00:00:02 ◼ ► you are listening to hypercritical it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2">TS</a>]
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00:00:16 ◼ ► about by my co-host John siracusa like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/16">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► said it's episode number 65 today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/20">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► Friday April 27th 2012 I'm Dan benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► what to say thanks very much to our two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/26">TS</a>]
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00:00:45 ◼ ► day to you captain siracusa now as john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► didn't we do this already i don't recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► it i'm pretty sure we did but no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/52">TS</a>]
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00:00:58 ◼ ► that's enough is enough what's not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/58">TS</a>]
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00:01:13 ◼ ► follow-up today but I thought I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/73">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► start with something that could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/76">TS</a>]
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00:01:20 ◼ ► segment thought we'd talk a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/80">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► about WWDC you did get your ticket so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► let's just get that out there you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► Wednesday was going to be the day the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► tickets would go on sale my previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► theory based on no information was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/95">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► they would go and sale a similar time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► when I went on sale last year so around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► the 28th I was waiting for them to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► out and that didn't happen I'm like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► so now I have no idea when they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/105">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► to be and then I started to hear I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► things things about Wednesday and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► come Wednesday I'm like what to do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► Wednesday should I wake up early and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/114">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► make sure I get to work by 9:00 o'clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► tickets or should I just stay home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► you know they go on sale 9:00 I'll buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► them take five minutes and then be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► little bit late to work and I decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/127">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► wake up early so I woke up early got got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► would be there by nine o'clock and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► 8:40 sitting in my car I had my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/134">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► out and sitting in the little you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► center console bin the little thing goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► off look it's the WWC Alerts tweet and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/141">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► said a very bad word very loudly in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► car because at that point I was sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► in front of a light in traffic not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► moving and I had moved in awhile and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► continued to sit there watching that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/155">TS</a>]
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00:02:40 ◼ ► up half a car length three or four feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► pause it 18 minutes basically i sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► there looking at that light but luckily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► I had a contingency plan my contingency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► plan was that vote first of all I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/172">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► already signed my wife up for WC alerts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► as well and the second contingency plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► was to just get in touch with her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► have her buy tickets from wherever she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Christmas right that's what happened I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► called her I said they're for sale I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► gave her my ABC login information and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► she bought sticks for me and so by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/191">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► time I actually got to work like 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► minutes later I all I had left to do was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► you know Hotel in plain which was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► expensive this year than last year it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► kind of a shame yeah although this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► they had the thing where Apple maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► they had last year I just didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/212">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► about it Apple has discounted rates for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/213">TS</a>]
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00:03:37 ◼ ► those reseller services that gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► like a discount and that ended up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/219">TS</a>]
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00:03:43 ◼ ► thing this year Apple had their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/223">TS</a>]
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00:03:47 ◼ ► than you would have got if you went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► through on your own so I'm staying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/229">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► exactly the same place I was staying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► last year which is a little far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► from me but I'll survive do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/233">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► tell me offline which place that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► because I must I must know these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► all right and that the story this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/238">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► about WTC is not about whether I got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/242">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► complaining and gnashing of teeth about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► everybody on the west coast you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► just ever like even the people who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► tickets some of them just think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► ridiculous you know I got tickets I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/255">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► think it's kind of silly and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► kind of soul-searching about what what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► going on with Debbie Rose it was what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► the purpose of this obviously there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/262">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► way more demand than there is supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► sold out in two hours if you graph this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► like 2008 was the first time I sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► or something and then it was like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► sold out in two weeks and they sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► in two days then they sold out in 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► hours now they sold out in two hours you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► graph that you can see like soon they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► be selling out you know five years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► microseconds or something obviously it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/281">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► not possible because of the speed of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► website they have selling them but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/284">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► general it's like that we have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► here in terms of supply and demand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► some people come in all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► like oddly lots of people have plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► designed to make sure that they get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► ticket and other people don't oh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/295">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► should be based on the age of your atc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/297">TS</a>]
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00:04:59 ◼ ► successful app in the store all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/299">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► things like that some one person even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/303">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► suggested a lottery which i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► because that's just yeah you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/307">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► this is kind of like WWE alerts service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► in general this was a service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► somebody put up i I should have known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► these people's name but I don't but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► was a Twitter account WWC alerts you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► go to a web site and you enter in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/321">TS</a>]
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00:05:25 ◼ ► send your text when your saying you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► you did get one right you did receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► your say I had now again I signed up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► this just so that I could participate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► the excitement of the event I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► have any intention of buying tickets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► I didn't buy any tickets but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► have yet to receive my text message I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► waiting hoping that I will still get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/344">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► you're not gonna get oh well I guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► could be held up in the carrier but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► the thing people annoyed about with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► texts is i hey i got my text telling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► tickets are for sale but i got them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/355">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► after the thing was already sold out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► that kind of defeats the purpose and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► they weren't sure her to be mad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► should i be mad at WWC alerts because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► they didn't send me my text until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► secretary sold out show i met at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► carrier because the text was sent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► the carrier held on to it before sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/369">TS</a>]
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00:06:13 ◼ ► asked on Twitter what the deal is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► the with the alerts Inc then again by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► the way this is a free service done out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► of the goodness of someone's heart you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/379">TS</a>]
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00:06:25 ◼ ► got and the person who runs it said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► they sent out tweets and first-come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/389">TS</a>]
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00:06:37 ◼ ► the most rabid crazy people who signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/397">TS</a>]
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00:06:44 ◼ ► got their their text sent first they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► could still have problems if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/407">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► carrier held on to it or if their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/408">TS</a>]
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00:06:51 ◼ ► but I would imagine the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► people who are getting their texts later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/414">TS</a>]
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00:06:59 ◼ ► signed up later so I signed up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/419">TS</a>]
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00:07:02 ◼ ► signed my wife up I think just later in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► that same day or so it wasn't that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► of a gap between when I signed up when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► my wife signed up but she didn't get her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► text until long long after I got mine so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and then of course is the wild card of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► carriers holding texts for some amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► of time which no one can you know make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► any termination of so the WDC alerts is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► like WWC itself and that the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► strategy they're using is the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► want it more have a higher chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► getting it not guaranteed but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► of like if you have a movie theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► thing where it's like well people line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► up overnight to go see some movie or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► line up overnight to get in to Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► keynote or whatever right those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► people who are the most crazy and rabid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► and it's first come first serve and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► get in if you don't get in you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► oh this is BS I'm not gonna stay up over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► you know it's it's kind of sorting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► itself out in terms of enthusiasm now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► again it's not a guarantee because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► are plenty people who signed up for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► service the second they saw it and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/478">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► like multiple alarms and had their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► things set up to scrape apples website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► and write all them in every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► you know and told all the friends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► text them and tell them and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► like they happen to be like at a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► range or asleep or they got the text too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► late or you know there's so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► they can stop you from getting and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► people are said and I would be very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► about that too so what's the what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► started a lot of soul-searching at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/501">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► tickets about WWDC itself and as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► conference outgrown its usefulness or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► its current incarnation it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► doesn't make sense anymore or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► something is to change about it it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/517">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► like because you know if it's if every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/518">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► year an increasingly smaller fraction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► the total people who want to go end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► going that seems bad to me because even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► if those are the most enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► fraction is that what Apple wants out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► so it's trying to think about what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/533">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► point of WBC is so there's a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► aspects obviously one is that developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► go there to get help with doing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► job they learn things about developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► for the platforms that Apple promotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/547">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► they get to ask questions in person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/548">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► people who write the code that they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/551">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► presumably all of this is more valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► than the same thing you would get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► developer services or from watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► videos or you know sending emails or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► whatever because even if you could email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► particular framework you're using you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/570">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► having some sort of core foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► problem and you can talk to the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► wrote core foundation was the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► author of it and the main lead on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► on the team that created it knows a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► about it right even if you could email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► that guy directly that doesn't scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► because that guy doesn't have time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► answer all your emails so here at WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► that guy takes a week off of his normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► job basically to answer in person as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► but that's limited by how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/592">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► attend the conference so if if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► tried to go like virtual like okay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► available for virtual WWC everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► email away it doesn't work because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► whole point is that dude can't answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► 8,000 emails a day you can only you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► talk to a limited number of people day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/608">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► matches up with howhow much can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► that you talk to that guy some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/615">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► are harder to get to know this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/616">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► basically over the course of an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/617">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► week if you are one of the lucky 5,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► or whatever attendees of WABC you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► find and talk to the one guy you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► an apple or the two guys or whoever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► can make it happen but if it was ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► thousand people would that be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► twenty thousand thirty thousand seventy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► thousand like packs at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/634">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► there aren't enough Apple employees for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► the people to get what they wanted out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► of it but but clearly but with the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► that it is now that's something that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► conference is for it's for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► who are lucky enough to go to get extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► special help with their applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► to learn things in a way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► couldn't without the conference the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► second aspect is Apple is evangelizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► to developers this is a place for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/659">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► development community to do whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/665">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► wants them to do adopt this API stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► using this API revise your applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► for the iPad for the retina iPhone get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► your applications off carbon and onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► cocoa whatever the thing is that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► is trying to get all the developers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► do to bring its platform forward here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► a chance for them to evangelize directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► to them and I think Apple also believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► that this is a better way to evangelize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► in terms of effectiveness than sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► them emails or communicating through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► technical documentation and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/695">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► things are deprecated or you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/696">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► because this is engineers talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/698">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► engineers in person and that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► you know we're human beings and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/706">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► a persuasive aspect of that that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► persuasive than hearing the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► on a video or reading it in an email or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► reading it technical documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► having a person up on stage pitching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► basically what Apple wants them to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► very effective and presumably if these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► developers who really want to get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► developers of the rest of the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► so if you can convince these guys it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► will spread outward for them to the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► of the community another aspect of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► is that this is one of the WDC is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► the rare may be the only time that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► collective entity to explain to you why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► they do things and pretty much if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► know in a public place like if you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► developer right not in like a late-night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► bar where somebody's yeah you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► given a lot of alcohol or even like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► technical support incident where you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► be the guy will talk to you about stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► that's like all under NDA and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/768">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► between you hit these people are on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► stage or in a public place and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► ask them about it and they'll they'll at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► this point they will explain to you oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/776">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► we did this because X Y & Z there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/777">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► public version of that in the keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► when Jobs would go up and say we believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► that the future is X Y and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► there's like the public pitch that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/784">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► want the New York Times to write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► the big message for their thing but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► developer level you can say why is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► API like this is it because it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► leftover and you haven't converted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► from C to Objective C yet or is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► because like you can find out just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/796">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► because the head of that team really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/797">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► than objective-c like you can argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► them about it like when else do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► a chance for them to actually tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► why they're doing things and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► I feel like me feel they can do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/809">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► this sort of safe environment because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► who really cares like it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/812">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► be a New York Times story about C versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► Objective C ap is right so it's not a PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► problem and they'll tell you they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► like well you know I mean maybe they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/820">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► because you're pressed but like they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/824">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► they'll be upfront with you and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/825">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► they'll acknowledge problem area is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► another thing you almost never see or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► you talk to Apple developers engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and even hole heads of departments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► they'll be very candid to you at WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► about alia that's crappy we totally need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► to fix that and that was a big mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/839">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► we we wanted to do that but we found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► was a horrible mistake and now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► stuck with trying to deprecate that api [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► or you know depending on how much how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► many drinks you've had with the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/848">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► maybe they'll even tell you oh like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► was a jerk knee insist that I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► this this way and we change it into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► that way and he got annoyed and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► to a different group like all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► down to individual gossip but but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► the way up to on stage in front of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► and granted all this stuff is under NDA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/862">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► - but it's like more public because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► there's hundreds or thousands of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► there it's as far as I'm aware it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► communication with an entity that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► everybody and only letting out very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► controlled pieces of information so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► if that's what WTF see is the valley's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► things I describe what is there anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► replace our multiple things maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► you replace it with that provides all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/890">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► configurations like if you had a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► everything live but then they took like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► live video questions then could you ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► your questions in person then but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► you wouldn't be seeing them like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► person in person and you couldn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► drink with them afterwards and does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► evangelizing network as well and does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/910">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► that not scale because everyone can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► get a chance to answer that question or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► do you do the virtual conference that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/914">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► also an in-person conference or you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/915">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► communicating with developers to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► open all the time so WABC isn't the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► place where you can get this candid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/923">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► exchange of information I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► answer is or maybe you just keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/927">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► like this or do you double the size w2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► BC and it still works when it's doubled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► but it wouldn't work of as tripled or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► we've seen it happen with many shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► with South by Southwest and with e3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/936">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► where these shows go through a cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► where they're they're popular they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► bigger and bigger and then they implode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► and then they court of go away for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► while and then come back so South by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► Southwest hasn't imploded yet but I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/946">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► that out in their future if we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► implode went away came back but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► implosion of e3 kind of led not directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► but indirectly it helped boost packs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► have like an alternate conference about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/959">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► everything and there are tons of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/960">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► conferences that alternatives at WABC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► but it's tough to really ever come close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/963">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► to replacing a business the one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► officially sponsored by Apple where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► Apple people are there and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/968">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► you so I don't know what the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► here I just I think this is an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► that will come up a lot in conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► at WWC this year and I think the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► at Apple probably are thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► I think they've got a few more years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► they can continue like this but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► certain point it becomes kind of silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/986">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► and maybe even the people who get to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► might be going to get a little cranky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► about it and saying this is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► ridiculous you know this year I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► even going to try to stay up and get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► text and try to get a ticket you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► and of course the simple solution that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► including me is so you have a supply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► demand problem raised the price takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► care of it right away doesn't it keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► raising the price until you just barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► sell out problem solved not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► because that's favoring rich developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► from big companies and is that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► who Apple wants to talk to are they the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► biggest influencers for Apple's purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► probably not so if that was the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► problem it was just a supply and demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► problem they could solve it just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► raising the price but I think they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► have to raise it pretty darn high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► actually to get the to get it not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► sell out or just just to barely sell out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► who wants to spend $10,000 for a ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► today very sick you know twenty thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► dollars how high does it have to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► keep people away I do not recommend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► approach but that would be the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► economists solution to this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► imbalance as long as I thought it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► be but I thought I thought it was worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► talking about it did you do a talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► already this week we talked about WC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► yeah we talked about a little bit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► you know John indicated that he got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► ticket and didn't really have much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► solution himself or was clearly it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► yeah and I don't know how big of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► problem it is or if it's just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► we're close to the event but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► that the people even the people who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► tickets think it's a problem I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► indicates that it really is and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► Apple probably agrees this is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► thing we'll be able to talk to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► about WABC whoever's in charge this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► thing is talked to the head of developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► relations guy and if they go yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► know it's a problem and they'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► discuss it with you or they'll say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► are you talking about what problem seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► fine to me and then you will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► learned something that you wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► you know when WWDC was started you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► Apple was not in the position that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► in today right now and you you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► think back to the way that it was it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► that I don't I don't know when what year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► it actually was the first year that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► sold out but there were plenty of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► before I ever went where it didn't sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► something that only only the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► interested dedicated Apple developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► would even consider going to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► like this you know people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► already making a living from building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► Mac application that these were the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► people who would even consider going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► something like that and they would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► and it was great and it was small it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► personal and then even even before iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► happened even before there was an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► it started to get much more popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► now it's become something that's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► unwieldy I wonder if they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► even created WWDC in the first place if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► they were such a large company I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► have been something completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► that they would have made I think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► smart thing they have done is not in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► straightforward manner of so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► more demand for our conference let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► sell more tickets and buy a bigger venue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► is that's what South by Southwest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► III both yeah right it was just money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► money money so at the very least Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► has shown at least the wisdom to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► think they probably have increased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► attendance a lot since the thing started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► but they haven't gone well let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► turn that knob up until you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► mean isn't there's not a 20,000 person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► wacc and I think they could sell 20,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► just need a much bigger venue but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► haven't done that to to apples credit so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► in typical Apple Manor the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► action is no action and no communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► until they figure out what they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► to do they don't scramble they don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► the obvious thing that they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► everyone should do or just make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► conference bigger and you know put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► a Superdome or something I don't so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► not sure what's what's happening there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► but we all have we all have our eye on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► and it's interesting that we have our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► eye on it more now than we did last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► because last year was like what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► sold out in two days or something but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► just maybe there were fewer people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► wanted tickets who didn't get them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► that was the impression but once it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► down to a couple of hours I guess we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► crossed the threshold of of anger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► resentment in the community that now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► we're all talking about this so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► something that I want to mention that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► it's obvious but it's something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► worth mentioning and that is Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► not Apple probably loses money or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► least they lose productivity so in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► sense they're probably losing money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► WWDC this is not a money-making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► this is not even a blip in where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► make their money from the unlike South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► by Southwest which is the conference it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► exists to do the conference that is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► conference so those things need to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► money Apple doesn't care about making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► money from this and they could charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► anything or they could charge nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► for these tickets it's not going to cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► them very much yes it costs a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► money and for most companies they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► couldn't conceive of doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► like this the way that Apple could but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► with with the numbers that just came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► this week that they made last quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► this isn't this isn't this is nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► you know that this is really not even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► tiny little blip on their chart it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► about the money for them it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► like the price of admission is solely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► there as a deterrent because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► right that like they don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised they do make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► on the conference first of all but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► don't think that's why they charge the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► price I do I think they charge the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► they do to give some kind of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► yeah you know serious applicants only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► kind of thing and by the way Zaki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► Zack yahoo in the chatroom says last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► year sold out in 12 hours not in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► but apparently 12 hours wasn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► threshold I remember last year hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► that crankiness about international [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► people who like hey I was asleep in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► Australia and I missed it so that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► sense with the 12-hour thing but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► wasn't the same as you know two hours is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► it different order of magnitude I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► but but yeah it's not and not only is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► not money-making it's different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► conferences like certainly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► than PACs and III and probably also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► doesn't different than then South by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Southwest and that those conferences not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► only exist to make money but they're put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► on by a conference organiser and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► people pay the conference organiser to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► show at the conference you know game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► makers want to have a big booth and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► pay lots of money to put their booths on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► the show floor and everything that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► they make money because it's organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► by somebody and then people come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► attendees but there's no dynamic like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► that at all at Apple Apple's not selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► floor space to the third-party vendor I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► think they have done that in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► like that's not their money-making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► scheme it's an Apple conference put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► by Apple for you the developer it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► direct relationship between there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► third party conference organiser entity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► if there is Apple's hiding it behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► scenes who's trying to make money off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► this it is Apple and you Apple talks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► you you talk to Apple and they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► know it's not a clearinghouse for third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► parties to give money to get access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► all the developers who were there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► that makes it very different then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► think it's even different like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► never been to Java one or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► that but that strikes me something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► vendors would want to display and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► know it's not just a Google i/o is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► closer because I think it's mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► Google talking to to people about Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► stuff so it is a kind of a weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► it's almost like like a seminar like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► it's part as a paid developer you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► special training that you're allowed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► know what I mean it's like it's a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► part of your developer membership that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► you just pay extra for and now you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► this extra stuff rather than going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► show to see lots of stuff you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► then of course as Gruber point up is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► think I did hear as part of the show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► know there's also the keynote which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► separate thing for the press it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► really part WABC but it's like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► vestige of the old way that Apple used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► to do things where they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► keynotes at big events to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► mmm-hmm all right so that we had move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► for W see if I want to have a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► even getting through my follow up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► episode all right let's do our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► sponsor then if you will allow it go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► its source bits software design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► development services for iPhone mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► Mac in the web course iPad that's it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► mean you know what I could stop right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► there say go to source bits calm that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► enough because that's what they do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► is design what they call design lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► engineering this is this is what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► all about you work with these guys their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► entire process the books are open you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► say I have an idea for this amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► application doesn't matter what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► it's an iPad app great they can build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► that ties into a web back-end they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► build that you want an android client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► later on they'll build that too they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► done it they know how to do this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► and design LED engineering this means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► development process then I'm just there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► to you know make some kind of concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► and melt it into the background their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► conceptualization through every stage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► development and QA they're plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► they're available to you they work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► you to take whatever that idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► you have and they make it happen they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► got amazing talent in there and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► take my word for it go to source bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► comm and check it out if you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► idea for an app look at their portfolio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► look at the services they offer look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► that's all that's it I mean did by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► if you if you haven't gone to source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► become I did I don't know what to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► I'm upset let's just go to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► let's just go to the next topic what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► have things I see you through and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► notes link for the fridge toaster yes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► yeah I'm behind on my listening to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► earnings call so I haven't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► listened to the call yet but this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► Tim Cook in the Apple quarterly earnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► call in which they told everyone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► they made all the money in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► again someone I some some person asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► one of those inane analyst questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► that involved what was the it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► question about like combining the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and a laptop I don't know one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► one of those things like what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► you know so and he and his response was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► about the the wisdom of combining unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► things so he has the quote in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► article you can converge a toaster in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► refrigerator but those things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► probably not going to be pleasing to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► user right so I can't say much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► about the content of the statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► because I haven't listened to the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► yet but I believe the reason you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► link in the story and I think was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► New York Times link is because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► picture they chose for the toaster in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► this story it's in the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► bits blog is the model up from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► toaster that I have it looks the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► except there's a double button on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► front this is the model with convection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► right and many people were wondering why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► of all the toasters that could have put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► a picture of they put that one in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► are they five by five fans or the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► of this house two episode or do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► just simply Google for the word toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► to end up like that or is this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► default rich person's toaster now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► don't know I think we had something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► do with it though you think if that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► true they would have you know whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► wrote it would have Nick Winfield would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► have like sent us a Twitter message or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► done some sort of thing like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► don't know but that's it that's it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► that I thought it was curious too I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► have probably more to say about what Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► Cook had to say if if he really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► reveal anything interesting in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► responses but at this point since I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► listening to Tim Cook on earnings calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► surprised if you let anything slip damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► it you know he's he was he's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► controlled than Steve Jobs was unerring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► his calls it's hard to get him to go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► on something that he didn't plan to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► about and I think I think Tim does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► thing where not that he has like on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► know like an ax late-night talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► where they have agreed on questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► beforehand but are they tell he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► people think but he knows certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► questions are going to be asked and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► leads he wants to say something about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► particular topic and he will allow it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► happen organically like I want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► statement about netbooks and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► someone's probably gonna ask me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► netbooks so rather than in my statements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► or in an answer to an unrelated question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► going off on some screed about netbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► I'll just sit back and wait patiently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► for the first guy to ask about netbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► and then I'll say what I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► about netbook so it so it looks more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► organic I get the feeling that he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► that and I was wondering like if no none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► of the analysts asked about netbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► would he like offered himself like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► aside and another answer or something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► I'll just new this one maybe have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► to say about it I think you get the gist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► of it from what you've already read I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► mean obviously yeah you should listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► it but yeah those are mine cold can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► boring whether it is reading off numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► but you know I fit it in that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► haven't gotten to it yet Carsten Burns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► pointing me to this Paris pinball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► parking advertisement where is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► is an advertisement for some Ford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► parking assist technology that helps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► parallel park better but the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► they set up in Paris I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► that's random enough of this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► people in Paris will you know will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► whatever it takes to get into a parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► space and so they put two cars next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► each other and put a little sensors on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► their bumpers and put a big scoreboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► above it so that when people go to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► to park there every time you tap one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► the car in front of you and vacuu view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► your score goes up or is it down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► remember anyway I put a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► YouTube video which again is an ad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► reinforces our meme about parking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► Paris involving hitting other cars so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► thought it was worth mentioning will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► Haynes who apparently is in Tokyo I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► think he's communicated to us many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► but I just went to his blog and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► like hi I'm will Haines from Tokyo well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► hello will Haines in Tokyo that's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► did an awesome post about these iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► screen size stuff that we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► discussing in the past few shows it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► the same type of thing of like let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► make the screen taller according to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► rumor and he's doing the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► several I and several of people mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► of like okay try to keep the phone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► same size just make the phone bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► make the area above and below the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► smaller and he did a really nice 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► mock-up of it of just basically taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► it's kind of his own design now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► taking the current look of the iPhone 4s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► stretch the screen shrunk the area above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► and it kind of fits like he's done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► exact measurements of saying if this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► exactly what the rumor said and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► you know exactly this height was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► the specs on it if it was exactly 1152 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► pixels high this is what the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► would look like and he for the design he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► decided to try to do a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► tweaking most it looks like the 4s but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► he made it slightly thinner than the 4s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► is 8.9 six millimeters instead of 9.3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► four millimeters and made it feel even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► thinner by shrinking the antenna band to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► rounded back if you look at the picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► you might think oh that looks thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► but you're thinking that the band is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► same thickness on the 4s actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► band is thinner that's trying to lead to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► like it feels thinner in your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► because the edge is tapered so I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► encourage everyone to take a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► this post and read it and you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► cool video of the thing flying around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► the stuff of an excellent excellent job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and when I look at it it doesn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► crazy to me it looks I look at it my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► thumb feels a little cramped of like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► would I be able to contort myself to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► down to that slightly smaller home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► button or you know can I still reach all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► the corners with my thumb I guess having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► it in my hand would help me know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► it's like more but it doesn't look crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► it doesn't look like a really long tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► I find he's kept the height basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► the same just again just shrunk the area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► and it looks like plenty of room for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► FaceTime camera plenty of room for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► speaker that goes in your ear it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► look crazy the home button will have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► shrink a little bit or get more oblong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► or something but I was excited to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► this picture to see what is possible now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► I will say that I think it looks a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► too much like the current phone not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► because I think it's bad but because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► think the next iPhone will not look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► exactly like the iPhone 4s like it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► the metal band designer on the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► and just like the overall look of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► it looks like a black rounded rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► with a metal band around it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► I expect a more radical change within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► reason like details mostly like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► going to be you know triangular shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► it still can be around a tall red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► rectangle that they're going to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► make us thin as they can but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► details I think it will look different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► even if it's just a change in color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► scheme or like the back isn't the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► color as the front anymore or the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► back is silver or the sides are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► completely vertical slab sides anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and they taper or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that's what I expect from it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► really like this post and I link to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► the show notes I encourage everyone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► check it out and speaking of the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► rumors many people picked up on my hint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► not during the show but but after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► show many people picked up on my hint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► about it I was saying well what can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► what's the what can you do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► iPhone to make room for this screen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► you have to start squeezing this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► you know making the borders of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► things thinner Oh is there a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► you can like move things to the edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and I also said like maybe what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► microphone or speaker or camera and bury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► it behind the display is that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► and the Big Apple nerds amongst us one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► of them including my friend Levi Ock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► wrote in to tell me that hey they Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► had a patent about putting a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► behind a screen I said yes I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► that's what I was referring to that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► was a long time ago he dug up the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► for me which was nice I would have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► to Google for it but apparently in July [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► 2007 there was a Apple filed a patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► for a camera behind an LCD display and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► the idea that was that it would capture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► images like in between the Refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► events on the display with a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► of you know the patent saying that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► you know we'll try to make it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► the the there's no flickering when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► the photo was taken or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► that like if it's continuous video will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► try to be good about minimizing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► amount of time you need to to take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► picture between the display and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► like I think the ideas that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► refreshing 60 times a second and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► enough time in between each refresh to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► get an image without light interference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► again just because it's a patent doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► mean this is something that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► works you can patent things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► that you've never actually built and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► that you're not sure even if the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► you're just patenting the idea but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► is why I was thinking of what can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► berieve and screen pigs of this patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and Apple actually had an earlier patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► I think so every years before that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► another technique to get a camera behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► a screen this one involved like sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► something like that so this is a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► Apple Insider story from a while ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► it's in the show notes everyone can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► check it out and remember when looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► at any patent story Apple pens all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► of things and patents do not mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► they even ever had this working let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► alone that it was they decided it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► useful I just like to fantasize about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► future technologies like that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► sounds cool doesn't it like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► look at the screen one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► they promotion in the in the patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► thing is like you know when you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► video conferencing you want to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► them and yeah it's like a look to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► upper right of your monitor alright it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► doesn't look like you're looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► person now we're like a lazy eye or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► yeah well bit so that the camera is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► directly in the center of your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► you can also put the video window and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► like an you imagine an iPad or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► in the center of your screen then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► can look face to face with them so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► seems like that seems like a compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► advantage that if Apple were able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► pull it off they would say they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► like that and maybe they would even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► finally face time face to face look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► right into the eyes of your sweetie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► so that that's what I was getting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► last one but I don't have high hopes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► a guy uh Alex and dronov wrote in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► tell me that Tom lemon Sally who was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► guy who's one of whose books referred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► the talking to the bear phenomenon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► having talking talking out your problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► to it and I'm an object to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► rhythm he was apparently a guest on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► Stack Overflow podcast and I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► every single episode of the stack over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► Molly's did way back then I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► basically went off but once Jeff Atwood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► left it's not just not the same without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► him but I must have heard that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► so there's yet another possible case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► we're talking to the bear has entered my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► subconscious and that's that's where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► came out of so I'm glad to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► there are good explanations you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► even if I can't remember reading that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► system in book maybe I just heard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► podcast episode maybe that was it I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► old man it's hard to remember yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► that's it for my follow-up except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► follow up on the gaming show last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► but that's almost kind of like a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► so we have three sponsors a speaker two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► - all right so I can keep going keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► okay gaming first I guess this one final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► little piece of fall that's tangentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► protected this guy's name before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► pussy Aldo oh sorry about that David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► tweeted me a link to a video from freaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and geeks they show one more show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► was cancelled way before its time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► I enjoyed that show when I was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► air and this episode is about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► section of the episode of the Dungeons & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► Dragons and it's YouTube video probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► illegal I don't know if it counts as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► fair use but it's a pretty long segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► there that shows a bunch of nerdy kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► talking about D&D and the cool kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► too-cool-for-school character right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► in the show is in the scene with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► and and they one of the people invites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► him to play D&D and he's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► D&D it's kind of it's not for the Nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► or whatever and so he goes and plays the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► indie with them and he enjoys it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► and at the end of the thing the Nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► are kind of conferred with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► about this idea that like once what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► going on here like it are we turning him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► into a nerd or are are is he turning us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► into cool guys I don't know like would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► that that dynamic the person sent this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► to me because the same kind of thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► was talking about with gaming where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► gaming with the exclusive refuge the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► Nerds way back when and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► they field opened up and that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► good and you felt like well more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► are enjoying games then you're like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► if it wasn't this hours and is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► getting taken over by cool people or is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► the reverse we're making everybody into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► nerds and sort of that discomfort with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► your clique or your little section of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► people thought you had a hobby all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► yourself and expanding out so from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► mostly I encourage people to watch abuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► freaks and geeks is an awesome show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► hopefully from looking at that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► segment you will be motivated to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► watch it on Netflix or get an iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► checking out so that was the appetizer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► for my my revisit of the topic of gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► and gaming culture and the dilution of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► gaming culture and all the stuff that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► talked about last time as is often the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► case with something that I talk about on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► the podcast that I haven't previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► written about because writing kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► makes you sort of sort through your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► ideas and figure out what you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► frequently says it's like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► draft of his ideas he kind of talked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► out and you're trying to learn while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► you're talking you know the act of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► it helps you come to some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► conclusion discard ideas or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► I think last show definitely did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► because I spend a lot of time trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► look at this issue of gaming and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► hardcore gamers versus the casual gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► and how that's evolved over time as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► market expanded I looked at it from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► sorts of different angles and use lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► of analogies trying to illuminate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► various aspects of my points and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► the analogies for like movie watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► wine-tasting sports things where time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► investment can lead to greater enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► you know seeing more movies helps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► appreciate new movies more tasting lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► of wines helps you sort of understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► the different aspects of wine watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► lot of a particular sport can help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► appreciate the game more these were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► examples of like gaming things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► and I think people mostly accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► idea that investing time leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► experience and knowledge in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► you're investing in which leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► greater enjoyment of whatever that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► is ah but the problem with analogies is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► well my problem as the person offering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► them and the problem of listeners who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► hear them is that when you're offering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► analogies it's if you're not careful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► highlight which aspect that you think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► applicable to the thing you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► you know you're saying this is analogous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► to that people may think that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► trying to say the entire thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► analogous and that's my fault for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► miscommunicating and on the on the flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► side there are people who believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► analogies are useless unless the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► things are analogous in every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► way and they will say well that analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► makes no sense because this is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► than that in aspects X Y & Z and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► those people I say analogies don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► to match up in every possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► because then it would just be identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► and that wouldn't make any sense so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► there is a balance to be struck there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► I don't know if my analogies were apt or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► not but the in hindsight after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► episode was over and looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► feedback my crucial mistake in trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► think about and talk about it at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► topic is that only one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► that I was making an analogy with and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► think it might have been the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► but only one of the things that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► making analogy with is directly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► directly applicable to the idea of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► and that's movies because the key point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► is that games I was saying were a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► know strange form of art and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► they're different than other forms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► art and ago I would say that sports and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► wine-tasting are not forms of art people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► can argue with me and about that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► whatever but I firmly believe the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► are a form of art and typicals argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► about that but that was my key point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► there it's a it's an art form where time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► investment is not sufficient for full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► appreciation it doesn't mean that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► know you you do get more enjoyment out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► of it if you invest time you do get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► knowledge and experience but that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► necessary but not sufficient for full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► enjoyment and I thought that was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► because I have trouble thinking of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► wine-tasting all that other hobbies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► skills and activities also require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► skills and many people pointed that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► Nemo and it was clear that I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► focusing this enough and if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► written it I think I would have read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► is it it's the fact that I'm considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► games in art form and like can you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► of another art form that requires skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► to get full appreciation of it not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► knowledge and you know you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► well knowledge is a skill and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► smarts the skill and not just time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► investment in an experience but mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► when I'm talking about skill I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► about things that are not natural for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► the vast majority of the population to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► do things that have to be learned and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► lot of it is physical things but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► know that if you take a cross-section of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► the entire population and say who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► find it easy to pick up the skills to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► this thing even if there isn't art that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► require skills and a lot of arts don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► require skills that you know physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► skills @kj alien conferences dancing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► that's a good example because dancing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► an art form and it does require a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► certain minimum amount of skills to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the full enjoyment out of and just and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► like gaming I would say you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► to be an expert dancer to get not every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► ounce of the enjoyment like super expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► dancers are getting like a slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► enjoyment in you are or maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► depending on if it becomes like work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► them and not and not a hobby but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► get mostly German I would say dancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► the history of dancing across all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► humanity shows that most human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► have at least the minimum skill set to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► get most of the enjoyment that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► supposed to get out of dancing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► dancing because dancing has been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► for a really long time all right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► was I was saying that video games are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► possibly not unique but novel at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► in that the forms of art especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► since the forms are out there often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► compared to like you know writing novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► fiction and movies and stuff require so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► little uncommon skill you just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► be literate and intelligent like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► not it the the larger portion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► population has these skills and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► gaming is weird because it's an art form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► that requires skills that do not appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► to be common in the general population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and my evidence for this is the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► number of people who play and enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► basically if you make your game require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► the skills that like the first crop of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► nerdy gamers had that game is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► to be popular and no matter how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► it's revealing that certain skills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► you know the original gamers or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► longtime gamers have those skills just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► aren't common in the general population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► and if you make a game that requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► them you can't sell to lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► somebody I talked about last time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► way game makers address this by making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► games that don't require those skills to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► get them out to more of an audience it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► as if the very best dances required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► skills that so few people could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► was like a fraction of a fraction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► percentage of the entire world could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► the special dance and this dance was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► particularly enjoyable and people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► are really serious about dancing say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► well you know if you you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► playing you're doing casual dance but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► you can't do a super complex the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► dancing is dancers can correct me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► beautifully execute a simple dance like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► a waltz that's perfectly valid and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► full expression of the form whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► gamers or at least me would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► some of the very best things the gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► has to offer are not accessible to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► general public who who don't have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► particular skills even if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► willing to put in the time to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► experience and the knowledge and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► know that the the other aspects that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► they can get if they're held out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► their lack of physical coordination you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► know from having this experience we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► would say you're not getting everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► the gaming has to offer you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► intentionally put into like kiddie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► gaming where yes it's enjoyable and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► get lots of the same things but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► it's not the best of the best and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► what I thought was very novel about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► and I had many changes about sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► where you know there are other hobbies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► they require skill to fully appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► but again I'm not putting them into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► form of art someone can argue with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► but like there are examples but get even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► getting beyond the art thing there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► sports that you can enjoy unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► have skills that are not coming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► general population again I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► this is analogous because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► consider sports a form of art I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► think it's weird that sports require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► skills because so many of them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► require skills but the same continuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► exists in sports where there are sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► that require skills that the majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► the general population of healthy adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► have to an adequate degree to play the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► sports you know like playing catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► that's not that that's a sport but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► can do that and the skills of baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► for the most part like even if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► hit you can kind of catch and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► like you can get by but there are sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► like surfing where that the minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► threshold to be successful in any way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► be able to serve to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► people look at you and say that guy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► surfing the amount of the population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► that can do that is much lower than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► amount of pop the population that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► play a pickup game of baseball or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► know touch football or basketball or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► of the other sports that are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► accessible so and again these this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► not directly analogous because sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► are not a form of art but it just a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► of people wrote in about sports as and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► examples in it maybe think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► sports have a similar continuum where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► the prevalence of the required skills in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► the general population defines the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► participation spectating is is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► different spectating is an entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► different thing and I would not call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► spectating sports a form of art either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► so it's also not analogous but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► talking about doing the sport yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► how many people surf versus how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► people play basketball down at their gym [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► and I guess a lot of that is to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► you know proximity to waves and water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► but you know any sport you want to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► gymnastics or something like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► certain sports that require skills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► are not common so I think gaming is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► weird because it's a form of art that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► requires skills that are not common and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► I say that to fully appreciate gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► you can't just stick to the games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► the vast majority of like I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► who have the have the skills and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► they just develop the skills but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► it's a some it's a barrier to entry if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► they have the skills to play the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► what we consider the very best of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► best games we're getting an experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► that other people are not and it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► that those experiences are closed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► because of skills and the the phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► kept repeating in the previous show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► that it's not a value judgment what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► was trying to say with that was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► doesn't make us better people or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► know it's not it's not a we're better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► than you because we can do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► it's mostly I'm coming at it from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► disappointing that something you enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► like you can't share that enjoyment with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► other people and that's why I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► talking about the frustration of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► to get my wife to play games that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► really enjoy or you know things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► my parents might like because like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► experiences we're having our excess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► know where it's the same feelings anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► has it you know excitement do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2938">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► to share a gonna share it with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► would appreciate it want that you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► you want to force them somehow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► appreciate it seems that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► share things that you enjoy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► inability to share them is making me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► think about what's what's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► everyone's doing gaming and yet I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► I can't share these experiences that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► having except with the same like nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► gamer people who have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► sharing these things but isn't gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► popular now why you know and is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► because are we hit are they having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► exactly as much fun with Angry Birds as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► we're having with us I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► I don't think Angry Birds is invoking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► the same kind of emotions that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► experiences to the level that the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► kind of games I'm playing are so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► not a we're better than you and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► the gamers and you're the non-gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► that's totally not what about so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► saying it's not a value judgment there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► nothing you know it it is what it is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► just trying to so it's called the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► see it certain skills have a lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► prevalence in the general population and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► you know I'm sure this is exactly true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► of many other things that I'm missing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► ton because I don't have the skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► dancing would be one of those for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► example but it for me as a gamer it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► be think about the other thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► about and this is that gaming in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► is that my parents were very anti video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► game as many parents of my generate uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► generation were why were the anti video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► game it's hard to really explain was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► just kind of like scary about the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► thing it's kind of like rock-and-roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► the kids with their music and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► video games but they were very anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► gaming and didn't allow me to have game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► consoles in the house so of course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► bought every Mac game known to man which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► they apparently found was okay because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► computers are educational anyway parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► like parents make no sense ah but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► when I went onto my adult life of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► I you know bought game consoles and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► games or whatever in and as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► changing from teenager into adult my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► parents would frequently ask you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► are you gonna stop playing these video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► games when you're gonna grow out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► like because video games came along when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► we were kids it was seen as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► activity that rots your brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► there's nothing useful about it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► didn't believe when I tell them oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► learning excellent you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3058">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► they can't begin mints but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► always ask me one even now they say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► despite the fact that they will play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► casual games and stuff like that I see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► distinction you know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► doing their crossword puzzle on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► iPad that's not gaming right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► know even though I have gotten them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► try to play some other games getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► some German they still see it as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► activity that we should grow out of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► I always tried to give the analogy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► like well when did grandma and grandpa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► stop playing pinochle like do they stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► playing that when they you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► play that their whole life they learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► it when they were kids and they played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► it basically till the day they died and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► no one ever asked them why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► know stop playing pinochle isn't that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► kids game they'd meet with all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► retired friends and play that like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► week and no one no one gave them a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► time about it you know or swims and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► chatrooms is our bridge or any needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► other things like certain games you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► because they were involved cards or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► whatever they were grandfathered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► right but video games that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► different right and I would always try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► to give that and then I'll do bounced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► off they didn't accept it but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► another thing that made me think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► well so what's different about gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► why do they not accept that analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► straightforward and I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► reasons they don't accept it is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► the things they see me doing are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► that they've tried to do and have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► inaccessible to them whereas they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► play Pinochle a bridge if they learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► rules maybe they're just not into it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► it's not it's not like this this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3137">TS</a>]
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00:58:43 ◼ ► know how they do it you should take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► I thought I was done with gaming with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► few more comments in the chat rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► tangential things related to it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► I also talked about these last show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► it's worth talking about more many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► people because many people wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► about this too and they would point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► that in various games including portal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► they have something where you start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► game where they try to teach you how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► play the game within the game world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► using some sort of device layer and halo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► like okay check check your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► charge up your she's green and you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► to the left then care I shooting these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► targets to make sure of as you're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► you know restored from cryogenic sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► or whatever in the original Halo a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► your weapon try this target and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► tired they're teaching you to play the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► game and they're trying to ease that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► ramp they're not going to dump you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► first-person shooter works just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► and although many people do they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► these tutorial training or you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► other part of the game with some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► framing device to basically teach you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► the skills you're going to need to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► this game successfully before bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► you into it and that's just trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► broaden the base for the game because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► that I believe the game makers want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► mean the the cynical one is like oh they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► want to make the most money so you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► the most people to be able to buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► game but I believe the game makers want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► the most number of people to enjoy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► great game they've made they want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► more people to get the experience so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► they have these tutorial levels to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► you know the common stereotype now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► that that the annoying tutorial levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► bother the gamers like yeah right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► have to tell me every single thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► the game I think I mentioned this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► last show were this little bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► popping out at you like this is a health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► pack run it over to increase your health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► when your health goes to zero you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► feel that that is unnecessary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► condescending and it bothers them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► appreciate the games that seamlessly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► integrated into the story so it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► it seems less like a tutorial level and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► it can actually even be kind of fun even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► though they already know all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► you're being taught and maybe they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► use that as the time to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► key bindings I want to use for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► particular game but I think that goat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► goes not very far in making gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► accessible because I've seen this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► many times where I've tried to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► tutorial level really does hold their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► hand and teach them about the game but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► then when you get dumped into the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► adversarial entities that are coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► get you and you have to you know going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► tutorial I know it'll look up look down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► shoot things or whatever - now whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► bunch enemies are going at me and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► jumping from platform to platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► flipping around in midair and shoot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► know this is first-person shooter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► any type of thing where the there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► quite a cliff from the tutorial level to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► the game because a lot of games for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► game proper there's no two ways around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► it you're just this you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► going to have to have skills Elda games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► are a great example this Bozell does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► introduction and a really really smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► scale the first dungeon is really simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► and the enemies are not very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► there's lots of health items like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► you know these games like 70 Plus hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► games to complete you know by someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► who's an experienced gamer lots of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► for them to ramp that I feel like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► it's good to have that smooth ramp but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► it's almost cruel because you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► you've played a Zelda game at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► point midway through or towards the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► the bosses are going to get hard not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► like impossibly hard for gamers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► impossibly hard for a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► could successfully navigate the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► dungeon the second dungeon the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► dungeon and then how do they feel having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► invested 15 hours in this game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► having hit a wall where the game isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► fun anymore they can't get to the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► of the game because they've reached a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► I I don't know what that's like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► never seen one go someone go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► that I've seen them bounce off much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► sooner like they can do the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► dungeon barely and that's it and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► the first boss battle my cell this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► too hard and they don't go through even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► if they try to persevere and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► say you know you talk to some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► are mostly non gamers who get into games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► for whatever reason and they're like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► I spent you know six weeks trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► beat the first boss in the dungeon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► whatever and you know the gamer reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► you could laugh them all you had trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► with that boss it's not hard but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► you know I feel for these people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► like there's somebody who has realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► there's something that these gamers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► getting that they might want to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► on and just tried their hardest and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► didn't get through it's like the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► who decides that using sports analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► they want to be a surfer and they and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► they just try to surf all summer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► like five summers in a row and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► I just never are able to do it it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► kind of said so I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► solution is there is a solution to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► have those tutorials or to have a smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► ramp like Zelda or like you know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► are all ways to try to address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► issue but although I believe run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► the fundamental barrier which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► the skills that these types of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► require are just not that common and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► easy to learn and sometimes not possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► to learn and so I don't know if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► doing a disservice by having smooth ramp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► maybe maybe if you play the first four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► dungeons in Zelda you've gotten your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► money's worth of enjoyment out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► that's another thing I don't like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► should have said that the whole idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► that there's some money's worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► enjoyment out of games that connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► is not what you always hear that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► in the game reviews you'll hear people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► saying oh you know I I this game took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► and I'm always kind of shocked by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► what seems to these expert because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► by no means an expert player of any game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► and these games take me way longer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► get through then the I guess the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► who are playing these games like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► day like they have games you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► they just blaze through but you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► hear that complain only took me 2 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► and 47 minutes to complete this game I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► was expecting more for my money you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► relationship between the amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► you paid and how I and some other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► that you can measure to say whether I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► got my money's worth out of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► act of the way the game is business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► worked and the average length of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► and how much money it cost to produce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► game is this conglomeration of events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► thoughtful deciding that X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► dollars equals X number of time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► complete the game by by an expert gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► and what Y time is you know like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► I guess that's all they have to go by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► how many hours did it take you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► complete how much money did you pay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► will divide those numbers and tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► you know a ratio and this ratio was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► unsatisfying makes no sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► whatsoever because like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► happen in you know in in other media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► I guess maybe because it like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► example movies originally around two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► 90-minute movie that was awesome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► says well the movie was awesome but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► the amount of money I bought that ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► I really think it should have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► full two hours if it's an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► 90-minute movie right and the same token [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► if it's a three hour movie that sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► you're like oh my god it was a three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► hour movie I could not think that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► horrible like it has to be it has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► a limit to that there has to be like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► a game only takes an average player an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► hour to finish that there's probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► lot of people who would be disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► even if it was an amazing hour right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► depends on how amazing an hour is again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► I'll point to journey journey journey as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► a game took me two hours to complete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► yeah it only cost $15 I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► gladly paid way more than that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► there are so many games that I can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► for 50 or 60 dollars that will take me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► 10 20 hours to complete that I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► enjoy you know one thousandth as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► I enjoyed journey and that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► measurement I get out of it is like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► these things do cost a certain amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► money and you're spending your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► entertainment budget on this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► my view is if I spent that same amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► of money on some other activity would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► would I have gotten more enjoyment out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► of it and that other activity isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► necessarily buying another game that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► the one they always do it's like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► spent $60 on this and it was only four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► hours long and so I'm mad it's like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► so if you had spent at $60 aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► different in the game would you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► gotten more enjoyment out of that 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► hour game then you go to the out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► program maybe you would have maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► just because it's not a good game but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► does it have anything to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► length particularly I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► does I've never made that connection if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► as you get older it contends to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► reverse where you're like am I going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► put in 70 hours into a 70 hour game like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► Zelda am I going to really get 70 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► worth of enjoyment out of that and many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► people decide that no I can't put like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► in a moment for my thing it's like mmo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► I think I might enjoy mmo's but I mean a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► I've got the the RSI issue which a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► couple readers brought up where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► like a physical limit and then B the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► amount of time investment than an MMO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► takes to really get the best out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► if you just don't have that kind of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► that would not be a wise investment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► your sixty dollars you'd be better off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► buying a four hour game for $60 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► you wouldn't enjoy that MMO because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► the amount of time you have to put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► need to be like Oh stealing time from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► your other activities that you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► doing other things that you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► sleeping you know neglecting family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► obligations or if you just simply don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► have time in your schedule you paid $60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► for what for more stress and aggravation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► in your life and never getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► real enjoyment so I this is not I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► that the enlightened more enlightened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► game reviewers know this is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► but even they have to catch themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► for like you know judging games based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► well this game wasn't great but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► only $15 game and well this game was $60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► and I really enjoyed every second of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► but it was only ten hours long or nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► hours long and really they should be 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► or 15 why because like the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► length of a $60 game in the year 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► and X is 12 hours long some of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► points out that the other thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► you know not everyone completes games I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► would love to know the percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► people who complete games maybe you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► buy a game and just play it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► and get what they think is it a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► about a drum and a doorstop or they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► frustrated because they stop or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► whatever reason but game reviewers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► general still feel that they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► complete a game and I think that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► reasonable thing to say and so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► the ones who are saying they're the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► who are playing the games to completion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► so they can tell you about how the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► ends or whatever or give some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► judgment on the ending of the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► they're the ones constantly knowing okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► well this game took this many hours to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► complete and you know and the average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► changes over time I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► average length of games was 1020 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► ago but I guarantee it's different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► what it is now again let's do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► budgets and how much money it takes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► make one hour with the game play I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► high-definition 3d game versus how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► it did to make the same amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► on you know an NES or something this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► maybe I maybe I'll save this for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► criticism there are probably much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► people to talk about this than I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► that I you know because I'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► professional game reviewer but I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► an opinion alright so I did have it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► did have another topic rattling around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► in here yeah we could probably do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► quickly I was debating not doing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► notes for this topic but because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► visual based one I said what if I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► didn't write anything whatever just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► know wing it on the show you know kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► of the way you encourage Merlin to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► you think if the shows are better if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► don't notes but you know predictably I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► well maybe I'll maybe I'll try not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► look at them so this topic is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► gmail user interface you don't do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► use the Gmail web interface never never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► never never never I think it's awful III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► emergency situations you have a gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► I have several gmail accounts which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► never never really used their sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► things from the days before I had better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► ways to deal with junk mail vestige [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► vestige ill things from a bygone era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► what do you use your email hosting then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► unfortunately I use Google Apps but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► in the process of switching away from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► but I never use the Gmail provided style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► interface for that I just use IMAP and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► use mail app for my email client and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► also use mail app on the on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► for that as well but I'm in the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► of moving away from that because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► I don't want to use any Google services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► anymore this is something that comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► people ask me about a lot it both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► real life and over email and stuff what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► what should I do about email it's mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► nerds asking that because regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► just use whatever that email address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► they got 10 years ago and never changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► it right and my answer is not to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► I do it's to do what I wanted to do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► answer if you are a nerd and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► solve your email problems from for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► my current advice that and spend this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► way for a long time is to buy yourself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► domain name that you're happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► having as your email address forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► just the domain name not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► and then forward that email address at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► different backends so you would forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► that email to Gmail and Google out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► business or starts being evil sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► you forwarded to some other video email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► provider then you buy you buy some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► hosting free mail and you're forwarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► the whole idea is to to loosely couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► your email address from the service you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► used to provide it that way you'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► have to tell people oh my email address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► has changed you know I'm moving to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► different provider or whatever biz your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► email address will always put the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► of your life until the domain name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► system crumbles and they take the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► away from you or whatever be whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► your name is at whatever your domain you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► pick calm or GERD or net or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► that's the correct solution to email and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► then all you're left with is okay what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► back in do want to use who gives me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► the best product for the right amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► money with ads without ads IMAP you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► you can you can shop around change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► providers and it doesn't provide just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► disruption to your life this is still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► pretty nerdy solution because regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► people aren't going to buy nominate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► domains and really we don't need them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► because every domain is taken already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► anyway we don't need more contention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► the domains but that is what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► have done if I then from be able to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► the domain name that I found acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► you may you if you are a nerd may also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► SuperDuper picky about what things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► named and then you may end up deadlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► like I am frustrated by your inability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► to gather domain names you want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► never finding one that you like so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► this the curse of being a obsessive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► compulsive nerd so I'm not doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► I'm just using Gmail but I actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► use the Gmail web interface partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► that's because my favorite client-side a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► web interface we used to be Claire his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► email er and then that teams kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► moved to Microsoft and made the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► versions of Entourage for classic Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I like those and then maca was tending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► came along and entourage got worse on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and kind of continued to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► worse and then it was replaced with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► Outlook which is much much worse and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► my favorite client-side email apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► basically left me like they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► there and I still use them I use them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► have a client-side copy of every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► in my email as messages in fact I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► have multiple clients just to have super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► redundant ultra local backed up backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► of my email so that if Google goes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► tomorrow I should only lose like a day's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► like uh but I use the web interface most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► of the time and I actually like Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► web interface first I didn't because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► was weird and I'd never used it none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► like I'm just going to stick to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► client-side thing but slowly I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► around to just basically through sheer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► ubiquity and having things synced up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► the reason I think I've run out how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► shows but the main reason I like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► all the other email services that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► did not have a good representation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► server-side rules and I get tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► email and I have tons of rules to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► different actions on it and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► having all those rules centralized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► eliminated this hassle that I always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► which was when I use the client side app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► duplicating the rules in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► places or not duplicating them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► keeping them in sync and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► and so I you know it wasn't kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► conscious decision I just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► drifted over to Gmail first I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► running both of them for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► then I found I was not launching my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► local client and then just now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► completely on Gmail so I'm a heavy user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► of Gmail and yes the chatroom I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► tried mail plane and sparrow and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► other things so far none of them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► pulled me away from the web interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► now the visit what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► this new UI it's basically like a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► application dramatically but it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► very different and this new skin for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► Gmail has been in testing for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► time I might even be over a year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► and there is apparently there was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► could I guess the the days of being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► to use the old one Arkham you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► are completely gone now so everybody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► to use this now they're completely gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► I think it's like so here was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► sequence it was like hey you're a gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► user and we're trying out this new look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► like it's a little pop-up when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► logged in if you want to try the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► look click over here and you know being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► president I'm I immediately clicked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► checked it out and I didn't like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► the next phase was you'd log in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► you'd have the new look and you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► like whoa look you know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► that why do I have this this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► thing that I didn't like from before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► it looks a little bit different but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► still don't like it and you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► setting menus and you'd see like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► back to the old book but they always say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► change back to the old book temporarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► and they would never tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► temporarily meant but it was clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► they were saying to you like alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► we'll give you the option to change back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► temporary and eventually you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► have to take it and lo and behold for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► maybe was just last week that option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► disappear I logged in I got the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► interface went to the settings menu and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► it and the little thing that used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► there that says revert to the old book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► temporarily was gone and you know I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► this time was coming that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► word temporarily means and so I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► just you know bite the bullet and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► know for awhile I tried to keep the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► browser that had thee had the old Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► looks still on it not ever closed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► but then I accidentally I accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► did a Google Chrome update like in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► morning when I went into work I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► tweeted about that did you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► did that I have made the little icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► that said you know update Chrome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► then as it's every star I'm like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► they're a bunch of hacks out there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► try to get the old look back but at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► point I'm like you know I don't I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► gonna fight it this is the look this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► what I have to deal with so when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► the original look it was like try out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► new look check it out the the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► complaint right off the bat from almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► everybody who used it who was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► information density had decreased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► drastically the like you know try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► you're looking all of a sudden your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► screen they used to be able to fit 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► messages on it now if it's like 20 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► that's not good if you get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► email you know they put a lot of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► space and pet it out or whatever and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► didn't like that and then they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► options like say okay well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► new look but you can have a you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► the compact version or the comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► version or the cozy version all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► spacing adjustments to try to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► preferences which to an Apple user it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► like look if you have to provide 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4618">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► different options for how you I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► look maybe there's something wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► your UI but on the other hand as a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► nerd you're like well thank god these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► options are here because then it's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► hideous than it was and I remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► they first rolled the thing out even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► tightest setting was still way too wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► for me so I just said I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► I'll change back to the old bucket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► hopefully they'll dress that around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► same time I guess this must have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► maybe was at this but this was 2008 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► hope I'm around his name right this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► someone whose blog I read all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► and I realized that I've never said his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► koi VIN do you know who he is now close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► in the he's quite a well-known designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► has little Batman as his avatar Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► West yes did your cat x work apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► very quite quite a smart smart guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► as a successful iOS app unders uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► there's belt - yeah he was the I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► know what his title was but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► basically like the web the head web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► designer dude at the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► which is quite a position and he led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► there they're sort of you know the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► changes and what their web present was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► blenny left to go is do his own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► but I've been reading his blog at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► subtraction calm for a long time and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► 2008 he had a post that was pleading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► with Google people at gmail like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► know the Gmail UI like it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► to be this ugly like he just took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► exact page the way it was laid out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► said if you just use some basic sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► design parameters for line spacing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► lining things up and you know just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► realign stuff it would look so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► better so I made a link to this post in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► the show notes you should take a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► he's got a mouse-over thing where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► roll your mouse over it shows here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► 2008 Gmail as it exactly is this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► then take your mouse out and here's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► revised version and all it is is spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► tweaks tiny tiny spacing tweaks but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► maybe this is a good litmus test to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► are you kind of like a designer every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► type of nerd but if you look at the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► and you're like yeah I can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► better or worse are the same they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► like whatever they're the same thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► to me his version is just like ah like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► breath of fresh air compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► other version it just looks hideous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► right so I think since that time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► old Gmail UI Google did adjust their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► spacing and try to make things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► they were always constantly tweaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► their UI so it seems like they took some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► of that the heart whether they read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► designers to to space things out but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► new look is is a further realignment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► think he would go I would mostly approve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► the new look in terms of line spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► and stuff like it's a little bit still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► haphazard but it's much more coherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► than the first slapdash version they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► up there that totally look like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► laid out by programmers and probably was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► so now that I'm forced to use this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► look here are my complaints about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► that now I'm forced to just live with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► the information density believe it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► not I don't know if it's identical to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► what it was but it's at the point now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► where that's not my primary complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► about the thing I'm not saying I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► see as many messages on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► they've tightened it up a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► whatever the top level choice is when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► I have mine on compact cozy is the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► one up and uncomfortable is one spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► it up I don't these names terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► choices they're very technical highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► technical names that are not at all open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► to opinion or anything yeah so so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► not my main complaint so it's good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► they address that you know from all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► complaints about the first version this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► is way too big I would have to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► side-by-side comparison with the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► to see if it really is exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► density but it's better ah but the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► complaint I have with it now and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► the complaint I'm seeing from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► people I don't know how to express this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► prominent like the things that your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► grab on to if you can imagine your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► kind of like skittering across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► surface and looking for things to grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► on to a lot of the familiar signposts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► have been moved and it's worth pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► out that any time any a pet or our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► website or anything has a new look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► there's this knee-jerk reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► dislike and then reject it because I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► tell it's not like it used to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► especially it something like Gmail you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► constantly looking at like looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► subject lines looking at messages to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► finding that button to hit reply like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► just the who moved my cheese things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► I was different I just don't like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► different right so you have to totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► recognize that that's a thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► examine it and say do I dislike it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► because it's different or are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► actual problems here and there is aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► of having moved things but I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► I'm usually willing to go with it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► the type of person who likes the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► shiny version or something and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► way if the new thing is attractive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► goes a long way that's why Apple gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► away with a lot of stuff where if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► give you a totally new version of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► application that everything is moved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► you totally can't find stuff anymore but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► man looks really nice that goes a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► way to release some among certain class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► of nerds to letting you accept these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► problems so I don't particularly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► the new look of the new Gmail interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► ah so that's not helping me there and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► practically speaking the visual landmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► thing is even after like a week or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► of use I'm finding it difficult for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► so this start with like the message list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► where you've got this a checkbox and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► little star icon a little important tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► it's not exactly the same place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► existed in the other thing they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► light gray outlines on either a white or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► slightly lighter gray background not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► lot of contrast and I think that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► of the theme of this UI as like lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► white space not a lot of hard border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► lines they even have a high contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► theme that tries to crank this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► because they realize as an issue of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► high contrast one is even more ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► they're trying to not have like lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► around everything but the effect is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► these elements that used to give you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► anchoring port for each kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► message are just that they're so faded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► that I can imagine like people might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► even be able to see them like if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► eyesight is not that good the worst one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► for me you should actually you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► pull up the Gmail interface if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► haven't already so you can look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and tell me if I'm crazy just just pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4978">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► up one of your alright and go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► compact mode this might be difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► messages but I since I do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► sorting of email and everything I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► labels on like every compact mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► enabled yeah and do you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► messages with labels they might just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► say inbox go to the all-male view and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► you might just see a bunch of things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► say inbox but if you could label stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► as other random stuff the labels which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► I use labels and everything and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► visually to see where things are I tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► not to color my labels I have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► colored labels but I don't want to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► like a Christmas tree right so most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► my labels are just the default whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► color too jarring if you use the colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► yeah it's just too much I want that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► I want color to be an emphasis for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► things that should stand out not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► for me not the PAR stuff but the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► color for the labels it looks to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► a film negative it looks to me like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► you did like control option you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► command shift 8 when you do the invert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► screen likes keyboard shortcut or Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► they look reversed to me it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► negative and my I just just cannot parse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► like the darker gray text inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► slightly lighter gray outline inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► slightly lighter gray line item for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► message ah it literally hurts my eyes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► look at my labels then I don't I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► maybe a designer can tell me why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► these things bother they they almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► flip and invert in my mind maybe I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► a visual impairment or something but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► just cannot see them and every time I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► the thing it just I don't know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► it's not like a spotlight shining at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► it's like something it's visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► offensive it like bothers my eyes and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► makes me not be able to read what those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► things are it's struggle and it's ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► trainee and it just it looks inverted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► me I would love for someone who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► something about visual science to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► at the Gmail enterprise and say what why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► does this remind me of a film negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► why does it look inverted I because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► couldn't tell you maybe it's because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► background on the foreground is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► sufficient or that if I if I did really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► familiar kind of contrast I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► don't even know but this is really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► combination of this lack of visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► landmarks and the section that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► even look at because it hurts my eyes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► making it harder for me to latch on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► where things are in the interface like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► looking at individual messages or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► looking at what new things have come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► conversation view where it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► the threaded email message like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► collapsed up like an accordion there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► used to be very distinct kind of pleats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► in the accordion from a collapse message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► in one message on top of the other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► they again they crank down the contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► and everything it faded everything out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► to the point where when I see a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► message thread with things expanded or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► collapsed it's very difficult for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► see where one message ends and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► begins and latch on to where the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► the person is and the different fields [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► and the messages and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► just kind of like all blends together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► into this big white thing that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► like and it makes parsing conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► more difficult when I'm looking up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► see how many messages there are whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► it was a particular message lots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► lots of low contrast in lines and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► think they're trying to do it to get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► of visual noise and trying to form it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► with whitespace instead but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► they're doing it wrong I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► interface that's defined by whitespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► demarking the space you can't just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► a big giant sea of medium graves with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► slightly darker and slightly lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► things in them because it just all kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► functional aspects to like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► times I want to like sort of expand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► header to see more information about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► sender and they buried lots of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► under like little pop-up menus they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► not easy to discover and annoying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► click on to see like what if I just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► to see more information about this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► find myself doing the view original SiC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► the actual male headers to get myself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► information similar changes up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► top bar where these have all the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► to like refresh your mail or perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► actions they did the Apple thing I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► ever done in iPhoto 11 rant but I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► probably add that somewhere before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► fix it or make it worse maybe I'll I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► a second rant to it they buried lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► controls that used to be top level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► controls under like a more menu and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► guess they're doing that for visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► neatness but I'd never think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► good idea to just bury everything under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► a single thing and the second thing I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► is they they want it did not look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► cluttered and normally use so lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► options don't even appear until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► select a message and do the checkbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► then all of sudden the navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► changes and so it means that the options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► available to you in the toolbar are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► constantly changing and shifting so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► button for one thing might not be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► same place because it gets shipped like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► the more menu for example when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► a message selected the more menu is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► like three inches from when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► selected and that kind of things jumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► around bothers me they also changed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► by default change the toolbar buttons to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► be images instead of text and initially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► I'm like you can't tell what the images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► are because like the images for archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► is like a silhouette of a box with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► arrow going down on it and then reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► spam is a octagon with an exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► point in it like a stop sign exomesh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► more these are all gray by the way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► course they're great they're not helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► and a delete button I guess is a trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► can that kind of reads and the label one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► looks like a tag but the two choices for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► archive and report spam are not obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► buttons and as soon as you mouse over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► them you get a little tooltip you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► you get the mystery meat navigation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► whatever but that is the case where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► when I started using it a like where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► hell's the archive button because I hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► where-where's but where is the archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► button and you know I use keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► shortcuts for a lot in Gmail people ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► me how I can manage to use Gmail most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► the time using kind of like a VI user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► but certain functions for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► reason I haven't ever assigned keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► shortcuts to why do I not have archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► is a I see it do they actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► anything yeah that actually does archive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► I don't know why I don't hit it don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► know why I go to the archive button but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► but I find myself doing it same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► was reported as spam a lot of things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► have keyboard shortcuts but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► things I don't for whatever reason and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► would go for the button and I'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► wait for the tooltip to appear you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► there's nothing infuriates me more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► having to put my mouse over something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and wait for the tools it to come up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► see what the help of thing does because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► seriously like what's going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► that's not the way a UI should work I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► have found that over the week and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► of use my brain is starting to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► what the symbols mean and it's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► less and there is an option to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► all those two texts I tried that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► like well maybe you know let me just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► rid of these inscrutable pictures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► put and replace text labels which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► what they used to be there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► like buttons like actual native buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► and then they change to like those fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► native buttons that they can do whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► you can style buttons inside a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► browser to childhood consistent across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► platforms blah blah blah I change it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► the text where the text was worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► then I found myself reading the text I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► like why am i reading this text I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► read the text before I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► because the buttons move around more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► I feel more discomfort about I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► read it to make sure I'm clicking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► right button whereas before I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► think I was reading the text I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► was just jamming my mouse cursor up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► the archive button because it was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► in the same place in the same context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► maybe it's still in the same place and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► just haven't learned that place I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► know but I ended up changing back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► icons so I would call that a wash so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► and I think the main problem the icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► is just the images themselves aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► great the idea of icons I think is okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► especially since people like me should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► really be using the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► for everything and I mostly do so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► just kind of like a deficiency in my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► workflow where certain functions for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► various reasons have not ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► becoming programmed into my fingers as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► keyboard shortcuts and by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► mentioned because I said that's like VI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► users I mean these keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► are single letter presses like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► way I reading that newswire or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► used to read Usenet using tin Gmail can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► work the same way I think that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► the reasons the power users like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► that desktop clients are starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► emulate that say oh you can use all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► Gmail keyboard shortcuts on our desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► client that's that's kind of a strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► turn of events where a desktop piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► software is trying to lure people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► interface that they're used to like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► other words the web interface has user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► experience advantages that the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► thing must at least match and provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► because if you don't it's not as good so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► what else about this UI I can at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► of my notes here when you look at it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► there anything that jumps out as you as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► evil I know you don't to use the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► you know I was never a fan of the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► one and to me not not being a extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► maybe you're an extreme user not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► an extreme user this thing I look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► and I think you know looks fine it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► a lot of color it's kind of an anemic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► looking interface overall I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► the way that they do the tags either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► that seems like they're kind of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► way what I don't what I see as tags are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► actually how I've organized things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► our labels rather how I've organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► them in in folders on the Mac in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► client but it's good you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► it's weird because there's this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► minimalist vibe to it but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► quite get it does that make sense yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► best my facts I think they're going for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► they want I mean but what doesn't but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► they didn't get it that did they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► get it that when you when you go for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► minimalistic approach what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► supposed to be doing is you're supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► to be taking the things that are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► essentials and putting them first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► foremost making sure you can do those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► and then letting more advanced actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► it's you know making them findable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► being able to explore them gracefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► appropriate for them like it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► like a Photoshop came out it said we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► gonna go for a minimal interface and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► you I look like the UI for acorn or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► something that's not what Photoshop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► about right a male for good or for ill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► is like this big honkin thing with lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► of features so maybe your approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► shouldn't be like sparrow is minimalist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► right right oh yeah that's what you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► with it's like there's the subject line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► like you just really boiled down Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► Jobs style to just what you need but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► people would have been even more pissed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► if Gmail did that because that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► like that's not their customer base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► Gmail is a full-featured lots and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► so given if you're not going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► the entire nature of the product which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► don't think they should because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► would just make people even more angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► your strategy should be one that fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► with your complicated piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► the strategy for making the Photoshop UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► better is not to make it look like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► acorn UI is that's just not that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► not the way it is it's not the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► of application and so it's like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► want to have the cake and eat it too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► they were like well we keep we keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► every single feature right maybe we hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► a little bit more under these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► hidden menus to reduce visual clutter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► and use all these tricks but no we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► give up the labels and we can't give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► the stars or the important tags or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► little checkboxes all the actions you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► or the menu at the top or you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► did hide contacts can see if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► figure out how to get your contacts if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► you're in the web UI took me a good eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► already supposed I already closed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► down you can make me go back to yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► got to go back to go get the contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► then first of all the idea that contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► is not since tan look in it it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► context Google com like that's not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► context live the contacts are part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► Gmail and Gmail does an awful job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► managing them and I hate it maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► a whole other show huh but you know go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► find content I'm the one looking aqua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► search not chat it's not circles I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► doing find find you know find in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► web browser for the text contacts right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► which I have frequency it okay it's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► in the top bar under more contact right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► is that where you found it that's I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► translate mobile books offers wallet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► shopping blogger reader finance well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► again I'm using I'm using the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► Apps version ah I might be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► maybe it is different at the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► even more that makes it front that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► me like somewhere is pretty bad user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► interface designer is weeping quietly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► a corner no pretty miss you're missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► you're more menu hasn't even more item [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► maybe maybe contacts is under you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► anymore but where I found contacts was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► underneath the Google logo you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► word Gmail in red yes well now I'm well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► I did down triangle I did when I logged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► out of my of my actual like Google Apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► version of Gmail and going into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► actual the actual Gmail I see something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► that is somewhat different yeah so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► Gmail thing has the little turning down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► triangle that indicates to you that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► pop-up menu or indicates someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► knows and that's the only indication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► that tiny little triangle and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► underneath there you see contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► tasks yeah took me a while to find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► not good I don't the other thing I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► to complain about is that this is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► route so you can tell this to look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► realignment which I applaud the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► doing that instead of just letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► everyone do what they want right just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► happens there are realigning under a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► look and style that I don't like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► that I feel is not appropriate for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► properties and one aspect of it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► the way they indicate a selection is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► long as they're not doing it maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► more yeah where's oh there it is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► right so the way they indicate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5758">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► current position of like your like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► cursor because you've got you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► can use the K key to move up messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► and stuff like that is see if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► trigger this go into a message and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► go back and you should see a little blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► border on the left side of the message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► you just went in to write this in yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► you can hit the K key and watch it move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► up that's their indication this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► current message but it's literally two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► pixels wide yeah it is a two picks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► it looks for all the world like a border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► because it is the border they have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► the left-hand border which used to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► exist on this thing it just at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► background image that went bled right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► the edge they made the left-hand border [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► to pixel blue line that is not easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► see that is not obvious it's replacing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► greater than sign kind of like carrot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► type thing you know oh yeah yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► which is a much better indication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► like this is the current thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► pointing to or highlight would be even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► highlight because own they had to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► out what all the highlighted versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► all these hideous colors aren't on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► want to see what that would look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► but this is their this thing this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► line is a border it's carried across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► many properties or that's the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► indicate the currently selected thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► visually and I don't think it works that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► well I think it's not obvious enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► yeah so do the themes do the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► themes help you at all oh I tried them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► all I went through all them like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► save me themes somehow you have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► their Google Labs thing I tried all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► themes all of them are visually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► offensive to me yeah a high contrast one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► like you would think it wasn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► better doesn't it help things it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► makes these really thick lines between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► all the other low contrast I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► makes it worse you don't like the HD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► themes the wood theme or the desk theme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► oh do it I don't like seeing a rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► wood background behind your I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► Hello Kitty and I I see people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► that about the Android one my mother has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► a theme it's like uh like the weather in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► the background which is kind of neat but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► I'm like how do you look at that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► looking at a flea market painting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► constantly you know sorry my email I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► background like the painted Velvet Elvis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► yeah I'm not into these themes it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► like they have revised things it is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► dense than it used to being they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► trying to do this this whole realignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► thing it's just it's just not working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► for me and I find it I find it ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► looking and it's hurting me during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► day because is making me less efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► when I do my email stuff and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► I don't like about it so if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► change back the old one I would but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► not going to go to heroic links to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► I just hope they caught with better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► themes or maybe a labs thing or I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► Chrome from my gmail so I can't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► grease monkey but maybe there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► equivalent you know Chrome extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► I don't know so we you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► deal with change I'll get by but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► real being cranky that's all I got today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► except for Instagram which will continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► to get shoved off it'll be shoved off so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► long and won't even be relevant anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► even if it is relevant right now which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► would question yeah I'll keep I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► it'll still be okay to talk about next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► week okay maybe maybe I'll transfer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► interest and opportunity to finally talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► about patents with which I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► talked about but not today not today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► today is not the right day for them yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► okay so we're done then is wait this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► we are I believe we are all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5959">TS</a>]
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01:39:59 ◼ ► and I'm Dan Benjamin on Twitter and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► well something cuz you don't have a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/6005">TS</a>]
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01:40:11 ◼ ► there's my little I'm so sorry Sarah Q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► so tumblr comm gets almost one post a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► that better be alright everybody thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► for tuning in and we will be back next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk9cQTw/6021">TS</a>]