00:00:04 ◼ ► a weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► nothing is so perfect that it cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► siracusa I am Dan Benjamin today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► Friday April 13th Friday the 13th this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/20">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► sponsors we'd like to thank both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► every me.com get harvest calm we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/30">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► tell you more about them as the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/34">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► goes on as always we also want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► thank you very very much to join Khan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/37">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► who provides the bandwidth for this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/39">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► many far episodes we host with them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► should too joint come on you live from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/44">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► Skype 5 Skype 5 yes I don't know of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/49">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► all my settings are right I unchecked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► the thing that said like automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► adjust microphone something or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► good automatically adjust microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► otherwise I haven't tweaked it coz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/64">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► just got sick of the other skype so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► know I gotta find where the mute button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/68">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► is in this interface it's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► microphone all right here we go let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/73">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► see hey it worked and I can actually see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/74">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► struggling with that other one weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/81">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► you yeah as a sec of it not working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► so now I'm dealing with this gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► interface that it I don't know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► but if it works we'll go with it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► sound the same uh yeah it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► different and I'm tweaking your audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► changes to settings like I just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► school installed Skype live and uncheck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► that checkbox nothing else I touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/102">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► yeah but who knows what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► different I know I mean that checkbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► wasn't even there in the old version so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/107">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► you're right who knows knows new codecs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► new other things whatever now doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► matter talking all right do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► that to be part of the show or should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► start right now I'll leave it up to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► I'll leave it in all right how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/118">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► sorry we're late getting a getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► started thank you for your patience no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► problem how are things up there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► Newton Massachusetts they're just dandy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► I'm looking at my notes for the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► it looks it like exactly the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► then that's well knowing knowing full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► well that last week was the perfect show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► I expect another perfect show so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► people who weren't interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► topics last week as a reminder we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► readability I expect you also not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► this week's topics because it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► be a lot more stuff on Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► upgrades and readability and then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► very very end I do have s we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► about the flashback thing a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► maybe Instagram a little bit but who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► knows if we'll even get to those so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► that's my plan for today's show I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► that sounds good to me and the sums up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► despite me saying that I didn't want any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► more car follow-up it continues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/180">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► stream in I'm cutting most of it all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/181">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► just put it one or two little items of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► car follow-up quick ones okay first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► is about parking in Paris this is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► shows ago talking about the cars not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/195">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► touching right and some people said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► they you know they bump bumpers when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► they're parking cars in Paris and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► invited foolishly French people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► respond to me and tell me if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► something that actually happens very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► large volume of responses from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► the aisle these are the two themes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► I brought away from this feedback the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► first theme is that the vast vast vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► majority of people who responded said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► yes they really happens cars really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► push the bumpers against each other when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► they're parking in Paris like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► thing I only can remember one maybe two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► people who said oh that doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► and they're always sandwich by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► three other emails they came within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► same minute saying the opposite so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► assuming all these people who claim to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/237">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► have either visited France or lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► France for years or be French be French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► citizens I'm trusting them and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/242">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► yes this really does happen in France [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/243">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► and the other big theme that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► volunteered that I didn't ask about at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/247">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► all was that the other thing to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► specifically apparently maybe in all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► France but they all everyone kept saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/254">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Paris is to leave the parking brake off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► on your car mmm and you do this so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► when the cars try to squeeze in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► spots that they can like push your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► not quite enough room with your parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/265">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► brake is off they'll just kind of nudge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► himself right and everybody volunteered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► the spontaneous they don't know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► information we never mentioned it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► show but like a good 60 or 70 percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► the people who said yes cars do touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► felt compelled to add this bit about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/280">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► parking brake and it makes me think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► are there no Hills in Paris I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► been to France I don't know maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► very flat but it's just it's all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/288">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► just like Florida in that way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► there's no curvature even to the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► it's all straight roads well the roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► are winding but it's like even if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/298">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► slight slope if you leave your car in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► gear I guess it won't roll away but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► another car easily to get the parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► brake I don't know I'm talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► stick shift car I don't know anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► this this is apparently a thing so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► just leave that as it is someday I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► to France and I will investigate this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► person by trying to shove Park cars with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► my hand and see if they really do roll I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► can ask I get it my uncle is is French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► from you know spent many years in Paris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► and Brittany from there and he and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► aunt go back frequently I could ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► if that's true yeah maybe it's changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► although some people did provide photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/336">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► evidence of like minis who have a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► bumper mounted higher to better meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► with the bumpers of the car because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► minis rear bumpers apparently very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► and doesn't really meet up well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/346">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► other cars bumpers so there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/347">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► picture of a Mini with a second bumper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► attached to it so that it had something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► to properly meet with the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/352">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► bumpers of the other cars okay that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► when someone sent me a link to a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Maps thing showing where all the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► manufacturing plants are and had and car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/363">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► Germany with like little pins dropped on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/367">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► all of them neat so I'll put that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► show notes because I figured that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/370">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► spent a while to make that little map I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► had also some follow-up I remember we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► were discussing the that you can go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► experience in North Carolina where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► have some kind of special plant it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► yeah the Carolina people don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► when you get that mixed up right I lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/388">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► in North Carolina for a year or so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► love North Carolina and I I did I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► aware at one point that it was in South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► but I I like North Carolina a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► better so I'm sorry I'm not a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► all right yes many people sent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► correction it is in South Carolina I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/410">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► should have caught that too but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/411">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► they do tend to blend in my mind yeah as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► they should they should all be called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► North Carolina they just that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/417">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► better basketball I drove through both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► those states multiple times but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► stopped except for gas all right so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/424">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► this was a follow-up to the after dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► to last show for some reason when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► putting the link we in the after dark we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► talked a little bit about PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/438">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► games there was a bunch of links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/439">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► PlayStation bundles and they ended up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► the show and not in the after dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► then people said what's with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/443">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► PlayStation links in the show notes did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/444">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► you even talk about PlayStation on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► show so no I apologize for that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/447">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► that was actually discussed in the after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► interested but related to that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► person sent me some information because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► I mentioned the after dark that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/457">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► reluctant to give Sony my credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► because of all the security problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/461">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► they've had and Gabriel pagan wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► to say that you don't have to give Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► your credit card number you can buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► gift card from Amazon and then enter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► gift card number into the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Network so if you're not spooling to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► if you've decided not to spend $400 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► PlayStation so you can play Shadow of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► the Colossus eco The Last Guardian and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► journey and the only thing stopping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/483">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► is that you didn't want to give your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/486">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► credit card number to buy journey on PSN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► now you don't have that problem you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/490">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► go to Amazon and buy the gift card and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► the hilarious thing about this I put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► link in the show instead the gift card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► that link that was provided by Gabriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► is that if you go and you buy a $10 gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► card it cost you $16.88 really yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► playstation network card subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► length $10 format card prize 1688 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► it's not like Xbox like points or Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Points with some sort of conversion this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► is just regular dollars you were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/517">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► getting $10 a value out of the $16 card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► that's weird why does it cost more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/521">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► $10 maybe it's just supply and demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and nobody wants to give their credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► we have a captive audience these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► are so scared to enter their credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► into the PlayStation Network that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► actually charge them sixteen dollars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/533">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► a ten dollar card and they'll still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/534">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► it because that six dollars is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► stir nothing to give Sony credit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► already gave Sony my credit card so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► already doomed but save yourself if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► want to send this extra six bucks maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► you could find these cards are cheap you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► know what you could also do is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► idea you could get a credit card that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/547">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► PlayStation and or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► things that you really don't trust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► throwaway email address you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► essentially a card that you could watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► anything strange ease immediately cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► the card or or you know charge back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► whatever it is I still have bad memories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► of implementing credit card processing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► I'm the first ecommerce store that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► dealing with single-use credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► numbers that used to be really popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/578">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► back and like the late 90s early 2000s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/579">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► to remember those not really what were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► single-use yeah they would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/585">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► issue you I don't know how it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► website or something and you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► credit card number that can only be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► one time and we like to generate you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► new credit card number so you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► have to worry about you number being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/595">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► stolen but these one-time use numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► didn't conform to the same standards as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► the other numbers all your detection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/601">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► algorithms are figuring out if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► Visa or whatever and they had different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► processing requirements didn't behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► like regular cards and you had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► careful and know if they were single-use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► was that meant you couldn't charge them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► a second time if you wanted to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► use the same card number over again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/613">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► shouldn't store it and it was a big mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/616">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► but I they don't seem to be that popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/617">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► annoying for customers but that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/620">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► a similar example if they still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► these or if you still have one user the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► one-time use number for your PSN thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► all right enough of that that me nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► see talked about every day we see alerts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► that service thing sends you a text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► wondering what their numbers were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► besides seeing a tweet by Casey lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► sometime that day earlier and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► remember the numbers from it so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/646">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► after the show Casey reminded me of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► those tweets were and then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► the WWC alerts Twitter account updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/651">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► Debbi day we see alerts claimed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► there are around 5,000 tickets available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► ho WT we see that's an assumption I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► guess because nobody knows except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Apple but based on historical sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► that's how much they're expected to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► and wec alerts has 9000 subscribers so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► far and that could be you know increased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► by now so there you have it we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► should mention that some rumors about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► dates had been posted one of them here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► that I just talked about on amplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► I'll put it listen up oh you it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► good one I'll put this into our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/693">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► actually came out February 2nd from Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► rumors that simply has a screenshot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► the I believe this is the masconi's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► event calendar and I'll put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► that if I can yeah there it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► shows there is what is simply called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► corporate meeting which is code for WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► for June 11th through June 15th that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► been there forever though that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► there for months right absolutely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► that is the only yeah I mean at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► since February if not longer but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► the only law you know float levels one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► through three are blocked off for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/733">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► convention slash trade show during that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► time period and and as long as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► plans to have it at Moscone which why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► wouldn't they but maybe they're not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► if they are that would seem like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► only time know that it would possibly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► it so I think those are the dates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/749">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► if you're planning on booking you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/750">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► on an early hotel or something you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► always cancel it but that seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► right time to do it I've had that in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/756">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► beginning of the year when we first saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/761">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► that but I'm not willing to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► risk of actually starting to buy stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► mean even if you like balla stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► you were right what if you don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/767">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► ticket then well I won't be buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► ticket but for you I think that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/771">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► a trouble because you're very you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► made it clear on the show that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► attending it the sessions but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► will will likely be there because if for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► no other reason this is the only time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► place where we will be in a city in town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► where pretty much everybody who has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► on 5x5 or at least the shows if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► everybody at least it shows that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► co-host people with this the only time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► we'll all be together so it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► to go and I do do a 5x5 thing out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► what are you gonna do that we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► going to be in WT received dutifully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► attending session yeah but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/811">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► sessions don't go very late into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► evenings they tenderly tend to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/814">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► so having a having a dinner would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► wonderful thing yeah we could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► you're treating everybody right of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► alright are you that concerned I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/823">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► yes I of course I am but are you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/827">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► that concerned well you might have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► chip 15 bucks into a dinner I mean I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► everybody's dinner but yeah it depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► on how much I end up paying for hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► and everything like I managed to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► pretty good deal last time but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► especially you know if you're waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/841">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► until after you get tickets to book your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► hotel you know it's not at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► what if they announce that the tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► to go for sale like two weeks before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► happens and these these hotels I'll jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► up their prices as soon as they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► that there's some big event coming it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► just supply and demand of getting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► are demanding rooms yeah so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► how much it was all going to run me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/863">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► could be expensive yeah you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► to worry about so I got an email this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► unrelated to anything but falls in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► follow up because it's I guess it relate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► to the Mac App Store NIC Dirk wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► to tell me that he had this problem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► the national Dirk and ek first name dr k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/879">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► last night that sounds like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► cool movie villain name yes and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► this problem that I've thought about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► few times when looking at app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► pages where he was looking at a game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► you know when you're on the App Store I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► think this is an iOS game but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/897">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► matter though the stores look similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► and there on the left side is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► requirement section that tells you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/902">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► this is an iOS game is a requirement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► section that tells you what this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► runs on and so there's some text there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/906">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► question for Marco but I assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► text is generated from the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► puts up the app like check in a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► checkboxes or somehow indicating what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► devices the thing runs on maybe you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► even bake it into your application by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► setting some things in Xcode or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/922">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► but the example from this game it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/923">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► compatible compatible with iphone ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/926">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► touch and ipad requires iOS 3.1.3 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► later so that seems like you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► not something to develop a rope that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/934">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► just like the metadata along the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► side along with like title and rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/937">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► whatever right uh and he bought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► game because he has an iphone 3g running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► iOS 4.2 which seems like it fulfills the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► requirements do says iphone ipod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► ipad and then the OS version is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► point one point three year later and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► four point two is greater than that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/955">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► he's got an iphone 3g so it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► fine so he bought it and it didn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► in his phone and he complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► purchase which was nice and then he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► well you know why does your store tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► me that this should run and but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► doesn't and and he complained to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► developer tooling developers like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/973">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► well if you look at the description for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► the game this is the thing the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/976">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► writes that's collapsed by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► know it's under the click here and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► the more link and it expands down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► description the developer rights says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/983">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► it's a game for the iPhone for iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/984">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► accurate but why is that not reflected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► in the requirements section and so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► said they would flag this for review and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/997">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► try to figure out what's going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► but I'm always suspicious of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► requirements and that's why I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► expand a little more link to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► description and read the reviews and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► encourage everybody who's working who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► looking in the App Store to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► descriptions and read some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► reviews like sort by most critical or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► something to figure out what the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► this thing is really going to run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► your device or not especially for games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► and stuff because sometimes they require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► a particular CPU or GPU speed and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► like that so this is an area of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► store that Apple could stand to improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► and and I don't know how long ago this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► example was but I looked up the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► it's still like this like the thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► the left side says something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► than the description which you can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► because this claps by default so shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► on Apple there all right now finally Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► App Store upgrades lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► feedback and readability too but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► going to do a Mac App Store upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► first because I think I have more to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► maybe we'll see Oh some of the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► said the requirements you're taking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► build settings and input appeal is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► device requirements oh by the way I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► is great new I think everybody's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► be relieved to hear that in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► room I heard that but then I don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► you're saying I think you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► lurking I'm reading all right you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► news of a new skd feature what is skd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► SDK all right typos anyway I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► believe that people in the Chairman have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► typos and I'm leaving again I don't sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► and yes I yeah yeah now that's it dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that anyone is over so I tried to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► the Mac App Store upgrades feedback into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► themes I'll see how well I did here one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► of the themes and a lot of the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► that I got was the idea that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► potential existence of upgrades in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► wording for the user interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► particularly people point out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► iTunes application for iOS apps where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► the button that lets you update all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► applications it says download all free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► updates and the fact that the word free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► is there is like its distinguishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► between free updates and non free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► updates now iTunes being the typical UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► mess that it is when you click on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► button next to download all free updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► the dialog box that appears that prompts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► you for your password the button that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► lets you continue doing the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► want to do is labeled by so that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► make much sense to me use click the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► button says free then you're enter your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► pass when you click buy and I know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► was my parents or something they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► be saying huh is this gonna charge me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► more money for something I clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► and said free but the button says buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► you have to go yeah it's just hit by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► know it says buy is just the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► dial at whatever so that's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► mess but I'd notice that as well but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► don't how much you could read into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► maybe they're just trying to reassure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► people that they're free and not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► to distinguish between free updates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► a potential future non free update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► I don't know but lots lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► latched on to that as their hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► someday paid upgrades would be coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► the store sheer a wild wrote in with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► good meta question he says our upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► widely understood a widely understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► notion for consumers that's something we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► didn't talk about like for non nerds for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► people who have never really bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► software before getting an iOS device or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► before having a Mac with the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► and what a paid upgrade is or an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► at all like maybe their notion maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► notion of software actually does match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► what Apple has been doing where you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► some money or not for a thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► an icon appear on your thing right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► if they understand that when the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► other little picture thing has a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► on it that it tells you there's updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► to your applications and you get a newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► version of thing and maybe you notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► like oh it looks a little different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► like they added stuff to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► friends or there's you know really more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► ads all over it or whatever like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► idea that newer versions are available I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► think Apple makes that easy enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► you could figure out how to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► happen you know on your phone or on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► Mac or whatever but clearly nowhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► that process is more payment taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► place and like you just get an updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► version of that app I don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► people understand that especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► case where like if you do an upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► like oh I like the old version better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► they move buttons around or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► you know you do have to pay for it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► you wish you had the old version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► course an apple with the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► provides no way for you to say no easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► way our regular consumers say unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and I'm bringing me back to the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► version I guess they could restore from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► a backup but even that I think it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► complicated for the average person for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► the average person if you figure out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► upgrades thing and get a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► the friends and you don't like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► you wish you had the previous version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► back I think you're immediately beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► your capacity to get that done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► doing a little bit of research or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► learning something and that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► frustrating but certainly no part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► that experiences that you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► again for this application and he points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► out that on iOS you have this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► where if you were to buy a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► version and you had data associated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► the application it's not easy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► new version of the application to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► the data with the old one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► they're sandbox and everything so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► a confusing thing as well but like by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► not having paid upgrades it you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► impression that you're giving users on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► these platforms is that you buy an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► once and it's yours forever there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► later feedback that gets that gets more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► into this thing but I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► good question of like lose this thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► keep talking about grades because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► all Mac users and we know about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► paying paying for a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► paying less than you would pay if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► buying for the first time that upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► pricing I don't think that concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► exists in the mind of most consumers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► are like buying iPhones or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► upgrades in the Mac App Store or the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► App Store would certainly be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► crowd-pleaser to announce the WotC I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► think it would be but I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► makes it any more or less likely that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► really not how Apple Apple operates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► people like the idea that apples like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► carefully planning something and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► all they're intentionally not giving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► paid upgrade because they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► announce a B C and have it be exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► it's not really the way they work I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► they'll hold something back if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► to of like a week or so or a month or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► and then maybe they'll announce it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► little early if it's landing on an event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► like WTC but Apple decides when WotC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► and they certainly haven't been holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► for years this feature so they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► have something to announce at WABC it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► not the way that work once you get a WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► is a new phone in iOS 6 preview but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► probably you know that's not why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► don't hit it's not centered around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► Chris Clark wrote in to tell me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► everything and no upgrades his making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► him adjust his buying habits so he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► aperture customer and so aperture used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► to be like this $200 app or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► was and then when I went into the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► Store the like hey it's 70 bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► there's no more upgrades it's just 70 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► 80 bucks for everybody and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► eliminates this by initially at a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► price and then get the upgrade to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► next version the lower price thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► everything is the lower price so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► welcome everybody make more people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► software but now he's in a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► where aperture 3 is already pretty old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► this is like 2 years old and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► reluctant to buy it because he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► that if aperture 4 comes out like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► know in a couple months or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► which he thinks it's soon to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► around the corner he's gonna have to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► it all over again whereas if aperture 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► was you know $200 but he knew he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► get an upgrade to aperture for 420 he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► would buy aperture 3 now to get onboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► the upgrade train then paid a lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► price later so now he's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► hesitant to buy because it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► buy the old version the day before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► new version comes out there's you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► no recourse you don't get the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► version for a discounted price or free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► or anything like that is like oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► whereas in the old model if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► Photoshop cs5 the day before CSX comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► out you can upgrade to CSX for a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► reduced price instead of having to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► the full price for cs6 again and again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► think apples idea is well okay so lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► all your prices so that it's not painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► to get the new version no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► like lower your prices so that it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► lower than the upgrade price would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► and isn't that doesn't make everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► happy but people used to the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► have new things to worry about there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► points out that maybe it's because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► an Apple nerd and watch for upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► things about this type of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► maybe it's not relevant at all to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► regular consumer and that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► true too but this is another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► people who are used to one model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► software even just this is a consumer if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► not as a developer might have trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► adjusting to whatever the heck apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► trying to do especially since they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► so reluctant to fully articulate what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► questions last time but in-app purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► and how that relates to the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► Store and I said it you know I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► know if it was in that gap store and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► said it was and it isn't in the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Store but subsequent feedback in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► actually looking at the documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► afterwards has shown me that in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► purchase isn't really a way to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► paid upgrades at all there's two ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► you could do in-app purchase in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► App Store the first one is where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► unlocking features so you give them an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► application and everything that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► application can do is already built into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► the application and within in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► purchase you could unlock functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► right so you can have like the plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► version and then pay extra and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► something isn't that like a paid upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► well no not really because the paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► upgrade is like you release a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► software and then you work for six more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► months on version 2 of that software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► then you want to get some incremental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► revenue from the people who've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► bought version 1 and if you're working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► for 6 months that means the stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► finished at the end of those 6 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► isn't in the executable that the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► 1 people have and I suppose you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► release a new version of version 1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► with all these features locked into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► and then charge them to unlock it ah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► I don't I don't know how that like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► different right then you give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► version 2 and our city got version 1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► they've unlocked features in version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► then you give them version 2 but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► don't change the name of the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► so you get version 2 but it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► totally different but now stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► I don't think that's what Apple intends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► in-app purchases to to be like as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► replacement upgrades and maybe they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► it's hard to tell again they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► really express their intent with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► features but it's hard to tell like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► this how you expect to stop great or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► applications to keep giving people new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► executables with successively larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► portions of it hidden as locked away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► things and then you pay inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► application to unlock those new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► and then we give you a new version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► has I guess has even more stuff locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► and then you pay to unlock those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► what about the things you're unlocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► revisions to the current features I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► just thinking as an app developer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► features that have been progressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► unlocked because you're not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► adding feature sometimes you're refining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► so I don't quite see how that works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► especially if you're going to radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► alter your product like version 2 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► like a major overhaul from version 1 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► can't keep releasing to the same product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► because you're kind of stomping on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► version 1 people's toes you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► talk more about that a little bit too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► the whole idea of letting people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► using what they'd like to use instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► being forced to upgrade and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► model is where you for in-app purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► you just provide content so you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► provide executables you can't modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► your applications bundle as that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► calls it you can just provide like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► levels or data that you can put them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► Documents folder and that obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► doesn't really apply to doing an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► I can't alter the executable or any part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► of it I can just provide your data for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► games and stuff that might work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► you're just giving you levels but for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► application you really need to alter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► executable to provide new features huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► some musings on wilshire please blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► which I have again put in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► is a Mac App Store needs paid upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► thinking about it more afterwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► reading all the feedback it creasing Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► looks to me kind of like you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► talking to the bear that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► something you would know about talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► to the bear like smoking the bear thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► or that you never heard of that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► like when you talk to a stuffed animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► bear yeah to work something out you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► talking to an inanimate object because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► the act of explaining it helps you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► out but this is for people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► have like radio internet radio shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► yeah okay I haven't done that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► know if it's a stuffed bear or even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► if is the right thing but it's it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► I don't recommend going to talking - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► bear calm don't do that all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► actually do it I'll put it into the into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► the show notes so getting away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► well-known saying that I apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► looking at the blog it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► we'll Shipley's having a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► with himself about how he has to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► his business right like the act of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► writing down it's kind of like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► you're going to complain to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► about something or writing a long email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► to complain to them and as you write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► as you try to articulate and justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► your position you lead yourself to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► things you can do to get around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► uh and that this thing kind of reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► like that like here's how my business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► works here's how the new model makes my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► business not work the same way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► here's how I can't make money the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► way I used to he doesn't quite get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► and therefore a call he does a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► bit and therefore I would have to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► my business an x y&z way to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► make money I would not be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► provide upgrades ongoing and have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► make new products because you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► kind of touches on that a little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► that's that's how I'm starting to view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► this and that's a lot of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► are don't really have much stake and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► developed like they're just consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► they say well yeah I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► if it's tough for consumers maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► doesn't either they're just saying not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► you know just adjust Apple decides this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► developers who just have to adjust to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► and that big blog post like that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► ville Shipley is kind of like him coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► to terms with how the old model is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► going to work for him and possible ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► that he can adjust to it he's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► complaining and saying look Apple if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► would just provide this feature then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► wouldn't have to adjust in this way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► we could continue to make money the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► normal way we did and he also argues for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► why he thinks the way he used to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► money is actually good for consumers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► terms of being able to make a major new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► versions of a product instead of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► making one product and then quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► moving on and saying well that's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► I'm never going to look at that product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► again I don't care if there's obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► areas where it can be enhanced you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► and it'll never get any better maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► I'll just do bug fixes and moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► interwebs Adam Hyland tweeted that both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► me and Mark a lot of people addressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► both of us in a group on this topic are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► missing the main distinction between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► iOS and the Mac App Store's volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► growth in the platform and I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► back to him that I thought I understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► what he was getting at but then he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► another tweet that made me think that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► were talking about different things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► I'm still not sure exactly what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► talking about but here's what I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► from that tweet uh and it's true that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► didn't talk about it when the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► is growing rapidly new customers can far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► outweigh upgrading customers so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► customers you sold version one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► product if you can't get any more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► from them just release a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► your product that all the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► pressures get for free that's a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► you know awesome rewrite because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► amount of new people you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► sell to is so much bigger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► amount of people use because it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► hockey stick type growth graph so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► don't care if I don't get any money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► any existing customers my new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► are where it's at is there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► more of them and if your platform is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► growing with a hockey step hockey stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► type growth curve that works out fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► but the Mac platform even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► growing and it's growing faster than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► rest of the PC market is not a hockey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► stick quite yet and so now existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► customers are a much more significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► portion of your customer base there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► aren't 10 times as many new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► ready and ready and waiting out there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► buy your product maybe it's only like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► customers but not a thousand or ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► thousand and so you have to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► like look I would really like to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► some incremental revenue for this six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► months or years worth of work I did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► this application from the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► already bought version 1 because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► delivering lots of value in if I give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► to them for free I'm how do i recoup my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► costs are there enough new users to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► my money back and I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► important distinction and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► it's lost on Apple but it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► it's kind of the reason you don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► iOS devs complaining quite as much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► this because on iOS especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1978">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► beginning this really was true so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► if you can't make money off the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► who already bought your app so many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► people buy iPhones every year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► scrolling like crazy that the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► customers are just lost in the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► whereas in the Mac platform it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► fast at least so far and the Mac devs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► are much harder hit by this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► phenomenon and that's kind of why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► think you see them complaining about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► more than the iOS devs at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► the Iowa steps complained like in theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► but in practice it like once they saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► that okay well like the new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► are dominating anyway so I guess I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► just continue to go along and it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► mentioned something that I meant to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► to in my discussion which is the Joel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► Spolsky strategy letter five Roman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► numeral five from way back when he talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► about commoditizing your compliments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► which i think is not a concept that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► came up with but in typical Joel fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► he's just explaining something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► economics or whatever or is a past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► experience and sending it out to a wider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► audience and Marco talked about this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► his show and I think it's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► about one of the things that Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► be trying to do I grabbed a few passages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► from it so I can read it here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Marco mentioned it but for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► haven't read this article this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► monetizing your confluence is about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► first a compliment is a product that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► compliment is a product that you usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► buy together with another product gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► hardware as a classic complement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► computer operating system babysitter's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► are a complement of a dinner at fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► restaurant that's typical Joel humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► there so that's what a compliment is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► he says demand for a product increases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► complements decrease for example flights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► to Miami become cheaper demand for hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► rooms in Miami goes up because more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► people are flying to Miami in need of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► room so in general a company's strategic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► interest is going to be to get the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► of their compliments as low as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► at the lowest theoretical sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► price would be commodity price the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► competitors offering indistinguishable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► goods so smart companies tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► commoditize their products complements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► right so if you look at Apple's stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► on software with that view and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► realize by just somebody looking Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► balance sheet that they make their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► selling hardware the obvious compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► to hardware is software and according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► this theory it's an apples best interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► to commoditize software to make it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► customers can afford to buy and the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► software that's available the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► useful its hardware becomes so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► don't want every software product cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► hundreds of dollars because it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► their hardware much less useful they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► would like their complement software to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► be a commodity super cheap really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► to buy because the cheaper software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► the more useful their hardware products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► are and therefore like the bigger profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► margins they can get on their hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► or the more demand that will be for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► hardware because had to run the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► you need this piece of hardware so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► want to make the big fat profit margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► and they want once you get this piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► hardware their customers to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► get all the compliments this hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► really cheaply right the same way convoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► manufacturers was gas was like two cents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► a gallon because that would make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► sell a hell of a lot more cars right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► if the complement to cars was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► like car insurance or gas was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► duper cheap they can sell a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► cars this is the basic economics right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► now the the part that joel says at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► end here is that the idea you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► you want the pricier accomplice to go as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► low as possible to become a commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► price and his definition of a commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► price is when you have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► competitors offering indistinguishable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► goods like you know oranges or commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► or the because what's the difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► something you're not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► artisanal hand massage hippie grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► oranges like for the most part you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► it's a commodity right there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► that you're not distinguishing based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► and when i read this i think okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► this can monetize in your competence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► thing as an explanation of why apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► wants to drive down software prices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► all this business huh my question is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► this really how Apple sees third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► developers can software ever be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► commodity because software is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► oranges it's not like oranges at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► indistinguishable in fact I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► tremendous it's bigger than perhaps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► any other endeavor like it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► larger than the difference between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► best television you can buy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► difference between the worst app on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► App Store and the best app on the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► Store is tremendous like orders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► magnitude software is just simply not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► commodity so I don't think you can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► get it down to commodity pricing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► danger of driving the price of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► down to get more people to buy apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► so they can derive more value from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► hardware there's lots of dangers in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► like for example if you keep driving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► price down to the point where your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► developers either don't survive or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► least don't thrive like because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► taking away all their profits by trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► to drive the prices down then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► lowering the average quality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► applications available on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► and that's bad for you is a hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► vendor you want like Apple Rewards like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► with the Apple Design Awards and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► up they're trying to say they highlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► their best apps they've you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► show like buy our hardware you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► all these awesome applications well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► the people who make the awesomest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► awesome applications can't make enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► money to keep making applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► awesome and they have to like turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► things down and try to make them not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► quite as good or make them not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► have as many features or what that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► for Apple I don't think you can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► software is not gasoline it's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► know it may be the complement to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► hardware but it's not you can never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► it down to commodity pricing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► it's really dangerous to even attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► get it down to like like there's a line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► you can't just keep pushing the price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► that down through competition and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► and so forth because Apple is trying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► think with Apple that's efforts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► highlight the best software products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► that's Apple's effort to highlight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► good and to give the best competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► ability the best software makers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► ability to make money but the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► of those coin is all the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► they seem to be doing to push prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► down and make it more difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► software vendors to be to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► altering the way they do things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► reduce quality or reduce feature set or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► both and as I said last show even if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► developers can survive and learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► thrive the long-term effect may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► complex feature-rich applications start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► to dwindle replace kind of with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► single serving applications like wimpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► little apps because the developer said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► well there's no money in continuing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► iterate on this application to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► version 2 much better and add these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► features because we can't get we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► have a good way to make new revenue yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► so let's just start a new application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► there's something entirely different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► you end up with this long trail of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► of applications that were made in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► or two and sold for awhile and a bug fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► a little bit but never really got any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► better and then you got to move on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► the next one because you can't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► money off the long term commitment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► that app Marco tweeted today about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► in a series of tweets and I highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► I think he was responding to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► else's said it's not a race to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► bottom talking about the prices you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► like how everyone's price is going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► down down it's a shift towards simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► apps a la carte so instead of having one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► big honkin complicated application has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► continually revised which again Elijah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► we talked about how Apple may be trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► to discourage the idea of companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► building built around a single app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► an app to just get bigger and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► feature-rich as time goes on Marco says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► is to shift toward simpler apps on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► Alucard idea I think is that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► multiple smaller apps instead of buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► one thing Hawking app that keeps getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► revised in the UK do keep upgrading that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► that's another way of saying the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► thing but I my position is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► complicated apps is a place for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► shift old simpler is good but especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► on a platform like iOS where if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► a bunch of small applications getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► them to interoperate and communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► with each other is not particularly easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► not easy to get things to share data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► this is a longtime complaint about iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► presumably iOS 6 will address this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► some way uh it's not like UNIX where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► have a bunch of single simple single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► purpose tools that all work together I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► because it's very difficult to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► individual applications work together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► because their sandbox that I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► a good way to share data there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► shared location for documents right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► if that's apple's plan they're executing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► it poorly they are getting simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► single serving apps they're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► the benefits of them working together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► god this goes on forever I have more do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► you want to do a sponsor before I go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► done with this yeah you know we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► should it's about that time forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► minutes in we'll do our 20 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► sponsor break now harvest painless time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► tracking talked about these guys before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► they're back and they're they're just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► awesome we use these guys too for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► our time tracking stuff and they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► are great and the main thing the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► word I've been emphasizing when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► think of these guys is painless they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► make time tracking painless because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► nobody likes to do it nobody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► track their time but you want to be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► about it whether you're an employer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► has people reporting time for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► whether you're an employee or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► bill they're clients this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► solution for doing those things and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► a given example and this the angle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► haven't really talked about that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► but I have people who work for me when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► want to track their time I give them an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► account on my harvest setup they go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► they track their time I create a project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► I create the billable hours I can keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► track of everything and then I know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► any given time exactly what the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► have been working on how much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► they've spent on it and how much that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► going to cost me and from their side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► they know what they're billing for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► there are tons of great apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► harvest has made to make this even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► there's the iPhone app you put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► your iPhone you can track time right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► there all connects to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► Android app for that too sure of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► they have their main interface has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► always been via the web now they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► a new native Mac App harvest format I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► told you about this before but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► really smart you start working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► something you get interrupted you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► to take a phone call you go downstairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► to lunch whatever it is and you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► oh I left that thing running I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► build for that thirty minutes while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► was gone the apps smart it knows you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► been idle same with your eye chat client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► knows you've been idle and subtract that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► time and not wrongfully bill it to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► customer tons of great stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► they've thought of everything so all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► this is you get a free 30-day trial with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► it so go to get harvest comm slash 5x5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► that's where you go to sign up after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► your trial periods up thirty days later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► you want to keep using it you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► sign up excellent do it use a code five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► by five at checkout and you get 50% off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► your first month not bad so go check it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► out get harvest comm slash 5x5 50% off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► 50% off the big percent yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► almost half almost continuing this so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► left this one for last this big feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► because I think it sums up a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► issues we just talked about this is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► Adam drew and I think it just came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► just before the show he says the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► see it Apple is trying to reshape the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► V slash developer world whenever C is V [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► I think this is a PC guy because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► what they call and indie developers over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► on the PC side independent software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► the more centric fact is the old system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► is very good for developers not but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► very good for customers it leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► large expensive software projects that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► are slow to change slow to evolve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► are hard to use the old model of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► initial price and medium to high upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► price encourages developers to write and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► curate large decades-old software like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► Pro Tools MS Office and Photoshop that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► true uh I'm not quite sure I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► his well continued reading here he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► saying their price far too high for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► individuals they're slow to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► outclassed by smaller more nimble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► projects like GarageBand I life--and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► Pixelmator they're older than things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► like GarageBand iLife and Pixelmator but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► when I think about something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► Photoshop in particular here it's old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► because it's been around forever but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► one point I was like I don't know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► early 90s late 80s it's really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► application but compared Photoshop 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► to Photoshop cs6 like you the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► they both are called Photoshop and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► might see some common tools in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► palette it's the only thing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► they're worlds apart I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► the idea that like Photoshop can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► the 1.0 and they just have to bribe free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► upgrades that for that forever or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► have to produce Photoshop 2.0 and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► people buy it as a separate product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► deal with the confusion that's entailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► with having both those things available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► at the same time and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► if you can't build a company around like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► building up expertise getting the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► image processing software developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► that you can hire and building a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► application and providing paid upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► to it that's what makes you get from 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► to cs6 I don't know if you can get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► one point over to CSX if every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► want to add to add a major feature like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Photoshop 3 or something or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► version that came out and do you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► say ok well we're just going to put an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► additional product up called Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► three but Photoshop 2 is available when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► you search for Photoshop on the shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► store we hope that Apple will sort them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► accidentally buy Photoshop 2 and then be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► upset and demand a refund because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► have to pay for the 30% on the refunds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► and you know it's it's kind of a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► software products evolving over years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► and years and decades and decades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► getting better because it allows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► company making them to to specialize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► to hire the best kind of developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► that kind of application I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► you arrive at cs6 you know just by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► company other than Adobe saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► going to make something is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► Photoshop we're going to make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► it's better than Photoshop cs6 and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► just going to come with it out with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► out of the blue even Pixelmator which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► owes a lot to Photoshop didn't come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► of the blue it's has several major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► versions it just so happens that the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► App Store came along like kind of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► middle of its life and it just made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Mac App Store version like a paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► upgrade you know it's not a paid upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► it's like well you had the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► before the Mac App Store existed well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► now the Mac App Store exists to buy our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► version but Ken Pixelmator continued to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► rev its application so that Pixelmator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► you know 10 20 years from now is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► Pixelmator 1.0 as photoshop 1.0 is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► Photoshop cs6 I don't know if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► sustain that kind of development and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► don't think the kind of development is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► necessarily bad the idea that it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► that they're slow to evolve and hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► use any legacy code base has problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► like it took you know Adobe had those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► dark years where it was hadn't gone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► was still carving and they didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► to go Coco and they had all these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► problems with it right but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► look at the end points and I say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► know if there are any slower to evolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► in anybody else's cs6 compared to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► Photoshop CS if you look at any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► application that same time span do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► see a similar amount of improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► there because maybe people will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► well Photoshop was so hideous that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► that's why we like it so much better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► that it was so slow and had so many bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► and it was all gross and now they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► gotten rid of those and were just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► happy that it's better but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► type of change is funded by the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► to get upgrade fees from people many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► people in chat room are saying that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► totally possible for a Pixelmator to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► follow the same path and do it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► better but they're just a younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► company it's like I mean my life is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► good example I let the current version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► of my life compared to the first version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► difference then obviously Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► subsidizing AI life with its hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► sales and giving it away for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► they don't have upgrade pricing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► want the new version of my life you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► it outright so that I think is a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► example but if they were an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► software company and had they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► develop iLife and sell it on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► they could not sell it for the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► they sell like it's subsidized it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► subsidized software so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► something like Photoshop or word and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► see Apple can go but apples got massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► profits from its hardware to dump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► AI life and GarageBand all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► stuff that's out there so he continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► instead of coming up with new apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► are focused and streamlined when a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► developers and many others find a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► cram features into their flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► flagship prop this is bad for consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► because it keeps prices artificially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► high and software bloated enough using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► many people wanted me to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► iTunes but you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► cramming features into a flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► product instead of making a new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► iTunes would be a great example there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and that's free for everybody and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► cost any money so I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► practice is solved by a new business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► model people do that because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► something that they like to do and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► upsets us but it happens even in free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► software that has nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► upgrade pricing or anything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► iTunes is the best example of that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► again this is a real phenomenon a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► applications I mean use the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► like adding every possible button to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► word toolbar making word this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► monster application every year you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► to think of something else to add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► word and then you come up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► ribbon you like o has rearranged all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► buttons and make it totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► then revise it but it becomes like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► treadmill where this is your cash cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► and you have to find some way to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► new version that is the anti-pattern of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► long term software but I think getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► is saying therefore we have to get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► of that model is throwing out the debut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► of the bathwater probably not the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► idea see what else we've got here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► Photoshop 1.0 released in 1994 Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► exclusively there you go so andrew says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► I find it likely the Apple knows exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► what they're doing they're telling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► Adobe's Microsoft's and digit designs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► the world that things are different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► price your apps so regular people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► buy them and make them more focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► coherent or go elsewhere I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► a great thing I've never even considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► obviously over to the top price but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► gladly purchase Pixelmator I'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► buy Pro Tools but I love GarageBand I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► never buy microsoft office but I own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► Pages and Numbers if you don't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► big powerful application and you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► by with a lesser one and of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► like lower pricing but doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► people don't have you told everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► using Photoshop now that Photoshop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► gone and for now on you have to use some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► alternative that's half the price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► which there are many not these are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► applications but this kind of a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► that Photoshop has most of the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► in it that it has and if you told all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► the people in the world using Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► right now they have to use Pixelmator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► difficulty getting their jobs done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► not just because they don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► about exclamative works it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► have all the features of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► if Pixelmator had all the features of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► Photoshop I don't think it would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► could be the same price things you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► many many more developers even if one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► the features is runs on a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► rather than Mac OS 10 you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► don't think that's an apples to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► comparison i i think the Pixelmator and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► applications like acorn and stuff are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► filling a role that wasn't filled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► Photoshop it was never arguably filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► by Photoshop which is an application for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► someone who's not a professional graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► designer who just wants to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► graphic stuff and that's a good role for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► applications like Photoshop have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► longer have a purpose in this new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► and therefore we don't care what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► to them they could just go away for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► and Pixelmator is the new way to go it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► just a different type of application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► it's not it's not they're not failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► the same role for the same people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► pricing issues aside oh actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► should finish up his thing was he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► conclusion here he says the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► need to stop thinking about what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► quickly net them the most sales and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► start thinking about what will best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► serve customers the sales will follow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► think the Apple success has proven that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► I don't think their developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► trying to net a quick profit they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► trying to do that it'd be a totally on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► board with making a single serving act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► that six months it develops you cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► Anna and you move on to the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► you just abandon it it's maybe it'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► bug fix upgrades that's it it'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► get significantly better that's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► opposite of what you know that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► if they just wanted to get a quick buck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► they'd be all on board with that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► they don't want to do that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► make version one of their app and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► see the obvious features that need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► feedback from people who never make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► awesome version too and they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► spend like a year or six months making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► an awesome version too at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► that they don't want to have to rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► hockey stick growth of the platform to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► give them any money they want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► to get they don't I should the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► get that version for free this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► something that lots of people I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► like they think it's the same product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► they think well I bought this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► and now people should toil endlessly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► their full-time job to improve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► product for me forever for free that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► doesn't make any sense that doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► it like when I buy a 2002 Honda Civic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► don't get the 2003 Honda Civic for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► I don't get to bring my Civic in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► have them retrofit it and upgrade it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► it yeah all but I just bought a 2002 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► Civic another 2003 s came out can I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► the 2003 Civic you don't you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► entitled to free updates forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► doesn't matter that it's not a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► product someone is working full-time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► their job to make new versions of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► product how can they work that way if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► they can't get any money like you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► entitled to their future work forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► umbrella of a particular name alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► and I think many people think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► way it is with applications where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► buy an app on your iPhone and you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► little icon on there and you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► entitled to the future work of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► people working on anything that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► that icon for the rest of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► that's just not how it works right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► not a sustainable business model so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► unless you're going with the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► thing where things ahead support it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► whatever so pricing aside even ignoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► the pricing thing of how to get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► money for those people you still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► the confusion issue where if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► put up a new version you can you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► multiple versions in the store you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► the danger of people finding the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► version or you have to rely on an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► sorting or them being smart and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► they get refunds you're out the 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► which you don't get back ah but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► only have one version on the store you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► yank the old version and you can provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► bug fixes and there's many possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► solutions to this many people wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► like oh all Apple needs to do is X and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► all Apple needs to do is Y and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► won't be confusion and they won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► any problems and if they buy the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► one this won't help yes there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► many things Apple to do to fix its many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► obvious simple things they can do anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► can come up with a simple scheme whereby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► all these problems are eliminated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► Apple hasn't done any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and the problem for developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► consumers I think is we don't know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► one of those things Apple is likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► do so you can't say okay we have to plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► a future development do we make version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► 2 of this product and spend an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► you're working on it knowing full well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► but the only way we can get any money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► for version 2 this product is by selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► it to people who didn't buy version 1 do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► we make version 2 and put it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► store knowing full well that version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► could be there alongside it do we yank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► to provide some way to help us which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► ways will they provide will they let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► everyone's in the dark how do you plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► your business on that and so it creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► uncertainty and fear and the safest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► thing to do is say we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► work on version 2 of this product we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► going to make a brand new product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► no one has bought yet that everyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► buys will get money from and we'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► put that other product in maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► that's what Apple that's the shape Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► is turning this business into but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► intentionally or not and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► a bad a bad shape I like developers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► provide major upgrades to versions of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► applications because many applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► buy and I say boy this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3358">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► version 1 version 2 will be even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► I want the people to be able to make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► a version 2 and I'm willing to pay some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► additional money for that version - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► don't feel entitled to it because I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► a version 1 so uncertainty about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► Apple will do here is is bad uncertainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► in most markets is bad one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► suggestions people come up with was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► subscription instead of paying for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► piece of software and quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► owning it even though you have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► license to use it or whatever how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► doing a subscription thing where you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► some fee over some period of time a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► monthly fee a weekly fee a yearly fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► which presumably will be cheaper than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► the cost of buying the thing out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► developments then you could be like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► the train of like as long as I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► paying as paying a subscription free I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► get it every new version of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► Microsoft tried doing this I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► late 90s was where they were big on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► like Microsoft Office you won't be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► to buy it it'll be a subscription and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► enterprises like subscriptions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► they get really big volume discounts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► it really easy to convince the guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► charge of enterprise purchasing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► pass this fee every year and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► access to and they give you this huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► software and our SuperDuper fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► version of office and unlimited seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► license - Windows NT blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► you know those are really easy to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► to enterprises because they they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► they're getting a big deal when in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► reality the people in their company use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► like two applications and three features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► and those two applications I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► been cheaper just buying individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► seats for them but anyway that's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► into the enterprise issue uh but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► apps with the purchase price that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► both stores the purchase prices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► really slow subscriptions don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► make much sense for an individual user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► some companies have them now like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► believe you can rent or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► want to call it Adobe Photoshop for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► example Adobe will sell you you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► don't buy Photoshop outright just pay us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► some fee of a certain period of time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► long as you keep paying that fee you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► use a thing then when you stop paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► you don't get to use it anymore but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► Photoshop like as long as it's useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► like if you buy Photoshop cs6 how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► do you think that application would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► useful like how long will be until max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► can't even run that anymore or the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► that you're running it on like falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► apart or breaks and you can't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► fixed like the useful light time a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► version of Photoshop is pretty darn long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► certainly you just keep using until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► hardware runs on breaks like you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► about those guys for the Mac SES or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► whatever running HyperCard in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► publishing place and if it still works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► you know it still works like so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► just use it on the original hardware as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► it was for a long time as a tool but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► even if you keep upgrading your hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► that software has a very long useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► lifetime like right up until I upgraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► to Lion I was using a copy of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► CS because that's the last one I had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► it was PowerPC but then I used that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► years and years ten years I think I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► Photoshop CS and you know until oh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► you know time moves on I could have kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► my PowerPC Mac out and continued to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► Photoshop CS but now I can no longer use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► it because Rosetta is gone and what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► bummer right but I get 10 years of use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► out of that well if I had been paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► Adobe subscription rates it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► been very foolish for me to play those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► subscription rates for ten years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► would be much cheaper to buy it upfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► so unless you plan on using Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► for only a year and then never using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► again subscriptions probably don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► sense at that kind of pricing and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► iOS apps where it's like 99 cents what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► is the subscription fee for a $0.99 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► even a five-dollar app well you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► the whole app for $5 or give us ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► cents a month you know for five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► like it just it's kind of silly even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► a twenty dollar app it's I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► subscriptions as a way to go I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► people do like buying things and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► that's how it will have to be sorted out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► with the exception obviously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► magazine subscriptions or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► where this content where you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► really buying an application you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► buying the content and the content is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► always new and is a never-ending stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► all right and here is how he gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► pronunciation guide so I need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► this one we always always like that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► we get this I do but now I feel extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► want to come I'll pick out that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► once again this is like this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► mandatory prefix for all these emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► one thing that Marco and Syracuse's seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► to be skipping over it's always about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► and Marco missing things why are we in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► unit here we have individual shows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► can address us individually anyway is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► that the old-school model of buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► software and then paying upgrades has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► long been an object of scorn for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► effectively a subscription model and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► worst kind you pay for software and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► some unknown time down the road you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► be effectively forced to pay for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► again albeit at a discount if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► pay for the upgrade your software will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► be held hostage because you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► very soon your software will be obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► and useless if you do pay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► upgrade regardless of the actual costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and dollars as a negative experience in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► terms of wasted time hassle etc this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► like the opposite of what I just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► like this the reality this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► describing is the opposite what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► describing I think is a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► if people can't get money from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► upgrades then they will abandon you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► your software will become useless but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► the old model your software does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► become useless first of all you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► have to upgrade because the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► of your software should continue to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► bug fixed and you know it and kept up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► date for a reasonable period of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► why can develop our forward to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► because they're making their money by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► selling upgrade fees to the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► so they can afford to give you minor bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► fixed version to keep your old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► running second they don't owe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► anything after you buy it like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► than bug fixes on the hardware that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► running on don't upgrade your Mac keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► that version of the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► that version of your hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► version of the software will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► work until it breaks and you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► parts to fix it right again with the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► thing when I get a new car and they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► up with a new version of a car that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► like variable valve timing and lift I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► don't get that for free I don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► backup grade or mic you know I use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► car my car still drives in New York it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► still it's not as good as the new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► but I don't get the new version for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► and they had no responsibility to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► me going on that train your stuff works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► the way it is you know when you pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► it you're not paying for all future work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► or even any future work from that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► in fact it could be argued in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► days before the internet you didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► get bug fixes or you bought it once it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► came up floppy just you put on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► computer that's what you've got if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3718">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► ever get anything else from a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► without having to pay for it again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► was like a miracle not that I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► that's the best model but if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► software that works you shouldn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► like you you don't need to upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► the model of people being able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► incremental revenue for upgrades funds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► their ability to keep you supported for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► a longer period of time and I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► you take that away you will be abandoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► much sooner your software will become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► obsolete and useless much faster because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► the developers simply can't afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► support you for like I said Photoshop CS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► I think I used for more than a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► and the only reason I can't use it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► is because I upgraded the line if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► still run Snow Leopard I could still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► that piece of software a decade worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► use out of whatever was a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► dollars and remember how much it cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► back in 1990 something right that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► long useful life for a piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► and I don't think there are even any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► point updates to it just you know kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► running that it doesn't become obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► in a second you're not held hostage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► these are the things that will happen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► think if developers can't make money off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► upgrade revenue not the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► happen now and that's it's such a warped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► view of the way software works now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► maybe it feels that way to non-technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► people that you're forced some unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► time down the road to pay for it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► why would you pay for it again you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► already got it oh you want the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► because it's better than what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► now because they made this awesome new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► thing and they worked for a year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► our entire team making this new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► and you're forced to pay for it to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► that again well you're not forced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► thing you have still works the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► did you know and if you don't pay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► they offer your software will be held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► hostage and soon will be obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► wasted they're gonna come at your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► and break your computer with a hammer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► still works the way it did before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► new version came out it still works fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► understand that mindset at all I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► know if it's an entitlement mindset a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► frustration with upgrades because he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► true that upgrading is a hassle in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► of you know I upgraded all my crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► doesn't work and people get burned by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► that but they still feel like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► have the latest thing I gotta upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► like maybe that's the sickness the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► that there's something new or out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► and they're not they're not in on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► yeah you got to have it like and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► even if what they have like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► saying works perfectly for them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► their needs yeah they have it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► working there's something new out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► but just because it's new doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► it's better it's like it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► whatever the psychological sickness or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► condition is where you like the the man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► blames the woman for dressing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► distracting me she's tempting me with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► this with her beauty and I can't resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► new software I blame them but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► you know it's not my fault for choosing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► that deciding that I have to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► they made an awesome new version how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► I resist you know that the temptress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► brings me over and a half I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► upgrade you don't have to upgrade if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► what you have works fine stick with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► and you can't blame the developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► making this awesome tempting new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► so there's a second part of this one it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► says here's a couple of alternatives is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► use in-app purchase to unlock new new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► features or some virtual currency like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► coins like many of the free iOS games to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► choose from a range of features or break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► the app up into smaller pieces and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► them as components that the customer can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► pick and choose from based on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► knees all these are potentially better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► than the old school model or at least no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► worse I can think of many reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► they would be worse never mind that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► of them aren't even possible because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► it'll be discussed if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► unlock features that are already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► the pictures have to already be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► and if you you know you have to after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► three years of that what does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► application look like does it have is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► three entirely different applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► with different sets of features that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► unlocked to produce what is effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► the same as photoshop cs2 three and four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► all within a single executable that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► debugging and support nightmare and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► don't think that's a sustainable model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► components that work together again not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► particularly easy on iOS or on Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► with the new sandboxing rules and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► model doesn't it's even more confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► for customers and software developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► have shown that they're not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► good at implementing that like the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► doc deco model where you mix and match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► these components it's probably also a QA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► nightmare so I hope look at max isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► last name right but I disagree strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► with his his view of what the what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► existing software model is like I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► agree on the whole idea that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► lead to applications like Microsoft Word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► and companies built around them where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► they're just iterating for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► iterating trying to make money that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► something that needs to be addressed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► I don't think you get rid of it entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► because it also leads you to the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► the best applications we have are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► ones that are developed over many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► years and refined and been able to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► you know BBEdit even though it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► looks like a window full of text just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► like it did 1992 it's that I doubt there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► are many lines of code that are shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► with the original version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► application and how were they able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► develop an application for 20 years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► was their 20th anniversary recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► because every time they made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► version had worked on a year or two on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► it they got money from both existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► customers and new customers if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► didn't they wouldn't be around anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► and so what would be using inside I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► guess we were using Emacs or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► let's do a second sponsor while you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► recover good idea second sponsors every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► me go to every me comm slash download to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► download this while I'm describing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► because it's pretty cool this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► thing it just launched just came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► Tuesday a couple days ago and they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► up with this app this is an iOS app they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► came up with a to address a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► friending on social networks and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► the problem that they identified is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► either sharing everything with everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► or you're sharing nothing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► really isn't an in-between that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► problem if you make somebody your friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► on one of these social networks then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► they get to pretty much see everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► that you do that doesn't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► what if it's something personal what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► it's something you don't want your work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► people to see or you you don't want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► family to see who knows well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► address this they let you create friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► on social on their social network based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► on who they are in real life you create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► these circles you create one for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4078">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► family create one for your co-workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► one for your best friends one for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► significant other whatever it is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► propagate these if you choose from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► address book you can enter them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► minute whatever it is that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► do you create real life circles and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► mirror the real way that you share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► things in the real world and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► very easy to use it's an elegant awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► app and the whole purpose of it again is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► to mirror the way that you share things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► in real life so they're totally private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► you can enjoy the peace of mind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► comes with that and they create these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► things called magic circles if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► want to go through and do it manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► somebody asking well what if what if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► don't want to like go and create you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► have it'll figure out circles based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► the information that you give it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► it's a very cool app it's a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► new way to think about sharing things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► this new approach I think is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► catch on because more and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► are worried about their privacy worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► what check this out every me.com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► download is where you go to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► I've linked in the show notes also and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► check it out I think you'll like it if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► want to get the readability I got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► to it now so I'm pleased hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► they're not gonna leave the Mac upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► topic even though there's more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► there's notes and I got the readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► alright let's hear the readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► readability in middle men many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► wanted to write in about this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► think a lot of people didn't like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► stance on middle men because they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► it was inconsistent that yeah okay yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► and then that's I had in my notes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► particular middle man that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► talk about which many listeners to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► attention and that middle man is the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► store which I think I briefly mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► but now I want to talk about a bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► just like in general talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► topic of Mittleman so what I said in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► readability episode was I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► the idea of adding a middle man I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► things get better when you either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► eliminate middlemen or replace existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► middleman with a better one that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► efficient or more hungry for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► customer focused or not on monopoly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► whatever and so many people brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► the App Store so we'll talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► App Store's middleman that first Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► didn't add a middleman the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► middlemen that it could replaces like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► you were selling your software in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► store like a retail store Apple replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► that middleman so you took away Best Buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► and you put an apple right if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► selling things through your website the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► App Store replace like your payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► processor right and sometimes if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► were selling in both locations the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► Store replace both the retailers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► used to have a relationship with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► your payment processors for your direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► sale so it's possible that the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► could replace multiple middlemen for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► some people just one middleman for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► another but certainly wasn't adding one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► like Best Buy and your credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► payment processor and Apple aren't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► in the loop plight so they didn't add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► middleman now the app stores cut is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► bigger than the cut of many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► middlemen that it replaced so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► example if you were an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► active and you're using a payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► processor there's no way your online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► payment processor was taking 30% cut of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► your revenues like way smaller than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► right so even though Apple may have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► been replacing a middleman they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► drei they were not like better in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► regard to the developer taking a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► bigger cut of your money then then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► existing payment processor was maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► actually a lesser cut than your retailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► because if you were selling box software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► that's just you get shafted on that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► the people who actually sold Box Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► software by the time that goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► all the various layers of distributors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► and middlemen and becomes a box and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► sell it how much money you get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► that is way less than 70% so depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► on where you were coming from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► could have been a much worse middleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► than the one I replaced for you or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► much better one or somewhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► middle up existing middlemen were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► usually a lot less draconian about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► product itself so your payment processor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► doesn't care what the hell you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► selling unless maybe you're selling porn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► or some sort of gambling thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► yeah they don't like that but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► payment processor doesn't care if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► application is defaming a political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► processor doesn't care if what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► selling duplicates the functionality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► an application that Apple makes all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► know it contains curse words or yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► that they don't care that and retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► well again a little might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► bit more draconian than just the payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► processor Bozell we don't want to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► that invest bug this is not part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► image or whatever but certainly less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► picky than Apple or it's like oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► don't like the api's you're using that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► PI doesn't care what ap as you use so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► there's another case where Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► probably more restrictive and a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► experience for the developer than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► middleman it was replacing so other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► things that the app stored it took away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► the direct relationship between software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► vendors and their customers nope those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► aren't your customers anymore now those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► are apples customers and Expo impose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► arbitrary rules on the content on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► apps we're going to decide whether your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► application can be in the store based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► us looking at it and making a decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► and we'll try to give you a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► rules and try to give you a hint but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► those rules change all the time and God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► knows what they're going to be we decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► uh there is a policies in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► that excluded not just individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► applications but entire classes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4381">TS</a>]
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01:13:04 ◼ ► which needs to read every file on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► privileges for that and the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► Store says no no admin privileges and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► the way you're gonna need to be sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► a whole categories of software if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► was this category of software you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► in you can't even participate in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► new middleman because you're not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► and again certainly things like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► payment processor would not eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► backup software but because of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4403">TS</a>]
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01:13:28 ◼ ► and perhaps the worst one this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► middleman at the App Store it has its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4412">TS</a>]
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01:13:36 ◼ ► software over your software so no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► competing with anything in Apple makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4418">TS</a>]
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01:13:42 ◼ ► the only application that even looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4422">TS</a>]
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01:13:45 ◼ ► rejecting yours that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► first times that I just totally flipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4427">TS</a>]
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01:13:53 ◼ ► they rejected an application because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► duplicated some functionality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4435">TS</a>]
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01:14:02 ◼ ► was willing to entertain the idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4442">TS</a>]
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01:14:06 ◼ ► once they've totally been filed up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4446">TS</a>]
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01:14:17 ◼ ► firm and they didn't want to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► Microsoft Word because they sold their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► own word processor so they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► carry Microsoft Word back in the retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4461">TS</a>]
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01:14:24 ◼ ► want to do so and these rules change all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► the time like oh can I make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► competes with iTunes can I make an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► that does podcasts well now you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► that but also don't make something looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► like a dialer but actually that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► kind of like an interface that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► included in Mac OS 10 even though we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► copied it from your app originally we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► now are not going to allow your app in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4482">TS</a>]
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01:15:01 ◼ ► remembers what this thing was called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4501">TS</a>]
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01:15:05 ◼ ► in the trailer I wanted to do a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► show on that because that pissed me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► so much it's like the Apple effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► copied the third-party application with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► the look and feel and we don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► they even saw this their application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► the bottom line is the application came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► out first Apple came out second to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► just like that other one and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► the mag app store came along they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► wouldn't allow that app in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► because they said it looks too much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► the application that we built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► offices right there just total BS light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► like lights which is that the name of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► scooter computer thinks it's light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► pulled from the AppStore yeah this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► post from august 2011 i led to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► shownotes yeah so that that is total BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► and terrible terrible terrible so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► you know that this is what the AppStore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► middleman is doing even though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► replacing the middleman but replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► them in ways that had many disadvantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► compared to the middlemen who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► replacing right and yet and yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► AppStore are both in iOS and on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► side is grudgingly tolerated by the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► developers who getting shafted by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4568">TS</a>]
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01:16:11 ◼ ► right never mind by the way taking 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► percent of their money you know what why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► tolerated this was the main like thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► oh so you don't like middlemen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► everyone seems to be okay with the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► Store or I don't hear you complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► about the App Store Oh first if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► been listening to show for I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► have heard me complain about the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► Store but it's true about developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► like there's lots of complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► the App Store and there still is lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► complaining about the App Store but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► people put their apps in it don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► why why is the App Store accepted better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► than readability why aren't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► readability it would be as if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► complain about readability but all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► subscribers to readability and giving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► money every month and all the websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► we're nevertheless signing up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► rehabilitating that's not happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► people are complaining and as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► very few people customers or readers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► signed up with readability like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► they don't have millions of users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► they're not like on a hockey stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► growth type of thing as far as I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► and certainly the publishers are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► clamoring to sign up with readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► and just think everyone has to sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► with a wall at the same time complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► that's what happened on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► everybody complained about it but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► developer if they could get in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► or got in and some people would complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► about the App Store and then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► complain that they couldn't get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► this thing that they hate you know food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► here is terrible the portions are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► small like it was that's the way it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► going with the App Store and still is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► why is that what makes readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► different than the App Store well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► App Store the key thing of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► had going I'll start working things well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► one is that replaced many many separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► middlemen with a single very popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► so even though it's like okay for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► your payment processor and this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► we replace your retailer and for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► person replace your different payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► processor even though for any individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► developer or customer for that matter it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► only replaced one or two middlemen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► collectively it said all those different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► middle members there are many payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► processors many retailers many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► websites to go through and buy stuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► replaced all of them with one extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► popular visible middleman so from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► consumers perspective that's good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► you don't have to look at 20 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► places to find it is there any cool new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► software I can buy like you just go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► this one place that everyone knows about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► because it's very popular because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► they're a big company and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► right and for the developers it replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► each individual developers need to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► with a payment processor to deal with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► retailer to deal with whatever they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► dealing with now everybody's dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► with the same middle person and it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► some of the guesswork out of all do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4712">TS</a>]
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01:18:36 ◼ ► change your different one you know so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► coalesced many different middlemen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► don't think readability does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► because they're kind of trying to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► new thing and they're just not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► popular as either not as visible as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► Apple is and their service is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► popular as the App Store became because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► they don't have the kind of visibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► everybody who's reading the web first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► all everybody doesn't even use the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► reformats the thing it's tends to be gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► geek type of feature it's not like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► Microsoft or Google or someone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► leverage to say everybody who reads the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► web you're all going to be readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► customers and are most of you are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► computers the more likely you are to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► a readability customer we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► unify the world of getting payment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► reformatting pages they haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► that iTunes also greatly reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► friction to buying things because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► had existing iTunes accounts from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► little music thing they did a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► years ago with credit cards with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► who already are shown that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► completely willing and able to click a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► button and buy stuff so apples bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► with it literally millions of customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► readability is not bringing in that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► don't have an existing database the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► of the iTunes music store coming over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► okay we've already got all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► all their credit cards in an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► that they all have installed and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► shown that they're willing to click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► and buy stuff we're bringing that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► bear on reading websites they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► they're not bringing that Apple also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► brought national TV adds tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► exposure featured placement in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► get featured placement in the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► system that millions of people use you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► know featured placement on the phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► that millions of people are going to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Apple is bringing with it big big big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► guns to counteract all the crap that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► just listed that's terrible than the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► Store does all this this good stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► counterbalancing good stuff leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► increased sales both potential increased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► sales like look all the people I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► sell to an actual increase sale and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► that bad stuff you choke it down once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► those checks start coming in right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► this was the deal with readability if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► it's like like this readability like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► they're taking money on people's behalf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► and I don't like it and I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► they're heading this middleman layer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► man I signed up for readability and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► the income from readability is dwarfing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► my income from advertisers that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► would be comparable to the App Store of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► that happened people would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► complaining about them but suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► you've got something they're like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► yeah everything I said about them is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► is still bad but man look at the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► this check look at what they're bringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► to bear look at what they've brought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► my site they bring in the customers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► bring in the money they're bringing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► audience that's what the App Store has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► brought and that's why iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► and Mac developers in general probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► have a net positive attitude about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► App Store despite their complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► because they're bringing the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► that bring in the money readability is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► not bringing this all we're left with is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► a situation where they want to insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► themselves as a middleman and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► not bringing those benefits to the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► Store which i think is a much worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► counterbalance all the bad things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► it does the biggest one from consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► perspective is they're not bringing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► unifying thing I think unification is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► really really important I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► the biggest advantage of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► that it's this one well-known place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► go to find software and that was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► an icebreaker such a bottleneck in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► old world of like how do you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► software you're not a nerd how to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► you know where to find software just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► like I'm just on the internet and I type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► into Google software Mac's something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► ends up in a site that gives me a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► you know you go to the App Store it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► top item in there one of the top items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► in the Apple menu you know on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► it's right there on your phone on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► home screen you just press it with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► thumb and you can buy stuff that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► tremendous and readability has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► compared to that and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► customers so that I think is the major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► major difference in the App Store and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► case you haven't noticed I am NOT a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► of the App Store or its policies or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► of those things but I recognize the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► that it does spring I am a fan of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► it easier to buy software making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► easier to install and uninstall software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► because I think that leads to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► people buying software more software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► software as just once they become that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► linchpin in the business all the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► things that you become way worse that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► why I'm complaining about them reshaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► the business in a way I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► not advantageous to certain kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► applications because they're so powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► because of those other things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► allows to happen this my four-year-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► says that a lot yeah so I said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► really is not bringing vastly increased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► exposure this is all setting aside I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► still setting aside the issue of taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► everything less friction and receiving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► money maybe there's less friction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► because you could say this this infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► friction now because most sites don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► take money directly from customers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► so there if readability can get you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► money that's that's better than not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► getting it all but again they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► the millions of users with credit cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► they're kind of starting from zero and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► trying to build up most sites don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► money from readers they get it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► advertisers and so if readability was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► going to like the App Store reduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► friction between two existing parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► there were people who wanted software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and people who sold software and the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► Store reduce friction between those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► parties to transfer the money while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► taking a cut if readability wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► the same thing that the App Store did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► but do it in the world of websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► readability would be reducing friction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► between advertisers and websites because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► that's the current flow of money that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► how things get made on the web money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► flows from advertisers to the websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► and the websites produce content with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► the money the advertisers give them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► if readability had swooped in and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► what we're doing is reducing friction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► between those two parties and making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► easier for them to transfer money maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► they would have you know they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► doing that they're saying there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► party here that you're not even getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► money from it would be kind of as if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► app store came in and said we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► to make it really easy for advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► to put their ads in applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► give money to application vendors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► application vendors would say well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► write software and we sell it we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► like our software isn't ad supported but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► it wouldn't be much better if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► software is supported by advertisers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► we're gonna make that easier in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► we're collecting money right now from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► advertisers and we'll give it to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► then your ads will go you know it's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► parties that weren't that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► different us obviously on the web but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► they say well don't you think readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► should be giving you money wouldn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► be a better relationship directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► between readers and sites without these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► advertisers in the middle I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► agree with that but the fact is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► not how the relationship works right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► maybe maybe sites shouldn't get money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► from readers instead but as it had last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► show the advertisers are out bidding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► readers so far readers are not willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► to pay as much as advertisers and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► not willing to pay anything at all even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► the New York Times do you think anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► could get money from people it'd be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► New York Times even the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► is having trouble figuring out jeez how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► can we get even a fraction of the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► we need to to sustain our business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► directly from readers even though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► New York Times has always been getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► some money like with the newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► subscriptions on the web they're finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► it difficult they're trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► out how do we pay how do we adjust like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► how many articles you get for free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► how much should it cost then even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► when you pay the New York Times I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► believe you still get a filled with ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► so they still going with the advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► so readability is fighting an uphill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► battle here and they are not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► things the way the AppStore did they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► not bringing the advantages the AppStore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► brought to their credit like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► disadvantages that the AppStore brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► not it readability is not able to pay to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► pay these content providers enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► sustain their business they're just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► interested like are you wake me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► readability when you can pay the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► money that the advertisers are paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and so it's kind of a chicken egg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► situation where well we can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► until we get lots of readers but readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► don't want to sign on if there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► lot of sites signed on and then if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► collect money without the site signing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► on they complain and they're in a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► spot I think here's someone the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► thing about open readability is a email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► readability customer I think it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► to have the view of someone who likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► your readability what do they like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► it and why do they like it so he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► the way I see readability business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► models that I voluntarily give them $10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► a month in the hopes that they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► able to contact these content providers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► and distribute my money to them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► proportion to how much of their content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► I read and enjoy periodically I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► through the list of sites I've tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► contribute to see who isn't signed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► with the service yet and try to contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► them in the hopes they'll sign up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► I'm considering raising my amount of $20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► and if more content providers hop on I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► willing to go as high as 60 roughly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► I'm paying my ISP this is the money I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► think the sites deserve and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► readability proportionally distributing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► wonderful idea and I wish more sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► were willing to sign up for it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► breathability wants but how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► do you think in the world are like Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► Fortin who are willing to pay $60 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► month and if you divide that $60 a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► amongst all the web pages that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► websites that someone reads over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► course of the month how much is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► month and multiply that by the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► users who are willing to pay that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► websites you're going to get and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► compare it to how much money advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► are paying these websites and again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► think people find that the advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► are massively out bidding the readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► and you know if you're running a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► and you have to find a way to sustain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► like it's similar for this for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► podcast if every reader was willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► pay $10 an episode for this podcast you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► would not need advertisement no probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► so everyone listening right now if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► you can like start a separate website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► and say okay I'm willing to pay $10 an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► hypercritical go ahead and get money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► like Dan is not going to turn down your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► money for the number you know to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► I think you're gonna be outbid by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► advertisers and I think people like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► this way they like getting the free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► content like you're being advertiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► supported if there was a third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► trying to swoop in and say we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► you money directly from readers dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► would say well that's great no but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► you don't give me enough money don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► advertisers I can't get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► advertisers you know what I mean and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► if you didn't talk to Dan about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► started taking money on behalf of Dan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► listen to hypercritical I think you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► pissed about it and rightfully so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► this is the situation readability finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► difficult situation but the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► what the reality is if readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► through force of will or advertising or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► whatever was able to convince more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► people that they should pay for content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► than they will have been able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► something that many other people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► not been able to do and you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► we would all thank them for it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► just don't think it's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► now so that's readability didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► got time for a little tiny bit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► flashback I think what do you think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► I think it's important to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► and you know get your take on now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► those who don't know flashback is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► name for this I should have looked this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► up is it a virus is it a Trojan horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► what is the technical classification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► this piece of malware affecting the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► well I guess they are calling it malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► that's the umbrella term that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► umbrella term I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► fine dry is it is it a drive-by attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► is that the official something like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► think drive-by attack is the now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► it's not a Trojan horse so this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► piece of malware that is reportedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► affecting like something that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► things like 1% of all Mac's yes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► 600,000 Mac's or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► right and Gruber talked about in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► show a little bit and what he said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► thought was a good point for those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► were old it's remap we remember a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► back when viruses did exist on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► back in the classic Mac days I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► viruses I believe with the popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► that I kept getting was the invar virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► lowercase n capital vir and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► disinfect myself from the Enver virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► using Reza and the Delete key so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► that's old-school uh some viruses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► existed back way back in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► when max were black and white and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► monarch you know monochrome tiny 9 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► screens and stuff like that and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Gruber pointed out the virus is spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► back then through floppy disk because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► there there was no internet kids you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► know there were BBS's and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► modems if you were lucky but even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► Mac had not great support for those but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► generally they you got a virus because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► you went to a Mac user group meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► that was a mug that's what we called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► them back in the day they don't stick on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► mugs that's what they were called I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► don't know they don't still call them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► mugs I don't think they exist anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► because we have the internet now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► you'd go to a meeting with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► old cranky people and you would exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► floppy disks and you would bring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► floppy disk film usually filled with she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► the shareware software or pirated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► commercial software or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► half of them had viruses on them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► when you put them into your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► they would infect it you know and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► analogy to the way virus is spread these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► sexually transmitted disease and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► airborne virus type of disease sexually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► transmitted diseases as bad as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► like AIDS and everything spread much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► more slowly than something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► airborne where you see in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► outbreak movies or contagion was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► recent one if you have to take a floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► disk and stick it into a computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► spread a virus that's going to spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► much more slowly especially when every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► computer in the world isn't connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► each other nowadays viruses can spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► because all of our computers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► connected to the Internet and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► infection if it's on webpages a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► can spread much much more quickly now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► today than it used to be able to spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► but despite the fact that back when Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► viruses were sexually transmitted so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► speak they were still widespread enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► for me to have gotten and for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► classic Mac user I know to have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► them because they would spread more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► slowly but they would spread just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► through this little beans of floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► disks going from one place to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► so that was the old days of no name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► remembers because nobody used Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► because there were tor computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► computers have mice right and then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► almost went out of business then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► came back and then a few people more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► started buying Mac's and you had Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► 10 and there's this period of time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► the Mac's really didn't have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► with malware at all and there was lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► of debates about this and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► the the PC had tremendous problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► the viruses because they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► massively dominant platform at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► all of our computers got connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► each other and so it's exploited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► Microsoft spent years trying to pin down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► Windows XP and then you had the Vista [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► disaster because they spent all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► time trying to make the security better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► and all that stuff during this time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► Mac was basically malware free you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► didn't have to think about malware you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► didn't have to do anything Mac user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► still did they would always ask what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► should I do about viruses what should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► do about malware and my question was do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► nothing because there's nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► protect yourself from that won't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► be the case but right now it's no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► in killing yourself trying to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► yourself from threats that don't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► right this was the time during which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► Apple and needed to be working its butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► off and I think it was trying to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► this was the honeymoon period now where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► it's not a problem of the Mac platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5578">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► Apple now you should be spending this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► time to make sure that when inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► if you're successful malware does become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► a problem on the Mac platform which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► all know is coming it's just a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► like you know there wasn't like the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► wasn't vulnerable you get you can right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► now for it really easily it was arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► more vulnerable than Windows but nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► cared the market share was too small or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► whatever eventually if you're successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► Apple that's going to change and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► going to be vulnerable so you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► spend time nailing stuff down and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► kind of what Apple's been trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► it like sandboxing this is all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► prevent malware Tyvek supplies get flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► off the system by default don't install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► java by default like just try to pin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► down pin it down pin it down because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► this is the period of time during which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► you know you you have you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► window to try to try to get your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► in order before the inevitable malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► comes the windows didn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► luxury they had to do it like under live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► fire they had to swap the engine of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► car while it was running and just pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► their operating system down while it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► reacting things a patch of the week to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► patch a smaller ability and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► species being infected with viruses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► was a mess for them Apple had a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► of time to really turn the screws down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► on his operating system and also to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► credit when Apple made a new platform it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► came up with iOS it did a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► job of locking this thing down so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► malware has not been a problem in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► and I think it is much much much much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► much less vulnerable than the Mac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► malware simply because there are few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► moving parts and just everything is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► more nailed down in iOS everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► confined and limited in its authority to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► do stuff the Mac is not like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► the Mac is an older codebase and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► and so forth right well it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► time has run out for Apple and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► the buzzer has rung Apple is not done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► it's like pencils down no more working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and apples in the middle of its essay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► didn't get done doing everything that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► wanted to do I think Apple would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► liked it if it had a few more years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► grace to say can we just get sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► sorted out and get everybody into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► sandboxing which is difficult because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► Sam boxing you know there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► issues with existing applications having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► to change or limited functionality to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► fit in sandboxing and Apple trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► negotiate with the developers all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► we really want you to be sandbox but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► applications still to work and not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► frustrating to users and this is dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► that's still going on and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► significant malware in the Mac OS 10 era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► has hit and infected 1% of the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► so time is up for Apple and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► sad they didn't get done everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► wanted to do arguably they didn't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► had other priorities in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► priorities was you know making iOS which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► I think was this important for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► concentrate on that priority because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► turns out to be the majority of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► business at this point and is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► the future of the or of the company but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► it is kind of a shame that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► get farther along and the one particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► thing I'm going to ding them for is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► so much technologically that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► couldn't screw down the Mac platform to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► be tighter in any amount of time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► they had because I think it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► more important to concentrate on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► which is the obviously the platform of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► the future kick-boxing support of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► future but their policies yeah no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► came to that one and no they want their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► policies like that the way your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► corporate policy decision and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► rejiggering your organization to react [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► to that and Apple has always been bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► that has not been changing it like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► you want to see is like for example this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► Java exploit that flashback exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► it's been around like it's been patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► since February and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► but because apples like man wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► really use Java it's not installed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► default who cares about this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► they're not on top of their game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► terms of getting about patches they in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► effect did this to them stuff like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► don't know how long it took flashback to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► go from zero infections to 1% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► installed Mac installed base but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► might have been over a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► time and you know if Apple had patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► this exploit as soon as the patch was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► available this might not have been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► issue at all but they're so damn slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► and so damn stingy about rolling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► changes now some of that is like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► don't want to have a patch every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► week and we you know the but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► they're not fast enough and then coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► out now like oh here's three job updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► in a week I did I put a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► current job update and a link to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► hour's technical story about this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► did three Java updates in a week that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► being reactive after 1% of your install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► base is infected these are just policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► decisions get a mechanism for dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► with hot fixes take them seriously if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► you some Java exploit and it's patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► and the rest of the world's has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► patch Mac users should have that patch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► don't wait six freaking months because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► like I will roll it into the ten point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► seven point four update or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► patch it out they need a culture and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► procedure of acknowledging exploits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► acting on them quickly and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► want to disrupt users by potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► screwing up their operating system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► illusion to push out like mandatory push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► out of patches to people of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► fixes without breaking their crap that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► part of being reactive to software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► threats and it has it's pretty much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► sideshow to Oh sandbox everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► lockdown RS and get rid of exports these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► are is industry-wide things flash is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► really their responsibility and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► by not shipping it they're basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► abdicating that responsibility but Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► even though they don't ship it as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► showed when you're experimenting a last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► show it gets installed automatically by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► Apple the second you do anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► involves Java so it's on them to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► that and I bet they're a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► you know security things that have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► known for a long time that fixes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► available for that Apple simply has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► distributed not integrated into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► codebase because they don't consider it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► a priority that's something they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► have changed a long time ago and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► really embarrassing that now they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► been caught with their pants down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► so not like this is a zero day exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► where no one even knew about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► exploit and now it's infected all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► Mac's it's a you know nine oh how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► days is that 100-day exploit or however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► long it's been since February there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► excuse for that so at this point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► time has run out it's very disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► that Apple has not reorganized itself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► a company to be the type of machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► I imagine Microsoft is at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► having been proved that you know in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► crucible of fire viruses that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► is ready at a moment's notice to hotfix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► platform providing fixes as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► possible to the latest exploits as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► as they're available Microsoft is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► sitting on patches for things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► impact since February they're just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► there they are more proactive than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► and their organization is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► structured better to deal with security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► threats and apples it's and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► that's a shame so I'll give Apple a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► d-minus on reactiveness two security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► threats and like a b-minus on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► ability to revise its platform to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► more secure because they're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► then it's taking them a while and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► concentrating more on iOS because from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► business perspective that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► but the organizational stuff bad job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► there and by the way I still have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► found a single Mac in real life infected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► with this none of my Mac's at home work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► talk to anybody I don't know anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► that doesn't make course that it has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► going to make sense because if I roll my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► hundred sided die right and I say if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► get a one that means I'm gonna find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► virus that would be 1% so it makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► know I have a 99% and not a chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► not finding that virus in any computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► that I encounter and I think I've rolled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► that hundred sided die in front of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► computer and it has not come up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► one number that I select and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► fits I you know but one percent is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► a large number of people and it's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► happened at all because it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► not a zero day exploit something Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► code Apache long ago and just didn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► sing them panic with three patches in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► single week first two of which didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► even have a thing to remove it and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► the current one says it removes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► variants of this virus well thanks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► Apple pretty lame you know if Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► been really smart as as you say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► all this time that Apple has been nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► impervious but just not affected for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► most part by any kind of virus you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► have thought that Apple would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► building up a really aggressive team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► behind the scenes just sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► ready to pounce at the future the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► sign oh there's a problem that's alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► we got 20 guys who have all they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► doing is waiting for this day and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► let them loose and like they have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► thing that the text malware like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► integrated that and like Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► like they've been adding stuff to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► operating system to try to be reactive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► to this and stuff but the policies not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► the mechanisms like they have the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► they have that signatures of malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► thing and you know that's automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► downloaded to you and you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► have a choice and it's happening in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► background there's no you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► thing like they built that thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► their reaction to like things like known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► exploits with existing patches that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► just need to integrate it into their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► codebase and release like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► they're dropping the ball on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► stupid corporate policy stuff not on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► technology stuff like just release the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► patch like all you needed was some guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► to say our new policy is whenever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► security vulnerability is found in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► insert software or technology or Apache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► PHP Java any of the millions of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► we will integrate that patch and release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► it to our customers within X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► days and X should not be 97 right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► you just have to lay down that policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► and build the organization around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► but just the sense of urgency wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► there I guess the like they felt good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► about like oh we got this malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► detection and we can push out new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► definitions to find stuff and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► how I oh this is what I keep asking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► haven't found a story tell me how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► did it take to go from 0% of Mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► over a week over a month over 6 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► how long did it take for this thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► spread how long did Apple have as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► infection slowly spread and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► nothing right maybe it was really fast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► don't know but the exploit has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► known for a long time and the patch has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► been available for a long time it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► so yeah the honeymoon period is over for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► Apple now they really need to get on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► ball I think this infection is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► percentage-wise but like what the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► does there Apple's lucky that this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► wasn't like one that waits on people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► computers and then then simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► erases all their hard drives on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► particular date six months from now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► that would be nasty and that would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► Apple a huge black eye but it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► been Apple's actions have not done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► anything to prevent that from happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6194">TS</a>]
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