Roderick on the Line

Ep. 241: "Some Corgi Movement"


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00:00:03   hello daejeon Merlin man John ah how's [TS]

00:00:14   going savior of the universe um bum [TS]

00:00:18   Queen just gets better with age oh [TS]

00:00:22   really oh wow mm-hmm that's quite a [TS]

00:00:27   statement I yes I I really think that I [TS]

00:00:32   think their strongest stuff in the mid [TS]

00:00:36   70s still sounds really fresh I think [TS]

00:00:40   killer quo oh i thought you said weaned [TS]

00:00:43   oh oh I'm just gonna be like well you're [TS]

00:00:48   off to the races don't get too close to [TS]

00:00:51   my fantasy haha no queen is wonderful [TS]

00:00:55   totally access I can see the confusion [TS]

00:00:57   hey Josh how's it goes like and then you [TS]

00:01:00   were like yeah there's stuff in the 70s [TS]

00:01:01   a hug I am NOT following this yeah they [TS]

00:01:04   had to make their own Scotchgard back [TS]

00:01:06   then mmm scottsburg because we sure did [TS]

00:01:11   well they claim that they used to inhale [TS]

00:01:14   Scotchgard hmm i think that's plausible [TS]

00:01:18   yeah they're they're held the pan but [TS]

00:01:21   Queen give much thing that was go ahead [TS]

00:01:23   I would cause you say close the loop on [TS]

00:01:26   Queen all i'ma say about those loop I [TS]

00:01:28   got two things on Queen one is that [TS]

00:01:30   their stuff from especially the mid 70s [TS]

00:01:32   which i think is some of their strongest [TS]

00:01:33   stuff really still holds up great and I [TS]

00:01:36   think something like like I say like [TS]

00:01:38   killer queen or especially a song that [TS]

00:01:40   just gets better every time I hear it is [TS]

00:01:42   somebody to love I've heard that's not [TS]

00:01:43   probably a hundred times and I still [TS]

00:01:45   think it is I mean but Union Rhapsody is [TS]

00:01:48   great I mean it really there's a reason [TS]

00:01:50   that that was what ever the greatest [TS]

00:01:51   selling single in UK history or whatever [TS]

00:01:53   but I really think somebody to love has [TS]

00:01:57   so much going for it that's part one and [TS]

00:01:59   you can feel free to respond part two is [TS]

00:02:01   songs I did not like from queen or I [TS]

00:02:04   thought were off brand for Queen have [TS]

00:02:06   really grown on me over the years yeah [TS]

00:02:08   don't stop me now don't stop me now I at [TS]

00:02:11   the time I was like oh I don't know but [TS]

00:02:13   it's really growing on me over the years [TS]

00:02:14   I 12 [TS]

00:02:17   my bicycle wanted to ride my bag well I [TS]

00:02:21   like he said coke I said game yeah yeah [TS]

00:02:27   yeah yeah anyway it's my feeling on that [TS]

00:02:28   you know Roy Thomas P honor Thomas say [TS]

00:02:30   about that uh yeah Metro Roy Thomas [TS]

00:02:33   Baker talked about him he's got great [TS]

00:02:34   hair guys build is that late did Mike [TS]

00:02:39   again hitter Mike Oh something happens [TS]

00:02:42   hang on it's it's popping and locking [TS]

00:02:45   yeah yeah no no it just it needed to pop [TS]

00:02:48   and lock it's a little bit of a I've [TS]

00:02:50   gotta break dancing like it's oh is that [TS]

00:02:52   right left evenly left to lock it beat [TS]

00:02:57   street the king of the beatsie rocking [TS]

00:02:58   that be from across the street boo boo I [TS]

00:03:00   watched Rita what is the one what's the [TS]

00:03:03   wild style i watch wild style a couple [TS]

00:03:05   weeks ago uh oh nothing up well you know [TS]

00:03:09   what it was i watched that uh hip-hop [TS]

00:03:12   documentary hip-hop evolution oh yes and [TS]

00:03:15   you know it's funny you know there's a [TS]

00:03:18   term the millennium to use triggering so [TS]

00:03:20   like yeah you just show me the tiniest [TS]

00:03:22   clip a grandmaster flash uh beat mixing [TS]

00:03:27   in his in his little kitchenette while [TS]

00:03:29   fab 5 freddy looks on you just show me [TS]

00:03:31   who sends you right back yeah well you [TS]

00:03:33   know the ceilin talking about it's it's [TS]

00:03:34   it's I didn't know it was from well [TS]

00:03:36   stock because I'd never seen while [TS]

00:03:37   stopped but I've seen in many of the [TS]

00:03:38   documentaries I've seen over the years [TS]

00:03:40   there's a very famous scene you know in [TS]

00:03:42   Grandmaster Flash invented like three or [TS]

00:03:45   four of the most important things that [TS]

00:03:46   we consider turntablism today and you [TS]

00:03:49   see this on displaying whatever that was [TS]

00:03:51   by that time 1982 and that does set me [TS]

00:03:54   back it's a pretty good movie the [TS]

00:03:56   story's kind of flimsy but you get the [TS]

00:03:58   graffiti you get the breakdancing you [TS]

00:04:01   get the turntable it's a hell of a thing [TS]

00:04:03   over the over the years this is not a [TS]

00:04:07   thing I ever would have guessed let's [TS]

00:04:10   say 1987 I never would have said if [TS]

00:04:13   you'd come up to me said would you over [TS]

00:04:16   the years subsequent to now ever find [TS]

00:04:20   yourself in a romantic situation with a [TS]

00:04:24   fly girl [TS]

00:04:25   oh I would have said there's very little [TS]

00:04:29   chance of me being in a romantic [TS]

00:04:33   scenario with a fly girl with a girl [TS]

00:04:36   that is even remotely fly like a little [TS]

00:04:38   a lot of my girl a lot of preferential [TS]

00:04:42   and practical reasons why that just [TS]

00:04:45   seemed like a non-starter yeah right i [TS]

00:04:48   mean if you said i don't do a lot of fly [TS]

00:04:50   girls to begin with think the well I or [TS]

00:04:52   I sir I wouldn't I wouldn't have at the [TS]

00:04:55   time thought to myself I'm gonna be [TS]

00:04:57   seeking fly girls I was seeking Pixies [TS]

00:05:00   if you had said how many you know what [TS]

00:05:02   do you think you'll ever be in a [TS]

00:05:03   romantic situation with a pixie I would [TS]

00:05:05   have said yes God willing if he said [TS]

00:05:08   what about someone with the bangs that [TS]

00:05:12   covered most of their eyes I would have [TS]

00:05:13   said yes God willing uh but but not a [TS]

00:05:19   fly girl I would not have thought that I [TS]

00:05:21   would have been uh with anybody that had [TS]

00:05:25   ever done any kind of fly dancing well [TS]

00:05:32   it just kind of wasn't your scene right [TS]

00:05:33   but time is a funny task mistress and as [TS]

00:05:41   time has gone on and my path has gone [TS]

00:05:44   its stumblebum way stumblebum way we [TS]

00:05:47   will and there you know and fly girls of [TS]

00:05:51   course are out in the world going along [TS]

00:05:53   their own paths it's turned out that my [TS]

00:05:55   path and fly girl paths have inner [TS]

00:05:57   intersected more than once and it's [TS]

00:06:00   really an eye-opener yeah to be exposed [TS]

00:06:04   to flag or fly girl culture it's very [TS]

00:06:08   it's very fly could give me a rough idea [TS]

00:06:11   on date range here when this fly girl [TS]

00:06:13   incident happened incidents over the [TS]

00:06:16   corset on over the course of time you [TS]

00:06:19   know because I know if you're saying [TS]

00:06:22   this wasn't a one-off fly girl no no no [TS]

00:06:25   it's uh it's a it's a thing where I [TS]

00:06:27   think fly girls uh you know they're [TS]

00:06:31   speeding along right they achieve a [TS]

00:06:33   certain velocity in their own lives yeah [TS]

00:06:35   and then somewhere out in a distant [TS]

00:06:37   point where you think [TS]

00:06:39   once upon a time when I was listening to [TS]

00:06:41   Van Morrison in some ski lodge outside [TS]

00:06:44   of Spokane trying to see if I we could [TS]

00:06:47   if everybody at the table could scrape [TS]

00:06:49   scrape their pipes enough to get enough [TS]

00:06:51   resin to get us all I and somewhere [TS]

00:06:54   somewhere else you know uh there was you [TS]

00:06:58   know like living color was on and people [TS]

00:07:01   were you know we're wearing like a [TS]

00:07:03   hammer pants and doing fly moves maybe a [TS]

00:07:07   cankle never the twain shall have met [TS]

00:07:10   right but then later on in life yeah [TS]

00:07:12   you're standing around you're like here [TS]

00:07:14   we all are you know waiting for the [TS]

00:07:16   waiting for the minor key to open [TS]

00:07:19   because we all we all got everybody's [TS]

00:07:22   got muffler problems at a certain point [TS]

00:07:24   right gotta get muffled you're standing [TS]

00:07:26   around my car's loud mine too why are [TS]

00:07:29   you here at eight in the morning well [TS]

00:07:29   it's the only time I could get because [TS]

00:07:31   of this because of that own place is [TS]

00:07:33   wick wick wack and then it's like well [TS]

00:07:35   we got an hour to hour to kill while our [TS]

00:07:37   mufflers are getting changed do you want [TS]

00:07:38   to go get a cross screen get a donut [TS]

00:07:40   sure you know and one thing 10 trends [TS]

00:07:44   into another and you're like where you [TS]

00:07:47   from I'm from Hiromi not and uh yeah [TS]

00:07:52   yeah you're like your mic again isn't [TS]

00:07:56   that's what I'm saying it's the [TS]

00:07:57   hypocrites it is a hip-hop it's not my [TS]

00:08:00   dream it's the hip hop hippity hop and [TS]

00:08:02   you don't stop rockin that's what the [TS]

00:08:05   problem and so started it started and [TS]

00:08:07   this is the funniness of this task [TS]

00:08:09   mistress it started in a minor key [TS]

00:08:11   muffler shop that's that the genesis yes [TS]

00:08:15   how does one ask this question what was [TS]

00:08:18   the ethnic makeup of the fly girl well [TS]

00:08:26   the thing about fly girls it's often [TS]

00:08:28   ambiguous you know as time as time has [TS]

00:08:30   gone on but was she stressing it was [TS]

00:08:32   she's strictly white John mmm no okay [TS]

00:08:35   and it's not it's not just she you know [TS]

00:08:37   Lorelei's this well you see why I asked [TS]

00:08:40   though because there's a really big [TS]

00:08:42   difference between meeting a white fly [TS]

00:08:44   girl in a minor key muffler waiting room [TS]

00:08:46   mmm and having her be be a not not one [TS]

00:08:50   hundred percent white flight girl cuz [TS]

00:08:51   that's a different kind of fly girl [TS]

00:08:53   the thing is that that fly is a as an [TS]

00:08:56   appellation that can be attached to a [TS]

00:08:59   lot of different behaviors you can be [TS]

00:09:01   very I mean I consider myself now [TS]

00:09:03   extremely fly but also yeah right hip [TS]

00:09:07   hop dance was a thing that was that was [TS]

00:09:10   an early melting pot in the music [TS]

00:09:14   cultures everyone was everyone that [TS]

00:09:18   could dance you know could get up and [TS]

00:09:20   dance so yeah I mean but also you know [TS]

00:09:26   Merlin were all trending I think in the [TS]

00:09:28   direction of being just sort of [TS]

00:09:31   Mochaccino that's our future that's [TS]

00:09:34   great that's the great arc of history [TS]

00:09:36   yeah the art history is toward toward [TS]

00:09:39   Mochaccino dome and and so i know god [TS]

00:09:46   bless it beyond love see no color oh [TS]

00:09:48   yeah yeah ja I had I have many many [TS]

00:09:56   miniature memories here what one is i [TS]

00:09:59   remember in a circa nineteen [TS]

00:10:01   eighty-eight most most white people were [TS]

00:10:02   still saying rap music and you know the [TS]

00:10:05   rap is music hip hop to the culture [TS]

00:10:06   however you want to break it up but but [TS]

00:10:08   hip-hop was emerging as the the 0 [TS]

00:10:10   current term even in the late 80s in 88 [TS]

00:10:14   really among people that you knew or is [TS]

00:10:16   this something your documentary well no [TS]

00:10:19   this is near the height of my interest [TS]

00:10:21   in this music in particular you know the [TS]

00:10:23   break dancing in the graffiti in the [TS]

00:10:25   whatnot wasn't so much but like no [TS]

00:10:27   really digging what public enemy and of [TS]

00:10:33   course the piece i mean i think i would [TS]

00:10:35   have said i would have I think looking [TS]

00:10:37   back I would have kept saying rap for a [TS]

00:10:39   lot longer rap and then but then wrap [TS]

00:10:41   feel it kind of in the culture rap made [TS]

00:10:43   a big comeback as a term as disparaging [TS]

00:10:47   term during like the ice tea and and 2 [TS]

00:10:52   Live Crew controversies you know rap [TS]

00:10:55   became kind of code it's like say an [TS]

00:10:57   urban in some ways but hip-hop hip-hop I [TS]

00:11:00   thought was the only reason I mentioned [TS]

00:11:02   this is hip hop was on is sent as a term [TS]

00:11:04   and now i'm gonna say this and this is [TS]

00:11:06   not going to sound [TS]

00:11:07   funny in 2017 but in about nineteen [TS]

00:11:09   eighty-eight I said to my my best friend [TS]

00:11:12   college said to Michael hey where's a [TS]

00:11:14   name of your girlfriend so she's this [TS]

00:11:17   one she's teaching hip hop dance lessons [TS]

00:11:19   and I laughed harder than I think I'd [TS]

00:11:22   ever laughed in my entire life that [TS]

00:11:23   there was a white college girl teaching [TS]

00:11:25   something that they're even existed [TS]

00:11:27   something called hip hop dance lessons [TS]

00:11:29   but then it was taught by by a live Yoga [TS]

00:11:32   taking brunette girl now it's a it's a [TS]

00:11:36   full-fledged exercises yeah it's like a [TS]

00:11:40   jumbo or Mambo it's called you but zumba [TS]

00:11:42   zumba is the vacuum what's the one they [TS]

00:11:45   do at the tennis court near my house [TS]

00:11:46   that zumba ball handball that's it [TS]

00:11:51   there's all kinds of ways you can [TS]

00:11:52   incorporate uh you know hip hop into [TS]

00:11:55   your zumba there it is the there was a [TS]

00:11:57   time when you could name a sport [TS]

00:11:59   handball and nobody would laugh it's got [TS]

00:12:01   to dick jokes in it yeah I couldn't do [TS]

00:12:04   it now right yeah no come didn't call [TS]

00:12:06   something handball now that's why [TS]

00:12:08   nobody's really funny I really thought [TS]

00:12:10   about that i was driving yesterday I [TS]

00:12:13   decided I there was there's one place in [TS]

00:12:16   Washington that I I'm sorry not in [TS]

00:12:19   Washington but in in King County in my [TS]

00:12:21   neighborhood basically that I couldn't [TS]

00:12:23   quite figure out and it's one of those [TS]

00:12:25   things maybe you've had this to where [TS]

00:12:26   you're coming in for a landing on an [TS]

00:12:28   airplane and you're looking out the [TS]

00:12:29   window and you look down you go yeah I [TS]

00:12:31   know where that is i know where that is [TS]

00:12:33   but there was always this thing where i [TS]

00:12:34   was like what is that like where's that [TS]

00:12:37   how do i get from hither together and i [TS]

00:12:41   would see it out the airplane right but [TS]

00:12:42   it wasn't between anywhere and anywhere [TS]

00:12:45   it was a it was a place that I was gonna [TS]

00:12:48   need to dedicate a day did you know you [TS]

00:12:51   know roughly geographically where you [TS]

00:12:52   were oh I knew well I knew where it was [TS]

00:12:55   it's just that you know because Seattle [TS]

00:12:58   was once under a large glacier the [TS]

00:13:03   entire region was covered by glacier and [TS]

00:13:07   as a consequence there are long ridges [TS]

00:13:12   that run north-south [TS]

00:13:16   from you know Canada down to let's say [TS]

00:13:21   the Columbia River and the glacier the [TS]

00:13:24   extent of the glacier now I'm talking [TS]

00:13:26   about be the Pleistocene is that how you [TS]

00:13:32   pronounce it pleistocene Pleistocene is [TS]

00:13:35   that yeah a time of that era like the [TS]

00:13:39   the ice sheet ice sheet glacier it was [TS]

00:13:44   like it didn't go all the way to [TS]

00:13:47   Portland but it did cover this region [TS]

00:13:48   anyway so there are a lot of these long [TS]

00:13:50   thin north to south running uh like [TS]

00:13:57   hills right through Capitol Hill is one [TS]

00:14:00   queen anne Hill Lake Washington is a [TS]

00:14:02   dredged long north-south dredged Lake [TS]

00:14:06   puget sound really created by these [TS]

00:14:08   glaciers I did not know any of this yeah [TS]

00:14:12   it's a young plug your mic again Oh hip [TS]

00:14:15   hop hippity hop don't stop the rocket to [TS]

00:14:19   the thing so is it popping or is it [TS]

00:14:21   gonna be popping is Marco gonna write a [TS]

00:14:22   article about it is grutas Gruber gonna [TS]

00:14:25   write an article about there's a pretty [TS]

00:14:26   good pretty good chance I'll see also [TS]

00:14:28   mark says you're using the wrong [TS]

00:14:29   headphones just say no no matter what [TS]

00:14:31   you want to the wrong headphones I just [TS]

00:14:33   ordered a pair of headphones he met you [TS]

00:14:36   know you're not using the sm7b right uh [TS]

00:14:38   right now no I'm not you know is he's [TS]

00:14:40   had he's had with you please knee sm7b [TS]

00:14:42   marcos out of that i'm using the be [TS]

00:14:44   castor and marcos gonna have to get [TS]

00:14:46   himself he's gonna have to get right [TS]

00:14:47   with time right with history but the [TS]

00:14:50   other day I i was looking at headphones [TS]

00:14:52   and i went to wire cutter and there were [TS]

00:14:55   75 hundred different cutter that's [TS]

00:14:57   exciting i didn't know you knew about [TS]

00:14:58   wire cutter yeah 7,500 different options [TS]

00:15:01   and they were telling me the best ones [TS]

00:15:02   if i wanted bluetooth noise canceling [TS]

00:15:04   headphones that would look really good [TS]

00:15:06   if i lived in an apartment in London [TS]

00:15:08   that overlooked the Thames and then I [TS]

00:15:11   saw my trusty old sony 75 0 sixes which [TS]

00:15:17   i'm using right now and i've had since [TS]

00:15:20   1999 and they're completely thrashed and [TS]

00:15:23   oh my god are they LP ly o thy peeled [TS]

00:15:26   all the peeling off oh god Sophie Lee [TS]

00:15:28   that I just peel them off it's all foam [TS]

00:15:30   and the the jack has been jacked so many [TS]

00:15:34   times that I have to put it exactly [TS]

00:15:35   right to get it to be in stereo [TS]

00:15:37   otherwise it just Manos itself but I [TS]

00:15:41   ordered a new pair of them which are I [TS]

00:15:43   believe arriving today all exciting [TS]

00:15:46   because I was like I want to hear things [TS]

00:15:48   in stereo all the time I don't want to [TS]

00:15:50   have to futz with it anyway so this this [TS]

00:15:54   very large glacier that used to cover [TS]

00:15:57   all of Washington which created a lot of [TS]

00:16:01   Washington's geography was created by [TS]

00:16:03   glaciation and its attendant affects [TS]

00:16:06   their the glacier would come down and a [TS]

00:16:10   giant lake would form behind it that [TS]

00:16:12   would encompass most of Montana and then [TS]

00:16:15   the ice dam would break Merlin the ice [TS]

00:16:19   dam would break periodically and and [TS]

00:16:22   biblical floods would scour the entire [TS]

00:16:26   region that's what causes the [TS]

00:16:28   north-south ridges the scrapes no no no [TS]

00:16:31   the scrapes are from actual glaciers [TS]

00:16:33   like scraping hello but though but the [TS]

00:16:36   floods were so big that if you go into [TS]

00:16:38   eastern Washington now you can go if you [TS]

00:16:42   go up at an airplane you can see ripples [TS]

00:16:46   in the ground like the ripples you would [TS]

00:16:49   see it under at the bottom of a little [TS]

00:16:51   stream gigantic ripples across the [TS]

00:16:54   entire landscape that formed when Hugh [TS]

00:16:58   massive floods would roll over the [TS]

00:17:00   ripples that when you're on the ground [TS]

00:17:02   it just seems like rolling hills but [TS]

00:17:04   from up in from up in the sky it it you [TS]

00:17:08   know you can see that it's actually like [TS]

00:17:10   wait formed by waves this is out in the [TS]

00:17:13   desert in the country Wow pretty [TS]

00:17:16   interesting but selling so I was coming [TS]

00:17:20   down for landing and on one of these [TS]

00:17:22   ridges that characterized the northwest [TS]

00:17:24   it's a ridge it's a ridge without a home [TS]

00:17:28   right on the one side it drops a giant [TS]

00:17:33   cliff down to down to the Green River [TS]

00:17:36   Valley and the valley is very flat and [TS]

00:17:39   it's used to be all farms and now it's [TS]

00:17:41   all [TS]

00:17:42   distribution warehouses and so so on one [TS]

00:17:47   side it's a huge cliff and there's only [TS]

00:17:49   like that maybe a half a dozen roads [TS]

00:17:51   that go up the side of it and on the [TS]

00:17:54   other side is I five so there's this [TS]

00:17:58   long long long strip that goes the top [TS]

00:18:01   of this Ridge that goes all the way from [TS]

00:18:03   Seattle to Tacoma and it's very narrow [TS]

00:18:06   the the top of it and there's no reason [TS]

00:18:10   to be there right up here if you want to [TS]

00:18:12   go for Tacoma you can go down this [TS]

00:18:15   freeway that's right there and if you [TS]

00:18:17   want to go down the farm country you can [TS]

00:18:19   go down the farm side why would I drive [TS]

00:18:22   this Ridge you know it's not and there's [TS]

00:18:24   no like one rose it's not it was very [TS]

00:18:27   confused very confused you knock your [TS]

00:18:32   mic out again and I hope they don't talk [TS]

00:18:37   there's something very interesting about [TS]

00:18:40   today mm-hmm you know what it is before [TS]

00:18:42   I resume that story let's see uh let's [TS]

00:18:46   see civil war officially ended I think [TS]

00:18:49   yesterday mmm misty well let me ask you [TS]

00:18:52   this is it an anniversary or is it a [TS]

00:18:53   nonce as they say in England uh it's a [TS]

00:18:56   nonce okay um is the story okay uh so [TS]

00:19:03   today is the first day of spring break [TS]

00:19:06   here in Seattle and so my little girl is [TS]

00:19:12   here with me today and we've never [TS]

00:19:16   experimented with this which is um I'm [TS]

00:19:19   podcasting while she's here and I said [TS]

00:19:22   now go because usually she's in school [TS]

00:19:25   at this time I said now go to go play on [TS]

00:19:28   the big carpet and daddy will be doing [TS]

00:19:30   his podcast and she said okay and I said [TS]

00:19:33   now don't come up with any kind of [TS]

00:19:35   little invented problem and she said [TS]

00:19:37   that's fine so uh now as we've been [TS]

00:19:42   talking there's been a creeping shadow [TS]

00:19:44   in my doorway and at one point I think [TS]

00:19:47   you might have gotten a corgi I could [TS]

00:19:49   sound like some quirky movement yeah [TS]

00:19:51   there was a little bit of movement that [TS]

00:19:53   sounded Korg you like then she peeked [TS]

00:19:55   her header [TS]

00:19:56   on the door and I said and then she in [TS]

00:20:00   an attempt to be very quiet some bunch [TS]

00:20:03   of marbles tumble down the stairs so she [TS]

00:20:07   was being very quiet and I think spilled [TS]

00:20:09   like 14 month it's a lot to ask of [TS]

00:20:11   somebody her age it is it's actually I'm [TS]

00:20:13   not being I'm not kidding it's a lot to [TS]

00:20:15   ask no it is uh I don't know if you've [TS]

00:20:18   ever heard 14 marbles go down a set of [TS]

00:20:20   stairs I bet you have but it's not the [TS]

00:20:22   snot like strictly in the family of [TS]

00:20:25   being quiet like daddy asked and now [TS]

00:20:29   she's lurking in the doorway playing [TS]

00:20:31   with a stuffed rabbit and I'm not so I [TS]

00:20:34   have to just chhabria check in okay [TS]

00:20:36   sweetie is everything okay yeah you just [TS]

00:20:41   wanted to see what daddy was doing but [TS]

00:20:45   you don't need anything no okay okay [TS]

00:20:48   good you're doing a very good job yes [TS]

00:20:52   that is a good question she said when [TS]

00:20:58   the UPS guy comes cuz I told her that [TS]

00:21:01   the UPS guy was coming I said don't be [TS]

00:21:03   worried if a UPS guy comes on the steps [TS]

00:21:05   she just said if he comes to the door do [TS]

00:21:09   I have to answer the door good question [TS]

00:21:12   and I'm gonna say no you do not have to [TS]

00:21:14   answer the door the door is locked if [TS]

00:21:16   you want you can look out the window and [TS]

00:21:20   point down and say put the box in front [TS]

00:21:22   of the door and then am-scray but you [TS]

00:21:25   don't have to do that either you can [TS]

00:21:27   hide in your room the UPS guy will [TS]

00:21:29   figure it out sound good ok good as by [TS]

00:21:35   way of saying yes she just with her [TS]

00:21:37   tongue when I've been a bit up mm-hmm [TS]

00:21:39   orcs from which I international sign up [TS]

00:21:42   saying yeah rings ring yeah spring break [TS]

00:21:47   so work we've got a lot of action [TS]

00:21:48   planned what oh yeah what would you you [TS]

00:21:52   plan anything special oh we're just [TS]

00:21:55   gonna go around you know we carry potter [TS]

00:21:57   land we don't have that here i know i [TS]

00:22:00   know you could go see a glacier we may [TS]

00:22:02   we may a little bit of a drive but put [TS]

00:22:05   your weather like right now I'm [TS]

00:22:08   schooling for myself [TS]

00:22:09   this has been the coldest rainiest [TS]

00:22:12   winter in a long time and I think maybe [TS]

00:22:14   even the rainiest winter on record mmm [TS]

00:22:16   while I'm saying something right yeah it [TS]

00:22:19   is none of the flowers are blooming the [TS]

00:22:22   rhododendrons aren't blooming the [TS]

00:22:24   rhododendrons usually will would have [TS]

00:22:26   blooms a month ago I have no tulips I [TS]

00:22:29   know there's nothing it's just like pure [TS]

00:22:33   desolation the only thing growing is [TS]

00:22:35   like scrub grass and dandy lines you you [TS]

00:22:41   would not believe how different things [TS]

00:22:43   are here because we finally got rain [TS]

00:22:46   there's been a historic drought for [TS]

00:22:48   years and yeah it's but I mean it's [TS]

00:22:51   actually it's one of the small bits of [TS]

00:22:53   good news in the last long but like [TS]

00:22:57   first of all the the official official [TS]

00:22:59   double secret probation drought has [TS]

00:23:02   finally been called off the e like [TS]

00:23:04   really well yeah I mean it's been pretty [TS]

00:23:06   pretty bad and so Governor Brown finally [TS]

00:23:10   said okay we're going to take off the [TS]

00:23:12   double secret probation uh you know [TS]

00:23:14   restrictions but which is good but you [TS]

00:23:17   know it's good we've all learned to be [TS]

00:23:18   much more careful with water but here's [TS]

00:23:21   the amazing part I think you'd enjoy [TS]

00:23:22   this anecdote when we did our little [TS]

00:23:24   trip for spring break we drove which is [TS]

00:23:26   so much better than flying oh my god it [TS]

00:23:29   was amazing to drive around California [TS]

00:23:30   rather than fly around California um but [TS]

00:23:33   you know what's happened is a in [TS]

00:23:36   addition to you know less of the need [TS]

00:23:38   for super strict conservation that's [TS]

00:23:41   still a good idea uh it's brought back I [TS]

00:23:43   mean used to be you know it's like you [TS]

00:23:45   drive to California everything's Brown I [TS]

00:23:47   mean just not just burns not just parks [TS]

00:23:49   but like those beautiful like rolling [TS]

00:23:51   hills you see in central California like [TS]

00:23:53   those have been brown for as long as I [TS]

00:23:55   can remember not only one big shafte [TS]

00:23:58   like was just so awful everything and [TS]

00:24:01   you know Tahoe I think everything has [TS]

00:24:03   been affected by this but the great news [TS]

00:24:04   is first of all the green is back and [TS]

00:24:05   which is nice but here's the other cool [TS]

00:24:07   thing wild flowers that have not bloomed [TS]

00:24:09   for something like a decade are blooming [TS]

00:24:11   for the first time in years and it's [TS]

00:24:13   gorgeous like people are like in places [TS]

00:24:15   with like I had no idea that we're even [TS]

00:24:16   wildflowers here and it's gorgeous it's [TS]

00:24:19   really Liz really you know it sounds [TS]

00:24:20   but it's kind of lovely to drive around [TS]

00:24:22   and have it not just you know look like [TS]

00:24:23   Mad Max or something it doesn't sound [TS]

00:24:25   silly i I've been I've been blown away [TS]

00:24:28   by you know because the first times I [TS]

00:24:30   went to California and drove you know [TS]

00:24:34   drove throughout the state it was during [TS]

00:24:39   a wet period I guess you know the the [TS]

00:24:43   late 80s mid to late 80s and it was like [TS]

00:24:46   that the hills around San Francisco were [TS]

00:24:48   you know for for a lot of the spring and [TS]

00:24:51   into early summer and then starting in [TS]

00:24:53   the fall they were green and lush and it [TS]

00:24:56   was like a it just seemed like paradise [TS]

00:24:59   down there and Shasta was all the way [TS]

00:25:02   full and the rivers running high and and [TS]

00:25:04   you know you really got the feeling of [TS]

00:25:08   what a garden California was and then [TS]

00:25:13   when the drought started and the lakes [TS]

00:25:15   went down it was kind of like oh boy [TS]

00:25:17   this is a bad couple of years but then [TS]

00:25:20   it never stopped and the lakes went down [TS]

00:25:22   and down and down and everything died [TS]

00:25:23   and it was I mean it was a tragedy for [TS]

00:25:26   me even as a Washingtonian who was [TS]

00:25:29   sitting up your gloating you know I was [TS]

00:25:31   like lawl water wars law but then when I [TS]

00:25:35   would drive in California I was like oh [TS]

00:25:37   no I love it here and all those cranks [TS]

00:25:41   up in Northern California who were [TS]

00:25:43   putting billboards on the side of the [TS]

00:25:44   road and saying like this used to be [TS]

00:25:47   good farmland but the government killed [TS]

00:25:49   it with the damn you know didn't they [TS]

00:25:51   didn't agree to them they're not giving [TS]

00:25:54   us the water for political reasons and I [TS]

00:25:55   was like are you fucking kidding me yeah [TS]

00:25:57   there's no water ding-a-lings it's [TS]

00:25:59   already such a precarious system I mean [TS]

00:26:01   yeah you can't grow strawberries up here [TS]

00:26:03   anymore like all almonds maybe they [TS]

00:26:06   should I coal mining John I understand [TS]

00:26:10   is coming back bigley clump coal mining [TS]

00:26:12   Bigley yeah it is it's big lead I was [TS]

00:26:14   just up at a in a coal neighborhood here [TS]

00:26:16   in in Seattle just yesterday did you see [TS]

00:26:18   the whole mining Museum in Kentucky the [TS]

00:26:20   switching to solar it's not financially [TS]

00:26:25   feasible do not grow not switch to [TS]

00:26:27   similar at this point [TS]

00:26:29   [Music] [TS]

00:26:31   uh yeah there's a there's a town here [TS]

00:26:33   called Black Diamond oh I thinking [TS]

00:26:35   thinking gather with the Black Diamond [TS]

00:26:37   the the titular black diamond as a [TS]

00:26:41   tribute to the Kissel mm-hmm but no it's [TS]

00:26:47   about coal oh sorry lack in my [TS]

00:26:51   dictionary that's the third definition [TS]

00:26:53   you get happy is yeah you got like your [TS]

00:26:57   Paul Stanley song right you got skiing [TS]

00:27:00   thing mmm then you got yet make an [TS]

00:27:03   actual diamond now do they actually grow [TS]

00:27:04   diamonds there did that happen uh no [TS]

00:27:07   blackdiamond is a way of describing cool [TS]

00:27:10   oh I see okay black gold oil text tool [TS]

00:27:15   well Texas t8 but you know Cole is uh is [TS]

00:27:19   shimmery like like like pyrite shines [TS]

00:27:23   brightly diamond yeah it does it does in [TS]

00:27:26   the dark and Seattle I mean one of the [TS]

00:27:29   first big the first big things that that [TS]

00:27:33   justified the creation of Seattle was we [TS]

00:27:36   found really rich coal deposits just [TS]

00:27:40   sort of up in the hills next to here [TS]

00:27:42   Cole of course being the produce of many [TS]

00:27:47   years of compressed vegetation and we're [TS]

00:27:51   famous for our lush vegetation in the [TS]

00:27:54   region so big thick big thick seams of [TS]

00:27:57   coal and we remind those and we sent it [TS]

00:28:00   guess where San Francisco no kidding we [TS]

00:28:04   sent our coal and our lumber to San [TS]

00:28:06   Francisco and that was what made Seattle [TS]

00:28:09   an economic powerhouse in the early [TS]

00:28:11   years they say that all of San Francisco [TS]

00:28:15   pre-fire was built with Washington [TS]

00:28:19   lumber oh my goodness and then you [TS]

00:28:22   burned it all down with your dumb you [TS]

00:28:23   know Mary's cow tipping over a bucket of [TS]

00:28:26   fire whatever the hell that was well i [TS]

00:28:28   guess it was an earthquake yeah mrs. [TS]

00:28:30   O'Leary's earthquake mrs. O'Leary's [TS]

00:28:32   earthquake but uh but so there are still [TS]

00:28:35   coal mines just right to the east of [TS]

00:28:37   town we one of our favorite hiking spots [TS]

00:28:40   is up on coal creek road and you can [TS]

00:28:43   still there still [TS]

00:28:44   mine shafts there and the smell of like [TS]

00:28:48   underground coal comes up and there's a [TS]

00:28:52   place called flaming geyser State Park [TS]

00:28:55   which a guy was drilling a hole to see [TS]

00:28:59   if there was any coal down there and um [TS]

00:29:02   and then a bunch of gas started escaping [TS]

00:29:05   a line like come coming up out of his [TS]

00:29:07   hole so of course you know he's a guy [TS]

00:29:10   what's he gonna do make a fart joke he [TS]

00:29:13   sets it on fire oh jeez Louise well I'd [TS]

00:29:16   imagine like let's see what happens if I [TS]

00:29:19   like this and then like old faithful but [TS]

00:29:22   with fire yeah so up out of the ground [TS]

00:29:24   came up came not bubble and crude but a [TS]

00:29:27   three a three-foot-tall of like tower of [TS]

00:29:32   flame and it's been burning ever since [TS]

00:29:35   are you kidding oh so they built a they [TS]

00:29:38   both look at that it's got its little [TS]

00:29:41   stone with a flame coming out of it [TS]

00:29:43   right holy how is it how is it so [TS]

00:29:47   regular though it seems like you would [TS]

00:29:48   come in dangerous pockets I think that [TS]

00:29:52   it sort of just gradually sometimes it's [TS]

00:29:55   a little higher sometimes a little lower [TS]

00:29:56   but it doesn't like it never flames like [TS]

00:29:59   okay it just kind of sits out there day [TS]

00:30:02   and night flamin it's a beautiful park [TS]

00:30:04   right next to the green river you can go [TS]

00:30:07   look at this little thing it's kind of [TS]

00:30:09   overwhelming when you get there because [TS]

00:30:10   it's like flaming geyser that sounds [TS]

00:30:12   incredible like it's gonna be 30 feet [TS]

00:30:14   tall it's about the size of a campground [TS]

00:30:17   barbecue yeah right it just looks pretty [TS]

00:30:20   it's very modest it looks like it's [TS]

00:30:22   inside of maybe a memorial park they've [TS]

00:30:24   got some some stones around it it's very [TS]

00:30:27   very modest to say the least yeah it's [TS]

00:30:30   not even more they just put some [TS]

00:30:32   somebody put some stones around it i [TS]

00:30:33   think at one point maybe because in the [TS]

00:30:36   1950s people couldn't resist somebody [TS]

00:30:39   like opened up 14 bags of concrete and [TS]

00:30:42   built something they poured concrete [TS]

00:30:43   around it and because i couldn't because [TS]

00:30:45   a lot more brutalist yeah like I got [TS]

00:30:49   this concrete great hey I know let's go [TS]

00:30:52   put it around the flaming geyser [TS]

00:30:54   but right next to it is two ponds where [TS]

00:30:56   they where they're like farm not farm [TS]

00:30:59   but like there it's like a fishery [TS]

00:31:01   they're making trout on the waterfall [TS]

00:31:05   there this is very pretty well yeah and [TS]

00:31:07   but the thing is it's really then you go [TS]

00:31:09   up into the gorge there's a green river [TS]

00:31:10   gorge there and it's awesome just [TS]

00:31:12   completely gnarly you wouldn't even [TS]

00:31:14   think that it could be so awesome so [TS]

00:31:17   close to a big town the Black Diamond is [TS]

00:31:19   there and you can still smell the coal [TS]

00:31:21   coming out of it there's just for what [TS]

00:31:23   it's worth there appears to be a small [TS]

00:31:24   but loyal genre of people being [TS]

00:31:27   photographed next to the flaming geyser [TS]

00:31:29   and making it this is it face should [TS]

00:31:37   have done it myself yeah basically it's [TS]

00:31:40   the size of the flame is kind of like if [TS]

00:31:42   I didn't get our burner lid on the first [TS]

00:31:44   try it goes yeah that's nice and it just [TS]

00:31:48   fluffed there nobody guards it there's [TS]

00:31:50   nothing around it you can probably go [TS]

00:31:52   put a coffee can over it and snuff it [TS]

00:31:54   out pretty easily but it's been burning [TS]

00:31:57   for a hundred years and there it is [TS]

00:31:58   flaming geyser that's cool I'm a little [TS]

00:32:00   things like that but it's seriously [TS]

00:32:02   underwhelming we considering that the [TS]

00:32:04   that the natural setting of it is pretty [TS]

00:32:07   grand what's a MacGuffin right you come [TS]

00:32:10   for the guys who you stay for the tubing [TS]

00:32:11   that's right or the best if you like and [TS]

00:32:14   the huge park that's there it's one of [TS]

00:32:16   those parks that in the summer you will [TS]

00:32:20   never get in there's no place to park [TS]

00:32:22   your you know it's like just jammed [TS]

00:32:24   because the beautiful big big spacious [TS]

00:32:26   park next to the river but it's one of [TS]

00:32:28   those outdoor recreation areas where [TS]

00:32:31   10,000 people come and only 45 people go [TS]

00:32:36   more than a hundred feet from the [TS]

00:32:38   parking sure sure sure right it's just [TS]

00:32:40   blankets get laid out barbecues get Liz [TS]

00:32:42   it like camping kind of thing yeah yeah [TS]

00:32:44   ribs get eaten and seriously 200 feet [TS]

00:32:48   away you're in a largely like natural [TS]

00:32:52   environment untampered with natural [TS]

00:32:56   environment it's like a forest primeval [TS]

00:32:58   yeah if you like I'm sure it's been [TS]

00:33:03   logged more than once but it but a long [TS]

00:33:05   time ago and now it's back to now [TS]

00:33:07   crazy forest uh and it's wonderful and [TS]

00:33:13   especially when it's when it's lightly [TS]

00:33:16   misting when it's slightly raining which [TS]

00:33:18   it often is up here it's a great place [TS]

00:33:19   to hide cuz nobody's there magic it's [TS]

00:33:22   yeah it's just it's so magic huh it's [TS]

00:33:25   kind of as mad it's magic like um like [TS]

00:33:27   being in California after the drought is [TS]

00:33:29   lifted I mean it's a small thing that it [TS]

00:33:31   was nice it's not a small thing it's an [TS]

00:33:34   enormous thing like you guys are now all [TS]

00:33:37   uh you got a little like a reprieve from [TS]

00:33:41   your um your death from thirst you were [TS]

00:33:46   you were all there was like millions of [TS]

00:33:47   people on the verge of thirst death [TS]

00:33:49   there's thurston that still happen I [TS]

00:33:51   mean like places like Bakersfield still [TS]

00:33:52   I mean it's no Flint but things are not [TS]

00:33:54   great there I mean it's there she just [TS]

00:33:57   here like you know California reports [TS]

00:33:59   stories on stuff like you know where [TS]

00:34:00   it's actually cheaper to buy pop at a [TS]

00:34:03   you know convenience store than water [TS]

00:34:05   it's like it's just it's so depressing [TS]

00:34:07   um I have a question for you though but [TS]

00:34:10   here's bill was never that great let's [TS]

00:34:12   beyond well the music's nice we that i [TS]

00:34:15   would say about the campground we stayed [TS]

00:34:16   at in Bakersfield I feel like I probably [TS]

00:34:17   did I don't think you know when you when [TS]

00:34:21   you're when you're picking a place to go [TS]

00:34:23   you're not always aware of the exact [TS]

00:34:25   surroundings and my lady playing out [TS]

00:34:27   this really nice trip for us is probably [TS]

00:34:28   out of ten fifteen years ago at this [TS]

00:34:30   point but included a stop in Bakersfield [TS]

00:34:32   i think was is that is that on the way [TS]

00:34:35   is that one of the on the ways to yeah [TS]

00:34:38   that's one of the on the ways to los [TS]

00:34:39   angeles right sort oh I mean it's down [TS]

00:34:42   there but you would have to be going [TS]

00:34:43   through fresno you haven't eat vine and [TS]

00:34:46   all that stuff yeah i mean you could pop [TS]

00:34:48   over there but in any way i remember it [TS]

00:34:49   was enroute to somewhere else we want to [TS]

00:34:51   not do the whole drive in one day so [TS]

00:34:52   this is not particularly interesting but [TS]

00:34:54   we ended up stopping at like a like a [TS]

00:34:55   KOA and we got in what's called a cozy [TS]

00:34:58   cabin with 2 k's and a cozy cabin I was [TS]

00:35:01   like this is great we're gonna stop it's [TS]

00:35:02   you know they've got a place there they [TS]

00:35:03   got it they got a bathroom you know they [TS]

00:35:05   got like a little shop and then you go [TS]

00:35:07   to your cozy cabin and number one the [TS]

00:35:09   cozy cabin was sort of like this is more [TS]

00:35:12   of a warm weather climate thing but you [TS]

00:35:14   know in Florida a lot of people have a [TS]

00:35:15   shed in the backyard that's hot and full [TS]

00:35:17   of bees it's like a step above that it's [TS]

00:35:20   like there's [TS]

00:35:21   like cots there's like you know bunk [TS]

00:35:23   beds in this thing but it's pretty well [TS]

00:35:25   weighted it that let me just get back to [TS]

00:35:27   Florida shed of bees yeah is that is it [TS]

00:35:29   full of bees on purpose movies because [TS]

00:35:32   they they just haven't been in there in [TS]

00:35:33   a while well I think it started not [TS]

00:35:35   being on purpose and eventually just [TS]

00:35:36   became a way of life you know you got [TS]

00:35:40   there ok we got the madwoman in the [TS]

00:35:41   Attic he got the bees on the shed uh so [TS]

00:35:44   create crazy crazy camp also we should [TS]

00:35:46   come back to Don Rickles um so yeah so [TS]

00:35:50   that was okay it was fine it wasn't [TS]

00:35:52   particularly comfortable but a it was [TS]

00:35:55   right next to the highway that we had [TS]

00:35:57   just gotten off of so it was [TS]

00:35:59   particularly as rustic as the cabin was [TS]

00:36:01   the setting was not that great the other [TS]

00:36:03   thing we discovered it was like just [TS]

00:36:05   past the highway was a regional airport [TS]

00:36:07   so not only did you get the 18-wheelers [TS]

00:36:10   going by but the occasional plane just [TS]

00:36:13   going straight over your head literally [TS]

00:36:15   all night long never have this kind of [TS]

00:36:17   harrowing nights those kind of harrowing [TS]

00:36:19   like this is just going to go on whether [TS]

00:36:20   that's maybe that's mosquitoes or maybe [TS]

00:36:23   that's a light source or something just [TS]

00:36:24   one of those this is going to be an [TS]

00:36:25   inescapable night we just need to get [TS]

00:36:27   through it was one of those nights yeah [TS]

00:36:29   those are the best one thing we had were [TS]

00:36:31   nights at another night camping our air [TS]

00:36:33   mattress deflated and we did not realize [TS]

00:36:35   that we were camped on top of the roots [TS]

00:36:38   of a tree and we didn't realize until [TS]

00:36:40   the mattress deflated oh my god you know [TS]

00:36:43   like this problem with deflating [TS]

00:36:44   mattresses I know you're all the [TS]

00:36:46   deflated mattress problems with the [TS]

00:36:48   bands I do know about them but that is [TS]

00:36:52   the worst when you when you realize like [TS]

00:36:54   oh you know what it's only 10 15 p.m. [TS]

00:36:57   that dog is in a bark all night I feel [TS]

00:37:00   ya this is already the worst night of my [TS]

00:37:02   life of him and it can only go one [TS]

00:37:05   direction from here Carl are you know [TS]

00:37:08   well in the I mean might the one of one [TS]

00:37:11   of my signature worst nights was a night [TS]

00:37:13   in Hungary where as soon as I turned off [TS]

00:37:16   the light beak the clacking of the [TS]

00:37:18   gigantic roaches Oh God uh was was loud [TS]

00:37:24   enough that I could not get to sleep [TS]

00:37:26   from the clacking oh that end this [TS]

00:37:28   eldritch horror yeah and then I would [TS]

00:37:31   turn the light on and I would go to war [TS]

00:37:33   these giant roaches uh until it was just [TS]

00:37:37   Roach just bit was just a pure carnage [TS]

00:37:40   it was like at the armenia of roaches [TS]

00:37:44   and I'm sorry sorry sorry that I'm sorry [TS]

00:37:48   that just called Armenia here's the [TS]

00:37:51   things you never go up against the [TS]

00:37:52   sicilian when death is on the line and [TS]

00:37:54   you never go to war with roaches uh-oh [TS]

00:37:57   they mocking the clacking is a whole [TS]

00:37:59   Alaska and then I turned off the lights [TS]

00:38:01   and I was like listen you know I just [TS]

00:38:03   need to you know just need to get with [TS]

00:38:05   my happy place I need to just get into a [TS]

00:38:07   zone with God here yeah the clacking [TS]

00:38:09   like I did not make the roaches the [TS]

00:38:12   roaches are here sharing the world with [TS]

00:38:14   me I am you know kumbaya and then a [TS]

00:38:17   roach fell off the ceiling onto me uh [TS]

00:38:20   like Haun to my head area and I was like [TS]

00:38:24   okay and that's not a nice Florida thing [TS]

00:38:26   is you just wake up with roaches on you [TS]

00:38:27   sometimes yeah just because they're [TS]

00:38:29   everywhere people don't call them [TS]

00:38:30   roaches they call them water bugs yeah [TS]

00:38:33   we're Potter metal bugs that doesn't [TS]

00:38:36   make them feel nicer yeah up here in the [TS]

00:38:38   northwest we don't have them every once [TS]

00:38:41   in a while I think a boat would come in [TS]

00:38:43   from afar from low far form locale and [TS]

00:38:45   it would drop off some weird little [TS]

00:38:47   brown chairman roaches uh but you know [TS]

00:38:50   like I've lived in this house for ten [TS]

00:38:52   years I've never seen a road trip I [TS]

00:38:53   roaches it like the little critters [TS]

00:38:55   right yeah the ones that kind of live in [TS]

00:38:57   them I don't know where they live say [TS]

00:38:59   living little sinks and stuff the ones [TS]

00:39:02   in florida i haven't of florida are like [TS]

00:39:04   a couple inches long and well over half [TS]

00:39:07   an inch wide and you can fly I lived in [TS]

00:39:10   Washington DC for a while and saw them [TS]

00:39:12   pouring out of places it's just like [TS]

00:39:15   this sorry now you can dance you get [TS]

00:39:18   ants and you get spiders that's your [TS]

00:39:20   that's your too big critters right ants [TS]

00:39:22   and spiders are big critters we get like [TS]

00:39:25   little thing we could like weird potato [TS]

00:39:27   bugs and stink bugs and stuff but [TS]

00:39:29   they're not they don't cause anybody [TS]

00:39:31   problems we get mods this Banette like [TS]

00:39:34   bananas moms [TS]

00:39:39   just getting a little bit of commentary [TS]

00:39:42   kids feedback little side commentary [TS]

00:39:45   here um uh yeah just little like they're [TS]

00:39:50   gentler a lot of bugs in the ground that [TS]

00:39:52   are busy like churning there we have a [TS]

00:39:55   lot of churning bugs turning turning the [TS]

00:39:58   the earth into that deep black earth [TS]

00:40:02   that we like to that we formerly farmed [TS]

00:40:04   and now build distribution centers on [TS]

00:40:06   black diamond black diamond Washington [TS]

00:40:09   oh so I was driving on this road I [TS]

00:40:12   finally got up onto this Ridge and I was [TS]

00:40:15   like I'm gonna conquer this Ridge I have [TS]

00:40:17   no idea what this is up here I've never [TS]

00:40:19   heard it referenced by anybody there's [TS]

00:40:21   only one person I know in the entire I [TS]

00:40:23   think the entire world that even has a [TS]

00:40:26   chance of having really explored up here [TS]

00:40:29   and that's my friend Chad who has been [TS]

00:40:32   on every Road in in I don't know from [TS]

00:40:34   Canada to Mexico but even he has never [TS]

00:40:37   referenced it and it's just this giant [TS]

00:40:41   this giant bridge that goes I mean for [TS]

00:40:44   seriously from puyallup to tukwila if [TS]

00:40:47   you will really two of the two of the [TS]

00:40:50   hardest to pronounce cities in the area [TS]

00:40:53   I couldn't spell as if I tried puyallup [TS]

00:40:56   in tukwila and this this is like it's a [TS]

00:40:59   giant but basically a mountain that goes [TS]

00:41:01   from bill up to talk well I'd never been [TS]

00:41:03   on so I get up on this thing and I start [TS]

00:41:05   to drive and I realize why I've never [TS]

00:41:07   been on it and no one has is that it is [TS]

00:41:10   it's a it's completely suburban eyes and [TS]

00:41:13   there are no connecting north-south [TS]

00:41:17   roads all the roads are east west and if [TS]

00:41:22   you want to go north south what you do [TS]

00:41:24   is you go two blocks and then you take a [TS]

00:41:26   left and you go left for a block and [TS]

00:41:28   then you go south again for four blocks [TS]

00:41:30   and then you take a right and go three [TS]

00:41:33   more blocks like it's seriously there's [TS]

00:41:35   not a single arterial there's one Road [TS]

00:41:39   called military road that kind of goes [TS]

00:41:41   diagonal but but it's not very effective [TS]

00:41:45   and going like this and so I'm driving [TS]

00:41:48   through this neighborhood and it's this [TS]

00:41:49   weird conglomeration of like [TS]

00:41:51   well there were houses up here back when [TS]

00:41:54   it was farm country and then there were [TS]

00:41:57   some houses built that when it was first [TS]

00:41:59   suburban eyes dan den now they're [TS]

00:42:01   McMansions going in implausibly on [TS]

00:42:05   streets that have otherwise have 60 [TS]

00:42:07   split-level homes and now that are this [TS]

00:42:10   giant McMansion just I could not I could [TS]

00:42:13   not couldn't like find a center to this [TS]

00:42:17   place and I come around the corner and [TS]

00:42:19   there's a playground and at the very [TS]

00:42:22   back of the playground are three [TS]

00:42:24   concrete handball courts huh of the [TS]

00:42:28   style that they that used to be on [TS]

00:42:30   playgrounds everywhere you remember in [TS]

00:42:32   the in the 70s like handball courts I do [TS]

00:42:35   the funny part of my handball is I [TS]

00:42:37   remember handball courts always being [TS]

00:42:38   around and never being used for handball [TS]

00:42:41   you might eventually get used for kind [TS]

00:42:44   of an outside air SATs racquetball yes [TS]

00:42:46   yeah I have never seen a living soul [TS]

00:42:49   play handball on an outdoor handball [TS]

00:42:52   court that wasn't in New York City right [TS]

00:42:54   I figure it was like stickball I figured [TS]

00:42:55   something a couple did couple kids did a [TS]

00:42:57   few times in the 30's and nobody's not a [TS]

00:42:59   sense and and and there really was as [TS]

00:43:02   they were building those giant municipal [TS]

00:43:04   like playgrounds during the era of all [TS]

00:43:08   right what i think of as being the late [TS]

00:43:10   60s early 70s the the the crest of the [TS]

00:43:14   social engineering wave where it's like [TS]

00:43:17   we're going to create outdoor space for [TS]

00:43:19   healthy youth and you know we're gonna [TS]

00:43:22   beat the Soviets to the moon and we're [TS]

00:43:23   gonna yes we're health and sports we're [TS]

00:43:27   going to build big sporty sport areas [TS]

00:43:29   and they put handball courts in and [TS]

00:43:31   maybe on the opening day some people [TS]

00:43:34   played handball and then the rest of the [TS]

00:43:36   time it was just where you went to smoke [TS]

00:43:38   pot right in my [TS]

00:43:40   head I'm gonna say remember the [TS]

00:43:41   kerfuffle in the early 80s when I don't [TS]

00:43:44   even know this is exactly precisely [TS]

00:43:46   right but there were changes odd what [TS]

00:43:48   was that oh there's so many kerfuffles [TS]

00:43:49   uh under the Reagan administration it is [TS]

00:43:53   said that in school lunches catch-up was [TS]

00:43:57   reclassified as a vegetable in order to [TS]

00:44:00   meet a basic requirement of some kind [TS]

00:44:01   that was we did the basic level this is [TS]

00:44:04   awful but it was basically the idea was [TS]

00:44:06   that it was there it was a little bit of [TS]

00:44:07   a hack to like be able to tick a box I [TS]

00:44:10   think that's what handball is you think [TS]

00:44:12   about everything out there including i'm [TS]

00:44:13   going to say basketball what is the [TS]

00:44:15   maybe besides what foursquare and [TS]

00:44:18   hopscotch what is the least what's gonna [TS]

00:44:20   have the least need for maintenance I'm [TS]

00:44:22   gonna say I'm gonna say a right angle [TS]

00:44:25   mm-hmm you know right you know you don't [TS]

00:44:27   know what the way you know it's a budget [TS]

00:44:30   a teacher for it look you don't need to [TS]

00:44:32   replace a net that's right that's right [TS]

00:44:34   there's no net yeah uh there's an [TS]

00:44:38   elementary school over here by my house [TS]

00:44:39   and it's you know old-style late fifties [TS]

00:44:43   elementary school and it has like a lot [TS]

00:44:47   of the elementary schools like the one [TS]

00:44:49   the one that I went to when I was a kid [TS]

00:44:50   it has such an enormous amount of land [TS]

00:44:54   surrounding it there is a full-sized [TS]

00:44:58   olympic-sized soccer field and a [TS]

00:45:04   full-sized baseball diamond associated [TS]

00:45:08   with this what is an elementary school [TS]

00:45:11   right so when's the last time you saw [TS]

00:45:13   elementary kids playing baseball um you [TS]

00:45:17   know that's it's not a thing that people [TS]

00:45:18   do anymore there's only most places you [TS]

00:45:20   have one filled with a track around and [TS]

00:45:22   everything that can be done on the field [TS]

00:45:24   is done there and then you run around [TS]

00:45:25   the track and that's it and that's that [TS]

00:45:27   one the one footprint of athleticism at [TS]

00:45:29   most modern schools I think yeah right a [TS]

00:45:32   track around the field but this is that [TS]

00:45:34   you know in the 50s and land was just [TS]

00:45:37   was cheap huge playground and I go over [TS]

00:45:40   there all the time i used to go there [TS]

00:45:41   when Gibson was alive and taking walk [TS]

00:45:43   him around it's just on my it's on my [TS]

00:45:46   like walk circuit my kid and I go over [TS]

00:45:50   to the playground there sometimes [TS]

00:45:51   and this enormous field is never used by [TS]

00:45:56   anyone like no one's even playing [TS]

00:45:58   frisbee on it Wow somebody comes in [TS]

00:46:01   moe's it but I have never seen I would [TS]

00:46:05   go throw the stick for the dog and every [TS]

00:46:06   once in a while somebody else would be [TS]

00:46:08   walking from one corner of it to the [TS]

00:46:09   other corner of it like there was a kind [TS]

00:46:12   of shortcut through the neighborhood but [TS]

00:46:14   not even enough of a shortcut where a [TS]

00:46:16   trail had been beaten down in the middle [TS]

00:46:20   of the field sure because there's no no [TS]

00:46:23   one actually wants to go from that side [TS]

00:46:25   to the other side there's not there's [TS]

00:46:26   nothing either place and so I would I'd [TS]

00:46:31   be out on this field and I'm just like I [TS]

00:46:32   could be launching model rockets from [TS]

00:46:34   here I could have organized I mean there [TS]

00:46:37   are so many intramural soccer teams [TS]

00:46:40   around the city who are trying to book [TS]

00:46:42   time at one of the five like soccer [TS]

00:46:47   fields that are on their registration or [TS]

00:46:49   card or whatever yeah you could you can [TS]

00:46:52   completely colonize these spaces if you [TS]

00:46:54   wanted to start an RC modeling club or [TS]

00:46:58   wanted to I don't know play Ultimate [TS]

00:47:00   Frisbee I mean they're just fields all [TS]

00:47:02   over town why you think they're not [TS]

00:47:04   getting used I because I think people [TS]

00:47:08   aren't getting outside maybe and also [TS]

00:47:12   like schools don't um I mean I think if [TS]

00:47:17   you tried to organize a baseball team we [TS]

00:47:21   used to have rock and roll softball up [TS]

00:47:23   on Capitol Hill was different bars would [TS]

00:47:25   play each other but I don't know like [TS]

00:47:29   when was the last time you saw a group [TS]

00:47:31   of people just playing a pickup baseball [TS]

00:47:33   game you don't see that a lot there are [TS]

00:47:36   some semi organized adults like so many [TS]

00:47:39   adults some semi organized adults that [TS]

00:47:41   play softball in our parks sometimes our [TS]

00:47:45   Park is mainly used its heavily [TS]

00:47:47   segmented into different areas and used [TS]

00:47:50   for like two or three kids soccer games [TS]

00:47:53   at once when was the last time you saw a [TS]

00:47:57   flag football game oh god probably when [TS]

00:48:00   I was in high school or a movie [TS]

00:48:02   yeah yeah I I played flag football a [TS]

00:48:07   couple of times in college in the late [TS]

00:48:10   80s and I have not seen or heard of [TS]

00:48:12   flight football sense and and and maybe [TS]

00:48:15   it's that we don't live in Montana and [TS]

00:48:17   maybe people maybe like grown-up people [TS]

00:48:19   are playing for but think about those [TS]

00:48:21   pictures of the Kennedy brothers at [TS]

00:48:22   Kennebunkport yeah they weren't in [TS]

00:48:24   Kennebunkport they were at diana's I am [TS]

00:48:28   I am sport right but they're out there [TS]

00:48:30   throwing footballs around in their front [TS]

00:48:32   yard and they were all full grown men [TS]

00:48:34   yeah and I haven't you know I haven't [TS]

00:48:38   even had a football in my hands you [TS]

00:48:39   should write a medium post on this [TS]

00:48:40   because I think there is something to [TS]

00:48:41   this I think I saw a couple articles [TS]

00:48:44   this week that are going around about [TS]

00:48:46   teenagers and how they spend their money [TS]

00:48:48   that was very interesting that amongst [TS]

00:48:51   other things supposed supposedly [TS]

00:48:52   teenagers are spending yeah the [TS]

00:48:55   millenniums they're spending a lot less [TS]

00:48:56   money on things like clothes and more [TS]

00:48:58   money on food and events and when we [TS]

00:49:03   were that age man you poured as much [TS]

00:49:05   money as you could in a closed yeah but [TS]

00:49:08   he's better cared about events and [TS]

00:49:10   they're not you know they're not buying [TS]

00:49:11   handballs let's be honest yeah yeah well [TS]

00:49:14   events events used to take care of [TS]

00:49:15   themselves am i right oh my goodness [TS]

00:49:17   they sure did self-organizing yeah i [TS]

00:49:20   read an interesting thing that said [TS]

00:49:22   millenniums uh millenniums of far from [TS]

00:49:27   being a monolithic demographic [TS]

00:49:29   millenniums much to the much to the [TS]

00:49:34   demographers surprise are much more [TS]

00:49:39   likely to think that the woman should [TS]

00:49:41   stay home and take care of my god this [TS]

00:49:44   they talked about this on double X [TS]

00:49:45   gabfest I was very surprised to hear [TS]

00:49:47   that do you have it give a record on why [TS]

00:49:49   that is uh I think it may be it may just [TS]

00:49:55   be that generations react to the world [TS]

00:49:59   in which they came up you know if you [TS]

00:50:01   think about obviously I'm fond of [TS]

00:50:04   talking about the the boomers and what a [TS]

00:50:07   what an execrable you know like awful [TS]

00:50:11   experience the world has suffered under [TS]

00:50:13   their leadership but when you think [TS]

00:50:16   about the boomers and their and their [TS]

00:50:18   identity their cultural identity as [TS]

00:50:21   understood by everyone when they were [TS]

00:50:23   between the ages of 16 and 26 right we [TS]

00:50:27   all thought that the boomers were [TS]

00:50:29   anti-war music-loving pot-smoking [TS]

00:50:35   free-loving uh like progressive people [TS]

00:50:42   who were tearing down the walls and [TS]

00:50:45   building a building an advanced new [TS]

00:50:47   society and by the time they were in [TS]

00:50:49   their 30s they were Reagan sort of [TS]

00:50:53   Reagan Democrats who were who were [TS]

00:50:56   investing in the stock market and going [TS]

00:50:59   great gangbusters and now the exact same [TS]

00:51:02   generation it makes up the Trump [TS]

00:51:04   universe and it's like the you know the [TS]

00:51:08   boomers are not monolithic and they [TS]

00:51:11   react they react to their time and and i [TS]

00:51:15   think the millenniums are probably tired [TS]

00:51:20   of being called millenniums first of all [TS]

00:51:21   yes and also there's no such thing as [TS]

00:51:25   Bernie Bros we should all we should all [TS]

00:51:27   know others are all bots right yeah well [TS]

00:51:29   are the spots if Hillary invented it [TS]

00:51:32   it's racist basically to use the term oh [TS]

00:51:36   that's that's very offensive to the [TS]

00:51:37   Bernie bros when you call them Bernie [TS]

00:51:38   bros yeah well that's the thing they [TS]

00:51:40   don't exist so take it home culturally [TS]

00:51:42   insensitive John I think so I think it's [TS]

00:51:45   appropriate of em but but so right now I [TS]

00:51:53   think you've got a lot of millenniums [TS]

00:51:55   that were probably raised there probably [TS]

00:51:57   educated in public schools where the [TS]

00:52:00   platform the education platform was [TS]

00:52:03   developed by people who went to college [TS]

00:52:06   in the early 90s and the kids are tired [TS]

00:52:10   of being lectured at and they want a [TS]

00:52:13   return to some kind of traditional thing [TS]

00:52:16   that never actually existed but what [TS]

00:52:19   they imagined did [TS]

00:52:21   well that's true that's true for me too [TS]

00:52:23   no parent I'll parrot what I heard on [TS]

00:52:25   that podcast which is very good podcast [TS]

00:52:27   slates double X gabfest um but what one [TS]

00:52:30   of their what are they reckons that a [TS]

00:52:32   couple angles one is that this is a one [TS]

00:52:34   thing that makes this particular study I [TS]

00:52:35   forget the name in source of it but one [TS]

00:52:37   thing that makes this particular study [TS]

00:52:38   so valuable is that it's been around for [TS]

00:52:41   a very long time and they've asked this [TS]

00:52:43   a particular study the study from which [TS]

00:52:45   we learned how many millenniums uh [TS]

00:52:47   seemed to one stay-at-home wives two men [TS]

00:52:50   ok this is a very long like well I want [TS]

00:52:53   to say longitudinal I don't know if [TS]

00:52:55   that's quite the word but this has been [TS]

00:52:56   going on for a long time like every year [TS]

00:52:57   they asked this something like what 20 [TS]

00:53:00   30 40 years they've been asking these [TS]

00:53:01   same questions to the same age people so [TS]

00:53:04   in some ways it's very effective but in [TS]

00:53:06   other words maybe not so I'm not sure [TS]

00:53:07   exactly how it was worded but it could [TS]

00:53:10   also be a backlash type situation or a [TS]

00:53:12   nut backlash that's a loaded term but [TS]

00:53:14   yeah maybe it's black backlash but it's [TS]

00:53:15   also probably yeah you want stability [TS]

00:53:17   you know when when suddenly you went [TS]

00:53:19   from like everybody you knew had parents [TS]

00:53:21   that were married to everybody knew had [TS]

00:53:22   parents that were divorced you know [TS]

00:53:24   let's seem like that it's just normal no [TS]

00:53:26   just you know what I mean and like maybe [TS]

00:53:27   there's a desire for I don't saying it's [TS]

00:53:29   right but that could be where it comes [TS]

00:53:31   from I wondered you do you did you have [TS]

00:53:36   mostly kids whose parents were still [TS]

00:53:39   married or mostly kids whose parents [TS]

00:53:40   were divorced when you were growing up [TS]

00:53:42   nicely mostly married and I think that [TS]

00:53:45   had something to do with raised [TS]

00:53:48   middle-class status but also that we [TS]

00:53:51   were church people there weren't that [TS]

00:53:53   many divorced people at our church did [TS]

00:53:55   you read that article in the Atlantic [TS]

00:53:57   magazine about the about the fact that [TS]

00:53:59   that people on both sides of the [TS]

00:54:04   political spectrum are going to church [TS]

00:54:05   less and that conservative people who [TS]

00:54:09   actually still go to church tend to be [TS]

00:54:13   more accepting of different races tend [TS]

00:54:16   to be more you know like less [TS]

00:54:19   politically radical and more um seeking [TS]

00:54:24   you know like a kind of saying Christian [TS]

00:54:27   values Christian values right and [TS]

00:54:30   they're saying that what's what what [TS]

00:54:31   people expected [TS]

00:54:33   was that you know the the tendency in [TS]

00:54:36   the past even until recent memory even I [TS]

00:54:40   think now is to mistake radical like [TS]

00:54:46   reactionary conservativism and racism [TS]

00:54:48   and all that stuff to associate that [TS]

00:54:50   with evangelicalism but in fact it's not [TS]

00:54:55   true as and so that so when we would [TS]

00:54:58   read statistics about like people [TS]

00:55:00   becoming secularized fewer and fewer [TS]

00:55:02   people going to church we always made [TS]

00:55:05   the mistake of thinking that that was [TS]

00:55:06   going to produce a more like a like a [TS]

00:55:10   more progressive society because we we [TS]

00:55:14   naively thought that leaving the church [TS]

00:55:16   meant that you left it because you were [TS]

00:55:19   what becoming more evolved but in fact [TS]

00:55:23   people are leaving the church and just [TS]

00:55:26   descending into a like a like a miasma [TS]

00:55:31   of their worst impulses and the people [TS]

00:55:35   that go to like they sow 75% of Trump [TS]

00:55:41   voters considered themselves Christian [TS]

00:55:43   but did not go to church and that this [TS]

00:55:48   then I think a very very large [TS]

00:55:50   proportion of people that did go to [TS]

00:55:52   church vote for Ted Cruz and and and you [TS]

00:55:56   know Trump they can they held their nose [TS]

00:55:58   this is is an article called breaking [TS]

00:55:59   faith yeah okay and then likewise on the [TS]

00:56:03   left right the churchgoers all voted for [TS]

00:56:05   Hillary and the non churchgoers people [TS]

00:56:08   that didn't go to church overwhelmingly [TS]

00:56:10   voted for Bernie especially to the [TS]

00:56:13   church yeah and yeah and you head to the [TS]

00:56:15   outside is what happens you get more [TS]

00:56:17   extreme than less it just also depends [TS]

00:56:20   on how you want to slice the cake you [TS]

00:56:22   know I mean or it's almost it is a kind [TS]

00:56:24   of political political gerrymandering I [TS]

00:56:29   guess that sounds really obvious but it [TS]

00:56:31   depends on how you choose to like cut up [TS]

00:56:33   these sections and you know what pieces [TS]

00:56:35   how far until it basically becomes like [TS]

00:56:37   some kind of crazy fractal because well [TS]

00:56:38   sure a lot of people who go to church [TS]

00:56:40   voted for Hillary Clinton cuz a lot of [TS]

00:56:41   black people vote of raillery Clinton [TS]

00:56:43   and a lot of I think still you know [TS]

00:56:45   amongst Democrat [TS]

00:56:47   to go to church I bet there's a pretty [TS]

00:56:49   good chance a lot of them we're going to [TS]

00:56:50   vote for Hillary Clinton a lot of them [TS]

00:56:51   maybe you're in unions am I being too [TS]

00:56:53   broad here I mean that kind of support [TS]

00:56:55   seems pretty straightforward the [TS]

00:56:57   Republican candidate support is a much [TS]

00:57:00   more complicated thing and I that the [TS]

00:57:03   idea that these are people who consider [TS]

00:57:05   themselves Christians with don't go to [TS]

00:57:06   church that does not surprise me a bit [TS]

00:57:08   mmhmm yeah well it's the old like [TS]

00:57:11   traditional values thing of like what [TS]

00:57:14   what tradition what tradition exactly [TS]

00:57:17   what traditional values yeah right but [TS]

00:57:20   no I do feel like the the idea the idea [TS]

00:57:24   that the church was the source of [TS]

00:57:28   intolerance was a very popular such a [TS]

00:57:33   sampling error total sampling error I [TS]

00:57:35   mean it's it's the loudest the loudest [TS]

00:57:37   loudmouths are those people and like [TS]

00:57:39   it's it's big it's a constant annoyance [TS]

00:57:41   of mind it's not popular in my [TS]

00:57:43   particular community to have any [TS]

00:57:44   tolerance not for religious or spiritual [TS]

00:57:47   thinking mostly but like I it's very [TS]

00:57:50   frustrating to me that everybody who's [TS]

00:57:52   spiritual or religious or deist in any [TS]

00:57:55   way is is not I might be doing my own [TS]

00:57:58   strong man here but I feel like there is [TS]

00:58:00   very much like a bozo a bit thing where [TS]

00:58:02   people just write that whole group off [TS]

00:58:03   as a bunch of nut sounds like ah it's so [TS]

00:58:05   unfortunate because so many of the best [TS]

00:58:08   people I know and have known my whole [TS]

00:58:09   life are very faithful service oriented [TS]

00:58:14   humans it's it's a really it's a pity [TS]

00:58:17   that they get tarred with that same [TS]

00:58:20   brush well and I just wonder what I [TS]

00:58:24   wonder if they're like the idea that [TS]

00:58:28   that secularism was the goal that we [TS]

00:58:36   were that we were aspiring to a world [TS]

00:58:40   dominated by reason and that reason [TS]

00:58:43   would produce the reason inevitably [TS]

00:58:47   produced altruistic action you know that [TS]

00:58:52   whole question that you that you hear a [TS]

00:58:54   lot in in debates on 4chan [TS]

00:58:57   which is if there's no God then why be [TS]

00:59:00   good you know and i think that i think [TS]

00:59:03   that uh secular people always assumed [TS]

00:59:07   that you know that they that that a [TS]

00:59:11   world of reason produces people who [TS]

00:59:14   behave if not if not like well i guess [TS]

00:59:22   this is the problem right if if you [TS]

00:59:24   believe in a vengeful god or in ultimate [TS]

00:59:28   like a an afterlife your justification [TS]

00:59:32   for being good is self-evident if you [TS]

00:59:34   believe in a sort of a rational [TS]

00:59:36   scientific base life also your desire to [TS]

00:59:40   be good or your rationale for being good [TS]

00:59:43   is self-evident but but much more [TS]

00:59:47   difficult to describe in a sentence [TS]

00:59:50   right i mean and it isn't just like [TS]

00:59:52   selecting for the best possible outcome [TS]

00:59:55   it kind of goes hand in hand with being [TS]

00:59:55   it kind of goes hand in hand with being [TS]

01:00:00   educated and understanding collectivism [TS]

01:00:02   and sort of etcetera etc but how what a [TS]

01:00:07   surprise that we would be in at a [TS]

01:00:10   juncture now so soon after that so soon [TS]

01:00:16   so soon after I mean I was educated to [TS]

01:00:18   believe that and within my own [TS]

01:00:19   generation to be in a position where I'm [TS]

01:00:22   like longing for the days that most [TS]

01:00:26   Americans went to church and had and had [TS]

01:00:29   a weekly reminder to be good to each [TS]

01:00:31   other a weekly reminder that because [TS]

01:00:34   what they were saying is that people in [TS]

01:00:37   church are less likely to be racist [TS]

01:00:39   because they understand that we're all [TS]

01:00:42   brothers in Christ oh yeah right there's [TS]

01:00:46   much more likely to see that logic [TS]

01:00:48   weekly reminder to be kind and weekly [TS]

01:00:51   reminded up to be grateful weekly [TS]

01:00:53   reminder to sing weekly reminder to put [TS]

01:00:55   on a suit I mean there's a little a lot [TS]

01:00:56   of a lot of good secondary effects uh [TS]

01:01:00   you just broke down some serious science [TS]

01:01:02   on me right there but then a weekly a [TS]

01:01:04   weekly reminder to put on a suit a [TS]

01:01:07   weekly reminder to sing yeah a weekly [TS]

01:01:10   reminder to gather together in a fucking [TS]

01:01:13   Hut somewhere yeah a big house into the [TS]

01:01:16   big house and when that's when that's [TS]

01:01:19   missing sure why don't we all just [TS]

01:01:22   become as you know like as gross and [TS]

01:01:25   grubby as we can there's no we don't all [TS]

01:01:28   have to stand on the steps shake the [TS]

01:01:32   minister's hand and say loved your [TS]

01:01:35   sermon this week or have him say haven't [TS]

01:01:38   seen you in a couple of weeks like wow [TS]

01:01:41   how is that replaceable Merlin well it's [TS]

01:01:46   it's definitely an interesting thing in [TS]

01:01:48   San Francisco where I don't know if [TS]

01:01:50   you're aware there are a lot of people [TS]

01:01:52   of different sexualities gender [TS]

01:01:55   assignments you name it and like there's [TS]

01:01:57   like not too far from where I live [TS]

01:01:59   there's this big giant purple lesbian [TS]

01:02:01   church like it's just a big old church [TS]

01:02:03   where everybody's welcome but you're [TS]

01:02:04   especially welcome if you're a lady who [TS]

01:02:06   likes ladies and they're very vocal and [TS]

01:02:08   they're very religious but they're also [TS]

01:02:09   very lesbian and like that's [TS]

01:02:11   there we are fortunate to have a lot of [TS]

01:02:15   places even still I don't wanna get into [TS]

01:02:19   San Francisco but but the people worship [TS]

01:02:21   but do they worship but Jesus based [TS]

01:02:23   religion where is it more of a like a [TS]

01:02:25   yoni based no well I don't you know I [TS]

01:02:28   don't think so i must like just see it [TS]

01:02:29   on the way to the grocery store [TS]

01:02:30   sometimes but you know there's a fair [TS]

01:02:31   amount of that in our neighborhood there [TS]

01:02:33   are a lot as you can probably guess for [TS]

01:02:35   some reason there seems to be a lot of [TS]

01:02:37   attraction amongst I didn't let's put it [TS]

01:02:40   this way there's enough Chinese people [TS]

01:02:41   who are Baptists to have several [TS]

01:02:43   churches there's there's a fair amount [TS]

01:02:45   of Protestant like just down the street [TS]

01:02:47   like really two blocks from here there's [TS]

01:02:49   a mostly Chinese attended Christian [TS]

01:02:52   Church there's like a fair amount of [TS]

01:02:54   them around they're not huge some of the [TS]

01:02:57   mushroom that my next-door neighbors are [TS]

01:02:59   Vietnamese Catholics and they have very [TS]

01:03:01   strange ceremonies in the yard sometimes [TS]

01:03:03   oh yeah no that's not the people who [TS]

01:03:05   sing is it is that the carrier you know [TS]

01:03:08   that's the people those are the people [TS]

01:03:10   across the way who are a very i'm not [TS]

01:03:14   sure what their religion is in its and [TS]

01:03:16   it gives me it gives me pause struggling [TS]

01:03:20   well you know this is I I don't want to [TS]

01:03:22   secularize this too much but you know [TS]

01:03:25   first of all yeah you know there's lots [TS]

01:03:26   of ways that you could end up having the [TS]

01:03:28   equivalent of church once a week for [TS]

01:03:29   some people maybe that's going to AAA or [TS]

01:03:31   for other people maybe the small number [TS]

01:03:33   people who still bowl or whatever it is [TS]

01:03:34   but the community aspect of that I i [TS]

01:03:37   sorely miss the community aspect of [TS]

01:03:39   going to church um it was really really [TS]

01:03:43   just the best to be a little kid where [TS]

01:03:45   there were just endless events and just [TS]

01:03:47   super nice people and eating together [TS]

01:03:49   and that was just it was it was almost I [TS]

01:03:52   don't know I mean like you wanted to go [TS]

01:03:54   it was it was of course you know he [TS]

01:03:56   didn't want to get dressed on a Sunday [TS]

01:03:58   morning it was kind of a pain but like [TS]

01:03:59   it was a part of what we did but with [TS]

01:04:02   that said I mean this is another nice [TS]

01:04:03   thing about I San Francisco maybe this [TS]

01:04:05   goes on a Capitol Hill but like when a [TS]

01:04:07   lot of gay people start to come in here [TS]

01:04:09   or we're out gay people starting really [TS]

01:04:12   in the 60s and 70s when everybody moved [TS]

01:04:14   over the hill to get away from the [TS]

01:04:16   heroin to what was then called Eureka [TS]

01:04:17   Valley that became almost like people [TS]

01:04:19   started forming their own families right [TS]

01:04:22   they there's that idea of like you can [TS]

01:04:24   generate your own [TS]

01:04:25   unity you are not stuck you don't have [TS]

01:04:27   to always be stuck with a community [TS]

01:04:28   somewhere you will find people that you [TS]

01:04:30   can call family and somewhere you will [TS]

01:04:32   find a building that might as well be a [TS]

01:04:34   church zoms but I you know the thing is [TS]

01:04:36   I feel like we're going to get a lot of [TS]

01:04:38   letters from people that are like try [TS]

01:04:39   Unitarianism have you ever been to the [TS]

01:04:41   have you ever been to the theosophist [TS]

01:04:44   society or whatever yeah and I and I [TS]

01:04:46   think what's interesting about the the [TS]

01:04:49   church as the other role of the church [TS]

01:04:52   is that it wasn't optional you know [TS]

01:04:55   we're I think there are a lot of there [TS]

01:04:58   are a lot of opportunities for people [TS]

01:05:00   that are that they'll feel like they [TS]

01:05:04   want that in their lives to find a find [TS]

01:05:07   a thing that suits them right whether [TS]

01:05:09   it's a big purple church or whether it's [TS]

01:05:10   Zoroastrianism or whether it's a or [TS]

01:05:15   whatever but what was so important about [TS]

01:05:19   the old church was that there was all [TS]

01:05:22   that social pressure which we now [TS]

01:05:24   consider to be you know we are now [TS]

01:05:29   liberated from right no there's no [TS]

01:05:31   longer cultural expectation that you can [TS]

01:05:33   answer the question what religion are [TS]

01:05:34   you yeah or that you be expected to do [TS]

01:05:37   anything I mean I still read articles [TS]

01:05:39   all the time and I read a lot of ads for [TS]

01:05:43   like the untucked shirt company or [TS]

01:05:47   whatever that still make it seem like oh [TS]

01:05:50   the day that we could wear our fleece [TS]

01:05:52   pajamas to work was a day of liberation [TS]

01:05:54   for us all like the great the Great [TS]

01:05:57   unwell I've read some articles or some [TS]

01:05:59   interview with Richard Branson where he [TS]

01:06:01   was like I never wear a tie that's a [TS]

01:06:05   power move that's a total power move [TS]

01:06:06   yeah it is and it's also it's still [TS]

01:06:09   business like that it's operators that [TS]

01:06:10   is a totally forgive my saying that is a [TS]

01:06:12   totally privilege Power Move to say that [TS]

01:06:14   and then act like everybody else is [TS]

01:06:15   allowed to do that well and that's but [TS]

01:06:17   that's his brand right but but the idea [TS]

01:06:20   and I said I still hear it all the time [TS]

01:06:21   I hear it from people whenever I say [TS]

01:06:23   please don't wear flip-flops on an [TS]

01:06:25   airplane i get twenty-five miles really [TS]

01:06:28   like why are you trying to intrude on my [TS]

01:06:30   comfort or something the and the idea [TS]

01:06:33   that we don't that all of these uh all [TS]

01:06:35   these things that we've eliminated all [TS]

01:06:37   the [TS]

01:06:38   social strictures mores what we what we [TS]

01:06:43   once called polite society that that was [TS]

01:06:45   all you know the the that now we can [TS]

01:06:50   dismiss like with a broad brush as again [TS]

01:06:56   you know you pick your intersectional [TS]

01:06:58   word and apply it here but in fact like [TS]

01:07:01   everybody in a town wit was expected to [TS]

01:07:04   go to church not by any higher authority [TS]

01:07:06   but just by their neighbors by the [TS]

01:07:07   general sense of of the way that those [TS]

01:07:11   towns were collectively organized and so [TS]

01:07:13   you didn't go you didn't pick your [TS]

01:07:15   church due to affinity you didn't say [TS]

01:07:17   like I'm gonna go to this church because [TS]

01:07:19   they because it seems fun or because i [TS]

01:07:22   feel like i need companionship or i need [TS]

01:07:25   a little bit of structure in my week you [TS]

01:07:28   know you went to church because you were [TS]

01:07:29   expected to go to church on Sunday and [TS]

01:07:30   you dressed in a suit because you were [TS]

01:07:31   expected show up correct and sound it's [TS]

01:07:35   like wanting to waiting for the right [TS]

01:07:36   DMV like well no God just got that eyes [TS]

01:07:41   you're don't overthink it just getting [TS]

01:07:43   up different there's a new zmv that [TS]

01:07:46   really caters to people that are just [TS]

01:07:47   like me except there I sit in that DMV [TS]

01:07:51   and that just playing music I really [TS]

01:07:53   relate to and somehow the idea that to [TS]

01:07:57   be released from any and all expectation [TS]

01:08:01   that you that's externally imposed so [TS]

01:08:07   that we can all be completely self [TS]

01:08:10   determining we pursue this idea for the [TS]

01:08:14   second half of the 20th century it [TS]

01:08:16   didn't even exist in the first half or [TS]

01:08:20   at any time prior but the idea now that [TS]

01:08:23   we should each of us or that the highest [TS]

01:08:26   stood for each of us is that we all find [TS]

01:08:29   exactly what we personally want we all [TS]

01:08:31   tailor our our RSS feed to be the news [TS]

01:08:35   that that appeals to us most and we each [TS]

01:08:38   have our own playlists and that that is [TS]

01:08:41   some kind of that that's the freedom [TS]

01:08:44   we've all been looking for and it's just [TS]

01:08:47   producing a like more [TS]

01:08:50   more fury at one another and more less [TS]

01:08:55   understanding less love basically yeah [TS]

01:08:58   and not more is I mean it's a shock I [TS]

01:09:02   think to us all and a shock even to me [TS]

01:09:04   it's a shock to the whole notion of like [TS]

01:09:07   that if you have universal education and [TS]

01:09:11   you have and you have freedom to make [TS]

01:09:18   art like what what that will produce is [TS]

01:09:22   this enlightened society and what it has [TS]

01:09:24   produced is is the opposite I mean and [TS]

01:09:30   what point do we stop and take stock and [TS]

01:09:32   say we I mean you know none of us want [TS]

01:09:36   one structure imposed upon us well it [TS]

01:09:40   did to me it's part of what makes the [TS]

01:09:42   idea of a personal DMV so funny is like [TS]

01:09:44   that's not what the DMV is for is [TS]

01:09:46   particularly not that it's an economies [TS]

01:09:47   of scale issue and it's this an [TS]

01:09:49   imperfect analogy but one note I've got [TS]

01:09:52   at least a couple times when this topic [TS]

01:09:53   is come up here or elsewhere is nice a [TS]

01:09:55   friendly note from a often church-going [TS]

01:09:58   life life life long church-going person [TS]

01:10:01   saying you know this isn't really that [TS]

01:10:03   complicated like while instead of like [TS]

01:10:05   sitting here and making continuous [TS]

01:10:07   continued a list of like what your [TS]

01:10:08   perfect church needs to be why don't you [TS]

01:10:10   just try going to a different church [TS]

01:10:11   like one just even if you're not a [TS]

01:10:13   church-going person just try going to a [TS]

01:10:15   church in your neighborhood like find a [TS]

01:10:16   church near your house that you can walk [TS]

01:10:18   to even if possible but whatever just go [TS]

01:10:20   just go and check it out and when I hear [TS]

01:10:22   that from people i always think that [TS]

01:10:23   this is such an interesting idea but it [TS]

01:10:25   also reminds me a little bit of a [TS]

01:10:27   running bit on back to work we're Dan [TS]

01:10:28   and I talked about you know in my case [TS]

01:10:30   like how I've thought and read way more [TS]

01:10:32   about meditation than I've ever actually [TS]

01:10:34   meditated and I think that's a very [TS]

01:10:36   similar phenomenon when like the last [TS]

01:10:38   thing you want to do as somebody who's [TS]

01:10:40   interested in meditation last thing you [TS]

01:10:41   wanna do is read about it you sit down [TS]

01:10:42   and do it and in this case you know i [TS]

01:10:45   i'm not at advocating for this but i [TS]

01:10:48   think it's an interesting idea to say [TS]

01:10:49   well if you've got a temple near your [TS]

01:10:52   house I but they'd let you come right in [TS]

01:10:53   there you might have to learn over today [TS]

01:10:54   we have to put some shoes on but like [TS]

01:10:57   maybe you go to the Chinese Baptist [TS]

01:10:58   Church like whatever like there's no [TS]

01:11:00   church that is going to say you're not [TS]

01:11:01   allowed here that would be very [TS]

01:11:04   be not no church that'd be very very [TS]

01:11:05   anti church it's not a very childlike [TS]

01:11:08   unless it was like one of those white [TS]

01:11:09   homeland churches I would go there I'll [TS]

01:11:12   try that I bet you got good mac and [TS]

01:11:15   cheese one of the things I think that [TS]

01:11:17   happens and and and and some of our [TS]

01:11:19   listeners may have experienced this when [TS]

01:11:21   you first go into alcoholics anonymous [TS]

01:11:24   or some kind of like recovery program [TS]

01:11:27   that's based on on that notion and I'm [TS]

01:11:31   not saying that our listeners [TS]

01:11:32   necessarily have done this themselves [TS]

01:11:33   but maybe you've experienced this when [TS]

01:11:35   someone you knew went into that kind of [TS]

01:11:39   world is that after you're there for a [TS]

01:11:42   little while and it really starts to [TS]

01:11:43   take and you feel this euphoria of of [TS]

01:11:48   like enlightenment for lack of a better [TS]

01:11:52   term there's a period where you really [TS]

01:11:56   you know you become very evangelical and [TS]

01:11:59   it it's and you wish I remember doing [TS]

01:12:05   this myself you wish that everyone in [TS]

01:12:08   the world would have had such an awful [TS]

01:12:14   problem as being an addict so that they [TS]

01:12:19   were forced to come to this place this [TS]

01:12:24   place of understanding because you know [TS]

01:12:27   what you're describing what the [TS]

01:12:28   religious people are saying like go to a [TS]

01:12:30   church in your neighborhood it requires [TS]

01:12:32   again some affinity some seeking for the [TS]

01:12:37   for that experience right i mean if [TS]

01:12:39   you're looking for a church it's not [TS]

01:12:41   hard to find one if you're looking for [TS]

01:12:42   something to do on sunday morning it's [TS]

01:12:44   not hard to figure out what to do you [TS]

01:12:46   just go you know go in your neighborhood [TS]

01:12:48   but what's what's fascinating about AAA [TS]

01:12:53   is that e that's not what you're looking [TS]

01:12:55   for right you are I mean what what the [TS]

01:12:59   reason you end up in those places is not [TS]

01:13:01   that you were looking for a gathering of [TS]

01:13:03   like-minded Souls you were trying to get [TS]

01:13:06   high and you did it until your life came [TS]

01:13:08   apart [TS]

01:13:08   oh I never thought about it that way [TS]

01:13:10   it's you know Buddhism there's this idea [TS]

01:13:12   of eventually having less of a sense of [TS]

01:13:14   self and in some ways you don't you [TS]

01:13:16   don't necessarily end up going to AAA [TS]

01:13:18   because you want to make it all about [TS]

01:13:20   you it ends up being useful because you [TS]

01:13:21   realize you're part of something bigger [TS]

01:13:23   right yeah and and you are not there by [TS]

01:13:27   choice no one goes to AAA by choice you [TS]

01:13:33   are forced there and if you go there if [TS]

01:13:37   you I mean generally if you go there by [TS]

01:13:39   choice in the sense of like you know [TS]

01:13:40   what I'm gonna be an AAA / yeah it's not [TS]

01:13:43   gonna work or I mean or you're not [TS]

01:13:45   alcoholic or something you know like and [TS]

01:13:47   people that are forced to go there by [TS]

01:13:49   the courts it doesn't work there it [TS]

01:13:51   doesn't work that way right right right [TS]

01:13:52   right you are forced to go there by [TS]

01:13:55   making somebody go to the gym yeah it [TS]

01:13:58   doesn't work right but if you are so I [TS]

01:14:01   mean what works is like you just had a [TS]

01:14:03   heart attack and your doctor said if you [TS]

01:14:06   don't get in shape you're gonna die in a [TS]

01:14:07   year right sure sure um and so what what [TS]

01:14:10   when you go to when you want it works [TS]

01:14:13   it's not that you got there and you met [TS]

01:14:16   a lot of people in there they're your [TS]

01:14:17   new best friends like I mean when I went [TS]

01:14:20   to a and I think this is kind of [TS]

01:14:23   universal you look around and you're [TS]

01:14:25   like oh my god these are the worst [TS]

01:14:26   people in the world literally the word [TS]

01:14:28   the last thing I ever wanted to do was [TS]

01:14:30   be stuck in a room with alcoholics but [TS]

01:14:34   you're there because you have to be and [TS]

01:14:36   that's when the religion aspect of it or [TS]

01:14:41   you know that's when the meaning what's [TS]

01:14:43   meaningful about it becomes super duper [TS]

01:14:46   profound and you and there's a moment [TS]

01:14:51   and there was for me certainly when I [TS]

01:14:53   was about six months sober that I said [TS]

01:14:55   god I wish everybody could have could [TS]

01:14:57   have fallen as far as I fell because the [TS]

01:15:01   only way you could feel the way I do now [TS]

01:15:03   and have this sort of insight is to have [TS]

01:15:07   gotten to that place to have been to [TS]

01:15:10   have bottom and and now like to sort of [TS]

01:15:15   see that we could all be that we're all [TS]

01:15:18   perfect children of God [TS]

01:15:21   and we just need to do the work and and [TS]

01:15:26   that is what's that was what was so [TS]

01:15:30   profound about frontier religion or or [TS]

01:15:34   religion I guess that you would call [TS]

01:15:36   primary religion which is that it's not [TS]

01:15:39   happy fuzzy it's not there because it [TS]

01:15:43   wants you not there to make you feel [TS]

01:15:45   better no it's not about you at all it's [TS]

01:15:47   not there to say like hey what are you [TS]

01:15:50   doing this sunday come have some food [TS]

01:15:52   it's like did your did like seven of [TS]

01:15:55   your 11 children died um well on Sunday [TS]

01:16:01   you know like you can sit quietly in [TS]

01:16:03   this pew while somebody talks and then [TS]

01:16:06   feel briefly relieved but but at that [TS]

01:16:08   time I mean in that time at that time in [TS]

01:16:10   that community those kinds of [TS]

01:16:12   communities were being very general here [TS]

01:16:13   but like there was I would have to guess [TS]

01:16:15   much more of a cultural imperative to be [TS]

01:16:23   a church-going person for a variety of [TS]

01:16:25   reasons not least of which is people [TS]

01:16:26   probably going to come to your shop if [TS]

01:16:27   they think you're not a Lutheran right [TS]

01:16:29   there's that but there's also like you [TS]

01:16:31   know what you really you need to know [TS]

01:16:32   the gossip you need to know who's in and [TS]

01:16:34   out and but you also need to know for [TS]

01:16:37   the frontier stuff you need to know like [TS]

01:16:38   the news and the rules like if you're [TS]

01:16:41   not going to church you could be seen as [TS]

01:16:44   what kind of revolutionary like you you [TS]

01:16:46   need to be here like knowing what's what [TS]

01:16:48   one thing yeah exactly and think of all [TS]

01:16:51   the think of all the cannibals down [TS]

01:16:54   there who never actually ate anybody [TS]

01:16:58   because when they were inspired to yeah [TS]

01:17:02   uh they remembered whatever passage it [TS]

01:17:07   is in the Bible that says thou shalt not [TS]

01:17:09   eat anybody okay but right didn't see [TS]

01:17:12   that coming yeah sure and sure and [TS]

01:17:15   nobody knows those passages anymore and [TS]

01:17:17   cannibalism is rampant in today sis my [TS]

01:17:19   daughter's reading a comic book about [TS]

01:17:21   the Donner Party right now very funny [TS]

01:17:24   it's a very funny story [TS]

01:17:26   um sorry I need to take off your very [TS]

01:17:34   serious talk but you know guys seriously [TS]

01:17:38   whether or not you consider yourself a [TS]

01:17:40   religious or secular you guys don't [TS]

01:17:42   people come on seriously listen real [TS]

01:17:45   talk I can't quote exactly in the Bible [TS]

01:17:48   where it says don't know you know it's [TS]

01:17:50   gonna be the Old Testament you know it's [TS]

01:17:51   gonna be like a Leviticus or in numbers [TS]

01:17:54   or a Deuteronomy that is a law that's a [TS]

01:17:56   long-standing problem you know there's a [TS]

01:17:59   lot there's a lot of duplication in [TS]

01:18:01   those books it's all it's very confusing [TS]

01:18:03   it's like The Silmarillion or maybe the [TS]

01:18:06   Similan is like it to part on a happy [TS]

01:18:11   note please go look in your skype robot [TS]

01:18:13   dingus or I could text it to you did you [TS]

01:18:15   see what I said to you uh it was a thing [TS]

01:18:18   was it a amazon gift card no I wanted to [TS]

01:18:22   say I'm not interested well okay here's [TS]

01:18:25   the thing if you have if you have a [TS]

01:18:27   field anywhere and you're wondering how [TS]

01:18:30   to use it I just text it to you as well [TS]

01:18:32   I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna say how to [TS]

01:18:34   use a field according to me and my [TS]

01:18:35   daughter of an empty field the an empty [TS]

01:18:38   field so you know maybe you're not gonna [TS]

01:18:39   play handball you know maybe there's not [TS]

01:18:41   gonna be organized sports your Bowling [TS]

01:18:42   Alone what's the matter with Kansas [TS]

01:18:44   turns out all of these kinds of modern [TS]

01:18:46   things here's what I'm here to tell you [TS]

01:18:47   if you were to round out if you took [TS]

01:18:49   every toy my child us have a lot of toys [TS]

01:18:52   if you took all of her toys and I had to [TS]

01:18:55   just say out of all of them which one [TS]

01:18:57   have I personally enjoyed the most to [TS]

01:18:59   the point where now is really more my [TS]

01:19:00   toy than her toy I want to introduce you [TS]

01:19:05   to the zing sky rippers the sky rippers [TS]

01:19:10   it's a little bit a little plastic [TS]

01:19:12   handle with a rubber very sturdy rubber [TS]

01:19:16   to be rubber band on the end you grasp [TS]

01:19:19   it in your hand and then reviews the [TS]

01:19:21   number been using this very aerodynamic [TS]

01:19:24   super light rocket with a whistle in it [TS]

01:19:27   you hook it onto that rubber band and [TS]

01:19:30   you shoot it most I like generally get [TS]

01:19:34   pretty close to 80 90 yards you're [TS]

01:19:36   kidding me it's a physical [TS]

01:19:39   the best whistle and I'm putting here [TS]

01:19:43   the triple pack you don't you could get [TS]

01:19:45   the single pack we have to triple packs [TS]

01:19:47   so we can do multiple flights without [TS]

01:19:48   having to go collect them this thing is [TS]

01:19:50   so freaking fun if you get the wind [TS]

01:19:53   behind you and you rip your sky Ripper [TS]

01:19:55   you're going to be a happy guy you're [TS]

01:19:56   gonna be glad that feels empty it's [TS]

01:19:58   gonna really go brother so what happens [TS]

01:20:00   when you do this it's actually described [TS]

01:20:02   it's called ripping you don't you don't [TS]

01:20:03   fly it you rip you rip a sky Ripper well [TS]

01:20:06   I'm not in a club or anything I don't [TS]

01:20:07   have a vest but like with us it's just a [TS]

01:20:10   fun thing we got on i might have been a [TS]

01:20:11   stocking stuffer we got for her and it [TS]

01:20:13   was so much fun that we have over the [TS]

01:20:15   years of course you eventually lose them [TS]

01:20:16   or they break but I'm just saying I know [TS]

01:20:18   you're a person who has enjoyed rockets [TS]

01:20:20   and shooting things and fields this [TS]

01:20:22   could be this could be right in your [TS]

01:20:24   wheelhouse sky Ripper I'm gonna go rip a [TS]

01:20:28   sky Ripper I'm gonna come and start [TS]

01:20:30   ripping sky rivers right now do you do [TS]

01:20:32   you think that I mean how many times do [TS]

01:20:34   I have to do it before we do get vests [TS]

01:20:36   oh now this is a church I can get behind [TS]

01:20:40   right now yes yes the sky rippers you [TS]

01:20:44   got a potluck meals there's community [TS]

01:20:46   service maybe we have songs but mainly [TS]

01:20:49   we were a suit into a field and you [TS]

01:20:51   shoot rockets likes this picture of this [TS]

01:20:54   kid that's shooting the sky Ripper he's [TS]

01:20:56   got his baseball is mesh baseball cap on [TS]

01:20:58   backward is pretty dope and I love that [TS]

01:21:01   look like vests yeah besh caps on [TS]

01:21:05   backwards obviously ties and suit pants [TS]

01:21:09   sure like a gentleman but you know you [TS]

01:21:11   develop your own personal style and just [TS]

01:21:13   like you'll develop your own personal or [TS]

01:21:14   personal stuff for how to shoot your [TS]

01:21:16   Ripper I like to shoot mine of course at [TS]

01:21:18   a 45-degree angle and I give it just a [TS]

01:21:21   little bit of whip to the to the wrist [TS]

01:21:23   as I let it go and it is deeply deeply [TS]

01:21:27   satisfying we've done we gone to the [TS]

01:21:28   field at the school near our house and I [TS]

01:21:30   can typically pretty easily get 70 yards [TS]

01:21:33   which is you know not too not too shabby [TS]

01:21:36   no no that's not that's not shabby it's [TS]

01:21:39   very it's a very very satisfying thing [TS]

01:21:41   to shoot a rocket down a football field [TS]

01:21:43   okay well I have a I have a very big [TS]

01:21:46   field available right over here and I'm [TS]

01:21:48   gonna get a sky Ripper and I'm gonna rip [TS]

01:21:51   some [TS]

01:21:52   this is Don Rickles oh my god I miss him [TS]

01:22:00   I I spent you know what we used to [TS]

01:22:02   listen to Rickles in the in the van when [TS]

01:22:04   we were on tour Diaz live 68 live album [TS]

01:22:07   the hello done yeah we I mean every [TS]

01:22:09   every every live Rickles we could get in [TS]

01:22:12   fact there was a there was a time when I [TS]

01:22:14   had a little gaggle of gal pals and and [TS]

01:22:19   they were a bunch of they were they [TS]

01:22:21   worship talkers these gal pals different [TS]

01:22:24   from the flag girls these were very [TS]

01:22:26   different although oh one of the gal [TS]

01:22:29   pals was a former fly girl interesting [TS]

01:22:32   backgrounds but this gallus group of gal [TS]

01:22:38   pals uh I used to call the Rickles ha's [TS]

01:22:41   oh because they were so they were such [TS]

01:22:44   they were such potty mouths and so then [TS]

01:22:48   they played the Dozen so hard that I was [TS]

01:22:50   like you guys are a bunch of Rickles is [TS]

01:22:51   and then they adopted the Rickles azaz [TS]

01:22:54   there as their little like gang gang tag [TS]

01:22:57   for a while but you know I obviously [TS]

01:23:02   he's a character from a from a time [TS]

01:23:05   before but the other night I SAT and [TS]

01:23:08   watched Don Rickles on Johnny Carson [TS]

01:23:11   it's all I've been doing for 30 days [TS]

01:23:12   there are saying sir I had no idea there [TS]

01:23:15   was so much Johnny Carson Tonight Show [TS]

01:23:16   on YouTube that's incredible is its I've [TS]

01:23:19   been texting with friends like over the [TS]

01:23:21   whole weekend we've all just been [TS]

01:23:22   sitting there watching like Burt [TS]

01:23:24   Reynolds Dom DeLuise Don Rickles just [TS]

01:23:25   watching these panels but the Don [TS]

01:23:27   Rickles stuff is gold and the repeating [TS]

01:23:28   themes Johnny's a millionaire who who do [TS]

01:23:30   who hates people don know has a [TS]

01:23:32   successful TV show it's so freaking [TS]

01:23:35   funny oh he's gonna you know he makes a [TS]

01:23:37   line and then he stands up and he's like [TS]

01:23:39   well I'm done here and start to walk off [TS]

01:23:41   the stage he does that every time I was [TS]

01:23:45   talking to our friend Shawn about this [TS]

01:23:46   because as you know sean sean is is is a [TS]

01:23:49   fan and we were trading some of our [TS]

01:23:51   favorite non sequiturs what was his when [TS]

01:23:55   he see he says the tall Shaffer wanted [TS]

01:23:57   to put a skate on your face and go skate [TS]

01:23:59   yeah Oh son says that all the time basic [TS]

01:24:03   skate here's a cup [TS]

01:24:05   other of my favorite ones you look at me [TS]

01:24:06   like I'm a chemistry set that's good [TS]

01:24:08   what am i a mal mal fighter pilot I hope [TS]

01:24:11   I wind up in a wheat field with fungus [TS]

01:24:13   on your elbow what does that mean this [TS]

01:24:16   means nothing but he gets remembered for [TS]

01:24:20   like oh boo politically incorrect on [TS]

01:24:22   Rickles the best part is the speed with [TS]

01:24:24   which he could deliver so many [TS]

01:24:26   non-repeating non sequiturs in such a [TS]

01:24:29   short period of time he would come up [TS]

01:24:30   with so much bananas some stuff that [TS]

01:24:32   made absolutely no sense yeah let's get [TS]

01:24:34   on your face escape did you seen the one [TS]

01:24:37   work uh where Letterman uh that wrinkles [TS]

01:24:41   is filming CP 0 Sharkey Oh in red when [TS]

01:24:44   we broke Johnny's a cigarette box uh oh [TS]

01:24:47   no oh that is that that's what it was [TS]

01:24:49   right it was it was when hosting the [TS]

01:24:51   night before and I know I'm sorry Bob [TS]

01:24:53   Bob Newhart was the host Rickles was the [TS]

01:24:56   guest and he starts banging on Johnny's [TS]

01:24:57   desk and broke the cigarette box it he'd [TS]

01:24:59   have his desk since the show moved to LA [TS]

01:25:01   and the next night he's Johnny's talking [TS]

01:25:04   to Doc yeah and he goes interrupts EPO [TS]

01:25:07   sure yeah pretty great uh if you got the [TS]

01:25:13   netflix uh there is a John Landis today [TS]

01:25:17   did a movie about Don Rickles I think [TS]

01:25:19   it's called mr. warmth that's really [TS]

01:25:21   good oh really oh that's John Landis [TS]

01:25:23   mmhmm yeah yeah you got on itunes but as [TS]

01:25:26   i watched it last night for the third [TS]

01:25:27   time on netflix you know Rickles is an [TS]

01:25:31   example as a as we entered into this way [TS]

01:25:35   weird uh era that we're in now and I [TS]

01:25:38   don't mean to use the word weird no no [TS]

01:25:40   is that that's out of the way you're [TS]

01:25:42   gonna hear from the Wiccans yeah I'm uh [TS]

01:25:44   that's right uh uh but but that that [TS]

01:25:48   difficulty that you and I and a lot of [TS]

01:25:51   our friends a lot of our era you know [TS]

01:25:53   dan savage had this problem this making [TS]

01:25:56   this transition to a world in which [TS]

01:25:58   words add all this extra power to to [TS]

01:26:05   shape people's lives words could damage [TS]

01:26:08   as well as fists and then as time went [TS]

01:26:11   on sort of words became more damaging [TS]

01:26:14   than fists and we all had to monitor [TS]

01:26:16   carefully what we were saying in order [TS]

01:26:18   to not do damage to people and Rickles [TS]

01:26:21   is like a not just an example but like [TS]

01:26:24   the prime example of an era when when it [TS]

01:26:32   was the the idea was just very different [TS]

01:26:34   and and dawn obviously was not done was [TS]

01:26:39   was like not a racist and Dawn was not a [TS]

01:26:43   he didn't he wasn't trying to hurt [TS]

01:26:48   people and he used awful awful language [TS]

01:26:52   in ways that thats called people's ears [TS]

01:26:54   now but an environment I think you could [TS]

01:26:57   not see I think it I can completely [TS]

01:27:00   understand a hundred percent why [TS]

01:27:01   somebody would be offended by that I [TS]

01:27:03   don't think he believed that in his [TS]

01:27:04   heart I think that was it was a bit he [TS]

01:27:07   didn't believe it in his heart and all [TS]

01:27:08   of his listeners understood you know [TS]

01:27:12   like like there was and and and you know [TS]

01:27:15   this has been written about a thousand [TS]

01:27:17   times I'm not making a case but it's an [TS]

01:27:20   example I think of not being able to [TS]

01:27:23   judge history on contemporary terms you [TS]

01:27:26   know you can't go back and say the [TS]

01:27:28   founding fathers are i impeach the [TS]

01:27:31   founding fathers on the you know because [TS]

01:27:34   they were slave owners are because they [TS]

01:27:35   didn't you know i impeach Christopher [TS]

01:27:38   Columbus because he was a mass murderer [TS]

01:27:40   and even then it was considered badge on [TS]

01:27:43   mass murder mm-hmm Christopher Columbus [TS]

01:27:46   did set out uh uh to sail the ocean blue [TS]

01:27:49   with the idea of mass murder in his [TS]

01:27:52   heart you know what I mean like for [TS]

01:27:53   Columbus was trying to find a back way [TS]

01:27:55   to India we've heard the stories but you [TS]

01:27:59   know what i mean like it if you try and [TS]

01:28:01   if you try and look at Don Rickles and [TS]

01:28:03   say and and judge his work on [TS]

01:28:06   contemporary terms you just can't it's a [TS]

01:28:09   it's other it's otherworldly now you [TS]

01:28:12   just try that for Richard Pryor I mean [TS]

01:28:14   would you want to throw out the work of [TS]

01:28:15   Richard Pryor because of the standards [TS]

01:28:17   like I hope not well they've been trying [TS]

01:28:20   to throw out Mark Twain my whole life um [TS]

01:28:23   and when I say day I mean you know yea [TS]

01:28:27   though the liberal coastal elites [TS]

01:28:29   the liberal coastal elites haven't [TS]

01:28:31   rented or the poor the Christian [TS]

01:28:34   demagogues of Oklahoma you know [TS]

01:28:36   everybody's trying to throw up Marcus [TS]

01:28:37   Club I'm like I get that vest I don't be [TS]

01:28:39   in the club no I Reapers are but our [TS]

01:28:43   vestas guy River clubs and that's that's [TS]

01:28:46   the only best all we're from here on out [TS]

01:28:47   that's where I'm that's where I'm gonna [TS]

01:28:49   be Sunday morning mmm we need a song [TS]

01:28:52   written the sky sky river rippers could [TS]

01:28:59   be or not sky um we try this week I [TS]

01:29:03   thought so what will I try yes I don't [TS]

01:29:06   really like it I'll order it right now [TS]

01:29:09   you know I've been meaning to get amazon [TS]

01:29:10   prime and this is the reason all right [TS]

01:29:11   do it so this is this finally my reason [TS]

01:29:14   to get amazon prime fighters are [TS]

01:29:16   religious right off given that you're [TS]

01:29:18   creating a church now uh absolutely [TS]

01:29:21   right all right well I'm trying to I'm [TS]

01:29:23   trying to resume my policy of writing [TS]

01:29:26   off everything that entertains me even [TS]

01:29:27   slightly for a moment because I'm in [TS]

01:29:29   show business and so entertainment is [TS]

01:29:31   it's all right offer if you're not happy [TS]

01:29:33   the audience are gonna be happy right [TS]

01:29:36   right my happiness is is preeminent [TS]

01:29:40   that's why I'm wearing but this fleece [TS]

01:29:42   onesie with a hood on on the airplane [TS]

01:29:44   I'm taking tomorrow oh yeah you know why [TS]

01:29:47   your flip-flops flip-flops in a onesie [TS]

01:29:51   look pop in a onesie and the ones he has [TS]

01:29:53   animal ears it's like a.m. you know [TS]

01:29:56   let's be honest it's a sex onesie [TS]

01:30:01   you [TS]

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