too good there's a

1:04:35there's a terminal in the philadelphia

1:04:37airport where to get to the the gates

1:04:39that i always have to go to for whatever

1:04:41reason every time I fly my gate at every

1:04:43Airport I go to in North America is

1:04:45always at the end of the terminal I

1:04:47never ever ever get one of those gates

1:04:49but at near the hub always at the end

1:04:52and at the philly terminal c theirs is a

1:04:55downhill slope like once you get past

1:04:59like gate c 20 and it's it's downhill

1:05:01the the wheels are so good on the away

1:05:04suitcase that it like the thing wants to

1:05:05run away from you it's got 4 360 degrees

1:05:09spinner wheels they are super smooth

1:05:10great wheels a TSA approved combination

1:05:14lock built under the top to prevent that

1:05:16is that great are these TSA you know and

1:05:18it's the best you can do though it's

1:05:20better than nothing right it's you know

1:05:22what's it's it's nice that it's built in

1:05:24and I've got one of these and I love it

1:05:25it's built in so you don't have to do

1:05:26that thing that I always do which is oh

1:05:28great I've got a lock and I lost against

1:05:30and all of my luggage has a lock on it

1:05:31that I can't exactly and then you know

1:05:33you just put your combination in your

1:05:34one password or whatever you use and you

1:05:38know it won't you won't forget it but

1:05:40here's the kicker the kicker is that

1:05:42they build in all that all that by

1:05:43itself by itself you got yourself into

1:05:45basically and if I stop and the prices

1:05:47are great right there the prices are

1:05:48great ah but here's the thing they built

1:05:51into the top of the case like a really

1:05:55get how many mega amps but a big battery

1:05:58and there's two USB ports one of them is

1:06:01the like the 55 watt like for a phone

1:06:05and the other one is like a 15 watt or

1:06:07something like that for like iPads or

1:06:09whatever or anything that can charge

1:06:11faster and so all you need then to

1:06:13charge your phone when you're at the

1:06:15airport you don't have to go around

1:06:16hunting for a seat at the airport near

1:06:20socket because guess what you know

1:06:22they're already taken they're taken

1:06:24there's because there's like one most

1:06:25North American airports have to wall

1:06:28sockets in the entire Airport yeah so

1:06:31you just makes you know charge your suit

1:06:34card your suitcase uh yeah when you get

1:06:36back you back to your room so you run

1:06:37off your staircase you get back to your

1:06:39room and we go to sleep at night you

1:06:40charge your suitcase like a gentleman it

1:06:41has so much power that like you could

1:06:43charge your suitcase before you go on

1:06:44your trip charge your phone at the

1:06:46airport go somewhere on the way back

1:06:48plug the USB n again and it still has a

1:06:50charge to charge up your phone while

1:06:52you're sitting there waiting for your

1:06:53flight I test I tested it and gave up

1:06:55after three charges of an iphone it it's

1:06:58just yeah no I mean it's it's got at

1:07:00least it I would say very safely at

1:07:02least two I don't want to oversell this

1:07:03because I don't speck in front of me but

1:07:04you you will definitely be able to

1:07:06charge up your stuff on good it's a big

1:07:08ass like Julian like you and a friend or

1:07:11spouse or a child whatever Zack I like

1:07:13having portable battery chargers when I

1:07:15travel but like I liked there's like a

1:07:17balancing act with a real portable

1:07:18charger where you want one that's like

1:07:19small enough that I get put it in your

1:07:21pocket it doesn't look like you've got a

1:07:22costanza wallet but on the other hand

1:07:24the ones that are kind of slim don't

1:07:25really they give you like an extra like

1:07:27fifty percent on your battery a suitcase

1:07:29even a small overhead suitcase plenty of

1:07:32space for a battery that will charge

1:07:34your stuff it is a brilliant idea it is

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1:08:06the kit is the killer feature my thanks

1:08:08to await trial good product ma'am here's

1:08:13the thing I keep saying this if you have

1:08:15a voice assistant and you hired somebody

1:08:17you hired you know a real live person

1:08:19you know kid right out of college to

1:08:22just follow you around and do stuff for

1:08:25you and you could say things like you

1:08:28know let's say that the kid's name is

1:08:29dingus you'd say hey dingus what's the

1:08:32score of the north carolina game and

1:08:34then dingus would you know look it up on

1:08:38a phone or whatever and then tell you

1:08:39the score of the game well that's

1:08:42already slower then you know the

1:08:44computers are better at that sort of

1:08:45stuff than having a

1:08:47but the flipside is that the computers

1:08:50will make errors that no human being

1:08:53even if you hired like a drunk no no

1:08:58human assistant would ever make some of

1:09:00the boneheaded errors that that the

1:09:06computer assistance make so for example

1:09:08i have i have two contacts named Amy one

1:09:12of them is my wife and I text her

1:09:14probably more than every other person in

1:09:17the world combined and then there's a PR

1:09:19person who works at a technology company

1:09:21who have had contact with maybe five

1:09:23times in years and sometimes when I say

1:09:27hey dingus text Amy blah blah blah it

1:09:31usually it just knows to send it to my

1:09:33wife but every once in a while it'll say

1:09:36which amy and but you really don't wanna

1:09:39get that wrong no you don't you don't

1:09:41want to get it wrong uh but it and I so

1:09:46I understand being careful and I'd

1:09:48rather have that likewise just your

1:09:50point partly being like why isn't that

1:09:52why has not figured this out yet well

1:09:54it's not why hasn't it I understand it

1:09:56it's a hard problem to figure out my

1:09:57point though is more that the bar is set

1:10:00at the common sense of a human being and

1:10:03that's okay right it's we need to judge

1:10:06these things by the bar that bar of

1:10:08common sense that if I tech if I had a

1:10:10human assistant and said tell Amy I'm

1:10:13going to be late and I'll let her know

1:10:15soon how late I'll be there's zero

1:10:19percent chance that that assistant isn't

1:10:20going to know exactly who I'm talking

1:10:22about that's a good point like a worst

1:10:25assistant I could hire someone who I'm

1:10:27like hey hey dingus tell yourself you're

1:10:32fired it just randomly picks the first

1:10:33Amy knowing knowing that your wife is

1:10:35named Amy it just randomly picks the

1:10:37first time you finds in the rolodex even

1:10:38an assistant who I'm so upset with their

1:10:41performance that I'm about I'm looking

1:10:43to replace them or you know let them go

1:10:44is going to get that right right uh um

1:10:49this is not your point is very well

1:10:52taken just for what it's worth

1:10:53practically to be well actually guy two

1:10:56ways I get around that are by naming

1:11:00relation

1:11:00ships hmm and by so you could say hey

1:11:04dingus yeah imaging Gruber is my wife I

1:11:06had seen it dingus knows that and I know

1:11:09I can't say text my wife that but it

1:11:13never comes out naturally I feel like

1:11:15part of the interaction I know part of

1:11:17the interaction with these things is

1:11:18that it you I think that they work best

1:11:22or feel like they work best like maybe

1:11:24the stopwatch would tell you there's no

1:11:25difference but the cognitive load is so

1:11:28much less if you don't really have to

1:11:30think about it in the formal how do i

1:11:33officially want to do this if I just say

1:11:36what's on the top of my head it always

1:11:38comes out as a me it never comes out as

1:11:39my wife right but it did the frustrating

1:11:42part I mean I would never call her my

1:11:44wife in a normal I'll life yeah yeah

1:11:47it's like borat right but you're like

1:11:49but it's almost eighty percent of the

1:11:50way there and that it can do that with

1:11:51the part that is frustrating to me and

1:11:53yeah I know it's a hard problem it is

1:11:54frustrating me though that like for

1:11:56example when it first miss here's you

1:12:00sometimes it will say like okay I didn't

1:12:02understand that name to pronounce that

1:12:03for me and it like wow that's really

1:12:06interesting you suddenly get really

1:12:07smart sometimes and now you want to

1:12:08learn how something is pronounced that's

1:12:09really cool but then another times like

1:12:11if you have exactly two people with the

1:12:13name Amy in there it is amazing how much

1:12:15of the time it'll say which Amy do you

1:12:16want to send it to like and seems to me

1:12:18like by the fifth or 40th time that has

1:12:21happened it kind of seems like it should

1:12:23figure out that like well it's always

1:12:25this one Amy yeah you know um what about

1:12:32looking let me ask you looking I don't

1:12:33want drag on I know got to do a shorty

1:12:35today but like you notice differences

1:12:36and how your kid uses it cuz like

1:12:38something I learned from other from

1:12:40people with kids our kids are your kids

1:12:42older than mine mine's 9 yours is 13 yep

1:12:45sure God the Cirque uses got kids that

1:12:49are actually I think 9 and 13 yeah um

1:12:52dictation this is just what my kid does

1:12:54she's real good at the ipad she's real

1:12:56good at finding stuff on google she's

1:12:58you know really yeah she's just great on

1:13:00the ipad but she would prefer to do

1:13:02everything with dictation she tries to

1:13:04do corrections to what she missed typed

1:13:06with dictation and like Syracuse and me

1:13:08we talk about this later ives you

1:13:10bananas you want to tear it out of your

1:13:11hand just go type like a person with

1:13:13your thumbs

1:13:14but like I think that's very telling

1:13:16that the kids really get the voice thing

1:13:18in a way that it feels exotic and slow

1:13:21to us well it makes sense to them the

1:13:23distances to hear could do that uh not

1:13:26so much with the iphone as far as I can

1:13:28tell he's mostly he tapper with the

1:13:31iphone but doesn't really his text

1:13:33messages are incredibly short often a

1:13:36single emoji usually just a word or two

1:13:38but where he really takes to voice is

1:13:41with the Apple TV he had a sleepover in

1:13:46a friend sleep over saturday night and I

1:13:48mean a must have spent 90 minutes just

1:13:50laughing hysterically telling apple TV

1:13:53to play I know goofy songs i've never

1:13:56heard of but you know but they did

1:13:57everything by voice it was all just

1:13:59hitting the mic button and asking Apple

1:14:02TV 2 apple music whatever to play a

1:14:04bunch of goofy songs that I wasn't

1:14:07familiar with but it was like 90 minutes

1:14:09of uproarious laughter all through the

1:14:11mic button on Apple TV we had I think I

1:14:14mentioned this last time we had a

1:14:16sleepover with seven girls 7 3rd grade

1:14:20girls I don't know what we were thinking

1:14:21and the I mean 77 and oh boy what you

1:14:27want to learn a little bit about

1:14:28politics have seven the third-grade

1:14:30girls sleep at your house because the

1:14:31first everybody's in a room and then

1:14:33everybody's in different rooms and

1:14:34there's crying and there's

1:14:35reconciliations and it's like one big

1:14:36sad game of diplomacy where everybody's

1:14:38right in orders in the hallways and but

1:14:41boy the the Amazons echo were a big fun

1:14:45feature I learn stuff from some of the

1:14:47kids like I guess I didn't know the

1:14:49thing about how you can tell it you know

1:14:51it's the real thing where designers of

1:14:52San Francisco haha right haha right

1:14:58right right right oh god yes yeah yeah

1:15:01they're like just one Cosmo short of a

1:15:02fistfight so you learn stuff about the I

1:15:07did I yeah I guess I knew but forgot the

1:15:10thing about telling you know what's the

1:15:12song that goes my mind is clear now at

1:15:15last all too well I can see like and

1:15:16then it'll play like you know Jesus

1:15:19Christ Superstar or whatever yeah that's

1:15:21that's great but you know there i guess

1:15:23i'm trying to get out i don't mean i'm

1:15:24not i'm not trying to be like you know

1:15:27Kevin Kelly or something here I'm not as

1:15:29smart as Kevin Kelly but I'm just saying

1:15:30like look to what these people are doing

1:15:33they're not weird and dumb like they're

1:15:35figuring this out and we might be the

1:15:37weird ones at this point you know so

1:15:39yeah I don't know but then there's still

1:15:40so many holes I mean I'd like to your

1:15:43point so I have to admit it's such a

1:15:45bitch it's not even hold surely dated it

1:15:48challenged um okay I would just say it's

1:15:51not holes I think it's more like we're

1:15:54still in a canyon and we've built a few

1:15:56plateaus it's mostly hole I think yeah I

1:15:59somebody I remember first in the early

1:16:01days in 80s describing windows as being

1:16:03like this system where like you'd be in

1:16:05this in this beautiful office building

1:16:07on the 13th floor of this beautiful

1:16:08office building only sometimes you'd

1:16:10open a door and fall down a mine shaft

1:16:12to the ground floor you just get dropped

1:16:15into das out of nowhere sometimes like

1:16:16what happened with a computer go and you

1:16:19know i think that's that's still the

1:16:20case here so i did this I did this other

1:16:22show called due by Friday where we give

1:16:23each other a challenge every week and I

1:16:25the challenge I gave my coast this week

1:16:26was to try what I'm doing which is try

1:16:28doing this voice thing and we'll see how

1:16:29that goes but I've also the side

1:16:31challenge and this was to start keeping

1:16:33track of the stuff that drives you

1:16:34bananas about using your voice so if

1:16:36you're ready to lock your keys inside

1:16:38the car inside of another car instead of

1:16:39another car my first thing I did was say

1:16:41I said something along lines of hey

1:16:42dingus dingus make a new note called

1:16:45bitch cuz I thought cousin what do I

1:16:48want to be able to do i want to say hey

1:16:50dingus add this effing thing doesn't

1:16:52work to my bitch note and of course what

1:16:55happens Siri goes oh merlin your

1:16:58language is so saucy and like no dingus

1:17:01so I had to go to manually create no

1:17:04call bitch because it refused to do

1:17:06anything with it cuz I thought I was

1:17:07being a saucy boy but you know and of

1:17:11course that's the first thing on the

1:17:12list now is that you know that Siri

1:17:14chides me sometimes for how I choose to

1:17:15name things but now you're right you're

1:17:18right i mean it's it is early days but

1:17:19demand me to monopolize your show with

1:17:22voice stuff no it's just do feel like

1:17:24it's pretty easy to write once you get

1:17:27to the age the people like we are it

1:17:29becomes very easy to just write off huge

1:17:32swathes of stuff by going like a whole

1:17:35like you know Douglas Adams thing of

1:17:37like you know stuff that was created

1:17:38before you were 30

1:17:40is dependable stuff creating your 30s is

1:17:42like yeah cool anything after that is

1:17:44dangerous I don't want to be that guy I

1:17:48don't want to be the guy I always

1:17:51thought this like I don't want to be the

1:17:53guy who is now mid 40s and as really

1:17:58strong opinions about the way computers

1:18:00are which I am and who dismisses the new

1:18:03things like the guys who dismissed the

1:18:07Macintosh when it came like I

1:18:09specifically towards a toy fur it's a

1:18:11toy for rich boy I remember very

1:18:12specifically a reading a jhansi Dvorak

1:18:16column from like 19 85 or 86 or

1:18:18something like that where his his

1:18:19argument against the Macintosh and why

1:18:21it was doomed to failure was that real

1:18:23people doing real work want to kick back

1:18:28in their chairs and put their feet on

1:18:30their desk and put their keyboard on

1:18:31their lap and therefore they can't use

1:18:33the mouse and that that one of those

1:18:36hats it wit card it says press and

1:18:38that's exactly how he was banging out

1:18:40the column that I was reading was with

1:18:42his feet on his desk in the diff Davis

1:18:44offices in San Francisco and how in the

1:18:47world am I ever going to use a mouse you

1:18:48know this thing is doomed I don't want

1:18:50to be that guy with voice I really don't

1:18:52even though I'm frustrated with it in a

1:18:55lot of ways and I see a lot of problems

1:18:56with it and I see people using it for

1:18:58things where I'm like oh my god you

1:18:59could totally do that better the old way

1:19:02but I totally see that it's the new

1:19:04thing that's coming I know we gotta go

1:19:07soon I gotta squeeze in I got squeeze in

1:19:08another message from a friend though and

1:19:10it's it yeah please by all means what

1:19:12I'm I something you like well it's

1:19:13fracture fractures do you guys know

1:19:15Christ sure you guys know French oh let

1:19:18me tell you something now i'm recording

1:19:20this on march 21 21 it's probably going

1:19:24to come out on wednesday march 22

1:19:26fracture you send them your photos you

1:19:28take your photos to send them to

1:19:29fracture they put them right on glass no

1:19:32frame just a piece of glass we're on the

1:19:34back of the glass they print the photo

1:19:36directly on it it comes with everything

1:19:38you need to prop it up on a shelf or to

1:19:40hang it on a wall it comes with

1:19:42everything you need the quality is

1:19:44amazing we've got a ton of them in the

1:19:45house we love them people will notice it

1:19:48because there's no frame around it

1:19:49really looks cool it's just edge to edge

1:19:50but here's what i'm telling you about

1:19:53the date

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1:21:46you're gonna you're gonna be thinking

1:21:47about John and Marilyn and you're going

1:21:49to think John and Marilyn did me right

1:21:50do it ah anything else you want to talk

1:21:55about I you know people probably think

1:21:57what we've got two or three hours left

1:21:59on the show but we don't were done

1:22:00normally we do we had to jam this one in

1:22:02because your gut you know what I could

1:22:04do what I I'm in a tight spot a

1:22:06two-parter

1:22:07I man in tight spot recording-wise I've

1:22:09got to squeezing these shows on the rare

1:22:11days when there aren't contractors

1:22:13upstairs banging banging holes in the

1:22:15walls that house we're about to move out

1:22:17of it so anyway it's it's it's a long

1:22:19sad story and it makes it hard to do a

1:22:20podcast but uh well I probably can't hmm

1:22:25do our follow-up we'd like to do from

1:22:28our November up nah that's too much too

1:22:30deep too deep but I I don't want to bust

1:22:33a gut but I would just like to say

1:22:36sincerely thank you to everybody who

1:22:40responded to that episode that is maybe

1:22:44the most response I have ever gotten

1:22:46there without questioning me I mean I'm

1:22:49not a say i'm not i'm talking about you

1:22:51include the talk where I cried you

1:22:53include that thing I wrote on the thing

1:22:55like I we got so much heart felt kind

1:23:00responses from people on a day that was

1:23:02very difficult for both of us and for a

1:23:04lot of people I just want to say thank

1:23:05thank you for the opportunity to do it

1:23:06honestly and thank you to everybody who

1:23:08continues to send nice notes about that

1:23:10I still remember this morning 3 minutes

1:23:12in how many minutes into that episode

1:23:14what if for anybody who's not familiar

1:23:16the day after the election was it the

1:23:17day after the morning the morning after

1:23:19the election which Merlin and I both

1:23:23took pretty hard we recorded an episode

1:23:25of the show about it but without trying

1:23:28the purpose was to sort of talk our way

1:23:30through this and talk anybody else who

1:23:31was upset through this in a way that was

1:23:33you can't quite say a political but

1:23:36eight nonpartisan not strictly part it's

1:23:39not strictly partisan and it at some

1:23:43point a few minutes into this show you

1:23:45said way this is this holiday party it

1:23:49it wasn't all you were aware at first

1:23:52doesn't know what it reminded me of the

1:23:55holiday party episode that you did with

1:23:58danna time ago we told the story of

1:24:00losing your driver's license ID and is I

1:24:03could tell you were having a holiday

1:24:04party I was having a holiday party was

1:24:06that a continuation of the previous

1:24:08night's honey pie right yeah I took it I

1:24:11took the election very hard tonight I

1:24:13mean obviously I was I was I was sober

1:24:16enough at one point to make arrangements

1:24:18with you to do a show that I stayed

1:24:20I really tried to drink away that

1:24:25election and then they were you know is

1:24:27one of the you know maybe enough to

1:24:28drink where I woke up and it was still a

1:24:29significant portion of the fuel coursing

1:24:34through my veins we're trying to scoop

1:24:36up everybody but you know sometimes

1:24:38you're gonna miss me and I you know I

1:24:39might have thought to myself you know if

1:24:40any time it's there's a Wednesday where

1:24:42you can have an eye opener maybe this is

1:24:44the Wednesday yeah that's your day yeah

1:24:46daddy's day but it did and I you were

1:24:49right and all joking aside we got a

1:24:51tremendous amount of wonderful heartfelt

1:24:53feedback immediately and it lasted

1:24:56though that like into January and even

1:24:59it still pops up every once in a while

1:25:01now where people will say you know I've

1:25:02listened to that episode six times and

1:25:05I've never done that with a podcast

1:25:06before and it's like that's crazy

1:25:07there's only so many people who said

1:25:09like I couldn't listen to it for a month

1:25:10because they were stay were so they were

1:25:12having their own dark month of the soul

1:25:14right and they and then they were like I

1:25:16listened to it and it you know doesn't

1:25:18make you feel better but it makes you

1:25:20feel a little different you know I know

1:25:21maybe a little different and a lot of

1:25:23people said liked it made me feel like I

1:25:25wasn't alone I'm not crazy yeah so

1:25:27anyway this is luckily all that settled

1:25:29now everything's running like a top it's

1:25:32like I'm really like a well-oiled

1:25:33machine every day every day every day

1:25:36okay so one of the worst things I've

1:25:38done in the last few months is one of my

1:25:41friends i'd do that show with max Temkin

1:25:42he he has this list of people's

1:25:45political US political people and

1:25:47reporters and i started following much

1:25:50to my peril i started following this

1:25:52fucking list and it's just unraveled my

1:25:54entire life because I spent so much time

1:25:55again Philippa flipper flipper and

1:25:58tweetbot looking at this thing is this

1:25:59is a twitter-like stood in other words

1:26:01yeah if you go to max Temkin at mex temp

1:26:04can look at his list you'll see his us

1:26:05politics list and it's actually it's a

1:26:07good way like that's how I've learned

1:26:08about like I'm Molly Haberman I Malloy

1:26:11and all these people that I really

1:26:12follow like seven boys funny he's very

1:26:14funny so anyway but it seems like pretty

1:26:20much every Monday and a lot of most

1:26:22other days someone announces this is it

1:26:24and I gotta get away from this one this

1:26:29is it this is the worst day that the

1:26:33Republican

1:26:34and it has had set there's no this is

1:26:39there's piss no way done dunzo this is

1:26:46it and then he come back the next day

1:26:48you go you know what today he had the

1:26:51worst day release the kraken when do we

1:26:59get to see the piss video I want to know

1:27:01in a lot of ways you have to laugh it's

1:27:04hard because there aren't some there are

1:27:07some real-world consequences you know 22

1:27:11oh my goodness environmental policy to

1:27:14Don hella Merkel her face oh look you're

1:27:17not really you're not gonna shake my

1:27:18hand dude you're standing like I'm where

1:27:20the last liberal democracy left your

1:27:22there were a couple of moment watch the

1:27:24whole thing there there were two moments

1:27:25there was the big do you want to shake

1:27:28hands and he's just look at his feet and

1:27:31then there was the moment where they

1:27:33were standing at the podiums side by

1:27:35side that was in the the the the

1:27:37handshake that didn't happen was in the

1:27:39Oval Office right never they had they

1:27:40had the press conference at the at the

1:27:42dueling podiums and and Trump when it

1:27:47was asked about his question about

1:27:49wiretapping yeah this spurious claim

1:27:51that obama had wiretapped him turn to

1:27:53her and made a joke instead maybe we've

1:27:55got something in common they're

1:27:57referring to one of the most difficult

1:28:00moments of the entire Obama

1:28:02administration when it when it I think

1:28:04it was a Snowden Yeah right that that uh

1:28:06did we been you know what did she

1:28:12snapped her neck on a double take you

1:28:15could not fake rocky like she's it it

1:28:18she was a good girl right not because

1:28:21she wasn't aware me to say that it's so

1:28:23something it was not supposed to be

1:28:25talked about it was as though so it was

1:28:27like a trumpet brought up toilet

1:28:28splatter was the look on Angela Angela

1:28:33Merkel's face when he he brought up

1:28:36maybe we've got something together

1:28:37something something million all the

1:28:40German reporters the German reporters

1:28:42are like are like in some kind of a Hans

1:28:45Christian Andersen book with like uh why

1:28:48do you keep saying things that you know

1:28:51aren't true and America's like wow there

1:28:55wow that's really brave did you see that

1:28:57the hair is the the reporter who asked

1:29:01that question she has become like a

1:29:03celebrity in Germany simply because of

1:29:05her she's like a modern folk here right

1:29:06because she just flatly asked him mr.

1:29:08president why do you smile you continue

1:29:11and repeatedly say things that you know

1:29:12aren't true you think we'll be back here

1:29:15in four months with the same situation

1:29:17if we didn't know God forgot God willing

1:29:19if you and I visit again here on your

1:29:21program thank you for having me you

1:29:23think you do I think trumbull silly

1:29:25balls just can this continue yeah I i

1:29:28think it's i think one of the things

1:29:30that to me is very obvious was that this

1:29:34was going to be a disaster a complete

1:29:36disaster but i think it was i also

1:29:39thought it's going to be unpossible to

1:29:41predict how and I think that's

1:29:43completely coming out I don't think

1:29:45anybody is quite called the way that

1:29:48that this has gone bad uh I right I

1:29:53think there's a good chance that he

1:29:54doesn't that he doesn't make it I think

1:29:57there's a good chance that he gets to a

1:29:58point where he's like it resides but I

1:30:01feel like four months from now is

1:30:03probably not soon enough we had me back

1:30:06I will i would love to him what do you

1:30:09think do you think I mean it's assigned

1:30:13a real horse meeting evil force an

1:30:17immovable object type situation people

1:30:19have one part of this one part that's

1:30:21always seemed plausible to me honestly

1:30:23is that I don't think he really wanted

1:30:26this job I think he wanted to win right

1:30:27but I don't think he wanted the job I

1:30:29mean so it's always been plausible to me

1:30:31that knowing that he is a bit of a wild

1:30:33card and likes his life a certain way I

1:30:35mean just you know first put in

1:30:36principles Clarice like he does not like

1:30:38being in Washington where he goes

1:30:40freakin golfing every weekend in a

1:30:42different state like that's there's this

1:30:45job is not suited to his personality why

1:30:48so many executive orders he likes to

1:30:50autograph things and be photographed

1:30:51that kind of thing he's good at what

1:30:53like he likes that and he likes he likes

1:30:55the rallies and the stuff like that but

1:30:57I don't I think to say he's going to get

1:31:00bored what I think would be a little

1:31:01dismiss

1:31:01but I don't think he likes this job I

1:31:03don't think he gets to be the kind of

1:31:05person he wants to be in this job he

1:31:07wants to be liked by people and he wants

1:31:09to golf a lot I mean he basically wants

1:31:11to be a retiree who does a volunteer job

1:31:13he doesn't want to do this job I think

1:31:16if he can get to a point where in in his

1:31:19own world view and in the world view of

1:31:23the people who still are crazy for him

1:31:26yeah if he can declare that he's made

1:31:30America great again and it did took far

1:31:33less time than anybody ever expected and

1:31:35then he can just just walk off into that

1:31:38you know my job is done America's great

1:31:40again pensee here can clean up you know

1:31:43can can dot the i's and cross the t's I

1:31:46think that he but I think he's guy think

1:31:50he'd he'd have to you know figure out a

1:31:52way that he and at this point he can't

1:31:53say that yeah hasn't done anything no

1:31:56but Vicky the other angle is like you

1:31:58think about his even more common theme

1:32:00nowadays it's how undermined he is yeah

1:32:03by by by the media and by these

1:32:06perfidious Republicans and like

1:32:10basically he's he's not he's he's a

1:32:13person who isn't sure what to do in the

1:32:16absence of a clear enemy so you know I

1:32:19the other guy I agree with you the if he

1:32:21could maaga to his if you can pound sign

1:32:24maaga in a way that he can claim victory

1:32:26sure and the other thing is though he

1:32:28might be able to like you know set his

1:32:31own personal Reich's Reichstag fire he

1:32:34might self-immolate and say like oh you

1:32:36know the dishonest media and the you

1:32:38know failing New York Times everybody's

1:32:40undermined me so like I could do better

1:32:42work like going and creating my own TV

1:32:44network right like then that I could

1:32:46affect some real change in this world

1:32:47yeah he needs a weenie CC it is curious

1:32:50he does need an enemy like it's very

1:32:52clear and and I just saw I didn't watch

1:32:55all that can't take him in large doses

1:32:56but I saw that he had a campaign rally

1:32:57and and the fact that it did 60 days in

1:33:02the office he's holding campaign rallies

1:33:04for an election that was my daughter my

1:33:06daughter keeps saying he knows he won

1:33:07right like I think he knows he won it's

1:33:11still all about Hillary Clinton well the

1:33:13election was five months ago all

1:33:15yeah and yes and and and his his his

1:33:17rally a night or two ago in in kentucky

1:33:20i think it was in Louisville was was

1:33:21about Hillary Clinton and he said and he

1:33:24said something to the effect of we're

1:33:25going to protect the Second Amendment

1:33:27what's going to be in such good hands

1:33:28and it wouldn't be if a certain someone

1:33:31else had won this election and it this

1:33:35election is so it was sort of like in

1:33:37the present tense it's like dude that

1:33:39was five months ago like that is Hillary

1:33:42Clinton's out water on woods god bless

1:33:46her I love her but this election like

1:33:48this guy is is crazy at you know in

1:33:52terms of his need to have an enemy so I

1:33:53don't know I don't see it check back in

1:33:55and check back in in July yeah I think

1:33:59so we need a holiday party I need some

1:34:02Brazilian stick