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63: Talking to the Bear

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02 ◼   ► this is hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2">TS</a>]

00:00:04 ◼   ► a weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10 ◼   ► nothing is so perfect that it cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/10">TS</a>]

00:00:14 ◼   ► complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17 ◼   ► siracusa I am Dan Benjamin today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20 ◼   ► Friday April 13th Friday the 13th this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/20">TS</a>]

00:00:24 ◼   ► is episode number 63 we have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/24">TS</a>]

00:00:28 ◼   ► sponsors we'd like to thank both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30 ◼   ► every me.com get harvest calm we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/30">TS</a>]

00:00:34 ◼   ► tell you more about them as the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35 ◼   ► goes on as always we also want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37 ◼   ► thank you very very much to join Khan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39 ◼   ► who provides the bandwidth for this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41 ◼   ► many far episodes we host with them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44 ◼   ► should too joint come on you live from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/44">TS</a>]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Skype 5 Skype 5 yes I don't know of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/49">TS</a>]

00:00:53 ◼   ► all my settings are right I unchecked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55 ◼   ► the thing that said like automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► adjust microphone something or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00 ◼   ► good automatically adjust microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02 ◼   ► settings I unchecked that good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04 ◼   ► otherwise I haven't tweaked it coz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06 ◼   ► just got sick of the other skype so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08 ◼   ► know I gotta find where the mute button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09 ◼   ► is in this interface it's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11 ◼   ► little microphone thing mute your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13 ◼   ► microphone all right here we go let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14 ◼   ► see hey it worked and I can actually see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/74">TS</a>]

00:01:18 ◼   ► when I muted oh wow yeah you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21 ◼   ► struggling with that other one weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you yeah as a sec of it not working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► so now I'm dealing with this gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26 ◼   ► interface that it I don't know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29 ◼   ► but if it works we'll go with it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32 ◼   ► sound the same uh yeah it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34 ◼   ► different and I'm tweaking your audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36 ◼   ► right now I didn't make any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38 ◼   ► changes to settings like I just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40 ◼   ► school installed Skype live and uncheck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► that checkbox nothing else I touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/102">TS</a>]

00:01:43 ◼   ► yeah but who knows what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45 ◼   ► different I know I mean that checkbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47 ◼   ► wasn't even there in the old version so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48 ◼   ► you're right who knows knows new codecs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51 ◼   ► new other things whatever now doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53 ◼   ► matter talking all right do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55 ◼   ► that to be part of the show or should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/115">TS</a>]

00:01:56 ◼   ► start right now I'll leave it up to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58 ◼   ► I'll leave it in all right how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01 ◼   ► doing fine good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04 ◼   ► sorry we're late getting a getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06 ◼   ► started thank you for your patience no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08 ◼   ► problem how are things up there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/128">TS</a>]

00:02:12 ◼   ► Newton Massachusetts they're just dandy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/132">TS</a>]

00:02:16 ◼   ► I'm looking at my notes for the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18 ◼   ► it looks it like exactly the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21 ◼   ► last week's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/141">TS</a>]

00:02:22 ◼   ► then that's well knowing knowing full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/142">TS</a>]

00:02:25 ◼   ► well that last week was the perfect show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27 ◼   ► I expect another perfect show so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30 ◼   ► people who weren't interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32 ◼   ► topics last week as a reminder we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/152">TS</a>]

00:02:33 ◼   ► about Mac App Store upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35 ◼   ► readability I expect you also not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► this week's topics because it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40 ◼   ► be a lot more stuff on Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42 ◼   ► upgrades and readability and then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44 ◼   ► very very end I do have s we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► about the flashback thing a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48 ◼   ► maybe Instagram a little bit but who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51 ◼   ► knows if we'll even get to those so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53 ◼   ► that's my plan for today's show I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55 ◼   ► that sounds good to me and the sums up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► despite me saying that I didn't want any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00 ◼   ► more car follow-up it continues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/180">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► stream in I'm cutting most of it all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04 ◼   ► just put it one or two little items of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07 ◼   ► car follow-up quick ones okay first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10 ◼   ► is about parking in Paris this is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/190">TS</a>]

00:03:15 ◼   ► shows ago talking about the cars not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/195">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► touching right and some people said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18 ◼   ► they you know they bump bumpers when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20 ◼   ► they're parking cars in Paris and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22 ◼   ► invited foolishly French people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24 ◼   ► respond to me and tell me if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26 ◼   ► something that actually happens very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28 ◼   ► large volume of responses from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► the aisle these are the two themes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33 ◼   ► I brought away from this feedback the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/213">TS</a>]

00:03:34 ◼   ► first theme is that the vast vast vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37 ◼   ► majority of people who responded said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39 ◼   ► yes they really happens cars really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41 ◼   ► push the bumpers against each other when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► they're parking in Paris like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► thing I only can remember one maybe two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48 ◼   ► people who said oh that doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that person's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/230">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► and they're always sandwich by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► three other emails they came within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54 ◼   ► same minute saying the opposite so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/234">TS</a>]

00:03:57 ◼   ► assuming all these people who claim to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/237">TS</a>]

00:03:58 ◼   ► have either visited France or lived in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00 ◼   ► France for years or be French be French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02 ◼   ► citizens I'm trusting them and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/242">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► yes this really does happen in France [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/243">TS</a>]

00:04:04 ◼   ► and the other big theme that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07 ◼   ► volunteered that I didn't ask about at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► all was that the other thing to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► Paris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12 ◼   ► specifically apparently maybe in all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14 ◼   ► France but they all everyone kept saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/254">TS</a>]

00:04:15 ◼   ► Paris is to leave the parking brake off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18 ◼   ► on your car mmm and you do this so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21 ◼   ► when the cars try to squeeze in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22 ◼   ► spots that they can like push your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24 ◼   ► forward a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25 ◼   ► not quite enough room with your parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26 ◼   ► brake is off they'll just kind of nudge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► your car forward to make room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► himself right and everybody volunteered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the spontaneous they don't know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/271">TS</a>]

00:04:32 ◼   ► each other you know giving his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34 ◼   ► information we never mentioned it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35 ◼   ► show but like a good 60 or 70 percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► the people who said yes cars do touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40 ◼   ► felt compelled to add this bit about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/280">TS</a>]

00:04:41 ◼   ► parking brake and it makes me think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► are there no Hills in Paris I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46 ◼   ► been to France I don't know maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48 ◼   ► very flat but it's just it's all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49 ◼   ► just like Florida in that way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51 ◼   ► totally flat there's no mountains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52 ◼   ► there's no curvature even to the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/292">TS</a>]

00:04:55 ◼   ► it's all straight roads well the roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► are winding but it's like even if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/298">TS</a>]

00:04:59 ◼   ► slight slope if you leave your car in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01 ◼   ► gear I guess it won't roll away but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04 ◼   ► it's in gear can you push it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► another car easily to get the parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07 ◼   ► brake I don't know I'm talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09 ◼   ► stick shift car I don't know anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11 ◼   ► this this is apparently a thing so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/311">TS</a>]

00:05:15 ◼   ► just leave that as it is someday I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16 ◼   ► to France and I will investigate this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18 ◼   ► person by trying to shove Park cars with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20 ◼   ► my hand and see if they really do roll I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22 ◼   ► can ask I get it my uncle is is French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24 ◼   ► from you know spent many years in Paris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/324">TS</a>]

00:05:27 ◼   ► and Brittany from there and he and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/327">TS</a>]

00:05:31 ◼   ► aunt go back frequently I could ask them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33 ◼   ► if that's true yeah maybe it's changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36 ◼   ► although some people did provide photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/336">TS</a>]

00:05:37 ◼   ► evidence of like minis who have a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40 ◼   ► bumper mounted higher to better meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42 ◼   ► with the bumpers of the car because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44 ◼   ► minis rear bumpers apparently very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46 ◼   ► and doesn't really meet up well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► other cars bumpers so there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/347">TS</a>]

00:05:48 ◼   ► picture of a Mini with a second bumper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50 ◼   ► attached to it so that it had something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52 ◼   ► to properly meet with the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/352">TS</a>]

00:05:53 ◼   ► bumpers of the other cars okay that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/353">TS</a>]

00:05:58 ◼   ► when someone sent me a link to a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/358">TS</a>]

00:06:02 ◼   ► Maps thing showing where all the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03 ◼   ► manufacturing plants are and had and car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05 ◼   ► company headquarters and stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Germany with like little pins dropped on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/367">TS</a>]

00:06:08 ◼   ► all of them neat so I'll put that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10 ◼   ► show notes because I figured that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/370">TS</a>]

00:06:11 ◼   ► spent a while to make that little map I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13 ◼   ► had also some follow-up I remember we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15 ◼   ► were discussing the that you can go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17 ◼   ► pick up your BMW and have the BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19 ◼   ► experience in North Carolina where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/379">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► have some kind of special plant it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► actually in South Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► yeah the Carolina people don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28 ◼   ► when you get that mixed up right I lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/388">TS</a>]

00:06:29 ◼   ► in North Carolina for a year or so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/389">TS</a>]

00:06:33 ◼   ► love North Carolina and I I did I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/393">TS</a>]

00:06:36 ◼   ► aware at one point that it was in South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38 ◼   ► Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40 ◼   ► but I I like North Carolina a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/400">TS</a>]

00:06:43 ◼   ► better so I'm sorry I'm not a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/403">TS</a>]

00:06:47 ◼   ► all right yes many people sent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50 ◼   ► correction it is in South Carolina I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51 ◼   ► should have caught that too but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52 ◼   ► they do tend to blend in my mind yeah as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55 ◼   ► they should they should all be called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57 ◼   ► North Carolina they just that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00 ◼   ► better basketball I drove through both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02 ◼   ► those states multiple times but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04 ◼   ► stopped except for gas all right so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/424">TS</a>]

00:07:10 ◼   ► this was a follow-up to the after dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13 ◼   ► to last show for some reason when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16 ◼   ► putting the link we in the after dark we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► talked a little bit about PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19 ◼   ► games there was a bunch of links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/439">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► PlayStation bundles and they ended up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/440">TS</a>]

00:07:21 ◼   ► the show and not in the after dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23 ◼   ► then people said what's with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/443">TS</a>]

00:07:24 ◼   ► PlayStation links in the show notes did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/444">TS</a>]

00:07:25 ◼   ► you even talk about PlayStation on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27 ◼   ► show so no I apologize for that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/447">TS</a>]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that was actually discussed in the after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31 ◼   ► dark which you can find if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► interested but related to that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► person sent me some information because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37 ◼   ► I mentioned the after dark that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/457">TS</a>]

00:07:38 ◼   ► reluctant to give Sony my credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► number on the PlayStation Network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/460">TS</a>]

00:07:41 ◼   ► because of all the security problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/461">TS</a>]

00:07:42 ◼   ► they've had and Gabriel pagan wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45 ◼   ► to say that you don't have to give Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47 ◼   ► your credit card number you can buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49 ◼   ► gift card from Amazon and then enter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/469">TS</a>]

00:07:52 ◼   ► gift card number into the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53 ◼   ► Network so if you're not spooling to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56 ◼   ► if you've decided not to spend $400 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58 ◼   ► PlayStation so you can play Shadow of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00 ◼   ► the Colossus eco The Last Guardian and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03 ◼   ► journey and the only thing stopping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06 ◼   ► is that you didn't want to give your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07 ◼   ► credit card number to buy journey on PSN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10 ◼   ► now you don't have that problem you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11 ◼   ► go to Amazon and buy the gift card and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13 ◼   ► the hilarious thing about this I put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14 ◼   ► link in the show instead the gift card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16 ◼   ► that link that was provided by Gabriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18 ◼   ► is that if you go and you buy a $10 gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► card it cost you $16.88 really yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/501">TS</a>]

00:08:25 ◼   ► does I'm looking at it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26 ◼   ► playstation network card subscription [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/506">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► length $10 format card prize 1688 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/509">TS</a>]

00:08:33 ◼   ► it's not like Xbox like points or Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Points with some sort of conversion this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37 ◼   ► is just regular dollars you were only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/517">TS</a>]

00:08:38 ◼   ► getting $10 a value out of the $16 card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41 ◼   ► that's weird why does it cost more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► $10 maybe it's just supply and demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44 ◼   ► and nobody wants to give their credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46 ◼   ► card to Playstations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/526">TS</a>]

00:08:47 ◼   ► we have a captive audience these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49 ◼   ► are so scared to enter their credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51 ◼   ► into the PlayStation Network that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53 ◼   ► actually charge them sixteen dollars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► a ten dollar card and they'll still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55 ◼   ► it because that six dollars is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57 ◼   ► stir nothing to give Sony credit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59 ◼   ► already gave Sony my credit card so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01 ◼   ► already doomed but save yourself if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► want to send this extra six bucks maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you could find these cards are cheap you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► know what you could also do is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07 ◼   ► idea you could get a credit card that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10 ◼   ► you use exclusively or just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► PlayStation and or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15 ◼   ► things that you really don't trust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17 ◼   ► way that many of us have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/557">TS</a>]

00:09:18 ◼   ► throwaway email address you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20 ◼   ► essentially a card that you could watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22 ◼   ► very very closely and if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24 ◼   ► anything strange ease immediately cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26 ◼   ► the card or or you know charge back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28 ◼   ► whatever it is I still have bad memories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30 ◼   ► of implementing credit card processing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32 ◼   ► I'm the first ecommerce store that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34 ◼   ► that I broke myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36 ◼   ► dealing with single-use credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38 ◼   ► numbers that used to be really popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39 ◼   ► back and like the late 90s early 2000s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► to remember those not really what were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44 ◼   ► they just like what they saw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► single-use yeah they would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47 ◼   ► issue you I don't know how it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49 ◼   ► like a card or like you went to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► website or something and you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51 ◼   ► credit card number that can only be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► one time and we like to generate you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/593">TS</a>]

00:09:54 ◼   ► new credit card number so you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► have to worry about you number being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/595">TS</a>]

00:09:56 ◼   ► stolen but these one-time use numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58 ◼   ► didn't conform to the same standards as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the other numbers all your detection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/601">TS</a>]

00:10:02 ◼   ► algorithms are figuring out if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/602">TS</a>]

00:10:03 ◼   ► Visa or whatever and they had different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05 ◼   ► processing requirements didn't behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/605">TS</a>]

00:10:06 ◼   ► like regular cards and you had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► careful and know if they were single-use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10 ◼   ► was that meant you couldn't charge them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► a second time if you wanted to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13 ◼   ► use the same card number over again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/613">TS</a>]

00:10:16 ◼   ► shouldn't store it and it was a big mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17 ◼   ► but I they don't seem to be that popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19 ◼   ► anymore I guess they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/619">TS</a>]

00:10:20 ◼   ► annoying for customers but that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/620">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► a similar example if they still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23 ◼   ► these or if you still have one user the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► one-time use number for your PSN thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► all right enough of that that me nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/627">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► see talked about every day we see alerts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34 ◼   ► that service thing sends you a text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36 ◼   ► we speculated about I said I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39 ◼   ► wondering what their numbers were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and the reason I was wondering is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42 ◼   ► besides seeing a tweet by Casey lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► sometime that day earlier and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46 ◼   ► remember the numbers from it so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47 ◼   ► after the show Casey reminded me of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49 ◼   ► those tweets were and then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the WWC alerts Twitter account updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► tweeted updated numbers so as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/654">TS</a>]

00:10:58 ◼   ► sometime around last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Debbi day we see alerts claimed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02 ◼   ► there are around 5,000 tickets available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► ho WT we see that's an assumption I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06 ◼   ► guess because nobody knows except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Apple but based on historical sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that's how much they're expected to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and wec alerts has 9000 subscribers so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14 ◼   ► far and that could be you know increased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/674">TS</a>]

00:11:17 ◼   ► by now so there you have it we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20 ◼   ► should mention that some rumors about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22 ◼   ► dates had been posted one of them here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/682">TS</a>]

00:11:26 ◼   ► that I just talked about on amplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28 ◼   ► show with with with Jim Dalrymple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► I'll put it listen up oh you it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33 ◼   ► good one I'll put this into our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35 ◼   ► notes as well but it's an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36 ◼   ► actually came out February 2nd from Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39 ◼   ► rumors that simply has a screenshot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the I believe this is the masconi's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/702">TS</a>]

00:11:46 ◼   ► event calendar and I'll put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49 ◼   ► that if I can yeah there it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51 ◼   ► shows there is what is simply called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53 ◼   ► corporate meeting which is code for WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/713">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► for June 11th through June 15th that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00 ◼   ► been there forever though that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02 ◼   ► there for months right absolutely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that is the only yeah I mean at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/724">TS</a>]

00:12:07 ◼   ► since February if not longer but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► the only law you know float levels one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/729">TS</a>]

00:12:13 ◼   ► through three are blocked off for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/733">TS</a>]

00:12:14 ◼   ► convention slash trade show during that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/734">TS</a>]

00:12:18 ◼   ► time period and and as long as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20 ◼   ► plans to have it at Moscone which why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22 ◼   ► wouldn't they but maybe they're not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24 ◼   ► if they are that would seem like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26 ◼   ► only time know that it would possibly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29 ◼   ► it so I think those are the dates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/749">TS</a>]

00:12:30 ◼   ► if you're planning on booking you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32 ◼   ► on an early hotel or something you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34 ◼   ► always cancel it but that seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36 ◼   ► right time to do it I've had that in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38 ◼   ► calendar since yeah I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41 ◼   ► beginning of the year when we first saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42 ◼   ► that but I'm not willing to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44 ◼   ► risk of actually starting to buy stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46 ◼   ► mean even if you like balla stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47 ◼   ► you were right what if you don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48 ◼   ► ticket then well I won't be buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51 ◼   ► ticket but for you I think that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/771">TS</a>]

00:12:52 ◼   ► a trouble because you're very you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54 ◼   ► made it clear on the show that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56 ◼   ► very interested in attending the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58 ◼   ► sessions I I have no interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00 ◼   ► attending it the sessions but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/780">TS</a>]

00:13:04 ◼   ► will will likely be there because if for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07 ◼   ► no other reason this is the only time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09 ◼   ► place where we will be in a city in town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12 ◼   ► where pretty much everybody who has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/794">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► on 5x5 or at least the shows if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17 ◼   ► everybody at least it shows that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19 ◼   ► co-host people with this the only time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21 ◼   ► we'll all be together so it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24 ◼   ► to go and I do do a 5x5 thing out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27 ◼   ► what are you gonna do that we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29 ◼   ► going to be in WT received dutifully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31 ◼   ► attending session yeah but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/811">TS</a>]

00:13:32 ◼   ► sessions don't go very late into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► evenings they tenderly tend to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36 ◼   ► before dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/816">TS</a>]

00:13:37 ◼   ► so having a having a dinner would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39 ◼   ► wonderful thing yeah we could do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you're treating everybody right of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/823">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► alright are you that concerned I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/823">TS</a>]

00:13:47 ◼   ► yes I of course I am but are you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50 ◼   ► that concerned well you might have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/830">TS</a>]

00:13:51 ◼   ► chip 15 bucks into a dinner I mean I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53 ◼   ► yes I'm buying your dinner but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54 ◼   ► everybody's dinner but yeah it depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► on how much I end up paying for hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58 ◼   ► and everything like I managed to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00 ◼   ► pretty good deal last time but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/840">TS</a>]

00:14:01 ◼   ► especially you know if you're waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04 ◼   ► until after you get tickets to book your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07 ◼   ► hotel you know it's not at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/847">TS</a>]

00:14:11 ◼   ► what if they announce that the tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13 ◼   ► to go for sale like two weeks before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15 ◼   ► happens and these these hotels I'll jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17 ◼   ► up their prices as soon as they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19 ◼   ► that there's some big event coming it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/859">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► just supply and demand of getting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21 ◼   ► are demanding rooms yeah so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23 ◼   ► how much it was all going to run me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/863">TS</a>]

00:14:24 ◼   ► could be expensive yeah you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27 ◼   ► to worry about so I got an email this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/867">TS</a>]

00:14:31 ◼   ► unrelated to anything but falls in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33 ◼   ► follow up because it's I guess it relate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35 ◼   ► to the Mac App Store NIC Dirk wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37 ◼   ► to tell me that he had this problem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the national Dirk and ek first name dr k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/879">TS</a>]

00:14:43 ◼   ► last night that sounds like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45 ◼   ► cool movie villain name yes and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/885">TS</a>]

00:14:49 ◼   ► this problem that I've thought about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51 ◼   ► few times when looking at app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53 ◼   ► pages where he was looking at a game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55 ◼   ► you know when you're on the App Store I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57 ◼   ► think this is an iOS game but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/897">TS</a>]

00:14:58 ◼   ► matter though the stores look similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/898">TS</a>]

00:14:59 ◼   ► and there on the left side is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02 ◼   ► requirement section that tells you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03 ◼   ► this is an iOS game is a requirement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05 ◼   ► section that tells you what this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/905">TS</a>]

00:15:06 ◼   ► runs on and so there's some text there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and I assume that text is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/909">TS</a>]

00:15:10 ◼   ► question for Marco but I assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12 ◼   ► text is generated from the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14 ◼   ► puts up the app like check in a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16 ◼   ► checkboxes or somehow indicating what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18 ◼   ► devices the thing runs on maybe you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20 ◼   ► even bake it into your application by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22 ◼   ► setting some things in Xcode or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/922">TS</a>]

00:15:23 ◼   ► but the example from this game it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/923">TS</a>]

00:15:26 ◼   ► requirements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/926">TS</a>]

00:15:26 ◼   ► compatible compatible with iphone ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29 ◼   ► touch and ipad requires iOS 3.1.3 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32 ◼   ► later so that seems like you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34 ◼   ► not something to develop a rope that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35 ◼   ► just like the metadata along the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37 ◼   ► side along with like title and rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39 ◼   ► and all you know release date and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41 ◼   ► whatever right uh and he bought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/941">TS</a>]

00:15:44 ◼   ► game because he has an iphone 3g running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46 ◼   ► iOS 4.2 which seems like it fulfills the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49 ◼   ► requirements do says iphone ipod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51 ◼   ► ipad and then the OS version is three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/951">TS</a>]

00:15:54 ◼   ► point one point three year later and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55 ◼   ► four point two is greater than that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/955">TS</a>]

00:15:56 ◼   ► he's got an iphone 3g so it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58 ◼   ► fine so he bought it and it didn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/958">TS</a>]

00:15:59 ◼   ► in his phone and he complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01 ◼   ► Apple and the Apple refunded his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/961">TS</a>]

00:16:04 ◼   ► purchase which was nice and then he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07 ◼   ► well you know why does your store tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09 ◼   ► me that this should run and but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11 ◼   ► doesn't and and he complained to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13 ◼   ► developer tooling developers like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14 ◼   ► well if you look at the description for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the game this is the thing the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/976">TS</a>]

00:16:17 ◼   ► writes that's collapsed by default you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19 ◼   ► know it's under the click here and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20 ◼   ► the more link and it expands down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23 ◼   ► description the developer rights says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/983">TS</a>]

00:16:24 ◼   ► it's a game for the iPhone for iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/984">TS</a>]

00:16:29 ◼   ► iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31 ◼   ► developer wrote that and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32 ◼   ► accurate but why is that not reflected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34 ◼   ► in the requirements section and so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37 ◼   ► said they would flag this for review and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38 ◼   ► try to figure out what's going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40 ◼   ► but I'm always suspicious of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42 ◼   ► requirements and that's why I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:43 ◼   ► expand a little more link to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45 ◼   ► description and read the reviews and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47 ◼   ► encourage everybody who's working who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49 ◼   ► looking in the App Store to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51 ◼   ► descriptions and read some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:54 ◼   ► reviews like sort by most critical or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:55 ◼   ► something to figure out what the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57 ◼   ► this thing is really going to run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58 ◼   ► your device or not especially for games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59 ◼   ► and stuff because sometimes they require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00 ◼   ► a particular CPU or GPU speed and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02 ◼   ► like that so this is an area of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05 ◼   ► store that Apple could stand to improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07 ◼   ► and and I don't know how long ago this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:08 ◼   ► example was but I looked up the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10 ◼   ► it's still like this like the thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the left side says something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:12 ◼   ► than the description which you can't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14 ◼   ► because this claps by default so shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:18 ◼   ► on Apple there all right now finally Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21 ◼   ► App Store upgrades lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24 ◼   ► feedback on oh yeah also lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26 ◼   ► feedback and readability too but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27 ◼   ► going to do a Mac App Store upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28 ◼   ► first because I think I have more to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30 ◼   ► about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31 ◼   ► maybe we'll see Oh some of the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34 ◼   ► said the requirements you're taking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:35 ◼   ► build settings and input appeal is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36 ◼   ► device requirements oh by the way I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38 ◼   ► is great new I think everybody's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40 ◼   ► be relieved to hear that in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41 ◼   ► room I heard that but then I don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43 ◼   ► you're saying I think you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:44 ◼   ► lurking I'm reading all right you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:48 ◼   ► news of a new skd feature what is skd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:54 ◼   ► SDK all right typos anyway I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57 ◼   ► believe that people in the Chairman have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59 ◼   ► typos and I'm leaving again I don't sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:00 ◼   ► and yes I yeah yeah now that's it dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02 ◼   ► that anyone is over so I tried to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:08 ◼   ► the Mac App Store upgrades feedback into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10 ◼   ► themes I'll see how well I did here one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13 ◼   ► of the themes and a lot of the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that I got was the idea that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:18 ◼   ► like Apple is acknowledging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21 ◼   ► potential existence of upgrades in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:24 ◼   ► wording for the user interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27 ◼   ► particularly people point out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29 ◼   ► iTunes application for iOS apps where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31 ◼   ► the button that lets you update all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33 ◼   ► applications it says download all free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35 ◼   ► updates and the fact that the word free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38 ◼   ► is there is like its distinguishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40 ◼   ► between free updates and non free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42 ◼   ► updates now iTunes being the typical UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44 ◼   ► mess that it is when you click on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47 ◼   ► button next to download all free updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the dialog box that appears that prompts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50 ◼   ► you for your password the button that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52 ◼   ► lets you continue doing the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54 ◼   ► want to do is labeled by so that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57 ◼   ► make much sense to me use click the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:58 ◼   ► button says free then you're enter your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00 ◼   ► pass when you click buy and I know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02 ◼   ► was my parents or something they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03 ◼   ► be saying huh is this gonna charge me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05 ◼   ► more money for something I clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06 ◼   ► and said free but the button says buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you have to go yeah it's just hit by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10 ◼   ► know it says buy is just the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12 ◼   ► dial at whatever so that's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:13 ◼   ► mess but I'd notice that as well but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:17 ◼   ► don't how much you could read into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:18 ◼   ► maybe they're just trying to reassure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:19 ◼   ► people that they're free and not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:22 ◼   ► to distinguish between free updates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24 ◼   ► a potential future non free update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26 ◼   ► I don't know but lots lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:27 ◼   ► latched on to that as their hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:30 ◼   ► someday paid upgrades would be coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► the store sheer a wild wrote in with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:37 ◼   ► good meta question he says our upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40 ◼   ► widely understood a widely understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41 ◼   ► notion for consumers that's something we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44 ◼   ► didn't talk about like for non nerds for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47 ◼   ► people who have never really bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48 ◼   ► software before getting an iOS device or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50 ◼   ► before having a Mac with the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51 ◼   ► Store do they even understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and what a paid upgrade is or an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:58 ◼   ► at all like maybe their notion maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01 ◼   ► notion of software actually does match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03 ◼   ► what Apple has been doing where you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06 ◼   ► some money or not for a thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09 ◼   ► an icon appear on your thing right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:13 ◼   ► if they understand that when the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16 ◼   ► other little picture thing has a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18 ◼   ► on it that it tells you there's updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:19 ◼   ► to your applications and you get a newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21 ◼   ► version of thing and maybe you notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:22 ◼   ► like oh it looks a little different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:23 ◼   ► like they added stuff to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24 ◼   ► friends or there's you know really more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26 ◼   ► ads all over it or whatever like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:29 ◼   ► idea that newer versions are available I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32 ◼   ► think Apple makes that easy enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34 ◼   ► you could figure out how to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35 ◼   ► happen you know on your phone or on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38 ◼   ► Mac or whatever but clearly nowhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that process is more payment taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43 ◼   ► place and like you just get an updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45 ◼   ► version of that app I don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48 ◼   ► people understand that especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:49 ◼   ► case where like if you do an upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50 ◼   ► like oh I like the old version better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► they move buttons around or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:53 ◼   ► you know you do have to pay for it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56 ◼   ► you wish you had the old version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58 ◼   ► course an apple with the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00 ◼   ► provides no way for you to say no easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02 ◼   ► way our regular consumers say unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04 ◼   ► and I'm bringing me back to the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:05 ◼   ► version I guess they could restore from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:06 ◼   ► a backup but even that I think it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07 ◼   ► complicated for the average person for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► the average person if you figure out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11 ◼   ► upgrades thing and get a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13 ◼   ► the friends and you don't like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:14 ◼   ► you wish you had the previous version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15 ◼   ► back I think you're immediately beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18 ◼   ► your capacity to get that done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20 ◼   ► doing a little bit of research or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:21 ◼   ► learning something and that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23 ◼   ► frustrating but certainly no part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25 ◼   ► that experiences that you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26 ◼   ► again for this application and he points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:33 ◼   ► out that on iOS you have this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34 ◼   ► where if you were to buy a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36 ◼   ► version and you had data associated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the application it's not easy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40 ◼   ► new version of the application to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the data with the old one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:42 ◼   ► they're sandbox and everything so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44 ◼   ► a confusing thing as well but like by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46 ◼   ► not having paid upgrades it you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:50 ◼   ► impression that you're giving users on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52 ◼   ► these platforms is that you buy an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54 ◼   ► once and it's yours forever there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:57 ◼   ► later feedback that gets that gets more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59 ◼   ► into this thing but I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00 ◼   ► good question of like lose this thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02 ◼   ► keep talking about grades because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:03 ◼   ► all Mac users and we know about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05 ◼   ► paying paying for a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07 ◼   ► Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08 ◼   ► paying less than you would pay if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:09 ◼   ► buying for the first time that upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:10 ◼   ► pricing I don't think that concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11 ◼   ► exists in the mind of most consumers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:14 ◼   ► are like buying iPhones or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16 ◼   ► that's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17 ◼   ► Steve Craig points out that paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:20 ◼   ► upgrades in the Mac App Store or the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22 ◼   ► App Store would certainly be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:23 ◼   ► crowd-pleaser to announce the WotC I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25 ◼   ► think it would be but I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28 ◼   ► makes it any more or less likely that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► really not how Apple Apple operates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31 ◼   ► people like the idea that apples like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:32 ◼   ► carefully planning something and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34 ◼   ► all they're intentionally not giving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:35 ◼   ► paid upgrade because they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► announce a B C and have it be exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38 ◼   ► it's not really the way they work I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:41 ◼   ► they'll hold something back if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43 ◼   ► to of like a week or so or a month or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and then maybe they'll announce it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► little early if it's landing on an event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49 ◼   ► like WTC but Apple decides when WotC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:52 ◼   ► and they certainly haven't been holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:53 ◼   ► for years this feature so they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55 ◼   ► have something to announce at WABC it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► not the way that work once you get a WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59 ◼   ► is a new phone in iOS 6 preview but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:02 ◼   ► probably you know that's not why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:05 ◼   ► don't hit it's not centered around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► events that's not how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08 ◼   ► Chris Clark wrote in to tell me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11 ◼   ► the concept of one low price for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:15 ◼   ► everything and no upgrades his making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17 ◼   ► him adjust his buying habits so he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19 ◼   ► aperture customer and so aperture used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21 ◼   ► to be like this $200 app or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23 ◼   ► was and then when I went into the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:24 ◼   ► Store the like hey it's 70 bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:25 ◼   ► there's no more upgrades it's just 70 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► 80 bucks for everybody and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:31 ◼   ► eliminates this by initially at a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33 ◼   ► price and then get the upgrade to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34 ◼   ► next version the lower price thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► everything is the lower price so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37 ◼   ► welcome everybody make more people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:38 ◼   ► software but now he's in a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40 ◼   ► where aperture 3 is already pretty old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42 ◼   ► this is like 2 years old and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► reluctant to buy it because he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that if aperture 4 comes out like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49 ◼   ► know in a couple months or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► which he thinks it's soon to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52 ◼   ► around the corner he's gonna have to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54 ◼   ► it all over again whereas if aperture 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57 ◼   ► was you know $200 but he knew he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59 ◼   ► get an upgrade to aperture for 420 he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01 ◼   ► would buy aperture 3 now to get onboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03 ◼   ► the upgrade train then paid a lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05 ◼   ► price later so now he's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► hesitant to buy because it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:11 ◼   ► buy the old version the day before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12 ◼   ► new version comes out there's you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14 ◼   ► no recourse you don't get the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16 ◼   ► version for a discounted price or free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18 ◼   ► or anything like that is like oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:19 ◼   ► flex to be you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:20 ◼   ► whereas in the old model if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► Photoshop cs5 the day before CSX comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25 ◼   ► out you can upgrade to CSX for a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28 ◼   ► reduced price instead of having to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the full price for cs6 again and again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32 ◼   ► think apples idea is well okay so lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34 ◼   ► all your prices so that it's not painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35 ◼   ► to get the new version no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► like lower your prices so that it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39 ◼   ► lower than the upgrade price would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► and isn't that doesn't make everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42 ◼   ► happy but people used to the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45 ◼   ► have new things to worry about there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:48 ◼   ► points out that maybe it's because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49 ◼   ► an Apple nerd and watch for upgrades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50 ◼   ► things about this type of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:51 ◼   ► maybe it's not relevant at all to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53 ◼   ► regular consumer and that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:54 ◼   ► true too but this is another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► people who are used to one model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57 ◼   ► software even just this is a consumer if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59 ◼   ► not as a developer might have trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► adjusting to whatever the heck apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02 ◼   ► trying to do especially since they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03 ◼   ► so reluctant to fully articulate what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06 ◼   ► is they're trying to do had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09 ◼   ► questions last time but in-app purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10 ◼   ► and how that relates to the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12 ◼   ► Store and I said it you know I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14 ◼   ► know if it was in that gap store and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15 ◼   ► said it was and it isn't in the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17 ◼   ► Store but subsequent feedback in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:18 ◼   ► actually looking at the documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19 ◼   ► afterwards has shown me that in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:22 ◼   ► purchase isn't really a way to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► paid upgrades at all there's two ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you could do in-app purchase in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► App Store the first one is where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:31 ◼   ► unlocking features so you give them an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► application and everything that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36 ◼   ► application can do is already built into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the application and within in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:41 ◼   ► purchase you could unlock functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► right so you can have like the plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45 ◼   ► version and then pay extra and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47 ◼   ► unlocks all the pro features for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49 ◼   ► something isn't that like a paid upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:50 ◼   ► well no not really because the paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51 ◼   ► upgrade is like you release a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53 ◼   ► software and then you work for six more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55 ◼   ► months on version 2 of that software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58 ◼   ► then you want to get some incremental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1558">TS</a>]

00:25:59 ◼   ► revenue from the people who've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:00 ◼   ► bought version 1 and if you're working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02 ◼   ► for 6 months that means the stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:03 ◼   ► finished at the end of those 6 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04 ◼   ► isn't in the executable that the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06 ◼   ► 1 people have and I suppose you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08 ◼   ► release a new version of version 1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10 ◼   ► with all these features locked into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11 ◼   ► and then charge them to unlock it ah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:14 ◼   ► I don't I don't know how that like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:18 ◼   ► if your application is radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:19 ◼   ► different right then you give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21 ◼   ► version 2 and our city got version 1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:25 ◼   ► they've unlocked features in version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► then you give them version 2 but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28 ◼   ► don't change the name of the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:29 ◼   ► so you get version 2 but it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► totally different but now stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31 ◼   ► locked again it's a strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► I don't think that's what Apple intends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36 ◼   ► in-app purchases to to be like as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:40 ◼   ► replacement upgrades and maybe they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► it's hard to tell again they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42 ◼   ► really express their intent with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44 ◼   ► features but it's hard to tell like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45 ◼   ► this how you expect to stop great or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46 ◼   ► applications to keep giving people new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48 ◼   ► executables with successively larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:51 ◼   ► portions of it hidden as locked away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:55 ◼   ► things and then you pay inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:59 ◼   ► application to unlock those new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01 ◼   ► and then we give you a new version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02 ◼   ► has I guess has even more stuff locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► and then you pay to unlock those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► what about the things you're unlocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07 ◼   ► revisions to the current features I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09 ◼   ► just thinking as an app developer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► how would you manage this set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12 ◼   ► features that have been progressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► unlocked because you're not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:15 ◼   ► adding feature sometimes you're refining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16 ◼   ► the old ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17 ◼   ► so I don't quite see how that works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► especially if you're going to radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22 ◼   ► alter your product like version 2 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like a major overhaul from version 1 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26 ◼   ► can't keep releasing to the same product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27 ◼   ► because you're kind of stomping on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29 ◼   ► version 1 people's toes you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► talk more about that a little bit too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► the whole idea of letting people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36 ◼   ► using what they'd like to use instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37 ◼   ► being forced to upgrade and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► model is where you for in-app purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42 ◼   ► you just provide content so you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:43 ◼   ► provide executables you can't modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45 ◼   ► your applications bundle as that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47 ◼   ► calls it you can just provide like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49 ◼   ► levels or data that you can put them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► Documents folder and that obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52 ◼   ► doesn't really apply to doing an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:53 ◼   ► to an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54 ◼   ► I can't alter the executable or any part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57 ◼   ► of it I can just provide your data for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58 ◼   ► games and stuff that might work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00 ◼   ► you're just giving you levels but for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02 ◼   ► application you really need to alter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03 ◼   ► executable to provide new features huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:09 ◼   ► some musings on wilshire please blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► which I have again put in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13 ◼   ► is a Mac App Store needs paid upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16 ◼   ► thinking about it more afterwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:17 ◼   ► reading all the feedback it creasing Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:20 ◼   ► looks to me kind of like you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22 ◼   ► talking to the bear that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24 ◼   ► something you would know about talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:25 ◼   ► to the bear like smoking the bear thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:29 ◼   ► or that you never heard of that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32 ◼   ► like when you talk to a stuffed animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:35 ◼   ► bear yeah to work something out you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38 ◼   ► talking to an inanimate object because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the act of explaining it helps you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42 ◼   ► out but this is for people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45 ◼   ► have like radio internet radio shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:48 ◼   ► yeah okay I haven't done that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:51 ◼   ► know if it's a stuffed bear or even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:52 ◼   ► if is the right thing but it's it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54 ◼   ► I don't recommend going to talking - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56 ◼   ► bear calm don't do that all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59 ◼   ► actually do it I'll put it into the into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01 ◼   ► the show notes so getting away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:07 ◼   ► well-known saying that I apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08 ◼   ► don't remember very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10 ◼   ► looking at the blog it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► we'll Shipley's having a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14 ◼   ► with himself about how he has to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17 ◼   ► his business right like the act of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20 ◼   ► writing down it's kind of like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22 ◼   ► you're going to complain to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24 ◼   ► about something or writing a long email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26 ◼   ► to complain to them and as you write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:27 ◼   ► as you try to articulate and justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:31 ◼   ► your position you lead yourself to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34 ◼   ► things you can do to get around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► uh and that this thing kind of reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39 ◼   ► like that like here's how my business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41 ◼   ► works here's how the new model makes my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:44 ◼   ► business not work the same way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46 ◼   ► here's how I can't make money the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48 ◼   ► way I used to he doesn't quite get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and therefore a call he does a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52 ◼   ► bit and therefore I would have to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► my business an x y&z way to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► make money I would not be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:58 ◼   ► provide upgrades ongoing and have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00 ◼   ► make new products because you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02 ◼   ► kind of touches on that a little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that's that's how I'm starting to view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05 ◼   ► this and that's a lot of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07 ◼   ► are don't really have much stake and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:10 ◼   ► developed like they're just consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11 ◼   ► they say well yeah I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13 ◼   ► if it's tough for consumers maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► doesn't either they're just saying not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15 ◼   ► you know just adjust Apple decides this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17 ◼   ► is what we're going to do and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19 ◼   ► developers who just have to adjust to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and that big blog post like that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► ville Shipley is kind of like him coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26 ◼   ► to terms with how the old model is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28 ◼   ► going to work for him and possible ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that he can adjust to it he's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► complaining and saying look Apple if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33 ◼   ► would just provide this feature then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35 ◼   ► wouldn't have to adjust in this way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:36 ◼   ► we could continue to make money the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► normal way we did and he also argues for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39 ◼   ► why he thinks the way he used to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► money is actually good for consumers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44 ◼   ► terms of being able to make a major new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47 ◼   ► versions of a product instead of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► making one product and then quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50 ◼   ► moving on and saying well that's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51 ◼   ► I'm never going to look at that product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52 ◼   ► again I don't care if there's obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:53 ◼   ► areas where it can be enhanced you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55 ◼   ► and it'll never get any better maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► I'll just do bug fixes and moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58 ◼   ► because it's the only way I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59 ◼   ► Oh another random point from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:04 ◼   ► interwebs Adam Hyland tweeted that both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► me and Mark a lot of people addressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10 ◼   ► both of us in a group on this topic are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12 ◼   ► missing the main distinction between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► iOS and the Mac App Store's volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16 ◼   ► growth in the platform and I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17 ◼   ► back to him that I thought I understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18 ◼   ► what he was getting at but then he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19 ◼   ► another tweet that made me think that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21 ◼   ► were talking about different things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► I'm still not sure exactly what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:23 ◼   ► talking about but here's what I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:24 ◼   ► from that tweet uh and it's true that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► didn't talk about it when the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29 ◼   ► is growing rapidly new customers can far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:32 ◼   ► outweigh upgrading customers so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34 ◼   ► example on iOS who cares if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37 ◼   ► customers you sold version one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39 ◼   ► product if you can't get any more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:40 ◼   ► from them just release a new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► your product that all the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44 ◼   ► pressures get for free that's a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46 ◼   ► you know awesome rewrite because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:50 ◼   ► amount of new people you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51 ◼   ► sell to is so much bigger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53 ◼   ► amount of people use because it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54 ◼   ► hockey stick type growth graph so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55 ◼   ► don't care if I don't get any money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► any existing customers my new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59 ◼   ► are where it's at is there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:00 ◼   ► more of them and if your platform is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02 ◼   ► growing with a hockey step hockey stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04 ◼   ► type growth curve that works out fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06 ◼   ► but the Mac platform even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09 ◼   ► growing and it's growing faster than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► rest of the PC market is not a hockey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11 ◼   ► stick quite yet and so now existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:15 ◼   ► customers are a much more significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:16 ◼   ► portion of your customer base there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19 ◼   ► aren't 10 times as many new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21 ◼   ► ready and ready and waiting out there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23 ◼   ► buy your product maybe it's only like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:27 ◼   ► percent more or 100 percent more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28 ◼   ► customers but not a thousand or ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31 ◼   ► thousand and so you have to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33 ◼   ► like look I would really like to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► some incremental revenue for this six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► months or years worth of work I did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38 ◼   ► this application from the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40 ◼   ► already bought version 1 because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42 ◼   ► delivering lots of value in if I give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to them for free I'm how do i recoup my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:46 ◼   ► costs are there enough new users to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49 ◼   ► my money back and I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► important distinction and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► it's lost on Apple but it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55 ◼   ► it's kind of the reason you don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► iOS devs complaining quite as much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58 ◼   ► this because on iOS especially in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1978">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► beginning this really was true so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01 ◼   ► if you can't make money off the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:02 ◼   ► who already bought your app so many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04 ◼   ► people buy iPhones every year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► scrolling like crazy that the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► customers are just lost in the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► whereas in the Mac platform it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► more mature and not growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:13 ◼   ► fast at least so far and the Mac devs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16 ◼   ► are much harder hit by this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18 ◼   ► phenomenon and that's kind of why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:19 ◼   ► think you see them complaining about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► more than the iOS devs at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the Iowa steps complained like in theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24 ◼   ► but in practice it like once they saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that okay well like the new customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31 ◼   ► are dominating anyway so I guess I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32 ◼   ► just continue to go along and it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► okay on Marco show this week he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:38 ◼   ► mentioned something that I meant to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40 ◼   ► to in my discussion which is the Joel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Spolsky strategy letter five Roman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► numeral five from way back when he talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50 ◼   ► about commoditizing your compliments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:51 ◼   ► which i think is not a concept that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:52 ◼   ► came up with but in typical Joel fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:55 ◼   ► he's just explaining something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► economics or whatever or is a past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:01 ◼   ► experience and sending it out to a wider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03 ◼   ► audience and Marco talked about this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► his show and I think it's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07 ◼   ► about one of the things that Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09 ◼   ► be trying to do I grabbed a few passages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11 ◼   ► from it so I can read it here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13 ◼   ► Marco mentioned it but for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► haven't read this article this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18 ◼   ► monetizing your confluence is about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21 ◼   ► first a compliment is a product that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23 ◼   ► quoting from Joel's thing here a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► compliment is a product that you usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26 ◼   ► buy together with another product gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and cars or complements computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► hardware as a classic complement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31 ◼   ► computer operating system babysitter's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33 ◼   ► are a complement of a dinner at fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► restaurant that's typical Joel humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37 ◼   ► there so that's what a compliment is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40 ◼   ► he says demand for a product increases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42 ◼   ► when the prices of prices of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:43 ◼   ► complements decrease for example flights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:46 ◼   ► to Miami become cheaper demand for hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47 ◼   ► rooms in Miami goes up because more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► people are flying to Miami in need of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► room so in general a company's strategic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54 ◼   ► interest is going to be to get the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► of their compliments as low as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► at the lowest theoretical sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:01 ◼   ► price would be commodity price the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03 ◼   ► arises when you have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:04 ◼   ► competitors offering indistinguishable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05 ◼   ► goods so smart companies tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07 ◼   ► commoditize their products complements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09 ◼   ► right so if you look at Apple's stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12 ◼   ► on software with that view and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14 ◼   ► realize by just somebody looking Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16 ◼   ► balance sheet that they make their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17 ◼   ► selling hardware the obvious compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19 ◼   ► to hardware is software and according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21 ◼   ► this theory it's an apples best interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► to commoditize software to make it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► low cost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:26 ◼   ► but because the MOR software its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:30 ◼   ► customers can afford to buy and the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32 ◼   ► software that's available the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33 ◼   ► useful its hardware becomes so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36 ◼   ► don't want every software product cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38 ◼   ► hundreds of dollars because it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39 ◼   ► their hardware much less useful they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41 ◼   ► would like their complement software to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:42 ◼   ► be a commodity super cheap really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44 ◼   ► to buy because the cheaper software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the more useful their hardware products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51 ◼   ► are and therefore like the bigger profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► margins they can get on their hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53 ◼   ► or the more demand that will be for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55 ◼   ► hardware because had to run the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:56 ◼   ► you need this piece of hardware so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:57 ◼   ► want to make the big fat profit margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59 ◼   ► and they want once you get this piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► hardware their customers to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03 ◼   ► get all the compliments this hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05 ◼   ► really cheaply right the same way convoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07 ◼   ► manufacturers was gas was like two cents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► a gallon because that would make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10 ◼   ► sell a hell of a lot more cars right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11 ◼   ► if the complement to cars was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:14 ◼   ► like car insurance or gas was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16 ◼   ► duper cheap they can sell a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17 ◼   ► cars this is the basic economics right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:20 ◼   ► now the the part that joel says at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23 ◼   ► end here is that the idea you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25 ◼   ► you want the pricier accomplice to go as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► low as possible to become a commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29 ◼   ► price and his definition of a commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31 ◼   ► price is when you have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34 ◼   ► competitors offering indistinguishable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:35 ◼   ► goods like you know oranges or commodity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37 ◼   ► or the because what's the difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39 ◼   ► one orange and other aren't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:40 ◼   ► something you're not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► artisanal hand massage hippie grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44 ◼   ► oranges like for the most part you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► it's a commodity right there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48 ◼   ► that you're not distinguishing based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50 ◼   ► and when i read this i think okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53 ◼   ► this can monetize in your competence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► thing as an explanation of why apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57 ◼   ► wants to drive down software prices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58 ◼   ► all this business huh my question is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► this really how Apple sees third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02 ◼   ► developers can software ever be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04 ◼   ► commodity because software is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06 ◼   ► oranges it's not like oranges at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08 ◼   ► that they're the goods are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10 ◼   ► indistinguishable in fact I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12 ◼   ► the the range and variability of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14 ◼   ► software quality you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16 ◼   ► application compare the other is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:17 ◼   ► tremendous it's bigger than perhaps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18 ◼   ► any other endeavor like it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► larger than the difference between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:21 ◼   ► best television you can buy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► worst television you can buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:24 ◼   ► difference between the worst app on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2244">TS</a>]

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00:37:27 ◼   ► Store is tremendous like orders of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2247">TS</a>]

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00:37:32 ◼   ► commodity so I don't think you can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:33 ◼   ► get it down to commodity pricing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:36 ◼   ► danger of driving the price of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37 ◼   ► down to get more people to buy apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40 ◼   ► so they can derive more value from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41 ◼   ► hardware there's lots of dangers in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2261">TS</a>]

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00:37:46 ◼   ► price down to the point where your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47 ◼   ► developers either don't survive or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49 ◼   ► least don't thrive like because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51 ◼   ► taking away all their profits by trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► to drive the prices down then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55 ◼   ► lowering the average quality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► applications available on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► and that's bad for you is a hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00 ◼   ► vendor you want like Apple Rewards like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► with the Apple Design Awards and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04 ◼   ► up they're trying to say they highlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► their best apps they've you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07 ◼   ► show like buy our hardware you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09 ◼   ► all these awesome applications well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the people who make the awesomest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► awesome applications can't make enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► money to keep making applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17 ◼   ► awesome and they have to like turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:18 ◼   ► things down and try to make them not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► quite as good or make them not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21 ◼   ► have as many features or what that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22 ◼   ► for Apple I don't think you can ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► software is not gasoline it's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► know it may be the complement to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28 ◼   ► hardware but it's not you can never get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30 ◼   ► it down to commodity pricing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32 ◼   ► it's really dangerous to even attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► get it down to like like there's a line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38 ◼   ► you can't just keep pushing the price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► that down through competition and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41 ◼   ► and so forth because Apple is trying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44 ◼   ► think with Apple that's efforts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► highlight the best software products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► that's Apple's effort to highlight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49 ◼   ► good and to give the best competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51 ◼   ► ability the best software makers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53 ◼   ► ability to make money but the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55 ◼   ► of those coin is all the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56 ◼   ► they seem to be doing to push prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► down and make it more difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59 ◼   ► software vendors to be to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01 ◼   ► sustain their businesses without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03 ◼   ► altering the way they do things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05 ◼   ► reduce quality or reduce feature set or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07 ◼   ► both and as I said last show even if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:13 ◼   ► developers can survive and learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► thrive the long-term effect may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17 ◼   ► complex feature-rich applications start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19 ◼   ► to dwindle replace kind of with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21 ◼   ► single serving applications like wimpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23 ◼   ► little apps because the developer said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25 ◼   ► well there's no money in continuing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27 ◼   ► iterate on this application to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28 ◼   ► version 2 much better and add these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► features because we can't get we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31 ◼   ► have a good way to make new revenue yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33 ◼   ► so let's just start a new application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► there's something entirely different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:35 ◼   ► you end up with this long trail of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► of applications that were made in a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39 ◼   ► or two and sold for awhile and a bug fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41 ◼   ► a little bit but never really got any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43 ◼   ► better and then you got to move on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44 ◼   ► the next one because you can't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:45 ◼   ► money off the long term commitment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that app Marco tweeted today about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:51 ◼   ► in a series of tweets and I highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53 ◼   ► one of them here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► I think he was responding to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55 ◼   ► else's said it's not a race to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56 ◼   ► bottom talking about the prices you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58 ◼   ► like how everyone's price is going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00 ◼   ► down down it's a shift towards simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02 ◼   ► apps a la carte so instead of having one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04 ◼   ► big honkin complicated application has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06 ◼   ► continually revised which again Elijah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08 ◼   ► we talked about how Apple may be trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:09 ◼   ► to discourage the idea of companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11 ◼   ► building built around a single app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13 ◼   ► an app to just get bigger and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:14 ◼   ► feature-rich as time goes on Marco says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17 ◼   ► is to shift toward simpler apps on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:18 ◼   ► Alucard idea I think is that you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21 ◼   ► multiple smaller apps instead of buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23 ◼   ► one thing Hawking app that keeps getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25 ◼   ► revised in the UK do keep upgrading that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28 ◼   ► that's another way of saying the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► thing but I my position is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31 ◼   ► complicated apps is a place for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33 ◼   ► shift old simpler is good but especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35 ◼   ► on a platform like iOS where if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38 ◼   ► a bunch of small applications getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:39 ◼   ► them to interoperate and communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► with each other is not particularly easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42 ◼   ► not easy to get things to share data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44 ◼   ► this is a longtime complaint about iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47 ◼   ► presumably iOS 6 will address this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► some way uh it's not like UNIX where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52 ◼   ► have a bunch of single simple single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53 ◼   ► purpose tools that all work together I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:58 ◼   ► because it's very difficult to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00 ◼   ► individual applications work together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:01 ◼   ► because their sandbox that I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02 ◼   ► a good way to share data there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► shared location for documents right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06 ◼   ► if that's apple's plan they're executing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07 ◼   ► it poorly they are getting simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► single serving apps they're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12 ◼   ► the benefits of them working together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:19 ◼   ► god this goes on forever I have more do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► you want to do a sponsor before I go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23 ◼   ► done with this yeah you know we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25 ◼   ► should it's about that time forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:28 ◼   ► minutes in we'll do our 20 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30 ◼   ► sponsor break now harvest painless time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:35 ◼   ► tracking talked about these guys before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► they're back and they're they're just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39 ◼   ► awesome we use these guys too for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42 ◼   ► our time tracking stuff and they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45 ◼   ► are great and the main thing the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46 ◼   ► word I've been emphasizing when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48 ◼   ► think of these guys is painless they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:52 ◼   ► make time tracking painless because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53 ◼   ► nobody likes to do it nobody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56 ◼   ► track their time but you want to be fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58 ◼   ► about it whether you're an employer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:01 ◼   ► has people reporting time for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03 ◼   ► whether you're an employee or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► who has too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► bill they're clients this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09 ◼   ► solution for doing those things and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12 ◼   ► a given example and this the angle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15 ◼   ► haven't really talked about that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:16 ◼   ► but I have people who work for me when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18 ◼   ► want to track their time I give them an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21 ◼   ► account on my harvest setup they go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23 ◼   ► they track their time I create a project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25 ◼   ► I create the billable hours I can keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27 ◼   ► track of everything and then I know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► any given time exactly what the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► have been working on how much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34 ◼   ► they've spent on it and how much that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35 ◼   ► going to cost me and from their side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:38 ◼   ► they know what they're billing for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40 ◼   ► there are tons of great apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42 ◼   ► harvest has made to make this even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44 ◼   ► easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45 ◼   ► there's the iPhone app you put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:46 ◼   ► your iPhone you can track time right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48 ◼   ► there all connects to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► Android app for that too sure of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51 ◼   ► they have their main interface has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53 ◼   ► always been via the web now they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:54 ◼   ► a new native Mac App harvest format I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:58 ◼   ► told you about this before but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00 ◼   ► really smart you start working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:01 ◼   ► something you get interrupted you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► to take a phone call you go downstairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04 ◼   ► to lunch whatever it is and you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06 ◼   ► oh I left that thing running I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09 ◼   ► build for that thirty minutes while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:10 ◼   ► was gone the apps smart it knows you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12 ◼   ► been idle same with your eye chat client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► knows you've been idle and subtract that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16 ◼   ► time and not wrongfully bill it to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18 ◼   ► customer tons of great stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2598">TS</a>]

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00:43:58 ◼   ► left this one for last this big feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2638">TS</a>]

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00:44:07 ◼   ► see it Apple is trying to reshape the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2647">TS</a>]

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00:44:11 ◼   ► I think this is a PC guy because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► what they call and indie developers over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14 ◼   ► on the PC side independent software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16 ◼   ► vendor reshaping the is V slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2656">TS</a>]

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00:44:24 ◼   ► very good for customers it leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2664">TS</a>]

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00:44:27 ◼   ► are slow to change slow to evolve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2667">TS</a>]

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00:44:35 ◼   ► curate large decades-old software like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2675">TS</a>]

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00:44:40 ◼   ► true uh I'm not quite sure I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2680">TS</a>]

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00:44:51 ◼   ► individuals they're slow to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53 ◼   ► slow to adapt to changes in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► outclassed by smaller more nimble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55 ◼   ► projects like GarageBand I life--and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57 ◼   ► Pixelmator they're older than things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00 ◼   ► like GarageBand iLife and Pixelmator but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03 ◼   ► when I think about something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:04 ◼   ► Photoshop in particular here it's old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:09 ◼   ► because it's been around forever but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► one point I was like I don't know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2711">TS</a>]

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00:45:15 ◼   ► application but compared Photoshop 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to Photoshop cs6 like you the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21 ◼   ► they both are called Photoshop and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23 ◼   ► might see some common tools in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:24 ◼   ► palette it's the only thing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:25 ◼   ► joining those things together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27 ◼   ► they're worlds apart I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30 ◼   ► the idea that like Photoshop can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the 1.0 and they just have to bribe free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36 ◼   ► upgrades that for that forever or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:37 ◼   ► have to produce Photoshop 2.0 and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39 ◼   ► people buy it as a separate product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41 ◼   ► deal with the confusion that's entailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with having both those things available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44 ◼   ► at the same time and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46 ◼   ► if you can't build a company around like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49 ◼   ► building up expertise getting the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► image processing software developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53 ◼   ► that you can hire and building a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:56 ◼   ► around making an awesome image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57 ◼   ► application and providing paid upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00 ◼   ► to it that's what makes you get from 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► to cs6 I don't know if you can get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03 ◼   ► one point over to CSX if every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► want to add to add a major feature like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07 ◼   ► oh I don't know adding layers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:08 ◼   ► Photoshop 3 or something or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09 ◼   ► version that came out and do you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12 ◼   ► say ok well we're just going to put an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15 ◼   ► additional product up called Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16 ◼   ► three but Photoshop 2 is available when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19 ◼   ► you search for Photoshop on the shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20 ◼   ► store we hope that Apple will sort them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22 ◼   ► correctly and we hope you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:23 ◼   ► accidentally buy Photoshop 2 and then be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► upset and demand a refund because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27 ◼   ► have to pay for the 30% on the refunds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29 ◼   ► and you know it's it's kind of a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31 ◼   ► there and it I like the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34 ◼   ► software products evolving over years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36 ◼   ► and years and decades and decades and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2796">TS</a>]

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00:46:39 ◼   ► company making them to to specialize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42 ◼   ► to hire the best kind of developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that kind of application I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► you arrive at cs6 you know just by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:49 ◼   ► company other than Adobe saying we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2809">TS</a>]

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00:46:53 ◼   ► Photoshop we're going to make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2813">TS</a>]

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00:47:00 ◼   ► owes a lot to Photoshop didn't come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2820">TS</a>]

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00:47:14 ◼   ► before the Mac App Store existed well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15 ◼   ► now the Mac App Store exists to buy our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17 ◼   ► version but Ken Pixelmator continued to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► rev its application so that Pixelmator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:23 ◼   ► you know 10 20 years from now is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:26 ◼   ► Pixelmator 1.0 as photoshop 1.0 is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► Photoshop cs6 I don't know if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31 ◼   ► sustain that kind of development and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33 ◼   ► don't think the kind of development is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2853">TS</a>]

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00:47:43 ◼   ► dark years where it was hadn't gone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2863">TS</a>]

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00:47:55 ◼   ► know if there are any slower to evolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2875">TS</a>]

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00:47:58 ◼   ► Photoshop CS if you look at any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:01 ◼   ► application that same time span do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03 ◼   ► see a similar amount of improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05 ◼   ► there because maybe people will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08 ◼   ► well Photoshop was so hideous that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► that's why we like it so much better now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12 ◼   ► that it was so slow and had so many bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14 ◼   ► and it was all gross and now they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:15 ◼   ► gotten rid of those and were just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► happy that it's better but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19 ◼   ► type of change is funded by the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► to get upgrade fees from people many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:25 ◼   ► people in chat room are saying that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26 ◼   ► totally possible for a Pixelmator to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28 ◼   ► follow the same path and do it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30 ◼   ► better but they're just a younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32 ◼   ► company it's like I mean my life is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34 ◼   ► good example I let the current version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36 ◼   ► of my life compared to the first version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► of my life there's a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38 ◼   ► difference then obviously Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39 ◼   ► subsidizing AI life with its hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► sales and giving it away for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43 ◼   ► they don't have upgrade pricing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► want the new version of my life you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45 ◼   ► it outright so that I think is a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:48 ◼   ► example but if they were an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50 ◼   ► software company and had they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► develop iLife and sell it on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► they could not sell it for the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54 ◼   ► they sell like it's subsidized it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:55 ◼   ► subsidized software so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57 ◼   ► it's fair to compare AI life to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► something like Photoshop or word and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00 ◼   ► see Apple can go but apples got massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► profits from its hardware to dump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05 ◼   ► AI life and GarageBand all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► stuff that's out there so he continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:10 ◼   ► instead of coming up with new apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► are focused and streamlined when a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13 ◼   ► use case for rents itself these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:14 ◼   ► developers and many others find a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► cram features into their flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:17 ◼   ► flagship prop this is bad for consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18 ◼   ► because it keeps prices artificially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20 ◼   ► high and software bloated enough using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22 ◼   ► many people wanted me to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24 ◼   ► iTunes but you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25 ◼   ► cramming features into a flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27 ◼   ► product instead of making a new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29 ◼   ► iTunes would be a great example there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:30 ◼   ► and that's free for everybody and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31 ◼   ► cost any money so I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:35 ◼   ► practice is solved by a new business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► model people do that because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39 ◼   ► something that they like to do and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40 ◼   ► upsets us but it happens even in free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► software that has nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44 ◼   ► upgrade pricing or anything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46 ◼   ► iTunes is the best example of that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48 ◼   ► again this is a real phenomenon a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:49 ◼   ► applications I mean use the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► like adding every possible button to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:52 ◼   ► word toolbar making word this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54 ◼   ► monster application every year you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:55 ◼   ► to think of something else to add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► word and then you come up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:57 ◼   ► ribbon you like o has rearranged all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► buttons and make it totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:00 ◼   ► then revise it but it becomes like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02 ◼   ► treadmill where this is your cash cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04 ◼   ► and you have to find some way to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:05 ◼   ► new version that is the anti-pattern of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08 ◼   ► long term software but I think getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► is saying therefore we have to get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13 ◼   ► of that model is throwing out the debut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15 ◼   ► of the bathwater probably not the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17 ◼   ► idea see what else we've got here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:21 ◼   ► Photoshop 1.0 released in 1994 Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24 ◼   ► exclusively there you go so andrew says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:28 ◼   ► I find it likely the Apple knows exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30 ◼   ► what they're doing they're telling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:31 ◼   ► Adobe's Microsoft's and digit designs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33 ◼   ► the world that things are different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:34 ◼   ► price your apps so regular people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35 ◼   ► buy them and make them more focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► coherent or go elsewhere I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:38 ◼   ► a great thing I've never even considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40 ◼   ► purchasing Photoshop due to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:41 ◼   ► obviously over to the top price but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43 ◼   ► gladly purchase Pixelmator I'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45 ◼   ► buy Pro Tools but I love GarageBand I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► never buy microsoft office but I own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:48 ◼   ► Pages and Numbers if you don't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51 ◼   ► big powerful application and you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► by with a lesser one and of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:54 ◼   ► like lower pricing but doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56 ◼   ► people don't have you told everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57 ◼   ► using Photoshop now that Photoshop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:01 ◼   ► gone and for now on you have to use some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► alternative that's half the price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► which there are many not these are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06 ◼   ► applications but this kind of a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that Photoshop has most of the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10 ◼   ► in it that it has and if you told all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11 ◼   ► the people in the world using Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13 ◼   ► right now they have to use Pixelmator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► many of them would have extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15 ◼   ► difficulty getting their jobs done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17 ◼   ► not just because they don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18 ◼   ► about exclamative works it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:19 ◼   ► have all the features of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21 ◼   ► if Pixelmator had all the features of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23 ◼   ► Photoshop I don't think it would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24 ◼   ► could be the same price things you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27 ◼   ► many many more developers even if one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the features is runs on a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31 ◼   ► rather than Mac OS 10 you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:34 ◼   ► don't think that's an apples to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36 ◼   ► comparison i i think the Pixelmator and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39 ◼   ► applications like acorn and stuff are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40 ◼   ► filling a role that wasn't filled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42 ◼   ► Photoshop it was never arguably filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44 ◼   ► by Photoshop which is an application for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:45 ◼   ► someone who's not a professional graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:46 ◼   ► designer who just wants to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:47 ◼   ► graphic stuff and that's a good role for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that but it doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► applications like Photoshop have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52 ◼   ► longer have a purpose in this new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:53 ◼   ► and therefore we don't care what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55 ◼   ► to them they could just go away for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56 ◼   ► we care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57 ◼   ► and Pixelmator is the new way to go it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59 ◼   ► just a different type of application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01 ◼   ► it's not it's not they're not failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the same role for the same people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:08 ◼   ► pricing issues aside oh actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:11 ◼   ► should finish up his thing was he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12 ◼   ► conclusion here he says the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:16 ◼   ► need to stop thinking about what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17 ◼   ► quickly net them the most sales and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► start thinking about what will best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:19 ◼   ► serve customers the sales will follow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21 ◼   ► think the Apple success has proven that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:22 ◼   ► I don't think their developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:25 ◼   ► trying to net a quick profit they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26 ◼   ► trying to do that it'd be a totally on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28 ◼   ► board with making a single serving act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29 ◼   ► that six months it develops you cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31 ◼   ► Anna and you move on to the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32 ◼   ► you just abandon it it's maybe it'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► bug fix upgrades that's it it'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36 ◼   ► get significantly better that's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► opposite of what you know that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► if they just wanted to get a quick buck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► they'd be all on board with that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:44 ◼   ► they don't want to do that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46 ◼   ► make version one of their app and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47 ◼   ► see the obvious features that need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49 ◼   ► added for version two and accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► feedback from people who never make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51 ◼   ► awesome version too and they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:52 ◼   ► spend like a year or six months making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54 ◼   ► an awesome version too at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► that they don't want to have to rely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57 ◼   ► hockey stick growth of the platform to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59 ◼   ► give them any money they want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:00 ◼   ► to get they don't I should the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► get that version for free this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05 ◼   ► something that lots of people I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07 ◼   ► who aren't nerds or developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► like they think it's the same product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► they think well I bought this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14 ◼   ► and now people should toil endlessly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16 ◼   ► their full-time job to improve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19 ◼   ► product for me forever for free that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense that doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22 ◼   ► it like when I buy a 2002 Honda Civic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25 ◼   ► don't get the 2003 Honda Civic for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► I don't get to bring my Civic in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28 ◼   ► have them retrofit it and upgrade it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31 ◼   ► it yeah all but I just bought a 2002 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► Civic another 2003 s came out can I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the 2003 Civic you don't you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36 ◼   ► entitled to free updates forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38 ◼   ► doesn't matter that it's not a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39 ◼   ► product someone is working full-time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42 ◼   ► their job to make new versions of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► product how can they work that way if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47 ◼   ► they can't get any money like you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► entitled to their future work forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51 ◼   ► just because it all is under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52 ◼   ► umbrella of a particular name alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54 ◼   ► and I think many people think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:58 ◼   ► way it is with applications where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59 ◼   ► buy an app on your iPhone and you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01 ◼   ► little icon on there and you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03 ◼   ► entitled to the future work of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05 ◼   ► people working on anything that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07 ◼   ► that icon for the rest of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that's just not how it works right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:14 ◼   ► not a sustainable business model so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16 ◼   ► unless you're going with the Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17 ◼   ► thing where things ahead support it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:18 ◼   ► whatever so pricing aside even ignoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21 ◼   ► the pricing thing of how to get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:22 ◼   ► money for those people you still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► the confusion issue where if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26 ◼   ► put up a new version you can you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:27 ◼   ► multiple versions in the store you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► the danger of people finding the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31 ◼   ► version or you have to rely on an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► sorting or them being smart and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34 ◼   ► they get refunds you're out the 30% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:35 ◼   ► which you don't get back ah but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38 ◼   ► only have one version on the store you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► yank the old version and you can provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41 ◼   ► bug fixes and there's many possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44 ◼   ► solutions to this many people wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:45 ◼   ► like oh all Apple needs to do is X and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47 ◼   ► all Apple needs to do is Y and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► won't be confusion and they won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► any problems and if they buy the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:51 ◼   ► one this won't help yes there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53 ◼   ► many things Apple to do to fix its many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55 ◼   ► obvious simple things they can do anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57 ◼   ► can come up with a simple scheme whereby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:58 ◼   ► all these problems are eliminated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00 ◼   ► Apple hasn't done any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and the problem for developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04 ◼   ► consumers I think is we don't know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05 ◼   ► one of those things Apple is likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► do so you can't say okay we have to plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08 ◼   ► a future development do we make version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► 2 of this product and spend an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3309">TS</a>]

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00:55:17 ◼   ► we make version 2 and put it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► store knowing full well that version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20 ◼   ► could be there alongside it do we yank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22 ◼   ► version 1 do we assume apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23 ◼   ► to provide some way to help us which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25 ◼   ► ways will they provide will they let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3325">TS</a>]

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00:55:36 ◼   ► work on version 2 of this product we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38 ◼   ► going to make a brand new product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:39 ◼   ► no one has bought yet that everyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► buys will get money from and we'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43 ◼   ► put that other product in maintenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45 ◼   ► mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3345">TS</a>]

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00:55:48 ◼   ► is turning this business into but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50 ◼   ► intentionally or not and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52 ◼   ► a bad a bad shape I like developers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:55 ◼   ► provide major upgrades to versions of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57 ◼   ► applications because many applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58 ◼   ► buy and I say boy this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3358">TS</a>]

00:55:59 ◼   ► version 1 version 2 will be even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3359">TS</a>]

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00:56:04 ◼   ► a version 2 and I'm willing to pay some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06 ◼   ► additional money for that version - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08 ◼   ► don't feel entitled to it because I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09 ◼   ► a version 1 so uncertainty about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:13 ◼   ► Apple will do here is is bad uncertainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16 ◼   ► in most markets is bad one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► suggestions people come up with was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3378">TS</a>]

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00:56:22 ◼   ► piece of software and quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23 ◼   ► owning it even though you have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24 ◼   ► license to use it or whatever how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26 ◼   ► doing a subscription thing where you pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:30 ◼   ► some fee over some period of time a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33 ◼   ► monthly fee a weekly fee a yearly fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3393">TS</a>]

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00:56:36 ◼   ► the cost of buying the thing out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and it doesn't that fun future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40 ◼   ► developments then you could be like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41 ◼   ► the train of like as long as I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:42 ◼   ► paying as paying a subscription free I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44 ◼   ► get it every new version of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46 ◼   ► that comes out or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47 ◼   ► Microsoft tried doing this I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3407">TS</a>]

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00:56:54 ◼   ► to buy it it'll be a subscription and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3414">TS</a>]

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00:56:59 ◼   ► it really easy to convince the guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:00 ◼   ► charge of enterprise purchasing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02 ◼   ► pass this fee every year and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06 ◼   ► access to and they give you this huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07 ◼   ► laundry list of like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► Microsoft makes and all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10 ◼   ► development tools and all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11 ◼   ► software and our SuperDuper fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13 ◼   ► version of office and unlimited seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:16 ◼   ► license - Windows NT blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18 ◼   ► you know those are really easy to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20 ◼   ► to enterprises because they they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22 ◼   ► they're getting a big deal when in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► reality the people in their company use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25 ◼   ► like two applications and three features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► and those two applications I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:28 ◼   ► been cheaper just buying individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29 ◼   ► seats for them but anyway that's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► into the enterprise issue uh but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► apps with the purchase price that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36 ◼   ► low like already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:37 ◼   ► both stores the purchase prices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39 ◼   ► really slow subscriptions don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41 ◼   ► make much sense for an individual user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43 ◼   ► some companies have them now like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46 ◼   ► believe you can rent or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48 ◼   ► want to call it Adobe Photoshop for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:49 ◼   ► example Adobe will sell you you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51 ◼   ► don't buy Photoshop outright just pay us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53 ◼   ► some fee of a certain period of time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55 ◼   ► long as you keep paying that fee you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57 ◼   ► use a thing then when you stop paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58 ◼   ► you don't get to use it anymore but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00 ◼   ► think if you if you plan to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:03 ◼   ► Photoshop like as long as it's useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:04 ◼   ► like if you buy Photoshop cs6 how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07 ◼   ► do you think that application would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:08 ◼   ► useful like how long will be until max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10 ◼   ► can't even run that anymore or the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11 ◼   ► that you're running it on like falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12 ◼   ► apart or breaks and you can't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14 ◼   ► fixed like the useful light time a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16 ◼   ► version of Photoshop is pretty darn long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18 ◼   ► certainly you just keep using until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20 ◼   ► hardware runs on breaks like you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:21 ◼   ► about those guys for the Mac SES or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23 ◼   ► whatever running HyperCard in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24 ◼   ► office and you know some desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27 ◼   ► publishing place and if it still works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28 ◼   ► you know it still works like so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30 ◼   ► just use it on the original hardware as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31 ◼   ► it was for a long time as a tool but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34 ◼   ► even if you keep upgrading your hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:35 ◼   ► that software has a very long useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37 ◼   ► lifetime like right up until I upgraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39 ◼   ► to Lion I was using a copy of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41 ◼   ► CS because that's the last one I had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it was PowerPC but then I used that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3523">TS</a>]

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00:58:48 ◼   ► Photoshop CS and you know until oh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50 ◼   ► you know time moves on I could have kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:51 ◼   ► my PowerPC Mac out and continued to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53 ◼   ► Photoshop CS but now I can no longer use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55 ◼   ► it because Rosetta is gone and what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57 ◼   ► bummer right but I get 10 years of use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:58 ◼   ► out of that well if I had been paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► Adobe subscription rates it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02 ◼   ► been very foolish for me to play those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:03 ◼   ► subscription rates for ten years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:04 ◼   ► would be much cheaper to buy it upfront [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05 ◼   ► so unless you plan on using Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08 ◼   ► for only a year and then never using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3548">TS</a>]

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00:59:12 ◼   ► sense at that kind of pricing and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3552">TS</a>]

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00:59:17 ◼   ► is the subscription fee for a $0.99 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19 ◼   ► even a five-dollar app well you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3559">TS</a>]

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00:59:23 ◼   ► cents a month you know for five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26 ◼   ► like it just it's kind of silly even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28 ◼   ► a twenty dollar app it's I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29 ◼   ► just buy the app so I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31 ◼   ► subscriptions as a way to go I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:32 ◼   ► people do like buying things and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3572">TS</a>]

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00:59:38 ◼   ► where this content where you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:39 ◼   ► really buying an application you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:40 ◼   ► buying the content and the content is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3580">TS</a>]

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00:59:44 ◼   ► of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3584">TS</a>]

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00:59:57 ◼   ► pressure max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57 ◼   ► pressure max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3597">TS</a>]

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01:00:07 ◼   ► one thing that Marco and Syracuse's seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3607">TS</a>]

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01:00:19 ◼   ► software and then paying upgrades has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21 ◼   ► long been an object of scorn for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22 ◼   ► people not involved in software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:23 ◼   ► development it has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25 ◼   ► effectively a subscription model and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:26 ◼   ► worst kind you pay for software and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28 ◼   ► some unknown time down the road you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30 ◼   ► be effectively forced to pay for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:31 ◼   ► again albeit at a discount if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33 ◼   ► pay for the upgrade your software will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34 ◼   ► be held hostage because you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36 ◼   ► very soon your software will be obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:37 ◼   ► and useless if you do pay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39 ◼   ► upgrade regardless of the actual costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:40 ◼   ► and dollars as a negative experience in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:41 ◼   ► terms of wasted time hassle etc this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:45 ◼   ► like the opposite of what I just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:46 ◼   ► like this the reality this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48 ◼   ► describing is the opposite what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49 ◼   ► describing I think is a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51 ◼   ► if people can't get money from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53 ◼   ► upgrades then they will abandon you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55 ◼   ► your software will become useless but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57 ◼   ► the old model your software does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:58 ◼   ► become useless first of all you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00 ◼   ► have to upgrade because the old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02 ◼   ► of your software should continue to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:03 ◼   ► bug fixed and you know it and kept up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05 ◼   ► date for a reasonable period of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:06 ◼   ► why can develop our forward to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08 ◼   ► because they're making their money by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:09 ◼   ► selling upgrade fees to the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11 ◼   ► so they can afford to give you minor bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13 ◼   ► fixed version to keep your old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:14 ◼   ► running second they don't owe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► anything after you buy it like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18 ◼   ► than bug fixes on the hardware that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20 ◼   ► running on don't upgrade your Mac keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that version of the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24 ◼   ► that version of your hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26 ◼   ► version of the software will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:27 ◼   ► work until it breaks and you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29 ◼   ► parts to fix it right again with the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31 ◼   ► thing when I get a new car and they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:32 ◼   ► up with a new version of a car that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34 ◼   ► like variable valve timing and lift I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35 ◼   ► don't get that for free I don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37 ◼   ► backup grade or mic you know I use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39 ◼   ► car my car still drives in New York it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41 ◼   ► still it's not as good as the new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:42 ◼   ► but I don't get the new version for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44 ◼   ► and they had no responsibility to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45 ◼   ► me going on that train your stuff works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47 ◼   ► the way it is you know when you pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:48 ◼   ► it you're not paying for all future work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50 ◼   ► or even any future work from that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:51 ◼   ► in fact it could be argued in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53 ◼   ► days before the internet you didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55 ◼   ► get bug fixes or you bought it once it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57 ◼   ► came up floppy just you put on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:58 ◼   ► computer that's what you've got if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3718">TS</a>]

01:01:59 ◼   ► ever get anything else from a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:00 ◼   ► without having to pay for it again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02 ◼   ► was like a miracle not that I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04 ◼   ► that's the best model but if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06 ◼   ► software that works you shouldn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► like you you don't need to upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11 ◼   ► you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:11 ◼   ► owed upgrades but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13 ◼   ► the model of people being able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15 ◼   ► incremental revenue for upgrades funds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:18 ◼   ► their ability to keep you supported for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20 ◼   ► a longer period of time and I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21 ◼   ► you take that away you will be abandoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23 ◼   ► much sooner your software will become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25 ◼   ► obsolete and useless much faster because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27 ◼   ► the developers simply can't afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29 ◼   ► support you for like I said Photoshop CS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32 ◼   ► I think I used for more than a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34 ◼   ► and the only reason I can't use it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36 ◼   ► is because I upgraded the line if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38 ◼   ► still run Snow Leopard I could still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:39 ◼   ► that piece of software a decade worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41 ◼   ► use out of whatever was a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43 ◼   ► dollars and remember how much it cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45 ◼   ► back in 1990 something right that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:49 ◼   ► long useful life for a piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50 ◼   ► and I don't think there are even any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:51 ◼   ► point updates to it just you know kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53 ◼   ► running that it doesn't become obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► in a second you're not held hostage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57 ◼   ► these are the things that will happen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59 ◼   ► think if developers can't make money off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01 ◼   ► upgrade revenue not the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03 ◼   ► happen now and that's it's such a warped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:04 ◼   ► view of the way software works now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06 ◼   ► maybe it feels that way to non-technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:07 ◼   ► people that you're forced some unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:10 ◼   ► time down the road to pay for it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12 ◼   ► why would you pay for it again you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14 ◼   ► already got it oh you want the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16 ◼   ► because it's better than what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17 ◼   ► now because they made this awesome new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19 ◼   ► thing and they worked for a year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:20 ◼   ► our entire team making this new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22 ◼   ► and you're forced to pay for it to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:23 ◼   ► that again well you're not forced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25 ◼   ► thing you have still works the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:26 ◼   ► did you know and if you don't pay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28 ◼   ► they offer your software will be held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:29 ◼   ► hostage and soon will be obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31 ◼   ► wasted they're gonna come at your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:32 ◼   ► and break your computer with a hammer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34 ◼   ► still works the way it did before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36 ◼   ► new version came out it still works fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38 ◼   ► that I'm breaking it I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:41 ◼   ► understand that mindset at all I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43 ◼   ► know if it's an entitlement mindset a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44 ◼   ► frustration with upgrades because he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46 ◼   ► true that upgrading is a hassle in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48 ◼   ► of you know I upgraded all my crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50 ◼   ► doesn't work and people get burned by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52 ◼   ► that but they still feel like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54 ◼   ► have the latest thing I gotta upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► like maybe that's the sickness the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57 ◼   ► that there's something new or out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59 ◼   ► and they're not they're not in on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01 ◼   ► yeah you got to have it like and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03 ◼   ► even if what they have like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04 ◼   ► saying works perfectly for them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06 ◼   ► their needs yeah they have it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08 ◼   ► working there's something new out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10 ◼   ► but just because it's new doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:13 ◼   ► it's better it's like it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:14 ◼   ► whatever the psychological sickness or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16 ◼   ► condition is where you like the the man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18 ◼   ► blames the woman for dressing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:20 ◼   ► dressing provocatively oh she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22 ◼   ► distracting me she's tempting me with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:23 ◼   ► this with her beauty and I can't resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:26 ◼   ► the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:26 ◼   ► new software I blame them but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28 ◼   ► you know it's not my fault for choosing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30 ◼   ► that deciding that I have to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:31 ◼   ► they made an awesome new version how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:34 ◼   ► I resist you know that the temptress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36 ◼   ► brings me over and a half I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38 ◼   ► upgrade you don't have to upgrade if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40 ◼   ► what you have works fine stick with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42 ◼   ► and you can't blame the developers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44 ◼   ► making this awesome tempting new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:47 ◼   ► so there's a second part of this one it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49 ◼   ► says here's a couple of alternatives is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52 ◼   ► use in-app purchase to unlock new new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54 ◼   ► features or some virtual currency like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:55 ◼   ► coins like many of the free iOS games to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57 ◼   ► choose from a range of features or break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59 ◼   ► the app up into smaller pieces and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:00 ◼   ► them as components that the customer can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02 ◼   ► pick and choose from based on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:04 ◼   ► knees all these are potentially better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:05 ◼   ► than the old school model or at least no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07 ◼   ► worse I can think of many reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:09 ◼   ► they would be worse never mind that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:10 ◼   ► of them aren't even possible because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:11 ◼   ► it'll be discussed if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13 ◼   ► unlock features that are already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15 ◼   ► the pictures have to already be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:16 ◼   ► and if you you know you have to after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19 ◼   ► three years of that what does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21 ◼   ► application look like does it have is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:22 ◼   ► three entirely different applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24 ◼   ► with different sets of features that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26 ◼   ► unlocked to produce what is effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28 ◼   ► the same as photoshop cs2 three and four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30 ◼   ► all within a single executable that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:32 ◼   ► debugging and support nightmare and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34 ◼   ► don't think that's a sustainable model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35 ◼   ► at all and sawing in individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37 ◼   ► components that work together again not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39 ◼   ► particularly easy on iOS or on Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41 ◼   ► with the new sandboxing rules and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43 ◼   ► model doesn't it's even more confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:46 ◼   ► for customers and software developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49 ◼   ► have shown that they're not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:50 ◼   ► good at implementing that like the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52 ◼   ► doc deco model where you mix and match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54 ◼   ► these components it's probably also a QA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56 ◼   ► nightmare so I hope look at max isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3956">TS</a>]

01:06:00 ◼   ► last name right but I disagree strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02 ◼   ► with his his view of what the what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05 ◼   ► existing software model is like I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:06 ◼   ► agree on the whole idea that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:09 ◼   ► lead to applications like Microsoft Word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3969">TS</a>]

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01:06:12 ◼   ► they're just iterating for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:13 ◼   ► iterating trying to make money that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15 ◼   ► something that needs to be addressed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:16 ◼   ► I don't think you get rid of it entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19 ◼   ► because it also leads you to the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3979">TS</a>]

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01:06:24 ◼   ► years and refined and been able to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:27 ◼   ► a BBEdit is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:28 ◼   ► you know BBEdit even though it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30 ◼   ► looks like a window full of text just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:31 ◼   ► like it did 1992 it's that I doubt there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34 ◼   ► are many lines of code that are shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:35 ◼   ► with the original version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:36 ◼   ► application and how were they able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38 ◼   ► afford to continuously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:39 ◼   ► develop an application for 20 years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40 ◼   ► was their 20th anniversary recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42 ◼   ► because every time they made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44 ◼   ► version had worked on a year or two on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:45 ◼   ► it they got money from both existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47 ◼   ► customers and new customers if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:48 ◼   ► didn't they wouldn't be around anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50 ◼   ► and so what would be using inside I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52 ◼   ► guess we were using Emacs or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:58 ◼   ► let's do a second sponsor while you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00 ◼   ► recover good idea second sponsors every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:03 ◼   ► me go to every me comm slash download to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:08 ◼   ► download this while I'm describing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10 ◼   ► because it's pretty cool this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12 ◼   ► thing it just launched just came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14 ◼   ► Tuesday a couple days ago and they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:17 ◼   ► up with this app this is an iOS app they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:18 ◼   ► came up with a to address a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:21 ◼   ► friending on social networks and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23 ◼   ► the problem that they identified is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25 ◼   ► either sharing everything with everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28 ◼   ► or you're sharing nothing and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30 ◼   ► really isn't an in-between that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33 ◼   ► problem if you make somebody your friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34 ◼   ► on one of these social networks then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37 ◼   ► they get to pretty much see everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38 ◼   ► that you do that doesn't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:41 ◼   ► what if it's something personal what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43 ◼   ► it's something you don't want your work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:44 ◼   ► people to see or you you don't want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46 ◼   ► family to see who knows well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:49 ◼   ► address this they let you create friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52 ◼   ► on social on their social network based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55 ◼   ► on who they are in real life you create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:58 ◼   ► these circles you create one for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4078">TS</a>]

01:07:59 ◼   ► family create one for your co-workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01 ◼   ► one for your best friends one for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03 ◼   ► significant other whatever it is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:06 ◼   ► propagate these if you choose from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08 ◼   ► address book you can enter them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10 ◼   ► minute whatever it is that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:11 ◼   ► do you create real life circles and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13 ◼   ► mirror the real way that you share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:15 ◼   ► things in the real world and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:19 ◼   ► very easy to use it's an elegant awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21 ◼   ► app and the whole purpose of it again is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:24 ◼   ► to mirror the way that you share things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26 ◼   ► in real life so they're totally private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29 ◼   ► you can enjoy the peace of mind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31 ◼   ► comes with that and they create these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:34 ◼   ► things called magic circles if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35 ◼   ► want to go through and do it manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37 ◼   ► somebody asking well what if what if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:38 ◼   ► don't want to like go and create you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:40 ◼   ► have it'll figure out circles based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43 ◼   ► the information that you give it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:44 ◼   ► it's a very cool app it's a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46 ◼   ► new way to think about sharing things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48 ◼   ► this new approach I think is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49 ◼   ► catch on because more and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:50 ◼   ► are worried about their privacy worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52 ◼   ► about who can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:53 ◼   ► what check this out every me.com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:56 ◼   ► download is where you go to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4136">TS</a>]

01:09:00 ◼   ► I've linked in the show notes also and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02 ◼   ► check it out I think you'll like it if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:07 ◼   ► want to get the readability I got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08 ◼   ► to it now so I'm pleased hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10 ◼   ► they're not gonna leave the Mac upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11 ◼   ► topic even though there's more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:12 ◼   ► there's notes and I got the readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14 ◼   ► alright let's hear the readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16 ◼   ► readability in middle men many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:18 ◼   ► wanted to write in about this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:19 ◼   ► think a lot of people didn't like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:21 ◼   ► stance on middle men because they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:23 ◼   ► it was inconsistent that yeah okay yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26 ◼   ► and then that's I had in my notes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:30 ◼   ► particular middle man that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31 ◼   ► talk about which many listeners to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33 ◼   ► credit brought up because I pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35 ◼   ► attention and that middle man is the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37 ◼   ► store which I think I briefly mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39 ◼   ► but now I want to talk about a bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41 ◼   ► just like in general talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:42 ◼   ► topic of Mittleman so what I said in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44 ◼   ► readability episode was I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:47 ◼   ► the idea of adding a middle man I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:50 ◼   ► things get better when you either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:51 ◼   ► eliminate middlemen or replace existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53 ◼   ► middleman with a better one that's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55 ◼   ► efficient or more hungry for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57 ◼   ► customer focused or not on monopoly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:58 ◼   ► whatever and so many people brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00 ◼   ► the App Store so we'll talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:01 ◼   ► App Store's middleman that first Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:05 ◼   ► didn't add a middleman the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07 ◼   ► replaced either one middleman or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:10 ◼   ► sometimes several so examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12 ◼   ► middlemen that it could replaces like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14 ◼   ► you were selling your software in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:15 ◼   ► store like a retail store Apple replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18 ◼   ► that middleman so you took away Best Buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:19 ◼   ► and you put an apple right if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22 ◼   ► selling things through your website the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:26 ◼   ► App Store replace like your payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:27 ◼   ► processor right and sometimes if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29 ◼   ► were selling in both locations the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31 ◼   ► Store replace both the retailers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:32 ◼   ► used to have a relationship with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:33 ◼   ► your payment processors for your direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35 ◼   ► sale so it's possible that the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:36 ◼   ► could replace multiple middlemen for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37 ◼   ► some people just one middleman for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:38 ◼   ► another but certainly wasn't adding one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40 ◼   ► like Best Buy and your credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43 ◼   ► payment processor and Apple aren't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45 ◼   ► in the loop plight so they didn't add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:46 ◼   ► middleman now the app stores cut is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:50 ◼   ► bigger than the cut of many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:51 ◼   ► middlemen that it replaced so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53 ◼   ► example if you were an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54 ◼   ► active and you're using a payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55 ◼   ► processor there's no way your online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:56 ◼   ► payment processor was taking 30% cut of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:59 ◼   ► your revenues like way smaller than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01 ◼   ► right so even though Apple may have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:04 ◼   ► been replacing a middleman they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:06 ◼   ► drei they were not like better in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08 ◼   ► regard to the developer taking a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:09 ◼   ► bigger cut of your money then then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11 ◼   ► existing payment processor was maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13 ◼   ► actually a lesser cut than your retailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15 ◼   ► because if you were selling box software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:16 ◼   ► that's just you get shafted on that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18 ◼   ► the people who actually sold Box Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20 ◼   ► software by the time that goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23 ◼   ► all the various layers of distributors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25 ◼   ► and middlemen and becomes a box and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:26 ◼   ► sell it how much money you get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28 ◼   ► that is way less than 70% so depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30 ◼   ► on where you were coming from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:31 ◼   ► could have been a much worse middleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33 ◼   ► than the one I replaced for you or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:34 ◼   ► much better one or somewhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36 ◼   ► middle up existing middlemen were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39 ◼   ► usually a lot less draconian about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41 ◼   ► product itself so your payment processor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:45 ◼   ► doesn't care what the hell you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46 ◼   ► selling unless maybe you're selling porn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:47 ◼   ► or some sort of gambling thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49 ◼   ► yeah they don't like that but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51 ◼   ► payment processor doesn't care if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:53 ◼   ► application is defaming a political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:55 ◼   ► figure you know as your payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57 ◼   ► processor doesn't care if what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:58 ◼   ► selling duplicates the functionality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:01 ◼   ► an application that Apple makes all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:03 ◼   ► know it contains curse words or yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05 ◼   ► that they don't care that and retailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:07 ◼   ► well again a little might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09 ◼   ► bit more draconian than just the payment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11 ◼   ► processor Bozell we don't want to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:12 ◼   ► that invest bug this is not part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14 ◼   ► image or whatever but certainly less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16 ◼   ► picky than Apple or it's like oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:17 ◼   ► don't like the api's you're using that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19 ◼   ► PI doesn't care what ap as you use so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21 ◼   ► there's another case where Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► probably more restrictive and a worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:26 ◼   ► experience for the developer than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:27 ◼   ► middleman it was replacing so other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:32 ◼   ► things that the app stored it took away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34 ◼   ► the direct relationship between software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36 ◼   ► vendors and their customers nope those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:37 ◼   ► aren't your customers anymore now those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39 ◼   ► are apples customers and Expo impose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42 ◼   ► extremely strict and pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44 ◼   ► arbitrary rules on the content on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:45 ◼   ► apps we're going to decide whether your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:48 ◼   ► application can be in the store based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:49 ◼   ► us looking at it and making a decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:50 ◼   ► and we'll try to give you a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52 ◼   ► rules and try to give you a hint but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53 ◼   ► those rules change all the time and God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:54 ◼   ► knows what they're going to be we decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:56 ◼   ► uh there is a policies in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:59 ◼   ► that excluded not just individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01 ◼   ► applications but entire classes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:02 ◼   ► applications for example backup software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:04 ◼   ► which needs to read every file on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06 ◼   ► desk well you need administrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:06 ◼   ► privileges for that and the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08 ◼   ► Store says no no admin privileges and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:11 ◼   ► the way you're gonna need to be sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:12 ◼   ► a whole categories of software if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:14 ◼   ► was this category of software you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:15 ◼   ► in you can't even participate in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17 ◼   ► new middleman because you're not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:18 ◼   ► in at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:19 ◼   ► and again certainly things like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21 ◼   ► payment processor would not eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23 ◼   ► backup software but because of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25 ◼   ► arbitrary decision I just want to cut of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:26 ◼   ► your you know your payment transactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28 ◼   ► and perhaps the worst one this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:32 ◼   ► middleman at the App Store it has its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34 ◼   ► own software and it favors its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36 ◼   ► software over your software so no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:38 ◼   ► competing with anything in Apple makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:39 ◼   ► if they said no actually we prefer to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:42 ◼   ► the only application that even looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44 ◼   ► vaguely like this on the store so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:45 ◼   ► rejecting yours that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47 ◼   ► first times that I just totally flipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:48 ◼   ► the switch on on the App Store's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50 ◼   ► years and years ago when like the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:51 ◼   ► App Store when they publicly said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:53 ◼   ► they rejected an application because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55 ◼   ► duplicated some functionality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56 ◼   ► provided looks like oh that's it this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58 ◼   ► BS this is totally BS this app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00 ◼   ► because it up to that point I was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02 ◼   ► was willing to entertain the idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:03 ◼   ► app store because I thought it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:04 ◼   ► okay but you know once they did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:06 ◼   ► once they've totally been filed up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08 ◼   ► the you know so that's the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10 ◼   ► going to be okay I get it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:11 ◼   ► that's like you know that's like if Best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:15 ◼   ► Buy also had its own software making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17 ◼   ► firm and they didn't want to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19 ◼   ► Microsoft Word because they sold their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20 ◼   ► own word processor so they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:21 ◼   ► carry Microsoft Word back in the retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23 ◼   ► days or egghead software or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:24 ◼   ► want to do so and these rules change all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:29 ◼   ► the time like oh can I make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:30 ◼   ► competes with iTunes can I make an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32 ◼   ► that does podcasts well now you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:33 ◼   ► that but also don't make something looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:34 ◼   ► like a dialer but actually that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36 ◼   ► kind of like an interface that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38 ◼   ► like the program switcher that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:39 ◼   ► included in Mac OS 10 even though we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:41 ◼   ► copied it from your app originally we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:42 ◼   ► now are not going to allow your app in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:43 ◼   ► the store there was a follow up item I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45 ◼   ► had for ages about that that just pisses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47 ◼   ► me off to no end what was that one I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49 ◼   ► just still had my notes quickster or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51 ◼   ► quick Swit not quick stir quick switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54 ◼   ► or something like that it looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:55 ◼   ► the application switcher oh yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57 ◼   ► what you mean I'm trying to remember it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:59 ◼   ► to somebody in the chat room I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► remembers what this thing was called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03 ◼   ► sworn I had that in my notes much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05 ◼   ► in the trailer I wanted to do a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:06 ◼   ► show on that because that pissed me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:07 ◼   ► so much it's like the Apple effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09 ◼   ► copied the third-party application with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11 ◼   ► the look and feel and we don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:12 ◼   ► they even saw this their application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:13 ◼   ► the bottom line is the application came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15 ◼   ► out first Apple came out second to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17 ◼   ► just like that other one and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:18 ◼   ► the mag app store came along they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:20 ◼   ► wouldn't allow that app in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21 ◼   ► because they said it looks too much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23 ◼   ► the application that we built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:24 ◼   ► offices right there just total BS light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:27 ◼   ► like lights which is that the name of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29 ◼   ► scooter computer thinks it's light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:31 ◼   ► switch quick pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:32 ◼   ► pulled from the AppStore yeah this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:37 ◼   ► post from august 2011 i led to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:42 ◼   ► shownotes yeah so that that is total BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:47 ◼   ► and terrible terrible terrible so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49 ◼   ► you know that this is what the AppStore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51 ◼   ► middleman is doing even though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53 ◼   ► not adding the middleman it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55 ◼   ► replacing the middleman but replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:56 ◼   ► them in ways that had many disadvantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:59 ◼   ► compared to the middlemen who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:00 ◼   ► replacing right and yet and yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:03 ◼   ► AppStore are both in iOS and on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:05 ◼   ► side is grudgingly tolerated by the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08 ◼   ► developers who getting shafted by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09 ◼   ► the things that I just listed there all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11 ◼   ► right never mind by the way taking 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:12 ◼   ► percent of their money you know what why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:15 ◼   ► is that how why is the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:17 ◼   ► tolerated this was the main like thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19 ◼   ► oh so you don't like middlemen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:20 ◼   ► everyone seems to be okay with the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:21 ◼   ► Store or I don't hear you complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:22 ◼   ► about the App Store Oh first if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:24 ◼   ► been listening to show for I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:25 ◼   ► have heard me complain about the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27 ◼   ► Store but it's true about developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29 ◼   ► like there's lots of complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31 ◼   ► the App Store and there still is lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33 ◼   ► complaining about the App Store but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:34 ◼   ► people put their apps in it don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36 ◼   ► why why is the App Store accepted better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:40 ◼   ► than readability why aren't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42 ◼   ► same people are complaining our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:43 ◼   ► readability it would be as if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:45 ◼   ► complain about readability but all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:48 ◼   ► people complaining about it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:49 ◼   ► subscribers to readability and giving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51 ◼   ► money every month and all the websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53 ◼   ► complaining about readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:54 ◼   ► we're nevertheless signing up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:55 ◼   ► rehabilitating that's not happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:57 ◼   ► people are complaining and as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4617">TS</a>]

01:16:59 ◼   ► can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:00 ◼   ► very few people customers or readers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02 ◼   ► signed up with readability like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:03 ◼   ► they don't have millions of users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► they're not like on a hockey stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06 ◼   ► growth type of thing as far as I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:09 ◼   ► and certainly the publishers are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:10 ◼   ► clamoring to sign up with readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12 ◼   ► and just think everyone has to sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14 ◼   ► with a wall at the same time complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15 ◼   ► that's what happened on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17 ◼   ► everybody complained about it but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19 ◼   ► developer if they could get in the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:20 ◼   ► or got in and some people would complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:22 ◼   ► about the App Store and then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23 ◼   ► complain that they couldn't get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:24 ◼   ► this thing that they hate you know food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:25 ◼   ► here is terrible the portions are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27 ◼   ► small like it was that's the way it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28 ◼   ► going with the App Store and still is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31 ◼   ► why is that what makes readability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32 ◼   ► different than the App Store well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:35 ◼   ► App Store the key thing of the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37 ◼   ► had going I'll start working things well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39 ◼   ► one is that replaced many many separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42 ◼   ► middlemen with a single very popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/4662">TS</a>]

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01:28:30 ◼   ► now so that's readability didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:37 ◼   ► too long no not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:42 ◼   ► got time for a little tiny bit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:43 ◼   ► flashback I think what do you think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:46 ◼   ► I think it's important to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48 ◼   ► and you know get your take on now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:52 ◼   ► those who don't know flashback is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:53 ◼   ► name for this I should have looked this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:54 ◼   ► up is it a virus is it a Trojan horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:56 ◼   ► what is the technical classification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:58 ◼   ► this piece of malware affecting the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:00 ◼   ► well I guess they are calling it malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:05 ◼   ► that's the umbrella term that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08 ◼   ► umbrella term I think that's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:12 ◼   ► fine dry is it is it a drive-by attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:15 ◼   ► is that the official something like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► think drive-by attack is the now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:22 ◼   ► it's not a Trojan horse so this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:25 ◼   ► piece of malware that is reportedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27 ◼   ► affecting like something that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29 ◼   ► things like 1% of all Mac's yes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32 ◼   ► 600,000 Mac's or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:34 ◼   ► right and Gruber talked about in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:38 ◼   ► show a little bit and what he said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:41 ◼   ► thought was a good point for those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:43 ◼   ► were old it's remap we remember a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:45 ◼   ► back when viruses did exist on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:48 ◼   ► back in the classic Mac days I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:51 ◼   ► viruses I believe with the popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53 ◼   ► that I kept getting was the invar virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55 ◼   ► lowercase n capital vir and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58 ◼   ► disinfect myself from the Enver virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5398">TS</a>]

01:29:59 ◼   ► using Reza and the Delete key so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:02 ◼   ► that's old-school uh some viruses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:05 ◼   ► existed back way back in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:07 ◼   ► when max were black and white and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09 ◼   ► monarch you know monochrome tiny 9 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:10 ◼   ► screens and stuff like that and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:12 ◼   ► Gruber pointed out the virus is spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:15 ◼   ► back then through floppy disk because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17 ◼   ► there there was no internet kids you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:19 ◼   ► know there were BBS's and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20 ◼   ► modems if you were lucky but even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23 ◼   ► Mac had not great support for those but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25 ◼   ► generally they you got a virus because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27 ◼   ► you went to a Mac user group meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29 ◼   ► that was a mug that's what we called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:30 ◼   ► them back in the day they don't stick on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:32 ◼   ► mugs that's what they were called I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34 ◼   ► don't know they don't still call them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35 ◼   ► mugs I don't think they exist anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37 ◼   ► because we have the internet now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:38 ◼   ► you'd go to a meeting with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39 ◼   ► old cranky people and you would exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41 ◼   ► floppy disks and you would bring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43 ◼   ► floppy disk film usually filled with she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:45 ◼   ► the shareware software or pirated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:47 ◼   ► commercial software or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:48 ◼   ► half of them had viruses on them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:49 ◼   ► when you put them into your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51 ◼   ► they would infect it you know and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:55 ◼   ► that's how viruses spread now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56 ◼   ► analogy to the way virus is spread these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:57 ◼   ► days is the difference between a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:59 ◼   ► sexually transmitted disease and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:01 ◼   ► airborne virus type of disease sexually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:04 ◼   ► transmitted diseases as bad as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:06 ◼   ► like AIDS and everything spread much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08 ◼   ► more slowly than something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:09 ◼   ► airborne where you see in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:10 ◼   ► outbreak movies or contagion was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:12 ◼   ► recent one if you have to take a floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14 ◼   ► disk and stick it into a computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:16 ◼   ► spread a virus that's going to spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:17 ◼   ► much more slowly especially when every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19 ◼   ► computer in the world isn't connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21 ◼   ► each other nowadays viruses can spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23 ◼   ► because all of our computers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:24 ◼   ► connected to the Internet and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:26 ◼   ► Internet is the vector for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:27 ◼   ► infection if it's on webpages a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29 ◼   ► can spread much much more quickly now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:31 ◼   ► today than it used to be able to spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33 ◼   ► but despite the fact that back when Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:36 ◼   ► viruses were sexually transmitted so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:38 ◼   ► speak they were still widespread enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:40 ◼   ► for me to have gotten and for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42 ◼   ► classic Mac user I know to have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44 ◼   ► them because they would spread more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:45 ◼   ► slowly but they would spread just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:47 ◼   ► through this little beans of floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:48 ◼   ► disks going from one place to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:49 ◼   ► right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:51 ◼   ► so that was the old days of no name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:53 ◼   ► remembers because nobody used Mac's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:55 ◼   ► because there were tor computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:56 ◼   ► they had mice and only two high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:57 ◼   ► computers have mice right and then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59 ◼   ► almost went out of business then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00 ◼   ► came back and then a few people more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:01 ◼   ► started buying Mac's and you had Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:02 ◼   ► 10 and there's this period of time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:05 ◼   ► the Mac's really didn't have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:06 ◼   ► with malware at all and there was lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:09 ◼   ► of debates about this and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:10 ◼   ► the the PC had tremendous problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:13 ◼   ► the viruses because they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:16 ◼   ► massively dominant platform at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18 ◼   ► all of our computers got connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:19 ◼   ► each other and so it's exploited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:21 ◼   ► Microsoft spent years trying to pin down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:23 ◼   ► Windows XP and then you had the Vista [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:24 ◼   ► disaster because they spent all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:26 ◼   ► time trying to make the security better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:28 ◼   ► and all that stuff during this time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30 ◼   ► Mac was basically malware free you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:31 ◼   ► didn't have to think about malware you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33 ◼   ► didn't have to do anything Mac user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:34 ◼   ► still did they would always ask what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:35 ◼   ► should I do about viruses what should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36 ◼   ► do about malware and my question was do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38 ◼   ► nothing because there's nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:39 ◼   ► protect yourself from that won't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41 ◼   ► be the case but right now it's no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43 ◼   ► in killing yourself trying to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45 ◼   ► yourself from threats that don't exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:46 ◼   ► right this was the time during which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:49 ◼   ► Apple and needed to be working its butt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52 ◼   ► off and I think it was trying to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:56 ◼   ► this was the honeymoon period now where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58 ◼   ► it's not a problem of the Mac platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5578">TS</a>]

01:32:59 ◼   ► Apple now you should be spending this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:01 ◼   ► time to make sure that when inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:03 ◼   ► if you're successful malware does become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:06 ◼   ► a problem on the Mac platform which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:07 ◼   ► all know is coming it's just a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:08 ◼   ► just a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:10 ◼   ► like you know there wasn't like the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:11 ◼   ► wasn't vulnerable you get you can right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:12 ◼   ► now for it really easily it was arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:15 ◼   ► more vulnerable than Windows but nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:17 ◼   ► cared the market share was too small or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19 ◼   ► whatever eventually if you're successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21 ◼   ► Apple that's going to change and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22 ◼   ► going to be vulnerable so you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:23 ◼   ► spend time nailing stuff down and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:26 ◼   ► kind of what Apple's been trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:27 ◼   ► it like sandboxing this is all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29 ◼   ► prevent malware Tyvek supplies get flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31 ◼   ► off the system by default don't install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:33 ◼   ► java by default like just try to pin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:34 ◼   ► down pin it down pin it down because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36 ◼   ► this is the period of time during which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:38 ◼   ► you know you you have you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40 ◼   ► window to try to try to get your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:42 ◼   ► in order before the inevitable malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:44 ◼   ► comes the windows didn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:46 ◼   ► luxury they had to do it like under live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:47 ◼   ► fire they had to swap the engine of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:49 ◼   ► car while it was running and just pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:51 ◼   ► their operating system down while it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:52 ◼   ► under constant attack constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:53 ◼   ► reacting things a patch of the week to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55 ◼   ► patch a smaller ability and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:56 ◼   ► species being infected with viruses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:59 ◼   ► was a mess for them Apple had a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:01 ◼   ► of time to really turn the screws down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:04 ◼   ► on his operating system and also to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:05 ◼   ► credit when Apple made a new platform it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07 ◼   ► came up with iOS it did a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:09 ◼   ► job of locking this thing down so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:11 ◼   ► malware has not been a problem in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13 ◼   ► and I think it is much much much much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:16 ◼   ► much less vulnerable than the Mac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:18 ◼   ► malware simply because there are few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20 ◼   ► moving parts and just everything is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22 ◼   ► more nailed down in iOS everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:24 ◼   ► confined and limited in its authority to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:27 ◼   ► do stuff the Mac is not like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29 ◼   ► the Mac is an older codebase and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:30 ◼   ► and so forth right well it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:32 ◼   ► time has run out for Apple and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:35 ◼   ► the buzzer has rung Apple is not done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:38 ◼   ► it's like pencils down no more working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40 ◼   ► and apples in the middle of its essay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:42 ◼   ► didn't get done doing everything that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:44 ◼   ► wanted to do I think Apple would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:45 ◼   ► liked it if it had a few more years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47 ◼   ► grace to say can we just get sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49 ◼   ► sorted out and get everybody into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51 ◼   ► sandboxing which is difficult because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53 ◼   ► Sam boxing you know there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:54 ◼   ► issues with existing applications having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:57 ◼   ► to change or limited functionality to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:58 ◼   ► fit in sandboxing and Apple trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00 ◼   ► negotiate with the developers all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:01 ◼   ► we really want you to be sandbox but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:03 ◼   ► do understandably we want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:04 ◼   ► applications still to work and not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:05 ◼   ► frustrating to users and this is dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:08 ◼   ► that's still going on and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:09 ◼   ► significant malware in the Mac OS 10 era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:12 ◼   ► has hit and infected 1% of the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15 ◼   ► so time is up for Apple and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:18 ◼   ► sad they didn't get done everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:20 ◼   ► wanted to do arguably they didn't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:22 ◼   ► fast enough they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:23 ◼   ► had other priorities in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25 ◼   ► of Mac os10 one of those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:27 ◼   ► priorities was you know making iOS which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:29 ◼   ► I think was this important for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31 ◼   ► concentrate on that priority because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33 ◼   ► turns out to be the majority of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35 ◼   ► business at this point and is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:36 ◼   ► the future of the or of the company but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:39 ◼   ► it is kind of a shame that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:42 ◼   ► get farther along and the one particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43 ◼   ► thing I'm going to ding them for is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:46 ◼   ► so much technologically that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:47 ◼   ► couldn't screw down the Mac platform to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49 ◼   ► be tighter in any amount of time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:50 ◼   ► they had because I think it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52 ◼   ► more important to concentrate on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54 ◼   ► which is the obviously the platform of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:55 ◼   ► the future kick-boxing support of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57 ◼   ► future but their policies yeah no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5757">TS</a>]

01:36:02 ◼   ► came to that one and no they want their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:03 ◼   ► policies like that the way your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:06 ◼   ► reacts to threats that's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08 ◼   ► corporate policy decision and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11 ◼   ► rejiggering your organization to react [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:12 ◼   ► to that and Apple has always been bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14 ◼   ► that has not been changing it like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17 ◼   ► you want to see is like for example this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:18 ◼   ► Java exploit that flashback exploits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20 ◼   ► it's been around like it's been patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22 ◼   ► since February and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► civilized world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► but because apples like man wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:27 ◼   ► really use Java it's not installed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29 ◼   ► default who cares about this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:30 ◼   ► they're not on top of their game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:32 ◼   ► terms of getting about patches they in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34 ◼   ► effect did this to them stuff like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36 ◼   ► don't know how long it took flashback to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:37 ◼   ► go from zero infections to 1% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:39 ◼   ► installed Mac installed base but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:41 ◼   ► might have been over a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:42 ◼   ► time and you know if Apple had patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:45 ◼   ► this exploit as soon as the patch was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47 ◼   ► available this might not have been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49 ◼   ► issue at all but they're so damn slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51 ◼   ► and so damn stingy about rolling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53 ◼   ► changes now some of that is like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55 ◼   ► don't want to have a patch every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:56 ◼   ► week and we you know the but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:58 ◼   ► they're not fast enough and then coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00 ◼   ► out now like oh here's three job updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02 ◼   ► in a week I did I put a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:03 ◼   ► current job update and a link to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:04 ◼   ► hour's technical story about this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:06 ◼   ► did three Java updates in a week that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08 ◼   ► being reactive after 1% of your install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10 ◼   ► base is infected these are just policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12 ◼   ► decisions get a mechanism for dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14 ◼   ► with hot fixes take them seriously if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:16 ◼   ► you some Java exploit and it's patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:18 ◼   ► and the rest of the world's has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:19 ◼   ► patch Mac users should have that patch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21 ◼   ► don't wait six freaking months because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:23 ◼   ► like I will roll it into the ten point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:25 ◼   ► seven point four update or whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:26 ◼   ► patch it out they need a culture and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:29 ◼   ► procedure of acknowledging exploits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31 ◼   ► acting on them quickly and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:33 ◼   ► want to disrupt users by potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:34 ◼   ► screwing up their operating system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:36 ◼   ► that's on you to figure out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:37 ◼   ► technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:37 ◼   ► illusion to push out like mandatory push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39 ◼   ► out of patches to people of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:42 ◼   ► fixes without breaking their crap that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:43 ◼   ► part of being reactive to software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45 ◼   ► threats and it has it's pretty much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47 ◼   ► sideshow to Oh sandbox everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:49 ◼   ► lockdown RS and get rid of exports these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:51 ◼   ► are is industry-wide things flash is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:55 ◼   ► really their responsibility and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57 ◼   ► by not shipping it they're basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:58 ◼   ► abdicating that responsibility but Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00 ◼   ► even though they don't ship it as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:01 ◼   ► showed when you're experimenting a last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:02 ◼   ► show it gets installed automatically by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04 ◼   ► Apple the second you do anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:05 ◼   ► involves Java so it's on them to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:08 ◼   ► that and I bet they're a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10 ◼   ► you know security things that have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:11 ◼   ► known for a long time that fixes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13 ◼   ► available for that Apple simply has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15 ◼   ► distributed not integrated into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17 ◼   ► codebase because they don't consider it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:18 ◼   ► a priority that's something they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20 ◼   ► have changed a long time ago and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:22 ◼   ► really embarrassing that now they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:23 ◼   ► been caught with their pants down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24 ◼   ► so not like this is a zero day exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:27 ◼   ► where no one even knew about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:28 ◼   ► exploit and now it's infected all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:29 ◼   ► Mac's it's a you know nine oh how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:32 ◼   ► days is that 100-day exploit or however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:34 ◼   ► long it's been since February there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:37 ◼   ► excuse for that so at this point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:40 ◼   ► time has run out it's very disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42 ◼   ► that Apple has not reorganized itself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:46 ◼   ► a company to be the type of machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:49 ◼   ► I imagine Microsoft is at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51 ◼   ► having been proved that you know in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53 ◼   ► crucible of fire viruses that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:56 ◼   ► is ready at a moment's notice to hotfix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:58 ◼   ► everybody who is on their latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5938">TS</a>]

01:38:59 ◼   ► platform providing fixes as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:02 ◼   ► possible to the latest exploits as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04 ◼   ► as they're available Microsoft is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06 ◼   ► sitting on patches for things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08 ◼   ► impact since February they're just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10 ◼   ► there they are more proactive than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13 ◼   ► and their organization is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15 ◼   ► structured better to deal with security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:16 ◼   ► threats and apples it's and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:17 ◼   ► that's a shame so I'll give Apple a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:21 ◼   ► d-minus on reactiveness two security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:24 ◼   ► threats and like a b-minus on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26 ◼   ► ability to revise its platform to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:30 ◼   ► more secure because they're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:31 ◼   ► then it's taking them a while and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:32 ◼   ► can't really fault them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:33 ◼   ► concentrating more on iOS because from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35 ◼   ► business perspective that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:37 ◼   ► but the organizational stuff bad job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:41 ◼   ► there and by the way I still have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43 ◼   ► found a single Mac in real life infected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:46 ◼   ► with this none of my Mac's at home work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:47 ◼   ► and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49 ◼   ► talk to anybody I don't know anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:51 ◼   ► that has either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:53 ◼   ► that doesn't make course that it has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:55 ◼   ► going to make sense because if I roll my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:56 ◼   ► hundred sided die right and I say if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00 ◼   ► get a one that means I'm gonna find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01 ◼   ► virus that would be 1% so it makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:04 ◼   ► know I have a 99% and not a chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06 ◼   ► not finding that virus in any computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:08 ◼   ► that I encounter and I think I've rolled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10 ◼   ► that hundred sided die in front of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:11 ◼   ► computer and it has not come up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:13 ◼   ► one number that I select and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:15 ◼   ► fits I you know but one percent is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17 ◼   ► a large number of people and it's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:20 ◼   ► it's just so lame that this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:21 ◼   ► happened at all because it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23 ◼   ► not a zero day exploit something Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:26 ◼   ► code Apache long ago and just didn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:27 ◼   ► sing them panic with three patches in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:30 ◼   ► single week first two of which didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmZXNSY/6030">TS</a>]

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