Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► oh that is a snarky comment about the [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► show that i'm watching this is [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► hypercritical weekly talk show [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► so perfect that it cannot be obliterated [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► by my co-host and your friend John [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Friday October fifth 2012 this is [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► episode number 88 of our beloved [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► hypercritical we have three sponsors [TS]

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00:00:52 ◼   ► listening to me right now it means you [TS]

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00:00:57 ◼   ► out cash fly calm and let them know you [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► heard about them from us good morning [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► John siracusa you'd mentioned right [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► before we started that you have some [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► kind of cold going I do I am under the [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► weather today but I will soldier on you [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► sounded like a little you know you sell [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► like yourself but just maybe more [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► gravely yeah a little extra foghorn [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► right in the mix that's exactly what I [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► was all right we're on a schedule today [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► let's do it let's hit it we got it we [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► got to get through different time today [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► nobody and people who are downloading [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the show they don't they don't know they [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► don't care yeah but starting early today [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► because we gotta end early now i'm [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► probably going to truncate some of the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► follow up just so we can get to the main [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► topics okay the first bit follow up is a [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► year-long follow up this is as most [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► people know by now the anniversary of [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Steve Jobs is death last year the only [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► note I want to do I make here is that we [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► talked about this on episode 37 of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► hypercritical entitled a story of [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► triumph it's five behind that TV / [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► hypercritical that / 37 the link is also [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► in the show notes so if you would like [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► to hear some discussion of that topic i [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► recommend you [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► download that show I'm not going to talk [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► about it again but it's sad and apple [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► apple com has a little tribute today I [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► didn't put it in the show notes because [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► you know we will expire as soon as they [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► pull down that tribute but if you're [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► listening on Friday and I assume maybe [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► saturday or sunday take a look at apple [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► com I've got a neat little tribute video [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► up there alright next item the last show [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► we talked about the iphone 5 had some [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► follow-up about the internals of the [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► iphone 5 and one of them was about the [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► thing that holds the Lightning connector [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► inside and I had mentioned that uh two [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► shows ago that I thought the little [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► dents inside the Lightning connector [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► were perhaps gripped by spring-loaded [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► ball bearings that the balls would like [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► push into those little dents and hold [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► the thing in and that would be really [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► neat but right in the ifixit teardown it [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► showed that it was just like a little [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► metal clip we're just kind of less [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► exciting in a little bit more lame and I [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► was corrected by a non mouse who I guess [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► is anonymous but also a mouse telling me [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that those little balls those [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► theoretical balls that I was imagining [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that would be on Springs and they would [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► push into those little dents those are [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► just called metal balls an actual ball [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► bearing is the balls in with the two [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► metal rings that are called races I [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► think so I everyone I mean I think I [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► knew this in the back of my mind but I [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► think this is total idiot correction [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► this is something we should all strive [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► to be correct about ball bearings are [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► not little metal balls they're just [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► called metal balls I guess they don't [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► have a special name it's only a ball [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► bearing if it has those noble arranged [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► in a particular way with metal rings [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► around them sliding around really yes I [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► believe I knew that back from my remote [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► control car days because they use ball [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► bearings actual ball bearings not just [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► little metal balls so thank you a non [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► mouse for that correction also in the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► iphone 5 topic last week we were [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► pondering the new iphone 5 wall wart [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► charger thing and since you actually [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► have an iphone 5 you said that's not [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► what my iphone 5 came with yours came [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► with the much smaller like a vertical [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► thing with the USB plug on the back and [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► many listeners send us email to solve [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► this mystery that we should have thought [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► of this ourselves [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► course we didn't because we're so [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► us-centric apparently in other countries [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► that have 240 volt power yeah they get [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the big one yeah they get the big fat [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► ones we get the the rinky dink ones now [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► did it to the big fat ones charge faster [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► have you heard this I don't know like I [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► know like you said like you said on the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► show like the ipad comes with the fat [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► one I've got an ipad 3 it came with that [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► little fat one and i do know that the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► ipad 3 charges faster from that little [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► fat thing that it does if you plug it [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► into a computer wife soon I assume it's [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► this the same charging speed if you know [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► if you plug it into the wall regardless [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► of what size the adapter is but I don't [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► know so there you have it u.s. and the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► rest of the world did we did we already [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► clear up what was inside the little [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► prongs that were inside of the little [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► rinky-dink one yeah well you sent you [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► sent me a picture of yours and says [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► here's my small one came with the iphone [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► 5 and the place where the USB plug goes [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► in is still surrounded by metal right [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► not surrounded by plastic wood metal [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► contact right yeah and I mean that makes [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► sense because they want them to be small [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► they want to be light and yeah maybe [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► they'll revise that smaller one and I [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► actually I actually think that the [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► smaller one assuming that it charges at [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► the same rate I think the smaller one is [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► far superior to the the big fat one and [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► I wish that the ipad 3 would charge with [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► this moment oh yeah apple is always [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► making these wall wart smaller smaller [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► do you remember that I think the biggest [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► one they ever made and in this shape [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► like the little rounded corner [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► rectangles the one for like that maybe [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► was the original macbook pro intel it [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► was just gigantic was like 85 watt or [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► something it's huge and now you know [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► that for the iphone they've gotten them [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► down to being barely bigger than just a [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► plug would be you know barely bigger [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► than just a two prong plug with little [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► thing for you to grab so apples making [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► good progress in that area and all other [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► things being equal you but you'd want [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► the smaller one right why not yeah i [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► feel bad for our our friends overseas [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► they they suffer make many indignities [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► did you know some of them don't even [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► speak English that's what I heard how do [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► they use the I'd have fun if they don't [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► speak English I mean who's gonna talk to [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► him I don't know how they talk to each [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► other or though they talk to each other [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► yeah now that's cute all right at the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► next bit is about what you get when [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► you go into an apple store and they [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► replace something for you so we talked [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► about this two shows ago and then a [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► couple of anonymous current and former [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► apple geniuses wrote in to clarify and I [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► read some of the clarifications and was [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► a little bit confused by how they seem [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► to contradict our first theories and so [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► this week tons and tons of people former [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► apple geniuses current apple geniuses [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► apple authorized dealers current and [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► former just tremendous amount of [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► feedback i kept looking for the one [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► golden piece of feedback that would give [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► me like a bulleted list of exactly what [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► goes on i try to try to kind of merge [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► them all together but anyway here's [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► here's what I've got this is not [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► attributed to any person I think almost [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► everybody who wrote in wanted to be [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► anonymous anyway so this is a melange of [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► feedback and my attempt to put this [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► thing to bed maybe it's a foolish [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► attempt but here we go all right I'm [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► this I'm just going to read these things [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► off it Apple will attempt to perform [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► hardware repairs on Macs and replace [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► them with new product if unable to write [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► apple were rarely attempt to perform [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► hardware repairs on mobile devices and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► accessories and will replace them with [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► refurbished products when unable to one [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► unable to repair them defective mobile [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► devices are sent back to a central [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► repair facility where the devices are [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► refurbished and sent back to Apple [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► stores to be used as a replacement [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► devices so you got that like if you come [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► in with a mobile device and there's [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► something wrong with it and it can't be [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► repaired in the store it's sent to be [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► refurbished someplace else and then [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► those refurbished ones are sent back to [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► the Apple stores to be used as the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► replacement devices defective max that [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► can't be repaired our return and [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► returned by a customer and also sent [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► back to the Central Depot these macs are [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► refurbished but not sent back to the [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► Apple stores all right so if you have a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► Mac they can't fix it as whatever they [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► send it off to be refurbished depot [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► doesn't send them back the Apple stores [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► you cannot purchase used or refurbished [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► products at apple retail stores so you [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► know when we talk about refurbished [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► macbook pros and stuff like that i can't [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► buy them retail starts to have to be [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► online refurbished macs ipads and ipods [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► are only sold in apple's online store [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► apple never never sells refurbished [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► iphones anywhere all right they don't [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► anywhere and that's that's this that's [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► according to this melange your feedback [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► here all right so when they say went for [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► iPods [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► iPads and iPhones and mobile devices any [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► whole unit swap the part may be new or [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► remanufactured and for Apple [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► remanufactured means that every external [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► part that can be seen or felt by the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► customer is actually brand-new as is the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► battery internal parts like speakers [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► memory board stuff like that may be [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► refurbished and reuse from a prior [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► device so that's what when you go in and [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► they give you a replacement iphone what [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► you're getting is something that's been [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► remanufactured or may be new but [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► everything that you touch it is like new [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► brand new never been touched by another [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► person is just that the inside parts may [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► be refurbished except for the battery [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► which is always know which makes sense [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► because batteries wear out you can't [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► really remember refurbish those all [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► right and another note here any unit [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that the apple store receives that has [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► any liquid contact of any sort is [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► completely recycled no parts from it or [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► ever refurbished so as soon as liquid [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► enters the pictures those parts will [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► never go into another iphone so you're [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► not going to get a remanufactured one [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► like that there are circumstances where [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► you would replace your mobile device and [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► not end up with a remanufactured one for [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► example if Apple hasn't started [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► remanufacturing so if you go in with an [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► iPhone you like get a defective one or [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► you drop it or whatever and you i phone [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► 5 on me and you go back in you're going [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► to get a brand new one because they [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► haven't probably remanufactured on the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► iphone 5s left so you get you know just [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► you know Polly new because they don't [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► have any remanufactured ones if the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► customer is offered a crew CR you this [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► stands for customer replacement unit [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► this is where the geniuses decided that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► you've had far too many repairs on your [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► machine in order to restore your faith [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► and Apple he's decided to give you an [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► entirely new unit from the shelf and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► replace it this can happen at any time [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► in your warranty so this is dino just at [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► the discretion of the Apple Genius if it [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► looks like you're just going around in [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► circles stuff like that they can just [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► give you a new one customers never liked [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► hearing that their phone has been [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► remanufactured it's a difficult [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► conversation that they ask I mean even [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► if you can explain to them I imagine [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► like okay well you know the batteries [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► brand new or the outsides are brand new [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► everything is remanufactured and we [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► tested it and it's all fine they may be [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► cranky about it right we were this is [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► the Apple Store person we would often [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► say that all the service parts were [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► remanufacturers when in fact if a member [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► of the genius team wanted their phone to [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► be replaced we would always search [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► through the piles to see if we could [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► find one that had a serial number that [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► we knew [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► be a new phone so I guess if you're in [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the know if you're one of the geniuses [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► when you want to get your thing replaced [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► you can sort through which ones I [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► remanufactured insides of which ones [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► aren't now I don't know if that's a [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► rational thing to do and if you have any [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► better luck with the one with [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► remanufactured insides at vs new but [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► apparently there is a way for the people [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► on the inside to know so let me let me [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► ask you this let's say you let's say you [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► you bring an iphone in as a problem [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► let's say bought it the day before and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► it's it's a lemon it's got major [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► problems you rollin you say like this [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► the whole thing doesn't work and the [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► genius men's a few minutes with it and [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► says you know what you're right and [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► since you just bought it we're gonna [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► swap yeah this happens all the time yep [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you're saying just for total clarity [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► here you're saying that that we might [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► get a brand new phone or we might get a [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► phone that is remanufactured right but [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► the remanufactured means anything you [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► would touch or feel is brand new and the [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► insides might be old except for the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► battery which is also except for the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► battery now here's a question do and [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► maybe this came out in in your feedback [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► is there like a special pile of phones [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that should be used for replacement in [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► other words do they have a special [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► storehouse of this somewhere in the back [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that they go or they just grab a new the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► remanufactured phones like or anything [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► like that that's you know that it sent [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► off to be to the remanufacturing [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► facility and those come back not [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► necessarily assume to the same store but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► those come back and that's like here [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► please use these as your replacement son [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► hmm right so it's not you know and again [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► it doesn't there because you may they [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► may have none of that so then when they [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► need to replace like if you drive home [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► was bomb on the first day we're getting [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► a brand new one because there were no [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► remanufacturing remanufacturing takes [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► time right and so and of course there's [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► the the customer replacement unit thing [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► so it's difficult to tell like many [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► people said they always just say oh [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► they're all remanufactured which is not [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► necessarily true you may be getting a [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► brand new one you may not but it's [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► supposed to be you should make a [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► difference you know what I mean like it [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► it should look and feel brand new [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► because the outsides definitely are [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► brand new and so is the battery and it [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► should work as well as a regular one in [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► fact it's many people only the people [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► sent feedback said that these [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► remanufactured problems have a better [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► chance of being good than a brand new [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► one because only a small percentage of [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the iphones that come off the assembly [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► line are like extensively tested you [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► know and every possible and you just [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► can't you just can't test [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► five million um to the degree that you [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► can retest these Mary manufactured [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► phones so you know you can get a dead on [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► arrival thing whereas the chances are [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► very low that our remanufactured phones [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► going to be dead on arrival because it [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► had all its insides had were tested to [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► death to see if they could be used as [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► remanufactured parts power adapters [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► batteries headphones and cetera are [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► always brand new period no exceptions I [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► guess they're just too small and cheap [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► like it's not worth it three manufacture [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► them computer boards is a mixed bag of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► new memory furbished and you know all [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► them are tested and so on and so forth [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► and all parts are warrantied the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► remainder of your applecare warranty or [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► 90 days whichever is longer so there you [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► have it I hope we have put this issue to [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► bed entirely it is a complicated process [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and by the way I'm sure these policies [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► change and I'm sure all these policies [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► are subject to the discretion of the [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► store manager or whatever like you know [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you can always make exceptions so I [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► actually feel a little bit better about [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► you know if my phone was bad and I got a [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► remanufactured when I wouldn't feel that [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► bad about it because really what you [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► care about is like the outside looks [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► nice and everything and certainly the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► battery is new but like the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► remanufactured insides probably don't [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► bother me that much yeah I know that I [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► know you and I know that they bother you [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► a lot I'm not like because I'm on the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► same like I want something that's going [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► to be reliable and like how much human [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► attention has been paid to the insides [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► of a brand new iphone to make sure it's [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► a hundred percent reliable versus a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► remanufactured wonder you're actually [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► saying that you feel that maybe that [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► remanufactured ones are better yeah well [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► if you know again if there's no such a [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► design flaw in the products already [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► obscure thing that like at least at [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► least I know a human has totally like [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► I'm sure people were gonna feedback said [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► oh well you know in the assembly line [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► every component is tested and so on so [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► forth it just seems to me that you don't [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► have enough time to dedicate the kind of [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► human attention to testing the phones [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► that come off the assembly line as [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► compared the time you have dedicates [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► remanufactured phones I don't know I [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► haven't had a problem with any of my iOS [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► devices not even a bad home button [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► although the home button on my current i [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► buy that is a little wonky but not [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► enough for me to go to replace it and [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► it's out of warranty anyway so so there [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► you have it and I still haven't brought [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► my thunderbolt spray display back in [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► can we do our first sponsor so good [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► times yeah you go cough or whatever [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► you're gonna you don't sound as bad like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► when you first started you sounded awful [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► I'm muting all I cough oh okay our first [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► sponsor today is squarespace.com [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► everything you need to make an amazing [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► website fully hosted completely managed [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► doesn't matter what kind of sight you're [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► going to make I've told you about [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► features a lot so today I'm not going to [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► tell you about their features well maybe [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► i'll mention it it's like drag and drop [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► stuff you don't need to know CSS or HTML [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► or if you do you can become a developer [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► and you can SFTP or use get to tweak and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► modify and customize the templates or [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► build your own but that's not what i'm [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► going to tell you about the reason why [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► we use square space in the reason why [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► you might want to use Squarespace is it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► it's basically foolproof because I would [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► rather spend my time doing shows and [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► building this business then building [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► software to do something that is a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► solved problem and they've done a really [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► really good job at solving this problem [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► and they're gonna save you a lot of time [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► you need to worry about scaling you [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► don't need to worry about downtime you [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► don't need to worry about design even [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► and if you're building something for a [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► customer or client that you have you [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► want to deploy it you want to make sure [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► they're not going to screw it up that's [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► what customers sometimes do you can give [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► this to them and you can put it in front [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► of them and you know that they will not [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► mess things up because they can't really [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► great software really great company [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► behind it and they've been a great [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► support to us here love it if you would [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► go and check them out but you get what [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you pay for i say that all the time i [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► like to understand completely my [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► relationship with a company i don't i [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► don't think things should be free if [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► they're really good and they're [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► Squarespace is not free i mean it's free [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► to start out and try but it's 10 bucks a [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► month for a standard playing twenty [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► bucks for the unlimited plan if you sign [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► up for a year you get twenty percent off [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► you sign up for two years to get [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► twenty-five percent off and in either [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► case you get a free domain name with it [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► and if you use my code you're going to [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► get an additional ten percent off [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► whether you do the month-to-month thing [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► or not code is dan sent me ten because [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► there's october tenth month dan sent me [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► ten you can go to squarespace com / 5 by [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► 5 and even just going there will support [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► the show that's all you have to do is to [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► visit that URL supports the show but [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► consider signing a boy in there [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► squarespace com such five by five [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► what's next shot you know I think I will [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► do one more follow-up by them and then [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► we'll be then we'll move on okay could [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► we do this one quickly this is about the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► ipod touch wrist strap we talked about [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► one last show why does it have a wrist [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► strap why doesn't the phone never wrist [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► strap is it because kids used ipod touch [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► and kids drop it more will they will the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► strap because it can you imagine the [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► strap ever coming to the phone what [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► people use it all sorts of questions [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► like that and so here the lots of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► theories we got the number one piece of [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► feedback and i guess we didn't mention [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► this on the show is that the idea that [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the wrist strap is on the ipod touch [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► because cameras typically have wrist [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► straps and it's emphasizing the improved [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► camera on the ipod touch are emphasizing [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► it's used as a camera and so here are a [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► couple of variations in that theory Sam [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► I wrote in to say that the camera theory [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► is corroborated by the fact that the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► ipod touch page on the apple website [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► shows the strap only in the picture [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► promoting the improved camera so if you [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► go to the ipod touch page just like a [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► new taller screen and faster cpu and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► blah blah in a little section i say [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► better camera that's the only one that [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► shows it with the strap and it shows [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► that you know horizontal like a [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► point-and-shoot camera be with the strap [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Oh insane may also many people send us [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► feedback but Sam I did as well that we I [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► said the wrong price for the ipod touch [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► on the show it's not two hundred and [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► fifty dollars it's actually 299 but [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► that's only because only 32 and 64 [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► gigabyte models are available and so [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► those are the same prices they always [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► worth is just no more 16 gig model so [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► it's still I mean the bottom line is [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► still to get the good quote unquote the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► good new ipod touch the starting price [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► is higher than it was before but it's [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► actually three hundred not 250 but those [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► aren't in kudos aren't you know like [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► those aren't technically increases in [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► prices because they're the same as the [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► 32 and 64 although i'm still fairly [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► cranky about the memory sizes of these [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► ipods like how many years can you just [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► keep going with 16 32 and 64 and just [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► say oh like that's you know your Flash [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► RAM never gets cheaper mmm isn't that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► curious right like the 16 I'm glad to [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► get rid of the eights I feel like the 16 [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► should all be gone and there should be a [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► 128 there you know they just need to [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► shift them up a year maybe they don't [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► double them a year maybe they stay the [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► same for two years and crank up but [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► Apple is notoriously bad about [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that their previous really bad habit was [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► putting a ridiculously low amount of [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► stock ramener max which always boggled [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► my mind because I know their margins are [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► big on the RAM especially the for the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► crazy prices they charge and they make [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► up all their money in that you know but [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► it like it makes you it makes your own [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► product look worse it makes your [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► operating system look worse it makes [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► your apps look worse to have a ram star [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► Mac like when they were coming with like [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► now 22 gigs of RAM it's painful like [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► even know someone it's like hey I got a [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► new mac and you help me come set it up [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► and you go to their house and you're [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► like oh god you have two gigs and RAM [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► and so all these cool things that I wish [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► I could show you you're gonna be [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► grinding or crappy 5400 RPM like this is [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► old technology but you're gonna be [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► grinding here 5400 rpm laptop drive and [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► everything's gonna be really slow and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► you're gonna be disappointed and boy [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► this machine would really fly if it had [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► four or eight gigs of ram and replace [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► those numbers with whatever the modern [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► equivalents are Apple used to be [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► terrible about ran they're getting a [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► little bit better these days and what's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► this what do you think the thinking was [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► behind that John why why have such small [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► allotment of RAM music is that I think a [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► lot of the margin would be in the RAM [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► because you'd be like uh you know anyone [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► who knows anything would be like oh no [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► I'm not buying the stock Ram I'm always [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► gonna add more and if you're lazy to [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► sell I'll have apple add more and they [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► would charge you crazy markup on me [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► additional RAM and you know even nerds [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► are susceptibles that like I would [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► always buy my own third-party ran but [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► sometimes like I'm just doubling it from [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► four to eight on my wife's laptop i'll [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► just order from apple i know i'm losing [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► like 50 bucks but just you know you just [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► you just you know want to do it like all [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► my mac pros i always buy with the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► minimal not a ram in the by third-party [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► Rambis it was crazy to buy it you know [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► Apple daram was tremendously expensive [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► and they fully buffered dims that are in [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► these mac pros were you know incredibly [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► expensive to begin with and then apples [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► were twice that price and so that really [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► would start to add up but sometimes you [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► just get lazy and I think Apple knows [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► that I think Apple knows that people are [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► going to get talked out of the bargain [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► basement bottom line get the one with a [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► little more ram but I just I still see a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► lot of people with the bargain-basement [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► one that's not this is not a good [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► machine and make this makes apple look [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► bad they're making themselves look bad [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► so I'm glad to see them crank that up a [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► little bit I think they have the same [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► exact problem with iOS devices that n [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► eight gig device just makes apple look [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► bad because you put like three apps on [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► there with the stupid retina graphics [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► now your host right and even a 16 it's [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► I got a season of you know my favorite [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► TV show and nothing else yeah and then [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► feel then it's not so easy to manage [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► storage on iOS devices we all know this [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► like even experts have like I have how [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► do i free up some space it's not like [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► you you know that they try to keep you [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► from hosing yourself we just can't [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► randomly delete stuff I guess you can [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► delete apps but it's like well go to the [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► storage management which no one knows [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► where that is and see which apps taking [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► up more room and people might think oh [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► my god this this application is huge [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► it's not the applications just all the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► files associated with that application [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► are lumped into that application if you [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► just delete the files but maybe there's [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► no UI to do that you have to use itunes [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► and it's it's a problem so i think it [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► behooves Apple to crank up that flash [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► memory a little bit faster than they are [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► all right I Jim lipsy says that Apple [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► didn't add the wrist strap as a feature [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► of the ipod touch they added an [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► accessory mount point and included a [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► demo of what you can do with that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► accessory not point and he likens it to [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► the Kensington security slot like you [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► know what the he's saying the feature is [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► not the strap the feature is the little [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► bump out thing and hey you know that you [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► could do whatever you want with that an [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► apple says for example you can use a [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► strap I think that's interesting to see [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► if other you know third party accessory [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► manufacturers start releasing all sorts [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► of other things you can attach to that [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that thing I'm not sure quite how sturdy [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► that is I don't know if it's Kensington [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► security slots derby but someday I'll [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► see 1 i'll check it out barbour tada [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► tada says in Japan it's very common for [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► ladies to have multiple little charms [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► attached to their phone by the loop for [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► the wrist strap right so there you go [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► maybe that was partially influenced by [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► that the idea of what you want to attach [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► dangly things to it and by the way I'm [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► not a dangly key person and it seems to [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► me I don't want to be sexist here but it [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► seems to me that if you were to look at [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► the key ring or keychain of all the [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► males in the United States and all the [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► females there would be more dangly [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► things on the females key chains on [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► averages yeah absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► right and my producer how do you shaking [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► your head yes and and it's it's true her [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► keychain is like 20 30 feet long with [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► things looped on and she doesn't even [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► have a bad one if I mind is like the [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► minimum i have like one ring and the [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► idea that i have to have like my office [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► keys i even have a separate ring for [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► those because i don't want to schlep [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that around me [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► need it yeah like what's your key ring [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► look like John I love to see that I have [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► a single I have a good key ring story [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► but I'll savor for the after dark okay [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► but I just have a single metal ring with [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the only the keys that I need on it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► there are no accessories there are no [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► additional things it's as small as I [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► could possibly make it even that's too [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► you know that's too much I bet you get a [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► george costanza wallet don't you little [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► remote door opener thing for your car [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► those those are huge I don't like that [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► you've got a george costanza wallet [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► though five bucks says I do not know how [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► about you do I keep I keep it pretty [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► tight that will sit I'll be the judge of [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► that all right and finally Tom in some [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► says it doesn't matter which devices get [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► dropped the most what matters is what [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the purchaser thinks will be dropped the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► most adults buying themselves iPhones [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► probably think themselves competent and [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► safe but when buying touches for kids [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► maybe they want to strap so it's a sales [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► time feature that's another interesting [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► angle on it doesn't matter what gets [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► dropped more because I was we were [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► pondering that last show do ipod touches [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► get dropped more like Apple would know [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► based on like their repair rates maybe [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► they could say percentage of iOS devices [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that come back with damage from dropping [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► and maybe the ipod touch is way higher [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► than the iphone but he's saying it [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► doesn't matter what actually gets [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► dropped all it matters is what people [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► think we'll get dropped more so if [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you're going to buy your kid knight pod [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► touch the strap is a sales feature to [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► say oh don't worry it comes to the strap [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► whether the kid will ever use the strap [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► or whatever it's it's to get you over [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► the hump and buy the thing so i thought [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► that was an interesting angle I think [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► it's all we have on straps time to get [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► to today's topic we're doing pretty well [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► I think so far they are doing good [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► today's topic is saved over from last [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► week I want to talk about app net and [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► saved over from many many weeks ago I [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► want to talk about 10 20 that was in my [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► notes friend remember how long ago but [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► it's just I've just been dragging it [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► along and now finally the time is right [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► to talk about these two things again we [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► talked about apt than that on past shows [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► about their funding model about the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► Kickstarter like project we didn't [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► actually use Kickstarter about how I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► funded it but had my doubts about it all [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► sorts of stuff like that the reason it [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► comes up again or came up again last [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► week is because app.net started [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► something called the app that net [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► developer incentive program the link is [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► in the show notes this is a [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► system whereby app.net disperses money [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► to developers of app net clients and so [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► for this first thing that they're going [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► to be dispersing at least twenty [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► thousand dollars per month to eligible [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► app that net developers and it starts on [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► october first so that was a couple days [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► ago and here's the interesting parts the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the dollar amount will be allocated to [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► participating developers based on their [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► scores in relation to the total score [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► among participating developers so [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► basically if you are a user of the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► app.net service you know and you paid [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► some money to be user of the app that [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► service you have like a little slider [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► type thing as it shows all hero the apps [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► you used for this month the client apps [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► are at the net that you use adjust these [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► sliders based on how valuable you think [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► they are to you so it's not based on [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like how much you use them whatever you [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► just have sliders in sight you know [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► application number one that was the most [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► valuable to me i put the slider all the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► way to the right application number to [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► maybe do it halfway or whatever it i [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► don't think they have to add up to some [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► total it just like adjust the sliders [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► based on how valuable they think they [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► are obviously you didn't use an [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► application it won't show up on your [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► list of things that you used and i'm [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► assuming you get to do this after the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► month is over so you can't retro [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► actively go back and use an app that you [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► forgot to use or something so based on [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► how many people you know if I just comes [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► down to a ratio they add up all of those [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► scores and see who what the number one [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► most valuable and was the number two in [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the number three and figure out how they [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► break down percentage wise and they [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► divvy up the pot of money amongst the [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► applications according to the percent [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and right um so a couple of the points [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► in this this program is entirely [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► optional at you if you are a developer [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► out of apt on that clients and you don't [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► want to participate you don't have to it [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► just ignore it goes away developers are [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► free to monetize their applications [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► through their own mechanisms so this has [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► no effect on how you want to make money [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► from your app than that client you want [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► to sell it on the app store you want to [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► give it away for free you want it to be [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► open source you want to sell it from [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► your website you want to have [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► subscription like whatever you want to [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► do with your app that net client make [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► money however you want app then it [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► doesn't care you don't to participate in [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► this program you don't have to they say [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► this should we thought it was a bonus [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► for building software that app that [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► number members use in love [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► and the final point on their little back [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► here I think is really important one it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► says is important that users do not feel [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► pressured bullied or guilted into [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► providing feedback anyone who's used [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► ebay notice how this goes you must send [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► me feat five star feedback send me [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► feedback I need you to say I'm awesome [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► because John terrible right so you [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► cannot do that is that they say they're [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► for developers who attempt to influence [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► the incentive program by directly [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► soliciting votes from the users will be [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► suspended from the program so if you [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► even try to say hey guys don't forget [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► you know put my slider all the way up to [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► the end and say I'm super valuable at [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the end of that's it you're out of the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► program all right and I think these are [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► all excellent rules and this system is [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► definitely structured in a way that it [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► doesn't mess with anyone else's stuff [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► and you can totally ignore it if you [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► don't think it's important now what [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► surprised me about this like since the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► last week when this came out is that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► lots of people have come out against [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► this program and that surprises me [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► because it seems like you don't you [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► don't like it I don't don't use it and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► like a dick and it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► affect you one way or the other but it's [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► like the mere existence of this program [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► like poisons the well in some way and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► makes it makes the ecosystem for app net [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► client applications worse in some way I [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► just don't see that but I have put a [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► link to something written by Charlie [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► Kindel called ping developers is a bad [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► idea that is actually referencing the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► idea of like rim and Microsoft and stuff [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► like that trying to pay developers to [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► write for their sort of beleaguered [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► mobile platforms legitimate use of that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► term against non-apple companies [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► achievement unlocked hey write write [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► write your application port your [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► application to rim you know and we'll [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► pay you ten thousand dollars guaranteed [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► and bubbles so like so here's the [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► courtroom think paying developers to [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► target your platform is a sign of [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► desperation doing so I mean developers [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► have no skin in the game a platforms [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► were developed or not do not have skin [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► in the game is artificially propped up [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► and will not succeed in the long run [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► like I agree with all this like if you [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► if you can't get people to write apps [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► for your platform and you're a solution [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► is I'm going to pay you to do it that [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► seems bad to me but I feel like there's [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► a difference between that and what app [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that is doing because it's not like [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► they're it's not like app that the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► company is taking a lot of its own money [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► that came you know there's just like [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► part of their budget and paying people [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► out right please make an application for [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► us we'll give you ten thousand dollars [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► instead what they're doing is taking [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► some small portion of the money that [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► their users pay to use the service which [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► right away is totally different than you [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► know these companies who I guess maybe [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► they're taking money from people who buy [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► rim playbooks or something but it just [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► seems different to me because it's more [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► direct line and they're giving it to [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► people who are already like they're [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► already making applications and they're [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► giving it based on how much the users [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► like those applications so if someone [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► makes them alright fine we'll make a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► stupid part of our application to the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► rim playbook and it's a crappy port but [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► we don't care we get our money thanks [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► see you later all right if you make a [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► cruddy app that net application you're [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► not going to get any of this money [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► because no user is going to mark it as [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► valuable or even use it at all right so [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► i think the incentives are pretty much [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► correctly aligned and i also kind of [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► like the fact that it's a at least [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► initially a pretty small amount of money [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► twenty thousand dollars split among how [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► many possible applications it's not [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► going to make you rich or anything it's [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► just like a nice little bonus yeah i [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► think i think all of the incentives are [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► correctly aligned make an application [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► that people's like don't bug them about [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► it and if they actually like it to move [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the little slider up you get a little [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► money the end of the month like what's [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► what's so bad about that and you know [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and let them make their money however [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► they want let them sell through the [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► after like this this does not affect [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► their business at all right it remains [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► to be seen hat just how low profile will [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► be maybe no one will ever vote and so [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► like three people will vote and give and [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► the whole pot will go to like whatever [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► those three people liked maybe being [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► prompted to vote for which applications [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► you like to be done an intrusive and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► annoying way and it might annoy the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► people who use the service i don't know [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► at this point i think all the people [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► involved in app net are kind of like the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► participants like me and you and the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► other people it's all kind of a kumbaya [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► we're a bunch of nervous we don't love [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► each other type of thing and so we'll [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► all like be enthusiastic you'll be going [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► oh i love this app let me put my slider [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► up and I'm you know you know give [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► feedback to the apps we like that may [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► change if the the service ever becomes [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► really popular and this may seem to be [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► an annoyance is like I don't care which [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► perhaps get money I'm just never going [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► to look at that I just won't vote like [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► voting is not mandatory I assume [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► so I got actually got a little bit of [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► feedback about this from Dalton Caldwell [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the app that net founder and I asked him [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► there bro yeah I asked him if I could [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► quote him to quote his email on the show [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► but haven't heard back from so i can't [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► really quote can you paraphrase it i [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► mean basically he agrees with that the [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► thing that paying developers to write [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► for platform is a bad idea but he says [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► that's not what they're doing oh and he [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► actually tells a story about his [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► previous company where her rim and [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► Microsoft were actually wanted to pay [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► them to port their stuff over but they [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► turned him down because it just seemed [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► to get oh and this is not the same thing [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is it's more of a a way to reward [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► developers who build applications that [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► users like like that's the whole you [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► know everyone's incentives are aligned [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► we want users to be happy we want [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► developers to be happy if developers are [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► not making users happy then they don't [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► get anything no and presumably if a [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► developer is making a cruddy application [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► they would have trouble selling it as [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► well right what's the next part of this [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► I think the next thing I want to talk [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► about is did I put this in the show [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► notes this week was kind of a big weep [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► week for app net for an interesting [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► reason related to this now let's keep [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► them in suspense let's let's do the [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► second sponsor and then all right sighs [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► I'm I'm I'm this is a good topic all [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► right I mean they're all good John [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► shutterstock.com is over 20 million [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► stock photos they do vectors at the [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► illustrations a new video clips you're [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► looking for something if you're building [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► something you're building a website [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► you're building a presentation you want [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► to put something on some swag that you [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► want to you know give away in a show you [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► just need some color for your website [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► whatever it is go check these guys out [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► they've got photographers artists [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► illustrators all around the world it's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► not like it's you know Western centric [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► we got a lot of listeners over in Asia [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► did you know that young and there's [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► photos and stuff from all corners of the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► earth it doesn't matter you need you [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► need an image for a mock-up you're [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► working on go check these guys out [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► doesn't matter then what I really like [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► about them is they don't nickel and [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► diming they basically everything out [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► there it's one price it's always the [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► highest best quality you don't have to [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► pay [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► extra for that like many other sites [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► it's one deal and as you're browsing [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► around you don't have to open up a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► million tabs which I don't really like [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► they have a really cool lightbox you [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► just say oh I like this one checking [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► your lightbox and at the end you decide [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► what you want to keep what you want to [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► buy what package you want to put [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► together and done and even have an iPad [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► app for all of this stuff because they [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► like like the iOS people they have all [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► kinds of Licensing to that's another [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► question somebody's ask me they have [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► enhanced licenses so that if you want to [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► put something and print it or put it on [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► swag or use it and yeah you can get that [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► they offer that so here's what you do [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► for our listeners John you can get [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► thirty percent off any package once you [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► find the images you'd like and decide to [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► purchase again all they're all on board [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► with the stand sent me thing dan sent me [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► ten it's all you got to do [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► shutterstock.com dan sent me ten thirty [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► percent off and go check them out thanks [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► very very much there a new sponsor [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► shutterstock.com go check him out good [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► job correctly surmising that I was [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► blowing my nose when you yeah tried to [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► ask me outside your death I figured [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► something was going on so this thirty [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► percent the record for highest discount [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► offered on the show that's my baby that [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► is big alright kudos so the important [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► app.net happenings this week was they [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► won net bot was really hot and as you [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► might guess from the name if you are [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► familiar with tap BOTS makers of many [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► fine iOS products whose name and in bot [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► net bot is sort of an app that net [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► version of tweed bot which is an [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► extremely popular Twitter client for iOS [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► ah great your first of all this isn't [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► this is my iOS Twitter app of choice [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► it's also the app that I use on [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► application that I use them OS 10 and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► when this thing came out now in cuz just [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► just yesterday somebody started [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► complaining saying Dan for someone who [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► talks about app done that's what you [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► sure don't use it well she has haven't [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► had a good iOS app no offense to all the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► people have been making them but this is [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the one this is the one I've been [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► waiting for yeah i've been using a [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► app.net more than some of you other [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► people who are extremely widely followed [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► on app.net i might add anyway I've been [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► using it anyway that i can and before [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► there were iOS clients out there were [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► web clients that you could use an iOS [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► with a little you not just html5 web app [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► and make a little home screen icon for [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► it like short message with like the [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► vowels removed right that was actually [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► not bad it was actually pretty good i [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► was using it that way in iOS for a while [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► and then i started using river riv are [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► because that was a fairly recent maybe [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► like a week ago iOS client and like [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► goddesses it was pretty good it's better [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► than the web one but the reason net bot [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► is such a big deal is because tweetbot [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► is so incredibly popular and tap BOTS is [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you know I top-tier iOS developer not [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that I'm saying any of the people making [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the you know app that net was an [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► opportunity for people who are not well [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► known developers to make a name for [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► themselves like hey the very best [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► app.net client is blonde you've never [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► heard of these guys but they make the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► bet it's kind of the same way you know [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► icon factory made its name with [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► twitterrific or tap box for that matter [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► with tweet bot like you come onto the [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► scene in and enter a space that either [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► it hasn't isn't that crowded or you are [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► the head and shoulders above everyone [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► else and you become a name right and [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► then maybe like the next time some [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► social networking comes along people [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► want you to port your thing over there [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► the interesting thing about net bot is [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that net bot has been in development [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► long before this developer incentive [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► program was announced and you can tell [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► if you look at the like they have some [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► services that log which application [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► using to post to app net and there was a [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► very popular client whose clients string [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► was alpha my understanding is that that [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► was actually net bought in disguise you [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► know during the beta testing period so [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► that's been going on for a while like [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► they didn't jump in here when they said [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► oh $20,000 divided amongst ten different [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► client applications we got to get some [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of that know they sell the application i [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► think it's like three dollars or five [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► dollars or something they sell it on the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► iOS App Store and that's how they plan [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► on making their money and I think [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► they're doing pretty well if you look at [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the stats i wish i could find this page [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► with the thing of like what percentage [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► of post app that are made by which [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► clients and number one with a bullet is [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► net bot and its previous incognito alias [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► alpha and everybody who is doing that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► paid money to get net bought and the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► good thing about app that net is that [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► everybody who's on app.net paid money to [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► be on app.net so they've proven they're [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► willing to pay money for the service and [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► what's you know a couple more bucks [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► now I'm bought net bought as well I have [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► a tremendous number to our clients I [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► have tweetbot I have twitterrific I have [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► a bunch of other ones that have long [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► since been deleted off my phone that i [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► bought back in the day all I back to [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► like twinkle do you remember that one [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► mmm vaguely they would be so not within [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► the the developer guidelines to Twitter [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► because they were like trying to build [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► their own social network on the back of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► twitter anyway i buy lots of Twitter [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► clients but and I buy them because [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► they're a couple bucks and I want to try [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► them out but I have not ever really [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► truly left my first love we just were [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► terrific on both the mac and on iOS so [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► I've had tweet bottom my phone forever I [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► just don't use but net bot is I think [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► the at least the most polished app.net [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► client I was about to say twitter client [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► on the phone available now I would still [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► love to have twitterrific available um [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► on the iOS instead of net pot I know [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► they were called a peripheral something [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► like that operation there you go that'd [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► be a good one hey I'm gonna put that out [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► there apparition good name for an apt on [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► that client go for it serious run yeah [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► someone I'm just nice guy John I know [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► someone did avian a dia n which is a [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► play on eight the letter a letter D [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► letter n for appt net that was a cute [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► name oh I was using was it rhino or [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► something like that before that yeah III [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► this is the magic of the iOS app so do [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► you think about it like you know people [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► that go you know if they know me that I [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► Coheed you only use twitterrific yeah [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► but I buy all the other applications cuz [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► they're like three bucks and it's like [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► huh you know you never know how are you [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► gonna know like there's no trials so it [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► makes you go alright well buy it like it [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► you know it may seem like i'm only [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► supporting twitterrific but i buy every [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► other half anyway and they don't i bet [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► those people enjoy me buying their [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► applications than not using them because [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► i don't bug them with with feedback but [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► speaking of bugging with feedback people [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► may be wondering this is a little bit of [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► a tangent here but why what what's the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► difference between a net bot and a [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► theoretical twitterrific thing why do I [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► use Twitter Africa not and not tweet but [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► when I for Twitter what's the big deal [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► what's the big is like just because the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► graphics like a lot of people the bots [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► you know the tap BOTS graphics are very [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► sort of they do a custom ui's [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► really nice but is kind of heavy it's [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► not like a minimalist interface you know [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► they they do their own thing and then [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► make their own widgets and they would [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► just look really cool but they are kind [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► of heavy and some people don't like that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► heaviness so they don't like that it [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► doesn't look native like that doesn't [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► look like apples other application looks [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► like it looks like a tweet bot advocate [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► or a tap wats application so you like [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► that are you doing that's kind of an [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► aesthetic choice but that's not what [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► keeps me away from tweetbot what keeps [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► me away from tweet pot and what makes me [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► wish I had twitterrific frap net is that [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► I want what I call for lack of a better [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► term a unified timeline and for all the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► people who are making app that net [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► clients since day one I've been like [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► okay guys like I know you're all making [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► apps I net clients I would like to use [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► your clients but i would like a unified [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► timeline so the first person to make a [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► client with the unified timeline is [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► going to get my you know my business if [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► they sell it or my enthusiastic support [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► if they don't sell it all just say oh [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► you know people use people ask me what [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► what client are using to readapt net and [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► if you make me one with unified timeline [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► i will use your client and so I used a [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► series of app.net clients for the mac in [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the beginning but none of them offered a [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► unified timeline and then finally wedge [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► did and that's the one I'm currently [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► using on the Mac I should put it get a [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► URL for that like is like wedge net Nate [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► sm com here asking me I don't know it is [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► wedge dot Nate Steadman calm Nate [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Steadman why would I know that his [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► handles Nathan o course named Aiden made [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► Steadman yeah well you make it make a [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► name for yourself I'd never heard of [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► Nate Steadman before uh but now who [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► doesn't know Steadman I mean he's the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► nice and he made an app that neckline [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► which is you know interesting and it [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► looks like a lot of the other clients [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► but the big feature it has the unified [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► timeline now what do I mean by that what [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► I mean by unified timeline is on both [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► Twitter and app.net and I these similar [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► services I many applications I would say [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► most application at this point let you [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► choose what you're viewing so you can [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► view what they usually call your [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► timeline which is the the posts from the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► people you follow and also includes the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► posts that you make all right and then [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► there's another usually a tab or a [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► button or a view or some other screen [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that you change to that shows replies [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► and or mentions where these are people [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► you don't follow but they wrote [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► at whatever your handle is in the name [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► or they reply directly to you sometimes [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► those are distinguished like a direct [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► reply versus someone that just mentioned [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► your name in the middle of a post it's [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► so hard not to call these tweets and [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► that that is what i say is a non unified [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► thing so a unified timeline is what [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► twitterrific has and by the way [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► twitterrific was i believe the very [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► first twitter twitter client application [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► that wasn't a website i could be wrong [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► on this but if it wasn't the first it [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► was surely the first prominent one and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► it ad from day one what I call unified [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► timeline which is that the post from the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► people you follow and also the post from [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the people who mentioned your name are [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► replied to you are in a single list [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► sorted chronologically and they're [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► color-coded and stuff so you could see [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► like oh this is a reply so you can tell [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► it why am I seeing this is because [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► someone mentioned my name versus this is [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► a post from somebody who I follow and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► anytime I mentioned a unified timeline [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► lots of people say I don't like unifying [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► timeline I please don't listen to this [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► person because I just make requests you [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► know anyone who makes a cool client like [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► hey I'd love it if you had a huge fight [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► timeline guys and then other people say [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► don't listen to him I don't want a [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► unified timeline don't put that in there [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► I mean you know we all we all can [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► petition developers to make the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► application we want and the developers [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► decide what you're doing is fine but [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► it's really not an either-or proposition [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► because a lot of these applications [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► wedge included have like a little [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► sidebar thing that is icons like a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► little @ sign that shows your replies [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► and like a little house icon that shows [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► like your timeline and there's just [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► another icon that has a house with a [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► little adnate that shows them both [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► combined like it's just an additional [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► view on the stream of things that are [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► happening in iOS kinds it's a little bit [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► harder because sometimes it's like well [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► we don't have a room for another button [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► there and so we have to choose do we [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► include replies in the single stream or [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► not and so maybe they might not want to [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► add that me knows I developers can make [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► the applications they want to make and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► if you look at the the Twitter [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► applications out there I believe most of [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► them do not have unified timelines but [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the thing I'm always stressing the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► people in discussing is a unified Taman [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► is not some crazy thing that I made up [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► it's what twitterrific did since day one [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► the the grandfather of all Twitter [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► clients and I've been using it since day [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► one and I like it and so this is big [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► this just reflects the way that you in [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► particular have always used Twitter you [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► use twitter yeah [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► almost like a it's an email client of [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► sorts for you yeah that's one of the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► questions from from developers is like [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► Oh asking me because I'm the prominent [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► person complaining about it what what is [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► it about a unified timeline that you [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► like I think you've actually mentioned [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► this on past shows and it's pretty [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► simple answer for me I just want to [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► check one place for stuff it drives me [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► crazy to to read you know Twitter or [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► wrap the nut or whatever and say I gotta [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► look at my timeline then I gotta look at [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► my replies they don't look at my [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► timeline I gotta look at my replies I [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► want to see one list of stuff that I'm [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► working my way through like 1q it's like [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► why why separate your York you into two [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► separate things uh it's one place to [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► check right and the other part of it [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► since I tend to get a lot of replies [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► from people who I don't follow mostly [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► because I followed very few people and [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► you know second because I have a lot of [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► followers and so they'll reply to me and [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► I converse with them like I'm I'm not [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► just looking at the replies with [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► curiosity I reply back to them and with [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► it with a split timeline my replies to [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► them show up in the timeline but their [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► replies to me show up on this other pain [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► like they're not interleaved so it's [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► hard to keep track of the conversation [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► if they were all on one thing i could [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► see i say this then you say that then i [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► say this then you say that and you say [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► that then i said this right it's like a [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► conversation in a single place instead [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► of being split up into two panes then i [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► have to reconcile them by date stamp [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► which is hard because they we say like [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► to em for two minutes ago or something [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► and you have to you know which one was [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► refreshed at the right time and all [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► those numbers updating real it's crazy [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► making to me now when I think about I [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► talked about this originally on the show [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► I said that the only not the only the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► general reason but a reason that I could [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► see that you would definitely want to [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► split things if you have tremendous no [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► deliver falls like I have a lot of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► followers but not like you know famous [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► person number of followers like if you [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► have like a hundred thousand followers [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► or a million followers or whatever [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► you've got to have those replies on a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► separate tab and those mentions on a [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► separate n because otherwise you'll [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► never be able to read anything than [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► people you follow and maybe lots of [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► famous people don't read anything from [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► the people they fall anyway but you know [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► the Gruber was my example he's got to [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► have his replies on a separate tab [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► because anytime he post anything is a [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► thousand replies and he would it would [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► destroy his timeline for him like if [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► every time you post anything 500 people [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► may contain replies to you or not or not [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► not a name even you know thoughtful [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► replies you can't read your timeline [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► anymore because it's just totally filled [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► with reply so [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I feel is a very legitimate reason to [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► absolutely want to have replies and [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► mentions separate there are there many [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► other reasons including just personal [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► preference that you want them separate [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► like that's just the way you want to do [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► it but that is a strong reason but it [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► still seems weird to me that the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► dominant metaphor has become two [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► separate places because i see i can [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► imagine all these people you know [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► checking the two places for each thing [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► like it you know people don't like have [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the check both twitter and app.net and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► i'm getting annoyed by that too right [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► but Twitter is Terms of Service don't [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► allow unified client and blah blah blah [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► anyway but now you're making yourself [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► how to check for places you've got to [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► drek your Twitter timeline your Twitter [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► mentions and replies then your app then [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► at timeline then your app that mentions [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► in replies and one of them highlights [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► but the other one doesn't and you're [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► switching back and forth them adjust I I [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► do not like it so I'm very happy that [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► wedge provides a unified timeline and I [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► would love it if an iOS client would [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► provide a unified timeline it doesn't [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► mean that that client has to provide it [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► is the default it doesn't mean that it [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► has to remove any of the other views you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► know I'll take what I can get make it [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► make it a preference make it a another [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► button on a toolbar you know whatever [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► you want to do you know for example [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► twitterrific has a separate view for [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► mentions as well I never use it but it's [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► there if that's what you want so I [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► really hope that in the diversity of [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► developers out there making clients wrap [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that knot that somebody on iOS does this [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► and I would encourage the people who [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► like who do it the other way to give the [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► unified timeline a try because i think [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► it's not going to be as crazy as i think [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it's going to be especially if you don't [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► get a ton of replies it like it just you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► know it just makes it have one place [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that you're going to check I've [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► certainly tried the other way for a lot [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► like basically every other client that I [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► try is it has split and like a now I'm [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► using net bought as my main app.net [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► client right split like so I'm doing it [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that way I'm not like I'm basing this on [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► like fear of the unknown I have many [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► many years experience using the split [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► timeline so i would encourage people who [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► use a split time when to give a unified [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► want to try and where can you do that [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► well twitterrific on the mac or on iOS [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► or if you're not done that try wedge do [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► you have any predictions on the [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► possibility of a twitterrific type [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► app.net client from our friends over it [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► icon fat gun factory well that's the big [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► thing about net pot coming in like so [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► we've had these app that net accounts [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like me you just mention people saying [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► oh you're on at the net but you never [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► use it right and one thing is like well [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► I'm not using it because they didn't [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► find a client that alike or just haven't [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► worked it into my workflow or it's like [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► annoying to check to place like I'm [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► already on Twitter to have to check two [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► places but someone is prominent as tap [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► BOTS coming in with such a well-known [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► property as the you know net bot tweet [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► but type brand that says all wait a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► second this app that net thing might not [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► be a joke it's not just a bunch of crazy [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► nerds and a bunch of like first time [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► developers trying to hack stuff together [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► here some serious stuff was going on uh [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and the interesting thing is I would [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► imagine that doesn't cause a flood of [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► new users all it does is make all the [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► users who page 50 bucks like a month ago [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► like wake up and go what bring a pots [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► made a client paramedical alright i [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► guess i can use this service now oh I'll [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► put it on I'll put it on my phone I note [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► at lies i use tweetbot i love it i'll [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► just put it next to the tweet by now i [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► got the the blue nightmare duck and the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► gray nightmare done nice man i'm [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► terrified by that icon i think it's i [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► think it's horrifying uh it became [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► beautifully drawn my objection is to the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► to the concept of giant robo duck with [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► big orifice anyway and it great and the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► middle the orifice uh and so the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► activity on that that has exploded in [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► like the past couple of days I mean [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you've noticed that oh yeah totally it's [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► it's great and I'm like it used to be [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► that I would look at at that end they'll [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► be like to post since yesterday now [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► keeping up with that but net sometimes [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► is more activity there than in my [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► Twitter for you now granted you know in [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► the microcosm of my nerd world yeah all [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► my nerd friends and the people i follow [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► were like over enough net whereas just [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► Joe random person has never heard of [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► that the net and none of the people who [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► follow her over there but in the nerd [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► world activity really picked up and I've [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► got to think it's not because a flood of [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► new people decided to pay thirty-six [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► bucks or five bucks a month for app that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► net I think what it is is people already [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► paid woke up and start using the account [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► they already had and I think that's a [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► tremendously important milestone in the [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► history of app net is that they got like [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► a top-tier developer to bless their [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► service now her icon factory get back to [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► your question I'm sure liked at BOTS [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► they had decided what their plan was [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► trapped on that long ago before the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► developer incentive program and [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► certainly like before the new with the [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► other developers I don't think they were [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► talking to each other and go [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► factor you can do that net because we [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► might do it like I don't I would imagine [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► they don't have that type of [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► communication but who knows but i think [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► the calculus for tap BOTS probably was [TS]