The Incomparable

345: Evil Giggle


00:00:00   the incomparable number 345 marks 2017 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   incomparable i'm your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:13   we're going to change it up a little bit [TS]

00:00:15   we're going to talk about the TV show [TS]

00:00:16   and it's not a TV show that if you are a [TS]

00:00:18   fan of the kinds of stuff we talked [TS]

00:00:20   about on this podcast science fiction [TS]

00:00:22   fantasy genre stuff like that you may [TS]

00:00:24   have skipped over this show thinking [TS]

00:00:27   it's just another broadcast television [TS]

00:00:29   sitcom but you know what you are very [TS]

00:00:31   wrong and you should rectify that and [TS]

00:00:33   we're going to tell you why before we [TS]

00:00:35   blow the spoiler horn in this episode [TS]

00:00:36   but then you need to go watch the good [TS]

00:00:38   place which aired earlier this year and [TS]

00:00:42   let I guess late last year on NBC and is [TS]

00:00:44   coming back for a second season as well [TS]

00:00:46   short too it's a it's a very short [TS]

00:00:49   season they they only did what 13 [TS]

00:00:52   episodes joining me to talk about the [TS]

00:00:54   good place in this good place are the [TS]

00:00:59   following fine people David jail or [TS]

00:01:00   hello hello there everything is [TS]

00:01:03   wonderful yeah it's good Kelly camonte [TS]

00:01:06   is here hi hi everybody and Glenn [TS]

00:01:09   Fleischmann what the fork uh I will be [TS]

00:01:12   playing the devil's advocate as usual of [TS]

00:01:14   course I would expect nothing less sure [TS]

00:01:16   he approaches up so Jason it's a big one [TS]

00:01:19   and the story back story here is that [TS]

00:01:22   Glenn wanted to do an episode about the [TS]

00:01:24   good place so much that he was just [TS]

00:01:25   gonna go do his own rogue podcast about [TS]

00:01:26   it and he finally just wore me down I [TS]

00:01:28   was like no no that's a great show we [TS]

00:01:29   should talk about it so we're gonna talk [TS]

00:01:30   about later that's my strategy to [TS]

00:01:32   explain what the show's premises so this [TS]

00:01:35   is a this is an NBC sitcom it's it's not [TS]

00:01:39   a one of those laugh tracks it comes [TS]

00:01:41   it's a it's a you know single camera [TS]

00:01:42   shot thing it is from Mike sure who you [TS]

00:01:46   may know he was produced around the [TS]

00:01:48   office and also played mose schrute on [TS]

00:01:49   the office occasionally and then he went [TS]

00:01:51   and co-created Parks and Recreation and [TS]

00:01:54   then he co-created Brooklyn nine-nine [TS]

00:01:55   these are all the good shows and now [TS]

00:01:57   he's created the good place also by the [TS]

00:02:00   way as a sidelight he created my [TS]

00:02:02   favorite sports blog of all time the [TS]

00:02:04   late lamented fire Joe Morgan and and [TS]

00:02:07   actually he a executive produced master [TS]

00:02:10   of none which was written by aziz ansari [TS]

00:02:13   and Alan yang who was one of the [TS]

00:02:15   producers and also he wrote on fire Joe [TS]

00:02:17   Morgan Alan yang did so anyway make sure [TS]

00:02:19   he's got a great track record and they [TS]

00:02:21   basically said eight [TS]

00:02:23   here have some money make a show this [TS]

00:02:24   based on a single line up that you wrote [TS]

00:02:27   us yeah also i will say about mike sure [TS]

00:02:29   or not while I'm while unplugging [TS]

00:02:30   everything that this guy has done [TS]

00:02:32   because he has done a lot of great work [TS]

00:02:33   he has a podcast with award-winning [TS]

00:02:36   sports writer Joe Posnanski called the [TS]

00:02:38   podcast and people who listened the [TS]

00:02:41   incomparable if especially if you like [TS]

00:02:43   sports a little bit you might want to [TS]

00:02:45   listen to that podcast because they talk [TS]

00:02:46   about sports a lot and do you know the [TS]

00:02:47   other thing they do want almost every [TS]

00:02:49   episode they draft things it's true they [TS]

00:02:51   do what they draft things real time [TS]

00:02:54   follow-up from our chat room of course [TS]

00:02:56   the episode there's one episode of black [TS]

00:02:58   mirror in its most recent season the [TS]

00:03:00   first episode which is a very funny [TS]

00:03:02   episode that was co-written by Mike [TS]

00:03:05   Schur and rashida Jones who obviously [TS]

00:03:07   was on the office in parks of recreation [TS]

00:03:09   and they wrote an episode of black [TS]

00:03:11   mirror that's actually very funny so he [TS]

00:03:13   gets around the good place is a show [TS]

00:03:15   about Kristen Bell who is Eleanor she'll [TS]

00:03:17   strop and she when when the show opens [TS]

00:03:19   she's sitting in a waiting room she has [TS]

00:03:22   died she is now welcomed into an office [TS]

00:03:25   by Ted Danson who is Michael and Ted [TS]

00:03:27   Danson explains her she has died she's [TS]

00:03:29   now in the good place this is the [TS]

00:03:31   afterlife it turns out that everybody [TS]

00:03:33   everything you do in life is added up [TS]

00:03:36   there's a point system they're positive [TS]

00:03:38   things for good things negative points [TS]

00:03:40   for bad things and the very highest rank [TS]

00:03:42   of people get to go to the good place [TS]

00:03:44   and now she is there in this in this [TS]

00:03:47   community built by Michael who was an [TS]

00:03:49   architect of the afterlife not God he's [TS]

00:03:52   just an architect with the afterlife and [TS]

00:03:53   this is where everybody is going to to [TS]

00:03:56   live out their days with their soul [TS]

00:03:57   mates the one catch is that Kristen Bell [TS]

00:04:00   realizes very quickly that she there's [TS]

00:04:03   been a mistake and that she is the wrong [TS]

00:04:06   Eleanor she'll strop and the right one [TS]

00:04:08   and she's not a particularly good person [TS]

00:04:10   the right one was but somehow she has [TS]

00:04:13   managed through clerical error to end up [TS]

00:04:15   in the afterlife with all of these [TS]

00:04:16   people and that is as high a concept as [TS]

00:04:19   I think you may ever get for a TV show [TS]

00:04:21   and somehow it all it all works I think [TS]

00:04:26   maybe because of the way that the story [TS]

00:04:28   is told I mean I'm curious what all of [TS]

00:04:30   you think about this that it is it is [TS]

00:04:32   locked down the story is locked down [TS]

00:04:34   it's told in chapters every episode is [TS]

00:04:35   chapter one [TS]

00:04:36   chapter 2 chapter 3 the story continues [TS]

00:04:38   it picks up right where the previous [TS]

00:04:40   episode let late leaves off it is not [TS]

00:04:43   like what we think of as a traditional [TS]

00:04:45   TV comedy in any way one before we go [TS]

00:04:50   any further I should say if if you watch [TS]

00:04:52   the Olympics if you're like me and you [TS]

00:04:54   watch the Olympics last summer and every [TS]

00:04:57   commercial break on NBC had a commercial [TS]

00:04:59   for the good place right and they were [TS]

00:05:00   almost all identical because they were [TS]

00:05:02   all clips from the pilot and all the [TS]

00:05:04   other shows they were promoting had all [TS]

00:05:06   these variations and all these in the [TS]

00:05:07   finger store I think was the other one [TS]

00:05:09   that right ad nauseam yeah well and and [TS]

00:05:12   the thing I started to worry about you [TS]

00:05:14   know I I go along with it because Mike [TS]

00:05:16   sure has a great track record and the [TS]

00:05:19   concept you know just just the [TS]

00:05:21   description of it of like Oh son of a [TS]

00:05:22   theologian I am in right and and then I [TS]

00:05:26   start seeing the ads and they're all the [TS]

00:05:28   same and I'm thinking this is the most [TS]

00:05:30   you could get out of the show to make it [TS]

00:05:33   seem funny because it's I've got these [TS]

00:05:34   memorized now right and and I and I [TS]

00:05:38   watched the pilot and I'm thinking okay [TS]

00:05:39   so all of these clips really were from [TS]

00:05:41   the pilot oh crap but i liked the pilot [TS]

00:05:44   so I kept watching and and I realized [TS]

00:05:46   that if they had shown clips from any [TS]

00:05:48   further in it would ruin the story it [TS]

00:05:51   would spoil too much so I actually [TS]

00:05:52   watched this because of you guys because [TS]

00:05:57   we were talking about it incessantly [TS]

00:05:58   well it really that but partly it was [TS]

00:06:01   because I had the opposite reaction to [TS]

00:06:03   the incessant advertising which was you [TS]

00:06:06   can only show me one joke that means you [TS]

00:06:08   only have a joke hard pass that's what i [TS]

00:06:11   was thinking read I kinda was like [TS]

00:06:13   allergic to it and then yeah because I [TS]

00:06:16   hang out with you guys and you guys [TS]

00:06:17   really oh I got a good place have you [TS]

00:06:19   seen the good place I loved a good place [TS]

00:06:20   the good place oh good like the place [TS]

00:06:22   that it goes good it is and I'm like [TS]

00:06:24   okay fine so I was like really cuz like [TS]

00:06:27   all you guys were sort of like when you [TS]

00:06:30   meet that family members girlfriend and [TS]

00:06:33   you can tell that he's dating out of his [TS]

00:06:34   League and you're like yeah but she's [TS]

00:06:37   really like you [TS]

00:06:38   about it be about the greatness of [TS]

00:06:41   whatever you know like that's what's [TS]

00:06:43   happening and so it felt to me like [TS]

00:06:46   that's kind of you know you you all sort [TS]

00:06:48   of went I wasn't really sure what to [TS]

00:06:50   expect here but I'm pleasant i am very [TS]

00:06:53   pleasantly surprised and I'm it was not [TS]

00:06:55   a waste of my time and I'm really glad I [TS]

00:06:56   watched it and then I know Glenn was [TS]

00:06:59   declaring very early on I'm gonna go [TS]

00:07:00   watch it again so I thought okay I'll [TS]

00:07:04   give it a shot like all of you guys [TS]

00:07:06   can't be wrong my wife and I have very [TS]

00:07:07   different viewing taste so we had a hard [TS]

00:07:09   time finding things that we will both [TS]

00:07:10   equally enjoy it like what I get through [TS]

00:07:12   and my name is earl is a show also about [TS]

00:07:14   ethics that we liked very much in the [TS]

00:07:16   first season and had a halt in a second [TS]

00:07:18   but i heard everybody whose opinion is [TS]

00:07:22   similar to mine about things they like [TS]

00:07:23   liked the good place at unreasonable [TS]

00:07:26   level with the NBC not nagging NBC thing [TS]

00:07:29   is I didn't know something of this [TS]

00:07:31   quality subtlety and intellectualism [TS]

00:07:35   with the sort of cleverness like high [TS]

00:07:37   and low brow humor mixing together was [TS]

00:07:39   possible on broadcast television and I'm [TS]

00:07:42   so glad to be proved wrong and I know [TS]

00:07:43   their other shows that have aspects of [TS]

00:07:45   this but to see something that's just [TS]

00:07:47   wonderful summer on cable or HBO yeah [TS]

00:07:49   usually otherwise but they got there but [TS]

00:07:51   my wife and I would watch an episode and [TS]

00:07:53   we would turn it off and we go how did [TS]

00:07:55   this get made how did this get here is [TS]

00:07:57   this really a DC holy cow that's where I [TS]

00:07:59   was was like three episodes in I'm like [TS]

00:08:02   what does NBC have on topic and if they [TS]

00:08:04   were able to get him to agree to the [TS]

00:08:06   show he apparently fell in love with it [TS]

00:08:08   as soon as he read it and you know how [TS]

00:08:10   can rightly so I mean I I know there's a [TS]

00:08:14   broad variety of people on the writing [TS]

00:08:16   staff and the producing staff and I [TS]

00:08:18   don't know anything about their [TS]

00:08:20   backgrounds but i but i have to say i [TS]

00:08:22   wish my mother were here i think she [TS]

00:08:24   would love this show and I mean just [TS]

00:08:27   from what I know of of theology and her [TS]

00:08:30   writing about it I think she would find [TS]

00:08:32   it very theologically sound no matter [TS]

00:08:34   what religion you are so one of the [TS]

00:08:36   things that I really like about the [TS]

00:08:37   pilot I mean the pilot is very I grant [TS]

00:08:40   you they cut it up into promos and we [TS]

00:08:43   saw it every time they cut away from [TS]

00:08:44   gymnastics for three weeks but it is [TS]

00:08:47   very carefully done in that it tries to [TS]

00:08:50   get a lot of the question [TS]

00:08:52   that we had out of the way very quickly [TS]

00:08:54   like literally first Kristen Bell who is [TS]

00:08:57   who's great in you know loved her and uh [TS]

00:08:59   Veronica Mars and now here she is and [TS]

00:09:01   she's grating this too and she's she's [TS]

00:09:03   great because she's so likable and and [TS]

00:09:05   that helps offset her character doing [TS]

00:09:07   all these awful things and being kind of [TS]

00:09:09   unlikable it's a great combination but [TS]

00:09:11   first thing that happens is she gets [TS]

00:09:12   called into Ted Danson's office and says [TS]

00:09:14   what you you're gonna need I got a few [TS]

00:09:16   she's actually what she says I have one [TS]

00:09:17   question and then asked three questions [TS]

00:09:19   which is great and then he tries to [TS]

00:09:21   explain it and then the next scene is [TS]

00:09:23   the presentation where Ted Danson [TS]

00:09:25   basically gives he like literally [TS]

00:09:26   gestures up to a screen and then a video [TS]

00:09:29   plays of Ted Danson explaining how the [TS]

00:09:31   afterlife works and it's so smart [TS]

00:09:33   because it's funny there are lots of [TS]

00:09:34   jokes it's entertaining but it also gets [TS]

00:09:37   a lot of stuff out of the way so that [TS]

00:09:39   they can go on with the story including [TS]

00:09:41   shoot first thing she asks is which [TS]

00:09:44   religion was right and and he basically [TS]

00:09:46   says all of them got about five percent [TS]

00:09:47   right and then there was this one dude [TS]

00:09:49   who was high on mushrooms this joke I [TS]

00:09:51   don't know why this kills me aid it [TS]

00:09:53   kills me every Doug force I looked up [TS]

00:09:55   the name he was about forty two percent [TS]

00:09:57   directly we couldn't believe it and he's [TS]

00:09:59   got like a memorial plaque in the office [TS]

00:10:01   that the thing that does me in this is [TS]

00:10:03   the great thing about the show me in [TS]

00:10:04   every episode after that this is not [TS]

00:10:06   really a spoiler they just at some point [TS]

00:10:08   they pan across the offices is a shot [TS]

00:10:09   and there's Doug the picture of Doug [TS]

00:10:11   unfortunate effect left Glenn talk about [TS]

00:10:16   a big reveal there's actually if you [TS]

00:10:18   think about it there are twists in in [TS]

00:10:20   all if not every episode then almost [TS]

00:10:22   every episode where there are things [TS]

00:10:24   that you assume and then it gets flipped [TS]

00:10:26   on its head so there there are many [TS]

00:10:28   things which is why I think going in [TS]

00:10:30   fresh is the way to do it so before we [TS]

00:10:31   blow this boil horn and start talking [TS]

00:10:33   about some of the story stuff worth [TS]

00:10:35   talking about so like yeah the plot the [TS]

00:10:37   pilot I think is really is really clever [TS]

00:10:39   and what it does the cast is really good [TS]

00:10:41   so the people that that Eleanor meets in [TS]

00:10:46   addition to Michael the architect we [TS]

00:10:48   meet Chitti who is an ethics professor [TS]

00:10:51   from Africa who is is like he [TS]

00:10:53   understands how to be a more ethical [TS]

00:10:54   person Eleanor eventually admits to him [TS]

00:10:57   that she shouldn't be there and they [TS]

00:10:59   work out a plan where he's going to [TS]

00:11:00   teach her how to be a better person in [TS]

00:11:02   order to earn her way her right into [TS]

00:11:05   being in the good [TS]

00:11:06   place and not be sent to eternal torment [TS]

00:11:08   in the bad place her next door they lit [TS]

00:11:11   oh by the way they live in a house [TS]

00:11:12   that's very small and full of paintings [TS]

00:11:14   of clowns which is great because she [TS]

00:11:17   loves clam because the other Eleanor [TS]

00:11:19   loves clowns and they are horrifying [TS]

00:11:21   this is the perfect house for the other [TS]

00:11:23   element next door in the giant mansion [TS]

00:11:26   because everybody gets a house it's [TS]

00:11:27   appropriate for them and this really [TS]

00:11:29   bugs Eleanor our tejani who is a [TS]

00:11:33   beautiful philanthropist who knew lots [TS]

00:11:37   of famous people and is my read on her [TS]

00:11:40   is and just awful because she's so [TS]

00:11:43   beautiful and perfect and knows it and [TS]

00:11:45   she's just awful and her soul mate who [TS]

00:11:48   is a Buddhist monk named Jian you who is [TS]

00:11:51   silent took a vow of silence during his [TS]

00:11:54   life yes nanny decided to maintain it [TS]

00:11:57   even still even yeah even in the [TS]

00:11:59   afterlife the last piece of the puzzle [TS]

00:12:01   is and I think maybe the most brilliant [TS]

00:12:04   little bit of casting is there is a [TS]

00:12:08   character named Janet who is a piece of [TS]

00:12:10   software she's a woman but she's [TS]

00:12:12   actually kind of like a hologram woman [TS]

00:12:15   she's not a girl she's not as she's not [TS]

00:12:16   a robot either she is she is a piece of [TS]

00:12:19   software who is basically the search [TS]

00:12:21   engine of the afterlife and takes [TS]

00:12:24   everything kind of literally and is [TS]

00:12:26   super weird and just appears and [TS]

00:12:27   disappears and it is brilliant because [TS]

00:12:29   she's just a piece of very strange [TS]

00:12:31   software and that is and that is this [TS]

00:12:34   bizarre world in a good place they have [TS]

00:12:35   lots of frozen yogurt places there are [TS]

00:12:37   there are night places where you can go [TS]

00:12:40   and there are nice animals to play with [TS]

00:12:42   it's it's paradise right I want to bring [TS]

00:12:45   up something about casting to which is [TS]

00:12:47   and it plays into the show and then [TS]

00:12:49   we'll talk after the spoiler about some [TS]

00:12:52   aspects of that then become problematic [TS]

00:12:53   I think is that yes the two leads in the [TS]

00:12:55   show are you know white American people [TS]

00:12:59   Kristen Bell and and and ted danson but [TS]

00:13:03   the cast is essentially the night like [TS]

00:13:05   the next three well except for Jay and [TS]

00:13:08   Jenna it's also a white woman but the [TS]

00:13:09   second next three most important [TS]

00:13:10   characters are people of color people [TS]

00:13:14   with difficult pronounce names in this [TS]

00:13:16   show a little part of the job [TS]

00:13:18   but still a thing and throughout the [TS]

00:13:20   entire cast it's a you know I want to [TS]

00:13:23   say many races ethnicities other aspects [TS]

00:13:27   and I thought as you watch it the reason [TS]

00:13:29   I say it's a it's done effortlessly [TS]

00:13:30   because is essentially never brought up [TS]

00:13:32   as an issue it's never discussed there's [TS]

00:13:34   never a joke about color or whatever so [TS]

00:13:37   at some levels you could say that kind [TS]

00:13:38   of thing is post-racial in some cases [TS]

00:13:39   you say well it's being almost amateur [TS]

00:13:43   naive about race by not having it be [TS]

00:13:45   something that's brought up or emphasize [TS]

00:13:47   to but it's a kind of thing like you [TS]

00:13:48   don't see a lot of programs or I haven't [TS]

00:13:50   seen a lot of programs in which are just [TS]

00:13:52   that many different colors and people [TS]

00:13:53   you know even people with different [TS]

00:13:55   sexualities without it be cut being [TS]

00:13:57   emphasized thing well I'm actually [TS]

00:13:59   Chiddy one of the good things just from [TS]

00:14:01   a language standpoint is she teased [TS]

00:14:03   actually from Africa I think he's from [TS]

00:14:04   Senegal and ago and the whole idea is [TS]

00:14:07   that he speaks French but we hear him in [TS]

00:14:10   English they try very hard to make la [TS]

00:14:12   look kind of like Africa when they flash [TS]

00:14:14   back to his life it's there there gets a [TS]

00:14:16   sitcom they're trying but but I like [TS]

00:14:18   that too because then again G d's frame [TS]

00:14:21   of reference now is different it's not [TS]

00:14:23   like a because the afterlife right it's [TS]

00:14:26   supposed to be humans from all over so [TS]

00:14:28   we have so honey is from the UK and and [TS]

00:14:33   John you is from Taiwan and then GD is [TS]

00:14:37   from Africa and Eleanor's from from [TS]

00:14:38   Arizona and and that's kind of cool to [TS]

00:14:41   that it's not just you know it's not [TS]

00:14:43   just a bunch of Americans in the good [TS]

00:14:46   place they're from all over and that's [TS]

00:14:48   that that's a fun aspect of it to [TS]

00:14:50   entreaty is just a delightful character [TS]

00:14:51   can i just say how much i love Chiddy he [TS]

00:14:54   is yes yes put upon and sweep and [TS]

00:14:57   frustrating and perplexed and just is [TS]

00:15:00   the perfect foil for Kristen Bell being [TS]

00:15:04   you know kind of a messed-up person who [TS]

00:15:06   wants to be a little bit better it's [TS]

00:15:08   just an amazing pair Chiddy gives me a [TS]

00:15:10   pretty strong Niles crane vibe yes oh [TS]

00:15:14   yes very much in niles Felix kind of [TS]

00:15:18   building up of tension up and up and up [TS]

00:15:20   and up and then explore yes [TS]

00:15:22   yes and the other thing that that I [TS]

00:15:25   loved about it like like you guys were [TS]

00:15:27   talking about with all the ethnicities [TS]

00:15:30   of people is it the only time it comes [TS]

00:15:33   up about anybody's accent or anything [TS]

00:15:36   like that is he said he mentions very at [TS]

00:15:39   the very beginning almost of meeting [TS]

00:15:41   Eleanor how he speaks French or [TS]

00:15:45   something and then she says but I can [TS]

00:15:46   understand you and that's when we find [TS]

00:15:47   out like sort of one of the conceits is [TS]

00:15:49   that everybody sort of has a Babel Fish [TS]

00:15:51   in their ear and so everybody knows what [TS]

00:15:53   everyone else is saying and the only [TS]

00:15:55   time it comes up that that anybody was [TS]

00:15:59   born anywhere else or anything like that [TS]

00:16:00   is when Eleanor can't remember basic [TS]

00:16:04   stuff about Chiddy like where he was [TS]

00:16:05   born or where he is from and that [TS]

00:16:07   doesn't have anything to do with where [TS]

00:16:09   he's from it has to do with the fact [TS]

00:16:11   that she just didn't bother cuz she's [TS]

00:16:12   not the greatest right and like that's [TS]

00:16:15   the only reason it it came up in any [TS]

00:16:17   sort of context which for me was was [TS]

00:16:19   really interesting in like like you guys [TS]

00:16:21   were saying like it's not a thing and I [TS]

00:16:24   really liked that it gave me kind of [TS]

00:16:27   almost like a Star Trek vibe like you [TS]

00:16:28   see ya a really tall person a really [TS]

00:16:31   short person a blue person a black [TS]

00:16:34   person away person an Asian person and [TS]

00:16:36   they're all just people who are all [TS]

00:16:39   advancing the plot in some way or adding [TS]

00:16:42   some sort of interesting decoration to a [TS]

00:16:44   bar you know to prove that there are [TS]

00:16:46   aliens here or whatever and I really [TS]

00:16:48   enjoyed that about the show that like [TS]

00:16:50   nobody talked about anybody cared and I [TS]

00:16:52   think that that was really interesting [TS]

00:16:53   and it's great that you mentioned the [TS]

00:16:55   babelfish because one of the things that [TS]

00:16:57   hit me pretty early on this this feels I [TS]

00:17:01   mean it doesn't it's not like a Douglas [TS]

00:17:02   Adams thing but it feels tinged with his [TS]

00:17:06   kind of sensibility it's there's there's [TS]

00:17:08   just this wonderful sense of being able [TS]

00:17:11   to do anything in this setting with the [TS]

00:17:14   concept and to take it too absurd [TS]

00:17:17   extreme and everyone's so accepting [TS]

00:17:19   exactly yeah oh this is how it is now [TS]

00:17:22   yeah throw yourself at the ground and [TS]

00:17:24   miss yeah okay oh that it that is this [TS]

00:17:27   straight into Douglas Adams theorists [TS]

00:17:28   there are flying lessons in an early [TS]

00:17:30   episode home fist it's actually not that [TS]

00:17:32   far off I want to make sure sorry about [TS]

00:17:34   JT [TS]

00:17:34   for we get into spoiler territory to is [TS]

00:17:36   I realize watching the show some [TS]

00:17:37   episodes in I realized that the actor [TS]

00:17:41   portrays the act of of like the pain of [TS]

00:17:45   lying when you've internalized notion i [TS]

00:17:47   feel this isn't a humble brag i think [TS]

00:17:49   this is like more like a super-ego a [TS]

00:17:51   societal thing is like I try to be very [TS]

00:17:54   honest person I associate with Chiddy [TS]

00:17:57   very closely his when he is agonizing [TS]

00:18:01   over trying to be as ethical and honest [TS]

00:18:05   as possible but also living in the world [TS]

00:18:06   and sometimes you have white lies you [TS]

00:18:09   tell we can get into that later but the [TS]

00:18:11   but the thing is like but just the [TS]

00:18:13   intensity of agony he experiences when [TS]

00:18:15   he has to lie like I've gone through [TS]

00:18:17   that I felt that and I feel like that [TS]

00:18:19   it's never usually sitcoms and most [TS]

00:18:21   television portrays people who have made [TS]

00:18:23   a really bad decision or trying to [TS]

00:18:25   justify it to themselves rather than [TS]

00:18:26   trying to avoid a bad situation and then [TS]

00:18:30   feeling like tortured practically torn [TS]

00:18:32   apart when it's something that minor [TS]

00:18:33   like you know which we can get into but [TS]

00:18:35   I I don't think I've identified as [TS]

00:18:37   closely with someone with the way he's [TS]

00:18:39   expressing his discomfort with the least [TS]

00:18:41   subterfuge not to mention some of the [TS]

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00:19:56   probably praise Ted Danson a little bit [TS]

00:19:58   more too just because I mean Kristen [TS]

00:20:00   Bell I've said a lot of good things [TS]

00:20:01   about the cast is great all the way [TS]

00:20:03   through Ted Danson has a very difficult [TS]

00:20:06   part right because he has to be kind of [TS]

00:20:09   angelic and kind of clueless and [TS]

00:20:12   disconnected and and discombobulated [TS]

00:20:15   especially since there's obviously [TS]

00:20:16   something horribly wrong because Kristen [TS]

00:20:18   Bell should not have ended up here and [TS]

00:20:20   and yet he's you know you mix all that [TS]

00:20:23   in together that is a I feel like it's a [TS]

00:20:25   tough line to walk and he does it and he [TS]

00:20:26   is funny it and it mean Ted Danson I [TS]

00:20:30   mean yeah spoiler alert Ted Danson is [TS]

00:20:33   good at being a comedic actor all right [TS]

00:20:36   yes like that India me but he is very [TS]

00:20:39   good at and does such a professional job [TS]

00:20:43   lending it the weight I think that you [TS]

00:20:45   need to believe like this is the guy who [TS]

00:20:46   designed this neighborhood in the [TS]

00:20:48   afterlife at everybody lives in like you [TS]

00:20:50   need to you need to get that and he [TS]

00:20:51   really does do that it's amazing oh yeah [TS]

00:20:53   I mean I love the idea that it sort of [TS]

00:20:56   plays off your assumptions of what the [TS]

00:20:58   after wife is going to be because you [TS]

00:20:59   have Michael who's an archangel so here [TS]

00:21:01   you have Michael who's an architect yeah [TS]

00:21:02   immediately I was like ah nice nicely [TS]

00:21:05   done and and yeah it's a tough that that [TS]

00:21:08   is a tough recipe to pull off in the [TS]

00:21:12   first place without anything else that [TS]

00:21:14   happens in later episodes I want to [TS]

00:21:15   point out one important thing before we [TS]

00:21:17   spoil it weren't too which is I did not [TS]

00:21:19   watch the show on broadcast television [TS]

00:21:20   there's I watched on hulu and the deal [TS]

00:21:23   is on hulu they're only showing the [TS]

00:21:25   extended cuts for episodes in which [TS]

00:21:26   there were extended cuts right so the [TS]

00:21:28   broadcast versions in I think not in [TS]

00:21:31   every case I'm sure not every case but [TS]

00:21:32   in some cases are slightly shorter and [TS]

00:21:35   there's actually one thing we will talk [TS]

00:21:36   about after the spoiler horn that is [TS]

00:21:38   only it was cut from the broadcast [TS]

00:21:40   version for length job but it is in the [TS]

00:21:43   it is in deliver glue extended version [TS]

00:21:45   yes the NBC app has the same extended [TS]

00:21:47   cuts so they are freely available if [TS]

00:21:50   you're not a who subscriber if you have [TS]

00:21:52   the NBC app and sign in with your cable [TS]

00:21:54   provider it works if you discuss this [TS]

00:21:56   with somebody who has watched it as a [TS]

00:21:58   broadcast version and you start [TS]

00:21:59   mentioning things and they'll say I do [TS]

00:22:01   see that they're not gasps elating you [TS]

00:22:02   and you're not guessing them they [TS]

00:22:04   actually didn't see a few minutes here [TS]

00:22:05   and there right this is something they [TS]

00:22:07   started doing with the office because [TS]

00:22:09   they had so much material and then and [TS]

00:22:11   then they cared carried on doing that [TS]

00:22:12   with parks and recreation yes it's it's [TS]

00:22:15   funny I realized this that my my [TS]

00:22:17   daughter has just been binging parks and [TS]

00:22:20   rec and in the office and I realized [TS]

00:22:23   that all of those I that memorials like [TS]

00:22:25   you know we used to go on iTunes the [TS]

00:22:27   next day and pay 99 cents to watch the [TS]

00:22:30   you know the 10 minute longer version of [TS]

00:22:32   that episode of the office and I wonder [TS]

00:22:35   if those are what's on netflix and the [TS]

00:22:37   answer is yep those are the official [TS]

00:22:38   versions now are the longer cuts the the [TS]

00:22:41   you know TV broadcast version is not the [TS]

00:22:43   like definitive article and that's [TS]

00:22:45   something make sure obviously brought to [TS]

00:22:47   this I know we keep saying there's one [TS]

00:22:48   more thing but jameela jamil who plays a [TS]

00:22:51   character named strangely to Hani al [TS]

00:22:52   jameel there must be a reason for that [TS]

00:22:54   she is also i think very fine like very [TS]

00:22:57   almost like she's like a one of those [TS]

00:23:00   1940s a screwball comedian type like [TS]

00:23:04   very beautiful but very wacky yeah I [TS]

00:23:07   can't David I'm sure you the stuff five [TS]

00:23:09   people like this what was the Florida's [TS]

00:23:10   but the Key West story what's the I [TS]

00:23:13   recall the Palm Beach store we saw [TS]

00:23:15   recently funded Colbert but Irene was in [TS]

00:23:18   the Key West Tory Irene Dunne come on [TS]

00:23:22   but I think she I had a look up I never [TS]

00:23:25   seen jameela jamil before and I looked [TS]

00:23:27   her up and it's like and she has a [TS]

00:23:28   wonderful story of like how she like [TS]

00:23:31   wrote in when she saw their doing [TS]

00:23:32   auditions for some TV show she was not I [TS]

00:23:35   think he got a model wrote in it got a [TS]

00:23:37   casting call and was cast as like a [TS]

00:23:39   presenter on a UK show and then grows [TS]

00:23:41   from that after years and I think this [TS]

00:23:43   is one of her very first acting roles [TS]

00:23:46   and she's hilarious and weird it is such [TS]

00:23:49   a bit of just complete goofiness and she [TS]

00:23:52   and kristen bell i mean i think they [TS]

00:23:54   have the best acting pairing I think her [TS]

00:23:56   work with other people is a little more [TS]

00:23:58   constructed to make things work but the [TS]

00:24:00   two of them are an amazing like Lucille [TS]

00:24:01   Ball you know the other lady but there [TS]

00:24:06   she does a take in I don't know one of [TS]

00:24:10   the last two episodes where it's just [TS]

00:24:12   she's reacting and her eyes go [TS]

00:24:14   I'd known it's in the last episode and [TS]

00:24:16   it is ya SPECT is it spectacular it's a [TS]

00:24:20   total Barbara Stanwyck in a preston [TS]

00:24:22   sturges fellow basically it's just this [TS]

00:24:24   this moment where you go wow so alright [TS]

00:24:27   we're going to we're going to blow the [TS]

00:24:29   spoiler horn now so if you have if you [TS]

00:24:31   are intrigued but have not yet watched [TS]

00:24:33   the good place I recommend you go to [TS]

00:24:35   nbc.com for the NBC app or hulu and [TS]

00:24:38   watch the good place it's really great [TS]

00:24:40   and then come back earring thought watch [TS]

00:24:42   the whole thing 13 half-hour episodes [TS]

00:24:44   before you come back goes fast it goes [TS]

00:24:46   fast but you gotta watch the place so [TS]

00:24:48   here it is the spoiler horn [TS]

00:24:53   all right now that we're past the [TS]

00:24:56   spoiler horn I would like to say before [TS]

00:24:58   you go on the incomparable this week is [TS]

00:25:01   sponsored by otters holding hands when [TS]

00:25:04   they sleep otters anyway now back to the [TS]

00:25:06   show we should all do an evil laugh [TS]

00:25:08   that's uh so the the serious I mean the [TS]

00:25:18   twist here are like are many like let's [TS]

00:25:21   not even getting to the to the end the [TS]

00:25:24   real identity of G on you as a failed DJ [TS]

00:25:28   from Jacksonville Florida was just [TS]

00:25:31   pretending to be a music monk when he [TS]

00:25:34   actually is in his man cave which he [TS]

00:25:36   doesn't call a man cave oh my god oh god [TS]

00:25:39   which was delightful I'm like cuz I like [TS]

00:25:42   I had to back that up up did he say that [TS]

00:25:44   at the cabins on hold odds okay it's [TS]

00:25:53   progressively designed so that there's [TS]

00:25:55   no episodes that are filler it's very [TS]

00:25:56   tight it's um it's welcome stepa sewed [TS]

00:25:59   is well constructed watching it the [TS]

00:26:01   second time I realize almost everything [TS]

00:26:03   is called back or tied together like [TS]

00:26:06   there's almost nothing not even a line [TS]

00:26:08   that's thrown off that's not just like [TS]

00:26:10   you know a joke in context that's about [TS]

00:26:12   the place or about the circumstances [TS]

00:26:14   that isn't put there so he constructed [TS]

00:26:16   this thing that is a beautiful in that [TS]

00:26:19   way and yet it isn't a tedious and you [TS]

00:26:22   don't see the clockwork ticking away [TS]

00:26:24   waiting for things to spring I was [TS]

00:26:26   cansada stylized by it throughout I mean [TS]

00:26:29   not just the big reveal that we'll talk [TS]

00:26:30   about after a spoiler horn but I think [TS]

00:26:32   every episode was full of like [TS]

00:26:34   delightful surprising moments that [TS]

00:26:35   really maybe laughs out of surprise as [TS]

00:26:39   opposed to you know a punchline there's [TS]

00:26:42   like a series of like there's one big [TS]

00:26:43   spoiler urban big reveal at the end but [TS]

00:26:46   you're right as it clicks through like [TS]

00:26:47   you keep going click click click click [TS]

00:26:49   click click click through irreversible [TS]

00:26:51   one way decision treats that gets you [TS]

00:26:53   into this path which i think is a [TS]

00:26:55   beautiful construction that mirrors the [TS]

00:26:57   big reveal right well I mean wit the [TS]

00:27:00   story keeps upping the ante right [TS]

00:27:01   Eleanor admits to cheating that she is [TS]

00:27:04   not supposed to be there Eleanor admits [TS]

00:27:06   publicly that she's not supposed to [TS]

00:27:07   there we learned that G on you is not [TS]

00:27:10   supposed to be there we we learned that [TS]

00:27:12   there is a a medium place that is a [TS]

00:27:15   purgatory that is available we we see [TS]

00:27:18   Emma series from the bad place who come [TS]

00:27:20   to the good place right I mean like it [TS]

00:27:22   keeps ratcheting things up it's doing [TS]

00:27:24   world building it's taking twist you [TS]

00:27:26   don't expect and then that leads to the [TS]

00:27:28   final you know revelation in the in the [TS]

00:27:30   last episode and it burns through what [TS]

00:27:32   other shows might do in five years yeah [TS]

00:27:35   right you're totally right and I mean [TS]

00:27:38   this is a show where I you know I don't [TS]

00:27:40   know how I mean like what ken Levine has [TS]

00:27:43   the the rule that when you sit down to [TS]

00:27:46   pitch your show you should have the [TS]

00:27:48   season premiere of season seven in your [TS]

00:27:50   head so you know where it's going and I [TS]

00:27:52   don't know if they know where this is [TS]

00:27:53   going but I really want to see where [TS]

00:27:55   it's going because they've just they [TS]

00:27:57   definitely have strong ideas at least I [TS]

00:27:59   mean I know the first season was [TS]

00:28:00   probably planned and I'm sure when they [TS]

00:28:02   got to the end of that they were like [TS]

00:28:03   well obviously this is where it goes and [TS]

00:28:06   they sort of laid that out you know [TS]

00:28:08   themselves like this is my imagining of [TS]

00:28:09   what's happening and I really what I [TS]

00:28:12   hope because one thing about this story [TS]

00:28:16   the way it sort of jumps back and forth [TS]

00:28:18   between where they are now and their [TS]

00:28:21   lives what they had before it gives me a [TS]

00:28:24   very big lost vibe oh and when I got to [TS]

00:28:27   the end of it I was very very excited [TS]

00:28:28   and then the voice in the back of my [TS]

00:28:30   head went but no Kelly because what if [TS]

00:28:33   it turns into the third season of lost [TS]

00:28:35   they were signed up and they just had no [TS]

00:28:38   idea where they were going cuz they [TS]

00:28:40   didn't know how much longer they had to [TS]

00:28:41   get there so then I sort of worried [TS]

00:28:44   about that but that was one of the [TS]

00:28:45   things that struck me watching like the [TS]

00:28:46   first couple episodes of this as I was [TS]

00:28:48   sort of getting a feel for it and like [TS]

00:28:50   is this something I should you know be [TS]

00:28:52   spending my time with and one of the [TS]

00:28:55   things with the NBC app is that it will [TS]

00:28:56   just keep playing the episode for you [TS]

00:28:58   yeah oh I by the time I realized like [TS]

00:29:02   you know sort of looked up and sort of [TS]

00:29:04   tried to pay attention to it like I was [TS]

00:29:06   all I was like most of the way through [TS]

00:29:07   the second episode and so I thought that [TS]

00:29:09   was really interesting like it really [TS]

00:29:12   does just sort of go because you start [TS]

00:29:14   getting invested in in the people and in [TS]

00:29:16   the world and what's happening and and [TS]

00:29:17   I'll like you start like pulling for [TS]

00:29:20   Michael you're invested in [TS]

00:29:21   him a little bit cuz it's the first [TS]

00:29:22   neighborhood and isn't that nice for him [TS]

00:29:24   and and and he is such a personable [TS]

00:29:27   sweet actor that you are totally on [TS]

00:29:30   board with him yeah so he gets there and [TS]

00:29:33   you're like yes you know and then and [TS]

00:29:35   then like you know Eleanor's like a [TS]

00:29:37   house not that this is you know this is [TS]

00:29:40   not my beautiful house this is not my [TS]

00:29:41   beautiful Chiddy and you're like no and [TS]

00:29:45   then you sort of wonder like well [TS]

00:29:47   obviously she's you know the one she's [TS]

00:29:49   the glitch right so what's she gonna you [TS]

00:29:52   know how is this gonna resolve around [TS]

00:29:54   her and then you find out that the whole [TS]

00:29:56   reason the silent monk is silent is [TS]

00:29:58   because if he opens his mouth [TS]

00:29:59   everybody's gonna know that he's a [TS]

00:30:01   glitch to bring in his own special way [TS]

00:30:04   it is in the chat room they're pointing [TS]

00:30:07   out that make sure actually did [TS]

00:30:08   apparently at least give a call to Damon [TS]

00:30:10   Lindelof and talk about world building [TS]

00:30:12   when he was putting to you and and this [TS]

00:30:15   does come across as a as a you know as a [TS]

00:30:17   vision i mean the the he assembled a [TS]

00:30:19   good writing staff and and different [TS]

00:30:21   people wrote all the different episodes [TS]

00:30:22   but it it clearly comes from his vision [TS]

00:30:24   of what he wanted the show to be so the [TS]

00:30:27   big the big reveal which we haven't even [TS]

00:30:28   said yet is just to make it clear in the [TS]

00:30:32   final episode what happens is there's a [TS]

00:30:35   great moment where Kristen Bell is [TS]

00:30:36   watching everybody bickering with each [TS]

00:30:38   other because there's this the bad place [TS]

00:30:40   is going to take two people back to the [TS]

00:30:41   bad place from the good place in order [TS]

00:30:43   to balance books for John you and [TS]

00:30:46   Eleanor and Kirsten bill gets this look [TS]

00:30:49   on her face as she's looking at [TS]

00:30:50   everybody because you even and watching [TS]

00:30:52   him back i was i was noticing you know [TS]

00:30:54   that's the moment where she says wow [TS]

00:30:55   this is like we're in hell the world [TS]

00:30:58   support right yeah we are all just she [TS]

00:31:00   says this is torture we are all just [TS]

00:31:01   yelling at each other tormenting each [TS]

00:31:03   other and she and she's like I got it I [TS]

00:31:05   she starts to laugh and just like I [TS]

00:31:06   figured it out I got this and she is so [TS]

00:31:08   good they she calls in Michael and says [TS]

00:31:12   we aren't going to the bad place because [TS]

00:31:15   this is the bad place and it's like wow [TS]

00:31:18   that was a big leap Kristen Bell I don't [TS]

00:31:20   think it's gonna work and you cut to Ted [TS]

00:31:21   Danson and he just starts evilly [TS]

00:31:23   laughing and she's totally right it's [TS]

00:31:26   the bad place because I can't believe [TS]

00:31:28   you figured it out we're just like holy [TS]

00:31:31   deals drop and can we just talk about [TS]

00:31:35   about that laughs oh oh my that's not [TS]

00:31:38   just a laugh that is an evil gleeful [TS]

00:31:41   giggle I mean that is just you know and [TS]

00:31:44   and I saw them talking about it and say [TS]

00:31:47   you know he tried it several different [TS]

00:31:48   ways and then he's the one who kind of [TS]

00:31:50   said let me let me just try giggling oh [TS]

00:31:52   that's weird i don't i don't want to be [TS]

00:31:54   dramatic about it this is not a dramatic [TS]

00:31:56   reveal this is you know well this is [TS]

00:31:58   what it is there's so much to talk about [TS]

00:32:00   with the show but i want to talk about [TS]

00:32:01   highlight that thing specifically which [TS]

00:32:03   is that that there's kind of this [TS]

00:32:06   interesting character commitment so we [TS]

00:32:08   we at this point are pretty sure after [TS]

00:32:10   that review we realized we have not seen [TS]

00:32:12   anyone from the good place janet has [TS]

00:32:14   been stolen by michael from the good [TS]

00:32:16   play right and there are badge they are [TS]

00:32:17   also bad Janet's in a bad place but we [TS]

00:32:19   have not actually seen anyone from the [TS]

00:32:21   good place except probably in that brief [TS]

00:32:24   video in the medium place episode [TS]

00:32:26   because we believe that's legitimate so [TS]

00:32:29   that may be the only good police person [TS]

00:32:31   we've seen so Michael and all the other [TS]

00:32:33   people from the bad place are really [TS]

00:32:35   invested in their work they really take [TS]

00:32:37   a lot of care with it there it's not an [TS]

00:32:39   a put-on and so the bit where Chiddy [TS]

00:32:42   says where he says well cheetah you were [TS]

00:32:43   actually the closest of getting in it [TS]

00:32:45   says well not actually that Morris had [TS]

00:32:47   one of the closest and he said oh that [TS]

00:32:49   actually makes me feel worse and michael [TS]

00:32:50   says oh thank you i really record that [TS]

00:32:53   and the genuineness with which ted [TS]

00:32:55   danson sell that you're like oh these [TS]

00:32:57   people they sort of hate they don't have [TS]

00:32:59   any hate in you know as they talk about [TS]

00:33:01   hating human being some thinking they're [TS]

00:33:02   stupid this is enjoyment for them [TS]

00:33:05   they're doing this to have fun and uh [TS]

00:33:08   that is sold throughout it makes the [TS]

00:33:10   show less nasty they're not actually [TS]

00:33:12   didn't actually come across as evil even [TS]

00:33:14   though they're doing well one of the [TS]

00:33:15   things that I find I find quite similar [TS]

00:33:17   to Douglas Adams a sense of humor that [TS]

00:33:18   make sure has here is the idea that you [TS]

00:33:21   know the truest evil is bureaucracy and [TS]

00:33:23   it rated in finality of evil so you get [TS]

00:33:27   you get to see in that last episode you [TS]

00:33:29   see Ted Danson at his workstation where [TS]

00:33:32   there with all the other architects and [TS]

00:33:34   this whole thing is a scheme by Ted [TS]

00:33:35   Danson because he just wants to shake it [TS]

00:33:37   up and do something differently instead [TS]

00:33:38   of throwing people in lava he thought [TS]

00:33:40   what if we can innovate what if we could [TS]

00:33:42   torment they could torment each other [TS]

00:33:43   everybody else we've seen other than [TS]

00:33:45   Michael Janet and the for care [TS]

00:33:48   actors that are the core of this we're [TS]

00:33:50   all actors they actually show the [TS]

00:33:52   reverse of a shot we saw earlier in the [TS]

00:33:54   season where those two that the husband [TS]

00:33:56   and wife come into the into the [TS]

00:33:58   apartment or into their house and we see [TS]

00:34:01   Ted Danson out there and he's telling [TS]

00:34:02   them who they need to pretend to be in [TS]

00:34:03   all that so it's very clear and I'm a [TS]

00:34:05   marriage counselor maybe we can get them [TS]

00:34:07   to swing with us for me the thing about [TS]

00:34:09   this is that I'm kind of feeling like [TS]

00:34:11   somebody needs to give Michael Schur a [TS]

00:34:13   cookie and a hug I think you got to work [TS]

00:34:17   out a lot of his uh you know but right [TS]

00:34:19   it's like the bureaucracy is really evil [TS]

00:34:21   here if you by the way if you have not [TS]

00:34:24   freeze-framed the michael presentation [TS]

00:34:26   of the scoring system you need to do [TS]

00:34:29   that because the number of jokes that [TS]

00:34:31   are just in the scoring system including [TS]

00:34:33   my personal favorite knowing about Mike [TS]

00:34:36   sure he's from Boston he's a Red Sox fan [TS]

00:34:37   being a Yankee fan gets you a major [TS]

00:34:40   downgrade you know what closely anytime [TS]

00:34:42   they're amazing kind of screen with [TS]

00:34:44   information on it freeze look at it yeah [TS]

00:34:47   yeah i mean when when the the judge is [TS]

00:34:49   showing off all the evil horrible things [TS]

00:34:52   that Eleanor has done freeze that [TS]

00:34:54   because it's amazing yep yeah yeah the [TS]

00:34:57   judge who is plays the same actor who is [TS]

00:34:58   a bronzer brouwers husband in Brooklyn [TS]

00:35:02   nine-nine because it's reusing these [TS]

00:35:04   executive mark mark evan jackson who is [TS]

00:35:08   one of those guys those guys that guy [TS]

00:35:11   what do you guys think of those the what [TS]

00:35:13   I thought the weirdest episode is when [TS]

00:35:15   they go to the medium place and I think [TS]

00:35:16   it's easy to be skipped over it because [TS]

00:35:18   it was actually aired back-to-back with [TS]

00:35:20   with the last episode and so you know [TS]

00:35:22   you get so swept up in the last episode [TS]

00:35:24   in the building of the of the tension of [TS]

00:35:26   the plot that you kind of miss it but [TS]

00:35:27   that is a bizarre episode whether [TS]

00:35:29   they're in the medium place where where [TS]

00:35:30   there's the lady who just kind of [TS]

00:35:32   everything's just kind of in and it is [TS]

00:35:35   the it is that you know it's purgatory [TS]

00:35:37   this is what purgatory looks like in [TS]

00:35:39   this world and it's super weird yeah [TS]

00:35:41   let's start with this concept wit this [TS]

00:35:42   is a Calvinist universe if we're to [TS]

00:35:44   believe Michael which we don't know if [TS]

00:35:45   we should believe yet so we don't know [TS]

00:35:47   if he's telling the truth but we believe [TS]

00:35:48   he is because Michael the creator of the [TS]

00:35:50   good place not Michael the creator of [TS]

00:35:52   the TV series the good place I'm sorry [TS]

00:35:54   yeah the good notice [TS]

00:35:56   notice on the blueprints he could have [TS]

00:35:58   named him Raphael it's just good places [TS]

00:36:00   in quotation marks do you notice a nasty [TS]

00:36:02   share course is very closely to anyway [TS]

00:36:05   so Michael the architect is telling us [TS]

00:36:07   things and we don't know if the people [TS]

00:36:08   who come but Trevor and the others from [TS]

00:36:09   the bad place if they know if they're in [TS]

00:36:12   on it we don't know that we might assume [TS]

00:36:13   it or not so we don't know if what he's [TS]

00:36:15   showing in terms of there's a time he [TS]

00:36:17   brings up a map of the world it's [TS]

00:36:19   showing people like red for people going [TS]

00:36:21   to a bad place and green for the good [TS]

00:36:22   place and it's very very few days and [TS]

00:36:25   that's emphasized throughout this is a [TS]

00:36:26   very deeply Calvinist universe this is [TS]

00:36:29   universe in which only a very few of the [TS]

00:36:31   elect who do not know they are of the [TS]

00:36:32   elect but they are the elect by the fact [TS]

00:36:34   that they do the deeds they do right the [TS]

00:36:36   calamus worldview are being brought into [TS]

00:36:38   heaven or the equivalent of then [TS]

00:36:40   everyone else ninety-nine point nine [TS]

00:36:41   nine percent based on the way they talk [TS]

00:36:43   about it maybe more are going to the bad [TS]

00:36:45   place so when you start with this show [TS]

00:36:48   Elgar brings up very early it's like I [TS]

00:36:50   was not that bad i wasn't i added i need [TS]

00:36:53   like a medium place because this is a [TS]

00:36:56   fundamental argument again this is a [TS]

00:36:57   argument against God that goes back do [TS]

00:37:00   you know as long as people have [TS]

00:37:01   worshipped a unitary God is or gods that [TS]

00:37:04   send you to hell is I'm not that bad and [TS]

00:37:07   the show is all about that so when you [TS]

00:37:08   get to the medium place it's a beautiful [TS]

00:37:10   resolution of like oh yeah well there's [TS]

00:37:12   one person they despised it you're [TS]

00:37:15   screwing with like a zero and so she [TS]

00:37:17   rented or but it's Glenn in hindsight [TS]

00:37:20   watching it knowing the reveal at the [TS]

00:37:22   end you cannot trust anything that [TS]

00:37:26   you've heard right we don't actually [TS]

00:37:27   know if anything they've said about how [TS]

00:37:30   this works is factual if the bad place [TS]

00:37:33   people were really from the bad place in [TS]

00:37:34   weren't in on the roof that hard to [TS]

00:37:37   believe right well I know we don't know [TS]

00:37:39   how compartmentalize it was because they [TS]

00:37:41   may have not been playing an act if they [TS]

00:37:43   were doing an act then you're right so [TS]

00:37:44   we don't know this all our information [TS]

00:37:46   is unreliable at this point except for a [TS]

00:37:48   few things said by Michael before he [TS]

00:37:50   erases their memory because ostensibly [TS]

00:37:51   he doesn't care at that point right well [TS]

00:37:54   and we know and this was one of my [TS]

00:37:55   favorite gigs too where where he's [TS]

00:37:58   making his pitch for let's let's try [TS]

00:38:01   this idea of the good place right and [TS]

00:38:04   and the the chairman of this [TS]

00:38:08   meeting at least at the other end of the [TS]

00:38:10   table is higher up than him because he [TS]

00:38:12   has to give his approval and it's mark [TS]

00:38:14   Evan Jack again and you know and he's [TS]

00:38:17   and then Michaels like I bet we can do [TS]

00:38:20   this will run for a thousand years Eddie [TS]

00:38:22   and Mark evan jackson says uh i give it [TS]

00:38:25   six months look tiny work but that is [TS]

00:38:28   such a wonderful TV network joke there [TS]

00:38:32   it's like yeah it's not gonna run but [TS]

00:38:34   yeah let's see what you got um because [TS]

00:38:36   it because it was always a 13-week thing [TS]

00:38:38   and as he's making that pitch uh all we [TS]

00:38:44   really know by the end is that there was [TS]

00:38:48   this one person in the medium place we [TS]

00:38:50   don't necessarily know that there aren't [TS]

00:38:52   others elsewhere right we do know that [TS]

00:38:54   they can't find when eleanor and all [TS]

00:38:57   have gone to the medium place they don't [TS]

00:38:59   know where they are out there but how [TS]

00:39:01   how vast could it be I I love mindy [TS]

00:39:04   Sinclair too though she's um every [TS]

00:39:06   character that Sigourney Weaver played [TS]

00:39:08   in the 1980s I just like cocaine you [TS]

00:39:13   don't have any cocaine do you know I [TS]

00:39:15   don't know got into it I'm just kidding [TS]

00:39:16   no I don't have any but have you had any [TS]

00:39:18   happy yeah totally me cuz i really like [TS]

00:39:20   this is a show that does try to explore [TS]

00:39:22   and it always is trying to be funny but [TS]

00:39:24   it does try to explore interesting [TS]

00:39:27   philosophical issues right in every up [TS]

00:39:28   i'm sure you could you could take a [TS]

00:39:30   class a philosophy class or a religious [TS]

00:39:32   studies class and break down these [TS]

00:39:34   episodes and everyone would have [TS]

00:39:35   something in it the one that really [TS]

00:39:37   struck me is mindy sinclair who's in the [TS]

00:39:39   medium place she got to the meeting in [TS]

00:39:41   place because her hurt Ali was bad when [TS]

00:39:45   she was alive but right before she died [TS]

00:39:48   she set up a charitable foundation that [TS]

00:39:50   did incredible good in the world and the [TS]

00:39:52   questions like what do what do you do [TS]

00:39:54   with that how do you judge a life when [TS]

00:39:57   that is what happens like can she buy [TS]

00:39:59   her way into goodness at the very end of [TS]

00:40:01   her life not knowing that it was the end [TS]

00:40:03   but that's what happened it's just a [TS]

00:40:05   fascinating question and the answer here [TS]

00:40:07   is they basically didn't know what to do [TS]

00:40:08   with her so they stuck her in out in the [TS]

00:40:11   middle of nowhere by herself drinking [TS]

00:40:12   tap water and and what what are you [TS]

00:40:15   everything is balanced try to your [TS]

00:40:16   favorite beer but it's always warm yes [TS]

00:40:18   your favorite music but it's always the [TS]

00:40:20   eagles in its own [TS]

00:40:21   live version right love suits it's alive [TS]

00:40:26   little bad there's this weird susan [TS]

00:40:29   komen thing too so the susan g komen for [TS]

00:40:32   the Cure Foundation whoever i don't [TS]

00:40:35   think it's intended to represent common [TS]

00:40:37   died and her sister founded a foundation [TS]

00:40:39   that's you know become an enormous [TS]

00:40:41   worldwide force after she died and i [TS]

00:40:43   thought what a weird thing to have [TS]

00:40:45   constructed this vineet singh Claire [TS]

00:40:46   plot and kind of but it was no sighing [TS]

00:40:49   batteries in functional yeah it is a [TS]

00:40:51   strange I think that's definitely a [TS]

00:40:53   reference because it is cuz it's too [TS]

00:40:55   exact it was very funny she was actually [TS]

00:40:58   my first question what the heck is Mindy [TS]

00:41:01   st. Clair like she's funny what's [TS]

00:41:04   happening here that's right yeah what's [TS]

00:41:06   then what's her deal and that was like [TS]

00:41:09   the first thing that I felt like I [TS]

00:41:11   needed to know immediately like after [TS]

00:41:13   finding out the social and then seeing [TS]

00:41:15   that he was like you know it doesn't [TS]

00:41:17   matter cuz that you know it was very [TS]

00:41:20   much the vibe I got from his speech was [TS]

00:41:23   was very know Mr Bond I expect you to [TS]

00:41:26   die yes you know and I loved it you know [TS]

00:41:29   like listening to him pace and talk [TS]

00:41:31   about you know all of that stuff and I [TS]

00:41:33   sort of secretly was hoping not [TS]

00:41:36   realizing that this was michael shore [TS]

00:41:38   when I was watching it I found I found [TS]

00:41:40   that out later I sort of was like [TS]

00:41:42   interested in the stuff that was [TS]

00:41:44   happening in the office because I sort [TS]

00:41:46   of thought that would be fun for season [TS]

00:41:48   two to go around like the office but [TS]

00:41:50   it's you know it's hell or whatever it [TS]

00:41:53   is that they're very nice to each other [TS]

00:41:56   they all like each other clearly even a [TS]

00:41:57   lava guy who didn't know he didn't have [TS]

00:42:00   a reservation in the conference room it [TS]

00:42:01   was and then to find out that it was the [TS]

00:42:04   guy from the office you know and I'm [TS]

00:42:05   like oh well that makes a lot you know [TS]

00:42:07   that makes a lot of sense and so you [TS]

00:42:08   know like I said earlier I feel like he [TS]

00:42:10   needs a hug and a cookie because he went [TS]

00:42:11   from like dysfunctional company to [TS]

00:42:14   government agency which on its best day [TS]

00:42:17   is nowhere near as functional as a [TS]

00:42:18   dysfunctional company police precinct [TS]

00:42:20   and then hell yeah and then just [TS]

00:42:22   dispensed with all pretense and like bow [TS]

00:42:25   bow yep well they're they're all nice to [TS]

00:42:28   each other there but if you notice it's [TS]

00:42:31   the little things right you know which [TS]

00:42:34   which is that [TS]

00:42:35   which is the coffin which is the [TS]

00:42:36   antimatter I'll take the antimatter why [TS]

00:42:38   would you make it french vanilla why do [TS]

00:42:40   you need to flavor that so it's still [TS]

00:42:42   little things pissing them off to which [TS]

00:42:45   is a lovely teleconference where the [TS]

00:42:47   conference room was double-booked yes [TS]

00:42:48   that's the first touch even there be we [TS]

00:42:52   get the coffee joke before we know that [TS]

00:42:54   it's hell yeah right right and then it's [TS]

00:42:56   just again cuz the construction of this [TS]

00:42:59   is so airtight it is beautiful a couple [TS]

00:43:02   other points I want to make about this I [TS]

00:43:03   back to honey I mentioned this the [TS]

00:43:05   beginning that she's this beautiful [TS]

00:43:06   wonderful person and she's awful one at [TS]

00:43:09   one of the reveals at the end right is [TS]

00:43:10   that why why are these people not [TS]

00:43:12   eligible for the good place the real [TS]

00:43:15   good place and and tehani has that [TS]

00:43:17   moment right where she says but I gave [TS]

00:43:19   all this money and all that and then she [TS]

00:43:21   has that take of like oh right I did it [TS]

00:43:24   but I did it all for the for the glory [TS]

00:43:26   and the grandeur and and to be able did [TS]

00:43:28   it to show up my parents and my sister [TS]

00:43:30   and yeah I wanted I wanted to sort of [TS]

00:43:32   Ryan Gosling so that that is and that's [TS]

00:43:35   great because I felt like that was I [TS]

00:43:38   felt that about her the whole time right [TS]

00:43:40   it's like how can she have a high score [TS]

00:43:42   and again I never twigged to the fact [TS]

00:43:44   that maybe this was the reveal but I [TS]

00:43:46   kept thinking to myself just in the [TS]

00:43:47   within the premise of the show just [TS]

00:43:49   criticizing the show not realizing the [TS]

00:43:50   show knew what it was doing it's like [TS]

00:43:52   she's awful she is so [TS]

00:43:54   self-congratulatory and she looks down [TS]

00:43:56   on everybody else and you know she's [TS]

00:43:58   just this and in a funny way she's not [TS]

00:44:01   an awful like unpleasant character to [TS]

00:44:03   watch but I the whole time I'm like who [TS]

00:44:05   does she think she is she's just she's [TS]

00:44:07   so terrible and lording it over [TS]

00:44:09   everybody else and it turns out in the [TS]

00:44:11   last episodes like yep that's exactly [TS]

00:44:13   right you were not wrong and that's why [TS]

00:44:15   she's here it's great it's great they [TS]

00:44:17   shave down her corners over the course [TS]

00:44:19   of the series to sure she soon she seems [TS]

00:44:21   intolerable the bit about the accent [TS]

00:44:22   right and she and Ellen who says if [TS]

00:44:24   everyone's can he understand each other [TS]

00:44:26   she has need a British accent she's [TS]

00:44:28   putting that on she's doing that kind of [TS]

00:44:30   you're like oh logically it's correct [TS]

00:44:33   everybody has a story arc now not every [TS]

00:44:35   character progresses right because [TS]

00:44:37   because Jason the djs from Jacksonville [TS]

00:44:39   is done progress we are our [TS]

00:44:41   understanding of him progresses and it [TS]

00:44:43   doesn't really improve but it progresses [TS]

00:44:44   but too honey tahani becomes a more [TS]

00:44:46   fully realized person Eleanor's [TS]

00:44:49   because Eleanor in order to sell you on [TS]

00:44:50   this premise makes her seem really bad [TS]

00:44:52   up front and by the last episode you [TS]

00:44:54   reveal just how bad her life was and she [TS]

00:44:57   gets like emancipated from her parents [TS]

00:44:59   who are awful and like she she had a [TS]

00:45:02   very difficult upbringing to get where [TS]

00:45:03   she is so we understand that more at you [TS]

00:45:06   know and and with chishti we realized [TS]

00:45:08   because he's this paragon and then as we [TS]

00:45:10   see flashing back to his interactions [TS]

00:45:12   with other people in the fact that he [TS]

00:45:13   wrote an unreadable book about ethics we [TS]

00:45:16   discovered that you know he's not all [TS]

00:45:18   he's cracked up to be and he was [TS]

00:45:19   actually very difficult to be around to [TS]

00:45:21   be his friend and it's all like it all [TS]

00:45:25   everybody grows and changes and our [TS]

00:45:27   perceptions of them change throughout [TS]

00:45:28   which again is not succumb 101 quite the [TS]

00:45:31   opposite it is you know it's not meant [TS]

00:45:33   to work like this but that that's how [TS]

00:45:35   this is constructed Oh somebody wanted [TS]

00:45:37   me to point out too I forgot someone [TS]

00:45:39   asked me in the slack room was the one [TS]

00:45:41   of our colleagues mentioned one of the [TS]

00:45:43   best things in the show is that bit near [TS]

00:45:47   the end where tahani and Eleanor are [TS]

00:45:49   about to be at each other's throats in [TS]

00:45:50   other says nope you know what we're not [TS]

00:45:52   going to do this we're not going to be [TS]

00:45:53   the kind of women who fight over a man [TS]

00:45:54   we're gonna we're friends and let's be [TS]

00:45:56   friends and you're like oh my god this [TS]

00:45:58   is the point in the sitcom where you [TS]

00:46:00   start getting squeamish because they're [TS]

00:46:01   doing this thing and it's and the [TS]

00:46:02   characters are at each other for no good [TS]

00:46:04   reason necessarily and they broke that [TS]

00:46:07   moment and it was genuine and it has his [TS]

00:46:09   payoff and you're like what this is [TS]

00:46:11   something like forget the ethics even [TS]

00:46:13   like that was something so refreshing [TS]

00:46:15   and beautifully played out yeah that was [TS]

00:46:18   Nathan alderman our friend who couldn't [TS]

00:46:19   be here tonight but he he sent he sent [TS]

00:46:22   his and he's absolutely right that's a [TS]

00:46:24   great that's a great thing that happens [TS]

00:46:27   is that these these characters do form a [TS]

00:46:29   connection I mean in the end and this is [TS]

00:46:31   sort of a workplace sitcom it's just a [TS]

00:46:33   really weird one but in the end that is [TS]

00:46:35   how they that is how they laugh at Ted [TS]

00:46:38   Danson and have beaten him at the end [TS]

00:46:40   except not but we'll get to that about [TS]

00:46:42   where we go is like you you you blew it [TS]

00:46:44   we we ended up you tried to get us to [TS]

00:46:46   torment each other but we ended up [TS]

00:46:48   working together and caring about each [TS]

00:46:49   other and and that's what wrecked this [TS]

00:46:52   and and you see them build those [TS]

00:46:55   relationships and refuse to go down [TS]

00:46:57   these paths it turns out it's all a [TS]

00:46:59   setup they're all meant to go down those [TS]

00:47:01   paths [TS]

00:47:01   and behave badly and at some point they [TS]

00:47:03   all grow and progresses people and [TS]

00:47:06   refuse and that destroys the plan that [TS]

00:47:09   Ted Danson has and then again this is [TS]

00:47:13   this is what you get when you get a [TS]

00:47:14   great comic actor like that you see him [TS]

00:47:17   thinking on his feet in the moment he [TS]

00:47:19   goes that's it I never should have put [TS]

00:47:21   you together I should put you farther [TS]

00:47:23   apart which is the premises do that next [TS]

00:47:25   time the premise for season two right [TS]

00:47:27   and that was beautiful we'll do that [TS]

00:47:29   next time and you're like this is like a [TS]

00:47:30   TV show wait this is a TV show yeah but [TS]

00:47:33   it's also like um all of a sudden it's [TS]

00:47:35   like you're in the matrix or something [TS]

00:47:37   like that that's that's a funny moment [TS]

00:47:38   where it's like I'm gonna wipe your [TS]

00:47:39   memories we're gonna start again I'm [TS]

00:47:41   gonna do it differently and I'm gonna [TS]

00:47:42   get you this time but Eleanor has has a [TS]

00:47:45   one more trick up her sleeve thank [TS]

00:47:48   goodness oh it's like a Star Trek [TS]

00:47:49   episode or any other science-fiction out [TS]

00:47:51   the show again for people who are [TS]

00:47:54   listening to be incomparable one of the [TS]

00:47:55   reasons you like this is it is using [TS]

00:47:56   that trope which is how do you get out [TS]

00:47:58   of a time loop can we pass information [TS]

00:48:00   through time loop and the answer is [TS]

00:48:02   Eleanor writes a note to herself olds it [TS]

00:48:05   up and sticks it in the mouth she says [TS]

00:48:08   you don't swallow anything right you [TS]

00:48:11   don't eat things yeah Janet doesn't need [TS]

00:48:12   anything so she foresees a paper sticks [TS]

00:48:15   it in Janet's mouth just just puts it in [TS]

00:48:17   here and it's on her notepad David oh [TS]

00:48:19   hahaha and Ted Danson just snaps his [TS]

00:48:22   fingers and says you know it's a reboot [TS]

00:48:24   and we we go back to the very first [TS]

00:48:26   scene from the very first episode chosen [TS]

00:48:29   are could you come in please it's the [TS]

00:48:30   same thing oh I just really say show [TS]

00:48:33   Eleanor gets to see a seeker Janet [TS]

00:48:37   getting married and she can't eat and [TS]

00:48:39   you see a Jason plastic food her mouth [TS]

00:48:42   so that's the tail that's why owner a [TS]

00:48:44   all right presented is a very uh like [TS]

00:48:47   street savvy clever person who has sort [TS]

00:48:50   of bad morals but is um but very [TS]

00:48:52   attention it's very smart it's a it's a [TS]

00:48:54   part written for kristen bell right i [TS]

00:48:56   mean it is yes it is yes this is made [TS]

00:48:58   for her the premise of season two [TS]

00:49:00   presumably is i mean what what Ted [TS]

00:49:02   Danson says is I'm gonna separate you [TS]

00:49:04   and so we see that Kristen Bell's got [TS]

00:49:07   and again these are cut these are not [TS]

00:49:08   just plot points but callbacks to jokes [TS]

00:49:10   that have been set up earlier she's got [TS]

00:49:12   the mailman because one of the things [TS]

00:49:14   that she [TS]

00:49:15   trouble for was setting fire in a [TS]

00:49:17   mailbox to get the mailman to take off [TS]

00:49:19   his shirt so it's a hot day and it's [TS]

00:49:21   later takes off his shirt and that's her [TS]

00:49:24   that's her soul mate but yeah but this [TS]

00:49:27   is all foiled because what happens is [TS]

00:49:30   Janet shows up and says this this was in [TS]

00:49:35   my mouth when I rebooted and it says [TS]

00:49:37   find Chiddy and she says what the fork [TS]

00:49:41   cecchini like that's that and that's the [TS]

00:49:43   your your twist ending is they passed [TS]

00:49:47   one piece of information through that's [TS]

00:49:49   going to let them they're going to have [TS]

00:49:52   to learn right so i assume where we're [TS]

00:49:54   going to start is the prey everything's [TS]

00:49:56   gonna be different everybody's going to [TS]

00:49:57   be separated they maybe even put in [TS]

00:49:58   different scenarios so the show can be a [TS]

00:50:00   little bit different but we're going to [TS]

00:50:01   get to watch this time knowing what [TS]

00:50:03   we're seeing as they figure out what's [TS]

00:50:04   going on which i think is great i think [TS]

00:50:06   that's really fun but that is a that is [TS]

00:50:08   a full-on science fictional premise of [TS]

00:50:12   this joe is completely committed to now [TS]

00:50:15   which is great and and i hope i hope and [TS]

00:50:17   suspect we're gonna get to see a lot [TS]

00:50:18   more of the office politics behind this [TS]

00:50:20   yes it's too because now we know i was [TS]

00:50:23   excited about i actually was looking [TS]

00:50:25   forward to oh this will be fun maybe [TS]

00:50:27   because at that point again and the NBC [TS]

00:50:31   app just kept feeding me episode so I [TS]

00:50:32   wasn't really paying attention to how [TS]

00:50:34   much Joe I had left so I saw them and [TS]

00:50:37   like a couple of actual conversations [TS]

00:50:40   that Michael was having in the office [TS]

00:50:42   and I thought oh it would be fun if we [TS]

00:50:44   got to see more of this and I hope that [TS]

00:50:46   we do that's one of the things that is [TS]

00:50:47   my hope for the second series is that [TS]

00:50:50   that's something that that we get more [TS]

00:50:52   up from somebody who we know already is [TS]

00:50:55   really good at that I dare I say Kelly [TS]

00:50:58   the the other show that this sort of [TS]

00:50:59   reminded me of at the end was Wes world [TS]

00:51:01   it's cuz it's a little bit of that right [TS]

00:51:05   which is I you know it's a reset and [TS]

00:51:07   you're not going to remember but [TS]

00:51:08   something is going to persist and you [TS]

00:51:10   know it's trope it happens but it's just [TS]

00:51:12   it was I was not expecting to see it [TS]

00:51:14   here I think that's really the thing [TS]

00:51:16   they take of me absolutely yeah as I'm [TS]

00:51:18   you know as I'm occasionally texting [TS]

00:51:21   done Melton to figure out when we're [TS]

00:51:23   going to start recording this stuff for [TS]

00:51:24   the rewatch like I'm watching the show [TS]

00:51:26   and so yeah it was very [TS]

00:51:28   very much at the front of my mind as [TS]

00:51:29   well watching this and going this seems [TS]

00:51:31   familiar to us world with lost souls [TS]

00:51:33   instead of robots exactly it is both [TS]

00:51:37   about literally building a world and [TS]

00:51:39   setting it in motion and then something [TS]

00:51:43   goes wrong and something starts starts [TS]

00:51:45   infecting everything and how do you had [TS]

00:51:48   he changed that had you how do you get [TS]

00:51:51   out of it and how do you control it [TS]

00:51:52   Khloe literally a sinkhole that grows [TS]

00:51:54   and yeah it sucks people in which is [TS]

00:51:56   obviously constructed as there's so much [TS]

00:51:59   where I'm like obviously everything that [TS]

00:52:01   occurs within the place ostensibly was [TS]

00:52:04   caused by Michael was part of a plan to [TS]

00:52:06   do something or was it because he says [TS]

00:52:09   they're improvising a lot so they caused [TS]

00:52:11   the single was that a byproduct after [TS]

00:52:13   Eleanor admits to everyone that she [TS]

00:52:17   shouldn't be there they didn't expect [TS]

00:52:19   that that was the first crack and then [TS]

00:52:21   at that point everything that they were [TS]

00:52:22   doing after that was improvised because [TS]

00:52:24   they had to that you know they did what [TS]

00:52:27   they were off the planet I was one of [TS]

00:52:28   the started to unravel and I mean we've [TS]

00:52:30   already talked a little bit about [TS]

00:52:31   casting and and there there are names in [TS]

00:52:35   here like Kristen Bell and Ted Danson [TS]

00:52:37   but but there are a lot of discoveries [TS]

00:52:40   in the show I mean this show is so [TS]

00:52:41   beautifully cast right then to the guest [TS]

00:52:45   stars right down to the one-shot things [TS]

00:52:47   and I mean Adam Scott come on yeah but [TS]

00:52:50   but Scott is so great the maybe the [TS]

00:52:53   biggest discovery in the show for me uh [TS]

00:52:55   is Darcy carton is Jana she is I mean [TS]

00:52:59   think it's a beautifully conceived and [TS]

00:53:02   written character and she is pitch [TS]

00:53:04   perfect in every variation we see she's [TS]

00:53:07   amazing the bit where they're trying to [TS]

00:53:09   shut her down and she's like I will warn [TS]

00:53:11   you that i will get a very convincing [TS]

00:53:13   job but i am not at all pleased by her [TS]

00:53:16   my children well this is mikey a frame [TS]

00:53:18   that thing is just what a beautiful set [TS]

00:53:21   piece so funny spoiler the funniest [TS]

00:53:23   things when she she falls in love with [TS]

00:53:25   quote and marries Jason you never forget [TS]

00:53:29   that she's just a piece of software like [TS]

00:53:31   she's because she's the first person to [TS]

00:53:34   remind you this is not legal there's [TS]

00:53:36   nothing in my programming that prevented [TS]

00:53:37   it so I said yes and it is like she does [TS]

00:53:40   with so I mean no effect whatsoever it [TS]

00:53:43   is literally just as he's running [TS]

00:53:46   through his dialogue she's because you [TS]

00:53:47   know it's here you're such a beautiful [TS]

00:53:48   girl and it's just I'm not I'm not a [TS]

00:53:50   girl and it's there's no she's not [TS]

00:53:53   trying to interrupt him she's like I'm [TS]

00:53:54   not a girl and then like when she [TS]

00:53:57   reboots and like she's still kind of [TS]

00:54:00   working it out oh my god I have to see [TS]

00:54:03   me I think this is a bunch of pictures [TS]

00:54:05   of cactus Janet you're not gonna hand me [TS]

00:54:08   those always funny it was a month are [TS]

00:54:11   you yeah there's very much it was a good [TS]

00:54:12   Monty Python interaction is briefly like [TS]

00:54:14   you're not what are you holding it's not [TS]

00:54:15   a cock yes yes yeah and and bad place [TS]

00:54:19   Janet yes Oh biker Janet oh like I loved [TS]

00:54:24   every every iteration of janet like for [TS]

00:54:27   me was really entertaining and somewhat [TS]

00:54:29   in some way whatever I thought she was I [TS]

00:54:32   thought she was awesome and I love that [TS]

00:54:34   it's like her interaction with everybody [TS]

00:54:37   and how um you know she's the first [TS]

00:54:41   person to remind you that she's not a [TS]

00:54:43   person that she's not a girl that she's [TS]

00:54:45   not you know real and all of the things [TS]

00:54:49   that that she keeps saying but then she [TS]

00:54:51   does stuff like he's trying to be [TS]

00:54:53   helpful to Jason you know is nice to him [TS]

00:54:56   and he really takes that to heart you [TS]

00:54:59   know and that's like he even says like [TS]

00:55:00   when I first got here you were the first [TS]

00:55:02   person to be nice to me well back to [TS]

00:55:03   West world right she is an uncanny [TS]

00:55:05   valley kind of figure where it's like is [TS]

00:55:08   it real or is it programming that seems [TS]

00:55:10   real if you want to believe it I also [TS]

00:55:13   got a circuit Voyager you know [TS]

00:55:15   holographic dr. kind of I began to get [TS]

00:55:17   into the science fictional yeah she is a [TS]

00:55:19   science fiction character in the middle [TS]

00:55:20   of the sitcom for sure well and one she [TS]

00:55:22   is definitely a uh uh uh what's a good [TS]

00:55:26   word an avatar a fake thing that is [TS]

00:55:31   learning what it is to be human a little [TS]

00:55:33   bit right ever and I mean by me man a [TS]

00:55:35   little bit you know she doesn't at the [TS]

00:55:37   end of the show she does not want to be [TS]

00:55:39   rebooted she wants to be with Jason [TS]

00:55:41   people it gives you the ultimate freedom [TS]

00:55:43   as a [TS]

00:55:44   a visual creative medium person of this [TS]

00:55:48   filmic variety where you can you know [TS]

00:55:51   play with those notions of universality [TS]

00:55:53   night I thought this actually the good [TS]

00:55:55   place discards with that when and my [TS]

00:55:58   wife had pointed this out like oh my god [TS]

00:56:00   they threaded the needle on religion in [TS]

00:56:02   the very first episode we says well it's [TS]

00:56:03   about you know who was right she asked [TS]

00:56:05   raising about 5% the Christians and [TS]

00:56:07   fibers of the Jews and five percent it's [TS]

00:56:09   like nobody was really got it at all and [TS]

00:56:10   you're like oh we totally diffuses it so [TS]

00:56:12   there's no God discussed there's no one [TS]

00:56:14   religion that one and it's put into this [TS]

00:56:16   sort of other categories so I'm sure [TS]

00:56:19   some people are offended about it [TS]

00:56:21   because it's is religiously oriented it [TS]

00:56:22   the sense of having an afterlife but [TS]

00:56:25   without it's entirely about ethics [TS]

00:56:27   instead of about religion what's yeah [TS]

00:56:30   its ethics and logic it could not be [TS]

00:56:31   more welcoming and gentle and open about [TS]

00:56:34   the premise of like you all I mean in [TS]

00:56:36   the inning nicest way possible of saying [TS]

00:56:38   at the very beginning what you all got [TS]

00:56:39   it wrong mostly but you had a little bit [TS]

00:56:41   right but it's also just totally [TS]

00:56:43   disarming right it's like look it's all [TS]

00:56:45   good you know you got part of it right [TS]

00:56:48   everybody got a little different part [TS]

00:56:49   right except for the one dude in 1972 [TS]

00:56:51   it's okay last turn like don't and there [TS]

00:56:57   are a bunch of those like when you sit [TS]

00:56:59   and you walk through the episodes like [TS]

00:57:00   that's one of the things that I really [TS]

00:57:02   enjoyed was like um when they first walk [TS]

00:57:05   out into the neighborhood you know and [TS]

00:57:07   michael says and she's talking she says [TS]

00:57:10   asks him a question and I don't remember [TS]

00:57:12   what it was and then he says um well yes [TS]

00:57:16   but you know that's all the result of [TS]

00:57:18   frog Lord zorax long may he wrote yes [TS]

00:57:21   yes the great uh is I'm just kidding and [TS]

00:57:27   like Eddie you know ghost moments every [TS]

00:57:31   once awhile and just like you know the [TS]

00:57:32   folder you know are you what are you [TS]

00:57:34   holding is it is a cactus are you gonna [TS]

00:57:36   try and give me another cactus no it's a [TS]

00:57:38   folder full it's a folder full of things [TS]

00:57:40   and she hands it to him and it's a [TS]

00:57:41   folder full of pictures of cactuses huh [TS]

00:57:44   and like every once in a while there's [TS]

00:57:46   there's that left turn in the middle of [TS]

00:57:48   something and I just I think that was [TS]

00:57:50   the thing that kept me watching was I [TS]

00:57:52   was I wasn't super interested honestly [TS]

00:57:55   you know at the beginning and then [TS]

00:57:56   totally got [TS]

00:57:58   sucked in and it was because of that [TS]

00:57:59   stuff like you know as as Ted Danson [TS]

00:58:02   completely deadpan says frog Lord zorax [TS]

00:58:06   long maybe no ID like oh my god oh my [TS]

00:58:10   god like I actually had that moment of [TS]

00:58:13   like what have I done and then what did [TS]

00:58:15   Glen make me do and then what did I make [TS]

00:58:18   you do that maybe a whole series of [TS]

00:58:21   itself haha what did Glen convince me of [TS]

00:58:24   here exactly and then like and that was [TS]

00:58:27   the part that was that was very [TS]

00:58:29   entertaining to me was was at just often [TS]

00:58:31   enough not often enough to be like oh [TS]

00:58:33   it's just this goofy show but just often [TS]

00:58:37   enough that you don't end up sort of [TS]

00:58:40   drowning in a sea of Chi DS ethics books [TS]

00:58:44   yeah well that's that's the thing i mean [TS]

00:58:47   when when you describe the premise to [TS]

00:58:50   some people who like Oh what is this the [TS]

00:58:51   Summa Theologica do I need a degree in [TS]

00:58:54   divinity to watch those like no no [TS]

00:58:56   absolutely not also also you know when [TS]

00:58:59   Glenn tells you to watch something [TS]

00:59:00   mostly it's a bad idea i'm glad you were [TS]

00:59:03   like oh what did I ever treat what if I [TS]

00:59:07   asked you your sorrows Zardoz Zardoz [TS]

00:59:11   Sarna you can't stop thinking that years [TS]

00:59:13   later so this is this is yeah it is so [TS]

00:59:16   you know if I've gotten to this point [TS]

00:59:17   and you blew through the spoiler horn [TS]

00:59:19   and you still haven't watched you should [TS]

00:59:20   go watch the show it is not only not [TS]

00:59:22   very long but it's really great it is [TS]

00:59:24   unlike anything I've ever seen it is a [TS]

00:59:29   obviously I think this is the only can [TS]

00:59:32   happen when there's a creator that a [TS]

00:59:35   network really trusts and they believe [TS]

00:59:37   in him and his idea and want to see this [TS]

00:59:39   vision kind of fulfilled we're in a [TS]

00:59:42   weird time and television where network [TS]

00:59:43   networks are trying things like like the [TS]

00:59:46   good place and that they would not have [TS]

00:59:47   may be tried in the past and and it's uh [TS]

00:59:51   yeah it's hey we can especially I'm [TS]

00:59:53   willing people to watch it maybe that'll [TS]

00:59:55   pay enough quarters that we can keep the [TS]

00:59:56   machine running exactly right keep those [TS]

00:59:58   magic fingers by bright [TS]

00:59:58   magic fingers by bright [TS]

01:00:00   oh wait when it comes to that kind of [TS]

01:00:03   thing um one of the things for me that [TS]

01:00:05   was actually sort of exciting about this [TS]

01:00:07   was that the whole season was available [TS]

01:00:09   freely yes just as a cable subscriber [TS]

01:00:12   not as a person with netflix or amazon [TS]

01:00:14   prime or Hulu or any other paid TV any [TS]

01:00:17   other paid online only service this is [TS]

01:00:20   something that was available to me I'm [TS]

01:00:21   just a cable I get cable at my house [TS]

01:00:24   cable TV as a cable subscriber I can [TS]

01:00:27   install the NBC app and tell it like [TS]

01:00:31   this is my cable provider or whatever [TS]

01:00:32   and I got the whole season one you know [TS]

01:00:36   back in the day it have shows where you [TS]

01:00:38   had to wait for summer reruns or that [TS]

01:00:40   they were failing until summer reruns [TS]

01:00:42   like Dick Van Dyke and all in the family [TS]

01:00:44   and cheers and all of these shows that [TS]

01:00:45   were like you know pinnacles of [TS]

01:00:47   television were failing for a long time [TS]

01:00:49   because you you didn't have a chance to [TS]

01:00:51   go see them or you didn't have a chance [TS]

01:00:53   to hear about them you know if someone [TS]

01:00:56   said oh you got to see this and it was [TS]

01:00:57   already off off the air for a while and [TS]

01:00:59   now yeah it's very easy to say here just [TS]

01:01:02   sit down turn the computer on your good [TS]

01:01:05   well and not everyone does that and [TS]

01:01:07   that's the thing that I thought was was [TS]

01:01:09   really nice about this was that I don't [TS]

01:01:12   have to wait for the second season to be [TS]

01:01:14   almost here before I can go buy a DVD of [TS]

01:01:18   the first season and watch that you know [TS]

01:01:21   um that was and and as a distribution [TS]

01:01:24   mechanism that was the thing that that I [TS]

01:01:27   really liked I was very excited to know [TS]

01:01:29   that it was out there waiting I could [TS]

01:01:30   watch the whole thing on the NBC up [TS]

01:01:33   there were commercials I'm not at full [TS]

01:01:34   disclosure there were commercials in the [TS]

01:01:36   middle of the show like not as many as I [TS]

01:01:38   got an as i would get watching it on TV [TS]

01:01:39   so the fact that it was out there [TS]

01:01:41   available was really awesome and i want [TS]

01:01:45   more shows to do this because it makes [TS]

01:01:47   it easier for somebody like me who was [TS]

01:01:49   well more than fashionably late to the [TS]

01:01:51   party to still be able to show up [TS]

01:01:53   especially before season two and it was [TS]

01:01:56   really oddly scheduled like the first [TS]

01:01:58   two episodes ran back to back monday [TS]

01:02:00   night at ten after the voice and then [TS]

01:02:03   the third episode ran that thursday at [TS]

01:02:05   eight thirty then it was off then it was [TS]

01:02:08   back on Thursday I mean it was like make [TS]

01:02:11   it harder and harder to find [TS]

01:02:12   but they know that they understand that [TS]

01:02:15   now and at least they've figured out not [TS]

01:02:17   all the networks have figured this out [TS]

01:02:18   but they've figured out that if we make [TS]

01:02:20   it easy to find elsewhere people will [TS]

01:02:22   still find right I'm looking at you CBS [TS]

01:02:25   now the shame of it is we cannot tell [TS]

01:02:27   you I if this is available in fact i did [TS]

01:02:29   a search I'm not sure this show is [TS]

01:02:31   available outside of the US so what I'll [TS]

01:02:33   say is you know give give it a look and [TS]

01:02:36   see if you can find it somewhere on the [TS]

01:02:38   internet may be legally I hope Jason [TS]

01:02:41   hold on are you proposing that people [TS]

01:02:44   engaged in an ethically dubious behavior [TS]

01:02:46   because no definitely not no I'm saying [TS]

01:02:48   that they should get on the internet and [TS]

01:02:50   search for episodes of the good place [TS]

01:02:51   and hopefully in the country that [TS]

01:02:53   they're located they'll find where those [TS]

01:02:55   are legally available Glenn Glenn Glenn [TS]

01:02:57   it's ok we'll just help Jason threw a [TS]

01:02:59   party it'll be fine that's right Jason [TS]

01:03:02   I'm starting to get a train and leave [TS]

01:03:04   the in comfortable have to go drink some [TS]

01:03:05   be right here if you let me actually you [TS]

01:03:08   have to go from the incomparable to the [TS]

01:03:10   competent confer upon place the [TS]

01:03:12   congregation oh all right well I hope [TS]

01:03:15   we've inspired some of you to seek out [TS]

01:03:18   the show and and it's fun to talk about [TS]

01:03:20   i'm looking forward to the second season [TS]

01:03:21   I'm i will go back and watch this first [TS]

01:03:23   season again too because it was so great [TS]

01:03:25   it really rewards rewatching really [TS]

01:03:28   rewards for watching really yeah really [TS]

01:03:30   reward three watch on three times and [TS]

01:03:32   i'm ready to watch it a gate was great [TS]

01:03:33   the second time through is like watching [TS]

01:03:35   a different show and i think that's [TS]

01:03:36   pretty wonder yes yes because now you're [TS]

01:03:39   you're watching knowing the end so now [TS]

01:03:43   you can watch and see all those little [TS]

01:03:44   details that they've dropped in this [TS]

01:03:46   reminds me i did a a foreshadow earlier [TS]

01:03:50   the one bit that i know was cut and was [TS]

01:03:52   in the extended one was michael says i [TS]

01:03:54   think it's an episode 2 e but he says to [TS]

01:03:57   talking to tehani and and jason a gelato [TS]

01:04:02   John you Jason yeah John you thank you [TS]

01:04:05   at the time an Eleanor and she come up [TS]

01:04:06   because oh good I'm glad you're here [TS]

01:04:08   there's nothing that makes me happier [TS]

01:04:10   thinking of the four of you living next [TS]

01:04:12   to each other for all eternity for k [TS]

01:04:17   yeah and brain one of the interviews the [TS]

01:04:20   Creator said something like yeah we [TS]

01:04:22   couldn't get that and we thought it [TS]

01:04:23   might be too much of a tell [TS]

01:04:24   and we cut it but we put it back in the [TS]

01:04:26   extended version but we don't think we [TS]

01:04:28   really thought that was going to give it [TS]

01:04:29   away and and nobody noticed and he's and [TS]

01:04:33   you should you should put the the [TS]

01:04:34   Sepinwall interview in in the shoutout [TS]

01:04:36   oh because it's fantastic and one of the [TS]

01:04:39   things was there there's at least one [TS]

01:04:41   scene or two scenes early on where we [TS]

01:04:44   see Ted by himself and the question was [TS]

01:04:49   is he play acting while he's by himself [TS]

01:04:51   you know if we see him all fake at any [TS]

01:04:55   point would that give it away and they [TS]

01:04:58   said well we had to we had the town we [TS]

01:05:01   had to figure that out the door was [TS]

01:05:02   that's very interesting the doors open [TS]

01:05:05   so he yeah well the thing that I like [TS]

01:05:09   about Ted Danson like as I as we get [TS]

01:05:11   through the end of that last episode is [TS]

01:05:13   that in a bunch of like big ways he's [TS]

01:05:17   exactly the same it was still his first [TS]

01:05:19   neighborhood he's usually it earnest [TS]

01:05:22   about that he's still really excited to [TS]

01:05:25   see how it goes he's really worried [TS]

01:05:27   about things going wrong you're right [TS]

01:05:29   and so he's still like fundamentally the [TS]

01:05:33   same guy it's just that this is all set [TS]

01:05:35   up to torture these people instead of to [TS]

01:05:37   be the good place that they had been led [TS]

01:05:41   to believe that it was well the easiest [TS]

01:05:43   lie to tell is the one that isn't much [TS]

01:05:45   of a lie right most of the detail is [TS]

01:05:48   true and that was the thing that really [TS]

01:05:50   struck me about him was that he like [TS]

01:05:52   none of that stuff was a put-on like it [TS]

01:05:56   seems like for as fundamental as it [TS]

01:05:59   becomes you know because this go ahead [TS]

01:06:02   Michael call the train you want to play [TS]

01:06:04   let's play yeah you know like as [TS]

01:06:06   fundamentally different as the world is [TS]

01:06:09   once Alinor figures that out at the same [TS]

01:06:12   time on another on a bunch of other [TS]

01:06:14   levels like not a lot has changed I [TS]

01:06:16   thought that was really intranet made [TS]

01:06:20   Michael really interesting and that was [TS]

01:06:22   part of what was great about it you [TS]

01:06:24   still somehow feel for him even after [TS]

01:06:26   that right yeah like when he's when he's [TS]

01:06:29   relieved at GD being a little upset he's [TS]

01:06:32   like oh thank you i needed that right [TS]

01:06:34   i'm still and seeing him in the [TS]

01:06:35   conscience guys Ryan's do something [TS]

01:06:37   interesting with his job that [TS]

01:06:38   boring right that's right right and [TS]

01:06:41   that's that is this is such a fine [TS]

01:06:43   tightrope to walk yeah oh my god the [TS]

01:06:46   most horrifying thing in the show it's [TS]

01:06:48   that brilliant thing and they don't over [TS]

01:06:50   use it is when the walls the bedroom [TS]

01:06:51   close and terrifying and the huge cloud [TS]

01:06:58   is that is the most and especially when [TS]

01:07:00   man that is disturbing like even when [TS]

01:07:02   the evil people yeah yes they go behind [TS]

01:07:05   it and close the doors it oh just one my [TS]

01:07:08   wife thought a house filled with clown [TS]

01:07:10   pictures was a dead give away from the [TS]

01:07:12   first check she does not like please [TS]

01:07:14   just say I don't either and even if I [TS]

01:07:17   didn't mind them i think i would I think [TS]

01:07:20   I like them less having watched season [TS]

01:07:23   of this show and watching it back you [TS]

01:07:26   you do send sets that threatening layer [TS]

01:07:28   but the first time this is what what was [TS]

01:07:29   so clever about how it's built is the [TS]

01:07:32   first time through you write it off as [TS]

01:07:33   being part of the mistake with Kristen [TS]

01:07:36   Bell's character and so you're like oh [TS]

01:07:38   well you know so it's funny it's a funny [TS]

01:07:40   thing that the real one like clowns and [TS]

01:07:42   and but the second times you're like oh [TS]

01:07:44   that's cruel that's like--that's message [TS]

01:07:46   especially when and trevor says you know [TS]

01:07:50   what's funny the exact picture is also [TS]

01:07:52   in real Eleanor's room in hell well yeah [TS]

01:07:57   I mean there is we at one point in the [TS]

01:07:59   show we didn't mention this the the [TS]

01:08:01   there is a the real Eleanor is brought [TS]

01:08:03   from the bad place and then that adds [TS]

01:08:04   that amps up the moral dilemma that [TS]

01:08:07   they're all facing which I would make a [TS]

01:08:10   bigger deal of except that it's all [TS]

01:08:12   revealed that it's all fraud in the end [TS]

01:08:13   so it doesn't really matter but that is [TS]

01:08:15   there is a fascinating sort of moral [TS]

01:08:16   question there about how Kristen Bell [TS]

01:08:18   doesn't want to go to hell but at the [TS]

01:08:20   same time she doesn't deserve to be [TS]

01:08:22   where she is and this other woman is in [TS]

01:08:24   the torments of hell because she's got [TS]

01:08:27   her spot and so there's that whole [TS]

01:08:29   ethically except it turns out it's a lie [TS]

01:08:31   but that was that's the premise anyway [TS]

01:08:32   so yeah if there's a lot here folks [TS]

01:08:34   there's a lot here yeah I mean I we [TS]

01:08:37   always talk about what's what's the best [TS]

01:08:39   show you've seen this year what's your [TS]

01:08:41   favorite shows this year this is maybe [TS]

01:08:42   the best show I've seen in at least 10 [TS]

01:08:44   years Wow I'll go that far maybe even [TS]

01:08:47   maybe even more I haven't watched brady [TS]

01:08:49   network television shows i have watched [TS]

01:08:51   and I've been watching all the stuff in [TS]

01:08:52   like sci-fi and you know show time and I [TS]

01:08:54   wrote an HP how and other networks so [TS]

01:08:56   I've actually can compare this now to [TS]

01:08:59   other TV shows I've watched the last [TS]

01:09:01   five years and it's among the best or [TS]

01:09:03   it's probably it's the best funny one [TS]

01:09:04   I've seen it's it's certainly the it's [TS]

01:09:07   it's funny and it's absurd but it's also [TS]

01:09:09   a show of the brain and you don't get [TS]

01:09:11   that very fun I love it well and assumes [TS]

01:09:15   that you can keep up yes yes the other [TS]

01:09:18   shrink about it they don't hit you over [TS]

01:09:20   the head with it eight minutes into the [TS]

01:09:22   first episode and then you spend the [TS]

01:09:24   rest of the season waiting for everybody [TS]

01:09:25   else to figure out the thing they told [TS]

01:09:27   you in the pilot there's no recap I mean [TS]

01:09:29   that that's the other thing is there's [TS]

01:09:30   no previously he you know what Mike [TS]

01:09:33   Schur said is he's fully embraced the [TS]

01:09:34   fact that like look you need to pay [TS]

01:09:35   attention to the show that's what the [TS]

01:09:37   show is that we're not gonna recap it [TS]

01:09:38   you know you don't drop in in the middle [TS]

01:09:40   star from the start this is a story [TS]

01:09:42   we're telling you here and it really is [TS]

01:09:44   and and you can't you can't watch it [TS]

01:09:46   looking at your phone yeah yeah that's [TS]

01:09:48   why do you have to pay attention it's [TS]

01:09:50   one of those shows too but in a good way [TS]

01:09:51   like that all right I'm gonna wrap it up [TS]

01:09:53   here I want to thank my guests for [TS]

01:09:55   talking about the good place in this um [TS]

01:09:56   okay place that we call the middle of [TS]

01:10:00   the internet and Fleischmann thanks for [TS]

01:10:03   being here I hope this counts towards my [TS]

01:10:05   totals Jason yes you go up 183 points [TS]

01:10:07   for this david luce lord thank you for [TS]

01:10:09   being here I'll miss you too you sexy [TS]

01:10:12   skyscraper and Kelly your money thank [TS]

01:10:14   you for being me I think good and thanks [TS]

01:10:18   everybody up there for listening this [TS]

01:10:21   has been the good place and now we [TS]

01:10:23   return you to whatever place you belong [TS]

01:10:25   in see you next week [TS]

01:10:31   you [TS]

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