00:00:00 ◼ ► the incomparable number 346 April 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► incomparable this week we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► talk about books the book club back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► session and I have three fun people here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► to talk about the works of NK jemisin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► who I first discovered when her debut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/22">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► novel one hundred thousand kingdoms was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/25">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► nominated for the nebula award and hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► award in 2010 she's written a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► books since including some fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► books like hugo winner the fifth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► which we talked about in that in 2016 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/38">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► jemisin specifically the fifth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► and the its sequel the opolis gate but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► also more generally about her other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► books are these wonderful people Erika [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► ensign is here hello hello happy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► here I this I sense a quivering in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► earth that comes from the southeast it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► must be the colossal lava powers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► Helene Sims hello hello how's everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► doing I'm so excited to talk about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► favorite author I'm excited to see your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► love of powers yeah just don't burn us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► with your lava but the lan i will try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► we'll see what happens and it's book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► club it wouldn't be book club without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► him other than all those episodes we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/77">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► without him it's got McNulty hi Scott hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► I only read the finest books so whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► book if you see a book club that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► on you know that book is not very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► take that meal Gaiman yeah and Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► me and Stephen yeah those those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► they're not going anywhere mmm their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► failures wash up I say Scott Scott says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► anyway no I think he means they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► going anywhere cuz they're staying at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► the top of the charts yeah it can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/103">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► be nice one well done well done so so NK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► jemisin uh she is like I assume all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/110">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► us first heard about her wet with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► hundred thousand kingdoms in 2010 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► was the one that said that when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/119">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► first novel nominated as nebulae where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► note was it later was it earlier it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► what fifth season was the first item yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► really mm-hmm Wow all right well Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/126">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and I read the hundred thousand kingdoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► take that we were when we knew her back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► when she was just a debut novelist just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► what she was an award with nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► novelist yeah now she she is um if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/142">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► haven't heard of her stuff yet I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► good lord you need to read this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► is basically what this whole episode is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/150">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► going to be which is you need to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► the novels of NK jemisin because every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► time I read one of her novels aye aye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► aye sit sit upright and I go oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► she is really great at writing novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► like busy really good and then I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► go a while between novels and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► oh yeah and king gemini should get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/168">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► that and then I finally get to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► her books and I read it and I think why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/171">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► have I not read all of her books because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► she's so great like every time I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► reminded how good a writer she is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► then quite honestly the next book or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I read after I read one of her books I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► a little disappointed cuz almost without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► fail that next writer is never as good a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► writer as she is she is she is one of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► think one of the best in the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/189">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► right now in writing science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► fantasy novels you know I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► completely agree with you but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► like her writing is is so good and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► don't want to say dense because dense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► positive version of dense is is it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► it so that so that reading her books is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► not it's not like a smooth and easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► fluffy sort of a read I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► difficult but it takes a lot more sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► of brain power she doesn't read like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/221">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► quick quick read books right she's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► you have to concentrate to really to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► catch all of the amazing things that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► character with setting world building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► and all that kind of stuff so i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► have spread her books out quite a bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► part just because i need more time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► chew on all of that stuff and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► like it's it's like exercise like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► i'm doing it it's like yeah this feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► really great and afterwards i'm so happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► to have done it but beforehand like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► never actually you know I'm not terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► looking forward to exercise most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► time so so that's sort of I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► her books as you know an even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► let's go side I do not feel that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► while I'm exercising although she feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► the way after I of it okay i will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► that but I do as I'm reading that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► NK jemisin is not like exercise for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/273">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► because I enjoy it as I'm doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► although much like Jason I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/278">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► devour her books one by one there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► actually I think there's one book of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► hers I have not read yet and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► sitting next to me actually but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/289">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► haven't read it I was all going to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/290">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► it but then the new ian MacDonald book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/293">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► came out so I had to read that first but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► had to you it has 14 priority some moral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► imperative he is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► favorite authors but I think he nudges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► her out but they both share the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► they share in common is that they write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► complex layered stories and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► get so much worldbuilding I think out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► a small amount of writing so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► just Marvel as I'm reading both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► economy of language and they do it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/327">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► well and you know Jason you and I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► talking about John Scalzi and about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► you know he's he's a good writer nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► against John Scalzi he's an entertaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► writer he writes books that are quick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► read they always have fun as I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► them but after i am done with him I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► never had that moment where I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► was a really great book but every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► i've read an NK jemisin book I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► that was a really great book I felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► way about scalzi after the first in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► old man's war series i was like this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► a really great book but with MK jemison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/361">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► i did so I I hadn't heard of her until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/364">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► we did the Hugo nominated novels last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► year and I read the fifth season and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/371">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► kept gushing about it got my husband to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► read it and then as soon as the obelisk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► gate came out we both blew through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and in the kind of the interim between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► but when I read the fifth season when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/384">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► hundred thousand kingdoms like just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► after another so I'm like eric has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► experience of it being kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/395">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► rewarding kind of as you're doing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► after you've done it I was like no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/400">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► need more from her and so I just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/401">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► reading it and at this point I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/404">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► the fifth season three times obelisk 8i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► think twice in in between reading other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► things too I just I love them she's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► a you know we were talking about economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► of language but she's also it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► this beautiful poetic writing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► don't have to work to understand what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► getting and going on in her novels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► I do like I'm reading nine fox gambit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► right now and I'm like five percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► through it and it is so hard I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► idea what's going on this universe is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► very different from from what I'm used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► to in so like that work I have to do of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► getting into things and I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► do with her books as much she's I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► like she's got a gentler ramp up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► introduction into these universes than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► other science fiction and fantasy novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► I have but they are dense like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► there's a lot to them they're complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► but I don't have to work like I do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► other science fiction and fantasy books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► one of the things I reach about NK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► Jefferson is your you bring up nine fox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► gambit which I read which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► fantastic one thing it does not do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► that kind of moment where there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► explains the rules of the language are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► of the world I should say so ropes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► the book you have very you have almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► no idea what's going on which I like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► I really liked that book spoil alert for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► the nebula nominated podcast that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► but she also in as particularly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► fifth season and the obligate I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► like she throws us into this world the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► story is happening she doesn't take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► lot of time to tell us okay there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► people who can you know control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► earth with their their brains and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► by the way these obelisks were from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► past civilization and they do stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► you just kind of have you learned it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► it's happening which I like yeah it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► think about this a lot when I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► science fiction books because obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► if you're not setting it in a world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► we know you have to establish the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► and it is hard to do that in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► as you know Bob or completely baffling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► that is a hard line to walk because as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► writer these are right you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► writers have to very carefully like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► information is given to you so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► can figure it out and if you're too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► in one level it says you know Bob and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you're too far the other direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► it's like you know nfm or I mean there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/551">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► are a few other examples that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/555">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► think of where a lot of people say oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► just didn't even understand what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► going on like what a lien said about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► nine Fox gambit right and and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► can if you can nail that it is a there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► a really great a bit of work and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► not like NK Jameson's work is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► regular world right like she sets up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► these very specific sequences of events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and you're like I don't know where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► is and what's the setting and is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/579">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► even earth the answer is it's not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► how we're probably not and yes and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► have to or is it who knows but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► to figure figure it out but she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► pull you along I know some people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► everything to all the information to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► them up front right there like Idol I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► don't understand I see that on TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► to where people are like but we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► even know why that's the way it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► like yeah that's the point is it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► mystery but you know she does it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► way that isn't frustrating it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/608">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► like you're learning it's very artful I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► i I'm really impressed because these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► super weird worlds that she's created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► inheritance trilogy a very strange world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► that she's built but you figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► as you go and likewise with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► fifth season universe it's it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► figure it out especially since in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► happening at three different times at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► once there are three different points of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/633">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► view that are going on and so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► learning about the world in like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► these different places in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► times so you're getting kind of a vaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► picture of it than you would if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► learning through the eyes of like just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► single character living through their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► life in one in one place alright you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► appreciate that we are going to spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► some of these books now so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► completely a completely spoiler averse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► and yet listening to this episode I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► would say you might want to go read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► you should read the very least fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► season and then and then come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► because I'm about to say something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► is kind of a spoiler but to Erica's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► point about the time frames one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► things I really love about the fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► season is that you're seeing a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/678">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► different stories and it's unclear I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/683">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► mean it's clear that they must be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► different time zones because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► time zones is sort of the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/690">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► world and the other two don't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► reflect that but it's unclear exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► becomes clearer you start to wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► the same character is if it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/702">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► character in all three time zones and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► that what you're really seeing is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► woman's life told out of sequence but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► feel like you can Intuit that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► one of those artful things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► Intuit that fairly early but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► giving confirmation of it until quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► brilliant that you don't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► whether you think you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► think is true is actually true until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► get fairly close to the end and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► it's revealed that it really is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► different names even which i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/735">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► tricky thing I didn't pick up on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► until um so I listened the last time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► read um was actually I finished it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► morning so uh but I listened to it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► was just kind of puttering around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► house and it came to that that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► reveal about um cyan and desmaya being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► the same person and I remember reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► that for the first time on and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/761">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► know and Justin was kind of standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► beside me when that happened and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► looked at each other we were like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/768">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► was really a cool moment for us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► second reveal wasn't as much like by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► that point I was like oh yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► you know this is her even later on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► she does such a great job of switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► between first-person and third-person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► and telling these stories and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► converge and they make sense and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► just beautiful it's just it's art I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I can't call it anything else I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► delightful I have to say it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/797">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► I mentioned this on the nebula episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/800">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► last year it is gutsy of her to start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► book with the death of a child with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► murder of a child because that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► what happens at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/807">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► book and that's that's like the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/808">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► just throwing down like well are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► going to come with with me or not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► this story because it starts out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► brutally but it really does inform sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► of like the journey of the character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► sort of retro actively why you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► discover things about her later that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► did earlier that make you I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► storytelling right because things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► you're seeing because of the way she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► chosen the time sequences you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/834">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► are judging her based on something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► happened here and then later in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► you realize oh that's because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► thing that happened earlier once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► realize that all three timelines are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► actually her at different phases in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► life it so this is a I mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► recent one the award right it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► pretty a pretty spectacular bit of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► I should explain by the way for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► who are still with us but don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► what back we're talking about a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► bit about this this is a world that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/863">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► set sort of a a series of apocalypses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► the idea here is that every now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► the fifth season comes along which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/869">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► season of destruction and there are it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/870">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► a weird world where they're like gems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► floating in the sky and there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► old technology that it still exists from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► previous apocalypses and there's no moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► there's no moon which is hinted at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► couple of points and I kept thinking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► myself hmm I think this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► about the moon not expecting the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► line of the of the first book of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► fifth season to be the payoff of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► that there's the this is all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► fact that there's no moon what does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► mean but but as was mentioned earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► there is this whole earth power thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► where its people with lava powers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► earthquake powers and they can still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► earthquakes and the most powerful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► these origins or rogas depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► whether you're slandering them or not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► they can they can cause the world to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► basically because that's what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► the prologue of the fifth season is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► somebody destroys the world who we then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► meet later and discover quite what led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► during a large part of the world asunder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and it's all III don't mean I've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/933">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► this with people to explain what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/937">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► book is like is and I don't mean it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/938">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► be flippin I'm not trying to joke here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► I'm not trying to run down the book it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► is a very serious carefully constructed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► book that on another level strikes me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► being like one of the best x-men stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► ever told because these horrid jeans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► like kind of their kind of mutants and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► there and they're treated badly but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► have powers and the question is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► this there's a social structure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► meant to give give them you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► society is supposed to control them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/966">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► completely but do they rise up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► dangerous and they can hurt people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► it is that kind of a story but you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► never think that just you know on first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► glance because of the way that the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/978">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► is told but I did appreciate that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► you know like every now and then I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► a book and I'm like oh this is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► like the x-men in a you know it maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► read a lot of comics but like the rook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► actually me um the rook feels like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► x-men 2 it's the same thing where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► like these wack the group of people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► oppression that gets to me the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► these these incredibly powerful people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/999">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► are treated very badly even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► they're so powerful by people who fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► them and that that definitely gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► that vibe and it's one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► love about these books is that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► origins are really really badly treated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► and it's like everybody's afraid of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► for good reason but everybody's afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► of them yeah they're brought to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► basically voluntary slavery there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► guardians are sort of their jailers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► it's not a typical jail because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► they live in dormitories and they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► classes and stuff like that they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► sort of brainwashed into into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► that they are cursed and terrible people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► because of these powers that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and anything bad that happens in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► world is probably going to be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► fault so they need to be watched at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► times unless they have lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► rings and are very powerful apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► except not really as I learn later or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► you could you could say imagine sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► for this Scott but imagine if if in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► harry potter instead of yay I get to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► to school and then do a magic job it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► like you will go to this school and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► you will do this job but the muggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► we'll be in charge of you all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► it's that same idea you find out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► you're a very special person but the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► news is you are going to be treated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► horribly and have no choice in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► because you because you are special and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► that that's the ugly that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► happens in Harry Potter but it is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► happens in the x-men so that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► sticking with my x-men Theory here yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► so the the fifth season tells the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► of this one character in the three time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► frames and we meet a lot of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► characters along the way especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► alabaster who is named satirically by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► people as alabaster because he is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► darkest skin that anybody's seen one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► the things that I think is the case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► the in these books is that it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► clear there there are that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► people there are a lot of different skin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► tones in the books and she does make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► point it's not it doesn't come across as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► anything other than matter of fact but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► you do kind of notice and she does a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► of inversions to where I believe in both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► of her novel series she talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► people with light skin as being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► from I think of a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► kingdoms the light skinned people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► from like the equator and and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► darker skinned people are at the poles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► and she just is a lot of playing around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► with issues of race and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► but alabaster is is the darkest skin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► that anybody's ever seen and so that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► course the column alabaster and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► fascinating character who you think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► you've never you're never gonna see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► again after what happens in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► book but no he's a character in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► whole second book too mm-hmm quite an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► important character too I mean he's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► of the part of the found family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► that she sort of create creates around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► her or maybe draws to herself right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► main character whose name at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► is Essen right yes okay I get mixed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► because she had three different names in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► the first book so it's that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► that sort of carries over into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► second book the obolus gate is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► because it's um it's a it's what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► after the world ends because alabaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► has basically destroyed the main city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► and and and created this it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► be sort of unlivable conditions in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► world for so long that perhaps nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► will survive it and so where do you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► from there and the answer is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► there are other other forces at play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► here there are these you know basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► who who live in donators they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► stone eaters who live in the ground and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► and you get the sense that there is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► this this battle happening on a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► higher level what happened to the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► why are these gems floating in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► and turns out that they are machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► that can be kind of like tuned by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► powers of the origins and we spend a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► of time in obelisk aid inside a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► underground city where where alabaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► literally turning to stone right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► being eaten by a stone eater yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► you not at all creepy or is it creepy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► is it sort of beautiful I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► creepy I'm firmly auntie creepy all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► right why not both are Mary our main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► character with her many names um essen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► in in obligate her her status as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► mother as really comes to the fore in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► the second book which is that we saw her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► her son killed at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► first book and and and what happens is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► her husband takes her their daughter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► leaves and so she's she she discovers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► her son is dead and her daughter is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► and her husband killed the son but kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► the daughter and in obligate we finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► get to see what happens with her husband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► and daughter and that's told so instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► of having the parallel stories of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► her three timelines we get the parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► stories of mother and daughter and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► fact that that like mother like daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► she has a she has a some power that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► is perhaps potentially quite important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► to what happens to this to the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► whether the whether the world can can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► survive or not but I like that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► that we finally got I kind of wrote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► off as something we wouldn't see very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► much of and instead an obolus gate it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► like she just put it aside and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► we'll get back to the father and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► daughter I'm gonna get there but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► you're gonna have to wait until book too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► it's kind of like in in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► you have as you are saying the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► the oppressed origenes and that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► idea sort of on a societal level its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► then we focus in on that very same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► in a second book because we watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► journey with with her daughter NASA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► the father Geeta I believe is his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► and you know he is so very very filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► with these prejudices that he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► brought up with that he killed his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► son at the beginning of the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► beginning of the first book and he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► know rescues his daughter who was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► good child because he at first doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► know that she has powers and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► get to watch the evolution of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► father-daughter relationship which is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► mean she's such a daddy's girl at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► beginning of the book and she's hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► her power from him because she loves him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► so much and then you get to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► evolution of that that relationship as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► she can't hide it anymore and and how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► really has some some you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► friesian going on in his head when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► trying to keep these two thoughts in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► head that this is the girl he loves so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► much and yet she's got these terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► powers so she must be evil and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► ends up driving a big part of the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► towards the end the book clean after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► reading the first book how did Avila [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► skate hit you right because obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► fifth season really you loved it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► jumped out it I did so what was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► reaction to the sequel it's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► hard act to follow right it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► hard act to follow I liked it quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► bit i wish that I'd had more time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► that i could have reread it again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► because what i found is that i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► a lot more I felt like the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► had a lot more memorable moments in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► then the second book does in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► book it's been oh gosh since it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► so that's what close to six months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► since I've read that and so I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► finding that like I've got little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► flashes of things that happen like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► father-daughter story and I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► end kind of well but other than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► it's kind of it's kind of a blur so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► wouldn't say that it falls into I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► heard a lot of people you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► stereotypical track trap of a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► novel like it so it's just bridging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► story and I felt like it did that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► but I do feel like it's got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► good solid ground on its own and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► there are some second books that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► and so I enjoyed it quite a bit but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► appreciation for jemison as a writer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► going back and having those moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► where I read a sentence as a writer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► editor and I'm like wow that was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► i'm going to read that again and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► maybe if she weren't such a lyrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► writer i wouldn't it also wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► stuck with me as much as it has but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► especially you know for for a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► book yeah the third book is coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► this summer so people can look for it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► the one of the one of the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► really like about this these books when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► I think about it is I think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► the I keep mentioning them these gems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► the sky these things that are floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► in the sky which in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► initially seems just like colorful world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► building of like imagery like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► a magical place where people can create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► earthquakes and there were gyms floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► in the sky and it turns out that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► way more complicated than that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► there's a gem that's down in the mud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► they try to lift it up and it ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► you know causing a disaster and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► these things that happen and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► moon is that great thread right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► where I feel like there should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► something in the sky but it's not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and and in the end that's the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► in the second book you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► where the series is going with its fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► with its its climax is it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► the moon it's about how the moon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► apparently correct me if I'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► because it has been a little while since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► I wrote it to the moon it suggested is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► stabilizing feature of this whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► earth or not it's a stabilizing feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► of this planet and since since some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► magical something happen to knock it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► of orbit that's why there have been all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► these disasters and so now the big plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► is that they need to catch the moon they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► need to beating to the moon's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► back around it's apparently in an orbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► that brings it back around every so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► often and that all of this has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► leading to that moment and it's such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► just a ridiculous thing that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► out like I cannot believe she just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► that which is we're gonna you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► what we're gonna do we're gonna get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► we're gonna get that moon back what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► and that's how the second book ends so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► um yeah the moon the moon is coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► I think is what they say at the very end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► of the Ovilus gate so we have to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► that's that's the thing that I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► about this book too is that it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► did cast so many different shades of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► light on the first book and the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► that I already thought that I knew about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► the first book it widened the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► changed change the way I saw things in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► number of ways it the moon was certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► one of them and the obelisks being such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► an important important piece of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► puzzle and also even just some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► characters and stuff like you said Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► I wasn't I didn't really think that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► were going to find out anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► her daughter and then suddenly we not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► only find out the the journey of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► daughter but that that she may or may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► not in the third book have a really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► role to play in this catching the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► sort of thing and then also we find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► in I think it's in the second book we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► find out that when when cyan i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► is her name at the time when she lifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► that first broken obelisk out of the mud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► she for a brief moment she sees somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► inside of it and we don't find out until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► the second book that that's somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that she saw inside of it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► this same little boy rock stone shooters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► don't younger Noah who follows her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► around all the way through the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► book and then into the second book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► right essen like we didn't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► that that was the same same creature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► until the second book and I'm like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► oh my god that's just it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► mind-blowing moment character-wise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► this is all very carefully plotted right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► I mean she obviously hadn't written all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► three books before the first book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► released but clearly the story and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► details were there be a just it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► completely consistent it doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► like it's one book and the fifth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► can be enjoyed on its own without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► reading the second book it doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► like you were sent you know you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► half a book and a coupon for the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► it but yet it is I really appreciate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► feeling of planning like she knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► story she's telling and and in obelisk 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► you can see oh okay like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► stephanopoulos gate was totally set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► fifth season abs it absolutely was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► set there which is which is great I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► to see that I gives me confidence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► know that that the writer of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► I'm reading has the confidence to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► the planning ability to do all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► so that i can I can just read it and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► be afraid that they're gonna let me down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► yeah I'd love to know how she like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► her specific process is for this so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► know you know I've heard like Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Rothfuss talk about outlining books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► that kind of thing so is that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► that she did I haven't read a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► her her process but there are those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► threads that she's carrying through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► a lot of them are like small little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► things that I didn't notice until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► second read through and I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► yeah that you know that happens well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► guess the third read through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► happens to connect this thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► second book but it's not profound and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► can't think of an example off the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► my head but it's just it's a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► beautifully woven and I wonder how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► she's planning that is she carrying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► in her head did she write an outline or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► is it just all coming together and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► like oh yeah you know she just knows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► know she dreamed it all and knows all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► these details i don't know i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► idea of her just dreaming at all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► and then waking up and Giada get down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► yeah totally what else should we say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► about a fifth season and obelisk eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► um you know it's not completed but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► coming out soon with the next part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► summer i wasn't i felt that obelisk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► eight was was a very good follow up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► structurally it could do what the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► book did with the three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► timelines but it still found a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► tell threaded stories in this world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► also further that mystery that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► from the first book and I I didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► know I was quite happy about it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► thought good job good job inkay Jamison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► good job good job well and I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► know this is I think a leading brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► this up the second book in a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► there's always that's a problem that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► first book out you know is your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► entree into this world and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► stuff is exciting and new when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► surprised by everything a second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► has a big job too it's almost impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► for it to surprise you as much as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► but that being said I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► really good second part of a trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► hopefully the third one will wrap it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► in be in a satisfying way and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► enjoyed I would suggest that no one read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► the second book without reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► first book I don't know why you would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► that but people do lots of weird stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► like listen to podcasts about books they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► haven't read just one it just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► example one of the mysteries we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► talk about which was another part that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► really liked about the obelisk eight is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► the character of her guardian from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► first book who at the end of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► destroyed and nope he wasn't well part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► of him sort of was because he's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► quite the same character and through his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► sort of like struggled to regain his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► self we learn more about another mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► that is sort of related to the mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► of the moon and the obelisks and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► a thing in his head and it yeah there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► understand yet so I don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► deepened the mystery and made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► character who I thought was already sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► of multi-layered and multifaceted in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► first book even deeper and even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► interesting and infuriating at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► time because like you know he was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► some bad stuff but then then he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► some good stuff and it's just it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► very good I like him Emily way the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► that that his story is revived in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► second book is really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► because you know yes he is apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► dead in the water literally dead in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► water in the first book and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► book the second book basically says okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► remember that guy who was dead in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► water well he was dead and in the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► and sinking and then something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► strange happened and he was dead so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► still dead but he's now sort of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► because of this thing that happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► him and there's this question like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► you know what force is motivating him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► now and why is he different and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► unclear because you do get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► about like do they want the moon to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► back or not do they want the the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► people who live on the surface of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► planet to survive and be stable or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► better if they all die so that the stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► people can just live and be happy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► that's all like not entirely clear at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► this point but I do like that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► the book doesn't say you know oh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► turned out he didn't die they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► know what you saw he did pay a price and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► and this guy is is kind of him but kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► of not and and that was really good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► felt like I felt like that was her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► playing fair and not just reviving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► character and saying you know fooled you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► but instead saying no there was a price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► to pay you saw what you saw and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► this thing happened after that yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► I like they when they're in the the calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► the geode thing right they discover this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► control room and you know it gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► because a lot of this is a fantasy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► would characterize yes but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► theirs then there are these dashes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► science fiction where you find a control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► room and there are pictographs and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► have to try and decipher it and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► buttons and they control all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► and there's what these like metal things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► themselves into you it's unclear what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► they do but they're probably not good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► love the whole idea of this lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► world that the the we didn't have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► debate on a previous episode didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► um i love i love the debate about is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► science fiction owners of fantasy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► lived in world thing though the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► that there have been many many dead sibs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► right these previous civilizations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► died and their tech is still around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► that's a really fun bit it throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► and in the obelisk eight you get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► yeah they're living in this underground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► city but it's got like a trapdoor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► tunnels and stuff that lead to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► surface so you think it's just this old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► town like from a western or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► it's just a little desert of town but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► you go down through go through this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► this building and then down and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► there's this whole city underneath it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► this geode and then there's a control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► room so it's like where's this from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► is this old tech people don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► know how it works they just try to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► the air circulating that's all that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► all pretty great that's why i maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► that this is earth and this is a science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► fiction book and that it is just so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► in the future that the technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► you know it's Clark's law that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► know but its technology so advanced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► might as well be magic and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► they're taught that they actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► some hazy records that the I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► remember exactly when the first season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► was but I know they're talking like time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► frames of 20,000 30,000 yes and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► existence of human history at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► I can't even fathom what 20,000 years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► the future might look like so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► my my headcanon until it has proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► otherwise perhaps in another book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► that this is earth and it's just far in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► the future which is what I thought in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► the first book and now I think it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► more after we mu to escape we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► what the moon looks like when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► back how about that that'll tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► everything yeah well just say is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► Armand it is called the broken earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► series and it does talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► continents breaking apart and coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► together and you know like like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► series of continents continental drifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► and then coming together again in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► that kind of makes me think it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► earth maybe I mean earth earth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► planet and earth like the idea of land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► and ground is not necessarily not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► necessarily the same Erika the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► that I think that though I think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► as fantasy and not science fiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► mostly because I don't see a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► scientific backing for people who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► cause earthquakes with their minds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► you know that that that seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► magic you're right i mean maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► were genetically engineered and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► but i'm not sure you can genetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► engineer somebody to be telekinetic like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► that that seems like still seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► fantasy to me with science rapping maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► they did it in the x-men I'm sure at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► some point people thought that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► impossible for another human being to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► make fire so all right okay technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► yeah well they're its mutants Scott it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► the x-men their meals right the mutants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► right you can't argue with atomic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► science atomic energy creates mutants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and mutants have powers and I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► just proven Oh Erica's point that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► made their dispensers well in denying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► the obelisk gate there isn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► revealed that she has you'd like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► there you go they can do even more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► control the the earth right they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► there's like energy between cells or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► something so they could do other crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► things and the stone and the stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► eaters but you know were actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► adapted genetically altered altered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► molecular Lee somehow from people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► were originally humans that went too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► but but I will sort of concede the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► fantasy point on on one level Jason and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► that is the whole sort of father earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► thing and the idea of the planet itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► having I don't know a personality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► mind a life something which again not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► quite clear yet that does sort of strike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► me as as fantasy and I'm not sure I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► see any science fictiony way to redeem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► that part of it so yeah I guess I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► still reserving a little judgment I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► pretty sure there's just a computer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► the core of the earth Erica blown this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► is a Star Trek episode but we we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► that now right like now we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► mother earth and what his mother earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► want and and all of that so it it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► just be an inversion of we're not people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► are not mother earth is not answering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► right that's that's generally we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► gonna use God well nothing that's true i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► will not be sensitive in that way fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► and haul me mother earth or send me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► text actually if you do this please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► don't call me yeah don't call just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► the text it's an email if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► need to but oh no Johnny email either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► yeah if you really need to but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► don't I don't I don't want to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► mother earth um anything I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► about her 100,000 think kingdom series a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► little bit a little bit is that okay or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► are there more things to say about fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► season a novel escape before we do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► I just want to say how much i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► syenite just stop I love cyan I I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► she's she is a tough woman who's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► put in a tough situation and she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► determined to make it work as best for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► her as she can and um I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► think part of that is how I was raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► as kind of a working-class person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► you know you you ascend to the best you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► harmony and not rocking the boat too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► much and I think the reason I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► syenite so much is because I see so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► of myself in her she's maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► bit more abrupt and blunt than I tends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► to be but I just um that that period in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► something about it that I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► was amazing and I felt like in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► it was her being as true to herself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► she could be because when she was young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► she was doing what she needed to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► survive and when she was older she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► doing what she needed to do to blend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► but a lot of what we get with syenite is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► her just just doing what she needs to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and I so greatly appreciated that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► appreciated how it was I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► uncomplicated I guess in some ways while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► all this complication was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► around her yeah it's it's the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► really makes you wonder I mean talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► about putting a spotlight on a on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► person and their character is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► show them in those three phases of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► lives and you know by viewing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► happened to them in these three key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► phases you really do gain great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► great ER understanding about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► character and that this is a fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► realized character we we learned what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► happened when she was a child we learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► professional and then we learned what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► happened when she tried to build a life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► after being a professional and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► that kind of fall apart and it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► have her whole family kind of died and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► and be and having her history wiped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► and and so it's yeah it's a it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► characters that well in books very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► and see that many aspects of them as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► kingdoms which i guess is called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► inheritance trilogy is where she first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► kind of made her name which i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► haven't read yet so I I really loved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► hundred thousand kingdoms and the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► thing is I never read the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► books in the series a shout out to Glen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► Glen fleischmann read all of women loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► them but he yet would still not be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► no shout out to clan take that back I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► personally retract Jason's shout out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► Glenn Glenn who I say to you Glenn who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► hundred thousand kingdoms so that's her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► debut a fan I'm fantasy in a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► clearer way this is this is a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► where they're the gut there are gods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► there are there are God llings which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► basically like demigods and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► complicated scenario where there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► incredibly rich family called the era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► Mary I think whoo-hoo basically have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► of the gods of the planet chained up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► they're like the gods or their slave is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► kind of and they're essentially there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► a revolt and things change over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► course of the book kind of dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► for the epistemological foundations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► this society is one way to put it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► when you get God's kind of coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2578">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► going it's kind of a big deal but I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► this book when I first read it and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► of the things I loved about it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► can Rack your brains those of you who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► have read this back to back to the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► time you read it one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► loved about it is just the I'm a sucker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► for the idea that there's an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► power that is controlled but could be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► the verge of breaking free and killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► you at any time the magician's books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► have some of this to where they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► about God's there's something I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► that about fantasy gods this idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► like we have magic and we have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► and people are cool but their gods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► if they smite you you you are smoked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that's the end for you and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► world of a hundred thousand kingdoms is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► that they've chained up a god who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► incredibly powerful and if you make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► wrong step he will destroy you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► love that about about that new this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► Prince of Darkness this this did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► nighttime God who's who's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► devil you could you could and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► feel kind of sorry for him because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► been he's been enslaved by these awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► humans for a long time it's a it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► of world building in these books too yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► yeah I'm a I'm a sucker for mythology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► growing up I loved Greek mythology in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► I checked to the same books out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► library over and over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► same Greek myths and this kind of filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► that for me and this and this idea too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► that that this family really has taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► the gods and enslaved them all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► except for maybe one I think if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► remembering correctly like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► fascinating to me it was very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► interesting and I thought it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► well executed it's a it's a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► book it turns out having so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► read the other two books in the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► until last month and I read them both so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► in preparation for this podcast and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► funny looking back on it now that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► seemed like this kind of mind-blowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► story about like the rise and fall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► God's is in the context of the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► books merely the prelude for what is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► come which is pretty amazing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► think that because it turns out that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► course the rise and fall of gods and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► creation of new gods that happens in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► hundred thousand kingdoms leads to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► room attic power shift and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► several years after I read the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► book I picked up the second book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► couldn't remember a whole lot about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► first book as I started reading it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► it's at ten years after the hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► thousand kingdoms and you get to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► little hint of what's been going on with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► these with these gods since there's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► they've achieved their freedom and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► sentenced to some punishment for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► complicit in the sleigh enslavement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► the other gods and it's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► book the the broken kingdoms very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► different book but a really good book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► fact I think my favorite of the three is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► that second book and they does stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► alone I feel like more than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► fifth season series does in the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► that the second book the third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► doesn't stand alone but the second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► protagonist and although the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► from the first book do appear in it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► really is about the journey of the of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► the protagonist of the of the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► book who is a blind artist who can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► set up she can only see Magic so she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► blind but if somebody's magical she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► see them and she can see the magic they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► do and at some point she's taken up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► the the city in the inside the World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► Tree that the the rich family lives in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► which is this enormous tree that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► like it sounds and suddenly she can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► everything because everything is Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► up there and that's pretty cool too so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► it's a it's it's a I really love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► second book a lot I don't know alene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► what you thought about the about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► other books in the series I did not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► the third one as much and i agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► you i thought the second book was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► considerably better than the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and considering how quickly i blew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► through the first one I feel like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► quite a testament and because I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► really did love the hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► kingdoms I loved the promise of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► love to the execution and the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► surprised me I mean you don't see many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► people ascend to godhood in Boca so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► it was I just I just thought it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► was delightful in the second book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► you said I think because it had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► humanizing element and to it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► humanist humanization of the gods right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► because in the first book we have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► have the gods of slaves but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► still God's right there still um feared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► and revered kind of in a way right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► their tent their tens of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► years old and they're still powerful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► they're still capricious and they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2878">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► look down on humans right there their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► gods but they're just kind of in Chains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► yeah yeah and in book 2 and the gods the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► full God's didn't take part as much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► it was more humanity in the demigods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► i liked it i thought i thought it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► thought it was great I thought again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► world building is so rich and wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► and I I agree yeah I love the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► book I love the first book i liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► third book but i didn't love it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► level that i do the other to the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► books even kind of like a murder mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► it's basically like a demigod is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► have been happened and who killed them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► and why and I I was tickled by that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► it's like well this is a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► approach to a second book in a trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► and it ends up yes it ends up linking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► everything that happened in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► book it's not just happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► background there are things connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► it but you know and you should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► read the first book before you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► second book but the second book just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► stand it stands on its own as well it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► yeah it is a in a new character lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► character and her friend shiny who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► character of mystery whose identity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► revealed later on in the book and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► that's really a fun thing to this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► the secret of her magical power to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► magic and to draw these draw these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► pictures that sort of come to life which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► is a pretty cool stuff there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► good stuff there's Scott you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► recollection of these books at all I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► been recognized I to read all three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► remember that mostly because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► checked good reads to me ever that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► fact i had read them all because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► remember the first two i have absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► no memory of what happens in the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► one the third book is about about CA who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► is the trickster god and he basically be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► friends these two children and they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► a blood oath and the blood oath turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► him into a mortal and he starts to age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► and he's this he's this Cupid like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► figure i always thought like he's a he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► a he's a trickster god like low-key but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► he's also always seen as a child and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► he's the god of children and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► he's like going into adolescence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► he's an adult and he gets older and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► because he's going to die and the gods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► don't know what to do about it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► turns out that there's a whole plot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► like somebody else wants to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► full god instead of a demigod and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► universe is put at risk it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► like the end of a doctor who season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► where suddenly all reality is at risk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► how can we how can we increase the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► stakes to the highest possible point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► which is the entire universe will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► destroyed if they can't solve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► problem and it was you know it was fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► but um CA is not one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► characters anyway and i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► difficulty to get you to care about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► and there's some good characters in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► book it's not bad but it's not as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► as the first do I think yeah yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► pretty remember enjoying the second I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► mean I enjoyed the first and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► for the second one sticks out in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3058">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► well reminded me a little bit of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► maybe some of those max Gladstone books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► where it's like it's magic but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► kind of genre like a different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► genre like it really is like a murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► mystery there's no detective well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► is kind of police people but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► storyline to follow even though it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► become way bigger than that because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► the case of all good detective stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► it turns out it's not just about the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► conspiracy around it and that's good too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► so yeah yes that's a good book I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► the lawn broken kingdoms so yeah those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► are worth reading too she has other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► books though I have not read ah as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► have read the killing moon but I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► not read the second book in that series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► okay and there are only two at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► this right I think I saw somewhere on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► maybe in the kindle store it referred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► it as the dream blood duology which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► means there was only two books people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► just buy the two books but I haven't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► haven't read it and I think they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► came out with a one-volume with both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► books in it right you can buy that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► enjoyed the first one it's about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► people who harvest dream energy and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► all kinds of things with it I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► enjoyable it's cool and allene have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► read those I don't I've tried reading uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► I've tried reading it but it's got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► higher barrier to entry um like nine fox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► gambit and so I actually picked it up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► audible so I'm gonna try listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► and seeing how I do with it I will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► those i think i have the killing moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► and haven't read it so i will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► do that at some point but i just read to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► four books in short succession so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► going to take a little break which goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► back to one of our initial points we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► just I feel like her books are so rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► and and thought-provoking and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► well written and and they aren't quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► reads which doesn't mean that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► they're slogs they're not but but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► feel like after I read one of them it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► like a really good rich meal and I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► and and also she only writes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► maybe if we're lucky a book a year right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► so I also don't want to just I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► want to save them know that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► there i got a couple NK jemisin books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► out there that i haven't read yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► because they are i love them when i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► them and so there's that weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► it's a little bit like dan talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► how he doesn't want to read the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► Terry Pratchett novel because then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► won't be any any left right it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► little bit like that yeah where is NK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► jemisin still read in books it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► she's fine but again it's like why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► know I don't want to use up the queue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► painfully like I have to do when there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► a new game of thrones novel right which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► is like no cheese it was great while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► was getting caught up and then I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► everybody else going George where's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► book so you know that's no good yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► think you're I think you're an analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► about the very rich meal is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► kinder sounding than meisa but mine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► was about exercise huh but but I tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► you I feel better after exercising than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► I do after having eaten a good meal so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► think i need you know somewhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► happy medium in between those things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► have to start eating our rich meals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► while we're exercising Oh think just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► knowing about it that is that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► it that would be a great diet I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► somebody has already come up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► fad diet be fad diet where you can eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► anything you like but only while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► running hey if not we could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► million this is this is the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► next moneymaker for the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► right yeah or biking you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► you can run or bike but you basically it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► you have to be you have to be pedaling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► or running furiously and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► you can eat like a hamburger but only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► when you're running and and we'll call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► it the vomit while running diet it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► great you the pounds just come off yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► there they melt away that's right or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► vomited away one of us they get washed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► away this district attorney here let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► save him right yeah I don't know how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► got here it was probably it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► involving a floating gym or a moon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► we're gonna move on a moon and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► quickly do a round of what are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► reading which were we talk about books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► that we've read recently that we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► something you're reading right this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► moment but books that you've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► recently that you would like to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► scott j said what have you been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► as I've been doing yes I've been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► a bunch of stuff as of late currently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► am reading as mentioned in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► the latest ian macdonald book which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► the second part in his new moon trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► I thought I originally thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► only just be two books but I here now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► the ending of this book is not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► an ending so I don't know how many books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► it's going to be which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► disappointing because I do get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► sick of long-running series but I enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► ian MacDonald so I trust him and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► just continue to read whatever he writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► I like new moon so you're reading wolf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► moon I am reading wolf moon all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► didn't know that was out I'll read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► I like I like new moon it was fun it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► out you should read it just came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► didn't it like uh yesterday or so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► think uh yeah it's really good i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► enjoying it so far not done twenty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► percent in ok and it's good you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► this is not a spoiler but a 1980s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► fashion is back in style on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► swing so if you if you've got your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► leg warmers and your rip sweatshirt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► your big hoop earrings here's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► everyone will welcome you welcome you oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► that's great exactly oh all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► of the room the other book that i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► right before that was a book that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► on my kindle for a long time my wife had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► read it she told me to read it i know'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► her advice but then i read it about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► year after she told me to go stalkers by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► mary robinette kowal oh yeah so she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► cool but it's good said world war one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► the idea is that the mediums are real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► and they are a secret that the British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► Army is using they train their soldiers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► to look around as they're dying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► remember what's happening and then their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► souls are taken and interrogated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► mediums and they get information about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► the battlefield and such and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► mystery it's it's very good and very red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► it in like four hours very good all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► right I like our books I've read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► and I know some people are turned off by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► the idea of Jane Austen with magic so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► spirituality so tell me I guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► better I don't know all right aleem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► anything that you've been reading lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► you'd like to mention um I well we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► recorded our Neil Gaiman episode margin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► ago so we're didn't we yeah so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► reading so i read american gods and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► NC boys I've been rereading the expanse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► series i'm working on i'm reading a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► this is a nice thing i'm working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► going through the expanse series again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► haven't read the most recent book yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► because I'm I'm working my way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► him again but one thing I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► mention was i recently read the giver so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► when I was young The Giver by Lois Lois [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► Laurie came out and there was no sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► to it and I loved that book i read it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► don't know like four or five times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► then in my adulthood she actually came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► out with three sequels to it and so I if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► you're like me maybe in your mid 30s or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► younger and you didn't know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► were sequels to the giver and you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► that book when you were little you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► want to go check those out because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► were pretty good I didn't love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► fourth one but but they were all really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► interesting I thought it was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► fascinating world that she put together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and yeah working my way through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► nebula bus novel books very slowly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► working my way through them to Erica I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► was just sort of looking back at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► stuff that I've been reading lately and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► I realized it is pretty much all stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► that is written by my friends so I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► like I'm being super nepotistic here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► but this is legitimately what I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► been reading I read the lost child of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► which ferd by paul cornell which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► sequel to The Witches of lich ferd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► they're both novellas published on tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► delightful little world it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► fantastical one takes place in a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► English country village that's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► on the border of fairyland ish sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► stuff so and has three really amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► women at the heart of the story all who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► interact I think in a very realistic way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► so love those i also i am working my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► through the nebula books which are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► written by friends of mine but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► book that i am in the middle of right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► now is also by paul cornell and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► chalk and it is a we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► books sometimes taking a long time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► read because they're difficult and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► difficult in a bad way it is just it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► a book that has sort of dark fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► elements but it is a lot about bullying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► and follows the the life of this young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► boy who is growing up in England and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► struggles that he goes through and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► you had any kind of a rough childhood in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► school it can like it hits really close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► to home um in a lot of ways so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► very good and I'm only about halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► through and haven't haven't gotten to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► you know to see everything that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► so far but it is one that I have to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► in sort of small bites in order to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► through it because otherwise it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► going to be a little bit too heavy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► me and also as usual I am trying to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► up on uncanny magazine because I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► their podcast over there and for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► last for the last episode of the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► or one of the recent ones I got to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► a story by Maya Verity co-host tansy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► rayner Roberts and it is called some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► Cupid's kill with arrows and it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► very light-hearted short little story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► about what if Greek gods were actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► real and you ended up speed dating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► bunch of them and then it kind of goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► on from there and it's it's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► hilarious and fun and in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► that there's a whole bunch of nonfiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► in uncanny magazine these days there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► they have been sort of soliciting essays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► about resistance and how people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► create art can survive in a world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► is changing from what we sort of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► have dealt with before and how to how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► keep yourself sane and and keep creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and that sort of stuff so that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► good things to read at the uncanny which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► I've had been enjoying quite a bit nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► um i just read john scalzi as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► collapsing Empire which I enjoyed it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► fun book I don't think it's calls his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► best book I thought it doesn't have as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► Scott mentioned earlier like it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► doesn't have the the art I think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► writing doesn't carry the weight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► but it's fun space opera if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► galaxy-spanning galactic empires and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► imaginations and things like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► various lords and all of that on planets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► it's got all of that in fact I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► it reads to me and he hasn't cited this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► I think as an influence but it reads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► me as very much in the style of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► Miles Vorkosigan novels by lois mcmaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► bujold it feels very much like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► there are some very bujold characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► and that there's more swearing there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► more swearing but the setting seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► similar to that I could almost imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► the planet called end in this being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► much like like boot like a bar ER on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► bhuj olds world not quite as futile but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► still kind of like at the back end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► nowhere and and then the Galactic Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► is somewhere else there's even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► imperial auditor in it which is a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► from that Myles has in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► Vorkosigan novels but it's fun it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► it is a setup for a series you will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► to the end of the first book and be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► less disappointed if it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► from the beginning this is a prologue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► this is set up for the the overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► plot of the series but it's spaceships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► and wormholes and an world building and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► daring do and things like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► there's nothing wrong with that so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► a fun read Scott you ready to write I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► have not read oh okay well if you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► it have it um you will find it fun well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► good I I look fortunate I got it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► well I have it on hold in the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► now it hasn't come in library also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► should go to the library and read books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► I'm reading all the birds in the sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► right now which is charlie jane anders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and that was one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► nebula nominees and i'm reading that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► from the library because the library is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► your friend and sometimes you can even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► check out ebooks from my library books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► there they do give them to you well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► they'll loan them to you yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► right bring them back people all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► well I think we've reached the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► our book club yay Oh go read NK jemisin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► last book club no for now only for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► okay sorry sorry hold on to be continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► I've sold you this is all set up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► this is just the latest in a continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► series that never ends stop of melty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► thank you for being on the book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► again it's good to have you back I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► really weird talking about a book when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► you weren't around uh well thank you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► felt weird having you people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► a book without me or be ground but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► I'm not interested in the books I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► show up I think that's a good way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► also now from now on if I'm talking just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► in life to somebody about a book I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► gonna give you a call just completion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► he's gonna come on chime in I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► talk to Scott let's put him on speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► see what he says you read this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► Scott will say yes but I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► it I don't remove on a little hung up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► but it'll be fine you just put that on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► loop and I can just play it from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► phone bike hello Jason I did read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► book but I do not remember it why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► there be at the end I don't know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► how I end all this beauty air can't sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► thank you for being here you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► really nice to be on a book club episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► where I really genuinely enjoyed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► books oh my nice it's not good this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► great it happens sometimes from time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► time it happens and allene Sims thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► you I'm so happy that you could be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► to talk about these books that you love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► me too I got to talk about my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► favorite authors in like less than two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMaHjthw/3933">TS</a>]
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