97: Idle Doodles


00:00:00   I hate you and everything you say about [TS]

00:00:02   yourself is false and I deny the reality [TS]

00:00:04   of any of your feelings or interest this [TS]

00:00:08   is hypercritical a weekly talk show [TS]

00:00:10   riemann a ting on exactly what is wrong [TS]

00:00:11   in the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:13   technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:15   so perfect that can't be complained [TS]

00:00:16   about by my friend and yours host of [TS]

00:00:18   this show John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin [TS]

00:00:21   today is wednesday december 5th 2012 [TS]

00:00:24   this is our 97th episode closing in on [TS]

00:00:27   the inevitable like to say thanks very [TS]

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00:01:31   software.com / 5 by 5 how are you today [TS]

00:01:35   John I'm doing fine got follow-up today [TS]

00:01:41   we have follow-up and then we have we're [TS]

00:01:44   going to have an opportunity to ask you [TS]

00:01:46   some questions that were a couple for me [TS]

00:01:48   but most of them submitted from our [TS]

00:01:51   listeners over Twitter because this is [TS]

00:01:54   the QA episode if you will the [TS]

00:01:57   long-anticipated Q&A episode yeah i [TS]

00:02:02   think it was like why did episode 95 or [TS]

00:02:05   something like that when i said we've [TS]

00:02:07   announced the end of the show I said one [TS]

00:02:08   of the episodes was gonna be a Q&A [TS]

00:02:09   episode but it wouldn't tell you which [TS]

00:02:11   one it would be mostly because I didn't [TS]

00:02:13   know [TS]

00:02:13   and this week we're recording early [TS]

00:02:15   because you're travelling right on our [TS]

00:02:16   usual day so this is a perfect time to [TS]

00:02:18   do it because you know we only had but [TS]

00:02:20   last show was on Friday and now it's [TS]

00:02:22   Wednesday so I don't have the normal [TS]

00:02:23   enough time to collect and prepare a [TS]

00:02:26   topic for the show so this is the [TS]

00:02:27   perfect time to do a Q&A show and it is [TS]

00:02:30   that it for the record it says this is [TS]

00:02:32   not a stump John kind of show these [TS]

00:02:35   questions they're not geared at throwing [TS]

00:02:38   you you know things you will you'll have [TS]

00:02:39   to be put on the spot to answer from [TS]

00:02:41   like a technological knowledge base [TS]

00:02:44   standpoint they're there questions about [TS]

00:02:46   you the man the man there whatever [TS]

00:02:49   anyone wants to ask but if I don't know [TS]

00:02:50   I'm just gonna say i don't know and [TS]

00:02:51   that'll be boring questionable just you [TS]

00:02:53   know I'm won't ask anything like that [TS]

00:02:54   move on they don't have to be about it [TS]

00:02:56   can be about anything ask me anything [TS]

00:02:58   because I can always simply not answer [TS]

00:03:01   and I would like to say thanks very much [TS]

00:03:02   to my producer Hattie cook for helping [TS]

00:03:05   curate your favorite word curate and [TS]

00:03:08   cull the list of questions or many many [TS]

00:03:11   people responded when I put it out there [TS]

00:03:13   on Twitter and she helped picked help me [TS]

00:03:16   pick some of the very very best [TS]

00:03:17   questions so get ready John I hope next [TS]

00:03:20   year like the word of the year will be [TS]

00:03:21   curing like curing meats because cured [TS]

00:03:24   meats are much better than curated [TS]

00:03:25   things that's that's gonna be the word [TS]

00:03:28   of the year and I'm by the way feel it [TS]

00:03:30   in this show like this this is supposed [TS]

00:03:32   to be questions from the audience from [TS]

00:03:35   the chat room from people on Twitter [TS]

00:03:36   people email you or whatever this does [TS]

00:03:38   not count as the as you asking me [TS]

00:03:41   questions so I said there also might be [TS]

00:03:43   a show where I say all right Dan now [TS]

00:03:45   it's time for you to ask me stuff and [TS]

00:03:46   yes this this is not that show so don't [TS]

00:03:48   think you're getting just because you're [TS]

00:03:49   like sneaking in a few of your own [TS]

00:03:50   questions it doesn't mean you get it [TS]

00:03:51   well how about this i will remove my own [TS]

00:03:53   questions these will be one hundred [TS]

00:03:54   percent crowdsource questions done but [TS]

00:03:56   yeah it's a that's up to you if you want [TS]

00:03:58   to reserve them for if if you you may be [TS]

00:04:01   called upon to do this you may not be [TS]

00:04:03   maybe we will never have that show we [TS]

00:04:04   don't know huh so use your own judgment [TS]

00:04:06   alright but first we have to do [TS]

00:04:09   follow-up of course ah and we do have a [TS]

00:04:12   reasonable sized chunk of bat from last [TS]

00:04:15   week i guess we'll start with some more [TS]

00:04:19   about chip stuff and intel and AMD and [TS]

00:04:22   arm and all that that has been going on [TS]

00:04:24   for the past few shows this for [TS]

00:04:27   bit is an anonymous bit of feedback from [TS]

00:04:31   someone who calls himself Scott [TS]

00:04:32   anonymous Scott if you want to be [TS]

00:04:34   anonymous you shouldn't you shouldn't [TS]

00:04:35   put your name Scott there if that is [TS]

00:04:37   your moment not full and an image he [TS]

00:04:39   write half he says that he works at [TS]

00:04:42   Intel and that they call it taping out [TS]

00:04:44   not taping it so now we have a battle of [TS]

00:04:47   the anonymous sources one says he works [TS]

00:04:50   at Intel and they call taping out and [TS]

00:04:51   the other one is just merely anonymous [TS]

00:04:53   and says they call it taping in so i [TS]

00:04:54   don't know maybe you anonymous people [TS]

00:04:56   should find each other in the intel [TS]

00:04:59   lunch room or wherever you might want to [TS]

00:05:00   meet and hash it out cuz i don't know [TS]

00:05:02   what to think i'm just going by it based [TS]

00:05:03   on your feedback so so there you have it [TS]

00:05:05   he says they called taping out Peter [TS]

00:05:08   Evans wrote in about the term taping out [TS]

00:05:10   which I'll a show i said i'm not sure [TS]

00:05:13   what the origin of that term is but i [TS]

00:05:15   imagine had something to do with real [TS]

00:05:16   physical tape my guess was that it had [TS]

00:05:18   to do with like laying down pieces of [TS]

00:05:21   tape to lay out where like the traces [TS]

00:05:23   might go in the ancient myths of time [TS]

00:05:25   but that's apparently wrong so Peter [TS]

00:05:27   Evans up gave me some history here he [TS]

00:05:29   says historically this referred to [TS]

00:05:31   actually shipping a magnetic tape [TS]

00:05:33   containing the files on it for making [TS]

00:05:35   the bullet with a photolithography [TS]

00:05:37   graphs no photo lithography masks mmm to [TS]

00:05:41   the family so like a magnetic tape like [TS]

00:05:43   you know as a storage medium for digital [TS]

00:05:45   data and that's what tapping out means [TS]

00:05:49   and he says that the file format for [TS]

00:05:51   this tape was something called GDS which [TS]

00:05:54   is an unbelievably arcane relic of 1970s [TS]

00:05:56   and is gradually being replaced [TS]

00:05:58   throughout the industry that was taking [TS]

00:05:59   far too long soon as nowadays they [TS]

00:06:01   usually securely email or ftp the files [TS]

00:06:04   and that's the modern version email or [TS]

00:06:06   ftp those are the two modern choices [TS]

00:06:08   instead of sending a tape over i would [TS]

00:06:10   say that both email FTP are also ancient [TS]

00:06:13   things that should be you know relegated [TS]

00:06:15   to the dustbin a digital history [TS]

00:06:16   particularly ftp but really like if your [TS]

00:06:18   Intel and you have like the next design [TS]

00:06:20   for your you know next super duper [TS]

00:06:23   processor do you want to email it like [TS]

00:06:26   all it's a secure email we put it in a [TS]

00:06:27   password-protected zip file and we send [TS]

00:06:29   it through gmail i will use ftp with a [TS]

00:06:31   with clear text passwords i'm sure [TS]

00:06:33   that's great anyway so there you have it [TS]

00:06:35   taping out even though they may or may [TS]

00:06:38   not actually use [TS]

00:06:39   tapes these days that's what it refers [TS]

00:06:41   to taking putting your data onto tape [TS]

00:06:42   and sending it out to the fat on the [TS]

00:06:47   glass show talking about the possibility [TS]

00:06:50   of i think it was Apple contracting out [TS]

00:06:52   TSMC to do their fabbing and how there [TS]

00:06:56   was rumors about that and how part of [TS]

00:06:58   one of the stories that was reading [TS]

00:06:59   about that deal said that TSMC would [TS]

00:07:02   have to get used to the way Apple likes [TS]

00:07:04   to fund how does financially structure [TS]

00:07:07   these type of deals where they do the [TS]

00:07:09   more like apple buys the equipment up [TS]

00:07:13   front for the people and then they get [TS]

00:07:14   paid back in the chips that they [TS]

00:07:15   manufacture and the reason most of the [TS]

00:07:17   reason I was confused by this is because [TS]

00:07:19   why I don't know what what the financial [TS]

00:07:21   reason is behind this arrangement but be [TS]

00:07:23   the article phrased it as TSMC would [TS]

00:07:26   have to get used to this like oh [TS]

00:07:27   normally we wouldn't do stuff like this [TS]

00:07:29   but Apple wants this strange sort of [TS]

00:07:30   deal and it seems like why would why [TS]

00:07:32   would TSMC object to someone structuring [TS]

00:07:34   the dealer's ways it works for them so [TS]

00:07:37   I'm still not entirely sure on a bed [TS]

00:07:39   Trevor hardi verdun to explain why deals [TS]

00:07:43   might be structured this way it makes [TS]

00:07:44   perfect sense in terms of the the [TS]

00:07:48   financials doesn't make sense to me in [TS]

00:07:50   terms of that article saying why someone [TS]

00:07:53   might object to this but the gist of it [TS]

00:07:56   is that doing semiconductor [TS]

00:07:58   manufacturing has very very large [TS]

00:08:00   upfront purchase costs like to build a [TS]

00:08:02   fab at any particular feature size cost [TS]

00:08:05   literally billions of dollars just you [TS]

00:08:07   know you have to just put that money out [TS]

00:08:09   front before you get the first chip off [TS]

00:08:10   the thing so you just need a huge amount [TS]

00:08:12   of capital its liquid that you can put [TS]

00:08:14   down or you know get a loan or whatever [TS]

00:08:16   and you need to build the thing and then [TS]

00:08:18   finally when the thing is built [TS]

00:08:19   presuming you built the right thing at [TS]

00:08:21   the right time and the right place can [TS]

00:08:22   get customers then finally you can start [TS]

00:08:24   making money off of it so if you are say [TS]

00:08:26   a low-margin semiconductor manufacturing [TS]

00:08:28   business you might not have multiple [TS]

00:08:30   billions of dollars hanging around or [TS]

00:08:32   you might not want to take out the kind [TS]

00:08:33   of big alone whereas Apple comes in with [TS]

00:08:35   its you know forty percent profit [TS]

00:08:36   margins and multiple billions of dollars [TS]

00:08:39   in the bank make us a look I know you [TS]

00:08:41   don't want to take the financial risk to [TS]

00:08:42   build this fab or whatever will put the [TS]

00:08:44   money up front will give you this money [TS]

00:08:46   you build the fab and then you'll pay it [TS]

00:08:48   back to us by you know making a you know [TS]

00:08:50   chips or whatever your financial region [TS]

00:08:52   is so like they'll front them [TS]

00:08:53   for you and I'm sure apple extracts you [TS]

00:08:56   know lower profit margins for this let [TS]

00:08:59   me conduct your manufacturer based on [TS]

00:09:00   that or whatever so maybe that's why [TS]

00:09:01   they don't like the deal but anyway [TS]

00:09:04   that's that and I'll does that with lots [TS]

00:09:06   of other manufactures not just [TS]

00:09:07   semiconductors like they do the thing [TS]

00:09:08   you know we'll buy them we'll put the [TS]

00:09:09   expenditures upfront to buy these metal [TS]

00:09:11   machining tools or whatever to do these [TS]

00:09:13   precise machining of aluminum and stuff [TS]

00:09:15   and then we'll buy you the tools you put [TS]

00:09:17   them in your factory and you turn them [TS]

00:09:19   out so anybody this is all speculative [TS]

00:09:23   biggest no such deal has yet taken place [TS]

00:09:25   but this is trevor Hardy's explanation [TS]

00:09:27   of why the deal might be arranged this [TS]

00:09:31   way and of course you know why diff [TS]

00:09:33   Apple has money why don't they just do [TS]

00:09:34   with themselves fault presumably the fab [TS]

00:09:36   the people who run the fab have [TS]

00:09:39   expertise in manufacturing you know [TS]

00:09:40   Apple just has the money and they'll [TS]

00:09:42   give it to those guys and say all they [TS]

00:09:43   know you know how to build their fabs [TS]

00:09:45   and how to run them and stuff like that [TS]

00:09:47   emoto's front the money from Jarrod [TS]

00:09:51   Williams wrote in to talk about AMD and [TS]

00:09:53   how we talk about you know what if apple [TS]

00:09:57   bought AMD what were they get out of it [TS]

00:09:59   would be good idea or bad idea said if [TS]

00:10:02   anyone buys AMD AMD has to renegotiate [TS]

00:10:05   its cross license agreement with Intel [TS]

00:10:07   and this is I'm assuming Jared learned [TS]

00:10:10   this from the exact same place that I [TS]

00:10:11   learned it which is the anandtech [TS]

00:10:14   podcast I put a link to it in the show [TS]

00:10:15   it's because it's a good one to listen [TS]

00:10:16   to lots of great technical info I mean [TS]

00:10:19   if you don't like hearing about if you [TS]

00:10:21   think I when it's zoom in detail the [TS]

00:10:22   chip stuff you probably won't like this [TS]

00:10:23   podcast but even getting go into enough [TS]

00:10:25   detail you were like this point right [TS]

00:10:27   and so I listened to one of the recent [TS]

00:10:29   episodes will they talked about AMD and [TS]

00:10:32   so I am being then to have a cross [TS]

00:10:35   license agreement you know lots of [TS]

00:10:36   companies have these where they get in [TS]

00:10:37   some code of patent dispute or [TS]

00:10:39   intellectual property dispute and they [TS]

00:10:40   come to an agreement they say okay you [TS]

00:10:41   can use our intellectual property and we [TS]

00:10:43   can use yours some limited subsets or [TS]

00:10:46   whatever and we won't see each other [TS]

00:10:47   whatever will go forward but part of the [TS]

00:10:49   deal is apparently if either company [TS]

00:10:51   gets bought by anybody if Intel changes [TS]

00:10:53   ownership or if AMD changes ownership [TS]

00:10:55   that deal is off and has to be [TS]

00:10:57   renegotiated or not or whatever you know [TS]

00:10:58   but that deal is null and void and you [TS]

00:11:01   know so if anyone buys AMD you know [TS]

00:11:04   you're not automatically getting for [TS]

00:11:06   example the ability [TS]

00:11:07   make x86 processors because your [TS]

00:11:09   agreement with Intel let you do that is [TS]

00:11:11   gone and now you have to renegotiate it [TS]

00:11:12   and similarly if AMD or intel gets [TS]

00:11:16   bought Intel's ability I'm assuming and [TS]

00:11:19   the antec pod tech podcast assume as [TS]

00:11:21   well that Intel's ability to use x86 64 [TS]

00:11:25   the 64-bit instruction set extension [TS]

00:11:28   invented by AMD and used in all of [TS]

00:11:30   Intel's modern desktop processors and [TS]

00:11:32   laptop processors uh until needs that to [TS]

00:11:36   be part of its business so it's not like [TS]

00:11:38   if someone buys it all bets are off and [TS]

00:11:40   then you know tough luck if someone buys [TS]

00:11:42   you the company those the two parties [TS]

00:11:45   are going to renegotiate because they [TS]

00:11:46   need each other like they each have [TS]

00:11:48   something of the person wants the Intel [TS]

00:11:49   is no good without the ability to make [TS]

00:11:51   x86 64 and AMD is probably no good [TS]

00:11:53   without the ability to make x86 chips so [TS]

00:11:55   they both have all sorts of super done [TS]

00:11:58   patents I'm sure and plus other [TS]

00:11:59   intellectual property based on the stuff [TS]

00:12:01   they've invented but that's one more [TS]

00:12:03   monkey wrench in the possible theories [TS]

00:12:05   about someone buying AMD and by the way [TS]

00:12:08   who listen to that antec podcast about [TS]

00:12:10   AMD they paint a pretty dire picture of [TS]

00:12:13   where AMD is like they've already sold [TS]

00:12:16   off all the things they can sell off to [TS]

00:12:17   to make quick to make a quick buck [TS]

00:12:19   they're not well positioned in the [TS]

00:12:21   market and they're running out of money [TS]

00:12:22   fast and it doesn't look like their [TS]

00:12:23   pipeline has any blockbuster products [TS]

00:12:25   they're going to pull them up out of it [TS]

00:12:26   so it was a pretty depressing podcast if [TS]

00:12:28   you're hopeful for the future of AMD and [TS]

00:12:33   last week talked about Intel's [TS]

00:12:35   transactional memory features that [TS]

00:12:38   they've put in as well and presumably [TS]

00:12:40   all future chips but we'll say and [TS]

00:12:42   someone with the funny name ghee in [TS]

00:12:45   glaze a right sent to tell me that [TS]

00:12:48   transactional memory is probably more [TS]

00:12:50   useful in the kernel than in user space [TS]

00:12:51   code so like the kernel maintains lots [TS]

00:12:54   of shared resources like the unified [TS]

00:12:55   buffer cache where it you know caches [TS]

00:12:58   access to files and other things like [TS]

00:13:00   that in memory and lots of other [TS]

00:13:03   processes need to manipulate that that [TS]

00:13:06   cash because they all go into kernel [TS]

00:13:07   space and do that and years ago as he [TS]

00:13:11   points out Mac os10 used to have just [TS]

00:13:14   one big giant lock around anything if [TS]

00:13:16   you go and do anything with like the the [TS]

00:13:18   buffer cache you go in there you grab [TS]

00:13:20   one [TS]

00:13:20   locking everyone else has blocked out [TS]

00:13:22   even if they weren't even gonna touch [TS]

00:13:23   anywhere near where you're going to [TS]

00:13:24   touch and that's sort of you know [TS]

00:13:25   coarse-grained locking it's not [TS]

00:13:27   particularly good for concurrency [TS]

00:13:29   because say all you know there's five [TS]

00:13:31   processes that want to screw with this [TS]

00:13:32   thing and they're really not going to [TS]

00:13:34   overlap at all but if we have as coarse [TS]

00:13:36   grain locking only one of them can do at [TS]

00:13:38   a time so Mac os10 has been making finer [TS]

00:13:41   grain locking over time to sit okay well [TS]

00:13:43   these guys really aren't going to [TS]

00:13:44   conflict with each other we can have [TS]

00:13:45   these smaller locks onto these smaller [TS]

00:13:47   areas and then they can both go at the [TS]

00:13:48   same time and that's great especially [TS]

00:13:49   multi-core CPUs but with transactional [TS]

00:13:52   memory in theory you could rewrite this [TS]

00:13:55   parts of the kernel to use the hardware [TS]

00:13:57   transactional memory features and say [TS]

00:13:59   okay everyone just go at once and if any [TS]

00:14:01   of you actually have a collision then [TS]

00:14:02   yeah you'll get rolled back and have to [TS]

00:14:04   do locking stuff or whatever but inmate [TS]

00:14:06   and need hopefully more common case [TS]

00:14:08   where there are no collisions no one has [TS]

00:14:10   to grab any locks at all like you know [TS]

00:14:11   sixteen virtual cores can be having [TS]

00:14:13   processes running that are messing with [TS]

00:14:15   this part of the colonel so so we'll see [TS]

00:14:19   I mean like lots of speculative hardware [TS]

00:14:21   features they think will be good for [TS]

00:14:22   some theoretical kinds of workloads you [TS]

00:14:26   have to this two things one you have to [TS]

00:14:27   see how many real-world workloads [TS]

00:14:29   actually conform to this theoretical [TS]

00:14:32   thing they'll be better and to you have [TS]

00:14:33   to get people to actually rewrite their [TS]

00:14:34   software to take advantage of your cool [TS]

00:14:36   new features or tweak your software do [TS]

00:14:39   something or at least recompile it you [TS]

00:14:40   know depending on how I the bar so we'll [TS]

00:14:42   see how where that goes oh and he also [TS]

00:14:45   says that he grew up on blue peter in [TS]

00:14:47   England and he loved that show mm-hmm [TS]

00:14:49   many Blue Peter fans writing and in fact [TS]

00:14:51   this next bit of follow-up from David [TS]

00:14:53   Meyers is about Blue Peter beginning [TS]

00:14:54   beginning the Blue Peter section of the [TS]

00:14:56   faulkner try to turn this down ah so he [TS]

00:15:00   says that despite all our laughing he [TS]

00:15:03   says sniggering about the name Blue [TS]

00:15:05   Peter it's actually named after the [TS]

00:15:07   maritime signaling flag representing the [TS]

00:15:09   letter P I put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:15:10   to Wikipedia page of international [TS]

00:15:12   maritime signal flags he says when flown [TS]

00:15:16   in the harbor it means all persons [TS]

00:15:17   should report on board as the vessel is [TS]

00:15:19   about to proceed to see which is the [TS]

00:15:21   show creators way of saying program is [TS]

00:15:25   like a ship setting out on a voyage [TS]

00:15:26   having new adventures and discovering [TS]

00:15:28   new things so it's like everybody aboard [TS]

00:15:29   the board and by the way David Myers and [TS]

00:15:32   that paragraph spelled Harbor with an O [TS]

00:15:33   you are in the end and program with an e [TS]

00:15:35   at the end proving that he is a bona [TS]

00:15:38   fide person from across the pond right [TS]

00:15:42   that's all you need to do to prove that [TS]

00:15:44   to us yes there's open oh you are I [TS]

00:15:47   guess who else would do that no one yeah [TS]

00:15:49   and I he also provided a link to the [TS]

00:15:53   Blue Peter FAQ for people who want to [TS]

00:15:55   know more about Blue Peter he says [TS]

00:15:57   having grown up in the 60s in the UK [TS]

00:15:58   with only a couple of channels on TV and [TS]

00:16:00   only one hour per day of children's [TS]

00:16:01   television Blue Peter was a major [TS]

00:16:03   influence on the formative years of many [TS]

00:16:06   of my generation and I can attest from [TS]

00:16:08   the feedback of that is true many people [TS]

00:16:09   wrote in simply to say that they watch [TS]

00:16:11   blue peter and they loved it as a kid so [TS]

00:16:13   there you go it's like the British [TS]

00:16:15   Sesame Street I still didn't actually go [TS]

00:16:19   to youtube and like trying to look up an [TS]

00:16:21   episode to see what it was like so I [TS]

00:16:22   just like imagining what it's like in my [TS]

00:16:24   head and not actually knowing uh okay [TS]

00:16:28   actually that was the end of the Blue [TS]

00:16:29   Peter section a little bit about the wii [TS]

00:16:31   u from someone named Christopher whose [TS]

00:16:34   last name I could not find he provided a [TS]

00:16:36   link to a YouTube show channel thing [TS]

00:16:39   whatever called the way games work I [TS]

00:16:41   watched a little bit of it and I look [TS]

00:16:43   like it was pretty good this is about [TS]

00:16:44   how the Wii U gamepad works talks about [TS]

00:16:47   capacitive touchscreens and gyroscopes [TS]

00:16:49   and it's not particularly techie but [TS]

00:16:50   it's you know if you want sort of a fun [TS]

00:16:53   high level overview of how the stuff [TS]

00:16:54   inside the gamepad works you should [TS]

00:16:56   check it out it's in the show notes to [TS]

00:17:01   software update things one new one old [TS]

00:17:04   the first one is I wanted to mention [TS]

00:17:07   that the new version of BB edit is out [TS]

00:17:10   even though they're not sponsoring this [TS]

00:17:11   episode yes they well they have they [TS]

00:17:13   have in the past so it you know even [TS]

00:17:15   even if they hadn't we're not going to [TS]

00:17:16   not talk about it that's right and this [TS]

00:17:19   is noteworthy because this is a version [TS]

00:17:22   B be at a 10.5 it's a free update for [TS]

00:17:24   people who own baby out of 10 i believe [TS]

00:17:25   and it includes retina support which [TS]

00:17:28   means that if you have a mac with a [TS]

00:17:29   retina screen everything is rendered at [TS]

00:17:32   the higher resolution and that doesn't [TS]

00:17:34   sound like such a big deal like so what [TS]

00:17:36   lots of apps are updated for retina [TS]

00:17:37   support it's kind of a big deal because [TS]

00:17:39   bbedit depending on your definition of [TS]

00:17:42   the term is pretty much a carbon [TS]

00:17:45   application carbon [TS]

00:17:47   is the legacy Mac API that was created [TS]

00:17:51   to allow people who had classic mac OS [TS]

00:17:53   applications to more easily port them to [TS]

00:17:55   Mac OS 10 and it became legacy when [TS]

00:17:57   Apple decided that they're not going to [TS]

00:18:00   provide a 64-bit version of carbon so [TS]

00:18:03   they would continue to support [TS]

00:18:04   carbon-carbon appt cebu continue to run [TS]

00:18:05   but if you wanted your app to be 64 bit [TS]

00:18:07   it couldn't be carbon this is despite [TS]

00:18:10   the fact that it are you Donna stantial [TS]

00:18:11   portion of the work to get 64-bit carbon [TS]

00:18:13   working so it wasn't a technical problem [TS]

00:18:14   was more of a political one it said look [TS]

00:18:16   Coco is the future all your apps should [TS]

00:18:18   be written in Cocoa going forward uh [TS]

00:18:20   where you know we're cutting off carbon [TS]

00:18:24   and that happened many years ago things [TS]

00:18:25   like Photoshop had since ported [TS]

00:18:28   themselves to Coco the real difficulty [TS]

00:18:31   is figure out what do you mean but [TS]

00:18:32   what's a cocoa app and what's a carbon [TS]

00:18:33   app like if you look at almost any [TS]

00:18:34   modern application you'll see that they [TS]

00:18:38   link to the carbon framework and the [TS]

00:18:40   cocoa frameworks because even cocoa [TS]

00:18:41   applications need to call into things [TS]

00:18:43   that you know could arguably be defined [TS]

00:18:45   as carbon api's and most modern carbon [TS]

00:18:48   apps also linked to the cocoa frameworks [TS]

00:18:50   and so like you know is it is it a cocoa [TS]

00:18:52   app yeah you know if it you know is an [TS]

00:18:55   MS application and runs through that [TS]

00:18:58   type of loop is it a carbon out because [TS]

00:18:59   it uses carbon events so you know [TS]

00:19:00   there's lots of different ways you can [TS]

00:19:02   define it but the bottom line is it [TS]

00:19:03   bbedit as an application that's been [TS]

00:19:04   around for ages for what 30 years 20 [TS]

00:19:06   years I forget they had a recent [TS]

00:19:08   anniversary and I forget how many years [TS]

00:19:10   it is but this application was a rat was [TS]

00:19:13   originally distributed on floppy disk to [TS]

00:19:14   let you know how old it is well and so [TS]

00:19:16   it's been continuously developed for all [TS]

00:19:18   those years uh and so obviously you know [TS]

00:19:21   you can't really say well why do you [TS]

00:19:23   guys have a carbon code base was you [TS]

00:19:25   know the app was shipped in like [TS]

00:19:26   nineteen ninety-two like there was no [TS]

00:19:28   nothing back then there was a different [TS]

00:19:31   world and so this is still the same [TS]

00:19:32   application more or less continuously [TS]

00:19:34   developed and they managed to find a way [TS]

00:19:36   somehow through black magic to make [TS]

00:19:38   their application support retina [TS]

00:19:42   displays does that mean they converted [TS]

00:19:43   the application to cocoa does that mean [TS]

00:19:45   they found a way to draw on retina [TS]

00:19:47   displays with carbon I don't know the [TS]

00:19:48   technical details someday if you have [TS]

00:19:50   rich seagull on one of your interior [TS]

00:19:52   shows you can ask him yeah I'm [TS]

00:19:53   definitely an ask him about people who [TS]

00:19:54   asked me about that I directed them to [TS]

00:19:56   rich he can reveal his secrets or not [TS]

00:19:59   but the point is it's real it's shipping [TS]

00:20:01   it's even in the mac app store I believe [TS]

00:20:03   the old version certainly we're on [TS]

00:20:06   assume this won't be as well I don't [TS]

00:20:08   even have a Retina screen I'm a BB at a [TS]

00:20:10   beta tester so I've been running it for [TS]

00:20:11   a while but it's not like the only [TS]

00:20:14   feature baby at 10.5 is retina support [TS]

00:20:16   it also has a tremendous amount of new [TS]

00:20:18   features as all new versions of baby I [TS]

00:20:20   to do I put a link into the typically [TS]

00:20:22   copious bare-bones release notes does [TS]

00:20:25   the name of the company it's not saying [TS]

00:20:26   that three thought release notes or bare [TS]

00:20:28   bones in fact quite the opposite so if [TS]

00:20:30   you want to see all the new features [TS]

00:20:32   that are in there even if you don't have [TS]

00:20:33   a Retina screen check it out I guess [TS]

00:20:36   that it's free update for anyone who has [TS]

00:20:38   the most recent major version of VPN it [TS]

00:20:39   finally on software notes this is a [TS]

00:20:43   question this is kind of like getting [TS]

00:20:45   into the QA show a little early but not [TS]

00:20:46   really from Don liebes or Don lives from [TS]

00:20:49   a long time ago he said that uh many [TS]

00:20:52   episodes ago I talked about quicken and [TS]

00:20:55   my inability to run it I think it was [TS]

00:20:58   like an ability to run on lion or maybe [TS]

00:21:00   was the ability to run the mountain lion [TS]

00:21:01   or something like that everyone quick [TS]

00:21:03   and wouldn't run on modern max maybe [TS]

00:21:04   because they didn't have an x86 port and [TS]

00:21:06   line dropped the oh yeah Rosetta yes [TS]

00:21:08   there was that weird in-between time [TS]

00:21:10   yeah and I said like okay well you know [TS]

00:21:13   I could run it in you know virtual [TS]

00:21:16   machine running snow leopard or [TS]

00:21:18   something or I could keep a machine and [TS]

00:21:21   not upgraded to lion and run it there [TS]

00:21:22   and you know or I could you know look [TS]

00:21:25   for other things people like oh well you [TS]

00:21:26   know if you're looking for other or [TS]

00:21:27   software applications here's a buzzer [TS]

00:21:29   suggestions and if you pick one tell us [TS]

00:21:31   what you picked on the air so Donna's [TS]

00:21:32   asking whatever happened with that what [TS]

00:21:34   did you do did you change to use a [TS]

00:21:36   different application and you stop using [TS]

00:21:38   quick and whatever i'm not sure if I [TS]

00:21:40   mentioned this on past shows but its [TS]

00:21:41   figures worth following up on now before [TS]

00:21:43   the show ends what I ended up doing was [TS]

00:21:45   apparently waiting long enough and then [TS]

00:21:48   into it came out of her with a version [TS]

00:21:50   of quicken for the mac that ran on lion [TS]

00:21:52   and i just bought that it was like a $13 [TS]

00:21:55   upgrade or whatever was so i did not get [TS]

00:21:58   off a quick and i'm still using quicken [TS]

00:21:59   its quicken for mac 2007 which tells you [TS]

00:22:02   the vintage this program but it does run [TS]

00:22:03   on modern max at least around online I [TS]

00:22:06   it still runs a mountain lion like I [TS]

00:22:07   launched it the other day in mountain [TS]

00:22:08   lion maybe there's some features don't [TS]

00:22:10   work in mountain lion or some features [TS]

00:22:11   are buggy I don't know we I'm very [TS]

00:22:13   limited user of Quicken we just [TS]

00:22:14   basically use it to track a bunch of [TS]

00:22:17   numbers not using any of the fancy [TS]

00:22:19   online stuff or any other features so so [TS]

00:22:21   there you have it the depressing non [TS]

00:22:23   exciting conclusion to my quest for a [TS]

00:22:25   finance program I'm still using quick in [TS]

00:22:27   2007 all right and the final section of [TS]

00:22:32   fall before we get to the QA guys going [TS]

00:22:35   to be all about the geek culture stuff [TS]

00:22:37   doesn't let let's just say that the [TS]

00:22:42   outpouring of responses about that [TS]

00:22:46   episode has been more that I feel than [TS]

00:22:49   any any episode that you've done maybe [TS]

00:22:51   with the exception of your Steve Jobs [TS]

00:22:54   Isaacson book uh episode yeah I expected [TS]

00:22:59   to get a whole bunch of hate mail and [TS]

00:23:01   sort of true to form like as soon as the [TS]

00:23:04   show was over and you know stop [TS]

00:23:06   recording I quit skype like the first [TS]

00:23:08   email to arrive was a not complimentary [TS]

00:23:11   and I'm like all right here it comes but [TS]

00:23:13   really that was like the exception most [TS]

00:23:15   of the feedback was positive I always [TS]

00:23:18   kind of feel like for like blog posts or [TS]

00:23:20   podcasts and stuff like that it's kind [TS]

00:23:23   of cheating when you when you do a topic [TS]

00:23:27   that people have an emotional connection [TS]

00:23:28   to know like all that was great like the [TS]

00:23:31   Steve Jobs show why do people like that [TS]

00:23:32   it's because i was particularly [TS]

00:23:33   insightful or articulate no it's just [TS]

00:23:35   that people have an emotional connection [TS]

00:23:36   to Steve Jobs so when you talk about it [TS]

00:23:38   triggers the emotions in them and they'd [TS]

00:23:40   say all that was a great podcast really [TS]

00:23:41   wasn't I don't think it was any greater [TS]

00:23:43   or better than mote you know I think [TS]

00:23:45   other podcasts i did on less emotionally [TS]

00:23:48   resonant topics were more interesting [TS]

00:23:50   more insightful better structured more [TS]

00:23:52   coherent blah blah blah but people [TS]

00:23:54   connect to emotionally and sell that was [TS]

00:23:56   the one that I really liked and so I see [TS]

00:23:57   that I was blog post or someone write a [TS]

00:23:59   blog post about something it's like was [TS]

00:24:02   this an example of great riding or was [TS]

00:24:04   it just writing about a topic that you [TS]

00:24:06   have an emotional connection to like [TS]

00:24:08   maybe I'm crazy for trying to separate [TS]

00:24:10   those two but I always you know you know [TS]

00:24:12   it my my usual modus operandi is is to [TS]

00:24:15   reject any compliments and explain why [TS]

00:24:17   they're not valid and that happened [TS]

00:24:19   again with this one because i felt like [TS]

00:24:20   it when I listen back to him like I kind [TS]

00:24:22   of got the point across i was kind of [TS]

00:24:24   get across but really was this was that [TS]

00:24:26   a good [TS]

00:24:27   episode you know but anyway I thank [TS]

00:24:29   everyone for the feedback I did want to [TS]

00:24:31   talk about it I'm glad that people [TS]

00:24:34   enjoyed it and I'm not trying to [TS]

00:24:35   invalidate your enjoyment of it i'm just [TS]

00:24:37   being my normal hypercritical self what [TS]

00:24:40   else can I be but I do have some [TS]

00:24:44   follow-up on that episode I'll get back [TS]

00:24:46   onto this self analysis in a little bit [TS]

00:24:50   first part is a a link that a couple [TS]

00:24:53   people sent me like that actually read [TS]

00:24:55   but I didn't manage to get into the show [TS]

00:24:57   notes I'd read it awhile ago I think [TS]

00:24:58   back when it was published two things [TS]

00:24:59   from like this summer it's by john [TS]

00:25:01   scalzi who is a famous science fiction [TS]

00:25:04   author i have not read any of his books [TS]

00:25:07   but he's still famous still see even if [TS]

00:25:09   you have not read it he still qualifies [TS]

00:25:11   I don't read them any century science [TS]

00:25:13   fiction books believe it or not then I [TS]

00:25:15   would think you'd be spending almost all [TS]

00:25:18   of your free time not to preparing for [TS]

00:25:20   the show reading and rereading Ender's [TS]

00:25:22   Game I have never read that book never I [TS]

00:25:26   don't know if it would hold up for you [TS]

00:25:27   anymore I think it's actually on one of [TS]

00:25:29   my I think I bought the book of it [TS]

00:25:31   thinking maybe I should read it but then [TS]

00:25:33   you should read it but yeah alright so [TS]

00:25:37   the title of this article by john scalzi [TS]

00:25:38   is who gets to be geek anyone who wants [TS]

00:25:41   to be which sums up the last show i put [TS]

00:25:46   it in the show it's only for [TS]

00:25:47   completeness i think the title says it [TS]

00:25:49   all sometimes you don't have to write [TS]

00:25:50   the body of the thing it's who gets a [TS]

00:25:52   biggie ? answer anyone who wants to be [TS]

00:25:54   okay no body of this article is required [TS]

00:25:56   oh you need more explanation than read [TS]

00:25:58   on so he said it better earlier so there [TS]

00:26:02   you have it some more feedback from [TS]

00:26:05   people talking about uh you know [TS]

00:26:09   misogynists and stuff like that and it [TS]

00:26:12   made me think of another point that I [TS]

00:26:14   should have put into the previous show [TS]

00:26:16   it's about what you are versus what you [TS]

00:26:19   do this is another one of those things [TS]

00:26:20   like the year that your mother tells you [TS]

00:26:22   when you're little that adults should [TS]

00:26:23   still remember because it's valid advice [TS]

00:26:25   lots of the people who are giving [TS]

00:26:28   feedback and writing her back and forth [TS]

00:26:30   to each other on the web about the fake [TS]

00:26:32   geek girl issue fall into this trap I [TS]

00:26:35   did it myself i'm sure in the previous [TS]

00:26:37   podcast of calling someone a misogynist [TS]

00:26:39   you've surely heard that like [TS]

00:26:40   the guy who is our read all that stuff [TS]

00:26:42   room was Tony Harris or something some [TS]

00:26:43   comic book artists oh I didn't know who [TS]

00:26:44   wrote that terrible thing right that was [TS]

00:26:47   kind of the basis of the article that I [TS]

00:26:49   was riffing on and the previous show you [TS]

00:26:51   know clearly he's a misogynist right i [TS]

00:26:53   mean just read what he wrote I think [TS]

00:26:57   it's not particularly useful to talk [TS]

00:26:59   about people in that way like condemning [TS]

00:27:02   it's better it's better to condemn their [TS]

00:27:04   actions then to say they are something [TS]

00:27:07   because if you say someone is something [TS]

00:27:08   you are a misogynist well like how can [TS]

00:27:11   someone change what they are right but [TS]

00:27:13   if you say that thing you wrote you know [TS]

00:27:16   is misogynistic right or that thing that [TS]

00:27:19   you said like if you can condemn their [TS]

00:27:21   actions people can change their action [TS]

00:27:22   it's like okay well going forward I will [TS]

00:27:23   not make that action right but if you [TS]

00:27:25   say oh no no you are a misogynist well [TS]

00:27:27   then how can you ever change that right [TS]

00:27:28   once you once you label somebody is what [TS]

00:27:30   they are you put your painting your uh [TS]

00:27:32   backing them into a corner basically [TS]

00:27:35   because they look they will they will [TS]

00:27:37   lash out and be defensive because you [TS]

00:27:40   know you are labeling me as what I am [TS]

00:27:41   rather than saying that thing that you [TS]

00:27:43   did was bad uh or you know sexist or [TS]

00:27:46   racist or ever you want to pick because [TS]

00:27:48   they can say okay well I just won't do [TS]

00:27:50   that thing anymore i agree with you that [TS]

00:27:51   was that thing i did was bad i will [TS]

00:27:53   change my ways than going forward I will [TS]

00:27:54   not do that thing because if you label [TS]

00:27:56   them as the misogynist then everything [TS]

00:27:58   to do from then on it's like well I'll [TS]

00:27:59   just regard everything he does cuz he's [TS]

00:28:00   a misogynist well if he does not act in [TS]

00:28:03   that way going forward then he's not you [TS]

00:28:05   know so I'm over I'm talking around in [TS]

00:28:08   circles in this but basically I'm a big [TS]

00:28:10   proponent of the idea of condemning [TS]

00:28:12   things that people do and say and their [TS]

00:28:14   actions and policies and stuff rather [TS]

00:28:16   than labeling them because once you [TS]

00:28:18   label somebody and it ends constructive [TS]

00:28:21   discourse alright um and that's for the [TS]

00:28:24   topic of that last show about you know [TS]

00:28:26   fakie girls and misogyny and all that [TS]

00:28:28   stuff I'm really surprised I didn't get [TS]

00:28:31   any feedback condemning me for pitching [TS]

00:28:34   myself such a softball like no way what [TS]

00:28:37   do you what do you mean by bold stand [TS]

00:28:39   against misogyny on the next show we're [TS]

00:28:41   gonna talk about how I feel about [TS]

00:28:42   killing puppies and stealing from the [TS]

00:28:43   elderly like it's you know it's such a [TS]

00:28:45   softball like what am I gonna do it on [TS]

00:28:46   I'm gonna be for it it's gonna be pro [TS]

00:28:48   misogyny like it's really it's you're [TS]

00:28:52   saying we did it was it was two years [TS]

00:28:54   too easy for you to take the side that [TS]

00:28:57   you talk I mean I just thought I need to [TS]

00:29:00   be said in those kind of obvious but [TS]

00:29:01   it's not like it's not you know it's not [TS]

00:29:03   a controversial issue in it in hindsight [TS]

00:29:05   is probably why I didn't get a lot of [TS]

00:29:06   hate mail about it is because like what [TS]

00:29:08   am I you know other people who are pro [TS]

00:29:10   misogyny gonna write me and tell me [TS]

00:29:11   actually you're wrong and we should [TS]

00:29:13   really hate all women like I guess maybe [TS]

00:29:16   those people are out there but they did [TS]

00:29:17   they're not listening to the show right [TS]

00:29:18   but it really was it was a softball like [TS]

00:29:21   I'm not I'm not tackling a topic where I [TS]

00:29:24   really had to think hard about what the [TS]

00:29:26   the answer is there and uh but there are [TS]

00:29:29   much more complex facets to this and a [TS]

00:29:33   lot of people did bring up the more [TS]

00:29:34   complex things one of them is the can I [TS]

00:29:37   say di ck on the show and we won't get [TS]

00:29:39   do it do it I don't get to get bleed [TS]

00:29:41   euler like that do it because it could [TS]

00:29:43   be the short version of some persons [TS]

00:29:45   name was mother named him race I try to [TS]

00:29:47   do it uh so the penny arcade dick wolves [TS]

00:29:50   controversy you're familiar with this [TS]

00:29:51   okay I need this explain to me because [TS]

00:29:54   other people have made reference to this [TS]

00:29:56   I don't know what it is and I'm I'm [TS]

00:29:58   please explain this yeah people not in [TS]

00:30:00   penny arcade circles might not know what [TS]

00:30:01   is this different from rape wolf that's [TS]

00:30:03   the same thing okay so i put links in [TS]

00:30:06   the show notes to this topic one is an [TS]

00:30:09   article by all on all lowercase Arthur [TS]

00:30:12   hyphen IGN whose real name I could not [TS]

00:30:14   find the title of his thing is on dick [TS]

00:30:18   wolves ethics and why I'm not attending [TS]

00:30:21   pax east and it is kind of a personal [TS]

00:30:23   explanation of how this issue made him [TS]

00:30:26   decide not to attend pax east and then [TS]

00:30:29   he linked to when I also put in the show [TS]

00:30:30   notes I link on a site called debacle [TS]

00:30:33   tumblr com which is the pratfall of [TS]

00:30:36   Penny Arcade a timeline it is a timeline [TS]

00:30:38   trying to be a dispassionate timeline [TS]

00:30:40   all the events that happened in this [TS]

00:30:42   controversies you want if you want to [TS]

00:30:43   see either someone's reaction to it in [TS]

00:30:46   summary or just like a timeline of like [TS]

00:30:47   this happened then this happened in this [TS]

00:30:49   happen this happen you can read both of [TS]

00:30:51   those now I don't want to get into this [TS]

00:30:53   issue mostly because it is a complex [TS]

00:30:55   issue and it's not where some place [TS]

00:30:57   where i can say all party a is totally [TS]

00:30:58   riding the other side is totally wrong [TS]

00:30:59   or vice versa so there are nuances on [TS]

00:31:01   both sides of this uh I I think the [TS]

00:31:05   people who asked me like what do you [TS]

00:31:06   think about this issue or whatever [TS]

00:31:08   my best answer to it is a blog post that [TS]

00:31:12   I wrote on my blog that never gets [TS]

00:31:15   posted too but I wrote this blog post [TS]

00:31:16   many months before the dick balls [TS]

00:31:19   controversy erupted right when I read it [TS]

00:31:21   I'm like I must have written this [TS]

00:31:22   afterwards because this must have been [TS]

00:31:23   like my way of like responding to the [TS]

00:31:25   dick bolts thing without addressing a [TS]

00:31:27   director but then it looked at the dates [TS]

00:31:28   I'm like no this was months before the [TS]

00:31:30   dick bulbs thing but i think it is [TS]

00:31:31   entirely relevant and related so if you [TS]

00:31:33   want to see sort of a somewhat oblique [TS]

00:31:35   answer to this entire controversy or [TS]

00:31:37   where I've come down on it you can read [TS]

00:31:40   this post it's called no movie for Old [TS]

00:31:41   Men it's at my hypercritical co website [TS]

00:31:45   which was previously siracusa tumblr com [TS]

00:31:48   the ball three direct to each other and [TS]

00:31:51   that will give you an answer to the [TS]

00:31:53   question of what do you think of that [TS]

00:31:54   big controversy I'd like I said I don't [TS]

00:31:56   want to talk about it because it's not [TS]

00:31:57   it's a type of thing we're both you know [TS]

00:32:01   I don't I say both sides are equally [TS]

00:32:03   wrong about such weekly earth is there [TS]

00:32:04   not there is there is an imbalance [TS]

00:32:05   they're out here here's my summer who [TS]

00:32:07   people wanting or something i think the [TS]

00:32:08   penny arcade guys are well-intentioned [TS]

00:32:11   but did some very that reacted very [TS]

00:32:13   poorly again that's what talking about [TS]

00:32:15   you know saying what they did and what [TS]

00:32:16   that versus what they are i don't think [TS]

00:32:18   they are any kind of horrible human [TS]

00:32:20   beings i think all their motivations are [TS]

00:32:22   good but i think a lot of their actions [TS]

00:32:23   were not good and on the other side i [TS]

00:32:27   think there was a lack of understanding [TS]

00:32:28   about you know why the penny arcade guys [TS]

00:32:32   had such bad reactions because again not [TS]

00:32:34   not understanding to excuse it but [TS]

00:32:36   understanding because if you understand [TS]

00:32:37   why it is that they're acting that way [TS]

00:32:39   you're better able to help them also [TS]

00:32:40   their behavior versus just trying to [TS]

00:32:42   condemn them so it was just a bad [TS]

00:32:43   situation all around and there were no [TS]

00:32:46   winners in this and you can read all [TS]

00:32:48   about it if you want i know they didn't [TS]

00:32:52   explain it to you Dan but you're [TS]

00:32:53   actually interested if you I will have [TS]

00:32:54   to research that's all right you will [TS]

00:32:56   get it and so this is this is how wimpy [TS]

00:32:58   Amma on the strobe is I don't think like [TS]

00:33:00   you know the reason i picked up the [TS]

00:33:02   softball topic last time is cousinly you [TS]

00:33:03   know it needs to be talked about and a [TS]

00:33:05   part of it was because i think it [TS]

00:33:06   shouldn't be such a softball and i [TS]

00:33:07   couldn't stand seeing this debate around [TS]

00:33:09   it because it's like this is cut and [TS]

00:33:10   dried you know simple no real [TS]

00:33:14   controversy we should be clear on this [TS]

00:33:15   fake geek girl think it's ridiculous and [TS]

00:33:17   that i was totally willing to take a [TS]

00:33:19   stand on because it's sort of you know [TS]

00:33:21   criticism of geek culture which is [TS]

00:33:23   podcast is about the nuanced issues I [TS]

00:33:25   would rather have people sort out on [TS]

00:33:27   their own and not try to come down with [TS]

00:33:30   like nope this is the way it is on that [TS]

00:33:31   particular sorry if you're disappointed [TS]

00:33:32   by that but this is in the end not worth [TS]

00:33:35   a podcast about it's a podcast about [TS]

00:33:38   whatever you want it to be about I know [TS]

00:33:41   but this is what I wanted to be about [TS]

00:33:42   all right so another link that a bunch [TS]

00:33:45   of people sent me that I thought was [TS]

00:33:46   interesting this one I think was the [TS]

00:33:48   first person to send it to me and I'm [TS]

00:33:50   reading his name because he provided a [TS]

00:33:51   pronunciation yay uh Cameron higbee nay [TS]

00:33:55   can or nay can the can yeah it is [TS]

00:34:00   entitled five geek social fallacies it [TS]

00:34:02   is by Michael Oh another guy with a [TS]

00:34:05   hyphenated last name Suliban Wilson [TS]

00:34:07   maybe it is from 2003 so ancient in [TS]

00:34:11   internet time yet I had never seen it [TS]

00:34:13   before today and the social fallacy is [TS]

00:34:16   there they're abbreviated in the article [TS]

00:34:17   GSF number one two three four five segi [TS]

00:34:21   social fallacy number one geek social [TS]

00:34:23   policy number one I think is the most [TS]

00:34:24   relevant to the previous discussion [TS]

00:34:26   here's the definition from the article [TS]

00:34:28   in its pathological form GSF one [TS]

00:34:30   prevents its carrier from participating [TS]

00:34:32   in or tolerating the exclusion of anyone [TS]

00:34:34   from anything be at a party comic book [TS]

00:34:36   store or web forum no matter how [TS]

00:34:38   obnoxious offensive or aromatic the [TS]

00:34:40   perspective excluding may be so this is [TS]

00:34:42   kind of like recognized GSF one is this [TS]

00:34:47   you know the fallacy that all ostracized [TS]

00:34:50   or evil in that if you exclude anyone [TS]

00:34:51   from anything it's terrible and I think [TS]

00:34:53   people were sending this link because as [TS]

00:34:55   a reaction to me saying that geek [TS]

00:34:57   culture is at its best as a [TS]

00:34:58   judgment-free zone and supposed to be [TS]

00:35:00   inclusive you shouldn't be excluding [TS]

00:35:01   other people uh I don't think that the [TS]

00:35:06   points in this thing and the point [TS]

00:35:08   amount of the fat show are opposed at [TS]

00:35:10   all because there's quite a range [TS]

00:35:11   between being best friends with somebody [TS]

00:35:14   and being actively hostile to them and [TS]

00:35:17   denying them the right to even [TS]

00:35:18   self-identify as the thing that you [TS]

00:35:19   identify at right that's what I was [TS]

00:35:21   railing against you can't tell someone [TS]

00:35:22   they can't call themselves a geek or are [TS]

00:35:24   faking or just a terrible person right [TS]

00:35:26   that's that's what you can't do it [TS]

00:35:28   doesn't mean you have to be their best [TS]

00:35:29   friend and hang out with them every day [TS]

00:35:30   like there's no and so this this geek [TS]

00:35:34   social fallacy [TS]

00:35:35   number one thing is like not only can [TS]

00:35:37   you not be a terrible person to them and [TS]

00:35:39   deny them their own basic rights of [TS]

00:35:41   self-identification and say they don't [TS]

00:35:43   they can't possibly belong to your group [TS]

00:35:45   but you have to like invite them to all [TS]

00:35:48   your birthday parties and that's totally [TS]

00:35:49   not what I'm saying like this huge range [TS]

00:35:51   all I'm saying is don't be a terrible [TS]

00:35:53   person to other people and don't deny [TS]

00:35:55   them their basic rights but it doesn't [TS]

00:35:57   mean you must there you know like I can [TS]

00:35:59   imagine maybe this metastasizes in like [TS]

00:36:00   you know the the best parts of geek [TS]

00:36:03   culture of like being close and [TS]

00:36:04   everything you know it extends like no [TS]

00:36:06   not only do you have to be inclusive but [TS]

00:36:08   everybody has to be friends with [TS]

00:36:09   everybody I mean that I think that's [TS]

00:36:10   ridiculous and I guess that's why it's a [TS]

00:36:11   social fallacy but apparently this does [TS]

00:36:14   happen like reading through this geek [TS]

00:36:15   social fallacy things I'll read off the [TS]

00:36:17   title son they've got social policies [TS]

00:36:19   number one through five so one is [TS]

00:36:21   ostracized or evil to as friends accept [TS]

00:36:24   me as I am three is friendship before [TS]

00:36:26   all for his friendship is transitive [TS]

00:36:28   meaning if I'm friends with you and I'm [TS]

00:36:30   friends with him than you and him should [TS]

00:36:31   be friends and five is friends do [TS]

00:36:33   everything together and if you read [TS]

00:36:36   these geek social fallacies they did [TS]

00:36:37   none of them really rang true to me [TS]

00:36:38   because I guess none of my circles or [TS]

00:36:40   friends behave like this but i have seen [TS]

00:36:42   at a distance groups that appeared to [TS]

00:36:45   behave this way so i totally believe [TS]

00:36:46   that these are rooted in something this [TS]

00:36:48   is more like a sort of self-help thing [TS]

00:36:50   for like how to better interact with [TS]

00:36:52   other people successfully aimed at geeks [TS]

00:36:55   emphasizing the things that geeks may [TS]

00:36:57   you know because i guess it could happen [TS]

00:37:00   like you go too far in the other [TS]

00:37:01   direction and try to be accepting to [TS]

00:37:03   everybody and that extends to like [TS]

00:37:04   inviting everybody for your birthday [TS]

00:37:06   party and just becomes a disaster they [TS]

00:37:09   also talk about why fyp which is your [TS]

00:37:12   feelings your problem and i think i may [TS]

00:37:14   have that one a little bit more than [TS]

00:37:15   other people I think it'll small dose of [TS]

00:37:17   that is a is healthy actually but uh and [TS]

00:37:21   then why have YP carriers deal with [TS]

00:37:23   other people's fallacies by ignoring [TS]

00:37:24   them entirely in the process require a [TS]

00:37:26   reputation for being charmless lee tact [TS]

00:37:28   tactless yeah that's probably me so [TS]

00:37:31   anyway read the article maybe if you if [TS]

00:37:33   you can identify the things in it maybe [TS]

00:37:35   it can help you but i think it is not in [TS]

00:37:37   opposition to anything I said last time [TS]

00:37:39   and if people misinterpreted what I was [TS]

00:37:42   saying as you have to be best friends [TS]

00:37:43   with everybody in the world that was [TS]

00:37:44   definitely not it [TS]

00:37:45   alright it's okay to not like everyone [TS]

00:37:49   right you just just can't be a jerk I [TS]

00:37:51   just don't be a jerk about it no why [TS]

00:37:54   exactly you know that's what being X [TS]

00:37:56   onto each other means it doesn't mean [TS]

00:37:57   being best friends with everybody [TS]

00:37:58   doesn't mean you have to hang out with [TS]

00:37:59   everybody and talk everybody but [TS]

00:38:00   everything it just means like you can't [TS]

00:38:01   go up and say I hate you and everything [TS]

00:38:05   you say about yourself is false and I [TS]

00:38:07   deny the reality of any of your feelings [TS]

00:38:09   or interests that's a big range there [TS]

00:38:11   you know don't do that but you know [TS]

00:38:13   alright and finally this this last put a [TS]

00:38:17   piece of geek culture feedback is more [TS]

00:38:18   like an extension of last show and it's [TS]

00:38:20   very succinct so I'm just gonna read it [TS]

00:38:21   all off this is from John last name [TS]

00:38:23   withheld uh he says is he related [TS]

00:38:27   together last name withheld guy that's [TS]

00:38:30   that's an in joke that you don't need to [TS]

00:38:33   get it did I ever do that before maybe [TS]

00:38:36   I'm repeating myself I probably did [TS]

00:38:37   alright so he says in his screed Tony [TS]

00:38:40   Harrison mostly concerned with [TS]

00:38:42   establishing that female cosplayers have [TS]

00:38:44   no power over him sexually this under [TS]

00:38:46   scares underscore is a male anxiety that [TS]

00:38:48   isn't only a nerd concern but may be [TS]

00:38:50   particularly troubling to nerds one of [TS]

00:38:52   the traits of masculinity is supposed to [TS]

00:38:53   be in vulnerability or a move ability [TS]

00:38:55   but truth to tell male sexual response [TS]

00:38:57   it's mostly involuntary ass like [TS]

00:38:59   excitement comes when it comes in pop [TS]

00:39:01   culture there's a myth of the swab [TS]

00:39:03   dispassionate man who could take sexual [TS]

00:39:04   pleasure on his own terms but is in no [TS]

00:39:06   way under the thrall of women characters [TS]

00:39:08   like James Bond can remain unmoved by [TS]

00:39:10   the women throw themselves at an [TS]

00:39:12   interesting article about how this plays [TS]

00:39:14   out in the works of Raymond Chandler is [TS]

00:39:16   here and you know in typical it snob [TS]

00:39:18   fashion he gives me the link to this [TS]

00:39:20   Raymond Chandler thing maybe that's not [TS]

00:39:21   a little snob thing maybe that's just a [TS]

00:39:22   literary person thing but anyway I put [TS]

00:39:24   the link in the show notes you want to [TS]

00:39:25   read about how that works in Raymond [TS]

00:39:27   Chandler novels for nerds who are [TS]

00:39:30   regularly accused of being less than men [TS]

00:39:32   the desire to present an impervious [TS]

00:39:34   front is strong so think this is a you [TS]

00:39:37   know again i'm not sure i said here's [TS]

00:39:38   one explanation or cause of misogyny [TS]

00:39:42   here is another one the idea that [TS]

00:39:44   masculinity is shown to be unmoved by [TS]

00:39:47   things and yet men you know inevitably [TS]

00:39:51   are heterosexual men and Everly are [TS]

00:39:53   moved by things that they find sexually [TS]

00:39:55   attractive and you're supposed to not be [TS]

00:39:57   right and so [TS]

00:39:59   just massaging is manifesting itself is [TS]

00:40:02   trying to fight against that and say you [TS]

00:40:04   you don't have power over me sexually [TS]

00:40:06   revolting against these feelings that [TS]

00:40:07   are inside themselves about you know the [TS]

00:40:09   control that these females seem to have [TS]

00:40:10   so I thought that was a good explanation [TS]

00:40:14   and he has another bit at the end here [TS]

00:40:15   the one thing the Harrison too many [TS]

00:40:18   other men also assume is that women are [TS]

00:40:19   on display for the benefit of men those [TS]

00:40:21   who cosplay do it for a variety of you [TS]

00:40:23   reasons unique to themselves including [TS]

00:40:25   interest in the character is the [TS]

00:40:26   challenge of the craft the community [TS]

00:40:27   self-expression some may be involved in [TS]

00:40:30   sexualizing display but it's wrong to [TS]

00:40:31   assume that even these are doing it for [TS]

00:40:34   your pleasure or notice the fallacy is [TS]

00:40:36   that if you read someone's outfit and [TS]

00:40:37   this includes regular clothes as well as [TS]

00:40:39   dress-up clothes a sexually provocative [TS]

00:40:40   that the wearer had you in mind when she [TS]

00:40:43   chose it all all very true all one of [TS]

00:40:46   the you know many many more reasons for [TS]

00:40:48   misogyny I picked up I thought that was [TS]

00:40:50   the biggest gimme this is probably like [TS]

00:40:52   second or third place ah so thanks John [TS]

00:40:55   for that feedback the whole article that [TS]

00:40:58   i almost put in here from crack calms [TS]

00:41:00   you know cracked com no I can't I [TS]

00:41:03   couldn't tell I thought crack on was a [TS]

00:41:05   humor website as article was like it was [TS]

00:41:07   about similar topics like you know how [TS]

00:41:10   men are trained to hate women by modern [TS]

00:41:12   society or something like that and like [TS]

00:41:14   it says if it's a humorous site there [TS]

00:41:15   would be more jokes but it was a serious [TS]

00:41:17   site it would be less crude and [TS]

00:41:19   offensive so I couldn't decide and I [TS]

00:41:20   just didn't put the link in so if you [TS]

00:41:22   want to look that up you can't yourself [TS]

00:41:24   I didn't the guard achill was that great [TS]

00:41:25   but tried to make some of these similar [TS]

00:41:27   points mixed in with a bunch of terrible [TS]

00:41:28   points all right I think that's it for [TS]

00:41:32   the follow-up okay sponsor time yeah [TS]

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00:41:39   next time you want a registered domain [TS]

00:41:41   name check them out if you like them [TS]

00:41:45   I'll give you ten percent off code is [TS]

00:41:49   Dan sent me they don't nickel and dime [TS]

00:41:51   you with stuff that's the theme for the [TS]

00:41:52   day for my sponsors today you go there [TS]

00:41:55   you register calm down or whatever I [TS]

00:41:57   like the dot CEO that TV they've got [TS]

00:41:59   most of them not all of them they make [TS]

00:42:02   it really simple little search box type [TS]

00:42:03   in the domain name that you want they'll [TS]

00:42:05   show you if it's available if it's [TS]

00:42:06   available for purchase from like [TS]

00:42:08   somebody else who's selling it they'll [TS]

00:42:09   show you that too if it's available for [TS]

00:42:11   auction they'll show you that too [TS]

00:42:13   if you want to transfer domain from [TS]

00:42:15   somewhere else which is what I'm doing [TS]

00:42:16   pretty much all of my domains they make [TS]

00:42:20   it really easy they have this thing [TS]

00:42:21   called domain transfer valet where they [TS]

00:42:24   do the whole process for you which is [TS]

00:42:26   really great they don't charge for that [TS]

00:42:27   just like they don't charge for who is [TS]

00:42:29   privacy they also have email hosting [TS]

00:42:31   they do charge for that if you want it [TS]

00:42:33   there are tons and tons of really really [TS]

00:42:36   great services I mean they put their [TS]

00:42:38   toll free number right on the front page [TS]

00:42:40   and they've gotta know hold policy you [TS]

00:42:42   just pick up the phone and you call them [TS]

00:42:44   in someone answers and it will help you [TS]

00:42:46   they also have built-in dns management [TS]

00:42:50   which is that's where I'm hosting my dns [TS]

00:42:51   now so go check them out hover com / dan [TS]

00:42:56   sent me you will find that you receive [TS]

00:42:59   automatically a 10-percent discount [TS]

00:43:01   you're already customer you already have [TS]

00:43:03   stuff in your shopping cart so use the [TS]

00:43:05   code dan sent me you get the ten percent [TS]

00:43:07   off so go check them out thanks very [TS]

00:43:09   very much toddler for making this show [TS]

00:43:10   possible it's a time for the questions [TS]

00:43:16   and answer section it's time for the [TS]

00:43:18   queues and possibly the A's depending on [TS]

00:43:20   what the queues are these kinds of [TS]

00:43:23   questions that are collected right here [TS]

00:43:26   you have for the record you have not [TS]

00:43:28   seen well you maybe you've seen them [TS]

00:43:31   because I asked on Twitter and you could [TS]

00:43:34   have been following along but you [TS]

00:43:35   messaged me early on and you said I hope [TS]

00:43:38   you're collecting these questions [TS]

00:43:39   because I'm not and I said I am and so [TS]

00:43:43   here are the questions and these are [TS]

00:43:45   these are things that vary dramatically [TS]

00:43:51   everything from specific programming [TS]

00:43:53   questions all the way to very broad [TS]

00:43:54   things but i'll start with this one [TS]

00:43:55   actually before you start okay they want [TS]

00:43:58   the people in the chat room to know that [TS]

00:43:59   yes you can still ask questions or [TS]

00:44:00   follow ups in the chat room the whole [TS]

00:44:02   point is it's not like you know it's not [TS]

00:44:04   like dan has the preset list of [TS]

00:44:05   questions and no more questions come in [TS]

00:44:06   if something flies by in the chat room [TS]

00:44:08   we think it's interesting we'll grab it [TS]

00:44:09   if it's a follow-up for something I'm [TS]

00:44:10   talking about it's the Wild West there [TS]

00:44:12   is no system there is no queue you do [TS]

00:44:14   not take a number you're you are at the [TS]

00:44:17   mercy of Dan and Haddie in me all right [TS]

00:44:19   patty watch a chat Ruben if you see [TS]

00:44:21   something good grab it okay she says she [TS]

00:44:23   will and by the way my first answer is [TS]

00:44:25   that my first name has an agent [TS]

00:44:27   just the people out there how do you [TS]

00:44:29   spell your name joh this question see I [TS]

00:44:33   did get some of mine and this question [TS]

00:44:35   asked is from Bradley chambers and he [TS]

00:44:38   says what was John's favorite episode of [TS]

00:44:41   hypercritical and as a second part part [TS]

00:44:44   2 what podcasts does John listen to i'm [TS]

00:44:48   gonna give the standard a child favorite [TS]

00:44:52   answer to the podcast question do you [TS]

00:44:54   know what that answer is him uh all of [TS]

00:44:57   them Oh like I can't worth lookin I how [TS]

00:45:00   can i pick my favorites like picking [TS]

00:45:01   your favorite child um i don't know i [TS]

00:45:03   don't i really don't know i could never [TS]

00:45:05   pick a number one favorite I like kind [TS]

00:45:06   of the same episodes and most people [TS]

00:45:07   like you know uh I like the like toaster [TS]

00:45:13   episode like Steve Jobs episode I like [TS]

00:45:15   the Mac os10 follow-up episodes okay I [TS]

00:45:17   let me like all the popular ones i have [TS]

00:45:20   no favorite let me riff off that one [TS]

00:45:22   which hypercritical episode do you think [TS]

00:45:26   is the best representation of [TS]

00:45:29   hypercritical oh that's tough because [TS]

00:45:33   like there are ones that that stick to [TS]

00:45:37   the format the closest but they're not [TS]

00:45:38   necessarily the best my main problem is [TS]

00:45:41   as always that I am an old person and [TS]

00:45:43   can't remember anything I can barely [TS]

00:45:44   remember those I can barely remember the [TS]

00:45:47   vodkas like sometimes they only come up [TS]

00:45:49   like oh I wait a second didn't we do a [TS]

00:45:50   show about right that's that's how you [TS]

00:45:53   know you're getting old when you're you [TS]

00:45:54   you can be reminded about something that [TS]

00:45:56   you yourself have done oh you're not [TS]

00:45:57   that long ago it happens all the time I [TS]

00:46:00   think it really depends on your interest [TS]

00:46:03   because the the problem is I think a lot [TS]

00:46:04   of the episodes are like I come out and [TS]

00:46:06   I golike that was exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:46:08   to do but if no one is interested in [TS]

00:46:09   that topic it you know people go all [TS]

00:46:11   that episode stunk like but it raised if [TS]

00:46:13   you happen to be really into model [TS]

00:46:14   trains and I happen to do half of a show [TS]

00:46:16   about model trains like a good example [TS]

00:46:17   is the video game controller episode if [TS]

00:46:19   you don't care about video games or [TS]

00:46:20   controllers those that show is like [TS]

00:46:22   death right but if you really care about [TS]

00:46:24   video games of control is like oh that's [TS]

00:46:25   my favorite one right so maybe that's [TS]

00:46:28   the most quintessential episode fix it [TS]

00:46:29   so polarizing because where I really got [TS]

00:46:32   uh you know down and detailed into a [TS]

00:46:34   topic that I but think about just [TS]

00:46:36   reflect if you will on the the Steve [TS]

00:46:39   Jobs autobuyer [TS]

00:46:40   auto the Steve Jobs biography book when [TS]

00:46:42   you talked about that to me to me that [TS]

00:46:46   one or maybe the toaster episode are as [TS]

00:46:50   you would say textbook or quintessential [TS]

00:46:53   hypercritical that I feel like if [TS]

00:46:55   somebody could listen to either of those [TS]

00:46:57   episodes maybe it's the toaster not yeah [TS]

00:47:00   like if you can listen that toaster [TS]

00:47:02   episode if you enjoy that you're gonna [TS]

00:47:04   you you get it you totally get it and [TS]

00:47:06   you're gonna yeah I was things like you [TS]

00:47:09   know it really depends on if you can [TS]

00:47:11   relate to you know I got all excited [TS]

00:47:13   about these topics that I'm interested [TS]

00:47:14   in you have to be able to to a maybe [TS]

00:47:17   you're not excited about toaster there's [TS]

00:47:19   gotta be something in your life that [TS]

00:47:20   makes you feel that way and if you're [TS]

00:47:22   just a laid back kind of person doesn't [TS]

00:47:23   care about the stuff and just sounds [TS]

00:47:24   like complaining all right so so i don't [TS]

00:47:26   know i don't have a good answer to that [TS]

00:47:28   one either there's gonna be a theme of [TS]

00:47:30   both diseases that I you don't have [TS]

00:47:32   answers or don't have a good answer well [TS]

00:47:33   and to continue this eric price asks [TS]

00:47:35   what are some of the topics you'd [TS]

00:47:36   planned to discussed but had I not [TS]

00:47:38   actually we skipped over the second part [TS]

00:47:40   of that question oh I remember that far [TS]

00:47:42   back in my history it was the blonde [TS]

00:47:44   also know the other podcasts that I [TS]

00:47:46   listened to a lot of people asked this [TS]

00:47:48   all the time i was thinking of there's [TS]

00:47:49   nothing i have to do is on the fly show [TS]

00:47:51   notes or keep track of what need to put [TS]

00:47:53   in the show it said the blister podcast [TS]

00:47:55   i listened to is not better shattering [TS]

00:47:57   like at various times I've listened to [TS]

00:47:59   almost all the five by five shows [TS]

00:48:01   there's just too many of them and I [TS]

00:48:02   can't fit them all in so I've pared it [TS]

00:48:04   down I mean rattle off every single five [TS]

00:48:07   by five shove it listen to Marco shell [TS]

00:48:09   it's back to work you know I was [TS]

00:48:11   amplified when I have a chance which is [TS]

00:48:13   rare these days I listen to all the [TS]

00:48:16   incomparable zuv course periodically [TS]

00:48:19   I'll listen to they are the shows the [TS]

00:48:21   topics grab me but like you know [TS]

00:48:23   basically go through anything by five by [TS]

00:48:25   five if you see a show that's on the [TS]

00:48:26   topic you think you like then listen to [TS]

00:48:28   it so I endorse all those the ones that [TS]

00:48:31   everyone listens to everyone I don't [TS]

00:48:34   know fresh air all things considered not [TS]

00:48:36   all things considered fresh air what's [TS]

00:48:38   the other one hour glass This American [TS]

00:48:41   Life yes this American what I mean you [TS]

00:48:43   know is that our shattering you know [TS]

00:48:45   radiolab things a little bit of radiolab [TS]

00:48:48   like the number of subscriptions in my [TS]

00:48:50   podcast section and itunes is huge like [TS]

00:48:52   that there's no way i can listen ma [TS]

00:48:53   I think it's like over a hundred right [TS]

00:48:55   and I just pick and choose what I'm in [TS]

00:48:57   the mood for anthro Mon that you look [TS]

00:48:58   nice today I listen to a Roderick on the [TS]

00:49:01   line is a great one maybe these like [TS]

00:49:02   those are like the lesser-known maybe [TS]

00:49:04   like if you if you like back to work but [TS]

00:49:06   don't listen to the you look nice today [TS]

00:49:07   erotic online you should Planet Money [TS]

00:49:10   the talk show like people i'm just [TS]

00:49:12   reading stuff off the people right in [TS]

00:49:13   the chat room geek Friday Creek Friday [TS]

00:49:15   actually do listen to pretty regularly [TS]

00:49:17   not our showering the ones that the few [TS]

00:49:21   gems i think i have that at points that [TS]

00:49:23   i've said before is one if you don't [TS]

00:49:24   listen to the flophouse you should which [TS]

00:49:26   is a podcast where they listen they [TS]

00:49:27   watch bad movies and complain about them [TS]

00:49:29   and you can understand why that might [TS]

00:49:31   appeal to me and not just because my [TS]

00:49:33   friend's brother is part of the show and [TS]

00:49:36   the other podcast i listen to let's just [TS]

00:49:38   started is danna tech podcast which i [TS]

00:49:41   think is great in-depth nerdy stuff i'll [TS]

00:49:42   since it wasn't core intuition guy [TS]

00:49:46   English's couple of shows he's got one [TS]

00:49:48   called ad hoc where a bunch of people [TS]

00:49:50   talk about stuff he's got one called [TS]

00:49:51   debug where he talks to developers edge [TS]

00:49:53   cases with wool french so many podcasts [TS]

00:49:56   I'm like I'm not gonna lead down my I [TS]

00:49:58   read now imagine things but those those [TS]

00:50:01   are my suggestions for rarities mi nah [TS]

00:50:04   know about Roderick on the line the [TS]

00:50:05   flophouse on the anima tech podcast you [TS]

00:50:09   may not have heard of made up into and [TS]

00:50:10   if you listen to the show you might like [TS]

00:50:12   them so there you go alright then you [TS]

00:50:15   were gonna continue with the next [TS]

00:50:15   question yeah I'm kind of related to [TS]

00:50:17   that one Eric price what are some of the [TS]

00:50:19   topics you'd planned to discussed but [TS]

00:50:21   haven't gotten to before ending show [TS]

00:50:22   none like I said in the previous show I [TS]

00:50:25   had a list of topics I got to all them [TS]

00:50:27   and you know and then some there's [TS]

00:50:29   nothing on my original list that I did [TS]

00:50:31   not get to talk about all right I'm [TS]

00:50:34   looking at some I'm trying to decide [TS]

00:50:37   where we can take this let's see someone [TS]

00:50:41   said the flophouse Sun solar Howard this [TS]

00:50:43   game made no accept no substitutes the [TS]

00:50:45   flop house is the one the only the [TS]

00:50:47   original as far as I'm concerned ah the [TS]

00:50:50   best bed movie podcast don't listen to [TS]

00:50:52   the how did this get made don't listen [TS]

00:50:53   to those other ones you want the flop [TS]

00:50:55   ass and by the way the flop house is one [TS]

00:50:57   of those shows kind of like [TS]

00:50:58   hypercritical where you have to actually [TS]

00:51:00   listen from the beginning it's been off [TS]

00:51:02   like five years you're gonna feel like I [TS]

00:51:03   know listen I'm gonna go back five years [TS]

00:51:04   and listen to this stuff uh yeah that's [TS]

00:51:07   the only way [TS]

00:51:07   works it's the only way work you gotta [TS]

00:51:09   go back five years and you gotta plow [TS]

00:51:10   through min order and then finally you [TS]

00:51:11   can appreciate the current episode it's [TS]

00:51:14   worth it okay all right um PES pengelley [TS]

00:51:20   asks what your top 5 video favorite [TS]

00:51:23   video games are of all time and if they [TS]

00:51:28   are still you know if they still hold up [TS]

00:51:32   if there's something we should play or [TS]

00:51:33   if they're just you know memories and [TS]

00:51:35   things that you have that you enjoy yeah [TS]

00:51:36   if I had to pick my top five I would not [TS]

00:51:39   pick based on like memories you know [TS]

00:51:41   like I'll enjoyed playing load runners [TS]

00:51:42   kid or whatever huh I would pick based [TS]

00:51:44   on what I think the quality the games [TS]

00:51:45   are today I'm like I'm so this way this [TS]

00:51:48   would not exclude modern era consoles [TS]

00:51:50   this would because we had a question [TS]

00:51:51   from Alan Starnes who said what about [TS]

00:51:53   that if you were to exclude modern era [TS]

00:51:55   consoles well I don't I don't think you [TS]

00:51:57   need to answer I say just just [TS]

00:51:59   everything that's available to you know [TS]

00:52:00   that could have been played or whatever [TS]

00:52:02   i'm gonna go with like ocarina of time [TS]

00:52:04   Mary 64 a shadow of the colossus eco [TS]

00:52:08   journey like this just off the top of my [TS]

00:52:11   head no no ordering implied there that's [TS]

00:52:13   that's an easy top 5 to pull out maybe [TS]

00:52:15   I'm forgetting some in there but that's [TS]

00:52:18   that's an easy top 5 and some of those [TS]

00:52:20   are current generation some of them are [TS]

00:52:22   not like did you can t go and shadow the [TS]

00:52:23   Colossus as current generation because [TS]

00:52:25   they have ps3 ports there were both [TS]

00:52:26   original ps2 games that's where I [TS]

00:52:27   originally played oh yeah those are [TS]

00:52:31   that's that's a short list and it's not [TS]

00:52:32   an odd particularly shocking shortlist [TS]

00:52:34   if you listen to the show because I [TS]

00:52:35   talked about all those games constantly [TS]

00:52:36   my next appliance when is the person's [TS]

00:52:40   name what is it my next appliance these [TS]

00:52:43   are all that Twitter handles my next I [TS]

00:52:45   know I know what was John's first tech [TS]

00:52:47   device and how did you fall in love with [TS]

00:52:50   tech so I don't know how would you [TS]

00:52:53   define tech device is does that include [TS]

00:52:55   mahut inclined plane I don't yeah I [TS]

00:52:58   don't want smoke ounces technology I [TS]

00:53:00   don't know maybe that's part of the [TS]

00:53:03   question is but bundled into the [TS]

00:53:04   question is how they probably an [TS]

00:53:06   electronic I think they do I think they [TS]

00:53:08   mean like wiz itted you know was it a [TS]

00:53:10   calculator trying to find I think of [TS]

00:53:13   what I signed to her calculator I think [TS]

00:53:15   the vic-20 was the first song is like [TS]

00:53:18   I'm trying to think of remember that [TS]

00:53:18   football game yes [TS]

00:53:20   the red lights yes pick 20 before the [TS]

00:53:23   little football grit know that little [TS]

00:53:25   football game was out way before I know [TS]

00:53:27   it doesn't mean I had it Oh probably my [TS]

00:53:30   mother would have never bought me that [TS]

00:53:31   football game so I probably like got it [TS]

00:53:33   from a friend once it was too old to be [TS]

00:53:34   interesting or something but i think the [TS]

00:53:35   vic-20 was the first thing that captured [TS]

00:53:38   my attention that was clearly a piece of [TS]

00:53:39   technology and what was the second part [TS]

00:53:42   of that question second part of the [TS]

00:53:44   question was how did you fall in love [TS]

00:53:46   with tech yeah I think it all took was [TS]

00:53:49   the vic-20 like that you could hook [TS]

00:53:50   something up to your television and you [TS]

00:53:52   could press buttons on it and things [TS]

00:53:53   would appear in your television because [TS]

00:53:55   up to that point in my life the [TS]

00:53:56   television was merely something that's [TS]

00:53:58   sent out information but now I could do [TS]

00:54:00   things that would show up on the [TS]

00:54:01   television it was mad you controlled the [TS]

00:54:04   television it's like it's you know your [TS]

00:54:06   life is defined by like what the [TS]

00:54:08   television is no Sesame Street and [TS]

00:54:09   Muppet Show wherever you know it's like [TS]

00:54:11   this amazing box word entertainment [TS]

00:54:13   comes out and like and it totally flips [TS]

00:54:14   it like guess what no now you can put [TS]

00:54:16   stuff in there's like no way you know [TS]

00:54:18   people don't understand how crazy that [TS]

00:54:19   was but i think i think it really was [TS]

00:54:21   key that the thing you hooked it up to [TS]

00:54:23   was a television like it didn't come [TS]

00:54:25   with a monitor wasn't like you know [TS]

00:54:26   modern computer i think that really [TS]

00:54:27   really was key you know it sounds like [TS]

00:54:29   oh that was just this weird transitional [TS]

00:54:31   phase but they didn't have monitors and [TS]

00:54:32   you know they were decided the computer [TS]

00:54:33   but it was important that you were using [TS]

00:54:36   your television as the monitor because [TS]

00:54:38   it was subverting an existing sort of [TS]

00:54:40   relationship that you had with a piece [TS]

00:54:42   of technology in your house Stephen [TS]

00:54:46   Skeldon if you were offered your choice [TS]

00:54:49   of any job within the Apple hierarchy [TS]

00:54:51   what role would you pick and why yeah [TS]

00:54:55   there's only one job that I am qualified [TS]

00:54:57   for at Apple which is Steve Jobs his old [TS]

00:55:00   job which is the job where you tell [TS]

00:55:01   everybody else what to do that's right [TS]

00:55:03   and you know and that there's not an [TS]

00:55:05   opening for that job because they're [TS]

00:55:06   really my only qualification is I have [TS]

00:55:08   strong opinions about things and that's [TS]

00:55:09   probably true of a lot of people like [TS]

00:55:11   you know I don't I'm not an objective C [TS]

00:55:13   programmer I don't do user interface [TS]

00:55:15   design i'm not an electrical engineer [TS]

00:55:17   like I'm useless to the organization in [TS]

00:55:19   any capacity except that one position [TS]

00:55:22   where you tell everybody else what to do [TS]

00:55:24   and rule with an iron fist I'm not [TS]

00:55:25   saying I would do a good job but that is [TS]

00:55:27   the only position i can imagine taking [TS]

00:55:28   it the company other people ask me [TS]

00:55:30   that's actually one of the questions [TS]

00:55:31   yeah have you ever considered working an [TS]

00:55:33   apple uh not really because the first [TS]

00:55:37   thing is that they tend to want their [TS]

00:55:39   employees to be in California and I [TS]

00:55:41   don't want to move to California like I [TS]

00:55:43   said in the past show a lot of who's [TS]

00:55:44   able to hire who has to do with where [TS]

00:55:46   people live and if they wanted me to be [TS]

00:55:48   in California now I want to live in [TS]

00:55:49   california well that's the end of that [TS]

00:55:51   right right and the second is that from [TS]

00:55:53   everything I've heard from people who [TS]

00:55:54   work inside Apple it's not as glamorous [TS]

00:55:56   as you might think it's you know it's a [TS]

00:55:58   corporate stooge job the corporation may [TS]

00:56:00   be a corporation that makes great [TS]

00:56:01   products but it's a corporation and you [TS]

00:56:04   got bosses and middle management and all [TS]

00:56:05   the same things that happen in any other [TS]

00:56:07   company and yeah it's great because you [TS]

00:56:08   get to work on really cool things and if [TS]

00:56:10   you happen to be in the right group you [TS]

00:56:11   can do some really great work and change [TS]

00:56:12   the world and blah blah blah uh but you [TS]

00:56:17   know it's it's just another job right [TS]

00:56:19   like unless you're a guy in charge or [TS]

00:56:21   something really influence stuff I'm not [TS]

00:56:23   sure you know ok so this ties in [TS]

00:56:26   perfectly with alex chance question Tim [TS]

00:56:30   Cook resins tomorrow and appoints you as [TS]

00:56:32   a successor what is the first thing you [TS]

00:56:34   change at apple the first thing because [TS]

00:56:37   it's the easiest gimme is it's difficult [TS]

00:56:39   to know because like what what gimme [TS]

00:56:42   yeah I'm gonna say something but the [TS]

00:56:44   question is what would you change and [TS]

00:56:46   that implies that you know everything [TS]

00:56:47   that Apple is currently doing and we [TS]

00:56:49   don't obviously it's secret so if I go [TS]

00:56:50   in there and if only thing I knew if [TS]

00:56:52   only things that Apple was doing with [TS]

00:56:54   things i know about now the first thing [TS]

00:56:55   i would do would be to start a project [TS]

00:56:58   to make a new file says now maybe [TS]

00:56:59   already they already have a project to [TS]

00:57:01   make a new file system maybe that's [TS]

00:57:02   going to be come out next week I don't [TS]

00:57:03   know but like from the outside like [TS]

00:57:05   that's that's the easiest gimme change [TS]

00:57:07   because they desperately need a new file [TS]

00:57:08   system they've needed it was such a long [TS]

00:57:10   time it's such a key component and [TS]

00:57:12   everything that they do and it's only [TS]

00:57:14   going to become more important over time [TS]

00:57:16   you just cannot have your data on a file [TS]

00:57:17   system that has no idea whether your [TS]

00:57:19   data is correct or not in the routinely [TS]

00:57:20   karups itself it's boring its technical [TS]

00:57:22   it's like oh you're missing the big [TS]

00:57:24   picture blah blah but like it's just a [TS]

00:57:26   gimme day one you go and do that the [TS]

00:57:28   reverse of that the very difficult [TS]

00:57:30   project is that I would go about trying [TS]

00:57:32   to change the company to make it more [TS]

00:57:36   focused on server-side culture if you [TS]

00:57:38   listen to hyper critical for the past [TS]

00:57:39   couple years you know I keep harping on [TS]

00:57:41   this but it's totally true that the way [TS]

00:57:45   which apple is not like Google in terms [TS]

00:57:47   of the focus on the server side hardware [TS]

00:57:49   and software it should I think it should [TS]

00:57:52   be more like them that regard doesn't [TS]

00:57:53   mean you need to take away any of the [TS]

00:57:54   good things that Apple does doesn't mean [TS]

00:57:56   you have to oh you got to make them like [TS]

00:57:57   Google make them bad at all no they stay [TS]

00:57:59   good at the stuff they're good at but [TS]

00:58:01   try to also foster you know maybe it's [TS]

00:58:03   like a part of the company a section of [TS]

00:58:05   the company you just add to the culture [TS]

00:58:06   that be the kind of culture that makes [TS]

00:58:08   you you know write your own [TS]

00:58:10   infrastructure components like you know [TS]

00:58:12   the Google file system or a big table or [TS]

00:58:15   spanner or the apple or Amazon Web [TS]

00:58:18   Services and easy to like that needs to [TS]

00:58:21   go into Apple that kind of culture and [TS]

00:58:23   idea and expertise that needs to happen [TS]

00:58:25   so that would be my my you know so [TS]

00:58:27   there's two two changes one is the [TS]

00:58:29   little tiny one about the file system [TS]

00:58:30   and the other one is big giant company [TS]

00:58:32   wide sweeping philosophical and both of [TS]

00:58:35   those probably sound like terrible [TS]

00:58:37   answers because like I said people think [TS]

00:58:38   that the little one about the file [TS]

00:58:40   system is unimportant and it's missing [TS]

00:58:41   to the forest of the trees and people [TS]

00:58:42   think the other one is gonna turn up [TS]

00:58:43   went to Google and make them bad at all [TS]

00:58:45   the stuff that they're good at and I [TS]

00:58:47   would try to avoid that okay so this is [TS]

00:58:49   a kind of addressing Glen Gray's [TS]

00:58:51   question where he says aside from the [TS]

00:58:55   HFS plus file system replacement what [TS]

00:58:57   technology do you think Mac OS 10 or OS [TS]

00:59:00   10 as you say is sorely missing at this [TS]

00:59:02   point uh well I'm already harped on the [TS]

00:59:08   language and API issue with Objective C [TS]

00:59:10   I don't think you can keep going on [TS]

00:59:11   forever altering objective-c I like to [TS]

00:59:14   see a better language that I'm not sure [TS]

00:59:15   if that would count as an operating [TS]

00:59:16   system feature what I would focus on i [TS]

00:59:19   think that there's been a lack of really [TS]

00:59:21   interesting stuff going on in the kernel [TS]

00:59:23   space i was just talking earlier today [TS]

00:59:26   about like when you have an OS update [TS]

00:59:30   remember when they used to give you an [TS]

00:59:32   OS update and like many many versions [TS]

00:59:34   ago mac OS 10 and it would say this this [TS]

00:59:37   update requires a restart and you just [TS]

00:59:39   click the button they would do the [TS]

00:59:40   install and then install i would say [TS]

00:59:42   okay i've applied the you know 10-point [TS]

00:59:44   4.3 update click this button to restart [TS]

00:59:46   and then you just leave the dialog up on [TS]

00:59:48   your on your computer keep working yeah [TS]

00:59:50   which is terrible i can it's updating [TS]

00:59:52   operating system while you're using it [TS]

00:59:53   and then some the new policy is that [TS]

00:59:55   they they don't let you they say okay [TS]

00:59:58   this this up [TS]

00:59:59   requires a restart [TS]

00:59:59   requires a restart [TS]

01:00:00   and you have to just immediately log out [TS]

01:00:01   all the apps quit and then it does [TS]

01:00:03   download you know it installs the [TS]

01:00:04   installer or downloads it while you're [TS]

01:00:06   working but then it does the Installer [TS]

01:00:07   when you're not working right so the [TS]

01:00:09   idea of you know this requires kernel [TS]

01:00:11   space change of the hardware changes and [TS]

01:00:12   everything with the idea of a system [TS]

01:00:14   that is more robust kind of more like [TS]

01:00:16   mainframes where you can like do things [TS]

01:00:19   on the fly without restarting restarting [TS]

01:00:21   the system I completely replace the [TS]

01:00:22   kernel or swap out CPUs and all these [TS]

01:00:24   crazy mainframe features that people who [TS]

01:00:26   are inter mainframe computers know about [TS]

01:00:27   and say this is why mainframes are still [TS]

01:00:29   relevant because you know i can replace [TS]

01:00:31   the cpu without stopping any [TS]

01:00:32   transactions on this machine that runs [TS]

01:00:33   this banking system or whatever those [TS]

01:00:36   type of features hardware that hardware [TS]

01:00:38   and software combined operating system [TS]

01:00:40   that it sort of works with the hardware [TS]

01:00:42   in a symbiosis type relationship where [TS]

01:00:45   you can you know modify upgrade recover [TS]

01:00:49   and inspect these things you know in [TS]

01:00:52   real time without restarting without any [TS]

01:00:54   sort of these barbaric things that we [TS]

01:00:55   have to do now and this is an example of [TS]

01:00:58   people can sell that's crazy yeah maybe [TS]

01:00:59   you need that for name frames that are [TS]

01:01:00   running banking systems in the stock [TS]

01:01:01   market stuff you don't need that a [TS]

01:01:02   personal computers but this is how [TS]

01:01:03   technology works crazy features happen [TS]

01:01:06   on out on mainframes first like virtual [TS]

01:01:08   memory who that is going to need that [TS]

01:01:09   right and then it trickles down and this [TS]

01:01:12   is the the next thing I think they need [TS]

01:01:14   to trickle down especially as our [TS]

01:01:15   electronics are becoming more like [TS]

01:01:16   appliances that we sort of have the [TS]

01:01:18   technology and know-how to do a lot of [TS]

01:01:20   these things but so far not the will to [TS]

01:01:23   say I'm going to make a new thing it [TS]

01:01:26   rejects the old way that says no you [TS]

01:01:28   don't have to restart when we when we [TS]

01:01:30   give you an update to the kernel or some [TS]

01:01:32   other part of the operating system in [TS]

01:01:33   fact you can do everything on the fly [TS]

01:01:35   there is nothing that requires you to [TS]

01:01:36   stop everything you're doing turn [TS]

01:01:37   everything off dump all the contents of [TS]

01:01:39   memory and restart so that kind of that [TS]

01:01:43   kind of ambition to bring a mainframe [TS]

01:01:46   level robust lyst robustness two things [TS]

01:01:48   the size of a wristwatch or phone and I [TS]

01:01:52   think that requires core operating [TS]

01:01:54   system changes and some more exciting [TS]

01:01:56   advancements there instead of just like [TS]

01:01:58   adding slightly more finer grain locking [TS]

01:02:00   or transactional memory to the unified [TS]

01:02:01   buffer cache or whatever all right let's [TS]

01:02:05   do another sponsor prop in Co you ever [TS]

01:02:09   tried one of these well I don't know [TS]

01:02:11   prop and go I want to try a nice eve [TS]

01:02:13   again we need to get one of them sent [TS]

01:02:15   because this is what it is it's like [TS]

01:02:18   you've seen these laptop things you put [TS]

01:02:20   on your lap right that have like the [TS]

01:02:21   soft like memory foam thing on the [TS]

01:02:23   bottom and then it props that's what [TS]

01:02:26   this is for the iPad you can use with an [TS]

01:02:28   ipad mini you could use it with a you [TS]

01:02:29   know full-size iPad you zag you could [TS]

01:02:32   use it with your nexus 10 if you wanted [TS]

01:02:35   but it's perfect if you watch movies and [TS]

01:02:37   bad or play games in the couch and just [TS]

01:02:39   don't want to sit there trying to hold [TS]

01:02:40   something like precariously balancing it [TS]

01:02:42   it's perfect for this works anywhere we [TS]

01:02:46   use a lot of the time we'll just put it [TS]

01:02:47   right here I'll put it right here on the [TS]

01:02:48   desk slide that thing around this is [TS]

01:02:50   really security it works with a case of [TS]

01:02:52   a case on your device that's fine just [TS]

01:02:54   put the device down you're done I have [TS]

01:02:56   an ipad mini with no case it works [TS]

01:02:57   perfect even if we go into the head how [TS]

01:03:00   do you say this otterbox can you say [TS]

01:03:01   that John otterbox like the other [TS]

01:03:05   animals otters yeah autobox any tablet [TS]

01:03:08   in or out of the case it works it works [TS]

01:03:09   just fine we're gonna get one of these [TS]

01:03:11   sent to jail okay we're gonna get you [TS]

01:03:14   one you get a seven how do they come up [TS]

01:03:16   with a seventeen percent discount I've [TS]

01:03:18   still don't understand line you get a [TS]

01:03:20   prop and go PR 0 pn go prop and go com [TS]

01:03:25   seventeen percent off your order using [TS]

01:03:26   code dan sent me you can also buy it [TS]

01:03:28   right from amazon these things are [TS]

01:03:29   really cool adjustable any angle you [TS]

01:03:32   want prop and go calm all right more [TS]

01:03:35   questions for you there's a lot of these [TS]

01:03:38   boy there's a lot prop and go doesn't [TS]

01:03:42   just work with ipads i look at their [TS]

01:03:44   website they have like Kindles and stuff [TS]

01:03:45   on to works with the at works with any [TS]

01:03:47   any tablet device thing you can prop [TS]

01:03:49   anything that is probable alright here's [TS]

01:03:53   a neat one jumping around see Franco [TS]

01:03:55   Carlos Franco if John could interview [TS]

01:03:57   one person alive now and ask one [TS]

01:04:01   question who would it be and what would [TS]

01:04:03   he ask that's a tough one you already [TS]

01:04:07   had that one question with with gabe [TS]

01:04:09   newell you already had the chance i [TS]

01:04:10   figured that you already did that but [TS]

01:04:13   maybe the second person alive now i [TS]

01:04:18   would probably take jonathan coulton and [TS]

01:04:24   i declined to tell you what [TS]

01:04:27   question would be because who knows [TS]

01:04:28   someday and I get to ask it to him I [TS]

01:04:30   didn't want to pre think about the [TS]

01:04:31   question as a surprise for this show we [TS]

01:04:33   had Jonathan flown in right right and [TS]

01:04:36   he's right here no I'm just kidding uh I [TS]

01:04:40   mean I don't know like that's probably [TS]

01:04:42   my pic but that's like totally a [TS]

01:04:43   personal pic because that wouldn't be an [TS]

01:04:45   interview and be doing it for the [TS]

01:04:46   benefit of mankind because this would be [TS]

01:04:47   in conversation the world is not lacking [TS]

01:04:49   in Jonathan Coulton interviews let's say [TS]

01:04:51   it's not like I'm breaking new ground [TS]

01:04:52   but I'm a big fan and I think it would [TS]

01:04:54   be cool maybe bono I don't know maybe [TS]

01:04:56   I'd throw that well maybe bono Don [TS]

01:05:01   McDonald old McDonald as we call him [TS]

01:05:03   asks if you still draw and if not if you [TS]

01:05:06   ever thought about taking it up again [TS]

01:05:07   and if yes have you ever posted or [TS]

01:05:09   published any of your drawings I don't [TS]

01:05:12   really draw others like doodling and [TS]

01:05:14   stuff like you know but it you don't get [TS]

01:05:15   much time to duel anymore in this modern [TS]

01:05:17   computer age remember how much you [TS]

01:05:18   everyone used to doodle like in school [TS]

01:05:19   because we've got like you're bored and [TS]

01:05:21   you've got a pencil and you've got paper [TS]

01:05:22   and folders and margins and stuff and so [TS]

01:05:24   you don't like crazy but if you spend [TS]

01:05:26   all day in front of a computer in a [TS]

01:05:27   keyboard it's like no place to doodle [TS]

01:05:28   and people don't like oh let me open up [TS]

01:05:30   a little sketch pad app and start [TS]

01:05:32   doodling with my mouse it's just too [TS]

01:05:33   much of this too much barrier to entry [TS]

01:05:35   whereas idle doodling you just give [TS]

01:05:37   anyone a pen and a piece of paper and [TS]

01:05:39   like put them on the phone and they will [TS]

01:05:40   just make tremendous creations on that [TS]

01:05:42   paper while they talk on the phone that [TS]

01:05:45   should be it is not already a tumblr for [TS]

01:05:46   this there should be called like pho [TS]

01:05:48   noodles calm or something like that or [TS]

01:05:50   idle doodles where someone has a pen and [TS]

01:05:53   any piece of paper or newspaper anything [TS]

01:05:55   near them and they're doing something [TS]

01:05:56   else I like talking on the phone or or [TS]

01:05:58   you know just having a conversation with [TS]

01:06:00   somebody and the amazing things that [TS]

01:06:02   come out of people's hands when they're [TS]

01:06:03   just idly doodling crazy-looking fractal [TS]

01:06:05   things cityscapes you know giant robot [TS]

01:06:09   dinosaurs like all sorts of amazing [TS]

01:06:11   things I think those should be collected [TS]

01:06:13   because that's the type of thing where [TS]

01:06:14   you say oh I don't draw but then you [TS]

01:06:16   look at the huge volume of doodles they [TS]

01:06:18   produce during the year like that's art [TS]

01:06:20   like you're expressing yourself [TS]

01:06:21   unconsciously perhaps but uh but other [TS]

01:06:24   than that yeah I would say no I don't do [TS]

01:06:25   any formal drawing anymore these days [TS]

01:06:28   kind of for the reasons stated in my [TS]

01:06:31   hyper critical thing on our aesthetic [TS]

01:06:33   article you can read if you want to I do [TS]

01:06:35   have a lot of my old stuff hanging [TS]

01:06:38   around like when I was a kid my entire [TS]

01:06:39   room was [TS]

01:06:40   covered with comics that I cut out of [TS]

01:06:43   the newspaper and posters and also [TS]

01:06:46   things that I drew myself like covered [TS]

01:06:48   entire walls and onto the ceiling and I [TS]

01:06:51   have some of those things saved also [TS]

01:06:52   around my house I have some of the [TS]

01:06:53   paintings I did when I was a kid because [TS]

01:06:55   I took art lessons from the time I was [TS]

01:06:57   like eight until like 16 and worked my [TS]

01:06:59   way up through various things like you [TS]

01:07:01   know was that pencils oil pastels [TS]

01:07:03   watercolor acrylic oil paints sort of [TS]

01:07:06   that progression so I have a lot of [TS]

01:07:07   these paintings still around they're [TS]

01:07:09   hanging up in my house like in my TV [TS]

01:07:11   room they're not particularly good [TS]

01:07:12   paintings I haven't published him [TS]

01:07:13   anymore you're not missing anything [TS]

01:07:14   believe me but I enjoy looking at them [TS]

01:07:17   like I'm sin they're watching TV I can [TS]

01:07:18   glance up and say I enjoy seeing my own [TS]

01:07:20   artwork from when I was a kid in my own [TS]

01:07:22   house it makes me happy and like I said [TS]

01:07:24   most of the other things I did you're [TS]

01:07:25   like a pretty bad copies of Larry amor [TS]

01:07:28   paintings you don't know who Larry [TS]

01:07:30   Elmore is you should google that and [TS]

01:07:32   look at his stuff because it's awesome [TS]

01:07:33   oh so there you go another now go ahead [TS]

01:07:39   i'm sorry i wanted i wanted to for [TS]

01:07:41   people who don't like my lack of telling [TS]

01:07:43   you what I'm gonna ask Jonathan Coulton [TS]

01:07:45   i'll give you my bono question hmm [TS]

01:07:48   probably my bono question because I'm [TS]

01:07:49   never going to meet him and he's never [TS]

01:07:50   answer my question so it's not no danger [TS]

01:07:52   that ah I would probably miss this tells [TS]

01:07:55   you what kind of terrible sycophantic [TS]

01:07:58   fanboys had questions I have in mind [TS]

01:08:00   here I would probably ask mano I always [TS]

01:08:03   wonder this about artists who have had [TS]

01:08:07   long careers and you know Bono started [TS]

01:08:10   his band was like 17 years old right and [TS]

01:08:12   they're still together it's kind of like [TS]

01:08:14   the Rolling Stones you know they just [TS]

01:08:15   you can't stop them right and some [TS]

01:08:17   people say they shouldn't stop because [TS]

01:08:18   there are old people now but I want a [TS]

01:08:20   spa know when you listen to like an [TS]

01:08:22   early album like it wasn't a boy or [TS]

01:08:24   October's I'm thinking you hear that [TS]

01:08:26   seventeen-year-old kid on the album like [TS]

01:08:29   singing from the top of his throat and [TS]

01:08:31   screeching and talking about stuff like [TS]

01:08:33   you know how old is he now I was like 50 [TS]

01:08:35   or something maybe he's 60 I don't know [TS]

01:08:37   how but ol bono is sorry bono if you're [TS]

01:08:39   not 60 uh what do you think of that kid [TS]

01:08:44   who you use 52 years old there you go [TS]

01:08:47   out i would ask him what do you think [TS]

01:08:48   about that kid that you hear singing on [TS]

01:08:50   those albums does it seem like a [TS]

01:08:50   different person to you or do you still [TS]

01:08:52   feel like that kid [TS]

01:08:53   like what what do you think when you [TS]

01:08:55   hear that because yeah I think like you [TS]

01:08:56   know he's not listening to his own music [TS]

01:08:57   or whatever he's probably sick of [TS]

01:08:58   hearing like things from a joshua tree [TS]

01:09:00   and stuff but like maybe just hanging [TS]

01:09:03   out walking through the supermarket one [TS]

01:09:04   day and dublin and a track from boy [TS]

01:09:06   comes on what does he think about that [TS]

01:09:08   kid like in his private moments you know [TS]

01:09:10   i wanna know what that's like like is [TS]

01:09:12   does he disassociate does that seem like [TS]

01:09:14   a different person because he's come so [TS]

01:09:15   far since then or does he still feel [TS]

01:09:16   like that exact same person and somehow [TS]

01:09:18   he's shambling around this big ol [TS]

01:09:20   person's body that's my bono question [TS]

01:09:22   you can imagine how cloying my Jonathan [TS]

01:09:26   Coulton question would be so going back [TS]

01:09:31   to your history Dennis Bailey what were [TS]

01:09:35   some of young John's favorite childhood [TS]

01:09:37   toys would or do your children enjoy [TS]

01:09:41   anything similar some of my children [TS]

01:09:46   have my some of my favorite childhood [TS]

01:09:48   toys because I saved them I of course [TS]

01:09:50   liked all the Kenner Star Wars toys I [TS]

01:09:52   just tweeted last night I'm watchin the [TS]

01:09:55   show on travel channel called toy hunter [TS]

01:09:56   where this guy a toy reseller goes [TS]

01:09:58   around to people's houses and buys their [TS]

01:10:00   toys and then you know resells them and [TS]

01:10:02   it's just like if you are my age no [TS]

01:10:05   mid-to-late 30s you will see all the [TS]

01:10:08   toys you play with as a kid on this show [TS]

01:10:09   and it's kind of depressing kind of [TS]

01:10:11   exciting but anyway up the Battlestar [TS]

01:10:12   Galactica plastic toys they came out [TS]

01:10:14   when that series was on I lost my battle [TS]

01:10:17   star Galactica Viper and then we moved [TS]

01:10:19   to house and I was like I i lost my I [TS]

01:10:22   lost my storm Kenner stormtrooper just [TS]

01:10:24   the plain white stormtrooper and i lost [TS]

01:10:25   my viper and those two losses like [TS]

01:10:27   continue to haunt me to this day that [TS]

01:10:29   was very important those toys are very [TS]

01:10:31   important to me and we moved to a new [TS]

01:10:32   house without them that was crushed by [TS]

01:10:34   it i liked a lot of the imported [TS]

01:10:38   japanese transformable things so like [TS]

01:10:40   when i go to the tri-county flea market [TS]

01:10:42   and Long Island arena people who are [TS]

01:10:43   from that area to places where they at [TS]

01:10:46   flea markets where they have import [TS]

01:10:47   sellers who would sell boxes with [TS]

01:10:49   Japanese writing all over them of you [TS]

01:10:51   know Voltron or various robotech types [TS]

01:10:55   of toys not branded his robotech half [TS]

01:10:56   the time because they were from the [TS]

01:10:57   original Japanese series yeah they were [TS]

01:10:59   diecast many small parts like a plastic [TS]

01:11:03   plus diecast plus lots of hinges and [TS]

01:11:05   tiny little things toys that did not [TS]

01:11:06   exist in America [TS]

01:11:07   you couldn't give a like these are [TS]

01:11:09   basically toys for adults practically [TS]

01:11:10   because you give this any normal kid [TS]

01:11:11   they would destroy but I love these [TS]

01:11:13   things and i would buy and for like you [TS]

01:11:14   know sixty or eighty dollars which is a [TS]

01:11:16   lot of money i'm like 1982 for a little [TS]

01:11:18   kid a couple of those i still have and i [TS]

01:11:20   gave to my son and he's like not [TS]

01:11:21   interested in there just depressing so [TS]

01:11:22   they're just up on his shelf ah and of [TS]

01:11:25   course things like Legos and stuff which [TS]

01:11:26   were that was my toy construction kit [TS]

01:11:28   where i would build other toys added [TS]

01:11:30   alike that's probably if I'd to think of [TS]

01:11:32   one toy that I played with the most as a [TS]

01:11:33   kid it would probably be Legos which I'm [TS]

01:11:34   not supposed to say as Legos but I do [TS]

01:11:36   Lego toys and blocks yes alright so let [TS]

01:11:40   me let me shift gears a little bit [TS]

01:11:43   because people are and they asked a lot [TS]

01:11:45   of technical questions here and i'll [TS]

01:11:46   pick a few of the lighter ones ah faiz [TS]

01:11:50   on i'm pronouncing like python [TS]

01:11:54   postgresql mysql which yep I had that [TS]

01:12:02   topic on my list and I decided not to do [TS]

01:12:04   because i thought was too boring as the [TS]

01:12:06   question like is there any topics you on [TS]

01:12:08   your list that you didn't get to the [TS]

01:12:09   wand to that was unless but didn't want [TS]

01:12:11   to get to it but if you just want the [TS]

01:12:12   one-word answer uh postgres like yeah I [TS]

01:12:16   don't like MySQL for so many reasons I [TS]

01:12:19   think I talked about this once on the [TS]

01:12:20   show I'll give my capsule summary of it [TS]

01:12:22   uh it depends on how you view the [TS]

01:12:24   database like Oh for this couple things [TS]

01:12:26   so one is likewise my girl so popular [TS]

01:12:29   and that has to do with lots of like [TS]

01:12:31   social reasons and like you know ease of [TS]

01:12:33   use and stuff but if you are like a [TS]

01:12:34   database nerd it's like it if you're not [TS]

01:12:36   worried about oh tell me which one I can [TS]

01:12:38   figure out how to get set up or which [TS]

01:12:39   one is just gonna work best with some [TS]

01:12:41   framework out of the box like I don't [TS]

01:12:42   care about those things because I know [TS]

01:12:43   about databases I don't care which one [TS]

01:12:45   is like easier to set up I don't care [TS]

01:12:46   which one most people use I don't [TS]

01:12:48   because all those things are not [TS]

01:12:49   barriers to entry to me I can figure it [TS]

01:12:50   out I can make it work you know right so [TS]

01:12:53   you're immediately judging by criteria [TS]

01:12:55   that most people aren't judging by its [TS]

01:12:56   most people like I don't care what [TS]

01:12:57   database you just tell me which one [TS]

01:12:58   works with the thing Oh rails likes [TS]

01:13:00   mysql filers go with that right but if [TS]

01:13:02   you're not that person if you're a [TS]

01:13:04   database nerd if you spent your whole [TS]

01:13:05   career doing back end web programming [TS]

01:13:07   you wanna you want the one that matches [TS]

01:13:09   your philosophy and my philosophy was [TS]

01:13:12   and probably still is that the database [TS]

01:13:14   is the defender of the data i want a [TS]

01:13:17   database that lets me set itself up in a [TS]

01:13:19   way that is impossible [TS]

01:13:20   for that database to ever contain data [TS]

01:13:22   that is invalid right and I want all the [TS]

01:13:24   cool database features that let me do [TS]

01:13:26   that and I want to have high performance [TS]

01:13:27   then I want to be able you know to find [TS]

01:13:28   my own types and do all sorts of you [TS]

01:13:31   know all sorts of fancy database e-type [TS]

01:13:33   things really rich stored procedure [TS]

01:13:35   language so things that are faster to do [TS]

01:13:37   in store procedures i can do that way [TS]

01:13:38   like all database nerd stuff and my [TS]

01:13:40   sequels not even a contender in those [TS]

01:13:41   things whereas postgres gives me all [TS]

01:13:44   those things and more it you know gives [TS]

01:13:46   me the ability to make a dated my [TS]

01:13:48   database the defender of the data with [TS]

01:13:49   tons of cool features half which i'm a [TS]

01:13:51   need but someday maybe I think I will uh [TS]

01:13:53   and I've used both of them extensively [TS]

01:13:56   and you know if I had to pick for any [TS]

01:13:58   project that i was doing i would pick [TS]

01:14:00   progressed in on my signal doesn't mean [TS]

01:14:01   you should pick postgres not sequel you [TS]

01:14:03   know you should use whatever criteria [TS]

01:14:04   you want but my sequel has a history of [TS]

01:14:06   not being the defender of the data of [TS]

01:14:09   letting cube letting you insert you know [TS]

01:14:12   letters into integer columns and marking [TS]

01:14:15   a column is not null and allowing a [TS]

01:14:18   empty string and no even know values in [TS]

01:14:20   them like this yeah my sequel was [TS]

01:14:23   depressing to me I don't like it I never [TS]

01:14:25   liked it if I could ever avoid using it [TS]

01:14:27   I would postgres old boy I'm gonna the [TS]

01:14:31   chatroom pointed out that there is a [TS]

01:14:33   Larry Elmore Kickstarter project which [TS]

01:14:35   is already funded uh I think it's still [TS]

01:14:38   going 25 days to go yes it head its goal [TS]

01:14:43   was seventeen thousand dollars and it's [TS]

01:14:45   up two hundred and fifty three thousand [TS]

01:14:46   dollars i put a link in the show notes [TS]

01:14:47   Oh take a look if you want to see who [TS]

01:14:50   Larry Elmore was okari's it's by Larry [TS]

01:14:53   elmar so there you go Keith Parkinson to [TS]

01:14:58   oils like those name kid Parkinson Keith [TS]

01:15:00   Parkinson have you a Mason Mason who on [TS]

01:15:04   twitter asks have you ever considered [TS]

01:15:05   building a hackintosh so you can use mac [TS]

01:15:08   OS but still have a more powerful [TS]

01:15:10   computer this of course coming from your [TS]

01:15:13   well-known discontent with the state of [TS]

01:15:16   the mac pro i have never seriously [TS]

01:15:18   considered because I that's like I don't [TS]

01:15:20   want to do that have you been have you [TS]

01:15:22   built pcs in the past I know that you've [TS]

01:15:24   upgraded you know upgraded max and stuff [TS]

01:15:27   like that you're on your own but have [TS]

01:15:29   you ever like built a pc no never build [TS]

01:15:32   my VZ never even owned a pc [TS]

01:15:34   I've I'm kind of in the place where you [TS]

01:15:37   are now or you don't want to build pcs [TS]

01:15:38   of other people you don't build your own [TS]

01:15:39   you just want to buy one and have it be [TS]

01:15:40   done I've always been in that place I've [TS]

01:15:42   never wanted it it closes Idris mark [TS]

01:15:45   wanting to play PC games when I was a [TS]

01:15:48   kid because you know pc games had color [TS]

01:15:50   especially once like I saw my first pc [TS]

01:15:52   game in 640 by 480 because I'd see that [TS]

01:15:55   pc games they were in color but it's you [TS]

01:15:56   know 320 x 240 or two it's cool and all [TS]

01:16:00   but EGA seriously that's just because my [TS]

01:16:02   friends just had you know CJ and EGA [TS]

01:16:04   cards but finally when one got a vga [TS]

01:16:06   card and put like syndicate and 640 by [TS]

01:16:08   480 I'm like all right I'd like to play [TS]

01:16:10   that game but I just played it over [TS]

01:16:11   their house instead never owned a PC [TS]

01:16:12   never bought if you seen everyone to [TS]

01:16:13   build one I could be pushed to the point [TS]

01:16:16   where I have to build one but so far [TS]

01:16:18   that has not happened I'm just patiently [TS]

01:16:19   waiting with my 2008 Mac Pro patiently [TS]

01:16:22   waiting for 2013 like Tim said he said [TS]

01:16:25   in silver would do you think there will [TS]

01:16:30   be a new mac pro in the same form or [TS]

01:16:32   something else what do you want in the [TS]

01:16:35   2013 mac pro he says you Mac Pro and or [TS]

01:16:39   replacement and this is when Marco and I [TS]

01:16:41   were talking about this earlier in the [TS]

01:16:42   week on build and analyze you know it he [TS]

01:16:45   wiII identified I think Marco pointed [TS]

01:16:47   out that you know Tim didn't say we'll [TS]

01:16:49   have an updated Mac Pro for you he said [TS]

01:16:52   we'll have something for those of you [TS]

01:16:53   who like the mac pro it was it was much [TS]

01:16:56   more ambiguous than that like I well you [TS]

01:16:59   know if you like the mac pro hey we'll [TS]

01:17:01   have something for you in 2013 Marco [TS]

01:17:03   didn't make that point I made that point [TS]

01:17:04   many many times I've made that point oh [TS]

01:17:06   you did and so you get the credit for it [TS]

01:17:08   but he made that point on the show [TS]

01:17:10   whether we attributed to you or not it's [TS]

01:17:13   the same point yes and is it bears [TS]

01:17:14   repeating anyway uh I think the odds of [TS]

01:17:18   sounding that looks just like a current [TS]

01:17:20   mac pro with the different stuff on the [TS]

01:17:21   inside is like below fifty percent [TS]

01:17:23   because like then what's the point like [TS]

01:17:25   we're all this waiting and only thing [TS]

01:17:26   you're gonna have is something that's [TS]

01:17:27   exactly the same it's called a mac pro [TS]

01:17:29   it looks like a big cheese grater but [TS]

01:17:30   just the in size are different that [TS]

01:17:31   seems spectacularly unlikely to me or [TS]

01:17:33   but i made me you know less than fifty [TS]

01:17:36   percent i would bet against it if only [TS]

01:17:39   because like the optical drives going [TS]

01:17:41   away everywhere not because it has to [TS]

01:17:44   but because that's what Apple does like [TS]

01:17:45   is there a reason the optical drive had [TS]

01:17:47   to leave the imac know [TS]

01:17:48   that's the thing apples doing so how can [TS]

01:17:50   you take a thing a case this big and [TS]

01:17:52   there was room for two optical drives [TS]

01:17:54   all we're just going to put a blank spot [TS]

01:17:55   there and not have them and just fill it [TS]

01:17:57   with more hard drives like it seems [TS]

01:17:58   crazy to me that something that Mac Pro [TS]

01:18:02   users might like would come out and it [TS]

01:18:04   would be exactly the same big cheese [TS]

01:18:05   grater case so I'm hoping it's not in [TS]

01:18:08   the same case and I don't expect it to [TS]

01:18:10   be and you will you will get one [TS]

01:18:14   probably yeah okay Martin Baron under [TS]

01:18:20   what conditions would you switch to PC [TS]

01:18:22   or windows what hypothetically would [TS]

01:18:24   need to happen hardware software wise [TS]

01:18:26   before the switch suppose OS 10 was [TS]

01:18:28   discontinued what operating system would [TS]

01:18:30   you switch to switch to PC or windows [TS]

01:18:34   yeah that's the under what conditions I [TS]

01:18:37   don't like these questions if Apple had [TS]

01:18:41   gone out of business in like nineteen [TS]

01:18:42   ninety-seven yeah ah we're tie he's [TS]

01:18:46   talking about now though Matt Martin I [TS]

01:18:47   know I'm trying I'm trying to think of [TS]

01:18:48   scenarios words which all right but if [TS]

01:18:50   Apple if Apple Ghana business 1997 I [TS]

01:18:52   probably would have switched to linux [TS]

01:18:54   but I probably also would have dual [TS]

01:18:56   booted windows for games the only way I [TS]

01:18:59   can imagine I would ever switch to [TS]

01:19:01   Windows or switch away from Mac os10 got [TS]

01:19:06   it even if Apple disappears tomorrow [TS]

01:19:08   like I would I would go to unix I would [TS]

01:19:10   not because my you know I love apple [TS]

01:19:12   stuff but i also love unix I do not love [TS]

01:19:14   almost anything about windows except for [TS]

01:19:17   the fact that it runs some games that i [TS]

01:19:18   like so i would i would go to unix I [TS]

01:19:21   would not go to windows because I had [TS]

01:19:22   you know and it and you say what of UNIX [TS]

01:19:24   goes away I don't think I think that's [TS]

01:19:26   harder to do you could probably make [TS]

01:19:27   apple go away but you can't make us go [TS]

01:19:29   away so I would I would almost certainly [TS]

01:19:30   go to unix this despite the fact like I [TS]

01:19:33   said I don't wanna screw with my stuff I [TS]

01:19:34   don't want to build my own pc you don't [TS]

01:19:35   accept the config files but I would [TS]

01:19:37   still I would still go with UNIX but i [TS]

01:19:41   hope i hope it never comes to that Anna [TS]

01:19:43   debenhams susa friend of the show I [TS]

01:19:47   guess we can say that she says what do [TS]

01:19:50   you want to see game console [TS]

01:19:51   manufacturers doing over the next few [TS]

01:19:54   years now we we talked about that [TS]

01:19:56   Android style console but then the other [TS]

01:19:59   thing you kick-started what it what are [TS]

01:20:01   you hoping for [TS]

01:20:02   or is it the wii u i hope the game [TS]

01:20:08   console manufacturers first i hope they [TS]

01:20:10   stay in business that's my first help [TS]

01:20:12   for all them because they are sort of [TS]

01:20:16   beset on all sides by competitors that [TS]

01:20:18   are sort of you know is there room for [TS]

01:20:20   original game console i hope that there [TS]

01:20:22   continues to be room for that device and [TS]

01:20:24   I hope they innovate into such a way [TS]

01:20:26   that they stay in business second thing [TS]

01:20:28   is I hope that they sort of are more [TS]

01:20:33   bold about making radical technological [TS]

01:20:37   changes it seems like I mean you can't [TS]

01:20:41   expect a cheap home game console to have [TS]

01:20:44   the power of like PC with a [TS]

01:20:46   six-hundred-dollar video card inside it [TS]

01:20:48   right you just can't compete with that [TS]

01:20:50   kind of money but you can do interesting [TS]

01:20:52   things on the console that you can't do [TS]

01:20:54   on the pc like the ps3 i think was very [TS]

01:20:56   technically and just interesting with [TS]

01:20:58   the cell architecture and stuff and [TS]

01:20:59   there's no way they could fly on the pc [TS]

01:21:00   because it would be incompatible with [TS]

01:21:02   all software and it was crazy [TS]

01:21:04   architecture and it's just not going to [TS]

01:21:05   fly at all but you can do that on the [TS]

01:21:07   console now i don't think the pc was [TS]

01:21:08   this ps3 was this resounding success and [TS]

01:21:11   i don't think the cell experiment was a [TS]

01:21:12   particularly big success but that kind [TS]

01:21:15   of innovation it can't happen in the [TS]

01:21:16   peace pc pc space it can't happen in the [TS]

01:21:18   mac space it really can't happen in the [TS]

01:21:20   phone or tablet space because they have [TS]

01:21:22   such an entrenched you know backward [TS]

01:21:24   compatibility culture and stuff like [TS]

01:21:26   that whereas on the game console space [TS]

01:21:28   it's still okay to say maybe your old [TS]

01:21:30   games will run on the ps4 maybe they [TS]

01:21:32   won't you know they always try to do [TS]

01:21:34   some nod to backward compatibility but [TS]

01:21:35   that's a relatively recent phenomenon I [TS]

01:21:37   wish that would be beaten back a little [TS]

01:21:38   bit because it lets that divide of [TS]

01:21:41   saying well from one generation of the [TS]

01:21:42   council the next lets them wipe the [TS]

01:21:44   slate clean and go all right well we [TS]

01:21:46   don't really care if ps2 games playing [TS]

01:21:48   the ps3 like the way they did it was [TS]

01:21:49   they put the ps2 a motion engine chip [TS]

01:21:52   thing onto one system on a chip and they [TS]

01:21:53   just shoved it on the motherboard next [TS]

01:21:55   to the ps3 was basically a ps2 and ps3 [TS]

01:21:57   next to each other and eventually they [TS]

01:21:59   just ditch the ps2 compatibility [TS]

01:22:01   entirely and you know people grumble a [TS]

01:22:03   little bit but we all survived right I [TS]

01:22:05   like that I like being able to wipe the [TS]

01:22:07   slate clean and so that's what I hope [TS]

01:22:08   console makers continue to do this is [TS]

01:22:10   anachronistic to say what they should [TS]

01:22:12   really start to do is be more like the [TS]

01:22:14   app store and [TS]

01:22:15   you know do all the stuff they need to [TS]

01:22:16   do to stay in business but what I love [TS]

01:22:18   about the consoles are the old things [TS]

01:22:20   that are terrible for them that are [TS]

01:22:21   driving them out of business but if you [TS]

01:22:23   ask me what I want that's what I want [TS]

01:22:25   all right let me hear oh here's a good [TS]

01:22:29   one Nicholas Ward AKA ultra nerd would [TS]

01:22:34   you ever leave pearl for another [TS]

01:22:36   language what would such a language need [TS]

01:22:38   or how could pearl be improved well I [TS]

01:22:40   think that last part that's that's all [TS]

01:22:43   show or whole series the first part [TS]

01:22:47   would you ever leave pearl for another [TS]

01:22:48   language and what with the language need [TS]

01:22:49   you know it's not like that's not really [TS]

01:22:53   how development works in the modern [TS]

01:22:55   world where you're like you know I [TS]

01:22:56   you're an ex programmer and you draw [TS]

01:22:59   your programming in that language and [TS]

01:23:00   you can leave it for another language [TS]

01:23:01   like at various times in my current [TS]

01:23:04   career like I've spent not just like a [TS]

01:23:06   day or a month or a week but hold you [TS]

01:23:08   know long sections of my work life doing [TS]

01:23:11   most of my programming in JavaScript in [TS]

01:23:13   in PL sequel for oracle and plz quiver [TS]

01:23:17   for postgres like just because pearl is [TS]

01:23:21   the language i know best and and like [TS]

01:23:23   the most doesn't mean to that's where I [TS]

01:23:25   send the majority amount of time so i [TS]

01:23:27   think all programmers these days are [TS]

01:23:29   sort of multi-language you see you have [TS]

01:23:32   to be I mean it's a CSS canis language [TS]

01:23:34   certainly JavaScript I was like you [TS]

01:23:35   can't just be a programmer in one [TS]

01:23:37   particular language so I don't think I'm [TS]

01:23:38   like am i leaving parole and I spend [TS]

01:23:40   three months writing JavaScript know [TS]

01:23:42   like have I left it I don't know I don't [TS]

01:23:45   really know what that means if you're [TS]

01:23:46   asking if there's a language I like [TS]

01:23:47   better than pearl like I think I think [TS]

01:23:49   what he's trying to say is your [TS]

01:23:53   programming language of choice is pearl [TS]

01:23:55   what would it take for your programming [TS]

01:23:57   language of choice to not be pearl to be [TS]

01:23:59   something you need a language that I [TS]

01:24:01   like better than / like do I like Ruby [TS]

01:24:02   better than Pearl no I don't like I look [TS]

01:24:03   that's the problem the problem with [TS]

01:24:05   pearls I think I said in previous shows [TS]

01:24:06   when I look at other languages like [TS]

01:24:07   Python and Ruby and stuff like that like [TS]

01:24:09   in Ruby I see a language that should [TS]

01:24:11   have learned more from pearl but didn't [TS]

01:24:13   uh like making the same mistakes to [TS]

01:24:15   pearl made which sounds crazy it's like [TS]

01:24:17   well but pearl already made those [TS]

01:24:19   mistakes so like why you know why you [TS]

01:24:21   sticking with the language that you're [TS]

01:24:22   acknowledging has mistakes it's like [TS]

01:24:23   well I'm not gonna leave for another one [TS]

01:24:25   unless I think it's learned everything [TS]

01:24:26   there is to learn from pearl and it's [TS]

01:24:28   not made those mistakes in Python [TS]

01:24:29   is like philosophically different as [TS]

01:24:31   like a different style and flavor and [TS]

01:24:32   that it's you know very different from [TS]

01:24:34   so the Pearl culture and that's not like [TS]

01:24:37   the way that's not the kind of culture I [TS]

01:24:38   like JavaScript well now I don't you [TS]

01:24:41   know it's not I don't I don't dislike [TS]

01:24:43   JavaScript for the reasons that that [TS]

01:24:45   most people who dislike javascript is [TS]

01:24:46   like it again I just like it you know [TS]

01:24:48   not because the DOM is ugly not because [TS]

01:24:50   working with browsers is knowing all [TS]

01:24:52   those things are true but like as a [TS]

01:24:53   language just so feature poor and [TS]

01:24:56   limited and oversimplified and things [TS]

01:25:00   that should be simple or complicated and [TS]

01:25:01   just you know that like the reason [TS]

01:25:03   CoffeeScript exists is because people [TS]

01:25:05   who are programming language kind of [TS]

01:25:08   service don't like JavaScript it's not a [TS]

01:25:09   great language we like what you can do [TS]

01:25:11   with it we like the fact that there as [TS]

01:25:12   fast engines you can run all sorts of [TS]

01:25:14   these reasons but as language not great [TS]

01:25:16   so so far there is not a language out [TS]

01:25:18   there that I like better than pearl and [TS]

01:25:21   what it would take for me to leave pearl [TS]

01:25:22   for another language in that sense would [TS]

01:25:24   be for me to see a language that I say [TS]

01:25:26   this language is more fun for me to work [TS]

01:25:29   with the pearl it doesn't mean the [TS]

01:25:30   language is better just means I like it [TS]

01:25:32   better that's so far that it's not [TS]

01:25:33   happened I think I name goes to the [TS]

01:25:37   contenders there's some other one [TS]

01:25:38   forgetting that people want to hear me [TS]

01:25:39   express express my distaste for I can do [TS]

01:25:42   that but Chris shock asks if you've ever [TS]

01:25:46   resorted to programming in Python uh I [TS]

01:25:49   think I have a couple of scripts that I [TS]

01:25:52   have hacked-up that are written in [TS]

01:25:53   Python I don't think I've ever started a [TS]

01:25:55   script script from scratch and Python [TS]

01:25:56   like I mean I Twitter backup script is [TS]

01:25:58   someone else's Python Twitter backup [TS]

01:26:00   script that I have modified over there [TS]

01:26:01   yeah like that flickr exporter thing [TS]

01:26:03   same thing like at it no one should have [TS]

01:26:04   to write Python yeah it's not it doesn't [TS]

01:26:07   match with my and some parts of it do [TS]

01:26:09   match with my philosophy but the other [TS]

01:26:11   parts have been done and that python is [TS]

01:26:12   another language i felt like all men [TS]

01:26:14   like it's i see it going through some of [TS]

01:26:16   the same things that pearl did with like [TS]

01:26:17   pythons 00 system where they changed in [TS]

01:26:20   mind and made a different auto system [TS]

01:26:21   but like all of them are you just look [TS]

01:26:23   at it you're like no you know you didn't [TS]

01:26:25   that didn't work out for you guys you [TS]

01:26:27   didn't quite figure it out your clothes [TS]

01:26:28   you have some things that are good but [TS]

01:26:30   no not for me crisis who's crisis 121 on [TS]

01:26:38   Twitter what are the most important [TS]

01:26:39   things you've learned about podcasting [TS]

01:26:41   since starting [TS]

01:26:43   hyper critical it's that crisis with a [TS]

01:26:45   why it is ciara is is 1 to 100 the most [TS]

01:26:51   important things I learned about [TS]

01:26:53   podcasting yes that is the question I [TS]

01:26:57   guess the most important thing I learned [TS]

01:26:58   about podcast thing is that i am [TS]

01:27:01   passively able to do it which was a [TS]

01:27:04   question to begin with like it I've know [TS]

01:27:06   if I've talked about this but my my [TS]

01:27:08   fairy pod mother the person who I listen [TS]

01:27:12   to who made me think that podcasting is [TS]

01:27:14   the thing that I might like to try to do [TS]

01:27:15   was a fantasy fiction author named mer [TS]

01:27:19   Lafferty she has still has a think a [TS]

01:27:22   podcast called well I originally listen [TS]

01:27:24   to geek foo action grip which i think is [TS]

01:27:26   gone it's got one got one called I [TS]

01:27:28   should be writing which was a podcast [TS]

01:27:31   for wanna be fiction writers by i wanna [TS]

01:27:34   be fiction writer but then she had to [TS]

01:27:35   drop the wannabe when she became a [TS]

01:27:36   published author so congratulations door [TS]

01:27:38   but both of those shows were just her [TS]

01:27:40   talking into a microphone about about [TS]

01:27:43   writing and geek related things that's [TS]

01:27:44   it no co-host know anything she produced [TS]

01:27:47   them all herself she sat down in front [TS]

01:27:48   of desk she took letters from people she [TS]

01:27:50   read them she talked about writing and [TS]

01:27:52   what it means to be a good writer and [TS]

01:27:53   had little segment Annette sponsors and [TS]

01:27:55   all those stuff and I love listening to [TS]

01:27:57   them despite the fact that i'm not a [TS]

01:27:59   wannabe fiction writer uh I said you [TS]

01:28:02   know what this is just one person [TS]

01:28:04   sitting where we should his North [TS]

01:28:05   Carolina or something sitting in some [TS]

01:28:06   room in front of a microphone and [TS]

01:28:08   talking and because she's an interesting [TS]

01:28:09   person as an interesting thing to say [TS]

01:28:10   I'm sitting here listening to them right [TS]

01:28:11   all right I have interesting things to [TS]

01:28:14   say its aim seems like something that I [TS]

01:28:15   could do and that was years and years [TS]

01:28:18   ago before you know I I remember when [TS]

01:28:21   those things part started but its way [TS]

01:28:22   before five by five and wait for you [TS]

01:28:24   know that was I think it was even a gap [TS]

01:28:26   in there where like podcasts stopped [TS]

01:28:27   being a thing for me but that that's [TS]

01:28:30   that's the most important thing I've [TS]

01:28:31   learned about podcasting is that uh it's [TS]

01:28:35   one of the things that I am able to [TS]

01:28:37   possibly do like you know unlike say [TS]

01:28:40   flamenco dancing or gymnastics or [TS]

01:28:43   something or like oh that's interesting [TS]

01:28:44   thing but it doesn't seem like something [TS]

01:28:45   that I'm ever going to do this seemed [TS]

01:28:47   like something I want to try and and [TS]

01:28:48   could do it in a way that would not be a [TS]

01:28:51   complete failure so that's that say the [TS]

01:28:56   most important thing I've learned [TS]

01:28:57   almost everything else about podcasting [TS]

01:28:58   dan knows and not me I got a you know [TS]

01:29:00   all about podcast I just show up and [TS]

01:29:02   talk like I don't know anything about [TS]

01:29:03   what you're doing is I mean when I'm [TS]

01:29:05   doing install the moving pieces and [TS]

01:29:07   stuff like that but you're doing the [TS]

01:29:08   hard part well I mean it depends on the [TS]

01:29:11   way you view it like Merle after he was [TS]

01:29:13   doing both parts like she set up the [TS]

01:29:15   website and got the sponsors and you [TS]

01:29:17   know had everything work right away the [TS]

01:29:18   RSS feed work and dealt with itunes [TS]

01:29:20   stuff and bought been within like you [TS]

01:29:22   know that is a big important part of [TS]

01:29:24   podcasting I just don't know anything [TS]

01:29:25   about it cuz I don't do any of that [TS]

01:29:26   stuff that's the service / provides so I [TS]

01:29:29   can't give any insight into it that's [TS]

01:29:32   what you mean by Oh some people said [TS]

01:29:33   podcasting sometimes they mean like how [TS]

01:29:34   do I physically set up a podcast and get [TS]

01:29:37   to show up in iTunes and stuff like that [TS]

01:29:38   on the other side of it is ah how do I [TS]

01:29:41   make something in recorded audio form [TS]

01:29:43   that other people actually want to want [TS]

01:29:45   to listen to oh it's kind of kind of [TS]

01:29:49   related to that uh let's see this [TS]

01:29:53   question okay what tips does john have [TS]

01:29:59   for an aspiring journalist that wants to [TS]

01:30:01   grow that would like to grow up to be [TS]

01:30:03   just like him Ron Glassman I think I'm [TS]

01:30:07   sizes before but I do not view myself [TS]

01:30:09   nor have ever viewed myself as a [TS]

01:30:11   journalist because I think of that maybe [TS]

01:30:13   I'm wrong in thinking this way maybe [TS]

01:30:15   it's too narrow definition but I think [TS]

01:30:16   it was someone is like a reporter who [TS]

01:30:18   like who's training is how to go out and [TS]

01:30:22   get a story the journalist doesn't have [TS]

01:30:24   to know anything about football to be [TS]

01:30:27   omega sports is a bad example that's [TS]

01:30:29   probably out the counterexample you [TS]

01:30:30   don't have to know anything about like [TS]

01:30:32   county government to be the guy who sits [TS]

01:30:33   in all the county government meetings [TS]

01:30:35   and does report you'll learn about it [TS]

01:30:36   once you have that beat and you're [TS]

01:30:37   supposed to your job is I'm a smart guy [TS]

01:30:39   but I don't need domain knowledge I can [TS]

01:30:41   just go into any topic learn about it [TS]

01:30:43   enough to write a story like a magazine [TS]

01:30:45   writer or something you know you get [TS]

01:30:46   embedded with the troops and learn about [TS]

01:30:47   it or talk to some people at some [TS]

01:30:48   startup about technology learn enough [TS]

01:30:50   about technology to then summarize and [TS]

01:30:52   explain it to people or or do reporting [TS]

01:30:54   or sit in the White House press room and [TS]

01:30:56   ask questions and you will learn the [TS]

01:30:57   beat as you get on to it but your [TS]

01:30:59   training as a journalist is I don't I [TS]

01:31:01   don't have this job because I'm the guy [TS]

01:31:03   who knows the most about superconductors [TS]

01:31:05   i am from Time magazine interviewing the [TS]

01:31:07   scientist about superconductors because [TS]

01:31:08   I'm a journalist and [TS]

01:31:09   most can write a great story but [TS]

01:31:11   anything just send me in I'll figure it [TS]

01:31:12   out to the research right that's not me [TS]

01:31:15   i am not a journalist I've never have [TS]

01:31:16   been i don't want to be a journalist [TS]

01:31:18   it's not something I aspire to I have [TS]

01:31:20   very difficult time writing not even the [TS]

01:31:21   topics I know about I'm totally unable [TS]

01:31:23   to write about topics that I don't know [TS]

01:31:24   about I'm not interested in you know [TS]

01:31:26   researching them and figuring them out [TS]

01:31:28   people like I don't I don't want to be [TS]

01:31:29   the guy who has to tell you about the [TS]

01:31:31   police blotter in the small town like [TS]

01:31:33   that's that's not interesting to me at [TS]

01:31:36   all so I have very few chips on how to [TS]

01:31:38   be a journalist because I'm not one [TS]

01:31:39   don't know how to be one it would be a [TS]

01:31:40   terrible one if I had to be uh a few [TS]

01:31:43   things that I know I know by like [TS]

01:31:44   contact with other people i think was [TS]

01:31:46   this on the crossover I think I'm the [TS]

01:31:47   most recent episode the crossover with [TS]

01:31:49   Jason Snell he talked about how Dan [TS]

01:31:50   morin became a journalist yeah he wats [TS]

01:31:52   up to him and said I'd like I want to [TS]

01:31:53   write for you guys yeah the first thing [TS]

01:31:55   he did I think I actually learned [TS]

01:31:57   recently the very first thing that den [TS]

01:31:59   lauren had published on hope I don't get [TS]

01:32:00   this wrong dan is that he I don't know [TS]

01:32:03   how it got got into the paper but he [TS]

01:32:05   wrote something for the Boston Globe [TS]

01:32:06   about star wars episode one like I think [TS]

01:32:08   it was about the fandom or maybe was [TS]

01:32:10   before the thing came out or about [TS]

01:32:12   waiting in line I don't remember the [TS]

01:32:13   details but I was published in a [TS]

01:32:15   newspaper and that must have been [TS]

01:32:16   difficult to pull off but in this modern [TS]

01:32:18   age you know going up to Jason Snelling [TS]

01:32:21   at tradeshows saying hey I like Max I [TS]

01:32:23   wanna write for Mac world ah that's a [TS]

01:32:25   weird kind of getting your foot in the [TS]

01:32:26   door and at this point we're talking [TS]

01:32:28   about Lex Friedman Jason also talked [TS]

01:32:29   about didn't even have to see him in a [TS]

01:32:31   trade show we just tweeted to him and [TS]

01:32:32   said you know the macworld tweeted hey [TS]

01:32:34   we're looking people to review software [TS]

01:32:35   and lex replied and said all right i [TS]

01:32:38   like to review software and they gave [TS]

01:32:39   him a shot basically it's easier than [TS]

01:32:42   ever to get your foot in the door at [TS]

01:32:44   some established publication and if you [TS]

01:32:47   don't or can't do that you can always [TS]

01:32:48   try doing it on your own the bottom line [TS]

01:32:50   is that the reason to anymore and lex [TS]

01:32:51   friedman have jobs with macworld now is [TS]

01:32:53   because they're good at what they did [TS]

01:32:54   not awesome super great the very first [TS]

01:32:56   time out the door but there was [TS]

01:32:58   obviously like something there and how [TS]

01:33:00   did that something get there is it [TS]

01:33:01   because they spent their high school [TS]

01:33:03   careers at the student newspaper they're [TS]

01:33:04   really into English they read a lot of [TS]

01:33:06   books all those things combined like you [TS]

01:33:07   can't just be some random person who's [TS]

01:33:09   like you know what I think I might like [TS]

01:33:10   to try journalism you have to put in the [TS]

01:33:12   work to do all the stuff to become well [TS]

01:33:14   read read lots of journalism right stuff [TS]

01:33:16   on your own just be terrible at it for a [TS]

01:33:18   long time and work your way up and [TS]

01:33:20   eventually there's no reason why if you [TS]

01:33:23   work on that skill set entering truly [TS]

01:33:25   interested in a topic you can't get a [TS]

01:33:27   job in that field but I've never done it [TS]

01:33:29   myself and I don't don't want a job in [TS]

01:33:31   that field so I don't know how much i [TS]

01:33:33   hope i can give their all right how did [TS]

01:33:37   you become steven man no relation i [TS]

01:33:39   would be tickled if you ask john how did [TS]

01:33:43   you become such an accomplished critic [TS]

01:33:44   in other words how is that you are [TS]

01:33:48   capable of so efficiently and completely [TS]

01:33:52   breaking this stuff down finding out [TS]

01:33:55   what's wrong with things I think a lot [TS]

01:33:57   of it is genetic just like your [TS]

01:33:58   personality if you're a complainer beer [TS]

01:34:00   wire here you like complaining bus stuff [TS]

01:34:04   like and that hyper critical thing [TS]

01:34:05   artist acting I talked about that was [TS]

01:34:06   you know one of my major and eight skill [TS]

01:34:10   was the ability to figure out what's [TS]

01:34:14   wrong with things a lot of it has to do [TS]

01:34:17   with you know having that sort of [TS]

01:34:20   disposition but also growing up in a [TS]

01:34:22   house you know my family is Italian and [TS]

01:34:24   we would yell at each other and argue it [TS]

01:34:26   at the dinner table about everything so [TS]

01:34:29   if you're in like I don't know you see [TS]

01:34:32   you see the parodies of different types [TS]

01:34:33   of American families on television one [TS]

01:34:35   of the stereotypes is sort of the waspey [TS]

01:34:38   Protestant family having Thanksgiving [TS]

01:34:39   dinner very nicely and you know they [TS]

01:34:41   carve the turkey near in quietly so this [TS]

01:34:43   is wonderful mom and they eat them [TS]

01:34:44   whatever and the other stereotype is the [TS]

01:34:46   giant Italian family yelling at each [TS]

01:34:48   other over Thanksgiving there that was [TS]

01:34:49   right that way not in a bet you know [TS]

01:34:51   people see that like it depending on [TS]

01:34:53   where you're coming from you like you're [TS]

01:34:54   repulsed by that and I think it's awful [TS]

01:34:56   they all hate each other but if you're [TS]

01:34:57   from that tandem environment it makes [TS]

01:34:59   you it makes its heart warming and so [TS]

01:35:01   that's the environment I came from the [TS]

01:35:02   time where everyone's yelling at each [TS]

01:35:04   other over the table and arguing about [TS]

01:35:05   things constantly and if you want to [TS]

01:35:07   participate in that environment you [TS]

01:35:09   better be able to you know if you want [TS]

01:35:11   to be at the grown-up table you better [TS]

01:35:12   be able to argue with the grown-ups [TS]

01:35:14   about whatever it is that they're [TS]

01:35:15   talking about so I think that helped a [TS]

01:35:18   lot and also probably just being a nerd [TS]

01:35:21   and you know if you can't if you can't [TS]

01:35:24   excel in the areas but we're nerds tend [TS]

01:35:26   not to excel at least maybe you can [TS]

01:35:28   argue them into the ground I don't know [TS]

01:35:31   I just I'm pulling for anything here but [TS]

01:35:33   that that I think explains it's mostly [TS]

01:35:36   mostly innate and then combined with the [TS]

01:35:39   environment Kevin Connor Connor k do you [TS]

01:35:43   invert your view of your vertical look [TS]

01:35:45   access and to have strong feelings about [TS]

01:35:47   customized controls in general FPS or a [TS]

01:35:50   third person uh he doesn't say but I'm [TS]

01:35:54   going to assume FPS he's in the chat [TS]

01:35:58   room so and he should be paying [TS]

01:35:59   attention description well it's his [TS]

01:36:00   questionnaire so f BS no invert I don't [TS]

01:36:04   understand how people do inverted why [TS]

01:36:05   and the first person game it's crazy to [TS]

01:36:08   me Conor Casey says both yeah I suppose [TS]

01:36:11   you kind of like reverse scrolling in [TS]

01:36:13   line like you could probably get used to [TS]

01:36:15   it it's definitely where all those [TS]

01:36:15   things that will flip on you uh but it [TS]

01:36:18   doesn't mean it's not crazy like a good [TS]

01:36:19   example I've recently been telling my [TS]

01:36:21   son about this to try to teach him about [TS]

01:36:23   the wonders of the human mind but like [TS]

01:36:24   you know those uh I was telling him that [TS]

01:36:26   the image on the back of his retinas [TS]

01:36:27   displayed upside down because it lends [TS]

01:36:29   in his eye but doesn't look upside down [TS]

01:36:31   to you as your brain you know just [TS]

01:36:32   interprets it the right way right yeah [TS]

01:36:33   uh so they have glasses that you can put [TS]

01:36:36   on in front of your eyes are goggles or [TS]

01:36:37   whatever they will flip everything [TS]

01:36:38   around again so everything looks upside [TS]

01:36:40   down to you and you put them on you like [TS]

01:36:42   oh how I'm gonna walk around with these [TS]

01:36:43   glasses this Young's on the floor the [TS]

01:36:44   floors on the ceiling everything that [TS]

01:36:45   side down it's crazy but if you walk [TS]

01:36:47   around with them for a day your brain [TS]

01:36:49   will just and everything will look fine [TS]

01:36:50   so wait a minute wait a minute you [TS]

01:36:52   you're saying that everything will look [TS]

01:36:54   right side up again to you or your brain [TS]

01:36:59   will Justin will look normal to you it's [TS]

01:37:00   kind of like when you put on like ski [TS]

01:37:01   goggles and everything's yellow for a [TS]

01:37:03   little while but then eventually just [TS]

01:37:03   looks normal let me take them off [TS]

01:37:05   everything looks weird so if you put on [TS]

01:37:06   glasses that flip it vertically flip [TS]

01:37:08   everything that you see you will bump [TS]

01:37:11   into things for a little while but after [TS]

01:37:12   about a day you'll be used to it if you [TS]

01:37:14   don't take them off and your brain will [TS]

01:37:15   basically adjust uh-huh what was that [TS]

01:37:18   with you oh so the verge of Y axis so [TS]

01:37:20   the inverted scrolling and inverted axes [TS]

01:37:22   are similar like even lesser cases of [TS]

01:37:25   this where you would get used to it but [TS]

01:37:26   no I do not like inverted why in third [TS]

01:37:28   person this drives me nuts because I can [TS]

01:37:30   never remember what the hell my [TS]

01:37:31   preferences are so like examples are in [TS]

01:37:32   like myth the bungee game where you had [TS]

01:37:35   a camera control you will swivel you [TS]

01:37:37   would orbit your camera around your your [TS]

01:37:39   men or even things like you know just [TS]

01:37:41   like journey or something where's the [TS]

01:37:42   third person camera there is a way that [TS]

01:37:45   my brain works best in terms of like [TS]

01:37:47   what [TS]

01:37:47   you do if you want the camera to rotate [TS]

01:37:49   counterclockwise around the thing that [TS]

01:37:51   you're looking at do you press to the [TS]

01:37:53   left already oppressed to the right and [TS]

01:37:55   I can never remember which one I like [TS]

01:37:56   best except i have this mild discomfort [TS]

01:37:58   when it's the wrong one and then i [TS]

01:37:59   inverted I go that's much better you [TS]

01:38:02   know Mario 64 smell exemplar America [TS]

01:38:04   sunshine is a good example they had the [TS]

01:38:05   the c-stick free look the default [TS]

01:38:09   controls America sunshine for the camera [TS]

01:38:10   controls I think are the ones that I [TS]

01:38:11   like I can never remember you know what [TS]

01:38:13   uh the thing about third person is like [TS]

01:38:16   when I want the camera to look up at the [TS]

01:38:19   sky do I pull back like I'm like I'm [TS]

01:38:20   driving a plane looking up at the sky or [TS]

01:38:22   do I push forward uh and that one I can [TS]

01:38:25   never like I said I can never remember [TS]

01:38:26   my preferences are and i can also can t [TS]

01:38:28   remember what they consider invert or [TS]

01:38:29   not but FPS is clear-cut for me no [TS]

01:38:31   inverted why okay oh here's a neat one [TS]

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01:40:00   them for making [TS]

01:40:01   this show possible blue imagination asks [TS]

01:40:07   what is your favorite specific model [TS]

01:40:10   Apple device of all time it can be a [TS]

01:40:13   computer a phone a tablet etc that's [TS]

01:40:16   easy i actually already answered that in [TS]

01:40:18   the when macro magazine had its 25th [TS]

01:40:21   anniversary of the mac issue they [TS]

01:40:23   solicited feedback from various current [TS]

01:40:26   day Mac pundit people whatever right [TS]

01:40:29   including me and John Gruber and much [TS]

01:40:31   other people yeah and I think three of [TS]

01:40:34   us prop three of us of similar ages pick [TS]

01:40:37   the very same best Mac of all time and [TS]

01:40:39   that is and continues to be my favorite [TS]

01:40:41   thing that Apple has ever made that's [TS]

01:40:43   the mac se 30 which most people see me [TS]

01:40:45   that show probably don't know what it is [TS]

01:40:46   but if you want to like there are space [TS]

01:40:49   limitations in Macworld so I can only [TS]

01:40:51   write like 200 words about it but I [TS]

01:40:52   could have written like 3000 I'll try to [TS]

01:40:55   find a link for the show notes to that [TS]

01:40:57   particular story on Mac world's new [TS]

01:40:58   website I think you should love it moved [TS]

01:41:00   around but the gist of it is that the [TS]

01:41:02   Macintosh originally was that little [TS]

01:41:03   computer that most people should know it [TS]

01:41:06   looks like like a little vertical thing [TS]

01:41:07   with little nine inch CRT stuck in the [TS]

01:41:09   front of them poppy drive in the front [TS]

01:41:11   it looks kind of like a mouth looks like [TS]

01:41:12   a little person have you ever seen the [TS]

01:41:14   banana junior from bloom County that's [TS]

01:41:16   what it's based on that's what that's [TS]

01:41:18   what the Mac was in the beginning and [TS]

01:41:20   they came with the mac plus and the mac [TS]

01:41:21   SE all same form factor different [TS]

01:41:23   details about the surface features but [TS]

01:41:24   more or less the vertical little thing [TS]

01:41:26   and then the mac to came out and it was [TS]

01:41:28   more like a pc slab type thing and then [TS]

01:41:30   Mac start bearing from that point on [TS]

01:41:32   both to the Mac from the beginning was [TS]

01:41:33   that vertical thing on the Mac se 30 was [TS]

01:41:36   basically a Mac 2x which is the big [TS]

01:41:39   powerful machine shoved into the little [TS]

01:41:42   big powerful color machine shoved into [TS]

01:41:44   the little original black and white kind [TS]

01:41:45   of case like that form factor and so it [TS]

01:41:48   was small and look like an original mac [TS]

01:41:50   but had the internals of what was then [TS]

01:41:52   apple's fastest computer you could buy [TS]

01:41:54   and that was kind of like I think the [TS]

01:41:56   analogy is in the macworld thing was [TS]

01:41:58   like you know putting a Ferrari v8 [TS]

01:42:01   engine into into a Honda Civic like it [TS]

01:42:03   was this little compact little package [TS]

01:42:05   that a regular person could afford kind [TS]

01:42:07   of it was like 40 300 bucks in like [TS]

01:42:09   nineteen eighty-seven so ok maybe not [TS]

01:42:10   you know so it was very few people cry [TS]

01:42:13   for it's still less than the mac [TS]

01:42:14   because I had to buy a monitor with two [TS]

01:42:16   in the monitor was like 800 bucks or [TS]

01:42:17   some crazy you know so it in a small [TS]

01:42:20   package that I could fit on my desk [TS]

01:42:21   right on top of my stack of existing [TS]

01:42:23   hard drives with the exactly a footprint [TS]

01:42:24   but inside that was like you know speed [TS]

01:42:27   demon engine and and like I think I said [TS]

01:42:29   in the macro thing this was back in the [TS]

01:42:31   age when every new computer that Apple [TS]

01:42:34   came out with was better than all of its [TS]

01:42:36   previous computers in every possible way [TS]

01:42:38   so like when the next computer came out [TS]

01:42:40   the old computer had mono stand this one [TS]

01:42:42   had stereo the old computer had this [TS]

01:42:44   much ram this one had more the old [TS]

01:42:45   computer hit had this much harder his [TS]

01:42:47   face this one had more the old computer [TS]

01:42:48   had the speed cpu this one was faster [TS]

01:42:50   every single part of it was better like [TS]

01:42:52   there was no like oh here's a new model [TS]

01:42:54   and it's like you know what when a new [TS]

01:42:55   mac mini would come out back on the mac [TS]

01:42:57   pro was being updated you didn't expect [TS]

01:42:58   the brand new mac mini to be faster than [TS]

01:43:00   the modern-day mac pro and like you know [TS]

01:43:02   not 2007 let's say when the mac pros [TS]

01:43:03   were still being updated right of course [TS]

01:43:06   apples you know the new mac mini is not [TS]

01:43:07   going to be faster than last year's mac [TS]

01:43:09   pro because they have a segmented [TS]

01:43:10   product line but this was very early the [TS]

01:43:12   beginning of apple every single new mac [TS]

01:43:14   was the best mac there ever was and so [TS]

01:43:17   SE 30 was like the last of that line [TS]

01:43:21   where I was like this is better than the [TS]

01:43:23   mac SE and the mac plus and even better [TS]

01:43:26   than the mac to which was that big [TS]

01:43:27   gargantuan you know pc looking thing we [TS]

01:43:29   had to buy a separate monitor for you [TS]

01:43:31   could even put a 24-bit color card into [TS]

01:43:33   the thing which i did so that was the [TS]

01:43:37   end of the line for that and it was also [TS]

01:43:39   the best original form factor mac they [TS]

01:43:41   ever made is even things like the mat [TS]

01:43:44   classic and stuff that was back in the [TS]

01:43:45   age when it's like all right well here's [TS]

01:43:47   the mat classic and it's not as good as [TS]

01:43:48   the modern max but if you want some [TS]

01:43:50   dorky little thing that looks like the [TS]

01:43:51   old Mac you can have it like that was [TS]

01:43:52   totally not or we talking about this was [TS]

01:43:55   a high prestige high-class best-in-class [TS]

01:43:57   in every possible way awesome machine [TS]

01:43:59   and it was the end of that line and it [TS]

01:44:01   was the best original form factor Mac [TS]

01:44:03   and so that's why it's my favorite and I [TS]

01:44:05   had the computer for years like I had it [TS]

01:44:07   I that was my computer when i graduated [TS]

01:44:10   college in 1997 and mac SE 30 with a [TS]

01:44:13   24-bit color card in a color monitor it [TS]

01:44:16   tells you how long that thing last if [TS]

01:44:18   you bought it when it was new I mean [TS]

01:44:21   fine I how many more of these do you [TS]

01:44:22   want you can you can cut it off you can [TS]

01:44:25   pick how long you want the show to go it [TS]

01:44:26   seems like you have an unlimited [TS]

01:44:28   supply of someone chatroom asked me [TS]

01:44:30   pancetta prosciutto in my carbonara I've [TS]

01:44:34   done all sorts of kind but my wife likes [TS]

01:44:37   best a good old-fashioned American bacon [TS]

01:44:39   and so that's what I make most of the [TS]

01:44:40   time in my karbonn are as sacrilegious [TS]

01:44:43   as that may be i would definitely pick [TS]

01:44:46   pinch at over your dildo or whatever [TS]

01:44:48   that's work and guanciale hard to find [TS]

01:44:51   and usually more expensive than pancetta [TS]

01:44:56   okay ah let's see I don't do too many of [TS]

01:45:03   these people get angry at me because if [TS]

01:45:04   I you buy you saying that it's my choice [TS]

01:45:07   when people get angry so let me see oh [TS]

01:45:11   man how technical died only get too [TS]

01:45:16   technical nice i want i'm trying to pick [TS]

01:45:17   the ones that are about you about the [TS]

01:45:19   man the man this is this is dealt part [TS]

01:45:22   of the show is that dant you working to [TS]

01:45:24   submit all the questions but dan is the [TS]

01:45:25   arbiter of them so if you you obviously [TS]

01:45:28   have a theme in mind for the questions [TS]

01:45:30   you're selecting and that's just what [TS]

01:45:31   the listeners have to accept someone [TS]

01:45:34   keeps asking about my wallet it's not a [TS]

01:45:36   costanza wallet it's not super slim [TS]

01:45:38   either it's maybe like inch thick less [TS]

01:45:41   than it it's a trifold uh it's not that [TS]

01:45:44   big I do put into my front pocket now my [TS]

01:45:46   back though because i think i put on my [TS]

01:45:47   back pocket i would get the costanza [TS]

01:45:49   spine who puts their wall in the back [TS]

01:45:52   pack of these days you your wallet in [TS]

01:45:53   front pocket right uh it depends [TS]

01:45:55   actually really you did like you put in [TS]

01:45:58   your back pocket when you know you're [TS]

01:45:59   gonna be sitting down at some point no [TS]

01:46:01   not if I'm gonna be sitting down I might [TS]

01:46:02   actually take it take it out completely [TS]

01:46:04   oh you but you're from the Northeast [TS]

01:46:06   aren't you are no people it's easier to [TS]

01:46:08   pick pocket under your back yeah so I if [TS]

01:46:10   I'm out somewhere it goes in the front [TS]

01:46:12   pocket then you can feel that it's there [TS]

01:46:14   someone's sick sore hand your front [TS]

01:46:16   pocket you're more likely to kill ready [TS]

01:46:17   might notice yet it's there's too much [TS]

01:46:19   but fat you wont I don't feel the lift [TS]

01:46:20   yeah I'm feeling lived all right um I [TS]

01:46:24   don't I feel like we should stop I feel [TS]

01:46:27   like we should stop I feel like this was [TS]

01:46:28   really good and the rest of them that [TS]

01:46:30   they're starting to get mired in really [TS]

01:46:33   specific little details and and things [TS]

01:46:35   like that god forbid we get mired yeah [TS]

01:46:37   yeah I'm last one Michael stieber asks [TS]

01:46:40   have you finished those [TS]

01:46:41   turns en paz look will brian powell will [TS]

01:46:48   John ever admit that using a toaster for [TS]

01:46:51   toaster oven for toasting bread and [TS]

01:46:52   bagels is a bad idea removal I admit [TS]

01:46:55   I'll show about it I know that is only a [TS]

01:46:58   whole big preface on the show is that [TS]

01:46:59   yes if you if you it's easier to get [TS]

01:47:02   fast toasting even toasting from a slot [TS]

01:47:04   toaster but I don't want a slot toaster [TS]

01:47:05   because i use it for oven like things [TS]

01:47:08   and so i don't have room for both you [TS]

01:47:10   know room for both you need to use a [TS]

01:47:11   problem like things i wanted to toast [TS]

01:47:12   your oven that worked it's not like [TS]

01:47:14   admitting a slot toaster is but I said [TS]

01:47:16   it on the show go back and listen right [TS]

01:47:18   Clark goble what do you see the future [TS]

01:47:20   of iCloud being given there are still [TS]

01:47:24   wait ok let me this is a little bit [TS]

01:47:26   second attempt what do you see the [TS]

01:47:29   future of iCloud being given there are [TS]

01:47:33   still huge problems i'm editing this as [TS]

01:47:36   i go with Doc and core data syncing [TS]

01:47:38   after two years if you try they go keep [TS]

01:47:41   plugging away at it uh I think I cloud [TS]

01:47:43   is probably the last embarrassing rename [TS]

01:47:46   because it is past some threshold [TS]

01:47:49   probably pass some threads like you know [TS]

01:47:52   that again getting by through northeast [TS]

01:47:54   stuff what was it was it Bell Atlantic [TS]

01:47:55   there was there was ma belle and then [TS]

01:47:59   there was Bell Atlantic which is my name [TS]

01:48:00   one of the smaller things when they [TS]

01:48:02   broke up 18t and i forget what bell [TS]

01:48:05   atlantic change too but like phone [TS]

01:48:06   companies back then and still to this [TS]

01:48:08   day kept changing their name because the [TS]

01:48:10   old phone company would have such an [TS]

01:48:11   incredibly terrible reputation because [TS]

01:48:12   everyone hated bell atlantic and they [TS]

01:48:14   changed or whatever they change it to [TS]

01:48:15   like that's how things like verizon and [TS]

01:48:17   singular came to exist because those are [TS]

01:48:20   new names for old things there they had [TS]

01:48:22   to keep changing the name over and over [TS]

01:48:23   again because people just hated with the [TS]

01:48:26   passion and then you know now people [TS]

01:48:27   hate like eighteen t or verizon or [TS]

01:48:29   whatever it may be those companies had [TS]

01:48:30   to change the names to that is like you [TS]

01:48:33   don't want to be in that cycle and [TS]

01:48:34   apples in that cycle does online [TS]

01:48:35   services nobody was you know I guess I [TS]

01:48:37   tool so it's free whatever you know fine [TS]

01:48:39   dot Mac did not have a good reputation [TS]

01:48:41   mobileme did not have a good reputation [TS]

01:48:43   so they had to keep changing the name to [TS]

01:48:44   say no no seriously it's going to be [TS]

01:48:46   good this time and to prove it I'll bail [TS]

01:48:48   then take a 9x yeah 9x was another one [TS]

01:48:50   gte yeah someone the chatroom says bell [TS]

01:48:53   atlantic plus 9x plus dt equals what [TS]

01:48:55   is now Verizon uh anyway you don't want [TS]

01:48:58   help comcast xfinity oh yeah comcastic [TS]

01:49:01   uh so for iCloud I'm hoping this is the [TS]

01:49:04   last big green name that I cloud passes [TS]

01:49:08   some minimum thresholds for non [TS]

01:49:09   suckitude that they can just simply [TS]

01:49:11   improve iCloud and it needs to be [TS]

01:49:13   improved and every we all know what the [TS]

01:49:14   problems are uh the problem with Apple [TS]

01:49:18   secrecy is they never beyond saying that [TS]

01:49:21   now the cloud is the center instead of [TS]

01:49:22   the digital hub they never articulate [TS]

01:49:24   their philosophy of like we have they're [TS]

01:49:25   just kind of tea leaf read of like why [TS]

01:49:27   is it that each application it gets its [TS]

01:49:28   own container well I guess it's simpler [TS]

01:49:30   but then how are they gonna share data [TS]

01:49:31   well I think sharing is not that [TS]

01:49:32   important you could do everything you're [TS]

01:49:33   in the apps or maybe email like we're [TS]

01:49:35   just trying to figure out what is it [TS]

01:49:36   that you think you're doing and part of [TS]

01:49:38   it is like imagine that there's some [TS]

01:49:40   master plan maybe there isn't and the [TS]

01:49:42   other product is just maybe their plan [TS]

01:49:44   is stupid and doesn't doesn't reflect [TS]

01:49:46   the needs of their customers but I think [TS]

01:49:49   they'll keep plugging away at it I think [TS]

01:49:51   that even within the current broken [TS]

01:49:53   paradigm of these little independent [TS]

01:49:55   silos and everything they can't even get [TS]

01:49:56   that to work right I get that to be [TS]

01:49:58   reliable fast predictable and maybe then [TS]

01:50:01   or maybe in parallel also worried about [TS]

01:50:02   what you're gonna do but boring stuff [TS]

01:50:05   like implementation competence is does [TS]

01:50:07   it perform well does it do what you say [TS]

01:50:09   it's going to do even if what you say [TS]

01:50:11   its gonna do is stupid you have to at [TS]

01:50:13   least you know get competent because [TS]

01:50:14   then what happens if you come up with a [TS]

01:50:16   grand new plan oh no wait guys I have a [TS]

01:50:18   way to do it that's simple and let's [TS]

01:50:20   allow sharing and is multifamily [TS]

01:50:22   multi-person savvy within a family and [TS]

01:50:25   it's just great if you can't get it to [TS]

01:50:26   work it doesn't matter if your idea is [TS]

01:50:28   better so I think they need to focus on [TS]

01:50:30   execution and also come up with a better [TS]

01:50:32   idea and I think they will keep plugging [TS]

01:50:34   away at because I cloud does is so much [TS]

01:50:37   better than mobile me and all those [TS]

01:50:38   other things am it's more on the right [TS]

01:50:40   track so there Alex I think I've there's [TS]

01:50:43   one last question all right Bill Keller [TS]

01:50:46   in the chat room asked and maybe you [TS]

01:50:49   answer this one in there but he has a [TS]

01:50:51   you didn't answer here we talked about [TS]

01:50:53   pearl and things like that before what [TS]

01:50:55   type of programming projects do you work [TS]

01:50:57   on in your day job paint it paint and [TS]

01:50:59   this is my elaboration paint a picture [TS]

01:51:01   of what a day a work day in the life of [TS]

01:51:04   John circus is like we can end on that [TS]

01:51:06   what kind I don't know [TS]

01:51:08   something known as I don't talk about my [TS]

01:51:10   work on the show because I don't want [TS]

01:51:11   this to be a show about my work cuz that [TS]

01:51:13   would be like back to work I'm already [TS]

01:51:14   out of that show but suffice it to say [TS]

01:51:17   that my day is the typical day of a back [TS]

01:51:21   end web developer I do stuff with pearl [TS]

01:51:24   that talks to databases and you know [TS]

01:51:28   client-side stuff with HTML Javascript [TS]

01:51:31   and CSS and you know all the all the [TS]

01:51:33   typical things that you would expect to [TS]

01:51:35   do depending on what project them on [TS]

01:51:36   maybe I'm doing stuff that's totally [TS]

01:51:38   away from the client or doing anything [TS]

01:51:39   having to do with the browser maybe it's [TS]

01:51:40   completely faceless jobs in the [TS]

01:51:42   background that you know talk to the [TS]

01:51:44   file system and the database or maybe [TS]

01:51:46   I'm doing stuff it's all front end and [TS]

01:51:48   it's just tweaking a user interface and [TS]

01:51:49   connecting it up with some existing [TS]

01:51:50   functionality or maybe it's just CSS and [TS]

01:51:52   JavaScript weeks and everything in [TS]

01:51:54   between day-to-day it depends on the [TS]

01:51:57   project depends on what you're doing but [TS]

01:51:58   that's that's basically at just the [TS]

01:52:00   typical day working programmer I [TS]

01:52:01   interact with the bug tracking system [TS]

01:52:03   and source control and text editors like [TS]

01:52:06   it's it's not it's not rocket science [TS]

01:52:09   it's pretty much what it is it's a [TS]

01:52:10   typical developer type of environment [TS]

01:52:13   hope the answers the question all [TS]

01:52:17   systems are boring because I don't think [TS]

01:52:19   so i think this is exactly what people [TS]

01:52:21   in here I maybe don't mean maybe people [TS]

01:52:23   don't know like if you're not a [TS]

01:52:23   developer maybe it is mysterious what [TS]

01:52:25   you do but like if you are a developer [TS]

01:52:26   it becomes not mysterious very quickly [TS]

01:52:28   like how you just you're just a guy [TS]

01:52:31   you're writing code your yeah not like I [TS]

01:52:34   think I guess I can remember when your [TS]

01:52:35   novice you're like I remember when I was [TS]

01:52:37   I was starting out of like version [TS]

01:52:39   control was mysterious to me like cuz if [TS]

01:52:41   you you know if you're just starting out [TS]

01:52:42   as a programmer your ear you know 15 [TS]

01:52:44   year old kid by yourself or whatever [TS]

01:52:45   like why would you have version control [TS]

01:52:46   I hear tales of CBS the jeribai this the [TS]

01:52:49   way to you know do version control you [TS]

01:52:51   like oh but I don't know that how am I [TS]

01:52:52   ever gonna be working program I don't [TS]

01:52:53   understand CBS and you know three jobs [TS]

01:52:56   in you realize but and the blood [TS]

01:52:59   pressure control is and now it doesn't [TS]

01:53:00   matter which version control system [TS]

01:53:01   you're using you're gonna hate it and [TS]

01:53:03   yeah it becomes just part of the job uh [TS]

01:53:06   you don't worry about it but all right [TS]

01:53:09   well I'm gonna say that's it I but next [TS]

01:53:11   week we'll have a regular a regular [TS]

01:53:13   style episode or I'll make you interview [TS]

01:53:16   oh alright I told you this doesn't count [TS]

01:53:19   as you interviewing me this is all [TS]

01:53:20   readers yeah these are all readers [TS]

01:53:21   questions [TS]

01:53:22   sir listeners ask me question if I can't [TS]

01:53:24   come up with the topic or if I think [TS]

01:53:25   that is the topic to do is to have you [TS]

01:53:27   interviewed me you still have to be [TS]

01:53:28   ready at any time the moments notice you [TS]

01:53:30   called two of them and say Dan wake up [TS]

01:53:32   I'll be ready yeah I would I mean my [TS]

01:53:36   your show but I my suggestion would be [TS]

01:53:38   that be the final final episode but I [TS]

01:53:40   mean I told you I I know what the final [TS]

01:53:42   so it's gonna be and that is not that is [TS]

01:53:43   not it all right so I've got two there's [TS]

01:53:46   two potential shows 1998-99 that I could [TS]

01:53:49   potentially be called upon so or not or [TS]

01:53:52   not or not but I'm ready either way okay [TS]

01:53:54   so if people would like to follow you on [TS]

01:53:55   twitter syracuse is IRA see you si [TS]

01:53:59   there's no Z and you are siracusa on [TS]

01:54:03   Alpha and you've got Syria just for you [TS]

01:54:06   Syracuse intent i F and that's [TS]

01:54:12   everything right and so hyper critical [TS]

01:54:15   dot co they want to read your your free [TS]

01:54:20   blog post three blog posts per day that [TS]

01:54:22   you're doing for a year now and five by [TS]

01:54:27   five died TV such hypercritical session [TS]

01:54:28   97 has a some links and notes that John [TS]

01:54:31   and I have added for you guys to read to [TS]

01:54:33   go check it out it's not too late to [TS]

01:54:36   review or rape this show so go do that [TS]

01:54:39   on iTunes if you'd like I'm damn [TS]

01:54:41   Benjamin on Twitter and here that's it [TS]

01:54:45   have a good one deunan [TS]

01:55:00   you [TS]