The Incomparable

168: A Different Kind of Sleeper Agent


00:00:00   the incomparable 160 hey remember 2013 [TS]

00:00:09   welcome back to the incomparable i'm [TS]

00:00:13   your host Jason snail and i'm joined by [TS]

00:00:14   a a cast of people who have decided that [TS]

00:00:17   even other mom told them the TV rots the [TS]

00:00:19   brain basis they thought that lets a [TS]

00:00:21   little rots I could watch TV [TS]

00:00:24   it's that we're going to talk about the [TS]

00:00:26   fall TV season returning shows new shows [TS]

00:00:29   but we're liking what we're not liking [TS]

00:00:31   so that you can listen to the show file [TS]

00:00:33   it away listen to it in three years when [TS]

00:00:35   these things come on net six so or maybe [TS]

00:00:39   you can watch them right now joining me [TS]

00:00:41   are four gentlemen who all had let their [TS]

00:00:45   brains right by watching television [TS]

00:00:47   first off its he made you may know him [TS]

00:00:50   as the guy who writes things but he also [TS]

00:00:52   watches TV David Laura hi David hi [TS]

00:00:58   yeah I need something to sort of wind [TS]

00:01:00   down not the writing turn off your brain [TS]

00:01:02   exactly a little TV [TS]

00:01:05   yes people told me you know you know [TS]

00:01:08   kids who watch too much TV they're going [TS]

00:01:10   to be a literal they're not gonna be [TS]

00:01:12   able to write anymore which is why you [TS]

00:01:14   know I am illiterate and don't write [TS]

00:01:16   anything [TS]

00:01:17   dan Morin is also here Dan also is known [TS]

00:01:20   for watching television most but [TS]

00:01:21   particularly supernatural but he does [TS]

00:01:24   watch other programs to hide and the TV [TS]

00:01:27   that's what I thought [TS]

00:01:29   finally the real day and I get can't be [TS]

00:01:31   on a show without you making fun of [TS]

00:01:32   supernatural cheese [TS]

00:01:33   nope they watch supernatural I have you [TS]

00:01:35   know this for a fact i have several [TS]

00:01:37   episodes of it [TS]

00:01:38   yeah i'll talk about it later okay Andy [TS]

00:01:42   and Nicole is also here at a Renaissance [TS]

00:01:44   man and even people in the Renaissance [TS]

00:01:46   had lower art that they watched as well [TS]

00:01:48   as higher art now Weekend Television up [TS]

00:01:50   and we can do not know who is here hi [TS]

00:01:52   Andy [TS]

00:01:53   I just want to say that I my rod is more [TS]

00:01:56   like mulch and that it's too late for me [TS]

00:01:59   but hopefully it will cause newer and [TS]

00:02:01   lively register register administration [TS]

00:02:03   to do to bloom sure sir you seem to be [TS]

00:02:08   that that's that's the condescending [TS]

00:02:09   tone of voice Jason's a very very poor [TS]

00:02:11   way to start date duration is a [TS]

00:02:13   difficult word well I've only had like [TS]

00:02:15   three coats over 90 x 90 let me read [TS]

00:02:18   those myself but watching TV right now [TS]

00:02:20   all my mockery of television which I [TS]

00:02:22   love and watch way too much of and have [TS]

00:02:24   watched historically way too much of it [TS]

00:02:25   is just a lead-in to the fact that Scott [TS]

00:02:28   McNulty is here [TS]

00:02:29   the man who's read every book and not to [TS]

00:02:31   be stopped he is also watched many TV [TS]

00:02:33   shows hi Scott [TS]

00:02:35   if there's one thing I love as much as [TS]

00:02:36   books its television [TS]

00:02:38   wow that's saying something that's [TS]

00:02:40   impressive is true and i love book TV on [TS]

00:02:42   c-span it's my favorite show [TS]

00:02:43   I'm sure we would have to be it's [TS]

00:02:46   inevitable strip it's got have you ever [TS]

00:02:48   used like your big big like living room [TS]

00:02:50   TV to read books on just like in that [TS]

00:02:52   AT&T TV the future commercial for like [TS]

00:02:54   1998 yes and then I hear Tom Selleck in [TS]

00:02:58   my voice saying you will thats that's [TS]

00:03:00   just magnum p.i on the TV that's a deep [TS]

00:03:02   cut their wa tul and commercial and my [TS]

00:03:05   day television was called books [TS]

00:03:07   yes thank you Peter Falk thank you [TS]

00:03:09   Columbo TVs colombo oh just one more [TS]

00:03:12   thing Jason yeah [TS]

00:03:14   yes thank you TV Steve Jobs I can't [TS]

00:03:17   yeah alright so faulty I used to be all [TS]

00:03:22   the show started to fall now shows [TS]

00:03:24   around in the spring around the summer i [TS]

00:03:26   believe behind the change their on a [TS]

00:03:28   crazy time but still there are many [TS]

00:03:31   shows the debut in the fall and I think [TS]

00:03:33   that this is always a good time to talk [TS]

00:03:34   about kind of a grab bag here in the [TS]

00:03:36   incomparable instead of diving deep on [TS]

00:03:38   One Show we cover a bunch of the stuff [TS]

00:03:40   that's on and and it's that's been on [TS]

00:03:43   and that with this caught our fans in [TS]

00:03:45   some way so i think we should start by [TS]

00:03:47   talking about if there was an [TS]

00:03:50   anticipated geeky TV show for the fall [TS]

00:03:53   it was the joss whedon co-created and [TS]

00:03:57   produced ABC's Marvel's agents of sdhc [TS]

00:04:02   ID'd LD agents of shield Thomas musical [TS]

00:04:06   when you say like that [TS]

00:04:07   yes it is it is give me an S might be [TS]

00:04:12   better as a musical couldn't be worse [TS]

00:04:14   I how I feel so I i'm a huge just Whedon [TS]

00:04:19   fan [TS]

00:04:19   and I i like so much of what he does and [TS]

00:04:24   and buffy the vampire slayer is my [TS]

00:04:27   favorite TV show of all time and I was [TS]

00:04:29   excited to see him get a major Network [TS]

00:04:32   show with real support from the network [TS]

00:04:34   in the studio and he's got the clout to [TS]

00:04:36   sort of do this after the after the [TS]

00:04:39   success of the Avengers and then we got [TS]

00:04:44   this show that is like it's just not [TS]

00:04:48   very interesting and it feels at times [TS]

00:04:51   like like I'm watching an episode of [TS]

00:04:55   like the a-team what happened you had [TS]

00:05:00   created that charm out the blowing up of [TS]

00:05:02   as much stuff and the cool van and they [TS]

00:05:05   don't build stuff and really the [TS]

00:05:06   interesting characters [TS]

00:05:08   yeah and and the comedy so what's what's [TS]

00:05:10   wrong what's wrong with agents i'll [TS]

00:05:13   start and then maybe we can go around [TS]

00:05:14   because I think we'll have a a lot of [TS]

00:05:16   them to choose from here [TS]

00:05:17   what's wrong with agents of shield i'll [TS]

00:05:19   start and say I think one of the [TS]

00:05:21   problems with agents of shield is that [TS]

00:05:23   they took clark gregg as Coulson who's [TS]

00:05:25   this character that everybody likes from [TS]

00:05:27   the movies and he's a secondary [TS]

00:05:28   character and he's the every man and man [TS]

00:05:30   the star of the show which I thought was [TS]

00:05:31   a great move because he's a very [TS]

00:05:32   likeable character and for whatever [TS]

00:05:35   reason whether it's because they've got [TS]

00:05:37   this sort of story arc or because [TS]

00:05:38   they're just afraid of making him to [TS]

00:05:40   human he's really boring he's like wise [TS]

00:05:45   and he always he always knows what's [TS]

00:05:47   going on he's got he's got a you know he [TS]

00:05:50   doesn't feel like a regular character to [TS]

00:05:52   me he feels like this kind of archetypes [TS]

00:05:54   been dropped down is like will Colson [TS]

00:05:55   always knows everything and he's always [TS]

00:05:57   going to end up on there on the right [TS]

00:05:58   side here and he's and they made a [TS]

00:06:00   boring and and so we left when without [TS]

00:06:03   him [TS]

00:06:03   were left with the rest of the cast and [TS]

00:06:05   those characters aren't very interesting [TS]

00:06:07   either and I was hoping that that [TS]

00:06:08   Coulson would be the thing that would [TS]

00:06:10   allow us to really get access to this [TS]

00:06:11   world and as much as I like the actor [TS]

00:06:15   and I like the character in the other [TS]

00:06:17   movies in the show he's just sort of [TS]

00:06:19   passive and and and you know and again [TS]

00:06:23   he makes these kind of wise [TS]

00:06:24   pronouncements and things like that but [TS]

00:06:26   he's never he never gets really gets [TS]

00:06:28   dirty you never feel like you know [TS]

00:06:32   this guy's a real you know more [TS]

00:06:34   well-defined character he's just kind of [TS]

00:06:36   there so that's one that's that's the [TS]

00:06:39   one thing that jumped out at me as i [TS]

00:06:40   think that the whole Coulson thing which [TS]

00:06:42   i thought was an asset is actually a [TS]

00:06:43   liability [TS]

00:06:45   what other people think Scott you you [TS]

00:06:47   renounce the show after about four [TS]

00:06:49   episodes i did because the the fifth [TS]

00:06:52   episode i think i don't know which [TS]

00:06:53   episodes with the one with the guy who [TS]

00:06:55   had he was a street magician magician [TS]

00:06:58   scorch yeah i stopped watching that like [TS]

00:07:01   fire guys like this I've hit my limits [TS]

00:07:04   of crappy TV you were gone I deleted it [TS]

00:07:07   from my my tivo season pass and it was [TS]

00:07:10   gone made episode mid episode even i [TS]

00:07:12   would say the first quarter of the [TS]

00:07:14   episode of what I couldn't understand [TS]

00:07:15   watching this show was a white was so [TS]

00:07:20   bad would be it just under expert on how [TS]

00:07:24   to make a TV show look good but this TV [TS]

00:07:26   show just looked cheap to me I don't [TS]

00:07:28   know why he was lighting and something [TS]

00:07:31   about it just makes me I watched like [TS]

00:07:32   the black list that looks like a little [TS]

00:07:34   movie that they shot for TV and i watch [TS]

00:07:37   Marvel agents of shield and it looks [TS]

00:07:39   like a sitcom with boring characters and [TS]

00:07:42   somebody sets things on fire [TS]

00:07:44   it's surprisingly it feels surprisingly [TS]

00:07:46   cheap and I've heard lots of theories I [TS]

00:07:48   heard somebody say that they think it's [TS]

00:07:49   the way it's shot in the end the way it [TS]

00:07:51   Sal it is that it's this sort of like [TS]

00:07:52   sitcom me everything is really well-lit [TS]

00:07:55   when it could be more moody and I think [TS]

00:07:57   there's some truth to that that it that [TS]

00:07:59   it doesn't feel cinematic in any way it [TS]

00:08:02   feels really flat and and and bright and [TS]

00:08:05   you know II III think that's one reason [TS]

00:08:08   it does feel cheap it feels like they [TS]

00:08:10   got they went so far down the well we [TS]

00:08:11   can't do a superhero every week because [TS]

00:08:13   we don't have the budget and they ended [TS]

00:08:15   up with something that's just like like [TS]

00:08:16   I said the a-team it's like a no-budget [TS]

00:08:18   action show it will have to make it [TS]

00:08:21   super it doesn't take that much budget [TS]

00:08:23   to do a superhero every week I feel like [TS]

00:08:25   even there's plenty of shows that our [TS]

00:08:27   special effects heavy but don't have to [TS]

00:08:29   rely on the crutch of special-effects I [TS]

00:08:31   mean yeah that's like saying but he [TS]

00:08:33   didn't have enough budget to do a [TS]

00:08:34   monster every great like you there's [TS]

00:08:36   clever ways to get around that if you [TS]

00:08:39   here are willing RL into narrow you know [TS]

00:08:42   the psychological aspect of it rather [TS]

00:08:43   than just the you [TS]

00:08:45   look flashy special effects right and I [TS]

00:08:47   mean it's clearly a stylistic choice is [TS]

00:08:48   sooo but i don't know why they would [TS]

00:08:50   pick it because it just looks like crap [TS]

00:08:52   specially because a lot of people point [TS]

00:08:54   out there's you know there's like a [TS]

00:08:55   really deep bench in marvel that you hit [TS]

00:08:57   like all right you know hey there's all [TS]

00:08:58   these characters were never going to use [TS]

00:09:00   for anything [TS]

00:09:01   let's not use any of them yeah the the [TS]

00:09:04   big problem is that this the show just [TS]

00:09:06   does not have a reason to exist [TS]

00:09:08   corporate synergy is a reason that it's [TS]

00:09:10   exactly it's like you start on it's like [TS]

00:09:13   we it's like somebody's really really [TS]

00:09:14   like bad like American International [TS]

00:09:16   pictures from the sixties we can see [TS]

00:09:19   that the premise of the movie is some [TS]

00:09:21   guy knew another guy who could get them [TS]

00:09:23   access to the sets from this really [TS]

00:09:25   really expensive Egyptian movie and so [TS]

00:09:27   they said what can we do with like an [TS]

00:09:28   interior pyramid set a car and a [TS]

00:09:32   restaurant set and that's the movie they [TS]

00:09:34   made it's like I think this movie [TS]

00:09:36   started off because they have this [TS]

00:09:38   practice popular pop property the [TS]

00:09:40   avengers from the movie [TS]

00:09:42   let's find a way to take everything that [TS]

00:09:43   everybody already knows about that and [TS]

00:09:46   basically transplant that into a TV [TS]

00:09:48   series and will have the character that [TS]

00:09:49   people are familiar with and the basic [TS]

00:09:51   premise that people are familiar with [TS]

00:09:53   but no other reason for this thing to [TS]

00:09:54   exist and there are better decisions [TS]

00:09:56   that he could have made right i mean [TS]

00:09:57   I'll unless the studio very specifically [TS]

00:10:00   said we want this concept I sort of got [TS]

00:10:02   the had the assumption that Joss Whedon [TS]

00:10:04   was asked to deliver a TV series in this [TS]

00:10:06   world and he chose this [TS]

00:10:08   well they're on a plane and their agents [TS]

00:10:10   and all that but it's carpet women's [TS]

00:10:12   that's what it is [TS]

00:10:13   well and even there that I've seen [TS]

00:10:14   shield ish stories there was a marvel [TS]

00:10:16   comic and I wish I remember the name of [TS]

00:10:19   it but it was it was a it was a sort of [TS]

00:10:22   a SHIELD agent keen up team up but they [TS]

00:10:23   like fought you know giant monsters and [TS]

00:10:26   things like that it was a really fun [TS]

00:10:28   kind of thing or you take yes some other [TS]

00:10:30   group you do you know the Runaways or [TS]

00:10:32   you do set which Joss Whedon wrote some [TS]

00:10:34   issues of but instead there's the it's [TS]

00:10:36   this bizarre kind of like flavorless [TS]

00:10:39   premise inside this this universe and [TS]

00:10:42   then Marvel just recently announced the [TS]

00:10:43   deal with Netflix we're gonna make [TS]

00:10:45   daredevil and jessica jones and and Luke [TS]

00:10:48   Cage and Iron Fist mini series on [TS]

00:10:51   netflix and and I look at agents of [TS]

00:10:54   shield now and I think wow [TS]

00:10:56   no really why does this show exists in [TS]

00:10:59   this kind of flat boring format you [TS]

00:11:01   could even done it in a different way I [TS]

00:11:02   mean like you know looking at the [TS]

00:11:04   trailers like the upcoming captain [TS]

00:11:05   america would be like there's like you [TS]

00:11:06   could do the intrigue angle like I think [TS]

00:11:09   to a certain extent they try to do too [TS]

00:11:10   much like hey we can do superheroes and [TS]

00:11:13   spy stuff yeah all this and it's like [TS]

00:11:15   you know what you need to pick an idea [TS]

00:11:17   and go with that right and then the [TS]

00:11:19   other and the other thing is also the [TS]

00:11:21   one the other thing that really annoys [TS]

00:11:22   me about it was that it presumes that [TS]

00:11:24   well of course this person has seen [TS]

00:11:26   every single Marvel movie and they've [TS]

00:11:28   read all the comic books we don't have [TS]

00:11:30   to give them a self-contained [TS]

00:11:31   entertainment unit because if they're if [TS]

00:11:34   they don't know what extremists [TS]

00:11:35   technology is or if they don't know who [TS]

00:11:36   that dude is that's just an excuse to go [TS]

00:11:38   and spend twenty dollars to buy this DVD [TS]

00:11:40   or blu-ray that's it will win [TS]

00:11:42   I don't know I i think that i think [TS]

00:11:43   actually that they're not leaving if [TS]

00:11:45   you're going to leave me and lean all [TS]

00:11:46   the way the fact that you say well this [TS]

00:11:47   is extremists like well okay and if you [TS]

00:11:49   don't get it i is a great sapphire guys [TS]

00:11:51   a lame guy with fire in his hand [TS]

00:11:54   it doesn't really matter that that's [TS]

00:11:55   tied in iron man 3 and and yeah the the [TS]

00:11:59   one thing I i look at this you know this [TS]

00:12:02   is marvel but it's ABC and it's disney [TS]

00:12:04   and solve for the same company right [TS]

00:12:06   I i I'm interested by the fact that [TS]

00:12:08   agents of shield is I think other than [TS]

00:12:11   Doctor Who the only hour-long show on TV [TS]

00:12:15   right now drama series that i actually [TS]

00:12:17   feel like I could watch with the entire [TS]

00:12:19   family [TS]

00:12:20   it feels like it's the seven o'clock on [TS]

00:12:22   sunday wonderful world of Disney almost [TS]

00:12:24   kind of level where the violence like [TS]

00:12:26   the a-team actually the violence isn't [TS]

00:12:28   too violent and every not really scary [TS]

00:12:30   nobody gets really hurt and in some ways [TS]

00:12:33   I think it's kind of interesting that [TS]

00:12:35   that that if you view it that way it's [TS]

00:12:36   like their attempt to make a family show [TS]

00:12:38   the problem is is that it's not that [TS]

00:12:40   interesting that the end if they got [TS]

00:12:42   renewed for the whole year there's all [TS]

00:12:44   this corporate synergy maybe they can [TS]

00:12:46   find a way [TS]

00:12:47   my hope is that the producers realized [TS]

00:12:49   it's not working and they've got a year [TS]

00:12:51   to sort of got till the end of the year [TS]

00:12:52   to figure something out here because as [TS]

00:12:55   it is it's just a bore [TS]

00:12:56   I mean that's the thing that's most [TS]

00:12:57   offensive to me about is that not that [TS]

00:12:59   it's i don't i don't know if i would say [TS]

00:13:00   that it's bad i would say that it's just [TS]

00:13:02   boring it's like there's nothing [TS]

00:13:04   interesting in it at all [TS]

00:13:06   it's a waste of potential for the first [TS]

00:13:09   episode we [TS]

00:13:09   watched it and my older son is sitting [TS]

00:13:11   there and he's 11 he still hasn't seen [TS]

00:13:14   iron man 3 and they get to the whole [TS]

00:13:16   extremists thing and he immediately goes [TS]

00:13:18   that's cheating because i haven't seen [TS]

00:13:20   the movie and I need to know that what [TS]

00:13:23   the hell [TS]

00:13:24   so they already pissed him off in the [TS]

00:13:25   pilot and then the second episode is [TS]

00:13:28   basically a bottle episode there on the [TS]

00:13:30   plane for almost the whole thing that's [TS]

00:13:33   like you you're doing a bottle episode [TS]

00:13:35   is your second episode [TS]

00:13:38   wow yeah the first one didn't look that [TS]

00:13:40   expensive either it was not one of the [TS]

00:13:42   items like lost or something where they [TS]

00:13:43   pay they I I thought that pilot was like [TS]

00:13:46   let's show you what the show will look [TS]

00:13:48   like when we do it on a week-to-week [TS]

00:13:49   budget and then yes episode 2 was like [TS]

00:13:52   cheaper and you know some-some watching [TS]

00:13:56   it and and I get to the one I think was [TS]

00:13:58   called I spy and it's it actually you [TS]

00:14:02   know that the teaser started out kind of [TS]

00:14:05   interesting and you've got all these you [TS]

00:14:06   know this what this metro station in [TS]

00:14:09   stockholm and all games figures in red [TS]

00:14:13   masks with briefcases and they're all [TS]

00:14:15   walking and no one's really paying [TS]

00:14:17   attention to them in your watching this [TS]

00:14:18   going [TS]

00:14:19   wow this is really interesting what's [TS]

00:14:21   gonna happen and then you immediately [TS]

00:14:23   have all of the people in red masks [TS]

00:14:26   massacred by this one person and then [TS]

00:14:28   the story goes off in a totally [TS]

00:14:30   different direction and it never [TS]

00:14:31   addresses the fact that they're all in [TS]

00:14:33   these red masks and they're all during [TS]

00:14:35   this thing and it's like you took the [TS]

00:14:37   most interesting most visually exciting [TS]

00:14:40   thing you've done and you got rid of it [TS]

00:14:42   in the first four minutes and then you [TS]

00:14:43   went off and told this really stupid [TS]

00:14:45   story [TS]

00:14:46   what is wrong with you people I'm glad [TS]

00:14:48   you mentioned that episode because that [TS]

00:14:50   was that episode is the best example but [TS]

00:14:51   there are lots of them were one of the [TS]

00:14:53   problems I have with agents of shield [TS]

00:14:55   it's meant to be this globe-trotting [TS]

00:14:56   kind of like group of people who are [TS]

00:14:58   members of a secret organization and [TS]

00:15:00   they have to solve these things I've [TS]

00:15:02   seen the show I saw it a decade ago and [TS]

00:15:06   alias from 10 years ago did agents of [TS]

00:15:10   shield double as well as agents of [TS]

00:15:14   shield for two seasons [TS]

00:15:16   well okay three two maybe three but but [TS]

00:15:19   right [TS]

00:15:19   actually i would say Dan 10 [TS]

00:15:22   alias its entire run did better than HR [TS]

00:15:27   sealed okay yeah take that [TS]

00:15:29   yeah I'll go with that that's a [TS]

00:15:31   below-the-belt there was there they had [TS]

00:15:33   they had their you know green-screen [TS]

00:15:35   fake you know yes we're in Stockholm now [TS]

00:15:37   it's the only true did very well no I [TS]

00:15:39   mean I feel like there are there are a [TS]

00:15:40   couple shows that i've seen that one [TS]

00:15:42   comes to mind and the USA Network covert [TS]

00:15:44   affairs which is also a spy show does a [TS]

00:15:46   good job of like you know what I [TS]

00:15:48   actually believe that you are like you [TS]

00:15:49   know in this city [TS]

00:15:50   it doesn't matter like you know it's you [TS]

00:15:53   whatever you've done for your production [TS]

00:15:54   you know job there [TS]

00:15:56   it's enough to suspend my disbelief [TS]

00:15:58   right so with alias it really worked for [TS]

00:16:00   me and I was like yeah everybody's happy [TS]

00:16:02   had you know characters and it had some [TS]

00:16:05   some sort of dynamism was never boring [TS]

00:16:07   even when it was just like I mean it [TS]

00:16:09   when in doubt Jennifer Garner's got a [TS]

00:16:11   lot of charisma you put her in a in a [TS]

00:16:12   weird outfit and a strange way again [TS]

00:16:15   she's walking through some Eurotrash [TS]

00:16:16   cocktail party somewhere and there's a [TS]

00:16:18   bomb somewhere and it moved and they [TS]

00:16:21   have the crazy music and and then [TS]

00:16:23   there's agents of shield which is just [TS]

00:16:24   like eight a flat pale replica I mean [TS]

00:16:29   it's been done ABC has done it better [TS]

00:16:31   than this [TS]

00:16:32   they need to put Agent Coulson and crazy [TS]

00:16:34   dress and Senator company and i would [TS]

00:16:36   pay for that [TS]

00:16:38   well they got to do that episode by the [TS]

00:16:40   end of the year that he's trying to get [TS]

00:16:41   out of field by point of section 8 like [TS]

00:16:42   going out exactly four clear after I [TS]

00:16:44   want to get out of this show it's too [TS]

00:16:47   late [TS]

00:16:47   agents of mash what's like people keep [TS]

00:16:50   saying no Joss Whedon you know shows [TS]

00:16:52   shows the first season is kind of rocky [TS]

00:16:55   yeah you know know that time and you [TS]

00:16:57   know what maybe Buffy was rock no it [TS]

00:16:59   wasn't it wasn't it was little great it [TS]

00:17:02   was exactly was legit and grand you know [TS]

00:17:04   angel was fun [TS]

00:17:06   yeah and and I reply was the only had [TS]

00:17:09   one season and it was good from they [TS]

00:17:11   basically dollhouse had a bad season [TS]

00:17:13   right look [TS]

00:17:14   yeah another bad just this isn't just [TS]

00:17:16   we'd know right i mean it is Joss Whedon [TS]

00:17:19   wrote a pilot and his put his brother [TS]

00:17:22   and sister-in-law in charge of our [TS]

00:17:23   writers room and it's got some good [TS]

00:17:24   people including people who worked on [TS]

00:17:26   angel but it's not you know he's I gotta [TS]

00:17:29   he apparently was like rewriting parts [TS]

00:17:31   of Thor and he's you know prepping [TS]

00:17:33   Avengers 2 and he's not it's not here [TS]

00:17:36   show he was he was consulting on Captain [TS]

00:17:39   America 2 and I think that's the issue [TS]

00:17:40   is like I think he puts potentially has [TS]

00:17:43   like a lot of passion for that idea but [TS]

00:17:45   then he's like all right I got this [TS]

00:17:46   great idea i love it uh well I'm Way too [TS]

00:17:48   busy to do it though and hands it off [TS]

00:17:50   and i think the you know that he handed [TS]

00:17:52   off to people they trust but I think [TS]

00:17:54   also people who maybe don't have the [TS]

00:17:56   same level of enthusiasm for this [TS]

00:17:58   particular idea that he did it that's [TS]

00:18:00   what it kind of feels to me like it [TS]

00:18:02   falls flat when they on the execution it [TS]

00:18:04   feels like what he does is he has the [TS]

00:18:06   salt shaker full of joss whedon's magic [TS]

00:18:08   pixie dust and it feels I'll see I've [TS]

00:18:10   just sprinkle the just waitin magic [TS]

00:18:12   pixie dust over the script now just [TS]

00:18:14   don't ruin it [TS]

00:18:15   here you go you're welcome where's that [TS]

00:18:17   check you can see the lines in the pilot [TS]

00:18:19   that are the you know ironic humorous in [TS]

00:18:23   and kind of enjoyable like Coulson's got [TS]

00:18:25   his whole thing from the shadows he's [TS]

00:18:27   like think there's a bulb out over there [TS]

00:18:28   you know that was funny and all but [TS]

00:18:30   there's nothing to there's nothing [TS]

00:18:31   around and honestly you know the irony [TS]

00:18:33   and and the dialogue while enjoyable and [TS]

00:18:36   joss whedon's things is not the thing [TS]

00:18:37   that makes them good that that annoyed [TS]

00:18:40   right I gotta say that it would be [TS]

00:18:41   that's-that's-that's self-aware anything [TS]

00:18:44   I'm way cooler [TS]

00:18:46   I the screenwriter and way cooler in the [TS]

00:18:47   script I'm writing but here's the here's [TS]

00:18:49   the thing in Buffy you can get away with [TS]

00:18:51   that because the fact is the characters [TS]

00:18:53   were practicing an ironic remove from [TS]

00:18:57   what was going on but the characters [TS]

00:18:59   were there and the situation was there [TS]

00:19:00   to support it and in this we've got is a [TS]

00:19:03   scaffolding for corporate synergy and [TS]

00:19:06   insert witty dialogue here and insert [TS]

00:19:10   you know beefcake character over here we [TS]

00:19:12   call them Kendall ok I feel like we've [TS]

00:19:14   beaten the beaten this agent handsome i [TS]

00:19:16   think is what we call him David I think [TS]

00:19:18   we've beaten this one to death [TS]

00:19:19   suffice it to say agents of shield we [TS]

00:19:21   don't like it alright let's step away [TS]

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00:21:33   let's move on I wanted to bring up show [TS]

00:21:36   that I i was aware was on the air when [TS]

00:21:40   it came on the air called Sleepy Hollow [TS]

00:21:41   and it turned out to be a hit in the [TS]

00:21:44   ratings and because a lot of people for [TS]

00:21:46   some reason inexplicably found [TS]

00:21:48   themselves tuning into sleepy hollow on [TS]

00:21:50   the day that it premiered I was one of [TS]

00:21:52   those people and i gotta say at the [TS]

00:21:55   Sleepy Hollow is ridiculous [TS]

00:21:58   it's insane and i have watched [TS]

00:22:03   episode and I like it a lot I concur [TS]

00:22:07   yeah hello Scott we're together on this [TS]

00:22:10   one it's true it's this is like national [TS]

00:22:13   treasure the TV series it is and it is i [TS]

00:22:16   think this is better than national [TS]

00:22:17   treasure I'm sorry but it's actually [TS]

00:22:18   good but it's actually well i think it [TS]

00:22:21   in the sense that it's like George [TS]

00:22:22   Washington knew there was a secret [TS]

00:22:24   conspiracy to end the world and that was [TS]

00:22:26   the secret untold tales of the American [TS]

00:22:27   Revolution and now a chabad cranes been [TS]

00:22:29   sent to the present day fight the Four [TS]

00:22:32   Horsemen of the Apocalypse one of whom [TS]

00:22:34   is the Headless Horseman of course of [TS]

00:22:36   course it makes so much sense [TS]

00:22:38   it'sit's national treasure accept it [TS]

00:22:40   realizes how insane it is sure no one's [TS]

00:22:43   got the whole little more supernaturally [TS]

00:22:45   stuff going on [TS]

00:22:46   yeah yeah but there's always that it's [TS]

00:22:48   that sort of level of in ridiculousness [TS]

00:22:50   that you're like all right just go with [TS]

00:22:51   it right it's crazy [TS]

00:22:52   of course itself but it buys in and [TS]

00:22:54   that's that's what in some ways that's [TS]

00:22:56   what you know agents of shield is [TS]

00:22:57   missing like it feels like the people [TS]

00:22:59   who are this especially I think the guy [TS]

00:23:00   what's-his-name Tom Mison is that [TS]

00:23:02   missing [TS]

00:23:02   I don't know you're probably around yeah [TS]

00:23:04   the guy who plays jacob eye cream you [TS]

00:23:06   keep pretty much I think he throws [TS]

00:23:08   himself into that [TS]

00:23:09   yeah really greatly well yeah he's great [TS]

00:23:11   everything about both the leads on this [TS]

00:23:13   on the show are very enjoyable i like [TS]

00:23:16   their report together [TS]

00:23:18   I like those two characters i think that [TS]

00:23:20   you know casting goes a long way I [TS]

00:23:22   haven't casting a couple of really [TS]

00:23:23   winning actors in your lead roles can [TS]

00:23:26   can pat spackle over a lot of [TS]

00:23:29   difficulties especially at the beginning [TS]

00:23:30   of a series and sleepy Hollow's got the [TS]

00:23:32   casting then they did some weird casting [TS]

00:23:34   decisions in the like John show hope [TS]

00:23:37   ears and then comes back I was like if [TS]

00:23:40   we could get him again like Clancy Brown [TS]

00:23:43   who is playing right basically shows up [TS]

00:23:45   and all like flash bad he's yeah he's [TS]

00:23:46   killed and then they're like but we [TS]

00:23:48   could bring back in flashbacks but the [TS]

00:23:51   two main characters are real are really [TS]

00:23:52   enjoyable and I like this kind of crazy [TS]

00:23:54   mythos they've got about the end of the [TS]

00:23:56   world and and it's it's toggling between [TS]

00:23:59   the x-files kind of like here's a weird [TS]

00:24:01   thing that's happening in this town [TS]

00:24:02   because it's on a Hellmouth essentially [TS]

00:24:04   and and then the story arc parts of it [TS]

00:24:07   and they go back and forth and it's an [TS]

00:24:09   end and they've gotta like a layer [TS]

00:24:11   that's in a like boarded up old part of [TS]

00:24:13   police station that's from the seven [TS]

00:24:15   which is ridiculous but varies i have to [TS]

00:24:18   say it would be really funny and like [TS]

00:24:19   you know after the show runs like seven [TS]

00:24:21   seasons and is like a huge it or [TS]

00:24:22   something you have to tell people that [TS]

00:24:23   Orlando Jones started his career as a [TS]

00:24:25   you know its spokesperson for 7up [TS]

00:24:28   basically know what he was best known [TS]

00:24:30   for its like I mean poor guy you know [TS]

00:24:33   how terrible you know career choices i [TS]

00:24:36   think in between then and now he's come [TS]

00:24:38   back as a straight man which is very odd [TS]

00:24:39   those of us who remember him from [TS]

00:24:41   earlier rolls it's very strange to see [TS]

00:24:43   it is a very always liked the chief he's [TS]

00:24:46   like keep me informed [TS]

00:24:47   I am amused that they his name is Irving [TS]

00:24:49   well of course is the yeah the writer of [TS]

00:24:52   Omega by crane although that apparently [TS]

00:24:54   doesn't exist in this universe [TS]

00:24:55   no because that Ichabod Crane is a [TS]

00:24:57   totally different character than this [TS]

00:24:58   guy who's a revolutionary you know [TS]

00:25:00   soldier for it fighting against the [TS]

00:25:03   British and then he gets thrown forward [TS]

00:25:04   in time and it sounds just as crazy as [TS]

00:25:06   we're making it out to be it is it is [TS]

00:25:08   for fun though [TS]

00:25:10   yeah there's which is a 10-day got the [TS]

00:25:12   salem witch trial in there there's an [TS]

00:25:14   episode where they tossed in a row knows [TS]

00:25:16   throw everything in and that the [TS]

00:25:18   disappeared Colony of Roanoke and [TS]

00:25:19   explained that it all makes sense now I [TS]

00:25:23   was I was on board when i watch the [TS]

00:25:24   pilot and they took care of the whole [TS]

00:25:27   you know you know everyone knows the [TS]

00:25:30   Headless Horseman story so they did that [TS]

00:25:32   in the first two minutes [TS]

00:25:33   yes and then they changed it and then it [TS]

00:25:34   was that was it nevermind it's not that [TS]

00:25:36   at all [TS]

00:25:37   okay in that there's a nice joke where [TS]

00:25:39   they where the the sort of the horseman [TS]

00:25:42   or whatever cut off the top of a sign [TS]

00:25:44   and it's a sign of a guy you know a [TS]

00:25:46   little stick figure guy so that helo the [TS]

00:25:48   sign has lost its head and she let them [TS]

00:25:52   hang in the captains office they do in [TS]

00:25:54   about 30 seconds later yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:25:57   good it's it is mode it's a fun show [TS]

00:26:00   it's silly and fun and and the [TS]

00:26:02   characters are nice and the actors good [TS]

00:26:03   and and i'm looking forward to where to [TS]

00:26:06   where it goes [TS]

00:26:06   it's a yeah it's our i was surprised at [TS]

00:26:10   how much I enjoyed it really surprised [TS]

00:26:11   its kind of wonderful to that it's it's [TS]

00:26:14   a really diverse cast except at no point [TS]

00:26:17   in going hey look we have a really [TS]

00:26:18   diverse cast its it's just the server [TS]

00:26:21   matter-of-fact hey look this is the real [TS]

00:26:23   world [TS]

00:26:23   yeah other than other than that they do [TS]

00:26:25   that mom [TS]

00:26:26   and with Ichabod Crane and abby i think [TS]

00:26:29   is the name of the the woman who's the [TS]

00:26:30   in the Sheriff's Office is the other [TS]

00:26:32   lead and there's a moment just like [TS]

00:26:34   there was when docked in Doctor Who when [TS]

00:26:36   the Martha went to Shakespeare's time [TS]

00:26:38   and there's that moment of life you know [TS]

00:26:40   not exactly white if there's a [TS]

00:26:42   difference is this could be an issue and [TS]

00:26:44   he has that moment cuz he's like you [TS]

00:26:45   know he's obviously from revolutionary [TS]

00:26:47   times and and there's that there's a [TS]

00:26:49   moment of like there were slaves and [TS]

00:26:50   that was I didn't like that sort of [TS]

00:26:52   thing and all that but other than that [TS]

00:26:53   it's kind of yeah it's not relevant you [TS]

00:26:56   had to do it like i like it had to be [TS]

00:26:58   ignorant because otherwise it would you [TS]

00:26:59   you know it would strike as folks i [TS]

00:27:01   think but yeah and they got it out of [TS]

00:27:03   the way they're like they're not like [TS]

00:27:04   dwelling outright it's not like [TS]

00:27:05   everybody was about that and they're [TS]

00:27:07   they're embracing the show and braces [TS]

00:27:09   its own ridiculousness so yes I have no [TS]

00:27:11   problem with the like all of the clearly [TS]

00:27:15   ridiculous things that you and it makes [TS]

00:27:17   the parts where they kind of acknowledge [TS]

00:27:21   the fact that Ichabod Crane is out you [TS]

00:27:23   know outside of his time even more [TS]

00:27:26   amusing to me like when he was there [TS]

00:27:28   there's the scene where he was running [TS]

00:27:29   in like a tunnel and he got a gun and [TS]

00:27:32   shot at once oh yeah and then he threw [TS]

00:27:34   it away [TS]

00:27:35   yeah and she was like why did you throw [TS]

00:27:37   your cut away he said what I shot it she [TS]

00:27:39   said you can't shoot more than once news [TS]

00:27:41   like really and I thought that was like [TS]

00:27:44   that followed up when she was trying to [TS]

00:27:45   explain that gun to him he's like i [TS]

00:27:47   dunno how the gun works many yeah III [TS]

00:27:49   fires and tosses it away [TS]

00:27:51   why I like that in a ride I've been [TS]

00:27:53   catching up so I'm a couple episodes [TS]

00:27:54   behind but like there's an episode i [TS]

00:27:55   just watched where they're fighting off [TS]

00:27:57   the Hessian the heavens i like i love [TS]

00:27:59   that they work the heavens into this but [TS]

00:28:01   like she gives him a gun again and he [TS]

00:28:04   liked stands out there with like one [TS]

00:28:05   hand behind his back like he's doing [TS]

00:28:07   like the dueling is nothing it's just a [TS]

00:28:09   little thing but I was like that's a [TS]

00:28:11   whole area because like he's not going [TS]

00:28:12   to use whatever you know he's not going [TS]

00:28:14   to shoot a gun like a trained police [TS]

00:28:15   officer with you to go and he's still [TS]

00:28:17   wearing his his crazy old timey close [TS]

00:28:20   and that their graduates gradually [TS]

00:28:21   becoming more of an issue where she's [TS]

00:28:23   like you're gonna wear those clothes all [TS]

00:28:24   the time because they look cool they [TS]

00:28:26   want to keep him in those clothes but [TS]

00:28:27   why does he not wear the clothes so yeah [TS]

00:28:30   he's a hipster yeah clearly [TS]

00:28:32   yeah you know actually jason with this [TS]

00:28:34   the show reminds me most of is a super [TS]

00:28:36   bitch [TS]

00:28:37   Oh supernet it's true it's true I knew [TS]

00:28:40   that was coming [TS]

00:28:41   I'm just saying that there's a lot of [TS]

00:28:42   the lot i watched the episodes watch [TS]

00:28:44   with the husband's also has the way they [TS]

00:28:46   try to summon the demons or something in [TS]

00:28:48   the church and its got like that weird [TS]

00:28:50   crazy baptismal font with all the demons [TS]

00:28:53   crawling out of it which was cool [TS]

00:28:55   special effect but yeah it's nice it's a [TS]

00:28:58   it's a [TS]

00:28:59   yeah interesting show and I grew up very [TS]

00:29:01   near tarrytown which is actually sleepy [TS]

00:29:04   hollow and rename itself sleepy hollow [TS]

00:29:06   several years back so in order to tie in [TS]

00:29:08   with this show which they knew was [TS]

00:29:10   coming [TS]

00:29:10   exactly i'm pretty sure they do not [TS]

00:29:12   shoot in the actual symbiote know it's [TS]

00:29:15   yeah it's North Carolina they have that [TS]

00:29:17   fringe thing where it's like oh [TS]

00:29:19   something happened in you know Virginia [TS]

00:29:23   that two seconds later to hear ya [TS]

00:29:25   Matt well you know match I know it's a [TS]

00:29:27   TV show but it's like you don't know [TS]

00:29:29   what it takes a little while to get [TS]

00:29:30   there I want to see people driving out [TS]

00:29:33   to say goodbye train on a plane crane on [TS]

00:29:35   a plane back to this mother bleep [TS]

00:29:39   incorrect him you know [TS]

00:29:41   alright so what else what else do we [TS]

00:29:43   have what else what else to talk about [TS]

00:29:45   you mentioned so someone just met with [TS]

00:29:47   Scott you mentioned fringe because then [TS]

00:29:49   the black list also kind of reminds me [TS]

00:29:51   of fridge and alias sometimes too [TS]

00:29:53   yes is that there's a show with many [TS]

00:29:55   many parents James Spader's the black [TS]

00:29:59   list because it is his show it's clearly [TS]

00:30:01   designed around him he is he is a red [TS]

00:30:04   Reddington the like world's most famous [TS]

00:30:08   villain or something and he like walks [TS]

00:30:13   into the FBI and says that he'll only [TS]

00:30:16   talk to this one agent and so they it's [TS]

00:30:19   her first day so they get her and bring [TS]

00:30:20   her over and no she doesn't know him and [TS]

00:30:23   nobody knows why they're connected and [TS]

00:30:24   so there's your story arc and then he [TS]

00:30:26   says I will bring you criminals you know [TS]

00:30:30   from your most wanted list who I don't [TS]

00:30:32   like and i will i will say it's i'm not [TS]

00:30:35   sure the premise really make sense but [TS]

00:30:38   hold even a little bit of water because [TS]

00:30:41   i like is in the second episode he's [TS]

00:30:43   like in the Bahamas or something like [TS]

00:30:45   wait wait [TS]

00:30:46   they let him go in the first episode [TS]

00:30:48   easily in like a Hannibal Lecter kind [TS]

00:30:50   contraption I guess they gotta let him [TS]

00:30:52   go because otherwise have its wingspan [TS]

00:30:54   her in a box for like yeah I would watch [TS]

00:30:57   that that's a game show James Spader in [TS]

00:30:59   a box [TS]

00:31:00   he's gotta keep active or else right or [TS]

00:31:02   else like criminals will know he's a [TS]

00:31:04   traitor in the in the first episode he [TS]

00:31:06   said if you don't let me go I will not [TS]

00:31:08   give you all this right delicious [TS]

00:31:10   information right so he's like there's a [TS]

00:31:11   long game and there's a and there's that [TS]

00:31:13   story arc but week-to-week he is he's [TS]

00:31:15   like here's somebody you can take down [TS]

00:31:17   and then there are episodes that are [TS]

00:31:20   more kind of like action e the one that [TS]

00:31:24   I just watched uh the other day was like [TS]

00:31:28   it was like an episode of alias it was [TS]

00:31:31   like there you know let's swap this [TS]

00:31:33   thing in and there's a camera here and [TS]

00:31:35   we'll and there's a party that we're [TS]

00:31:36   coming it was very very alias like that [TS]

00:31:38   and then also have like the guy who [TS]

00:31:40   buried somebody alive and there's the [TS]

00:31:42   particular rock and all that business so [TS]

00:31:44   there's so many different things that [TS]

00:31:46   they tried but you know James Spader is [TS]

00:31:48   really interesting the the the female [TS]

00:31:51   lead is good although they've done some [TS]

00:31:53   interesting things with her in the pilot [TS]

00:31:54   she's but she's played much younger and [TS]

00:31:58   they make her like she's mean she's [TS]

00:31:59   essentially Clarice Starling she's like [TS]

00:32:01   it's right it's my first day on the job [TS]

00:32:03   and I'm completely innocent and in the [TS]

00:32:05   second episode suddenly she's dressed [TS]

00:32:06   like a like a much like a [TS]

00:32:08   thirty-year-old and now it's explained [TS]

00:32:11   that it was her first day on that job [TS]

00:32:12   but she's had many other jobs and it's [TS]

00:32:14   been doing this for a while now and they [TS]

00:32:16   like I Dobbs yeah try to back it off a [TS]

00:32:19   little bit but i enjoy the show you know [TS]

00:32:22   James Spader goes a long way to make it [TS]

00:32:24   palatable but its body but i think it's [TS]

00:32:27   a good show i think they do a I liked [TS]

00:32:29   the bit that they sort of introduced at [TS]

00:32:30   the end of the first episode with her [TS]

00:32:32   husband with you know is he [TS]

00:32:35   he says he is is he part of this unite [TS]

00:32:37   plot in some way and even though they [TS]

00:32:40   have quote-unquote resolved it like they [TS]

00:32:43   still have left just enough wiggle room [TS]

00:32:44   area like let James Spader sort of not [TS]

00:32:47   sure about it every once in awhile it is [TS]

00:32:49   really hard to watch them be like I [TS]

00:32:51   can't [TS]

00:32:52   wow I cannot trust him like even if [TS]

00:32:54   they've sort of absolved him like I feel [TS]

00:32:55   like is [TS]

00:32:57   I don't know you can he reminds me of [TS]

00:32:59   aliens because i remember how in the in [TS]

00:33:03   the pilot of alien she's got a boyfriend [TS]

00:33:04   and he's murdered by the by by the sd-6 [TS]

00:33:08   and and then she joins you know and then [TS]

00:33:11   she joins up and I i thought you know [TS]

00:33:14   this guy isn't murdered but he's [TS]

00:33:15   immediately called into question about [TS]

00:33:18   whether he's a trustworthy husband or [TS]

00:33:20   not because they're the you know the [TS]

00:33:22   weird passports and things like that and [TS]

00:33:24   is was he you know is he a double agent [TS]

00:33:27   or a single agent the sleeper agent we [TS]

00:33:29   have and we just we just don't know but [TS]

00:33:31   it's very an agent of shield know dad's [TS]

00:33:34   now that's a different kind of sleeper [TS]

00:33:36   agents going to gradually just a sleepy [TS]

00:33:38   agent yeah he's Hydra I think I enjoy it [TS]

00:33:43   most because james spader is just kind [TS]

00:33:46   of not going on any piece of scenery [TS]

00:33:48   that he can get in this character which [TS]

00:33:51   I find very amusing doesn't go a little [TS]

00:33:53   bit will go a long way [TS]

00:33:55   it's aight i think that this is probably [TS]

00:33:57   the third james spader rolling movement [TS]

00:33:59   that I've seen that that really just [TS]

00:34:01   made me think I wish you'd go back into [TS]

00:34:03   comedy I wish that's not know about [TS]

00:34:05   Betty it's like it's like it's like he [TS]

00:34:08   saw it's like he saw Christopher [TS]

00:34:09   Walken's like how how how playing that I [TS]

00:34:12   want to just be really really funny [TS]

00:34:14   creepy [TS]

00:34:15   I'm gonna develop that persona and I'm [TS]

00:34:16   gonna ride that into 10 years with those [TS]

00:34:18   SML appearances and like background [TS]

00:34:20   characters and major movies [TS]

00:34:22   well I think they use some I mean I [TS]

00:34:23   think when this show is crafted for him [TS]

00:34:25   it's actually crafted for him in the way [TS]

00:34:26   where he's not always at the center it [TS]

00:34:28   too i think that's actually very clever [TS]

00:34:31   on the producers part that he's always [TS]

00:34:33   in it but right he's not just like a [TS]

00:34:35   little dab of Spader they don't drag [TS]

00:34:37   them along to all of these things right [TS]

00:34:39   like that they have the other characters [TS]

00:34:40   this hair again there there's harry [TS]

00:34:43   lennix doing the keep me informed Chris [TS]

00:34:45   skeptical chief and and then there's you [TS]

00:34:48   know Johnny square jaw agent and then [TS]

00:34:50   there's our our female lead who does [TS]

00:34:51   know why she's involved in this Johnny [TS]

00:34:53   square jaw agent Ethan incidentally is [TS]

00:34:55   was on homeland for the first two [TS]

00:34:57   seasons ah she was they gave him a [TS]

00:34:59   blonde hit like I don't know if that's [TS]

00:35:01   his natural hair color not but it's so [TS]

00:35:02   jarring to see him because he's really [TS]

00:35:04   really dark hair on Homeland he's got [TS]

00:35:06   this like almost golden blonde air [TS]

00:35:08   dreamy I guess what I'm saying is a [TS]

00:35:11   it is i get your I get your point is [TS]

00:35:12   that a little spider goes a long way but [TS]

00:35:14   I feel like he's modulated like I i get [TS]

00:35:17   enough of him that I enjoy it without it [TS]

00:35:18   being like if he was in every scene i [TS]

00:35:21   would wanna just throw something at the [TS]

00:35:22   TV but instead he comes in he's like oh [TS]

00:35:25   did that not work out for you well I've [TS]

00:35:28   got a new plan for you and then and then [TS]

00:35:29   he goes away again and i kinda it's like [TS]

00:35:32   I feel like they're deploying him really [TS]

00:35:34   well because it could be he could be [TS]

00:35:37   overused and I don't I and the blacklist [TS]

00:35:40   feel like they're using him just enough [TS]

00:35:41   and then yes [TS]

00:35:43   not more than that the central question [TS]

00:35:45   for me though I have I haven't watched [TS]

00:35:47   this movement of the show when the [TS]

00:35:48   reasons the company ways that anytime I [TS]

00:35:50   get the sense that they're just going to [TS]

00:35:52   tease us and tease us and tease us to [TS]

00:35:54   this about the central question without [TS]

00:35:56   ever making forward progress on it does [TS]

00:35:58   it sound as though we're gonna find out [TS]

00:36:00   what this really is all about origami [TS]

00:36:02   season 6 and they're going to realize [TS]

00:36:04   that oh it turns out that he thought [TS]

00:36:06   that the agency asked for was a [TS]

00:36:08   different agent so now they have to find [TS]

00:36:10   this other pages i remember now i am I [TS]

00:36:13   think there's some forward motion i [TS]

00:36:15   would I i would imagine that these of [TS]

00:36:18   season one are yeah I imagine the [TS]

00:36:20   question of why he chose her as a season [TS]

00:36:22   1 arc and then they would continue with [TS]

00:36:23   other you know complications after that [TS]

00:36:26   but I'm kind of watching because I just [TS]

00:36:28   want to be assured that it's not the [TS]

00:36:30   obvious answer right I think we all went [TS]

00:36:32   in kind of assuming like he must be her [TS]

00:36:34   dad or something right there dad is also [TS]

00:36:36   mentioned as mysteriously disappearing [TS]

00:36:38   and having been a criminal or he owes or [TS]

00:36:40   he feels he or she is sooo his yeah to [TS]

00:36:43   her dad right and there's clearly [TS]

00:36:45   something in some of the more reason [TS]

00:36:46   episodes they've hinted like he had some [TS]

00:36:49   you know clearly he has some motivation [TS]

00:36:51   for having this change of heart so you [TS]

00:36:54   know there's there is an interesting [TS]

00:36:55   question why did he decide to do this [TS]

00:36:57   but yeah it is it is I I kind of feel [TS]

00:37:02   like you have to go in a different [TS]

00:37:02   direction if only because it seems like [TS]

00:37:05   so obvious if you do do it that way [TS]

00:37:08   alright let's step away from TV one last [TS]

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00:40:12   touch on well yeah I here here's one [TS]

00:40:15   that after a couple of episodes of [TS]

00:40:17   shield by both of my children went can [TS]

00:40:20   we watch Brooklyn nine-nine and said and [TS]

00:40:23   we do the Brooklyn I great sitcom from [TS]

00:40:26   mike sure the the showrunner for parks [TS]

00:40:29   and recreation and it's a it's andy [TS]

00:40:34   samberg is the is the star and Andre [TS]

00:40:38   Braugher wonderful wonderful Andre [TS]

00:40:41   Braugher is here is the gruff but [TS]

00:40:43   lovable keep me informed police captain [TS]

00:40:46   in Brooklyn nine-nine I just enjoy that [TS]

00:40:49   nobody can read him with the whole like [TS]

00:40:51   the they have all these great stories [TS]

00:40:53   like they can't tell if he's happy or [TS]

00:40:55   upset with them because he's like the [TS]

00:40:57   same tone all the time he's just dead [TS]

00:40:59   under our for being a wonderful dramatic [TS]

00:41:01   actor he is whole areas in brookline he [TS]

00:41:06   was hilarious and homicide but that's [TS]

00:41:08   true though I have to say you you left [TS]

00:41:10   out the the to my mind the funniest [TS]

00:41:12   character in the show was Terry Crews [TS]

00:41:14   Carol sergeant he is my absolute [TS]

00:41:17   absolute favorite on that entire show [TS]

00:41:19   he's got that man has comedic timing [TS]

00:41:21   like nobody's business [TS]

00:41:22   one night Brooklyn nine-nine aired and [TS]

00:41:24   there was a tweet from muddy Ashley who [TS]

00:41:25   couldn't be with us tonight and and the [TS]

00:41:28   tweet was Terry Crews funny person [TS]

00:41:31   yep yep that's that's it [TS]

00:41:36   yeah a good cast a really interesting [TS]

00:41:38   group of characters obviously you know [TS]

00:41:40   they're trying to put the sitcom [TS]

00:41:41   ensemble together but I I felt like even [TS]

00:41:43   in the first episode I thought the first [TS]

00:41:45   episode was a winner it's very rare that [TS]

00:41:47   I've let I've laughed that much of the [TS]

00:41:48   pilot episode of the of a comedy [TS]

00:41:50   and it's got that it's good it's got [TS]

00:41:53   that old i mean ii Andy Samberg is [TS]

00:41:55   because he's basically playing a a an [TS]

00:41:59   adolescent who's now police detective [TS]

00:42:01   but he has the behavior of an adolescent [TS]

00:42:03   that adds maybe a little more modern [TS]

00:42:05   touch but otherwise I mean this is [TS]

00:42:07   basically a reconstituted Barney Miller [TS]

00:42:09   and I love that about it that it's got [TS]

00:42:11   it right down opening credits it's got [TS]

00:42:13   that old school cop kind of feel and the [TS]

00:42:15   characters are a rich collection of [TS]

00:42:17   characters in this in this precinct I i [TS]

00:42:19   think that they did that the one thing [TS]

00:42:21   that's nice that it has improved as I've [TS]

00:42:23   continued to watch it is that they world [TS]

00:42:26   it was a little risky in the beginning I [TS]

00:42:28   think they were starting to fall into [TS]

00:42:29   the problem that parks and rec and the [TS]

00:42:31   first season or some of it felt like the [TS]

00:42:33   characters didn't like each other enough [TS]

00:42:35   right but in the more recent episodes [TS]

00:42:37   they've done a better job of showing [TS]

00:42:38   that even at the time that these [TS]

00:42:39   characters are know each other that they [TS]

00:42:41   are actually friends and I think that [TS]

00:42:43   goes a long way to not ending up with [TS]

00:42:45   sort of just a very alienated feeling [TS]

00:42:47   like I've got all these people are also [TS]

00:42:49   idiosyncratic and annoying but they [TS]

00:42:52   actually you know there's got to be a [TS]

00:42:53   little bit of heart in there or else it [TS]

00:42:55   just it just drives you away i think [TS]

00:42:57   oh yeah and that the character who is [TS]

00:42:59   the equivalent I to anton what's her [TS]

00:43:05   name [TS]

00:43:05   I Aubrey Plaza on the on parks and rec [TS]

00:43:07   mom the the equivalent in this show [TS]

00:43:11   she's a she's mysterious but it you get [TS]

00:43:15   the sense that she doesn't she's she's [TS]

00:43:17   got a very strange way of approaching [TS]

00:43:18   the people but you don't get the sense [TS]

00:43:19   that she's antagonistic toward them [TS]

00:43:21   she's just a very strange private weird [TS]

00:43:25   kind of person but but not in a write it [TS]

00:43:28   but not in the way of like oh she [TS]

00:43:29   secretly hates the mall just like no no [TS]

00:43:31   she's called a colleague she behaves [TS]

00:43:32   normally with them you know a in some [TS]

00:43:35   ways and then in other ways not normal [TS]

00:43:36   at all but the right it doesn't it it [TS]

00:43:39   because in the pilot was like whoa is [TS]

00:43:40   she is there something wrong with her [TS]

00:43:42   and it's like well yes but she's not [TS]

00:43:44   mean she's just very strange [TS]

00:43:46   I i love the fact that I mean they've [TS]

00:43:48   said that Bernie Miller is a huge [TS]

00:43:49   influence obviously but also the wire [TS]

00:43:52   and homicide our big influences because [TS]

00:43:55   we even before they cast andy samberg [TS]

00:43:58   they described it as this is about the [TS]

00:44:01   comedy version of Jimmy or Jimmy's LT [TS]

00:44:03   out from [TS]

00:44:04   wire and i love the fact that you have [TS]

00:44:06   comedy McNulty facing off against comedy [TS]

00:44:08   Pembleton yeah from homicide I mean [TS]

00:44:11   that's just beautiful and the fact that [TS]

00:44:13   everything else is sort of crystallizing [TS]

00:44:15   around it is wonderful i just love to [TS]

00:44:18   see that and I mean I'm a huge parks and [TS]

00:44:20   rec fan anyway yes partly because I [TS]

00:44:22   essentially live in Pawnee Indiana map [TS]

00:44:25   it's getting on candy I've been there [TS]

00:44:28   um yes you do but yeah it's it's really [TS]

00:44:32   interesting to see this taking shape and [TS]

00:44:36   sort of crystallizing a lot quicker in [TS]

00:44:39   some ways than parks and rec today [TS]

00:44:40   because it really maybe they learned [TS]

00:44:42   there was until the second season yeah [TS]

00:44:44   you know I think they learned their [TS]

00:44:46   lesson about about the balance that they [TS]

00:44:48   were trying to to serve here also i [TS]

00:44:50   should say anybody who who says well [TS]

00:44:52   this is that said come with andy samberg [TS]

00:44:54   as the lead now forget it's like hey [TS]

00:44:57   that sample I i think well here's the [TS]

00:45:00   thing is i think it is super exactly [TS]

00:45:02   greatness and I I'm not like somebody [TS]

00:45:04   who is particularly enamored with the [TS]

00:45:06   the collected works of andy samberg but [TS]

00:45:09   i think that because he's got these [TS]

00:45:10   other characters in here did though his [TS]

00:45:12   playing off of Andre Braugher is so [TS]

00:45:15   perfect because it's the by-the-book [TS]

00:45:17   police detective will also air police [TS]

00:45:20   sergeant he also wants to get as the [TS]

00:45:23   captain he wants to get get his goat so [TS]

00:45:25   there's that and that there's some nice [TS]

00:45:26   conflict there is it's enjoyable so yeah [TS]

00:45:30   even if if you were turned off by the [TS]

00:45:32   idea that this is some sort of post [TS]

00:45:34   Saturday Night Live andy samberg vehicle [TS]

00:45:36   it's um it's better than that and I mean [TS]

00:45:39   it's got this parks rec seal of approval [TS]

00:45:40   to ya if you if you move for me selling [TS]

00:45:44   some of the show to show the scene where [TS]

00:45:45   Terry Crews tries to assemble his [TS]

00:45:47   daughter's doll house that we thought [TS]

00:45:49   that was my favorite see I'm a grown man [TS]

00:45:51   with grown man hands by can put together [TS]

00:45:53   there's an episode i think last week [TS]

00:45:56   maybe where Terry Crews um can't go to [TS]

00:45:59   sleep [TS]

00:46:00   yeah and he's increasingly strange over [TS]

00:46:03   the course of the episode and that some [TS]

00:46:05   have even at the very end Andre Braugher [TS]

00:46:08   lips and black lady look lay down on his [TS]

00:46:10   couch i'll just turn off the light and [TS]

00:46:12   he's immediately asleep but after the [TS]

00:46:14   entire episode sped away [TS]

00:46:16   yeah they have that great bit in there [TS]

00:46:18   two words like my brother-in-law's [TS]

00:46:19   visiting and he thinks you know like he [TS]

00:46:21   thinks I'm a small guy you know and you [TS]

00:46:24   eat the one moment I think you see andre [TS]

00:46:26   braugher sort of break it like what [TS]

00:46:28   yeah because Terry Crews is normally a [TS]

00:46:30   linebacker right leg is huge but we [TS]

00:46:32   should [TS]

00:46:33   Andy I know you mentioned you want to [TS]

00:46:34   mention parks and rec why this might be [TS]

00:46:36   a good moment parks and recreation is [TS]

00:46:38   back for another season on NBC and it's [TS]

00:46:40   a it's a show everybody should watch [TS]

00:46:42   because it's great [TS]

00:46:44   yeah and it really did point out an [TS]

00:46:47   ongoing failing of mine and catching new [TS]

00:46:49   shows i I am so quick to judge a new [TS]

00:46:52   show based on the premise that there [TS]

00:46:54   before before it actually begins and [TS]

00:46:57   Parks and Rec it really did look like [TS]

00:46:59   another win not just another office like [TS]

00:47:03   fake documentary but fake documentary [TS]

00:47:05   that never ever explains why there is a [TS]

00:47:08   documentary crew that's that's that's in [TS]

00:47:11   every single corner of these people's [TS]

00:47:13   lives 24-7 and so that made me think [TS]

00:47:16   that ok well the problem and also the [TS]

00:47:18   jokes the program very good [TS]

00:47:19   it's gotta be sorry in there and every [TS]

00:47:22   time I'd seen him to do stand-up I [TS]

00:47:23   didn't like the character was doing [TS]

00:47:25   there and it wasn't really until three [TS]

00:47:27   truly like 3-4 weeks ago that I did this [TS]

00:47:31   thing that so many people do it i [TS]

00:47:33   started this sort of like both watching [TS]

00:47:35   on netflix having heard that they didn't [TS]

00:47:37   really figure out the show until season [TS]

00:47:39   2i skip season one entirely gonna start [TS]

00:47:42   with season 2 episode 1 and then before [TS]

00:47:44   I knew it it's like okay well I need to [TS]

00:47:46   get back to work have now in the middle [TS]

00:47:47   of seas season three [TS]

00:47:49   damn it ok i'll be up until 4am but [TS]

00:47:51   still it was a good show and now i'm i'm [TS]

00:47:54   almost died i stay sort of skipped ahead [TS]

00:47:56   to season 6 and I've got like maybe one [TS]

00:47:58   more season ago but man i love this show [TS]

00:48:01   its it really just turned me into an [TS]

00:48:03   instant fan of it because I just a I [TS]

00:48:07   feel stupid for not having watched it i [TS]

00:48:08   love the fact that they can put in these [TS]

00:48:10   tiny tiny little lines that add little [TS]

00:48:14   bit of texture and looks a little bit of [TS]

00:48:17   information about the relationship [TS]

00:48:18   between all of these characters because [TS]

00:48:20   one of the things I don't like about [TS]

00:48:21   about so many sitcoms is that I think [TS]

00:48:25   that eventually most sitcoms devolved [TS]

00:48:27   into just like a singer transaction [TS]

00:48:30   mechanism between the characters [TS]

00:48:31   machine yeah it's like everything was [TS]

00:48:33   like yeah why are these four people [TS]

00:48:35   together and call themselves friends all [TS]

00:48:37   they do is like meet up for two hours [TS]

00:48:39   and insult each other and just like [TS]

00:48:41   laughing because I yeah you broke your [TS]

00:48:43   foot [TS]

00:48:44   mr. gimpy limping guy with a broken foot [TS]

00:48:47   okay what are you gonna pay for medical [TS]

00:48:49   care without a job that's how we express [TS]

00:48:52   low like I I'm afraid to let down my [TS]

00:48:56   walls and show genuine emotion and yet [TS]

00:48:59   there's obvious that there's this one [TS]

00:49:00   specific line that it's just a throwaway [TS]

00:49:02   line the writers did not have to put it [TS]

00:49:04   in there where level one of our lesson [TS]

00:49:08   notes that staff members has to ask the [TS]

00:49:10   police for the the the fall harvest [TS]

00:49:13   festival where they're asking the the [TS]

00:49:15   someone has to go to the policeman hey [TS]

00:49:17   can you like get some volunteers [TS]

00:49:18   volunteer police officers to run [TS]

00:49:20   security for us and they think this [TS]

00:49:23   person thinks it's going to be a big [TS]

00:49:24   negotiation but the chief of police [TS]

00:49:26   simply says leslie knope it always gets [TS]

00:49:28   whatever favorite she asked for because [TS]

00:49:30   she never asks for you always ask for [TS]

00:49:32   favors for other people and then they [TS]

00:49:35   move on to like whatever dialogue they [TS]

00:49:36   need to get into for whatever next plot [TS]

00:49:38   point is such a simple line that [TS]

00:49:40   indicates gives an extra layer of [TS]

00:49:42   texture to who this character Leslie [TS]

00:49:44   Knope is why people are ten ten to want [TS]

00:49:47   her to do things for what why that why [TS]

00:49:49   they like her why they stick around her [TS]

00:49:50   and again it was a disposable line for [TS]

00:49:52   the writers thought it was important and [TS]

00:49:54   the entire series is full of that and so [TS]

00:49:56   that's why I was such a great start love [TS]

00:49:57   it you get these you get these [TS]

00:49:59   characters who don't seem like they [TS]

00:50:00   should get along like Ron and leslie and [TS]

00:50:03   it's again and he's totally right like [TS]

00:50:05   they do this this brilliant job of [TS]

00:50:07   coloring in the details are not just [TS]

00:50:08   caricatures right they actually are [TS]

00:50:10   people and to me the beginning of this [TS]

00:50:13   particular season has I think what is my [TS]

00:50:15   one of my favorite episode or season [TS]

00:50:18   openings ever in a TV show which has to [TS]

00:50:21   do with Ron getting married [TS]

00:50:23   yes which is just Isis is brilliantly [TS]

00:50:26   shot and it really just shows you the [TS]

00:50:28   whole like the relationship between [TS]

00:50:30   these two characters Leslie sort of like [TS]

00:50:32   you know like running around flustered [TS]

00:50:35   like but this is my friend is getting [TS]

00:50:36   married I need to do something but like [TS]

00:50:37   Ron being who he is is just like now I'm [TS]

00:50:39   just gonna do this my own way very very [TS]

00:50:41   straightforward we're gonna go to just [TS]

00:50:42   peace get there do you [TS]

00:50:43   reception will be held privately in your [TS]

00:50:46   individual homes [TS]

00:50:48   goodbye there are a lot of sitcoms where [TS]

00:50:50   the bulk of the comedy is coming from [TS]

00:50:52   character and it and you know it's not [TS]

00:50:54   going to give you that bang bang [TS]

00:50:57   I you know joke a joke every 20 seconds [TS]

00:51:00   kind of pace and if they may not even [TS]

00:51:03   give you the belly laughs that you might [TS]

00:51:06   get on something that is just hitting [TS]

00:51:08   you with those one-liners one after [TS]

00:51:10   another but you know parks and rec has [TS]

00:51:14   that you know it's a cut that's comedy [TS]

00:51:16   coming from a different place because [TS]

00:51:18   you know who these people are and you [TS]

00:51:19   know how they interact with each other [TS]

00:51:20   and yeah there are wacky wacky jokes are [TS]

00:51:23   plenty in this too but it doesn't it [TS]

00:51:25   doesn't rely on that same kind of rhythm [TS]

00:51:27   because it knows it's got these [TS]

00:51:28   characters and this setting and it can [TS]

00:51:30   use those to make you smile and make you [TS]

00:51:33   laugh in a a different way than a few [TS]

00:51:36   quick singer of a joke can there they're [TS]

00:51:39   not afraid to go to the emotional heart [TS]

00:51:41   and they don't over press that button [TS]

00:51:43   either they're not going for that moment [TS]

00:51:45   where a live audience would go [TS]

00:51:46   ah they just wanted they just want the [TS]

00:51:50   the last episode of season 5 or I'm [TS]

00:51:54   sorry whatever episode with the second [TS]

00:51:57   part of the two-parter Leslie go Leslie [TS]

00:51:58   goes to London and gives gives gives [TS]

00:52:01   around the red wedding gifts they just [TS]

00:52:03   follow these instructions read some [TS]

00:52:04   tickets and you'll be very pleased to [TS]

00:52:06   the very end of it and because ron has [TS]

00:52:09   this relationship with her and he [TS]

00:52:10   doesn't want to travel but he does it [TS]

00:52:11   anyway and the fact that it basically [TS]

00:52:13   leads him to the perfect spot to enjoy [TS]

00:52:15   European and give them this one line [TS]

00:52:17   where he has the annoying but [TS]

00:52:19   probability to care about people and [TS]

00:52:20   take and make you make you better [TS]

00:52:23   anyway it was it was again yeah [TS]

00:52:25   unnecessary unimportant but they weren't [TS]

00:52:28   afraid to be have cynical people accuse [TS]

00:52:30   them of being overly sentimental that so [TS]

00:52:32   that's that takes guts in a sitcom [TS]

00:52:34   oh yeah not to mention a show that [TS]

00:52:36   actually let Rob Lowe do something [TS]

00:52:38   successfully for the first time not like [TS]

00:52:40   you care [TS]

00:52:42   he's funny and he's funny as hell [TS]

00:52:44   because he's allowed to be a pretty boy [TS]

00:52:46   have a pretty boy fancy lad [TS]

00:52:49   well and and uh Adam Scott you know uh [TS]

00:52:51   oh absolutely great and you know well in [TS]

00:52:54   party down [TS]

00:52:55   and is great in this and and I think [TS]

00:52:57   puts the the whole fact that they that [TS]

00:52:59   he comes in and and and they fall in [TS]

00:53:04   love and get married and you've got your [TS]

00:53:06   main character getting married and you [TS]

00:53:08   know what it say there's plenty of [TS]

00:53:11   comedy in them falling in love there's [TS]

00:53:13   plenty of comedy and them getting [TS]

00:53:14   married and there's plenty of comedy and [TS]

00:53:16   being married and it you know series [TS]

00:53:19   that avoid those kinds of places in [TS]

00:53:22   somebody's life because they're afraid [TS]

00:53:23   that if they if they change their gonna [TS]

00:53:26   ruin things I this is another great [TS]

00:53:28   example but they do that with with [TS]

00:53:30   everybody I mean like that the another [TS]

00:53:32   episode that gets me for that is they go [TS]

00:53:34   they take an episode where you where [TS]

00:53:36   Andy and April are going to get married [TS]

00:53:38   yes and they started with the episode [TS]

00:53:40   thinking oh my god this is such an awful [TS]

00:53:41   idea but just because these two [TS]

00:53:43   characters are so you know terrible in [TS]

00:53:46   different ways and immature and that can [TS]

00:53:47   think and they totally win you over the [TS]

00:53:50   course of that episode to show you that [TS]

00:53:51   the yeah okay these guys are immature in [TS]

00:53:54   a little bit bizarre but they're also [TS]

00:53:55   you know in love and clearly you know [TS]

00:53:58   make a great pair and they've done a [TS]

00:54:01   great job with those two characters too [TS]

00:54:02   i really i love those can I love Chris [TS]

00:54:04   Pratt I think he's i think is a yes I [TS]

00:54:07   think he's a star basically and I think [TS]

00:54:09   he is going to get to the point i think [TS]

00:54:10   you got a couple starring roles coming [TS]

00:54:12   up the axe here and i think he is he [TS]

00:54:14   could be an a-lister like he's just he's [TS]

00:54:16   great he's fantastic you read about the [TS]

00:54:18   formation of the show and you feel you [TS]

00:54:20   you really see the payoff of all these [TS]

00:54:22   actors they cast because we don't know [TS]

00:54:25   the the producers are some of the [TS]

00:54:26   writers are saying we don't know what [TS]

00:54:28   we're going to do with this character [TS]

00:54:28   yet but we really really like this actor [TS]

00:54:31   we figure if we just both have a walking [TS]

00:54:33   through some scenes we'll figure out [TS]

00:54:34   what to do with them later and I think [TS]

00:54:35   that that's exactly it [TS]

00:54:36   well let me tell you Andy Chris Pratt is [TS]

00:54:39   uh i would argue now you could say that [TS]

00:54:41   that that the character of Leslie Leslie [TS]

00:54:44   Knope is is not served well in the first [TS]

00:54:46   six episodes that you didn't watch [TS]

00:54:48   because Apple wisely [TS]

00:54:49   I mean and because she seems annoying [TS]

00:54:51   and that's actually what I think a huge [TS]

00:54:53   problem with it but as a sidenote Chris [TS]

00:54:56   Pratt in the first six episodes i have [TS]

00:54:59   not hated a character and more than [TS]

00:55:02   chris pratt and those absence [TS]

00:55:04   he's awful he is because he is and my [TS]

00:55:06   friend and he's an ear [TS]

00:55:07   he's a loser [TS]

00:55:08   sir he's dragging her down he's going to [TS]

00:55:10   live in the bottom of the of the pit and [TS]

00:55:13   he's he's just he's a failure who's [TS]

00:55:15   ruining it for somebody a character that [TS]

00:55:18   we're supposed to like and the fact that [TS]

00:55:21   they turned him around not just the show [TS]

00:55:23   but that character and redeemed him is [TS]

00:55:26   shocking to me because he was really not [TS]

00:55:30   well served in that first season one day [TS]

00:55:32   they you know that it's hard to even [TS]

00:55:34   think about that now considering how [TS]

00:55:36   wonderful and unlovable that character [TS]

00:55:37   is oh yeah i'll just assume like the [TS]

00:55:39   first season isn't the American versions [TS]

00:55:41   like the the Austrian license the engine [TS]

00:55:43   with a recast it i think the writers [TS]

00:55:45   didn't really understand the characters [TS]

00:55:46   the north korean version really i think [TS]

00:55:50   i think we can all agree that Jerry is [TS]

00:55:52   the worst though right now Gerald Hodges [TS]

00:55:54   chick Gary it's gonna fit Jerry that's [TS]

00:55:58   the only character trip over because [TS]

00:56:00   it's aight i guess that supposed to be [TS]

00:56:02   sort of an affectionate sort of blaming [TS]

00:56:05   everything on Jerry that there's so many [TS]

00:56:07   times for a single man it's actually [TS]

00:56:09   really it's like the Jerry should leave [TS]

00:56:12   at this point if if you weren't like two [TS]

00:56:13   years away from retirement hit it feels [TS]

00:56:16   like why they're being so maybe it does [TS]

00:56:18   retire then he comes back Jerry with his [TS]

00:56:21   beautiful wife and his beautiful [TS]

00:56:22   children [TS]

00:56:23   I love that that's the whole areas for [TS]

00:56:24   ya christie brinkley seriously yeah yeah [TS]

00:56:28   Jerry's Jerry's the one who's laughing [TS]

00:56:31   who's laughing now it's generally these [TS]

00:56:33   name is not agree it's gary it's never [TS]

00:56:36   corrected anybody all right with your we [TS]

00:56:40   rapidly running out of time so if people [TS]

00:56:42   would like to mention other shows let's [TS]

00:56:43   let's other new shows that have caught [TS]

00:56:45   your attention for good or for ill this [TS]

00:56:48   would be a good time to mention them [TS]

00:56:49   well I i gave a try to all the new [TS]

00:56:52   thursday night comedies both on CBS and [TS]

00:56:55   NBC and right now they're still you know [TS]

00:56:59   they're still kind of like this shape [TS]

00:57:02   and lumps of dough that are still baking [TS]

00:57:04   but so far i'm sticking with the crazy [TS]

00:57:07   ones on CBS that's the robin williams [TS]

00:57:09   and sarah michelle gellar in yes David [TS]

00:57:13   Kelly screen works and Buffy working [TS]

00:57:16   Buffy Buffy should not do comedy but but [TS]

00:57:18   i would watch Morgan Buffy [TS]

00:57:21   that actually be funnier I've only seen [TS]

00:57:23   the pilot of the crazy ones and what [TS]

00:57:24   struck me about it was interesting as I [TS]

00:57:26   thought that they use Robin Williams [TS]

00:57:27   effectively and I was kind of afraid of [TS]

00:57:30   how they were going to use Robin [TS]

00:57:31   Williams and the pacing of it felt like [TS]

00:57:32   I was watching a movie more than a [TS]

00:57:34   sitcom in that it didn't seem like that [TS]

00:57:37   the way the the diet it was like well [TS]

00:57:39   because it's david kelly was like [TS]

00:57:40   rapid-fire dialogue and so I felt like I [TS]

00:57:42   was listening to listen to like you know [TS]

00:57:44   snappy dialogue and not listening to I [TS]

00:57:47   talk about sitcom rhythm I felt like the [TS]

00:57:49   crazy ones at least in the pilot episode [TS]

00:57:50   didn't have a sitcom rhythm it had issue [TS]

00:57:53   and i'm not sure i really loved it but [TS]

00:57:55   it didn't feel it felt like more like I [TS]

00:57:57   was watching half an hour over rom-com [TS]

00:57:59   rather then a sitcom it really needs to [TS]

00:58:02   be an hour long show i mean david kelly [TS]

00:58:05   has that style and he's I mean it is [TS]

00:58:08   it's gotten a little better in terms of [TS]

00:58:11   sitcom pacing I think I think sarah [TS]

00:58:14   michelle gellar has been horrific Lee [TS]

00:58:15   miscast because she's yes [TS]

00:58:17   not good in this at all new all she's [TS]

00:58:22   there to do is basically like look at [TS]

00:58:24   her father and be like come on let's [TS]

00:58:26   take this seriously right she's she's [TS]

00:58:29   the than the typical shrill exasperated [TS]

00:58:31   David killer heroin and she's just I [TS]

00:58:34   mean now she nails that but I don't want [TS]

00:58:36   to watch that [TS]

00:58:37   yeah I was but river almost everyone [TS]

00:58:40   else in the show is a lot of fun true [TS]

00:58:42   and it's it's really fun to watch the [TS]

00:58:43   three men robin williams and James walk [TS]

00:58:46   and hamish linklater bouncing off one [TS]

00:58:50   another they're fantastic together and [TS]

00:58:53   it's it's really neat that they show the [TS]

00:58:55   outtakes as the end credits because you [TS]

00:58:57   can see some of them are keeping up with [TS]

00:58:59   Robin in terms of improv and ad-lib [TS]

00:59:01   which that's no mean feeling whenever [TS]

00:59:06   it's sort of like the gene siskel test [TS]

00:59:07   of you know would you almost rather see [TS]

00:59:10   these people sitting around talking [TS]

00:59:12   instead of watching the thing they're [TS]

00:59:14   making sometimes I wish for shows like [TS]

00:59:16   that to be cancelled so that people who [TS]

00:59:17   are good can go on and do better chose [TS]

00:59:19   like James Wolk i really liked in a [TS]

00:59:21   couple other things it's like yeah [TS]

00:59:22   somebody to give him another shot at a [TS]

00:59:24   starting role because he was pretty [TS]

00:59:25   great on mad men and in the short-lived [TS]

00:59:27   lonestar you [TS]

00:59:29   oh that was so so said the other the [TS]

00:59:33   other one I'm sticking with on Thursday [TS]

00:59:35   nights is the Michael J Fox show which [TS]

00:59:38   is it still gentle it's not [TS]

00:59:43   laugh-out-loud all that much although [TS]

00:59:45   occasionally there is a good laugh line [TS]

00:59:47   but what's interesting is that the the [TS]

00:59:52   actors all have a wonderful chemistry [TS]

00:59:54   already and you just you sort of want [TS]

00:59:57   the writing to catch up to the king [TS]

00:59:57   the writing to catch up to the king [TS]

01:00:00   the characters and and you know it could [TS]

01:00:03   be it could be really good [TS]

01:00:04   it's almost there but it's on after Sean [TS]

01:00:09   saves the world which makes me want to [TS]

01:00:10   put a bullet in my head so and that's [TS]

01:00:14   the nicest thing I could say about it i [TS]

01:00:16   watched two minutes of sean saves the [TS]

01:00:17   world and said okay that's done [TS]

01:00:19   yeah Michael J Fox show i watched the [TS]

01:00:22   first two or three and you know I i had [TS]

01:00:26   i felt that i felt no need to watch more [TS]

01:00:28   of it I it was you know it was a show [TS]

01:00:31   and also actually what struck me about [TS]

01:00:33   that shows that it's two shows its [TS]

01:00:34   there's a workplace in a family and they [TS]

01:00:36   seem to not it almost seems like you [TS]

01:00:39   know sometimes they're legendarily their [TS]

01:00:40   shows that like they had their first [TS]

01:00:42   season it's a typical and then they like [TS]

01:00:44   new heart is like that and there's some [TS]

01:00:46   other shows the barney miller right and [TS]

01:00:48   and and then they figured it out and I [TS]

01:00:50   feel like Michael J Fox shows like this [TS]

01:00:52   the e they're accepting that that's the [TS]

01:00:54   gambit it's like we're just going to do [TS]

01:00:56   both and see which one works and then I [TS]

01:00:59   imagine that if it comes back for [TS]

01:01:00   another year to be like well hit the [TS]

01:01:03   work thing didn't work out or we don't [TS]

01:01:05   see the family much anymore it's more [TS]

01:01:07   about him at work because it can't be [TS]

01:01:10   too there's too many characters for a [TS]

01:01:12   half an hour show it then too much and [TS]

01:01:16   you have a new shows people want to [TS]

01:01:17   highlight well yeah the other the other [TS]

01:01:19   show i'm still looking for it is a [TS]

01:01:20   couples looking forward to like almost [TS]

01:01:22   human yes not debut yet yeah its debut [TS]

01:01:25   guys we were actually going to be able [TS]

01:01:26   to talk about it and then they push back [TS]

01:01:28   the debut two weeks so it's not this [TS]

01:01:30   weekend but i'm excited because i like [TS]

01:01:32   Karl Karl Urban a lot [TS]

01:01:34   yeah previously very good for that and [TS]

01:01:36   it's from the people who do fringe and [TS]

01:01:37   sleepy hollow yes can basically like [TS]

01:01:40   like one of two games on television [TS]

01:01:42   right now right [TS]

01:01:43   unfortunately like I've picked up like [TS]

01:01:46   three or four new shows in the past [TS]

01:01:48   couple months but all of them are [TS]

01:01:49   returning shows i missed the first time [TS]

01:01:51   so they're new to you whether they're [TS]

01:01:53   new to me but but but it shows it really [TS]

01:01:56   for me at least it it i'm just not [TS]

01:01:58   willing to I can't get excited about a [TS]

01:02:01   new show and not excited enough to [TS]

01:02:03   change my schedule or added to the DVR [TS]

01:02:05   like i missed the first season of Bob's [TS]

01:02:07   Burgers and now that's one of my [TS]

01:02:08   favorite shows i think it's an [TS]

01:02:09   exceptional [TS]

01:02:11   completely out of place on the same but [TS]

01:02:13   in front of in front of an hour worth of [TS]

01:02:15   Seth MacFarlane yes that's why I stayed [TS]

01:02:17   away because that's a that's too close [TS]

01:02:20   to Seth McFarland for me [TS]

01:02:22   yeah and plus again there was another [TS]

01:02:23   case of I saw the two I saw the previews [TS]

01:02:25   they picked all the wrong jokes they [TS]

01:02:28   highlighted all the wrong parts of the [TS]

01:02:30   show and then part of it was oh so they [TS]

01:02:33   have like grown-up men playing the parts [TS]

01:02:35   of voicing the parts of like young the [TS]

01:02:37   the child girls how adult swim of you [TS]

01:02:40   how avant-garde pass and of course that [TS]

01:02:43   AC out of enjoying the show earlier [TS]

01:02:45   alright I watch it I i was listening to [TS]

01:02:47   a city or a podcast with writers from [TS]

01:02:50   the daily show and they were talking [TS]

01:02:52   about returning te and you know people I [TS]

01:02:56   respect their comedy chops and they were [TS]

01:02:58   all in agreement that Bob's Burgers was [TS]

01:03:00   great and I thought really really [TS]

01:03:03   because all I can judge buys those [TS]

01:03:04   stupid fox brother also i'll say two to [TS]

01:03:06   three quick things about it that make it [TS]

01:03:08   unique number one they have the this I [TS]

01:03:10   think it's the only cartoon show where [TS]

01:03:13   they have the actors like all recording [TS]

01:03:15   their lines at the same time so that [TS]

01:03:17   either on the East Coast West Coast [TS]

01:03:19   simultaneously over ISDN so we have [TS]

01:03:21   characters actually interacting with [TS]

01:03:23   each other and even talking over each [TS]

01:03:25   other which totally changes the energy [TS]

01:03:27   of it [TS]

01:03:28   secondly they're writing kid characters [TS]

01:03:30   like their kid characters that that if [TS]

01:03:32   you are the ones the one show that will [TS]

01:03:34   almost certainly hook you is the [TS]

01:03:36   halloween episode that just aired a [TS]

01:03:38   couple weeks ago where the kids the kids [TS]

01:03:40   wanted I have this great great plan to [TS]

01:03:43   like absolutely when Halloween [TS]

01:03:45   trick-or-treating they're gonna have [TS]

01:03:46   their parents make them a dragon costume [TS]

01:03:48   and they're going to be for kids under [TS]

01:03:49   it but they're gonna tell everybody [TS]

01:03:50   everywhere they ring the doorbell to [TS]

01:03:52   tell every there's ten kids under there [TS]

01:03:54   and it's ready it just was so nostalgic [TS]

01:03:56   for me because this is the mentality of [TS]

01:03:59   you when you're like eight nine ten [TS]

01:04:00   years old and there's this one night [TS]

01:04:02   where you can just go from house to [TS]

01:04:03   house and get free candy and that's just [TS]

01:04:06   up with the perfect perfect episodes and [TS]

01:04:08   and and again the ability to have that [TS]

01:04:11   moment where here is a moment where we [TS]

01:04:13   can either ruin it by being sarcastic [TS]

01:04:15   and cynical or we can have a line that [TS]

01:04:17   says that these people have [TS]

01:04:18   relationships with each other that are [TS]

01:04:19   good and sustaining ok we will not we [TS]

01:04:22   will go up we will not do the singer [TS]

01:04:24   will [TS]

01:04:24   actually go for that nice moment but the [TS]

01:04:26   episode with just so really really and [TS]

01:04:28   and the music got the music like that [TS]

01:04:30   from songs exactly like I the the from [TS]

01:04:34   the the Topsy episode last year last [TS]

01:04:37   season there's a where there's like a [TS]

01:04:39   science fair project that involves [TS]

01:04:41   Thomas Edison and that when the girls [TS]

01:04:43   like wants to like sort of point out to [TS]

01:04:45   a teacher that Edison actually had an [TS]

01:04:46   open executed but the other brother [TS]

01:04:48   writes this like little musical about [TS]

01:04:50   the actual execution of the elephant and [TS]

01:04:52   it's a great song like you wind up to [TS]

01:04:55   sort of like singing it for the rest of [TS]

01:04:56   the day anyway yeah i mean that that's a [TS]

01:05:01   show that a lot of people you know I [TS]

01:05:02   stayed away from it because like at you [TS]

01:05:05   know it's in that Fox block and you know [TS]

01:05:09   a lot of people i know kept saying we [TS]

01:05:11   should watch this this is you know you [TS]

01:05:12   it's your kind of thing and I kept [TS]

01:05:14   thinking wow you just don't know my kind [TS]

01:05:17   of thing that ok fine whatever and about [TS]

01:05:20   i don't know about a year-and-a-half ago [TS]

01:05:21   I was laid up for a weekend and I'd you [TS]

01:05:25   know i was just sort of like I want [TS]

01:05:26   everyone to watch i'll try Bob's Burgers [TS]

01:05:28   and I just pounded through all of season [TS]

01:05:31   one on netflix and all of what was of [TS]

01:05:33   season two on hulu in like two days and [TS]

01:05:36   when [TS]

01:05:37   oh god I was an idiot of course Kazakhs [TS]

01:05:39   my thing that my favorite kind of show [TS]

01:05:41   is the one where you start late as [TS]

01:05:43   anything I've got my head up my butt for [TS]

01:05:45   not i could have been enjoying the show [TS]

01:05:47   for a year and a half and I'm just [TS]

01:05:48   starting to enjoy it now but then you [TS]

01:05:50   get to watch it all in one huge try and [TS]

01:05:52   feel like you've just answered which is [TS]

01:05:54   great deal like me and supernatural [TS]

01:05:55   there someday I'll finish Jason I i also [TS]

01:05:59   didn't you mentioned almost human I I [TS]

01:06:01   should throw out there that I haven't [TS]

01:06:04   seen I'm not sure any of us have seen [TS]

01:06:05   Jonathan Rhys Meyers is take on Dracula [TS]

01:06:08   in nbc's Dracula take back your plate [TS]

01:06:12   which I prefer to CPS is Dracula CBS is [TS]

01:06:16   Dracula's a courtroom drama yet CBS [TS]

01:06:19   Dracula is Sherlock Holmes it's CSI [TS]

01:06:21   Dracula actually it [TS]

01:06:23   CSI transfer he's moved to New York he's [TS]

01:06:25   partnered with Lucy Liu guess I [TS]

01:06:27   Dracula's the worst because in every [TS]

01:06:28   episode they catch the guy it's Dracula [TS]

01:06:30   its structure and he goes blah [TS]

01:06:32   you caught me any truth to that flies [TS]

01:06:34   away [TS]

01:06:35   damn it next week don't forget a net for [TS]

01:06:38   the bat close the window dammit [TS]

01:06:41   sometimes the third act did they finally [TS]

01:06:42   get chief we got the DNA traces back it [TS]

01:06:45   wasn't just to stab wounds with an [TS]

01:06:46   icepick as we originally thought [TS]

01:06:49   Dracula's struck again damn you Dracula [TS]

01:06:52   like we're gonna have to take a bite out [TS]

01:06:54   of this suspect law tried to get me this [TS]

01:06:56   time blah [TS]

01:06:57   I've been framed it was a stapler the [TS]

01:06:59   incomparable trakula will be just like [TS]

01:07:01   this [TS]

01:07:02   sorry no Jason that was CSI count [TS]

01:07:04   chocula yeah well very close very close [TS]

01:07:08   legally distinct actually the count is [TS]

01:07:11   it was one of my favorite character to [TS]

01:07:14   puncture woods haha ah he's more of a [TS]

01:07:17   serial killer the account mr. blueberry [TS]

01:07:19   I just don't know why it protecting that [TS]

01:07:22   bag of scum regular like this he would [TS]

01:07:24   flip you and five seconds if he were in [TS]

01:07:27   this room and you know it a night NYPD [TS]

01:07:29   blue berry honored all of this is far [TS]

01:07:32   more entertaining than NBC's track and [TS]

01:07:33   we we assume yes sir we didn't watch it [TS]

01:07:36   you haven't seen it we just market i [TS]

01:07:38   turned it off [TS]

01:07:39   NBC's Dracula pairs nicely with the prom [TS]

01:07:41   I saw the other day for i Frankenstein [TS]

01:07:43   looks like other works would be good to [TS]

01:07:49   be good [TS]

01:07:50   oh god that expand did somebody before [TS]

01:07:53   we started to somebody say that they [TS]

01:07:55   wanted to talk about masters of sex [TS]

01:07:57   because now's your chance that's a new [TS]

01:07:59   show i'm watching masters of sex [TS]

01:08:01   you're wearing anything Scott I i I'm [TS]

01:08:06   well you know that I didn't realize that [TS]

01:08:09   Johnson and masters use themselves in [TS]

01:08:12   their sexual research which I question [TS]

01:08:15   the the ethics and professionalism but [TS]

01:08:19   yes it seems iffy but the show itself is [TS]

01:08:23   a very good not for the kids know a lot [TS]

01:08:27   of naked people doing out what naked [TS]

01:08:30   people do play scrabble aerobics [TS]

01:08:31   scientific experiment exactly but it is [TS]

01:08:35   it is a quite good if you have whatever [TS]

01:08:38   channel it's a shot [TS]

01:08:41   that's an endorsement Scott this is a [TS]

01:08:44   show you should watch if you have that [TS]

01:08:46   connection with the problem the problem [TS]

01:08:49   though is I associate the showtime [TS]

01:08:52   jingle with Dexter so every time the [TS]

01:08:54   showtimes he starts I was assuming i'm [TS]

01:08:56   about to watch people get horribly [TS]

01:08:57   killed but now i'm about to watch people [TS]

01:09:00   have sex in the hospital so NASA takes a [TS]

01:09:04   mind-shield good news could do it is [TS]

01:09:07   kind of good news it's sure what a [TS]

01:09:09   relief [TS]

01:09:10   we were talking about shows the [TS]

01:09:12   delightful discoveries and and I i [TS]

01:09:15   mentioned this in a previous episode but [TS]

01:09:16   i'll throw it out now because they just [TS]

01:09:18   I think just reran it and hopefully [TS]

01:09:22   it'll be going on streaming to probably [TS]

01:09:24   the best show that I've discovered in [TS]

01:09:27   the in this year is a BBC America's [TS]

01:09:32   orphan black oh yes which i highly [TS]

01:09:34   recommend i like that a lot it is a [TS]

01:09:37   strange show it gets better and stranger [TS]

01:09:42   as it goes and it has the performance of [TS]

01:09:45   the year in Tatiana maslany as about [TS]

01:09:49   five different characters each playing [TS]

01:09:51   multiple versions of the other ones and [TS]

01:09:55   it's not to be missed it's a lot of fun [TS]

01:09:57   it builds as it goes I don't know what [TS]

01:09:59   the hell they're gonna do for season two [TS]

01:10:01   but I really really enjoyed season one [TS]

01:10:04   of orphan black and i actually just we [TS]

01:10:05   recorded the rear because i want to i [TS]

01:10:07   want to watch it again because it's [TS]

01:10:09   that's almost the kind of show you would [TS]

01:10:10   expect from joss whedon in a way [TS]

01:10:12   all right right back up before he was [TS]

01:10:14   shepherding billion-dollar franchise [TS]

01:10:16   around it is so it is a weird character [TS]

01:10:20   driven it's a high-concept show I mean [TS]

01:10:23   about these women who are all clones and [TS]

01:10:24   so they're all played by the same [TS]

01:10:25   actress but it goes with it it it plays [TS]

01:10:29   that premise to its its fullest and it's [TS]

01:10:33   much more about the the characters than [TS]

01:10:35   you might think [TS]

01:10:37   and the the you know it gets funny as it [TS]

01:10:41   goes a lot of great supporting cast to [TS]

01:10:45   lots of good stuff so i recommend that [TS]

01:10:47   one even though that's been a little [TS]

01:10:48   while because that was my that's that's [TS]

01:10:52   my real winner of a discovery I [TS]

01:10:53   the year more than any of these shows [TS]

01:10:56   this fall so far i got to recurring [TS]

01:10:58   shows that I i wanted to give a shout [TS]

01:11:02   out to one is arrow which I think I've [TS]

01:11:03   mentioned before which is not like its [TS]

01:11:05   kind of sleepy hollow level basically if [TS]

01:11:08   you like comic book stuff this is a show [TS]

01:11:09   like you know that did it much better [TS]

01:11:11   than agents of field which is how do we [TS]

01:11:12   take you know a superhero and making [TS]

01:11:15   interesting every week and it's quite [TS]

01:11:18   good and there's a lot of DC Comics [TS]

01:11:20   canoe they are throwing in watts and [TS]

01:11:22   lots and lots of DC Comics stuff in more [TS]

01:11:25   recent episodes Rachel ghoul has not [TS]

01:11:27   showed up but been mentioned many times [TS]

01:11:29   the League of Assassins you know lots of [TS]

01:11:32   great DC Comics fanboy odd set and it's [TS]

01:11:37   in it's fun and they have you no good [TS]

01:11:39   characters and do some writing and good [TS]

01:11:42   casting so I actually think that shows [TS]

01:11:47   pretty great idea that's on my legs of [TS]

01:11:49   of going back and watching CSI watch the [TS]

01:11:51   first season all over the summer and [TS]

01:11:52   then like start up with the second [TS]

01:11:54   season when it just kicked off and they [TS]

01:11:56   have really not pulled like they were on [TS]

01:11:58   full throttle into the second season so [TS]

01:12:00   it's a it's pretty entertaining [TS]

01:12:02   alright and the other one is a legend of [TS]

01:12:06   korra which if is the follow-up to the [TS]

01:12:10   avatar the last airbender gorgeously [TS]

01:12:13   animated series on nickelodeon actually [TS]

01:12:15   and I think they're about in the middle [TS]

01:12:18   of the second season right now and talk [TS]

01:12:21   about a show that manages to to be both [TS]

01:12:24   funny and incredibly touching at times [TS]

01:12:27   and just all around beautiful with some [TS]

01:12:30   great voice acting and it's just it's [TS]

01:12:32   fantastic show and it's pretty [TS]

01:12:35   accessible i think it probably helps if [TS]

01:12:37   you've seen avatar which is our longer [TS]

01:12:41   but this is I think they're on there [TS]

01:12:42   second of you know 13 episode season [TS]

01:12:45   essentially for Legend of Korra but it [TS]

01:12:46   looks a lot better than avatar in many [TS]

01:12:48   ways the animation is superior [TS]

01:12:50   so yeah that one gets a huge thumbs up [TS]

01:12:52   that's great show [TS]

01:12:53   alright what else this is your this is [TS]

01:12:55   your last chance to put in a plug for a [TS]

01:12:57   new or returning show that you like this [TS]

01:12:59   might be kind of an unplug I've been out [TS]

01:13:02   i came back to how i met your mother [TS]

01:13:05   because it's the final see [TS]

01:13:07   and and some of us have been watching [TS]

01:13:11   all along go over just horse Stockholm [TS]

01:13:13   Syndrome is lovely this time of year we [TS]

01:13:14   and bastard my god [TS]

01:13:16   uh yeah it's it's it's an interesting [TS]

01:13:20   idea i mean part of what brought me back [TS]

01:13:22   was was the structure that the entire [TS]

01:13:24   season is taking place over the course [TS]

01:13:26   of this long weekend with with the [TS]

01:13:30   script you know culminates in the [TS]

01:13:31   wedding and then beating the mother and [TS]

01:13:35   what I'm finding is that first of all [TS]

01:13:40   it's really weird the jason segel is [TS]

01:13:42   sort of separated from everyone else in [TS]

01:13:44   the cast [TS]

01:13:44   it's almost like that last season of the [TS]

01:13:46   Bob Newhart show where they're like [TS]

01:13:48   seven or eight episodes where where Bob [TS]

01:13:51   calls and says hi I'm on the road and [TS]

01:13:54   he's not in the rest of the episode [TS]

01:13:56   which is really weird and he just wanted [TS]

01:13:58   a vacation for the last season and so [TS]

01:14:02   that's weird but the other thing I'm [TS]

01:14:04   noticing is by taking it down to this [TS]

01:14:07   micro level it's really highlighting [TS]

01:14:11   everything you could possibly hate about [TS]

01:14:13   every one of these characters it's it's [TS]

01:14:16   really hard to watch and every now and [TS]

01:14:19   then there's a nice moment and then they [TS]

01:14:21   go back and do something really in a way [TS]

01:14:22   like oh it has that sitcom problem we [TS]

01:14:26   were talking about earlier way out after [TS]

01:14:28   nine seasons it's like this this show [TS]

01:14:30   used to be brilliant and funny and they [TS]

01:14:33   just kind of devolved into let's hit the [TS]

01:14:35   same three notice you know for each [TS]

01:14:38   character and that's unfortunate [TS]

01:14:40   every character is distorted and a [TS]

01:14:42   parody of the original character and [TS]

01:14:45   like you dan I've watched them all and [TS]

01:14:47   i'm just gonna grind through it till the [TS]

01:14:48   end because yeah that's where at the end [TS]

01:14:50   now and every now and then there's a [TS]

01:14:52   glimmer glimmer where you realize that [TS]

01:14:55   this you know but you know [TS]

01:14:57   yeah and these shows were not made for [TS]

01:14:59   this many episodes this is that out that [TS]

01:15:02   it's that classic simpsons line at that [TS]

01:15:04   was said by phil hartman which is what [TS]

01:15:06   you know will continue until the series [TS]

01:15:08   becomes unprofitable and I think about [TS]

01:15:11   that with these you know when you're in [TS]

01:15:12   season 8 of a sitcom it's like there is [TS]

01:15:15   nothing left here there is i mean it's [TS]

01:15:19   rare is it's not impossible but it [TS]

01:15:21   it's rare and it usually takes some kind [TS]

01:15:23   of bold new directions on a new [TS]

01:15:27   characters to make it different and how [TS]

01:15:30   i met your mother is the same characters [TS]

01:15:32   we started with and they've just been in [TS]

01:15:34   this period of kind of arrested [TS]

01:15:37   development and they you know what what [TS]

01:15:38   passes for changes that two characters [TS]

01:15:41   come together and then they split apart [TS]

01:15:42   and then they come back together again [TS]

01:15:43   which isn't change it all the characters [TS]

01:15:46   don't really change right like that's it [TS]

01:15:47   the situation change the beginning it [TS]

01:15:49   was a brilliant kind of like on socom [TS]

01:15:51   and now it's just a fun and it's really [TS]

01:15:54   weird that you know when you get to the [TS]

01:15:56   ninth season this is one of the few [TS]

01:15:58   shows i've seen where they they didn't [TS]

01:16:01   develop any other characters there's no [TS]

01:16:04   surrounding world around these people [TS]

01:16:06   except for you know the occasional guest [TS]

01:16:08   but I realized that i'm i'm potentially [TS]

01:16:11   touching the third rail of of nerd pop [TS]

01:16:13   culture here but as somebody who has [TS]

01:16:15   also seen every episode of the big bang [TS]

01:16:16   theory i would argue that the reason [TS]

01:16:18   that the big baby maybe with me on this [TS]

01:16:20   the reason the big bang theory is still [TS]

01:16:22   interesting at all now is because over [TS]

01:16:25   the last few years they introduced three [TS]

01:16:28   feet whether to you there's already one [TS]

01:16:30   female characters to female counterparts [TS]

01:16:33   to other characters and created not only [TS]

01:16:35   a dynamic between the those female [TS]

01:16:38   characters and their male counterparts [TS]

01:16:39   but I didn't dynamic between the female [TS]

01:16:41   characters that added an entire like an [TS]

01:16:44   entire other sitcom on top of the [TS]

01:16:47   existing sitcom premise and that's why [TS]

01:16:49   big bang theory still has any interest [TS]

01:16:51   to me at all it's because they realized [TS]

01:16:53   they kind of had wrung out the [TS]

01:16:55   interaction between the small group of [TS]

01:16:57   characters and they added more [TS]

01:16:58   characters and they saved their show and [TS]

01:17:01   and they let the the original characters [TS]

01:17:03   grow and change and evolve exactly and [TS]

01:17:06   and and part and part of that is that [TS]

01:17:08   this this introduction to these outsider [TS]

01:17:10   characters that quickly became insider [TS]

01:17:12   characters because you know that because [TS]

01:17:14   Sheldon and Amy Farrah Fowler Amy really [TS]

01:17:18   is his counterpart only she's a lot more [TS]

01:17:21   sophisticated yet she was exactly on the [TS]

01:17:23   same level as as Sheldon when she was [TS]

01:17:26   introduced at the end of that the event [TS]

01:17:28   of that season where she's only she's [TS]

01:17:30   going on the state because his mother [TS]

01:17:32   mother has a better deal with that [TS]

01:17:34   going on Monday year and this experience [TS]

01:17:36   has opened her up as a person and [TS]

01:17:39   partner that while it is kinda cool to [TS]

01:17:41   be in a relationship it is cool to have [TS]

01:17:42   friends and it's cool to hang out I [TS]

01:17:44   should be more social [TS]

01:17:45   meanwhile and if Sheldon is still sort [TS]

01:17:47   of treading water that's a kind of okay [TS]

01:17:50   by this because we get to see here is [TS]

01:17:52   what he could be doing if he were a [TS]

01:17:53   little bit more able to adapt and change [TS]

01:17:56   and i think that I I keep hoping keep [TS]

01:17:59   wanted to write that one of the most [TS]

01:18:01   embarrassing ligi blog post I've ever [TS]

01:18:03   contemplated which is just here's a [TS]

01:18:05   breakdown of all the dynamics of big [TS]

01:18:07   bang theory and where if it was if if my [TS]

01:18:11   faith in the these writers is [TS]

01:18:13   underscored that they're gonna add some [TS]

01:18:15   point let all this come to a head [TS]

01:18:17   because there has to be there has to be [TS]

01:18:19   a scene in which it was child realizes [TS]

01:18:21   he can't be have a boyfriend anymore and [TS]

01:18:24   Amy realizes that this is not something [TS]

01:18:26   that she would have thought three years [TS]

01:18:27   ago but she can do better now because [TS]

01:18:29   now she is more developed but then a [TS]

01:18:31   petition you're absolutely right it's [TS]

01:18:33   like you could have an entire show in [TS]

01:18:35   which the in which the a story is these [TS]

01:18:37   three ladies and then the men who are [TS]

01:18:40   you know the the launch pin for the [TS]

01:18:41   entire series are just olm plus they [TS]

01:18:44   have to fix the water the guys have to [TS]

01:18:45   fix the washing machine but really this [TS]

01:18:47   is all going to be about about about the [TS]

01:18:49   about the ladies having a long long [TS]

01:18:50   discussion about about their lives that [TS]

01:18:52   would be great one [TS]

01:18:53   you know it's like the other week you [TS]

01:18:55   know this is a show that started as a [TS]

01:18:56   very standard issue sitcom you know very [TS]

01:19:00   basic joke delivery system and you know [TS]

01:19:03   and I've watched it from the beginning [TS]

01:19:04   and if you had told me at the beginning [TS]

01:19:07   of the series that what seven years in [TS]

01:19:10   they're gonna do a thing where Wolowitz [TS]

01:19:12   is not only married but he's romantic [TS]

01:19:15   and he sings this beautiful song to his [TS]

01:19:18   wife and that i would tear up watching [TS]

01:19:21   that song exist likely and I was a [TS]

01:19:24   seriously it's like this is like just [TS]

01:19:28   like just like some people will be like [TS]

01:19:30   watching watching like a football game [TS]

01:19:32   in which someone running the ball from [TS]

01:19:34   the 20 to 30 to 40 then read their own [TS]

01:19:36   end zone and your biggest don't fall [TS]

01:19:38   don't fumble don't fall don't trouble i [TS]

01:19:40   was watching that beautiful beautiful [TS]

01:19:42   song that beautiful beautiful moment [TS]

01:19:44   it's like oh please don't end with a [TS]

01:19:46   joke where because she's behind [TS]

01:19:48   she couldn't hear that all you got what [TS]

01:19:50   did you just do please let this be oh [TS]

01:19:52   yes yes yes text you let it be an [TS]

01:19:54   authentic moment [TS]

01:19:55   god I love you chuck lorre I forgive you [TS]

01:19:57   I forgive you for two and a half men and [TS]

01:20:00   and i gotta say you know the they've [TS]

01:20:01   released the song on itunes with the [TS]

01:20:04   original cast singing it's a different [TS]

01:20:06   recording it sits slightly more polished [TS]

01:20:08   and all the proceeds going to charity [TS]

01:20:09   which is wonderful and I went and bought [TS]

01:20:12   it and and then the actor who plays well [TS]

01:20:15   with he was actually playing yeah he's [TS]

01:20:17   amazing that's amazing Amy yeah and he's [TS]

01:20:20   in a dr horrible's sing-along blog by [TS]

01:20:22   Joss Whedon see we brought all the way [TS]

01:20:25   back around two minutes bad show uh-oh [TS]

01:20:28   Scott it's no supernatural know what is [TS]

01:20:33   really well on that note I feel like [TS]

01:20:36   what we've done here is proven that we [TS]

01:20:37   have no lives and what we do is watch [TS]

01:20:39   television [TS]

01:20:40   alright you got this according to German [TS]

01:20:42   you got us [TS]

01:20:44   guilty as charged this is like the final [TS]

01:20:46   episode of seinfeld that's right that's [TS]

01:20:49   right we can't escape [TS]

01:20:50   we've proven that we've talked ourselves [TS]

01:20:51   into a corner listeners you're no better [TS]

01:20:54   you're listening to us talk about [TS]

01:20:55   television was that make you know that [TS]

01:20:57   means they're better than us because [TS]

01:20:58   they listen to people talking about [TS]

01:21:01   television they don't actually watch it [TS]

01:21:03   themselves at all not at least we're out [TS]

01:21:05   there living television are just living [TS]

01:21:07   on the television vicariously through us [TS]

01:21:10   ok so that very there you go down and [TS]

01:21:12   just accept the stuff we didn't talk [TS]

01:21:13   about in that show that they premiered [TS]

01:21:15   two weeks late so I could talk about it [TS]

01:21:16   but otherwise we have a sturdy have [TS]

01:21:19   wrapped up faulty I hope we've given you [TS]

01:21:20   some ideas of things that you want to [TS]

01:21:22   watch or we may be made you shake your [TS]

01:21:23   fist and yeah that bothered me too i [TS]

01:21:26   don't know that those are all valid [TS]

01:21:27   choices those are all valid responses to [TS]

01:21:29   this and watch what you like [TS]

01:21:31   yeah that's the big bang theory even if [TS]

01:21:33   you yes yes even if you have a hardened [TS]

01:21:36   are watching the big bang theory and are [TS]

01:21:38   not heartless monster like Scott it [TS]

01:21:41   oh did I say that out loud it works for [TS]

01:21:44   me [TS]

01:21:45   he all right but you are watching [TS]

01:21:46   masters of sex so it's true so haha who [TS]

01:21:49   is winning [TS]

01:21:50   it is a fine example of programming on [TS]

01:21:52   the whatever channel it is on if you had [TS]

01:21:53   that and it's true if you have that [TS]

01:21:55   channel if you have that channel watch [TS]

01:21:57   that show that's on that tile it up [TS]

01:21:59   yep good advice [TS]

01:22:01   or at least advice alright so i want to [TS]

01:22:04   thank my guest is always the couch [TS]

01:22:06   potatoes of the incomparable the morin [TS]

01:22:08   thank you for being here [TS]

01:22:10   always a pleasure i gotta go watch some [TS]

01:22:12   TV yeah yeah I got a half a season of [TS]

01:22:14   supernatural still to go through Scott [TS]

01:22:16   McNulty thank you as always thank you [TS]

01:22:19   for having me on [TS]

01:22:20   i forgot to mention the good wife so [TS]

01:22:22   watch that too [TS]

01:22:23   ok other book versions of the TV series [TS]

01:22:26   that we should be keeping an eye out for [TS]

01:22:28   turn turn TV in a book [TS]

01:22:30   look I i I'd you have a collection of [TS]

01:22:33   short stories about colombo ok good so [TS]

01:22:36   look for that check that out [TS]

01:22:38   David Laura thanks for being here again [TS]

01:22:40   thank you as always i'm i'm just going [TS]

01:22:42   to go over to my bookshelf and pull off [TS]

01:22:44   all the a-team novelizations which I kid [TS]

01:22:47   you not or sitting right there on the 18 [TS]

01:22:49   that's a classic what it do they how do [TS]

01:22:52   they describe the scenes where they [TS]

01:22:53   build a build something in the middle as [TS]

01:22:56   an interleaving music played tail just [TS]

01:22:58   describe your music that's really weird [TS]

01:22:59   that they have to have like charts and [TS]

01:23:01   how they built the flamethrower to put [TS]

01:23:03   on top of the van why don't they just go [TS]

01:23:04   and they built a flamethrower out of [TS]

01:23:06   things they find it's actually 30 pages [TS]

01:23:08   of ba saying i get on a plane and [TS]

01:23:11   getting on the moon food see dan dan [TS]

01:23:13   knows the a-team he can make a reference [TS]

01:23:15   to the 18 the beast in the billions [TS]

01:23:17   we're going on the 18 [TS]

01:23:18   yeah and antioch oh thank you so much [TS]

01:23:22   for being on the uncomfortable TV [TS]

01:23:24   special TV addition you're an excellent [TS]

01:23:26   host Ron Swanson and that wraps it up [TS]

01:23:31   for this week's incomparable I hope [TS]

01:23:33   you've got some TV to go watch fill your [TS]

01:23:36   DVRs enjoy settle down in the couch with [TS]

01:23:39   a little cup of tea or some other sort [TS]

01:23:41   of adult beverage and and watch nbc's [TS]

01:23:44   Dracula fill your DVRs with tea and it [TS]

01:23:48   there until next time this is jason [TS]

01:23:50   still signing off and comfortable thanks [TS]

01:23:52   for listening [TS]