Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► about by my co-host John siracusa I'm [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Dan Benjamin this is episode number 66 [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► it's Friday May 4 2012 [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► I want to say thanks very much to our [TS]

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00:00:35 ◼   ► to also say thanks to a friend of 5x5 [TS]

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00:00:40 ◼   ► Raphael who does all of the amazing show [TS]

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00:00:56 ◼   ► for this month so go check out symbolic [TS]

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00:01:02 ◼   ► doing that [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► John greeting sir how are you I went [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► back to programming yeah why not it's [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► what you do it's what you do best [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► might be Perl it up right that's what I [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► was doing all right you want do show [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► sure why not how are you doing fine [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► feels like a long time since we've done [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► a show I had just been a week seems like [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► a lot longer just a week got another one [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► of those shows today what does that mean [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► shows that they're just saturated with [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► follow up oh oh that's that's your [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► favorite kind of show though no it's [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► kind of getting becoming a mix now [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► because a lot of the follow up things [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► like what if you're following up on [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► something that's from like last year is [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► that still follow up are you talking [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► about a new thing [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► if you've ever mentioned it before then [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► by definition is follow yeah I'm on the [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► long graph it seems like everything [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► eventually is follow up right yeah that [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► no that makes sense in the long term [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► we're all dead Dan all right on that [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► note [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► let's start alright there were some [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► small ones fall up a Pattaya michael de [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► gusta wrote in to say that in all his [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► listening on 5x5 about WWC stuff across [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► several different shows lots of [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► different people talked about it he [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► didn't hear anyone mentioned the idea of [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► pronouncing the on sale date and time [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► now I listen to a lot of these shows to [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► him I thought this was actually [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► mentioned by someone but I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► wasn't mentioned by me so in that regard [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► at least he's right [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► now the idea is that if these tickets [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► are going to sell out the least Apple [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► can do is announce like okay in two [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► weeks the tickets are going to go on [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► sale at 8 a.m. Eastern Time whatever so [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► that people around the world can decide [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► then to stay up late or whatever instead [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► of sleeping in their beds with their [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► cell phones next to their head hoping [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► they're going to be notified by some [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► sort of alert system just simply pre [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► announce the date and that would give a [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► more fair shot to everybody who wants to [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► just clamor to get the tickets [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► immediately I'm not sure why they don't [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► do that other than apples usual policy [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► of never pre announcing anything they [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► tell you when they're available and then [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► they're available and I'm also not sure [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► for our how much how much happier that [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► would make everybody involved I don't [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► know I guess it would make the people on [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► the other side of the world happier but [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► would they really be happy if they [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► stayed up until 3 a.m. and still didn't [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► get tickets so there's that downside as [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► well but it's it's worth mentioning the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► idea of pre announcing the on sale time [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► even though that's definitely not an [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► Apple style thing to do we'll see next [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► year if they consider that maurice kelly [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► has a little bit of follow up about [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► we're talking about things for sale in [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► the ios app store that can only list [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► their requirements based on what [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► features they want but not based on the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► actual model of a phone or whatever so [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► there was an example of a game that only [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► ran on the 3GS but there was no way for [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► the developer to specify that because [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► you can only specify the features that [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► you want and someone wrote in [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► subsequently saying well if you just [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► simply specify that you need a [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► front-facing camera that would eliminate [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► for example the ipad one from contention [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► even if you're you know you don't need a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► camera for your game if you just [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► that is a requirement then you will [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► eliminate the iPad one from the in from [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the requirement sidebar then someone [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► else wrote in and I think I agreed with [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► the idea that Apple might frown upon [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► that practice of you know saying okay my [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► game doesn't really need a front-facing [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► camera but I'm going to listed in the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► requirements anyway just to get the [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► result I want on the website because I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► don't want people being confused by the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► requirements that make it seem like you [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► can run this on your iPhone 3G or on [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► your iPad one over time when you can't [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and so Maurice Kelly points out that [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► Apple itself uh he was does this with [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► iPhoto he was prohibited from buying [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► iPhoto for iOS because he lacks a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► front-facing camera now I don't know if [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► I thought we uses the front-facing [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► camera I can you take a picture from [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► within iPhoto it seems like you probably [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► can't you can take it from the Photos [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► app I guess but if Apple itself is not [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► beyond doing this that doesn't mean that [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► developers are free to do it as well but [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► I guess is something developers can [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► experiment with if you want to waste two [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► weeks of your life [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► submit your game with the requirement [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► says you need a front-facing camera and [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► see if the person who looks at it says [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► sorry rejected your game doesn't [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► actually use the camera please send it [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► back with different requirements I'm not [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► sure many people want to run that [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► experiment it was last show when I was [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► complaining about the new Gmail UI I [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► mentioned the contacts were hidden away [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► inside Gmail and that there wasn't a [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► separate context at google.com via [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► reticle site apparently there is [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► emmerich writes in to tell me that there [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► are there is a contact google.com and he [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► uses it all the time and it's been [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► around forever but I've never actually [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► used it so there you go if you're [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► looking for your contacts and you can't [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► find them in Gmail just go to context [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► google comm and you will find it's their [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► family friends family acquaintances and [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► circles and then there's something [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► called most contacted other contacts are [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► you or your Google contacts a mess I [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► don't pay any attention to them I mean I [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► never use this stuff mine RMS like I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► have a fighting chance kind of of [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► managing my contacts in the address book [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► but my Google contacts are just a big [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► hairy mess and I cannot figure out what [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► the problem is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and it bothers me a lot because I would [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► - you know the original complaint was [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► Google context it's like Oh every time I [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► email somebody it adds in to my contacts [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► list so Google said okay we can fix that [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► while I add an option that says please [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► don't add people to my context when I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► email them but that's not the solution [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► like because then they don't appear in [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► your autocomplete history or what you [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► want to have is don't add every single [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► contact the email to my address book but [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► do add them to the autocomplete list in [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► case I want to email them to the N again [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and I actually haven't tried turning it [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► off because I do want the autocomplete [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► the work I just basically ignore the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► contacts but it bothers me when I go [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► into my contacts and I see it just a big [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► mess with like a million duplicates and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► just knowing knowing it's out there [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► bothers you well here's the here's the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► practical effect of it somehow I don't [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► know how this happens but I'll be [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► looking like my my a diem or a diem as [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► the developers say buddy list and I'll [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► see a window with a bunch of chat from [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► somebody and I'll have the wrong name [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► next to them it'll say like Bob Smith [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► but I will see a bunch of chat from [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► somebody who I know is not Bob Smith and [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► I'll say what back is going on so I like [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► right click on them in the Buddy list [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► and see what the deal is and I will find [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► that there's an ADM contact that has [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► 8,000 email addresses gmail email [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► addresses and IIM names under it and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► some random alias you know it says Bob [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► Smith like what who why does this [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► contact have all these people's Gmail [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► and gtalk and aim addresses them and [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► then it says Bob Smith this is these are [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► like 17 different people and then I'll [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► go to my Google contacts listen I'll [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► find sure enough I found a contact [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► called Bob Smith that has a thousand [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► email addresses attached to it and a [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► whole bunch of AI AM addresses attached [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► to it I don't know how that thing came [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► to be and why it has all these things [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► attached to it you know like literally [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► fifty to a hundred email addresses Gmail [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► addresses gtalk things and and names [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► attached under some random name so I [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► deleted I clean it all out and I forget [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► about it and then it comes back I'm [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► always afraid that I'm going to be [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► talking to someone no I think oh I think [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► I'm talking to one person I'll be [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► talking to someone entirely different [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► you know I got to keep right-clicking my [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► contacts to make sure I know who they [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► are so Google contacts angers me I [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► haven't quite figured we didn't need [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► that sidebar there all right that's one [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► here's an email from Jason Gregory who [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► was nice to point out that his [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► name which is spelled G re G Ori is [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► pronounced like the first name Gregory [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► but not like Grigory which is exactly [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► how I was going to pronounce that he [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► says some reason everyone wants to put a [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► big emphasis on a second G so I wanted [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► to do I don't know why I see GRE GRE I [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► want to say Grigory but no it's Jason [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► Gregory so thank you for the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► appreciation guy he says that when I was [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► talking about WOD C and how you get to [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► talk to Apple developers and stuff he [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► says he went to WC last year for the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► first time and didn't really get to do [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► that he says I'm kind of shy and didn't [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► know anyone else there let alone [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► well-known personality like you guys I'm [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► going again this year I was wondering if [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► you'd give me some advice on about [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► talking to Apple developers so there's [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► two parts of that the first thing is [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► what I was talking about when I said you [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► developers want to go to WABC to talk to [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► to the Apple engineers you can make an [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► appointment to see an Apple engineer [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► about a specific topic where you sit [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► down in the lab with them and look at [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► your source code and ask them your a [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► specific question so like nothing to do [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► with social anything is let they have an [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► actual I don't know how hard it is to [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► get those appointments maybe it may be [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► there it's difficult to get them but I [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► bet during the course of the week you [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► will be able to get a slot with an [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► appointment with the person you know [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► with a with a particular person that you [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► want to talk to maybe you don't know [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► them by name but you just say hey I need [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► someone to help me with core data I [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► which by the way in the previous show I [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► thought I was saying core data the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► entire time and apparently I was saying [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► core foundation which is also a thing [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► but it was not what I meant to say mouth [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► and brain that connected so so that's [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the first thing you can actually make [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► appointments in the labs and you will [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► get to talk to an Apple engineer just [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► you one-on-one by appointment no social [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► anything necessary now the second thing [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► is I'm totally the wrong person to talk [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► to about how to socially find Apple [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► engineers and talk to them [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► because I don't know most of their names [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► and I'm just lucky enough that some of [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► them might happen to know my name and I [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► get to talk to them so that is if you [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► are not a social butterfly and don't [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► know how to navigate that world and make [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► friends with people and stuff it may be [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► difficult to find the people you want to [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► talk to in in a sort of organic social [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► setting because before and after they [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► give their that they give their talks I [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► mean usually after someone gives a [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► session you can kind of hang around and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► talk to them for a few minutes but [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► really like the room is going to be used [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► for another session and they've got [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► somewhere to be and it's not is not the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► ideal environment I don't know [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► advice to give you to try to find people [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► outside of a structured environment so I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► would say make an appointment in the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► labs try to hang out afterwards to talk [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► to someone you're interested in but [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► maybe just say like hey can is there any [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► time you can talk with me later if they [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► just gave a talk about something you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► have more questions - or maybe they can [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► direct you to someone else at the end of [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► every session they also have a slide [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► that says if you have any questions [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► email such-and-such a person who's [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► usually not the person who gave the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► presentation but hits some [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► representative of this group or whatever [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► so write down those email addresses and [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► make contacts and maybe I guess the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► other thing I suggest is start following [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► Apple employees and Apple developers and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► people indirectly related to them on [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► Twitter and start communicating with [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► them that way in a nice and respectful [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► constructive manner and maybe they will [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► notice your niceness and [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► constructiveness and interest and you [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► can form some kind of relationship with [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► them 140 characters at a time and then [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► maybe say hey I'm going to wotc will you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► be there blah blah blah that's one way [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► you might be able to get to know people [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► if you are also very shy and don't know [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► how to do it because that's one of the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► great things about Twitter I think is [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► that it's one it's a medium where you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► can end up having person-to-person [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► contact with people you would never [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► otherwise have contact with like they're [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► never going to answer your email there [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► your emails them probably goes to some [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► sort of handle or PR firm because [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► they're too big or famous type of [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► celebrities or whatever but on any [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► random day some celebrities are very [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► needy people and they will say you know [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► I'm up late at night and I'm a famous [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► celebrity ask me anything and I will [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► answer your questions and it's 3m where [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► they are and it's a normal time where [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► you are and you tweet them something and [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► they tweet you back and you just had a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► 140 character exchange with a famous [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► person who you would never have contact [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► with otherwise that's not so useful for [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► celebrities but for Apple engineers [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► again you're never allowed you know this [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► person even worked at Apple or or who [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► they wore whatever but you can find them [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► through social networks on Twitter and [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► sometimes they're bored and 140 [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► characters not a big commitment and [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► again they were probably never answer an [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► email if you emailed them directly they [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► would redirect you to develop all [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► technical services or whatever but on [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► Twitter they might send you a reply [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► about something so give that a try but I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► will reiterate asking me for advice on [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► social things it's probably not a good [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► so I lounge has a one of those typical [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► rumor stories that we start to see about [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► like what is the next iPhone going to [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► look like I thought this was a [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► noteworthy not because I lend any [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► particularly credence to it remember all [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the wedge rumors last year and we've got [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► all these liquid metal rumors going [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► around so we this is the season of every [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► possible rumor about the phone you could [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► imagine I linked to in the show notes [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► though because I thought it was a nice [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► sort of summation of the rumors that [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► we've talked about elsewhere if you were [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► to combine them all together and say [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► what could this kind of look like they [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► did some nice pictures of it so they're [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the one that they did was bigger [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► you know taller screen as we discussed [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► but also thinner and they put a metal [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► back on the phone instead of a glass one [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and they made you know the glass to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► store more stuff like us but the thing I [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► took away from their little mock-ups was [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that if you make the iPhone a little bit [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► bigger but you get some thinness and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► return for that it does it makes the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► phone look new and the bigness of it [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► like it's not you know humongous like [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► some of the Android phones but the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► bigness of it is compensated I think by [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► the thinness and it kind of makes the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► existing phone look squat and fat which [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► is usually what you want from new apple [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► Harbor you wanted to admit make the old [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► one look crappy so just seeing that you [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► know the mock-up they have of this [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► fantasy phone the data snot and it's not [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► a ridiculous fantasies only two [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► millimeters thinner right but they [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► didn't you know a 3d rendering program [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► and I'm assuming it's all to scale and [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► they made the screen taller but not [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► wider and it's a four inch diagonal [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► screen now right just looking at that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and then looking at you know my wife's [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► iPhone 4s sitting here already it starts [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► to look cool so I think a design like [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► that a larger phone that happens to be a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► little bit thinner would be visually [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► successful in making people feel that [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► their old phone is crappy and they need [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► a new phone and it doesn't look too [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► gargantuan and the other exciting thing [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► about this and I think one of the reason [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► a lot of people send it to me is that [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► they put a new dock connector at the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► bottom in this room or think - they made [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► it like a smaller dock connector with [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► fewer pins and it looks it looks very [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► similar to the speaker holes at the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► bottom of the iPhone 4s where it's a [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► kind of like a rounded rectangular or [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► pill shape I don't know that's likely at [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► all or you know there's no technical [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► details it could [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► be another fantasy but you know I don't [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like the existing dock connector so I [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► say thumbs up to that rumor I hope if [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► they have produced the phone exactly [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► like that rumored phone I would be [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► completely satisfied with it I think it [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► would be awesome so go for that Apple [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► true speaking of fantasy prototype [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► things here's one I tried to chase down [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the origin of this and I kind of went [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► around in circles and it's very [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► confusing to me because I don't [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► understand the internet apparently but [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► this is a YouTube video showing a new [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► prototype of a way to type on the iPad [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► did you see that video I did not I [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► tweeted it the other day I'll send it to [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► you now or is it not going to be in the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► show notes and isn't a show notes aw [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► that's right you can just look at the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► show yeah there you go [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► so do you see the iPad prototype thing I [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► was trying to say like who made this [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► prototype so when you go to the YouTube [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► video you can see it seems like it's the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► we turn off my speakers before this gets [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► noisy yeah you can see that it this [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► looks like the original like the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► original video or whatever but then at [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the bottom it says I just saw Daniel [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► Hooper's iPad keyboard demo what are you [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► are you aren't you Daniel Hooper that [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► the the YouTube user name is Daniel [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► chase Hooper like I can't figure out [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► that he make this why would he write in [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► his own description that he draws saw [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► his own it's confusing to me Biya [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► because he was trying to promote it and [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► hoping that people who link this up [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► Whittle that text copy and paste that I [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► guess like so he's writing it for you [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► you should follow me on Twitter kind of [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► thing like oh I can just copy and paste [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► this that's why yeah and I did I saw [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► this originally a Daniel Jacque had [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► tweeted it and he sent it from one of [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► those you know reblogging sites and [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► every blogging site had basically copied [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► and pasted the same thing there this [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► thing is urging everyone to file a bug [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► report as a duplicate of an existing [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► radar to say you should do this thing so [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► anyway uh have you been looking at this [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► video here yeah I had not seen this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► before and the text selection is what [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► jumps out at me is being pretty cool [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► yeah that's the the big pitch here is [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► that it's annoying to place the cursor [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► in iOS you know you got to put your [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► finger on the thing you got to hold it [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► down and the little magnifying glass [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► comes up and you swipe around and then [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► if you want to select you hold down the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► thing and the pop-up comes you would [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► select and then you move the little [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► lollipop things too so [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► stuff and this solution this video is [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that you can move the cursor I think you [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► believe you could do this on a web OS [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► where you can tell me couldn't you swipe [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► like in the little swipey area on webOS [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► to move the cursor left to right I don't [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► know I'm pretty sure you can do that in [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Palm OS with a stylus but yeah swipe in [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► the graffiti area to move the cursor so [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► here it is like that it was just for [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► backspace I don't think it was well [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► selecting right so this this is moving [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► the cursor byte by either holding down [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the modifier key on the keyboard and [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► sliding your finger across the keyboard [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► or doing double finger slide across the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► keyboard basically it allows you to move [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► the insertion point by making but by [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► making scrolling type gestures on the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► keyboard area as if it were a trackpad [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► and as if you know you were moving the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► cursor on a screen but it moves the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► insertion point when you do that and you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► can move it quickly and slowly if it's [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► moving you know basically changing the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► ståle scaling between how far you move [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► your finger and how far the insertion [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► point moves and obviously the guy doing [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► this demo is an expert at the system [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► he's created but it's impressive looking [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► and exciting to me because I am extreme [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► an extremely impatient computer user I [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► don't know if this is a class of people [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► who fall into this category but I've [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► been like this since I was a kid so I [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► remember get when I had my first Mac you [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► know the Mac 128k and everything which [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► granted was a dog slow machine but even [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► on the Mac plus in the SC 30 or whatever [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► the way I would use the computer is that [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► I would you know I would arrange my [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► finder just so and I would have [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► everything set up and when I wanted to [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► navigate into my games folder that I had [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► in some subfolder or whatever back back [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► in the day people who don't know this [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you could have brain you could have put [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► the folders on your Mac anywhere any way [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► you wanted the only one you couldn't [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► touch as a system folder but everything [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► else was you know fair game so I had [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► this little world I'd created on my [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► computer where the stuff was and I would [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► double click a folder and then it would [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► do that little rubber band animation and [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► you know draw the new window and by the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► time the new window drew I would have my [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► cursor poised over the spot where I knew [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the next icon I wanted to click was and [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► the same thing with dialog boxes well if [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► I went to you know save or something I [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► would have my cursor poised over the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► button that in the dialog box so that [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► when the dialog appeared I was exactly [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► over a notice hit click so from my [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► perspective I'm going through this [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► interminable wait like I've sent a [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► command that [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► I was going to produce a dialog box now [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► I'll bring the cursor over to where I [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► know the dialog box will appear so that [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► when it eventually appears the button I [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► want to press will be banila my cursor [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► now I wait tap-tap-tap seeing some [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► little animation [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► tap-tap-tap yes the 8 megahertz CPU or [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► whatever it was grinding away okay [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► rubber-banding it's drawing the window [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► it's drawing the titlebar drawing the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► buttons and click that's what using [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► computer was like to me as a kid I was [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► like I cannot believe how slow these [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► things are and when people like my uncle [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and my grandfather would come over and [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► asked me to show them something on the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► computer and they would say we can't see [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► anything there's it by the time any [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► window drew I had already dismissed it [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► because I don't clicked whatever button [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► I wanted to click in it so I was just [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like the computer spent most of its time [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► partially drawing windows and then I [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► would click as soon as I knew that the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► window could accept input even if it [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► hadn't completely drawn so this is and I [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► still feel this way and this comes up in [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► iOS because that wait when you press [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► your finger down to place an insertion [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► point feels like forever to me it feels [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► like oh my god what am i doing I guess [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► and my brain will start thinking about [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► something else now what am I gonna have [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► for dinner today I'm gonna you know when [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► am I going to pick the kids up on up [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► it's now I see it's it's put up the [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► little magnifying glass now I can move [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the insertion point so this type of [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► thing where there is no delay because it [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► doesn't have to distinguish between [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► tapping and tapping and holding I makes [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► me very excited but as I said on Twitter [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► when I tweeted this my fear is that [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Apple is not particularly gung-ho about [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► indirect input on the iPad like the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► whole deal with the iPad is you touch [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► where you want to do stuff which is why [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► when you want to place the insertion [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► point you jab your finger between the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► two letters where you want to push the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► insertion point and they don't really [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► care that you have to wait for a delay [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► because they're not most people are not [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► impatient computer users like I am but [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► this thing is like now your keyboard is [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► become a trackpad and it's indirect its [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► indirect input it's different than like [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► people saying oh they have the iOS [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► gestures and stuff they do but those are [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► kind of like Universal like pinch [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► together to go back to the home screen [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► doesn't really matter where you do that [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► it's not like you're doing it you know [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► you're not doing an action in one place [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and seeing a real-time reaction [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► someplace else as if like your finger [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► and the insertion point are like quantum [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► entangled but not touching each other [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► right so I don't think they would ever [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► make this like certainly not the default [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and if they even included it maybe would [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► be like an option like the iOS gestures [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► but I bet they would mostly say no this [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► kind of goes against the philosophy of [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► iOS where we want direct manipulation we [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► don't want you fiddling with one part of [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► the screen and and you know having stuff [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► happen it's kind of like the graffiti [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► area where you draw your little graffiti [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► characters in the graffiti area and then [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► the letters appear in the insertion [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► point now obviously the keyboard itself [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► is an indirect template advice you're [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► tapping the G key a G appears not where [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you tap your finger but that's more of a [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► oh we're modeling a real-world thing and [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► you're familiar with that already you [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► could say the same thing I was like well [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► it's just like a trackpad make make the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► keyboard suddenly appear to be a [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► trackpad and you can swipe the insertion [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► point around so I don't know I was just [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► very excited about this video and I [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► really hope Apple does something like [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► this and the music is neat in the [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► production value on the on the video or [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► need to so thanks daniel hooper if [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► that's your real name so here we go for [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► the super distant follow up well let's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► do it before you do that let's do our [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► first sponsor okay do you have a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► preference I know you've been listening [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► this week doing is there one you'd like [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► for me to do first I don't know what the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► two are I'm so behind on podcasts I just [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► I'm halfway through the talk show [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► alright we we have to since we've been [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► talking about typing on the iPad it [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► would make sense to start with one of [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► our first two and I get I guess we'll [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► just start with with tap typing as our [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► first one because here we are talking [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► about it this is a really really cool [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► app that it's a new sponsor and I really [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► really enjoying using this at myself [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► it's uh it is called tap typing and it's [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► a typing trainer for iOS so here's the [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► thing at touchscreens tablets these [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► things are here to stay right they're [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► not going away [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► if anything people are using more more [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► than computers but most people have [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► never learned how to effectively type on [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► their iPad they either fumble around [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► they get discouraged they have feel like [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► they have to go and you know like this [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► guy created a whole different kind of [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► keyboard it doesn't have to be that way [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► you don't have to feel frustrated every [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► time it's time for you to type something [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► on the keyboard and with just a few [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► lessons and that's what this tap typing [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► is all about you can drastically [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► increase your iPad typing [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► and therefore you will increase your [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► productivity you'll be able to grab your [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► iPad with supreme confidence knowing [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► that this is the only device that you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► need you don't need to worry about [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► bringing your laptop you won't need it [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► especially when I tell you about our [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► second sponsor program I'm going to head [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► myself because this is about increasing [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► your productivity they have lessons [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► ranging from beginner to advanced they [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► have a speed test does global rankings [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► so you can see how you compare with [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► everybody else out there and this is the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► part that's really cool it tracks where [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► your fingers hit the screen as you type [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and it creates a heat map of where [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► you're making mistakes so you know what [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► you're doing wrong the bottom line is [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► this you spend time learning how to type [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► and that is an investment in making [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► yourself more productive all you need to [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► do you go to get tap typing calm get tap [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► typing calm you can see the app you can [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► see everything about it you can go it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► will have links via to the store and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► everything else that's where you go get [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► tap typing calm very cool in the guy in [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the video taps route types really fast [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► and I've seen a lot of really fast [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► iOS typist I and Andy and nacho is [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► pretty fast yeah he's been using that a [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► lot as his 11 inch MacBook Air [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► replacement that's this way to get good [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► practice also Carnegie Hall so this [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► topic the distant follow-up that I [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► wasn't going to talk about it all but [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► massive Twitter and email pressure has [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► convinced me that it's worth doing and [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► lo and behold they giant spew of notes [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► appears on this topic [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► making makings the size of the fault in [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► the show probably untenable but but here [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► we go this is a ruby motion have you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► talked about this on other shows this [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► week already uh this is something that's [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► new enough and I think the only other [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► show I might have discussed it on would [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► have been built and analyzed but we did [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► not talk about it I'm not sure if it had [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► been announced yet but this is pretty [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► interesting I was actually looking at a [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► bit more this morning hoping hoping that [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► you would discuss it yeah so is the the [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► to get the story in this first of all I [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► would suggest the arts technical story [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► by Ryan Paul I which he interviews the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► person who created this and has lots of [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► detail and he actually includes the full [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► source code to a [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► sample application that he wrote using [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► tool because he's been in on the private [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► beta so this is this is the place to go [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► if you just want to know what this is [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► but don't want like the one paragraph [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► summary sorry's link is in the show [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► notes I know I will summarize the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► summary so Ruby motion is a commercial [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► product that lets you develop [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► applications for iOS it's currently on [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► sale for hundred fifty bucks but their [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► real price is 200 so that's the business [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► model they sell you this development of [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► iron trimming is a by Laurent sense and [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► Eddie I hope I'm pronouncing his is it [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► that's like is that a boy or girl's name [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► I know nothing about French I don't [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► sorry we don't either I'm going to [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► assume chat room you can help me out is [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► that a boy or girl's name should just [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► assume that it's male because as a [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► programmer is that sexist Laura [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► sounds like a a male name to me but I [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► don't know anything about French names [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► everyone says boy okay I feel better uh [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► he is the creator of Mac Ruby the Mac [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► Ruby project which had much love when in [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► our past episodes about developing on [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 and Apple's various frameworks [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► for doing so what were those episodes [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► that put them in the show it was episode [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► 14 Dark Age of objective-c and episode [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► 15 The Bridges of Syracuse County both [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► discussed the problems I saw in Apple's [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► future of its development platform using [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► Objective C which is a language based on [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► C which is low-level and gives you [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► direct access to memory and it's kind of [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► cumbersome to use and all that other [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► stuff so lots of people wrote in then [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► said what about Mac Ruby lets you write [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► cocoa applications then or iOS [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► applications in a in using Ruby and it [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► calls through the objective-c things [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► under the cover so we talked a lot about [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► bridges and stuff like that and a lot of [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► people said well you know we I was [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► saying I didn't know what Apple's future [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► for its development platform would be I [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► said well the guy who writes Mac Ruby [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► works for Apple and Apple is you know [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► sort of unofficially supporting that [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► project they thought because he was [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► working there and like they haven't said [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► anything about it but maybe this is [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► their secret thing that they're doing [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► this is the future of their platforms [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's going to be all Ruby Mason we're [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► going to come to WC one year they're [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► going to say okay well Objective C is [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► great and everything but [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► now we want you to check out Mac Ruby [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► and you're going to be writing your your [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► cocoa and and uikit applications in Ruby [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► instead calling through to the cocoa API [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► as you can still use Objective C if you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► want blah blah blah uh and I remember [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► saying that it could be technically [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► speaking there's nothing preventing [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► Apple from fully supporting this but I [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► seriously doubted that it would be [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► mostly because I heard nothing and from [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► Apple and saw nothing from Apple to [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► indicate that they were behind this as a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► solution and I heard and saw many things [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► to indicate that it was not behind us as [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► a solution even before last year's [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Debussy I was like if they're going to [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► do Mac Ruby you would think I would see [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► more hints in that direction and what I [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► saw was hints in the direction of things [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► like Arc and tweaking Objective C and [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► you know really sort of doubling down on [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► their that trying to make Objective C [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► better versus saying oh you're just [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► going to use Ruby for everything and so [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► far that's been the case arc was [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► introduced last WWC and they've been [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► enhancing Objective C an increasing pace [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and they've really committed to their [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► compiler infrastructure which granted [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► micro-b uses as well but they're adding [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► a lot of features to the Objective C [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► language and stuff so I didn't see them [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► using Mac Ruby now Mac Ruby was created [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► in 2007 and the person who created it [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Laurence ensign Eddy recently left his [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► job at Apple after seven years there to [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► start his own startup to do this thing [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► and what the Ryan polls and the articles [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that said his desire to continue working [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► on Mac Ruby there you go his I could [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► have just looked at in the article his [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► desire to continue working on Mac Ruby [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► was one of the factors that motivated [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► him to leave Apple want his own company [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► hmm that's pretty conclusive saying that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► he wanted to do Ruby he thought you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► could develop applications with Ruby for [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► iOS and Mac OS 10 Apple disagreed so he [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► left the company this is very similar to [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► the guy who was running what is it [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► called tens compliment for the for the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► ZFS port to Mac OS 10 he was working on [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► that internally Apple said no we're not [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► going to do ZFS for Mac OS 10 so he left [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► to start his own company to do ZFS for [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 so here's another example the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► same thing but I think this is pretty [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► much as confirmed as you can get that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► Mac Ruby is not going to be the future [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► of the development platform for Apple at [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► least as far as Apple is concerned right [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► now because he had to leave the company [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► to pursue what he wanted to do now lot [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► people have been asking me you know [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► isn't this much better than what you [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► talked about on this bridge episodes [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► well if you've listened to all those [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► episodes where I talked about the future [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► of their platform and bridges and stuff [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► I don't see how the announcement of Ruby [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► motion changes anything that I said [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► because it's basically I don't know if [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► it's exactly the Mac Ruby code but it's [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► it's very it's it's Mac Ruby with a nice [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► IDE and stuff like that and I don't [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► think it changes any of the fundamental [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► things that I talked about then other [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► than you know being more nicely packaged [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► implementation and commercially [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► supported and all the other stuff so [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► just I'll go over a few of them briefly [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► and you can go back and listen to those [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► shows - here's long drawn-out version [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► but I still think you don't get all the [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► benefits of your fancy new high level [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► language if you're using it to call into [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► an API design for a lower level language [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► and I went into more detail about in the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► shows but and to be fair to Mac Ruby it [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► is the best I've seen in terms of okay [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► so use your your cool high level [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► language to call into objective-c api's [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► I mean it does does the native bridging [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of types like you know your Ruby strings [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► or any strings in Ruby classes or your [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► Ruby objects or NS objects and it [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► bridges NS array and NS dictionary and [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► all that stuff to the native Ruby types [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► like it's a bet that's the best you can [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► hope for and the ID has some cool demos [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► of showing like hey since this is Ruby [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► you can when you start your app in the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► debug or whatever you can get a ripple [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► where you can just do real-time changes [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► to your application like you can put a [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► breakpoint stop and then inspect some [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► properties and fiddle them in your [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► running application now you can do that [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► in the fancier versions of gdb and LD be [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► but it's considerably easier to do that [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► in a high level language rep one by the [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► way the ARS technica article use the [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► word use the abbreviation repple capital [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► repl without linking it anywhere without [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► explaining it which is pretty brave if I [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► had written that article I would have [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► linked it somewhere so for people who [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► don't know what a repple is its length [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► in the show notes it's read eval print [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► loop it's basically you get an [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► interactive prompt in your program where [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you can manipulate any data in the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► current you know where you are on the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► current stack frame or whatever on the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► particular line of code and you can [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► fiddle with it and inspect it modify it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► and then continue your program that's [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► interactive debugging people who use the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► high-level languages like JavaScript or [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► Python or Perl or Ruby are used to this [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► is just the way we do development you [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► set your breakpoint you get up to that [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► point and [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► you see what the heck is going on what's [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► going to happen inspect your data maybe [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► change it see if you can continue you [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► know it's a nicer way to debug then if [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► you have a compiled language and you're [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► not familiar enough with the debugger to [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► be able to do the same things most again [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► most low-level languages do have some [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► sort of modify and continue debugger but [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► it's not kind of it's not something that [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► everybody uses those type of languages [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► use as whereas in the high-level [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► language is just taken for granted [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► that's something you have so I think Mac [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► Ruby is great there but regardless of [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► you know the regardless of the level of [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► your language even ignoring like high [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► level versus low level using one [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► language to call into an API written in [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► another language adds all sorts of [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► weirdness like and then example they [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► give me articles at the Cohen Convention [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► is just different it's not because ones [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► high level on the level but it's just [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► that just different in this regard it's [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► nice that Ruby and Objective C are [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► similar in so many ways which is what [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► makes the bridging better than other [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► kinds of bridges like for example from [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► like Java Objective C bridge was worse [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► because Java was more different than [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► Ruby is and stuff but just having two [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► different languages even if they're [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► exactly the same level when the calling [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► convention of different makes things [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► so Objective C has like the function [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► signatures where it's like set the thing [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► colon with the thing colon and the thing [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► colon and that's the whole signature but [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► you you put the arguments interspersed [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► in the middle those it looks like name [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► parameters but it's really not it's [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► really just a fancy way of calling [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► something someone in Ruby you got to do [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► like object dot set the thing with and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► then the thing comma the other thing [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► colon and then the other thing value it [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► it's kind of like weird and awkward [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► because it's just you know it looks [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► strange and you can't even like the same [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► string searches because the method [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► signatures include like the first [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► argument and then you have to make some [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► sort of decision about alright how do I [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► translate from the square bracket [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► expression of an objective-c message [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► send into my object dot something parens [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► version in Ruby and so they just choose [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► a way to do it but it just ends up being [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► weird and so you're using it you know [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► getting back to the high level versus [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► low level thing you're presumably you're [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► using Ruby because you like it better [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► than Objective C you know like it states [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► those people who love Ruby it's like Oh [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► beautiful and elegant and all it is [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► succinct [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► and but like that's why you're using it [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► but then here are all these ugly warts [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► like you would never write a ruby API to [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► look like the things that you have to [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► call because they're objective-c api's [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► it the beauty is partially lost because [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► most of what your program is doing is [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► calling through to an API written in [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► another language that you must call in [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► your Ruby code and it just looks weird [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► you just know it's not a native Ruby API [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► because no sane Ruby person would ever [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► make any bad it looks anything like this [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► it's just weird and the final point that [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► I made in all those episodes is that the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► hard part of making an iOS app or a Mac [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► app using cocoa or whatever is learning [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► the API as learning UI kit an app kit [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and foundation and all these things [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that's the hard part the hard part is [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► not the language and once you know the [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► API once you know enough to make an iOS [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► application or cocoa application or [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► something at that point is like why not [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► just use objective-c like how much of [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► your program how much of what you're [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► doing in your program is someplace where [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► you're like okay now this is just a [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► block of plain old Ruby and I'm just [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► going to do some simple string [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► manipulation that's so much easier to do [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► in Ruby and that's I think that's true [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► it is probably easy to do simple string [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► manipulation and stuff like that in Ruby [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► than it is an objective-c but the vast [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► majority of the time in your program [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you're calling into API is that you [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► didn't write and the hard part is [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► figuring out which one of those to call [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and how to call them and what sequence [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► and how to arrange your program and that [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► doesn't change with the language and so [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► like you're so close to just writing a [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► native objective-c that it's like you [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► know there's the confusion of having to [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► go through the bridge layer and [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► everything balanced with the supposed [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► benefits you're getting but once you [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► learn that API I know if I would did [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► this and did like a Mac Ruby application [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► and I got it working everything I'd be [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► like man now enough about know enough [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► about a UI kit that I could just write [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► this in Objective C and not have this [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► intermediary layer that I have to worry [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► about right and the other thing of [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► course is that objective-c is Apple [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► supported platform that they keep [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► improving it that you can use a full [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► Apple tool chain one of the points that [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► Ryan polemics and the article is that [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► Ruby motion does not use what used to be [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► known as interface builder and it's now [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► integrated into Xcode right you can't [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► lay out your you eyes using a GUI you [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► got to use it programmatically which is [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► something that not everyone is familiar [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► with it certainly has a higher learning [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► curve at the learner all the api's a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► pedal they stuff out and if you [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► visually oriented is not quite as nice [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► and there's a lot of design shops app [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► design shops where the person doing the [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► user interface has no connection to the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► code they're simply designed I I know [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► there are a lot of people that work in [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► this way maybe it's a team of two people [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► one writes code one does the user [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► interface usability part and then that [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► should bother people yeah and like [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► they're trying to help like Cincinnati [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► says that they have their own layout [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► system that they've developed that they [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► said Xcode integration is on the roadmap [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► but not the short-term roadmap so that's [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► out there and they're their own things [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► so it works this is kind of like CSS and [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► it's similar to the cocoa auto layout [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► which uses little ASCII art diagrams [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► except it's something that's done in [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► Ruby with a DSL type thing so it's more [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► Ruby flavored but it's a way to [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► programmatically layout controls it's [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► nicer than just having to make a bunch [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► of calls giving some sort of web evil [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► DSL a kind of way to do stuff but I [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► still think people like you know I again [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► like you said if there's if there's [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► designers doing it or something you're [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► not going to hey check out this cool DSL [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► or check out Auto layout with ASCII art [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► they're just going to roll their eyes [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► they they want to drag buttons onto a [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► form and connect not put lines into all [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► that stuff oh let's see what else do we [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► have on this what else you got no we're [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► not done with this topic since it [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► continues on and on so the thing about [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► being on the Apple training using [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► Apple's tool chain it's worth noting at [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► this point that not using Apple's tool [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► chain can be seen as a benefit to many [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► people because the latest version of [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► Xcode has a lot of detractors both in [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► terms of user interface but primarily in [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► terms of its bugginess and performance [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► so this is coming at just the right time [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► I think of people who are just annoyed [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► at the latest version of Xcode because [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► it's slow and it keeps crashing and [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► screws up their projects and stuff like [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that like mad they just want to get out [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► of that like I want to build navigation [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► want to get out of that unfortunately [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► those people who are complaining are [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► usually pretty hardcore iOS or Mac [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► developers who have a tremendous amount [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► of knowledge invested in objective-c in [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► that platform and I don't think they can [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► just slide right into Ruby cocoa but not [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► Ruby cocoa Mac Ruby or Ruby motion so [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► maybe they'll give it a try and play [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► with it and maybe it will get some [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► traction if ever there was [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► for it to land and have the best chance [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► of getting traction I think it's now [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► with the dissatisfaction of apples with [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► apples tools I think Apple will [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► eventually get its tools settled down [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► that the latest version of Xcode is a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► quite a change from the previous one and [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► it's been rocky for a while but [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► presumably like you would assume they [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► would eventually get it settled down a [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► lot of people are like alright let's [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► consider Xcode for a bad joke and WWC [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► they're going to Xcode 5 and it will [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► actually work so there's lots of [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► fantasies going on in that regard but [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the latest version of Xcode 4 is not [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► well loved so we'll see how they do [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► but the final point I have to make on [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► this is that Apple really really hates [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► it when people don't use its tools like [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► that's that's the elephant in the room [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► about all this they've really hate it [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► they do not want you developing [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► applications for that platform using any [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► tools other than their own they [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► seriously hate like the flash stuff [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► making you know making applications with [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► flash and porting them and I like all [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► those debates they just know you want to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► make applications our platform use our [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► tools to do it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► and then people camera at all these [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► workarounds right we'll use a different [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► tool but we'll produce objective-c code [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► and you won't be able to tell the [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► difference Apple and so far apples been [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► like ah well fine I mean it's [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► objective-c code and you're submitting [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► us binary that looks like it was built [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► with our tools and it looks like it was [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► written Objective C and we don't know [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that it was and like that's a constant [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► struggle but you just know Apple doesn't [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► like that because that what they don't [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► want is a code warrior situation where [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► the vast majority of their user base is [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► using an IDE that they don't control and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► all of a sudden the progress of their [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► platform is controlled by a third-party [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► company that they have no control over [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► right because like I think we made this [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► awesome new thing and like oh well I [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► can't even use that until code warrior [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► updates to support it all right they do [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► not want that to happen ever ever again [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► and it's just like an institutional [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► hatred of using any tools other than [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► their own they want complete ownership [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► of the tools they want you to use them [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► and if they can force you using they [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► will so that is the grim outlook for [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► anybody trying to make any sort of tool [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► that you use instead of Xcode to make [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► your applications even if you use their [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► full compiler tool chain you know [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► they're using LLVM and clang and like [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► that's that's what Ruby motion is using [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► it's totally native it's making its [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► making Objective C applications like you [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► don't have to know that it was written [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► in code [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and Ruby but I just know that Apple does [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► not like that so if one of these IDs [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► ever got traction it became insanely [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► popular look for a confrontation of some [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► kind or something coming to a head the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► best thing that could happen to remotion [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► ik is that it could be used by a few [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► really great developers and get popular [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► enough to be self-supporting [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► but still not be in widespread use [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► because that would keep it safe sort of [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► one of the point I had in us I have too [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► many things bolded here was that I think [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► Sansa matey's heart is in the right [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► place with this thing I quote from the [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► the ARS technica article does it has [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► some quotes from him right in it says an [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► iOS application written in Ruby will [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► contain significantly less lines of code [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► than a comparable app written in [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► objective-c like that's what you want [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► right that's why all these doodles you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► don't want to just like oh what looks [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► prettier because there's no funny square [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► brackets like that's not the goal [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► like that's maybe one of the goals but [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► that's not what you want it to be less [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► code that's what you want and I think [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► this delivers on that just if only [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► getting rid of like declaration [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► boilerplate and headers and the example [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► code in the in the article is only 100 [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► lines it's only hundred lines because [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► you can put it all on one file you just [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► do multiple class definitions and you [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► don't have to have like separate MS and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► dot H's and interface and property [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► declarations and synthesize calls and [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► it's just you know it's less noisy and [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► there's less boilerplate and so there is [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► a real benefit there I think but it's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► obviously not what Apple wants to go [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► with and if I was writing an application [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► for the Mac or iOS I would probably just [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► bite the bullet and learn and learn [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► objective-c because that feels like [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► still be safe bet to me that's why the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► advice I've always heard from every [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► developer that I've ever talked to is [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► you know bite the bullet learn Objective [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► C it's got the best support [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it's from Apple it's by Apple they're [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► always going to make sure that this [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► works unless they invent something new [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► but this is official why if you're going [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► to embrace the platform would you not [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► embrace the infrastructure that they've [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► provided for you otherwise because the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► infrastructure sucks and keeps crashing [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► in annoys me and I don't like the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► language as much as other stuff but but [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► again I truly think the hardest [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► these applications is that you have to [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► learn the API it's not learning the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► language Objective C takes you know an [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► experienced programmer a day to get the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► basics you know you're fine right it's [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► not the language it's the API and the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► API is a lot to learn no matter what [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► language you program it in so that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that's always been a sticking point to [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► me so that's the end of Ruby motion I [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► applaud the effort I think it looks [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► really cool and I hope they do not get [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► big enough to go into Apple's crosshairs [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► that was like a follow up but also kind [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► of a topic because it's so distant but [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► now back to the regular follow up I [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► really wanted to limit this to shows but [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► due to my own incompetence I have failed [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► to do so games games and gaming well [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► this is a big this is a big follow up [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► topic let's do our second sponsor [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► quickly and then we can get into games [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► okay are you can will will you allow I [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► will text astok this is something I [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► would think you like no didn't do you [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► have an iPad that you could use do you [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► have an iPad you could grab and have for [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► the afternoon it's sitting right in [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► front of me right now okay so I want you [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► to go and install and I think I have a [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► promo code for you if you want if you [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► don't already have this app text a stick [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► it's powerful and fast text editor for [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► iPad I love this app it's an advanced [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► code editor it has a rich support for [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► syntax highlighting it does Dropbox [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► integration it does WebDAV it does a FTP [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► and SFTP and it supports more than 80 [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► different types of files while you're [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► typing HTML objective-c Ruby Python and [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► if you don't if you like John siracusa [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► have invented your own superior [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► programming language you can use your [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► own text make compatible syntax [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► definitions just use your own thing it's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► written from the ground up uses a you [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► know native iOS API is like core text so [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► it has interactive search it has a very [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► fast quick very responsive text editor [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► that this whole thing is built around [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► it's got these great little additional [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► keys over the virtual keyboard to make [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► it really easy for you to enter code and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► it has an awesome little cursor [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► navigation wheel that makes selecting [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► text really easy so first use our first [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► sponsor to get up to speed so you can [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► type really fast then you get this [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and now you're like coding machine with [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► just your iPad you're a coding machine [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► and you can update right on the server [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► you got SFTP I mentioned that you got [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► Dropbox you get all of this stuff and it [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► even has code completion for HTML and [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► CSS and if you have an external keyboard [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► you can use that too it's really awesome [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► you go to text asta Capcom let me spell [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that text txt astok ast I see app text [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► as de Capcom and if there's developers [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► out then even if you're not a developer [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► you just want a really really great [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► editor with all these features just go [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► check it out text tastic they just see [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► that thing recently about some a guy or [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► a group of people created an entire game [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► on an iPad it was an iOS game they [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► created entirely on an iPad all the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► coding all the graphics all everything [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► pretty cool shows what you can do yeah [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► and said what I think when I thought of [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► when I saw that was like like hey look [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► at this we made we made a whole app on [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the iPad see is not just for consumption [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► blah blah it reminded me of kind of like [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► if someone had been bragging back in the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► early days of the personal computer or [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► our game consoles where you used to need [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► to have another bigger fancier computer [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► to make programs for the other computer [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► yeah like you you I can't think of a [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► good concrete example and so someone can [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► come up with one but like used you know [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► game consoles you'd have to use a [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► development thing that was way more [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► powerful than the game console itself to [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► write it like you don't write the game [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► on the game console and even for [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► personal computers like a lot of the [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► original Mac software was written on a [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► Lisa I believe someone can correct me if [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► I'm wrong on that because you needed the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► big computer or at least the computer [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► was already done to make the connect [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► software for the other computer but now [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► that seems silly it's like I'm a rogue [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► this Mac application on my Mac isn't [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► that amazing like no not really uh I [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► think in 10 years looking back in the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► stories like someone wrote an iPad [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► application on an iPad they'd be like so [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► so what that's exciting for what reason [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► we're in this weird in-between period [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► where we think you can't do we think you [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► can't create things for the thing on the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► thing all right [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► Gaming gaming gaming so again listening [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► to myself on the previous episode I [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► immediately struck with [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► the points that I totally miss a lot I'm [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► listening to mess I'm going wait you now [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► don't talk about that now you're missing [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the point here don't you sit in I'm [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► again I'm it it's frustrating to listen [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► to yourself and realize you're being an [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► idiot but there you have it so I'll [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► start with some smaller gaming fault and [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► then we'll get to the P one major point [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► any mess if you recall I last show I [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► repented for not having focused enough [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► on the distinction I was making that [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► games are a weird kind of art because [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► they have these qualities of the forms [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► of art Don I thought that on the [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► original show I had muddied the water by [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► bringing by talking about things that [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► are not arts to try to illuminate other [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► aspects of the analogy but it was a it [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► was a tangent that was dragging me off [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► course and so on this episode I have a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► point that I missed last time but let's [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► start with small follow-up first I have [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► something from someone who's I hate when [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► I go to someone's Twitter account and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► all I see is the Twitter name and they [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► don't have a real name listed because I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► don't know how to credit you so this one [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► is stic kan which I don't know how to [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► pronounce and if you had provided a real [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► name I would have given an effort but he [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► sent me a link to oh here's another name [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► Dara O'Brien but it's it's not O'Brien [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► like Oh a posture fee its Dara da RA and [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► then a space then a capital o and then a [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► space and then Bri a ayan anyway he's [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► Irish I think yeah that's an Irish name [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► for sure yes but no pottery so he's a [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► stand-up comedian he has a stent he has [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► a stand-up comedy skit about the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► difficulty of playing games very similar [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► to topic like you know he makes one line [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► it's not the point of his comedy routine [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► but one line is about it you know other [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► forms of art you aren't prevented from [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► enjoying because you are not skilled [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► enough and it's a good funny routine you [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► should watch it at the link is in the [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► show notes so I recommend that cage it [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► healing chat room says obreon obreon [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► well he would know so there you go and [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► what it reminded me of seeing the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► stand-up comic talking about video games [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► was that it packs this year someone in [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► audience asks question during one of the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► Q&A sessions of Mike and Jerry why don't [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► you guys have stand-up comedians at PAX [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► and what they said was that it's not [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► it's a lot of [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► people have proposed that but it's not [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► easy to find stand-up comedians who do [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► like video game relevant humour who [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► aren't like patronizing or like not [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► really one of us or or just aren't funny [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► you know what I mean [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► like you can't just say oh I'm a [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► stand-up comedian I do video game stuff [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► and you can you can tell when the person [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► doing the comedy either doesn't get the [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► culture isn't a real gamer and the [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► people who do get the culture and our [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► real gamers are often are not funny so [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► it's not easy it's not easy to find a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► stand-up community who's gonna do [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► because there it is possible to have [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► very funny skits about video games that [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► are relevant to gamers but it's rare so [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► I looked through this guy I'm like he [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► seems like a real gamer to me maybe kind [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► of like a in-between II casually kind of [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► you know like but and the questions like [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► whether he's funny now maybe they can't [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► get him maybe he's too big and wherever [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► he's from maybe there's don't feel like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► he's a good fit the show and I don't [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► know if he is but when I saw this that I [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► thought of that like it is difficult to [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► find people doing humor about narrow [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► interest subjects that are acceptable to [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the people who are into that but who are [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► also broadly funny the next one is from [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► ash furrow and he I'm something that's [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► he again like many other people are [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► following my advice and when they have a [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► whole bunch of stuff to say about some [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► show write a blog post I will link to it [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► in the show notes it's better than [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► sending me the big giant email that only [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► I see and then I have to summarize for [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► everybody else all right [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► okay Julie says Dara was a physics major [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► in college and he's a big science nerd [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► yes but doesn't mean he's a gamer [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► doesn't mean he is more connection to [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► the nerd so anyway ash furro furro wrote [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► a blog post that was titled the joys and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► sorrows of being an almost gamer and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► that's in the show notes and he [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► complains about he says that he really [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► understood what I was talking about when [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► I said that some people play games and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► don't have the skills to complete them [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► and can be frustrating like games such [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► as Zelda to have a soft ramp up to get [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► you familiar with mechanics but then [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► eventually the game gets too hard and [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► you have to stop and he said he has [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► experiences this and it kind of sucks [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► and it's why he stopped playing video [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► games he says he says I've played 2/3 of [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the way through so many game I've almost [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► finished it doesn't Zelda games that's [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► rough right he says he was getting at [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► the portal which is first-person shooter [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► he's it [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► came to the section that introduces [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► turrets I literally panicked I put down [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► the game and didn't touch it for a month [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► because suddenly had it become a [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► first-person shooter and I hated it [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► because he's not particularly good at [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► first-person shooters and doesn't like [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► this kind of games but was encouraged to [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► play portal because he said it was like [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► a puzzle game but eventually there's [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► some first-person Ori stuff import [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► first-person kind of stuff in portal [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► where you have to be kind of good at [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► controlling the character and that makes [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► it frustrating so he says he has played [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► a whole bunch of games like Mario games [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► and Smash Brothers and joy port on [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► portal 2 but never enjoyed playing Halo [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► or called duty and he says that he [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► thinks marginal improvements in gamers [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► killed the high level the spectrum can [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► result in massive improvements in the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► joy experience while playing so if he [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► was a little better shooters he'd enjoy [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► them more I would say about this person [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► that he's mostly a gamer like he's not [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► really the people I was talking about [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► the fact that he's gotten as far as he [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► has shows that he has much more [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► competence in gaming than the vast [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► majority of the public I think he could [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► play enjoy and get through completely [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► like a game like eco and and journey [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► very easily shall the classes probably [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► still beyond his reach because they does [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► get hard drugs in and not finishing [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► Zelda games is really rough because like [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► especially if you like two-thirds of the [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► way through you want to see the ending [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you want to see the conclusion of the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► story you want to have satisfaction for [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► the work you've done and if you just [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► can't get there that's that's rough so I [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► encourage everyone to go read that [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► because it is much more interesting than [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► my brief summary of it and speaking of [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► finishing games Bruce Phillips wrote in [TS]