00:00:00 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/8">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► Friday November second 2012 episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► number 92 far beloved hypercritical we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/19">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► would like to say thanks very much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/25">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► program possible Shopify com lynda.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► and shutterstock.com we also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/31">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► thank so much new band was sponsor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► month november my note and into dove my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► mapping app for mac and iOS whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► project organizing your life planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► your vacation no matter minor lets you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► collect structured expand your ideas god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► I'd cloud sharing built-in have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► mind maps with you wherever you go check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/51">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► afternoon hello how are you doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► fine day how is the weather how is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► power situation how are things holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/65">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► up in the Northeast uh everything's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► here there we never even lost power I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/70">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► grandstanding a little bit uh by talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/76">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► about how your your kids were playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► through all sorts of video games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► like grandstanding well yeah we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► power that kind of thing showboating is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/87">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► that a better word I don't think either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► one of those are proprio k and no I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► neighborhood but nothing bad happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► my house and we didn't lose power good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► was that the topic of the building to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/104">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► whether things did you not listen I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► not listen I intentionally did not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► Hall uh I will go on record and say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► prepared to be surprised but I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► covered every possible topic you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► possibly cover if it has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► anything that's happened in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► couple weeks well that's why I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► listen because you know I assumed there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► lots of overlap and it's much easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► without feeling self-conscious if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/137">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► hadn't actually heard what other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► said so hmm well Marcos and my entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► goal of the show was to cover every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► topic that you could possibly bring up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► think we did it high five all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/148">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► but I didn't hear it I know that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► right now this is all new to me and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/153">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► have to you know do the little men and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► black Mindwipe things so that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/156">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► now come to these topics again fresh cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► you gotta do both shows yeah and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► the frequency new show this morning so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► this will be my third current events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► show today that's right well like each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► time you feel like you're getting closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► to the truth of the matter right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► that no absolute I feel like if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► any doubt about getting to the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► the matter by the end of this show will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► have definitely done it here yeah let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► just get my I didn't think you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► actually finish so soon and since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► wasn't listening I didn't know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/184">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► you're gonna end let me just get mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► learned my lesson you've not learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► learned nothing I learned something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► not much does it ever occurred to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► Dan you like that movie I don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/198">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► Halloween movie matter to you all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► point the owners place their complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► confidence and trust in me that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► signed a letter of agreement a contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/212">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► you're so obsessed with that one little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► passage that one scene it now like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► I watch it again it'll be it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► letdown ya know he does that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► Dan does it he must want some dude trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► me he does it better all right let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/225">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► arranged so I can see all the people all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► other people who kept mentioning me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► during the chat and I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► ignore them know he resized my window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► from the top see see what happens did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► you find a stranger in the alps like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► did that thing where you try to move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► though and you accidentally grabbed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► accidentally grabbed the top edge of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► yeah and cited now my windows the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► side ah there's no one do for window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► resizing I just burned the computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► alright I have a lot of notes you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► fire today very disorganized I like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► this new siracusa same old all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/271">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► follow up let's dive in dive in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► right on the last show we discussed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► Microsoft Surface a bit and has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► relates to the ipad mini both of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► announced 11 ship timon was announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/289">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► storage sizes and how the mini comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► 16 but the smallest surface is 32 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/298">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► something about the OS on the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► taking up like 12 gigabytes so that 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► gig model really you only got 20 left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► after everything's in there so Karsten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► sills and a couple of that people wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► in with more concrete numbers on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► much room is taken up this is pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► from the anon tech review of Windows RT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► and the surface and all that stuff link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► is in the show notes and on says that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► between 6.5 and 7.5 gigabytes are taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► up with the OS and then another 750 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► 850 megabytes for office which comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► with the thing so it's not 12 total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► taken up I said it he had about 25 gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/336">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► alright no no that's actually wrongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► said it said 25 gigs have started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/347">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► start with so after Windows and Office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► well it's 17 gigs left for programs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► documents ah sorry the general idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► the OS and office take up a lot of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► on the shipping service is true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► that's probably why like on a 16 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► had seven or eight dedicated to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► then it's down to like 10 you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► anyway the general idea that the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► software takes up more room than does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► the ipad is still valid but the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► according to non tech these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/378">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► numbers he actually saw on his devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/379">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► something else from last week discussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► and now we're I guess we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► about new hardware or maybe in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► about the macbook pro screens where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► they're fusing the glass to the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► as opposed to having an LCD panel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► then like a small air gap and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► like a piece of glass so that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/400">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► saying if you you know dropped your keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► something you haven't actually scratched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► the screen with the old way you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/407">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► just replace the glass on the front and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► the LCD panel itself is protected by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► this sacrificial glass and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► fused together apparently even on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► old models where it had the piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► glass and then the screen if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► do that like scratch it up or and get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► thing replaced they always replaced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► as a single module anyway like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/425">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► replaced the screen and the glass at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► same time that's that's from stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► hackett on twitter and then Thomas brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► on Twitter explained it because I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► why why would they why wouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► just replace the glass he said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/436">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► because the glass is glued to the lid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► and the two can't be removed without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/439">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► heat and so they don't do that repair in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► the Apple stores you know in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► room with like a heat gun or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► it's just like they just sorry just give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/447">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► them a whole new thing so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► they replace it as you mentioned I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► know I mean I guess I don't want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/452">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► removing it or maybe the type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► where if you use a heat gun to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/455">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► loosen up the glue and you pull it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/456">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► like it's never the same again and it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► never get glued back right so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/459">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► replace it as a unit and finally on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► topic also from Twitter Tanner Silva [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► said that he got his screen replaced on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► his 15-inch retina MacBook Pro and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► forty-six dollars hmm so not cheap be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► careful with those screens on the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/476">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► discussed last time we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► about why is that chin still there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► why doesn't just look like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► de-emphasize but is still there it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► the apple logo on the front of it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/492">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► seems weird for Apple who's on their iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► devices any not all about shoving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► apple logo in your face but here on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/497">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► imac berries do it and what was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► speculation as to why laughing seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► like just to differentiate it from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► a monitor and just to make it more clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/505">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► that it's a computer right and the chin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► has been de-emphasized a couple theories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/510">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► about why the tuna there some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/511">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► said this stuff in the chin i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► they're like there's nothing in the chin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/514">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► there is stuff in the chin you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► the ram and the speakers and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► that but I mean that stuff could all fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► behind monitor like maybe they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► have a five millimeter edge on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► bottom if that was the case but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► like it's not like there's not room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► giant monitor for all the pieces of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/528">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► imac but a couple of other theories from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► this one from jack / on twitter and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► couple other people had similar feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► is that there's stuff behind the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► logo on the front of the thing he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► that the bluetooth antenna is there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► just got to have somewhere working radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► signal out and so if it's trapped inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► this metal case hmm if you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► through the screen you know cuz the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► screen will be blocking the signal so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► can't get back out the back because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/551">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► that's metal you need some sort of radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► transparent region on the case for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► signals come out and I think someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► else said that they thought the Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► stuff was in there so using it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► window for a wireless stuff I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► that's happened before on iOS devices it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► was in the apple logo on one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► iphones used for like or maybe was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► ipad i did they put wireless stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/571">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► behind the apple logo I didn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► I don't recall that but I bet you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► remember I know they had like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► 3g model always has the plastic stripe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► on the ipad and that's like oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► the non 3g one doesn't have that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► the question okay on the non 3g one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/589">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► where you don't have the big plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► stripe on the top where does the Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► come out of in the answer to that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► think was at some point in the past if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► it's not currently true the plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► apple logo so there you go so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► that's one of the reasons they keep that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► stuff in there it's just kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► well we got a place for the stuff again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/604">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► no reason they couldn't just get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► the chin and make a little stripe of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/607">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► plastic on the bottom edge that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► wouldn't see that would take care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► that for them uh one more from Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► stark we were talking about the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► where the iPad Mini is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/620">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► ignore your thumb when you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► holding it and supposed to know like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► he trying to use his thumb to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► device or just holding it there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► happen to go over the edge because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/628">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► border on the left and right side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► there a term for that that whole process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/632">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► what the process of ignoring it yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/633">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► phenomenon of you have your thumb on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► device and we are going to ignore it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► well there's a bunch of events in Cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► this is not from this piece of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► from other stuff that didn't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► to pull into the notes with attribution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► that there's a the event system for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► I kid has like a bunch of callback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► they are not thumb but I touches our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► stationary or touches is resting i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► getting these names wrong but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/665">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► bunch of events that are supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► signal that something is happening in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► way that doesn't necessarily indicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► input i don't remember the exact names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► but all of them are they're not names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/677">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► they're not ascribing a motivation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► the touch they're merely saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► this touch is stationary or this touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► has become stationary then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► decide what policy you want to do based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/692">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► on that I'm sure that's you know part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► the mechanism they're using but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► it's part of the public event system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► I don't know if there's some larger name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► for unintentional input but well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► brought up the thing on the laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/703">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► trackpad so ignore accidental trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► input yeah that used to have a checkbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► like on and off and you know you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► always want that to be off because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► put it on it would decide they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► start ignoring you and say oh looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► you're probably just typing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► against the trackpad I'm going to ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► that you and in reality what you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► is changed from typing to quickly move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► something move the cursor with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► thumb and then would ignore it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/727">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► was incredibly frustrating uh so Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/728">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► Stark tweeted to say that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► removed the GUI for that setting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► remember you were looking forward in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► show yeah you find it nope so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/737">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► tech note that i linked in the a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► techno did say i don't knowledgebase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► article from apple's website that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► linked in the show notes and it says are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► accidental trackpad input trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► option yes we were trying to look at if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► you're trying to locate it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► macbook macbook pro or macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/757">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► computer with a multi-touch trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► that preference is no longer there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► that functionality to ignore excel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► inputs is enabled automatically by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► default for these devices i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► reason that it no longer bothers us is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► because the old track pads that had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► option were not multi-touch i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► how many touch they sense maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/777">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► only sent two or whatever but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► weren't like the current glass trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► switch to probably do five points 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► points i don't even know how many points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/783">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► that multi-touch they do but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/784">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► like a dividing line between the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► quote-unquote non multi-touch trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► even though i think they can handle more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► than one touch and then the multi-touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/791">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► ones and it's much easier to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► what's intentional from unintentional if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► you can sense all the sort of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► that are touching where you know versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► a trackpad that can only sense one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► two points of touching and it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/803">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► decide which one of those is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/804">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► one so if you accidentally brushed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/805">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► against a non multi-touch trackpad with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► like five fingers the hardware is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► going to send like two of those to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► device and it's got to figure out what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► going on so it seems that once they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► to multi-touch now they have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► information from all the touches and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► much more sensitive touch interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► default so they can better determine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► probably bodes well for the the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► minis implementation of this if we hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► both of us didn't even notice that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► is now on by default on on laptop track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► pads and the multi-touch error right did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► you get before we get off that topic did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► you get your ipad mini yet I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► just said it was like on its way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► the distribution center blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► you've been tracking an effect right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► headquarters UPS store so it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► here at some point today it's not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► delivered yet they say by 3pm i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► them so i will have it sometime later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► today I'm sure all right it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/863">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► to arrive while record it will not test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► no even if it is delivered that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► here so no chance no chance all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► first sponsor good idea I mean why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► right Shopify calm hosted e-commerce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► solution allows you to set up and run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► your own online store in minutes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► say minutes i say moments you just pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/889">TS</a>]
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00:15:00 ◼ ► clicks it's easy to sell online there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► no software to download nothing to host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► nothing to upgrade nothing to maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/904">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► they do everything you can pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► over a hundred professionally designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► ecommerce templates or you just create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► your own make it look exactly the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► you want make it look exactly like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► own website you get full control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► the HTML and CSS there's no bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► limits you have to worry about scaling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/919">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► compliant totally secure all you need is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► something to sell special URL Shopify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/931">TS</a>]
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00:15:39 ◼ ► and check out what they have to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► look at their examples page look at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► you can build a lot of the sites that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► you're already using when you go and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► buy stuff there Shopify sites and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► have no idea because they look exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► like the site that you were you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► good example this is the book apart site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► that's all Shopify look how they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► handled it look how they've stopped it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/955">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► Shopify com such five by five you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► three months free instead of just our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► usual 30 days free go check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► support the show thanks very much for to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► them for making show possible all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/964">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► ready yeah before we get off the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► of the apple logo chin thing yes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Twitter like Michael ago Mike the goat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► he says they do it in a goat voice yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► I can't duck into a goat okay yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► is this piece of feedback was also sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► by a lot of people but he's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► bluetooth and Wi-Fi also the IR think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► maybe we forget that these things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► you know I are now that they don't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► with your remote anymore I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/994">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► think I stopped shipping that remote but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► at one point they shipped a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/997">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► cruddy plastic remote that's stuck to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► the side of the imac with a magnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► remember that yeah there's a that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► funny little little white plastic and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► had the little I'm an infrared remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► band across the top of it yeah chiku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► things but anyway the n ir receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► obviously has to be its line of sight so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► you can't just put the little strip on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► confidence that Apple could find a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► to hide the IR receiver like behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► black border of this screen or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► you know like it doesn't I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► it has to necessarily be Annapolis it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► not like they have to keep the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► logo just for the IR think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► plenty of other front-facing things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► example they have a front facing camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► on these things and they're pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► good at hiding that one doesn't that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► know our receivers don't have to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► size of the apple logo they can be those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► little tiny things all right I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► you talked about this on build and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► analyze this week someone in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► room just asked about it but this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► Disney purchase Lucasfilm and i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► people want to hear what I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► as it happens I beat marco to the punch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► on this and i did an hour-long episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► of being comparable it was episode 114 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► titled when you wish upon a star wars i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► will put that into the show notes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► already there a little oh no oh no yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► yeah so people who want to hear what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► have to say about the Star Wars stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► that episode is already sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► itunes for you just go over to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► incomparable fee but you all subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► to write and pull up when you wish upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► a star wars and you can hear all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► it ah and now I don't have to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► it in the show because I have lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► other things to discuss unless there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► any specific thing that you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► I don't know if you listen to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► something horrible but is there anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► specific that you're dying to know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► my take on the Lucas stuff there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► lots of things and I recommend this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► I recommend this episode of the show I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► intentionally because I wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► somewhat surprised for for you on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► responses and things on this show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► main question I think that folks have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► you we have talked which which episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► did we discuss George Lucas and what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► has done to Star Wars let me see if do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► you remember the episode number no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► never remember the episode numbers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► fact I was trying to find episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► numbers for like when we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Windows 8 and I had difficulty even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► finding madam I'm doing a bad job for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► Star Wars is not a blog post that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► likely the People vs George Lucas yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► that was probably is that the one okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► so this is episode number 45 of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► show let's see then there was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► one yeah that's it so I'll put that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure that's it i'll put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► in the show notes is first my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► question for you is is this a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► or a bad thing not because there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► that's a loaded question first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► you have George Lucas stepping back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► stepping away and other people coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► to do things with Star Wars first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► second of all the announcement that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► there will be new Star Wars movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► coming out every three or four days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► there'll be a new Star Wars movie made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► is that a good thing or a bad thing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► as I said I mean comparable I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► is a good thing completely a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► uh I always assumed that we'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► wait for George Lucas to die right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► before well we all hoped that wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► come to that but we answer that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► was the assumption that he would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► die before anyone would be able to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► fixing things because he was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► control freak about it when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► yadon but he was able he was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► give it up and that's good and it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► because it frees star wars from is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► control he had such strict control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► the the prequels and they were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► terrible being free of that control is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► great because it gives other people more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► talented people younger people hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► people a crack at the franchise so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► think I think it's a good thing it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► unadulterated versions of the movies be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► released all sorts of things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► know all the dissatisfaction that star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► wars fans have had with the franchise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► bringing the franchise elsewhere so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► give I give it a thumbs up and I'm happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► and optimistic about what will happen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► could very well be that some terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► things come out of that this terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► television program is more terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► movies but the fact that it's out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► control that one person means that lie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► so it so you make some bad ones give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► someone else a chance they can make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► good ones there's lots of things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► do with the star wars franchise and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► that things like the movies which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► like okay well you can make you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► expanded universe novels and video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► and stuff like that but George Lucas is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► the guy who says okay for the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► like those were you know now now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► not gated by one guy's whims like George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► Lucas didn't feel like doing Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► movie for a decade or two there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► Star Wars movies for decades that snot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► gonna happen anymore so I am optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► and I think it's a good thing I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► optimistic I think anything that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► this away from George Lucas's personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► thoughts and opinions and feelings is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► is a good thing I think the further away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► this is from George Lucas the better I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► grateful that he had the idea for Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1318">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► Wars and then he was able to execute the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► back in to some degree that third one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► well and good let's get it away from him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► and let's anything that I I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► anything that'll be worse than I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► what I think you can make things worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► as I said at the end of the maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► just more optimistic as I said at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► definitely see movies being worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► the prequels but nothing that they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► with the star wars franchise will feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► worse than the prequels felt because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► know it's not you know the and absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► quality yeah you can make worst movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► and that no lots of ways but nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► will feel that bad because we waited so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► long and just it was inconceivable these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► movies could be anything other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► awesome and they were terrible and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► was just the biggest letdown ever now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► we're all we all bear those emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► scars and have severed our relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► with the franchise in some fashion in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► order to move on with their lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► now now we're free to enjoy the fruits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► of other people's Labor's in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► universe without the expectations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► anticipation that accompanied the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► prequels mm-hmm all right uh oh yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► wasn't the incomparable you won't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► more about that I would have probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► didn't hit a dollar show to it if we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► not had that in copper but we did but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► do you feel people should just go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► listen that if they if they want in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► get leave Z room to stretch out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► episode that's right because I grab lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► of other things to discuss here so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► this next bit is follow-up but kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► also the half topic for this show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► that is more about apples fusion drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► stuff we talked about last week mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► just speculation because all we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► go on was vague sort of slides in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► presentation and a couple of fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► Tamannaah post uh but no nitty-gritty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► technical details about the thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► last week my guesses were that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► implemented with course storage ah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► mentioned on the show like Korra storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► has been around since the lion and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► could as of even lion just make two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► disks and join them together into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► single volume and I mentioned I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► for my lion review but it wasn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► working i was using disk images and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► was really buggy and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I that capability has been there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► man page for you know disk your till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► since 10-7 as I said you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► today you know just far as I presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► understand how that would how to square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► that all with course start with uh with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► fusion drive because fusion drive was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► always described in terms of like oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► these applications we use them alot will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► end up on the SSD but this stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► know they talk about applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► files but course storage works at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► block level it's not at the file level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► so I didn't understand in Mike well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► course towards just an umbrella term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► something new that shuttles files back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and forth and works at the file level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► and even though it's called core storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► it's not the same as the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► block based logical volume manager thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► that they use her foul ball to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► we just didn't know because it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► enough technical details released well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► since last week someone named Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► Stein or jolly jinx on Twitter put up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► series of posts on his tumblr where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► did just want to describe last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► which is all right let me just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► course storage disk utility to disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► together into a single volume only what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► he did was he took out my two discs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► selling a drawing one is going to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► SSD and one is it gonna be spinning disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► so I'm making my own fusion drive now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► the underlying assumption for all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► posts is that what he's doing here with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► disk utility core storage is what fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► drive is uh and unless he has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► information that I don't or rather I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► didn't really before during this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► he's just assuming they're like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► well course storage is a fusion drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► gotta be done with course storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► many that was my assumption as well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► confirmed from Apple but that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► mean anything because like I said core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► storage could be an umbrella term and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► and so forth and the reason I was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► skeptical of this being what Fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► everything they described about fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► drive was like oh it moves your files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► applications or someplace else it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► talked about like you know blocked base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► wear something you know just the disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► blocks that you read or on half on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► block-based doesn't mean file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► blocks like 4k blocks and doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► disk blocks like you know sectors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► blocks it means the units of storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► that are managed by cora storages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► logical volume manager and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► nothing to do with file boundaries right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► there just implementing it a block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► storage device and the file system goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► on top of that but those the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► storage blocks it's shuffling around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► have no idea what files they belong to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► like you know they could span files and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► stuff like that that's that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► there just presenting a block device so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► that didn't seem to square at all with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► applications around and it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► didn't square with the idea that as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► lying you could make a volume at of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► other things and put stuff on it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► Korra storage does the thing where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► move stuff from one to the other like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► reshuffle stuff based on usage in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► well surely course storage doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► that like why would it be moving stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► back and forth but the thing is as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► lime when I was playing with this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► there's a couple possibilities one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► that back then all core storage did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► together into a single volume and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► some you know some data and one some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► date on the other but it didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► move stuff around based on usage that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► one possibility the other possibility is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► that it did move stuff based around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► based on your usage and I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► noticed because who would have think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► thought to look for that because like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► logical volume manager like that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► a selling point it wasn't in the man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► page four different ill course storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► like maybe it was moving stuff and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► didn't even know right uh so in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► experiment that the Patrick did is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► did that he's got the little command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► lines up here but if you do man disk you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► till you can look at the core storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► section now disk utility s create you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► know a logical volume group and he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► it out of two disks an SSD in a spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► disk and then he creates a volume on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► that new you know he's now created what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► looks like a single disk but has really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► made up of two physicalist and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► creates a volume on and they just says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► make a volume make a journaled hfs+ make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► it 500 gigs and this is okay fine now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► you've got a volume and underneath it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► are two physical things now the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► determine okay is this what fusion disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► is so he's using DD and observation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► data transfer speeds to say okay I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► going to write enough data where I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► this couldn't possibly all fit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► SSD so he write some more you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► than enough data and it's now it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► be spilling over into the hard drive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► he does a series of experiments with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► megabytes a second it reads he's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► that's coming from the SSD but if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► gets a lower read rate he's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► that's coming from the hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► because they really are vastly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► rates and he has tried to experimentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► prove to himself by eliminating things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► like disk caching and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► but unmounting the drive to clear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► disk cache that something you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► determined okay these files are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► SSD and these files are on on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► spinning disk and then he would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► after he stopped doing his activity the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► disk activity would still be going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► behind the scenes because like Quora [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► storage and his estimation was moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► subsequent tests and say oh now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► not that I was accessing that was slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► before you know something behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► physical volume and now when I read from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► those exact same things it's fast ah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► he's sort of experimentally determining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► that plain old core storage that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► just make a logical volume out of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► physical volumes it's moving stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► around based on your activity so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► that was an important point to saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► that this is what this is what fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► drive is uh the next bit was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► question of okay well you know is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► block based or file based because again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► all the descriptions you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► marketing descriptions are like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► about files and applications but core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► management is working with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► blocks that did don't have that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► the same thing they don't respect file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► boundaries right because you're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► a file system on top of this block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► storage this virtual block storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► device right so then he was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► say okay I won't read or write entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► files I'll read and write just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► first megabyte of a big file and he saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► the like just reading writing that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► megabyte would cause just that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► megabyte to go on to the SSD like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► know course towards remove them over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► there so their support for the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► this arrangement of volumes and course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► storage moves data and doesn't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► entire files it just moves blocks which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► makes perfect sense in terms of the wake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► or storage works and the final thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► they tribe was like okay can I make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► logical volume group out of to a logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► volume out of two physical volumes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► formatted as something other than H of S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► Plus so he formatted a ZFS like he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► this logic volume looks like just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► unusual eyes hard disk is really made up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► of two hardest behind the scenes and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► create blah blah and he's got ZFS on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► of it which again makes sense if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► has nothing to do with files what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► shouldn't care what file system on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► it was just was just working with blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► and again he did his tests and saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► after he stopped messing with the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► system I owed activity continued he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► it always kept going for like 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► were copy stuff and he didn't know if 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► minutes was like a fixed limit I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► it's just because that's how long it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► took to move the amount of data he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► fiddled with and then he did a read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► after that and like all of a sudden the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► data he'd been reading before is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► coming back much faster because him it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► been moved to the SSD so he's using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► as evidence that core storage is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► know works at the block level just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► full disk encryption uh and has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► to do with the file system its file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► system diagnostic and that what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► doing in his experiment here again he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► doing this not unlike a fancy new iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► and not on one of the new mac man he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► just on a random mac that happens to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► running 10 8 2 i'm assuming right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► everyone else who passed these stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► around assumed as well as I hey cor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► storage on your Mac you can do coerced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► or not core storage fusion drive on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► Mac you can do fusion drive on any Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► you'll be fine you can put external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► drives until you can do anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► want the underlying assumption that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► is how fusion drive works well in late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► breaking news which Mark who could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► possibly have had what do you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► that Lee hutchinson of ours who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► written a couple of articles in fusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► drive and who has one of the new mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► minis with the fusion drive option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► moments before the show began pulled out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► his mac mini with Fusion Drive and ran a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► couple of commands for me and got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► output of it so when he just runs disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► you to list what it shows is dev disk 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► disk 1 and just to disk 0 has a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► bunch of different sections that's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► the g yd partitioner map efi and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► it's got apple core storage and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► boot OS 10 disc 1 is 1 terabyte volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► it's got the g yd partition thing efi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► core storage and the recovery hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► and dev disc 2 is the macintosh HD and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► it is a 1 point 1 terabyte disk and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► one point 1 terabyte disk you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► physical storage that's installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► spinning disk and a 128 gig SSD so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► could there ever be a volume that's 1.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► terabytes well that's your fusion drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► dev just two is the fusion drive made up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► with loathing so you see you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► still got the recovery a hard disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► partition I'm assuming that's carved out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► of the spinning disk and it's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► little you know boot OS 10 partition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► thing for going in recovery mode when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► does info on disk 0 which was the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► one that just has the Apple boot thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► it says no file system on it at all is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► that it's an apple the device is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► Apple SSD it's got a new volume name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► no file system on it all when it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► on disk one which was the one terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► spinning disk thing you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► apple HD blah blah blah no file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► on it at all not mounted when he runs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► on just to dev just to says though this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► is Mac another HD it's jerald hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► volume and it's you know at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► one terabytes in size this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► logical volume that's been created out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► of those two physical things so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► answer the question we had last week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► what would happen if you pulled out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► SSD or pulled out the other thing and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► just put one of the things in the output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► of disk you till here on this actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► fusion drive Mack says those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► which show up is having no file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► whatsoever like you would say this disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► assuming it would say that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► doesn't even have a file system on it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► far as the computer is concerned it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► looks like you know random garbage only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► Deb disc 2 which is the logical I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► shows up as an actual volume with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► size that couldn't possibly exist on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► single disc with that's you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► what we thought so when he does discute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► LCS lists and lists the output of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► core storage out but shows one logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► volume group with two physical volumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► got the you know the SSD on the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► disk one logical volume family and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► of that has made one logical volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► called Macintosh HD that's you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► ends up being disk too ah and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► exactly matches the output of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► that Oh Patrick Stein was doing he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► his output of his logical volume groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► in the physical volume stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► it looks like this so this is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► conclusive evidence that what Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► was doing is what fusion drive is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► you know unless I mean the only thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► don't know is how did Apple create this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► core storage volume is there some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► special flag that they added to say i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► make this fusion drive thing it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► like there probably isn't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► Patrick didn't use any special flag that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► says you know join these two discs into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► a single logical volume oh and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► way do that thing where you watch how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► much I use them in shuffle data around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► like it seems like that happens no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► matter what so this is some finally some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► actual concrete technical information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► about how this stuff works I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► discourage people from immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► following it firing up the terminal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► running man to scoop tail and figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► how to do this themselves unless you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► doing on like a scratch Mac with disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► you don't care about because it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► easy to accidentally hose yourself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► using tools like this none of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► being done by the GUI this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► command line stuff you have to know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► know device numbers and it's very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► to get confused about what Deb disk 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and disk 1 are and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► just end up hosing yourself so i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► not recommend that you run out and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► this the one question that i had for lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► that he wasn't able to check it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► command-line utility a Drake did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► make yourself your own fusion drive add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► a couple of specialist two questions one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► is can you make a few here I've out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► like seven discs and I see no reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► you couldn't because the whole point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► course storage is you could just add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► physical volumes on there it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► just have to be to right and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► question is say you make your own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► fusion drive can you boot from is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► anything special you have to do to boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► from it so say I had my mac pro here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► I took two hard drives to let's say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► external hard drives and I joined them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► into a fusion drive and I installed OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► 10 on it can I boot from basically boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► from to external hard drives and same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► question for internal what if i use to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► internal drives in a game though can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► boot from that obviously the mac mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► can boot from it but there may be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► weird procedure be like we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► it's booting off like the recovery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► partition and the curry partition is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► looking at nvram or some other setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and seeing okay well I'm really supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► to boot from this other one and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► switches over like what is the bootstrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► procedure when all the attached disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► appear to have no file systems on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► like it's all it's all happening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► software so that's still an unanswered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► question but I think that's the surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► this week is that you know good old core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► they're all along or at least as of ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► 82 is doing this magical file moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► stuff and nobody knew it and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► before those imacs were announced you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► could have in theory made your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► fusion drive and got these interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► performance characteristics out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► before I believe in announce this may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► the first time that Apple is shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► something as a headlining feature in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► keynote it was really on all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► discs oh no while we're watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► creepy huh yeah i'm i'm not about to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► and try to experiment this myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► because I do have four internal hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► drives and one external on this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and then a couple of spare mechanisms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► hanging around as well with no ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► put them ah but they're all filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► stuff so I don't really have time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► play so I would still recommend for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► everyone who doesn't have a spare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► machine spare drives to mess around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► only use Fusion Drive in its supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► configuration on the machines that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► they supported in the ways that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► supported Haitian your nerd you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► you want to play around then i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► fire up the terminal and type man space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► disk you till all onward and scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► until you see the section about course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► storage and go to town and good luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► good night and good luck yes skj Haley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► says in Shiro what could possibly go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► wrong Yeah right what me worry you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► look possibly go wrong as you will wipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► your entire disk oops yeah be careful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► guys that will never happen alright get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► another sponsor I have two more I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► do lynda.com now they are an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► learning company with more than 77,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► video tutorials they teach you things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► like how to program they teach you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► things like how to design they teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► tons and tons of things that you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► maybe weren't teachable but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► photography business audio video 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► animation you name it they're adding new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► courses every week the training like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► library and like Gary keeps pace with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► today's fast-changing technical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► software skills you name it they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► a course on it i love screencasting I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► done screencasting and I've learned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► lot from screencasting they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► membership this is how it works you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► 25 bucks per month you get unlimited 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► to all of their video courses and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► things are taught by expert instructors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► they're taught by people who know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► they're doing real world experts come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► and they bust out of course go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► linda.com and spelled ly NDA Linda calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► / 5 by 5 you get a free 7 day trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► where you get access to tons and tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► and tons of stuff and you support the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► show Linda calm / 5 by 5 it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► way to learn and they do really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► great work go check him out Linda that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► it that's all spot yeah I had some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► technical details Fusion Drive that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► in my head and now it it has departed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► oh yeah I guess there's despite all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► circumstantial to me in particular like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► this this sort of trying to observe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► course storage moving data from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► place to the other and experimentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► activity is going on with the mechanisms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► even when you're not doing any like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► that's ninety-nine point nine percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► sure but I would still really love a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► real technical document or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► like straight from Apple's mouth like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► this is how it works this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► happens this is the underlying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► implementation details of it instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► having us to do all this guesswork stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► I would still prefer that so but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► seems to me that all this is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► right track and this is how it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and this much much less confusing now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► less confusing than their explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► now now that it's like you know so its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► core storage but you keep talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► files and apps makes no sense now makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► so much more sense and and in hindsight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► it makes sense that Apple said it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► Apple's not going to talk about managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► blocks of storage they're going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► files and applications because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► what people care about it they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► really care that it could be that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► the first megabyte of that application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► is on the SSD because only the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► megabyte of it is the thing that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► gets rich or something like that yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► does it say in the chat room yes wdc you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► next year presumably they'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► this if only to brag because really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► probably has very few practical and blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► implications for people writing software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► for OS 10 but they do tend to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► know look at this cool thing that we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► everybody and they'll talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► there maybe there's like one or two new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► API is about how to handle Fusion Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► things and I use an excuse to have 17 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► slides about the implementation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► I will enjoy that at least least I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► they do all right so my main topic for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► today oh is 41 minutes in can you guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► George Lucas and the now we already did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► that ipad mini I would have interrogated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► you about drive that many if you had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► but you don't it's still on the vehicle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► for delivery you failed me for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► time I'm pollen job but no today I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► gonna talk about the Apple executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► reshuffle forestall is out yes i have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► ian sure been the title of their press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► release yes so the actual title of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► press release was apple announces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► changes to increase collaboration across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► hardware software and services and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► do this weird thing where there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► ampersand between software and services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► so i'm assuming software ampersand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► services is a single thing that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► euphemistic business doublespeak because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► you know whenever a company announces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► something that happened to them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► they didn't really plan for or that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► like could be interpreted as bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► headline yeah I mean yeah like they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► it's not like they trying to hide it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► their spin doctoring it as you would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► yeah at least in the title like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► not gonna say we've just fired a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► important executive who's done you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► like that that's that's the headline the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► wheel get from like you said forestall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► out that could have been the two word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► title of this thing and in fact was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► the the URL of Gruber space with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► reference and a little bit for stall out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► like that is the headline piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► amanda berry they bury the headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► collaboration and people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► take the responsibilities and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► we fired this dude right and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► buried that in there right so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► was like in the first paragraph but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► it was like apple also announced like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► addition to what we just told you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► these people get new responsibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► apple also announced the Scott fallstowe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► will be leaving next year and will serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► as adviser to CEO Tim Cook's nicely they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► could do it in november so they can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► next year so it seems like i'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► leaving but all the notes that's a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► leaving next year I guess he could leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► anytime next year but it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► people keep saying oh well Scott far so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► we'll be there for another year now no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► talking there talk in January one or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► stroke of midnight on January fun right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and and that's the interesting like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► you reach a certain pay grade when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► you're working for the man or what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► here what is your expression corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► decision that's you you're the you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► corporate stooge I am my total am uh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► when you reach a certain level in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► American corporations they'll they bend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► over backwards to preserve the or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► you are an important good person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► should not be publicly insulted or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► whatever right so if you're just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► regular rank-and-file employee uh they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► lay you off because the factory's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► closing or something and you just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► laid off and all the stories about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► like these people got laid off if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► are a rank-and-file employee and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► fired because people don't like you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► like fired with cause or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► that you got fine you got yeah you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► fired like there's never any press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► releases associated but there was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► if someone calls and say what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► to blah blah blah like something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► could try to apply for next job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► someone calls up your old company so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► yeah we fired him because you know uh he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► was sexually harassing people or he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► always he stole out of the register oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► yeah he's still out of the register or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► he never showed up on time or like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► say that they fired you but if once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► pass some certain threshold nobody will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► ever say that they fired you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► they'll have a press release about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► they won't say we're firing Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► Forstall they'll just never say it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► you know but everybody knows because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► you were leaving on good terms the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► release looks very different like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► very sad to see like the Burt Ron so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► late when he left he's done such great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► things for us and we're sad to see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► go and he's leaving and it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► clear that he's he's leaving of his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► accord he's not being fired and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► a middle ground more like you're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► being forced out or encouraged to retire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► whatever but this one reads like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► what happened this is what a firing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► looks like here when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► multi-millionaire this is how you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► fired they never say you're fired like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► cuz they just don't want to don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► to hurt your feelings I'm and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► that's not necessarily a bad thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► not like I'm saying he should say he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► fired just like they do for the peons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► think if anything the river should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► peons should get the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► respect and kind of like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► don't have to be so rude about it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► because they're an underling and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► multi-millionaires and aren't powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► treatment that's I'm not I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► it's unfair that it's got forestalls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► firing is spoken about euphemistically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► think they should they should do this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► everybody unless of course you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► something horrible like set fire to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► building or you know whatever then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► can be more honest but I you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► this announcement it appears that Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► Forstall was fired like he did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► willingly go and the changes are Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► direction and direction for human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► interface across the company in addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► to his role as leader industrial design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Eddy Cue is taking over Syrian maps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► addition to all the other stuff that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► bookstore and iCloud federighi who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► in chart Craig federighi was in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► of OS 10 is now also in charge of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► which was forced all sold job at Bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► Mansfield who had previously retired but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► then came back is now going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► charge of the heat coming out before all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► of this right yes he left before and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► came back before it but now he is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► assigned this new responsibility for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► technology group how much before had he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► come back do you recall was it a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► months or what I have a timeline later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► in the night I apologize so we will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► to it yes I know you can't see my nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► uh yeah and and additionally I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► this is I think this is in the order it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► wasn't in the end of thing additionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► oh and by the way before we get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► this spreadsheet John Brown is out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► leaving Apple that's what they say again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► fired right he he's not leaving apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► his own accord he didn't retire he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► hasn't you know oh it's been a great run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► here for the past seven years at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► but now I'm ready to try new things now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► he was there for like six months now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► he's out and a search for a new head of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► retails underway he was the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► responsible for the Apple stores and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► they're looking for new replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► alright so that's the summary of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► news and now I want to dive into it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► more detail where we'll get to all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► dates and names and stuff like that ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► but as we said before the gist of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► like on the web you know where they cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► through all the BS and say there's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► press release a bunch of things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► headline the lead of this story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► forced all-out forestalls gone right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► and he's been fired and we all see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► that's you know that's clearly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► happened and all the stories have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► about what happened that this guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► been with Apple for so long and been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► charge of such important things how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► he get fire what did he do what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► cause for firing naps and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► yes they're not if the nut if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► not even gonna say he was fired they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► not gonna list in the press release what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► he did if John for still goes to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► another job somewhere that that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► won't be able to call apple and say why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► should you guys fire him was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► can you tell they're never gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► that certainly not gonna say it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► press release but all the stories have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► been about that and we've all read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► stories maps you brought that up uh Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► skeuomorphic design yeah uh and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► the big one I see us at the undercurrent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► of everything is like personality stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► of like he was mean he didn't get along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► with people he took credit for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► that you know that there weren't his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► like all sorts of interpersonal stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► about how you know like personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► issues not some like in other words the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► ID since that Kurt runs underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► everything it's like well yeah he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► problems with all these things and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► have been some issues with with products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► but you know the real reason is cuz like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► there was some sort of personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► conflict and people didn't like him or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► whatever um and what I have to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► all all that the entire idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► there's it's you can't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► Forrestal leaving Apple with any actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► knowledge or authority because basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► nobody actually knows what happened I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► know all these stores in New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► and Wall Street Journal have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► sources close to or app people involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► there up employees and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► uh but i think it's and then like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► these articles will say we talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► sources close to her and they said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► this person couldn't be in the same room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► with that person and they had sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► personality conflicts and blah blah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► then the rest of the article proceeds as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► confident assertions well we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► source or two sources and they say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► and therefore and then the whole rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► the article uses those assertions as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► premises given this information that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► we've already told you from these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► sources which you will now serve as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► hundred percent true now let's discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► what that means right and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► that's a useful way to reason about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► because I don't think you could have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► confidence in in the assertions of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► sources about why he was fired as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► Shipley was saying on Twitter the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► day uh he he was fired from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► forced out of or whatever because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► he was at that level where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► stay fired but he himself said fire from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► Omni group the famous next and then Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► os10 software group that he co-founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► uh and he said I don't know why I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► fired found a group all he knows is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► side of the story even if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► ask scott forstall why do you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► were fired you're still not gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► the whole story there because no single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► person probably it's certainly no single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► person who's not like tim cook or scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► first well maybe you got both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► combined you could figure it out uh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► like as they say history is written by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► the winners and that's definitely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► releases and corporate politics uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► know it when you see stories leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► intentionally leaked or not about oh he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► had personality conflicts or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► those are the people who want and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► got Forrestal to be gone and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► gonna sell their side of the story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► not necessarily the objective truth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► course they're gonna say bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► about him because they wanted him to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► but who's to say they're right in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► conflict we don't have any visibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► into the internal stupid personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► political situation inside Apple and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► just can't go by the things you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► from people inside Apple because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► likely you are hearing from the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► who wanted him to go he doesn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► fair shot in that he he doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► say in the corporate communication about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► it he doesn't get to influence who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► going to be in all these stories so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► think it's completely unfair to Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► Forstall to assume that all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► stories about his personality are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► true and in any way really like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► it's just it's a complete and balanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► and a complete communication failure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► again i would say who got forced forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► all in person to be on this show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► interview him his side of it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► necessarily true it's somewhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► middle there right so I'm not interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► thinking about or dwelling on why it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► that he was forced out of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► but I think there are lots of things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► can talk about about this change without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► necessarily I mean we can look at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► know possible things that could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► contributed to basically I'm resigned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► never knowing and really don't care that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► much about what is it that made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► they brought this over the edge what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► made it go from some sort of internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► problem to the solutions this problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► to get rid of force though does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► does that make sense yes and I'm I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► know like I tried to put myself in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► shoes of one of these multi-millionaire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► executives he's mean just jump right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► into that you can get into that yeah cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► I wouldn't want like if you were Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► for the forest all the press has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► been fair to him I feel like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► autobiography come combined with like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► apple tell-all history like 10 years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► we'll start to get a picture of but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► you're not gonna so it's not useful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► uh to think about that so let me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► reshuffling without trying to care so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► much about personalities and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► that ok let's look at let's look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► the Tim Cook era of Apple such as it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► so far so when Tim Cook took over a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► is Apple and this was before Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► died because he he sort of handed over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► the reins as he left the company Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► was on a hell of a winning streak at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► that point and so cooks job first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► foremost was to keep a good thing going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► right I and that's what everybody said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► when the transfer of power happened it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► like they broke don't fix it oh okies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► here you know don't mess anything up man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► gangbusters everything everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► had like you know just everything Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► Jobs had done in his past you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► last few projects would have been just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► all all thumbs up everyone was loving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► great things were happening uh and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► the reassuring statements either about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► Apple or from Apple we're like don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► worry Tim's gonna do just what Steve was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► doing like yeah you know he's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► his own man someone so forth but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► not gonna screw up at stuff that Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► day because we understand like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► don't be afraid he's not gonna suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► decide that Apple's gonna go into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► know the health food business uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► this is despite the fact that Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► himself insisted that cook should make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► his own decisions about Apple like I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► technical articles course when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► saying you know don't don't ask it jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► who say don't ask yourself what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► you just do what it is right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► everyone else in the world is like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► ignore was steve said do what he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► do just do it he would do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► everything he did was awesome and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► just got to keep doing that at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► the short term so it's like all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► out here on the outside totally wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Tim Cook to just be uh to be like I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► proxy Steve Jobs like make make us feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► like Steve Jobs it isn't really gone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► then when he died same thing like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► disregard everything do what Steven dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► except that part where he told you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► to do what he would do do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► except that um and that's what he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► you know that's what we all wanted on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► the outside like no customers investors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► everybody who is wanted that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► just don't screw this up man because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► it's been so awesome right and so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► that means is that cook didn't come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► on his first day CEO like clean house at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► the executive level you didn't go okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► now I'm the new boss in charge steve is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► out and I'm making some changes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► gonna redecorate I'm gonna change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► everything here he did not do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► that is very common for like when a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► CEO comes into a company look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► the other tech companies which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► incredibly dysfunctional and terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► but like you know get every every new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► CEO that's come into HP and further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► executives they come in and say things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► are gonna change around this place like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► that's how you assert yourself as a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► you know a marissa or that may or am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► er I know your browser name i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► mmm meyer the one going to yahoo she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► you know she's not gonna go in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► go i'm just gonna continue what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► previous guy did because usually when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► you CEO is changing its like that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► guys screwed things up you got to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► you make some big changes right away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► cook did not do that right what he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► was inherited the exact same team that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► he had been on that he had been a member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► of all those members of the top level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► executive staff were still there except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► they took the guy in the middle of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► diagram the guy I'm unquestionably in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► charge of everybody and removed him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► team dynamics changed when the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► members change and especially if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► change is we took out the guy who was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► the center of this diagram and who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► in charge now the team dynamics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► definitely going to change but the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► dynamics machines but he kept the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► team because that was part of his thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► is like he decided you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► gonna rock the boat I'm gonna come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► everything I'm just gonna go with what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► have but he didn't he couldn't possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► continue what they were doing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► such a big chart of it had changed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► seemed that some kind of reshuffling was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► inevitable and he didn't do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► other than you know Ron Johnson leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► to go to jcpenney and being replaced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► I remember that happened before after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► came but like that's not his doing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► that Ron Johnson decided to leave and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► we had to replace him and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► that so he did eventually have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► decisions like that uh just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► know being forced to to sort of taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Crowes like okay Tim you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► coast on the projects that were in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► pipeline jobs there keep the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► executive team the exact same project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► just go at some point you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► to start doing stuff uh and that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► you know and we couldn't judged him cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► by what he did when he came in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► cleaned house because he didn't uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► one of the first things that he did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► I think this was him I gotta look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► there's a January 31st 2012 I believe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► guess that was the others after Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► gone right because he died in October [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► 2011 right right yeah so one of cooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► first major decisions was I got to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that guy to replace Ron Johnson and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► picked John Browett who ran Dixon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► which was apparently a UK chain I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► link in the show notes to this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► on our stock to go does dixons retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► CEO John brow decide to take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► rappers former retail chief blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► and that wasn't that higher was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► looked upon particularly finally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► right off the bat because it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► this is nearest act ago story says he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► may be a poor choice to succeed apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► former senior vice president ron johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► if customer service clean stores and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► great products are still priorities of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► the companies and it's because Dixon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► the chain that he had previously you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► know the food previous being charged up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► apparently in the UK and people who knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Dixon's and new brauch said this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► the opposite of what I think of when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► think of the apple store and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► guy you hired to be in charge with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► store now when these stories were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► out uh I didn't lend much credence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► them again because lots of people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► just look at all the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► currently on the executive staff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Apple the people who have done great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► jobs they may have been associated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► crappy company or easier and in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► of crappy companies in the past but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► was like well Apple gives you a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► to do things differently like the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► are different an apple you have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► freedom you actually have a good product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► it's not like a bargain-basement a thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► margin retail business like things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► be different you know I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► who ron jons come from compact or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► something like whatever Ron Johnson did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► before the apple store probably did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► succeed to level the apple store is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► if you saw Ron Johnson he's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► help you look what he's done in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► just been all bunch of crappy retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► stores he's never gonna you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► are different inside apples was it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► right I'm given this John Brown guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► chance let's just because his previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► chain of stores was the anti apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► uh maybe the reason he wants to bail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► he's like I'm tired of this dog-eat-dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► world and I want to do something better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► but his start was not auspicious in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► August so he's you know hired in January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► in August they had this big blowup where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► one of the first policies that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► implemented was to lower the staffing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► levels to try to reduce the overhead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► the store because like all you got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► these employees and if we can reduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► headcount you can get more a profit out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► of this some of the Chairman saying Ron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► Johnson was uh was hired based on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► success at target but I would still say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► target looks very different than an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► apple store she's gonna do retail apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► retail so I was gonna be like target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► yeah that's better than kmart but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► barely yeah anyway very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► environment Apple so when Brout came and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► you know it seemed like a bean counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► kind of thing to do we can make more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► profit from these stores that we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► reduce our headcount I think we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► still support the customs into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► headcount and that decision was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► popular among employees wearing anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► among anybody media you me anyone yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► because the employees were like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► cutting my hours or you're laying me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► worse right and the customers are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► every time I go into the apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► it's hard enough for me to find someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► to help me and now you're gonna reduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► that thing I think this was well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► know it's like August is not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► before the holiday season but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► of right before the holiday season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► and these changes supposedly because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► he also implemented a twenty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► percent pay raise and to support the pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► raise you know perry's i'm sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► Apple employees loved you know we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► you know pipe pillows guys there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► great but it's all to pay for that pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► raise I have to lay off a bunch of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► right and this was not popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► people were angry about it an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► reversed it so this story from August [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► sixteenth is new apple retail chief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► makes quote mistake and firing staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► comma hires them back right and Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► reversing changes to the formerly used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► to calculate staffing levels in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► retail stores an experiment using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► new formula it apparently led to wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► ranging layoffs and cuts and assign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► hours however Apple's new retail chief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► John brow to the company quote messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► implementing the changes in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► place right so here is your new hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► whose first major visible initiative is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► wildly unpopular and immediately reverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► and then you then it's like I imagined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► him having to go like someone chastising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► him and now he has to make like a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► apology of saying that thing I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► wanted to do that was a mistake and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► here's apple spokesperson Kristen huget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► saying making these changes was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► mistake and the changes are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► reversed our employees are our most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► important asset and blah blah blah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► know when a spokesperson has got to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► out and say that thing that we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► hired that he did were totally reversing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and we're just immediately publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► admitting this is a mistake even it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► not like you know they people dog piled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► an apple and force them to admit it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► a mistake they caught this one pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► quickly so it's almost like John browz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► off in his corner office doing his stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► and Tim Cook it's windows and he says he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► pressuring John brow to say why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► these store is more profitable you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► to make them more profitable and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► you know he was just acting doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► he thought Tim Cook wanted to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► then it ended up being a PR situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► again we don't know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3838">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► inside the company but bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► suspicious about his first major move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► immediately reversed these are not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► things and and this is like Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► first major move at the corporate level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► in terms of the executives so not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► I'm not looking good for Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► track record so far this is a comment on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► one of those stories from the cosh th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► says as a former apple store specialist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► I can't even imagine a word coming down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► that they were going to cut the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► of people working our biggest complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► were always long lines of I waited 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► minutes for someone to help me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► complaints that they get from people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► the apple store it's not that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► you weren't helpful or your stores were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► ugly and dirty or I couldn't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► anything it's that I couldn't get helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► so again cutting employees doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► like a good idea lots of I've seen lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► of stories and both sides this both that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► John Brown did this on his own it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► reversed and also that this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► that institutional bean counter Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► always wanted to do and Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► the one stopping him from applying his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► bean-counting tendencies the stores say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► no we can't you know don't treat it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► like a profit Center even though they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► make tons of money don't try to squeeze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► every ounce out of it it's not it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► important for us to preserve the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► of our brand that it is to get every red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► cent out of these stores so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► what's going on internally but clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► it was some sort of conflict and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► didn't work out uh there are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► stories about this even after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► reversal bits like now John bribe route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► has been has been painted with the bean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► counter brush and this another story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► link in the show notes from August [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► shifting from customer experience to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► profit machine so even though they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► reversed all the things you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► wasn't this was an op-ed the idea was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► that now Brown see see I told you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► this guy all he wants to do is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► turn it into a crappy store that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► makes every amount of money can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► extended warranties in the undercoating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► and the two-hundred-dollar monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► cables and it's just gonna be best buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► in like a month all right and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► evidence of like look this is just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► this guy wants to do and so now he's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► now this executive be hired this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► change he'd made to the executive lineup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► Tim Cook's guy who he brought in all our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► worst fears turned out to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► apparently as far as we can tell from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► the outside and he's out fired and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► you're gonna say why was he fired well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► what has he done in his six months there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► uh one thing that turned out terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► and he had to immediately reverse so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► he's gone now Mansfield here's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► thing that happened surrounding Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Cook's time and her when did Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► take over i forget i have mansfield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► dates here but not in books but night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► uh Mansell retired in June and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► came back in August so right away that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► weird he retires they give the nice l [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► Bob Mansfield's retiring he wants to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► on to do other things obviously not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► fired he's retiring you know young but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► you know again multi millionaires from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► retirement sure uh and then he's back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► August uh and and that's that's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► because do we stitch is further ado we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► see this with other corporations have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► you done a cross-check have you done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► comparison with other companies to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► if they have this kind of shuffling as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► much I mean usually with another company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► like somebody leaves they're gone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► don't they don't get to come back well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► if they leave that their own accord like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► I bet this happens all the time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► companies is just that every company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► isn't watched like uh like Apple is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► mean maybe at the very highest level to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► think of the very highest levels of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► Microsoft or IBM or whatever companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► that are similarly watch or Google hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► the traditional thing is like once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► get to a certain level in a corporation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► you're nothing matters anymore like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► performance your personality is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► much nothing you can do to ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► determines hiring and firing and to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► them at level in the corporation you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► must have learned how to do internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► corporate politics to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► supporters and your own little fiefdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► that you built for yourself and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► that's that's all the corporate malaise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► that happens and that's why you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► see stories like this but in good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► companies that are more competitive at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► the top levels occasionally you do see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► defections like Marissa Meyer or mayor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► or the stuff we see at Apple ah but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► retirement is usually like well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► I never thought I'd be rich now I am and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► I've been working really hard for a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► of years and I want to go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► another example at I get to a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► later is aa bhi toh maine Ian who came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► from next and was in charge of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► software and stuff and he retired and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► just you know the same thing as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► looked exactly like Mansfield I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► really hard for a lot of years I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► rewarded for that work because Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► multimillionaire now I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► something else that's totally what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► Mansfield look like but when he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► back and August what that really means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► is that it wasn't like a V where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► would legitimately wanted to do other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► things he had some other reasons for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► leaving and was able to be lured back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► right right and you know at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► were like that's weird what what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► you it was it just because he felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► I wasn't getting paid enough like was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4138">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► that that none of this speaks well to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Tim Cook uh it to his management because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► if you have someone who is uh says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► they're retiring but they really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► want to be paid more or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► should address that before they retire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► and it like and I have to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► that's that's crazy anyway like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► like an actor where you're like oh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► star of this of this movie is getting 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► million but i'm only getting five we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► like the seinfeld thing where they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► wanted more money and jerry seinfeld was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► getting more than the other stars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► Starbase things but i feel like all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► these guys executives were being paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► very well had tons of stock options it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► wasn't a money issue and so then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► left to wonder if it's just some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► personality conflict and how do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► the guy to come back what have you done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► to change things and it seemed like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► did nothing he leaves and rooney comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► back in August I'm like well nothing has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► changed between june and august that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► can imagine you know we don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► money they didn't like you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► wanted a job that he could never got and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► when he brought back he finally got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► job now they brought him back and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► seemed to have a less powerful position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► than he had before he was like advisor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► chargeable hardware so it was mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► all right but in this same announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► that forestall is out now Mansfield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► position not forestall his old job but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► different you know he's in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► technologies in charge of this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► other big thing uh so regardless of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► reasoning behind this is what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► we can try to talk about this without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► actually knowing is it because Mansfield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► hated forestall and he wouldn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► back until he got a promise at Forrester [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► was going out and seems like hoodie who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► knows but like independent of what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► reasoning is when something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► happens it is a black mark on Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► record like if you're keeping things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► order you should be the one deciding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► who's hired and fired if someone leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► you should make sure that their that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► they're leaving for reasons that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► have no control over and they really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► just want to retire like all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► this type of thing we're a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► important guy leaves and you get them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► come back and another guy goes like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► just not it's just like good manage but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► not just because of the optics of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► how it looks from the outside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► everything but just in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► you know that you want the company to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► steady and under good leadership and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► should be like positive changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► accounting crew people who want to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► and retire this is this is I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► failure of Management no not a big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► but a small one like it's not this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► not a estar and Tim Cook's record the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► fact that all that happened regardless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► there's no there's no reason this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► have happened that you know gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► gold star so cook the record so far he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► hired the wrong guy for retail and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► to fire him uh and he did not manage his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► current crop of executives who he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► apparently loves right well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► because they you know they bailed on him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► he had to pull him back in right so here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► finally I think with this reshuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► announcement is the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► real Tim Cook era because finally he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► done that thing going so you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► you're saying that that that's over that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► the reshuffle that he has now created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► the Apple that he wants you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► he's done now he's put the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4318">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► place he's made things happen and and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► should not see any more of this not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► he's done this is like this is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► beginning like you could imagine in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► more traditional scenario where your CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► goes out because he's crappy the new CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► comes in and like you know day one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► day ten or something impressed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► these slick comes like this Here I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► I'm coming in and I'm changing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► around here and the first change is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► forced all your out Mansfield you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► charge of this Brout you're gone uh-uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► you people have new responsibilities he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► is starting the Tim Cook Aaron now not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► that it's not going to be more changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► there will be but this is the first set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► of them this marks the beginning of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► and so it's like the time between and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► Steve Jobs left and now was him kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► coasting trying not to screw things up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► but really actually screwing things up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► little bit and now he's finally said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► right the time for me to just be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► continue doing don't mess things up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► time is over and it's time for me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► stuff because things had by not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► things I guess we all know by sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► letting things slide and just trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► you know stay the course things do screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► up bad things happen and so he's finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► taking the reins finally taking control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► so what did you do to recover from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► bad record get rid of the bad retail guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► get that good Hardware a guy back give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► him more power and you know get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► forest all for whatever reasons and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► responsibilities reward them and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► and this is the new team going forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► finally what we have here is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► iteration of the Tim Cook team there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► many iterations the Steve Jobs team over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► the years as well this is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► iteration finally of the Tim Cook team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► this is the beginning of the Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► era ah and everything between there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► would say it was mostly a mistake that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► he waited this long especially given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► things that happened in between their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► Maps Siri all the other things have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► know that the bad retail guy like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► it you know Tim Cook has a lot of black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► marks on his record but Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► credit he has been fast to recover he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► reversed that bad retail guys decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► and he gave him a little bit more chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► but he said no he's got to go like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► didn't dilly-dally he didn't try to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► him around for long whatever the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► definitely a definitive solution for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► you know right or wrong it forestall was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► the right guy to keep and get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► other guys or whatever but like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► what he's made it's a very definitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► it's a cut-off point ah 300 last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► rival section about looking ahead to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► future oh it's almost sounds optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► coming from you sure shutterstock.com 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► illustrations video clips John if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► looking for an image for your website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► blog print ad trade show swag or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► the iOS app that I know you're building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► you can go to shutterstock they add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► something like 10,000 new images every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► photographers illustrators designers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► make really really cool stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► there and when you go there you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► the image you get it in the full size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► and the full HD size same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► their video same thing with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4498">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► stuff that they do they don't nickel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► dime you mean obviously there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► company they want to make some money but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► they're turning that money over to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► folks that do the design work as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► when you go there you know that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► supporting that independent community of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► freelancers and photographers and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► out there when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► cruising around the site you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► lightbox you put the stuff that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► into the lightbox they have an iPad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► for this by the way and when you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► the things out that you like you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► buy them you get thirty percent off you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► use the code Dan sent me 11 this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► you'll get thirty percent off any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► packages that you put together their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► huge library vectors and infographic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► templates you name it 24-hour support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► during the week go to shutterstock.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► code is dan sent me 11 safe thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► percent thanks very much to them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► making this show possible now it's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► for the optimism to the future I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► of you as an optimistic guy sure yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► do probably maybe so going forward I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► through each of the executives who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► something happened with and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► their what are they brought in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► mocha they have coming card so four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► stalls out what can we look at it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► know it his legacy what did he do at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► Apple as far as we're able to determine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► from the outside huh first thing is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► though it's not a confirmed report I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► seen it enough sources that I believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and I do know that when the iphone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► under development there were many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► internal arguments as there always are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► at any healthy company i think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► what the operating system platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► should be four apples phone thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► they were going to do and on one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► were people arguing that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► something other than what it was City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► there should be linux-based or actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► based on the Pyxis operating system or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► something like that I think Linux was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► major contender because hey that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► know that seems logical and then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► was another entire camp saying our phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► operating system should be based on Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► OS 10 and forestall reportedly was part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► of the Mac os10 camp in fact a big part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► of the Mac os10 camp and that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► if you were to just go back in time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► look at that and we're like you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► understand like it barely runs like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► dog slow on you know a g4 powermac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► you think that's gonna go on a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► that you know has some little tiny wimpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► CPU in there like no ram are you crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► like it seems like all right it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► i know that you probably wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► like oh we can use some of the same dev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► tools and stuff but like it's come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► guys you can't Mac os10 barely runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► max and you want to put it on a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and yet that camp you know perhaps not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► led by but certainly supported heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► by Forrestal according to all accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► won that argument inside Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► that's not it that's a hard thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► there may be many cases in the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► of Apple where the the thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► decided to do seems a little crazy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► like really really difficult or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► you've got your work cut out not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► safe choice and this was not the safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► choice and Forrestal was four and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► shows you know daring foresight and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► was the correct call like does anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► think of if iOS was based on linux Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► would be where it is today it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► difficult to do very very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► do what they did and the others a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► tremendous amount of crazy compromises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► in iOS one point 0 in the first iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► right no no multitasking they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► even do like the widget eyes apps based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► on like you know HTML and JavaScript and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► everything negative you know core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► animation created layer kit created for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► the phone to make things fast GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► accelerated like it was an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► technical achievement it was a bold move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► and Forrestal was associated that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► thumbs up on that right he was involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► with it eventually led the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► iOS platform for the years when iOS went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► from zero to like you know a big gorilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► right in some respects things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► are a little tiny bit right place right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► time because say you were involved I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► even just the mac OS 10 guys like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► guys who were in charge of the Mac of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 during the same time that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► so was involved in iOS did they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► worse job than for us awesome but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► phenomenal growth like I always did just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► you know the mac is a PC operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► system that market is mature and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► doesn't just have just didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► growth potential that iOS did or it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► harder to change because it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► existing established market whereas hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► you know this was a smartphone OS it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► respects this is another thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► happens in corporations the dude who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► happens to be in charge of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► project that probably would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► probably would have succeeded anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► like it was set up to succeed because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► was the right plan at the right time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► the right product and he just had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► competently executed he looks like a god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► because it's like oh this he's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► in charge of iOS and iOS is the naf the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► foundation of this company it prints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► you know like the printing press is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► unbelievable we're just drowning in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► profit and she's massively successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► great for forest all that not that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► doesn't deserve credit for this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► just got through saying how he was such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► a strong proponent of it being based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► Mac os10 which was the right decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► and a key decision but it is possible no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► matter how awesome you are to end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► being elevated to a level that exceeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► you know that your actual merits and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► end up having maybe more power than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► should have simply because like he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► guy he's the guy who's leading iOS and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► was like you know he can do no wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► he's awesome and Steve Jobs himself has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► that phenomenon a lot but so you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► the eyes of your boss or whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► don't need to know the details what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► know is that you're the guy in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► iOS and iOS is awesome and it's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► tons of money right and it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► know during the ascendancy of iOS how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► many things that forestall do that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► positive or negative how many things was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► he for that were good or against there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► were bed and you know Steve Jobs himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► is a great example because it various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► times in the ascendancy of the ipod of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► the mac and so on so are Steve Jobs has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► been on the wrong side of many decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► and he would you know I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► itunes on Windows to being a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► example that was the wrong decision it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► needs insisted on and stop the speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► was a big baby about it and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► eventually convinced by the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► executive team this was the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► leadership allowing yourself to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► convinced and not putting your foot down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► but it's also an example of you making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► the wrong move so I bet forestalls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► stewardship of iOS was similar in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► maybe he was against a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► that were good ideas like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► where he felt that on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► approval process and all of the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► compromises made there but maybe he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► on the wrong side of a lot of those but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► whatever he ended up doing he was either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► able to be convinced by people to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► the right moves or the things that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► did weren't bad enough so uh to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► really hurt it that much so it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► assess his influence on iOS uh but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► know especially in the beginning but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► towards the end because House of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► successful iOS was and because of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► much power he had acquired within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► company he was Steve Jobs guy jobs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► know the two of them by all accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► were very close and he was in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► line ever the most successful platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► ever and so it towards the end of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► forestalls ring you have to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► everything that was going on in iOS you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► know in the beginning you don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► much influence yeah but towards the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► it's like that would not have happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► to forestall didn't approve especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► after Jobs was gone because that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► Jobs was around you're like no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► initially forward against you do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► that if it was released he was okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► it being released like nothing's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► out of Apple that Steve Jobs thinks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► terrible and should never be released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► because he was the guy and he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► decider he was the guy in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► everything when Steve Jobs was gone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► decider for iOS was definitely for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► when Jobs was there it would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► okay Forrestal could decide one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► would have jobs said no then I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► going to happen but it seemed like jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► in forest all of the same mind about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► what was going on there so towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► end of his reign you can say okay now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► everything that's happening in iOS I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► going to lay that at the foot of forest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► all because he was tremendously powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► jobs is no longer there and so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► got to be him right and examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► things that happened when it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► Forrestal or when I was at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► his reign and when it's most clear to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► on the outside that this had to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► been at least approved by Forrestal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► because he was basically a dictator of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► that whole section of this huge part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► Apple business are Siri maps and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► the crazy skeuomorphic and textured app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► bonanza that happened on on iOS right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► but certainly Syria maps those land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► directly at the feet of forest all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► hard for me to imagine that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► like the book has to stop with him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► that point because he was so clearly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► charge jobs was gone I can't imagine Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► Cook taking on the same role the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► did to come in and say oh I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► to find my friends to be leather Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Cook is not doing that by all accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► right so that was all on Forrestal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► all those things have parts of them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► were not you know up to Apple standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► Siri was released as beta that's apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► kind of admitting that's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► quite ready to go or whatever but job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► sauce eerie and thumbs up that but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► was like practically on his deathbed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► you can't know if he's like why but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► will be great or whatever or was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► thinking himself or if I was still well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► and I was in charge I would say maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► his leave Syria you know but he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► the story i think it was in the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► descend by or someplace else where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► were showing steve jobs in the hospital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► serie I think it was actually forestall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► showing it to him right but Siri you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► know I've had my show where I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► about Siri a little bit they Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► you know to its credit or detriment put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► the full force of apples company behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► cereal the ads with Siri the celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► talking to or whatever the reality of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► was like not great and that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► acknowledged by the beta thing maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► second rounding and we talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► in the past show Apple had to take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► maps it had to take the reins on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► but it also had to do a good job with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► and so they got most of that except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► the good job part maybe not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► maybe it should have baked longer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► whatever that falls at forestalls feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► as well right and the skeuomorphic stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► with the you know things looking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► leather or looking like knobs that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► have to turn stuff like that or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► everything being texture with linen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► everywhere every report we seniors at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► steve jobs like that and that forest all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► liked to and once you know like iOS 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► the OS that i would say you know is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► moat has four stalls fingerprinted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► most certainly he had the most power to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► influence that had a ton of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► now mango was tended to I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► forestall properly didn't have any moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► over matter was ten i'm not sure but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► that's why i say maybe for this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► more big stuff and there's tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► stories about that like oh the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► reason we have these ugly skeuomorphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► apps is because Forrestal was in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► now that he's gone we won't have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► anymore I don't think that's clear so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► that's why I give that one a maybe ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► but if you're looking for from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► Forrestal should be out of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► just based on the visibility things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► can see we also have Siri performed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► performing in what it did so those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► things combined with any possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► personality conflict person I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► complex alone aren't going to do it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► don't think map someone do it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► think Siri alone would do just a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► combination of everything yeah Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► plus maps plus any kind of personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► conflict in terms in whether he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► or wrong with everyone else's the jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► performance related things combined with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► any kind of personality conflict no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► matter who's right and who's wrong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► think that it adequately explains why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► Forrestal is now out and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► said but on the other hand those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► things Syrian maps and I we all made fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► happened to Steve Jobs was there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► know Steve Jobs had plenty of stinkers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► too but uh and seemed guys really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► like Forrestal and it could be the Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► Jobs would have given him more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► chance sir we're taking the reins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► tighter but jobs wasn't about firing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► people either I papermaster who they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► hired from or the IBM or something he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► came and went pretty quickly to under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► the jobs era so yeah I think this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► forestalls legacy is mostly positive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► kind of ended on not a great note for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► Apple or for himself because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► last things you did or Syrian maps maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► that's not such a great track record ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► so cook getting rid of him regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► any other reasons is probably a positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► because like it's like I gave you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► floundering it's still doing very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► and everything but these two misses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► combined with whatever the heck's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► on personality wise is a reason enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► that you gotta go next one up is Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► I've who we all know for many years it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► been out for a long time industrial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► designer making up all the suit so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► hardware now he's going to be in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► would be one guy in charge of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► interface where there was never well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► there hadn't been in the jobs to error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► really anyone who had this position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► other than implicitly Steve Jobs himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► but now there's an actual guy whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► title is here in interface across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► entire company and this includes both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► hardware and software cuz he's still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► charge of industrial design and now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► also in charge of the human interface of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► question is now we all know what jony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► ive's industrial design taste is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► we're all staring at and touching it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► using it all the time like his you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► we know what that aesthetic is what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► his software taste do we know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► software now supposedly Johnny I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► a big influence on the design of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► very first version of iOS which if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► look at the very first version of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► looks very different than iOS 6 in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► of just you know the look and feel of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► the thing not the operation so much just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► look in the field of the widgets and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► textures and the way the apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► organized and the interfaces and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► like that and you know as I said by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► totally on the bandwagon of they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► like things look like they were made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► real material looks like it's made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► wood looks like it's made of some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► skeuomorphism where it's like well a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► real mixer control panel has knobs on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► so when we put a mixer control panel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► GarageBand we're gonna have knobs you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► gonna turn them with your little fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► because real ones did and even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► knobs you know that that whole thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► or putting big leather flaps on stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► and all sorts of stuff like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► the leather with the stitching on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► because real calendar full pages need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► some sort of stitching to all the pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► and the computer one doesn't but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► going to put it there anyway the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► design for contacts a real contact book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► is a book and you opened it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► sides have to be the same size doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► need to be that way in the computer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► it was all of that supposedly is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► stolen jobs during and as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► on the windows 8 show that I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► find anywhere when I was looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► windows 8 when it was introduced and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► spend enough time staring windows 8 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► playing with it this is before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► service just playing with on a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► and stuff like that or even just windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► phone 7 if you just spend enough time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► with those and then you go back to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► iOS device it makes the iOS and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► iOS 5 back then I think it makes the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► interface look dated it looks dated in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► the way that if you were to boot up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► something but the pinstripes would would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► blind you'd be like oh my god how did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► even use this thing like some of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► fashion but some of it is also that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► like it's a treatment of its more heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► weight it's more to made look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► texture like a material and not not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► I'm saying that Windows 8 is like nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► looking or better looking observe one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► the UI has problems as well but just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► terms of which one of these you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► it's like an analogy current mac west [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► you know pinstripes is the current Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► os10 as current iOS you know six is two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► as to what it spending time with Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► 8 it makes windows it look like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► natural evolution of four get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► these details don't pile more on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► both the mac and iOS have been sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► reversing that where they've been adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► more texture more materials more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► stuff that is sort of decorative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► maybe superfluous or whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► that one approach is better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► other just that kind of feel that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► have when you look at like Oh remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► how Mac os10 used to be and you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► that and it feels old that's the way iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► feels to current iOS feels to me after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► using Windows 8 so that that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► you know that something that's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► air at least at least I feel I may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► other people feel different way about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► now jony ive is reportedly against that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► that all those trends and here's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► interview from may 2012 that I put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► the Charlotte's the Gruber link to from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► a telegraph in the UK and it's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► about skeuomorphism and all stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► that and talk about this is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► calendar app had a leather on and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► like that and the interviewer says when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► I mentioned the fake stitching I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► offers a wince but it's a gesture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► sympathy rather than a suggestion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► he just like such things at least that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► how I read it so the author of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► articles trying to be charitable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► saying that I've winces when he mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► the leather on the calendar I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► a pretty clear indication that Johnny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► was not in favor of putting the leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► and the stitching on the count right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► he's trying to sell well it's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► doesn't like it it's just that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► simple and so here's the video continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► that I've refuses to be drawn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► matter offering a diplomatic reply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► this is a quote from I've my focus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► very much working with other teams on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► products and ideas been developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► hardware so that's our focus and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► our responsibility in terms of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► elements that you're talking about I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► not really connected to that and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► Gruber posted this exact excerpt on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► forestall outpost which has the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► URL forestall underscore out as Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► says he's connected now is connected now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► well it used to be like oh I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► really connected to the software well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► now you're in charge of the software so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► presumably it's hard to imagine that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► heavyweight user interface comforting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► decorative things that remind us of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► physical objects that's got to go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► now it's just got out because if he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► wincing at like when we just put leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► on the calendar surely he's not in favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► of those damn reel-to-reel things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► turning in the podcast app right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► that is just way over the edge now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► doesn't mean that you know sudden garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► bands not gonna have a little fake piano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► on it of course it's going to like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► appropriate points for these things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► wanted to have a gorgeous looking fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► piano or the little the fake drums and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► stuff like that but maybe not for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► podcast app with a reel-to-reel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► that is probably over the line and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► to imagine that the amount of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► we see and it is two categories of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► it's not just all skeuomorphic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► skeuomorphism making little virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► knobs and stuff and then there's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► things look like they're made it real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► materials and textured looks and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► aesthetic thing both of those seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► they have to go down with I've and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► people are happy about that because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► feel like it's gone too far in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► direction I possible dangers with I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► taking over here judging by his hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► I've has a little bit of a tendency to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► make things a bit simpler and cleaner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► than they should be like he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► he's enamored with beautiful simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► elegant designs but at some point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► also have to use the thing he's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► trying to balance that to make it usable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► but also beautiful and simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► sometimes he goes the wrong way hockey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► puck mouse I'm not sure if he was for or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► against that but he was he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► industrial designer an apple when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► happen Steve Jobs sure loved it maybe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► told Steve Jobs this little circle mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► was just a little concept drawing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► you can't ship this thing Steve we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► know what was going on but the but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► know you have to assign the hockey puck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► industrial designer at that point and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► was behind the imac and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► stuff and they shipped a circular mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► it was hard to tell which way was up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► looked beautiful nice and symmetrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► and even and you know look it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► beautiful circle but horribly key is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► know they can't be served as you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► tell which way is up and you got a feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► for the cord with your fingers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► put a little dent on it and now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► caught that must have pained him so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► like the whole point of the circular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► symmetrical thing and you're gonna put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► divot in my design because people can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► find the front of it like that must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► killed him oh also the ports on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► underside of the cube the ports in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► back of the imac in the montour it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► like well you don't want all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► things to be visible somewhere we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► the ports to be in the back so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► route all the cables through our little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► hole on the stand on the imac in it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► if you're constantly plugging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► plugging stuff any pc vendor would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► put at least one port facing forward or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► one port on the side for practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► reasons and I've comes down on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► side of it's not elegant it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► beautiful it's ugly to have those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► visible I want them all on the back or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► on the cube I want them all on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► underside even if it's more difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► like reach around the back your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► and feel where the things are and stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► them in there so he does tend to on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► hardware side anyway go a little bit too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► far in the direction of elegance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► without perhaps as much thought towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► how you're actually gonna use this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► like if you think about things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► done the opposite way like oxxo was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► good example especially in the past now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► maybe they're losing the plot a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► bit but back in the day oxxo made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► products for people with arthritis if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► you have difficulty you know opening a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► can with a can opener are using some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► the tool we're gonna make tools that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► specially designed for people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► you know disabilities with their hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► and those things things that are made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► be you know all we care about is can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► use this thing with the least amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► efficiency with you know without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► being slippery without requiring fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► motor skills without require a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► strength those things are ugly is sin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► like they're not beautiful looking as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► said on the game controller episode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► know the negative space created by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► gripping or poking or whatever hand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► ugly it's not it's not attractive but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► all you care about is ergonomics you end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► up with things that are great to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► like the old ox 0 stuff but do not look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► elegant at all are not nice looking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► awkward strange really weird but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► not what you're focusing on uh I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► stuff has not been like that I've stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► is not like ox oh it's been more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► you know the monolith in 2010 you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► all these designs are just remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► everything already tails are gone also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► guess make it so that you know it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► could hold it in your hand or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► but if there's a line there's a balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► between those two ends of the spectrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► he has been way over on the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► simplicity and physical simplicity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► more important than ergonomics does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► have an analog in the soccer world maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► there's a lot of reading the tea leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► about this I've seen on Twitter and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► app.net in the past few days one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► is a people bring up hives wardrobe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► apparently the clothing designer that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► likes doesn't necessarily reflect Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► g-star I don't know what that is do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► know what that is that is the clothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► manufacturer now I don't know that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► likes the clothing manufacturer I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► that he wears the g star t-shirts I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► I'm I'm not saying that he doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► the clothing manufacturer I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► saying that he's always picture he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► always wears the same g-star t-shirt in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► a variety of different neutral colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► and his famously pointed out that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► well you know page the appeal executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► committee or the you know like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► page that has all the executive people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► on it that he is the only one there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► is wearing I he may be the only one in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► t-shirt but he's the only one who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5878">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► clothing has a logo on it and is the g [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► star logo just above the cuff of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► sleeve a short sleeve shirt and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► I don't know if the other garments that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► he wears are also g-star or if it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► the t-shirt that's g-star and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► like I've got a shirt on from banana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► republic that doesn't mean that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► banana republic or that I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► banana republic or that all my t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► are color clothing and from there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► just means I'm wearing a banana republic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► shirt today and I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► people people seem to think that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► likes the manufacturer for some reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► don't know why this is well regardless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► of the clothing manufacturer and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► nothing about building your friend she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► start really previously established jisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► reflected as men osha's get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► everything extra it has matched his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► devices like yeah Johnny I of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5937">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► physical manifestation that we know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► like a little you know videos and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► is like simple clean not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► ornamentation you don't need the hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► beginning and rethought the head we said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► what is this do we need hair no we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► need it like so that lends itself to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► idea that that his tastes and hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► transferred to other realms now someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► I think it was Nevin Mergen put a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► into what is supposedly I of Johnny odds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► car apparently he bought drives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► bentley brooklands now first of all he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► driving a Bentley because I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► because he was born in the UK because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► you're just picking cars based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► quality of the cars from an automotive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► perspective Bentley's are beautifully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► built but not really you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► handling or performance or modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► anything really ah and I put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► this post in the show note that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► shot of the Interior and the interior of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► a Bentley does not look like an imac it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► does not look like jony ive's wardrobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► it is filled with chrome and leather and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► ios6 application looks like find my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► friends right and that that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► it is that is counter to jony ive's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► hardware taste and apparently his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► wardrobe taste but he's chosen this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and apparently he likes this car and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► point this out just to to highlight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► idea that it's not safe to assume that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► person's taste in one area extends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► all other areas of his life and example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► the spring to mind for me is we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► somebody who's like a crazy Stanley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► Kubrick superfan and not specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► talking about Gruber but it's any better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► we all know someone who's like into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► Stanley Kubrick but Stanley Kubrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► superfans don't all have meticulously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► arranged houses with spare furniture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► arrangements and vast expanses of clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► white walls it is entirely normal for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► you to be a huge fan of apple devices or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► Stanley Kubrick or anything else with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► very particular aesthetic and till when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► you live your life to just have dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► laundry everywhere and your house is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► mess or maybe you're even a hoarder who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► knows like there it doesn't just figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► you have taste in one area doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► it transfers the area so that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► want to warn against looking at Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6057">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► ABS wardrobe and how he does hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► and stuff like that and saying therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► his software is going to look like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► Hardware because I know there are plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► of places in my life where I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► particular taste and that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► transfer at all to other parts of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► life like you know I don't cook like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► program I don't program like I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► house like it's just people very good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► compartmentalizing things and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► hardware and software might seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► they're related but I think you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► I think there Johnny I was much more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► a wild card in the software around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► only thing that gives me reassurances if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► influence of the original iOS version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► iOS is true then that gives us Dean ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► now we know a little bit about of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► software taste and i and i like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► think most people would like it so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► the end i think i've taken over for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► human interface I think we'll see less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► of the textured and the skeuomorphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► stuff and I am cautiously optimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► about it but I think there is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► someone certain to there and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► something that reflects these tastes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6117">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► don't know I mean there's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► thinks he can do short term that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► fast but like certainly by like 10 9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► maybe maybe 10 9 Joe that certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► about iOS 7 I feel like iOS 7 comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► that should have jony ive's fingerprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► on on the UI not just the look of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► how it works and you know whether he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► move settings around and change the UI's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► of the application and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► then we'll know what we should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► complaining about with him maybe I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► make things too simple and remove a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► bunch of options because he didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► they were necessary and people will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► angry or maybe he'll just look I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► everything look much nicer I don't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► cautiously optimistic on him Eddy Cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► he's taking over Syrian maps so he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► that like you know since far stall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► exploded and the pieces get distributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► so the piece about user interface I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► gets that the Syrian maps thing Eddy Cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► takes over that and he's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► fixer it seems like for antman as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► server side component he took over from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► mobileme I believe in the past and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► was just such a cluster and like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► would think I'll man you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6178">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► be that executive like this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► mess and jobs is angry and he comes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► right you take over and you fix that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► it's like you know that's pressure right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► but he rose to that I guess you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► say and came up with icloud which for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► what you may say about it is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► better than mobilni was certainly a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► compelling product but still has his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► problems he's in charge Siri maps itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► store the bookstore iCloud itunes match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► his record is ok he's probably the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► with the best record inside Apple at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► doing online services but as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► discussed many many times in pet shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► out this is still not Apple strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► iTunes Match as an example I enable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► I think I talked about this in Apache I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► enabled that recently it didn't work the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► first several times I tried it were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► grind for a long time then failed an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► obscure error then it finally worked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► then some tracks expla khalif ailed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► upload and there's no real visibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► into whether it's working or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► we've all heard about iCloud woes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► Merlin's talked about in his shows and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► can do flaky things and you really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► no recourse you don't know why it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► working you just sit there and hope and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► pray that it works again you know if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► server the client or both Game Center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► recently we're all playing letterpress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► are you pointing letterpress oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► you're not playing plenum press with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► anyway I'm cuz yeah I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► get you on there yeah that's the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► this problem Game Center speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► online services it shouldn't be easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► for like me to find you and to send you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► a request and stuff like that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► it'll even look at R address book and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► you used it you know like a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► the one that I have you down for oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► yeah like I I there's plenty people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► I know their email address i know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► twitter address i know them personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► and yet i can't find them in kingston [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► i'm adding you right now there yep I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► and you should be able to add them by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► username like you can pick a username [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► for game son I can tell you what my user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► it's just my name you know John Serkis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► with space in the middle but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► add based on that anyway letterpress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► seem to from external appearances crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► game center just like the matchmaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► thing like when the game came out it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► very popular this is a Victor's new word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► matching game that a lot of publicity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► the macworld but come on how big could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6297">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► it are really bent like it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► words with friends Calvary yeah and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► little nerd circles were all popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► yeah I know I was like the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► and number two paid app for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► day or whatever but that's like a nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► bump I feel like you know my mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► doesn't know what letterpress is but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► mother knows what words with friends is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► you know and it's not angry birds level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► and yet because it used game center as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► its back end it you know and maybe game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► center had been used that much or hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► been tested it kind of fell over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► that that's embarrassing for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► Google still does all this stuff better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► an apple still does not seem to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► server-side culture and we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► about in past shows what other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► do but at this point I think we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► say with iCloud an itunes match and Game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► Center like all these things that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► is doing at this point Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► should be doing what all the other big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► guys do before I was contrasting it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► saying here's what Google does here so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► the Facebook dog and apple doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► that and how can they ever be as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► that but now Apple has so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► online and so many essential important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► parts that I cloud is essential for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► which is its money maker right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► iTunes Match an itunes store like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► you know even things like Game Center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► this is you know the Apple is as much an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► online service company at this point as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► something like Google practically Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► this point should be building its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► servers writing some of its own server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► side infrastructure saw we're doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► the things that Facebook Amazon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► Google do in the Apple as far as me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► does not do Apple should not be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► reportedly was it should not be leaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► on oracle and EMC to solve its problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► it really has to get a server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► culture I mean just steal Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► entire operation team and pay them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► gazillions of dollars you got but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► had to say what should Apple do with its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► building some dollars i mean maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► but in the fantasy world where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► money could transfer into getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► Google's entire operations and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► what Apple would need if they could if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► applicant wish one things into existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► it would be give us a server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► operations team as good as Google or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► maybe even Amazon's because both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► those guys you know and Facebook is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► of just slap things together but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► even Twitter even Twitter's has even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► with all the fail whale stuff has like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► seemed to get its act together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► apples still after all this time doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► have its act together so Eddy Cue still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► has a smart cut out for him uh and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► think i think it's a cultural thing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► than like oh this one executive can snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► his fingers make this happen it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► be some kind of change its going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► happen inside Apple to to recognize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► you're not the company than X iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► and ipads or the company that spends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► half its resources doing this invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► server side stuff that you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► it is important that you just want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► away that you just want to pay a vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► to do but you can't because this is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► a core competency of your company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► you got it you got to get handle on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► frustrating craig federighi will now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► lead both iOS and OS 10 / trance early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► the guy who used to be in charge of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► Forrestal was the iOS guy but Ron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► retired in an actual you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► retired from working but left Apple on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► good terms of his own accord went off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► do his own interesting things and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► his own startups and do stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► uh and he endorsed on his way out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► door endorsed credit craig federighi as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► his successor uh and so federighi is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► coming in he was super nervous in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► first time he was in a keynote with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► hand shaking on the mouse trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► demonstrate gestures be out so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► coming to his own like this is all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► see it as executive it's so hard to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► you're gonna talk about an executor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► all you're gonna talk about is the 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► minutes they were on stage but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► all we see them like we see them when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► they do keynotes and does not be shaken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► when you're up there yeah but he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► know that that's our proxy for judging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► how he's doing inside the company in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► beginning you know that's those are big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► shoes to fill and then but now like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► the most recent one he's got the hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► force one joke which worked well for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► and he's getting the personality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► people started to like him when he seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► more confident so he's in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► uh it always tends technical stewardship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► I think this is a complete list maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► I'm missing some of the year but start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► off with avi tuve nyan in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6538">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► and then he retired to become a venture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► capitalist so let's say you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► amicable parting of ways but Ron's early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► took over there and then he went off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► do his startup thing Amika parting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► ways and he hands it off to Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► federighi who's the current guy all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► those people are X next guys which maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► is not that surprising given the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► inverse takeover of next of Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► know of Apple by next but it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► means that there's never been a from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► beginning quote-unquote mac guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► charge of mac OS 10 it's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► next guys and there's a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► checkered history there especially back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► in the day where the people who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► became a creatures recently probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► don't remember this but there was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► tension between the Apple guys and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► next guys about what you should do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► the next generation operating system one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► infamous incident from 2003 involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► avi to manian was the the tech note 2034 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► kerfuffle this I put a link to Gruber's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► post about it at the time called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► good the bad and the avi technote 2034 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► inflammatory and in places so ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► that Apple withdrew it after howls of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► developers it's interesting to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► and look at these things now so I he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► gruber thoughtfully has a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► PDF of this which I put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► notes you can actually read this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► ambil did remove this technote from its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► side and tech notes are like technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► documents for developers like why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► you ever have to remove one so this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► was written by supposedly substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► written by a bee demeaning himself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► next guy in charge of what was supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► to be the next Mac operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► which had all the mac users all and huff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► and here are some of the crazy ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► things that it's it avoid using resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► Forks and you know Mac was intended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► be an excellent web citizen don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► resource works they're not supported by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► web dev NFS SMB blah blah blah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► hfs+ still supports them but don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► that anymore use file extensions stead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► of sync file name extension CSS file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► extensions if your application creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► documents those documents should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6658">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► saved with the filename extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► because I much more durable and blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► blah blah don't use type creatorcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► codes are these don't rely on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► investigate using paths based file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► system API it's not even very forceful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► you should really investigate those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► paths based file system API Isis paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► revised native access to files and I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► is 10 all other mechanisms like FS refs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► structures from the old Mac world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► lets you track a file independent of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► identifier or some combination of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► stuff says all those things are built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► top of pests and therefore encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► some performance cost this costs can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► considerable when converting back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► forth between past so you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► don't you use just Pat string you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► string path / whatever / whatever don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► use these higher level constructs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► are more durable because there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► performance cost of doing these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► he says cocoa is the quickest way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► develop a mangosteen application so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► should totally use cocoa that's a slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► at carbon which was the transitional API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► but at that time was basically the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► API in the form they ran in Mac OS 10 be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► judicious about using C++ for new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► development he slammed C++ in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► cautious way saying a low c plus so c++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► provides several attractive features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► especially for application developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► experience has shown that it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► presents a couple of risks to be guarded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► against and goes through fragile base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► class stuff and all all the areas where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► objector seems better than C++ saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► maybe think real hard about doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► uh and this technote that i read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► probably sounds either nonsensical are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► certainly not crazy or ludicrous was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► pulled because of the backlash from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► then big community of existing Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► developers who were suspicious of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► whole crazy next world they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► you're telling me all the crap that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► to make mac apps is terrible and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► want me to use your next stuff and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► me tell you while your next stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► terrible and so that was like a PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► problem they pulled that techno so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► think to this day it goes like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► thirty three and twenty thirty five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► twenty thirty four is gone but many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► extensions are used everywhere in Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► 10 now resource fork is deprecated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► continue into 64 bit it's basically gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► not gone but you know on its way out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► Coco was the way to do you know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► right you should use cocoa to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► stuff not all the things that came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► pass aren't necessarily good things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► in particular I think the filename [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► extension thing was a big mistake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► they could have done a better compromise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► they're not by using resource Forks not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► type creator codes but simply by making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► a new canonical representation of file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► type information and merely having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► file extend filename extension be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► reflection of that anyway I've discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► this at length with Barry's people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► many times that ship has sailed Pat's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► instead of FS refs and I vest specs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► was just plain bad advice and luckily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► that one didn't come to pass because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► paths are not as durable and those you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► know those things have a performance or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► bread yes they do have a performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► overhead but in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► things it's much better to have a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► level construct it keeps track of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► your files are regardless of their path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► and Coco does have that now and carbon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► had it earlier and so on so forth so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► that was bad advice but in general the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► things he was recommending were like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► was ahead of everyone else in saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► this is the way things are gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► this is what its gonna look like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► future you should start doing this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► and Mac Mac developers didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► hear and I think on the most part it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► good advice and he was right but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► are a few things in there under his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► stewardship they were wrong and had long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► lasting effects on the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► like waiting so long to get a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► construct in Cocoa that keeps track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► files as well as the old carbon api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► did was bad and made cocoa applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► look worse than they should have been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► the early days of cocoa and it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► needlessly antagonistic because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► just wrong on that like it you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► have an API to keep track of stuff don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► investigate file-based paths you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► and c++ now that's come and gone but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► Apple is of two minds about c++ I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► say he was mostly right on that one per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► controversial for better or worse the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► decisions that avi made that stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► continued when Searle a was there uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► know there wasn't any big reversal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6898">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► anything like that the big thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► Bertrand is the file system crisis which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► was that hfs+ is old and crappy and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► acknowledged and they were gonna go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► ZFS but then it didn't work that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► know he couldn't it just didn't get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► done in his in his reign it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► that still needs to be done he made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► good effort at it and just didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► out with a ZFS thing which is a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► maybe that was more core OS and not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► what I think that falls under silliest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► thing but yeah I think that is the if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► you got to say what in general nag was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► under Sir lay you know that was it sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► of salad days speaking of past show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► titles uh everything about it got better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► everything about it improved and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► all all roses except for the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► thing which just didn't get solved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► still not solved Cora storage helps but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► it's not a new file system um is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► little thing I putting the show it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► from o malli' qoran Malachi like to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► um that I think that's wrong I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► it's yeah i think it's um I like ohm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► meditative yeah and this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► you know finding sources from inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► Apple about Forrestal and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► federighi federighi who's taking over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► overseeing the mac OS software business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► if someone who needs to prove himself he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► is not a decisive his Forrestal not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► decisive end divisive is forestall so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► you know by many accounts Forrestal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► jobs i can imagine had many adherence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► within the company who are very devoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► to him and now they've had their leader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► taken from them violently like he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► leave on his own they fired him those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► people are cranky and craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► the guy who used to just be in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► mac OS 10 is now in charge of both mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► OS 10 and iOS things gonna oh here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► your new daddy iOS developers and sis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► federighi you might not even know and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► can imagine him having a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► uphill battle to get buy-in from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► those guys especially the guys who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► forced all forestall loyalists uh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► overall I'm very optimistic about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7016">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► particularly because for tron gives him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7018">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► the thumbs up uh he seems he seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► a great mix of avi and Bertrand where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► avi was very sort of opinionated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► very rooted in the way next did things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► was the right way to do things so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► he was you know he he saw farther than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► Mac developers but he didn't see far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► enough he didn't he didn't he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► recognize the way competing was going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► the future and you know made some bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► decisions early on that didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► hurt the operating system that much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► they are kind of a shame because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► the first guy in right sir leigh was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► much more pragmatic and really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► presided over the greatest development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► of mac OS 10 brought it from this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► operating system was slow and ugly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► whatever into this awesome thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► all love and federighi took over that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► seems like he was it's hard to tell how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► much influence the Forrestal aesthetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► had on him because federighi has been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► charge during the time when maca was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► tennis in suddenly sprouting leather and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► crap how much does that is him and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► much is that is just him not resisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7077">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► those things or whatever but now he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► charge of both os's and certainly him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► combined with I've will be able to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► say whatever comes out in 10 point 9 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► 10 point 10 and iOS 7 now we'll have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► technically speaking federighi still has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► the file system thing to deal with Korra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► storage views and drive all good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► hm s+ still not a good thing still still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► a problem that is his probably his major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► technical challenge that in continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► to morph OS 10 to have all the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► qualities that iOS has in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► performance and everything uh so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► pretty optimistic but I federighi but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► he he I think he does has proved himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► and finally yes that's gonna nother long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► episode I know it would be Bob Mansfield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► technologies group which is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► vague name you could possibly have in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► company like Apple what the hell is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► technology and Apple its technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► it's plural yeah but then then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7136">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► description this is from the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► release Bob mannsville will lead a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► group technologies which combines all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► apple's wireless teams across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► company in one organization fostering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► innovation in this area at even higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► level how the heck does technologies map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► in any way to wireless but there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► that's the description all that bowls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► wireless teams that's the people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► everything that is being unified and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► reorganization is doing it different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► than jobs did where jobs didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► have one guy in charge of user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► and one guy in charge of software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► one guy in charge of hardware he want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► do your the Iowas guy you're the mac guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► you're the ipod guy and like so we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► different teams because the ipod team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► wanted to do the phone but then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► so did I forget who the other team was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► it was in the rain but like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► broken up by like you just do iPods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► you do the ipods offering you to the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► hardware did get kind of unified during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► jon rubinstein and mansfield himself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I started to consolidate that but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► never like it is now where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7194">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► both their operating systems one guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► that and one guy in charge of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► it would be like the wireless so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► iphones got a team and the wireless for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► the max have attainment so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► forth so they're unifying this all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► and why that's called technologies who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► organization will also include the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► semiconductor teams who have ambitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► plans for the future now it gets more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► interesting because semiconductor stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► interesting things have been happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► in Apple lately about that like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► bought p i semi and intrinsic a ms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► people in like the GPU stuff and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► fruits of that came out with basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► six which appears to be a custom design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► hand laid out processor that seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► give apple an edge in terms of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► consumption and performance and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► using it in their products and that bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► that's like the fruits of their of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► labor there versus just licensing an arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► integrate it with a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► pieces and make a system-on-a-chip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► ambitious plans be the first thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► sprung to mind for me was not mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► making their own mobile cpus because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► they're already kind of doing that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7257">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► was he's in charge of all wireless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► he's in charge of semiconductor and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:01 ◼ ► have ambitious plans maybe I belongs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7261">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► start making some wireless chips like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► instead of using Qualcomm and Broadcom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► advantage to that unless like they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► like they're sad that they couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► LTE a year ago because the chips took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► too much powering like boy if we made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► our own wireless chips we wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► had to wait one more embarrassing year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► with just 3g before we could come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► with the LTE you know iphone 5 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► that's that could you know i mean what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► what ambitious stuff are you gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► with silicon I don't think they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► start making their own desktop CPUs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► that certainly would be ambitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► wouldn't it and they're already like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► they're already practically making their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► own mobile CPUs that are gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► their own GPU cores to add in there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► don't know like I this his future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► his group is the most mysterious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► maybe my optimistic thing I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► about it is like this maybe we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► finally get 3g on max or cellular data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► on max please now it's all under one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7315">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► roof can we do that because everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7317">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► wants who doesn't want a macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► with the cellular data like everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► would raise their hand anyone who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► a macbook air or at least like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► an option so if that can be made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► happen I would be happy and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► own that when they make their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► silicone it it doesn't suck right the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► sex is good thumbs up again I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► recommending they try to compete with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► Intel until they have their own you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► everyone else like in told us but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► apparently this group wants to do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► with silicone and and wireless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► something so that's mysterious but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► apparently Bob Mansfield was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► according to Tim Cook and he wanted him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► back they got him back they gave him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► something to do and and now we wait so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► there you have it the Tim Cook era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► begins ushered in if you will well kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► of shambled shielded I came onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► stage and tripped in it fell but then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► got up and it does itself often said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► confident very optimistic and confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► about the future and about the the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► Tim Cook the new Tim Cook in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► Apple in some respects I'm I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► that like that between the time he took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► over and now a lot of that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► not wasted time wasted opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:15 ◼ ► because many people point out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7395">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► look at how Apple the company has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► during that year it's phenomenal like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:21 ◼ ► anything if you were looking like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7401">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► financials it's like getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► Steve Jobs guy was awesome his company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► he was holding them back the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► making more money than ever which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► totally goes to Tim Cook strength as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► like an operations guy and a bean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► counter in or whatever and he sure did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► that great but looking at the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► that came out of apples and steve job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► was gone there's some great thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► there no doubt uh but there's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► little trips and falls but were like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► know maybe increase your batting average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► a little bit or you know siri fine matts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► fine siri followed by maps and now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► starting to get cranky right the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7435">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► made tons of mistakes but I tended not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7437">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► to be sequential like the I applaud the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► hi-fi and the eye and the cube and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► puck Mouse reasonably spread out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► mobileme and that mess kind of went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► through jobs this whole thing but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► apples institutional unawareness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► server side but yeah it's kind of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► rearrangement I like the fact that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► taking decisive action I'm hopeful for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► the future but at the same time had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► been managed differently this current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► mess and this memo would not need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► exist so it's it's kind of you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► kind of set he's ripping off the bandaid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► but I would have just preferred not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7479">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► be wounded it's a good one show title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► maybe maybe I think I'll cap it here 203 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► 203 all right so if you want you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► glue and see all of these show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► links that John is collected by going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7496">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► five by five TV / hypercritical / 92 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► can follow John on Twitter siracusa SI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► RAC USA there's no Z there and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► also Siracusa on alpha dot net and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► dentists siracusa dentists and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► follow me on twitter i'm dan benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► dan on alpha and fall the five by five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► frequency it's a new daily news show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► know John listens and and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► anything else jump thank you covered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► alright thanks everybody for tuning in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmTTJm8/7536">TS</a>]