00:00:02 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► the world of apple introduces nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► about by my co-host John siracusa today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► it's March 23rd 2012 this is episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► number 60 we'd like to say thanks to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/20">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► three sponsors today freshbooks comm get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/23">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► box hitbox app comm and BB edit from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► guise of bare-bones tell me more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► them as the show continues hello John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► siracusa oh damn Enderman how's your day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► supposed to be in the mid 70s today Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► oh how you stand it yep gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/48">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► short show today that's what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/53">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► happen what do you think of that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/54">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► I'll believe it when I believe it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► that's the plan raiveer some follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► okay this show is mostly follow up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► one and one small topic at the end do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► you feel like that you will clear out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/74">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► all of the follow up and you'll be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► to start fresh now because they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► sending more every week I see is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► the problem with if no one ever responds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► whatever then there'll be no follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/87">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► so in a way it's it's very much a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► responsive and at least at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► first half of each one is because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► they're responding to is usually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/98">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► follow up from the previous show it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/99">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► whatever I talked about whatever new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► stuff I talked about alright first bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► is about I'm the iOS version of iPhoto I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/107">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► talked about how the app was little the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► UI of the app was a little inscrutable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► to me and I couldn't quite figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► how to do everything and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/116">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► things I talked about was my inability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► to discover that you could take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► thumbnails and change them from one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► to the other I couldn't figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/123">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► gesture did that and someone in amnon on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► Twitter said that the only way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► can drag the thing for one side to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► to grab the little titlebar handle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► on the thumbnails and move it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► know that's not a difficult gesture why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/140">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► was I not grasping that and so I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► at it and he's right and the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/144">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► was confused by it was that when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/145">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► the video it looked just like this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► sweeping gesture so I just make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/150">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► grand sweeping gesture with my finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► and it would work sometimes because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/153">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► you start the drag in the little handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► area but then quickly leave it it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► so I was fooling myself into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► there was a complicated gesture to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► constrained gesture you have to start in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► a little grippy area after that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► leave it I guess so part of the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► thing is without mouse cursor to see in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► a demonstration is not only clear what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► application that's why I kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/178">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► those screencasts where they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► little circle that shows where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/181">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► person's finger is and like this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► I know what you call it little rings go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► out from it but you can see with when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► they tap with their finger or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/188">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► those are very useful so thanks I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► and speaking of iOS for iPhone mere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► minutes before the show began today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► steven frank co-founder of panic made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► two tweets he said this is Saturn Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► who's talking - he's talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/202">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► thought you were exaggerating but iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/205">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► for iOS really is bizarre the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► slider amuses me though I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► what it does I think he's referring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► some of those little slider controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► there it has like a cloud background and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/214">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► you slide the little cloud back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► forth on this weird colored field but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► it's interesting looking but he has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/219">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► idea what it does and then he followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► that up right after a couple seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/222">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► later saying but whenever I criticize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► weird I owe s you why there's always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► nagging concern that maybe I'm just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► immediately I don't know is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► case I seen a lot of people puzzled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► the iPhone or iOS UI upon first seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/235">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► it and I think Apple acknowledges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► with the with the prominent help and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► tool tips I can't think of another Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► iOS app I've seen that has a button that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► springs up little yellow explanations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► what everything on the screen does now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► they didn't have to do that for mail or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► any of the other out even even iMovie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► design but we have that I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► haven't played with it so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► it's just me and Steven and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► old people I think that it really is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► weird UI but again I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► there's a steeper learning curve I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► once you get used to it and know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/269">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► Connor Porter says that I have a total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► misunderstanding of a smart cover when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► particular here's what he says is in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► tweet so it's compressed removed smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► cover fold into a triangle pinch metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► bar between fingers and wipe screen have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► you ever have you ever heard of this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► done it yourself I have not done I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► never heard of this I've never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► anyone doing it but as soon as I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/295">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► googling around sure enough you can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► lots of people taking their smart cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/298">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► off folding into a triangle shape using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► the metal magnetic spine thing to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► it and using it like a like a squeegee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► or a chamois to zoom out a chamois a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► challenge with Shannon it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► claw yeah it absorbs the liquid from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► after you dry your car and you're like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► squeegee though because a chemise uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/317">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► know it's like a squeegee but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► it's like a chamois squeegee pushes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► water off of a flat surface the chamois [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► absorbs the liquid and I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► thing is absorbing your finger grease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/329">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► and just microfiber terrible yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/330">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► ridiculous that you would remove your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► cover and fashioned it into a cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► device and use it to wipe your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► down that's how you get rid of lines do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► you find that there you're creating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/344">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► lot of smudging on the screen is this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► problem for you or for people do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► think I don't think it's a problem in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► general because first of all you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/355">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► like the general population if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► touches and on screen touches this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► before touch space devices and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► there are more screen touches than on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► screen touches yeah the picky geeks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► us didn't want people touching our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/368">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► computer monitors but if you just went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► through the average office and looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► all the computer screens their cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/373">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► with fingerprints so even screens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► you didn't have to touch people had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► problem touching and smudging up now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► that you were supposed to touch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► complaining about it and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/384">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► bother me that much on the iPad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► bothers me more on the iPod touch and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► don't know why maybe it's because like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► hold it closer to my face and I can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► whatever or maybe maybe there's a Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► Cover mostly keeping the screen clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► people's fingers produce different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► amounts of oils and different types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► oils so I think it all comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► who's using it and then what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► tolerances for smudges but in general I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/410">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► don't see this as a problem and should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► you know how much press any possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► problem with any of Apple's iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/416">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► gets so surely if this was actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► concern someone would have written a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► sensational story about it Apple's iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► device is rendered useless by finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► spoo I don't think that is the headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/425">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► doesn't bother people Chris Porter also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► says that he agrees with me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/433">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► hinges the little little hinges on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► Smart Cover can crack glass because his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► dad did that ooh so that's bad and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► aluminum does get scratched I knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► because I've done that all right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► mark booth is the stand-in for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► ongoing angst over the iPad name you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► would think this would die but no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/454">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► continue to get lots of feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► it and I put him as a stand-in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► he covers all the bases I'll cover them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► ah um I read the wrong name that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/462">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► what Marc booths problem is rewind reset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► okay Marc booth wrote a blog post about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► the iPad particularly about the Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► Cover and he discovered that his a smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/476">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► cover or some smart covers that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► purchased before the introduction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► iPad the new iPad don't work the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► way with the new iPad because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► do the wake-sleep thing correctly and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► he investigated this and found that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► iPad 2 customers were having issues with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► their iPads entering sleep mode when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► they flipped the cover around to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► back like they're opening the smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► cover and just wrapping around to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► back and the thing would go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► sleep and that was because the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► goes that the magnets in the smart cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► were like sort of reaching around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► activating the little sleep magnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► trigger that's on the front of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► so sometime in 2011 sometime last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► Apple changed all its smart covers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/519">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► change the polarity of the magnets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► make the thing go to sleep so that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► it's wrapped around on the back it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► less of a chance of activating it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► the iPad 3 apparently is sensitive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► if you have one of the old Smart Covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► that doesn't have the reverse polarity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/536">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► magnet in that particular thing it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► put the thing to sleep and wake it up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► what he did was ripped open his Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/542">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► Cover and flipped around the magnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► thing so it's upside-down in that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► panel to confirm his hypothesis that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► reversing the polarity of the magnitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► works you thought reversing the polarity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► was something I only did on Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► but here's an actual legitimate use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► reversing the polarity that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► solved the problem so I put a link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► his blog post in the show notes and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► is not the one who complained about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► name but we will get to that later in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► the follow up let me read what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► people say before I read their name so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► Robert Mooney was the first person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► tell me that the Apple TV has a feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► that allows it to learn a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► remote I blast sure I complained a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► about the Apple TV remote and we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► more on that later in the follow up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► he was the very first person to respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► to me by Twitter that if I go in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► Settings General remotes learn remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► there's a really cool interface where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► you get the different functions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► remote like up down left right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► select you go through them one at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► and you basically point the remote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► you want to use and it says please press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/599">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► the button that you would like to be up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► so you hold down the button that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► supposed to be up in a little progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► bar fills then it goes to the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► says press the button that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► be down so you hold the down button the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/608">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► progress bar fails so what I did was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► pulled out one of my many old TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► remotes and because I wanted to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► to control the Apple TV and I just set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► it up to use the Apple TV that it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► five-way thing so I used up down left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► right and select and as another screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/622">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► for a setting what do you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► fast-forward rewind skip forward skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/625">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► backwards stop play pause the only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► was stopped because it's not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► stop button on the TiVo remote there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► just a pause so that worked great and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/633">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► allowed me to take my take the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► remote out of the room and not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► have it there at all and not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/640">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► worry about all the things that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► like about it the only wrinkle what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► setup was that I actually configured the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► same TiVo remote two times because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► wasn't I couldn't decide which button I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► wanted to use as the Menu button on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/651">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► Apple TV remote the menu button is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► down into the left from from the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► of the the 5y pad back into the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► down into the left oh I see and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► a button down into the left on the TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► it's the aspect button I think and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► said one I just use that once then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► like muscle memory for like where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► thing is on both remotes but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► button that I tend to use to go back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► the TiVo remote is the TiVo button the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► very top center button so I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► program both of them to do menu and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► had to set up the same remote twice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► do that because you go through the setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► once and pick one of the buttons then go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/686">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► through the whole setup again a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/687">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► time with the exact same remote but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► simply make a different choice for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► menu button so now I have my TiVo remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► possible buttons I can use to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► the only thing I had to do is label this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► remote so it's distinguishable from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► actual TiVo remote by the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► how did you label it my wife has a label [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► maker thing I just wrote Apple TV on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► little label and stuck it on it so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► kids can tell the difference the adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► could tell because the that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► different buttons on the two TV remotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► the one for the premiere has like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► colored buttons and this is an old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/719">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► from the terminal TiVo HD and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► have the colored buttons umm the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/723">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► tricky part for the TiVo thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► already went through this so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► have to relearn it is of course I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► TiVo sitting in front of the TV and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/733">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► general any TiVo remote will control any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► TiVo so first thing I had to do was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► convince one of my spare TiVo remotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► not to are convinced my tebow not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/742">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► accept signals from this TiVo remote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► if you google for that there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/748">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► crazy procedure that is very confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► and the most most confusing thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/752">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► that when you're on the screen there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► like the the TiVo information screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► anything you do with any TiVo remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/759">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► will tell the TiVo oh I better listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► this one and I guess that's so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/762">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► don't lock themselves out of their TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► like if you if you accidentally do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► something with TiVo remote and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► you've convinced your TiVo not to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► to it how do you convince it to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/770">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► listening to it again like you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► way to input this there's not many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/773">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► buttons on the front of the thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► that screen is it errors on the side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► not locking you out so if you touch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► TiVo remote at all the T that the TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► goes oh I better listen to that remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► regimented procedure of like set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► number on this thing but this thing by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► blocking you you know don't allow the IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► to go out shove the thing behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/791">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► couch cushion and do the buttons but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► then you know so it can be done and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► encourage everyone to Google around for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► instructions your TiVo manual itself has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► it is possible to configure a TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► remote not to control one or more TiVo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► actually if you have a remote that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► little switch on it is like a one-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/809">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► switch you can use the same TV remote to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► control two different things but believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► it or not the Premier Li remote does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► have a switch on it so I had to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/816">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► James Scout yadi he's the one who I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/825">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► using as my standing for complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► about iPad numbers a lot a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► have the complaint that they think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► works for Macs like iMac doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► number at the end of it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► generations of hardware alongside each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► other so the model that's currently on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► sale is always the new one by definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► now I kept trying to look this up and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► was difficult to tell from that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/847">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► looking it up on like these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/848">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► every Mac comm or low end Mac comm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► the Mac tracker application but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► memory is that they sold the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► MacBook alongside the aluminum MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► for some period of time and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► both called MacBook and they would call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/861">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► one of them white or whatever is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/862">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► your recollection as well that's mine as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► well but they were different products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► they were and they were all in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► MacBook family but they were they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► separate versions it wasn't like one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► old one was new although one might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► they were separate right but so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/879">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► yeah it's hard to say like it well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► thing is since they're so visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/888">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► different and since you could say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/889">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► like that one's just a white one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► know that what say the iPad 4 comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► it looks exactly like the iPad 3 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► would say well that's different because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► different material ones plastic and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► difference even though I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► both they both were called MacBook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► parenthesis I don't know it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/907">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► it's a tough call on whether it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► continues this isn't the case with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► OTT with iPads or iPhones where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► keep the previous generation around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► lower price points and so they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/922">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► this with three generations but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► how will they differentiate next year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► new iPad from today's that's a a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and how will they differentiate if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/933">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► have three models say they keep selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► the two then they keep selling the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► and then they sell before so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► one call two and then one call the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► one called iPad many people have pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/941">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► out how this is unprecedented in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/945">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► other things not just Apple's hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► but also cars and stuff cars is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► bit fuzzier because when they make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► platform like we talked about last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► with the new BMW 3-series platform what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► they do with the 911 or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► Porsche 911 they don't immediately don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► always immediately put every single car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► onto the new platform so for example on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► the BMW 3-series they make the 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► sedan they make the 3-series coupe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► make the m3 which is a sporty er version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► they make it convertible and they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► make a convertible m3 and when the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► platform comes out say oh that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► the f30 BMW 3-series is out you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► run out and get a convertible at m3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/983">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► they sort of dole them out so the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► thing that comes out as the four-door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/989">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► sedan and then maybe the coupe and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► the m3 after that and and same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► with the 911s you can't always get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► 911 turbo immediately when the new 911s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► go on sale and so then you have a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► of time where if you were to go into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► BMW dealership they would say hot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► might say I'm interested in a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► convertible I said well here we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► BMW 3-series convertible and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► buy it and they would sell it to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► even though then it's not based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► new 3-series platform because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► convertible version of that yet I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► think they stopped making those and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► don't think they just say all sell our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► old stock I think they continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► manufacture the old 90 platform 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► convertibles I'm not sure someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► knows more about BMWs can tell me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► certainly I do know that when they Rev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► the platform which is sort of like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► did with the iPad 3 you know when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► got a new screen and your CPU or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► know new GPU and the CPU more RAM all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► that when they rev the platform for cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► they don't always rev the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► across the entire board so there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► period of time where old and new mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► together ah but with all these concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► not only people tend water they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► how are they going to differentiate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► considerations that I talked about last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► considerations that I haven't heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► anyone can test but few people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► in their complaints about the name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► will this decrease sales and will this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► decrease customer satisfaction and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► still come down and saying no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► think it will decrease sales if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► an iPad you get an area an iPad will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► decrease customer satisfaction any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► confusion that comes from this I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► think will make people say I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► to buy Apple products because it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► confusing I think this will get sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► out in the store in the Apple Store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► it will be very clear which ones they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► buying and I don't think anyone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► come away accidently buying the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► model and be disappointed by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► disappointed but then in fact I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► someone really didn't knows totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► clueless and bought themselves an iPad 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► now they would be completely satisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► with it they would have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► they're missing with the iPad 3 now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► instead they know nothing about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► products and have no idea I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► think that this naming issue will hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► them in sales or satisfaction I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► helps them in the realm of perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► and in aligning their products without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► having to worry about numbers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► trying to make it more like the iMac for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► example so people are free to disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► and we will see when I guess next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► when the next iPad comes out depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► on what they name it if they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► right and I was wrong on this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► person's name is Jay a and n is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► their German would you go with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► honest on that Yan egg with Yan name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► with the G at the end do you speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► German is that what you know there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► I I'm just guessing all right well Jay a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► is one of the many Germans to point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► that in Germany things are different yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► of course Urmi things are different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► their people the common people really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► know the the platforms of the carbon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► many people bro the same example the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► Volkswagen Golf everybody knows if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► a golf two golf three golf court or golf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► five and those aren't those aren't model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► years those are generations so the golf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► three will be out for a few years in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► hub like you know several different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► years about think is that people around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► there know what the platforms are of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► Marcus henshin says exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► thing the golf L he uses Roman numerals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► golf one two and three Fujio models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► there was an actual model number like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► 205 206 207 and 208 so apparently in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► Europe especially in countries where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► I'd imagine germinates because the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► makers that are in Germany are closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► tied with the national identity you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► volkswagen and BMW and Mercedes and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► think there's much more awareness of car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► models in that country because it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► smaller country and those car color car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► companies are so much larger you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► everybody knows about that are a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► of pride our is in the US I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► don't think people knew what platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► you know they didn't know about the kei [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► cars and what platforms are underlying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► forwards or Chevy's and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► maybe it's just because Americans always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► expect to be at the top of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► and it's not that part and when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► the biggest car maker in the world until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► all of a sudden we aren't and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► important so as always things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► different outside the US I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► confusion at the menu that was letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► me pick different kinds of HDMI output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► and I didn't quite know what Auto meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► and what RGB Heineman why RGB low meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► but I also talked about this ycbcr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► output and I'd said that I looked that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► technique of compression where you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► send the luminance but then send the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► color channels in a compressed fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► because they weren't as important so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► Alex trained writes in to say that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► implication that this might be a lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► quality source in RGB is untrue because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► in general they're they're broadcast in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► that same format actually they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► broadcast and WA Y UV which is similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► to Y C BC are the same anyway so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► they're broadcast in that format if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► were to straight through displayed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► that format you're not losing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► necessarily wrong or only used for old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► CRTs as I suggested in the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► Chris Herbert made a good attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► explain it to me he tried to explain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► a tweet I can I suggested as I as I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► many times the people who send me things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► in tweets I say write a blog post about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► it I'll link it so he did write a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► post about it and I linked it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► show notes so his attempt to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► this and his explanation was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► one that started to make sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► about what the RGB high and low might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► so here's the important distinction on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► computers total black is represented by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► the value zero and total white is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► fifty-five so that's an 8-bit range for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► going completely black boolie white or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► you know completely red to get coolie on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► red so you've got RGB values and each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► one of them has value from 0 to 255 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► full 8-bit range is used for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► component but on television and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► digital video in general and I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► know this black is 16 and white is 235 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► did you notice I did not know that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► is news to me so the space above and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► below these levels is what they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► headroom which is necessary when TVs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► were analog and didn't respond well to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► hard clipping at the bottom and top ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► of the video signal I'm reading from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► Headroom is still useful even today even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► for today's digital televisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► there is in fact some additional picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► information in the wider than white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► portion of the signal particularly when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► showing very bright things like clouds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► white shirts etc so he doesn't know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► sure what Apple is calling RGB high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► analogy below but he's guessing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► correct setting for most TVs will be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► use the standard video color space which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► is at 16 to 235 which is likely he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► thinks this is likely what Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► calling RGB high as this is what video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► properly designed televisions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► expecting the RGB low mode is expanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► the 16 to 235 expanding that into 0 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► 255 range that a computer monitor might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► expect so for an example so a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► monitor expects 0 255 expects 0 to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► black doesn't expect 16 16 to be black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► so if you were to send if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► send 0 to 255 to your television set one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► of two things can happen right first may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► be that your television always expects a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► 16 to 235 signal and it will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► discard all the data below 16 and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► the data above to 35 and then everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► will be all washed out because nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► will be completely black because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► your complete blacks are at 0 and the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► just discarded them because it discards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► everything below 16 and you'll lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► stuff on the high end so this will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► a very negative impact on picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► quality you don't want this the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► is that your television will realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► it's receiving a 0 to 55 PC style signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► and will just readjust itself in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► case everything should be fine you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► see some kind of gradient banding if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► your television does a bad job of taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► that range and changing it back to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► really what this comes down to is and uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► all right here's another person written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► to tell me that a dance termer and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► me that really what you want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► sure is that the incoming signal and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► television agree on everything so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► your television always expects a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► mode you send it that mode but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► tell you know you don't want to force it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► to be into a 0 to 255 if your television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► is not expecting that because bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► will happen you really just want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► television expectations and the input to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► agree which is why he suggests that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► leaving in Auto was the correct decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► because presumably yes faith that auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► will find some way to negotiate with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► television and send it the signal at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► suggesting so this isn't as complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► as I I don't know maybe it is the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► thing because I know there's a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► setting this is setting on my television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► it says accept input values that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► outside the range of a normal the normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► television specification and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► PlayStation that helps to help put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► thing but for for this I'm I feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► about leaving it on auto because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► basically as I leave it up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► television that a device to negotiate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► think most modern TVs will accept and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► adjust all these formats but it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► to me like not sending a 0-255 value to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► your television is the right thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► and hopefully that's what my device is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► sorted out amongst themselves and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► change the settings and look to pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► and I couldn't tell a difference so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► imagine it's because my television says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► oh I'm getting a signal in this format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► and it senses it and does the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► Mike F from across the pond writes in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► tell us that the reason that the UK are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► one reason he speculates that the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► might have a bunch of amateur this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► recording from from him amateurish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► looking DVRs you've never heard of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► that their television greatly simplifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► the job of DVRs so the video in the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► apparently arrives already encoded in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► usable format so they can just dump that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► right to disk so they don't need an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► encoder at all for the video they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► just take the bit perfect stream and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► it right onto disk the program guide is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► apparently sent with the video so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► don't even need a network connection so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► the list of when the shows are on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► what time or whatever comes along in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► same signal as the video so you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► need a network connection for your DVR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► and channels are bundled into something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► called multiplexes so a DVR with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► so that's interesting it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► infrastructure is more conducive to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► DVRs then apparently ours is so for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► because certainly we need a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► information along with our video signals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► in general Anthony Johnson also in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► UK says that the humic machines that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► talked about last time are the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► worst option available in the UK just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► like TiVo is in the u.s. so not not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► all big fans of these brands that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► talked about last time he also talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► about the awful weird brand names he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► says he speculates that it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► because in the UK they believe Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► electronics are superior and they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► the idea of bad fake English names to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► make them seem nicer this is his theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► I have no idea whether that's accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► or not I just dunno the hue max2 strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► name dole Frankel all right same to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► me that I inspired him to go through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► turn all of his paper manuals into PDFs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► I think couple shows ago I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► my smoke detector and how I had to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► the manual I had the paper manual but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► couldn't search it so I wanted a PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► versions of most of the manuals for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► appliances are available online so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► did a blog post that I linked in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► show notes where he showed his junk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► drawer full of those paper manuals that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► come with all your appliances and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► devices and his wife was nagging him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► get rid of that and he wanted to clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► out that drawer but he says that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► monkey brain was telling him I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► need it someday so finally he couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► get rid of the manuals but he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► instead was found them all in PDF form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► and put them all into iBooks on his iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► device and he had things like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► manuals from his Sega Genesis and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► Nintendo 64 so obviously he's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► bit of a pack rat here abdi says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► other day he was sitting in his car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► trying to pair his phone with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► bluetooth handset and couldn't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► something about it and he just pulled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► his iphone pulled up his manual in PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► and looked it up so here's a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► declutter your life turning this into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► back to work episode take all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► paper manuals that you have filed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► somewhere and convert them all to PDFs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and then recycle all that paper it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► faster easier more searchable and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► will make you feel cool and high-tech so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► good job doe Vaughn that and we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► transitional period of the follow up we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► from Justin bakes he asks why doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► the filesystem keep track of how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► complaining it like if he gets info on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► his home directory and the little get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► info window in the finder comes up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► grinds and grinds and grinds and takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► long time to tell you how much data is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► in the folder and he says D you from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► command line takes a long time to why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► doesn't the filesystem just keep track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► of this as contents or change that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► be nice do you want to take this one why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► doesn't the filesystem keep track of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► contents of folders in other words so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► that you can very easily and quickly get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► the size get other data out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► without it having to do that calculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► every time that you ask yeah so I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► going to speculate I've never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► thought about this but I think my the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► reason I haven't thought about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► because I just sue my speculation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► correct okay but update if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► situation like that that would mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► io is done to any file anywhere below a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► particular folder you would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► update the those numbers that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► keeping track of for every folder in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► that path so that for the so the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► thing means you'd have to keep track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► or repeatedly look up which directories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► are in this files path and in the UNIX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► descriptor is just an integer and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► general you're not retaining information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► about that every directory along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► path will loop to the root of the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► system so you got to store that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► that's currently not being stored and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► then of course there's contention for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► the all these numbers so if any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► files are being modified that along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► same path anywhere along the same path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► you would have to grab some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► mutex and say okay everybody else stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► out I'm gonna update that number because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► I just added three bytes of data so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► directory has three more bytes and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► parent directory has three more bytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► and its parent directory has three more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► bytes and all up to the top all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► I'm done I really saw my locks okay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► can go that seems like it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► massive bottleneck tayo performance if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you had to keep updating those numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► because remember you can't update them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► like when you're done or when a big file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► is done being rewritten there is no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► is a waiting till done because what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► done you'd have to read it every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► you did IO right imagine if you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► recording streaming video or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► like that yeah or like just untiring a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► big tar ball you know splatting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► running an installer you'd spend all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► your time you know and so maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► doesn't sound so bad hfs+ because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► only one process can be modifying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► catalog at lunch but let's not drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► every file system down to be like hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► and I believe actually HFS+ does keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► more track of this stuff than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► processes because like hey I'm locking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► the whole catalog file anyway and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► one process can be modifying the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► system anyway but in general the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► contention that's what I think why file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► systems don't do that and so when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► get info on it then it grinds over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► everything and looks it up at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► and believe me you'd rather have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► okay what was that in your house than my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► house yeah I do not know the cat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► there or something no I don't nothing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► his room I heard that noise and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► thought it came over the loud so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► headphones no it's on your track I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► take your word for it now but nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► nothing is crashed down in this room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► maybe something is going on outside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1918">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► I don't know about I would go check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► all right Hannah's like nah I'll do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► sponsor today is a great new one it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► get box so most of you I'm assuming this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► in the audience are probably developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► or designers or writers or you create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► something so you've probably heard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► get to version control system everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► should be using some kind of version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► control system that matter what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► the problem with git is it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► command-line intensive and even people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► like me who use get every single day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► don't know all of the things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► constantly have to look things up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► when it gets into the really tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► stuff like rebasing commits or resetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► a branch I mean you almost always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► to go to terminal to figure this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that means you have to look stuff up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that slows you down it makes you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► want to use it takes away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► the gift box will change all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► imagine if your git client was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► really easy to use of course we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► talking about something for the Mac here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► and it was really easy to use it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► just like Mail app but forget I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► what if it could keep you from screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► up things like committing new versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► outside of a branch full-text search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► visual comparison of file differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► all of that stuff it's integrated all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► these hard to do things that you wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► you were able to do more readily get box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► I love get box I started using it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► they showed some interest in being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► sponsor and man I loved it I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► even touched the command line since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► started using it so here's what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► you go to get box app comm you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► download the free trial and if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► it well you should buy it they're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► right now it's $9.99 so go check this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► out get box app calm when you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► buy it you buy in the App Store it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► pretty awesome oh by the way command Z [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► undo how cool is that can't do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► the command line check it out are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► back John I am back I investigated I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► found nothing I went outside the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► the only brother person home is my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► she's fine nothing appears to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► fallen inside or outside our house I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► have no idea what that was and it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► warm like you're talking about up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► I think the rats start to get active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► there's been a truck driving by be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► now the rats aren't that loud usually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► feed them or no only poison that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► they get fed okay all right so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► the keeping track of contents the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► system question now two to feisty bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► of follow up here all right need more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Alexander Hoffman writes to tell me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► significance is not sample size its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► representativeness I think on some past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► show I must have mentioned something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► about statistical significance and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► thought that because we had a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► sample size it was probably the Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► Parrillo stuff because I had small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► representative and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► and I generally try to use the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► language there but I'm sure I slip into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► the common definition of statistical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► significance which does not agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► the real definition as in many cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► like the common understanding like off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► you don't have a lot of people that must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► not be statistically significant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► it's not the number of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► counts it's how representative they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► of the large population so the example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► think is this Chris Parrillo thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► because he says for example you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► talk to a million non geeks and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► not have a statistically significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► sample if that million non geeks were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► population of non geeks for example if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► you're over sampled college grads or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► understand both college grads or over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► sampling of the moms of hardcore geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► etc he says that the math we refer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► when we mean statistical significance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► assumes random sampling it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► assume any particular sample size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► virtually any effective size can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► statistically significant if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► large enough sample size that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► says here maybe just confusing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► lessons anyway he says you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► best not even bringing up the term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► bringing the term up I think he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► I am probably best not even bringing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► term up and yet I probably will so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► the future I will endeavor to use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► term in a correct manner and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► that the sample is not representative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and not that it's too small because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► representative is what matters and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► size I did take several statistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► courses in colleges but I confess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► all of them have left my brain long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► so here's here's the best one say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Nik Modesto writes and to say that I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► appalled by John's lack of attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► detail when it comes to the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► remote there are no lines from molding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► or where the manufacturer typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► glues two halves together appears to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► a sturdy solid piece of aluminum so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► got the remote right in front of me here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► he is correct I don't see any mo blinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► it appears to be I saw a piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► aluminum which is pretty amazing when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► you think about it like how did they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► the insides in they shove it all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► through the battery door or is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► like if used together somehow very neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► also you don't mention how the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► button is concave and the play/pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► constantly talking about having textures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► or shapes to help you discern which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► button of your your finger is on by how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► it feels this oversight of such detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► surprises me especially on a remote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► only has three buttons and a d-pad the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► Apple TV remote is not some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► bulbous hunk of plastic you're not meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► to grab it grab this object and attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► to strangle it in order to keep hold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► it like you do with a TiVo remote it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► lightweight well bounce remote that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► lies in the hand I'm sure John sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► Johnny would say that it floats in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► he says I'm almost positive that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► holding it wrong now I can't tell if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► he's just trolling me but because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► holding it right you're doing it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► hold it like you would hold the golf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► club or a drum stick lightly wrap your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► fingers around their mode while it lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► in your open hand and then he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► comment on the the white light from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► finally hiding the Apple TV in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► white light means that you are moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► your ability to get visual feedback from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► the Apple TV unit in the manual you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► see there are a series of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► patterns that the Apple TV device uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► especially when things are not working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► when properly do this at your own risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► don't complain in the future about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► lack of visual feedback from the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► when you're pounding on buttons and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► system isn't responding to your commands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► so this is quite an angry email that me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► not liking the Apple TV remote the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► points he made about it being solid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► flakies loom are true it's a pretty next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► little construction here one of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► convex and one of them is concave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► the select button is actually concave as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► well and then the ring is convex which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► it didn't like but no I didn't note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► those two things but I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► teachable moment in terms of weighing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► the relative importance of problems a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► lot of the things I didn't mention like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► how it's very solid and how the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► are shaped differently I never even got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► to talk about or consider those because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► right away the size was the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► factor for me the size and the comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► of holding the thing he says is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► big massive bulbous hunk of plastic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► apparently like big bulbous hunks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► plastic like the TV over remote it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► more comfortable for me to hold it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► more secure it feels more comfortable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► put in my hand the mold lines yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► constructed as well as this but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► feel them or notice them so all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► things that he likes about it I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► say they are good design you know having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► the buttons be shape ba1 be convex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► concave that's a good idea although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► would say the position is more dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► I could probably tell where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► based on the position more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► texture but that's not bad the concave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► nature of the ring I think is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► because it makes it look feel like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► finger is shedding off of it but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► the two things make me not like it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► two things that I talked about it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► uncomfortable to hold because it's then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► small and likea that you're holding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► wrong thing is a whole different matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and in practical use like I was willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► to give it a try it introduced errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► into the process when using the remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► to do stuff I always found myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► hitting the wrong button or accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► inputting one I didn't want to so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► know that's that's the the all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► stuff falls by the wayside and in light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► now as for the holding I'm a hand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► wrong way this kind of came up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► puck mouse to the IMAX puck mouse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► was exactly circular some people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► I'm always make take pains to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► whenever we talk about it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► gets such a bad rap but some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► really liked it because it was very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► profile and it was circulant I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► ball was dead center in the middle of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► so it felt kind of good to use but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► had this one problem that was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► dominant over everything else and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► was when you put your hand on it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2424">TS</a>]
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00:47:02 ◼ ► what one-man show like monologue type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► things are about and it just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► unfair this is the first impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► I have based just on the title and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► fact that it's a monologue knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► nothing about Mike Daisey was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► was gonna be a polemic it was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► be at the agony and the ecstasy this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► all around the same time as the bios are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► everything it's like ah he makes such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► amazing things but he was such a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► person and um you know anything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► on the stage is gonna be dramatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► you know they're gonna focus on how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► was a big jerk in all besides I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► know his had anything to do but Chyna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► interested in seeing that because I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► experienced all this stuff I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► maybe if someone never know who Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► introduce them to it maybe see a one-man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► interpretation of his life and to appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► an entertaining way for people to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► about Steve Jobs who are never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► read some you know dry biography about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► or anything uh but I wasn't interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► in it at all and so I just basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► ignored it like all those guys doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► show whatever I don't care about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► show I'm not interested in someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► telling me what I should think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► Steve Jobs I feel like I have a grasp on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► it so then there was the American This [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► American Life episode and Mike Daisey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► was on this episode and he was on he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► on the episode both interviewed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► host and also an excerpt from his live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► show and the excerpt and the interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► were about labor practices in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► which by this point I had heard a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► about from other news stories and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► the New York Times did a thing on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► it's been covered everywhere and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► tech press and so I figured even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► I'm not interested in this guy's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► why did I'm here I am interested in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► American life that's the show it's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► all the time why don't hear what he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► to say on that show and so I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► downloaded episode of this American life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► and when I heard him on that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► I was like when I heard the sections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► from his monologue I'm like yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► pretty much about what I expected when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► heard him interviewed and everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► figured yeah this guy's like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► expected and I believe that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► he said in that show and so now verses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► come out that Mike Daisey has fabricated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► a lot of the stuff I've asked myself why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► did I believe everything he said in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► the excerpt of the show that was on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► this American life and why did I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► everything he said in the interview so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► listening to this I didn't pay much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► attention to the timeline so it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► to me when listening to the story that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► didn't think about like how long was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► actually in China was he there for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► days you know or was he there I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► assumed he was there for a good long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► time to talk to all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► people so one of the things that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► one of the people who debunked his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► claims noticed was that hey this guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► only in China for six days how could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► possibly have found all these people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► talked to all these people in a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► period of time so when I was listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► to this American life obviously in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► radio show everything is compressed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► they didn't discuss timeline that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► or if they didn't notice it so that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► not ring any warning bells for me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► it wouldn't be possible for this guy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► learn this much in this marathon second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► thing is I don't know much about China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► so when he says for example that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► security guards at the gates of Foxconn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► have guns he says in this dramatic way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► that they have guns and armory of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► they have guns so don't security guards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► at every important factory in the Unites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► like of course they have guns everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► has guns it didn't you know I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► I'll roll in my eyes like oh they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► guns they're gonna shoot me dead because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► they're mean right uh no like I said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► security guards all factory have guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► but if anyone knew anything about China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► which the guy who de Munck this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► did that what was his name Rob Schmidt's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► or something uh he said well security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► cars in China can't have guns only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► military and the police have guns so his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► story is suspect but I didn't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► about China so one of the other reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► believe them is that the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► were there were warning bells to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► anything for me because I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► know much that much about China and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► the final thing is that everything he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► said in that show had been reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► elsewhere uh in terms of category so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► underage children working we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► reports of that everywhere dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► chemicals hurting people seen reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► that before long were kerosene reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► without the suicides and the nets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► was like last year in year before all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► all those things categorically like do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► these things happen in China yes they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► do these things happen in China related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► to technology manufacturing yes they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► so when he gave his specific instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► like that this person who was like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► then I saw these people and I did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► he didn't convince me that things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► worse than they expected because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► already predisposed to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► everything he was going to say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► going to be overly dramatized and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► exaggerated for effect so when he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► all these stories I'm like yeah alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► I'm sure you did meet some guy like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► yeah that sounds plausible yeah the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► saw underage workers yeah probably did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► stuff like that all right so this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► or maybe last week or whatever was oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► find out that he made up these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► that he didn't meet these people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► didn't sit outside the gates for ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► minutes and meet a bunch of underage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► people that he didn't find some guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► were just crippled by working on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► it didn't show an iPad to someone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► have this dramatic moment he says well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► how it's magical I've never seen any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► real he just made all that up he made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► uh now despite when when I believed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► when you know before all this this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► had come out that he fabricated I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► also seen him on Real Time with Bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► Maher which is an HBO show that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► bunch of political tight people on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► when I saw him on that show I already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► went in having an opinion this is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► be a guy who was like making everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► dramatic and overblowing everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► I thought you know maybe I'm just being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► unfair I think this is the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► actually should just start this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► the first time I saw him interviewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► this is before this American Life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► episode are concurrent with it or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► hadn't listened to it yet so he sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► down in a chair across from Bill Maher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► Hoopoe for people who don't know as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► comedian comedian in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► and he's on HBO which is a cable network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► where he's allowed to curse and be lewd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► into all these things so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► actually a pretty tough interviewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► because he will call people on their BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► and so he's sitting across from Bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► Maher and talking to him and listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► to that interview further reinforced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► idea in my mind that this guy is not out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► to make sure he's fair to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► he has got an agenda he's got an axe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► grind he's not interested in balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► when Bill Maher or pushback or asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► questions you would he would deflect he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► his he had an agenda ah he had something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► that he wanted to do and I'm like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► guy is not interested in the figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► out what's really going on he's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► reporter he's not a journalist obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► he's an actor I should've thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► but some people can be fair-minded you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► know like for example if you were to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► me on some sort of show and uh and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► some sort of cause it would not be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► difficult to get me into a one-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► monologue uh against myself you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► sort of telling you why my position you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► know giving the counterpoint to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► my points was that's just how my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► works this guy was not interested in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► of the counter points to any of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► points he was only interested in selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► what he had to sell his his story of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► things and I think the story that Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Daisey tells himself uh is that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► using his art to affect social change he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► feels for the workers he empathizes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► them he thinks that what's happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► them is an injustice and he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► write to that injustice any possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► that he can now in Gruber show he points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► out that even if you were 100 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► cynical and thought Apple was yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► totally in the wrong hair and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► and it was motivated only by selfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► concerns and there's nothing altruistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► about Apple the company at all it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► still be an apples best interest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► avoid for example underage workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► because there's no upside for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► using underage workers if there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► labor shortage and the only workers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► could get were underage you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► it's an apples interest to use underage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► workers because otherwise they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► meet their capacity you know they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► they can't manufacture a capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► therefore it's in Apple's interest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► hire underage workers and hide it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► that's not the case all reports out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► China from everybody say that anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► these companies hire they have way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► app way more adult applicants than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► could possibly hire so there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► worker shortage in China and so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► no upside for Apple hiring underage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► worker that's true if anything you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► think that the workers who are a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► bit older I'm not saying elderly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► just older would have maybe a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► skill set perhaps and more to lose if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► they were to screw the job up I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► Schindler's List where the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► fingers can get into the shell casings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► situation here right and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► massive downside of course of bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► publicity right so that that was grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► his argument to say like even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► not an altruistic bone in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► corporate body that it would simply not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► be in there just to hire underage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► workers uh but what I think critics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► think about this and what I think Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Daisey thinks and just like everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► who's against this this Ennis this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► people don't I don't think people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► ever come out and say this but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► if they examine what they're feeling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► thinking like if you if you if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► like Mike Daisey and you think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► empathize with do burgers and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► it's an injustice and you want to right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► this injustice that's the story you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► telling yourself and the story you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► yourself about Apple is that Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► this because they're mean Apple as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► company as a mean company so you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► because that's what macGruber was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► getting up is he was saying like why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► is it that you think Apple would do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► and the people who are criticizing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► for these things generally don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► to themselves oh well let me let me look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► at it this way what is apples is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► motivated is there some sort of perverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► incentive system for Apple to to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► underage workers and in the specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► case or underage workers I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► there is any real incentive for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► do it but the people who like Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► Daisey who complain about this and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► assumptions that Apple is mean because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► big corporations are mean we learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► like they exploit the workers they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► only interested in the dollar they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► basically doing it to be mean because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► they're not nice people right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► simply don't believe it I simply don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► believe Apple as a corporation or most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► corporations for that matter are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► things out of cruelty sometimes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► are incentives to do things like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► example you know making making people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► work in dangerous conditions in mines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► because that's the way you get the gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► out or whatever like the corporation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► incentivized to damage its workers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► that case but in particular case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► underage workers I think there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► incentive for Apple to do that working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► hours on the other hand there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► incentive and that incentive is you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► more production at it right so there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► some corporate incentive to make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► work too long and that is a more complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► issue as I think the person when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► this American life did a later episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► there was a retraction because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► fact that many of these things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► fabricated in the retraction episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► they had a reporter from the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► Times come on and he talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► overtime issue and said it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► more complex because the worker is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► who are hourly they want some overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► because you get you know it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► have overtime you get more money right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and the so it's not as if you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► oh they're making the workers work too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► much these workers should never have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► work overtime no they wouldn't be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► with that but on the other hand the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► some of the workers say that you do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► accept the overtime that they give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► any overtime and all over time they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► say okay well I guess you're just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► interested in overtime I'll give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► someone else and that's bad because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► like if you don't if I don't do overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► every time you ask me to do it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► get any overtime so that's a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► where Apple's corporate interests may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► not be aligning with the you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► so Mike Daisey if you listen to him on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► fabricator and cannot bring himself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► he he continues to tell himself this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► story about him rioting and injustice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► with all tools at his disposal and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► wants to at least on the show never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► wants to examine like why do I feel only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► manufacture these things I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► could have had just as dramatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► effective a show he didn't make up stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► is the the things that we know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► happening there are real and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► need to say oh I was there I saw it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► happened to me within a six day period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► for it to be dramatic like you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► can do one or two things you can either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► talk about the things that happen even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► in a dramatic fashion or you can simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► say this is a dramatization and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► didn't really happen to me but it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► have because we've you know to me like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► don't think a dramatization is any less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► moving or powerful to say all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► that are in this dramatization have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► happened but the characters and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► energy fictional including me and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► gonna include myself in it both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► ways were perfectly valid ways out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► he just he he chose to lie about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► even when caught in the lie content you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► know just says you know adds lies on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► of lies and he comes down in degrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► like well okay that was lie but really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► did see that person okay well I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► see that person but someone else or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► person or maybe that person was maybe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► translator is distract and she didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► see me meeting with those people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► always ratcheting down and bargaining he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► never gets caught in a line can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► just admit that he was lying so he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► not a good person and I don't like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► and I don't like his show and I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► did and I think it was awful uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Daisy I never brought him up because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► specifically because I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► waste of time hmm I don't even think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► awareness is well I think that the long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► series of New York Times articles was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► much more powerful way to to effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► pressure to Apple because I really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► front-page stories from the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Times than it does about a one-man show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► about Steve Jobs and if anything him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► coming out with these fabrications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► everything lessens is cause because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► people anytime we hear anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► China and Apple is all like oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► I heard those were all debunked even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► though those things still continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► happen because this guy had to lie about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► a bunch of stuff that didn't happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► him now that's out in the air so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► a big mess so I think he's bad but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► larger point about Apple in China uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► upon China one of my old shows but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► never actually got to the larger point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► want to make about app on China is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► I'm sure this comes up in most things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► but this is the main concern in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► I question how much control Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► has over what happens in China the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► sides of this are one Apple is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► biggest customer they're the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► company in the whole world they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► these manufacturers on the string these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► manufacturers are killing themselves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► compete for Apple's business if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► says jump they're going to ask how high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► Apple can make anything happen and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► other side of this is Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► control what goes on in China Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► not Foxconn you know this there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► Apple can make things happen in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and in that continuum I've more on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► side that Apple's ability to affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► change in China is extremely limited I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► don't doubt that all these manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► will will you know tell you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► will say jump and they will say how high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► mr. Apple whatever you want they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► really killing themselves rappers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► business is a prestige business there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► lots of volume it just has many positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► effects these companies they want apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► business and they're just get you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► those meetings with Apple that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► Apple negotiate such great deals with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► them because Apple is in a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► negotiating position but I also believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► those companies will say anything to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► the contract and then we'll do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► they will try to get away whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► can get away with if Apple says we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► going to have random inspections and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► stuff I guess it's all about all yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Apple ID we're doing everything you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► and then totally lying through your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► teeth and doing the opposite exploiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► workers making them work overtime hiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► on everything everything that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► companies have been accused of I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► like they are doing simply because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► corruption is rampant in China in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► general there is no great oversight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► it's not a free country where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► have this type of oversight on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► everything the manufacturers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► incentivized to do what Apple says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► they're incentivized to make Apple think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► they're doing what they say and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► sometimes the easiest way to do that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► to actually do what they say but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► these these people are not acting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► good faith and Apple's own reports about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► how the compliance shows that over years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► and years their compliance is not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► getting much better and that's with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► apples inspections I don't even think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► apples inspections or even finding all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► the problems that are there because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► think these companies are excellent at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► hiding the things that they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► wrong uh and so what do you do if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► manufacturers that are out there do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► really want them to do the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► you have this code of conduct and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► they're just simply not complying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► you say well just don't manufacture in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► China and you know manufacturing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► United States and said as many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► have talked about on various programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► and in the New York Times it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► the cost of labor it's not like oh if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► you had to pay American workers it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► cost more it's the supply chains that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► all the manufacturers are in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► place it's that all the factories are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► geographically in the same place so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► the parts are together so you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► to wait two weeks or something to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► a boat to get to you if Apple were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► move all this Manufacturing's United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► States so we just bumped across your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► iPhone 20% first of all even that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► be untenable because people would scream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► bloody murder and their sales would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► down their share would go down the stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► price will go down would be bad but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► ignoring that it would be a competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► disadvantage to them because all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► stuff would be someplace else and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► way if you just moved the final assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► the United States it still means all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► people making all the widgets in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► are still being exploited or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► I think Apple is doing the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► here it's not saying well forget we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► the right off China entirely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► these guys lied to us and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► manufacture every single piece of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► the United States at tremendous cost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► whatever and again it's not the labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► factories and the staffing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► people who oversee the factories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► it's a logistics nightmare that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► you know even if you said everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► comes to the United States and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► pick one state and everyone flocks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► that state you need thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► manufacturing engineers who don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► exist in the United States or exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► are employed and you have to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► all quit their jobs and it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► have to get these factories they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► be built and they cost billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► dollars to build it's not like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► just you know make snap your fingers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► possible to move all that stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► there that took decades to build up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► move it here they have the people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► geographically located near each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► so moving manufacturing out of China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► does not seem like an option to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► the only option is to try to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► the Chinese to say geez we'd really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► restrictions that we have and we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► really like it if you didn't lie to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► and we really like it if our random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► inspections were really random and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► year-over-year you got better and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► think Apple is applying pressure there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► but what can Apple do short of firing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► them that's their like Apple can't can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► you know Apple can move its business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► elsewhere to another company that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► exactly the same things in China with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► just you know it's not that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► that's all it can do to punish somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► is to put the business elsewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► Apple does spread its business around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► like some of it is what with money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► manufacture some with another mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► just for redundancy and to end to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► protect itself I really don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► Apple can do to be 100 percent sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► it's really causing them to change their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► ways and I feel for Apple in this regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► because they're big they're between a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► rock and a hard place because I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3957">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► believe the Apple not because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► altruistic but just from a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► perspective Apple does not want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► stuff to go on they don't want people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► working they send me lines till they die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► they don't want underaged people working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► there because it's all downside not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► upside there's plenty of able-bodied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► people there don't pay them overtime put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► it in a different worker on a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► shift and pay them normal time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► like it but know there's some people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► American life that the guy was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► that Apple brings us on by negotiating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► such harsh deals with the manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► so there's been so little profit left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► for them they have to cut corners to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► make their money again I say that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► the manufacturers don't put in a bid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► that you know you will have to exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► ah to comply with the terms of and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► what can I do there say look if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► bidding you have to comply with our code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► of conduct so keep that in mind and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► yes yes oh yeah we'll definitely comply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► here's our bid and so they pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► lowest bidder who has the best quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► standards and produces the best stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► and then those people exploit their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► workers and it's like well I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► all right you've lost the deal because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4018">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► you're not being compliant I'm gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► to the next guy and the next guy does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► I I think Apple this is a problem needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► to be addressed but I think Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► ability to make other companies in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► like literally make them do stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► very limited and I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► details of what they could be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► better or what they're not doing enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► or how they can change the situation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► I think it would be much easier to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► compliance from an American company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► simply because it's in America which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► slightly and and all the same laws apply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► and you'd be closer to them as just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► know so that's where I come down in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► everything that's happening there is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► uh but I'm I don't know enough to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► how much more Apple could be doing but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► do I do think their ability to snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► their fingers and make everything comply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► it's not as bad and by the way the meta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► point on this is that I think the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► who manufacture our underwear are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► probably in way worse conditions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► textile manufacturing like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► that we have this in our countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► manufactured in some third-world country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► by workers that are horribly exploited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► yeah but you know what I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► that people in general are holding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► sweatshops that make our clothing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► especially high regard and talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► how life-changing you know their sweater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► is and almost worshipping the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► that made their sweater I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► people don't but I'm saying that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► adoration and admiration by a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► people and and here it you know it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► whatever reason and I'm sure there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► there's a term for this II can remind me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► of but people everywhere love to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► something that is successful exposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► even if it's a company that they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► it's it's quite exciting to find great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► fault and some magical mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► exposed and say oh this company you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► thought was good that seemed to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► so much good whether it is or not I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► there really bad because look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► that they knew about and they hit it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► they're really are you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► really evil and all along we thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► they were good and everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► believed was wrong you know it's man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► bites dog vs. dog bites man one is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► story one's not so once you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► some company that everyone admires the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► story is that it's something bad once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► you've got if you've got a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► that's an underdog the story is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► actually they're good so yeah that flips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► when you ever you become a leader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► and by the way the thing this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► this gets all hung up and I'll bring in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► a vaguely political thing here as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► example because it's the example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► always think of the Iraq war going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► the big arguments against that even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► we thought all the evidence being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► presented was actually true and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► didn't know any better but even even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► you were to accept the evidence is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► you would say well alright so Saddam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► Hussein's a bad person who does bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► things to his people and this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► was true uh if we get rid of him like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► now we got it what do we got to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► get rid of everybody uh what is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► US policy every to every place every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► country that has a bad leader we go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► and overthrow that leader and put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► new one and fix the countries that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► a tenable policy and I never found that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► a compelling arguments against going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► compelling arguments against going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► but that particular argument was yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► doing this would be good but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► many other things that are just as bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► and if we don't fix all of them it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► worth fixing one so that's the argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► kind of like the people who make my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► underwear are are working in horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► conditions therefore we shouldn't fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► working conditions in China there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► there are situations in the world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► the same bad thing is happening in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► different places and fixing one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► is still good even if you can't fix all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► the other ones so anyone you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► comes up all the time and argument stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► anyways it was probably a term for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► but I don't know what either that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► shouldn't do this because if you do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► and you don't do that same thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► shouldn't do that be doing one good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► thing is better than doing zero good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► things so I don't think the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► everyone who manufactures all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► stuff is working in conditions that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► American would want are picking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► fruit for that matter anything even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► those workers who have it worse than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► do addressing one of those situations is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► is not something we shouldn't do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► well if you address that one there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► still all these other people what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► the people that pick the strawberries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► what about the people that make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► t-shirts what about the people be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► assembled in Nikes but that's true of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► all those people ah but if we can fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► in one place I think China is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► place to try simply because they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► clearly like on their road to middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► class like you know China 50 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► people are on farms right and mud huts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► or whatever and now they're working in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► factory where the working conditions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► something that no American would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► but it's you know and I'm not even gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► say they're happier than they were when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► they were on the farms but it's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► on the path you can see the progression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► for that to living in the city to out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► you know saving some money to your kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► having a better life than you do we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► all any industrialized country sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► been through this and gone through their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► own sort of industrial resolution where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► the kids are getting ground-up into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4322">TS</a>]
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01:12:07 ◼ ► starts right you know like every country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► has gone through this and it is painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4329">TS</a>]
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01:12:11 ◼ ► through and we were kind of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► ones us in England and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► first world quote-unquote so like we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► know where the ending is come with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► we'll skip B to the end but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► like it's very difficult to get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► other countries to skip to the end but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► China at least like there's a rising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► certainly a rising upper class of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► crazy rich people in China but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► a rising middle class but like lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► probably easier to get something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► happen in China than it is like go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► Bangladesh or something and try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► those people to skip from I literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► looking in mud huts to you know having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► car in an iPhone themselves so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► basically you know this as you pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► out this is a story because it's a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► by dog story and just things make good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► stories when they're you know when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► unexpected or the opposite of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4376">TS</a>]
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01:12:59 ◼ ► the expensive products that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► loves that everyone thinks is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► they're manufactured into a rural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► country same thing with Nike by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► because Nike had a such image back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► the Michael Jordan days it's like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4388">TS</a>]
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01:13:11 ◼ ► manufactured by poor people and horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4391">TS</a>]
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01:13:19 ◼ ► not not an apple problem it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► technology problem it's not a China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► problem this is a world problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► there's any quality and wealth in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► world and on every possible level in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► every pot even within the country you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► know that this this problem exists so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► this story quickly becomes so large the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4412">TS</a>]
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01:13:36 ◼ ► about it so I think it's good that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► has that and for the record I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4417">TS</a>]
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01:13:42 ◼ ► Apple's doing Apple's trying to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► some companies aren't trying to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4424">TS</a>]
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01:13:54 ◼ ► question like why didn't Apple dress the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► Sun around why they only doing it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► seemingly only doing it in response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► bad press starting in like 2003 early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► 2000s or whatever this is how the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► is supposed to work the press finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► things that are bad companies respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► of is that all at bad press this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► example of you know this companies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► motivated to just make as much money as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► they can even if they are altruistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► it's very easy to slip into doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► counterbalance of that the press in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► China perhaps less so because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► not quite as free as they are here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► write whatever they want about anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► so they out the whole of China I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► when we did discuss this briefly I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4463">TS</a>]
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01:14:28 ◼ ► from an agrarian society to the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► world while maintaining a dictatorship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4472">TS</a>]
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01:14:37 ◼ ► happen there and I think it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► nasty right and bad for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► including all of us who want our goods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► manufactured cheaply in China would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4480">TS</a>]
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01:14:46 ◼ ► good idea what would you like to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4486">TS</a>]
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01:14:53 ◼ ► read about BBEdit but your mom you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► used BBEdit longer I think even than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► John Gruber which is longer than anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► else that I know yeah every working day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► of my life including when I was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► almost full-time in my last year of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► college I would go to work every day sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► down in front of a Macintosh brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► computer and type into BBEdit and long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► before I was working I was using BBEdit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► on my you know for did you do to my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► to do everything that having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► my schoolwork I've used BBEdit since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► probably version to 2.5 ish somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► maybe 2.5 it is by far my favorite text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► editor on any system and yes I've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► the Emacs and VI and VI m or vim if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► and it literally had still has more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► Emacs has more features than I have ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► seen there are still features in beabea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► that I do not know exist that I discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► I think only like a few years ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► discovered that BB edit has multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► clipboards in the application I'd used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► it for at that point like a decade and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► half and I didn't know that and to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► day I didn't know that did you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► has his own native support for multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► clipboards and the best time to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► this is when I found was like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► before I had a system-wide a global [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► clipboard manager on then like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► copied something but then you copied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► something else and you over wrote the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► thing that you copy like oh no I lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► that data no you didn't it's actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► beheaded he kept track of it and bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► up the clipboard window hit ctrl left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► hour or whatever it is to go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► clipboard history and there it is best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► moment ever and bb-8 is full of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► like that and for an application that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► been around as long as BBEdit has they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► continue to modernize it continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► update it they they recently redesigned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► their Preferences window which had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► the same forever you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► about this applications like Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► cs6 it continues to evolve don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► this is an application you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► load it and think this looks like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► made in 1992 it doesn't it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► modern application and it gets more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► modern everyday reshuffling where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► are adding support things like Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► where you can put your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► support folder in the Dropbox folder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► all your scripts and customizations or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► syncs between them it's like iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► before iCloud so I cannot recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4611">TS</a>]
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01:16:57 ◼ ► editing on the Mac even if you say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► well I like to write in like by word or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► something where you write your prose or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► whatever there is a role for BBEdit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► everybody's life even if you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► programmer for just a plain text better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► people don't know what a text editor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► it's a text editor it's not styled text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► it's not page layout it is literally for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► doing text and and if any of you are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► programmer or something you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► definitely have this it will handle your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► giant 10 megabyte Apache log files you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► can search through them into search or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► in place you can process the lines sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► the lines for a full perl grep regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► expressions support it is power tool for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► text I don't know what the actual ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► recommend this product highly enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► it's better than in the ad copy I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4657">TS</a>]
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01:17:41 ◼ ► comm you can go to bare-bones comm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► which is what I recommend you do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4667">TS</a>]
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01:17:58 ◼ ► yeah I can't believe that I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► buying BBEdit since it was like triple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► digit prices like SBB I used to be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► more expensive and I guess since like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► the advent of the Mac App Store and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► readjustment of pricing I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► what it is that caused the prices to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► down it used to be like you do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► upgrade for like 70 bucks like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► bought it you bought it for 125 or 130 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► and then like oh I get to upgrade to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► next major version 417 you feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► was a great deal I get the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► for only 70 bucks I don't have to buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► again for 120 now you get the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► it is unbelievably cheap unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► cheap then get it there you can get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► the App Store to search for bebe in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► so try it out yeah and it's made in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► well Rhode Island I mean America I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► know if that counts a little bit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► little bit more more it's more America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► than Florida for sure yeah I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► that's all I had for my stuff here what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► have you got for me well you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► thinking about it all week long and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► actually was gonna spray if you hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► talked about the Mike Daisey thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► was going to be the thing that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► going to spring on you know no you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► you hit it so that was a you know on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► list of big topics for the week I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► wondering if you wanted to go into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► little bit of detail at all well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► know if I have time for it about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► progressive jpg thing the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► basically he he discovered that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► are some issues where you know of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► you and we have time for this we say for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► that why don't we save it for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► but that's a big topic a whole table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► well it can I have only read a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► bit about this at least tell me this if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► you've read more than I have has bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► satisfaction whether this is a bug or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► decision it seems at least from what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► read and I'll tell you what I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► ahead and I'll put this into the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► notes so people who want to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► and learn more about what we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► about a friend of a friend of mine James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► Duncan Davidson he's a photographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► he was very curious about getting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► to look good photographs in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► on the retina display because obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► if you have just a regular exported for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► the web style image 72 dpi type image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► it's it might not look that great on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► retina display when you're browsing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► around on the web so yes you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► double the size of the image which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► designers and developers have done but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► it turns out that there's a WebKit limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► on retina JPEG images and he ran into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► this and he he goes into great detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► explaining these different tests and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► what's actually happening but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► interesting part is what happens if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► pixel double an image that gets too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► it doesn't actually display it properly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► at all so there's there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► conversation about this but what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► the answer is apparently is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► need to use a progressive jpg in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► to make things work correctly and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► says okay he says rotate to landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► orientation and tap the image and wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► for a second or three and maybe a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► longer for the high-res image to load he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► says and then here is an image that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► looks you know amazing and and looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► really good on the retina display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► compared to the other one and anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► this is a topic I'd like for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► weigh in on but maybe I can do a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► homework first yeah I think right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► know but it seems like a bug because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► fact that it works with pings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► doesn't work with JPEGs but works to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► progressive jpgs I think I saw one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► the report of saying like it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► not a hard size limit if you go above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► that limit but your multiple 16 in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► dimension that it works oh that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► does sound like it does this all sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► like a bug but I think the the meta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► problem is so you got these double res [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► displays now we've had it for a while in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► now we have it on the iPad and for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► reason when it was on the iPhone people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► weren't so concerned about like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► got to put double size images on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► web pages all look bad but from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► I've seen I haven't seen still haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► seen an iPad 3 in person but from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► I've seen people taking pictures of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► it really is true that if you take a 9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► retina image like a regular image that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► supposed to show as 500 by 5 inches on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► an iPad 2 and you show that exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► same size 5 inches by 5 inches on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► iPad 3 without increasing the resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► any and it may Purcell for example for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► every pixel on the iPad 2 screen 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► pixels appear on the iPad 3 screen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► really does look worse ones pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► anyway I haven't seen in person and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► seems counter trip like isn't it exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► the same thing what do I care if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► for white pixels versus one white pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► shouldn't they look exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► like how could it possibly look worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► it's not worse the exact same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► information is being fed to the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► and on the screen those 4 pixels are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► exactly the same size as the one pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► why does it look worse my theories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► having not seen this in person my theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► is that it looks worse because one white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► pixel when you do the ratio of how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► of the area of that one white pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► emits light versus how much doesn't emit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► light on the retina display there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► non light-emitting areas you've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► decreases you know the lower of gaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► between each pixel and the gaps between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► the pixels there and that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► theorizing that it does look worse but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► in all the pictures people have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► photos of their iPad 2 and 3 screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► it's dramatic the difference between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► same exact picture on the 3 & 2 screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► when you don't have something that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► added information for the Retina display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► perhaps just as dramatic if you do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► Retina information than the iPad 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► screen looks like crap so suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► people are very very motivated to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► good looking images in and the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► WebKit and Safari report to the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► that the screen is exactly the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► as the iPad 2 so it's not as if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► you can do detection and say ah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► it's that's why it displays them in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► blurry type fashion it says up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► 400 pixels I will show it an 800 pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► but don't tell anyone I'm still it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► still 400 pixels here yeah to the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► one if you want to do that I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► was a webpage that reference this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► just just give it the 800 pixel image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► but in the image tag put this the demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► the width and height is 400 yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► the most barbaric way to just at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► get this to worse but then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► feeding everybody a double size image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► whether they need it or not I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► could do this for years I remember back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► in the day that practice was heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► member why that practice was ever leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► around because bandwidth was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► commodity and everybody's connection was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► so slow so you'd be sending them an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► image that was way bigger than anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► could ever hope to display and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► costing them time and money in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► process but the biggest reason you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► that was true that we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► we're talking big we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► like oh you are you sending a 400 by 500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► image that's too big you can't wait to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► use this thing but the the main reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► that I always avoided in the my web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► pages was because in Internet Explorer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► they were using like nearest-neighbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► scaling and it looked all at dalek IE so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► like the Mac versions would always scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5098">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► you know you you would have a page of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► thumbnails and all those thumbnails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► versions but width and height set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► differently on the image tags and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► it'll be a big bandwidth hog and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► know you take a while to download but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► least the Mac would shrink them and do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► reasonable job of shrinking them but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► IE they would look like these scrambled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► pieces a mess it was just untenable as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► web practice because everyone was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► high E and ie refused to scale nowadays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► all browsers pretty much scale images in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► a way that wouldn't make you embarrassed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► to have it on your web page so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► in theory serve up at you know an 800 by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► 407 height to you know 400 by 200 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► but the only thing you're doing there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► you're still wasting bandwidth and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► that images are so much larger the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► bandwidth is still concerned because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► suddenly the big version our images are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► really humongous Peschel ii-if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► ping and something that doesn't have as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► much lossy compression as a JPEG or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► bandwidth that you're feeding especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► to mobile people so there are various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► ways to get around that of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► can use JavaScript if you wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► anything with JavaScript you can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► use CSS media queries to say serve you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► know to not set the image in the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► tag but set it as a background image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► product property and then use media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► queries to select the what is it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► WebKit resolution this this various a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► vendor specific media queries that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► can do within the CSS and say only apply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► this rule if screen has a has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► particular pixel density or this these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► dimensions or whatever and then ah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► only loads the image appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► that particular screen but it's tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► if not as simple as just changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► something inside the gen image tag you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► they have to use CSS or you have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► JavaScript and both of them have little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► peak area peculiarities about them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► wonder if this is like a transitional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► about these things but eventually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► wouldn't you assume eventually that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► screens will be a similar density [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► they'll all be around 260 300 pixels per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► inch for some period of time yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► I maybe I'm naive thinking that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► seems to me that will eventually happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► and then it won't be you know then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► won't be a matter of oh I gotta figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► out what I have to serve to what device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► or whatever we'll just always be serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► the high-density one because everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► is high-density like one you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► kind of weird that it started with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► phone but like your phone was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► highest density square we had and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► it's your iPad eventually it will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► to the Mac it's coming the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► direction that people thought to like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► technology will trickle down from the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► sort of like people say technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► trickles down from PC gaming to console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► gaming well this advanced technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► will triple down for the PC into our our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► tablets and eventually into our phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► nope it's going to reverse on our phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► first then it makes sense from a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► manufacturing perspective because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► fancy of the screen the harder it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► make it big so you can make that screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► it's super high density first that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► much easier than making a panel that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► you know eight times as big and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► going all the up to a thirty-year screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► so that's how we're going but I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► eventually this won't be an issue simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► because all of our screens will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► around this density and then maybe we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► have a nice calm period and then they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► go up to like sixteen hundred dots per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► inch or something when we're old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► gray yeah this is this is a time a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► of bugs let's call it I'm calling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► one a bug for now and I'm assuming it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► will be addressed in some way but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► without the bugs there are things web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► developers as always as always there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► things web develop new things Web Design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► to continue to practice their craft at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► the top level that's always been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► dentally god that's all I got did we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► out that's not a bad one I'm way short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► unusual there you go I follow people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► people who didn't get enough of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► always follow you on twitter Syracuse si [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► RA CU s a they can read your 85 page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► review of Mac OS 10 lion at ARS technica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► and your other pieces there and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► hear all the previous episodes of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► show going to five by five TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► hypercritical you'll notice that all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► the links and things that were discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► collected and organized by John and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► can find those there in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► just click on the episode in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► this one's episode 60 we want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► thanks to the guys at help spot.com the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpmlTjVc/5350">TS</a>]
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