The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the Intolerable number 166 November 2013 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason smell and I [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► hope we haven't disappointed you have [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► you said to yourself you know about a [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► hundred and sixty episodes the [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► uncomfortable I stopped listening after [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► like a hundred because it it just you [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► know it didn't work for me anymore well [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► I'm glad you somehow turn you into this [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► episode after we disappointed you [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► because that is the topic of this [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► episode disappointments i think most [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► particularly in books we're going to be [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► talking about authors and series that [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► have disappointed us in some way that [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► may have made us say I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► walk away and then why we would we say [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► we would say those things and i have a [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► topical reference that I'm gonna drop [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► that's the other part of this subject [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► before we get there i'm going to [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► introduce my panel of lovely people who [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► are not bitter at all and have no [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► grievances to air tonight [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► ok maybe a few first off the the [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► sunshine of my life mr. happy himself [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► it's scott McNulty high sky hello Jason [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► club man i'm applying hi already I feel [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► uncomfortable all of a sudden okay fair [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► enough fair enough and Morgan is also [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► here the morons like my security blanket [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► he's on every podcast so that i know [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► it's a podcast hi dan I'm the Linus of [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► this i guess now you're not like this [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► I rely this and you're like it let's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► forget it right then so confusing [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I'm more of a wet blanket i Jason I [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► David laura is also here hi David [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► I'm Snoopy's will be very quiet tonight [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► fair enough [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► network this is not the peanuts episode [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► though I just home [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► don't be clear about that and Lisa [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► Schmeisser is here to hi Lisa [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► wah-wah-wah-wah are slow cap [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► well mr. Mizer maybe this is the peanuts [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► someone had to be the adult so bad great [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah it's a it's lisa of course now we [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► all go cook kick a football it's great [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► no we don't we try to kick a football [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► then I got tired of kicking the football [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► after about the seventh time I gave up [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► on it [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► alright so I want to start with talking [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► about Orson Scott Card only because in [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► this game is coming out and every time I [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► bring up Orson Scott Card people give me [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► various reactions one of them is that [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► they don't like you know he's outspoken [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► about he donated money to go to prop [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► eight in California he's a he's a member [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► of the mormon church but he's also been [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► outspoken in lots of ways against sort [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► of gay rights and a lot of people are [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► really down on him for that may want to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► boycott the movie and they want to [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► boycott his books i've also got an [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► undercurrent from a lot of people which [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► is just like I loved ender's game and [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► maybe speaker for the dead and then he [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► just kept writing you know he wrote like [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► a whole other trilogy of books said in [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that universe ecology JC yeah that was [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► Rolla g2 diminishing returns and then he [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► wrote he wrote some other series that [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► people dropped out so so I i wanted to [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► start with him not only because like I [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► said entered under steam is coming out i [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► just reread ender's game [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► I mean really for the first time since i [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► read it and whenever 1991 ready for the [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► first time and I've read a dozen of his [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► books probably and you know I don't I [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► mean people give up on writers and give [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► up on on series for all sorts of [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► different reasons with with card it's [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► more complicated because who the guy is [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► as opposed to just the quality of the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► work overtime but in some ways I I think [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that's just a valid that that are our [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► ideas of who this person is who you know [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► you're taking this journey with who's [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► that the writer that you're replacing [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► yourself and in their hands [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► you know that that that can be relevant [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► to its not just not knowing anything [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► about the writer and just judging them [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► on the page so i just want to start by [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► mentioning him and saying that i read [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► ender's game and you know what I really [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► liked it when I reread it I i think it's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► i think it's a fascinating interesting [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► weird really weird but good a good book [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► and in some ways I think it's a real [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► shame that all of the stuff that Orson [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Scott Card has done have turned so many [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► people off on him since then you know [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► rightly or wrongly I'm not even saying [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► that just because you know i think that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that work and actually speaker for the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► dead [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► dad were pretty good and the movie looks [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► interesting although they baby [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► definitely syfy it up a lot so i don't [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► know if you guys have read at red card [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► and what your takes on understand on [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► card in general are but I thought we'd [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► start there Lisa [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► what do you think the selfish part of my [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► brain always wonders if there's a way [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► for me to read these authors it in such [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► a way where they'll never benefit [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► financially from my attention it's right [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► use books [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► yeah well yes because um water library [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► library mostly i'm still in if i'm still [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► kind of trying to unpack it and tease it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► because this goes beyond science fiction [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► fandom for example i have deeply [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► conflicted feelings about enjoying [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► michael jackson's music as much as I do [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► given what has come out about his [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► behavior [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► I'm really uneasy about everything down [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and pay attention to roman polanski film [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► for much of the same reason and there is [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► that really big question can you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► separate an artist from their work or [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► should you even want to I and the only [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► answer i've been able to come to with [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that is that it helps to know where the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► artist is coming from or what might be [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► driving their work but at the same time [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► it's a two-way relationship so you can [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► choose to take things from it that they [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► may not have intended for you to ahhhh [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the thing that I get out of speaker for [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► the dead for example is the concept of [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► repent it a lot of speaker of the dead [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► is about the concept of repentance and [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► right in the right way to do intensely [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► moral things and the wrong way to do [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► intensely more things and I think in a [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► sort of weird funhouse way it's actually [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► come back onto the card where he has [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► these convictions that a lot of people [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► are going to find repellent but it but [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► you know he's acting like on those [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► convictions and whether or not you think [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it's wrong it's up to you but I almost [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► think that that's a separate [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► conversation from whether or not you [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► should read orson scott card or or or or [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► engage in his work [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► I think I think you kind of have to take [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the work and the the crater formed on a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► very on a case-by-case basis [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► ok what do you think can we separate [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► yard from the artist should we I was [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► just going to say leesa's exactly right [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► it's for me it's a case-by-case thing [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you know i can look at card you know [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► I've never read ender's game i've read [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► exactly one or skirt Orson Scott Card [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► book and it was the abyss and partly [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► that was because i was interested in the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► movie didn't see the movie but when hey [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► a real science fiction author did this a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► name science fiction author to the book [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► so I right you know I'll read it and it [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► was good you know is fine but he's you [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► know he's working from Cameron's script [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► and so I thought well you know what else [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► is he written know I've heard of this [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► number this but I you know I'd kind of [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► burnt out on syfy at the time and by the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► time I came back to syfy I knew much [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► more about him and went yeah I don't [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► really need to read his stuff but then [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► there i mean there are other artists and [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► you know like Michael Jackson it's it is [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► hard now for me to listen to him but [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► even in the midst of when he was alive [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and on trial and all those things was [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► still there is there's a thing of oh [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► it's still good music you know well I I [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► when I go to art galleries and I see [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► these are the paintings by these amazing [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► artists i mean III went to the vanco [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► exhibit in the Rijksmuseum and in in [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► amsterdam and my god but he did his [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► brother 50 the end you know we talked [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► about any of those seven or or or [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► Picasso and invited but Pingo is a good [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► example is like brilliant artist [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► amazingly just a amazing artist but you [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► know he was and he had had mental [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► illness and he was miserable to the [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► people around him and you know at some [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► point I don't know do they have to be [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► dead and gone before you can finally [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► accept the art is what it is and it [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► doesn't really matter is it is it is [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► adjust that they're out there and alive [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and benefiting from your patronage or or [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► is it more insidious than that you have [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► to think that you know every time you [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► look at the van Gogh painting are you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► are you thinking about you know this may [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► be pretty but it's also devastating [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► mental illness and it destroyed his [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► family and his [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► relationships with other people i don't [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► know i think it depends on why you're [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► engaging with the art I mean if you're [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► engaging with the art because you're [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► hoping to use it to build a better sense [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► of who you are and what your self is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► like you're expecting the art to help [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► you clarify your moral or intellectual [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► framework for your help looking for a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► tow to reaffirm or flush out who you [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► think you are then yeah maybe it doesn't [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► matter why this person created what they [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► created because you're using that to [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► build your own value system but if you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► are looking at it because of its [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► perceived literary artistic value in [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► other words you're like I want this to [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► try and open my mind and provide me [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► insight into the human condition or the [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► world at large outside of outside of the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► confines of my head I I i need i'm [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► searching for a way to look at the world [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► or a way to reframe the way I look at [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the world because I I can't just keep [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► looking at things in the same way then [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► you could argue that doesn't matter what [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► the person is like who makes the art [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► what matters is how your what matters is [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► how you perceive it and what and what [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► you take away what person how your [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► perspective has shifted and what you're [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► taking away from that because if you go [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► because the thing is if you go through [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► life thinking of the human cost like [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you'll never be able to step into any [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► cathedral in Europe because then you're [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► thinking oh my god generation upon [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► generation of surface that that limited [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► mud and crap and all they did was spend [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► the entire life carving freezes its [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► horrifying you can look at like that and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► there's something to be said for [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► recognizing that the human effort or if [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► you for example to monticello in [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► Virginia you can admire how beautifully [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► it's laid out and you can take a look at [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► what Thomas Jefferson made and then you [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► remember this is the guy who mortgage to [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► slaves and refuse to free them upon his [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► death because he managed his estate so [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► poorly and the method lessons you take [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► away from that just depend on what [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► you're looking for i think right i mean [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► it's it's funny you mentioned van Gogh [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► because a couple years ago I wrote a [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► play about Van Gogh and so I ain't grid [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► way too many of his letters and you know [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► it's interesting because you know at the [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► time the rest of the art world looked at [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► him and went you can't paint what the [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► hell is that [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► you know they they just rejected [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► outright as being art it's like that's [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► not even worth being in the same [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► conversations go again and you know all [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► these impressionist since is on and you [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► know and so I mean tempt me his history [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► is really tragic i don't look at his art [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► and worried about his life because [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► everything about his life was tragic [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► because of the mental illness and and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► because of the way people were reacting [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► to him but you know someone who is [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► intentionally going out and harming [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► others or is espousing beliefs that are [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► exclusionary to others you know tip to [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► me that that's more of an intentional [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► thing on their part and so it's harder [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► for me to look at their art and separate [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► that out it's like okay what are you [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► trying to say with the art that you're [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► making are you trying to send a message [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► or are you truly be no objective and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► separate from the artwork of the art you [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► know the book or the movie or music or [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► whatever it is I don't know [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► interesting interesting distinction of [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you know whether it's in their lives or [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► whether they're actually trying to use [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► their artists Enda a message is that [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► message questionable dan and Scott you [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► have been silent I i consider you i find [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► you guilty i was waiting quietly yes [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► yeah what do you think [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► well as it i think Lisa hit the nail on [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► the head with a sort of what what are [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► you trying to do with this and I mean [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► there's a value to our that has [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► questionable motivations associated with [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► it i mean i'm not suggesting everybody [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► go out and read mine comp but like [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► there's an argument that that's a [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► valuable thing to read it just in the [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► terms of like from a historical [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► perspective or from a you know incisive [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► you know looking at what is what goes [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► into the construction of AP work like [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► this or you know the films of money [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► right install be whatever you want to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► sort of the truth there's plenty of art [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► that has been made but nothing that [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► Scott's favorites [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► dammit i also had a Nazi reference and I [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► was going to make so I ch3 ch2 the Nazis [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► i'm storing one up to [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► it's called Godwin's race [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► yeah first one to the Nazis terrible [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► first one the Nazis losses I yeah I [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► don't have card it's interesting because [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► i obviously i read him at I don't know [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► 13 or 14 or something before i had any [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► idea of who he was as a person i don't [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► think i found that out for years [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► afterwards and I stopped reading the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► first series because I just kind of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► thought it was dull like I read ender's [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► game I loved ender's game that's like to [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► my mind one of the first examples I can [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► sort of remember of like the twist [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► ending you know and waiting and being [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► surprised by an ending but I went on the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► red speaker for the dead and look this [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► isn't like ender's game this is terrible [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and I never went on to the last two [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► books in that series because I just [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► didn't i didn't really care for speaker [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► for the dead [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► I did however read that entire second [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► series of Enders books in the shed the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► beam and roxrite the a shadow the show [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► what and and basically I Alec Baldwin [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► was a strange choice to play being but [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► in my mind like those always sort of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► slotted in somewhere below ender's game [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► but someone above somewhere above maybe [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► the rest of the original Ender's Game [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► trilogy even though I didn't read all of [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► i I just I like they're not great but i [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► find i found that sort of like [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► entertaining in the same way that you [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► might read like a Tom Clancy novel you [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► know and and to me that's you know they [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► had a value in that any tom clancy's not [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► even a bad point himself like you know [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► there are plenty of writers who are you [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► don't politically agree with I mean [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► which is you know maybe a step and as [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► not as serious from like someone who is [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► actively espousing beliefs that are that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► are hateful right but I think there's a [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► lot of Peter you certainly read a lot of [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► writers who you would disagree with on [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► many issues and so the question becomes [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► where to draw that line you can't say [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► i'm not going to read anything that you [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► know by anybody who doesn't agree with [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► me because you're not only doing you're [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► doing yourself a disservice among other [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► things right your not exposing yourself [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► to other ideas whether they be awful [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► ideas or not we're not saying they have [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► a merit to them but you know to a [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► certain extent it's not good to wall [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► yourself off because in many ways that's [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► what those people are doing right you [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► know if your spouse completes their [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► beliefs their openly hateful and you're [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► rejecting these other things out of hand [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► you're in some ways no better than [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► then if you're just saying i'm going to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► read things that I agree with or authors [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► who is your perspectives i agree with so [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► I I think for me I try really hard to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► divorce the author I mean it's always [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► going to inform it to a certain extent [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► but i'd rather judge the work on the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► merits of the work so that way when I [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► watch like a Michael Bay movie can be [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► like this is awful and I'm not saying [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► that cuz i disagree with michael bay but [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► rather because i think this is bad and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► you know to me that's where it really [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► comes down to is I i think it's worth [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► knowing of you know the author's opinion [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► but and and perhaps letting that color [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► your analysis of it print potentially [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► but i don't think we should necessarily [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► say we're going to boycott everything [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► that we don't agree with because you [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► know that does sort of a head down that [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► weird road of of you know [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► well-intentioned fashion similar gets [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► that far how far does that go [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► I mean that that's not the point I've [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► always made about any boycott is at some [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► point where do you draw that line [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► because you could draw that line in all [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► sorts of ridiculous places there are [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► people who are like I I heard you say [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► there's some people we work with dan who [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► ever i heard you say something bad about [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► this political group that i like and [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► therefore i'm never going to read your [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► stuff again it's like okay I guess you [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► could do whatever you want but at some [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► point it's just ridiculous and you're [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► right you know you should we should be [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► tolerant at least your point of of [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► people who have got different reason I i [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► understand that at some point it crosses [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► a line and that line is very is very [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► hazy you could choose not to read things [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► that you really like make you I mean to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► make you uncomfortable or you that you [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► just don't like i mean i think that's [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that's perfectly valid you know it and [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► in the interesting thing is always to me [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► like there are plenty of books in which [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► there are think on tent that people find [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► directly objectionable like for example [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► I don't know you know I've know very [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► little about like Stig Larson and how he [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► was a person but I know plenty of people [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► who can read his books because they [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► thought that it was just a warrant that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► kind of stuff that he detailed yet the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► level of detail of the computers that [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► are used by the characters [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► books as quick update some whore and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► raizy offense Scott I know you have a [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► very detailed rubric that you use when [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► determining what books are going to read [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► and whether the authors can pass your [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► strict ideological tests right i well [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► know I i go about judging authors much [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► like I go about judging people [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► I seen that everyone is awful because [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► you know the more you find out about [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► someone [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the less you like them gently in my [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► experience the Raymond Chandler but if [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► you like the book don't meet the author [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► exactly so I don't I don't I don't want [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► to know anything about the authors that [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► i read about because it invariably I [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► will find out like some book that i love [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► is written by some giant racist who [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► hates everybody that will just ruin the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► book for your against Giants I was [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► really devastated when I found out that [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► marion zimmer bradley had been married [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► to a pederast and defended him for years [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► I i was very sad about the whole laura [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► ingalls wilder and how she's arranging [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► libertarian yeah i got i was talking to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► my parents about that the other day and [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I still now I just feel ya you don't [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► want to know about it and it's just like [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► too much information you're right Scott [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► it's um i would recommend people not [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► interact with authors whose books a [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► treasure on Twitter that's no no no no [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► good advice you might say something [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► negative about a well-known sci-fi [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► writer who's also books in a series that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► kind of didn't go as well later on and [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► then it then you interact with him and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► discovered that he's kind of a mean jerk [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► it happens which is a pity because I I [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► like one of his books very much should i [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► do too I do too [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► yeah and again it's like let's just keep [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► those separate I can't i mean i don't [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► think anyone can go through life without [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► separating the author from there or the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► artist from their work in some degree or [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► another because awful people make [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► beautiful things just happens and you [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► can appreciate the beautiful thing [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► without agreeing with what the awful [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► person does and and vice versa right so [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► I mean so sure i don't agree with Orson [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► Scott Card's views on many things [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► but i also think he wrote a fantastic [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► book that people should read I don't [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► know if the movie will be any good but [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► i'm not going to not see it because i [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► don't agree with what Orson Scott Card [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► things right here we got paid he's [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► probably got very little in the in the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► royalties beyond the option for the book [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► so you're not actually financially [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► harming him by not going and seeing it [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► right he's already been paid that I once [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► went to see Orson Scott Card talk and [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► people should be happy to know that he [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► said he is unhappy writing science [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► fiction and he wants to direct plays so [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► just writing these books to cash it in [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► so all right let's take a minute away [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► from disappointment to talk about our [TS]

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00:20:43 ◼   ► disappointment into excitement over a [TS]

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00:21:35 ◼   ► as five different pairs that you think [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► now maybe I look good in that and they [TS]

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00:21:52 ◼   ► prescription glasses [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► the one that you like the best out of [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► those five let's say they get started on [TS]

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00:21:58 ◼   ► 10 business days so it's internet [TS]

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00:22:50 ◼   ► uncomfortable so ender's game you know [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► Scott mentioned it I i just read it [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► again it's it's good it's really good i [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► think the themes are interesting i think [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► it's not only is it you know it [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► the pace is good its setting an [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► interesting future time eight there [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► there's some subtle things in it that I [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► didn't really get when I was you know 19 [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► or 21 i read it that I got this time I [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► he doesn't he doesn't very good things [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► in it in terms of setting the stage and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► giving you you know not telling you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► everything about the state the worlds in [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► but you you very slowly realize how [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► messed up this world is because it's [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► been invaded a couple of times by aliens [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► it's got a lot of interesting themes [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► yeah there's stuff in it that you know [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► knowing something about the author you [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► look at i highlighted align that is [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► talking about Battle School there are a [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► few girls they don't often passed the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► test to get in too many centuries of [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► evolution are working against them [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► yes that's right ladies you've evolved [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► to not be in Battle School sorry its [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► evolution [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► what can you do something in there about [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► all the all the generals in the military [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► forces being Jewish which I thought was [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► bizarre but there's also some really [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► beautiful stuff in there [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► I you know the fact that it ends but the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► fact that it ends not with the rousing [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► victory but with the fact that it's all [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► been a trick and start spoiler horn for [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► ender's game which was released a [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► million years ago I 1985 what I really [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► what I really like about the way it ends [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► is that it ends up being you know you [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► make your main character having [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► committed genocide Venus or Serena sighs [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► yeah and he and him dealing with that [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► and like realizing that he can't stay [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► around earth anymore and I I you know I [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► thought it was you know fascinating in [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that way too so that I mean there's a [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► lot of it and you could do an entire you [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► know you could do an entire episode the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► uncomfortable you could do it an entire [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► book club at your house invite some [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► people over and talk about the themes in [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► the book at it I i really do it's too [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► bad that it's gotten caught up in some [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► ways because although I I don't think [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► it's perfect and I do think there might [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► be things that people could have jumped [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► to in it automatically it's really [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► entertaining to read and it's there's a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► lot in it so that's a shame because it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► is i mean he card didn't just shoot [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► himself in the foot you know he shot his [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► his catalog in the foot by making the [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► claims that he made in the and made [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► himself unpopular and it's too bad [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► because I I'm interested in seeing the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► movie and the book was really great i [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► had forgotten how good it was [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► so that's my there's my book report [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that's the yeah yeah it's too bad even [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► even even that's that sort of things [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► like even people who arguably have [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► terrible views can produce a work of [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► great beauty which this you know that's [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► the sad truth of what I hit the nail on [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the head there you know it is there lots [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► of awful people who made amazing art and [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► I i feel like the one thing I understand [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► is people being reluctant to compensate [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► awful people who are still alive for the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► aren't they made because they don't want [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► to give them money even if the art is [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► what it is they don't want to support [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► their this awful person's life i get [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► that i guess but i don't know there's [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► there's a terrific story by harlan [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► ellison I anything of wonderful big yeah [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► at once it's in the book strange wine [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► and it's called Hitler painted roses and [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► it's about a man who [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► visits he'll basically and I don't think [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► he goes in but the gates crack open a [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► little bit and at the end of the story [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► he just sees the most beautiful painting [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► his ever seen and it's just gonna roses [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► all over this wall and he looks and the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► artist is you know chart and horrific [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► and any and that turns and he realizes [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► it's a filler [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► yeah and it's the most beautiful thing [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► he's ever seen as the gates of Hell [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► clothes and that's the end of the story [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► and it was like well Harlan would know [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► how how I I say that with a shelf of [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► Harlan Ellison and yet but your feet [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► away from me [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► yep this is why I never follow any of my [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► favorite authors on Twitter don't do it [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► no no no do not do it the only authors [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► that I fall I follow I I do follow Neal [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► game and john scalzi on Twitter and I [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► like I feel like what they're doing on [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► Twitter so divorced from their actual [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► work that I can do that but if it was i [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► I even then i get some some trepidation [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► about it's like do I really wanna spend [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► a lot of time thinking about neil gaiman [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► and and his wife and and all their [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► different projects and how peculiar I [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► think his wife is the more I learn about [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► your game in the the more the more I [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► don't want to know that the more warped [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► the lens to the job because I don't want [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► to know I i enjoyed him when he's [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► context-free for me [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► yeah I mean oh oh for the days when you [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► would get a book and you would see a [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► name on the cover and you would know [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► nothing about who this person was and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► you just read the book and it was [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► completely free of context [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► yeah I didn't know it was an expert or [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► who this is why i love it when TV show [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► runners leave twitter is is I I think [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it's best for Ike I think it's best for [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► all involved when when creative [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► professionals don't engage with their [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► audience on that level because I worry [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that it creates the kind of feedback [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► loop where the audience ends up [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► contemptuous of of this person oh my god [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► this this person whose work I analyzed [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► has feet of clay burnham he's a witch [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► and I feel like it also introduces a [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► level of anxiety or or even [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► second-guessing into a creative [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► professionals process we're absolutely [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► changes their voice and it changes the [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► quality of the output [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and so I don't want that i don't i don't [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► feel like there should be any need to [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► find out what Neil Gaiman amanda palmer [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► up to on any given sunday morning [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► yeah it's like when Damon Lindelof lift [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► Twitter the other week smart in there it [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► was very smart of him but he he did it [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► with a tweet that's unfinished right [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► he's just stops in the middle of a word [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► kind of the sopranos that's awesome [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► oh my god that's great but I saw a whole [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► bunch of people go me and he couldn't [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► even end that well it's like what's the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► point that was the point because you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► guys know I recap sons of anarchy for [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► television without pay [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► yeah and this is the reason I don't [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► follow Kurt Sutter on twitter is I don't [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► want to know I don't I i actually do not [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► feel the need to to find out what any of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► those cats associate with the shower [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► thinking or how they're interacting with [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► fans because on Twitter their job is to [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► present a persona that sells their [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► product and I'd rather just look at the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► look at the show on its own merits [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► instead and we hate p sub tweeted [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► another TV critic friend of mine the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► other week another one in addition to [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► have to work because he yes and see [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► here's the thing and I say this and next [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► thing you know I'm gonna be like he's [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► never ever said anything about word that [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► I've written so I think he's not aware [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► of my existence and that's like under [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the readers gonna follow him is to make [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► sure that like I never I never come I [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► never crossed the kurt sutter radar [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► that's kind of sad in some ways because [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► you know i was just i followed Damon [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Lindelof you're just talking about it [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► and like he was actually hilarious for [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► reasons that had nothing to do with his [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► purple yes work and like that's the sad [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► thing is that we never do his his awful [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► reply stream which was full of jerks all [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► i can hear you that's not entirely true [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► because actually he retweeted oh that's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► right a bit but you know there is a [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► thing about that there is a you know an [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► issue with that where it's just sort of [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► like what do you do you know how it can [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► an author or creator be on there and [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► just be like talking about their mundane [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► stuff or just even that develop grit [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► sand and Scott and I try very hard not [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► to follow Sean Maguire on twitter [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► because I might have my humanize her and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► then we wouldn't we would be sad about [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► saying mean things about all of the [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► mirror grant books by the way [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► well as we're recording this a new [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► mirror grant book was released released [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► parasite so get ready i'm not really and [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► so the the other side of it is good [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► people can make awful art yeah yeah [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► actually this is true this is true too [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► so it's that's the date that's the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► danger it's the old my friend wrote a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► book do you know [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► hey do you want to read it sure oh my [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► god it's horrible what do I say right oh [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► yeah I had to stop doing that with plays [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► interesting font well you know to speak [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► of the whole could be good people make [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► terrible art that people make good art [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► in good in good omens which is [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► co-written by Neil Gaiman and terry [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► pratchett they have a theory that most [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► of the musicians end up in Hell except [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► for like online hate and they're like [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► yeah I have been super boring from a [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► musical perspective good musicians are [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► terrible people right and I enjoyed that [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► little that little throwaway true [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► although I yeah although I will admit [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that i have a non-critical adoration for [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► terry pratchett because he seems like a [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► really interesting and easy-to-use he's [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► delightful man i know i've seen him [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► speak its argument once it was great [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it's another episode that we haven't [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► done the terry pratchett episode I'll [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► just tell me how to host when I believe [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► that but I've only read a couple I way [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► we can do it i will have only read a [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► couple of his books but yes you can [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► again i have read every discworld book [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► even like the children's books but now [TS]

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00:33:44 ◼   ► Lisa you just said that you've read all [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the Discworld books so obviously you [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► never felt the need to abandon terry [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► pratchett during during that path but [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► now i know i know that there are things [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► that you started out as something to eat [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► that that you all loved and that it [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► didn't end well right is that the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► initial rush of the relationship it's [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► everything's great everything's doing [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► really well this is true for for we're [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► talking about books here but it's really [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► true of all art and then and then after [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► a while like oh yeah I don't know it's [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► not working for me anymore [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► we basically about you it's not [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► everything wait wait it is you o.o i [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► have i have i'm sure i've ranted about [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► others but the two it's from the mind [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► when I remember I was doing this podcast [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► I'm a huge part i'm not huge but a [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► fairly added John Varley fan and i don't [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► know how many of you guys have read John [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► Varley but yeah he's he's known he's [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► written a couple different world [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► building efforts what the most [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► interesting to me is the eighth world [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► where the idea is that humanity was run [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► off by humanity was run off the planet [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► earth by a superior alien intelligence [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► that regards them as viruses and turns [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the planet over to the cetaceans and so [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► as a result people have to colonize the [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► orbiting moons in the solar system and a [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► lot of the eighth world stuff he does [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► talks about their short stories that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► talk about the kind of scientific or [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► social developments that let you meant [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► to keep on being humanity and then he's [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► got a series which which is called the [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► gay a trilogy which is a pretty tightly [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► written series um in 2003 he launched a [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► new series about [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► Martian exploration the thunder [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► lightning series and red Thunder is a [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► really good book [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's a it's it's a breezy read but it [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► doesn't shy away from because he wrote [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► it right around the time it is a very [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► post-911 book a lot of ways and it's [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► it's a fairly even-handed look at how [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► people might react 10 15 years down the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► line how when you get focused on things [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► like like fuel scarcity or political [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► paranoia really big ambitious projects [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► like SpaceX exploration are huge [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► casualties and how that ultimately [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► detrimental to to who we are as a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► society we don't have the shared goals [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► we don't have anything bigger to look at [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► and so red lightning is a really good [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► book Rolling Thunder which is the second [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► outweigh red thunder is the first book [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► it's great red lightning second book [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► it's not bad there's it's about Mars [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► declaring its independence from from [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► Earth so the third book Rolling Thunder [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► is awful awful awful and I have [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► literally in by this point um the author [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► has basically written what it reads like [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► a dirty old man's letter to the editor [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► where I was an idiot savant who develop [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► some form of hyperspace travel but have [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the IQ of a twelve-year-old the rest of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the time however the 6-foot tall sexy [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► amazon has decided that i'm the one for [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► her and I was just so angered by how [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that turned out that that I oh I'm done [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► I'm done I i had to put on the book [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► halfway through I'm unfinished uh-huh [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► no no no and now varley's released like [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► one more novel slow apocalypse and I [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► can't bring myself to purchase it [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► because I don't even want to know where [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► it's going to go but this is like [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► recommendations and a nun [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► recommendations i read this book then [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► stop [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► I went yeah i would i would actually if [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► it's john hurley anything he's written [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► before 2003 i would i would recommend [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► without hesitation and stop and then [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► stop [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► are you sure this isn't more like [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► therapy could but what for me or for him [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► differently the ross yeah show us where [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► the bad author hurt your feeling about [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► how does that make you feel Issa I [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► podcasting therapy III [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► headed down I'm just saying that's the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► fitness a real thing well so the thing [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► that's that I've always fun really great [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► about John Varley is he's one of the few [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► male hard sci-fi authors who writes [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► women as protagonists and and nodded and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► who I'm so transgressive way he just [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► write them as people like two of his [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► strongest characters are the policewoman [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and Louise bak who's in a lot of the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► eight worlds short story and eight world [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► short stories and the heroine of the gay [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► trilogy scirocco scirocco Jones um see I [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► want to make a coupling reference here [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► but now I feel mad i said i was going to [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► rock Obama i was usually rights women's [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► people you know in many ways Lisa they [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► are nothing and um I will admit when I [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► first started reading him as a young [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► woman in my teens and in my twenties a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► lot of short stories deal with things [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► like say 12 and 14 year olds having sex [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► with adults and that's just a cultural [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► thing and i was looking back you know [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► head explodes because I'm 16 or 17 but [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► he also explores the notion that gender [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► is fluid and you should have the option [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► of changing your biology to reflect you [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► feel like you're inside and it was [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► remarkably for forward-looking treatment [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► of gender in the seventies and eighties [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► and he had a lot of pretty caustic and [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► interesting things to say about society [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► building Rolling Thunder just made me [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► sad because again it feels like you know [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► after after years of sensitive and [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► intelligent assessments of the wage it [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► gender and society are our bizarre [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► feedback loop it turns into oh she's a [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► she's a 6-foot Martian who hates to work [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► clothes [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► he's an idiot savant wonder who invents [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► hyperspace travel together they are [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► yes bring their way through 3rd web is [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► to get together hold on [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► ya know it was just it was just it felt [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► like a betrayal of everything that he [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► had done in his earlier work where he [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► had had these very nuanced picture [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► pictures of the weight of why people [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► choose to have relationships and had [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► reduced and said his titular heroin to [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► this this this bouncy sex object I i was [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► really kind of offended by that at least [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► the bad news is john farley is a [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► incredibly generous person who gives to [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► charity and notice people at the local [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► soup kitchen how did and he's a [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► wonderful person how dare you say [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► terrible things about no wait wait a [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► second that's not that's the different [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► podcast Scott do you have anybody who's [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► wronged you [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► well author really haha in that case [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► it'll make your head [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► I have to redo a lot of worry and they [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► say I know the first five pages or just [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► an overdose show you this is a creepy at [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► I well I think that there is a kind of a [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► classic one that I know I'm not the only [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► person who thinks that Frank Herbert oh [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► yes he has written a masterpiece in doom [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► and whatever you do read nothing else by [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► him or else you will be very sad i [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► thought as my met my recollection is [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► that the second doing book is ok that's [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► where I stopped [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► yeah and then I tried to read the third [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► one and I'm so I guess technically I'm [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► still trying and I never finished it was [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► a book ever really don't give up the [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► fight [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► no reason I i got about halfway through [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► God improve doing which is the fourth [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► one and you know after about a hundred [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► pages from the point of view of what's [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► his name turned into a sandworm i just [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► went no I'm down [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► I god no but let's be clear to dune [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► although classic the first what 250 [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► pages three other pages is pretty pretty [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► hard rowing 02 right before really it [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► starts to pick up after that they'll [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► really mr. to move after 3 h 300 but [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► don't yet don't stick up there and the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► other one that i think i've talked about [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► before is a the wheel of time i'll see [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you so mine so I know that people have [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► made that I could not read the first [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► book i got like a hundred pages in and [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► some kid was walking through a village [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the entire time [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► it's like I don't care and I stop [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► freaking i read seven of them and that [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► was like up to the point where they were [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► like I think i read them when I was like [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► 15 or 16 or something and you know that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► was the most recent one that I come out [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► with the seventh one I [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► the own the eighth one it was a [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► Christmas gift never read it and then [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► what they're like 13 14 in total i mean [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► they got taken over by a brandon [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► sanderson after robert jordan passed [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► away over [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► yeah well not so hostile the robert [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► jordan thing for me part of it was just [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► the inertia of it like I got to the i [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► finished seventh 1 the eighth one came [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► out like years later and it was that [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► moment of oh my god i will have to [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► reread those first seven books to [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► remember what the hell happened [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► no it wasn't that good yeah I think I [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► can sort of piece together where this [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► whole series was going so yeah that was [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► that was one of mine for sure the other [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► one I had was a charles stross actually [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► I read the first book of his a merchant [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► Prince's series is actually kind of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► entertaining you know has to deal with [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► like parallel universes and people can [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► jump between these parallel universes [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and then there's one that's more like [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► medieval and one that's more colonial [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and like the first book was pretty good [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► and kind of it ended where he like [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► killed a character what i thought was [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► like one of the more sympathetic [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► characters which you know sometimes you [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► can get away with and then I realized [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► reading the next few books like kinda [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► hate everybody else in this room and [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► then it just kind of goes off the rails [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► and like they're like they're finding [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► more parallel universes and I'm like all [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► right you need to be like a wrapping [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► this up not quite like expanding the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► scope so I'm fortunate I've read i read [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► some stuff I've enjoyed by him but like [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► that series just to me just took a sharp [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► left turn into crazy town [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► well that's not the crazy to have cut [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► off you have to make with hard left [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► otherwise you go straight to go off a [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► cliff that geography crazy town [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it's confusing because it's you know [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► it's crazy down its crazy town [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► forget it Jake it's crazy hey David you [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► have a any examples of those who series [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► or authors who've wronged you [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► well a couple I mean you know a lot of [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► these books like dune and and wheel of [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► time and and game of thrones I I mean [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► the control right now I now take that [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► george RR martin I wasn't you know [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► invested in themselves are like well [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► alright they're just not for me but then [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► there are some things where it's like [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► what's the old Dorothy Parker line this [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► is not a book to be tossed aside lightly [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► it should be thrown with [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► great force yes that would be got [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► improve dude but is the the authors who [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► disappointed me and this might be heresy [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► to anne mccaffrey Oh give a choice [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► yeah I you know I love the first 3 / [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► novels and I you know the Harper all [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► books were in all right i didn't really [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► you know but I read the mother for [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► little kids [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► compare yeah the dream yeah I started [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and they just kept going and going you [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► know number words when they do you [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► discover the AI and he has them invent a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► you know this is silicon glass and that [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► he hasn't reinvent spacesuits and and [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► taking the drains into space [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► ah if I thought that was an awesome know [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► it sounds awesome [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► I that was the 1i think that's the last [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► one that for me it really has been light [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► generating here's how you and your [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► microphase don't wait what the world [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► with dragons and that he has a good [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► here's how you manufacture insulated [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► spaces for dragons and wait wait yeah [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and while just gonna win [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► i I can't talk about but then again i [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► read it like 15 minutes of continued as [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► like I got so I think it was for me [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► again it was really when she started [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► like often characters know and like [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► focusing on characters that I didn't [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► care about and really yeah the last few [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► one sadly the last few that she wrote [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► which I think we're mainly written by [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► her son i believe oh I tried to read [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► what i resigned over just they're just [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► really boring like it's you're like okay [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► you know the same for character is [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► exactly the same plots is the same plots [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► swishing filmic fiction which is the [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► worst type of fiction it's I i remember [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► when Rita dragon lady of Pern came out [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► on and that that was such a big thing [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► because it had been so many years and [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► she put out a prayer novel right since [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► it was like this big event right and so [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► yeah the more they just went on was like [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► oh well I still love the first well [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that's factors involved here I mean you [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► mentioned it the age to some of this is [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► you discover something as a kid and you [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► love it and it and it literally is it's [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► not you it's me it's like I grew up and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► you're the flaws of these this series [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► were revealed because [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► I was no longer that impressionable [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► starry-eyed thirteen-year-old was [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► reading them or you know and so that's [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► going on and then simultaneously you [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► know you're not no longer reading the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► first or second book in the series that [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► made it famous [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► you're reading books seven and things [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► may be kind of their they're patting it [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► out because this is serious become [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► profitable and then so that's working [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► against it too so it means that I [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► suppose that really happens all the time [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► I can remember being a teenager and [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► picking up the mall or e ad which were [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► the David reading books that following [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► reading books about the belgariad and i [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► remember reading through the malaria and [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► the first one being like a repetitious [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► phrases and then you know the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► characterizations kind of flat like 15 I [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► can figure this out so I under [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► well I understand if you create this [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► fictitious world i understand that you [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► know you've built this world and you're [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► invested in it and maybe you're writing [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► them for you and for your own personal [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► gratification as much as you are for the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► money they bring in um for example one [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► of my favorite series stopped after [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► three books written by very very heart [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► or hearts it's aah ugh [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► hey Artie and he starts the first 1i [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► think it's called the bridge of birds [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► and there's it's their set in an [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► alternate alternate medieval china for [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► under medieval china isn't the right [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► word but it's basically one of the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► Imperial dynasties and it's about an [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► ancient sage and his his young dominance [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► of an incredibly compassionate companion [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► and how they outwit magic and tricksters [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► and Dragons and Larry since i can't [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► pronounce his last name is dr. after [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► stopped reading after book 3 because as [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► he explained to the press it wasn't [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► renew motive I wasn't selling enough of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► these to justify the time and in [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► research i was putting into them so [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► screw you i said i'm now a bookseller [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► because it's a lot more money than that [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► then when I was wrong and author you [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► know my kids love the ricky ricardo [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► series by Dave pilkey and that's that's [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► a book for every planet in the Solar [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► System and and in the the I think [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Jupiter book or the saturn book and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► promises what the next book is going to [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► be and what happened is that captain [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► underpants which day pilkey also does [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► became a wild hit and and and then four [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► years what they would say and and didn't [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► have my wife the library they'd be like [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► where's the next week here accounting [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► book we did all the research too because [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► it said there was another one said the [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► Neptune book it's coming and and it [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► turns out that the Assad answer that you [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► don't want to tell a child who wants to [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► know where the next Ricky Ricardo book [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► that they were promised is is Captain [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► Underpants proved to be far more [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► profitable and therefore these books [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► will not be written and it turns out [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► they actually will they're going back in [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► print with an illustrator and that just [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► came out a month ago but it was [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► definitely one of those things with the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► Commerce came and it was like I have I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► have a more popular series over there so [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► screw you guys I'm going over there [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► alright that's sad but you know I can [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► see I can see where it's really nice to [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► mean in a way i really like the JK [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► Rowling the weight i love the way she [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► personally potter and that she spent [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► five years just planning her world she [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► brought her seven books she's knocked [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► off like a few you know mythical beast [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► or whatever as as you know supporting [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► projects but she's not coming back with [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► you know harry potter and the [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► increasingly gnarly lon project her or [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► whatever it would be like harry potter [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► and the vagaries of middle-aged yes [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► yeah she's like I'm gonna happen i'm [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► done and I hope it doesn't happen but I [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► like that she wasn't and it helps that [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► she's made like frilly unless he goes [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and she doesn't need any more money so [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► she can but I like that she had a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► beginning and an ending because I think [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► sometimes our authors they've invested [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► so much time and energy it's hard to let [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► go and say goodbye Harry Potter is [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► another one that I stopped breathing [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► uh I i did stop after the 14 that she [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► got better and then she got a little [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► more self-indulgent but I i enjoyed them [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► through like them all [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► yeah we've had a podcast we have had [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that one thanks if you can look back in [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► the archive for that one the the other [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► heresy that I have perhaps is speaking [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► of not knowing when to let go [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► douglas adams yeah I got halfway through [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► life the universe and everything is like [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you know I this the first one was fun [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► the radio show was fun the BBC show was [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► fun i'm good i don't need anymore and I [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► kept trying to read the others you know [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► I'd be like alright i'll try this one [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► and even even the UN colfer one that [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► they just [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► a man was like like the first 3i like [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► the classic trilogy I thought the fourth [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► one was a disappointment until the until [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► the very last I think next to last [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► chapter was actually interesting and [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► then you know i would i would actually [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► argue i think the douglas adams after [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► whatever 1984 1986 or something didn't [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► do anything because I know there are [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► people who defend those Dirk Gently [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► books I thought they were terrible and I [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► pleasant worse they're worse than [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► terrible they were actually just him [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► rifling through his old doctor who [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► scripts for ideas and then putting them [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► into novel form so anybody who had seen [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► or read about chadha or or city of death [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► or any of those old doctor whose stories [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► he was just lifting those stories that [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► he wrote and using them to see seem to [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► have no new ideas so as as tragic as it [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► was that he died so young [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► honestly I I at that point I he had it [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► had been a while since he'd written [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► something that I thought was really [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► great hehe he did a lot of other things [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► that interested him and he wrote the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► story about it [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► his book about endangered animals and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► things like that which I think had much [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► more of his interest and then [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► hitchhikers was just sort of and even [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► Dirk Gently was sort of you know [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► paycheck fodder for him [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► yeah but I've gotta gotta got a few when [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► we were talking about childhood authors [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► especially i read a lot of Piers Anthony [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah autobiography of space [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► tyrant the split infinity blue a jet a [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► depth juxtaposition trilogy is actually [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► pretty good in that is this bizarre [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► sci-fi fantasy thing and if you're a [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► teenager in love sci-fi and fantasy it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► kind of sticks all together and there's [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► a game metaphor like ender's game kinda [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► it or hunger games it's it's sort of [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► reminiscent of that but it's so that as [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► a standalone work you know that's fine [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► but here's the thing so he did the sand [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► books which are still being published [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► I know and if you go back spell for [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► chameleon why would I read a bunch of [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► these my wife read a bunch of these [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► first off you go back what you discover [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► is that keynote a he said hes a dirty [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► old man even when he was younger own [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► minds around and spell for chameleon [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► it's got a lot of questionable things in [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► it and the sandbox do in general buttons [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► that he had that they started the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► ability to consent during sex oh my god [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► biol the same space [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► tyrant series which was also marketed I [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► think you know because he was an [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► adolescent themed writer in so many ways [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► he that book is so dirty in so it in so [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► many wrong awful all these little wit [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► not even like the kind of thing where [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► you pass it around the back of the [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► classroom with your friends and i would [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► check out page whatever like we did with [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► you know i'm forever it was the kind of [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► thing where as you're reading about rape [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► and incest and so on so forth [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► you're like yeah yeah butBut Sam [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► clinical section sexual details [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► involving people of inappropriate ages [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► yeah it's just there's there's a lot of [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► it'sit's really horrifying and I don't [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► know if this was supposed to be the big [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► statement oh you know terrible things [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► happen when violence in reality [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► depredation but I never got the sense [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► well it was a deal with his statement [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► he's awful [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► um it was it was the kind of thing where [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► even what because i read that series [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► like middle school and I can remember oh [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► yeah feeling violated by it was kind of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► confused by what i had read and trying [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► to figure out like how much of it was my [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► own instincts say now now this is wrong [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► and and how much of it was me being in [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► over my head if you know it's i'm a big [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► believer that you should supervise too [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► much of kids read because this is how [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► they form them that their sense of self [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► and their way of interacting with the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► world but man oh man that that was [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► something where it was a big fat on the [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► positive side at a relatively young age [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► Lisa we learned about various sexual [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► positions that can be done in zero-g so [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► that I could never happen at this base [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► pairs Anthony and I also bring up your [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► sanity because in terms of series that [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► disappointed you on a pale horse is [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► actually a really good book about death [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► and then he proceeded to write that same [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► book like seven more times like I'm not [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► kidding [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the same book he would change the [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► characters and it was almost Russian [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► like I guess in a sense it was like the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► same events from another perspective but [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► it was no it was just the same [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► hey that book was successful I'll write [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► it again seven times and and and so he [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► just heat he's on my list because it's [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► like I appreciated when I was younger [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► that's part of it but he also squeeze as [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► much out of a serious as he could [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► and continues to do so with sand and in [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► hindsight it wasn't that great but you [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► know all the inappropriate stuff that's [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► in there and and it's only I think [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► gotten worse and yeah so he's on my list [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► i want to mention to others [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► Great Bear I who love music be blood [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► music a great novella turned into a ok [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► novel he wrote a couple books Darwin's [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► radio and Darwin's children i think is [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► the second one and i have not had much [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► more visceral reaction to a book as to [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► direct the sequel to Darwin's radar was [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► radio wasn't great [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► Darwin's children I I like if if it had [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► been a paper book I would have thrown it [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► across the room but it was on my kindle [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► value my kindle so I didn't but I think [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► with prejudice delivered price West well [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► III guess what I'd say is it you know [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► people and people can enjoy what they [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► like but for a hard sci-fi writer to [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► suddenly turn on a dime and start [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► talking about like preaching about [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► indefinable higher power messages from [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► God in these characters heads [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► it was like oh yeah okay goodbye not why [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► I know not why I read your book what [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► what okay you know it's like whoa ok [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► whatever path you're on now good for you [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► not what I signed up for when i read [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► your books so I felt that there's some [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► author betrayal there and I I he's not [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► he's on my list i'm not going to read [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► anything by him and i want to mention [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► Robert Sawyer who is at eight a somewhat [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► critically praised but i think actually [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► kind of a mediocre writer he's okay as [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► his ideas are interesting but he did [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► flash forward and I'll i read a [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► Neanderthal parallax is what I want to [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► talk about hominids is a book that got [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► some discussion and it's interesting [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► it's about a parallel universe where [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► Neanderthals are one the sort of [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► revolutionary battle and bridges created [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► between the humans and the and the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► Neanderthal world and and it's sort of [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► interesting and yet those books that i [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► read the sequel [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► No so I just a little warning there [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► don't don't read more no more Robert [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► Sawyer that Neanderthal parallax books [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► because i thought they were really awful [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► and the first one was passable so I [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► think the turning the fellas in two [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► novels can be problematic period your [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► blood music is a great example of that [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► with a fantastic moment Seacrest is [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► bakers in Spain is another because it [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► was a great it was a great novella which [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► is basically about what happens when you [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► engineer people who don't need to sleep [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► and and how are they treated by the rest [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► of society and how did they react and [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► respond return because that they that [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► they're essentially immortal because the [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► the that by the body chemistry tix that [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► make them not need sleep also happen to [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► refresh rejuvenate ourselves and so [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► they're never going to age and they get [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► resentful of society and so on and so [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► forth and it was a great novella and she [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► turned it to novel which I thought was [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► kind of Dragon places and then she [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► turned it into a trilogy and i should [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► say this i really enjoyed an Seacrest as [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► a sci-fi writer and I think she's one of [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► the few that actually I'm tackles issues [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► of of class and intellectual and social [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► mobility as opposed to automatically [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► hand-waving with and after the war there [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► is prosperity and now we all have [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► opportunity because its star trek um she [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► doesn't do that she talks about you know [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► the disruption that science or [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► technology can bring about and how some [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► people get left behind some people don't [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► and she doesn't really engaging in funny [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► way I love her authorial voice but I [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► really wish like she had just stopped me [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► like okay I had a novella called Biggers [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► in Spain it was pretty awesome got the [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► radar [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► I'm going to move on to something else [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► oh because I made the mistake of reading [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► the the back the last two because i have [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► this this perverse completest instinct [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► or if there's a series i always try to [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► read all the way through to see how it's [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► going to work and by the third 1i mall [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► oh no oh no oh no and and i ended up [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► kind of you doing that the really [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► equivalent of putting like the hands [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► over the eyes are watching a horror film [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► just kind of skimming through and and [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► you I don't like the characters keeping [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► this paragraph at rickhouse I i think a [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► lot of artists who have one big success [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► as always you know a the questions [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► always can repeat it but one of those [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► questions is are they going to try to [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► repeat [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► what got the mirror they are they going [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► to do something new and say what you [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► like that wanted to try this and and you [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► know the history is littered with the [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► you know make mediocre follow ups and [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► some of those are our because they [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► didn't do what they did [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► didn't do what they did [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► for and some of those are because they [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► tried to do exactly what they did before [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► and they didn't show it and you see what [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► writers was like I'm just gonna make [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► this into a series and so I i get y [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► series exist because it's you know once [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► you get somebody you build that audience [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► and you keep them on the hook but on [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► another level you know it ends up [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► sometimes just turning into a cash grab [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► it's like you know III what do I do with [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► this great audience who liked this book [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► well i guess i'll just write another [TS]