The Talk Show

184: ‘Hubbo Is in Decline’, With Special Guest Merlin Mann


00:00:00   oh boy Oh once you start locking [TS]

00:00:02   everything down wow did you unlock cask [TS]

00:00:07   you a question yeah you can ask me any [TS]

00:00:08   to you do you um we cut this out do you [TS]

00:00:11   unlock your Mac with your watch I do Wow [TS]

00:00:15   but I don't wear my I don't wear my [TS]

00:00:17   watch every day but it's one of my [TS]

00:00:18   favorite features in it at it's actually [TS]

00:00:21   one of the main motivators for me to [TS]

00:00:23   wear my watch because I love that [TS]

00:00:26   feature so much I do I trust it it in [TS]

00:00:29   and I find that it works amazingly it [TS]

00:00:32   works you know I'm over eighty percent [TS]

00:00:33   of the time which is good but a man's [TS]

00:00:36   switch in it was a good excuse to [TS]

00:00:38   finally switch over from to step 2 to [TS]

00:00:41   factor wow that's a heck of a thing I'm [TS]

00:00:45   glad I did it and I gotta tell you I put [TS]

00:00:48   it off for a long time I only did it [TS]

00:00:52   several weeks ago uh there was like an [TS]

00:00:57   update to I forget if it was a mac OS [TS]

00:01:01   update or an iOS update where one of the [TS]

00:01:03   features was hey you know we came out [TS]

00:01:05   with this unlock your Mac feature with [TS]

00:01:07   your watch back in October whatever but [TS]

00:01:09   we made it really fast now and I was [TS]

00:01:11   like you know when I gotta try i've been [TS]

00:01:12   putting this off and i put it off [TS]

00:01:14   because I didn't have the two-factor I [TS]

00:01:16   had to step am I saying it right yeah [TS]

00:01:19   yeah the two-step I mean I didn't tell [TS]

00:01:22   you the spec on this but the if you [TS]

00:01:24   tried if you're trying to determine [TS]

00:01:26   which one you have running right now [TS]

00:01:27   well it's probably two step and I think [TS]

00:01:29   the easiest way to tell and correct me [TS]

00:01:31   if i'm wrong i'm sure people will with [TS]

00:01:34   two step you get an SMS message with a [TS]

00:01:37   four-digit code with two factor you get [TS]

00:01:40   a like a more official looking like iOS [TS]

00:01:42   pop-up right and a six digit code right [TS]

00:01:46   it is switching over switching over is [TS]

00:01:49   who you want to not be having a holiday [TS]

00:01:53   party when you switch over to two factor [TS]

00:01:55   I've been one night I got I got a [TS]

00:01:58   macbook adorable and I thought okay I'll [TS]

00:02:00   give this a spin and so I thought you [TS]

00:02:03   know Oh watching TV watching TV set up [TS]

00:02:05   to factor and I was trying to be that [TS]

00:02:07   guy I'm trying to be like security guys [TS]

00:02:09   so like I don't leave iCloud I don't [TS]

00:02:11   tick the button to keep me logged in [TS]

00:02:13   i'm on a mac with iCloud I don't know [TS]

00:02:15   why it's just a dumb superstition but so [TS]

00:02:17   if memory serves you got to go in you [TS]

00:02:19   have to first you have to shut off this [TS]

00:02:20   is totally like Tom Cruise coming down [TS]

00:02:22   the line like you land right before you [TS]

00:02:25   hit the floor so you gotta log in and in [TS]

00:02:28   my case so I got a fact to factor in [TS]

00:02:29   right to to site to steppin now I to [TS]

00:02:32   step in okay not a problem have some [TS]

00:02:35   drinks set up to factor no problem so so [TS]

00:02:37   far so good I to two step in and first [TS]

00:02:41   you gotta shut off to step like this not [TS]

00:02:45   only makes sense first you have to shut [TS]

00:02:47   off to step and then to turn on [TS]

00:02:48   two-factor and there might be another [TS]

00:02:51   two step at that point to make sure you [TS]

00:02:54   want to shut off to step but in any case [TS]

00:02:56   then you get to where you have to put in [TS]

00:02:59   three security questions and optionally [TS]

00:03:04   I think a phone number and so on that [TS]

00:03:07   guy right so like I don't have the box [TS]

00:03:10   ticked over here I got one password oh [TS]

00:03:12   by the way and I was trying to do this [TS]

00:03:14   on an iPad so initially and so I and [TS]

00:03:19   then eventually I moved to the to the [TS]

00:03:21   macbook adorable but point being I'm I'm [TS]

00:03:24   not going to put in like the name of my [TS]

00:03:25   high school I'm not going to put in my [TS]

00:03:27   favorite band or whatever i have my own [TS]

00:03:29   way of doing this by using a [TS]

00:03:31   non-conventional answer to that but i [TS]

00:03:33   want to get it exactly right so i type [TS]

00:03:35   all of them into one password and then [TS]

00:03:38   i'm copying and pasting them I I hate [TS]

00:03:41   those security questions because I I [TS]

00:03:44   have a podcast and on a podcast I might [TS]

00:03:46   occasionally I might tell a story about [TS]

00:03:49   my first grade teacher like absolutely I [TS]

00:03:52   told stories about my my crazy dog [TS]

00:03:56   Chester and growing up who used to who [TS]

00:03:58   my name is definitely John Gruber my dog [TS]

00:04:02   is Chester even reset everything he was [TS]

00:04:05   a great dog I can't help it tell stories [TS]

00:04:07   about him but I mean those shins I don't [TS]

00:04:09   like those questions at all either isn't [TS]

00:04:11   it that stuff seems awful and because [TS]

00:04:16   everybody I know who's actually been [TS]

00:04:17   hacked has been hacked through all right [TS]

00:04:19   I think so i think this is true that [TS]

00:04:21   everybody I know has had any kind of [TS]

00:04:22   problems with [TS]

00:04:24   you know the hijinks that these things [TS]

00:04:27   are meant to to defend against was [TS]

00:04:29   hacked through with a social engineering [TS]

00:04:32   social engineer I was going to say [TS]

00:04:33   social manipulation but you know that [TS]

00:04:36   the mat Honan problem right exactly [TS]

00:04:38   somebody just calls up and says I'm John [TS]

00:04:40   Gruber and oh yeah my first grade [TS]

00:04:41   teacher so and so and the dog was named [TS]

00:04:44   Chester and and you know boom then [TS]

00:04:47   they're in I had an additional problem [TS]

00:04:49   with the switch from to step 2 to factor [TS]

00:04:51   with iCloud where well numbered the [TS]

00:04:54   whole thing it is a mess and I don't [TS]

00:04:56   even know how I got into this situation [TS]

00:04:57   where I'm one of the people who've got [TS]

00:05:00   to iCloud things where I've got the one [TS]

00:05:03   that I used where I to Apple IDs one me [TS]

00:05:07   to want one for my stuff and one for my [TS]

00:05:08   media oh yeah so when i buy stuff it's [TS]

00:05:11   with its it's with a different account [TS]

00:05:14   and when that's my old i still have my [TS]

00:05:16   old like I think mac com or me calm oh [TS]

00:05:19   no what is was that I even have a third [TS]

00:05:21   Apple ID which isn't even an email [TS]

00:05:26   address it's just a name which is from [TS]

00:05:29   Alba developer connection it was like an [TS]

00:05:32   ADC account that I set up in like [TS]

00:05:33   nineteen ninety-eight but like back then [TS]

00:05:36   it was like they didn't use email is [TS]

00:05:38   like your identifier they just let you [TS]

00:05:39   pick a name and so I've still got that [TS]

00:05:41   and and there's certain things that if I [TS]

00:05:44   go through a DC they're like you need to [TS]

00:05:47   you need to upgrade this account to an [TS]

00:05:49   email address but the problem is that [TS]

00:05:51   the two email addresses that I most like [TS]

00:05:53   to use with it are all already Apple IDs [TS]

00:05:55   so I came anyway but that program I ran [TS]

00:05:59   into was i turn off to step and it is [TS]

00:06:02   weird it is like first step turn off all [TS]

00:06:04   your security on your account right [TS]

00:06:06   second step go through this and then go [TS]

00:06:08   in and like on iOS you go to like [TS]

00:06:11   settings iCloud click your name and then [TS]

00:06:14   there's like turn on two-factor [TS]

00:06:16   authentication except I would follow [TS]

00:06:21   those steps and go there and there was [TS]

00:06:22   no button that said turn on two-factor [TS]

00:06:24   authentication and then I would go on [TS]

00:06:26   the mac and on the mac you go to the [TS]

00:06:29   settings or system prefs and there's the [TS]

00:06:31   same type thing and there's a button and [TS]

00:06:32   there was a button to turn on two-factor [TS]

00:06:34   authentication and i would click that [TS]

00:06:36   button and [TS]

00:06:37   would spin not for a long time but like [TS]

00:06:39   for like you know like the six or seven [TS]

00:06:42   seconds you would think that it would [TS]

00:06:43   take for this to like phone home to [TS]

00:06:46   apple and an apple would you know figure [TS]

00:06:48   out how to do this and then it would [TS]

00:06:49   politely tell me that two factor [TS]

00:06:51   authentication cannot be turned on for [TS]

00:06:53   this account you know but you know how [TS]

00:06:57   it is though you having a holiday party [TS]

00:06:58   you want to increase your security and [TS]

00:07:00   I'm like a terrier I'm like on the one [TS]

00:07:02   hand I'm like I'm gonna get this done I [TS]

00:07:03   can I know I can do this and then it [TS]

00:07:05   becomes like a video game where I'm [TS]

00:07:07   liking just just to cut to the chase [TS]

00:07:08   here uh I'm going to tell you how many [TS]

00:07:11   times I tried to do this and each time [TS]

00:07:12   by the time i got the end to make it go [TS]

00:07:15   I was timed out on the website because i [TS]

00:07:19   hadn't ticked the button and then I'm [TS]

00:07:20   like okay you know what that's fine [TS]

00:07:22   we're going to do a speed run of this [TS]

00:07:23   let's see if I can do this and finish it [TS]

00:07:26   without having to take that button [TS]

00:07:27   because now i'm mad and I never I never [TS]

00:07:29   could pull it off and then of course I [TS]

00:07:31   think okay you're getting your hands [TS]

00:07:32   perilously close to the dragon's mouth [TS]

00:07:34   at this point wait till tomorrow morning [TS]

00:07:36   wait till the holiday party is over do [TS]

00:07:38   this in the clear light of day and I did [TS]

00:07:40   tick the button and it did work and then [TS]

00:07:42   of course everything's blowing up on all [TS]

00:07:44   the voices letting me know that you know [TS]

00:07:46   all these things are available in all [TS]

00:07:47   these places but I don't know it's just [TS]

00:07:49   it's another one of those things where [TS]

00:07:50   far from I guess security theater I mean [TS]

00:07:53   this is such an important thing for all [TS]

00:07:55   of us to be working on but it is not [TS]

00:07:59   super consumer friendly well I said I [TS]

00:08:03   think I I think Apple deserves some [TS]

00:08:06   praise for its because I think they're [TS]

00:08:08   more or less doing the right thing and I [TS]

00:08:09   think now that I have it working I I do [TS]

00:08:10   like the way that it works and I like [TS]

00:08:13   the new advanced like you said like it [TS]

00:08:15   looks like instead of just getting a [TS]

00:08:17   text message or an iMessage or whatever [TS]

00:08:18   it is with a code you get like a real [TS]

00:08:20   nice dialogue and it even has a map [TS]

00:08:22   showing you where the right to the thing [TS]

00:08:24   is trying to log on um uh so they're [TS]

00:08:29   doing the right thing I just think it [TS]

00:08:30   shows how hard it is to move old systems [TS]

00:08:35   along to the best practices right [TS]

00:08:38   because the Apple ID system dates back [TS]

00:08:40   to you know like 19 I don't know late [TS]

00:08:43   90s when it was literally just a [TS]

00:08:45   username and a password and that was it [TS]

00:08:48   and your plastic I don't think I got one [TS]

00:08:51   until [TS]

00:08:51   um whatever the original mobileme thing [TS]

00:08:55   was like where you got the cards and all [TS]

00:08:56   that stuff that's probably when i first [TS]

00:08:58   got one you have one circ you said one [TS]

00:09:00   of those just a name things yeah I still [TS]

00:09:03   have it yeah Wow they didn't make you [TS]

00:09:05   change it uh not yet huh I think that [TS]

00:09:09   they might if I if I think if I were to [TS]

00:09:11   say if I were to release an app in the [TS]

00:09:15   App Store under my own under that [TS]

00:09:17   account i think i would have to update [TS]

00:09:18   I'd have to update it to an email [TS]

00:09:19   address I think there's a there's a [TS]

00:09:21   couple of thing and maybe even if I got [TS]

00:09:22   like a WWDC ticket I don't know if I got [TS]

00:09:25   it something goes something goes wrong [TS]

00:09:27   and like it could be like an itunes [TS]

00:09:29   problem sometimes they'll be these weird [TS]

00:09:31   sorry to go on about this but like you [TS]

00:09:34   know Syracuse and I talked about this a [TS]

00:09:35   lot on our program this mystery meat pop [TS]

00:09:37   ups if you get periodically for like [TS]

00:09:39   reauthorized with iCloud know like why I [TS]

00:09:41   reauthorize like what reauthorized like [TS]

00:09:43   what do you what is this for like if you [TS]

00:09:45   got that from google you'd freak if [TS]

00:09:47   you're just using your computer and you [TS]

00:09:49   got a popup message that said [TS]

00:09:50   reauthorize to Google you'd be like what [TS]

00:09:52   is this but then you know then you get [TS]

00:09:54   that thing where it's like oh now you [TS]

00:09:57   know you go to the principal's office [TS]

00:09:58   now you gotta go to apple ID apple com [TS]

00:10:01   you're going to set on the bench you're [TS]

00:10:03   going to wait your turn you're going to [TS]

00:10:03   go use I have not used apple ID apple [TS]

00:10:06   com in a while but every time i've used [TS]

00:10:08   it i feel i feel like i'm like indie [TS]

00:10:11   trying to get the head of the idol when [TS]

00:10:13   I got the bag of sand I just might get [TS]

00:10:16   out of here without getting speared [TS]

00:10:18   shouldn't have been a much bigger butt [TS]

00:10:23   bag of sand I thought about it because [TS]

00:10:25   gold I don't know how I presume that the [TS]

00:10:28   idol was hollow to some extent that it [TS]

00:10:30   was not a song like a modern chocolate [TS]

00:10:32   bunny yeah I presume that the idol was [TS]

00:10:35   like a modern chocolate bunny made of [TS]

00:10:36   gold but even so Gold is a very heavy [TS]

00:10:39   substance and I I feel like that what [TS]

00:10:43   they chose to do is pick something that [TS]

00:10:45   was cinematically roughly the same size [TS]

00:10:46   sure but I feel like you know I've oh [TS]

00:10:51   it's always bothered me a little bit [TS]

00:10:52   that see I'm just going to guess to me [TS]

00:10:55   here and I couldn't know without holding [TS]

00:10:56   the idol in the bag but I'm gonna say [TS]

00:10:58   three to six times heavier than that bag [TS]

00:11:00   of sand i'm also i'm loath to criticize [TS]

00:11:03   the scene because it [TS]

00:11:04   it's it famously this is the Raiders of [TS]

00:11:07   the Lost Ark is arguably my favorite [TS]

00:11:09   movie of all time depending on what day [TS]

00:11:11   you ask me without question my most [TS]

00:11:14   beloved movie of all time and yeah the [TS]

00:11:16   movie I know without question it's the [TS]

00:11:19   movie I've seen the most number of times [TS]

00:11:21   and even saying that and one of the [TS]

00:11:26   reasons I love the movie is that I love [TS]

00:11:27   every single scene in the movie there's [TS]

00:11:28   not a single clunker arguably other than [TS]

00:11:30   the one where Marion it's with the [TS]

00:11:32   mirror uh I know that it's a it's a [TS]

00:11:38   classic and I mean my kids like will [TS]

00:11:39   request to watch it it's it's still it's [TS]

00:11:42   it's really well put together yeah and [TS]

00:11:45   but that's seen in particular is a [TS]

00:11:47   standout among standouts yeah absolutely [TS]

00:11:50   here's the reason I know I think I've [TS]

00:11:51   told this story before but maybe not to [TS]

00:11:53   you the reason I know that I've seen [TS]

00:11:54   Raiders of the Lost Ark more than any [TS]

00:11:56   other movie is that growing up my friend [TS]

00:11:59   JD who lived right down the street from [TS]

00:12:01   me had a VCR and this is before very [TS]

00:12:05   early years of VCR technology and and [TS]

00:12:08   home video and you couldn't really even [TS]

00:12:12   it was like before video stores and [TS]

00:12:13   stuff it was like mostly VCRs or for [TS]

00:12:15   taping shows and they didn't really they [TS]

00:12:17   all the studios were just sort of [TS]

00:12:19   dipping their toes into like well maybe [TS]

00:12:20   well maybe we'll let you watch movies on [TS]

00:12:23   these tapes maybe but certainly not the [TS]

00:12:25   good ones and somehow JD's dad got [TS]

00:12:28   copier raiders lost ark on VHS like but [TS]

00:12:31   before there were like commercial [TS]

00:12:33   versions of it I mean it was like if you [TS]

00:12:35   know one of the very early days of [TS]

00:12:38   movies that fell off the back of a truck [TS]

00:12:40   and it was right one and only movie here [TS]

00:12:42   yeah and we both loved it and so every [TS]

00:12:46   time it rained in the summer or like on [TS]

00:12:49   a Saturday or Sunday JD would call me up [TS]

00:12:51   and he would just see it would say you [TS]

00:12:52   want to watch the raider said i'd say [TS]

00:12:54   i'll be right there and that's what it [TS]

00:12:56   was it wasn't why do you want to watch a [TS]

00:12:57   movie do you want to come over he would [TS]

00:12:59   just call up and say do you want to [TS]

00:13:00   watch Raiders and i would say sure and [TS]

00:13:02   we'd go down to his house and we would [TS]

00:13:03   watch the raiders of the lost ark and it [TS]

00:13:05   never got old the early days of falling [TS]

00:13:08   off a truck to me were i want to say it [TS]

00:13:13   would have been when i was in high [TS]

00:13:13   school probably around the time of [TS]

00:13:15   return of the jedi HBO would show for [TS]

00:13:18   Star Wars movie and so lots of people of [TS]

00:13:21   my age and maybe a little bit younger [TS]

00:13:23   like they they kind of came up watching [TS]

00:13:25   a VHS home recorded copy that was the [TS]

00:13:28   early fall off the truck now the crazy [TS]

00:13:30   thing is um I was in military school for [TS]

00:13:33   a year 79 to 80 and we had a Betamax and [TS]

00:13:37   the deal was if we wanted movies we [TS]

00:13:38   would like pitch in like if you have [TS]

00:13:40   returned to get donated but you pitch in [TS]

00:13:42   cuz you could buy movies right but the [TS]

00:13:44   movies were about seventy to a hundred [TS]

00:13:46   dollars yeah we had a bait we had a [TS]

00:13:48   Betamax copy of mash we had the omen [TS]

00:13:51   which was totally inappropriate but uh [TS]

00:13:54   yeah and Bruce 100 bucks doing a copy of [TS]

00:13:56   mash of dollars but right I heard on [TS]

00:14:01   another podcast i think i want to say [TS]

00:14:03   maybe the flophouse that that that was [TS]

00:14:04   originally like they're basically [TS]

00:14:06   building in the cost for the idea that [TS]

00:14:07   video stores were going to be a thing [TS]

00:14:09   mmm yes so yeah that you'd buy it and [TS]

00:14:12   then like rent in a million times but i [TS]

00:14:13   don't know that seems so ludicrous now i [TS]

00:14:15   remember the other fallen off a truck [TS]

00:14:18   movie i remember and i was pretty [TS]

00:14:20   excited about it was i was probably his [TS]

00:14:23   tenth birthday my friend Joey had a [TS]

00:14:25   sleepover Joey's dad was a lawyer of [TS]

00:14:27   arguably ill repute given some of the [TS]

00:14:32   news coverage in the local town a lawyer [TS]

00:14:34   in New people fake news and so I don't [TS]

00:14:37   know 10 or 11 10 year olds sleeping over [TS]

00:14:40   at Joey's house we got pizza and Joey's [TS]

00:14:42   dad said he had a real treat force and [TS]

00:14:44   so Joey's dad says there's a treat for [TS]

00:14:48   you it might be good turns out somehow [TS]

00:14:50   the guy got a copy of empire strikes [TS]

00:14:53   back oh come on I sweat just like 1983 [TS]

00:14:57   so r it was like two years after it came [TS]

00:14:58   out it was probably we'd all seen it in [TS]

00:15:00   the theaters like because that was when [TS]

00:15:01   they'd have like next a year after it [TS]

00:15:02   came out they put it in theaters again [TS]

00:15:04   and it it was not letterboxed but it was [TS]

00:15:10   it was squished so Oh like you got to [TS]

00:15:16   see the hole and maybe not the whole [TS]

00:15:19   frame because that was like super wide [TS]

00:15:20   screen but you got to see more of the [TS]

00:15:22   picture but everybody looked like ig-88 [TS]

00:15:25   and ig-88 looked like a pencil [TS]

00:15:29   and like okay like when the Millennium [TS]

00:15:33   Falcon would like twist it would like [TS]

00:15:36   when it be flying one way it would look [TS]

00:15:38   fat and then it would like twist to go [TS]

00:15:40   through asteroids and it would like turn [TS]

00:15:41   into a piece of paper this still like so [TS]

00:15:43   similar thing still happens today like [TS]

00:15:45   if you're in a hotel and you know [TS]

00:15:46   they've got like this giant I don't know [TS]

00:15:48   why this happens they've got giant giant [TS]

00:15:49   giant tvs and like SD stations and [TS]

00:15:52   sometimes the settings are different [TS]

00:15:53   from channel to channel yeah some guys [TS]

00:15:55   I'm sure Todd could tell us what the [TS]

00:15:57   name for this is but gets real squished [TS]

00:15:58   up yep from some kind of mystery meat [TS]

00:16:00   aspect ratio yeah so oh my god oh still [TS]

00:16:03   he got a copy of this movie on VHS and [TS]

00:16:06   it was like once at first we were all we [TS]

00:16:09   are super excited then everybody was [TS]

00:16:10   like what the heck why is everything [TS]

00:16:11   squished and then we kind of figured out [TS]

00:16:14   what was going on and I was kind of [TS]

00:16:15   super happy about it because surprise [TS]

00:16:17   surprise even as a ten-year-old I was a [TS]

00:16:19   you know a bit of a nerd about hey just [TS]

00:16:22   you know pan and scan sucks I was kind [TS]

00:16:26   of once once once i got like five so [TS]

00:16:29   glad to learn the name for that cuz I [TS]

00:16:31   don't think I knew it back then i buy [TS]

00:16:32   watch everything you remember the James [TS]

00:16:34   Bond movies we're not a James Bond [TS]

00:16:35   movies would be on you'd be like whoa [TS]

00:16:37   that's that's weird like you never see [TS]

00:16:38   that kind of weird thing in a movie but [TS]

00:16:40   yeah told the James Bond movies were so [TS]

00:16:41   full of those yeah so anyway I was [TS]

00:16:44   really excited that's that's it was a [TS]

00:16:45   very fond memory so thank you Joey's dad [TS]

00:16:47   wherever you are nice memories all right [TS]

00:16:52   let me take a break I gotta feed I gotta [TS]

00:16:53   fit some of these will it come sponsors [TS]

00:16:57   in it's been a while since I've had an [TS]

00:16:59   episode I don't know it is one thing lit [TS]

00:17:01   it's a long story i'm not gonna tell [TS]

00:17:02   it's boring but yeah i got i got to [TS]

00:17:04   thank some of these sponsors and i love [TS]

00:17:05   them all i love them to death here's the [TS]

00:17:07   first 100 is a modern system of Wi-Fi [TS]

00:17:14   routers the single ma outer modeled it's [TS]

00:17:17   nonsense it we've moved past it this is [TS]

00:17:19   that's that's 1999 technology where you [TS]

00:17:21   buy a box stick it next to your cable [TS]

00:17:24   modem in whatever room that is and then [TS]

00:17:26   hope that the signal goes through all [TS]

00:17:28   the walls and floors of your house know [TS]

00:17:30   the right way to do it the modern way to [TS]

00:17:31   do it is to set up a mesh network you [TS]

00:17:33   buy it by the ear oh you get like three [TS]

00:17:36   or four these little pucks there eats [TS]

00:17:37   the size of Apple TV they're all the [TS]

00:17:39   same you just pick one whichever one the [TS]

00:17:41   first one you take out [TS]

00:17:42   box is the one you hook up to the cable [TS]

00:17:44   modem and that's like the master one and [TS]

00:17:46   then you hook up these other ones [TS]

00:17:48   throughout the house and they have a [TS]

00:17:49   helpful app that tells you to you know [TS]

00:17:51   the best strategy for where to place [TS]

00:17:53   them I think they even recommend a of [TS]

00:17:56   like a square footage they recommend one [TS]

00:17:58   for every thousand square feet they have [TS]

00:18:00   a beautiful app to put it on your iPhone [TS]

00:18:02   and the app lets you set everything up [TS]

00:18:04   you just tap tap tap and then all of a [TS]

00:18:07   sudden you've got a new Wi-Fi network in [TS]

00:18:09   your house that is a faster than [TS]

00:18:13   whatever you've already got if you've [TS]

00:18:14   got an old couple of years old router [TS]

00:18:16   and B will give you a signal that the [TS]

00:18:20   same all through your house so like if [TS]

00:18:22   you've got like a master bedroom two [TS]

00:18:23   floors up that gets a poor signal that's [TS]

00:18:26   not a problem anymore it works great I [TS]

00:18:29   don't know anybody who's got one of [TS]

00:18:30   these who doesn't think it's an upgrade [TS]

00:18:32   over whatever it is they replaced it [TS]

00:18:33   with is it perfect no nothing's perfect [TS]

00:18:36   but they've got great customer service [TS]

00:18:38   the app is great and they keep releasing [TS]

00:18:40   updates that keep making it better it's [TS]

00:18:43   really really great this is a great [TS]

00:18:44   company here it's currently rated four [TS]

00:18:47   point four stars on amazon with a [TS]

00:18:49   whopping 750 reviews they offer a one [TS]

00:18:52   year warranty and it will work with your [TS]

00:18:54   existing modem and internet service [TS]

00:18:56   you're just replacing the router that's [TS]

00:18:58   it so what do you can you get you get it [TS]

00:19:02   for three hundred ninety nine dollars [TS]

00:19:03   you get a three pack that's a hundred [TS]

00:19:04   dollars off and for 299 you get a 2-pack [TS]

00:19:07   that's fifty dollars off so go to ero [TS]

00:19:12   calm and use the code the talk show the [TS]

00:19:17   talk show and you'll get free expedited [TS]

00:19:20   shipping if you order if you listen to I [TS]

00:19:24   don't know when this shows going to pop [TS]

00:19:25   out of the the internet tubes but but [TS]

00:19:27   you could get one by the end of the week [TS]

00:19:29   so go ahead if you need a new from Josh [TS]

00:19:32   I want to say something that arrow I'll [TS]

00:19:34   tell you by era these guys are not [TS]

00:19:35   jackals they're not jackals this is the [TS]

00:19:37   real deal you gonna you put this in your [TS]

00:19:39   house first of all like you say you pick [TS]

00:19:41   any one of them you can mix them up you [TS]

00:19:42   can play a shell game you start with one [TS]

00:19:43   of these it tells you do do do the other [TS]

00:19:45   one do they don't now do the other one [TS]

00:19:46   and you know what parts of your house [TS]

00:19:48   that you thought just couldn't get the [TS]

00:19:50   internet you get the internet as my [TS]

00:19:51   friend Mike early says imagine that just [TS]

00:19:53   suddenly at certain points during the [TS]

00:19:55   day part of your house just [TS]

00:19:56   you can get electric like that's what it [TS]

00:19:57   feels like nowadays and this thing it [TS]

00:19:59   works a treat and that the app is just [TS]

00:20:00   terrific not Jackals it yeah really good [TS]

00:20:04   stuff I just love I always hated the way [TS]

00:20:07   with the other ones the old ones it was [TS]

00:20:09   one of the reasons I like the Apple 1 [TS]

00:20:11   i'm everyone apple used to make stuff [TS]

00:20:12   like this um I remember the other brand [TS]

00:20:14   right they used to be Apple yeah uh but [TS]

00:20:17   yeah other ones you used to like type in [TS]

00:20:19   a web browser like a magic localhost web [TS]

00:20:24   address and you'd get like the changes [TS]

00:20:26   68 dot one dot one or dot one dot 100 we [TS]

00:20:29   go in there and you could get into your [TS]

00:20:30   linksys admin admin I used to have a [TS]

00:20:35   list in NV alt of every default password [TS]

00:20:37   so no matter where i was there was a [TS]

00:20:40   pretty good chance like I get onto [TS]

00:20:41   somebody's wife oh I was good i don't [TS]

00:20:49   want to save it for the end i want to [TS]

00:20:50   get this out of the way because it's [TS]

00:20:51   important it's really it's why I got you [TS]

00:20:54   on the horn to see if you could come on [TS]

00:20:55   the show because i do feel i feel that [TS]

00:20:58   the technology press in general but even [TS]

00:21:03   in our circle where you know like i'd [TS]

00:21:06   say in general people say that the tech [TS]

00:21:08   industry a lot of people mean like but [TS]

00:21:11   like a 30 mile circle or you know around [TS]

00:21:14   san francisco and yeah its consumer [TS]

00:21:16   devices and your services and your [TS]

00:21:18   facebooks and the thing easy use to turn [TS]

00:21:20   on your internet lights right but [TS]

00:21:21   there's all sorts of other technology [TS]

00:21:23   and its advancing at quick paces and the [TS]

00:21:25   technology media doesn't cover it and [TS]

00:21:28   here's a bit of it that I that I [TS]

00:21:30   encountered this week I was watching [TS]

00:21:31   some of the college basketball on TV and [TS]

00:21:35   I saw a 15 second commercial from [TS]

00:21:38   american standard you familiar with this [TS]

00:21:40   company i am now yeah american standard [TS]

00:21:43   is a maker of toilets and urinals and [TS]

00:21:47   they probably peed on your feet on their [TS]

00:21:49   logo like when you go to a ball game [TS]

00:21:50   yeah we have a new technology called for [TS]

00:21:53   max it's anti splatter flush technology [TS]

00:21:56   now I'm going to put this I'm going to [TS]

00:21:59   put this in the show notes I have swear [TS]

00:22:01   to God I know it's a running joke that I [TS]

00:22:02   often say i'm going to put something in [TS]

00:22:04   the show notes this one's going in and [TS]

00:22:06   i'm going to put it at the top of the [TS]

00:22:08   list of links even if it's not that [TS]

00:22:09   first thing we talked about so what I [TS]

00:22:11   recommend for everybody listening is [TS]

00:22:13   pause the show hit pause in your little [TS]

00:22:17   podcast app go to the show notes and hit [TS]

00:22:19   the first thing it'll be very clearly [TS]

00:22:20   labeled american standard form ax anti [TS]

00:22:23   splatter flush technology and watch this [TS]

00:22:26   commercial it's 15 seconds so it's young [TS]

00:22:29   you'll be back here before you know it I [TS]

00:22:31   didn't I didn't realize it's clean you [TS]

00:22:41   know she shameless it's clean shame on [TS]

00:22:43   me I did not know what a problem this [TS]

00:22:45   was until I watched this spotter I saw [TS]

00:22:50   this commercial and the first thing I [TS]

00:22:52   thought was what the hell did I just see [TS]

00:22:55   and then the second thing I thought was [TS]

00:22:58   I gotta get I gotta show this to Merlin [TS]

00:23:00   hmm I've been reviewing their videos [TS]

00:23:05   they have they have a couple like funny [TS]

00:23:07   videos like this one that are very funny [TS]

00:23:09   and they have some that are really [TS]

00:23:11   straight that are actually very [TS]

00:23:13   upsetting I really can't recommend [TS]

00:23:16   because here's the thing John what a lot [TS]

00:23:18   of people don't understand is there's a [TS]

00:23:20   problem with splatter so I guess the [TS]

00:23:25   problem with splatter is that your [TS]

00:23:27   standard American low-flow toilet is not [TS]

00:23:29   doing a good enough job of sluicing [TS]

00:23:31   daddy splatter away in a way that's [TS]

00:23:33   accessible mom it's taken away it's [TS]

00:23:36   taking away the the bulk the bulk the [TS]

00:23:39   book yeah right mmm it shows the book [TS]

00:23:42   but misses the splatter it's taken away [TS]

00:23:45   the bulk it's taken away the yellow [TS]

00:23:46   right how many times has this happened [TS]

00:23:48   to you right with the splatter yeah no [TS]

00:23:53   no I mean Sam saying it's like an [TS]

00:23:54   infomercial now in some of the other [TS]

00:23:56   ones they illustrate how effectively [TS]

00:23:59   splatter is removed in one case I think [TS]

00:24:01   they like show you how to flush [TS]

00:24:02   ping-pong balls down your toilet but [TS]

00:24:04   there's one I really do not recommend [TS]

00:24:06   watching where they simulate splatter in [TS]

00:24:09   a toilet with what I'm hoping is fudge [TS]

00:24:12   Oh No there's master there's matter in [TS]

00:24:16   there you got you got yet it's like I'm [TS]

00:24:18   sure you got it's like somebody put [TS]

00:24:21   three dollars of Nutella it's like a [TS]

00:24:23   flight of new [TS]

00:24:23   hella across the back and then at the [TS]

00:24:25   bottom you got some kind of straw matter [TS]

00:24:27   i'm not sure what it is the boy just [TS]

00:24:29   cleans it right out the spider just [TS]

00:24:30   sluices right away all right in the [TS]

00:24:33   commercial that I'm talking about I feel [TS]

00:24:34   that every single aspect of this [TS]

00:24:36   commercial is worth analyzing so number [TS]

00:24:38   one it's so it starts very well done [TS]

00:24:40   still tight it starts with a bow [TS]

00:24:43   splattering ketchup on his on his polo [TS]

00:24:46   shirt now he seems he seems a bit of a [TS]

00:24:49   doddering fool I I'm really it's a cut [TS]

00:24:52   to retiree enjoying an outdoor meal [TS]

00:24:54   together and he's gonna put some cats [TS]

00:24:55   upon his wiener I feel is it a good [TS]

00:24:57   shake I feel it's one of these I feel [TS]

00:25:00   it's one of these couples though where [TS]

00:25:01   where huh bo is is in decline and wifey [TS]

00:25:06   is short still sharp its attack and she [TS]

00:25:08   suck starting to get a little a lot of a [TS]

00:25:10   little sick of us shit literally oh yeah [TS]

00:25:13   yeah no no oh I see what you're saying [TS]

00:25:17   how things are declining yeah oh god yes [TS]

00:25:20   maybe she could tell the hot dogs so [TS]

00:25:23   here's how I read it I read this story [TS]

00:25:24   as as uh bo is in decline and he's [TS]

00:25:30   splattering all over the toilet and the [TS]

00:25:33   wife is so sick of of this mess that [TS]

00:25:35   she's taking it into her own hands she's [TS]

00:25:38   done a mark oh and she's done a [TS]

00:25:39   deep-dive on toilets this is her [TS]

00:25:42   headphones right this is her headphones [TS]

00:25:43   and she's she is now completely up to [TS]

00:25:46   speed on modern flushing technology and [TS]

00:25:49   has replaced the toilet and it at least [TS]

00:25:51   in you know maybe all of them probably [TS]

00:25:53   they look well off so she could maybe [TS]

00:25:54   just you know come in and just get all [TS]

00:25:56   he can afford a toilet on their patio so [TS]

00:25:58   we haven't even gotten to that yet like [TS]

00:26:04   that's but what out here just to gaze he [TS]

00:26:06   can't make it inside no what's this [TS]

00:26:08   second charge for 259 oh she's had it [TS]

00:26:17   with splatter and she addresses the [TS]

00:26:19   audience all right it's illustrated with [TS]

00:26:22   with the blue material a pleasant blue [TS]

00:26:25   material which rings a bell from some [TS]

00:26:27   feminine hygiene product commercials [TS]

00:26:29   I've seen seen over the years oh right [TS]

00:26:32   it always absorbs blue right there's [TS]

00:26:34   going blue is the universal seems to be [TS]

00:26:37   the unit [TS]

00:26:37   persol color for what are otherwise [TS]

00:26:40   considered unpleasant bodily emissions [TS]

00:26:44   nothing we emit is blue blue does seem [TS]

00:26:47   to be a nice color and so if you want to [TS]

00:26:49   illustrate the absorbency of say a [TS]

00:26:54   tampon or a feminine napkin or a [TS]

00:26:58   splatter on a toilet you use you use [TS]

00:27:01   blue mm-hmm you know now I'm just [TS]

00:27:08   scrubbing a little bit here they have a [TS]

00:27:11   toilet on their deck just sitting there [TS]

00:27:15   it bothers me a little bit it's headed [TS]

00:27:18   tilted angle it's not quite squared up [TS]

00:27:20   aligned with the decks of the the planks [TS]

00:27:23   ago that would that would drive down [TS]

00:27:24   weed drive cable crazy yeah that [TS]

00:27:25   misalignment like who installed that why [TS]

00:27:29   what's the deal yeah get a nice oiled [TS]

00:27:33   like this you know I think you want to [TS]

00:27:34   invest in it in a proper yeah I mean [TS]

00:27:37   this is it's it's hard this is a little [TS]

00:27:39   bit like like a Marquez commercial I [TS]

00:27:41   think it's a little bit magically real [TS]

00:27:42   yeah yeah a lot I realized that I do [TS]

00:27:46   realize all all joking aside I realized [TS]

00:27:48   that we're not meant to assume that they [TS]

00:27:51   that this is depicting a couple who [TS]

00:27:53   literally put a open-air toilet on their [TS]

00:27:56   deck yeah I realized that they're taking [TS]

00:27:58   shortcuts for the sake of brevity in [TS]

00:28:02   that style that was sort of maybe [TS]

00:28:05   epitomized by um i forget i don't know i [TS]

00:28:10   don't know what i'm talking about but [TS]

00:28:12   you know a sort of absurdist style oh [TS]

00:28:14   yes come on yes um even you go back to [TS]

00:28:17   the days of the tidy Bowl man tidy Bowl [TS]

00:28:19   man got a little Commodore and your [TS]

00:28:21   toads yeah he swam around in there he [TS]

00:28:23   lived in there he look he looks pretty [TS]

00:28:24   happy in there yeah even though even [TS]

00:28:26   though when there was whether it was not [TS]

00:28:29   good whoa that's the forecast captain [TS]

00:28:33   splatter splatter mm all right i think [TS]

00:28:40   the commercial is notable even without [TS]

00:28:43   the capper yeah but the capper [TS]

00:28:47   hmm really I I swear I almost had a [TS]

00:28:52   stroke when the woman's head popped out [TS]

00:28:54   of the toilet woman's head pops out of [TS]

00:28:56   the trailer she says it's clean she [TS]

00:28:57   announces its clean and this is a light [TS]

00:29:00   motif now if you watch the one called [TS]

00:29:02   clinger you see clinger no i did not see [TS]

00:29:04   Cole click over there on the right go to [TS]

00:29:06   go to american standard form ax toilet [TS]

00:29:08   go to clinger take a minute enjoy that [TS]

00:29:10   one all right all right yep mm-hmm and [TS]

00:29:24   there's a third one called skid marks [TS]

00:29:26   were you aware of how insufficient the [TS]

00:29:33   flushing technology is in your toilets [TS]

00:29:35   in your house when we get to the [TS]

00:29:37   analysis phase of this I have I do have [TS]

00:29:39   a lot of thoughts on this but I know I [TS]

00:29:42   have to be honest with you barring let's [TS]

00:29:44   say the bathroom at a cinema or a sports [TS]

00:29:47   event I do not encounter these problems [TS]

00:29:50   as much and we've got a pretty low flow [TS]

00:29:52   old-school toilet dingus maybe we're [TS]

00:29:58   just lucky you know maybe it's the [TS]

00:29:59   probiotics I don't know something you [TS]

00:30:01   working for us pounce I'm blessed oui [TS]

00:30:03   oui but there's so much to it cuz like [TS]

00:30:07   you know part of it is also it implies [TS]

00:30:09   not only that this guy causes splatter [TS]

00:30:12   but he doesn't notice it and doesn't [TS]

00:30:14   like give a second you know back up [TS]

00:30:16   flush the old guy yeah right yeah how [TS]

00:30:19   about if I if I went in and let's be [TS]

00:30:21   honest we all ruin a bathroom sometimes [TS]

00:30:23   it happens it's part of being an adult [TS]

00:30:24   if I went in there and really shamed if [TS]

00:30:27   i shamed the bathroom I would want to do [TS]

00:30:29   a little bit of cleanup maybe light a [TS]

00:30:30   match to shoot a little bit of a little [TS]

00:30:32   bit of glade right but I would most [TS]

00:30:34   definitely do do a visual inspection of [TS]

00:30:37   the bowl right for a skid mark or a [TS]

00:30:40   spotter or if you like a clinger give [TS]

00:30:42   the toilet a chance to catch its breath [TS]

00:30:44   refill the bowl right [TS]

00:30:47   a second chance yeah like a full flush [TS]

00:30:49   though you know what I mean like if you [TS]

00:30:50   don't wait if you don't wait you kind of [TS]

00:30:52   get like a you get a Wimpy flush you [TS]

00:30:54   know I mean it's you gotta catch your [TS]

00:30:56   breath it's like the flush is like 100 [TS]

00:30:57   yard dash if you want it to run another [TS]

00:31:00   hundred yard dash you got to give it a [TS]

00:31:01   chance to catch its breath if you tell [TS]

00:31:02   going which this is a chance for you to [TS]

00:31:04   you could wash your hands you could look [TS]

00:31:05   at your phone you go through somebody's [TS]

00:31:06   medicine cabinet could definitely should [TS]

00:31:09   be washing your hands right is this too [TS]

00:31:13   gross John no I mean this is obviously [TS]

00:31:16   this is a real problem this is uh you [TS]

00:31:18   know yeah I don't know I my guess is [TS]

00:31:22   that they started with here's a [TS]

00:31:25   complaint I do here is you know the [TS]

00:31:27   whole low flow problem of like the [TS]

00:31:29   modern house you get a low-flow shower [TS]

00:31:31   that's not satisfying you get a toilet [TS]

00:31:34   that requires like six flushes people [TS]

00:31:37   get frustrated about that what's [TS]

00:31:39   interesting about this though is like [TS]

00:31:40   also if you watch there if one more the [TS]

00:31:43   sort of person to watch many videos from [TS]

00:31:45   this company about how the toilets are [TS]

00:31:47   made if you wore that sort of person you [TS]

00:31:49   see they're really also playing up how [TS]

00:31:51   easy it is to clean they've done [TS]

00:31:53   something revolutionary with the outer [TS]

00:31:54   rim so you don't get germs and matter on [TS]

00:31:58   the outside no you know I I think one [TS]

00:32:02   thing though I think that when [TS]

00:32:03   middle-class white people are upgrading [TS]

00:32:07   I think the kitchens kitchens are one [TS]

00:32:09   people put a lot of money in their [TS]

00:32:10   kitchens and I think people really like [TS]

00:32:13   putting money into their bathroom yeah [TS]

00:32:15   don't you think oh I do too i think it's [TS]

00:32:18   it's it's a very modern way of upgrading [TS]

00:32:23   your house i mean when you and I were [TS]

00:32:25   kids I mean your bathroom was I mean not [TS]

00:32:28   that they wouldn't you know it simply is [TS]

00:32:30   it cleaner is it not clean and that [TS]

00:32:32   meant it was a nice bathroom or not a [TS]

00:32:33   nice bathroom and that was it but like [TS]

00:32:35   it just it was like everybody had the [TS]

00:32:37   same sink it was just it's just a white [TS]

00:32:39   rectangle yeah my grandparents second in [TS]

00:32:42   their half bath had a wooden toilet seat [TS]

00:32:44   I'll never forget harrowing and the only [TS]

00:32:48   real the only real option was whether [TS]

00:32:50   you got the you got to two faucets hot [TS]

00:32:55   and a cold or if you had one and you [TS]

00:32:58   kind of you know stir it around like a [TS]

00:33:00   joystick to adjust the temperature [TS]

00:33:01   and that was it you didn't have any [TS]

00:33:02   other choices it all came out of the [TS]

00:33:04   same spigot and now it's you know people [TS]

00:33:06   yeah people are getting deluxe toilets [TS]

00:33:09   european-style toilets when you get a [TS]

00:33:11   todo on there yeah that's a popular [TS]

00:33:13   that's a popular thing I'm not familiar [TS]

00:33:15   what is what is that Oh toto it's a it's [TS]

00:33:17   like an aftermarket bday ah there I've [TS]

00:33:20   seen its it squirts squirts hot water [TS]

00:33:22   onto your downstairs yeah well that [TS]

00:33:25   sounds better than it sounds first you [TS]

00:33:27   scoff and then pretty soon you're ready [TS]

00:33:29   to give it a ring it's quite a it's [TS]

00:33:32   quite a thing yeah well cut cock tease [TS]

00:33:35   been on this for years I must be too [TS]

00:33:37   might even be 10 years ago rakaat Keef [TS]

00:33:39   you know broke the barrier let's let's [TS]

00:33:41   talk about this stuff would you you know [TS]

00:33:43   would you clean let's just say like well [TS]

00:33:46   there's a fine example from the earlier [TS]

00:33:49   commercial let's say that a member of [TS]

00:33:52   your family ate a hot dog with ketchup [TS]

00:33:54   on it on your plate would you wash that [TS]

00:33:57   plate with a dry paper towel yank you [TS]

00:34:00   better give it a quick swipe and then [TS]

00:34:01   just put it back in the cab of dry paper [TS]

00:34:02   towel and then put that in the couch on [TS]

00:34:04   other other countries think that we are [TS]

00:34:06   monstrous well I think that date well [TS]

00:34:09   you know what save it God might have [TS]

00:34:14   been a canary in the coal mine actually [TS]

00:34:15   do you think about it they might have [TS]

00:34:18   been on something I sent you to this [TS]

00:34:20   page on the form ax toilet technology [TS]

00:34:23   site boy they got trademarks on [TS]

00:34:25   everything yeah so you checked out the [TS]

00:34:28   the various different models they got [TS]

00:34:29   white label versions of this toilet you [TS]

00:34:31   know a different place to take at the [TS]

00:34:32   Heritage they got the astute the esteem [TS]

00:34:35   and optum they in the Ultima they seem [TS]

00:34:38   to all be the same toilet they look [TS]

00:34:40   exactly the same and there's but there's [TS]

00:34:43   a different name for the one at lowe's [TS]

00:34:45   and a different name for the one at home [TS]

00:34:47   depot see it's like my mattress is [TS]

00:34:49   exactly the rack addresses yeah the [TS]

00:34:51   esteem mmm exclusively at Lowe's you [TS]

00:34:56   know what I'll bet somebody's going to [TS]

00:34:57   come along and disrupt the toilet [TS]

00:34:59   industry and i'll be i'll be selling [TS]

00:35:01   toilets on this podcast within a year I [TS]

00:35:03   think you might be on to something you [TS]

00:35:05   think about you think about the [TS]

00:35:07   disruptions in industry you can have [TS]

00:35:09   silver Underpants you could get you get [TS]

00:35:11   yourself an internet mattress all right [TS]

00:35:13   there's so many of these new [TS]

00:35:15   kinds of services you could get like a [TS]

00:35:17   box full of socks internet eyeglasses [TS]

00:35:19   internet I glass is huge but there still [TS]

00:35:22   is still a big a big Pole if you like [TS]

00:35:24   waiters waiting to be filled with [TS]

00:35:26   internet toilets so what would that be [TS]

00:35:30   now what are you going to be the first [TS]

00:35:31   of all it's got to be affordable it's [TS]

00:35:32   got to come an impossibly small box and [TS]

00:35:35   engineered in America it'll be in the [TS]

00:35:38   toilet arrives you can carry up the [TS]

00:35:39   stairs by yourself you slit open the [TS]

00:35:43   package it goes and in the toilet comes [TS]

00:35:46   to life it's probably Wi-Fi enabled it's [TS]

00:35:48   got push notifications if you know what [TS]

00:35:49   I mean you know what know why fight you [TS]

00:35:50   probably get it on the Wi-Fi first and [TS]

00:35:52   it it hmm I was gonna suggest he'll get [TS]

00:35:56   up to your ear oh yeah I was going to [TS]

00:35:58   suggest that it have a camera but that's [TS]

00:35:59   not right I'm here so how I think it [TS]

00:36:01   would because you don't want a camera on [TS]

00:36:02   the toilet I'm gonna say when it comes [TS]

00:36:04   with an app that you put on your phone [TS]

00:36:07   and then it can use your phone camera [TS]

00:36:08   and you just point it at your old toilet [TS]

00:36:11   and it it it'll do like a okay here's [TS]

00:36:13   the water hookup and whatever and then [TS]

00:36:16   oh right it'll just install itself yeah [TS]

00:36:19   I got you know I wouldn't I wouldn't say [TS]

00:36:22   it's not going to happen because people [TS]

00:36:24   people are interested in technology [TS]

00:36:25   there are things in my home right now [TS]

00:36:27   that are unnecessarily complex technical [TS]

00:36:30   technological products I could never [TS]

00:36:32   have imagined owning like existing let [TS]

00:36:37   alone owning ten years ago yeah you know [TS]

00:36:40   you know and a lot of things start out [TS]

00:36:42   as jokes and everybody thinks it's a [TS]

00:36:44   joke and then it becomes you know [TS]

00:36:46   becomes a real thing you know like some [TS]

00:36:48   of the gags in back to the future when [TS]

00:36:50   they went into the future you know and [TS]

00:36:52   now yeah you know you've got these [TS]

00:36:53   things you know like the hoverboards and [TS]

00:36:55   whatnot you we laugh about it but you [TS]

00:36:58   wait and see you wait and see if these [TS]

00:37:00   internet toilets if they won't let you [TS]

00:37:01   take one right out on the deck hello [TS]

00:37:06   wheels on it and you can just lock it'll [TS]

00:37:09   detect when you sit down and then to [TS]

00:37:11   lock the wheels so you're not sliding [TS]

00:37:12   around while you're while you're doing [TS]

00:37:14   your business I think it have to slide [TS]

00:37:15   unlock because you don't want everybody [TS]

00:37:20   just using your patio toilet right right [TS]

00:37:23   I mean save something for me yeah it's [TS]

00:37:27   funny like we'd mentioned you know for [TS]

00:37:28   example we might want to talk [TS]

00:37:29   voice stuff that that voice stuff to me [TS]

00:37:31   is just one example of many things where [TS]

00:37:33   like it is funny where we are right now [TS]

00:37:35   with voice and I have to admit I'm a [TS]

00:37:37   little bit obsessed with voice stuff and [TS]

00:37:38   what it portends for the future for [TS]

00:37:42   worse or mostly better in my opinion but [TS]

00:37:44   it is very interesting to live at this [TS]

00:37:45   time where you can kind of have your [TS]

00:37:46   feet in these these two different sides [TS]

00:37:48   of the creek or on the one hand it is [TS]

00:37:50   incredible what you can do with your [TS]

00:37:51   voice but it is also incredible how [TS]

00:37:53   terrible it is so much of the time we [TS]

00:37:55   are really we are living through a very [TS]

00:37:57   interesting transition now something [TS]

00:37:59   like Wi-Fi I was just think about this [TS]

00:38:00   the other day like I'm trying to [TS]

00:38:01   remember when I first had exposure to [TS]

00:38:03   Wi-Fi and I think I remember becoming a [TS]

00:38:06   biggie a big deal around the time i [TS]

00:38:08   first went to the etek the emerging [TS]

00:38:09   technology conference would make that [TS]

00:38:11   probably 2002 and there's the no cat [TS]

00:38:14   guys and was such a big deal and I had [TS]

00:38:15   like I think an Orinoco card for my wall [TS]

00:38:17   street laptop you know stuck outside [TS]

00:38:19   could get the impossibly slow and that [TS]

00:38:23   seemed like it seemed like a parlor [TS]

00:38:24   trick like why don't you just want to [TS]

00:38:26   just plug in ethernet John right like [TS]

00:38:28   what are you supply an ethernet for this [TS]

00:38:29   thing it's like well no no there's this [TS]

00:38:30   new thing and it's even get your [TS]

00:38:32   internet through the air and my first [TS]

00:38:34   experience with that had been on a palm [TS]

00:38:36   7 I think would be my first like really [TS]

00:38:39   like kind of connected device I think [TS]

00:38:40   number at palm 7 it was huge and had [TS]

00:38:43   that big-ass antenna yeah I was about to [TS]

00:38:45   say is that the one with the big game [TS]

00:38:46   tenant like a cigar a cigar denied ever [TS]

00:38:49   antenna coming out the side or the time [TS]

00:38:51   and it was if memory serves it was very [TS]

00:38:54   costly very slow very limited it was [TS]

00:38:57   essentially like you know whap style [TS]

00:38:59   functionality but it was on your ass on [TS]

00:39:01   your palm pilot I well so it seemed [TS]

00:39:03   amazing it was a breakthrough though [TS]

00:39:05   because laptops in general were a [TS]

00:39:07   premium computing device they were far [TS]

00:39:09   more expensive than the equivalent [TS]

00:39:11   horsepower was a rich man's device a [TS]

00:39:13   rich trance device but really all it was [TS]

00:39:15   effectively was a way to move your [TS]

00:39:18   computing and it the big advantage to it [TS]

00:39:22   was that the cloud was no we're back [TS]

00:39:23   then we didn't even have clouds we don't [TS]

00:39:26   have clouds so if you wanted your stuff [TS]

00:39:28   in two different places like work and [TS]

00:39:32   home or you know work and a road trip [TS]

00:39:37   you needed to take the device with you [TS]

00:39:39   but you would just move from one like [TS]

00:39:42   work stay [TS]

00:39:43   Shin set up desk to another where you [TS]

00:39:45   already had things like an Ethernet jack [TS]

00:39:49   ready to go like you couldn't yeah [TS]

00:39:51   anywhere using apps it was a big deal [TS]

00:39:53   when you first got these like fairly [TS]

00:39:55   they're nerdy but it was like basically [TS]

00:39:57   a GUI to like our Sangha where you go [TS]

00:40:00   like put them on the same network and [TS]

00:40:01   say okay these two folders make sure [TS]

00:40:02   they match like that's pretty much the [TS]

00:40:04   extent of it but the idea that you could [TS]

00:40:06   just you know move from the kitchen [TS]

00:40:10   counter to the kitchen table and no [TS]

00:40:12   longer be within arm's length of the [TS]

00:40:15   wall where the Ethernet port is was [TS]

00:40:18   ludicrous and last you were going to do [TS]

00:40:20   something like just you know whatever [TS]

00:40:22   you do with the computer when it's not [TS]

00:40:24   connected to an Internet that seems so [TS]

00:40:27   strange now right yeah yeah um I think [TS]

00:40:32   the voice stuff it is it's it's early [TS]

00:40:35   days but early days in a far less [TS]

00:40:38   technical way than the computers the [TS]

00:40:41   text based computers of our youth but [TS]

00:40:43   there's an analogy there right and [TS]

00:40:45   obviously the technology that's involved [TS]

00:40:48   to just have the most rudimentary yo [TS]

00:40:52   dingus what's the weather and have a [TS]

00:40:54   thing that within however many seconds [TS]

00:40:57   it is to recognize the speech and turn [TS]

00:41:00   it into a command and then go out and [TS]

00:41:02   get weather data for the location that [TS]

00:41:04   you're at is obviously it would have [TS]

00:41:07   taken like a TI 99 for a like it would [TS]

00:41:10   if it either say you had a perfectly [TS]

00:41:12   working program that could do that for [TS]

00:41:13   that program it would still be running [TS]

00:41:15   right now like 37 years later still not [TS]

00:41:20   quite done yet so there's a total [TS]

00:41:24   difference in terms of the just like [TS]

00:41:28   just pure bits per second of computation [TS]

00:41:31   that's involved to get it but there's [TS]

00:41:32   some similarities in the crudeness of of [TS]

00:41:37   how these things work in a way that like [TS]

00:41:40   a command line environment you've got to [TS]

00:41:43   know the exact right command to delete a [TS]

00:41:45   file right if you're on my boss you have [TS]

00:41:47   to type del wasn't it del for delete del [TS]

00:41:50   space filename and on unix it was RM you [TS]

00:41:53   couldn't just type trash this file you [TS]

00:41:55   right merit and it's the same way with [TS]

00:41:58   voice you've got to know these you know [TS]

00:41:59   you gotta say there are door especially [TS]

00:42:01   the thing is what you um such a common [TS]

00:42:04   theme that comes up again and again or [TS]

00:42:06   are these trade-offs they were just [TS]

00:42:07   talking about this on ATP like they [TS]

00:42:09   always do but you know the kind of [TS]

00:42:10   trade-offs where for example if you want [TS]

00:42:12   your air pause to do more stuff will be [TS]

00:42:14   careful what you ask for because they [TS]

00:42:16   are they're very streamlined right now [TS]

00:42:18   they're good at this thing that they do [TS]

00:42:19   mostly yeah i mean i wish like the serie [TS]

00:42:22   on air pods is pretty slow yeah it's too [TS]

00:42:27   slow like I yeah it's not mean and I [TS]

00:42:29   guess we'll talk more about this but I I [TS]

00:42:31   have been really just to you know one [TS]

00:42:33   thing I've been doing is I mentioned [TS]

00:42:35   this on other programs but I've been [TS]

00:42:36   making myself from Friday evening [TS]

00:42:38   through as much as possible of Saturday [TS]

00:42:40   I've been trying to set myself to using [TS]

00:42:42   voice for everything that I can in lieu [TS]

00:42:44   of other things and if I can't yeah go [TS]

00:42:46   use the computer or whatever but like [TS]

00:42:48   try to be mindful for about a one day a [TS]

00:42:50   week of trying to figure out more stuff [TS]

00:42:52   that I can and possibly should do with [TS]

00:42:54   voice and it has been very illuminating [TS]

00:42:56   I mean not least of which you learn how [TS]

00:42:59   much stuff is really not ready yet but [TS]

00:43:01   there's a surprising amount of stuff and [TS]

00:43:03   I mean the MacGuffin here is that you [TS]

00:43:05   know by making yourself do this and [TS]

00:43:06   being mindful about it just for this [TS]

00:43:08   period of time you know you remember to [TS]

00:43:11   try stuff more and if you try it and it [TS]

00:43:13   doesn't work you might say well then [TS]

00:43:15   what's the incantation right so like [TS]

00:43:17   with you know as far as these trailer so [TS]

00:43:18   just to get dial that's one reason I'm [TS]

00:43:19   so obsessed but with Alexa good sorry [TS]

00:43:24   with the lady in a tube I get an email [TS]

00:43:28   every friday from amazon it's like well [TS]

00:43:31   here's this new stuff that it does and [TS]

00:43:33   it's you know frequently as stuff like [TS]

00:43:34   hey i asked about cricket or whatever [TS]

00:43:36   but then other times if there is really [TS]

00:43:37   legitimately a pretty amazing stuff to [TS]

00:43:40   enable a lot of that you got to get into [TS]

00:43:42   skills and once you get into skills now [TS]

00:43:43   you're getting more into what you're [TS]

00:43:44   describing as being with the command [TS]

00:43:46   line because you go from just being able [TS]

00:43:48   to issue a raw command to basically [TS]

00:43:50   hailing a skill inside and then knowing [TS]

00:43:53   what the mojo is inside of there but [TS]

00:43:54   honestly it's not it's not that that [TS]

00:43:57   difficult all right this morning I see [TS]

00:44:00   via friend Joe steel I see now you can [TS]

00:44:03   if you have prime now available in your [TS]

00:44:05   area you can order prime now over your [TS]

00:44:08   lady in a tube [TS]

00:44:09   so like I just I talked to my tube this [TS]

00:44:11   morning I said hey tube reorder cat [TS]

00:44:14   litter it said okay here's this recent [TS]

00:44:16   thing in your order for cat litter is [TS]

00:44:18   that the one you want yeah okay that's [TS]

00:44:19   not enough money do you want to add [TS]

00:44:20   anything else to it yeah sure add that [TS]

00:44:22   so I don't know I ie I guess I just feel [TS]

00:44:26   like in order in order to like sort of [TS]

00:44:28   I'd say keep up but to really have some [TS]

00:44:31   kind of a foothold and where stuff is [TS]

00:44:33   going you know I can understand why [TS]

00:44:34   people are reluctant to use this stuff [TS]

00:44:36   for so so many reasons but I really kind [TS]

00:44:39   of feel like if you want to be somewhat [TS]

00:44:42   forward-looking and modern about what's [TS]

00:44:45   happening you really can't afford to [TS]

00:44:47   totally overlooked this and write it off [TS]

00:44:48   as silly Buck Rogers stuff it's getting [TS]

00:44:51   better at a noticeable clip and it's it [TS]

00:44:56   still is terrible but yeah right but [TS]

00:45:00   when something and computing is terrible [TS]

00:45:02   but you can see it getting better if you [TS]

00:45:04   just pay attention month to month you [TS]

00:45:06   know it's going to get good soon and if [TS]

00:45:08   you're you're going to miss out on all [TS]

00:45:09   the it's all the interesting stuff is [TS]

00:45:12   going to happen between now and then [TS]

00:45:13   like once it's good and everybody takes [TS]

00:45:16   it for granted it's no longer [TS]

00:45:17   interesting right everything seems [TS]

00:45:20   impossible or dumb until it's something [TS]

00:45:21   you're using every day and you go we'll [TS]

00:45:22   of course that's that's always been how [TS]

00:45:24   we how it is all right you noticed last [TS]

00:45:26   night I think were you on that thread [TS]

00:45:27   last night where somebody mentioned that [TS]

00:45:28   suddenly out of nowhere was it Michael [TS]

00:45:31   yeah I think it was my son our friend of [TS]

00:45:33   the show Michael Heilmann well and he [TS]

00:45:35   points something out that like is [TS]

00:45:36   definitely like a known problem that has [TS]

00:45:39   suddenly been fixed other people like no [TS]

00:45:41   it's always been this way in my house [TS]

00:45:43   you goes in my house if you say hey [TS]

00:45:46   dingus but like it's like five different [TS]

00:45:49   things light up right so if I say hey [TS]

00:45:51   dingus so here's here's the thing that I [TS]

00:45:53   say most to a dingus all the time hey [TS]

00:45:55   dingus remind me to take out the pasta [TS]

00:45:58   in eight minutes hmm but whip up and [TS]

00:46:00   suddenly oh there's all these Scottish [TS]

00:46:02   ladies talking all at the same time like [TS]

00:46:03   trying to remind me about pasta [TS]

00:46:05   apparently they just pulled in Amazon [TS]

00:46:06   echo and they seem to be using what [TS]

00:46:10   proximity because I tested it last night [TS]

00:46:12   and it it works in a way like it's not [TS]

00:46:15   doing firing multiple devices anymore [TS]

00:46:17   its fires multiple devices does you see [TS]

00:46:19   a blank on the screen but only lost one [TS]

00:46:21   says I got it in hand [TS]

00:46:22   that's exactly right so now finally my [TS]

00:46:24   stupid watch is like slightly usable cuz [TS]

00:46:27   I'll be two rooms away from any other [TS]

00:46:29   iOS device screaming into my watch to [TS]

00:46:31   please hear me it never hears me and in [TS]

00:46:34   the other room you're like I want a San [TS]

00:46:36   Francisco is like ah but that's that [TS]

00:46:40   kind of advancement I mean that sounds [TS]

00:46:41   subtle sounds dumb but like that kind of [TS]

00:46:44   stuff you're right it's happening faster [TS]

00:46:45   dictation continues to be getting so [TS]

00:46:48   much better now a used to never send [TS]

00:46:50   texts that way I mean once you learn the [TS]

00:46:52   incantation of hey dingus and tell john [TS]

00:46:56   gruber kiss my house like once you learn [TS]

00:46:58   the incantation of how to do that it [TS]

00:46:59   really does kind of just work I don't [TS]

00:47:02   understand how this is working node like [TS]

00:47:03   here's one chase gallagher jumped in to [TS]

00:47:06   the Twitter thread and said it's not [TS]

00:47:07   just I cloud-connected his work phone [TS]

00:47:10   and personal phone are not linked in any [TS]

00:47:12   way and only one will trigger I don't [TS]

00:47:14   understand how that's working I guess [TS]

00:47:18   like I should try it with I haven't [TS]

00:47:20   experimented with this because this is [TS]

00:47:22   like you said it is something that Apple [TS]

00:47:23   obviously improved but yeah it's got it [TS]

00:47:26   has to have been I'm gonna stay on the [TS]

00:47:27   outside within the last two weeks I'm [TS]

00:47:29   feeling like within the last few days [TS]

00:47:30   very new like I should put like like me [TS]

00:47:34   and my wife's iPhones right next to each [TS]

00:47:36   other and see how this works and how it [TS]

00:47:38   decides which one to use fast you have [TS]

00:47:40   multiple do multiple amazon dinguses no [TS]

00:47:43   just one amazon dingus well we are i [TS]

00:47:45   have to admit a multiple dingus house [TS]

00:47:46   and Amazon's had this for I don't know [TS]

00:47:49   month or more and it really it works [TS]

00:47:51   unevenly but well yeah meaning like if [TS]

00:47:56   I'm an earshot of three different ladies [TS]

00:47:59   in a tube I can see the ring the blue [TS]

00:48:02   ring fires off you know that's a cool [TS]

00:48:04   thing where you can see where it thinks [TS]

00:48:05   The Voice is coming from so yeah [TS]

00:48:06   something fires off joe jonas pointed [TS]

00:48:09   that out to me and then once I only [TS]

00:48:10   figured this out like two months ago [TS]

00:48:11   that it's saying here's where I think [TS]

00:48:14   the voices it's pointing at you yeah but [TS]

00:48:16   I could see two or three different [TS]

00:48:17   dinguses fire off its kind of uneven [TS]

00:48:19   which one ends up doing the execution [TS]

00:48:22   but it it doesn't it will not execute [TS]

00:48:25   more than one at a time but I don't know [TS]

00:48:30   if this is something that again they [TS]

00:48:31   talked about the Sun ATP recently and I [TS]

00:48:33   was totally in Syracuse's corner over [TS]

00:48:34   saying like it's hard [TS]

00:48:36   describe this until you really do start [TS]

00:48:38   using it it's very very abstract until [TS]

00:48:41   you kind of set yourself to the task of [TS]

00:48:42   doing this you become less [TS]

00:48:43   self-conscious about it you try more [TS]

00:48:45   things you do more stuff and so if I'm [TS]

00:48:48   forever just walking around adding [TS]

00:48:49   things to like a shopping list to wear [TS]

00:48:51   now I feel like a monster having to sit [TS]

00:48:53   down and type that it feels really silly [TS]

00:48:54   i use ifttt to sync up my amazon lists [TS]

00:48:58   with my reminders so do you do that no [TS]

00:49:00   it's pretty cool we just go die FTT and [TS]

00:49:02   you basically say when a new on when a [TS]

00:49:04   new item is added to my amazon shopping [TS]

00:49:07   list add that to this reminders list and [TS]

00:49:09   in what anything I mean like the iOS [TS]

00:49:11   reminders app or not the Apple reminders [TS]

00:49:14   Apple yeah exactly yeah that's actually [TS]

00:49:17   pretty powerful so that and then if [TS]

00:49:19   you're a super nerd you know you don't [TS]

00:49:21   have to be like Federico vtg level nerd [TS]

00:49:23   but you can also do stuff like then say [TS]

00:49:25   like hook you can hook that up with for [TS]

00:49:27   example OmniFocus right so when you add [TS]

00:49:29   something to that list the next time you [TS]

00:49:30   open OmniFocus tits it sucks it out of [TS]

00:49:32   that list or you know to do a store [TS]

00:49:34   whatever you like to use but yeah I [TS]

00:49:36   don't know I don't know I hits I have [TS]

00:49:39   this I have this theory about this that [TS]

00:49:42   I have yet to prove and I haven't given [TS]

00:49:45   it that much thought but somebody [TS]

00:49:47   written into back to work to ask us [TS]

00:49:48   about like oh god is this the future is [TS]

00:49:50   the future going to be like people in my [TS]

00:49:51   office talking into Excel and I was like [TS]

00:49:53   my I know I I kind of don't think it is [TS]

00:49:56   because I kind of feel like there's [TS]

00:49:58   these parts to the voice thing that you [TS]

00:50:01   don't get if all you see is somebody [TS]

00:50:02   being a dingus and talking into the air [TS]

00:50:04   the voice is one part the voice yeah [TS]

00:50:07   that's the parlor trick but it's but [TS]

00:50:09   what's behind the voice right it's that [TS]

00:50:11   I don't know what you want to call it [TS]

00:50:13   the functionality the scripting in some [TS]

00:50:16   cases the AI or machine learning [TS]

00:50:17   whatever it is but that middle layer of [TS]

00:50:19   what it does with what heard if it heard [TS]

00:50:20   it well what it does with that that's [TS]

00:50:23   maybe the important part and then the [TS]

00:50:25   third part is the ubiquity so I mean I [TS]

00:50:27   have this idea that I'm kind of bubbling [TS]

00:50:30   around which is that I wonder if voice [TS]

00:50:31   ends up historically being the least [TS]

00:50:34   important part of that stack voice voice [TS]

00:50:36   is the parlor trick that's fun to use [TS]

00:50:38   but I think that you the idea of that [TS]

00:50:40   kind of ubiquitous availability first [TS]

00:50:44   did you follow where I'm going with this [TS]

00:50:45   like I don't think you're gonna have to [TS]

00:50:47   talk into Excel i think that there's [TS]

00:50:49   been more [TS]

00:50:49   more bespoke remote devices that do your [TS]

00:50:52   bidding without you needing to know how [TS]

00:50:54   to do our M dash are all right hold that [TS]

00:50:56   thought hold that thought because I want [TS]

00:50:57   to keep going with this but i want to i [TS]

00:50:59   got a break in here i told you about by [TS]

00:51:01   an eye glasses online will look oh come [TS]

00:51:03   on it really is it's a friend warby [TS]

00:51:05   parker they make buying my glasses [TS]

00:51:06   online easy and risk-free they believe [TS]

00:51:08   glasses should be viewed as a fashion [TS]

00:51:10   accessory just like a bag shoe necktie [TS]

00:51:14   hat I mean how many pairs of shoes do [TS]

00:51:16   you have you have one pair of shoes why [TS]

00:51:17   world with joining of one pair of [TS]

00:51:19   glasses well the reason some people [TS]

00:51:20   would because they cost hundreds of [TS]

00:51:21   dollars well guess what warby parkers [TS]

00:51:23   glasses start at just $95 including the [TS]

00:51:28   prescription lenses they don't give you [TS]

00:51:30   a crazy upsell just on anti glare and [TS]

00:51:33   anti-scratch they give you the anti [TS]

00:51:35   glare in the anti scratch by default [TS]

00:51:37   because who doesn't want them no upsell [TS]

00:51:39   on that crap and for every pair of [TS]

00:51:41   glasses you buy they send a pair to [TS]

00:51:45   someone in need around the world people [TS]

00:51:46   who've got need eyeglasses but they're [TS]

00:51:49   there you know can't afford them warby [TS]

00:51:52   parker takes care of them it's a free [TS]

00:51:54   try at home program you go to their [TS]

00:51:57   website they've got I don't know at [TS]

00:51:59   least 100 pairs of glasses probably more [TS]

00:52:01   tons of them any style you can imagine [TS]

00:52:03   you will pick up to five that you like [TS]

00:52:06   they send them to you for free with like [TS]

00:52:09   dummy lenses in them and you can like [TS]

00:52:11   put them on see what they look like on [TS]

00:52:12   your face no obligation to buy you [TS]

00:52:15   haven't given them any money yet it [TS]

00:52:17   ships for free they give you the label [TS]

00:52:19   to send it back if you like one or more [TS]

00:52:21   of the ones you just say okay here I [TS]

00:52:23   like this one I like this one you give [TS]

00:52:25   me your prescription info they've got [TS]

00:52:27   like a little trick to measure like the [TS]

00:52:29   distance between your eyes you hold like [TS]

00:52:31   a standard credit card up in front of a [TS]

00:52:32   webcam or something like that and they [TS]

00:52:34   can measure and because you know you [TS]

00:52:35   there's little tricks like that to get [TS]

00:52:37   the glasses to be just right because I [TS]

00:52:39   got to know how far apart your pupils [TS]

00:52:40   are they do it right there with a camera [TS]

00:52:42   you don't go to a store you don't waste [TS]

00:52:44   any time on stuff like that totally free [TS]

00:52:47   to try these things at home you pick the [TS]

00:52:49   ones you like and they start at just 95 [TS]

00:52:51   bucks and then they show up in like a [TS]

00:52:53   couple of days it's a great system [TS]

00:52:55   they've got sunglasses you can get [TS]

00:52:58   prescription sunglasses they come with [TS]

00:52:59   polarized lenses etc etc [TS]

00:53:02   UV protection and remember every single [TS]

00:53:06   pair that you buy includes a pair of [TS]

00:53:09   glasses that they distribute to people [TS]

00:53:11   in need go to Warby Parker calm / the [TS]

00:53:15   talk show Warby Parker calm / the talk [TS]

00:53:19   show and don't know you came from the [TS]

00:53:20   show great stuff I think the sunglasses [TS]

00:53:24   are a good gateway drug like if you're [TS]

00:53:26   not ready to like let go of your [TS]

00:53:28   artisanal small-batch glasses that you [TS]

00:53:30   bought your tiny little Helvetica [TS]

00:53:31   glasses like start with sunglasses [TS]

00:53:32   because you if you need glasses you [TS]

00:53:35   could really benefit from prescription [TS]

00:53:36   sunglasses you know these guys have [TS]

00:53:38   gotten into a detail now too there's a [TS]

00:53:39   they have a retail shop here that just [TS]

00:53:42   opened here in Philly a couple weeks ago [TS]

00:53:43   right down the street from like the [TS]

00:53:45   apple store like you know like the [TS]

00:53:46   premium model district right I think [TS]

00:53:50   maybe arguably literally within a [TS]

00:53:51   stone's throw of the apple store there [TS]

00:53:53   so that there's a Warby Parker you can [TS]

00:53:55   go into i have i've walked down either [TS]

00:53:56   you could ever get a toilets they send [TS]

00:53:59   you four or five toilets to your house [TS]

00:54:00   you try them out you send back the ones [TS]

00:54:01   you don't want they might do that they [TS]

00:54:02   might might be why they got the retail [TS]

00:54:04   space you know i mean so you can you [TS]

00:54:06   know go in there and have a seat try try [TS]

00:54:08   it out for yourself yeah so I everything [TS]

00:54:10   like we used to could we just got the [TS]

00:54:12   apple store to check their email right [TS]

00:54:14   now maybe you go in there athena test [TS]

00:54:16   out the merchandise here's my theory on [TS]

00:54:18   the voice uh computers have conquered [TS]

00:54:22   tasks that the interfaces that have been [TS]

00:54:24   available have been acceptable to a [TS]

00:54:27   useful for so we did spreadsheets and [TS]

00:54:30   word processing first because at at the [TS]

00:54:33   very earliest years of computing the [TS]

00:54:35   only thing we really had were literally [TS]

00:54:38   we only had text-based displays and we [TS]

00:54:40   had keyboards and those are two things [TS]

00:54:42   that that with nothing but a text based [TS]

00:54:44   display and a keyboard they were [TS]

00:54:46   actually way better than what came [TS]

00:54:48   before it right but you could do things [TS]

00:54:50   like you put all these numbers into your [TS]

00:54:52   spreadsheet and get an answer for what [TS]

00:54:55   your budget would be and then you know [TS]

00:54:56   somebody says well what if instead of [TS]

00:54:58   ten percent growth we only have five [TS]

00:55:00   percent growth what happens all of a [TS]

00:55:02   sudden you say so you start with an [TS]

00:55:03   electronic it's an electronic analog for [TS]

00:55:05   something in the physical world but with [TS]

00:55:06   this added functionality it what [TS]

00:55:08   computers have always been good at is it [TS]

00:55:10   when they I take off is doing things [TS]

00:55:12   that that used to be mundane and make [TS]

00:55:15   saving us tons of time and you have that [TS]

00:55:17   you know it's even a relatively simple [TS]

00:55:19   spreadsheet in pre spreadsheet days if [TS]

00:55:22   somebody said let's say what happens if [TS]

00:55:23   we only have five percent growth instead [TS]

00:55:25   of ten percent growth but that number [TS]

00:55:26   percolates down to 20 different things [TS]

00:55:29   beneath it it takes two seconds in a [TS]

00:55:32   spreadsheet to make that change and it [TS]

00:55:34   would take a couple of minutes of math [TS]

00:55:35   error prone hand arithmetic it you know [TS]

00:55:39   previously word processing word [TS]

00:55:41   processing let people who were writing [TS]

00:55:43   documents make changes without bringing [TS]

00:55:45   whiteout and making a mess of the paper [TS]

00:55:48   and significant changes like moving [TS]

00:55:51   paragraphs around or deleting entire [TS]

00:55:53   chunks without retyping like I would [TS]

00:55:57   probably I think there's a good chance [TS]

00:55:58   that if I had been born fifty years [TS]

00:56:00   earlier I still would have been a writer [TS]

00:56:01   of some sort but I I would have been an [TS]

00:56:04   angry writer because I think I always [TS]

00:56:07   would be angry at the rewriting in high [TS]

00:56:09   school I used to have to do it I had a [TS]

00:56:10   typewriter in high school I didn't have [TS]

00:56:11   a computer so we had there was a there's [TS]

00:56:14   a one of the history teachers in my [TS]

00:56:15   college was infamous for always she's [TS]

00:56:18   very very tough to read or very tough [TS]

00:56:19   critic tough teacher and she would [TS]

00:56:21   invariably send back people's papers [TS]

00:56:23   everybody's got their paper sent back [TS]

00:56:25   and I had he had to make changes on it [TS]

00:56:27   and she would you know mark it up and [TS]

00:56:28   you'd have to retype any page that had [TS]

00:56:30   more than three corrections on it you [TS]

00:56:31   would have to read redo the page so you [TS]

00:56:33   gotta retype that beige and it was a big [TS]

00:56:36   correction guess what your retyping at [TS]

00:56:37   least two paper because it would [TS]

00:56:38   overflow right exactly yeah I mean and [TS]

00:56:41   that's a radical change if you really [TS]

00:56:43   think about I know that there's [TS]

00:56:43   youngsters out there who've never had to [TS]

00:56:45   do this and you think oh that sounds bad [TS]

00:56:46   but it was it was in practice it was [TS]

00:56:48   worse it was worse than you're imagining [TS]

00:56:50   because it really just felt like [TS]

00:56:51   busywork and that's what computers have [TS]

00:56:53   been good at but I feel like for things [TS]

00:56:55   like Excel we don't there's no need for [TS]

00:56:57   voice for that we ought you know the [TS]

00:56:58   existing input methods are better i [TS]

00:57:00   think the voice stuff totally agree the [TS]

00:57:03   voice stuff is entirely for stuff where [TS]

00:57:05   voice is a better a better interface [TS]

00:57:07   than then keyboard you know typing or [TS]

00:57:12   something like that well my response to [TS]

00:57:16   that listener i did one of those turns [TS]

00:57:18   out knock on Gladwell things because i [TS]

00:57:19   was like oh first of all you know i [TS]

00:57:20   don't think i don't think that is the [TS]

00:57:22   best way to interact but the bigger [TS]

00:57:23   question now I got my futurist had on [TS]

00:57:25   the bigger question is how many of us [TS]

00:57:27   will have jobs where we use Excel into [TS]

00:57:28   like that that's you know if you're [TS]

00:57:31   really thinking about this stuff nothing [TS]

00:57:33   I'm any scholar on this but that's let's [TS]

00:57:35   think bigger than where we are now we've [TS]

00:57:37   got to quit thinking about things as [TS]

00:57:38   slighted iterations on what we're [TS]

00:57:40   willing to admit has changed about what [TS]

00:57:42   we understand and start looking instead [TS]

00:57:44   it like what is the trend line for this [TS]

00:57:45   and and we know where does that end up [TS]

00:57:48   amidst all these other kinds of things [TS]

00:57:50   but so so how much do you use voice [TS]

00:57:54   day-to-day now I use it frequently but I [TS]

00:57:57   use it for the same handful of things [TS]

00:57:59   over and over and over and over again [TS]

00:58:01   are you a dictator I do i do dictate so [TS]

00:58:05   if that i think that should count so i [TS]

00:58:07   definitely dictate like I messages I [TS]

00:58:12   absolutely do because it's it's I can [TS]

00:58:15   dictate faster than I can type and it's [TS]

00:58:18   active in more than a sentence if you're [TS]

00:58:19   typing more than two sentences just put [TS]

00:58:21   a clock on it it'll blow your mind even [TS]

00:58:23   accounting for the time to fix small [TS]

00:58:25   errors it's so much faster than typing [TS]

00:58:27   and for the most part of the people who [TS]

00:58:31   i'm texting it said you know again a [TS]

00:58:33   handful of people you it's either my [TS]

00:58:36   wife my son or a close personal friend [TS]

00:58:40   and if it makes a homonym error I often [TS]

00:58:47   will just let it slide because I think [TS]

00:58:49   it's funny you know if you know if I say [TS]

00:58:52   it's AI don't know that the the produce [TS]

00:58:54   selection is a real Horror Show and it [TS]

00:58:57   comes out it comes out with horror or a [TS]

00:58:59   horse show I was or something like what [TS]

00:59:02   I'll look the truth is like on my iPad [TS]

00:59:05   I've got these the small iPad pro and [TS]

00:59:08   the truth is dictation on there [TS]

00:59:11   especially on Wi-Fi for certain kinds of [TS]

00:59:14   things like you know paragraph link [TS]

00:59:15   things like you know i would i would [TS]

00:59:16   challenge people to actually try this [TS]

00:59:18   because here's the thing for me if i'm [TS]

00:59:19   laying in bed like an animal typing with [TS]

00:59:21   my thumbs i will very frequently be [TS]

00:59:23   doing stuff like hitting the comma and [TS]

00:59:24   breaking this word in half for some dumb [TS]

00:59:26   reason or i meant to hit i meant to hit [TS]

00:59:29   a and i hit capital like there's these [TS]

00:59:31   same three or four typing mistakes I [TS]

00:59:32   make constantly on devices and you don't [TS]

00:59:35   get that instead you get funny funny [TS]

00:59:37   homonyms but so dictation do you do a [TS]

00:59:40   lot of like little task do you remind [TS]

00:59:42   do you do setting meetings and stuff [TS]

00:59:44   like that no not calendar but I have a [TS]

00:59:46   lot of meetings but I'll do reminder [TS]

00:59:48   sing I'll say you know add such and such [TS]

00:59:50   to my shopping list I feel like on with [TS]

00:59:54   the iOS voice function coffee the I'm [TS]

00:59:59   trying to avoid triggering [TS]

00:59:59   trying to avoid triggering [TS]

01:00:00   thanks um that I think that's the [TS]

01:00:01   gateway drug you what is the is like hey [TS]

01:00:04   dingus remind me to bring up the laundry [TS]

01:00:08   when I arrived at the house in two hours [TS]

01:00:11   right because there's a lot to that I [TS]

01:00:13   mean you do get a reminder it's on your [TS]

01:00:15   reminder list that's good by itself [TS]

01:00:16   it'll go off in two hours no matter what [TS]

01:00:19   but like if you're in the Geo fenced [TS]

01:00:21   area earlier it goes off as well I don't [TS]

01:00:23   know how many people know that and it's [TS]

01:00:25   really as simple as saying that thing if [TS]

01:00:26   you want to get started with your iphone [TS]

01:00:28   in particular I think that's that's a [TS]

01:00:30   pretty good place to start not great for [TS]

01:00:32   controlling music on air pots I've got [TS]

01:00:34   to say but a good way to you know get [TS]

01:00:36   you started well I think it would be if [TS]

01:00:38   the latency word were solved it's it's [TS]

01:00:41   too much of if there's too much of a [TS]

01:00:42   pause between when you double tap the [TS]

01:00:44   air pod and when the assistant kicks in [TS]

01:00:47   it's my fantasy for the air pods is it [TS]

01:00:51   gets something like I know this is [TS]

01:00:52   impossible at this point but that on one [TS]

01:00:55   side there's something like I know this [TS]

01:00:58   sounds crazy but there's something like [TS]

01:00:59   a impossibly small touchpad that's you [TS]

01:01:04   know like the size of you know half [TS]

01:01:07   centimeter but something that you could [TS]

01:01:09   press on that you could tap or push and [TS]

01:01:11   it has a little bit of slide ability so [TS]

01:01:14   you could like for example I know that's [TS]

01:01:16   nuts but it'd be pretty cool if you [TS]

01:01:17   could hit that dingus tap it twice you [TS]

01:01:19   get Siri you hit it once for example and [TS]

01:01:22   if you slide backwards or forwards it [TS]

01:01:24   would be volume like something like that [TS]

01:01:26   would be dynamite but probably out of [TS]

01:01:28   scope at that price yeah I love my air [TS]

01:01:31   putts I really do I brave about I it's [TS]

01:01:33   my favorite new apple thing in a long [TS]

01:01:35   time if i didn't knew so much more than [TS]

01:01:38   I expect I do too I expected to like [TS]

01:01:40   them but I actually love them and but I [TS]

01:01:43   fully acknowledged that part and parcel [TS]

01:01:45   of using them is the fact that there are [TS]

01:01:47   certain things that the old ten-dollar [TS]

01:01:49   wired well I know apple sold them for [TS]

01:01:50   twenty nine dollars but you know the old [TS]

01:01:52   killed right included in the box wired [TS]

01:01:54   ones we're way better at way better like [TS]

01:01:57   like double-clicking to go to the next [TS]

01:02:01   track and it's it's a little bit like [TS]

01:02:04   we're back to the truck in the car in [TS]

01:02:06   some ways though we're for that matter [TS]

01:02:07   voice were like this will not make sense [TS]

01:02:09   until you use it and when you use it you [TS]

01:02:10   will have no problem [TS]

01:02:13   during about when other headphones are a [TS]

01:02:15   better choice it's not I mean you're not [TS]

01:02:17   you know for what just the wireless [TS]

01:02:18   thing is dynamite if I'm just going to [TS]

01:02:20   do dishes and just want to like have a [TS]

01:02:22   little break and do dishes and listen to [TS]

01:02:24   a podcast cuz I mean what's going to [TS]

01:02:26   happen I mean the worst i have to do I [TS]

01:02:27   reach down I grab my pocket and I hit [TS]

01:02:29   the volume on my pocket to bring it up [TS]

01:02:31   or down but you know if you're going to [TS]

01:02:33   be traveling for a long time what you [TS]

01:02:35   know also turns out they do if you [TS]

01:02:37   include the time of the battery pack [TS]

01:02:39   little Tic Tac holder like you get [TS]

01:02:42   pretty good battery out of these things [TS]

01:02:44   it's gonna be fine it's not that many [TS]

01:02:46   occasions never run at least 450 I have [TS]

01:02:48   never met me neither and when I think [TS]

01:02:50   I've ever gotten below eighty percent i [TS]

01:02:51   don't know but i've gotten i've gotten [TS]

01:02:53   close we're not not even close but I've [TS]

01:02:56   gotten to the point where i get like a [TS]

01:02:57   warning or something or i don't i [TS]

01:02:59   somehow notice and i just absent-minded [TS]

01:03:01   leads put the air pods case on in a [TS]

01:03:04   lightning cable and it's fixed I don't [TS]

01:03:06   know the battery life is amazing on them [TS]

01:03:08   and i have to say i had the two hundred [TS]

01:03:10   ninety nine dollar beats ones um forget [TS]

01:03:14   what they were called but they're ones [TS]

01:03:15   with the little you know under the chin [TS]

01:03:17   cable and i liked them enough that they [TS]

01:03:20   were my main headphones for I don't know [TS]

01:03:22   eight nine months or something like that [TS]

01:03:23   but they were I was constantly running [TS]

01:03:25   out of battery life on them surprise at [TS]

01:03:28   surreal a moment's yeah like that case [TS]

01:03:30   that case is brilliant like I hate and I [TS]

01:03:32   love your tip your little YouTube video [TS]

01:03:33   i use your tip all the time for getting [TS]

01:03:35   them out that's the way to do it you [TS]

01:03:38   should tell people is it really good [TS]

01:03:39   i'll put it in the show notes show you [TS]

01:03:43   well yeah i have to plug in your [TS]

01:03:44   Ethernet right after plugging it let me [TS]

01:03:46   take another break here and thank what i [TS]

01:03:48   say i was gonna put in the show notes my [TS]

01:03:49   video oh yeah your uh your stanley [TS]

01:03:52   kubrick earbud video video air pod video [TS]

01:03:55   all right there it is in the show notes [TS]

01:03:56   I want to take a break that I got to [TS]

01:03:58   thank another great sponsor I have their [TS]

01:04:01   product I own it I think they sent it to [TS]

01:04:04   me i don't think i don't think i paid [TS]

01:04:06   for it i don't even remember but i would [TS]

01:04:07   buy it and in fact i'm going to buy more [TS]

01:04:09   it is a fantastic product i adore it it [TS]

01:04:13   is a suitcase from a company called a [TS]

01:04:16   way I've got the overhead one [TS]

01:04:20   it's it's simply a great suitcase it is [TS]

01:04:24   it is made with premium German [TS]

01:04:26   polycarbonate it looks like you could [TS]

01:04:28   throw it off the top of building and it [TS]

01:04:30   would be fine it has four wheels the [TS]

01:04:32   wheels are almost too good there's a [TS]

01:04:35   there's a terminal in the philadelphia [TS]

01:04:37   airport where to get to the the gates [TS]

01:04:39   that i always have to go to for whatever [TS]

01:04:41   reason every time I fly my gate at every [TS]

01:04:43   Airport I go to in North America is [TS]

01:04:45   always at the end of the terminal I [TS]

01:04:47   never ever ever get one of those gates [TS]

01:04:49   but at near the hub always at the end [TS]

01:04:52   and at the philly terminal c theirs is a [TS]

01:04:55   downhill slope like once you get past [TS]

01:04:59   like gate c 20 and it's it's downhill [TS]

01:05:01   the the wheels are so good on the away [TS]

01:05:04   suitcase that it like the thing wants to [TS]

01:05:05   run away from you it's got 4 360 degrees [TS]

01:05:09   spinner wheels they are super smooth [TS]

01:05:10   great wheels a TSA approved combination [TS]

01:05:14   lock built under the top to prevent that [TS]

01:05:16   is that great are these TSA you know and [TS]

01:05:18   it's the best you can do though it's [TS]

01:05:20   better than nothing right it's you know [TS]

01:05:22   what's it's it's nice that it's built in [TS]

01:05:24   and I've got one of these and I love it [TS]

01:05:25   it's built in so you don't have to do [TS]

01:05:26   that thing that I always do which is oh [TS]

01:05:28   great I've got a lock and I lost against [TS]

01:05:30   and all of my luggage has a lock on it [TS]

01:05:31   that I can't exactly and then you know [TS]

01:05:33   you just put your combination in your [TS]

01:05:34   one password or whatever you use and you [TS]

01:05:38   know it won't you won't forget it but [TS]

01:05:40   here's the kicker the kicker is that [TS]

01:05:42   they build in all that all that by [TS]

01:05:43   itself by itself you got yourself into [TS]

01:05:45   basically and if I stop and the prices [TS]

01:05:47   are great right there the prices are [TS]

01:05:48   great ah but here's the thing they built [TS]

01:05:51   into the top of the case like a really [TS]

01:05:55   get how many mega amps but a big battery [TS]

01:05:58   and there's two USB ports one of them is [TS]

01:06:01   the like the 55 watt like for a phone [TS]

01:06:05   and the other one is like a 15 watt or [TS]

01:06:07   something like that for like iPads or [TS]

01:06:09   whatever or anything that can charge [TS]

01:06:11   faster and so all you need then to [TS]

01:06:13   charge your phone when you're at the [TS]

01:06:15   airport you don't have to go around [TS]

01:06:16   hunting for a seat at the airport near [TS]

01:06:20   socket because guess what you know [TS]

01:06:22   they're already taken they're taken [TS]

01:06:24   there's because there's like one most [TS]

01:06:25   North American airports have to wall [TS]

01:06:28   sockets in the entire Airport yeah so [TS]

01:06:31   you just makes you know charge your suit [TS]

01:06:34   card your suitcase uh yeah when you get [TS]

01:06:36   back you back to your room so you run [TS]

01:06:37   off your staircase you get back to your [TS]

01:06:39   room and we go to sleep at night you [TS]

01:06:40   charge your suitcase like a gentleman it [TS]

01:06:41   has so much power that like you could [TS]

01:06:43   charge your suitcase before you go on [TS]

01:06:44   your trip charge your phone at the [TS]

01:06:46   airport go somewhere on the way back [TS]

01:06:48   plug the USB n again and it still has a [TS]

01:06:50   charge to charge up your phone while [TS]

01:06:52   you're sitting there waiting for your [TS]

01:06:53   flight I test I tested it and gave up [TS]

01:06:55   after three charges of an iphone it it's [TS]

01:06:58   just yeah no I mean it's it's got at [TS]

01:07:00   least it I would say very safely at [TS]

01:07:02   least two I don't want to oversell this [TS]

01:07:03   because I don't speck in front of me but [TS]

01:07:04   you you will definitely be able to [TS]

01:07:06   charge up your stuff on good it's a big [TS]

01:07:08   ass like Julian like you and a friend or [TS]

01:07:11   spouse or a child whatever Zack I like [TS]

01:07:13   having portable battery chargers when I [TS]

01:07:15   travel but like I liked there's like a [TS]

01:07:17   balancing act with a real portable [TS]

01:07:18   charger where you want one that's like [TS]

01:07:19   small enough that I get put it in your [TS]

01:07:21   pocket it doesn't look like you've got a [TS]

01:07:22   costanza wallet but on the other hand [TS]

01:07:24   the ones that are kind of slim don't [TS]

01:07:25   really they give you like an extra like [TS]

01:07:27   fifty percent on your battery a suitcase [TS]

01:07:29   even a small overhead suitcase plenty of [TS]

01:07:32   space for a battery that will charge [TS]

01:07:34   your stuff it is a brilliant idea it is [TS]

01:07:37   really great and the prices are super [TS]

01:07:39   great they have great prices because [TS]

01:07:41   they sell direct so here's where you go [TS]

01:07:42   go to away travel.com away travel calm / [TS]

01:07:46   talk show no the just talk show and [TS]

01:07:49   remember that promo code talk show when [TS]

01:07:51   you check out and guess what you save an [TS]

01:07:53   extra twenty bucks off your first order [TS]

01:07:55   20 bucks right in your pocket for a [TS]

01:07:58   great suitcase with great stuff inside [TS]

01:08:01   it's it's well organized super rugged [TS]

01:08:04   great wheels but the battery charger is [TS]

01:08:06   the kit is the killer feature my thanks [TS]

01:08:08   to await trial good product ma'am here's [TS]

01:08:13   the thing I keep saying this if you have [TS]

01:08:15   a voice assistant and you hired somebody [TS]

01:08:17   you hired you know a real live person [TS]

01:08:19   you know kid right out of college to [TS]

01:08:22   just follow you around and do stuff for [TS]

01:08:25   you and you could say things like you [TS]

01:08:28   know let's say that the kid's name is [TS]

01:08:29   dingus you'd say hey dingus what's the [TS]

01:08:32   score of the north carolina game and [TS]

01:08:34   then dingus would you know look it up on [TS]

01:08:38   a phone or whatever and then tell you [TS]

01:08:39   the score of the game well that's [TS]

01:08:42   already slower then you know the [TS]

01:08:44   computers are better at that sort of [TS]

01:08:45   stuff than having a [TS]

01:08:47   but the flipside is that the computers [TS]

01:08:50   will make errors that no human being [TS]

01:08:53   even if you hired like a drunk no no [TS]

01:08:58   human assistant would ever make some of [TS]

01:09:00   the boneheaded errors that that the [TS]

01:09:06   computer assistance make so for example [TS]

01:09:08   i have i have two contacts named Amy one [TS]

01:09:12   of them is my wife and I text her [TS]

01:09:14   probably more than every other person in [TS]

01:09:17   the world combined and then there's a PR [TS]

01:09:19   person who works at a technology company [TS]

01:09:21   who have had contact with maybe five [TS]

01:09:23   times in years and sometimes when I say [TS]

01:09:27   hey dingus text Amy blah blah blah it [TS]

01:09:31   usually it just knows to send it to my [TS]

01:09:33   wife but every once in a while it'll say [TS]

01:09:36   which amy and but you really don't wanna [TS]

01:09:39   get that wrong no you don't you don't [TS]

01:09:41   want to get it wrong uh but it and I so [TS]

01:09:46   I understand being careful and I'd [TS]

01:09:48   rather have that likewise just your [TS]

01:09:50   point partly being like why isn't that [TS]

01:09:52   why has not figured this out yet well [TS]

01:09:54   it's not why hasn't it I understand it [TS]

01:09:56   it's a hard problem to figure out my [TS]

01:09:57   point though is more that the bar is set [TS]

01:10:00   at the common sense of a human being and [TS]

01:10:03   that's okay right it's we need to judge [TS]

01:10:06   these things by the bar that bar of [TS]

01:10:08   common sense that if I tech if I had a [TS]

01:10:10   human assistant and said tell Amy I'm [TS]

01:10:13   going to be late and I'll let her know [TS]

01:10:15   soon how late I'll be there's zero [TS]

01:10:19   percent chance that that assistant isn't [TS]

01:10:20   going to know exactly who I'm talking [TS]

01:10:22   about that's a good point like a worst [TS]

01:10:25   assistant I could hire someone who I'm [TS]

01:10:27   like hey hey dingus tell yourself you're [TS]

01:10:32   fired it just randomly picks the first [TS]

01:10:33   Amy knowing knowing that your wife is [TS]

01:10:35   named Amy it just randomly picks the [TS]

01:10:37   first time you finds in the rolodex even [TS]

01:10:38   an assistant who I'm so upset with their [TS]

01:10:41   performance that I'm about I'm looking [TS]

01:10:43   to replace them or you know let them go [TS]

01:10:44   is going to get that right right uh um [TS]

01:10:49   this is not your point is very well [TS]

01:10:52   taken just for what it's worth [TS]

01:10:53   practically to be well actually guy two [TS]

01:10:56   ways I get around that are by naming [TS]

01:11:00   relation [TS]

01:11:00   ships hmm and by so you could say hey [TS]

01:11:04   dingus yeah imaging Gruber is my wife I [TS]

01:11:06   had seen it dingus knows that and I know [TS]

01:11:09   I can't say text my wife that but it [TS]

01:11:13   never comes out naturally I feel like [TS]

01:11:15   part of the interaction I know part of [TS]

01:11:17   the interaction with these things is [TS]

01:11:18   that it you I think that they work best [TS]

01:11:22   or feel like they work best like maybe [TS]

01:11:24   the stopwatch would tell you there's no [TS]

01:11:25   difference but the cognitive load is so [TS]

01:11:28   much less if you don't really have to [TS]

01:11:30   think about it in the formal how do i [TS]

01:11:33   officially want to do this if I just say [TS]

01:11:36   what's on the top of my head it always [TS]

01:11:38   comes out as a me it never comes out as [TS]

01:11:39   my wife right but it did the frustrating [TS]

01:11:42   part I mean I would never call her my [TS]

01:11:44   wife in a normal I'll life yeah yeah [TS]

01:11:47   it's like borat right but you're like [TS]

01:11:49   but it's almost eighty percent of the [TS]

01:11:50   way there and that it can do that with [TS]

01:11:51   the part that is frustrating to me and [TS]

01:11:53   yeah I know it's a hard problem it is [TS]

01:11:54   frustrating me though that like for [TS]

01:11:56   example when it first miss here's you [TS]

01:12:00   sometimes it will say like okay I didn't [TS]

01:12:02   understand that name to pronounce that [TS]

01:12:03   for me and it like wow that's really [TS]

01:12:06   interesting you suddenly get really [TS]

01:12:07   smart sometimes and now you want to [TS]

01:12:08   learn how something is pronounced that's [TS]

01:12:09   really cool but then another times like [TS]

01:12:11   if you have exactly two people with the [TS]

01:12:13   name Amy in there it is amazing how much [TS]

01:12:15   of the time it'll say which Amy do you [TS]

01:12:16   want to send it to like and seems to me [TS]

01:12:18   like by the fifth or 40th time that has [TS]

01:12:21   happened it kind of seems like it should [TS]

01:12:23   figure out that like well it's always [TS]

01:12:25   this one Amy yeah you know um what about [TS]

01:12:32   looking let me ask you looking I don't [TS]

01:12:33   want drag on I know got to do a shorty [TS]

01:12:35   today but like you notice differences [TS]

01:12:36   and how your kid uses it cuz like [TS]

01:12:38   something I learned from other from [TS]

01:12:40   people with kids our kids are your kids [TS]

01:12:42   older than mine mine's 9 yours is 13 yep [TS]

01:12:45   sure God the Cirque uses got kids that [TS]

01:12:49   are actually I think 9 and 13 yeah um [TS]

01:12:52   dictation this is just what my kid does [TS]

01:12:54   she's real good at the ipad she's real [TS]

01:12:56   good at finding stuff on google she's [TS]

01:12:58   you know really yeah she's just great on [TS]

01:13:00   the ipad but she would prefer to do [TS]

01:13:02   everything with dictation she tries to [TS]

01:13:04   do corrections to what she missed typed [TS]

01:13:06   with dictation and like Syracuse and me [TS]

01:13:08   we talk about this later ives you [TS]

01:13:10   bananas you want to tear it out of your [TS]

01:13:11   hand just go type like a person with [TS]

01:13:13   your thumbs [TS]

01:13:14   but like I think that's very telling [TS]

01:13:16   that the kids really get the voice thing [TS]

01:13:18   in a way that it feels exotic and slow [TS]

01:13:21   to us well it makes sense to them the [TS]

01:13:23   distances to hear could do that uh not [TS]

01:13:26   so much with the iphone as far as I can [TS]

01:13:28   tell he's mostly he tapper with the [TS]

01:13:31   iphone but doesn't really his text [TS]

01:13:33   messages are incredibly short often a [TS]

01:13:36   single emoji usually just a word or two [TS]

01:13:38   but where he really takes to voice is [TS]

01:13:41   with the Apple TV he had a sleepover in [TS]

01:13:46   a friend sleep over saturday night and I [TS]

01:13:48   mean a must have spent 90 minutes just [TS]

01:13:50   laughing hysterically telling apple TV [TS]

01:13:53   to play I know goofy songs i've never [TS]

01:13:56   heard of but you know but they did [TS]

01:13:57   everything by voice it was all just [TS]

01:13:59   hitting the mic button and asking Apple [TS]

01:14:02   TV 2 apple music whatever to play a [TS]

01:14:04   bunch of goofy songs that I wasn't [TS]

01:14:07   familiar with but it was like 90 minutes [TS]

01:14:09   of uproarious laughter all through the [TS]

01:14:11   mic button on Apple TV we had I think I [TS]

01:14:14   mentioned this last time we had a [TS]

01:14:16   sleepover with seven girls 7 3rd grade [TS]

01:14:20   girls I don't know what we were thinking [TS]

01:14:21   and the I mean 77 and oh boy what you [TS]

01:14:27   want to learn a little bit about [TS]

01:14:28   politics have seven the third-grade [TS]

01:14:30   girls sleep at your house because the [TS]

01:14:31   first everybody's in a room and then [TS]

01:14:33   everybody's in different rooms and [TS]

01:14:34   there's crying and there's [TS]

01:14:35   reconciliations and it's like one big [TS]

01:14:36   sad game of diplomacy where everybody's [TS]

01:14:38   right in orders in the hallways and but [TS]

01:14:41   boy the the Amazons echo were a big fun [TS]

01:14:45   feature I learn stuff from some of the [TS]

01:14:47   kids like I guess I didn't know the [TS]

01:14:49   thing about how you can tell it you know [TS]

01:14:51   it's the real thing where designers of [TS]

01:14:52   San Francisco haha right haha right [TS]

01:14:58   right right right oh god yes yeah yeah [TS]

01:15:01   they're like just one Cosmo short of a [TS]

01:15:02   fistfight so you learn stuff about the I [TS]

01:15:07   did I yeah I guess I knew but forgot the [TS]

01:15:10   thing about telling you know what's the [TS]

01:15:12   song that goes my mind is clear now at [TS]

01:15:15   last all too well I can see like and [TS]

01:15:16   then it'll play like you know Jesus [TS]

01:15:19   Christ Superstar or whatever yeah that's [TS]

01:15:21   that's great but you know there i guess [TS]

01:15:23   i'm trying to get out i don't mean i'm [TS]

01:15:24   not i'm not trying to be like you know [TS]

01:15:27   Kevin Kelly or something here I'm not as [TS]

01:15:29   smart as Kevin Kelly but I'm just saying [TS]

01:15:30   like look to what these people are doing [TS]

01:15:33   they're not weird and dumb like they're [TS]

01:15:35   figuring this out and we might be the [TS]

01:15:37   weird ones at this point you know so [TS]

01:15:39   yeah I don't know but then there's still [TS]

01:15:40   so many holes I mean I'd like to your [TS]

01:15:43   point so I have to admit it's such a [TS]

01:15:45   bitch it's not even hold surely dated it [TS]

01:15:48   challenged um okay I would just say it's [TS]

01:15:51   not holes I think it's more like we're [TS]

01:15:54   still in a canyon and we've built a few [TS]

01:15:56   plateaus it's mostly hole I think yeah I [TS]

01:15:59   somebody I remember first in the early [TS]

01:16:01   days in 80s describing windows as being [TS]

01:16:03   like this system where like you'd be in [TS]

01:16:05   this in this beautiful office building [TS]

01:16:07   on the 13th floor of this beautiful [TS]

01:16:08   office building only sometimes you'd [TS]

01:16:10   open a door and fall down a mine shaft [TS]

01:16:12   to the ground floor you just get dropped [TS]

01:16:15   into das out of nowhere sometimes like [TS]

01:16:16   what happened with a computer go and you [TS]

01:16:19   know i think that's that's still the [TS]

01:16:20   case here so i did this I did this other [TS]

01:16:22   show called due by Friday where we give [TS]

01:16:23   each other a challenge every week and I [TS]

01:16:25   the challenge I gave my coast this week [TS]

01:16:26   was to try what I'm doing which is try [TS]

01:16:28   doing this voice thing and we'll see how [TS]

01:16:29   that goes but I've also the side [TS]

01:16:31   challenge and this was to start keeping [TS]

01:16:33   track of the stuff that drives you [TS]

01:16:34   bananas about using your voice so if [TS]

01:16:36   you're ready to lock your keys inside [TS]

01:16:38   the car inside of another car instead of [TS]

01:16:39   another car my first thing I did was say [TS]

01:16:41   I said something along lines of hey [TS]

01:16:42   dingus dingus make a new note called [TS]

01:16:45   bitch cuz I thought cousin what do I [TS]

01:16:48   want to be able to do i want to say hey [TS]

01:16:50   dingus add this effing thing doesn't [TS]

01:16:52   work to my bitch note and of course what [TS]

01:16:55   happens Siri goes oh merlin your [TS]

01:16:58   language is so saucy and like no dingus [TS]

01:17:01   so I had to go to manually create no [TS]

01:17:04   call bitch because it refused to do [TS]

01:17:06   anything with it cuz I thought I was [TS]

01:17:07   being a saucy boy but you know and of [TS]

01:17:11   course that's the first thing on the [TS]

01:17:12   list now is that you know that Siri [TS]

01:17:14   chides me sometimes for how I choose to [TS]

01:17:15   name things but now you're right you're [TS]

01:17:18   right i mean it's it is early days but [TS]

01:17:19   demand me to monopolize your show with [TS]

01:17:22   voice stuff no it's just do feel like [TS]

01:17:24   it's pretty easy to write once you get [TS]

01:17:27   to the age the people like we are it [TS]

01:17:29   becomes very easy to just write off huge [TS]

01:17:32   swathes of stuff by going like a whole [TS]

01:17:35   like you know Douglas Adams thing of [TS]

01:17:37   like you know stuff that was created [TS]

01:17:38   before you were 30 [TS]

01:17:40   is dependable stuff creating your 30s is [TS]

01:17:42   like yeah cool anything after that is [TS]

01:17:44   dangerous I don't want to be that guy I [TS]

01:17:48   don't want to be the guy I always [TS]

01:17:51   thought this like I don't want to be the [TS]

01:17:53   guy who is now mid 40s and as really [TS]

01:17:58   strong opinions about the way computers [TS]

01:18:00   are which I am and who dismisses the new [TS]

01:18:03   things like the guys who dismissed the [TS]

01:18:07   Macintosh when it came like I [TS]

01:18:09   specifically towards a toy fur it's a [TS]

01:18:11   toy for rich boy I remember very [TS]

01:18:12   specifically a reading a jhansi Dvorak [TS]

01:18:16   column from like 19 85 or 86 or [TS]

01:18:18   something like that where his his [TS]

01:18:19   argument against the Macintosh and why [TS]

01:18:21   it was doomed to failure was that real [TS]

01:18:23   people doing real work want to kick back [TS]

01:18:28   in their chairs and put their feet on [TS]

01:18:30   their desk and put their keyboard on [TS]

01:18:31   their lap and therefore they can't use [TS]

01:18:33   the mouse and that that one of those [TS]

01:18:36   hats it wit card it says press and [TS]

01:18:38   that's exactly how he was banging out [TS]

01:18:40   the column that I was reading was with [TS]

01:18:42   his feet on his desk in the diff Davis [TS]

01:18:44   offices in San Francisco and how in the [TS]

01:18:47   world am I ever going to use a mouse you [TS]

01:18:48   know this thing is doomed I don't want [TS]

01:18:50   to be that guy with voice I really don't [TS]

01:18:52   even though I'm frustrated with it in a [TS]

01:18:55   lot of ways and I see a lot of problems [TS]

01:18:56   with it and I see people using it for [TS]

01:18:58   things where I'm like oh my god you [TS]

01:18:59   could totally do that better the old way [TS]

01:19:02   but I totally see that it's the new [TS]

01:19:04   thing that's coming I know we gotta go [TS]

01:19:07   soon I gotta squeeze in I got squeeze in [TS]

01:19:08   another message from a friend though and [TS]

01:19:10   it's it yeah please by all means what [TS]

01:19:12   I'm I something you like well it's [TS]

01:19:13   fracture fractures do you guys know [TS]

01:19:15   Christ sure you guys know French oh let [TS]

01:19:18   me tell you something now i'm recording [TS]

01:19:20   this on march 21 21 it's probably going [TS]

01:19:24   to come out on wednesday march 22 [TS]

01:19:26   fracture you send them your photos you [TS]

01:19:28   take your photos to send them to [TS]

01:19:29   fracture they put them right on glass no [TS]

01:19:32   frame just a piece of glass we're on the [TS]

01:19:34   back of the glass they print the photo [TS]

01:19:36   directly on it it comes with everything [TS]

01:19:38   you need to prop it up on a shelf or to [TS]

01:19:40   hang it on a wall it comes with [TS]

01:19:42   everything you need the quality is [TS]

01:19:44   amazing we've got a ton of them in the [TS]

01:19:45   house we love them people will notice it [TS]

01:19:48   because there's no frame around it [TS]

01:19:49   really looks cool it's just edge to edge [TS]

01:19:50   but here's what i'm telling you about [TS]

01:19:53   the date [TS]

01:19:54   uh this March number one if you get get [TS]

01:19:57   this message now through the end of [TS]

01:19:58   March you can save twenty percent on [TS]

01:19:59   fracture prints with the promo code [TS]

01:20:01   clean what they're suggesting it's a [TS]

01:20:04   promotion where they want you to clean [TS]

01:20:06   out your digital camera roll go through [TS]

01:20:07   like their last year of photos and find [TS]

01:20:09   the keepers find like the 10 best photos [TS]

01:20:11   from their last year clean them out get [TS]

01:20:13   them printed and do something with them [TS]

01:20:15   get them off the little phone screen [TS]

01:20:17   hang them on the walls so through the [TS]

01:20:19   end of March you could save twenty [TS]

01:20:20   percent with that code clean the CL EA n [TS]

01:20:22   let Skye have a 60 day happiness [TS]

01:20:25   guarantee they print them they're [TS]

01:20:28   handmade right in gainesville florida [TS]

01:20:29   from us source materials in a [TS]

01:20:31   carbon-neutral factory but here's the [TS]

01:20:33   other thing yet get Mother's Day gifts [TS]

01:20:35   now do it now order them now you'll even [TS]

01:20:38   save twenty percent with that code clean [TS]

01:20:40   but do it now in March do it just pick a [TS]

01:20:45   couple photos of something that'll make [TS]

01:20:47   your wife or your mom or grandmother [TS]

01:20:50   whoever you've got for Mother's Day [TS]

01:20:52   there love it there's nothing you can [TS]

01:20:54   buy them that will make them happier [TS]

01:20:56   than photos of their family but do it [TS]

01:20:58   now because if you wait until goes you [TS]

01:21:01   will never get it the fracture cuz [TS]

01:21:02   they're handmade in fracture you'll [TS]

01:21:03   never ever get it at the last minute [TS]

01:21:05   it's not a last minute gift do it now [TS]

01:21:08   put it somewhere and then when you think [TS]

01:21:11   like oh crap it's Mother's Day you've [TS]

01:21:13   got nothing left to do except go buy a [TS]

01:21:14   card and some flowers or whatever the [TS]

01:21:16   type of stuff you can do it the last [TS]

01:21:17   minute but you've got a killer gift [TS]

01:21:19   right there ready to go trust me i got i [TS]

01:21:21   got to work i got a workflow for you if [TS]

01:21:23   you've been sharing these like we do if [TS]

01:21:25   you share them with your family via [TS]

01:21:26   iCloud and go in and look at the ones [TS]

01:21:29   that they've liked favorited your star [TS]

01:21:30   what achiever what achieve somebody yes [TS]

01:21:33   terrific cheat you find out oh my god [TS]

01:21:35   she's grown so much bingo right there [TS]

01:21:37   boom upload click pop fracture it's that [TS]

01:21:42   easy this is what their site is a joy to [TS]

01:21:44   use it's so easy to you come mothers day [TS]

01:21:46   you're gonna you're gonna be thinking [TS]

01:21:47   about John and Marilyn and you're going [TS]

01:21:49   to think John and Marilyn did me right [TS]

01:21:50   do it ah anything else you want to talk [TS]

01:21:55   about I you know people probably think [TS]

01:21:57   what we've got two or three hours left [TS]

01:21:59   on the show but we don't were done [TS]

01:22:00   normally we do we had to jam this one in [TS]

01:22:02   because your gut you know what I could [TS]

01:22:04   do what I I'm in a tight spot a [TS]

01:22:06   two-parter [TS]

01:22:07   I man in tight spot recording-wise I've [TS]

01:22:09   got to squeezing these shows on the rare [TS]

01:22:11   days when there aren't contractors [TS]

01:22:13   upstairs banging banging holes in the [TS]

01:22:15   walls that house we're about to move out [TS]

01:22:17   of it so anyway it's it's it's a long [TS]

01:22:19   sad story and it makes it hard to do a [TS]

01:22:20   podcast but uh well I probably can't hmm [TS]

01:22:25   do our follow-up we'd like to do from [TS]

01:22:28   our November up nah that's too much too [TS]

01:22:30   deep too deep but I I don't want to bust [TS]

01:22:33   a gut but I would just like to say [TS]

01:22:36   sincerely thank you to everybody who [TS]

01:22:40   responded to that episode that is maybe [TS]

01:22:44   the most response I have ever gotten [TS]

01:22:46   there without questioning me I mean I'm [TS]

01:22:49   not a say i'm not i'm talking about you [TS]

01:22:51   include the talk where I cried you [TS]

01:22:53   include that thing I wrote on the thing [TS]

01:22:55   like I we got so much heart felt kind [TS]

01:23:00   responses from people on a day that was [TS]

01:23:02   very difficult for both of us and for a [TS]

01:23:04   lot of people I just want to say thank [TS]

01:23:05   thank you for the opportunity to do it [TS]

01:23:06   honestly and thank you to everybody who [TS]

01:23:08   continues to send nice notes about that [TS]

01:23:10   I still remember this morning 3 minutes [TS]

01:23:12   in how many minutes into that episode [TS]

01:23:14   what if for anybody who's not familiar [TS]

01:23:16   the day after the election was it the [TS]

01:23:17   day after the morning the morning after [TS]

01:23:19   the election which Merlin and I both [TS]

01:23:23   took pretty hard we recorded an episode [TS]

01:23:25   of the show about it but without trying [TS]

01:23:28   the purpose was to sort of talk our way [TS]

01:23:30   through this and talk anybody else who [TS]

01:23:31   was upset through this in a way that was [TS]

01:23:33   you can't quite say a political but [TS]

01:23:36   eight nonpartisan not strictly part it's [TS]

01:23:39   not strictly partisan and it at some [TS]

01:23:43   point a few minutes into this show you [TS]

01:23:45   said way this is this holiday party it [TS]

01:23:49   it wasn't all you were aware at first [TS]

01:23:52   doesn't know what it reminded me of the [TS]

01:23:55   holiday party episode that you did with [TS]

01:23:58   danna time ago we told the story of [TS]

01:24:00   losing your driver's license ID and is I [TS]

01:24:03   could tell you were having a holiday [TS]

01:24:04   party I was having a holiday party was [TS]

01:24:06   that a continuation of the previous [TS]

01:24:08   night's honey pie right yeah I took it I [TS]

01:24:11   took the election very hard tonight I [TS]

01:24:13   mean obviously I was I was I was sober [TS]

01:24:16   enough at one point to make arrangements [TS]

01:24:18   with you to do a show that I stayed [TS]

01:24:20   I really tried to drink away that [TS]

01:24:25   election and then they were you know is [TS]

01:24:27   one of the you know maybe enough to [TS]

01:24:28   drink where I woke up and it was still a [TS]

01:24:29   significant portion of the fuel coursing [TS]

01:24:34   through my veins we're trying to scoop [TS]

01:24:36   up everybody but you know sometimes [TS]

01:24:38   you're gonna miss me and I you know I [TS]

01:24:39   might have thought to myself you know if [TS]

01:24:40   any time it's there's a Wednesday where [TS]

01:24:42   you can have an eye opener maybe this is [TS]

01:24:44   the Wednesday yeah that's your day yeah [TS]

01:24:46   daddy's day but it did and I you were [TS]

01:24:49   right and all joking aside we got a [TS]

01:24:51   tremendous amount of wonderful heartfelt [TS]

01:24:53   feedback immediately and it lasted [TS]

01:24:56   though that like into January and even [TS]

01:24:59   it still pops up every once in a while [TS]

01:25:01   now where people will say you know I've [TS]

01:25:02   listened to that episode six times and [TS]

01:25:05   I've never done that with a podcast [TS]

01:25:06   before and it's like that's crazy [TS]

01:25:07   there's only so many people who said [TS]

01:25:09   like I couldn't listen to it for a month [TS]

01:25:10   because they were stay were so they were [TS]

01:25:12   having their own dark month of the soul [TS]

01:25:14   right and they and then they were like I [TS]

01:25:16   listened to it and it you know doesn't [TS]

01:25:18   make you feel better but it makes you [TS]

01:25:20   feel a little different you know I know [TS]

01:25:21   maybe a little different and a lot of [TS]

01:25:23   people said liked it made me feel like I [TS]

01:25:25   wasn't alone I'm not crazy yeah so [TS]

01:25:27   anyway this is luckily all that settled [TS]

01:25:29   now everything's running like a top it's [TS]

01:25:32   like I'm really like a well-oiled [TS]

01:25:33   machine every day every day every day [TS]

01:25:36   okay so one of the worst things I've [TS]

01:25:38   done in the last few months is one of my [TS]

01:25:41   friends i'd do that show with max Temkin [TS]

01:25:42   he he has this list of people's [TS]

01:25:45   political US political people and [TS]

01:25:47   reporters and i started following much [TS]

01:25:50   to my peril i started following this [TS]

01:25:52   fucking list and it's just unraveled my [TS]

01:25:54   entire life because I spent so much time [TS]

01:25:55   again Philippa flipper flipper and [TS]

01:25:58   tweetbot looking at this thing is this [TS]

01:25:59   is a twitter-like stood in other words [TS]

01:26:01   yeah if you go to max Temkin at mex temp [TS]

01:26:04   can look at his list you'll see his us [TS]

01:26:05   politics list and it's actually it's a [TS]

01:26:07   good way like that's how I've learned [TS]

01:26:08   about like I'm Molly Haberman I Malloy [TS]

01:26:11   and all these people that I really [TS]

01:26:12   follow like seven boys funny he's very [TS]

01:26:14   funny so anyway but it seems like pretty [TS]

01:26:20   much every Monday and a lot of most [TS]

01:26:22   other days someone announces this is it [TS]

01:26:24   and I gotta get away from this one this [TS]

01:26:29   is it this is the worst day that the [TS]

01:26:33   Republican [TS]

01:26:34   and it has had set there's no this is [TS]

01:26:39   there's piss no way done dunzo this is [TS]

01:26:46   it and then he come back the next day [TS]

01:26:48   you go you know what today he had the [TS]

01:26:51   worst day release the kraken when do we [TS]

01:26:59   get to see the piss video I want to know [TS]

01:27:01   in a lot of ways you have to laugh it's [TS]

01:27:04   hard because there aren't some there are [TS]

01:27:07   some real-world consequences you know 22 [TS]

01:27:11   oh my goodness environmental policy to [TS]

01:27:14   Don hella Merkel her face oh look you're [TS]

01:27:17   not really you're not gonna shake my [TS]

01:27:18   hand dude you're standing like I'm where [TS]

01:27:20   the last liberal democracy left your [TS]

01:27:22   there were a couple of moment watch the [TS]

01:27:24   whole thing there there were two moments [TS]

01:27:25   there was the big do you want to shake [TS]

01:27:28   hands and he's just look at his feet and [TS]

01:27:31   then there was the moment where they [TS]

01:27:33   were standing at the podiums side by [TS]

01:27:35   side that was in the the the the [TS]

01:27:37   handshake that didn't happen was in the [TS]

01:27:39   Oval Office right never they had they [TS]

01:27:40   had the press conference at the at the [TS]

01:27:42   dueling podiums and and Trump when it [TS]

01:27:47   was asked about his question about [TS]

01:27:49   wiretapping yeah this spurious claim [TS]

01:27:51   that obama had wiretapped him turn to [TS]

01:27:53   her and made a joke instead maybe we've [TS]

01:27:55   got something in common they're [TS]

01:27:57   referring to one of the most difficult [TS]

01:28:00   moments of the entire Obama [TS]

01:28:02   administration when it when it I think [TS]

01:28:04   it was a Snowden Yeah right that that uh [TS]

01:28:06   did we been you know what did she [TS]

01:28:12   snapped her neck on a double take you [TS]

01:28:15   could not fake rocky like she's it it [TS]

01:28:18   she was a good girl right not because [TS]

01:28:21   she wasn't aware me to say that it's so [TS]

01:28:23   something it was not supposed to be [TS]

01:28:25   talked about it was as though so it was [TS]

01:28:27   like a trumpet brought up toilet [TS]

01:28:28   splatter was the look on Angela Angela [TS]

01:28:33   Merkel's face when he he brought up [TS]

01:28:36   maybe we've got something together [TS]

01:28:37   something something million all the [TS]

01:28:40   German reporters the German reporters [TS]

01:28:42   are like are like in some kind of a Hans [TS]

01:28:45   Christian Andersen book with like uh why [TS]

01:28:48   do you keep saying things that you know [TS]

01:28:51   aren't true and America's like wow there [TS]

01:28:55   wow that's really brave did you see that [TS]

01:28:57   the hair is the the reporter who asked [TS]

01:29:01   that question she has become like a [TS]

01:29:03   celebrity in Germany simply because of [TS]

01:29:05   her she's like a modern folk here right [TS]

01:29:06   because she just flatly asked him mr. [TS]

01:29:08   president why do you smile you continue [TS]

01:29:11   and repeatedly say things that you know [TS]

01:29:12   aren't true you think we'll be back here [TS]

01:29:15   in four months with the same situation [TS]

01:29:17   if we didn't know God forgot God willing [TS]

01:29:19   if you and I visit again here on your [TS]

01:29:21   program thank you for having me you [TS]

01:29:23   think you do I think trumbull silly [TS]

01:29:25   balls just can this continue yeah I i [TS]

01:29:28   think it's i think one of the things [TS]

01:29:30   that to me is very obvious was that this [TS]

01:29:34   was going to be a disaster a complete [TS]

01:29:36   disaster but i think it was i also [TS]

01:29:39   thought it's going to be unpossible to [TS]

01:29:41   predict how and I think that's [TS]

01:29:43   completely coming out I don't think [TS]

01:29:45   anybody is quite called the way that [TS]

01:29:48   that this has gone bad uh I right I [TS]

01:29:53   think there's a good chance that he [TS]

01:29:54   doesn't that he doesn't make it I think [TS]

01:29:57   there's a good chance that he gets to a [TS]

01:29:58   point where he's like it resides but I [TS]

01:30:01   feel like four months from now is [TS]

01:30:03   probably not soon enough we had me back [TS]

01:30:06   I will i would love to him what do you [TS]

01:30:09   think do you think I mean it's assigned [TS]

01:30:13   a real horse meeting evil force an [TS]

01:30:17   immovable object type situation people [TS]

01:30:19   have one part of this one part that's [TS]

01:30:21   always seemed plausible to me honestly [TS]

01:30:23   is that I don't think he really wanted [TS]

01:30:26   this job I think he wanted to win right [TS]

01:30:27   but I don't think he wanted the job I [TS]

01:30:29   mean so it's always been plausible to me [TS]

01:30:31   that knowing that he is a bit of a wild [TS]

01:30:33   card and likes his life a certain way I [TS]

01:30:35   mean just you know first put in [TS]

01:30:36   principles Clarice like he does not like [TS]

01:30:38   being in Washington where he goes [TS]

01:30:40   freakin golfing every weekend in a [TS]

01:30:42   different state like that's there's this [TS]

01:30:45   job is not suited to his personality why [TS]

01:30:48   so many executive orders he likes to [TS]

01:30:50   autograph things and be photographed [TS]

01:30:51   that kind of thing he's good at what [TS]

01:30:53   like he likes that and he likes he likes [TS]

01:30:55   the rallies and the stuff like that but [TS]

01:30:57   I don't I think to say he's going to get [TS]

01:31:00   bored what I think would be a little [TS]

01:31:01   dismiss [TS]

01:31:01   but I don't think he likes this job I [TS]

01:31:03   don't think he gets to be the kind of [TS]

01:31:05   person he wants to be in this job he [TS]

01:31:07   wants to be liked by people and he wants [TS]

01:31:09   to golf a lot I mean he basically wants [TS]

01:31:11   to be a retiree who does a volunteer job [TS]

01:31:13   he doesn't want to do this job I think [TS]

01:31:16   if he can get to a point where in in his [TS]

01:31:19   own world view and in the world view of [TS]

01:31:23   the people who still are crazy for him [TS]

01:31:26   yeah if he can declare that he's made [TS]

01:31:30   America great again and it did took far [TS]

01:31:33   less time than anybody ever expected and [TS]

01:31:35   then he can just just walk off into that [TS]

01:31:38   you know my job is done America's great [TS]

01:31:40   again pensee here can clean up you know [TS]

01:31:43   can can dot the i's and cross the t's I [TS]

01:31:46   think that he but I think he's guy think [TS]

01:31:50   he'd he'd have to you know figure out a [TS]

01:31:52   way that he and at this point he can't [TS]

01:31:53   say that yeah hasn't done anything no [TS]

01:31:56   but Vicky the other angle is like you [TS]

01:31:58   think about his even more common theme [TS]

01:32:00   nowadays it's how undermined he is yeah [TS]

01:32:03   by by by the media and by these [TS]

01:32:06   perfidious Republicans and like [TS]

01:32:10   basically he's he's not he's he's a [TS]

01:32:13   person who isn't sure what to do in the [TS]

01:32:16   absence of a clear enemy so you know I [TS]

01:32:19   the other guy I agree with you the if he [TS]

01:32:21   could maaga to his if you can pound sign [TS]

01:32:24   maaga in a way that he can claim victory [TS]

01:32:26   sure and the other thing is though he [TS]

01:32:28   might be able to like you know set his [TS]

01:32:31   own personal Reich's Reichstag fire he [TS]

01:32:34   might self-immolate and say like oh you [TS]

01:32:36   know the dishonest media and the you [TS]

01:32:38   know failing New York Times everybody's [TS]

01:32:40   undermined me so like I could do better [TS]

01:32:42   work like going and creating my own TV [TS]

01:32:44   network right like then that I could [TS]

01:32:46   affect some real change in this world [TS]

01:32:47   yeah he needs a weenie CC it is curious [TS]

01:32:50   he does need an enemy like it's very [TS]

01:32:52   clear and and I just saw I didn't watch [TS]

01:32:55   all that can't take him in large doses [TS]

01:32:56   but I saw that he had a campaign rally [TS]

01:32:57   and and the fact that it did 60 days in [TS]

01:33:02   the office he's holding campaign rallies [TS]

01:33:04   for an election that was my daughter my [TS]

01:33:06   daughter keeps saying he knows he won [TS]

01:33:07   right like I think he knows he won it's [TS]

01:33:11   still all about Hillary Clinton well the [TS]

01:33:13   election was five months ago all [TS]

01:33:15   yeah and yes and and and his his his [TS]

01:33:17   rally a night or two ago in in kentucky [TS]

01:33:20   i think it was in Louisville was was [TS]

01:33:21   about Hillary Clinton and he said and he [TS]

01:33:24   said something to the effect of we're [TS]

01:33:25   going to protect the Second Amendment [TS]

01:33:27   what's going to be in such good hands [TS]

01:33:28   and it wouldn't be if a certain someone [TS]

01:33:31   else had won this election and it this [TS]

01:33:35   election is so it was sort of like in [TS]

01:33:37   the present tense it's like dude that [TS]

01:33:39   was five months ago like that is Hillary [TS]

01:33:42   Clinton's out water on woods god bless [TS]

01:33:46   her I love her but this election like [TS]

01:33:48   this guy is is crazy at you know in [TS]

01:33:52   terms of his need to have an enemy so I [TS]

01:33:53   don't know I don't see it check back in [TS]

01:33:55   and check back in in July yeah I think [TS]

01:33:59   so we need a holiday party I need some [TS]

01:34:02   Brazilian stick [TS]