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this is hypercritical weekly talk show
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ruminating on exactly what is wrong in
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the world of Apple and related
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technologies and businesses nothing is
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so perfect it cannot be complained about
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by my co-host and your friend John
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siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is
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Friday November 23rd 2012 this is our
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doing fine on this Black Friday dan you
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out there shopping you hitting the in
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the streets shopping I'm hitting the
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internet oh that count that counts for
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something much lower chance of being
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trampled to death what are you getting
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on the internet no same things i always
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get computer stuff computer stuff like
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one people want to know they were no
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stalking a cheap SD card in preparation
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for doing my data transfer from my wii
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to my as yet untested card for that okay
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and I don't have any hanging around I
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don't think so i'll try to get one of
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those it ridiculous bargain prices i'll
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look at the Apple deal see if anything
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good there I doubt there'll be anything
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good because it'll just be like you know
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ten bucks offer 30 bucks off or
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something no no I'm just poking around
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for you know stuff
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batteries and extension cords that is
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not that exciting or important but if
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you can get one for like ninety-eight
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percent off like all right well I need
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that if I needed that already why not
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now it's time to get that stuff not
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looking to buy anything I don't actually
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need just because it's cheap right you
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want you want the stuff you need that's
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all as the old people say that's how
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they get you or at least some old people
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say something like that all right and
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there's another reason this is a black
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friday and what reason is that dan I it
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is a black friday i suppose because we
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are going to discuss the end of
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hypercritical which is not this episode
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we've got five more after this that's
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right but the show that you are
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listening to now will be ending at
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episode 100 including episode 100 yes
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including any that sounds like a nice
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round number but it's not really it's
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not like I you know thanks for a hundred
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episodes right because two of those were
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kind of criticals which were you know
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episodes where Marco and Merlin filled
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in for me so it's not really a hundred
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episodes but yes as you announced in
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your five by five state of the union
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address on one was that like Monday or
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something uh yes that was monday that i
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released that I think or sunday i
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believe alright so Marcos ending build
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and analyzed and I am also ending this
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show both of them would have done or
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what he's done more than a hundred
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episodes somehow he got ahead of you i
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thought they I thought you started first
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but he started four okay he start a
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little bit first so he's done a few more
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episodes but both of you guys as I said
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in the State of the Union address and as
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you have as you have mentioned on
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twitter and hopefully we'll go into more
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detail now this has been and you had
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said to me the very first time when I
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after you were on the pipeline interview
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with me and you did a show a
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conversation with me where we had gabe
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newell on and I was so thrilled to do
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those shows with you that I proposed
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that we do a regular show and you at the
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time said i don't i don't know how much
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i actually have to complain about
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however i will do some shows and I don't
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know it if that means a few months or
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more turns out more than two years worth
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of stuff to complain about
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and you would always tell me I don't
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know how many more I can do but I'll do
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some more and so I always knew that one
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day that the day would come where you
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would say I'm I'm done complaining for a
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little while or forever yep I mean I
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people been asking why why and now and
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and by the way many many people have
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replied by Twitter and email and stopped
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to to say thank you for the show and
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that they enjoyed it or alternately to
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beg me not to stop I have not been able
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to respond every single one of those
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replies because there's just there's too
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many of them so I just that my policy
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was I can't respond individually unless
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someone asked some sort of specific
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question but I do appreciate everyone
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sending the tweets and their emails even
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if I didn't respond he was just because
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there were too many I was I was
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surprised by the outpouring and it was
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very nice to see all the affection and
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thanks and surprisingly this is also
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take this opportunity to gauge the
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success of various social networks or
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how people use things way more tweets
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than emails like you know as we have the
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feedback form and every week we get
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feedback about the show and follow-up
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and stuff like that or whatever so
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people know where that form is but the
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vast vast vast majority of people saying
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anything about the ending of the show
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came through Twitter right that little
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literally thousands of them whereas
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number of emails it was maybe you know
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like 20 30 or 40 those hope that's
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interesting to me just from a sort of
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digital digital anthropological
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perspective that if you because if you
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want to send just like a little note
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like hey thanks for the show like you
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don't want to write sit down write a big
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long email you just want to say some
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nice thing twitter is the perfect medium
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or that some anyway I pre-show that also
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an app that net people have been saying
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slightly longer thinks 255 character
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things but yeah I feel like that at this
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point the show has or has run its course
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like when I started the show and you're
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right it was basically for people who
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don't know behind the scenes it was like
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pulling teeth to get me to do this show
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10 dan is nothing if not persistent and
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so even just managed to do it but it was
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not like you know he you put in
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considerable effort to coerce me into
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doing the show at all like you know
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period and so once I did it unlike our I
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have a list of topics I want to cover
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and you know
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you broad area you did I remember in the
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beginning I've never seen the list by
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the way but you had this long detailed
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list that that that you would you would
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refer to yeah and it was that detail
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like one line item was like toasters
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that's all it said it was just a bullet
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point on the word toasters right this is
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I was sitting there on the list right
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you know I had video game consoles and
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you know but a bunch of a large topics
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of course television it was the very
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first show lots of big topics we want to
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do and I would add to that list
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eventually I to stop using that list but
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I had in mind a certain set of topics
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and I think I've covered pretty much
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everything I wanted to cover this show
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was never meant as sort of an ongoing
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news type program where we like you know
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I don't know like an example like
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Twitter or something where you just
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start even I mean I guess amplified kind
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of where we're like the show is a led a
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little bit by the news like occasionally
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we use the news as a jumping off point
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to discuss a topic like the last show we
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talked about arm and apple and that was
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using that story in wherever was
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business week or whatever about rumors
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of apple switching to arm processors and
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its max that was the news instigation
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but it wasn't that the show wasn't about
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let's talk about that news it was not
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even a current event it just if there
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was something there that triggered a
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thought for you then that would could be
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a topic of conversation potential right
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so that it was used as a way to enter
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into a conversation about something
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broader topic and of course talking
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about major news events every year was
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also expected like the Apple Keynote
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significant apple new harbour of course
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we're going to talk about those you know
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leading up to him stuff like that but
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that still leaves many many weeks in the
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year where there's not a major Apple
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event and there's not something in the
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news that just coincidentally serves as
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a jumping off point to a broader topic
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that I want to talk about so one of the
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big questions of people who didn't want
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the show down and say why not just do
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the show less frequently like all right
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so maybe there's not you don't want it
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to be a new show and it's not a lot of
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topics I do it every to do once a month
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week so once a month once every other
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month right so that brings up the next
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factor in this and buy them all these
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things like i'm i'm mostly summarizing
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your state of the union because you
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pretty much got everything right in
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there next point is that you know
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preparing for these shows takes time
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and it's not time that can easily be
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moved it's like you know the show is
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going to come on a certain schedule and
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that schedule doesn't move too much
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occasionally we've done you know on a
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weekend or something like that but you
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know a weekly or any sort of regular
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schedule show you know you need to it
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needs to be done that it doesn't move
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it's like a hard deadline and the the
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burden of the obligation to do that
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preparation is sort of bounced off by
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the good feelings of having done a good
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show and I know positive positive
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feedback from listeners and everything
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like so on the one side of is it is like
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wouldn't it feel good not to have to do
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a show this week or every week you know
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like I like that I don't have that
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homework assignment hanging out over my
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head and on the flip side of that is
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wouldn't it feel bad to not have done a
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show this week because you know enjoy me
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that are doing a child it's fun to do a
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show right so those two things have
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always been sort of a balancing off each
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other and when the relief of not having
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to do a show starts to surpass the
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potential regret of not having done the
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how long it went i think the show wait
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to show wait to show should have ended
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uh and so like like you said in the
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that is not a job and it's also believed
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not doing a one hour podcast every week
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it would be nice that was a full-time
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less than the burden of going to an
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actual full time job site and by the way
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have a luxury of being one of these
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folks that works from home uh you you go
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into an office I've seen a picture of
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you in your office oh it's not even in
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office it's an it's a cube and you go in
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there not even a cube anymore it's not
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even cute anymore wow okay so and you
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that's cut your career short become
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chunk of time on friday to be home but
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really have to show that ghetto back so
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on I'm you know doing regular
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my job and so like the normal day is you
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everything get them dressed get them off
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to school right and then go off to work
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home from work make dinner and deal with
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homework and bath and do bedtimes and
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everything uh and then at that point uh
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yeah I don't meditate like like you do
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it you know I don't need that stuff but
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typing and you know sitting in front of
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the TV is like it's actual positive
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reinforcement is it up by sitting in
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activity that I can do without typing
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using a mouse but anyway ah that
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unwinding time you know I need because
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my schedule from the moment I wake up in
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like my time and to have to go
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immediately from getting them into bed
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too okay now I have to do is a show prep
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for four hours and then I'll go to sleep
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you know that that cuts out like either
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either gives up my you know free time
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entirely for one day week or partially
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that week which usually have runs they
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usually not do it all at once and that
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stops so like this that's the burden
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it's balanced off by like the you know
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how much I enjoy the show and everything
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podcasts I'm on and frequently so if I
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of free time and anything else I might
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want to do is so many things that you
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know I might want to get into a try or
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you know even though the non computer
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wood working as an example because i'm
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not actually encumbered working but it's
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a good example but say i just wanted to
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get into woodwork Oh what am I going to
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find time to do that you know so I think
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now is the time both in terms of you
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know subject matter and things I wanted
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to cover and also like time for me to
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you know cut this out and try something
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else for a while give give you know a
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see what else there is out there like
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two years is longer than I thought this
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would go I thought it may be the last
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year yeah that's what you're saying you
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you didn't you would not even commit to
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the year thing I mean I know I was not
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pressuring you to commit to it i was
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just saying like you were you were never
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like yeah um let's do for a year and see
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whatever you were like I I may only do
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one episode yeah or it could be like a
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couple months or whatever but I'm as
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surprised as anyone that it has gone on
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two years it's a testament to how much
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I've enjoyed doing the show but now I
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think it's definitely time to stop and
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so like there why not do it less
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frequently wouldn't that give you more
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free time or whatever it's like I just
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wanna you know just cut it off entirely
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so this is one hundred we're gonna be
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out even though it's not really hundreds
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like ninety eight ish or whatever and
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even if we don't make it to 100 because
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something happens or whatever probably
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you know basically through the end of
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the year will have gone for basically
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two years it will be you know the end
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it's a nice and cutting off point I
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think what I believe in behind is a nice
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body of work which I'm probably gonna
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talk about on some other show but not
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this one so I have a few things planned
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for the last few episodes like we're on
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is 95 so we got five more five more one
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show before the end it will be a Q&A
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show or I will take questions from the
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chat room it's not going to be this show
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you're listening to us now and you're
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one of those people who hangs out in the
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chat room uh it's good and under they
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have sales like this like you don't know
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which show it's going to be just being I
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would like to say oh it's definitely
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gonna be the next show it's gonna be 97
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or something but I don't know I don't
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know what it's gonna be it would
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probably be the show where I am least
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prepared for the show that we can I say
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you know what this week is the Q&A show
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so anyway if you're interested in being
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in the Q&A so I'm sorry that I can't
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tell you ahead of time which show will
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be but on the other hand at dads
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elements of excitement and chance so who
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knows maybe you will be in the chat room
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when we do the Q&A show start thinking
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of your questions now there will be no
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formal process for submitting questions
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it would just be chaos because that's
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what the chat room is about chaos and if
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no one has questions then i'll just make
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put on your interview her hat and then
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we know those questions can be anything
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like they don't have to be about the
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ending of the show they could be about
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anything at all doesn't mean I'll answer
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them doesn't mean I'll have good answers
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but you know fully open field a lot of
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people but asking about this as well
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like why don't you do a show where you
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will happen before the end of that will
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happen yes okay uh and the final show
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episode 100 or whatever the final show
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is I already know what that show will be
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about so I'm not going to tell you so
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you don't need to give me ideas of what
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I should do for the last show no but
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just like with loss just like with lost
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you wrote the premiere and the finale at
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the same time that's true actually I
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knew I always know the less you always
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knew be about yes all right so do you
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think I covered that is there anything
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else do we need to talk about like that
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retrospective about the show that's not
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what the flesh I was entirely gonna be
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about but I don't have like a like an
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audio montage and you know music
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dramatic music swelling up and I'll have
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something all right seems like the chat
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the sentiment the overall sentiment
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there's a lot of I know that you don't
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always activate your motion
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there are a lot of the scent overall
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overwhelming sentiment is kind of all
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the stages of sadness you know like the
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denial and disbelief and rejection anger
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all of it people are going through all
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including me are going through all of
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these things and i I just I just want to
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add and you kind of mentioned this but
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you cannot be persuaded that's one thing
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its is it you can't be persuaded there's
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nothing that I can do or that other
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folks can do that would encourage you to
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continue for example we should not start
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a Kickstarter project oh yeah you should
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not do that I mean there's nothing
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typical way made every effort to try to
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make the show not and but like there's
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nothing reasonable you can do it was
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like well if you're gonna get a million
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dollars in a little bit you stop no of
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course not man if you can give me a
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million dollars in episode I will do
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this show for at least 100 more that's
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up for a hundred million of axial examle
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and you know what I mean like nothing
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reasonable right there's nothing
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are we are and will continue to be best
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when I don't research them for you
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answer that has not happened for a long
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what does that mean well it means that
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my blog titled hypercritical which
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exist yes the blog that gets one post a
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year that blog the blog that nobody
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continue to exist and by the way i have
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a new URL for that type of critical that
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considering trying is i don't know if
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seen you you were adamant when we
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a name for the show and you were very
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clear that you would you would this name
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haven't use and that if you did a show
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concept everything that that was that
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so I could in theory do another podcast
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called hypercritical now I have no plans
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to do this and it still wouldn't be the
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same show as this because the show was
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me and you and if I did another podcast
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probably ever do that boo who knows but
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it would definitely be different than
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cast of people maybe be me by myself
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you know people come out of the woodwork
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like no I want to break yeah shot
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everybody just I need a break right
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podcast I will be ready to explode and
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want to come in and do something else
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but anyway there could very well be
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another podcast with the title
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everybody everybody listening to this
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and whenever you're ready wherever you
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are whenever it whatever format you
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decide to deploy yourself in we are
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ready and we will miss you yeah I have a
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feeling though mostly be sporadic stuff
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like maybe I'll do a couple episodes
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some show with some random people I
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doubt I have no plans do any podcast
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collabera critical but if i do if i try
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blogging my blog they need to be called
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URL but I can't get it so I still for
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calm and they would stick on wwe.com and
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they would try to find the URL and now
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they're being weird about that what I do
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a Google search half the time anyway I
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still want the column but they want too
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much money more money for it so hyper
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obvious like oh that's great so you're
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that that's that's what i mean by the
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idea that hypocritical will live on but
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this incarnation of the show will not I
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don't know how I would ever navigate
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that if I ever decide to have even if I
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which one will it be I don't know who
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voice of the chair people put in the
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the titles I picked this Eric you can t
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it wasn't said on the show but that's
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that's the input you have but I'm just
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saying that one of the title will be a
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last show I just have I have to pick one
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suggestions would be variations on Sarah
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or it could be the next one of the next
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wonderful times we've had making these
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shows and let's have a good one right
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now let's do a show now when we do show
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these last very important shows what we
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talking about today still a whole month
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to go you know what all right uh I know
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there's a whole month ago but it feels
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like the end I'm freaking out all right
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all right uh I have a one black friday
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deal that I tweeted is it okay to talk
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about this even though they're not a
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sponsor of course all right so this this
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relates but to back up vortex i think it
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was like episode 2 or something of this
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show about why you should back up and
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crash plan is having a black friday sale
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where I wants one of those sales but the
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price goes up every couple of hours so
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the later you listen to the show the
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less likely this deal is to be in place
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at all and obviously you don't listen to
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it until actually I think it lesson
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right now it's ninety percent ninety-six
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percent off on crashplan right for their
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me too every two hours the price will
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increase up until Monday the 26 at two
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p.m. central time so right now I'm gonna
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put this in the show notes it's a crash
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all right arm / big sale oh it's already
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there yes so what does that mean
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ninety-six percent up so hang on a
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second this ain't real it's real it's
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only for new customers so that is that
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good but I Avenue though alright so if
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you are a new customer and you do not
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currently subscribe to crash plan or if
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you're willing to try to game the system
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there are ways you can try to get it so
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you can get the steel in your existing
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customer but that would be slightly
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dishonest I did not do that anyway I
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have dollar least 70 some sense for them
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to for a year yeah alright so crashplan
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is an online backup service where your
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computer sends your data over the
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Internet and encrypted form to crash
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plans servers and you pay them what's
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normally a monthly or yearly fee for
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them to store your data for you so that
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your house burns down you can have
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crashplan you can pull your data back
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down from crashplan like backblaze which
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is the other backup service that i use
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they have an unlimited backup thing
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which means unlimited signing up right
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now it's not like five dollars per
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gigabyte or like you could not have up
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to 10 gigabytes unlimited data and they
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can afford to do this because no people
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don't have that much data but for people
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like me who have a lot this is a great
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deal because I love on them into date
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it's like all right here comes a
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terabyte of data have fun you know maybe
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you'll have less than that normally it's
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about a hundred dollars a year or around
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five dollars a month I don't remember
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the exact amounts which I still think
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it's a great deal I pay I have to I have
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backblaze and crashplan and I pay five
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dollars a month backblaze roughly in
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five dollars a month the crashplan I
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think I do the early deals but it's
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similar to that for different computers
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one of my max the mac i'm sitting in
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front of me now is backed up with
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Backblaze and my wife's mac has backed
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up with crashplan and the course to both
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done with also time machine and super
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duper and i think that's a great deal
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five dollars month and they'll store an
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unlimited amount of data for you sure
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i'll keep paying that forever i think
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it's a great idea that everyone should
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have it when people go i don't want
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another five dollar a month the bill or
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whatever well so crashplan is having
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this black friday deal where you can pay
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as of right now two dollars and forty
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cents not per month
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for an entire year of they will store
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all your data an unlimited amount of
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your data whatever you can upload and
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granted this depends on how fast your
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upload connection is how long is it
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going to take you to push all you did up
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to them right but to two hours and forty
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cents for the entire year that's ninety
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six percent off the normal price earlier
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today it was a hundred percent off it
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was completely free and then I was
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ninety-eight percent off and so on and
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so forth I just I just signed up right
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now I went for the 22 whatever computer
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plan yeah it's normally 120 bucks a year
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i just paid five dollars and seventy six
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cents right that's the family plan they
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also have a plans either from 2 to 10
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computers we just want to backup one
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computer which is what i pay for its one
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price and you just one back up to 210
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computers and by the way you can use of
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crash plan for free you can backup your
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stuff to a friends computer in a
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different house to another computer
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inside your own house which I don't
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recommend because the whole point is
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you're supposed to be getting stuff off
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site so i highly recommend both these
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types of both these things Backblaze and
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crafts on people keep asking me which
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one is better they both have pros and
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cons i always say it's pretty much a tie
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because i don't like the fact that crash
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plan is written in java and i can't
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really gauge the performance because
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crashplan is running on my pure SSD mac
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so if it's grinding my disco but never
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notice because i've got fast SSD is
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attached to it backblaze is not written
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in java and has a Native Client ah and
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as you know never really bothered my
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disk but crash plant has more features
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so it's like it's you know which one do
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i prefer i use them both i say it's both
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a tie they're both cheap to try i try
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them both if you hate one and try the
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other one over but this deal can't be
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beat this is especially for people who
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are like i don't want to pay five
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dollars a month you can't turn this down
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to dollars and forty cents for a whole
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year just do it it's cheaper than a
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coffee and then you could try it maybe
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it stinks maybe your upload connection
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is too slow maybe it's annoying and
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maybe the client invested with you who
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knows but it's two dollars and forty
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cents and really everyone should have an
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off-site backup so when your house burns
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down your pictures of your kids are
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somewhere it's safe well I'm suspenders
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my visiting guests here in the studio uh
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Sam just also i think signing up for it
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yeah it's a cup of coffee i told
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everyone i told my sister to sign up i
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called my brother that have been sign up
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for it because he's the people who would
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like haven't been willing to pay if I
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does seems like too geeky thing I tried
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to get my mother she's my parents are
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visiting tried to get her to do it it's
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just one more thing for me to learn but
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thankfully do the magic of drop
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she doesn't really have any data it's
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not it's actually on her computer of her
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computer fell into lake she would be
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fine she doesn't store photos on it or
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anything and all her important stuff is
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already in cloud stuff but anyway if I
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could if I can convince her to get this
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deal i would so for people who are
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listening live this is what you get a
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reminder that you can now get an amazing
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deal on this and when the year is up you
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will have to if you wanted to keep going
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after year you'll have to pay the full
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price like this doesn't last forever
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it's just it's just the cheap price for
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one year I don't know if it auto renew
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or not or if you have to remember to
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cancel what I'm pretty sure it doesn't
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auto renew it pretty sure when your year
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starts coming up they'll start sending
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you email saying hey your things about
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to expire in a year if you want to
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continue to have your back up you should
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really start paying and at that point i
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would say yes you should really start
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paying because you put in the time to
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upload your however many gigabytes of
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data just pay five dollars a month it's
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worth it for the peace of mind if you
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have data that you would be sad if it
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disappeared like you know if you have
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more data than fits on like a dropbox
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account that you're already using you
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don't have a cloud backup strategy and
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you have pictures of your kids really
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you should do some sort of off-site
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backup now some of the chatroom says you
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can check a box either auto renew or not
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auto renew when you sign up so there you
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go i unchecked it because i may not like
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it but there you go so you when you sign
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up you can choose whether you want to
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Nick no you know so that that was the
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free ad for a crash plan but really
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that's that's an amazing deal like it's
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you know because it costs them money to
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it's not like oh well yeah it's really
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give it to us for free but doesn't cost
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them anything it does they have to store
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your data like you they have to keep
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your data on the series of hard drives
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or whatever crazy storage thingy you
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were costing them money and they're
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basically giving away for free for an
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entire year in the hopes that you will
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come to like it and then pay them you
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know if I'd belt a month after that I
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don't you said you said you can send
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them a hard drive I don't know I have
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never done that I believe you can most
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of these services have a way I would
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never do that because i have really fast
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internet connection unfortunately a lot
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of like my internet connection has what
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is it thirty five megabits up which is
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not as fast marcos a crazy expensive one
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because i think 35 sent for me but I
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most of these services cannot accept 35
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megabits per second upload like they
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don't saturate my upload pipe when I'm
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uploaded to them we're just kind of a
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shame but you know at least I can my
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connection can peek to whatever their
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able to handle it really depends on how
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far you are from their data center and
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stuff like that because some people say
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they have gotten much better speeds than
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me on both backpack weighs and crash man
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but from my location I get you know 5 10
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megabits per second maybe a I don't
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think i've ever seen higher than 10
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megabits up for these things but so it
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does take a long time to upload you did
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but yeah if you were impatient you could
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send the hard drive but I am NOT
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impatient because I have eight million
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other backups all right back to some
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more traditional follow up on the last
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show we talked about arm vs intel and
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apples use of same in their max I was
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talking about Intel's market cap and the
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fact that Apple has probably enough cash
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to buy Intel wanted to despite the fact
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that's probably silly idea and antitrust
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and blah blah blah and at the time my
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red Intel's market cap people in the
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chat room we're saying until it's not
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worth 1,000,000,000 have a 1 billion
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dollar market cap and I ignored them
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because I said those people must have
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misheard me because I have here in my
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notes written the exact market cap of
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Intel and I just read it so normally
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when people say something chat room I
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like oh did I say that long correct
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myself oh no I didn't say 1 billion
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blah blah blah like not that you know
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possibility that Apple could buy Intel
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regulatory perspective and from a sanity
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correctly it's like 500 billion or
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something like that and has been at
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various times much higher so i apologize
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thing which I am aware that I do all the
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time but it's difficult is silicon
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silicon is a rubber synthetic polymer
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silicon still silicon anytime we're
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silicon so I apologize for that slight
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difference yes this is a way back follow
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apples way to combine a SSD and a hard
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dive into one logical volume that has
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really good performance characteristics
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many people have been complaining about
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that when you do like a right to are you
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welcome only reading and writing files
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that are totally residing st and of
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course fusion does all its rights
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initially to the SSD and it may send
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them to the hard disk later but
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apparently when you do anything to a
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fusion drive like the logical
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disk if the spinning disk is asleep it
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do anything with it even if you're not
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going to put any data over to it not
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going to read any data from it it just
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spins up I'm not sure why that is it may
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just be a weird implementation thing
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something two if by the time you have to
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write something to you don't decide then
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just spin the drive up because then
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you're gonna have this big delay better
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to just spin the drop all the time I
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don't think this is that big a deal
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because my spinning drive is up all the
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time yeah now anyway because it's my
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right i have my disc set to go to sleep
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when they're not in use but obviously
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unmount the ones that are in use and so
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all my jobs are spending all the time so
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i don't think this is a big deal for me
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of manual fusion drive with a through a
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series of symlinks put like the only the
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files they want on the SSD and the other
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files on the spinning disk
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to be with the symlink thing if you
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drive uh you would always they would it
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wouldn't spin up it would just go to
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sleep and stay asleep so i'll be
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watching that to see how annoying it is
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when i get in 2013 when i get my macpro
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it ships by default with the fusion
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drive fingers crossed I'll see how
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annoying that is but i just want to
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point out it Phil Blackwell is the
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person who brought that to my attention
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just before the show although I've seen
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many people complaining about it all
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right now in fact the main the main part
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of the show is going to be follow-up on
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arm vs apple stuff so just to prepare
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everybody this this is going to be like
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a full follow-up show and have one minor
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topic at the end of it if we get to it
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so moving on to that follow up this is
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firm Aaron rosenblum talking about a
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cisco versus risk on the on the pasho in
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the past show where you went into great
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detail and we all learned a lot more
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maybe than we were expecting to about
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risk but life and love life in love and
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the Jenners that we're all on together
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until the Mayans prophecy comes to pass
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yeah a lot of people said boy I wish you
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know I wish that John was my college
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professor to teach me about these things
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involve all I mean anyone who actually
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knows about these topics or learned
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about them in a formal setting knows all
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the things that I you know
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oversimplified in in that discussion and
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all the things that like you know that
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analogy with the sewing machines stuff
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like that the reason you enjoy that
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podcast more than a college courses
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because the college course is actually
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rigorous and correct and so I would
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encourage everybody not to think like
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now I've learned everything there is a
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no by risking sisk no you didn't I like
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I gave like I said the Cliff Notes
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version if you read the CliffsNotes
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version of a not you didn't read the
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novel like there really is a lot no one
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understand here I was trying to give
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like it you know sort of all right you
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assuming you don't actually want to
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understand the details of this because
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like I'm not that interested but just
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give me sort of the gist of it i think i
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gave the gist of it but you know as
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someone who has gone through this in a
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formal way listening to my own show like
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oh geez like no that's not really right
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oh that's not quite though you know but
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so it should be more fun to listen to
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the college you know of course because
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it's not as good as a college course
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it's not as informative is not an
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accurate as a college course so anyone
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really is interested in this stuff it's
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not that much more difficult than what I
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explained but there are lots and lots of
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details and it's actually kind of fun to
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pick whatever level you think is the
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lowest level that you're interested in
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like say you're not interested in
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physics I don't care about what the
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subatomic particles been doing inside my
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computer right I don't want to learn
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about that because it's really
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complicated and it is it's really
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complicated and it gets really crazy
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when you get down and took physics and
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stuff like that just say okay I'm going
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to assume there's something called an
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and gate and or gate and an and gate or
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whatever right I don't know how they
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work inside I don't have to know all I
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have to know is this is how they work
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electrically right you can start from
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there and understand like boolean logic
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and go through that and work your way up
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to understanding how modern computer
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works and it's not really that
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complicated it's there's nothing
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mind-bending in it Larry you know
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there's nothing that I found is
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challenging is advanced mathematics or
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physics it's really something that it's
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got the wood working again it's no more
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complicated than woodworking you can
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learn how a modern computer work
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starting from the gate level ignoring
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everything below that and working your
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way up from first principles anybody can
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learn that and it's actually interesting
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and fascinating it will give you insight
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into how computers work believe it or
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not that's why I feel bad for the people
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who have CS degrees where they don't
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actually learn how the machine works
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it's not like I'm bemoaning the fact
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that they learn Java and they should be
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learning assembly and not that but like
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I think it's very interesting and how we
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how we built their way up from the first
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guy who builds a transistor all the way
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up to the computers we have today and I
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think any person can actually walk that
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path and learn that stuff so go get some
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college textbooks and start first
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principles and you can get there all on
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your own like you don't need a professor
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to teach it to you or anything it's
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really very straightforward stuff so
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anyway that's sidebar and Rosenbaum says
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that rosenblum points out something that
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talk about risk and sisk was that when
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the cysts CPUs were conceived no they
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weren't called sisk back when they were
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just called CPUs but anyway when they
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were conceived the cost of memory was
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tremendously i mean the original mac at
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128 kilobytes of memory it's not because
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they were stingy it's because memory
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just costs a huge amount of money right
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oh and the advantage of a cisco program
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in that environment
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it can be shorter you just need one
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instruction to do you know move the data
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from memory address to another memory
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address you don't need to instructions
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to do that and one instruction takes up
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less room than two instructions and so
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sisk by having a single instruction that
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the that will you know tell the CPU to
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do a complicated operation makes your
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program smaller and sprawl our programs
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means less memory on disk minutes lemme
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less memory to you know store and run
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them and also this is another thing we
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get to later and the follow up / topic
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here variable-length instructions to
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talk about an x86 / certain instructions
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are shorter than other instructions as
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opposed to the risk philosophy is we
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just may call for instructions exactly
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the same size we can build all our
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machinery to just not deal with you know
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it's much easier we can just pull you
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know 32-bit instruction a 32-bit
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instruction you know exactly where each
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instruction begins and ends and your
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decoding hardware can be simpler and you
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know it's much easier than a
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variable-length instruction stream but
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variable like instructions like an x86 a
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kind of a simple form of instruction
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stream compression because you know
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you'd presume that the most common
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instructions will be the shortest and
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then the more obscure instructions would
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be longer and now you're basically you
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know compressing your instruction stream
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which even in the case where memory
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doesn't cost a lot is good for you know
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bandwidth and stuff like that so thanks
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Aaron for reminding about the the
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relationship between sisk and memory
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usage one more on the well many more the
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expecting this much feedback John yes I
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thought I might have an entire separate
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second show on it and so good and so
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here we are uh but this one is more of a
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traditional polyp or non-traditional
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anyway we talked about sticky tape
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clips of the secret life of machines
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which is a british show yes in
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particular the episode where they show
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you how a sewing machine works and i
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said that the show was memorable to me
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from when I was a kid because I said
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sticky tape which I thought was charming
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and strange from an American perspective
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but I am informed by many people
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including David Wright that the British
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people do not call it sticky tape either
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they call it sellotape and sellotape is
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the name brand kind of like scotch tape
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here in the US so
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TV they didn't want to call it sellotape
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like when they say here i have a cola
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instead of saying a coke and I got the
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can covered or whatever well so they
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didn't want to call it sticky tape
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didn't want to call it sellotape so they
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called sticky tape instead and he says
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on one BBC TV show they called it sticky
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back plastic which met with universal
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derision and mockery and he says I think
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people assumed it was an Americanism
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nope it is not an Americanism no one
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here so sticky back plastic so here we
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are both assuming we have crazy ways to
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say things but then further discussion
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this was on app.net we came down with
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this consensus from the few people that
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replied in the UK they call it sellotape
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SEL OU d AP and the u.s. is called
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scotch tape both those are name brand
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and Australia apparently they do really
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call it sticky tape I don't know why so
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I'm hesitant to ask for any further
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clarification if I'm getting this wrong
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but the consensus on apt then that was
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UK sellotape us scotch tape Australia
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sticky tape and there you go more than
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you ever wanted to know about clear
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plastic tape all right one other thing
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on Apple and arm one more thing an apple
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on arm a couple people pointed this out
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it didn't save the names what if Apple
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switch to arm and it's max what happens
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to boot camp camp is the thing that lets
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you reboot your Mac into windows as if
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it was just a PC no I'm not emulation
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just you're just accessing the CPU and
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they provide drivers and a special boot
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partition and that kind of good stuff
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yeah it just looks like a PC as far as
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Windows is concerned and I love boot
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camp as a Mac user and a gamer because
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that means I have complete access to
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every Windows game that I want because
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there's no issues whatsoever just I'm
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happen to be using a pc with with a
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weird-looking case and all the windows
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games aren't great on well if you switch
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to arm boot camp goes away except for
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the fact that Microsoft has ported
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windows to armed with Windows RT so
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there's you know like well what it by
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the time this happens maybe you know
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Windows RT becomes a dominant form of
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Windows and game developers for making
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games for windows start targeting
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Windows RT but there are a lot of
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complaints from game makers about
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windows 8 and how it friendly it is to
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writing games for PCs and I don't know
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if pc game makers are going to be whole
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heartedly
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bracing Windows RT running an arm but
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from the current perspective yeah if you
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were if the apples to go with arm boot
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camp as we currently know it the ability
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to run windows for x86 and all the games
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they run on when I was four I say six
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that would go away and that would be
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said I mean yes you can need to
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emulation in the same way we used to do
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emulation with a virtual pc but
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emulation is super slow and really not
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tenable four games at all which is a
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shame so I would be sad to see like that
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should have been mentioned that
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unabashed show all right now we get into
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the meat of Apple versus arm and a lot
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of us relating to you know my assessment
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of Intel and where they are with respect
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to arm and cpu race and stuff like that
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so this is from let's see how to do here
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maurits norland he's got some
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information about intelligence Apple is
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so large today the Intel doesn't have
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the fab space for Apple would need a
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whole new 22 nanometer fab just for
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themselves we're talking about fifty to
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eighty thousand 22 nanometer wafer
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starts per month so saying that if Apple
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wanted in tell toofab all their CV use
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who are the mole their arm CPUs like
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Intel couldn't do it there was an Intel
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can you please you know fab every single
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CPU that we have in all our ipod touches
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all our iphones and our ipads until
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wouldnt have the capacity even if they
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were willing to do it oh and the fun
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thing is he says intel have lots empty
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space if they don't just just don't do
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anything because last year x86 lost
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twenty five percent market share to arm
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it's just hidden because they don't
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count tablets as computers he points out
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that the average selling price of an
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ipad today is higher than the average
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selling price of a pc so it's kind of
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silly to say okay well intel is the
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leading pc cpu maker but that's just
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because ipads don't count as pcs and
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this is an ongoing thing with how do how
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do you count ipads in terms of market
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share and stuff like that and that's
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that's a mess for all of the people who
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released those reports about who's got
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what market share of what market like
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that that will sort itself out and
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really has nothing to do with the
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reality situation the reality situation
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is at Apple is selling tons and tons
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devices with arm CPUs and a much much
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smaller number of devices with Intel
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CPUs and even if Apple could get our
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Intel to fab all of its arm CPUs Intel
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couldn't do if this doesn't have the
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capacity this according to merits my
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addition to this is that Apple needs a
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really beefy GPU for like for its retina
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displays and paroled being on that goes
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tens GUI is powered by OpenGL all that
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stuff right and for many many years
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Intel's integrated GPUs we're really
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crappy the integrated GPU is the GPU
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they put now currently on die with the
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CPU because if you got so many
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transistors they need something to use
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the mana so we can put the GPU right on
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diets and it's you know much more
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economical and faster and better but
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they were putting crappy GPUs on on
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their CPUs so Intel for years has been
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pressuring our Apple for years since I'm
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pressuring Intel to make better
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integrated GPUs they wanted Intel to put
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a really good world-class GPU on on the
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cpu die and remember all those years of
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apple shipping things like well we've
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got a crappy GPU on the cpu but with
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then we've got a discrete GPU from
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Nvidia whoever you know on laptops and
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stuff like that and Apple to this crazy
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things we switch between GPUs that's
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really kind of hacky and problematic and
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they said well when you do something
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fancy like or play a game or something
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we'll use the really powerful discrete
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GPU but when you're the scrolling window
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will try to use the integrated one
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that's a big mess Apple would really
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like to simplify that now Intel's HD
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graphics 4000 that are on the current
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line of retina macbook pro 15-inch in 30
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inch that integrated GPU can barely
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handle the 15-inch retina display
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especially at this the higher than
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native resolution modes like where you
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can tell that you can tell a retina
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MacBook Pro to pretend it has a 1920 x
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1200 screen and what it actually does is
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it renders everything into a 3840 x 2400
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pixel thing that's too big for the the
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actual native LCD to display and then it
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scales that image down and shows it on
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the display every everything in the GPU
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it thinks its handling like a you know a
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screen that's a that's almost 4000
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pixels wide and the GPU is just can just
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barely squeaked by being able to handle
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the kind of chokes and stutters
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occasionally doing something simple as
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scrolling it like it it's acceptable
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it's okay but it's just really at the
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limits of what Intel's latest and
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greatest instigate integrated GPU can
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handle and so the upcoming integrated
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intel GPUs will be much more powerful
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and one of the features they're likely
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to have at apple's behest is integrated
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dram like dedicated ram and if you leave
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us there putting ram under the cpu but
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just yet sounds crazy but you know how
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you gotta get a lot of transistors so
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they've got the cpu on the cpu die
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they've got the GPU on the cpu die and
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they're also going to have some amount
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some small amount of ram like you know
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64 128 Meg's dedicated just for the GPU
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we'll talk more about that in a bit but
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this is the kind of thing that the Apple
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wants from Intel back to merits I says
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that Apple start talking to AMD a while
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back because AMD has better gpop of
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course they bought a TI and so we've got
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the whole radeon line or whatever and
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the reason apples talking to md
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according to merits is like Intel was
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not giving the GPUs they want and like
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well you know Andy has great GPUs but
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aim d can't supply apple with the CPUs
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that it needs it doesn't have the
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foundry capacity so right now according
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to Mars Apple is looking for a way out
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from Intel's monopoly grip and Intel
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knows it that's why they're subsidizing
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ultrabooks and all that other stuff
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further you know Intel's encouraging PC
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makers to basically make macbook air
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clones which is not making their partner
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Apple particularly happy and yeah does
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this trouble in paradise as we talked
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about ah and so this is the last one
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yeah so finally here's a big piece of
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follow-up the best kind of fob which is
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anonymous follow-up gotta love the
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anonymous follow-up so anonymous rights
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oh that Intel just doubled the size of
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its brand-new d1x fav in Oregon so its
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link in the show notes and you and some
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Oregon local website talking about this
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an anonymous says that he's heard that
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other fab locations including fab 42 and
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Chandler are expected to have big
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expansions and by the way both d1x and
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fab 42 I love these names it sounds like
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they're like code names of bases in a
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video game head the real things both d1x
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and fab 42 or 14 nanometer so
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so this is how the game works in
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interworld we talked about how their 22
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nanometer and their fabbing full-size
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complicated CPUs at 22 nanometer other
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people are not like apples ARM chips or
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32 nanometer the way you have to do it
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is while your fabbing things 22
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nanometer they have to be building and
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repairing the fabs for the next size in
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the next size is 14 nanometer so that's
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they're gonna have to jump to 22 and
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42 or 40 nanometers given this info I
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that it can play a role similar to
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this anonymous a person is saying that
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the vast expansions of these fabs at 40
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nanometers are kind of a hedge against
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like okay well if the market totally
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moves to arm and like nobody buys x86
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CPUs anymore like everything is tablets
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an arm at the very least Intel will be
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positioned to say okay we have
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tremendous fab capacity 40 nanometers we
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will fab your arm chips for you because
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we know you guys can't vote for 40
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nanometers you guys are just sorting out
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22 or whatever right so that's a hedge
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there and as anonymous says this is not
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an ideal scenario you give up a lot in
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profit when you're just a fab but it
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would get Intel into the phone market
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pretty quickly and it will continue to
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feed it capital to spend on
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manufacturing rd so Justin with Fabio
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pass a dilaudid would give it enough
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revenue to just continue to stay a
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generation head and process right that's
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not a great future for Intel they just
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become the world's best fab and that's
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it but it's a future I guess and by the
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way Intel does have CPUs and phones a
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lot of people sent me this link to the
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latest motorola razr that has an intel
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cpu which is not terribly embarrassing
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it's fine right but they still got a
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long way to go to catch up in terms of
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sales with the arm stuff and according
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to anonymous there are rumors that Intel
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will be fabbing the a7 we talked about
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this in the last show I didn't even know
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actually rumors but just rumor you were
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discussing this without knowledge of the
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potential that there were rumors you
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were saying would would they do this
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could they do this right and so again
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Apple Intel doesn't really want to be in
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the business of fabbing other people's
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CPU designs and much more profitable
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when you can sell the CPUs yourselves
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the profit margins when they sell their
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own CPUs are huge especially when
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they're you know when they've already
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ramped up and everything in the profit
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margin being someone else's fab are not
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great that's another reason by the way
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why Apple would want to go to arm is
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because they don't have to pay for
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someone else's profit markets like you
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know they'd you give up you know ten
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twenty percent to the person who's
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fabbing the chips instead of giving up
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like eighty percent of the price of an
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intel cpu like it's eighty percent
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profit for Intel to make their CPUs at
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sort of the you know when they're really
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going and cranking these things out does
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not cost that much to make one of these
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it's all upfront costs to make the fab
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and everything but once it gets cranking
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you can especially like on the Xeon
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parts and everything with this huge
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profit margins on those chips whereas if
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you're fabbing in your own design you're
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never gonna give someone who's a fab you
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know eighty percent of your you know
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maybe Intel could charge higher profit
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margins bazooka cycle will see you going
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to go for 14 nanometer fabbing and in
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2013 we're the only game in town right
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sort of know so that's an interesting
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rumor i would i would love to see that
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happen that would just be what a strange
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world we would live in at the a7 comes
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out at Intel is fabbing it at 14
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nanometer every other phone in the
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market is not fab by Intel and it's a 22
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nanometer that would be quite a
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competitive advantage for Apple
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anonymous continues so Pat Gelsinger
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when he was still at Intel said there
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was a lot of friction between intel an
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apple when they first started working
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together and a one meeting an apple rep
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told him that in order to keep apples a
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customer Intel needs to just say yes
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meaning they didn't want to hear about
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technical challenges across involved and
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until we just have to do what Apple
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wanted give an apple size and market
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share at the time this is a pretty tough
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pill to swallow like this was back what
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2005 or something when I pull in Intel
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and Apple was not the powerhouse that it
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is now like this pre iPhone you know pre
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there's post ipod but still was like all
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right out but we like you as a prestige
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brand but don't get too cocky and Apple
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just like no you're just got to do that
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who what we say so constant tension from
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from go because Apple wants things a
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certain way and Intel's like all right
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that's right you want you just take the
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CPUs we have they're really awesome
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Apple don't tell us how to do our
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business but Apple had specific demands
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right so continuing from anonymous Intel
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saw the leadership products that Apple
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is building and went with them and the
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point of this is that accommodating a
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demanding customer can actually be
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financially rewarding because to the
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degree that intel has bent to apples
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will they've had successful products and
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a lot of prestige and increased sales
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and stuff
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so anonymous says that there are entire
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CPUs that Intel is currently building an
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apples behest Apple's much
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apples behest Apple's much
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more powerful now obviously an
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intelligent to keep their business that
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they can you'll see one of the market
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next year called crystal well there's
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some links in the show notes about
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crystal well I think crystal ball is
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just the name for the embedded dram in
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the GPU basically the idea that Apple
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said we want way more powerful GPUs so
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it has well the next line of Intel's
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microarchitecture will have much more
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powerful GPUs than the Ivy Bridge ones
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do and also apple has apparently
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specifically demanded they want embedded
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dram on the GPU and the reason they want
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that is because that's kind of the
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equivalent of the memory of the vram
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that's on your video video card and a
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big dedicated card rather than using
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main memory for graphics you want a
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separate bank of memory maybe it's not
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that big in here is going to be like miu
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64 128 megabytes but i'll have huge
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bandwidth because it's right on died
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next to the thing i think they said that
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the bus will be like 512 bits wide a
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five-tool bit memory bus and that's
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stuff like that is not uncommon
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dedicated video card so they always have
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the GPU itself on the vram on the card
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right next to it tremendously wide bus
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between the vram and the GPU well this
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is the shrunken equivalent of that
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you've got your on-die GPU on the same
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guy as the CPU and it's got its own Bank
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of dedicated memory that's physically
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close to it like you know millimeters
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away right and with a huge wide bus that
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you it would be incrementally expensive
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to make an on motherboard 512 bit wide
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bus to ram I don't think anyone does
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that except maybe super computers or
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something so they want a little pool
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really fat Ram because I think they can
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use that to really boost their GPU
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potential so this is something that
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Intel is doing for Apple as well itself
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I should have put these in the show
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notes so it's really good nanotech
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series and has well that I should have
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put in last week's show notes but many
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people were reminded me about and I once
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again forgot to put in this week show us
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to show how Intel is trying to make
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Haswell scale down to lower power
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dissipations like they're trying to
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attack arm from below with like Adam and
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stuff and from above with as well and
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trying to kind of meet in the middle all
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right more from anonymous so lastly talk
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about how the cost of x86 is
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insignificant in big cores but still a
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large part of any potentially smaller
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CPU like this existing Adam he says that
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ignoring l2 cache and
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core which is includes l3 cache
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basically parts that are just cash and
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not part of the core itself the x86 tax
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comes in between three and five percent
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of a coors area and power so like I said
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you know the x86 burden as a number of
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transistors increases percentage-wise
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starts to go down to where it sits still
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there 325 set percent is significant but
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then again if Intel stabbing them at a
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generation ahead of everyone else they
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can quickly erase that and I'm it says
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the reason for this is there are all
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kinds of micro architectural tricks that
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you can play to reuse resources used by
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the modern parts of the instruction set
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with a little microcode slower
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instructions are starting firmware
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thrown in in the front end to handle the
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older parts of the instruction set so I
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mentioned the SSE in the last show
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streaming simdi extensions as the
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expected by doing flowing point i think
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i may go ahead to mention that AVX has
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since not alien vs. about a VX is what
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alien vs predator Oh Avengers vs. x-men
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yes I keep hearing Merlin sing AVX and
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he is remapped it in my head
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congratulations really other AVX is the
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current standard that intel wants
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everyone to the most modern standard
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want intel wants everyone to use for
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vector and floating point instructions
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but the point here is that there aren't
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separate parts of the chip for the x87
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stack-based floating point as a scene
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AVX they're all handled by the same
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hardware and they just use micro code
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which is like little miniature programs
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yeah little miniature pieces of software
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programs to automate the hardware to do
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the older crappier instruction so they
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don't have to make a separate x87 unit
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in a separate universe SC 1 SC 2 SC 3
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s.u foreign AVX they make one extremely
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capable piece of hardware that will sort
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of natively implement the instructions
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they wanted to do probably the later
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versions of SSC and a VX and if you give
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it an X 87 instruction it will go to the
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microcode and say ok well I know how to
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do this when it's just like a series of
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this that and the other thing and we'll
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figure it out so they don't have to
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duplicate the hardware but there is some
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cost to supporting those things but by
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by having a single piece of hardware
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support the morale and just have the
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older slower ones supported more crappy
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manner they save on die space he says
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that the cost on the atom which is Intel
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smaller line of x86 compatible CPU the
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cost of x86 compatibility
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significantly higher because the chips
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just have fewer you know transistors and
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they're much smaller chips so he pegs at
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it around thirty percent and maybe if
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you took out some of the the uglier of
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contrast from real numbers from someone
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who has the possibility of knowing here
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that the x86 tags three to five percent
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thirty percent and that's a problem but
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instruction actually ends up being a
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feature in terms of power common
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instructions you're really short which
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compresses the code stream versus risks
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fix fixed with instructions and of
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course there are fewer of those
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instructions it's and he says it's
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possible that Sisk but you know the sis
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construction site design gives Intel
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fifteen percent performance per watt
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advantage at least in terms of feeding
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some of that in terms of how much you
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have to do to decode that stuff and
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track it or whatever and it's not really
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clear whether this fifteen percent
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number incorporates is incorporated into
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that three to five percent x86 tax
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calculation like is that tax before
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after the supposedly performance bra
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benefit but anyway this is why the
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details matter because when you get down
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to the nitty-gritty we're not talking
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about conceptually speaking as risk
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better than Cisco whatever we're talking
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about a particular instruction set with
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a particular characteristics that you
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can measure out so when it comes to
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making mobile CPUs x86 seems like it's a
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big problem but it does have a few
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things that are actually advantages so
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it's kind of like what if Intel made a
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mobile x86 chip that didn't support a
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whole bunch of the legacy x86 cruft that
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no compiler should be emitting anyway
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and but but was still assist
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performance per watt advantage of having
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a very small instruction stream not
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having to fetch that much rememory and
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all that it's fascinating idea of having
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a tiny not really x86 but almost exit
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like like a modern x86 cpu that isn't
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completely backward compatible with like
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das from my 85 but does run all modern
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copilot Intel programs and is actually
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has performance advantages over
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something like arm I'm that may be going
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too far because arm has many other arm
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has like no legacy craft and it's
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totally designed for low power will say
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and he adds that segment
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memories actually the worst part of the
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x86 burden if you had to pick one thing
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to ditch should be segmented memory
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segmented memories where instead of
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having memory addresses just be the
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address you'd say all have will set the
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segment to this and then we'll have a
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tiny off step within that segment and if
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we want to access something in a
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different segment we set the segment
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offset to something different and then
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we use the other small numbers so like
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that the memory I just be relative to it
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to the segment number and that that just
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complicates CPU stuff and it was made
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for an age when memory is more
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constrained and it's very gross so if we
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if we get rid of what the worst thing
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about x86 burden is just get rid of
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segmented memory support which nobody
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uses these days and it's I don't see
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nobody cuz some person is going to say
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that some super computing thing still
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use is it but it could go away when
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there wouldn't be a big problem a final
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point from anonymous Intel's lead in
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process you know that the size they can
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fab things that is currently only for
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client CPUs that means you know like
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traditional CPUs that are in your max
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and stuff there is a separate low-power
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manufacturing process for systems on a
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chip that's what Apple uses they're not
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using a little arm CPUs they use what
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they call system on a chip where it's
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one chip where one corner of the chip
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there's the little arm CPU and then
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there's GPU cores over there and those
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interfaces for like you know I don't
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know if they have they don't have the
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cellular stuff on there yeah but they
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have you know all the peripheral
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interfaces whatever they can as much
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stuff as they can show onto a single
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chip they do that's why they call it an
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entire system on chip io interfaces that
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you know everything all on one chip
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because if you can get everything in
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your entire phone or your entire
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whatever your entire game console
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whatever onto one chip it becomes much
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cheaper lower power you know it's much
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better to have a system-on-a-chip than
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to have a separate cpu and then a
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separate GPU chip and you know all
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separate little black squares with
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little metal contacts on that is
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terrible in terms of size power
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everything you want it to be all
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combined so Intel's process lead where
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keep saying Intel's ahead and process
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technology their head formate their
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client CPUs they do make system-on-chip
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stuff but they're they're currently
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lagging on process mostly because
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Intel's not prioritizing those and I'm
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sure they're probably shifting her
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priorities at this point okay we can't
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just give the system on chip guys the
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crappy process now so that's that's
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something to watch someone
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chairman put an article from 2011 about
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Intel fabbing arm for Apple maybe I'll
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put that in the show notes put that in
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DNS with a a third party and they're
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these days I'm doing everything with
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can manage all the domains and you just
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check them out let me guess where i got
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what's it this Theo done what's at that
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about this to know why did I use the
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I wanted to email you you're the only
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thing I see is hypercritical dad CEO at
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contact privacy calm so I'm assuming if
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I use that then it will be filtered out
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and you won't no one will ever know it's
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really you behind there yeah oh the ship
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was really sailed on me getting spam
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domain address so public to the world
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practically you're a spam free now all
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right free come so that was probably the
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last bit of follow-up on Apple versus
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arm stuff I might the Haswell stuff is
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interesting I don't have it in my notes
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here but i'll see if i can freeform some
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stuff on it so haswell's Intel's next
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microarchitecture after Ivy Bridge the
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change to the CPU are not that radical
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they're they're adding a couple more you
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know they're making the machine a little
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bit wider a couple more parts of the
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chip to execute instructions they can do
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more things in parallel so certain parts
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that ships aren't tied up with one
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thread another thread can be going over
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there so they're making a little bit
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wider that's what they call it when you
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add the ability to do stuff you add
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another integer units you can do you
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know one more extra integer calculation
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at the same time suturing other ones or
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you know add another branch in or
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another phone so they're making a little
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tiny bit wider of course so probably you
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know fixing any small issues they might
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have had in performance I think they're
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adding more cash and stuff like that and
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then of course they're adding that the
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much bigger GPUs but it's not a radical
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or REO architecture you're not in a
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doubling performance or anything getting
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you know percentage-wise a little bit
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better you probably are doubling
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performance to the GPU because GPUs of
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the type of thing where if you just
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double the number of execution engines
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you have you can double performance
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because graphics is as they say
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embarrassingly parallel where you just
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have this huge gigantic field of pixels
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they all need to be processed order is
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usually not important so you can just if
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you have more execution units you can
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take bigger chunks of pixels and feed
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them all at the same time so they're
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making the GPU much bigger much wider
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and also much more powerful and there's
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the crystal well thing will have
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embedded ram next to the thing so that
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will really help it grind through
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processing much faster but the other
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thing they're doing with Haswell is
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Intel is trying to flex its muscles more
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in terms of the system integrators and
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say we are going to pick the other
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components or dictate to you the other
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components that you're allowed to use in
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your computers that use Haswell so we're
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going to do everything from like you
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know voltage regulators and these little
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turdy little chips that are on the
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motherboard that aren't that important
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you know I o chips everything and say
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all right you can only use this set of
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chips because we've tested these and we
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work with these manufacturers to make
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sure these things are low powers lots of
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stories about some little dinky
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unimportant ship somewhere on another
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board and you'll be able to get like a
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ninety percent power savings from that
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ship if you just change the way it's
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programmed in a little bit and like
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those guys didn't care they're like you
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know those guys didn't care about total
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power consumption like our chip works
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fine it's reliable what it takes so it's
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such a small amount it's only a you know
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a couple of million something who cares
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how much power our little dinky io chip
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or clock thing or voltage regulator
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takes but that stuff adds up uh and
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especially in the system where you want
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like to be able to sort of quiet the
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entire system is everybody quiet
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everybody stopped going to low power
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mode and be able to wake up quickly and
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everything like that and even in just a
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regular state you know really sip as
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little power as you can so Intel wants
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an entire system design and so they're
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not saying you can just take this as
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well cpus and just throw them onto any
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mother bored with the same old chips
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because it'll make our CPUs look bad
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because like oh those has no machines
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those really suck memory you know if you
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use the parts that Intel approves for
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use with its CPUs and its chipsets you
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will in theory get a system that uses
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far far less power than an ivory bridge
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system I keep forgetting weather as well
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is the tick or the talk or whatever but
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the Intel does this thing I think we
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talked about before where they do an
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entirely new processor architecture on
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the same process node is their previous
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architecture and then they shrink it for
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the next one so it's like it's got to be
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high forgot about anyways i do bridge a
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22 nanometer and has about 20 nanometer
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and then they're going to shrink as well
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for the next one and there
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nooner architecture after that but the
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focus of as well so you really want to
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make one cpu that can really scale down
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that you can use has well yes and a
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macbook pro you can use has bol in the
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macbook air could you use has on a
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tablet hmm probably not but maybe the
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one after that you could use in a tablet
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and they're doing everything they can to
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just reduce the power another really
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neat thing they're doing is uh I figured
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what they call this thing and remember
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the correct acronym but when something
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is on your computer screen on your Mac
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or whatever and the picture isn't
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changing like say you're just looking at
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a single static picture in full screen
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your computer still has to send new
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version of that picture 60 times a
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second to your LCD and even though the
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picture hasn't changed it doesn't take a
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lot of power to do that but it does take
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some power you can't shut off the GPU
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part of your system because the picture
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would go away well and as well and in
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the associate chip size and everything
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they want support for something that
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lets it stop sending that signal and
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just tell the LCD all right I'm only
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going to send you information if the
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picture changes if you don't hear
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anything from me just keep showing the
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picture showing a little demo they did
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for that thing was like they'd had an
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LCD hooked up to a Haswell system that
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was showing you know just just a plain
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old picture and they unplug the video
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cable and the picture doesn't go away it
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just stays there because i think they
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call it self refresh or something or
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whatever the LCD itself has a smarts to
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know if i don't hear anything that just
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means keep displaying like eating and
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i'm the same thing and that means that
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the CPU can turn off it like not turn
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off the like the GPU can can turn off
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that part of the system it doesn't have
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to always be awake sending the same
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picture and over and over again and
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that's one of the other advances of
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Hezbollah's that all these things want
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some way to like wake up from a sleeping
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state and go back to sleep and wake up
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from asleep a slate and go back to sleep
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that sounds crazy from a human
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perspective he's like oh I must tell you
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know I'm gonna keep awaking up and going
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back to sleep but CPU is doing this all
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the time and they're really cranking it
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up and as well to say okay we can wake
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up part of the system like two
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milliseconds which is still an eternity
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from a cpu perspective but no humans
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going to notice two milliseconds lag of
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waking up the system like when you walk
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over to a computer and you shake the
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mouse you're not going to give us it
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actually that Mouse didn't start moving
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to the milliseconds after it should have
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you will never notice that but it means
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that the entire computer can be sleep
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sleep sleep wake up to do sub sleep
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sleep sleep sleep wake up to do stuff
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sleep sleep and that really saves on
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and so they're doing all the same tricks
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that like you know mobile steep use and
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stuff I've been doing forever they're
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trying to do it in their desktop systems
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and it's an uphill battle for them
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because LCD makers don't want to put
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extra smarts in tub inside the panels
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that hurts their profit margins like oh
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jeez that means they make my next
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generation of LCD panels are going to
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charge more money for because I gotta
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probably circuitry in there to handle
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your stupid self-refresh thing but Intel
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wants that because they want total
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system power of PC caliber systems to go
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down hopefully going down not so much
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with Hezbollah maybe with the next one
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at 40 nanometers like that if you start
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creeping into the same territory that's
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currently staked out not by a phone but
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the very least but like you know what's
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the current power envelope for or I
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should pick the ipad 3 because probably
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the biggest hottest ipad apples ever
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made sure that power envelope is within
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striking distance of intel's next next
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generation is it really cpu yeah like
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not as well probably but the one after
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that mmm that that in theory if we could
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fast if we go forward to the future and
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go to Intel generations head and bring
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that chip back you could put that in an
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ipad 3 like that's the kind of power
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envelope it could fit with it and it
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would be you know incredibly powerful it
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would it would be much faster than the
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ipad free pop probably of course we
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don't have a time machine we don't have
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any you know 10 nanometer next next
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generation intel chips but that's I
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think where they're going it's like a
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race between Ken Intel get it stuff down
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to the power envelope of if not phones
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then of these tablets before arm comes
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and swarms all over them like a zerg
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rush this little starcraft technology
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for you that and and as our various
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anonymous follow people said they're
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hedging their bets angle if they can't
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get there if x86 gets wiped off the map
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by arm at the very least they should
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have the fab capacity to become like the
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world's best fab and maybe be able to
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charge a premium of that but that would
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be very sad for intel so this is
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actually a very exciting party industry
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to watch until vs arm wrestle versus
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mobile keep an eye on that one to watch
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should we do our final brief sponsor
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there's I mean there's a REST API for
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this so you could use it with your pearl
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does it do that lets them deliver parson
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turns actual email as John would say
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company most companies out there they
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just focus on the delivering part but
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mail gun is different they do have this
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rest api so what that means is you can
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they don't just deliver the mail they
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help you automate the entire application
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you are building an application you're
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sick of fighting with email just try
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mail gun today Mel gun comm check them
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out that's it someone just put in a good
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now this is going to help me remember I
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think we went through this other shows
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but put in a good link to the tick-tock
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strategy to remind me of which which one
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is called the tickets it's because it's
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reverse and people so why don't you just
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remember that it's reverse of the way
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you think it is but then I confuse
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myself anyway the tick is when they do a
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shrink and the talk is when they have
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the new architecture and I think that's
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totally wrong it should be the tick is
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like tick and then talk and then tick
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should be the one where they have the
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new architecture but it's not tick as
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the shrink and talk as the other one so
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what are we on now so the talk is going
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to be Haswell 22 nanometers because tick
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was the shrink of sandy bridge down to
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ivory bridge and then the talk is the
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same process i desire bridge the new
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architecture and then the tick will be
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has well at 40 nanometers and the talk
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will be you know so i put this link in
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the show notes shows the tick on the
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talk with the words and the process
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sizes and you can look at it and
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continue to be confused like I am do
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have one more thing for this thing but
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don't know if we should save it you you
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want to end early today and I know and
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I'm in super early i mean you know
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that's a late the last thing that I want
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now is in the last five or six shows
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that you know we end early in
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then you know so let's keep going well I
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do think I'm running out of things here
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you know so this is this is what we're
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gonna have a Q&A show the Q&A show was
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always like oh you must be running out
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of things talk about because we well yes
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i am i as i said at the camp at shows
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every week i think i've got nothing this
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week like in the past for the past
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several months that I think there's
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nothing I could possibly talk about and
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I really am running low on ideas
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especially now it's like the holidays
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and not not that much exciting stuff is
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happening I mean for crying out loud we
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just talked about a bride a sale I don't
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think that's uh I mean it's a good deal
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for people but still alright so I'll
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throw this in and then no ha then I will
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once again be back 20 things to talk
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about next week you Dan this is what
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assignment for you one of the days I
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might come in and say I've got nothing
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to talk about it will just be totally up
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to you to decide what which I would love
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that i have so many i have a long list
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of things that i would love to talk to
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you about so you just do it you have a
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long list of things that you would love
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for me to talk about but the problem is
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that you may throw out what is actually
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really good interesting a meeting topic
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and i'll just have nothing to say on I
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don't be like I don't even say about
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that and then you got to pick your next
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good topic like there may be great
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topics but the question is can I say
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think about them uh-uh all right I think
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we should take that chance you tell me
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you will well I will you give me any
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notice or no of course not every notice
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like you've given me as much notice as I
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feel I need at this point you just you
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gotta be ready all the time all right
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I'll be ready the final thing I want to
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talk about a lot of people asked me to
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talk about the wii u and we did talk
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about that on a past show which i could
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never remember because i'm terrible at
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remembering what shall we talk about
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things on but i mean i felt like we
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covered everything there was to cover
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about the wii u before i had one and i'm
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not i don't have one yet i'm planning to
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get one but probably not for the
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holidays like I'm assuming I just won't
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even be able to to find one in the
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stores so I'll probably wait to new year
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to get one I will be getting one but if
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I probably won't have fun during the
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time the show is still going on but
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other people have we used these days and
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in particularly iFixit guys had one and
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they did a teardown as they always do
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link is in the show notes where they
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take apart the hardware and look at
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what's inside of an Intel kind of like
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Apple has been in the past several years
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infuriating about not wanting to talk in
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detail about what's inside it it's kind
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like rolls-royce engines for many many
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years a role rolls-royce car company
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unlike every other car company in the
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world it would list the specifications
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of the car like though the new Corvette
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it the engine has this much horsepower
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and this much torque at this much RPM
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you know like and rolls-royce would say
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horsepower colon adequate that's what
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they put on their on their data sheets
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because it's unseemly to talk about
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horse by the the hodgepodge this car is
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adequate it's mostly because their cars
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didn't really have that much horsepower
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they're mostly a giant torque monsters
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but anyway rolls-royce hasn't stopped
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doing that but Apple and in Nintendo
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both continue to be like you don't need
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to know what's inside our thing it's an
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asic CPU don't ask any more questions
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what kind of core no no no how much RAM
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we don't need to enlist that on a dumb
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this is unseemly to talk about how much
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RAM might possibly be in our device then
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of course you can get the device and
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find out so the wii u the internals
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aren't that impressive but the nintendo
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doesn't want to talk about them look
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we'll just talk about them in a vague
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term so it's up to i fix it to rip these
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things apart and to find out what's in
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there and what the deal is so people
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haven't seen the wii u it looks kind of
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like the wii but it's like bigger
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slightly bigger or longer and has
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rounded edges but it's very similar it
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looks like a cd-rom drive from nineteen
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ninety one for your Mac without the
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caddy it's just a big long optical drive
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thing I sort of looks like anyway so
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they rip the thing apart and here are a
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couple of notable things about it so
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inside there there is larger fan
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heatsink then there wasn't the wii that
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makes some sense and that's because
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according to intend to itself they have
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tripled the heat output from the we that
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we you has three times as much heat if
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there's a link i think i put this in the
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show notes to something where app
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nintendo actually has been doing
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something that apple would never do
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having these things where they post
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themselves sort of interviews with
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themselves so the CEO of the company
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will sit down and have sort of a if it's
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a mocking curio but it's kind of like a
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prepared type of thing where the CEO of
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the company is talking to the engineers
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in the company and interviewing them
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quote unquote where it seems like it's
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kind of all prepared but anyway they
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will reveal some technical information
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in those things if much more so than a
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blow it would be as if Tim Cook did like
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a mock interview with Johnny I've about
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the design of our with built of Bill
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Mansfield Bob
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ance field about the internals and asked
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he would ask the questions that other
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people want to ask and you know get the
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answers from so Apple isn't doing like
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that but in tender does and then that
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thing they talked about how they had to
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alter their design to handle the heat
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and blah blah blah I mean it's nothing
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earth-shattering because like you know
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so what every single the console maker
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has been dealing with as much output for
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like a generation or two already just
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asked just as Microsoft about dealing
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with heat inside their game consoles and
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how that went with the 360 we know it's
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a hard problem but the wii was so wimpy
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it wasn't even high-def that the cooling
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solution that was very wimpy so the wii
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u has a more modern looking cooling
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solution i hope it's not too loud i
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guess people have them already i haven't
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heard anyone complain so i think it'll
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be okay yeah they've got our radeon CP
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GPU in there no surprise there and
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they're their processor is I be empower
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based processor if you're wondering
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where the PowerPC went it's still inside
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all your game consoles the xbox 360 is
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PowerPC they use the mac power mac g5 is
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there one of their dev devices when
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developing that machine the wii is
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PowerPC the Gamecube was PowerPC the wii
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u is power pc and even the playstation 3
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in addition to the crazy sell stuff they
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have going on there has little
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powerpc-based quartz the power
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instruction set the PowerPC uses so no
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surprise a TI plus yeah now AMD but a TI
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plus IBM has been the solution for the
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past three generations and Tendo
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consoles the the current generation of
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Xbox console and the current generation
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of well known and PlayStation 3 has
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nvidia graphics but anyway that's where
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these guys if you want to look where the
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PowerPC cpu is went that's where they
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are still hiding the really interesting
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thing for me about this teardown is when
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they started tearing apart the gamepad
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controller the Wii U gamepad controller
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is the big controller looks like you're
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holding like a lunch tray and in the
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middle of it is a pretty big screen on
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the edges are liking of the buttons and
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the thumbstick controllers uh-huh they
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crack that thing open and not the inside
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inside but just the battery door I put a
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link to this in the show notes when you
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open the battery door on the bag of this
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thing you find a rechargeable battery in
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there it's 3.7 volt 1500 malaya power
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rechargeable battery that's good for
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three to five hours of gameplay that's
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why they give you a rechargeable one
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because you know if you after play
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session you get recharged it but if you
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look at me let me pull the image myself
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so I can actually look at this Oh Shh
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maybe I didn't put it in the show notes
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oh I always click on the wrong thing
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when I want to see the image do you have
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this image up the battery door yeah the
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one from the show notes yeah did I put
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it in the shots thought you did what am
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I looking I got all your notes up and
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I'm just working through it a lot of
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links for this one yeah when you open up
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the one down there right where it says
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battery compartment I thought I put it
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in it yeah it's it shows the thing
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they're the guys holding it upside down
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he's lifting up the back part of it and
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what are you seeing some that you see
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this big cavernous opening with batter
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should go and inside I any little dinky
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little thing it's like how to taking up
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half the space for the battery is this
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rechargeable battery and that's you
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think that it's for like expansion it's
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something that you could you could you
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know like you could put something larger
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in there another time yeah that that is
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fascinating to me because three to five
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hours of playtime while her battery
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charge is not a lot like a three-hour
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you know play session especially some
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kids sitting there in front of the thing
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like before you have to go recharge the
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thing or plug it in or something that's
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not good it's like Oh bitch I guess they
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couldn't get the gamepad battery life to
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be any better than three to five hours
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but then you open up the back of this
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thing and say wait a second it could
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have made this thing lasts longer
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thinking it's a waste issue battery so
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it's the question is why don't they feel
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that that battery compartment with
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battery one is wait wait base people say
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this thing is lightweight and it feels
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good because it's light that's all well
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and good but I don't think they would
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not make the battery big because they
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were afraid it would be too heavy right
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I think it just happens to be light
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because the battery is small and that's
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good but that wouldn't been there reason
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I have to think it's cost because
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batteries cost money and they need to
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shave they're already selling the wii u
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at a loss which is unprecedented for
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nintendo there we used to sell their
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hardware for a profit from day one
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unlike every other console maker but
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they're selling the wii u I think this
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city there at cost
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loss in the beginning because it's got
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more like it's not just a game console
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it's a game console + like a court sort
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of a little half of a handheld game
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console like it's more complicated than
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other things I'm not just selling a box
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it next to your TV they're selling a box
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that connects to your TV with an optical
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drive plus it's other thing that has its
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own screen on it which costs money and
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all sorts of sensors and a battery and
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stuff like that and they can shave costs
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anywhere maybe they said well one way we
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can shave a couple bucks off is by
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shipping it with a smaller battery and
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then we maybe we can make that up by
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selling the inevitable aftermarket
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batteries that actually fill that entire
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battery compartment and we'll make lots
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of money on the aftermarket batteries
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because we'll sell it for like twenty
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bucks when we saved only five dollars
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we're making the battery smaller and
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that strikes me as chin see but that is
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that's amazing it's like if you bought
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you know a macbook pro five years ago
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you open up the battery bay and so the
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battery Apple ships with takes up half
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of the room that the battery could be in
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Maine you know as as I think Marco seven
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Taleggio or no I maybe was a different
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show that they they Apple puts batteries
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in every square inch of their cases that
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could possibly fit battery is like
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battery is coming up in the edges of the
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thing and here is Nintendo shipping
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something leaving gigantic swathes of
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empty space where there could be battery
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but there isn't nevermind they could
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have made the battery compartment itself
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even bigger so I found that amazing and
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also slightly disappointing i assume i
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would buying an aftermarket battery
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because 30 hours is not a long time
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another thing which we knew already but
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it's interested I'd forgotten about it
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already and seeing it in the I fix a
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teardown I was a good reminder the Wii U
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gamepad controller has NFC Near Field
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Communication right the little sensor
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that's not in the iphone that you know
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other cell phones have and that they use
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reportedly in Japan and other advanced
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civilizations where you going to rub
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your phone against something or wave
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your phone in front of something and pay
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for something it's it's a sensor that
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works in very close proximity is not
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bluetooth it's not Wi-Fi it's like in
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the range of things like Wi-Fi is long
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range you know 3g is the longest range
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or not 3gp you know cellular data is the
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longest range then there's Wi-Fi then
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there's Bluetooth known as NFC and NFC
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is really you know you got to be in
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close proximity and the reason I forgot
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about the fact that the gamepad
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controller has NFC in it is
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nothing uses it nothing no game and the
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launch lineup uses the NFC sensor so the
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gamepad thing has tons of sensors and
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it's got gyroscopes accelerometers
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microphone camera is that Cameron I
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think as a camera you know bluetooth
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Wi-Fi everything in there including NFC
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even though nothing currently supports
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it presumably something will supported I
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mean the obvious thing is a game like
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Skylanders do you know about this yes
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Skylanders is the game that they usually
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have set up in a Toys R Us or Target or
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something where it has like a little
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platform that's connected and they you
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have like a real real life action figure
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but it doesn't entirely moves and then
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you put it on this pad or this little
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thing and that character then enters the
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game and that's I guess you and you are
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then playing the game as this character
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while it stands on the on the panel yeah
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it's a genius marketing strategy if they
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will sell you toys and the toys can
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appear in the game so by buying a
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physical toy and touching that physical
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toy to some sensor are putting in front
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of a camera or doing whatever then
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suddenly that physical toy appears in
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the game so if you want a new guy for
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your game you would say Oh dad you can
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take me to toys r us where I will buy
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the physical toy and I'll bring that
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home and touch it to my game console and
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then the thing instead of just doing a
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digital download they want you to have
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an actual toy component and that game
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was wildly popular and it's a genius
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strategy to extract money from children
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I mean there are card games like this
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too it was once aware that the
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PlayStation camera would pick up the
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what cards you're playing with the
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physical card games is an integration of
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the physical world into the virtual
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world so that's a no brainer for things
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like that not Skylanders specifically
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because they were just you know probably
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continue to add their little Skylander
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sensor-based thing or whatever but
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things like that where there's a
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something in the physical world that you
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touched your gamepad controller or bring
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past it and that makes it appear in the
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virtual world so those are here's once
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again to remind that things in there
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that the gamepad controller has every
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sense of known to man and the
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possibilities of things that you could
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do with that controller are vast the
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other thing about the gamepad teardown
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is that there are no big heat-producing
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chips inside that game pad
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they gave the I fixing gave out like
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part numbers and stuff that I tried to
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Google and all I found more other
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gamepad tear down so I don't know what
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those chips are not gonna read off the
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numbers on them you can look at the
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effects its head on yourself but clearly
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none of them are big heat producers
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there's no giant heatsink and fans and
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stuff like that ah all which is to say
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that this is not like a PlayStation Vita
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or Vita as you say right that's exactly
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what is it's not a half a handheld
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gaming console like the the brains are
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not in the gamepad yes that is the man
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yeah right it's really just a really
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really really fancy controller with a
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screen and a bunch of sensors it's not a
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separate console so the Wii U has a
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feature where you can play the game on
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the gamepad like someone can use the TV
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to look at something else and you just
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look at the gamepad screen you can
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continue to play your game there but
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those games are not running on the
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gamepad they're running on the wii u
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thing that's attached up to your TV
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despite the fact that you're playing
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them on the screen that you're holding
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in your hand all that brings up
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especially in the time leading up to the
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wii u's release worries about lag you're
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like all right well so the game is
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running on the little thing that looks
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like a cd-rom drive attached to my TV
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and I'm sitting on a couch here and I'm
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playing it here like how does the
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picture get it's not going through the
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TV how do i get to the gamepad and if it
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01:36:46
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takes a long time it's like you know in
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you imagine trying to play for a
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sufficient shooter using VPN our VPN pnc
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right a remote desktop or whatever
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01:36:54
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you're you know it's like the lag anyone
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who's used remote desktop or B and C
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knows the terrible lag of just you know
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using menus and stuff made all sorts of
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tricks to my try to make it tolerable
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and the resolution of a high-definition
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game because the wii u finally is high
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resolution that's comparable to the
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resolution of a computer monitor from a
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couple years ago right and it was
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terrible a couple years ago to try even
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over like gigabit ethernet you try to
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use remote desktop and it would just
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feel slow and laggy you forget about
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trying to play a game like that so
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everyone was worried about what the what
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the leg would be so other people have
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these things in their hands they're
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doing tests on them this from a
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developer of a the rayman game there's
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many links talking about this developer
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interview which was barely nintendo
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power i put a link in the show notes
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they are testing a star it's a Rayman
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legends develop
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01:37:41
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devour oh yeah let's try again rayman
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legends developer michelle and sell if i
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01:37:47
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said that name correctly has now
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confirmed that the gamepad image on the
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wii u suffers only one sixtieth of a
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01:37:52
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second delay here's a quote from him
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it's crazy because the game is running
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in full HD on the television that we are
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streaming another picture on the gamepad
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screen it's still for 60 frames per
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second and the latency on the controller
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is just one sixtieth of a second so it's
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one frame late so if you do 60 frames
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per second and you're 160 of a second
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behind that means the gamepad is only
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one frame behind where it should be
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behind where the television the signal
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going to television and forget how many
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frames behind our minds actually are yes
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that's not think about that so I says
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it's crazy it's so fast it's almost
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instant that's why it responds so well
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so that is the typical Nintendo
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attention to detail there have been many
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complaints about the wii u in particular
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with the interface and the non-game
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portions of it but once you get into the
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game and Tendo knows what's important
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that's responsiveness and latency the
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ARS technica are dope says while one
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frame delay might actually be noticeable
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by some of the craziest pro fighting
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game players the money of difference is
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not going to be detectable by normal
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people and now here is the fascinating
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thing about this this is actually
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something from june where someone was
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filming someone playing a wii u game in
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June probably like one of the various
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conventions maybe it was III where in
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the in the frame of the video you can
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see the television screen that is
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showing the same image there's also on
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the gamepad screen so you can see both
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screens the gamepad where where the
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image is playing in also the television
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because you can run in this mode or mode
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where the images displayed both on the
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television and on the gamepad I don't
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know why you would do that but it's
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possible and in this video you can watch
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it and sort of go frame by frame and
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slow motion through it and you can see
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that the gamepad screen is actually
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seven frames ahead of the the television
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screen so it's a 116 milliseconds ahead
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of the television screen so you'll see
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Mario jumping you'll see he has seven
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frames ahead of where he where he is on
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the television screen and so wait a
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second I thought that the gamepad was
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supposed to be one frame behind 16 like
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I'm beyond what explains the fact that
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the gamepad is actually showing an image
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7 frames ahead of the television well if
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you think back to our
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our television episode from many
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episodes ago another one that I can't
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remember the episode number four I think
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we talked about this is that modern
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high-definition televisions especially
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LCD televisions do all sorts of
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processing to the image that they're
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shown so the signal may be coming out of
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the wii u and going into the back of the
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television that signal maybe 160 of the
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second ahead of the signal that is going
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to the gamepad but once it hits the back
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of the television the television doesn't
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immediately display it the television
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does lots of processing some of that
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processing may involve comparing the new
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image it got the previous image of got
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and like doing a diff between them or
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massaging them some of that processing
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in any televisions they're still having
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to be around with dynamic LED
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backlighting might be to figure out
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which portion of the back lights need to
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be a bit for this frame a video and is
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it different than the previous narrated
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video all that processing you know
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motion compensation to the ring and you
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know noise reduction and stuff that
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processing takes time so from the time
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the signal hits the back of the
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television to the time the television
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actually displays that that new frame
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could be significant and this is what's
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known as input lag on televisions where
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the television itself introduces a delay
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and apparently this television was
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introducing an eight frame delay you
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know and so that's why the gamepad
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appeared to be seven frames ahead
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because the gamepad didn't doesn't have
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any delay it gets the signal shows it
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processing or anything but the signal
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going to the back of television has to
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find its way through the televisions
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processing and that's why many many
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televisions have what they call game
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mode where will it will disable some or
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all of the video processing making the
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image look uglier usually but at the
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benefit of that is that you get less
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input lag so apparently this television
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that was set up at this convention
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center wherever they were playing this
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demo was either not set up in game mode
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or it could very well be that this was
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game mode and that eight frames of lag
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is actually the good version and if you
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had all the profit video processing on
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it would be 40 frames of lag or
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something like that so this is a
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fascinating example of like also
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Nintendo made a gamepad also what big
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deal i heard microsoft has the same
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thing with its glass thing the xbox 360
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to do this right to really have a
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handheld screen that lets you play a
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game year they have to do the processing
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on the handheld thing itself like do
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they play the actual game on your iPad
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or on your tablet or on your surface or
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whatever or if you're going to do the
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processing on the actual console thing
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attached to the TV you've got your work
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cut out for you because you really need
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to send a full HD resolution image
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wirelessly to this can do is control and
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have display the thing and try to get as
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little lag as possible so 16 to the
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second leg is actually pretty amazing
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and I applaud Nintendo's efforts making
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this this is an apple like technological
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feat where it's like a fan I've worked
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like it seems impossible and yet there
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it is it's real yeah and like you was
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like all the gamepad's gotta have some
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sophisticated stuff and you open it up
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and it's like no it's just a bunch of
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chips what they ended up doing is they
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sort of define their own limited
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distance you know Wi-Fi variant where it
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doesn't work the same distance the Wi-Fi
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would but like you know they could
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define their own protocol basically to
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wirelessly communicate between the Wii U
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and the gamepad and they could sacrifice
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whatever they wanted to sacrifice ech
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you know you're the only need to talk
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two of them at once because i think the
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gamepad supports up to two things so if
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i could cut any corners there they would
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and the range doesn't have to be more
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than like I think they list the range is
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like 26 feet it actually goes way
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farther than that people have tested up
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like 100 feet but in typical Nintendo
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fashion they're very conservative they
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say don't go outside 26 feet so you
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can't probably take the gamepad up to
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the room seven floors up in your
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gigantic mansion and have the wii u
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downstairs like you 160 a second leg is
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probably gone then maybe you know
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Nintendo says 26 feet maybe if you have
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a ranch house you can get 100 feet away
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so you do kind of have to be in the same
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room or close to it to continue this
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experience but I think that's a
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reasonable trade-off in it and if in
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exchange you get this amazing
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responsiveness that you couldn't have
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got with any other you know non
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proprietary protocol you know bully for
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them and you're gonna get them what if
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we send you one is it going away gift
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how is that gonna help but i guess i
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would actually use it and talked about
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on the show you mean I sure how much of
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it the reason I'm not getting one is
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because none of the launch games are
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like sort of must-haves for me like yeah
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but if we if we just be you know if we
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send you one and will you come will you
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talk about
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I don't know I mean I don't see what I'm
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talking about see my jacket on I know I
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know hard to get you to talk I am gonna
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get 1 i'm and i'm gonna get the black
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one because that's the good one
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unfortunately am i payin two different
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colors but the deluxe one is in black
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and i would rather have it in white but
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i do want to have the deluxe one comes
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with a packing game comes with more
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memory which is the important part but
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i'm not like the games that are out now
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2d Mario is what I'm not really into
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people are going to think outside of
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lettuce but i prefer the 3d ones and
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intend to land which is a bunch of mini
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games which will be fun i'm sure but you
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know not a reason for me to rush out and
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get the system and zombiu looks
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interesting but probably too hard for me
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you should read the reviews of that game
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if you haven't already it's a it's a
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kind of a shame its launch title because
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it might get eclipse then maybe they'll
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have a sequel that will be better but
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it's a very interesting concept so I'd
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be interested to try that but I don't
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know and also I don't think these we use
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are actually around these days it's kind
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of a they're kind of scarce and I think
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I could find you one crowdsource it yeah
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would you accept one if we manage to
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find one and get at you you think you're
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gonna find i don't know i'm going to try
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if final lie to you and then and have it
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shipped to my house in time to do a show
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about it five weeks yeah maybe listen
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five by five at itv such contact do not
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pick hypercritical just pick contact and
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benjamin from the list if you can get me
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one of these and all paypal you some
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money and we'll get it to john has to be
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black one there was to be black one end
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up returning it back to you because you
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should i mean keep it fair that's
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actually i want you to have it yeah yeah
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I'm gonna get one myself you know now
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you're gonna get a black one from uh
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from us all right I'll see about that
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all right that would definitely give us
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a topic for a show if I happen to maybe
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a bonus show maybe a hundred and first
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episode let's not go crazy alright so if
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you wonder you can follow John siracusa
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he's siracusa on twitter SI RAC USA he
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is siracusa on alpha dot net and i'm
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gonna do this just for you he is
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siracusa intent is look at that just for
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and you can follow me i'm damned
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benjamin on twitter down on Alpha and
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appreciate you listening you can go to
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five by five TV such hypercritical / 95
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in order to see the show notes that John
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has curated and put together for you so
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go there check it out and we truly
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appreciate it anything else John we good
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for this week people should still
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remember to leave their reviews yes yes
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even though the show is ending in fact I
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would say van all the more reason to
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leave them it's your last chance to
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leave a review that's timely there you
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go you know there's no sense i mean
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reading a book that's a hundred years
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old and saying that's pretty good book
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like by now you know you want a review
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when it's fresh this will stay up on the
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iTunes forever is over it'll just be
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sitting there it'll be there forever and
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people be able to get all 100 episodes
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or just a lot forever no it's all 100 if
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you subscribe to the RSS feed or the
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itunes feet they're all there and
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they'll always be there there you go and
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now it's like seasons of television
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shows that have been canceled it'll
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still be there we're never gonna they're
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always be there alright so that's it
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have a good week John we'll see you next
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week yep
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