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344: Metaphors All the Way Down

 

00:00:00   the incomparable number 344 March 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/0">TS</a>]

00:00:10   welcome back everybody to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12   incomparable i'm your host Jason stell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/12">TS</a>]

00:00:13   and we're here it's an edition of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   book club and Scott McNulty is not here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   ah what you know what happens he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22   on every book club he doesn't read all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   the books he only read some of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/24">TS</a>]

00:00:25   he doesn't remember old and he certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   doesn't remember I didn't remember I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   I got to make confession I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   remember anything about these books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   i did a reread and so we're here to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   about a book from two thousand one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/37">TS</a>]

00:00:40   another one from two thousand five by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/40">TS</a>]

00:00:43   both by neil gaiman first american gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/43">TS</a>]

00:00:47   and then we'll also talk a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   about a Nancy boys which is not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/48">TS</a>]

00:00:51   sequel but has a lot of connections to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   American Gods doing this now even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   I read this book whatever 15 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   is because there will be a TV series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   American Gods coming on the Starz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   Network in the US and Netflix everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   else in the world in the next month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/66">TS</a>]

00:01:10   month or so so joining me to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   these two books by famous comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   writer Neil Gaiman how will he succeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   as a novelist hmm are the he succeeds I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/77">TS</a>]

00:01:21   forget that he's a comic book writer now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   that's how well he succeeded are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   following fine people David J laura's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   here hello hello there Monty Ashley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/86">TS</a>]

00:01:30   watch my coin trick whoo now if i stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   believing in you do you go away I at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/93">TS</a>]

00:01:37   end of the podcast that's if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   believe in me anymore I go away it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/99">TS</a>]

00:01:40   true okay pressure on you never forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/100">TS</a>]

00:01:44   never forget Glenn Fleischmann's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   here hello hey you always knew I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   more an idea than a person Jason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   knew it yeah you're one of the new God's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   the god of Glenn and it's just about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   long as we believe that they're unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   collect connections between people Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   will remain in existence I was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   one of these books between the two days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   I play jeopardy effect so there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   Glenny the the thing that's amazing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   you actually know your dentist's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   relatives god that's true it's strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   and allene Simpsons also here hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   hello um so who's starting the war Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/134">TS</a>]

00:02:18   midscale enjoys man it's yeah we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   even need to ask really we knew it I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   trickster god you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/143">TS</a>]

00:02:24   it's true it's low-key Fleishman so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/144">TS</a>]

00:02:29   you know I've been watching the run up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/149">TS</a>]

00:02:33   to the release of the American God TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   series and I've been like okay that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   cool i remember i read that book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   remember i liked that book then I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   to the wikipedia page for american gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   and i look at the plot summary and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/162">TS</a>]

00:02:43   thought I don't I well no that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   true I literally remember nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   a Nancy boys at all and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   really liking it American guides I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   remember some of it but then as I reread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   it because I did reread it I was amazed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   at how much I just didn't remember I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/180">TS</a>]

00:03:04   guess its I feel like I'm becoming Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07   melty now I I just so little i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   remember shadow and i remember his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/190">TS</a>]

00:03:11   relationship with his with his wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   I remember going to the small town and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   remember the house on the rock I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   remember little bits of it but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   really great to revisit actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   enjoyed it a lot but it I had no I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/202">TS</a>]

00:03:25   no good memory of this I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/205">TS</a>]

00:03:26   everybody here read it awhile ago I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   the original release when it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   and then I read it again when the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/211">TS</a>]

00:03:36   expensive Hill House slip cased authors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   preferred edition came out that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   going to be the only way I could read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/221">TS</a>]

00:03:42   the other ten thousand words and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   would explain things that Neil Gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   had purposely left out of the book and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   they did not explain that and be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/229">TS</a>]

00:03:53   content came out in paperback formerly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   Irina Nancy boys first because I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   him interviewed on NPR about it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   was kind of stressed you know this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   exactly a sequel so I read that out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   interest and then I think a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   later picked up in rent american gods as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   I say finishing it between two episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   of Jeopardy taping and it was and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   know seem like a very different book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   then I Jason had the same experience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/256">TS</a>]

00:04:17   remembered maybe a little differently i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   remembered that plot much more closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   but the detail I forgot entire like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   subplots and side trips because it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/265">TS</a>]

00:04:28   yeah other gods in particular is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   definition of a picaresque novel they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   from place to place to place to place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   place as game and did but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   and you know it does have an overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   theme it comes back but it is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   forget some of the picaresque locations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/281">TS</a>]

00:04:42   that are stopped by oh yes now I I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/282">TS</a>]

00:04:46   it when it came out and got through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   whole thing and thought wow that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   have been shorter and then I yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/291">TS</a>]

00:04:55   I really like it don't get me wrong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   love him as a novelist but then when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/298">TS</a>]

00:05:02   first announced oh I'm writing a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03   that is loosely connected to american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06   gods and I thought well I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   read that because I already read a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/308">TS</a>]

00:05:11   of american gods and but then he kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   calling it his thorne-smith novel and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   love thorne-smith and I thought okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   well if he's if he's really doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   something in that spirit it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/321">TS</a>]

00:05:22   shorter because you can't sustain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   for 500 pages and and it'll be light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/325">TS</a>]

00:05:28   it'll be fun and so I gotta Nancy boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   as soon as it came out and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   enjoyed it more although I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   American Gods is probably the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   richer deeper more respectable book if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/337">TS</a>]

00:05:41   that makes sense that's that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   that you would put up there on your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45   shelf of great novels that you might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/345">TS</a>]

00:05:49   ever read again but I enjoy to Nancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   boys a lot more Eileen what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   picture it's San Francisco 2009 em was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/354">TS</a>]

00:05:58   the first time I actually read american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   gods and i can remember it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   was actually um I'm a person who suffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   from chronic illness and I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   through kind of a down cycle and working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/367">TS</a>]

00:06:10   with doctors to figure it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/370">TS</a>]

00:06:11   American Gods was literally the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   book I had been able to read in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/373">TS</a>]

00:06:14   something like three or four years so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/374">TS</a>]

00:06:17   have a very clear picture of reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   in the w hotel looking over the Bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   Bridge like I remember reading American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   Gods very clearly because I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   been a voracious reader and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   couldn't for so long so for that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   I'm really biased toward american gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   because it was reconnecting me with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   novels and reading and something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/395">TS</a>]

00:06:36   that I really really loved and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   enjoyed the book and it was the 10th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   anniversary edition know so this must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   have been 2011 actually not she does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   picture differently slightly differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/406">TS</a>]

00:06:47   the fog is a different text hang on hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   on got a week mcallen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   the wall is slightly off a place in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   heart forever I still love it I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55   love it um I was reading and Nancy boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   for this and I have the addition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   barnes & noble that's like I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   original edit of american gods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   Anansie boys and i picked it up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/424">TS</a>]

00:07:07   started reading it in preparation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   this because I was like oh I never got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/429">TS</a>]

00:07:10   around to reading that and I was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   and I was like this is a lot like never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   wear this is all standing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   familiar like there are things we not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   term scenes and that kind of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   I'm like this is this is just never wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   and then i got like I don't know a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   half way through or so and i realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   that i had read this book and because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/446">TS</a>]

00:07:30   a specific segment home McNulty neatly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   in the penalty I don't have any memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/452">TS</a>]

00:07:36   ever of reading this book at all I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/456">TS</a>]

00:07:40   no idea when what happened and I enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43   it but I have no idea when I read it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/463">TS</a>]

00:07:46   the first time I mean like he's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/466">TS</a>]

00:07:49   right when he called it a thorne-smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/469">TS</a>]

00:07:50   novel because it is it is light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   inconsequential first that as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   you're done it's gone and you can enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   it again but yeah in reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   synopsis I was like oh yeah I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   remember that that was a really wacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   funny book about these two mismatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   brothers who have the heirs to be Anansi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/484">TS</a>]

00:08:07   the spider fortune their brother was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   quite identical brother I don't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   agree that it's all that fun no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/492">TS</a>]

00:08:16   like anyone in a nancy boy well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   take your word for that because all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   remember is that it was a zany zany book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/500">TS</a>]

00:08:23   but I I didn't reread it and all I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   got is a Wikipedia summary to go on then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   the main character is fat charlie he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   a mope and a half for a blue two-thirds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   of the book so I don't like him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   everyone else in the book is a huge jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   to fat charlie all over the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   character is supposed to hate and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   characters were supposed to like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   just make this guy's life awful a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   hundred percent of their screen time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   remember finding it amusing and not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   I expected after having read american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/530">TS</a>]

00:08:51   gods when you hear that he's based he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   taking a really fun side character for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   one book and he's in the title of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   next book i personally expected more uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   Nancy for mr. Manson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   barely in it yet yeah that's that's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   is true you know one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   things so when I was in like second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   grade we listen we like learned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   full characters from around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   and I remember loving and not see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   spider so I've enjoyed Anansi the spider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/555">TS</a>]

00:09:19   as a concept as a folk tale for most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/559">TS</a>]

00:09:23   my life and so when I read American Gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   I was like I got it look I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   that it right it was so it was so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/568">TS</a>]

00:09:29   and I've been coming back to what David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   said about be it being so long one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   the things I really liked about american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   gods and that in reading it again it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   long I actually thinking about the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   show I was thinking well this is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/580">TS</a>]

00:09:43   source material for the TV show because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46   American Gods feels like a book where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   Neil Gaiman who is English and moved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/588">TS</a>]

00:09:51   the Midwest he moved to he lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   Minnesota for many years when he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   this book he lived in Minnesota and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/595">TS</a>]

00:09:56   was traveling around the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   and I feel like this is the book where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   Neil Gaiman was like all right I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/601">TS</a>]

00:10:02   empty my notebook of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   observations I've made about America as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   a person who is English and has come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   America and live there and so it is huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/609">TS</a>]

00:10:12   and it is digressive and it has details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/612">TS</a>]

00:10:17   that are kind of bizarrely specific and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   and if you were a he was a nobody writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/619">TS</a>]

00:10:24   and you were a book editor and you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   like I'm really concerned about how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/626">TS</a>]

00:10:27   this book is you could cut 200 pages out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   of it pretty from the original pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   easily and no one would notice but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/632">TS</a>]

00:10:35   said I thinking about it my context of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   the TV series one make great material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41   background material for building a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   for a TV series so it's actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/643">TS</a>]

00:10:46   nice that they've got all that material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47   because that he threw in there and uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   and too he's such a good writer and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   forget you know I know about it in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   concept and then I read his prose again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   and I just think oh my god this guy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   so good that I'm okay with how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/660">TS</a>]

00:11:05   digressive it is and how many bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   tangents he takes because it's also good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/666">TS</a>]

00:11:10   that I'm like all right sure let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   that for a while but back tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   that ancient god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   sure he's got a knack of building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   character or a world in like a paragraph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   or two like we meet Anubis and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/680">TS</a>]

00:11:24   jackal in the book it's just I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/684">TS</a>]

00:11:27   think in like three paragraphs do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   know where they are you kind of know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/689">TS</a>]

00:11:30   relationship to one another and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   settled in Cairo Illinois right here oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   yeah which is that we touch yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   it's perfect the symbol is the thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   as mr. Wednesday says yeah oh so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/700">TS</a>]

00:11:44   should say I mean if you haven't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   this book why are you listening to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/706">TS</a>]

00:11:47   but if you have read this book that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/707">TS</a>]

00:11:48   the premise of it is I mean yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/708">TS</a>]

00:11:51   there's some twists and turns I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/711">TS</a>]

00:11:52   like it's much more about the journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   than it is the destination the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55   the climax happens and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   another like hundred pages after that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   they don't get to the war they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   promising that's a problem well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   true right so I think the premise of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/722">TS</a>]

00:12:05   is this premise is that people's belief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/725">TS</a>]

00:12:09   in God's or fairy tales or folk tales or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   whatever creates representations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   those things in the real world and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   in this case America and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   something i really liked a lot the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   that North America is a land that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/741">TS</a>]

00:12:24   resistance to resistant to giving them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   the level of powers that they might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29   had in the old world but they they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   still around so if you're an immigrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   and everybody who lives in in America is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   an immigrant and we even have a segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/756">TS</a>]

00:12:39   where the initial people who came across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   the land bridge bring their gods with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   them to everybody brings their gods with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46   them and then those gods kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   particularly powerful are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50   kicking around in America until until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   they are not believed in anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   that is that is the premise of this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   our character shadow who we meet early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   on he's the protagonist of this book he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   ends up going to work for a man named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/784">TS</a>]

00:13:05   mr. Wednesday who you may discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/785">TS</a>]

00:13:09   immediately or it may take you 50 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   to figure it out is Odin from Norse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14   mythology by the way that's Neil game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   its most recent book is a just a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   book of stories from Norse mythology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   we meet many other characters including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/799">TS</a>]

00:13:22   Anansi the spider along the way as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   as modern gods for the cons that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   is now people worship other things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/809">TS</a>]

00:13:30   and meet mass media and that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   they're in opposition to mr. wednesday i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/812">TS</a>]

00:13:36   get the way they are described clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   takes the position that television is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   bad and technology is bad the new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/821">TS</a>]

00:13:45   are bad and the old things are good is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   that the author or is that just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   viewpoint of mr. Wednesday who's placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/830">TS</a>]

00:13:54   himself in opposition to them I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   it is the off the ladder it's also 2001 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   the internet was terrible in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   thousand so it's media at me the way now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   Scott we did you gave a skeptical well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   there I think it's all from Wednesday's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/845">TS</a>]

00:14:08   perspective right he uh we're past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/848">TS</a>]

00:14:12   spoilery part right picture I mean again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   I will just make it clear if you care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   about what happens in this book don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   that so yeah so very early on he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   recruits shadow to work for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23   shadow is kind of on the side of the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/863">TS</a>]

00:14:27   gods um just because that's what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   been exposed to and so I do think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   it's from that perspective and not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   much the author's perspective I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   maybe it's both but I'd never read it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   a like Neil Gaiman preaching at people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   to not watch TV and stay off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   freeways I read it as The Clash of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/885">TS</a>]

00:14:48   old and the new and how does that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   resolved and how do they view one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   another well we see lots of old gods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   they're mostly I'm gonna say quaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   which I'm gonna come back to later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   they're charming okay they're jackal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   ibis even if they're crooks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   wednesday or mad sweeney they're fun but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/904">TS</a>]

00:15:07   then we see the new gods and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   described as fat as smelly and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/910">TS</a>]

00:15:16   the ones who are torturing our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/916">TS</a>]

00:15:17   protagonists like just the way the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   gods are described compared to the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/920">TS</a>]

00:15:21   the new gods are described i think game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24   in very much takes a position here yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   although it gets it by the end we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   realize that do gods are dupes also and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   that there is kind of this you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   I mean that's we don't really get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34   war because I mean jumping ahead we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35   don't get the war because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   it turns out there is the no battle you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/936">TS</a>]

00:15:39   know one group the intangibles have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/939">TS</a>]

00:15:42   know they it's kind of like gaming gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   us the truth early on the intangibles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   say well we just think the market will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/946">TS</a>]

00:15:47   work out this eventually we already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   a war which is kind of what the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   says ultimately is that the war is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   concocted thing and these new gods will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   come and go themselves they have no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/956">TS</a>]

00:15:59   know protection either they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/959">TS</a>]

00:16:00   avenged yeah but just because one group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   of God's isn't winning the war doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   mean that one group of God isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/964">TS</a>]

00:16:05   described as being much worse than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   other group yeah I i agree i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   a pretty harsh depiction i mean its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11   course like media offering to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   Lucille Ball's balls uh you know naked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/973">TS</a>]

00:16:16   chest is I think one of the most like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/976">TS</a>]

00:16:20   that terrifying it's an ugly thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23   the book intentionally and it's and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24   brought back up later it's such an ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   idea right and so that's and then later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/986">TS</a>]

00:16:29   you know media is packaged as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   who looked really slick and whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   is like shadow says you know I I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/992">TS</a>]

00:16:35   it better when you were just upfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   about you know being as coarse as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   really are that's not a positive image I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/998">TS</a>]

00:16:39   will agree I still disagree I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   understand what you're saying but um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:45   didn't I didn't get that at any event I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   think I think we will find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:50   about how named Neil Gaiman feels about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   these new gods because the apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   his maybe next novel is a sequel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:58   american gods and really the rumor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   that it's about the new gods and I'm son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:04   lies about why he would do that I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   maybe theres some timing involved there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   I just feel be good now it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   how great television is everybody exit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   laughing all the time about rats retcons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:16   the entire book oh my god also just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:19   as shadow is learning how to do magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   tricks you know this story telling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   this is a part of what this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   about is about you know stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   legends and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:29   storytelling can be a magic trick we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:32   watching as it turns out a con being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:36   perpetrated by Odin and Loki we are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   watching a con being perpetrated by Neil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   Gaiman where he needs to get us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   really believe that a war between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   gods is coming between old and new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   so he's going to ramp up like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   differences between the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:50   new gods because he doesn't want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   pay too much attention to what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:53   whole thing we rode and talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   various cons that her famous that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   on for many pages good many many pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   many pages and is paid off later and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:03   I feel like he's you know he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   he's doing a lot of misdirection to he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   doing a lot of look over there when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   when the coins over here himself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   order to sell you into this this premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:16   that turns out to and not at all be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   so I think that that is a part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   where he wants you to feel like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   yeah I'm for shadow and those new gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:26   are bad and but it's actually just part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   of the magic trick this edition of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   incomparable is sponsored in part by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   John Birmingham's book a girl in time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:35   the eve of a huge breakout success a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   poor but brilliant young game developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   is pulled out of her world and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   itself by a cowboy desperately searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   for the daughter he lost 200 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   that is the story of John Birmingham's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   girl in time which sm sterling described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   as a smashing time travel cross cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   adventure deranged and brilliant I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:59   to say I read it too I really liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   and John Birmingham can't pay me to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   that I liked his book only to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   it but I really enjoyed it it was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:08   of fun it is a rollicking time-traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   adventure star is Katie McCall she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   ready to be rich and famous the money is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   going to come into her bank from her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:16   appt sale she's going to be this huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   successful star and then comes Marshall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   John Titanic Smith who rescues her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:24   then they're both lost in time Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:27   magazine wrote about weapons of choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   John Birmingham's first time travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   novel which we covered in episode 163 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   the incomparable that it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   clive cussler novel fell into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   transporter beam with a stephen ambrose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   history and they came out all fused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   together a girl in time is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   that like your favorite episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:43   doctor who got mashed up with a cowboy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   mythology of Deadwood and justified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   while joss whedon watch to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   that Katie McCall smashed all the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   performance indicators for a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   female hero also and I am not kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   about this pineapple and pepperoni pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:57   appears in this book hmm but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:01   John recognizes some people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02   understandably frightened a pineapple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   and pet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   brownie pizza and wonder what it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:05   do to a book even one as awesome as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   for the next week he has dropped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   price of the e-book to two dollars just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   for incomparable listeners two dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   right now get it from your preferred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   online bookstore but get it quick before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   that yummy pizza goes cold a girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:22   time by John Birmingham the notion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   got that God's don't live in America is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   you know it's the plural gods or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   gods of things gods of concepts and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   have one you know overarching unitary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:34   God or try Mary God that swept through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:37   parts of the world and America it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   taken strong root but of course Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:43   the Holy Ghost God the Father don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   appear in this and in I addition I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   there's he's like hey at the end he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   like hey you know well I wrote this bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   about Jesus I thought how could you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   this book and none of Jesus appear but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   didn't want it to be a battle between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   other one governor so here's the part I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   cut out and I read it I'm like yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:58   there's a reason you cut this out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   like what Gaiman said about that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   is that in the scenario of his book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:03   because people ask where's god where's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:06   Jesus he says he says they're doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   well in North America that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12   need they're not gonna deal with any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   this penny-ante business that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15   happening down on this level right guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   totally we're not talking to Odin Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   will not take Odin's calls okay they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   don't need to go to the corn palace for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   a meetup they're fine yeah exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   and I think that is so deftly of damen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   to be like yes I'm just not gonna even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   get into it right let's he doesn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   this to be about um he wants it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:35   about discarded God's garlic gods that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:37   were brought to the New World and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:38   discarded that's what he wants it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   about ultimately and then he places them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   against sort of the gods that are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   cautionary tale of oh you're turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   your television to your God and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48   the opposition but that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   story he wants to tell here is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   about myth and about maybe modern myths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:55   so it's all you know that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:58   that's his goal kid can I ask to I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   like there's a curious of other people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:01   thoughts about this is Miss is a big me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   and rebook with a you know kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:05   wrapper around it and shadow is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   element that plays through it that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   of takes us through the journey and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   story and he's always on stage even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   a lot of actions happening off stage but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   the thing with hensel Mon I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   fascinating and I'd remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   that from my reading and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   remember how it fit into the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:20   even to the point that Wednesday stashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   a shadow in this place in lakeside this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:27   bizarrely flourishing community in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:30   middle of a depressed area and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   is happy it just kind of has it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   we're all you know everything is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   but everything really does seem fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   then all these coincidences pile up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   hensel Mon is a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:41   character he's presented very well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   town is painted very well and then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   the end the fact that Gaiman comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   and says okay the war didn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   we've finished everything off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   everything's tied up but wait a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   there's that guy in Lake ciders than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   mystery of the missing girl right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   then in the history of the book that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:58   happens to pick up that's the minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   foot down gettin full from uh it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:03   critical part of the story but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   like I don't I feel like gaming is tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   that together in a way that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   fully get I don't think it's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   storytelling it's good storytelling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:12   like it's almost like Henzel man is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   nugget like he's the he's a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   for this town it's you know the is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:20   rotten thing at the corner and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21   think about the ones who the ones who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   walk away from oma loss this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:25   basically that story right Ursula K Le [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:28   Guin story it's so powerful is uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:31   know you can have everything you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:32   this time to everything will be create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:33   great we're just gonna kill one child a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   really nice one though the kids are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   going to be great we kill one a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   except that one year will thrive where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:41   we got a note of one yeah but but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:44   that notion he's like the people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   know that's where their bargaining is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46   kind of like well I think they sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   do and there's so there's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   rotten or is it a good deal but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   moral problem that is off to the side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:56   all the pic rest stop it happens in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   place we come back to it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   people feel about that in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   structure of the book the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   remember most of this book before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   reread it was all of the stuff in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   town and exact that's absolutely that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:11   what I remember it's like it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12   really great novella inside this novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   yeah when I think of american gods i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   think of first the hint suleman story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   which i think is great and is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   grotesque when you learned his true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   origins and the descriptions of house on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:27   the rock everything else pops out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   yeah same yeah I think it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   beautiful little beautiful relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   illustration of kind of Shadows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   metamorphosis as a person in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:42   realization of what has been happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   this whole time like it was just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   kind of like he was like yeah this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   really nice town and OH that hun suleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   guys kind of interesting with his car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   and his stories he's a great storyteller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   and then all of a sudden that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   wait I see what's happening and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:01   that that's such a great illustration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02   and such a great tie-in from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:05   earlier in the novel that he's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:08   yeah I figured this out you suck there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:11   some great threats to I mean it feels a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   little bit like a again like it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   its own thing just just that story cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:18   he gets the book and he know it's oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   look there's a guy who looks just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:21   him suleman in the past right and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:24   won't he like that at one point shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   takes the book with him because if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   runs into him suleman he's gonna show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29   to him and I'm thinking uh oh man this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:32   is better though everyone you've met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   since you left jail is a god yeah put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:37   together right bit but if gentleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   finds out that it's gonna be like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   like the the sheriff's dad who figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:44   it out he says at the end and had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   taken care of and it doesn't come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   pass he doesn't show the book to Hansel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:49   minutes on it it's not a thing but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   Gaiman does this call back to where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   had a little vignette about the about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   the character who turns into hanselman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   at the very early on in the book that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   this kind of horrific vignette and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   that's the callback of like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   you were seeing there is the creation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   this of this this worshiped figure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   was a child who was taken away from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   parents and all that kind of a metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   for America that as a child who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   raised in darkness and killed brutally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   to serve as the sacrificial there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   many minutes I mean they're stacked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   like the metaphors are stacked up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23   small town is a metaphor the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   storytelling of Hin Suleman is inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   the storytelling of Gaiman but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   about the storytelling of myths that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   create the gods ah it's metaphors all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:35   the way down you could pull out Hinch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:36   lemon entirely and just have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:39   little town they have this quaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   tradition about sinking and conquer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   clunker every year and now here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   twist and it would I think would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   lot like the lottery oh yeah one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:52   favorite things about this book by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   way is that shadow puts down money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   the time that the clunker goes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   water and that's when he sinks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   clunker when he finds the dead girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   the I think the work to check that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   missed that detail yeah of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:05   did oh yeah it's the time it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   like which I would say is not is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   following by the rules if you go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   onto the ice and make it sink at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   time you don't get your money from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:14   lottery I'm sorry its ties into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   there's a Dirk Gently thing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   actually a common thread and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   you know science fiction fantasy too is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   that in the Dirk Gently books he in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   tea time when he people ask him things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   and he gives them he's pretending to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   a medium at one point he gives Curt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   responses and every single thing he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   is true and it comes true by the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   the book of you have to kind of go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   and check and I think what was the we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   did an accomplished so that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   where it turned out if you checked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   everything that was stated and predicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   was true as well forgot what it was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   but in this too is like shadow doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   know he doesn't know he's a god until we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   get well into it although you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   sort of becomes more obvious but always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   a half-god at least let me god the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   things he says our arch are there not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:00   prophetic he doesn't necessarily make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:01   them happen on that case I guess he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   but there's like a there's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   clockwork well all the coincidences are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   not coincidences is the story of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   book like everything that we think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   like oh isn't that lucky it's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   that wasn't lucky that was part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   the part of the story oh yeah cuz game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   had a gaming how to come back and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:17   us that hint Suleman is the one is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   reason they're all these coincidences in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   this little town right that he wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22   bad store I'm not a bad writer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   wasn't hacked waiting yeah loci being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   his cellmate is another good example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   like you know it's a setup it's a setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   that's the only at least he puts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   right game and being a good writer he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   like alright let me show you how I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   this trick well yeah I first you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:39   it works the other way that like oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   clever I'm a clever reader I recognized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   that the guy's name was low key liye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   Smith therefore I figured out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   Wednesday must have learned all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   shadow from his cell mate oh-ho-ho and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   then it turns out no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   actually wednesday knew before that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   that's good yeah it's it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   the way i like to explain Penn & Teller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   is that they they do show you how tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   are done but they don't actually show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   you how they do their tricks right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   then you get surprised again it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   they're they're showing you they do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   trick they show you how to do the trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:13   and they still pull something while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   you're showing while you're watching how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   they did it and then Gaiman does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   very nicely in the double in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   direction let's talk my shadow cuz he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   our main character he's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:25   guy he's he's in he's in prison we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:28   really get a lot of information about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   why he's in prison there's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:31   but not a lot he beat the heck out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   the two guys he robbed the bank with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   yeah walking away with the money but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   they could never prove that he took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   money and the two guys wouldn't testify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   about the bank robbery so they were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   able to put him away for three years for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   us oh there you go there you go but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:49   a it's not it's not a big mystery it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:50   just handled and it's and it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   and he's not like convicted of a crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   he didn't commit it's just he did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   thing he's serving some time he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   to get out we meet him in jail and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   gonna get out and get back to his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   wife back in in in town and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:08   everything goes wrong cuz it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   that she dies just as he's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   released that she dies with his best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   friend who's going to give him the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   when he goes back that they were having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   an affair and it is into this complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:20   like destruction of his attempt at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   re-entry into the world where Mr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   Wednesday comes in and then of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   what's interesting is he goes to the he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   go this is something I did remember he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   goes to the funeral he's completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   completely confused and and and beside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:36   himself he flips a gold coin into her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   grave and she comes back to life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:43   appears throughout the rest of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   mostly as a reanimated a dead body who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:50   kills people and it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   interesting relationship that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   whoops and she was also involved in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   whole robbery plot somehow but I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:02   really explained like at one point or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:05   couple points maybe even she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   apologizes for getting shadow involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   yeah but it's never really laid out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   she's involved in that exactly and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   would kind of like to know yeah there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15   that like I said they definitely don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   seem to go get all the details of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   you get the sense there's more to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20   crime then lets on laura is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:23   interesting character right i mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   way we meet hers first is this idealized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   you know woman who's the wife of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   prisoner who's going to finally get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   to his sweetheart and then we get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   her as the oh no but she was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   cheating on you behind your back and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   of that and so we get both extremes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   right and then when we meet her first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   she's already dead but now is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   walking around which is interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   uh and and so you get this really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:49   ambivalent kind of relationship where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   there's love but there's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   acknowledgement that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:53   impenetrable like barriers between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:56   not only the the nature of how she died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   which was as a part of having an affair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   with this guy but also the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   she's dead now so you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   metaphorical and literal reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   they can't really connect and it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:10   just find the whole relationship kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   fascinating that there's this great kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   of love between them and and yet also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   this kind of inseparable barrier between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19   them he's very calm about the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   thing which is like like she shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   dead in his hotel room and asks for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   cigarette who's like okay sure I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   buy a pack of cigarettes and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   huh isn't that shadow though like shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   that's that's a funny things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   shadow is that he's yeah he he he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:35   across I mean we learn his origin story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   right which was that he was he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   picked on bookish kid and then he grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   and he became treated then he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   treated like a like a big dumb guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   he's actually smart he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   underestimated all the time and uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:52   also has this thing where he can he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   do damage and be violent but but unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:59   brought to that point he's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:02   easygoing and passive it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   fascinating kind of collection of traits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   yeah unflappable uh shadow meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   Wednesday so early that I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12   everything we see from shadow after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   he's kind of at the point where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   like all right God's got it right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19   and he has an attitude that's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   know as long as you're paying me I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23   believe whatever you want buddy that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   kind of how i feel about like taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   show like buffy the vampire slayer where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   you always have to have people say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   there's no magic spell on you like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:35   been a magic spell every other time Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   right are you sure there aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   leprechauns he reminds me a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   of the character Parker from the Richard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   stark Donald westlake novels who is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:49   unflappable con man I mean he is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:54   know he's out for nobody but Parker but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:58   there's something of the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   you know well this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:02   situation i'm in I accept it I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:05   forward what do I do now and he only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   acts when he has to but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   coming-of-age story to write like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   kind of a big guy who never grew up he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   been a little shiftless he somehow maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   his wife or maybe he kind of got into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   that situation committed an act of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   violence it was unusual for him and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   he's kind of meandering around he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   never figured out what he does is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   always think to is that also ties into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   the Laura saying about him you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   seemed like you were alive I walk into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   room right as you were there there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   presence she's the dead one and she says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   that I'm dead I'm saying this to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   I think I mean obviously the whole book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   is a story of him actually achieving his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   power of the father you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   Freudian thing your father has to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   before you actually you know reach your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   own manhood or adulthood this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   he learns that Odin is his father right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   that's one of the things that comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:54   in it and it's sort of built to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   about his mother traveling around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   world and he ends up as a kid in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   Francisco at one point and all that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   we finally realized that yeah Odin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   his father and that makes a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   then that he was disconnected from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   like actual life and now this insanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   that we're viewing of gods and Wars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13   things like that actually is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14   that connects him back to reality for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   him and who he is as a person this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   episode of the incomparable is sponsored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   in part by audible do you love books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   find you never have time to read them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   you listen to the incomparable book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2125">TS</a>]

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00:35:50   basically any device you can think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2150">TS</a>]

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00:35:54   can listen and with audible you own your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   books you access them anytime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   anywhere go back to them later they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   not checked out or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   they're yours to use right from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2161">TS</a>]

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00:36:09   worry you can exchange any book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2169">TS</a>]

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00:36:12   time no questions asked now in this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:15   episode we discuss the full cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2175">TS</a>]

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00:36:27   american gods featuring a bunch of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   actors including dennis boots of Charis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32   who once personally insulted several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   members of the incomparable staff it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   long story anyway he's a great actor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   it's a great book so you could check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2199">TS</a>]

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00:36:42   choice or any of the books in our what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   are we reading other than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   out-of-print book that Glenn's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:47   mention because it's Glenn those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   unaudible I mean these audibles got at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   all and you can pick it including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   American Gods with the full cast and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2214">TS</a>]

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00:37:09   listening to a great book you can't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2229">TS</a>]

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00:37:25   actually you know one of the things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:26   this is neil gaiman moving to minnesota [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   from england the poor trails of intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:33   cold like shadow at one point goes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   of the house and says it's pretty cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   and he's almost dead like a mile layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   because it's like 30 below and he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   realize it it's like I that's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:44   the details of like how you put tape on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:45   the windows with like plastic wrap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   all that and it's like that Neil Gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   learned that because he moved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:50   Minnesota but as a native californian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   especially it's like wow I I that stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   with me that this town where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   intensely cold like that just amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   detail not nothin do with God's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   just like it's really cold that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   really that's the most terrifying thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:05   in the book for you isn't it yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   30 below are you kidding forget that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   it's just spectacular so that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   little just evocative part there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:14   much of akut of stuff in here we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:15   even mentioned at least other than as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18   aside lots of little short stories in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   this entire book about like how this how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   somebody came to America from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26   and brought their God along with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:27   and there are many of those and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   are all pretty great too I mean I kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   about you know I read a lot of american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   gods and all that but it reminded me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   Isak Dinesen it reminded me of Italo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   Calvino with with just these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   side stories about God's and myth and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44   was just that I loved I didn't mind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:47   I actually I almost didn't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   the plot of the book I really preferred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   the little digression if we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:54   snooty it reminds me a little of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   second part of Don Quijote which is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:58   very much a story about stories in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   the story will come to a complete stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   so somebody can tell you a story well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:07   that's what I say like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   looking at this as a book editor you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10   could have paired this way back to with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   a fun story fun fantasy story right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16   Gaiman has enough clout that he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:19   be listened to and and he's so good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:23   it I mean this is I want to come back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:24   this like when he was writing this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   he was I mean he wrote never wear it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   true but like he was famous comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:33   writer Neil Gaiman right he pretty miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   comic book writer Neil Gaiman and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   writes american gods and I read it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:43   think well I mean now it's a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   obvious a lot more obvious right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   we know Neil Gaiman now but I read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   and I think damn this guy was so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:52   like never where is good but it's not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:55   the level of american gods in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57   his just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:57   you're writing skill I think he'd done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:00   half of Good Omens I don't like Good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   Omens I don't like Good Omens at all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   like Good Omens very much okay and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   like never wear to never wear is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   book but i don't i don't like gas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   paragraphs and never wear and go like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   my god this guy is such a good writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   and in american gods i did that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   time i was thinking about the whiskey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   jack business in terms of the writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:21   where they call him whiskey jack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   heat over a few pages in the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   thinking in his head doesn't there's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   many syllables there not saying whiskey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   jack but they keep saying whiskey jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31   whiskey jack and then after a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   while introduces the we skated jack or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   whatever pronunciation is and but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   slow and so you're hearing shadow here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40   something wrong and interpret it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43   different way and i thought was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   clever but it didn't bug because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   like I have this little itch in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   like okay it's not whiskey Jack what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:49   it is he gonna tell us is he gonna tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   us and the story progresses and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52   like oh it's just more complicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   say name I think there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:55   respect for Native Americans in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   book that I appreciate too if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   going to talk about American Gods you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   need to talk about the Native American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   Gods too and so I like that we have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03   we have a Native American character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   Sam and we have a Native American God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   and then we have the story of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   coming because the Native Americans were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   also immigrants thousands of years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   to this continent and we get that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   too and I like all of that all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   stuff is is is is pretty cool too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   it's just mixed into the pot and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   gaming's game and saying everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   brought their baggage with them when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:26   they came here this is a story as old as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   time like in fact it's the it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   Egyptians came here which is also by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   way I would say it's really cool but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   totally not supported by historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   records but but the Egyptians came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   the Mississippi River sure why not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:40   then we know that the Norse came to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   you north america around a thousand they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   all brought their baggage with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   left it here he's great even works in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   that that scout in the the tribe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   kind of coming over the land bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:52   whose gender bending and his you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   a scout was perceived as a man and does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   a man's job and is married and that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   a child you know through whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   offices and I was like that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   recollection I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:03   of anthropological history but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   recollection is that is common across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   many cultures is that men and women had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   more fluid roles depending what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   needed they would step into a gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   role as opposed to being required to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   of that gender or being of a fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   gender I like the also i think one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   the most beautiful and heartbreaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   moments in is the story about the about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   the first people coming to north america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   oh yeah and the end of that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   basically like those people stayed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   of course the some of them stayed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   the others moved on and they created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   other tribes and all of that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   you know many thousands of years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   some of those descendants came back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:40   this original valley which was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   valley that was that was lived in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   killed all the people who are there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   found destroyed their God and found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   their God in the cave and threw it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   a ravine it's like it's so sad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   that's the depth that's deep history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   right deep human history of tens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   thousands of years not even knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   those were the first there were their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   relatives and the first place that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:03   as a people landed in this continent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   it's just it's yeah it's tragic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   beautiful oh alright he had to make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   the details but the overall story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:12   certainly accurate right yeah yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   that's what the that's what the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   shows yeah um I'm a big fan of channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   bog I think he is a 1 i've not chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   it's great character Wow well maybe I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:26   Chernabog maybe I'm bila Bhagat depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   it depends on the season yeah but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   I love that sort of weird flat with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   these old Slavic people who are gods but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   also you know over boiling vegetables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   and just the he comes from almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:41   different book but he sort of fits in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:42   like like a Nazi like you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   they're visiting from another story into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   this story and there's a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   world I mean which leads us to not see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   boys but but cherub ah I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   just this the fact is he's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   resigned to his fate he figures he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   eventually gonna die out all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   believe them are gone he's a pretty dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   God he liked human sacrifice that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   part of what he was about and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   all these great forces arrayed and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   then he gets you know he he gets younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   because he sort of absorbs energy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   the fight and that bet he makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   wonderful moment when shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   Isis he has to put something at stake to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   make it real and it's kind of a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   bit of shifting point that's when Zoey a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   bowl and Shania takes him off and gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   him the moon and so forth but it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:25   great thing it's like he puts himself on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   the line it's like okay well some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   we're all done you come back and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:30   going to hit you in the head with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:31   hammer and kill you so I was like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   right and then I'll win the next game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:34   you come with this okay that's the deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   and he's always hanging over us for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   rest of the novel even though we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:39   pretty sure I mean I was pretty sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:40   first time I read this that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42   gonna end with shouting his head bashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43   in right that was good that knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   something would happen yeah now he's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   he's a cranky old man like can't cranky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   crusty old guy who's Katie was young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   good cuz cuz by the undies younger he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   looks healthier and he becomes bulabog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   because the world is changing it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   brighter world and the three sisters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   cool there's I mean we could go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:00   forever about the all the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   because there are a lot of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:03   interesting characters we mentioned mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   ibis and jackal oh I love this drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09   and they were on the funeral home that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   a great bit i love i love that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   just they're a lot of really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   gods that we meet along the way and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   love that they're all kind of down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:19   their luck that's why we meet them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   that they're not really worshipped so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   much anymore and and they just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   make do and get by and they tell horror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   stories of like gods that they've known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:29   who have fallen on even harder times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   like whoever it is who ends up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   being a bird I'm eating roadkill Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   Horace Horace Horace goes mad and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:40   it's just a bird most the time yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   would like to briefly complain about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   forgotten God if I may everybody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   to good all right there is a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   who Neil Gaiman goes out of his way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   describe as rich and at the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:59   things but that shadow cannot remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   at all beautifully presented and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   face of it I think that's really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   however I also think Neil Gaiman had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   specific God in mind he said yes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   is a specific God that can be figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   out and I think that it completely fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   to describe whatever God he's picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   whether it's Hades which is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   people's guests at one point the faq on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   his website somebody asked who is it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   then he said well I was going to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:26   but then I got this other email saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   please don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:28   people so now I'm never going to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   that question isn't it beautiful for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   to be undefined like that that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   reminds me of the silence and Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   right you look away and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   remember anymore its kind of really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39   in the story and do we need to know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   a story it's made up sometimes not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   the parts of a story fit I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   was the invisible hand of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   except he explicitly states that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   intangibles are modern and they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   invisible hand of the market as it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   think you know the invisible here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:53   market goes back like it's an economic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   fact for hundreds of years as a as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:58   concept but he said no it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   stock market so it's not invisible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   many people come up with many guesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   and again I'm gonna say Neil claims it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   a specific God I like that as a concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   though it didn't bother me that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   know who it was but i think i started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   reading the book i saw some reference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   it that you never find out who it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15   and so when i read the book again i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   like oh yeah i'm never gonna find out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   i just cope with that if it hadn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   a real god i would love it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   would be Oh somebody we forgot although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   this forgotten God is doing really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   for himself but instead he got kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   cute about it and said oh and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32   but I'm not gonna tell you who it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:33   yeah it's not somebody and I'm honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:38   okay with that that does yeah me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   yeah Monty's angry at neil gaiman's post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   publishing statements about the book not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   the actual text of the book yourself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   this case right I want to move on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   just let everybody I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   American Gods is the is the most notable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   work here to talk about but I did leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   some time because I know some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:54   read or reread Monty hi uh Nancy boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:58   for this and we talked about it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   at the beginning but if there are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   to talk about if you've got some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   to say about an NC boys as the follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   it it's unclear whether it really fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   in the Canon or not mr. Nancy is ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   only a little bit as a ghost cuz the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:11   whole story is that mr. Nancy dies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   he's got two sons that are a mismatched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   pair of sons who are the legacy to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   Anansi again spiritual fortune ? kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:22   thing that's going on so Monty anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:26   more to say about a nancy boy is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   really i mean it it is a much lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   book yeah it has themes but not deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:34   themes it is more more of a farce to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   write down to the fact that like spider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   spider pretends to be charlie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:42   ends up having sex with Charlie's fiance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   and I mean it's like wow it is meant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:49   be like a bedroom farce with God's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   of thing and insert yes and oh boy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:54   didn't realize my family was just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   crazy uh-huh and and I don't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   in like it's a fun book but it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   wacky book I like the thing he brings up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:04   a few times in the book which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   all stories are Anansie stories even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:09   a Nancy doesn't win because stories are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   now about cleverness and smartness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   instead of being Tiger stories which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   all about winning through brute force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   and strength the thing the one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   that I remember from this book and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   actually I didn't remember that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   from this book until I read the summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   and I was like oh that's what that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   is is the climax happening on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   Caribbean islands yeah which is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34   every 30 dramatic at the end there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   that's like the the stakes are raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:37   and there's the there's a Caribbean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   island and I think there's a storm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:42   yeah yeah well what's weird is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   big climax happens both fat charlie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   spider are often in some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   beginning of the world nether realm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   they're not actually involved in saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   the fiancé and her mother now save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   themselves I I have a I have a something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:59   I want to bring up there that ties in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   both American God at scotts and anansi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   boys which was the the representation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   consent and we talked about this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   on / before we do the podcast to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:10   is uh you know I felt it's worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:11   anansi boys because I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   handled trivially that that uh Rosie fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   Charlie's fiancee she's like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   gonna have no not gonna sleep over I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   not gonna have sex with you before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   get married and then shadow waltzes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   and it basically says you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:26   sleeping she's like okay yeah I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29   spider but yeah spider walks in and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30   you'll have sex with me and she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   great and and there's no consequence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   that she slaps him when she discovers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   and that's the end of that and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   both that and then the representation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   mr. Wednesday's having to you know sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   of insatiable need to consume young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:48   women even underage women and at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   point a notes that one of the things he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   learned while I was on the World Tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   was that after he'd had them they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   never have another man again well it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:59   rather harsh and so there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   these different angles I was thinking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   anansi boys in particular reminded me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   like the one of the flaws with revenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   of the nerds is that when the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   has sex with the Darth Vader mask on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:09   with the sports guy's girlfriend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   she's and she doesn't know and he takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   it off and she's like oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15   essentially oh that was great you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:16   and he's like yeah and it's at when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   actually just raped her and I felt a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   little bit of that in this book I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   it's not exactly you know it's not a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:27   don't think it's a depiction of sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   assault per se but it comes really close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   to not making it a bad thing well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:36   think that's on purpose like not telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   you anything you don't know but Zeus got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   up to some stuff he was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:45   attractive swan what are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   about yeah but I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   consequence to his Zeus never gets wet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   mean it's it's not just a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   is the consequence is that mr. Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   and mr. Wednesday the consequences he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   gets killed and he doesn't come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   because shadow is to sort of won't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   him come back you know Laura maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   Laura's the the analog or the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:07   representation of you know that force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:08   that prevents him because she's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:11   who ultimately destroys their ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   Loki and he to to recreate themselves so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   there is some adventure in anansi boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   there isn't it's I did like the bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   anansi boys when spider says later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   know he could have forced her to be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   him but he said even human be didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   snow and eventually become resentful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   even while you're forcing them to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   something but I didn't feel like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   was a resolution it suffer for it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:34   suffer for what he'd done I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   that spider says that he rarely learns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:41   women's names and mr. Wednesday says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:44   something like I've never been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   worried about legality and both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   things kind of pass uncommented on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   that's yeah yeah well and in in American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:56   Gods you know again you've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:57   analog of Zeus and all that and yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   I think that is very intentional where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   is it a Nancy boys I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   I mean it could be but you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   all through the writing of it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   followed his blog while he was doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   and you know it's just like this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   thorne-smith novel in it and for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15   time that was all he called it that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   the only detail you knew about it most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   people are like who the hell's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:20   thorne-smith and it is a little more Bly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:25   than it's attitudes towards towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:28   sex farce because you it can't bear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:32   weight right in a sex farce it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   ostensibly a violent act that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   portrayed as such you could are a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:38   and tries to redeem it later because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   Rosie realizes she fell in love with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   spider not with fat Charlie a spider so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:46   maybe it wasn't as unconcerned sayville [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   to guide her along but I still feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   I guess that's the thing is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   can't have like the fact that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   slapped him and that's the consequence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:55   like okay well we've dealt with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   issue of misrepresentation and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00   ordered to have sex let's move on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   know I don't know I think Damon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:03   generally very progressive and is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   when he does something that it's period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   he also has something that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   awful that happens to the person so did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   you get that doesn't mean anything he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:16   has awful things happen to all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17   characters all the time the Zeus thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   is what struck me about it in American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   Gods is there is that scene the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   notable seen is that shadow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   Wednesday gets served by a very young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   waitress like a seventeen-year-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   waitress in a diner and he keeps talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:33   to her in this kind of gross old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   trying to say charming things to her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   then you realize at some point that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   has God powers and he can just make her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   come to his hotel room and service him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   later and I read that as being first off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:47   you can't read it without thinking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   is bad so I judged it and I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   the author makes it clear that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   something that you should judge and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   too I just I felt like this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   the thing about these gods is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   have these powers and they abuse them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   and it goes all the way back to stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   from Greek and Roman mythology about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   God's having sex with mortals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   creating you know demigods and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   whatever they want and not caring about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   how it affects the mortal people so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:17   know maybe that was me bringing my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   read into it but in that scene American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:20   Gods I mean I I felt like I see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   he's doing here that I am meant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   horrified I am in to think of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   like Zeus and so it worked for me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:29   that level i didn't need I didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:30   more from the author in terms of he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:33   it across to me about what was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:34   and shadow shadow doesn't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   but I feel like shadow is being his past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   himself which is you know he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   doesn't know what he what he could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   but and mr. Wednesday dies forever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   there is that I would like to briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   talk about roadside attractions yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48   which are a huge theme in this book yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   this is neil gaiman coming to america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   and being like wow here is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   that it exists but i did not know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   and i'm gonna work it into my book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58   say that these are places of power in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   American mythology the roadside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   attraction so on the one hand I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:05   with him that roadside attractions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:06   great house on the rock sounds amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   I've paid money to go to a mystery spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   it was amazing things rolled uphill but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   here's the thing about this at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   they Wednesday is explaining how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:19   biltz random things in random places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   because they were places of power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   shadow says so Disneyland must be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28   powerful right and Wednesday has to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   maybe a little but not Disney World know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   basically the imprint we get is the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   successful tourist attractions art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   magical only the little crappy ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   uh-huh now this ties into I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   quote a short paragraph from the book he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   rolled over in bed and closed his eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   it occurred to him that the reason he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   liked Wednesday and mr. Nancy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:51   rest of them better than their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   opposition was pretty straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   they might be dirty and cheap and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   food might taste like shit but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   they didn't speak in cliches and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   would take a roadside attraction no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   matter how cheap how crooked her house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:02   said over a shopping mall any day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05   you know what that really bugs me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   level of classism and looking down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:12   people that that reveals both about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   shadow and I think about Neil Gaiman it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   really really bothers me that first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   all you're saying well I'm better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:21   those stupid masses because I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   places like house on the rock not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:25   Disneyland oh my stars I'm gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   her that's not genuine it's also saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   how much better he is then the idiots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   who built the roadside attractions both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   of those really bother me see I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:40   can go along with the you know going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   the roadside attractions because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:45   you know Disney World and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   that are very coldly calculated whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:51   one crazy person believed in this as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:55   idea and built this thing and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   like okay it's about faith it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   belief it's about you know being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:02   little crazy one crazy person built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   Disneyland David yeah with about my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   like Julian's has some stuff and Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:09   World have no magic because yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   corporate brand extension but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   you're you're on the right track to with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   the looking down on the people who built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:18   the roadside attractions I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   I read it as the chart as Neil Gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   being charmed by Americana that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   read it is then well yeah yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   charmed by these charming poor people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   and they're charming lack of artifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31   he's really looking looking down on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   Monty there's a thing that's described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   which is that two generations after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   people how to do something out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   poverty it becomes an item at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   restoration hardware like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:44   artisanal pasta that was actually made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   because it was the only thing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   could afford to make two generations ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   and it's exactly that's like look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:51   this wonderful magic these yokels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   accidentally made that's really terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   because we can appreciate it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   know I I again I I think that it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   looking down on them but appreciating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   them as more authentic than the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:04   that are constructed to be amusements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   and you know some of this may be some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   this may be also him trying to create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:10   dichotomy between the old and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   where the new is corporate pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   centers that are built for everybody as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:18   profit you know as profit generators and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   the the old are people who just believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:24   in a thing or people found it fun and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   became popular kind of organically so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29   didn't I didn't read it quite as bad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   that but I house on the rock opened four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   years after disneyland both of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:36   creation of a creative person who wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   spend a lot of money creating a tourist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:42   traction the only difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:43   them is that Walt Disney knew what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:46   was doing and was not crazy also he knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:49   where to put a trick tourist attraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   the contempt in the book for for Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   Bunyan though ties into this it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   different aspect but but John Chapman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   has become a liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   has become a liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   kind of God but not exactly and it reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   like I mean I the same reaction after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   reading a Michael Pollan book the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:09   about apples and pot and so forth have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   forgotten the name of the book but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   what I learned that I didn't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   Johnny Appleseed basically owned tracts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   of land was a good businessman had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   really strange ideas but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   basically selling apples to for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   to make Applejack out of because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25   was safe you could drink fermented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   alcohol or distilled alcohol and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:30   made very simply anyway I thought people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:31   are I thought he's playing apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:32   because he ate him but you can't eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   apples planted that way and I'm like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   so Neil Gaiman just write a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:36   this when he read American Gods he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   to stick that in and say I'm John I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   the real guy that Paul Bunyan but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   get when he says something like nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   ever tells stories about Paul Bunyan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   nobody believes in Paul Bunyan you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   like me it's like Paul Bunyan like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   knocked out part of the mythology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   because an ad agency came up with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   and I was like you know I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:57   really liked Paul Bunyan hmm never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   really liked that guy he's got a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   of statues that's true way more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   Johnny apples and roadside attraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   there's no us in the blue ox how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   not love babe the Blue Ox what's it game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   is being yeah yeah babe no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   complaining about babe I think what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   game in saying is that tall tales aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   gods because they're not the same issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:20   with that too is like well really but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   it's like oral tradition of yeah of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   stories that you're telling does it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28   it make a difference he says yes it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   you must worry they must be worshipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   or else they don't they do not count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:32   Paul Bunyan comes out of mythology but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   he's bigger than life there's no Kirk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35   he's only characteristics and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   spread as kind of an advertising thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   as an agglomeration of things as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   to a you know something that arose out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   of culture more I think I think game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:47   making the distinction between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:48   vernacular and manufactured which may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   an artificial distinction it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   based on us in the rock he's walking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:56   really narrow line here because he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   the story he wants to tell the story he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3718">TS</a>]

01:01:59   wants to tell and it does start to break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   apart if you say well what about Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   Bunyan or you know where what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   Buddha what about you know what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   what about these other religions what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   about Muhammad what about like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   so many and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   he's like knitted uh we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:14   talk about any other religions it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16   the ones that I want I want the I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   though kind of outmoded religions over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   here and I want that's like well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   about media wouldn't like the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   said that they liked they were Jedi they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   believed in the Jedi when they filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   out the census form maybe obi-wan Kenobi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:31   should be around like nope nope we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   cooking shoes nope nope right like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   only use public domain so it's tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:37   and while I'm saying I think bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:40   Johnny Appleseed and Paul Bunyan into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   the story at all was kind of a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   like you don't need to go down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   alley and I kind of felt like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   whole the idea of only using public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   domain gods as kind of why he cooed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   things like Disneyland and Disney World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   otherwise you've got Mickey and Minnie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:57   showing up and bet in this battle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   like one copyright issues right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   nobody wants to see the evil side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:05   mickey mouse ray speakers I do yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:09   grew up near disney world i know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   evil side of making me been explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:14   that to children every saturday and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   doubt beaten up locals all right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:19   should we should wrap this up i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   yes it is a little bit long but i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   enjoyed rereading it and i like it and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   recommend that people read american gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   before you go out and watch that TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   read the book it is beautifully written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   and has a lot of fun concepts in it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   feel like I complained a lot i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   like american gods yeah yeah and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   time around I actually listened to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   the full cast audiobook as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   reading it because i know i wasn't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44   to have time to read both of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46   and so I got it from audible and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   actually a really enjoyable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   performance and work of art ovens in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   of itself in that format so if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   want to like sit down and read it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   audio book is amazing it's great oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   there there are a few books where I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:02   the audio book as enjoyable as the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:06   and if there's a movie sometimes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   movie this is one of those i recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   american gods also I've really enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:11   rereading it I think it's very clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   anansi boys I enjoyed reading but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15   don't remember i'm looking at the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   now on my screen and I hardly remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   it it keeps it's the it's the nameless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:22   plot that we don't know but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:25   think it's a good read but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   I mean it has nowhere near the impactor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   or like scope of American guts yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:33   I do really love the that like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   ghosts in anansi boys I think that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39   that whole that whole subplot was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:44   I loved it a lot I mean I love that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   able to tell a totally different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:48   using a similar concept or similar set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:52   of characters but yeah it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:56   doesn't stick I don't think ever said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   this explicitly but the reason a Nancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   boys isn't really a sequel to american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:03   gods it's not the whole cosmology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   different it is you boys yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   premise of it is the gods are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   animals people told stories about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   prehistory there's still tiger they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   still spiders are still bird woman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19   there's this family like an anansie dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:22   and bequeaths his powers to his children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:25   which is not how it works in american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:27   gods either and if you're one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:29   personifications of these things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   go to other countries it's fine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   fine right so so there isn't the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   version of a Nancy it's it's it's wholly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   within a Nancy's mythology as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:40   share it among older yeah that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   about right the epilogue is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:43   thing where he meets the Odin in Iceland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   it's just this very sweet little weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   thing and that God being so relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:50   benign and almost childlike and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:53   kind of being like a gaudy God like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:54   some big trick store whatever he's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   kind of like he's living large right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   yeah he's a solid old God with lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   belief behind them and it's very sweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:01   very quickly before we go I'd like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:04   around into a very quick round of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:05   something you've read recently we call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   this what are we reading something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:08   you've read recently that you've enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:11   that we could also recommend people ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   David do you want to give us something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:16   that you've read recently yeah I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   two books right now I just read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:23   story of your life by ted chang oh yes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:27   had put off for a long time and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:31   currently reading the Black Widow by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33   daniel silva which is a spy novel read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:37   about that story in incomparable episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:40   where we talked about it including me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   and Glen we're on that episode oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:45   one Glen what are you reading well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   got books I'm not reading in big stacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   but tell us about those what are you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:53   reading that would be always for talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   stacks I I was recently reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:58   beautifully typeset book from 9027 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   that's neither here nor there I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:01   that one's ashes the latest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:03   expanse books which I've been unable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   read I don't want to do any spoiling so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:06   but like I picked it up and I was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   cannot read this in the current world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10   climate I realized something at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   moment which was most fantasy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   science fiction books are about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   world being destroyed or earth being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   destroyed or earth having had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:19   destroyed or earth in the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   about to collapse so I go and like under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   eat something fun I'll read hitchhiker's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   guide to the galaxy dough pitch over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28   chapter yeah I do just for escape as for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:33   escapism and for an episode of a foot we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   read some of the Franny Fisher mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:38   novels by Carrie Greenwood we read a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:39   for an episode a few weeks ago and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:42   wound up really enjoying the book so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   much I've read the whole series to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   and they're they're very they're well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   constructed I love the characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   them it's richly fleshed out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   started I didn't realize until reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   recently that carry Greenwood was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   of writing some doing some research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:57   about Melbourne which by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   melbourne was almost called Batman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   australia i have to spread this fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   everywhere the citizen was called Batman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:04   I love this but she was doing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   historical research wounded through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08   series of things pitching a novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   then writing then turning to the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   that's into TV shows as well so I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   the whole the whole run I think 14 or 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   books and they're basically very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   delightful good romps if you like yes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:21   more than Nero Wolfe kind of genre it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   actually very like that in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:25   more than st. Agatha Christie and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27   you go fun together they're charming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:30   right Monty what are you reading uh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:33   I'm a big fan of El frank Baum's Oz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   books but I never read the books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:38   were written after that Oh My yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:41   Ruth Plumlee Thompson I am working my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   way through the Ruth Plumlee Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   books when I get to the end of those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   John our Neil apparently wrote one on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:51   the theory that he's been drawing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   forever he might as well tell the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   himself why not so far they're not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   I've gotten through the Royal book of Oz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   and kabum PO in Oz but I'm told that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:02   after a few she really gets into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   groove and they will feel very Ozzie's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   so I'm very much looking forward to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   also I realize how this will sound given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   an earlier rant I'd make this episode I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   am reading a book entitled Walt Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:17   an American original by Bob Thomas it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   a biography of Walt Disney all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   aleem what are you reading um so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   actually I'm kind of a rereading jag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:26   because I'm just having a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28   getting into new books right now so I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:31   currently rereading the expanse series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   I'm on cibola burn right now um and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:38   listening to the fifth season again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:42   Thank You audible.com for not sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   this episode but I'm going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:45   you anyway and yet in preparation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:49   upcoming maybe book club shows and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:53   need to get get a boogie on nebula best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56   novel nominees soon but they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   first in a series and I'm like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   already invested in so many online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   series I'm having a hard time convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   myself to get started I need to buckle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   down and do that though well speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:09   sponsors I'm not going to tell you one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   of the books that I've read most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:13   recently is one of our sponsors in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   episode so you will have already heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18   that ad by now thanks to John Birmingham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   I enjoyed Becky chambers a closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:23   comment orbit which is this sort of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:26   sort of a sequel to the long way to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   small angry planet Smalling we plan it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:32   a weird book it feels like a series you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34   know of episodes of a TV show closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:37   comment orbit much more of a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:38   doesn't really follow many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   characters it's sort of one character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   kind of from the first book but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:46   thought it was really good like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   good and legitimately a novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   emotional and smart and has lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:54   questions about like finding your way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55   the world and it's kind of the coming of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:58   age story of an artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4258">TS</a>]

01:10:59   kind of um really liked it thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:02   was really good like a way i was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05   wave so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   past my expectations and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:08   first book but for a second novel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   she killed it she did it she did a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   job i recently read for an upcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   episode of the incomparable i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   broken kingdoms which is the second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   of NK jemisin inheritance trilogy and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:22   i i read one hundred thousand kingdoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   and then I just never continue with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   series and despite the fact Glenn told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28   me that they were all really good he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:29   right oh they're so it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:31   yeah broken kingdoms really great book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   and then to wrap it up I've got a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:36   of books so my longtime friend Tom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   degree know who was a incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   listener big sci-fi fan passed away this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:43   week and I decided that to honor Tom who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:47   never got to be on the show although we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:48   talked about it a couple of times he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   see us do our presentation at SAS Quan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   when we did the radio theatre at SAS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:55   quani and his wife Dori came to the king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   of the show so i looked up Tom's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   goodreads because he's a good freed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:00   friend and two books that he he rated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:03   five stars that are fairly recent sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06   fantasy novels and you might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:07   check out up against it by MJ lock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   redemption arc by alastair reynolds both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:13   five stars from Tom Negreanu and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   guy knew what he was talking about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   those are probably both very good books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   you should check them out and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20   gonna miss you Tom so that's it for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:23   edition of the incomparable I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:24   thank my guests for helping me go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:29   and reread books that I've forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   about because that happened and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   enjoyed them I enjoyed rereading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   american gods again aleem sims thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:37   so much for being here yeah always loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   being on the show Monty Ashley thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   it see it slow ki Young's really low-key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:45   if you say it I mean I do like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:48   shadow says it out loud and he's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   I like how slow he is on that one yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:54   know your pal is Odin and you said Loki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   several times not the brightest at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   times David Laura thank you thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:01   thank Allah Fleischman thank you very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   much I'm the nameless Glenn and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   be thanks rub me on and I see everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   out there for listing we will be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:10   next week with another edition of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   uncomfortable until then goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:18   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:22   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:28   nobody leaves home alive right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:31   much Wait Wait nobody leaves home alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   Glenn that is terrible very short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:37   remain indoors remain indoors nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:40   ever gets to come home nobody leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:41   leave nobody comes home and unscathed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:43   I'm sorry okay all right I've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   revealed my plan I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa9RthI/4425">TS</a>]