The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable episode 169 november [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► 2013moe welcome back everybody the [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► uncomfortable in your host Jason snail [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and we're here because 50 years ago some [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► very clever people in England created a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► very strange interesting television show [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► that has against all odds survived with [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► a few bare spots here and there has [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► survived into the 21st century and of [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► course talking about Doctor Who which [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► turns 50 this very weak and joining me [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► to talk in general about Doctor Who [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► we're just gonna geek out about Doctor [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► Who for a little while [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► that's what this is going to be so get [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► ready I've got some wonderful guests [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► that i've i've put together who have a [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► relationship with Doctor Who that goes [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► back a little bit longer than 2005 [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► believe in the Russell T Davis revival [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► you know I'm you remember him from many [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► past episodes he's not on as much as [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► used because he's very busy but he's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► here tonight it's going fleischmann hi [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► Glenn [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► I please state the nature of your [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► medical emergency [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► no you got the wrong free trial you're [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► killin me you're your recent Steve let's [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► think in Babylon 5 as part of Star Trek [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► this is part of my crossover dark heresy [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► heresy everywhere yet is it is we've [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► already were off so far off the rails [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► you can't even see them from here that [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Voice you heard is chip chip are you [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► going by your your full name now or you [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► just chip TV strip I'm out of the closet [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► i'm out of the blue closet [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► my name is chip sudderth and I'm hosted [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► the 2-minute Time Lord podcast right he [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► used to be that cheap guy now he has [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► chips out of host of the excellent to [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► mint of Time Lord podcast i love it i [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► also love short podcasts and the two men [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► Time Lord generally delivers not always [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► but generally delivers on the 2-minute [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► promise i love that it's great [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► I i disclaim heavily when when it [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► doesn't deliver [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► around that and and Jason Mann say [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► you're a beautiful podcaster probably [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► thank you very much same believe this [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► man and and Erica and sign is back as [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► well she too appears on the Doctor Who [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► podcast in her case being Verity which [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► is another excellent doctor podcast that [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► lives on my iphone in my little [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► podcasting app hi Erica [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► hello it's nice to be back Yes Doctor [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► Who podcasts all around but circular [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► logic will only make you dizzy [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► alright so here we go doctor-who it's a [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► show you may have heard of its it's from [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► the BBC it came on in November of 1963 [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► and fifty years later it's still on now [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► there was a time i have to admit there [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► was a time when I I really believed that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► it was never going to come back because [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► i remember when dr. went off the air in [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► what 1989-90 with sylvester mccoy which [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I didn't you know believe it or not I [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► haven't even seen that last season of [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► Sylvester McCoy I I never saw when I [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► went to college I I starting college in [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► the fall of 88 and there was no like [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► reliable TV and I never and I i think [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► i've i've never seen that last that last [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► season but it was often it was gone and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► then there was the abortive attempt to [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► bring it back on Fox that led to just [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► the backdoor pilot that they shot with [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► paul mcgann that basically any [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► enthusiasm in the network so they just [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► sort of burn it off and it was never [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► picked up and it really looked like [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► doctor who was was dead dead dead and i [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► always thought that you know that was a [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► shame because we would have this 50th [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► anniversary we look back and say well [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it's too bad that that old thing didn't [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► make it and in fact instead we are in [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the midst of this avalanche of Doctor [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► Who stuff for the 50th anniversary you [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► can buy Doctor Who shirts at hot topic [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► that kind of thing that all right there [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► but I my my son my son went as the 11th [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► doctor for halloween this year and he [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► went to school and was very happy to [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► point out and actually my wife took a [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► picture and texted it to me at work that [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► he was not the only 11th doctor in his [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► class my awesome bowties are cool and [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and yeah fourth-graders like bowties and [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► fences it turns out so it's just I I [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► kind of can't believe that we've gotten [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► to this point that this crazy show has a [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► has first time in America speaking as as [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► as for people in in the united states [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that is taking off to the point where [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► you can buy Doctor Who shirts and hot [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► topic and people seem to actually know [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► what the show is because there was that [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► time in the nineties where my favorite [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► doctor who joke by the way i'm gonna [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► share it now which is how many doctor [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► who fans does it take to screw in a [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► light bulb I don't know Jason how many [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► none they just sit in the dark and wait [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► for it to come back on [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► oh that's great joke instead it's [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► irrelevant now it's totally irrelevant [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► we can laugh about it now but there was [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a time in the middle in the nineties in [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► the early 2000s when it was painfully [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► true although to be fair to the those [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► folks who were doing something during [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► that time there was an awful lot going [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► on during the quote-unquote wilderness [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► years they were novels there without Big [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► Finish audios so it really wasn't quite [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► as as as dead as people thought it was [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► for me I i think actually the active of [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► graduating from high school and going [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► off to college as the show was kind of [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► fading out it was this kind of double [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► double fade out for me where I just sort [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► of wasn't even aware of anything until I [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► i read somewhere in I guess 2004 that it [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► was coming back i remember the I would [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► visit that the BBC's cult section every [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► now and then write a great section that [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► had Doctor Who in it even the BBC had [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► filed doctor who are way under cult at [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that point and then all of a sudden [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► there was this it's coming back banner [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► and it was a and that was the Russell [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Russell Davis relaunch announcement that [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► really started the ball the ball rolling [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► for for all the craziness that we have [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► today I think that the big finish audio [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► and the the novel's those were the it [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► wasn't there out of the mainstream I was [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► a huge Who fan and I kind of lost track [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► of it and then it was gone and i didn't [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► i didn't know i mean pre-internet maybe [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► was harder to find you have to go [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► especially stores or you'd be more tuned [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► into fan conventions and things like [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► that in America there's less going on in [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► any case but i don't think i was aware [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► until realm [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► silly recently you know certainly pass [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► the nineteen nineties how much was being [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► produced in those years so it wasn't [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► clear i mean i think there was that [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► there was that effect to that even those [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► of us who like the show if we didn't do [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the work we didn't know that there was [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► still stuff being produced that was if [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► not can at least you know close to [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► cannon that we probably would have [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► enjoyed if you were British fan you had [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► a little more access to that and if you [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► were in America you had to be of the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► star log consuming variety of science [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► fiction and I suppose or just like my [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► mom who would do anything to search of [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► Doctor Who stuff but honestly she kind [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► of she read a few of the first new [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► adventures novels i think with the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► seventh doctor and I think I think that [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► it just didn't do it for her so she [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► didn't continue with it and since she [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► didn't continue that I certainly wasn't [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► gonna spend my own money on stuff so I [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► didn't really read them either so let's [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► put our part of history with this since [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► the show has 50 years of history and and [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► last time I checked all of us are our [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► young groove and the show we're talking [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► about so far away with it doesn't make [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► uh I bit maybe I could ask each of you [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► in turn for a little bit of your your [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► story about how you initially discovered [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that doctor who and then if a you know [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► if you've got a story about the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► wilderness years and if you if you kind [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► of focused on other things and how you [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► kind of us snapback to it because now [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► we've got people participating in [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► podcast about Doctor Who so obviously [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► that enthusiasm level came back if it [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► ever went away [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► chip what about you how did you how do [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you discover this this this crazy thing [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► and and how'd you get where you are [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► today I discovered it in the traditional [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► manner of my forefathers which was a [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► fellow teenage geek in high school said [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► there's this show on PBS in the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► afternoons on Saturdays and i discovered [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the i discovered doctor who with Peter [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Davis and who was the fifth doctor in [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► his episodes were airing sort of in the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► mid-eighties on PBS and at that time I [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► was just starved for science fiction at [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► any at any level I'd take it was on it [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► on an unusual time i noticed immediately [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► that the special effects weren't quite [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► up to the level of say Knight Rider [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► but but there it was still it was still [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► new and different and an odd uh maybe it [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► was the british accents maybe it was uh [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► the UH rapidly constantly rotating cast [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► and Lord knows when I saw the app the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► fifth the five doctors the episode that [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► um that first reunited all of the ball [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► of them that what 20th anniversary right [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah the 20th anniversary in it if [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► it first reunited all but all of the [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► doctors except for tom baker who got a [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► cameo when I first saw that I was just [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► amazed there was a there was another [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► multi dr. story before that but that was [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► before my time so it might as well not [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► have existed but there is a sense when [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► watching the five doctors that was i [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► watch that early on in my 10 years dr. [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► fan too [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► there is a sense that there's this [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► yawning chasm of history that you have [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► you know nothing about but you can tell [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► that it's there and that these [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► references are flying fast and these [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► people are relevant and as a as a new [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► watcher you're like I have no idea [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► what's going on here but obviously [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► there's a lot to know and learn that [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► that I have no idea what these [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► references are at all [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► indeed and I i kept up with it through [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► college I remember watching sylvester [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► mccoy is remembrance of the Daleks on a [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► bootleg VHS tape that had been converted [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► from powell to Wow ntsc and all that [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► other good stuff crowding in friends [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► dorm room to watch it but then the show [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► disappeared and just like you I kind of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► forgot about it my friend who got me [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► into the show noted the paul mcgann TV [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► movie and I called my attention to it [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► but i missed it and then it fell [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► completely from my brain until until the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► rtd series came back and that was when I [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► not only rediscovered the show but [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► absolutely fell in love with it [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► to be fair the eighth [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► these was a televised sci-fi wasteland [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► the eighties and early nineties other [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► than like Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► there were not a lot that was in the in [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► the mid-nineties there was sort of a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► renaissance of like syndicated sci-fi [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► series and the sci-fi channel and and a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► bunch of stuff like that Babylon 5 [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► but you know that before that period it [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► was kind of vacant and that's my [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► recollection of one of the reasons why [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► that doctor who like you said kind of [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► snag your attention was there wasn't a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► lot like will you know when you're when [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► you're in the desert and and you know [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► there's there's nothing to like that [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► thirst as a kid especially as a sci-fi [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► fan and you see some strange monster and [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► a guy with a time machine you're like [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► wait wait a second what is this [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► so there's more of this there's lots [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► more of this let's let's do that because [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that you know there wasn't and i'm not [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► saying it in a derogatory way that there [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► wasn't anything else but certainly do it [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► wasn't as if it was competing with 30 [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► other shows that you could watch you're [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► like well hi this is a weird show i [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► haven't heard of forget about it was [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► like there was nothing there were they [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► were so few shows and they would get [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► cancelled after four episodes and then [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you feel about it after next one so that [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► was a part of it too [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► yeah i was i was otherwise getting my [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► science fiction fix from anime like [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► programs like Robotech and things like [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► doctor-who yeah by comparison was [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► respectable which wasn't exactly the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► reputation that had and britain at the [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► sure Erica what about you what's your [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► what's your history with doctor who you [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► mentioned your mother it was your mother [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► a fan before you indeed well sort of [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► at the same time I i discovered it in [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► the manner of by your mother she has [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► been she was a science-fiction fan from [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► long before I was born [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► I by saw Star Trek or Star Wars in utero [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► so I mean I was raised on the stuff and [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► I think the closest second figures i was [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► about five years old when Mom [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► stumbledupon doctor who on PBS and [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► because she was a stay-at-home mom at [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► the time I just watch whatever she [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► watched and that was a lot of Doctor Who [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► so I grew up on it and i always tell [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► people that for me doctor who is like [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► family [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► and I don't think people quite [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► understand the degree to which this is [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► true for me it was almost like he was an [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► uncle that just visited every week it [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► was such a it imprinted on me at such a [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► young age as part of the fabric of our [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► lives at that time and it was my [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► favorite show [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► I'm my one of my good friends whom I'm [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► still friends with to this day we met on [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► the bus on the way to kindergarten and [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► bonded because we were both fans of [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► Doctor Who so i mean that's that's the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► kind of lasting friendship that you can [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► derive from from loving doctor who and I [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► just grew up watching it and my mom was [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► such a hardcore fan she was going to [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► Doctor Who conventions when I was young [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► like other kids had parents who went on [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► you know business trips my mom would go [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► after dr. conventions and meet you know [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► Patrick Troughton and jon pertwee colin [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► baker and Tom Baker I mean she met most [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► of them at the time and I was very [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► jealous but I was too little to to tag [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► along as far as she was concerned she [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► wanted to go half have fun on her own [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► and like most kids when they reach a [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► certain age they sort of start to [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► staining their family a little bit and [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that's kind of what happened [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► I never disdain doctor who but I sort of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► fell off a little bit when I when I went [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► to college and in late in high school we [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► for me there was never really a [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► wilderness years period because my mom [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► was such a crazy hardcore fan that she [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► videotaped everything I mean there was a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► time when the Super Bowl or something [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► was on and the same day as PBS is [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► running a doctor who marathon and this [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► created quite a rift in our household [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and eventually my mom just decided to [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► rent a VCR because we didn't own one in [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► those days rent a hotel room and the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► entire day taping doctor who [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► so for me it was just always at my [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► fingertips but I dropped off for a [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► little while and then when I went to [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► college I kind of got back on the horse [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► a little bit because I began the the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► grand tradition of proselytizing and had [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► a couple of of roommates and friends in [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► college that I was like you guys are are [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► geeky Star Trek fans you must watch [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► Doctor Who and I did such a good job [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that actually my my roommate Jeff when [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the 1996 TV movie came out on Fox he [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► had an exam a college exam scheduled [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► against it and so he went to the exam [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► filled in a little scantron sheet ABCD [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► ABCD ABCD ABCD was out in 10 minutes and [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► ran home to catch the most of the movie [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► so that's one of my great achievements [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► in life is is turning on somebody to [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► Doctor Who that much that they were [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► willing to fail an exam so it in the in [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the in the wilderness years you would [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you say you never really left [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► I really didn't too much it was actually [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► maybe the late wilderness years because [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► after college when I got a real job that [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► was when I sort of stopped taking it [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► upon myself to rewatch the stories so I [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► I went through a kind of a really long [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► drought after that and didn't honestly [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► when the show came back in 2005 I was [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► not looking forward to it [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► I was I was one of those Grumpy Old fans [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► it was just like oh my god they're gonna [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► screw it up [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► I don't really want to watch it so I [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► didn't even start watching the 2005 [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► series until I don't know [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► halfway through maybe maybe not until [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► all of them had already aired and my mom [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► of course had them cuz she downloaded [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► them and hanuman like CDs or something [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► so when I finally got around to watching [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► it took me a while to warm up to it but [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► then but then I liked it but I i guess i [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► was never as into the new series as I [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► was into the classic series until more [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► recently when I discovered fandom which [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► was a thing that i did not know existed [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► at all until about two years ago [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► Thank You Twitter wow you discovered [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► fandom through twitter i did it and my [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► husband incidentally yeah so what do I [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► was going to get to that you didn't just [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► maybe friend your kindergarten friend on [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the bus through a love doctor who but [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► you also met your husband through doctor [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► who's so pretty impressive he has a [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► doctor who podcast which I started [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► listening to and then started talking to [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► him on Twitter and one thing led to [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► another and now i'm moving to Canada so [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► there you go [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► oh my gosh i was gonna ask if a it was [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► that you know the leaf fell out of the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► sky land in your face and then yep he [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► rescue across the street but you know a [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► Twitter open would get that reference [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► plant foot want to come on let's get out [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► of bird a bird follow the city it's a [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► just wait and serenity reference to win [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► why should I am a leaf on the wind right [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► no it's not like it's not like nothing [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► walking into the lane it's about when [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► Claire's parents met him that one kid [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► alright what about You Glenn you did you [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► also dug you know as a nerdy teenager [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► preteen flip past PBS and discover a man [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► with a long scarf perhaps yeah i'm [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► assuming as always and I'm the oldest [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► person on this podcast is usually the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► case is usually safe that and it was [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► great losses on yes mr. an older man [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► united team old man forever and yeah I [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► recall so I lived in eugene organ lovely [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► town Oregon and PBS there it seemed like [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► doctor who was always on there was some [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► point I don't know how old I was i think [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► i must have been early teens we move to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► oriental I was aged 11 and I think for [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► like six years while i was in my parents [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► house before I went to college that it [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► feels like doctor who was always on PPS [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► i have no idea how often was on but [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► whenever i want to watch it there was [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► like it was all over you know key of [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► time marathon or it would be like 11 at [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► night and I turn on the television and [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► there would be somebody they showed it [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► was the weirdest thing that they showed [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► Tom Baker almost exclusively now if I [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► remember the time frame they were not [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► showing the because this was actually [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► after those episodes and this is years [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► of age they weren't showing the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► contemporary Peter Davison and colin [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► baker episodes i don't think i think [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► they were showing Tom Baker largely and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► then later and remember what it was it [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► must have been when I was mostly after [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► college I moved back to seattle in the [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► early nineties that's when I watched all [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► the Jon Pertwee's so whoever was running [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► it then I don't know what cable channel [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► had in the early nineties i think it [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► must have been cable not PBS was it not [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► on ksps at that time because i know they [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► were instrumental in variance Doctor Who [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► to the northwest [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► well boy you know i have a recollection [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► of being cable but i remember watching a [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► seemingly infinite amount of jon pertwee [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► because i didn't watch her until after [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► baker and it's kind of like watching you [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► know Roger Moore and then Sean Connery [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► don't know what to make of things [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► alright let's take a break from Doctor [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► Who for just a minute [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► will then travel backwards in time and [TS]

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00:21:56 ◼   ► incomparable doctor who is not a it [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► generally has only been the old series [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► on non-commercial TV they did cut up [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► something some seventies episodes and [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► have you know weird faden's and fade out [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► for commercials but generally I think it [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► was always on PBS and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► us with a couple exceptions but they do [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► this thing where they would show i [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► recall let me especially Tom Baker's [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► they would do that [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► Baker Wednesday running as they would [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► take a ton of them and stick them [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► together so i could sit and watch like [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► two or more hours they must've had a lot [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► of space to fill on saturdays and [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► sundays and I missed a lot of time to [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► kill at that point my life but so I [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► think I I want to believe that i've seen [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► almost all the Tom Baker series and [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► quite a bit of jon pertwee but you know [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► I've only seen a handful of i rewatched [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► a via netflix in the last few years i [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► went back and looked at some stuff I [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► have never seen William Hartnell episode [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► full I don't you ever seen a patrick [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► troughton episode i've seen the three [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► doctors have seen the five doctors I've [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► seen a little bit of sylvester mccoy i [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► did watch the paul mcgann movie when it [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► was originally aired because i was so [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► excited so sad you mean you didn't you [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► didn't watch roseanne instead haha like [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the rest of America [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► yeah my yes there might have been a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► better choice strangely enough but then [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► I and then I was out i can remember [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► Jason you know probably talked about [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► when doctor who is being rebooted even [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► we're probably already talking about [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► stuff priplanus and I know I've seen I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► was well I was excited to see [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► Christopher Eccleston because I thought [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► he's a fascinating performer and so I've [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► watched everything since 2005 so Mike my [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► gap sorry sir of one to five six and [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► seven but you know jon pertwee and Tom [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► Baker sort of define a big hunk of the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► area so i feel like i have a good [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► grounding in then we're going to talk [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► about about about good doctors and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► favorite doctors in a bit but i'll give [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you my i'll give you my quick version of [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► this sketch I to discovered i remember [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► clearly because I was in seventh grade [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► so it would have been like 1983 1982-83 [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► and I and I was flipping around on a [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► Saturday afternoon and on i want to say [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the PBS station from San Francisco kqed [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► not the one from Sacramento which is [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► where i watch most my doctor who [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► there was a man in a long scarf climbing [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► up the side of what looked like sort of [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► a you know cardboard might have to say [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► that tower and and being attacked by a [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► guy in it like a tentacle in a in like a [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► guy in a suit with a tentacle and uh I [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► now know this is the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► power of Kroll that I was seeing and I [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► was again enthralled like what the heck [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► is this thing this is not like if other [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► things on TV and I love science fiction [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► and let's let's see what it is and i [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► started to watch it and and the the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► channel nine the kqed broadcast were [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► fuzzy where I was we lived about a [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► hundred miles away from San Francisco [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► and also it's sporadic but it turned out [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► that saturday nights on the other much [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► closer station they would edit together [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► an entire story in that omnibus [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► collection and eric and and it was short [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► they would do to so I so I started [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► watching every Saturday night also not [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► having anything else to do on a Saturday [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► night and they played tom baker and I [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► think this was what PBS stations that [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► they play tom baker through and then [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► they played Tom Baker through again you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► would get to lakopolous he would [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► regenerate the moment has been prepared [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► for and robots and your back to robot [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► merely what the heck just happened now [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it's the early seventies again and it [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► was just cycle through those kind of [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► endlessly and then I remember knowing [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► enough about it and I can't even [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► remember how it must have been a starter [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► log kind of thing finding out about [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► Peter Davison is that as the fifth [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► doctor and getting really excited when [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► it cycled all the way back around to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► look opolis that we would be able to [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► shoot right on into the cast out and and [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► and of course then what happened was not [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► robot that it was spared from space we [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► were back at with jon pertwee and i'm [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► like 'who so close and now it's going to [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► be forever before we work our way back [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► up to nineteen eighty-one because we [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► just went all the way back to nineteen [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► seventy da so you think that was I [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► watching the same stuff you were then it [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► sounds like they cycle because I well [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► today yeah i think what different media [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► stations provide different packages but [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► anyway eventually my PBS station locally [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► did run through all of Peter Davison and [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► then got to colin baker and like I said [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► I i think i caught the first season and [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► parts of the second season of of of [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► sylvester mccoy i adn't in the in high [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► school I definitely you might my fever [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► reached its peak I i have attended three [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► Doctor Who conventions in my life [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► one of which was last year and I i went [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► there to be on a panel with chip so [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► thanks chip [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► you're welcome and any other two or when [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► I was in high school I went to one in [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► san jose and one in sacramento and i met [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► patrick troughton actually what was [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► super awesome and that was right when [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the two doctors was coming out which is [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► his episode with cock with colin baker [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► and yeah that was that was pretty cool [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► stuff and actually one of the great [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► great reasons to go to a convention in [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► those days if you time it right was that [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► you would see episodes that that were [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► just not available in America and they [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► would bring the PAL tapes with them and [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► just play up an episode you play a whole [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► story in the middle of a giant [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► convention hall and everybody would just [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► sit there and watch it which was kind of [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► crazy or possibly not available in the [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► UK either because the five doctors was [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► actually shown the very first airing was [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► I didn't believe in chicago at the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► convention there and the people in the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► UK where po2 very angry and then with [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the whole circulating the tapes thing [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► where i actually got their specific [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► episodes that I knew really well because [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► I met somebody who in like I met a guy [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► from Texas who sent me like three VHS [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► tapes full of Peter Davison stories but [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► only some of them and I know those [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► really well and others i've seen like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► once or twice so anyway you know I was [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► really enthusiastic for a while and then [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and this is people who love Sylvester [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► McCoy will will will la be sad now but [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► you know that I was less interested in [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► him and hit and his style that they went [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► with the show and I was getting ready to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► graduate from high school I just sort of [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► felt it just sort of fell off my radar [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► and I didn't pay attention to it anymore [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and I I I think I i think i taped a [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► bunch of old episodes I threw away the [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► tapes at some point when i was home from [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► college like that whatever I've moved on [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► in my life I little TARDIS model that i [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► built a balsa-wood I put that in the [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► garbage cans very sad but I'm so then [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► and i watch the poem again a movie too [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► and was you know that was it that was [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► just looking at it he said I've done but [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► but I so here's the thing is I remember [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► when the first episode of the of the new [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► series leaked on the internet and that [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► guy from The Canadian Broadcasting [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► Company that he put it on bittorrent or [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► Predis esser too [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► torrent and i downloaded and i watched [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it and I was um I just wanted to see I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► was I was very curious and and I didn't [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► expect much after after all that time [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► and i was pleasantly surprised and I was [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► very excited about it and so I I after [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► watching it I i said to my wife who had [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► no knowledge doctor but also you gotta [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► watch this and then from there I spread [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► that around two to my friends but the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► problem was of course that didn't air in [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► the US for like a year after that but [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that got me really back into it that so [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the new series rekindled all of that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► useless information that i had gathered [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► over the course of about five years when [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► I was just turning into a teenager the [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► fact that the gunfighters with cereal Z [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► or Zed for those who are listening in [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► other countries things like that [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► why do I will because I read all these [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► freakin doctor who books about this [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► about shows I've episode I've get to see [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► or that are lost forever why did I do it [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► I don't know I wanted to know everything [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► there was about Doctor Who so it all [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► came rushing back and so although all [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► those parts of my brain that we're just [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► sitting there going hey I know lots of [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► things about Doctor Who use me i am from [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► a database of Doctor Who knowledge now [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► 50 years 50th anniversary now i can [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► access that information so that's my [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► that's my story came all the way back [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► let me ask me about the underground [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► today the fan conventions and it seemed [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► like for what I've heard in the older [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► days and not even that far back but like [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► when you talk about meeting Patrick [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► Troughton that that the events even if [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► they were let's say intimate that there [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► is less there's more interaction I [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► sounds like things are a lot more [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► distant these days of any of the kinds [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► of events because there's so many more [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► fans in the fandom is more intense [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► whether it's doctor who r star tracker [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► or whatever did you did you have more [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► direct interaction with the not some of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► the folks now is still behind i think [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► what you're talking about is more a [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► general sci-fi convention doesn't have [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► that much interaction I've actually [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► found that the Doctor Who specific [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► conventions tend to be very interactive [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► for example yeah for example Gallifrey [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► one the convention that Jason was [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► talking about earlier this past year [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► actually that's where i got married if [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you want to talk about how to protect or [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► houki i am yeah it's all coming out [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► it sure is up but you could just be [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► standing up i was standing in the bar i [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► remember for this year the year before [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► and I turned and looked [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► realize that that was Paul McGann [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► standing two people away from me and [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► just you know people hanging out [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► I'll Bacharach upon this not only [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► because I was there to see the wedding [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► but because the there is something about [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► Doctor Who fans particularly in the US [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► where there are there really is much [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► less of a barrier between the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► professionals and the fans are I like [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► mad as a podcaster I've gotten the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► interview several of the several of the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► actors and writers and producers and i [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► actually got kissed on the cheek by a [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► lizard at the last convention need [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► mcintosh Madame vastra she's lovely [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► sorry I'm I'm thinking about something [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► else right now obviously didn't even [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► want to I said hi the young Amy Pond [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► yeah but no it in America it's it's a [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it's an intimate fandom which belies the [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► fact that it's it's blowing up in [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► merchandise in hot topic and all that [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► other stuff [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► oh come on the doctor who booth two [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► years ago the doctor who the con three [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► years ago the BBC america booth at [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► comic-con was busy but manageable i [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► bought an orange Dalek this year at [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► comic-con you could not get within a [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► stone's throw of the BBC america booth [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► interest because the doctor and the [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► doctor merchandise line was insane and [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► you know they had gone from hat before [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► having like tried really hard to gin up [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► enthusiasm for it had like different [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► props in different places and you could [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► take pictures of them in text them and [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► win prizes and stuff and that they don't [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► didn't bother with that this year [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► they're like yeah where you know it was [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it was totally insane [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► plus the costumes at comic-con like the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► number of Doctor Who costumes I mean it [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► was very clearly like taking over media [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► this media convention it was like a [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► recognizable piece as opposed to being [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► sort of like this odd thing off on the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► side that's obscure and culty same thing [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► at dragoncon dragoncon here dragon [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► dragon con this is a funny thing is I [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► feel like i'ma huge sci-fi not and I've [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► never gone to these things it's not out [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► of fear or dislike or concern like [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► comic-con dragoncon all these things and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► now we're going [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► off-topic but the Doctor Who convention [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► some more appealing because because the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► Tennessee you talk about it like I [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► followed this stuff I really its there's [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► something about you know what do you [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► seek out you seek out some sense about [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► its authenticity or connection and I'd [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► rather go to a place where I feel like [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► I'm part of a smaller crowd than I huge [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► overwhelming one there is more intimacy [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and authenticity had a Doctor Who [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► convention i find i can't agree more and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► actually these this year a lot of the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► Doctor Who conventions with the huge [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► popularity are are smartly capping their [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► registration and making sure that they [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► keep it sort of intimate and I think [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► that's a good thing I i did see more [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► doctor who costumes at dragoncon than i [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► did probably anything else I mean even [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► if some reason more than Star Wars which [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► is its kind of strange different from [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the last time i had gone which was with [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► two years previous [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► but I i did go to the Doctor Who [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► programming at dragoncon and I really it [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► made me appreciate the Doctor Who [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► specific conventions a lot let's just [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► say that [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► yeah and I think there are a couple of [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► reasons [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► Jason for uh what does that sort of [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► tracking that you saw of the ink the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► increase crowds at the BBC america booth [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and the explosion of fandom in the US [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► for one thing it was a slow burn [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► we were getting the episode slower you [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► know it was almost it was an instant [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► phenomenon in the UK when the show came [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► back in 2005 but it was as you said it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► took a little while for the show to come [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► back in the US and the sci-fi channel [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► and I get all did not take care of the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► show very well they aired at random [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► periods they aired it late and all that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► stuff but it was still slowly building [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► and about the time that david tennant is [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► about to leave the series on BBC America [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► gets the show [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► yeah and BBC america has a smaller [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► audience the sci-fi channel but they [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► take much better care of the show and [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► then immediately you have a new doctor [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► matt smith you having essentially a soft [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► reboot of the series it's just going off [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► in a different direction is a perfect [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► jumping on point and that's when [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► American fandom just really latched on [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► and not even just American phantom all [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► of North America at this point in Canada [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► Doctor Who airs on the space channel and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► the space channel when Doctor Who airs [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► actually beating their network [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► programming as far as rating goes [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► sometimes fast it's amazing to because [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► as somebody who's has seen dr. through [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► the years I I don't have a knock-knock [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► joke or a or a lightbulb joke for this [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► one but I'm gonna just it sounds like [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► there's there's one here somewhere we'll [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► work it out [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► dr. was always gonna be big in America [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and it and it was always I mean in the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► eighties you could argue that the show [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► itself was the producers of the show [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► actually started to like try to get into [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the what will work with fandom what will [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► make us break through in America there's [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► some interest in the show in America and [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► it i would argue it maybe it probably [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► made the show worse and not better you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► know the John nathan-turner kind of [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► catering to the fandom and and [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► disappearing up its own backside a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► little bit but but you know it always [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► seemed like this it was never gonna [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► happen right i mean that's what i can do [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► is like it's great we can talk about [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► Doctor Who being this close to breaking [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► through in America and was never gonna [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► happen and then all the sudden happened [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► and you're right chip it was BBC america [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► which needed to establish an identity [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► for itself and was going to be able to [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► use Doctor Who as a battering ram to to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► get established in a way that sci-fi [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► channel had no need sci-fi channel it [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► was like leftovers from somebody else [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► and i will buy it'll be cheap will put [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► it on and and BBC america marketed it [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and used it as part of its identity and [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you look at BBC I i made this comment on [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► Twitter the other week I feel like the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► BBC america in some ways is the real [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► sci-fi channel now because you look at [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► some of them the the shows that they've [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► got on and they're certainly running [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► next gen and battlestar know that that's [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► that's true too but something like [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► orphan black [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► you know if that's a size is a sci-fi [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► series essentially but it's a BBC [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► america original essentially so that [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► that it turns out that's what did it is [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the the BBC america wanting to establish [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► an identity and having this new show [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► that was at the perfect moment with matt [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► smith taking over to reintroduce it to [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► people and and there had been that [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► bubbling beneath the surface where [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► people had discussed discovered it on [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► syfy and liked it and then it was ready [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► was primed for that moment where it [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► we're just sort of took off so you know [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► I i was going to say that the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► when the new show came back I mean I [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► definitely when I was spreading the word [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► far and wide one of the things that I [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► noticed is that that uh so sci-fi fan [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► demo in a lot of cases is a very [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► male-dominated thing i would i would say [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► historically one of the things that i [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► really enjoyed about the new doctor who [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► is that i was able to share that with my [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► friends who are women who really loved [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► certain kinds of sci-fi shows Buffy [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► being example all of the women I know [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► who who bonded with me over buffy the [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► vampire slayer I said you gotta watch [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► this and they totally got it and I was [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► so excited because when i was 14 I [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► recall there being very few women around [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► the Doctor Who conventions and then this [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► new doctor was like no no this is this [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► is a broad appeal this is a show for [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► kids and grownups for men and women and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that was really exciting and so I felt [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like that it was close but it took that [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► it took that moment and and the mat [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► smith arrival I guess was that moment [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and and here we are hot topic hot topic [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah unbelievable should we talk [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► about doctors since this is one of the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► amazing things about the show is that it [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► is managed why it other shows can't last [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► because everybody gets old or they want [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► a lot of money in their contract and the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► show's end unless it's the simpsons [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► let's animated and then they can replace [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► the actors voices with computers after a [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► while is probably what's gonna happen [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► I'm here you know hero Robo Homer well [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► they will have set every word in the [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► English language it somehow i am just [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► lon Flanders that's right haha but uh [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► but doctor who works by regenerating [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► itself not just in the main actors but [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► also in the in the producers and it and [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► in the format on a chip you've talked [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► about that onto a Time Lord a lot of one [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► of the beauties of the show is that it [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► read imagines itself in in lots of [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► different ways sometimes a week to week [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► and certainly from from era to era and [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and you know we offer mark that time [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► based on the lead actors but but there [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► are lots of other ways where the show is [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► managed to adapt because quite honestly [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► if you look at the first episode from [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► 1963 you couldn't really do that show [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► today it has to have changed a lot in [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the intervening 50 years thats that's [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► right there's an academic and Britain [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► named matt hills who is described the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► TARDIS is not a time machine but as on [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► Roisin [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah and and that's true because [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► you go over 50 years of Doctor Who and [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► not not only has the lead actor change [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► but the style of storytelling has [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► changed dramatically you've had [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► espionage thrillers you've had based on [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► that basis under siege with creeping [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► crawling slumbering monsters you've had [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► humor you've had romance James Bond spy [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► sort of yeah that the show seems to [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► reinvent itself uh to fit the to fit the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► context of the of the times that is [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► being made in 2005 doctor who is [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► different from 2013 doctor who's really [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► different from 1963 and the actors [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► change to and that's the that's the [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► genius of the show it the most important [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► doctor in the show's history is patrick [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► troughton who was the second doctor [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► because he was the he was the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► regenerator he was the first regenerated [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► lead actor and if audiences hadn't [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► bought it then the show would have died [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► for that was that Dad fateful moment of [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► saying we're going to do this show and [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► it's going to be different but it's [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► still going to be this show and and that [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► was the that was yet the defining moment [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► in some ways was not starting it but [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► continuing it and it really was like [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► classic necessity is the mother and [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► dimension type of knowing where they [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► really kind of needed William Hartnell [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► to to get out for multiple reasons and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► decided okay we're going to try this and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► see how it works and damn if it didn't [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► it's a sci-fi show we can do it I've [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► watched all the regeneration sequences [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► because those are available in different [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► ways so that I am familiar with that I [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► think there's actually of all of them i [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► think the david tennant's entrance and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► exit are two of the defining moments and [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► how they dealt with that I don't know a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► great way like the way he appeared i [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► think i should say i actually get sushi [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Eccleston's x-rays that I'm going to be [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► gone i'm not going to be the same [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► I thought in the new series they really [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► adjust the fact that it's not the same [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► guy that this is a cheat that this isn't [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► it it's more emotionally resident [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► the way they played it it that [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► Jacqueline's like I'm gonna be going to [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► be somebody else than 10 shows up and [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► kind of go yeah everything's great but [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► it's a different person then returned it [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► left and his who his doctor you know [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► went out i watch that scene so many [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► times I don't worry says I don't want to [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► go and in their alternates that where he [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► record they filmed a few different ways [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► that some of the most moving stuff in [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► the entire show it comes to the heart of [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► like what is life about what is this [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► existence how the Time Lords they really [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► haven't won anything you know they act [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► as if they have but they haven't and i [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► don't know i think that's something that [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► they developed a lot more later [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► I mean they've played around with the [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► more to regeneration energy and all the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► rest of the two in the in the last two [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► years the modern series if you if [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► anything to find the modern series it's [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► a examining the the accepted principles [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► of Doctor Who in a way like how would [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► people respond to these which the old [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► series it was like alright it happened [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► it's didn't move on yeah and I think [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► that's definitely a big difference [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► between the classic series in the new [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► series in the classic series they were [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► pretty careful most of the time to be [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► explicitly saying I'm just I'm the same [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► person [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► it's just it's a different body and I'm [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► a little bit different in the new series [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► they take in a different direction and [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► Glenn you liked it i personally despise [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► it but you which way what did you know [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► what let's get into it so which cannot [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like the resistance you felt like there [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► was too much I mean there's an ego thing [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► like the new man walks away right [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► yeah you didn't really have I mean his [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► doctor was full of ego at the end he was [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► struggling the doctors send in all that [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► stuff I really that and that's what the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► thing that I didn't like because I adore [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► david tennant as a doctor he at the time [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► almost a planted Tom Baker as my [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► favorite and to see him go out that way [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► is as a he became whiny and I just [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► didn't like that I felt like it was [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► taking this this character i had put on [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► a really high pedestal and I mean it was [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► just like rtd just like took his little [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► finger and book tipped him off that [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► pedestal and he crashed hard for I'm [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► gonna get very personal here and say ma [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► I saw my grandfather grew up [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► away and I'm so it's very personal but [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► it's true is that I saw this man had [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► been incredibly strong as whole life [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► really fall apart at the end and it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► maybe that's why i resonate with me more [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► is it was exactly real to me in that [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► sense that you get that point and even [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► without you strip away the science [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► fiction is like he did not want to go [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► he was not ready to go in ten showed [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that doctor showed that and then it's [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► all hey it's matt smith could Geronimo [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► hood [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► wow that's that's a really to take it i [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► guess i guess you do point out that [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► david tennant was by far the most sort [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► of human of all of the doctors yeah and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► I guess what it comes down to it i [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► prefer doctor who is not that human I i [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like the ones that are more alien so I [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► think that they humanize them too much [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► at the end for me it took it a little [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► too far [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► yeah Glenn Glenn and Erica are [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► demonstrating the that the Rorschach [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► test nature TV show because it has a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► show does change so much and you are the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► the different actors play the doctor in [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► such a different way and the different [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► styles of storytelling up more bitter [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► battles have been fought in Doctor Who [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► fandom then arm then on the ancient [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► ancient fields of on the end ancient [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► medieval fields over what doctor who is [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► and who the right kind of doctor is and [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► all that stuff how sentimental you want [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► your storytelling and classic doctor who [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► was rarely sentimental modern aqua who [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► is extremely sentimental I I side more [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► with Glenn as far as enjoying seeing the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► tenth doctor you know with his with his [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► frailties and his excessive attachment [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► to the life that he was living and not [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► wanting to what not going to give that [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► whereas somebody who's used to seeing [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► this for 450 years worth and accustomed [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► to the changes and who wants to see [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► their doctor to be a little above these [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► human frailties will have the reaction [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► that Erica had and then thats that's one [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► of the things that makes doctor who is [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► so delicious that you can do that if you [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► don't like what [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► going on in a few just waiting to be [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► totally different just wait a minute and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► it'll be different we have one more [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► sponsor for this episode but guess what [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► it's a very special sponsor in that he [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► is on this episode Glenn fleischmann how [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► is it you are the sponsor and welcome [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► it's very nice to have you as a sponsor [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► it's very kind of you yes IIM the [TS]

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00:47:01 ◼   ► stay tuned at the end for a little bit [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► more from Glen so this is this is the [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► the trap with this character is that [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► you're saying goodbye to the actor and [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► you can you can play it completely [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► straight and say well he's just gonna [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► turn to another person he shouldn't [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► bother him that much and and then the [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► modern show there's there's been more of [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► this story of sort of like well let's [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► play it like a death because that way [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► you get the drama of somebody [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► considering the end of their lives in a [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► way that I don't know I felt some of [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that in the like the caves of Androzani [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► which is the last episode of peter [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► davison run where where he ki sacrifices [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► himself and in fact says I might [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► regenerate I don't know and and says is [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► this def he he is thinking he might not [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► make it and and and that's interesting [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► because then then you can play it and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► say this is this is somebody dealing [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► with mortality even though they're [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► actually kind of almost immortal but [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► that it's just a you could you can play [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► either way and I totally see both sides [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► i can enjoy david tennant saying another [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► man walks away i don't want to go and I [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► do and I've seen that seen a million [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► times because when I went to the doctor [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► who experience in London it plays on a [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► loop as you're walking through [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► for years that sounds like a perfect [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► vision of hell I don't want to go over [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► and over and over and over [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► oh please don't do they do it all the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► different versions i don't know it's [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► just like the one that aired and it's a [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► two minute loop and it goes on with the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► music and everything the whole time and [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► it's it's I it's burned on my brain now [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► but the point is the point is I can [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► enjoy that but at the same time have [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► some hesitancy in the idea that will you [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► be but you're not really going you're [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► not really dying you're just changing [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► and it you know and that's the dichotomy [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► of a of the show is that I mean in [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► reality it's a different actor I mean [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► we're coming into the 50th anniversary [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► and we're going to see multiple doctors [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► interacting with each other and that [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► that happens because they're different [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► actors I keep waiting for the episode [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► that's called the 10 doctors were it's [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► literally the same actor ten-time yeah [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that would be genius yeah it could be [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► him with the same face it doesn't have [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► to be it just makes it easier to have [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► different actors playing the character [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► you can have them all be the same one [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► and it would still theoretically work [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it's just it's a cheap and it's fun but [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► you know we all know that the reality is [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► that it's just the the doctors contract [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► is up and he wants to go do something [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► else or he's been fired and they put a [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► wig on the new guy just shrugged i guess [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► he's gone and and then and then we'll [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► move on shall we talk [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► should we talk about specific doctors [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► for for a minute i wanted to do that I [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► am I was on a podcast a little while ago [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► that was the madman with a box podcast [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► which was really enjoyable and he asked [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► me what my favorite doctor was and I [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► said I tried very hard not to say Colin [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► Baker because that's a terrible terrible [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► choice and yet as a child of the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► eighties he was the doctor when i was at [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► at at my peak of being a fan those [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► episodes were airing and I really wanted [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► to see them and I have a great in an [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► abiding love for vengeance on varos [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► because like it's basically the Doctor [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► Who version of Max Headroom and Max [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► Headroom is one of my favorite shows of [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► all time because it's about television [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► and media commentary and things like [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► that but it's it's you know it's not a [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► good choice and yet in some ways he's my [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► favorite and otherwise i guess i would [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► say David Tennant but i'm i'm there are [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► so many to choose from i was listening [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► to to Erica do your part [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► cast Verity and the amount of love for [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► Patrick Troughton I feel like is at an [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► all-time high now with the discovery of [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► those two new stories that they found in [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► a in a in a way station somewhere in [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Africa and have enough restored that [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that everybody seems to have come back [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► to patrick troughton as being defended [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► I've seen maybe three [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► Patrick Chan stories and he's great he's [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► great but I feel like I mean half of his [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► almost half of his run now not over half [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► its now almost half is lost to history [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► so it's hard to say so I don't know [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► whether you know you I was assuming [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► everybody who is allowed on Verity has [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► to say the second doctor is their [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► favorite but you suggested it's probably [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► Tom Baker is that right yeah actually [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► lives i think is the only one that says [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► the transducer absolutely she is well [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► okay she does she was shot she shouted [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► know she's very enthusiastic about [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► Patrick Troughton yeah i mean Tom Baker [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► is my doctor he's the one that I grew up [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► watching as I said for a little while [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► david tennant almost surpassed that but [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► then see I can never truly judge a [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► doctor until they're not on the air and [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► you know because my favorite doctor is [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► usually whoever i'm watching sure [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► so in the wilderness years it was Tom [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► Baker with my favorite peter davison was [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► my second favorite because once I knew [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the best at this point [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Pat Smith is really up there although i [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► think the longer he goes on the more [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Matt Smith we see it mixed in with the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► doctor and that that bothers me a little [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► bit so you don't have much longer to [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► wait those oh my god again so right now [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► honestly I think my favorite doctors [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► Peter Capaldi yes perfect i love him [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► yeah he's such a terrific actor it's [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► gonna be it's also i'm glad they went [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► older like you know they're getting [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► younger and younger and you're like baby [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► dr. Marcus babies is because it's gonna [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► happen oh yeah the thing that excites me [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► about Peter Capaldi is he said [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► established enough actor and he's played [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► so many roles we have absolutely no idea [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► what kind of doctor he's going to play [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► whereas most of the doctors have to a [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► certain extent played themselves are you [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► you can see you can see David Tennant [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► under the Tenth Doctor you can see Matt [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► Smith under the 11th doctor and all that [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► Peter Capaldi I I think he's wide open i [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► think i I'm I'm going to be completely [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► surprised to see what we [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► comes up with Capaldi aside chip do you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► have a favorite [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► I you know it in terms of the actors i [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► don't think a single doctor is a bad [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► doctor arm I I like them all the the [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► stories that were told during their [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► years that I know that story poem again [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► if you listen to those big finish audio [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► is he's so great but his show was not [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that great but he's a great yea after in [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► those stories he's a great doctor but [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► only if you close your eyes but David [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► David David Tennant is totally my doctor [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► note but I say that I always have to [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► disclaim because matt smith's is is a [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► genius [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► he is a he i think he has a more he's [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► made more creative choices in the role [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► but there's something about the [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► familiarity and the human miss of David [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► Tennant and arm and peter davison that [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► really appeals to me there are some [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► doctor who think fans who want to note [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► who want to feel like they know the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► doctor and there are some who I guess I [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► want to feel more awed by the doctor but [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► I am I tend to prefer the actors who [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► seemed more accessible in the world and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► actually Jason I'll back you up i really [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► like Colin Baker a lot the stories did [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► him Little service but his costume [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► didn't really work even anything else my [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► bad [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► the hehe he is against type in in in the [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► sense that he is brash and he is out [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► there he is a force of nature as opposed [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► to patrick troughton just sort of [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► suddenly hiding in the shadows and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► making everybody underestimate him but [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► Colin Baker has a sense of authority [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► around him that I really really like and [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► speaking of Big Finish he's been [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► redeemed if you live to see it finished [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► audios his his stories are among some [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► are among the best he's a really good [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► actor I actually feel in some ways he he [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► was you could you even almost get say [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► that he was cast to young because he is [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► he's a really good actor and I think he [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► got it was the wrong time and the wrong [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► show and the wrong decisions being made [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► by the by the people who produce the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► show and it'sit's tube and then he had [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► get the axe because the show was going [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► down the drain and they were trying to [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► anything they could to keep it to keep [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► it alive a shame when do you have a [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► favorite i do I don't know if this will [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► be an unpopular choice but it's [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► influenced by so Tom Baker was my Tom [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► Baker was my first dr. so and announce [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► doctor for a long time so I always liked [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► his performance I've seen in other [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► things and he's just there's something [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► about the actor i really like I just [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► he's enthusiastic and bizarre [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► yes and it's terrific and so I always [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► try always view the doctor through the [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► eyes of of Tom Baker of that [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► interpretation and I so Christopher [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► Eccleston's i have to say is probably my [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► favorite doctor even though i don't [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► think he had the greatest scripts i [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► think they were ok I think they still [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► did a lot of building and there was some [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► pretty there were some quite good [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► episodes in his short run but there was [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► something about the way so Tom Baker [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► could smile so broadly that you thought [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► his head was going to split into you and [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► I thought eccleston captured the sort of [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► manic have got nothing to lose kind of [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► thing that I think there's a core across [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the show that I've always thought I've [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► talked about how like I like the doctor [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► because a doctor runs in the danger not [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► heedlessly necessarily but not not [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► necessarily safely like he's always on [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► the verge of perhaps he's going to die [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► and he doesn't exactly care because he [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► knows he's doing the right thing maybe [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► that's part of why it was rough to take [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► some of the tenants stuff at the end [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► because he resisted and the doctor never [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► resist he always just runs into it and [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► then he sort of succumbed and I just [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► like Eccleston's sort of glee with which [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► he launched himself into things even [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► though he was this rough sort and he had [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► this rough accent a rough face all that [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► kind of stuff is this rough character i [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► just i don't know i like the vibe and I [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► liked his anger sometimes and I am but [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► the scripts i would say you know I've [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► gone back and watched some of those and [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► someone that was I think starting at the [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► beginning and tweeting about it going [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► like 26 get better just cheesy doesn't [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► get better like it does but there you [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► have to see those in the developing [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► character and Rose become so much better [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► and she starts sort of weak and weird [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► but she becomes a strong character more [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► important and then you just have to get [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► past the farting ale you do thats that's [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► why I'm [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► I don't I don't start people that rose [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► anymore i actually encourage people to [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► start with the eleventh hour catch up to [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► real-time and then jump back to Rose [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► because by then they should probably be [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► emotionally invested enough to sit [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► through the farting aliens yeah I i have [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► this is my pet theory about the doctors [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► which is which is that sometimes I i [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► like to draw kind of connections between [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► them so like it like I I sort of feel [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► that Tom Baker plan actually Tom Baker [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► and and christopher eccleston in some [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► ways are similar to me in that they may [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► feel like aliens in a in a really strong [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► way like this guy is playing on a whole [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► different level [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► he's not the white really odds not quite [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► human whereas david tennant I draw the [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► line I mean it's the obvious line but I [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► draw the line to Peter Davison that that [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► that they both they both have a similar [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► kind of energy and and exuberance and [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► and there's that wonderful little [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► special short where they meet in the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► TARDIS and and that is now they're [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► related another related by marriage they [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► are related so far yeah and then and [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► then matt smith i mean i guess the [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► obvious parallel is to patrick troughton [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► because if you look at the patrick [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► troughton stuff I i clearly i mean Matt [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► Smith said that he watched the patrick [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► troughton episodes and there's a [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► definite connection there and I i love [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► that the show has been on we talk about [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► 50 years and an 11 lead actors that it's [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► been on long enough that the the casting [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► the lead characters the era's can echo [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► and have these clear kind of echoes of [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► it but this is kind of like that in a [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► way that it couldn't be when there were [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► four I think you're right and my biggest [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► fear is that the Peter Cappelli era is [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► going to echo the jon pertwee era which [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► is my of my least favorite era of Doctor [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► Who by a landslide [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► what why is that because he was stuck on [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► earth and he was James Bond [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right yes I don't want I don't [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► love those episodes either I i watched i [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► watch them but yeah not I look the [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► surgery I think we had Sarah Jane was [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► wondering Good there are good Pertwee's [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► I I remember I remember really liking [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► the ambassador's of death I really i [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► remember really liking Inferno but they [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► were you know i love in for enough when [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► ambassadors death is it strikes me was [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► not different from [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► Oh what is the moon base with the one [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► where they where there's the transmat [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► that gets and the Ice Warriors are in it [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► its presence of death death scenes of [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► death at you know I I like those but I [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► feel like they're the off format [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► episodes they're not the normal ones [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► which is like you know which is the [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► standard Pertwee episodes which boring [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► to me my favorite part 1episode that and [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► I haven't seen all of them recently [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► enough to remember them but is a [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► recursive peloton were there you know [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► the doctor and Joe travel off the earth [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► so definitely more like definitely more [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► like a Tom Baker style episode so well [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► inferno it [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► inferno it [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► this is a parallel universe story in [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► which is what makes it so strange and [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► the Brigadier as an eye patch and this [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► evil Brigadier I don't know that yes the [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► brigade leader great leader yet so [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► everybody's evil in that parallel planet [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► but that's ok against hatch rather than [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► the goatee ice exactly and the missing [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► mustache palomar yep it's far out there [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► like David Lynch yes unfortunately it's [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► also what a seven-part cereal harder so [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► it goes on forever [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► it doesn't feel that long though because [TS]