00:00:02 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► about by my co-host John siracusa I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► Dan Benjamin this is episode number 66 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/16">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► I want to say thanks very much to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► Squarespace and text astok tell you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► about them as the show goes on we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► to also say thanks to a friend of 5x5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► Raphael who does all of the amazing show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/40">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► artwork that you see on 5x5 he did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► logo among other things well he has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/46">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► awesome icon set called symbolic cons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/47">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► providing and subsidizing our bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► for this month so go check out symbolic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► cons com thanks very much to him for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► John greeting sir how are you I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► back to programming yeah why not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/68">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► might be Perl it up right that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/74">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► was doing all right you want do show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/82">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► sure why not how are you doing fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► feels like a long time since we've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► a show I had just been a week seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► a lot longer just a week got another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► of those shows today what does that mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► shows that they're just saturated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► follow up oh oh that's that's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► favorite kind of show though no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► kind of getting becoming a mix now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► because a lot of the follow up things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► like what if you're following up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► something that's from like last year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► that still follow up are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► if you've ever mentioned it before then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► by definition is follow yeah I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/119">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► long graph it seems like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/122">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► eventually is follow up right yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/123">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► no that makes sense in the long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► we're all dead Dan all right on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► let's start alright there were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► small ones fall up a Pattaya michael de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► gusta wrote in to say that in all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► listening on 5x5 about WWC stuff across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► different people talked about it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► didn't hear anyone mentioned the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► pronouncing the on sale date and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► now I listen to a lot of these shows to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► mentioned by someone but I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/159">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► wasn't mentioned by me so in that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► now the idea is that if these tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► are going to sell out the least Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► can do is announce like okay in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► weeks the tickets are going to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/172">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► sale at 8 a.m. Eastern Time whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► that people around the world can decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► then to stay up late or whatever instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/177">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► of sleeping in their beds with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► cell phones next to their head hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► they're going to be notified by some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/182">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► sort of alert system just simply pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► announce the date and that would give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► more fair shot to everybody who wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► immediately I'm not sure why they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► do that other than apples usual policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► of never pre announcing anything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► tell you when they're available and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/198">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► they're available and I'm also not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► for our how much how much happier that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► would make everybody involved I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► know I guess it would make the people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/208">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► the other side of the world happier but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/209">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► would they really be happy if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► stayed up until 3 a.m. and still didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► get tickets so there's that downside as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► well but it's it's worth mentioning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► idea of pre announcing the on sale time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► even though that's definitely not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/221">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► Apple style thing to do we'll see next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► year if they consider that maurice kelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/224">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► has a little bit of follow up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► we're talking about things for sale in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► the ios app store that can only list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► features they want but not based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► actual model of a phone or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/242">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► there was an example of a game that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► ran on the 3GS but there was no way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► the developer to specify that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► you can only specify the features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► subsequently saying well if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► front-facing camera that would eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► for example the ipad one from contention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► even if you're you know you don't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/263">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► that is a requirement then you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► eliminate the iPad one from the in from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► the requirement sidebar then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► else wrote in and I think I agreed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► the idea that Apple might frown upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► that practice of you know saying okay my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► game doesn't really need a front-facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/281">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► camera but I'm going to listed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/282">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► requirements anyway just to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/283">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► result I want on the website because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► don't want people being confused by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► requirements that make it seem like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► can run this on your iPhone 3G or on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/291">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► your iPad one over time when you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and so Maurice Kelly points out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► Apple itself uh he was does this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► iPhoto he was prohibited from buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► front-facing camera now I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► I thought we uses the front-facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► camera I can you take a picture from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► within iPhoto it seems like you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/311">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► can't you can take it from the Photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► app I guess but if Apple itself is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► beyond doing this that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► developers are free to do it as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► I guess is something developers can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► experiment with if you want to waste two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► submit your game with the requirement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/325">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► says you need a front-facing camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► see if the person who looks at it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► actually use the camera please send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► back with different requirements I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► experiment it was last show when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/337">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► complaining about the new Gmail UI I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► mentioned the contacts were hidden away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► inside Gmail and that there wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► separate context at google.com via [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► emmerich writes in to tell me that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/354">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► are there is a contact google.com and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/355">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► uses it all the time and it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► around forever but I've never actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/361">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► looking for your contacts and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/364">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► find them in Gmail just go to context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► google comm and you will find it's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► family friends family acquaintances and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► circles and then there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► called most contacted other contacts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► you or your Google contacts a mess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► don't pay any attention to them I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► never use this stuff mine RMS like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► managing my contacts in the address book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► but my Google contacts are just a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► hairy mess and I cannot figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and it bothers me a lot because I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► - you know the original complaint was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► Google context it's like Oh every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► email somebody it adds in to my contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► list so Google said okay we can fix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/406">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► while I add an option that says please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► don't add people to my context when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/410">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► email them but that's not the solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► like because then they don't appear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► your autocomplete history or what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► want to have is don't add every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► contact the email to my address book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► do add them to the autocomplete list in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► case I want to email them to the N again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/423">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and I actually haven't tried turning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► off because I do want the autocomplete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/427">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► the work I just basically ignore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/428">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► contacts but it bothers me when I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► into my contacts and I see it just a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/431">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► mess with like a million duplicates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► just knowing knowing it's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► bothers you well here's the here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/436">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► practical effect of it somehow I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► looking like my my a diem or a diem as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► the developers say buddy list and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► see a window with a bunch of chat from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► somebody and I'll have the wrong name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► next to them it'll say like Bob Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► but I will see a bunch of chat from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► somebody who I know is not Bob Smith and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► I'll say what back is going on so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/456">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► right click on them in the Buddy list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► and see what the deal is and I will find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► that there's an ADM contact that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/461">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► addresses and IIM names under it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► some random alias you know it says Bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► contact have all these people's Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► and gtalk and aim addresses them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► then it says Bob Smith this is these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► like 17 different people and then I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► go to my Google contacts listen I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► find sure enough I found a contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/485">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► called Bob Smith that has a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► email addresses attached to it and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► whole bunch of AI AM addresses attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/490">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► to it I don't know how that thing came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/491">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► to be and why it has all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► attached to it you know like literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► fifty to a hundred email addresses Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► addresses gtalk things and and names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► attached under some random name so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► deleted I clean it all out and I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/505">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► about it and then it comes back I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► always afraid that I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/508">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► talking to someone no I think oh I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► talking to someone entirely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/511">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► you know I got to keep right-clicking my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► contacts to make sure I know who they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► are so Google contacts angers me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► haven't quite figured we didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/519">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► that sidebar there all right that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/524">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► here's an email from Jason Gregory who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► name which is spelled G re G Ori is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► pronounced like the first name Gregory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► but not like Grigory which is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► how I was going to pronounce that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► says some reason everyone wants to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► big emphasis on a second G so I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► to do I don't know why I see GRE GRE I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► want to say Grigory but no it's Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► appreciation guy he says that when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► talking about WOD C and how you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► talk to Apple developers and stuff he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► says he went to WC last year for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► first time and didn't really get to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► that he says I'm kind of shy and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► well-known personality like you guys I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► going again this year I was wondering if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► you'd give me some advice on about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► talking to Apple developers so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► two parts of that the first thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► what I was talking about when I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► developers want to go to WABC to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► to the Apple engineers you can make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► appointment to see an Apple engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► about a specific topic where you sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► down in the lab with them and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► your source code and ask them your a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► specific question so like nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► with social anything is let they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► actual I don't know how hard it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► get those appointments maybe it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► there it's difficult to get them but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► bet during the course of the week you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► will be able to get a slot with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► appointment with the person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► with a with a particular person that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► want to talk to maybe you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► them by name but you just say hey I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/604">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► someone to help me with core data I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► which by the way in the previous show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► thought I was saying core data the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/608">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► entire time and apparently I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► core foundation which is also a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► but it was not what I meant to say mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/613">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► and brain that connected so so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► the first thing you can actually make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► appointments in the labs and you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► get to talk to an Apple engineer just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► you one-on-one by appointment no social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► anything necessary now the second thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► is I'm totally the wrong person to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► to about how to socially find Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► because I don't know most of their names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► and I'm just lucky enough that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► them might happen to know my name and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► get to talk to them so that is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► are not a social butterfly and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► know how to navigate that world and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► friends with people and stuff it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► difficult to find the people you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/647">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► talk to in in a sort of organic social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► setting because before and after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/652">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► give their that they give their talks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► mean usually after someone gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/657">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► session you can kind of hang around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► talk to them for a few minutes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/660">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► really like the room is going to be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► for another session and they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/662">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► somewhere to be and it's not is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► advice to give you to try to find people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► outside of a structured environment so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► would say make an appointment in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/672">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► labs try to hang out afterwards to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/673">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► to someone you're interested in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/676">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► maybe just say like hey can is there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► time you can talk with me later if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► just gave a talk about something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► have more questions - or maybe they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► direct you to someone else at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► every session they also have a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► that says if you have any questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/686">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► email such-and-such a person who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► usually not the person who gave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► representative of this group or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► so write down those email addresses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► make contacts and maybe I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► other thing I suggest is start following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► Apple employees and Apple developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► people indirectly related to them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/702">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► Twitter and start communicating with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► them that way in a nice and respectful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► constructive manner and maybe they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/707">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► constructiveness and interest and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► can form some kind of relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► them 140 characters at a time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► maybe say hey I'm going to wotc will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► be there blah blah blah that's one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► you might be able to get to know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/722">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► if you are also very shy and don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► how to do it because that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► great things about Twitter I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/727">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► that it's one it's a medium where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► can end up having person-to-person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► contact with people you would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► otherwise have contact with like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► never going to answer your email there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► your emails them probably goes to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► celebrities or whatever but on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► random day some celebrities are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► needy people and they will say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/746">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► I'm up late at night and I'm a famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► celebrity ask me anything and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/750">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► answer your questions and it's 3m where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► they are and it's a normal time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► you are and you tweet them something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► they tweet you back and you just had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► 140 character exchange with a famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► person who you would never have contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/762">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► with otherwise that's not so useful for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► celebrities but for Apple engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/767">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► again you're never allowed you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► person even worked at Apple or or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► they wore whatever but you can find them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► through social networks on Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► characters not a big commitment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► again they were probably never answer an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/779">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► email if you emailed them directly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/780">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► technical services or whatever but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Twitter they might send you a reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/786">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► about something so give that a try but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► will reiterate asking me for advice on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► social things it's probably not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/793">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► so I lounge has a one of those typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/799">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► rumor stories that we start to see about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/803">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► like what is the next iPhone going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► particularly credence to it remember all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► the wedge rumors last year and we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► all these liquid metal rumors going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► around so we this is the season of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► possible rumor about the phone you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► imagine I linked to in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/819">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► though because I thought it was a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► sort of summation of the rumors that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► we've talked about elsewhere if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► to combine them all together and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► what could this kind of look like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► did some nice pictures of it so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/831">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► you know taller screen as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/838">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► but also thinner and they put a metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► back on the phone instead of a glass one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► and they made you know the glass to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► store more stuff like us but the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► took away from their little mock-ups was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/850">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► that if you make the iPhone a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► bigger but you get some thinness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► return for that it does it makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► phone look new and the bigness of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► like it's not you know humongous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► some of the Android phones but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/864">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► bigness of it is compensated I think by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► the thinness and it kind of makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/868">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► existing phone look squat and fat which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► is usually what you want from new apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► Harbor you wanted to admit make the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/874">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► one look crappy so just seeing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► know the mock-up they have of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► fantasy phone the data snot and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► millimeters thinner right but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/883">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► didn't you know a 3d rendering program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/884">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► and I'm assuming it's all to scale and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/886">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► they made the screen taller but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► wider and it's a four inch diagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► screen now right just looking at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► and then looking at you know my wife's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► iPhone 4s sitting here already it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► to look cool so I think a design like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► that a larger phone that happens to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► little bit thinner would be visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► successful in making people feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► their old phone is crappy and they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► a new phone and it doesn't look too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/909">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► gargantuan and the other exciting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► about this and I think one of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► a lot of people send it to me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► they put a new dock connector at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/914">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► bottom in this room or think - they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► it like a smaller dock connector with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/917">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► fewer pins and it looks it looks very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► similar to the speaker holes at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► bottom of the iPhone 4s where it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► kind of like a rounded rectangular or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► pill shape I don't know that's likely at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► all or you know there's no technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► be another fantasy but you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► like the existing dock connector so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/934">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► say thumbs up to that rumor I hope if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► they have produced the phone exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/938">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► like that rumored phone I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► completely satisfied with it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/941">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► would be awesome so go for that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► true speaking of fantasy prototype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/947">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► things here's one I tried to chase down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► the origin of this and I kind of went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► understand the internet apparently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► this is a YouTube video showing a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► prototype of a way to type on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► did you see that video I did not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► tweeted it the other day I'll send it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► you now or is it not going to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► show notes and isn't a show notes aw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► that's right you can just look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► so do you see the iPad prototype thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► was trying to say like who made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► prototype so when you go to the YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► video you can see it seems like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► we turn off my speakers before this gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► noisy yeah you can see that it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/986">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► original video or whatever but then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► the bottom it says I just saw Daniel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Hooper's iPad keyboard demo what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► are you aren't you Daniel Hooper that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► the the YouTube user name is Daniel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/999">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► chase Hooper like I can't figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► that he make this why would he write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► his own description that he draws saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► his own it's confusing to me Biya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► because he was trying to promote it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► hoping that people who link this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► Whittle that text copy and paste that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► guess like so he's writing it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► you should follow me on Twitter kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► thing like oh I can just copy and paste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► this that's why yeah and I did I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► this originally a Daniel Jacque had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► tweeted it and he sent it from one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► those you know reblogging sites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► every blogging site had basically copied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► and pasted the same thing there this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► thing is urging everyone to file a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► report as a duplicate of an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► radar to say you should do this thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► anyway uh have you been looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► video here yeah I had not seen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► before and the text selection is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► jumps out at me is being pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► yeah that's the the big pitch here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► that it's annoying to place the cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► in iOS you know you got to put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► finger on the thing you got to hold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► down and the little magnifying glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► comes up and you swipe around and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► if you want to select you hold down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► thing and the pop-up comes you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► select and then you move the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► stuff and this solution this video is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► that you can move the cursor I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► believe you could do this on a web OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► where you can tell me couldn't you swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► like in the little swipey area on webOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► to move the cursor left to right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► know I'm pretty sure you can do that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► Palm OS with a stylus but yeah swipe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► the graffiti area to move the cursor so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► here it is like that it was just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► backspace I don't think it was well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► selecting right so this this is moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► the cursor byte by either holding down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► the modifier key on the keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► sliding your finger across the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► or doing double finger slide across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► keyboard basically it allows you to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► the insertion point by making but by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► making scrolling type gestures on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► keyboard area as if it were a trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► and as if you know you were moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► cursor on a screen but it moves the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► insertion point when you do that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► can move it quickly and slowly if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► moving you know basically changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► stÃ¥le scaling between how far you move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► your finger and how far the insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► point moves and obviously the guy doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► this demo is an expert at the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► he's created but it's impressive looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and exciting to me because I am extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► an extremely impatient computer user I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► don't know if this is a class of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► who fall into this category but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► been like this since I was a kid so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► remember get when I had my first Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► know the Mac 128k and everything which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► granted was a dog slow machine but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► on the Mac plus in the SC 30 or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► the way I would use the computer is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► I would you know I would arrange my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► everything set up and when I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► navigate into my games folder that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► in some subfolder or whatever back back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► in the day people who don't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► you could have brain you could have put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► the folders on your Mac anywhere any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► you wanted the only one you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► touch as a system folder but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► else was you know fair game so I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► this little world I'd created on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► computer where the stuff was and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► double click a folder and then it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► do that little rubber band animation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► you know draw the new window and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► time the new window drew I would have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► cursor poised over the spot where I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► the next icon I wanted to click was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► the same thing with dialog boxes well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► I went to you know save or something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► would have my cursor poised over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► button that in the dialog box so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► when the dialog appeared I was exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► over a notice hit click so from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► perspective I'm going through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► interminable wait like I've sent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I was going to produce a dialog box now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► I'll bring the cursor over to where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► know the dialog box will appear so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► when it eventually appears the button I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► want to press will be banila my cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► now I wait tap-tap-tap seeing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► tap-tap-tap yes the 8 megahertz CPU or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► whatever it was grinding away okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► rubber-banding it's drawing the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► it's drawing the titlebar drawing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► buttons and click that's what using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► computer was like to me as a kid I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► like I cannot believe how slow these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► things are and when people like my uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► and my grandfather would come over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► asked me to show them something on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► computer and they would say we can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► anything there's it by the time any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► window drew I had already dismissed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► because I don't clicked whatever button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► I wanted to click in it so I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► like the computer spent most of its time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► partially drawing windows and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► would click as soon as I knew that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► window could accept input even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► hadn't completely drawn so this is and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► still feel this way and this comes up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► iOS because that wait when you press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► your finger down to place an insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► point feels like forever to me it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► like oh my god what am i doing I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► and my brain will start thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► something else now what am I gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► for dinner today I'm gonna you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► am I going to pick the kids up on up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► it's now I see it's it's put up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► little magnifying glass now I can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► the insertion point so this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► thing where there is no delay because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► doesn't have to distinguish between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► tapping and tapping and holding I makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► me very excited but as I said on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► when I tweeted this my fear is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► Apple is not particularly gung-ho about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► indirect input on the iPad like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► whole deal with the iPad is you touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► where you want to do stuff which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► when you want to place the insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► point you jab your finger between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► two letters where you want to push the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► insertion point and they don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► care that you have to wait for a delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► because they're not most people are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► impatient computer users like I am but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► this thing is like now your keyboard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► become a trackpad and it's indirect its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► indirect input it's different than like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► people saying oh they have the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► gestures and stuff they do but those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► kind of like Universal like pinch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► together to go back to the home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► doesn't really matter where you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► it's not like you're doing it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► you're not doing an action in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► someplace else as if like your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and the insertion point are like quantum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► entangled but not touching each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► right so I don't think they would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► make this like certainly not the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► and if they even included it maybe would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► be like an option like the iOS gestures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► but I bet they would mostly say no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► kind of goes against the philosophy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► iOS where we want direct manipulation we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► don't want you fiddling with one part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► the screen and and you know having stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► happen it's kind of like the graffiti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► area where you draw your little graffiti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► characters in the graffiti area and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► the letters appear in the insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► point now obviously the keyboard itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► is an indirect template advice you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► tapping the G key a G appears not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► you tap your finger but that's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► oh we're modeling a real-world thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► you're familiar with that already you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► could say the same thing I was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► it's just like a trackpad make make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► trackpad and you can swipe the insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► point around so I don't know I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► very excited about this video and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► really hope Apple does something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► this and the music is neat in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► production value on the on the video or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► need to so thanks daniel hooper if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► that's your real name so here we go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► the super distant follow up well let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► do it before you do that let's do our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► preference I know you've been listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► this week doing is there one you'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► for me to do first I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► two are I'm so behind on podcasts I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► I'm halfway through the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► alright we we have to since we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► talking about typing on the iPad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► would make sense to start with one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► our first two and I get I guess we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► just start with with tap typing as our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► first one because here we are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► about it this is a really really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► app that it's a new sponsor and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► really enjoying using this at myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► it's uh it is called tap typing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► a typing trainer for iOS so here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► thing at touchscreens tablets these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► things are here to stay right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► if anything people are using more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► than computers but most people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► never learned how to effectively type on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► their iPad they either fumble around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► they get discouraged they have feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► they have to go and you know like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► guy created a whole different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► keyboard it doesn't have to be that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► you don't have to feel frustrated every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► time it's time for you to type something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► on the keyboard and with just a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► lessons and that's what this tap typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► and therefore you will increase your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► productivity you'll be able to grab your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► iPad with supreme confidence knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► that this is the only device that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► need you don't need to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► bringing your laptop you won't need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► especially when I tell you about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► second sponsor program I'm going to head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► myself because this is about increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► your productivity they have lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► ranging from beginner to advanced they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► have a speed test does global rankings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► so you can see how you compare with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► everybody else out there and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► part that's really cool it tracks where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► your fingers hit the screen as you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► and it creates a heat map of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► you're making mistakes so you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► you're doing wrong the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► this you spend time learning how to type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► and that is an investment in making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► yourself more productive all you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► do you go to get tap typing calm get tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► typing calm you can see the app you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► see everything about it you can go it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► will have links via to the store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► everything else that's where you go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► tap typing calm very cool in the guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► the video taps route types really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► and I've seen a lot of really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► iOS typist I and Andy and nacho is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► pretty fast yeah he's been using that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► replacement that's this way to get good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► practice also Carnegie Hall so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► topic the distant follow-up that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► wasn't going to talk about it all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► massive Twitter and email pressure has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► convinced me that it's worth doing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► lo and behold they giant spew of notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► making makings the size of the fault in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► the show probably untenable but but here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► we go this is a ruby motion have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► talked about this on other shows this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► week already uh this is something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► new enough and I think the only other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► show I might have discussed it on would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► have been built and analyzed but we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► not talk about it I'm not sure if it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► been announced yet but this is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► interesting I was actually looking at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► bit more this morning hoping hoping that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► you would discuss it yeah so is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► to get the story in this first of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► would suggest the arts technical story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► by Ryan Paul I which he interviews the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► person who created this and has lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► detail and he actually includes the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► sample application that he wrote using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► tool because he's been in on the private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► beta so this is this is the place to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► if you just want to know what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► but don't want like the one paragraph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► summary sorry's link is in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► notes I know I will summarize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► summary so Ruby motion is a commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► applications for iOS it's currently on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► sale for hundred fifty bucks but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► real price is 200 so that's the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► model they sell you this development of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► iron trimming is a by Laurent sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► Eddie I hope I'm pronouncing his is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► that's like is that a boy or girl's name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► I know nothing about French I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► sorry we don't either I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► assume chat room you can help me out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► that a boy or girl's name should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► assume that it's male because as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► sounds like a a male name to me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► don't know anything about French names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► everyone says boy okay I feel better uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► he is the creator of Mac Ruby the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Ruby project which had much love when in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► our past episodes about developing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and Apple's various frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► for doing so what were those episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► that put them in the show it was episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► 14 Dark Age of objective-c and episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► 15 The Bridges of Syracuse County both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► discussed the problems I saw in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► future of its development platform using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Objective C which is a language based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► C which is low-level and gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► direct access to memory and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► cumbersome to use and all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► stuff so lots of people wrote in then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► said what about Mac Ruby lets you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► applications in a in using Ruby and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► calls through the objective-c things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► under the cover so we talked a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► bridges and stuff like that and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► people said well you know we I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► saying I didn't know what Apple's future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► for its development platform would be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► said well the guy who writes Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► works for Apple and Apple is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► sort of unofficially supporting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► project they thought because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► working there and like they haven't said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► anything about it but maybe this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► their secret thing that they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► this is the future of their platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► it's going to be all Ruby Mason we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► going to come to WC one year they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► going to say okay well Objective C is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► now we want you to check out Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and you're going to be writing your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► cocoa and and uikit applications in Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► instead calling through to the cocoa API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► as you can still use Objective C if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► want blah blah blah uh and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► saying that it could be technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► speaking there's nothing preventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Apple from fully supporting this but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► seriously doubted that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► mostly because I heard nothing and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► Apple and saw nothing from Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► indicate that they were behind this as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► solution and I heard and saw many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► to indicate that it was not behind us as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► a solution even before last year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► Debussy I was like if they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► do Mac Ruby you would think I would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► more hints in that direction and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► saw was hints in the direction of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► like Arc and tweaking Objective C and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► you know really sort of doubling down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► their that trying to make Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► better versus saying oh you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► going to use Ruby for everything and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► introduced last WWC and they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► enhancing Objective C an increasing pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► and they've really committed to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► compiler infrastructure which granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► micro-b uses as well but they're adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► a lot of features to the Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► language and stuff so I didn't see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► using Mac Ruby now Mac Ruby was created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► in 2007 and the person who created it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► Laurence ensign Eddy recently left his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► job at Apple after seven years there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► start his own startup to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► and what the Ryan polls and the articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► that said his desire to continue working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► on Mac Ruby there you go his I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► have just looked at in the article his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► desire to continue working on Mac Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► was one of the factors that motivated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► him to leave Apple want his own company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► hmm that's pretty conclusive saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► he wanted to do Ruby he thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► could develop applications with Ruby for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► iOS and Mac OS 10 Apple disagreed so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► left the company this is very similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► the guy who was running what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► called tens compliment for the for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► ZFS port to Mac OS 10 he was working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► that internally Apple said no we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► going to do ZFS for Mac OS 10 so he left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► to start his own company to do ZFS for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 so here's another example the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► same thing but I think this is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► much as confirmed as you can get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► Mac Ruby is not going to be the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► of the development platform for Apple at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► least as far as Apple is concerned right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► now because he had to leave the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► to pursue what he wanted to do now lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► people have been asking me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► isn't this much better than what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► talked about on this bridge episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► well if you've listened to all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► episodes where I talked about the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► of their platform and bridges and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► I don't see how the announcement of Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► motion changes anything that I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► because it's basically I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► it's exactly the Mac Ruby code but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► it's very it's it's Mac Ruby with a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► IDE and stuff like that and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► think it changes any of the fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► things that I talked about then other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► than you know being more nicely packaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► supported and all the other stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► just I'll go over a few of them briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► and you can go back and listen to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► shows - here's long drawn-out version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► but I still think you don't get all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► benefits of your fancy new high level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► language if you're using it to call into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► an API design for a lower level language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► and I went into more detail about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► shows but and to be fair to Mac Ruby it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► is the best I've seen in terms of okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► language to call into objective-c api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► I mean it does does the native bridging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► of types like you know your Ruby strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► or any strings in Ruby classes or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► Ruby objects or NS objects and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► bridges NS array and NS dictionary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► all that stuff to the native Ruby types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► like it's a bet that's the best you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► hope for and the ID has some cool demos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► of showing like hey since this is Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► you can when you start your app in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► debug or whatever you can get a ripple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► where you can just do real-time changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► to your application like you can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► breakpoint stop and then inspect some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► properties and fiddle them in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► running application now you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► in the fancier versions of gdb and LD be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► but it's considerably easier to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► in a high level language rep one by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► way the ARS technica article use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► word use the abbreviation repple capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► repl without linking it anywhere without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► explaining it which is pretty brave if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► had written that article I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► linked it somewhere so for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► don't know what a repple is its length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► in the show notes it's read eval print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► interactive prompt in your program where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► you can manipulate any data in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► current you know where you are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► current stack frame or whatever on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► particular line of code and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► fiddle with it and inspect it modify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► and then continue your program that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► interactive debugging people who use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► high-level languages like JavaScript or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► Python or Perl or Ruby are used to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► is just the way we do development you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► set your breakpoint you get up to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► you see what the heck is going on what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► going to happen inspect your data maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► change it see if you can continue you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► know it's a nicer way to debug then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► you have a compiled language and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► not familiar enough with the debugger to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► be able to do the same things most again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► most low-level languages do have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► sort of modify and continue debugger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► it's not kind of it's not something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► everybody uses those type of languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► language is just taken for granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► that's something you have so I think Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► Ruby is great there but regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► you know the regardless of the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► your language even ignoring like high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► language to call into an API written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► another language adds all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► weirdness like and then example they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► give me articles at the Cohen Convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► is just different it's not because ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► high level on the level but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► that just different in this regard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► nice that Ruby and Objective C are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► similar in so many ways which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► makes the bridging better than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► kinds of bridges like for example from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► like Java Objective C bridge was worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► because Java was more different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► Ruby is and stuff but just having two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► different languages even if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► exactly the same level when the calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► convention of different makes things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► so Objective C has like the function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► signatures where it's like set the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► colon with the thing colon and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► colon and that's the whole signature but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► you you put the arguments interspersed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► in the middle those it looks like name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► parameters but it's really not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► really just a fancy way of calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► something someone in Ruby you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► like object dot set the thing with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► then the thing comma the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► colon and then the other thing value it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► it's kind of like weird and awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► because it's just you know it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► strange and you can't even like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► string searches because the method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► signatures include like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► argument and then you have to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2098">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► sort of decision about alright how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► translate from the square bracket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► expression of an objective-c message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► send into my object dot something parens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► version in Ruby and so they just choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► a way to do it but it just ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► weird and so you're using it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► getting back to the high level versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► low level thing you're presumably you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► using Ruby because you like it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► than Objective C you know like it states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► those people who love Ruby it's like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► beautiful and elegant and all it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► and but like that's why you're using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► but then here are all these ugly warts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► like you would never write a ruby API to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► look like the things that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► call because they're objective-c api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► it the beauty is partially lost because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► most of what your program is doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► calling through to an API written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► another language that you must call in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► your Ruby code and it just looks weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► you just know it's not a native Ruby API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► because no sane Ruby person would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► make any bad it looks anything like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► it's just weird and the final point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I made in all those episodes is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► hard part of making an iOS app or a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► app using cocoa or whatever is learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► the API as learning UI kit an app kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and foundation and all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► that's the hard part the hard part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► not the language and once you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► API once you know enough to make an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► application or cocoa application or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► something at that point is like why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► just use objective-c like how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► your program how much of what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► doing in your program is someplace where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► you're like okay now this is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► block of plain old Ruby and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► manipulation that's so much easier to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► in Ruby and that's I think that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► it is probably easy to do simple string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► manipulation and stuff like that in Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► than it is an objective-c but the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► majority of the time in your program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► you're calling into API is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► didn't write and the hard part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► figuring out which one of those to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► and how to call them and what sequence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► and how to arrange your program and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► doesn't change with the language and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► like you're so close to just writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► native objective-c that it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► know there's the confusion of having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► everything balanced with the supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► benefits you're getting but once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► learn that API I know if I would did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► this and did like a Mac Ruby application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and I got it working everything I'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► like man now enough about know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► about a UI kit that I could just write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► this in Objective C and not have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► intermediary layer that I have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► about right and the other thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► course is that objective-c is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► supported platform that they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► improving it that you can use a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► Apple tool chain one of the points that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► Ryan polemics and the article is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► Ruby motion does not use what used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► known as interface builder and it's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► integrated into Xcode right you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► lay out your you eyes using a GUI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► got to use it programmatically which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► something that not everyone is familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► with it certainly has a higher learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► curve at the learner all the api's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► visually oriented is not quite as nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► and there's a lot of design shops app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► design shops where the person doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► user interface has no connection to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► code they're simply designed I I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► there are a lot of people that work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► this way maybe it's a team of two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► one writes code one does the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► interface usability part and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► should bother people yeah and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► they're trying to help like Cincinnati [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► says that they have their own layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► system that they've developed that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► said Xcode integration is on the roadmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► but not the short-term roadmap so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► out there and they're their own things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► so it works this is kind of like CSS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► it's similar to the cocoa auto layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► which uses little ASCII art diagrams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► except it's something that's done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► Ruby with a DSL type thing so it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► programmatically layout controls it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► nicer than just having to make a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► of calls giving some sort of web evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► DSL a kind of way to do stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► still think people like you know I again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► like you said if there's if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► designers doing it or something you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► not going to hey check out this cool DSL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► or check out Auto layout with ASCII art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► they're just going to roll their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► they they want to drag buttons onto a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► form and connect not put lines into all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► that stuff oh let's see what else do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► have on this what else you got no we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► not done with this topic since it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► continues on and on so the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► being on the Apple training using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► Apple's tool chain it's worth noting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► this point that not using Apple's tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► chain can be seen as a benefit to many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► people because the latest version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Xcode has a lot of detractors both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► terms of user interface but primarily in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► terms of its bugginess and performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► so this is coming at just the right time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► I think of people who are just annoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► at the latest version of Xcode because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► it's slow and it keeps crashing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► screws up their projects and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► that like mad they just want to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► of that like I want to build navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► want to get out of that unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► those people who are complaining are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► usually pretty hardcore iOS or Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► developers who have a tremendous amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► of knowledge invested in objective-c in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► that platform and I don't think they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► just slide right into Ruby cocoa but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► Ruby cocoa Mac Ruby or Ruby motion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► maybe they'll give it a try and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► with it and maybe it will get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► for it to land and have the best chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► of getting traction I think it's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► with the dissatisfaction of apples with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► eventually get its tools settled down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► that the latest version of Xcode is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► quite a change from the previous one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► presumably like you would assume they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► would eventually get it settled down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► lot of people are like alright let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► consider Xcode for a bad joke and WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► they're going to Xcode 5 and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► fantasies going on in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► the latest version of Xcode 4 is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► well loved so we'll see how they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► but the final point I have to make on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► this is that Apple really really hates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► it when people don't use its tools like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► that's that's the elephant in the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► about all this they've really hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► applications for that platform using any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► seriously hate like the flash stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► making you know making applications with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► flash and porting them and I like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► those debates they just know you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► make applications our platform use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and then people camera at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► workarounds right we'll use a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► tool but we'll produce objective-c code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► and you won't be able to tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► difference Apple and so far apples been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► objective-c code and you're submitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► us binary that looks like it was built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► with our tools and it looks like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► written Objective C and we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► that it was and like that's a constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► struggle but you just know Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► like that because that what they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► want is a code warrior situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► the vast majority of their user base is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► using an IDE that they don't control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► all of a sudden the progress of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► platform is controlled by a third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► company that they have no control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► right because like I think we made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► awesome new thing and like oh well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► can't even use that until code warrior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► updates to support it all right they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► not want that to happen ever ever again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► and it's just like an institutional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► hatred of using any tools other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► their own they want complete ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► of the tools they want you to use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► and if they can force you using they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► will so that is the grim outlook for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► anybody trying to make any sort of tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► that you use instead of Xcode to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► your applications even if you use their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► full compiler tool chain you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► they're using LLVM and clang and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► that's that's what Ruby motion is using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► it's totally native it's making its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► making Objective C applications like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► don't have to know that it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► and Ruby but I just know that Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► not like that so if one of these IDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► ever got traction it became insanely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► popular look for a confrontation of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► kind or something coming to a head the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► best thing that could happen to remotion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► ik is that it could be used by a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► really great developers and get popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► but still not be in widespread use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► because that would keep it safe sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► one of the point I had in us I have too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► many things bolded here was that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► Sansa matey's heart is in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► place with this thing I quote from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► the ARS technica article does it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► some quotes from him right in it says an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► iOS application written in Ruby will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► contain significantly less lines of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► objective-c like that's what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► right that's why all these doodles you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► don't want to just like oh what looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► prettier because there's no funny square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► brackets like that's not the goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2578">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► like that's maybe one of the goals but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► that's not what you want it to be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► code that's what you want and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► this delivers on that just if only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► boilerplate and headers and the example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► code in the in the article is only 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► lines it's only hundred lines because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► you can put it all on one file you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► do multiple class definitions and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► don't have to have like separate MS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► dot H's and interface and property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► declarations and synthesize calls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► it's just you know it's less noisy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► there's less boilerplate and so there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► a real benefit there I think but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► obviously not what Apple wants to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► with and if I was writing an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► for the Mac or iOS I would probably just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► bite the bullet and learn and learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► objective-c because that feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► still be safe bet to me that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► advice I've always heard from every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► developer that I've ever talked to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► you know bite the bullet learn Objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► it's from Apple it's by Apple they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► always going to make sure that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2638">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► works unless they invent something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► but this is official why if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► to embrace the platform would you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► embrace the infrastructure that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► provided for you otherwise because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► infrastructure sucks and keeps crashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► in annoys me and I don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► language as much as other stuff but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► these applications is that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► learn the API it's not learning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► language Objective C takes you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► experienced programmer a day to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► basics you know you're fine right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► not the language it's the API and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► API is a lot to learn no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► language you program it in so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► that's always been a sticking point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► me so that's the end of Ruby motion I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► applaud the effort I think it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► really cool and I hope they do not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► big enough to go into Apple's crosshairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► that was like a follow up but also kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► of a topic because it's so distant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► now back to the regular follow up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► really wanted to limit this to shows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► due to my own incompetence I have failed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► to do so games games and gaming well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► this is a big this is a big follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► topic let's do our second sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► quickly and then we can get into games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► okay are you can will will you allow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► will text astok this is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► would think you like no didn't do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► have an iPad that you could use do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► have an iPad you could grab and have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► the afternoon it's sitting right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► front of me right now okay so I want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► to go and install and I think I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► promo code for you if you want if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► don't already have this app text a stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► it's powerful and fast text editor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► iPad I love this app it's an advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► code editor it has a rich support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► syntax highlighting it does Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► integration it does WebDAV it does a FTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► and SFTP and it supports more than 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► different types of files while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► typing HTML objective-c Ruby Python and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► if you don't if you like John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► programming language you can use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► definitions just use your own thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► written from the ground up uses a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► know native iOS API is like core text so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► it has interactive search it has a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► fast quick very responsive text editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► that this whole thing is built around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► it's got these great little additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► keys over the virtual keyboard to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► it really easy for you to enter code and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► navigation wheel that makes selecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► text really easy so first use our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► sponsor to get up to speed so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► type really fast then you get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► and now you're like coding machine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► just your iPad you're a coding machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and you can update right on the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► you got SFTP I mentioned that you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Dropbox you get all of this stuff and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► even has code completion for HTML and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► CSS and if you have an external keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► you can use that too it's really awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► you go to text asta Capcom let me spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► that text txt astok ast I see app text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► as de Capcom and if there's developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► out then even if you're not a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► you just want a really really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► editor with all these features just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► check it out text tastic they just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► that thing recently about some a guy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► a group of people created an entire game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► on an iPad it was an iOS game they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► created entirely on an iPad all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► coding all the graphics all everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► pretty cool shows what you can do yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► and said what I think when I thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► when I saw that was like like hey look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► at this we made we made a whole app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► the iPad see is not just for consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► blah blah it reminded me of kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► if someone had been bragging back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► early days of the personal computer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► our game consoles where you used to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► to have another bigger fancier computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► to make programs for the other computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► yeah like you you I can't think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► good concrete example and so someone can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► come up with one but like used you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► game consoles you'd have to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► development thing that was way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► powerful than the game console itself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► write it like you don't write the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► personal computers like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► original Mac software was written on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Lisa I believe someone can correct me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► I'm wrong on that because you needed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► big computer or at least the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► was already done to make the connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► software for the other computer but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► that seems silly it's like I'm a rogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► this Mac application on my Mac isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► that amazing like no not really uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► think in 10 years looking back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► stories like someone wrote an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► application on an iPad they'd be like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► so what that's exciting for what reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► we're in this weird in-between period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► where we think you can't do we think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► can't create things for the thing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Gaming gaming gaming so again listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► to myself on the previous episode I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► the points that I totally miss a lot I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► listening to mess I'm going wait you now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► don't talk about that now you're missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► the point here don't you sit in I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► again I'm it it's frustrating to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► to yourself and realize you're being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► idiot but there you have it so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► start with some smaller gaming fault and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► then we'll get to the P one major point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► any mess if you recall I last show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► repented for not having focused enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► on the distinction I was making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► games are a weird kind of art because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► they have these qualities of the forms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► original show I had muddied the water by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► bringing by talking about things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► are not arts to try to illuminate other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► aspects of the analogy but it was a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► was a tangent that was dragging me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► course and so on this episode I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► point that I missed last time but let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► start with small follow-up first I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► something from someone who's I hate when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► I go to someone's Twitter account and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► all I see is the Twitter name and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► don't have a real name listed because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► don't know how to credit you so this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► is stic kan which I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► pronounce and if you had provided a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► name I would have given an effort but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► sent me a link to oh here's another name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► Dara O'Brien but it's it's not O'Brien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► like Oh a posture fee its Dara da RA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► then a space then a capital o and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► space and then Bri a ayan anyway he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► Irish I think yeah that's an Irish name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► for sure yes but no pottery so he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► stand-up comedian he has a stent he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► difficulty of playing games very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► to topic like you know he makes one line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► it's not the point of his comedy routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► but one line is about it you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► forms of art you aren't prevented from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► enjoying because you are not skilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► enough and it's a good funny routine you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► should watch it at the link is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► show notes so I recommend that cage it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► healing chat room says obreon obreon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► well he would know so there you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► what it reminded me of seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► stand-up comic talking about video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► was that it packs this year someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► audience asks question during one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► Q&A sessions of Mike and Jerry why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► you guys have stand-up comedians at PAX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► and what they said was that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► people have proposed that but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► easy to find stand-up comedians who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► like video game relevant humour who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► aren't like patronizing or like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► really one of us or or just aren't funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► stand-up comedian I do video game stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► and you can you can tell when the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► doing the comedy either doesn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► culture isn't a real gamer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► people who do get the culture and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► real gamers are often are not funny so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► it's not easy it's not easy to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► stand-up community who's gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► because there it is possible to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► very funny skits about video games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► are relevant to gamers but it's rare so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► I looked through this guy I'm like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► seems like a real gamer to me maybe kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► of like a in-between II casually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► you know like but and the questions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► whether he's funny now maybe they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► get him maybe he's too big and wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► he's from maybe there's don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► he's a good fit the show and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► know if he is but when I saw this that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► thought of that like it is difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► find people doing humor about narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► interest subjects that are acceptable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► the people who are into that but who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► also broadly funny the next one is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► ash furrow and he I'm something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► he again like many other people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► following my advice and when they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► whole bunch of stuff to say about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► show write a blog post I will link to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► in the show notes it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► sending me the big giant email that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► I see and then I have to summarize for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► okay Julie says Dara was a physics major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► in college and he's a big science nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► yes but doesn't mean he's a gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► doesn't mean he is more connection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► the nerd so anyway ash furro furro wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► a blog post that was titled the joys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► sorrows of being an almost gamer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► complains about he says that he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► understood what I was talking about when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► I said that some people play games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► don't have the skills to complete them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► and can be frustrating like games such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► as Zelda to have a soft ramp up to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► you familiar with mechanics but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► eventually the game gets too hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► you have to stop and he said he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► experiences this and it kind of sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and it's why he stopped playing video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► games he says he says I've played 2/3 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► the way through so many game I've almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► finished it doesn't Zelda games that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► rough right he says he was getting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► the portal which is first-person shooter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► came to the section that introduces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► turrets I literally panicked I put down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► the game and didn't touch it for a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► first-person shooter and I hated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► because he's not particularly good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► first-person shooters and doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► this kind of games but was encouraged to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► play portal because he said it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► a puzzle game but eventually there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► some first-person Ori stuff import [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► first-person kind of stuff in portal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► where you have to be kind of good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► controlling the character and that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► it frustrating so he says he has played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► a whole bunch of games like Mario games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► and Smash Brothers and joy port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► portal 2 but never enjoyed playing Halo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► or called duty and he says that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► thinks marginal improvements in gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► killed the high level the spectrum can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► result in massive improvements in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► joy experience while playing so if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► was a little better shooters he'd enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► them more I would say about this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► that he's mostly a gamer like he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► really the people I was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► the fact that he's gotten as far as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► competence in gaming than the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► majority of the public I think he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► play enjoy and get through completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► like a game like eco and and journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► very easily shall the classes probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► still beyond his reach because they does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► get hard drugs in and not finishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► Zelda games is really rough because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► especially if you like two-thirds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► way through you want to see the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► you want to see the conclusion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► story you want to have satisfaction for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► the work you've done and if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► can't get there that's that's rough so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► encourage everyone to go read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► because it is much more interesting than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► my brief summary of it and speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► finishing games Bruce Phillips wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► to point me to an article that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► completion percentages for a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Xbox 360 games it's a little bit old but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► on the past show I said I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► know how many players actually complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► games and this isn't necessarily a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► measure of a skill because they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► you could not complete a game because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► gets boring or it gets annoying or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► just don't use it's not fun anymore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► you think you've played the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and you're not interested anymore but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► the range is huge so this is a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► the show notes it's a game of suture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► article or Gamasutra if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► pronounce it that way and there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► low of a ten percent completion light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► for Guitar Hero game which I assume is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► completely a skill barrier to completion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► because completing 100 percent of Guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► Hero takes tremendous textarea musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► ability that most people don't have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► it all I think it also gets kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► boring as you go and to a high of 75 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► percent for a call duty game which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► a mass-market game like said they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► to reduce the scale factor to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► find the broadest audience but called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► Duty's is still a pretty hardcore gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► game but it's a huge range there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► completion percentages and I was I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► I had more relevant more comprehensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► data on that on about game makers due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► that's the point of the article was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► how to get people to keep playing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► game I don't know if the article I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► looked at the graphs I confess I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► read the entire thing but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► if the article goes into whether skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► is a factor like are people leaving your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► game because they're not engaged or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► they consider the people leaving your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► game simply because they can't get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► father oh the next one is Mike F who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► writes in without his full last name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► Mike F mentions the Dean axel F exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► Eddie Murphy writes and to say that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► he doesn't like journey so right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► he's suspect to me like this was the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► of this thing I read his entire entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► email then at the very end he takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► jab a journey I'm like oh then why did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► read the hell mail you're I just written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► you off entirely sorry he suspects but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► what's hearing now let's see what he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► arguments without considering his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► terrible taste in games uh say it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► it's pretty common to hear video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► journalists making the same argument you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► did about video game length and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► meaningless it is as a measure of value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► taken to the extreme that's obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► bad argument a copy of quake three that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► shuts off after a week is worth less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► than one that does not and he suggests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► that it's because if you're not dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► with a job and you have less time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► obviously you're going to be if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► time constrained you value the quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► of the entertainment more than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► constrained like a kid you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► the most bang for your buck you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► plenty of time but you only have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► little bit of money so you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► spend 60 bucks on a game that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► only like five hours long because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► you got to save up sixty bucks again so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► it's it's you know a difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► perspective of what you want to think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► he says if you're a kid on a budget and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► you can only get a game every two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► but you really recommend the kid by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► journey well first of all journey is $15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► so that's not quite a fair comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► but what I was specifically talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► about and complains about how long it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► takes to finish game is that it applies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► mostly to single-player games like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► it was only nine hours gameplay and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► think there should be twenty right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► the they didn't get X hours enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► for Y amount of money complaints almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► exclusively focus on single-player games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► a replay value in dollar for money is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► like a legitimate concern but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► mostly wrapped up in in game type very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► very few single-player games having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► replay value to come close to even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► mediocre multiplayer game so a game like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► quake 3 yes it'll be ridiculous if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► game shut off but you try reading your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► review you know what genre you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► complaining that mmo's don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► like they're not long enough like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► are very few MMOs where you can hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► level cap in five hours because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► that I think would be worth complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► about you when you get an MMO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► especially when you get a multiplayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► multiplayer game is like you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► I can never people are still playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► you know single-player games have an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► I mean to give a X hours of gameplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► thing you have to have an end to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► game and single-player games do have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► end and there are single-player portions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► of other games you can complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► multiplayer games pretty much don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► an end even when you hit the level cap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► you can just hang out there in MMO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► you're not going to get like a level 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► wherever that is Wow person in 12 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► you're just not I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► fastest speedrun up to love lady was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► it takes normal people are really a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► time to do that and even when you hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► the level cap you can just keep playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► and playing and playing and doing raids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► and just you know there's no end to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► so I've never personally seen a length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► complaint for a MMO or a multiplayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► game I only see it for single-player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► games where you play through some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► of story and occasionally you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► complaints about the story mode of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► multiplayer game like oh yeah it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► as awesome multiplayer and stuff but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► single-player campaign is only four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► hours long and we don't feel like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► enough and those are the complaints that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► that I am saying are silly because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► know if the quality of those four hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► of single-player game was high enough it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► shouldn't matter and by the way if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► part of a multiplayer game is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► really even the focus aren't you buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► this game so you can you know play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► multiplayer forever and ever and ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► until you get bored of it so for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► who are on time constraint for on money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► constraints I would definitely tell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► kid who's online straight to buy journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► because it is only $15 so it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► to hurt their money budget uh but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► if it was $60 I would still tell I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► telling me but I recommend that game to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► study if you like good things then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► should like journey and I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► you know amount that you get by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► money ratio you will still get a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► value than you would for even from any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► multiplayer games so but really what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► getting is I don't think people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► being tricked or duped or gypped by at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► home let's see that's not good that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► rude for gypsies and very sorry many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► things that come out of my mouth are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► unintentionally racist there's a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► title for you people who feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► they're being swindled by not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► what they wanted for their money if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► you're a gamer you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► getting when you buy an MMO you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► what you're getting when you buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► multiplayer game are you going to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► deathmatch so you can play a sports game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► against people online you know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► single-player game I still say it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► down to quality and not length I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► much rather play and even if I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► totally not time concerned I'm retired I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► have no kids at all the time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► world I would still rather play an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► awesome to our game than a mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► crappy 10 15 20 hour game and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► the if you really want value for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► money what you're really looking for if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► you're not into multiplayer games is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► 70 to 80 hour single-player game where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► it's good all the way through and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► are few and far between Zelda games are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► the only ones that come to mind as what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► you say about journey's as it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► ham-fisted twaddle that's what he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► about journey hmm so pretentious maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► maybe that's the only one I'll possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► give him me or maybe he's just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► cynical but it's a strong argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► them for journey being pretentious right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► but overproduced no no no I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► understated and it's not over produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► called duties over produced you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► ham-fisted not ham-fisted at all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► subtle very you know ham-fisted is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► square jaw jarhead marine guy cursing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► you about how he's going to crush the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► enemy bugs and like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► Journey has cutscenes with no text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► no dialogue that is not yeah anyway he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► wrong about journey I'm right you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► go buy that game it's $15 this show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► we've been on pause to the show I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► well you know they are losing money so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► maybe they don't have that bit see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► they're losing money because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► sponsoring the show that's how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► finally you get a getting it let Horace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► sponsoring five-by-five caused the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► downfall of the company it didn't cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► it but it simply didn't it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► suspend it either her dear first yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► all right uh there was I had a Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► exchange shortly after the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► about gaming with someone whose Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► handle is frankly and whose name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► listed only as Frank the original tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► started it was saying to me you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► making an incorrect assumption that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► investment can't prove skills I suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► reading outliers by Malcolm Gladwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► which I'm sure Merlyn is glad to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► another person recommending a Mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► Gladwell book and so just of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► Twitter thread which I tried desperately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3778">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► to find a service that can like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► a million like show with Twitter thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► websites out there and I found a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► bunch of them but none of them showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► the complete thread probably because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► discontinuity in there where we started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► replying to different threads so none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► them showed the entire thread and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► them are like ugly and weird so please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► don't send me 8,000 Twitter thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► things if you found one that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► then go for it but you can just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► through I'll put this frankly tweet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► the original treatment Charlotte's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► you could find the cheyna replies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► last like 10 in 15 minutes and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► an example of a good Twitter exchange I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► think it probably would have been better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► if it had gone to email but I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► more entertaining to other people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► they want to follow in that it was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► on Twitter and it kept us short so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► going to summarize the beginning portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► of it in even shorter version Frank was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► basically saying time investment leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► to skill and I was saying there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► limit and that was the major the major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► point of our disagreement was that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► was saying like you know they're not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► Gladwell 10,000 hours to gain expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► blah blah blah I was obviously never not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► saying that you don't get better when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► you practice obviously you do but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► saying that there are limits and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► those limits are really low for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► people when it comes to gaming because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► they're not skills that most people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► and can't develop so that was our our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► disagreement that he seemed to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► that if you practice enough anybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► get really good at games and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► regardless of that disagreement like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► even ignore who was right in that debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► the meta point I made after I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► that was our disagreement was like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► moot because if people won't invest the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► time to practice it still results in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► same thing the majority the population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► not having the skills to enjoy games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► is it because they can't get the skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► or because they're not engaged enough or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► because they're put off by their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► lack of expertise in to begin with or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► because they don't know what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► whatever the reason they either can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► gain them or won't gain them the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► most of the population can appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► these what we think are the best that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► this medium has to offer America gone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► Twitter pointed out that opera is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► of like that and because you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► you're if you don't have a knife you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► don't understand what they're saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► don't know the foreign language in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► then you can't really appreciate opera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► and I think that probably applies to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► foreign language art not that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► art form itself but it's the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► it's in a foreign language you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► foreign movies have subtitles but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► kind of missing some of the cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► stuff but really any any art created in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► a foreign society is in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► language or in a different culture than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► you are there is necessarily a knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► barrier to you fully appreciate not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► physical skill but there's definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► barrier there and that I think is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► closest I've seen as in a commonplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► example of art being not able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► something close to a skill or knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► that they don't have so and I would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► lump all four and stuff under that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► finally we'll get to the main point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► upon listening to myself I immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► realized and then eight billion people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► emailed me and tweeted me about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► distinction that I guess I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► making implicitly but doesn't matter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► I make it implicitly if I don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► say it because this is an audio medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► the distinction not versus art and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► art but participant versus the observer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► producer versus consumer many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► wrote in to give examples of other types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► of things they thought were either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► counter-examples or support for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► statements about games and a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► made this name same mistake I did of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► distinguishing correctly between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► person creating the art and the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► consuming the art and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► key to what I was talking about here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► Jonathan do gak do D ug e C which says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► everything that I'm about to say but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► a much better manner so I will put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► the show notes and you can read it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► see if I've got a portion I can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► enthusiasts engage in is as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► casual games is interesting in that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► is a participatory pastime there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► perhaps no division between participants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► those who play and consumers those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► consume because necessarily consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► is participation in this instance it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► the ability to participate the necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► physical skills to fully enjoy journey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► that are the barriers to entry here this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► is a fairly unique proposition for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► pastime particularly one as creative as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► video games it may have the effect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► establishment is more than a simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► frivolous pastime this is disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► for fans of creative video games so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► this distinction many people will bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► up things like music or like all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► need physical skills to to play music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► and music is an art and therefore it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► distinction here is that playing music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► creating art is almost always difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► create crew the creation process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► course is difficult the weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► about gaming is that consumption is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► difficult so it's super hard to write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► symphony or to play an instrument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► masterfully right but to listen to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► music you sit in the room with your ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► open and you listen and almost everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► can appreciate music babies little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► babies and toddlers sway their little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► bodies to the music it's like not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► know it's it's as an innate as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► get appreciating music so yes of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► creating music step of creating hands is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► typical creating photography writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► everything the creation act is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► hard the gaming is weird because to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► consume it you are also partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► participating and that's the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► you know that that distinguishes games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► from these other media that people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► are analogous because you are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► creating music by listening to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► are not creating a movie about watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► it right you are not creating a novel by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► required of you there's a low skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► barrier listening to music and enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► practically something that's innate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► almost as close as you can get right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► movie it helps to have that cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► background the knowledge and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► but there's no skill factor really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► terms of watching better I did make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► point in the very first episode about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► this and music is the same way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► Jonathan goes on to say there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► simple consumers of creative video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► what is unusual about video games is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► drive from the audience and the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► to legitimate for the genome ization is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Tenace had never attempted to legitimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► itself as high art and is perceived as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► it is a participant in that sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► tracted consumers in the form of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► relatively unique in that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► participatory activity seeking to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► legitimize it's an art form so I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► to talk more about legitimization in art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► forms a little bit later but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► consumer participant and creator is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► think key to understanding what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► on here because there are no simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► consumers of video games you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► participate in the and that's why I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► trying to get last time with like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► two-way communication between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► original creator of the game and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► player they are communicating over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► to help create this thing and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► completely performance art and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► player isn't creating the game the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► was created for him but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► necessary participation participation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► element that requires skill and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► knowledge and experience like many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► things to do that that it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► barrier to consumption there and Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► drew had another email instead of blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► post about the same thing classic gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► is not a form of art consumption is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► form of art performance the player does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► not consume the art of the game he or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► she performs it and again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► there's a lotta mungus component of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► that's done by the Creator you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► really performing it the same way as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► were I think it's even different like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► say oh the composer writes the symphony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► and then a musician performs it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► the people listen well it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► different than that because the composer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► in that analogy is the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► created the game but the player doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► just perform the game like you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► following a series of instructions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► doing what the composer said and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► this plenty of room for variation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► playing style stuff like that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► variation in gameplay you can do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► that the original creator of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► didn't intend at all like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► beauty of gaming that you are it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► direct type of thing where I make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► game you play the game you do exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► what I wanted with variations in style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► or whatever you want it's not what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► more much more variation between the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► know the game that was created and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► way the player experiences it and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► the person who's playing the game who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► consumed he's also the consumer you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► well what if someone's watching him it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► it's like someone writes a symphony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► someone plays it and some dude listens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► to the symphony in gaming the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► listening and the person playing are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► same and again I don't think the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► playing is simply carrying out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► instructions of the game creator far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► from it that's not what gaming is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► it's not what gaming is about and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► the more games get towards that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► people tend not to like them it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► just like oh I'm just basically pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► a bunch of buttons to make a movie play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► in front of me using computer graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► pre-rendered things that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► gaming is about let's see we're gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► so he makes another good analogy here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► the reason I included is that he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► the emergence of recording artists and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► their much wider mark ability with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► double-edged sword for music it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► great that music got a larger exposure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► and that people can make a boatload of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► money for music but it also replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► learning playing and performing music as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► a prior previously primary vehicles for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► music appreciation so he's making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► comparison between like you know back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► before we had record players and radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► and stuff like that the way people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► experience music was they had to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► how to play it but I think music music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► had a barrier to distribution which led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► to people having to learn how to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► because if you couldn't where could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► get music there was no radio there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► no record store if you wanted to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► whatever had to know how to play right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► and this again definite skill barrier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► production if you want to have music in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► your home someone in your families got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► to learn how to play there's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► skill barrier to doing that like all art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► forms but the consumers still had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► skill barrier you go down to the pub and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► you listen you didn't know have to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► how to play if your dad knew how to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► the fiddle you sit there and you listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► right no skill barrier to consumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and a clear pretty clear separation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► between consumption and creation and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► idea of performance that's kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► they were getting at and the are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► like performance I don't think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► same as performing a play or performing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► a piece of music I think it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► there's much greater variation in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► and the creative act is not the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and I also think the consumer is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► the person doing the performance so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► is weird in many different ways but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► this distinction is important between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► producer consumer performer and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► those blend and combine and who takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► what roles in the creative process let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► see more on participation casual games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► uh I'll read this part here it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► last part from true in my view the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► emergence of modern casual games is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► directly analogous to the emergence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► recording artists in the early to mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► 20th century as the art form is matured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► and the devices that can play them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► become more ubiquitous the audience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► people who appreciate facets of gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► such as the fun graphic sense of reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► bragging rights and things of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► however the pool of people people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► skill to play games has not so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► comparing casual games to like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► casual games or equivalent to the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► who just listen to pre-recorded music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► whereas the hardcore gamers are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► people who would learn how to play I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► think this is again I think this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► imperfect analogy but it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► marginalization of the people who are of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► the people with skills in favor of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► people with lesser skills it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► like the broadening the base of music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► making more people be able to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► music he's saying has similar to has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► isn't that has made everyone into music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► players so hey now everyone listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► the radio everyone will know how to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► that's not how it works people will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► consume it by listening they will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► all go out and learn as anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► lessen the number of people who need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► learn how to play and so as gaming has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► become popular it's saying the pool of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► people with skills to play games has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► tremendously simply from exposure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► percentage of the total people who play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► Angry Birds or whatever so finally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► think it's the end of the game thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4498">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► God's it goes on forever games as art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► this is something that I mentioned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► way we started heard about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► previous letter and a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► wrote in to ask me about David she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► right saying to say one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► interests me greatly is why so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► gamers seem to feel the need to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► games as being art I'm not sure what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► goal is here is it being labeled as art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► somehow give games a magic shield or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► you know what why why is it that gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► want games to be known as art and a past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► show I mentioned that I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► that they were and that wasn't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► I wanted to talk about but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► worth discussing as people keep bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► it up I think the you know why why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► gamers feel the need to defend games as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► being art it's mostly defensive I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► it's not something that I ever saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► offered by gamers like they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► promoting it until there was an attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► until many people would say the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► aren't hard so it's a reaction to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► trying to belittle gaming and obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► the reaction of gamers to people trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► to blow gaming is to defend so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► entirely defensive in my view and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► are they defending why do they even care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► experience what they experience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► gaming they know gaming has like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► stigma as a time waster and a frivolous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► thing and they think it's great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► maybe no one will say anything until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► that until someone comes out and says oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► well you know games are not art and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► to something good and and something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► not art is lesser and we are now saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► that games will always be stupid time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► wasters and they're not a worthwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► pursuit and then gamers get upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► that as many people who wrote in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► many people who have debated this online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► and stuff have pointed out people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► the same thing about the novel now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► know this it's a silly time waster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► Mitchell Cohen wrote in to give me a his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► passage here is the first 18th century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► novels were stigmatized as trifling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► indulgences for idle women since their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► contents were fictional and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► have no use to working adults and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► are many things you can google for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► things that we said about novels because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► it just seemed like garbage words today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► novels are like oh my child is reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► no one says what he's reading fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► that trash he needs to get out and plow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► the fields I don't know what they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► to do instead of I guess read nonfiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► or you know learn about fake science so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► it's kind of natural for any new medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► to go through this thing where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► say it's not worthwhile it's it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► rots your brain it's not a worthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► intellectual pursuit it's not hard or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► whatever and videogames are new mediums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► so I think you have to expect this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► I have to take issue with the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► begged the question regarding the notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► of video games that video games are an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► perhaps they are but you simply asserted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► this and then drew conclusion based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► so Roger Morgan is probably very proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► of himself for successfully using beg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► the question which is very rare in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► internet the wrong way for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► don't know that they use it as they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► it to mean which leads me to ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► question so you know this begs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► question that bla bla bla what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► trying to say is this leads me to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► the question XY and Z but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► what beg the question actually means I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► put a link to the Wikipedia page of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► course and the show notes about this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► little summer here is begging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► question is a type of logical fallacy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► which a proposition is made that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► proposition so despite Roger using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► phrase correctly I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► applies to what I was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► because I was using games as art as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► premise and sort of if you accept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► games that art then I say the games have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► an odd characteristic most found not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► found in most other forms of art it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► not like games art was being used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► support the proposition the games have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► skill barrier consumption right it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► the premise and yet you can reject the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► premise and then you don't you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► don't agree with me that's fine but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► wasn't them being art was not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► support my proposition that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► skill barrier to consumption that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► are among art forms so I I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► that that is correct use of the phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4738">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► but not entirely applicable but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► substance of what were you saying oh he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► says he says he's neutral on this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► having never having been particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► generally interested to know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► come to the conclusion that they're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► art form are you talking from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► creative perspective of the players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► would love to hear the reasoning on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► internet and on podcast I have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► particularly interested in defending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► mentioned it just offhand last oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► but I do strongly believe that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► art but really the reason it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► interesting debate to me because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► its semantics it's not games are art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► it's really my definition of art either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► includes or excludes games because games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► are what they are right and so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► you're really debating is what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► definitions of art are so lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► doesn't include games and here's why and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► other people say well my definition does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► include and you just debate forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► about your definitions of art doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► change what games are my definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► art includes games if yours doesn't then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► you know fine if we can agree on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► definition then we can have a debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► about whether games qualify but always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► the debate is the other way people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► just shifting around their definitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► to conform to what they wanted not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► saying before we begin a debate we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► agree we agree that this is our and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► we can argue about whether games call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► definition of art to begin with before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► you can even engage in a debate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► these people you just have that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► agreement as a presupposition yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► otherwise yours goalposts moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► whole time all you're doing is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► shifting around your definition like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► that you see that in all the time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► mostly for the people who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► obviously I'm reading I'm reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► ones where the people who are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► it's not art or getting trashed right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► they'll they'll say games are not art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/4839">TS</a>]
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01:27:09 ◼ ► look at the camera and go ah I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► exasperated and then you see the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► shiny things they should it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► difficult to show the frustration of bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► hosting on television but if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► when John reminds me that the fallacy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5241">TS</a>]
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01:27:25 ◼ ► the goalposts moving is the no truth no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5245">TS</a>]
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01:27:29 ◼ ► the show notes to people who don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► what that is they can google it TV in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► the chatroom is saying that uh the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5255">TS</a>]
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01:27:41 ◼ ► counter-attack at this point and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5261">TS</a>]
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01:27:44 ◼ ► again you don't see television show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► people producers a television show out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► television shows there are and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5270">TS</a>]
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01:27:54 ◼ ► assumption that we all agree on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► right not that all TV shows are art but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► that TV shows can be art like that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► categorically by the medium or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► right and I think gamers and gaming was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► in that state for a long time or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► was just an assumption and when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► revealed that this assumption was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► shared by the rest of society then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► get the counter-attack so yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► going to be on an offensive now for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► long time it's an activist type movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► uh but it was triggered by you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► it's defensive in origin like everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► gamers are sitting there going light of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► course this games just like the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► people are now so that's what I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► about that oh so someone suggested by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► the way and so probably being the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► things the Housewives for Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► accounting I don't know if we can double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► up on the County thing I think we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► yeah I know you like it but it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► totally disjoint it just happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► share the structure and the names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► because it's different you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► television show instead of movie reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► Bella I don't we'll see how I feel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► like it so here's one from another game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► ol gamer Michael O'Hara no apostrophe no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► space capital L capital H it does sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► like a real name though yeah says I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► really into games like Miss driven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► methodical troubleshooting nature helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► me develop very high skills to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► these types of games I watched a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► of people in my crowd who just couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► get how to do these kinds of things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► describe in today's games like moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► around visual acuity shortcuts etc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► this inclusion is some of us can be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► difficult games just not the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► games you're talking about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► definitely true there is a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► category of games which as many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► are said about has become much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► popular but the kind of games where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► skill barrier it it to entry is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► about physical hand-eye coordination so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► much as puzzle solving and problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► solving like it used to be that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► a whole very popular genre of game Myst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► yeah or the you know the Sierra Tex the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► Sierra graphical adventures oh sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► stuff and before that the text adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► games where you were being faced with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► basically brain teaser type puzzles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► varying levels of fairness there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► good incomparable podcast about text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► adventures that people should find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► they're interested uh you played Ultima [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5399">TS</a>]
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01:30:05 ◼ ► might've sidesaddle played that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► remember I had a Mac so any game that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► was only available on a PC I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► watch my friend play over his house or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► help him play but I don't think really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► got into Ultima we did I the beholder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► and a couple of SSI stuff but not Ultima [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► uh so Ultima Ultimo's a Commodore 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► game well I mean I'm not saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► wasn't a PC game for me the way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► of it the early Altimas Commodore 64 ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► know I never had a c64 vic-20 yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► bad not a bad machine that's terrible ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► so he goes on to the Mon the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► state of games the games today have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► on the same road gone the same Road to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► Perdition that happens to movies movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► today are almost entirely about shock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► and awe the CGI and violence scene one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► you've probably seen most of them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► state of games today is the same no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► makes mine challenging games like Riven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► they are a much smaller percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► the market that is true this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► venture game is now so narrow that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► a few super nerds are into it and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► are nerds who they have a different kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► of skills where you put you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► adventure they get nowhere and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► say well they could get somewhere if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► they even cared but there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► they're going to bang their head against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► that wall because and again it's gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► back to can they learn that skill versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► will they learn it I you know the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► results is the same they will not finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► that game whether because they can or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► never could or just simply don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► learn they won't but there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► who do like these kinds of games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► there are there are a smaller percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► of the market than they used to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► agree with that so second collusion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► they're only making games that are 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► different ways to kill no wonder as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► society we have a problem with men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► desensitized to violence I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► about this and about you know games like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► Riven and as a percentage of the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► gaming and games just being shocking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► stuff like that in the absence of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► kind of artificial controls any mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► media is going to end up with a mix of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► content that reflects human nature and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► lot of people don't like that reflection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► like I think you know if you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► any sort of controls like where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► someone determining what is worthy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► being shown or whatever those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► artificial controls where you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► powerful cabal and Hollywood decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► that or you know the comic book code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► an example from your world if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► decide that there's only going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► certain kind of things that they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► are appropriate to seeing comic books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► and stuff like that right no vampires no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► vampires yeah those are artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► controls right but in the absence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► artificial controls any kind of media TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► painting music anything is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► and like it or not you know adolescent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► boys like killing things and they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► sexy ladies and all these things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► you know that intellectually we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► are you know Basin and not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► enlightened if you don't have some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► of control forcing the media to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► enlightened you're going to end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► that right and one of the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► controls is obscurity if a media like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► games is obscure a lot of people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► even know about don't even play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► there's such a small audience that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► not yet such a giant lucrative draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► that it can't be resisted right it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► less willpower to produce produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► sophisticated games when you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► foregoing a giant windfall by doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► right you say well there's only like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► people in the whole world who play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► anyway so I don't need to make the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► marine you know shoot them up boob space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► galaxy adventure game when I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► to get any more of the market than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► would if I just sold like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► sophisticated interesting text I'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► 100% of the market by selling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► Hitchhiker's Guide you know to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► adventure game for these nerds I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► have to to dumb it down and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► broader right uh but now the gaming is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► widespread you it starts to become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► like movies become more of a reflection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► of society as a whole percentage-wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► there are great movies but there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► small percentage very enlightened movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► you know that been there movies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► just appeal to our baser instincts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► they make a lot of money and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► keep getting made that's capitalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► right uh but all that said I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► are more good games available today than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► ever there yes they are a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► percentage of the overall thing and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► is this you know the ones that get most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► publicity and have awareness are those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► particularly sophisticated and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► appeal to those you know discerning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► gamers right that's what gets the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► but in terms of raw numbers I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► there are more great games now than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► there ever were simply because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► just more games overall so Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► continues if the definition of skills is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► simply a premium on fast reaction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► kill before being killed that leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► behind a whole other whole lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► skills usually ones that require some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► intelligence and at least value thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► over raw primal skills it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► they're being pushed into premium is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► just a different kind of skill barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► and the skill barrier I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► is it's much worse than like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► very few people can can play through one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► of those text adventure games or will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► play through them because they find them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► frustrating nothing interesting it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► just kind of obscure and you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► really into that kind of like people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► are into like super hard crossword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► puzzles most people like crossword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► puzzles but at a certain point you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► weeding everybody out and it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► well these people seek out the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► hard crossword puzzles because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► what they need to to be a challenge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► to be interesting to them right I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► talking more about games they really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► odd like I think journey is a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► broad game that anyone can appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► without any history in gaming knowing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► think about it except for the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► they can't successfully play it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► that's the frustrating thing to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► that that is not a really obscure thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► or what a bit that only a few people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► appreciate it but it's just regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► people being prevented from experiencing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► it because they lack these basic skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► to play games they really don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► anything to do with the game they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► assume that you're supposed to have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► he continues as someone who parents kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► I don't like kids playing such violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► trash and no World of Warcraft is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► analogous to pinochle this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► revelation drives me crazy and his final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► conclusion societies in decline we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► doomed but young people haven't figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► it out and there are too many older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► folks who will sell the young whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► they want so in reaction to this letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► I will quote this thing that I googled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► the heck out of to try to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► sourcing for but the Google results were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► totally destroyed by spammy reposting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► garbage results where they need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► their act together children the children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► now love luxury they have bad manners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► contempt for authority and they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► disrespect for elders and love chatter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► in place of exercise children out IRA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► not the servants of their households [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► they no longer rise when elders into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► room they contradict their parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► chatter before company gobble up dandies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► of the table across their legs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► tyrannize their teachers this probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► poorly translated probably misattributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► quote about the kids today often seen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► the Internet is attributed by Plato to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► Socrates around 420 BC so kids today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► it's eternal refrain what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► is bad they are badly behaved they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► into hell and handbasket Socrates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► thought it and 400-something BC every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► person thinks it today I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► it's any more or less true at any one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► those times I think world work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► analogous to pinochle in the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► I was discussing it which is the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► that certain things that you play as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► child you should stop playing as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► adult because they're frivolous and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► one seems to say that about pinochle as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► people continue to play it well into old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► age but for video games and media that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► generation of old people were young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► uh they think it's some crazy thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► the kids are doing and it surely it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► only for kids three generations and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► when we're three generations through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► adults you know we're long past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► point where adults of the vast majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► of gamers but many generations from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► from the people who were not alive uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► people who were alive when there were no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► video games all them are dead I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► will be more like pinochle ah Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► doesn't give any particular arguments on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► why it's not analogous to pinochle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► probably because pinochle existed before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► he was born but video games did not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► when I listen to myself in this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► we'll see how much about gaming I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► but I think I got it all this in my a my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► you're asking me you're the gear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► game or you're the expert I know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► the three Episode attempt to articulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► some half-formed topic that I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► have written about successfully because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► obviously I hadn't thought it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► enough and yet if we get three shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► worth of content under I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► it's interesting for me to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► again getting back to Merlin's thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► the podcast being like a first draft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► your ideas I think this is you select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► the exercise is produced a lot of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► thoughtful feedback and and blog posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► and tweets about it so I hope people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► enjoyed it as people people loved your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► discussion of gaming they wish there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► a gaming show and they wish you would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► it yeah well you know I can't do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► gaming show end this show and as I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► I've discussed this before but you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► bringing it up so I'll talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► again the reason I don't think I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► do a regular gaming podcast is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► play enough games gaming and gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5938">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► podcast people want to hear about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► know what do you think about this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► and every time that would come up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► would say I don't know I haven't played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► it I don't know I haven't played it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► don't know I haven't played it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► plan to play it I'm not qualified to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► that no let me let me let me toss out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► idea for you it's just an idea you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► gonna have to run with this if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► to do it but here's my response to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► statement which you repeat every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► what if we were to start a Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► project so that those interested could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► subsidize a salary for you to do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► assuming we could not get any sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► for it and they could raise enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► you know create a salary for you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► several years and then you could do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► gaming show and you would have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► time because now you're in all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► free time whatever your hands could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► could be spent playing games and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► you could talk about them yeah you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► correct we found the other problem which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► is that even if I had unlimited time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► could I actually physically play all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► these games probably not probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► yeah do you do you know how what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► physical limits would be without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► know creating an injury those who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► know we're talking about John and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► don't know the episode number offhand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► maybe you remember it number six I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► okay so episode I'll verify that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► episode number six you detail the RSI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► issues that you have and that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► frivolous things yes RSI travel phobia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► I'll put that into the show notes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► detail that you have some issues with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► RSI and that is why you dictate many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► your long articles that you write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► Mac os10 it's also a limiting factor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► how many games you could play as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► how much typing you can do but what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► you were to if you were no longer typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► at work if your work was playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► perhaps it would balance out perhaps if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► the audience is serious enough they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► could raise another I don't know to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► more games but probably not enough to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► like I see how many games like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► actual gamer he was like Ben Kuchera who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► spending our kid he plays a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► number of games I know how long he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► playing the games because I know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► long these games take to complete and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► know which games he's completed right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► and I just could not take that much just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► just could I mean it even comes up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► typing like when I'm doing documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► at work that involves a lot more typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► the programming because it is less like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► pausing to think or moving around or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► compiling or like clicking around in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► web browser you know what I mean because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► documentation is just like writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► straight yeah a good a good programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► you might even say a good programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► doesn't type that much yeah well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► it's not it the very least there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► break so I find even just when I doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► lots of documentation that starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► reaching my limits if I was playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► video game with a controller for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► amount of time I could not now so mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► the reason I don't think I do a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► thing is I don't think I'm qualified you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► obviously disagree many other listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► disagree but I think the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► person here is whether I think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► qualified and I wouldn't I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► especially since that's such a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► with Kickstarter where people are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► worried like some given all this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► I'm actually gonna get anything I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► know I don't think I'm qualified new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6117">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► gaming podcast and I think gaming is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► on topic ish for this thing and whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► we want to talk about gaming we can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► know that's fine you know but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► listeners will have to accept that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► I mean sometimes we'll talk about file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► systems you know you never know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► you're gonna get you don't know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► mixed bag yeah outside not the analogy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► would use it it's not the expression I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► would use box of chocolates yeah man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► we're getting better mixed bag is as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► negative connotations because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► some good and some bad it's an unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► all right are we done I was I do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► few more little things we want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► them but we can stop here if you'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► to I mean let's have what would wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► minute what is a few more little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► I got the Dropbox app store retract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► Instagram and then some like remainder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► stuff so another couple hours well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► know it's up to you we can we can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► done here I'll save those for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► show if you want or I can do one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► or show you do what you and do do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► have a schedule today you need to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► them I do but I'm already late for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► appointment so now at this point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► know well the whole day a whole day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► screwed so whatever you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► everyone do it let's do it go for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► let's do another couple hours now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► should stop then if you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► something no that's it I'm already I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► already think I had to cancel it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► it's right I'm already late well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► know you were late to start this I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► I'm pre camp Abed entirely on my own not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► entirely I assume to just just drop bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► Dropbox app store rejections cuz I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► that will be short let's see let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► don't limit yourself people love it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► you go when you when you do like a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► three hour show I mean that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► people really look that's what they line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► up for that's his listeners want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► I've done three hour uncomparable z-- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► but they were split into two shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► that's something you could sit it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► could take these long ones you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► break it up into two shows a live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► listeners to get to hear at all but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► other one else has to wait but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► would we would we not do another show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► the following week I don't know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► double it up you can start banking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► things you know give yourself some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► off by by working a little bit harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► that's right or actually working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► same amount but just putting a cut in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► the middle of the fun I say do do both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► of the topics do the Dropbox thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► do the Instagram thing all right we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► see so the Dropbox apps are reductions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► know you did talk about this your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► applications submitted to the iOS app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► store that are being rejected because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► within the interface there's some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► of Dropbox integration and when you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► to integrating you don't have an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► it says you know enter your login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► information here but if you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► an account you know go here and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► eventually leads you to a Dropbox page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► where you you know enter information and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► even though Dropbox accounts are free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► there's also a way to give them money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► and apples rejecting it because under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► the umbrella of if you have an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► application you can't solicit money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► people through a web interface so Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► Kindle application can't link the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► amazon.com to buy books you can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► link to the web page like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► certainly you can't do it in the UI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► can't have like a built-in UI a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► he booked reader called e-reader or he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► broke the original version of it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► contractor and they had an interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► inside it where without leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► application you could buy ebooks which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► makes perfect sense right but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► eventually put you know cut that out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► I was like alright everyone everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► says I can't do that we'll just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► link to our website go here to get books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► and you tap there and it launches mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► zafar and you can buy books and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► said no no we don't like that either no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► no going elsewhere and so now people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► just do merely doing integration with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► Dropbox using their SDK or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► apparently is some standard part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► SDK that eventually leads you to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► screen on the Dropbox website which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► could potentially optionally take some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► money from you if you wanted to pay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► money for you know a non free Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► account and Apple's putting the hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► down those saying no no no you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► that so Gruber talked a lot about how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► doesn't think this is a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► attack on Dropbox and I agree it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► some sort of particular Vendetta because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► apples trying to move into the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► storage space or anything it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► natural extension of their existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► policy on things but the place where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► suggesting and I think you might agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► with me a little bit more on this when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► you're talking about it seemed like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► were more in my side is it's not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► the 30% cut it's not like Oh apples got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► to get there 30% cut the Apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► make money off 30% cut of sales like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► that's just enough to keep the lights on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► for the business Apple makes all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► money are selling hardware the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► money they make off software and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► services is negligible compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► rest of their money I think people ought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► to think about that anything relating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► iTunes or any of that as just break even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► well if they and I think that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► Apple thinks of it is either slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► losing money or break even if they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► little bit better then yeah we did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► little bit better but for them it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► all part of selling hardware this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► vehicle to selling hardware yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► like it doesn't mean they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► about it where Apple makes its money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► doesn't mean like oh that's their entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► focus and they don't care about software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► that they care about everything but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► the place you know the place where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► money comes from isn't the thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► concentrate on that's one of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► things about Apple is like just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► they make all their money from power it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► doesn't mean I will then forget the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► software screw that we don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6417">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► services they see it all as a piece and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► where the money happens to come from is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► just kind of like well that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► where we can happen to make money uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► so they're not optimizing their entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► company just in the part they're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► money for but it's clear that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► not some sort of strategy like oh geez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► the future of the company depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► getting those 30% cuts because they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► clearly seen with the way car things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► currently are now the big money they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► their income comes from what they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► the profits they get on hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► they need to do all this other stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► now if that shifted someday if suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► like their Hardware margins disappeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► and the software volumes drastically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► increase and suddenly they're making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► vast majority of the money from this 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► cut then that argument be true like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► they had needs a 3% cut but at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► point it's not about getting the 30% cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► of everything because getting or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► getting a 30% cut of like ebooks sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► and stuff it's not going to make or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► break their business they could double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► their software revenues it would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► be totally dwarfed by the iPhone alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► right it's just not the way their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► business is structured now and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► think they're trying to shift their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► business so that we feel uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► making all this hard this profit or hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6478">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► would we rather make the profit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► softwares or our services if anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► think it's the other way I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► is the master of its own destiny much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► more in the hardware market than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► are and trying to get a cut of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► people's sales because that is a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► more tenuous business where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► have control over all the factors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► have to rely on people submitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► applications to you and selling to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► store and so on Laura I'm by the way one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► side tangent there that ruber was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► to express how a 30% cut was not tenable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► for people who are selling ebooks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► Amazon can't sell ebooks through the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► like you know in-app purchase thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► because doesn't work financially you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► tried to give an example and couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► I should have researched this better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► just listening to the podcast back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► I was in the e-book business way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► when in 2000 I can give you an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► couldn't have done a 30% cut and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► was because and I don't know people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► tell me in various emails which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► these things I'm I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► the agency model or not the agency model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► or whatever I'm just going to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► how things were in 2002 and why at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► time this this 30 percent cut would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► have worked and I assume the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► situation is if not identical then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► financially speaking the publishers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► would give us e books and we would sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► them and when we sold one we would owe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► them a percentage of the list price for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► that ebook so let's say the list price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► is $10 to make it simple right and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► needed like you know a 30% it's this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► these aren't real numbers but a 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► percent royalty right so when we sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► that book we needed to give them $3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► right but nobody would sell the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► for list price everyone had the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► book and everyone wanted to sell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► cheap as possible so what's the cheapest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► you can possibly sell that book for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► can sell that book for three dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► one cent give the three dollars for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► publisher and make one cent back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► because of competition among booksellers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► the prices really drove themselves down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► so yeah the list price may have been ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► dollars but everyone selling the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► like three dollars and fifty cents three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► dollars and 99 cents because they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► they owe the publisher three dollars no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► matter what and it's like well how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6597">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► profit can I eat out of that by driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► my prices down because you drive your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► prices down you get more customers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► publisher three dollars and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► selling the books for like three dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► and 50 cents or whatever there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► you can give another three dollars to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► Apple right because then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► raise your price to six dollars and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► cent to make one sense of profit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► you'd be out of business you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► would lose the people who are continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► to sell it for three dollars and fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► cents it would just be so much cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► so that's an example not maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► not the way it is now but that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► example of how there just isn't a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► three another 30% to go to anybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► these cases I think now I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► start talking out of my butt I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► problem with Amazon was that Amazon was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► selling books below cost and losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► money in every sale thus driving down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► the perceived value of e-books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► making it more difficult for publishers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► to sell their ebooks at higher prices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► other vendors and they didn't like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► and so I think the model they have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► the publishers are forcing the sellers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► to sell it at a certain amount not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► asking for a particular percentage but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► think either of those models due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► competition makes situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► there's just not another 30% cut for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► another middleman because Amazon is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► reseller and they want to cut up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► the sales and the publisher wants their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► piece and if Apple wants another piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► is just it's not it's untenable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► prices go up too high right so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► know if there's any better than grouper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► there but I do know that my example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► gave about the when I was in eBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► industry was accurate in 2002 and is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► is one example of how there might not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► enough room for another person to cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► allowing you to go someplace else to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► money even in like the silly example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► where it's like so indirect where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► really you know you just it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6701">TS</a>]
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01:51:44 ◼ ► lead you to get a Dropbox account that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► happens to possibly ask you for money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► and how ridiculous it is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► stopping that it's not about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► wanting a piece of that money because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► think in many of these cases especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► in ebooks Apple knows it's never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► see a cut of that like it's not dumb it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► didn't like say AHA now we're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► 30% cut of all ebooks and was all sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► when nobody started selling ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► through in-app purchase they know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► know the realities of the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► better than any way they have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► yeah Apple can sell them in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► because they don't know themselves you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► competitive advantage and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► Apple strategy tax thing that I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► about a while ago but they knew they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► weren't going to get that 30 percent cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► so enforcing this rule is not a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► them to we need to turn the screw so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► can get some of that money all you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► doing is driving those people out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► many people say you're making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► experience worse because it wouldn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► be better if on an iOS device inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► Kindle app you could buy books wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► that be better for everybody what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► Apple's problem isn't apples making its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► user experience but like oh it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► about the user experience we want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► be nice well isn't it aren't you making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6759">TS</a>]
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01:52:44 ◼ ► inside my Kindle app it's it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► it's anti user and you know and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► why people start thinking well we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► it's not good for the users because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► obviously we'd all like to buy our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► ebooks inside the Kindle app so what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► Apple's motivation oh they must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► greedy they want a 30% cut and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► not letting you sell it or they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► they want to provide an advantage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► their book store which can sell inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6779">TS</a>]
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01:53:03 ◼ ► does that but they certainly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► because they make the rules right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► they don't know themselves an extra 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6785">TS</a>]
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01:53:12 ◼ ► perhaps a misguided but I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► actual motivation for this rule set is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► is user focused and what they want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► they want when you launch an app not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6801">TS</a>]
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01:53:24 ◼ ► tapping an icon on the home screen it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► not one of those little website things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► anything inside that application or from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► that application Apple wants to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► that experience and the reason they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► to is not so they can make money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► everybody or not so they can provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► advantage for the iBook store but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► so everyone who uses an iOS device knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► what to expect and feels comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► spending money inside applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► the lack of fear like not being afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► to spend stuff is good for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► selling anything on the platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► what they're trying to event is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6837">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► they have this Populi popular platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► like Hegelians of applications are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► sold who wouldn't want to be in on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► they're trying to prevent their gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► platform with tons of users and tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► people from being hijacked by people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► basically just want to spam you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► waste is to make money make money fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► like in this in their nightmare scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► every single app you buy in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► you can't tap on anything without being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► sent somewhere to put money and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► using Apple's payment frameworks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► every time I launch an app someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► asking me for money and I don't know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► these people are and I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► websites are sending me to and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► want to spend money in any apps because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► I know that every single time I launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► an application I like collecting money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► give me money here give me money there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► and it's like I under my credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► here enter my credit card there yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► hook this up to PayPal I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► I'm doing anymore I'm so terrified that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► I don't want to spend money in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► application this I think is what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► is trying to prevent they do not want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► that that's a great way to make money if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► you know you have a massive platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► with tons of users everyone wants to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► launch my application you know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6895">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► says like the worst the example they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► have now is the ones you launch where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6898">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► it's like give me a five star rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► that's annoying as hell but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► they're not asking for money it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► people off of rating things and makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► people hate the application and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► but at least they're not asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► money if they open this door every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► application we spouting some money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► begging thing that would send you off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► their own website scammy or not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► Apple can't control and the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► would be that people would be afraid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► ever give any application money Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► afraid to do an in-app purchase never be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► afraid to spend money they wanted you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► be confident that it's going through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► iTunes thing that you know that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► you buy apps that's how you buy music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► how you buy movies is how you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► everything it you know it's your Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► ID there's only one way to do it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► solid you know experience that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:36 ◼ ► control that everyone's comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6936">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► and that I think it actually is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► everyone who's on the platform uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► and it's you know that you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► people to be afraid to spend money I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► think if if people left their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► devices they would make everyone afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► to spell money and there would be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► period where they would be this gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► rush where they take money off from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► people like crazy and then everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► basically say always it's now accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6956">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► wisdom in society that don't give money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► in application those are all scam right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► that's not the way it is now people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► doing that purchases and feel ok with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► them and people make a lot of money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► and they're not being scammed and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► an experience that Apple control so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► don't know what the solution is here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► think you should be able to buy books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► inside the Kindle app but I but the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► motivation I see for Apple not allowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► this is because they don't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► application to spawn some random third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► party insert money here thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► think that is a nightmare scenario and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► think it there it that would happen so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► don't know where the balance is between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► those do things I do want to buy Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6992">TS</a>]
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01:56:36 ◼ ► season anybody collect money in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/6996">TS</a>]
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01:56:42 ◼ ► no I wasn't too bad you agree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7002">TS</a>]
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01:56:46 ◼ ► the they want their 30% cut because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► that's just when you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7008">TS</a>]
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01:56:52 ◼ ► think this is something that it were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► int and you've touched on this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► we've won last I mean we've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7016">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► this issue more or less before is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7018">TS</a>]
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01:57:07 ◼ ► described it as a safety you want people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► to feel completely secure and relaxed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► ecosystem and what Apple has done is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► they've provided a technique they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► provided a system by which anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► would like to can sell something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► they are doing whatever makes the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► sense not for the businesses or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7047">TS</a>]
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01:57:31 ◼ ► but for the experience of the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► there the user shouldn't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► or care how this stuff happens behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► the scenes and Apple says well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7060">TS</a>]
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01:57:46 ◼ ► in the process and if the publishers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7066">TS</a>]
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01:57:51 ◼ ► the companies that are out there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► want to get this into the users hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► that those are the ones that will pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7076">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► the price because we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► sure that this works and you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► going to make a little bit of money off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► of it too and if you don't want to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► your stuff to these users in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► that we've created then don't not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► nobody's forcing them to do it right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7089">TS</a>]
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01:58:17 ◼ ► you know yes they are controlling it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► I think it is fair to say that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:24 ◼ ► attitude but they're doing it at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7104">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► with who the way that they think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► the user experience is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► safest most beneficial and the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► and I just thought of a possible middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► ground here I was given all this given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► these two tensions here yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► know if this even helps like what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► talking about like they're if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► going to sell through Apple's thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► just they need some money to cover cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► rather the question is do they need 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► for in-app purchases well I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► they do I mean I and again how much does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► it really cost Apple to do this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► doesn't really cost them anything really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► subsidized like you don't know like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► not a direct relationship like in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► infrastructure to run in that purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► is everything sub size is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► else so even just within the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► selling software through App Store's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► there's a lot of expenses involved with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► that and that maybe you don't get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► input to cover like you know hosting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► bandwidth or something but that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► from you know so it you know budgeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► and where the money comes from that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► scenario where Apple decides to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► 0% for in-app purchases or do do special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► deals to charge 0% for net purchases or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► something like that right how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► change the landscape you still have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► go through the app store so Apple gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► experience where applications are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► send you to some random place to insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► money like that's what they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► the only place you can give money as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► must use apple's infrastructure with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► their accounts with their trusted thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► like it's a familiar experience so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7196">TS</a>]
01:59:58 ◼ ► don't get that nightmare scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7198">TS</a>]
01:59:58 ◼ ► don't get that nightmare scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7198">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► and then Amazon can sell books through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► the starve is like sure we'll pay 0% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► thumbs up right and they love it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► they sell way more books and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► loves it n-- everybody's happy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► iBooks people probably like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► whatever what what's the downside is oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► you just lost that 30% cut now and since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► we're saying that 30% cut isn't that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► of a deal like what about that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:21 ◼ ► would Apple be willing to do that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7221">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► maybe if it was if they perceived as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► like our platform is lesser because some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► competing platform allows you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► to buy Kindle books inside the app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► we don't uh like if they would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► feel some sort of pressure to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► because they're not gonna give up a 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► cut voluntarily they're not gonna drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► her 2-0 voluntarily they have to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► some sort of pressure to do that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► the pressure is there from you having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► crappy app experience like nah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► you you're in the Kindle app and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► like this unspoken thing you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► can you can get more books we can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► you how but like if you look at the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► and the logo and just put it calm stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► shaking apples watching but you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:01 ◼ ► books so like it's it's silly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7261">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► ridiculous yeah like that it a salute a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► solution would be Apple doesn't take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► now maybe that's not financially tenable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► maybe Apple doesn't want to turn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► business into a big money loser because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► taking away all that 30% like if you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► costs are significant they just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► small in the pie chart that Horace puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► up because the other part of the pie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► again ho jillion dollars but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:26 ◼ ► they're big in terms of real money so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7286">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► would Apple really want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► long-term business where they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► they're losing money like aw don't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► that'll become of our hardware cost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► and then someday their business changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► and they can't make that kind of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► in hardware any more they would regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► that and it's kind of hard to turn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► back to say oh remember when we said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► your percent cut on in app purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► everything changes so true reformed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► Apple is very cautious about this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► that that scenario is one that I imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► would solve everything for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► except for Apple money wise and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► don't know how big of a deal that is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7315">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► I again I think there needs to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► sort of pressure from the dude then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7317">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► far they don't field I think the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► they don't feel it is because the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► well Android at least has a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► of a nightmare scenario going on in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► where it is kind of the Wild West and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► spending money and people do buy mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► like apple says well we don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► need to compete with that because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► already providing a better experience no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► it's not better in terms of you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► buy Kindle app since I can't buy Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► books inside the Kindle app but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► better than the other way so we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► we're still ahead of them so they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► feel that pressure right but if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► was a competing platform that had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► the same advantages but then also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► if someone if someone else did this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► know equal Apple the other measures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► which is very difficult to do but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► gave 0% of in-app purchases to itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► pressure but right now I doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► like they're feeling the pressure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► they're just going to say oh just well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► we'll get along like this it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► people will find a way to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► Kindle books and we're kind of happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► that the iBook store doesn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► actually I'm gonna I'm gonna boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► Instagram for the next show to to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► big to be a big topic I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► that big but I'm gonna I'm gonna boot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► just so I can give my friend here is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► heckling in me during the show which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► appreciated his first plate of piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► heckling is that apparently I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► fairly unique in the show which made his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► brain explode I apologize for that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► no sense you're right and the next bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► is about why another aspect of why it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► bad for games not to be considered art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► from the perspective of gamers and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► looking at it from the perspective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► obscenity and the the Jack Thompson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► stuff he was that uh excuse me disbarred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► lawyer who was trying to like sue video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► game makers for making violent video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► games and stuff like that well generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► in the courts if something has artistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► merit it's not obscene legally that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► why he is the example he gives the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► like Lolita are not attacked to child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7434">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► pornography I think they are attacked of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► child pornography but in general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7437">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► know when something has the the stamp of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► art on it it's harder to attack for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► being obscene just like all that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► has artistic merit it's not just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► incorporates elements that are similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► to the you know I mean and so if games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► are not art they're much more open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► antisocial or otherwise unworthy and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► think that's that's a good point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► puritanical American culture and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:29 ◼ ► weird legal system but it is a practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7469">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► concern I mean he says I should do 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► minutes in Farmville which I decline I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► think that's enough for one show it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► lot of gaming love Dropbox a lot of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► can't even remember what the first a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► of Ruby a lot of Ruby in motion these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► she points out that Australia has even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► worse crazy game obscenity laws and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:52 ◼ ► agree they also have spiders and snakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7492">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► so there's that what do you say we uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► button this one up alright they say as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipna2LVU/7499">TS</a>]
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