0:00:00the Intolerable number 167 November's
0:00:09welcome back to being comfortable
0:00:10podcast I'm your host Jason snow and
0:00:12this is our second edition of our old
0:00:14movie clip we travel back in time and
0:00:17laundry and watch movies that are very
0:00:20old in this case 61 years old and that
0:00:23we may or may not have seen before i had
0:00:26seen none of these movies they're all
0:00:29from 1952 they were selected by our old
0:00:32movie so Mellie a fill-up Michaels who
0:00:35is here with me now hi Phil hello
0:00:38I let me introduce our panel before we
0:00:40get to these three movies
0:00:41yes it's an epic it's an epic cast
0:00:43almost like a Selby didn't film it's
0:00:46practically a sensibility milk
0:00:48production
0:00:49I can't wait to see who the killer clown
0:00:51is it's probably Steve let's hi Steve it
0:00:55biggity Jason always dignity
0:01:01uh you heard the laughter of Lisa
0:01:03speiser there hi Lisa
0:01:05hi it's a pleasure to be here good to
0:01:07have you here David lower is also here
0:01:08hi David hi this is like a clown car you
0:01:12just panelists keep coming out this is
0:01:14great
0:01:15mahdi ash we also joins us haimanti draw
0:01:19partner haha theres another movie
0:01:23there's another movie good reference and
0:01:27Erica and sinus back on the podcast hi
0:01:29Erica
0:01:29hello welcome back thank you
0:01:33so okay Phil tell me your your-your-your
0:01:35you suggested this premise it's all
0:01:37based on the Academy Awards of 1952 can
0:01:40you explain a little bit about what we
0:01:41did I want to take you back in time to
0:01:43see you're not not all the way back to
0:01:45nineteen fifty-two now let's let's just
0:01:47go back to the nineteen eighties when I
0:01:49was a little kid and well medium-sized
0:01:52alright and getting into movies and
0:01:54thank you know i'm going to learn all
0:01:56that I can about movies and I'm gonna do
0:01:58it by watching the very best movies I
0:02:00can obviously the very best movies are
0:02:02the ones that when the best picture
0:02:04oscar course and one Sunday afternoon I
0:02:09think channel to up in the bay area was
0:02:11showing the greatest show on earth and
0:02:13so I decided to sit down and and and
0:02:16watch this epic sprawling sesame the
0:02:19middle story of loves and life's lost on
0:02:21the circus
0:02:22five hours later with commercials five
0:02:24hours later in fact I believe they
0:02:26actually broken up into two consecutive
0:02:28weekends is how long aired on commercial
0:02:30TV and I got it through and I that was
0:02:35when sort of the scales fall off the
0:02:37eyes and you realize you know maybe
0:02:39films that may be the best picture
0:02:41doesn't always win the best picture
0:02:42award and over the years I've seen other
0:02:46movies that that came out that year and
0:02:49you know you get your years like crash
0:02:51winning the the best picture that's
0:02:53often cited as the most recent example
0:02:55and who knows if the movies that came
0:02:59out that you will stand the test of time
0:03:00like a brokeback mountain or for capote
0:03:04i think was nominated that year but we
0:03:06we do have a pretty good track record of
0:03:081952 where the movies sort of fit in the
0:03:11pantheon there and other movies that
0:03:13came out that you're included two that
0:03:15were what that we watch this part of
0:03:16this exercise
0:03:17singing in the rain quite possibly the
0:03:20the greatest musical ever made i would
0:03:22argue and high noon which is certainly
0:03:24one of the iconic westerns and actually
0:03:28a movie with something to say about the
0:03:29human condition and the Academy looked
0:03:33at both those movies didn't even
0:03:35nominate singing in the rain and said
0:03:36hey let's get to the circus movie and so
0:03:39so here we are now having this
0:03:40discussion in 2013
0:03:43alright so we watch singing in the rain
0:03:44high noon and the greatest show on earth
0:03:47some of us watching I made that sort of
0:03:48optional because I didn't want to be I
0:03:50don't want people to hate me
0:03:52basic you're not cruel yeah I brought it
0:03:55on yourself you need to block out a good
0:03:57chunk of your evening to watch the
0:03:59Creator show hundred because it is it it
0:04:01feels like it's a thousand years long
0:04:02it's only 800 the life I had to break it
0:04:06up over two nights
0:04:07yeah I didn't hack it got to the first
0:04:10musical number and I said that's enough
0:04:11for now
0:04:12it took me three days to get through it
0:04:13i gotta say but we gotta remember the
0:04:16greatest show on earth is just it is
0:04:17just a title not a description which
0:04:21they were on earth
0:04:23yeah it was worth it that way to show
0:04:25their children
0:04:27it wasn't freaking mean large that it
0:04:29would convene a few things I guess yes
0:04:31exactly let's just look at great as
0:04:33meaning large in the sense the largest
0:04:35show
0:04:35that was the longest of the three films
0:04:38that we watched that was the greatest
0:04:40and links for shy for you could fit like
0:04:42three high Noons into that it's alright
0:04:44it's more description of volume that
0:04:46high 2pm hi 430 yeah that would that be
0:04:51exactly right it would have been the
0:04:52high 3 325 actually be low side 420 all
0:04:58right we should start with we're going
0:05:00to start with the from the outside going
0:05:02in for the Oscars which means we're
0:05:04going to start with singing in the rain
0:05:06which is generally regarded i think is a
0:05:10movie classic and it was not even
0:05:12nominated for best picture this is a
0:05:16film actually directed by Gene Kelly and
0:05:21co-directed yeah so directed and Stanley
0:05:23Donen yeah
0:05:24mhm I and starring of course Gene Kelly
0:05:28a musical comedy Hollywood oriented a
0:05:34lot of songs lots of dancing it set it
0:05:38said in the nineteen-twenties just as
0:05:40the movies are going from the silent
0:05:42film era to the talkies it's it's it's a
0:05:46big vibrant let's put on a show type
0:05:49picture the origin story on of singing
0:05:51in the rain is i believe the studio but
0:05:53a whole catalog of songs and and
0:05:56basically said let's make let's tie
0:05:58together a movie based on these based on
0:06:00these songs which have really nothing to
0:06:02do with each other when they haven't had
0:06:03a guy named freed or something right who
0:06:05Arthur Arthur freed wasn't sure if the
0:06:08mirrors and division of that those are
0:06:10all his songs
0:06:11yes right those and i think most of the
0:06:13most of the songs in this film had been
0:06:15used several times already before this
0:06:18film never came out so it's like a chick
0:06:20body and musical in a way especially I
0:06:24not to get ahead of ourselves but
0:06:25especially towards the end where there's
0:06:27that moment of like oh and then we'll do
0:06:29a scene that set in the present day and
0:06:31it'll be like this and then there's a
0:06:33random musical number that just
0:06:36interminable is really yes
0:06:39so that is the obligatory in every gene
0:06:42kelly movie there's there's a scene
0:06:44where he discussed i'm going to dance
0:06:46now select a Broadway
0:06:47the good news is you can get up and go
0:06:49get a snack or go to the bathroom to
0:06:51clean something and you can come back
0:06:52and you've just got the end of it you
0:06:54feel super productive i think i think is
0:06:56that the one where where it ends with
0:06:57the they cut back to the producer and
0:06:59he's like well I can't picture it can't
0:07:01quite yeah yeah that was good that was
0:07:03good that was a good joke I i was so i'm
0:07:08not a big i'm not a big dance aficionado
0:07:09i'm just going to admit that and I know
0:07:11that that there are some people on this
0:07:13podcast know Erica enjoys dance stuff
0:07:16and I ate like I feel like dancing
0:07:18illiterate it's just I don't get it
0:07:20it's not that I hated I just don't
0:07:21understand it I didn't I did notice
0:07:24because my wife likes musicals and in
0:07:29advanced stuff and she was pointing out
0:07:31how hard it was because they had to do
0:07:32all the like fully of the tap dancing
0:07:36and and and i totally broke the spell by
0:07:40saying well you know you can tell
0:07:41because there's this most famous dancing
0:07:43maybe in film history where he's out in
0:07:45the rain and and I'm i am totally taken
0:07:49out of it by the fact that the tap
0:07:51sounds don't match where his feet are
0:07:53which means i'm a horrible human being
0:07:54and I'd like to apologize to get out
0:07:56right now
0:07:57that is correct also the tapping off the
0:07:59podcast which i understand it doesn't if
0:08:01you're actually trying to tap-dance in
0:08:03giant bubbles like he was
0:08:04oh yes either you now since so there
0:08:07I've said I've had my say so Jason what
0:08:09does it feel like to have no soul yeah
0:08:11and what do you put the mission is to be
0:08:13reduced or comic books there is what I
0:08:18actually really enjoyed this movie
0:08:21because although like i said i'm sort of
0:08:23dance illiterate I thought it was funny
0:08:27and light i love the idea that we are
0:08:31its people processing that the
0:08:33transition to the talkies and of course
0:08:36you get was Lina Lamont yes who is doing
0:08:41great the great chain Hagen all she's
0:08:42fantastic glamorous glamorous stars of
0:08:45the screen until you she opens her mouth
0:08:47and you discover that
0:08:51yeah so uh you know really funny
0:08:54uh so I I even although i have no soul
0:08:57and cannot appreciate the sheer joy of
0:08:58gene Kelly's dancing I actually I I
0:09:01really I i was entered I was very
0:09:03entertained by this movie and I thought
0:09:05that there were lots of funny funny bits
0:09:07and you know you look at movies at 61
0:09:09years old and you don't expect it to
0:09:11have a meeting with the fact that there
0:09:14was a Hollywood satire aspect to this it
0:09:17was you know a little more modern than i
0:09:19would I was going to give it credit for
0:09:21i guess i would say one of the things
0:09:24that I I I kind of pick up on over the
0:09:27years and maybe I'm seeing things that
0:09:29aren't there
0:09:30there's a real you can kind of spot the
0:09:33influence this film might have had on
0:09:35someone like the Coen brothers because
0:09:37there are just the shots of these kinds
0:09:39of grotesque background people that that
0:09:42pop up like at the the movie premiere
0:09:44and though the party at the producers
0:09:47house and it
0:09:48where where is people just pop onto the
0:09:51screen for kind of comic effect and
0:09:53feels like early coen brothers in that
0:09:54way there's there's use of a lot of a
0:09:56zoom shots and and I I kind of wonder
0:10:00how much influence that had on them
0:10:02early on maybe none whatsoever but it's
0:10:05something that I've always kinda
0:10:06appreciated about singing in the rain
0:10:09yeah I've never seen this before either
0:10:11and in fact I've never actually seen a
0:10:13gene kelly film before they're not all
0:10:15like this
0:10:16no no God no back in fact I thought that
0:10:19I thought Fred Astaire was in this
0:10:21originally before i turn it on
0:10:22no no friends Jael nightmare diamond
0:10:24answer guy yeah yeah Fred Astaire I've
0:10:27never really cotton to Fred Astaire
0:10:28movies but I I enjoy watching Gene Kelly
0:10:30features in my name is pretty
0:10:32prominently whereas I'm the opposite
0:10:34see the thing is Fred Astaire so
0:10:35disturbingly boneless that it's all its
0:10:37supernatural not know not in a good way
0:10:39it's kind of a also one killed a dancer
0:10:41and buried in a pet cemetery now let's
0:10:42come back find away it's like Slenderman
0:10:45the musical and what this is exciting
0:10:46people who like dancing disagree about
0:10:48dancers fight fight it out dance it out
0:10:52there's much more artistic dancers Gene
0:10:55Kelly is a very physical dancer
0:10:57well that's good i was impressed with is
0:10:59he's just show started
0:11:01he's very is staccato and precise
0:11:03whereas Fred Astaire is more fluid and I
0:11:06prefer sort of the more fluid kind of a
0:11:08dancer and I like it looks more relaxed
0:11:11whereas Gene Kelly looks like he's
0:11:12working for it and he's excellent
0:11:14it's fun i think of West Side Story
0:11:16style rumbles about to break out here
0:11:18I've seen that I've seen that this movie
0:11:20maybe want to go back in time to take
0:11:22the branch where I become a dancer
0:11:24actually it was so impressed with the
0:11:27dancing and the Donald O'Connor is
0:11:30diagnosed as well
0:11:32oh yeah walks away with this movie in my
0:11:34opinion in fact his facial expressions
0:11:36are enough to sell me on the movies he's
0:11:37utterly fantastic but yeah gene kelly
0:11:40kind of blew me away i was surprised
0:11:41that the counters dance for make him
0:11:43laugh is amazing because he put so much
0:11:46energy to it is practically all in one
0:11:48shot and then you go on the internet
0:11:50find out who's smoking four packs of
0:11:52cigarettes a day and had to be
0:11:54hospitalized after that didn't have to
0:11:57do it twice because the camera had a
0:11:58malfunction and so he probably had yeah
0:12:02you do produce that he had to perform
0:12:03that whole punishing sequence twice and
0:12:06make it look like it was nothing
0:12:07and I like the the Blythe witty element
0:12:11that he brings to the film it's a smart
0:12:12film and there's a lot of women back and
0:12:15forth to it but I i think that O'Connor
0:12:18nicely undercuts the treacle that
0:12:20develops between the gene kelly and
0:12:23Debra Debra Reynolds characters
0:12:25temporary extension very formal the show
0:12:28is going to properly i haven't been
0:12:30properly introduced do you happen to
0:12:31know princess Leia's mom had no idea
0:12:34that Debbie Reynolds was ever so cute
0:12:36oh yeah social button in this movie
0:12:38whatever she never stopped being cute
0:12:40what are you talking about she's the
0:12:41jennifer aniston of the nineteen fifties
0:12:43and like several different although she
0:12:45has absolutely no chemistry with Gene
0:12:47Kelly whatsoever not out all they did
0:12:49not get along apparently on the set the
0:12:51King James Kelly was a difficult person
0:12:53to work with and for Biola can't don't
0:12:56you understand he made fun of her lack
0:12:59of dancing skill
0:12:59yeah everybody in this movie was
0:13:01miserable the whole time but you can't
0:13:03tell at all from the movie everybody's
0:13:05smiling and cheerful and dancing their
0:13:08little hearts out
0:13:09yeah it's called acting if the smiles
0:13:11are almost too big that we almost too
0:13:13much i think it's a little like like yes
0:13:15I'm happy because i have to be I think
0:13:18they're a little bit i think it's your
0:13:20paper reality of the whole because the
0:13:21fashions are so vivid the dialogue is so
0:13:24stylized the colors are so saturated I
0:13:26think the whole point of the movie was a
0:13:27little bit of high
0:13:28a reality where because you're dealing
0:13:30with something as filled with hyperbolas
0:13:32the entertainment industry you have an
0:13:34aesthetic that matches the outside sense
0:13:36of reality and the slight untethering
0:13:38from from the aesthetic that we have an
0:13:40everyday life and and I think that's why
0:13:42it holds up on as opposed to other
0:13:44musicals yes i was jumping back to the
0:13:47dancing for a second Jason it's
0:13:48interesting that you
0:13:49you mentioned that you know that I like
0:13:50dancing because i believe i mentioned
0:13:52that when we were talking about the
0:13:53matrix yes video and one of the reasons
0:13:56i was talking about it then is because i
0:13:59was saying that i'm not a huge fan of
0:14:00action sequences but I like dance
0:14:02sequences and then somebody went on to
0:14:04point out that action sequences that
0:14:06don't have any that aren't furthering
0:14:08the plot are the ones that are the most
0:14:09boring and I actually feel that way
0:14:11about dance sequences if there's a bit
0:14:14if it's just dancing for the sake of
0:14:16dancing I get bored and there's a lot of
0:14:18that in this movie which is why is it's
0:14:20not my favorite musical
0:14:21how dare you whiteboards fighter yes i
0:14:26think probably my favorite would be top
0:14:27hat i think i think that's more like it
0:14:29more because i like the plot of top hat
0:14:31it's paper thin but what it is
0:14:34yeah you could get my God we're getting
0:14:37into musical snobbery ya up all these
0:14:40are actually going i'm here for comics
0:14:42and sci fi I don't understand what's
0:14:44happening oh I don't know what's going
0:14:45on i'm going to start with the
0:14:47stormtroopers begin dancing because i'm
0:14:49really confused i would watch them movie
0:14:51i quite like singin in the rain is just
0:14:53it i don't love it i have a weird
0:14:54ambivalence to it because there are bits
0:14:56and pieces of it that i just adore and
0:14:58then there are the parts where i do look
0:14:59at what you said we don't want to get up
0:15:01to go clean the house instead
0:15:02oh my god Lu come join me we will rule
0:15:06the universe together but first we dad
0:15:09that there was the Flash Gordon from
0:15:131980 what I like about singing in the
0:15:15rain the most is that it's actually
0:15:17about one of my favorite areas in movie
0:15:19history which is right after they
0:15:20started having sound they knew they had
0:15:23to have musicals but they didn't have
0:15:24any idea what movie musical should be
0:15:26like yeah see we had like the broadway
0:15:28melody movies which are just ziegfeld
0:15:30follies and what yeah it's just a
0:15:32cavalcade of people's terrible
0:15:34vaudeville acts and then you suddenly
0:15:36had Busby Berkeley making a leica
0:15:39footlight parade with James Cagney
0:15:41which just allegedly it's about somebody
0:15:44who puts on stage shows that go in front
0:15:47of movie screens while they're changing
0:15:48the movie over but then when they start
0:15:51all the sudden it takes up like three
0:15:54football fields and there's waterfalls
0:15:56and stuff missing it lasted on fire and
0:16:00spangled ingrained what's when the the
0:16:05opening of Temple of Doom where they do
0:16:07anything goes in Mandarin and and that's
0:16:10a real really nice tribute to that kind
0:16:12of thing where you have this really
0:16:14simple stage show in a club that all of
0:16:16a sudden the camera zooms in and you've
0:16:18got you know all these fields worth of
0:16:20space where they have all the fabric
0:16:23that they're flying around and that I
0:16:25mean that's my favorite part of Temple
0:16:26of Doom you but it won't release his
0:16:28mind
0:16:29I don't remember this way to bring it
0:16:32back to a movie I've seen David you know
0:16:35I'm here for you
0:16:36I don't remember I don't remember this I
0:16:38I now have to go watching HSN just
0:16:40judges have watched the first 15 minutes
0:16:41you know what Stan Aykroyd shows up you
0:16:44can physically get off
0:16:45yeah your wkn a crisis i haven't seen
0:16:49this since it wasn't the theater who
0:16:52think it clearly made an indelible
0:16:54impression of pointless mother today I
0:16:56remember being very very angry that that
0:16:58was the film that her daughter was
0:16:59family winter season with musical number
0:17:01up eating and quickly descends into
0:17:04eating monkey brains much like any
0:17:06friends here his greatest works well are
0:17:08you saying it's good until shortround
0:17:09shows up oh no it's but it'sit's great
0:17:11until they land in India that's when it
0:17:14falls apart without you
0:17:15ok so you're including the rubber raft
0:17:17flying through the air
0:17:18no no when they jump out of the plane
0:17:20that's yeah jump out of the plane really
0:17:22you know if it's worth be catching up on
0:17:24the Indiana Jones wants the first 51
0:17:25making of your families so that is like
0:17:28singing Lorraine Temple of Doom was also
0:17:31not nominated for an Oscar nothing have
0:17:33two very similar good time together so
0:17:37let's talk about this real fast at the
0:17:39the whole Oscar element here
0:17:40alright yeah what what is the cause I
0:17:43frankly don't give two craps about Oscar
0:17:45most of the time for sure hot cast what
0:17:48is the record for musicals as far as
0:17:51being nominated or or winning best
0:17:53quickly they do pretty
0:17:55well in fact yeah the year before
0:17:56singing in the rain a gene kelly musical
0:17:58an American in Paris won best picture
0:18:00really know did that win best picture
0:18:03good lord Oscar what you see
0:18:05yeah I I that's pretty much the same
0:18:07time so it could very well have just
0:18:08been Kelly one last year so let's skip
0:18:11over this year and Chicago one recently
0:18:14took John recently in the 1960s you
0:18:16would think the 1960s would be this wild
0:18:18experimental time for the movies but
0:18:20Oliver and hello dolly I think my one
0:18:24day they talk about higher lady
0:18:26well they talk about how hello dolly
0:18:28gonna list a claim it was showing how
0:18:29out-of-touch the Academy was with the
0:18:30forces that were overtaking filmmaking
0:18:32right
0:18:33hello dolly and Barbra Streisand are
0:18:34pretty much used as your haha the
0:18:37Academy doesn't get it and at the time
0:18:39you know American Paris was seen as this
0:18:41you know really great gene kelly film
0:18:43and it had the huge ballet sequence and
0:18:46then he comes back with this spoof of
0:18:47Hollywood
0:18:48yeah it was it was seen as a very
0:18:50lightweight film in 1952 yeah well it is
0:18:53it and it is
0:18:54yeah infection but there's nothing wrong
0:18:57with that because it's really well-made
0:18:57yeah it's a really nice confection like
0:19:00this movie we have a rear about circuses
0:19:02yeah god no it's not an infection that
0:19:04is that is like that's like a TGI
0:19:06Fridays like cookie skillet sunday with
0:19:09five scoops that's like having a whole
0:19:10wedding cake jammed down your gullet the
0:19:13toilet plunger I saw situations in the
0:19:16in the creditors like oh well I wonder
0:19:17what part she'll play and the answer is
0:19:19i drop into dance scene all she's the
0:19:23legs i enjoyed the i believe i turned to
0:19:27Lauren and said I'm sure that's exactly
0:19:29how the Hollywood story meetings go when
0:19:31they're like hey let's let's add a plot
0:19:34here it is little called the dancing
0:19:36cavalier it's like in in like two
0:19:37minutes they come up with this whole
0:19:38asinine modification for this the silent
0:19:43film to turn it into a into a talkie
0:19:45I've gotta to DVD set of like a hundred
0:19:48musicals some of which are only 40
0:19:50minutes long
0:19:51that's like a pretty much certainly how
0:19:53they made those movies
0:19:54yeah it well it's like they will patton
0:19:57oswalt routine about dr. Scott's about
0:19:59how he's brought in to do script
0:20:01doctoring work on animated movies and
0:20:03they put a lot of terrible jokes in the
0:20:05background too
0:20:06mask the fact that nothing interesting
0:20:08is happening on the screen and that's
0:20:09that's kind of your your 1920's 1930's
0:20:12musical planning in a nutshell
0:20:15so in the famous singing in the rain
0:20:16seen one of the things I liked about it
0:20:20is at the end i love I've actually love
0:20:22that he's dipping his feet in the water
0:20:24in the deep water by the by the gutter i
0:20:26think that's pretty cool and i love that
0:20:27it ends with with the cop and he's like
0:20:31oh I've been dancing in the street like
0:20:33a crazy person and a cop has noticed did
0:20:38nothing to see here I'm just gonna
0:20:39continue my walking now and here you
0:20:41here sir enjoy this umbrella i like that
0:20:44touch
0:20:45yeah that's it I'm done left how that
0:20:47scene like many of the Dancing's is done
0:20:50in a wide shot that's held continuously
0:20:52so you can actually see the person
0:20:53dancing and what they're doing
0:20:55I mention that because i saw battle of
0:20:56the year recently which is a dance movie
0:20:58where you can see no dancing
0:21:00let's that's awful people jumping around
0:21:04it's all people starting to do a
0:21:05backflip and they cut to a different
0:21:06angle and somebody else starts to do a
0:21:08backflip and you continue that for five
0:21:09minutes and they say that's a damn you
0:21:11you just doing gymnastics except that
0:21:13all you do is you show the girl with the
0:21:14ponytails sprinting down and jumping on
0:21:16a springboard and then you show them
0:21:17losing the landing you do that because
0:21:19you're making a dance scene where no one
0:21:21can actually dance whereas when you
0:21:22ought at gene kelly and a dozen other
0:21:26people can dance I've seen them do it
0:21:27they can at least do backflips you don't
0:21:29get to see all of those are just the
0:21:32same thing is dancing though it is now
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0:23:20incomparable I have a question for you
0:23:22musical historians out there
0:23:24yeah what percentage of early musicals
0:23:26are about making a musical for like
0:23:29sixty to ninety five percent roughly the
0:23:32first five or six years practically all
0:23:34of them certainly all the broadway
0:23:37melody and big broadcast movies are i
0:23:41want to say that Oklahoma was kind of
0:23:43unique in the fact that it was actually
0:23:45a musical that was that told a story
0:23:48that wasn't innately about putting on a
0:23:51show but i might be wrong on the time in
0:23:54there even the ones that aren't innately
0:23:55about putting on a show are often and
0:23:57have that sort of like thrown in there
0:23:59like top hat it's not about putting on a
0:24:01show but there's a bit of that in there
0:24:02even like the sound of music that's not
0:24:05about putting on a show but they sure
0:24:06put our show yeah right i think Oklahoma
0:24:09is considered to be important because
0:24:11the first one where the songs are
0:24:12actually advancing the plot and so we
0:24:15have somebody stops sings and then three
0:24:17minutes later picks up their
0:24:18conversation where I assume they were
0:24:21Broadway musicals before this is it that
0:24:24certainly can't have been a new
0:24:25innovation for musicals in general while
0:24:28you're all the way back to nineteen
0:24:29twenties and back then as far as i can
0:24:32tell from
0:24:33reading PG Wodehouse musicals back then
0:24:36they were very much like reviewed by
0:24:39media and they bring out the girls and
0:24:42then you keep the girls there cause
0:24:43that's all anyone wanted the kind of
0:24:44stuff that plays an oatmeal Nebraska
0:24:46yeah right you want you to be able to
0:24:49dip things in and out and go okay this
0:24:50doesn't work at all let's put in a
0:24:52different song and it was it wasn't in
0:24:54the early thirties when they started to
0:24:57say okay let's there's there's a shape
0:24:59of a story to the show and you know like
0:25:03now with anything goes the actual
0:25:04musical Cole Porter was sick and tired
0:25:07of people coming late to his shows
0:25:09because that was the fashionable thing
0:25:11so we'll come five or ten minutes late
0:25:12so he knew that I get a kick out of you
0:25:15is going to be the hit from the show and
0:25:17he said that's the first song in the
0:25:19show and so all his friends came 15
0:25:22minutes late the next morning everyone
0:25:23is talking about this great songs are
0:25:24like what song was that we didn't hear
0:25:27that song what's that hold that and then
0:25:29and then you know current and
0:25:31Hammerstein and Rodgers and Hart started
0:25:34to make story and then you know from
0:25:38their kind of went on and then when
0:25:39Rodgers and Hammerstein got together
0:25:40then they said hey we can make a story
0:25:42that doesn't actually involve show
0:25:44people putting on a show
0:25:46I like this the fact that it had to be a
0:25:48paradigm buster is is is kind of sad
0:25:51yeah well the meat the musical is such a
0:25:54strange onra and I say that as a fan of
0:25:56music gasps where where you're just sort
0:25:57of walking down the street and then
0:25:59suddenly you to do I fear and I throw do
0:26:02it just grew out of oven music hall
0:26:06yeah yeah yeah I actually headed to drag
0:26:09my spouse kicking and screaming to watch
0:26:10this with me he hates musicals for that
0:26:13very reason he doesn't understand he can
0:26:15he can totally get behind some space
0:26:17wizard fighting another space wizard
0:26:19with a sword made out of light but you
0:26:21can't handle somebody's stopping in the
0:26:23middle of the street and suddenly
0:26:24singing a song
0:26:25are these filthy revolutionary singing
0:26:27about to France great Ally every time a
0:26:31song came on i had to be like see it's
0:26:32diegetic they're actually singing that
0:26:34song there's a reason for it and then
0:26:36there were a couple of numbers where it
0:26:37was like I got nothing i'm sorry they're
0:26:38just paying for no reason and and how
0:26:40did the Albatross ultimately enjoy
0:26:41singing in the rain actually in this
0:26:44case I think he lifted it up because he
0:26:46had a lot of fun looking at the just the
0:26:48filming techniques and the fact that
0:26:50when you'd be the camera would move from
0:26:52one room to the other you see the edge
0:26:54of the wall and this that if you said
0:26:56yeah fascinated by that he complained
0:26:58about the badly time fully and the dance
0:27:00numbers he actually did mention the flat
0:27:03all right oh yeah yeah you're right also
0:27:06not enough space wizard related musicals
0:27:08by the way in hell Hollywood hello don't
0:27:10give them ideas
0:27:12Oh God so I i was inoculated a with the
0:27:16King and I at a young age because that
0:27:17was my mother's favorite movie and and
0:27:19then I remember seeing that prevents
0:27:22mom's right yeah it does it does and
0:27:24others but not for the king he doesn't
0:27:26even it's very cute guys
0:27:27yeah really support horn yeah where's
0:27:31the cake and I know this is your brother
0:27:33I die at the end of the king and i
0:27:35please do not smoke off my daughter
0:27:38yeah yeah anyway is why I saw that and
0:27:42then west side story obviously when I
0:27:45was probably 14 or something like that
0:27:46and and then so I get it I I don't find
0:27:49it as maybe as totally nuts as a as
0:27:54Erica's husband does but I I it's not my
0:27:57favorite genre but i like so I mean what
0:27:59I'm saying is hey I like singing in the
0:28:01rain especially then later I watched
0:28:04other movies made this year huh and I
0:28:07really like singing in the rain and
0:28:08wished i could watch it again and again
0:28:09instead of other movies but you know
0:28:12that much more likely referring to
0:28:14well he certainly isn't referring to
0:28:15high noon no no which was nominated for
0:28:18a there was too much singing in high
0:28:21noon know as far as I'm yeah well yeah
0:28:23that's actually my my least favorite
0:28:25part about High Noon is focus on
0:28:27Freddie's yeah continuously it that's my
0:28:30favorite part of the Mad Magazine parody
0:28:32of high new not for shake Muriel mod or
0:28:35we could only afford one song you think
0:28:37there's a lot of zipper in the third man
0:28:40oh but there is no that texture that I
0:28:44like how that texture song sets the mood
0:28:47and then it never stops playing which is
0:28:51kind of crazy like I said ever it
0:28:53actually did remind me of the relentless
0:28:55scissoring of the third band where it's
0:28:58like we got we're gonna go with this is
0:29:00it
0:29:00music yes let's do that here it's like
0:29:02hey Tex Ritter he's great play it it's
0:29:05like fight the power
0:29:06yeah I did me actually of I've never
0:29:09seen I've never actually seen the doctor
0:29:10who cereal the gunfighters but from
0:29:12everything I've heard about it the last
0:29:14chance saloon if the song that plays
0:29:16over and over again in that story it it
0:29:19seems like it must have been that same
0:29:20experience because people say they hate
0:29:21that sign from hearing it so many times
0:29:23I was like I finally know how they feel
0:29:25we've got we've got one song we do you
0:29:28want us to do play the song initially
0:29:31that some kind of bug me but after a
0:29:33while it was actually serving to sort of
0:29:35ratchet up the tension wraps it around
0:29:37yeah i think it's the Stockholm Syndrome
0:29:39kind of spoilery that really i like to
0:29:41imagine the text later played
0:29:43continuously throughout the movie like
0:29:44he's just off off the off-camera just
0:29:46put keep singing text
0:29:48yeah so okay so high noon AKA one hell
0:29:52of a crappy day for will Kane yeah just
0:29:55what i would call it
0:29:56yeah yeah so so the he's it's and it's
0:29:59and it's is his wedding day it's
0:30:00supposed to be a good day and he's
0:30:02retiring isn't town marshal he's leaving
0:30:04new marshals coming tomorrow you can
0:30:06tell how excited he is with that kissy
0:30:08plants on his new wife to it is
0:30:11passionate Grace Kelly I yeah but the
0:30:15bad guys are coming on the noon train
0:30:16and when they get there they're gonna
0:30:18come and find the old Marshall and
0:30:20they're gonna they're gonna take the
0:30:22revenge
0:30:23that's right and and the movie is
0:30:24essentially told in more or less real
0:30:27time as the clock
0:30:29oh by the way this town is a town where
0:30:31there are lots of clocks visible and
0:30:33lots of Cour at all times
0:30:35yes and and that woman that's the that's
0:30:37the very cool thing about about this
0:30:39movie is that it's it's it's sort of
0:30:41setup as the standard Western and it
0:30:43turns out the bulk of the running time
0:30:44is him trying to put together a posse to
0:30:47fight these bad guys we're going to
0:30:48cover the town and kill him and the the
0:30:51people of the town or unmoved and
0:30:53they're like well thanks for imposing
0:30:55order and making sure that we were safe
0:30:57but you're on your own now we got two
0:31:00things in this town clocks and Tex
0:31:02Ritter but we don't got it is a lot of
0:31:04courage know so so having never seen
0:31:07this movie before I want to say up at
0:31:09the top here this movie was shot in
0:31:13on a back lot in LA and on location
0:31:16where I grew up and in fact parts of the
0:31:19town are columbia state historic park
0:31:21where i went to elementary school to
0:31:23where I grew up and I the countryside is
0:31:27absolutely the countryside outside the
0:31:29town that I grew up in and the train
0:31:31that pulls in bringing the bad guys at
0:31:34the end of the movie is actually the
0:31:35same train that's in back to the future
0:31:36three and it is admin at the rail town
0:31:39historic park in jamestown California so
0:31:42this uh i watch this movie almost as a
0:31:45mean it was I grew up in high noon
0:31:49essentially with cower ask as it turns
0:31:52out he was 60 was almost crushed by a
0:31:54clock no wonder you're sick of the song
0:31:55so now you know why there's no sheriff
0:31:57in your home terrorism o'clock downtown
0:31:59so I noticed that Jason also didn't help
0:32:02Marshall I didn't so but what he's
0:32:05saying a lot but anyway I i really
0:32:07enjoyed that because the high noon at
0:32:09Grace Kelly stayed at the at the Senora
0:32:12in town centre when they were filming
0:32:14this movie it's a I think they actually
0:32:15have it like on a sign somewhere so yeah
0:32:19I grew up I grew up in high noon but uh
0:32:21but uh i love that this movie supports
0:32:24that expectation that you know the first
0:32:27thing we see are our hero do after he
0:32:28gets married is is run away right before
0:32:30he thinks better of it turns around and
0:32:32realize that they'll just gotta find the
0:32:35right word
0:32:36well well okay so so in the end like the
0:32:40town gets shot up and um he could have
0:32:44just left right I guess they would have
0:32:45I guess they would have a you know gone
0:32:49wild the bad guys would have gone wild
0:32:51in the town or something but they would
0:32:52eventually tracked him down because he
0:32:54was having sure you're coming back right
0:32:56so it really wasn't entirely brave move
0:32:58for him to turn around and come back as
0:33:00he says there's more stubborn as they're
0:33:02rolling away but it's also partially
0:33:04clearly because he feels like he's he's
0:33:06on the hook for the town still even
0:33:08though he's technically retired right
0:33:10and there's there's some talk that you
0:33:12know some people were very much looking
0:33:14forward to the bad guys coming back at
0:33:15ya
0:33:16as things things was lively then and
0:33:19there was a lot of money to be made so
0:33:21that's one of the things I liked about
0:33:24the film was the fact that they didn't
0:33:25draw a hard line as to whether it was a
0:33:28good idea for him to come back or not he
0:33:30had this idea that they were gonna run
0:33:31run roughshod over the town but then you
0:33:34know that the fellow with the church was
0:33:36saying you know if you leave we probably
0:33:38won't have any trouble at all they think
0:33:39they're really never makes it clear if
0:33:42if it's good or bad and I think that's I
0:33:44like the gray in fact business in town
0:33:46was better when the bad guys were
0:33:47hanging around right so a lot of people
0:33:48are waiting for my comeback
0:33:50they say that but the first thing the
0:33:51bad guys do is start smashing windows
0:33:53and stealing bonnets
0:33:54yeah but the guy who makes the windows
0:33:55loves that guy makes the bonnets lot of
0:33:58fat
0:33:58yeah good for some it's now my favorite
0:34:02kid my favorite character in the movie
0:34:04among the ancillary characters is the
0:34:05sneering hotel clerk always man cursor
0:34:09to EB Farnum on you know what
0:34:11yeah I love that they flush out the
0:34:12hotel clerk is this really smarmy
0:34:14bastard i mean it's it's it's not you
0:34:15know Western it's to have the incidental
0:34:18characters have real personalities seems
0:34:20really unusual to me and all of these do
0:34:23it and i also really like the way this
0:34:25with this movie is structured it it
0:34:27doesn't give you a lot of exposition
0:34:29upfront kind of lays out the back story
0:34:32in dribs and drabs and it's kind of like
0:34:34we're seeing the end of a much longer
0:34:35story and Aaron are standing what
0:34:38happened before is just sort of being
0:34:40meted out bit by bit I think that's
0:34:41great because there's some mystery about
0:34:43why you know all of his deputies are
0:34:46gone and what happened between him and
0:34:47Helen Ramirez and all the other things
0:34:50why is lloyd bridges so bitter
0:34:52yeah was he tipped off about so yeah I
0:34:55thought this was really cool
0:34:56no Lloyd Bridges why does he sound the
0:34:58same in this movie is he does 30 years
0:35:00later theme playing the whole time I was
0:35:03just like Oh Lloyd Bridges come on Lloyd
0:35:05Bridges by this time my lungs were
0:35:07aching for air i like i love the Helen
0:35:09Ramirez character that's that that's a
0:35:11really nice nice thing and she's got her
0:35:14she's got her business she's like all
0:35:16right I'm gonna sell them getting down
0:35:17how young is one tough customer which is
0:35:19nice and she's like I hate that I hate
0:35:21this pit
0:35:22I'm getting out and getting out of seven
0:35:24eat my dog you people disgust me I've
0:35:26taken everything from you I can sign or
0:35:29a circle
0:35:30yeah i did like her I like the fact that
0:35:32this was a Western with two very
0:35:35a strong prominent female characters i
0:35:37mean it still doesn't quite pass the
0:35:38bechdel test but i like the fact that
0:35:41they were they were right in your face a
0:35:42lot of the time yeah the Grace Kelly's
0:35:45character is is she's interesting I mean
0:35:48she's had she's headstrong I like that
0:35:51she goes to the train and she's like
0:35:53well alright i have stormed off in a
0:35:55huff and i'm at the train station
0:35:57I'm it's hot i'm gonna go way back boat
0:36:00oh it's hot in there is three ruffians
0:36:03staring at me lewdly but you can tell
0:36:05this movie was made in the fifties as
0:36:06opposed to now when the ruffians would
0:36:08probably make be making life really
0:36:09uncomfortable for her
0:36:10um there's there's a more genteel code
0:36:12at work even though the whole film is
0:36:14about we're going to kill this man once
0:36:15our friend gets to town the fact that
0:36:18they don't think to go after any any of
0:36:20those civilians is pretty notable but i
0:36:22think they didn't want to commit any
0:36:23crimes until everybody got their right
0:36:24because they did that was part of why is
0:36:26he going to punish them somehow tell
0:36:28them they can't attend that will know
0:36:29that will give him the ability to lock
0:36:31in the impetus to lock him up and then
0:36:33it's then there's any you have only has
0:36:35to shoot one guy instead for half the
0:36:37reason that that Helen Ramirez is
0:36:39leaving town is because she's afraid of
0:36:41what he's gonna do when he gets back but
0:36:43he sees her on the way she's getting on
0:36:45the train and does nothing which i think
0:36:48is interesting
0:36:48she's second on his list state bigger
0:36:50fish to fry but do you think maybe
0:36:52that's also commentary on the railroad
0:36:53is being one of the civilising
0:36:54influences that was beyond like the idea
0:36:57that the railroad and the infrastructure
0:36:58was bigger than the law or anyone town
0:37:00and the cloak locks other the Glocks
0:37:03well no because that's actually one of
0:37:05the big themes in American frontier life
0:37:07is the idea that even when you have
0:37:09people who try to go to the small to try
0:37:12to you know homestead or or start
0:37:14civilizations would have them there is
0:37:15inevitably some sort of entity whether
0:37:17it's the government or some corporation
0:37:19or something that ultimately infringes
0:37:22on their autonomy and imposes the will
0:37:24and i'm not saying that
0:37:26High Noon did that explicitly but I
0:37:27think it's kind of telling that the the
0:37:28train is seen as some sort of Governor
0:37:31Burrell authority that shapes people's
0:37:33lives
0:37:34it's sort of reflects the subconscious
0:37:35of recognition that even these tiny
0:37:38frontier towns which are perceived as
0:37:39being laws into themselves art you know
0:37:42they're all part of a vast web that
0:37:44somebody else's problem controlling from
0:37:45a boardroom back east
0:37:46well I actually clocks are synchronized
0:37:48the railroads and high noon may have
0:37:52just been in this town noon is when the
0:37:54train gets there i mean it's it's
0:37:55entirely possible but that's true so the
0:37:57trip the train is this force of nature
0:37:59that's bringing in this this change to
0:38:01this town with this guy who got you know
0:38:04another comment in this movie is boy the
0:38:06laws in Texas stink they like this guys
0:38:08coming back
0:38:10it's stupid texas which we call that a
0:38:12documentary Jason there's also you can
0:38:15accuse texted being easy on criminals
0:38:17yeah that's true yeah i was impressed
0:38:19that this is probably one of the most
0:38:22tense films i've seen in quite a long
0:38:23time we headed
0:38:25it's just very as time is sort of taking
0:38:27ever away and and you're slowly
0:38:29realizing that no one's gonna come to
0:38:31this guy's rescue and you know he's
0:38:33getting increasingly worried and sweaty
0:38:35and it towards the middle to fill me
0:38:37just looking genuinely pants crapping
0:38:39Lee terrified which is great that I was
0:38:43surprised i mean i don't think i've seen
0:38:44a movie this old that really kind of
0:38:46ratchet things up for me quite that bad
0:38:48it's an expertly written movie and its
0:38:51really well shot by by Fred Fred
0:38:54Zinnemann yeah it's super compact to
0:38:56there's not a minute of it that's wasted
0:38:57I mean that every gallery gene is when
0:38:59you don't see any dissolves from from
0:39:01scene to scene it's all just straight
0:39:03cuts which is sort of adds to that the
0:39:04speed and the tension I think the fact
0:39:06that this is in real-time really helps
0:39:08here
0:39:08yeah it's it's a masterclass I think and
0:39:10how to in how to write a good tense film
0:39:12without the extra fat not an acting
0:39:15showcase though now we were talking
0:39:17about that where it's probably the best
0:39:19work Gary Cooper's down but that's not
0:39:20saying a lot because this is Gary Cooper
0:39:22and his job was really ever to act his
0:39:23job was to be stalwart and and and look
0:39:26vaguely feeling about things I think
0:39:28he's fairly terrific in this though
0:39:29because he's called to look pained a lot
0:39:31yeah oh yeah no it'sit's right in his
0:39:33wheelhouse the character being sad about
0:39:36what he has to do but well i like i like
0:39:38to the mean one of the themes of this of
0:39:41this is I mean we can talk about the
0:39:43people in the town being cowardly and
0:39:47how hard it is to get a nucleus of
0:39:49people together because nobody wants to
0:39:51go first but I think also it's the
0:39:53alienating nature of being the the law
0:39:56on the frontier I think it's a part of
0:39:59this to it they're all kind of remove
0:40:01from him as the marshal he's he doesn't
0:40:03seem like he's one of them he's the guy
0:40:05who was the marshal he was kind of their
0:40:07town employee for a while and nobody
0:40:09really needed to like him and the people
0:40:11the person's the fun of all the guys in
0:40:13the bar
0:40:14yeah the person who didn't like him you
0:40:15know she's you know you once she's
0:40:18getting out of town at the same time
0:40:19right with Helen Ramirez so I think
0:40:21that's really interesting that you know
0:40:23this is like a guy who is trying to call
0:40:26in all his chips at this incredibly
0:40:27dramatic time and realizes he has no
0:40:29chips he is he just he doesn't nobody
0:40:32knows him
0:40:34there's the one guy the one guy who's
0:40:36like yeah sure I'll stand with you and
0:40:37then he comes back at the end and says
0:40:38what you didn't get anybody else
0:40:40well you know I got a family and that's
0:40:42it that's it
0:40:44it's a nice it's also nice commentary on
0:40:45the selfishness of the public to and
0:40:47while you're a public servant service
0:40:49yeah you dancing we hate they paid you i
0:40:52love that moment where one of the
0:40:53townspeople says you what do we pay you
0:40:55for all this time
0:40:57yeah yeah well I was just I mean that
0:41:00that's something you could hear today
0:41:01and it's just this amazing amazing
0:41:03entitlement that the these people have
0:41:06to this guy that it's like you know we
0:41:07paid you what do you want from us just
0:41:09do you know do whatever do your job
0:41:11we're not we're not going to get
0:41:12involved and i gave at the office yeah
0:41:14yeah yeah yeah man meanwhile the clock
0:41:17ticks down no one gave me a hand out it
0:41:20does become tense and then ok so then
0:41:22we've got the the shootout and and i
0:41:25would say it did it delivers like the
0:41:28the end of this movie
0:41:30there is action and there's like burning
0:41:32barnes and jumping on horseback and lots
0:41:36of shooting and you know the one thing
0:41:39that I knew for sure is that his wife
0:41:41would never get involved because she's a
0:41:42Quaker and therefore is opposed to
0:41:45violence so I knew that she wouldn't be
0:41:47involved later if convenience that is
0:41:50neat because when they talk about why
0:41:52she's a Quaker it's not like while I was
0:41:54raised in the SEC know she's a genius is
0:41:56a conscientious objector
0:41:57yeah it was my brother got shot and so
0:41:59as a result I veered to this
0:42:00philosophical creed that i'm going to
0:42:02discard when my conscience friend lyrics
0:42:04up and so I feel like the quicker thing
0:42:07is more of a plot complication than
0:42:08actual here is a code of non-violence
0:42:11and the consequences that that has
0:42:12because she she decides she doesn't like
0:42:15consequences so she rejects the code you
0:42:17have what they did to save her to save
0:42:19her husband she does yeah yeah yeah it's
0:42:22a nice i mean that's that's I think a I
0:42:24mean it's intended as a plot twist like
0:42:26she's forced into this corner and she
0:42:28needs to do this what twists yes I i
0:42:30really love that that sequence so i
0:42:32think it's i think it's a lot of fun i
0:42:33really like that I like I left like when
0:42:35he's in the barn and they throw the
0:42:37first thing in and it's like well that
0:42:39didn't work and then they throw the next
0:42:41thing hits the hay was like oh crap ok i
0:42:43got a lot of that a lot of that shoot up
0:42:46shootout is filmed from Cannes
0:42:47perspective yeah he's trying to find the
0:42:49guys where they can they see me oh jeez
0:42:51the shoot me now
0:42:53wala wrap up here comes a lantern maybe
0:42:56i shouldna picked the hayloft I did ya
0:42:57bring a lot of shootouts of westerns of
0:43:00that era were kind of the the phrase was
0:43:02the Chuck and duck shootout where it's
0:43:04it's just guys behind barrels with a
0:43:08pop-up and shooting each other in that
0:43:09and then eventually someone would go you
0:43:11got me yeah it a gunfight at the ok
0:43:14corral with kirk douglas and Burt
0:43:17Lancaster is I I think kind of like this
0:43:19like whack-a-mole
0:43:21yeah just keep popping up and then
0:43:22eventually one of them is gone and the
0:43:24game trope the other thing about that
0:43:25shootout is I just being versed in the
0:43:28standard Western I keep expecting that
0:43:30the town's full gonna rally at the last
0:43:32minute I know and they don't i like that
0:43:35they don't I do too
0:43:37oh yeah no it would ruin the film if
0:43:38they had me I'd be a bit be a BS message
0:43:42and I like Kathy and he throws the
0:43:43started yeah alright know the iconic
0:43:46endings of West man you people can suck
0:43:48it the next comes with that glare at the
0:43:50end that's that that's all to come up
0:43:52and see me yeah they come out of the end
0:43:54they don't come out until it's all said
0:43:55and done he drops his tin star and he's
0:43:59out of there that's the incision great
0:44:01the next day a new marshal is coming and
0:44:03he's gonna be really confused however
0:44:05when ax ya know ya gonna give him the
0:44:07star and the third avoiding his gaze yea
0:44:10high noon to the next day would be a
0:44:11very interesting movie in 1980 CBS did a
0:44:16high noon part to turn god Kane and
0:44:19white with guess who
0:44:22Lee Majors guys are all came it's all
0:44:25coming back to me now like a horrible
0:44:27nightmare and if it does well see that's
0:44:29like the murder isn't around perhaps I I
0:44:32didn't see it at the time because i was
0:44:33nine but I watched it a couple years ago
0:44:36just because I figured it was gonna be
0:44:37awful it's you know like 15 minutes
0:44:40longer than the original so of course
0:44:43it's going to be good and it's not awful
0:44:47I mean it's not very good but I present
0:44:50mr. quite awful put that on the DVD
0:44:53cover not awful
0:44:54maybe it's david Lord the script is by
0:44:57Elmore Leonard and if you just if you
0:45:00sort of ignore the fact that it's a
0:45:01crappy TV movie with nothing good
0:45:03actress the script isn't that bad
0:45:06soft a grave let this become that this
0:45:12decode an infant yeah I i had forgotten
0:45:14about the return of well can I do know
0:45:16that they did a remake in the nineties
0:45:19with tom skerritt in the will can roll
0:45:21and it will not know it will not shock
0:45:24you to to know that the part of the
0:45:27lloyd bridges part of the callow deputy
0:45:30was played by read diamond I come on the
0:45:33edge from homicide life on the street if
0:45:35i want to see a high noon remake i will
0:45:38go with Sean Connery and outland yeah
0:45:41yes no that was essentially high noon
0:45:43which is a pretty good movie actually
0:45:44for a you know early 80 sci-fi movie
0:45:46it's and it is the the bat the assassins
0:45:49are coming on the on the shuttle from
0:45:50Jupiter or something and he knows
0:45:53they're coming and he's got a very
0:45:55limited amount of time to figure out
0:45:56what he's going to do before they get
0:45:57there it's very much i knew he throws
0:46:00his star into the ground but it floats
0:46:01up influence away mrs. its base location
0:46:04should have known things are going to go
0:46:05bad the minute that he realized that
0:46:07uncle Billy was in town before we move
0:46:09on I want to say how greatly Van Cleef
0:46:11is you have lines but he's such a cool
0:46:13creepy leering figure that I just know
0:46:16he's gonna do something as he never say
0:46:18anything that as as as this movie is in
0:46:20Gary Cooper's wheelhouse not saying
0:46:22anything and looking community is just
0:46:24about the van cleef skill set yeah and
0:46:26that he opens his mouth and that's the
0:46:28end that's why he didn't open his mouth
0:46:29yeah exactly rate
0:46:31I got to get another drink before we go
0:46:34on to the next movie
0:46:35yeah i'm going to go out and we get some
0:46:39ginger let's uh ok so let's fill what
0:46:43was the best picture winner for 1952
0:46:47well Jason and the perfect world it
0:46:49would have been high noon I i think we
0:46:51can say I yes you know yes I would
0:46:54prefer we all we've all rented and raved
0:46:56about it but unfortunately it was a
0:46:58thinly-veiled allegory for McCarthyism
0:47:01which was certain going strong at the
0:47:02time and indeed I believe the
0:47:04screenwriter was blacklisted you know
0:47:05it's time you see what about the time of
0:47:07the academy awards coming out so just a
0:47:10reminder that artists always stand for
0:47:12moral clarity and courage
0:47:13remember that's what they tell you every
0:47:14year the Academy what about ivanhoe Ivan
0:47:17how we didn't watch ivanhoe i did not
0:47:19what I have not I have not seen
0:47:20Eisenhower I've seen some other movies
0:47:22that came out that year the quiet man
0:47:24um we already seen all of us subscene of
0:47:28lavender I want that you know year
0:47:30actually i have not you missed you mean
0:47:32you were not on that old movie club when
0:47:34you should go watch it's funny
0:47:35yeah exactly is the cary grant monkey
0:47:38business is this year and i think my
0:47:40point is that all of those movies would
0:47:41be better than the actual winner of the
0:47:45greatest show on earth says will be the
0:47:48mill sesame the mill produced produced
0:47:51and directed aerated narrated yes
0:47:54edited ruined mill doing that over our
0:47:57marinara yes that is something that
0:47:59accessibility milk as he does the same
0:48:01thing in the Ten Commandments to and
0:48:03it's every bit as effective there as it
0:48:06is here that he was in charge of turning
0:48:08the knob to make it more technical is
0:48:10sinews of sawdust and blood
0:48:13yeah at least at least in the Ten
0:48:15Commandments though he's like doing is
0:48:16talking about a biblical epic as opposed
0:48:19to you and then you go to the circus
0:48:21circus clowns any peanuts
0:48:25did you ever think of the people who
0:48:27rigged the tents spun sugar on paper
0:48:31cones
0:48:32yeah it was like half documentary half
0:48:34yes yeah again that but yeah I wrote
0:48:37down that if they hadn't had all that
0:48:38stock circus flitted footage and
0:48:40overwrought narration this movie would
0:48:41have been 10 minutes long yeah and and
0:48:43far better so we were trying to
0:48:45it out and over the best that I can come
0:48:47to get the idea here was people will
0:48:50experience the spectacle of the actual
0:48:52circus but also behind-the-scenes the
0:48:55human drama that occurs and I guess why
0:48:59I greater than any trapped is a kind of
0:49:01get the idea but then you're just
0:49:04watching a crappy circus for 20 minutes
0:49:08on end
0:49:09you didn't like the Disney parade is
0:49:11that what you're saying like Oh with the
0:49:13way to run down
0:49:14Wikimedia costume like this it's
0:49:17generally a pretty good circus as such
0:49:19things go except we see it from the
0:49:21cheap seats have yes yes he's wide shots
0:49:23from way back in the back i actually
0:49:25liked a lot of the circus teens better
0:49:27than I like the scenes of the
0:49:28quote-unquote characters interact and
0:49:30well yeah yeah I met Kelly is a hell of
0:49:32a clown i watch this documentary on PBS
0:49:34a couple years ago called circus which
0:49:36was about the big apple circus and
0:49:38actually delves into the
0:49:39behind-the-scenes stuff and I really
0:49:43think whoever made the greatest show on
0:49:44earth like all of their instincts were
0:49:45completely off maybe just the topic
0:49:48matter the narrative structure all of it
0:49:51because I who wants to know that clowns
0:49:53commit murder or more that that reaction
0:49:56actually expected haha its you think
0:50:00excuses
0:50:02it's just this movie is just a sustained
0:50:05marathon and lunacy beginning to end and
0:50:08not the the only the argue the one
0:50:10argument i can make a favor this movie
0:50:11is Gloria Grahame kind of rises above
0:50:13the material and I have my love
0:50:15everything that she's in oh my god she's
0:50:17I was excited to see violet Bick in
0:50:19there she actually took the the Best
0:50:23Supporting Actress Award away from g
0:50:25negin for a different movie of course
0:50:27that's right yeah yeah but the bad and
0:50:29the beautiful but yeah she won this year
0:50:30if if you go to Amazon you can see the
0:50:33trailer for the movie which is like a
0:50:36six-minute thing of sesame the middle
0:50:38talking about the movie and saying we
0:50:40traveled 6,000 miles following the
0:50:43circus you all the step then he goes
0:50:45through you know it's again it's got
0:50:46charlton Charlton Heston we call him
0:50:48Chuck and you know Gloria Grahame and
0:50:51and clowns world-famous clouds and then
0:50:54he starts listing the clowns in each
0:50:55clan has
0:50:56the shot you know just a full head shot
0:50:58in the screen and it keeps going it's
0:51:01like no one will be seated during the
0:51:03dramatic Charlton Heston drives a
0:51:05tractor seat is like and john higgins
0:51:09and peanuts and you know the rules and
0:51:12so much a clown and it well it finally
0:51:15gets to and of course Emmett Kelly and
0:51:18here's a special crown we want to
0:51:20introduce to you
0:51:21buttons i bet you can't recognize who
0:51:23that is beneath the makeup
0:51:25he never takes off that makeup for a
0:51:27mysterious reason will remove it you
0:51:30know
0:51:31oh god you're painting quite the word
0:51:34picture there if you weren't scared of
0:51:37clowns before seeing the trailer you
0:51:39will be actually i have to say i am
0:51:42generally scared of clowns but I'm not
0:51:44scared of sort of the classic clowns
0:51:46because back in those days people still
0:51:48like them and thought they were fun and
0:51:50funny I don't know where along the line
0:51:52constantly became scary but I was
0:51:54alright with these ones until this movie
0:51:56maybe this was a button says very
0:51:59cheerful cheerful clown smile there but
0:52:01he's the crying on the inside kind
0:52:03things until that Higgins plays a clown
0:52:06episode of Magnum where things really
0:52:08turned around so look we want to I mean
0:52:12what what what there's a so so this is
0:52:14as the Ringling Brothers Circus it's
0:52:16being run by Charlton Heston he's an
0:52:18expert at every aspect of the circus as
0:52:20we learned at the very beginning he
0:52:21knows he he has sawdust in his veins
0:52:24Judas Priest that's right all the tricks
0:52:26give the give the elephant's gin and
0:52:28ginger a giraffe has a sore throat just
0:52:30Rama pool cue down yeah give that
0:52:32gorillas some more lettuce and he'll be
0:52:34fine
0:52:35people say he's circus more often than
0:52:37McNulty gets told he's good police you
0:52:40know ya got sawdust to his veins i tell
0:52:44you i want to be circus and those fake
0:52:45circus peanuts he's got those in his
0:52:47veins too that's why it's a very sick
0:52:49meant anyway he running log he runs the
0:52:51Ringling Brothers Barnum base or circus
0:52:53and the and the business types wanted to
0:52:55reduce show because the economy is not
0:52:57very good but he demands that they do a
0:52:59full show and they say well okay as long
0:53:01as it stays in the black and his his
0:53:03great scheme is to bring in the amazing
0:53:06Sebastian the great Sebastian but not
0:53:09amazing Jason know he's the great
0:53:11Sebastian is a decent really what he's
0:53:13artists / lothario
0:53:16Oh Barry yeah but he's got that he's got
0:53:20some good blood wheelers laid by he's
0:53:22played by Cornel Wilde and i always want
0:53:24to say played by Cornell west which
0:53:25would be a totally different than it
0:53:28would be under mirror
0:53:30yeah I'd watch that movie anyway he's
0:53:32got a girl he's got a girlfriend and
0:53:34she's a trapeze artist and she's very
0:53:36upset because the great Sebastian comes
0:53:38in
0:53:39ok so can I interrupt here just because
0:53:41I'm never really sure if holly is
0:53:44actually Brad's girlfriend or if she's
0:53:47just kind of declared by Fiat that she
0:53:48is inbred hasn't bothered to correct her
0:53:50because he certainly doesn't show her
0:53:52any any that's because he's a retired
0:53:55circus
0:53:55yeah he can't show favoritism no he
0:53:58can't he's trying to keep the circus
0:54:00alive
0:54:01the circus is his mistress is dating
0:54:04lady circus and just sold a weird
0:54:07stalker it's it's it's it's almost like
0:54:10she's this unhinged remember him like
0:54:11Wayne's World Laura flynn boyle is the
0:54:13deranged ex-girlfriend follows waiting
0:54:15around like that's kinda / got off of
0:54:17Holly following brown around the
0:54:18greatest show on earth it's it's it's
0:54:20almost like it's over Holly he would
0:54:23have said and she's off Brad and then
0:54:25you know flung herself around on the
0:54:27trampoline song a few songs and it would
0:54:29have gone out of her pea brain so she
0:54:31really kind of reminded me of sean young
0:54:32so yeah stalker you get ya
0:54:35not really not really grounded in
0:54:37reality the Betty hunter character now
0:54:39of course she's not grounded she's
0:54:41attractive because she's on ya I want to
0:54:44thank everybody hot and really quickly
0:54:46and that she at least has shoulders that
0:54:49imply she could be a trapeze artist
0:54:51yes she did a lot of her own stunts
0:54:53actually I learned that in the six and a
0:54:55half minute trailer
0:54:56she's a great shape a lot of movies
0:54:59would just cast East girl and say
0:55:01pretend she's a trapeze artist but she
0:55:04looks like she could actually do some of
0:55:06the thing our character WMC she I think
0:55:08this is the first time in history that
0:55:11someone has defended and actresses work
0:55:14by saying she has the shoulders first
0:55:16shoulders
0:55:18so she gets kicked out of the center
0:55:21ring by the great Sebastian and that
0:55:23makes her very upset with Charlton
0:55:25Heston but not with the great Sebastian
0:55:27who she turned absolutely her affections
0:55:29to including the line that was the one
0:55:32that Lauren and I had to stop the movie
0:55:33for a little bit which is where she says
0:55:35the great Sebastian you can hit me if
0:55:37you like that it won't change how I feel
0:55:39about you
0:55:40I wow yeah
0:55:45low self-esteem much there oh no it's
0:55:48when it's when it's when angel goes to
0:55:49make bread coffee inches lol you know do
0:55:51you feel like you want to bite someone
0:55:53who says yes and you as well pick your
0:55:54spot and feel like I'm like codependence
0:55:57and the circus freaks they love
0:55:59wow there's there's a great moment in
0:56:02that scene to where the the wisdom of
0:56:04actually hiring circus performers to be
0:56:06actors is questioned where Holly yet
0:56:08here's yells Tuffy tear down my rigging
0:56:12and Tuffy just cheerful as the day is
0:56:14long goes ok yeah it almost see the
0:56:18thumbs up its off-screen but you can
0:56:20totally feel it it's too cold Tuffy love
0:56:30that Tuffy now I understand why this
0:56:32movie was this picture now me now you
0:56:34get it now your job is the glue that
0:56:36holds this movie or at least tears its
0:56:39ringing okay we missed an important plot
0:56:48point here which is that there's a
0:56:50there's a shadowy criminal who Charlton
0:56:53Heston refuses to let sully the
0:56:57reputation of the of the circus played
0:57:00by Lawrence Lawrence Durrell back by
0:57:02lawrence tyranny of reservoir dogs fame
0:57:04yeah yeah and so they he cleans up the
0:57:06the Midway there's like thieves out
0:57:08there and there's a guy who's robbing
0:57:09people in one of the one of the little
0:57:11booths and he kicks them out and he's
0:57:13like oh I'm gonna get you child neston
0:57:15and and in the end they uh.they he
0:57:19employs the services of Klaus the
0:57:21demented elephant trainer who jealous
0:57:24control system because angels
0:57:26changed her affection to Charlton Heston
0:57:28because EML anyway
0:57:31yeah because it's all Sebastian's fault
0:57:32totally likes class for his elephants
0:57:34there's a lot of Love's lost and
0:57:37craziness
0:57:38it sounds way more intriguing than it
0:57:40actually yeah I'm actually kind of liked
0:57:42the story if something this was written
0:57:44out as a novel with West circus stuff
0:57:47and more character development
0:57:49I probably would have enjoyed it is just
0:57:51sort of like a fluffy beach read but as
0:57:54it was the performances were so bad that
0:57:56there's a movie i mean if you said hey
0:57:58what if we did a movie that showed you
0:58:00backstage at the circus and they're
0:58:02surprising drama and there's human you
0:58:04know human emotions and and you know all
0:58:08this stuff it's gonna be really great
0:58:09material I'd be like okay I could see
0:58:10that I don't love circuses but I could I
0:58:12could totally see that it would not be
0:58:14this movie though this would not hear be
0:58:17you can't not have the circus
0:58:19performances in this film though because
0:58:20without that you don't get the best part
0:58:22of the movie which is the audience
0:58:23reaction shots
0:58:24Oh with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby I just
0:58:29really wanted ice cream after watching
0:58:30all this gravity oh yeah fact I eat ice
0:58:33cream
0:58:33oh yeah thats why it on the ice cream he
0:58:36is riveted and he's got a whole big dome
0:58:38of ice cream and he takes like two bites
0:58:40and it's gone and it's a kid sitting
0:58:43next to him just totally unimpressed
0:58:45yeah it's it's funny you should say that
0:58:47the the story itself separate from the
0:58:50movie would be good
0:58:52back in 1952 1953 they actually had
0:58:55categories for Best Writing of a story
0:58:58and best writing of the actual movie and
0:59:01this one food for the best story and the
0:59:05best screenplay went to the Lavender
0:59:07Hill mob mm go figure
0:59:10yes I don't think this is the best story
0:59:12of anything I heard but that either but
0:59:15it was yeah yeah so anyway the bed that
0:59:18the gangster well what else we have your
0:59:19own so there's Jimmy Stewart he's the
0:59:21clown right buttons a cloud button a
0:59:24clown and turns out and fill your fill
0:59:29four years has been telling me about
0:59:30this movie and I've never seen it
0:59:32I made the mistake of agreeing to this
0:59:34topic so now I've seen it and the only
0:59:36thing I know but she gotta kill the
0:59:38things you like that's it only thing I
0:59:40knew about this movie yeah you know what
0:59:42they say
0:59:43who says that buttons who says that
0:59:45unless you kill the thing someone who
0:59:47killed the 51 mm yeah so that was the
0:59:51only thing I knew about this movie was
0:59:52was that and at that moment comes and
0:59:54I'm like who this is but the clown is
0:59:57that yeah sometimes you gotta kill the
0:59:59things you love
0:59:59things you love
1:00:00there's something I think is really cool
1:00:01about the buttons story which is that
1:00:04even though they never show us buttons
1:00:06outside of his makeup we are expected to
1:00:08recognize him in the photo right because
1:00:11obviously we know that Jimmy Stewart I
1:00:13recognized his voice
1:00:15so here's a picture of Jimmy Stewart you
1:00:17guys know who this is right for all the
1:00:20hand holding this movie does this one
1:00:21moment that they said hey we don't
1:00:24really need to show an offside that make
1:00:26that it's jimmy stewart come on
1:00:27well at the time he was probably the
1:00:29biggest actor in the in the movie
1:00:32because this was Charlton Heston's like
1:00:34one of his first film's was certainly is
1:00:36for starring role and Betty Hutton was
1:00:39sort of big at the time but not you come
1:00:42off of annie get your gun right brand
1:00:44this is this is the best decade for her
1:00:47program
1:00:47yeah but did Jimmy Stewart who was by
1:00:50far the superstar of the movie which is
1:00:53why he gets the but the title at the end
1:00:55and James Stewart as buttons a clown
1:00:58clown SC he apparently agreed to do it
1:01:01on the condition that he never took the
1:01:04makeup and the makeup off that you'd
1:01:06never see his real face seriously and
1:01:10that the check cleared before focus on
1:01:12him
1:01:13I've seen that I think the last I think
1:01:15the last 20 minutes of this movie is
1:01:17actually not bad
1:01:18or at least it's it's like a release
1:01:20from the boredom that comes before it
1:01:23and and that's the moment where so
1:01:25Sebastian falls he he's horribly injured
1:01:29teammate Falls roughly two feet into the
1:01:31ground to the ground you passed out as
1:01:33though he landed on a waterbed strangely
1:01:35enough I what I like is how you can see
1:01:36that the little canvas for this stunt
1:01:38guy and you can see and just gently
1:01:40sinking into the mat that's a completely
1:01:41different textures generally sinking he
1:01:43disappears around a lot of give there in
1:01:47that second house hot a few frames
1:01:49earlier anyway so Sebastian it turns out
1:01:52though buttons the clown notices that
1:01:54sebastian has some feeling in his
1:01:57extremities and then his kalai and
1:01:59buttons is a doctor which is how is able
1:02:01to recognize what this is its own FBI
1:02:03agents looking for a doctor who killed
1:02:04his wife or yeah because he also does
1:02:06the doctor had these strange hobby of
1:02:08clowning and the only reason we know
1:02:09this because Philip I actually stopped
1:02:11and red
1:02:12the prop newspaper that Betty Hutton is
1:02:14reading the fishes
1:02:15look here the doctor killed the thing he
1:02:18loved well then the FBI band says that
1:02:22he always dreamed of growing up and
1:02:24leaving and taking all the trainers
1:02:25around as you can so on a hunch I'm just
1:02:27gonna follow the shortfall of my own
1:02:29expense account what the hell right
1:02:30exactly
1:02:31I'm the only government work can you
1:02:33imagine the razzing he got from his
1:02:34co-workers like you know they're busy
1:02:36busting speakeasies or-or-or
1:02:39segregationists or whatever and they're
1:02:41like how is the clown detail going buddy
1:02:43looks like the reporter in the in the
1:02:45incredible hulk TV series he was on the
1:02:47Hulk beat ya he was not well regarded
1:02:50his paper it's just expense account
1:02:52abuse is what's happening both of these
1:02:53cases to get on the train and there's an
1:02:57end a scene with between Charlton Heston
1:02:59and James Stewart where where he
1:03:01basically discovers that he has medical
1:03:03knowledge and points out that there is a
1:03:05an FBI guy who's going to be looking for
1:03:07for taking fingerprints so you might
1:03:09want to make himself scarce however
1:03:11ar-ar-ar villainous underworld thug has
1:03:15has a headset is the developer who do
1:03:20just teamed with Klaus the same blouse
1:03:23decision he and clouds like set the
1:03:25rigging on the on the train so the net
1:03:27raise that there are two trains there's
1:03:29the the train that has all the equipment
1:03:31on it and then there's the follow train
1:03:33yeah and this is more thought than
1:03:35anyone has ever given this so I
1:03:37apologize in advance so they stopped the
1:03:39early train because that has all the
1:03:40money and they're going to Robert and no
1:03:41that's gonna that's gonna get Charlton
1:03:43Heston where it hurts accept that excuse
1:03:46geniuses didn't account for the fact
1:03:48that the other train would be right
1:03:50behind shortly and what happens is that
1:03:54a train wreck of a movie becomes a
1:03:56little tree is the first time I've ever
1:03:58seen a train wreck inside another train
1:04:00wreck which i will give that there is
1:04:02that wonderful moment where you're
1:04:03looking on
1:04:04there's the actual trade wreck their
1:04:05this yes you're overlooking the
1:04:07important moment where Klaus realizes
1:04:09that his beloved what's her name is Joe
1:04:12only screams at 20,000 times in the
1:04:15movie Monty yeah so he has to save her
1:04:18and doesn't my driving the car directly
1:04:19at all yeah the rocket scientist
1:04:22payments on that turn and
1:04:24angel hasn't spent most of the her
1:04:26circus going life moving about the US
1:04:28entry and here's the thing that the
1:04:30money is exactly right
1:04:31his instinct to stop the trade is to
1:04:34drive his truck right in front of the
1:04:36Train and wave hit anyway dramatically
1:04:39oh I can't you see the lights
1:04:42why you're not stopping horrible train
1:04:44crash happens that car gets flipped good
1:04:47to the Lions all escape but it does lead
1:04:51to my favorite shot at the end of the
1:04:52movie which has just closest boot
1:04:54sticking up from the record and a
1:04:56monkey's ER doctor already know for him
1:04:59over his ill-gotten money because it's a
1:05:00big stack of money next to his boots to
1:05:02death with dignity
1:05:04the monkeys are counting now angel is
1:05:10the best part of this movie so anyway
1:05:11that the beauties but the doctors
1:05:13knocked out the circus dr. Charlton
1:05:15Heston is is believed that wounded and
1:05:18bleeding out all the while continuing to
1:05:20bark orders about how to handle he knows
1:05:23how to handle a train crash and save the
1:05:26circus which is really really terrible
1:05:28at delegating Authority because the next
1:05:29train that's undoubtedly coming along a
1:05:31few hours from now is not to be
1:05:33concerned but no no no we have to make
1:05:35the show the show must go on show must
1:05:37go on so he as he's bleeding out he's
1:05:39giving these orders and and but the
1:05:42doctor is knocked out so who's going to
1:05:45save him and he's gonna need a blood
1:05:47transfusion and it turns out that that i
1:05:49can raise a clown the great Sebastian
1:05:51has the right blood type and buttons a
1:05:54clown is dr. and reveals himself there
1:05:59by doing himself to going to prison in
1:06:01order to save charlton well he reveals
1:06:03himself only after only after Holly begs
1:06:05him and MPs reasons that pass beyond
1:06:08understanding in any form
1:06:10he's a sucker for Holly I mean God knows
1:06:13why because she spends the entire movie
1:06:14hysterically proclaiming all of her
1:06:17wants and needs to anyone within
1:06:18striking distance and yet was cool of
1:06:20course Holly maybe her voices in the
1:06:22exact frequency response to like a dog
1:06:24whistle guys it's because he wants to
1:06:26kill her
1:06:27yeah you are
1:06:28did they really really like the great
1:06:31Sebastian's attitude during the blood
1:06:33transfer yeah oh yeah where he he's not
1:06:35gonna be lucky with the ladies now it's
1:06:37being Noble and donating his blood to
1:06:42his romantic rival out of spite and he's
1:06:44still saying things like when you have
1:06:46babies
1:06:47now let me be me looking up into your
1:06:49left yeah he didn't turn it off
1:06:54I don't know about yeah i know i thought
1:06:56that i actually think we train wreck and
1:06:58thereafter is actually really great it's
1:07:00just that you've got to go two hours and
1:07:0120 minutes to get there
1:07:03yeah it's it's the longest episode of
1:07:06The Fugitive ever
1:07:08yeah it's so anyway the FBI man shakes
1:07:11buttons a clown's hand and then put the
1:07:14cuffs on and takes away and what did
1:07:17dark ending for that character I mean he
1:07:20was like the heart of the film for my
1:07:22way through i was just like i love sighs
1:07:24which do you know what they do to do
1:07:25this in clown makeup in the state pen do
1:07:27you suppose they strapped in the
1:07:28electric chair he's got his clown makeup
1:07:30on but i think what they do to child
1:07:32molesters is bad you should see how they
1:07:33treat guys who show up in greasepaint
1:07:35let me put on a show they put him in a
1:07:36really crowded cell with a whole bunch
1:07:38of other clans it's a much more
1:07:42enjoyable movie if you view it as the
1:07:45the origin story for Pennywise the clown
1:07:47from we kill the things we love down
1:07:51here down here at all for doubts hopple
1:07:56so i think i think that isn't child has
1:07:59to Charlton Heston is a hoping that the
1:08:01show go on but this terrible thing and
1:08:03and and all wrapped up here eei he
1:08:05attempts to the tents gone they put up
1:08:07the flag pole for the tent but there's
1:08:09no tent and what's going to do how can
1:08:11you be a circus without a tent but they
1:08:12still have the stands in the whole town
1:08:14that they're going to comes and watches
1:08:16the circus with presumably like the you
1:08:19know the bear with the broken arm and
1:08:21the Lions who ate some of the elephants
1:08:24and all the monkeys we could catch the
1:08:26entire town came to the circus peak us
1:08:29it was either that or they had to help
1:08:30the town marshal with the with a guy who
1:08:33was coming back on the train
1:08:34actually the recent at the town came to
1:08:36the circus is because they were fleeing
1:08:38the liens that are running
1:08:40they were going to sell tickets to see
1:08:44the train wreck which i think is a
1:08:45pretty good idea for 1951 I hear the
1:08:49train wrecks are fascinating and you
1:08:50can't look away look away yeah well I
1:08:52watching all two hours and 33 minutes of
1:08:54this movie and proof of that
1:08:55oh ok here's my here's my review of the
1:08:58greatest greatest show on earth
1:08:59you guys can tell me if this equates
1:09:01with you it's so bad in so many
1:09:03different ways i would say it's one of
1:09:06its it's one of the worst prestigious
1:09:08movies every day i'll say that yes I've
1:09:10seen Frankenstein island
1:09:12I you know I've seen many terrible mst3k
1:09:14movies pound-for-pound this movie has
1:09:17stars and a budget and sisal B DeMille
1:09:21and won the Academy Award and it's bad i
1:09:24mean it's it's like painful bat like
1:09:26steve was it got me very excited when he
1:09:28was talking about how he was sort of
1:09:29mst3k through the first 15 minutes and i
1:09:32watch the first 15 minutes I was like
1:09:33yeah I can see that
1:09:34well you know after about an hour i was
1:09:36like no no the reason that rifftrax
1:09:38hasn't done this movie is that you can't
1:09:40go back about more than 40 minutes in
1:09:42before you have to shut it off and walk
1:09:43away
1:09:44it's not unlike Batman and Robin in that
1:09:46respect we manage that one
1:09:47Lisa and I've always talked about doing
1:09:50that with ten commandments which is
1:09:51another sessle bj movie except it's like
1:09:53foot four hours long i want to say it
1:09:57probably easily cut out an hour and a
1:09:58half and also you will go to hell I I do
1:10:01it every year on Twitter and and I did
1:10:03it years and years before that it's just
1:10:05there was my Easter tradition just do
1:10:07the 10 commandments it's wonderful that
1:10:09the problem with trying to rip this
1:10:10movie is because is that you'll run to
1:10:12the interminable circus scenes and
1:10:15there's only so many things you can say
1:10:16about oh look it's another stupid clown
1:10:18look Dorothy Lamour is singing her
1:10:20contract early mandated song
1:10:22yeah the disney parade was stupid and
1:10:24the disney parade just keeps being
1:10:25stupid and no let's set that what they
1:10:28do the Marie Antoinette parade part that
1:10:30I yeah baffling and confusing like I I
1:10:33was like two people really want to see
1:10:34what was that I enjoy the the two women
1:10:39sitting in the little car waving and
1:10:42smiling to the crowd while they say
1:10:43horribly caddy things to 12 and Holly
1:10:46yeah what the one thing I shame as you
1:10:48this favor is that it has the most
1:10:50delightfully caddy dialogue
1:10:52you will ever find in a motion picture
1:10:54it outside of say the women or uh which
1:10:58we should watch for the officer watch ya
1:11:00the money it is Oscar it's like you're
1:11:03nervous a tooth there's just a lot of
1:11:05backbiting and always a global circus
1:11:07people you know
1:11:08yeah no angels angels great she just
1:11:10keeps swinging just keep swinging the
1:11:11lines left right and Slattery rolls
1:11:13right off me call it tight
1:11:16although she does have the absolute
1:11:17worst come online i think i have ever
1:11:20heard in form of I used to fill my dad's
1:11:23pie piya o let's get to me that like
1:11:25kind of like my closest you get to be
1:11:27speaking some horrible abusive past that
1:11:29she ran away from and she's like a super
1:11:31circus is better than this horrible
1:11:33Truman Capote gothic small-town
1:11:35nightmare i'm living
1:11:36yes Steve that's her that's remove is is
1:11:38yeah she could fill a pipe but we're
1:11:41going to make it really set the mood I
1:11:42thought
1:11:43except for Charlotte intestine didn't
1:11:45think a woman could know we didn't if
1:11:47you know what he likes didn't even know
1:11:49I don't
1:11:50the only thing that will keep me warm as
1:11:51if I'm wrapped in a marriage license why
1:11:53not it would be something new
1:11:55yes it's perfect look it actually in the
1:11:58war I Drive a tank is probably a better
1:12:01come on them to tell my dad that is a
1:12:03good come on there's a steal
1:12:05steven spielberg influence with this
1:12:07movie because this was apparently the
1:12:08first movie I ever watched over remember
1:12:10going to see ya horse uh Charlton
1:12:13Heston's look with the fedora cap and
1:12:15the and the leather jacket very
1:12:17reminiscent of the of another steven
1:12:19spielberg character Oskar Schindler all
1:12:22this bug-eyed reaction shots that he
1:12:24loves so much are just people watching
1:12:25the greatest show on earth
1:12:26yeah that's his direction every time
1:12:29lookup I'm gonna put this light on you
1:12:31imagine you're watching the greatest
1:12:33show ever mention the circus and
1:12:35actually as I was watching the train
1:12:36crash I was like well super 8 was better
1:12:39but in the future I am you know train
1:12:41crash was actually not bad
1:12:43yeah yeah I was I mean you could tell
1:12:44that they were little train cars but no
1:12:47it was just it was a the last 20 minutes
1:12:50of this like I said I I i have no issues
1:12:53with that because that was when all of
1:12:54the it's ago now we need to end our
1:12:56story so now it's like to be steward and
1:12:58the doctor and the FBI guys on the train
1:13:00and they're they're gonna plot in this
1:13:02but elephant handler and he's very angry
1:13:03and there's that you know and it all bit
1:13:06pays off and then somebody's gotta save
1:13:08Charlton Heston that all you know that
1:13:10all was a quite watchable I just you
1:13:13know I must admit I I recognize that
1:13:15this is a terrible terrible terrible
1:13:16film but I i quite enjoyed it
1:13:20oh that's sort of wrap around the good
1:13:22way yeah I enjoyed it too
1:13:24it might just be because I like terrible
1:13:26movies about circuses I like the Elvis
1:13:28movie roustabout and yellow face that's
1:13:30not a circus that's a carnival mr. quite
1:13:35close and I we're gonna have a circus
1:13:36cardiff right this is great
1:13:38oh we're not there 10 shots okay and
1:13:41he's out the dancing fight was bad you
1:13:43know i didn't i didn't hate this movie I
1:13:45I never ever ever want to have to watch
1:13:48it again but i'm very glad that I saw it
1:13:51oh yeah it's a badge of honor just have
1:13:53seen it at the very least
1:13:55yeah and I mean I liked I like I said I
1:13:57i quite liked the story I just hated all
1:13:59the characters except for buttons whom I
1:14:01like a clown and then yeah an angel
1:14:04angel was also good to yes he was there
1:14:06are a couple of shots in the movie i
1:14:08thought were actually pretty cool
1:14:10there's one I can't remember where it
1:14:11happens in the movie which is probably a
1:14:13problem but they're outside the tent
1:14:14arguing about something but the big wall
1:14:18of the tent is open and you can see the
1:14:19circus going on behind them
1:14:21I thought circus makes a good backdrop
1:14:24to a movie
1:14:26I feel like this entire film was filmed
1:14:27in one take you've got you've got circus
1:14:31performers were clearly flooding their
1:14:32lines you've got the shot of the kid in
1:14:36the audience digging into his nose
1:14:38detect very sure that you intend to
1:14:40capture bad guys with your screw it just
1:14:43it just the whole thing seems like it
1:14:44was just thrown together
1:14:45oh you know the one scene where she's
1:14:48doing the flips around she's trying to
1:14:51set a world record in the audience is
1:14:52counting along with her
1:14:54yeah yeah no I forgotten about that
1:14:5615-minute seed I would be pretty bored
1:14:58sitting in a circus tent counting to a
1:14:59hundred i was impressed that the crowd
1:15:02as a whole
1:15:03could could do like a hundred 200 300
1:15:06for those actors lots of syllables for
1:15:08them to keep in unison and they managed
1:15:10to do it
1:15:11this was before fun was invented that
1:15:14was fun you guys
1:15:15haha
1:15:16I like how Charlton Heston runs in and
1:15:19you know is the killjoy and lowers her
1:15:21down and she's so furious that he's
1:15:23lowering her on her first sad now it's
1:15:26like sad little rope tip to be fair he
1:15:28does have clowns running around
1:15:30underneath her like they're gonna catch
1:15:32that just showbiz aspect of it is the
1:15:35most of the people in the crowd liked
1:15:37was that supposed to happen i guess
1:15:38there are clouds yeah i'm getting again
1:15:41not exactly a Death with Dignity when
1:15:43they're not misunderstand little fool
1:15:47only buttons can bring true death
1:15:50dignity
1:15:52he's the only climb with dignity don't
1:15:54worry folks once we fished her out of
1:15:56the water but she'll be fine
1:15:58yeah Emmett Kelly's really kind of a
1:16:00depressing clown
1:16:01yes essentials great ukulele bit kind of
1:16:04his stick
1:16:05he appears without his makeup he appears
1:16:07without his makeup in the movie there's
1:16:09a very brief scene where he's like I
1:16:11think it's on the train wreck where his
1:16:14his face paint which he very rarely
1:16:16allowed himself to be photographed doing
1:16:18but apparently thought so much of this
1:16:19movie that he guys this is it this is
1:16:22what i'm going to do it because we will
1:16:24finally bring dignity to my profession
1:16:26the movie I've always wanted to make and
1:16:28makeup for Jimmy Stewart never taking
1:16:30his office but it's ready to clown world
1:16:32has to balance out clown karma this will
1:16:35be my legacy this in the velvet painting
1:16:37have to admit that Emmett Kelly actually
1:16:38raised a smile once or twice which is
1:16:41more than I can say for any other clown
1:16:43ever
1:16:44well yeah yeah it was a movie yeah sort
1:16:49of i think you'll probably spend longer
1:16:51editing this podcast then they did
1:16:52editing this but i guess i devoted for
1:16:56high noon
1:16:56yeah if you really can't be awarded
1:16:58better I don't even like westerns and i
1:17:00still would have voted for hanging yeah
1:17:01that wasn't a Western though it was it
1:17:03was a human drama within Western
1:17:06backdrop yeah it'sit's don't Western
1:17:08almost westerns were just kids
1:17:10shoot-'em-ups this was about man mature
1:17:13decisions
1:17:14ok then I don't like movies with Western
1:17:16backdrops but they still have taken ok
1:17:18not forsake merica and so I don't like
1:17:23movies set in california i always need a
1:17:25drink of water i don't like I don't like
1:17:26movies near deserts I like movies that
1:17:29were shot where I grew
1:17:30so you know pretty much of its high noon
1:17:31or back to the future part 3 i'm sure i
1:17:34grew up not too far from the source of
1:17:36the Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey
1:17:38Circus so i can't i have to say that no
1:17:41just because I grew up close to they're
1:17:42still in saying that one yeah no you
1:17:45don't need to take credit for the no one
1:17:47needs to take any more credit
1:17:49I apologize for showing her and I
1:17:51apologize from mccarthyism while I'm at
1:17:53it I'm sorry behalf of Wisconsin I
1:17:56apologize
1:17:57how much of this movie was just financed
1:17:59by the Ringling Brothers the whole thing
1:18:00is like an ad for them so um yeah really
1:18:03and John and John Ringling north appears
1:18:05in it he does as himself as himself what
1:18:09range it's strangely they actually feel
1:18:11that he's got enough name recognition
1:18:12that they have Charlton Heston saying
1:18:14get me John north
1:18:15well this is a docudrama this all really
1:18:17happened
1:18:18it's just you know it's a recreation of
1:18:21the great train circus train wreck of
1:18:231948 right all of the people who
1:18:25survived and were eaten by the lion it's
1:18:28a their City told their stories and
1:18:31lived to tell their thai really that is
1:18:32the moment that like that I keep coming
1:18:34back to is that they they have like
1:18:35there's the lions are like jumping out
1:18:37of their cages that one line the kind of
1:18:39struggles to get out of the cage looks
1:18:40kind of like my cat if you know he's
1:18:42trying he's trying to get up on the
1:18:43couch and he's very old neighbors like
1:18:45Kelly come online you can get out there
1:18:47and I'm thinking what happens now that
1:18:49there's probably like because he says
1:18:51check out the guerrillas my glass
1:18:52probably shattered and I'm imagining
1:18:54like gorillas with shards of glass and
1:18:57meanwhile the lions are always pieces
1:18:59incontinent gorillas incidentally
1:19:01because they need enough lettuce yeah
1:19:02the good clients around the sink honest
1:19:05which is blocked up those poor straining
1:19:07girl is are now sitting on the shards
1:19:09and elephants all lit up on gin the fat
1:19:15guy who had to hang out with the hippo
1:19:17because he couldn't fit on any other
1:19:18part of my god that was the one
1:19:20pissed-off giraffe shattering all the
1:19:22pool cues in the local pool hall yeah
1:19:24they said the fact that would be with a
1:19:25hypocrite make me ride with this ship
1:19:27all it seems weird that they didn't have
1:19:29a plan for that they've always got a guy
1:19:31whose entire actors he's pretty fat
1:19:33that's a good line though agenda
1:19:35elephants just who's nate pink humans
1:19:41ladies thank you i liked the bit where
1:19:43somebody asks Dorothy Lamour who's that
1:19:45and she responds oh that's the china and
1:19:47the fat boy
1:19:48just so you know that was that was also
1:19:50CBS drama in the nineteen eighties
1:19:51children in the fifth
1:19:53anybody want to wager as to what the
1:19:55Academy was smoking when they came up
1:19:57with this as the best picture circus
1:19:59peanuts and probably really expensive
1:20:00cigars provided by Cecil B DeMille I
1:20:05think it just felt really big it's a
1:20:06long movie it's super Technicolor it's
1:20:09got animals and it just feels epic i
1:20:11think that was the Oscar bait of the day
1:20:14like it now it's certainly not this type
1:20:16of filming here back then the giant
1:20:18extravaganza it's a spectacle thing you
1:20:20know now it's movies that nobody saw but
1:20:22had their hearts in the right place
1:20:23quality aside this is the movie it's
1:20:25like you will be in the circus and you
1:20:27will see the whole circus and the
1:20:29stories around the circus I mean I get
1:20:31it
1:20:31it is a big idea yeah which raises the
1:20:34question of why I would want to do that
1:20:35trainwreck was in innovative for its
1:20:37time the the shooting of them
1:20:39it's not often you can make a toy model
1:20:41look that spectacularly but mostly they
1:20:43were smoking the we don't want we don't
1:20:45want the house and American Activities
1:20:47Committee to come out let's give the
1:20:49statute to the nice old man who makes
1:20:51circus movies
1:20:52yes a couple years later the winner was
1:20:54around the world in 80 days which is
1:20:56also not a very good movie that is
1:20:58certainly Technicolor and spectacular
1:21:01and and a quick cast of thousands you
1:21:03like the fact that their vote against
1:21:04High Noon kind of makes the whole point
1:21:06of that film
1:21:07yeah yeah yeah we're not standing with
1:21:09him either
1:21:10how about that yeah he should've left
1:21:13shouldn't have been a movie no irony
1:21:15here
1:21:17alright I Phil what it would say you
1:21:20have we have we covered this topic to
1:21:23your satisfaction i think i think it is
1:21:24done and dusted I think we have said
1:21:26more words about the greatest show on
1:21:28earth in it then it merits and I that I
1:21:30can only hope that we have stoked
1:21:32people's interest in watching the other
1:21:34two movies which are very good yes and
1:21:38very peppy and on evening well spent i
1:21:41agree with that and if we have brought
1:21:42just a little joy into your otherwise
1:21:44humdrum lives we know all our hard work
1:21:47it been in vain for nothing as the
1:21:50trailer for the greatest show on earth
1:21:51said I think this podcast is quote
1:21:53unquote
1:21:54for the happiness of the world yeah wow
1:21:58yeah wow so what you're saying is this
1:22:01podcast is the greatest show on earth
1:22:02that is that what I think but the
1:22:05transitive property yes indeed
1:22:07I'm all raised me into the air again
1:22:09because you are circus m2 and
1:22:13comfortable the greatest podcast on
1:22:15earth the tiger podcast running through
1:22:17my veins you not forsake me oh my
1:22:19darling didn't do i have to say i have
1:22:26not taken off my clown makeup is I'm
1:22:30sorry that you played music throughout
1:22:31things when they were coming to a close
1:22:33David feed those gorillas Phil not
1:22:36forsake me or my podcast got a tight you
1:22:39gotta tighten up the Riggin over there
1:22:41Lisa those uh those monkeys
1:22:43I need some lettuce and sugar i only
1:22:47like you for your elephant is the ginned
1:22:52up my clown face will be the last thing
1:22:56you see before you die
1:22:58haha sometimes you gotta kill the things
1:23:04you love film i just realized something
1:23:09you know you know why Holly wasn't
1:23:10concerned about being killed by buttons
1:23:12a clown what because clowns are funny
1:23:14people they only love once that's
1:23:17righted that's true that is actually the
1:23:20only funny thing about clouds all right
1:23:24we're gonna close up the old movie club
1:23:261952 I think we rated rated the wrong of
1:23:30the Oscars now take that Senator
1:23:32McCarthy that's right
1:23:34Hollywood Hollywood fat cat sitting in
1:23:38their homes i like to imagine this kid
1:23:40coming home saying mom I got arrested he
1:23:42gave me a puppy can I keep it all part
1:23:49of the greatest show on earth to board
1:23:52the greater show on earth when the Lions
1:23:54came to live in our town the greatest
1:23:56show on the move
1:23:57so what we'll wrap up old movie club
1:24:02here i wonder what field will have for
1:24:04us next time i'm a little scared after
1:24:06this this go-round but again we got we
1:24:08saw again like we did last time to good
1:24:09movies and then we also saw nothing that
1:24:13was that was fun and it's so weird maybe
1:24:16it's a 667 average and that would get
1:24:18you into the Hall of Fame like that
1:24:20yeah it's a hall-of-fame kind of thing
1:24:22definitely
1:24:23alright i would like to thank my guess
1:24:24for for participating in the silliness
1:24:27and watching these movies which was a
1:24:29lot of fun
1:24:30Monty Ashley thank you for being here ok
1:24:32David Laura thank you insert claim joke
1:24:39here
1:24:39Oh fair enough Steve what's thank you
1:24:42it's all for nothing Jason it's all
1:24:45Erica and sign thanks for coming back
1:24:52thank you you know i just wish that
1:24:54podcast guest appearances paid because
1:24:56then i'd make more money than Calvin
1:24:58Coolidge put together
1:25:00Oh what am I dama some moisturizer you
1:25:08did Lina Lamont in our radio drama you
1:25:11basically did that voice I did yes thank
1:25:13you for being here if he should thank me
1:25:16for not document lil mama hope I yeah I
1:25:18stands and you know she actually does
1:25:24get better at talking throughout that
1:25:25movie like she does issues rounded vowel
1:25:28she just can't change your voice I think
1:25:30that's a great time around low tools and
1:25:34that leaves five so goodbye to everybody
1:25:36except for Michaels fill at earlier on
1:25:38you said that you would be in my Posse
1:25:40and stop these guys when the train comes
1:25:42but I couldn't get anybody else can hear
1:25:44you still with me I've got a wife and
1:25:46family I'm out of here
1:25:47Oh angel is not that trade oh well
1:25:51there's nothing to be done
1:25:52thanks for putting together the old
1:25:53movie club but you're very welcome i
1:25:55regret nothing yeah thanks Phil
1:26:00all right everybody out there listening
1:26:03to this we're uh very happy if you've
1:26:06decided see high noon or singing in the
1:26:08rain and if you watched the other one
1:26:11well wait for the rifftrax your own
1:26:14fault
1:26:15no refunds until next time I remain just
1:26:19until your host alone at the train
1:26:21station waiting for the men to shoot me
1:26:22goodnight goodnight