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this is hypercritical weekly talkshow
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ruminating on exactly what is wrong in
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the world of Apple and related
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technologies and businesses
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nothing is so perfect that it cannot be
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eradicated liquidated and exterminated
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by my co-host John siracusa i'm dan
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benjamin today is Friday March 16th this
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is episode number 59 we'd like to thank
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tell you more about them as the show
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progresses hello Jon siracusa load and
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Benjamin big day for you today iPad day
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everybody in your family new iPad
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arrives today no new iPads in this house
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yesterday I got my new Apple TV though
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oh cool so well I'm sure you'll have a
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lot to say about that
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yes we will talk about the excellent but
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first oh okay good crop this week I
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should practice my name pronunciations
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for the show the first one right off the
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bat I'm in trouble
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cereal goat Froy oppa did a good job but
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that has pointed me to a ZFS time
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machine implementation so it's a bunch
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of command line scripts that leverage
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the FS to do something like what Time
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Machine does so you're sending backup
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from one ZFS pool to another using that
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incremental block differences that I
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talked about in one of the past shows
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and deleting old backups as you go so
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people are building their own time
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machine Apple using tens complement ZFS
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on Mac OS 10 and their own meager Perl
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skills to slap together some scripts to
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try to do something better than what
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happens with time machine so it's good
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to see the geeks taking the ball and
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running within there Jonathan Sutter was
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the first person to write in to tell us
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that the always show tab bar preference
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that we were looking for in vain on the
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last podcasting Safari is actually in
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the view menu and so far as probably
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where it always was is I just miss
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remembering and maybe it was Firefox
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that idea we showed to have bar
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checkmarks and preferences but if you go
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the view menu there is a item called
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show tab bar and sure enough if you
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activate that on Safari five point two
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one big giant honking tab comes down
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yeah be activated on Safari five point
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one one small tab comes down ah I still
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don't know anyone who runs with that on
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like who wants to see the tab bar all
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the time I just want to see it when
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there's more than one tab so maybe the
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effect is somewhat jarring for people if
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to see it shift slightly I don't I have
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no idea I have no idea what anybody
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would run that it might change your
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window size either I don't know people
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have different purposes but anyway
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that's where it is and it's off by
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default I think so yes
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Justin Scholes so plans like a wonderful
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vacation place Justin Scholes yeah
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pointed me to a 1080p version of the
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Apple Keynote podcast scream did I talk
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about this already some my podcast and
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tweets are blending together I'm pretty
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sure I tweeted about this but I didn't
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mention this on the past podcast right I
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don't recall it but it's probably worth
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mentioning again because there's a lot
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of people who would like this yeah so
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I'm always looking for the the
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highest-quality version of whatever
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Apple's event video video whatever event
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Apple just did so in this case it would
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be the introduction of the new iPad they
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had that video event which we couldn't
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see live but we could see the live blogs
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and then shortly after the event Apple
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puts a video of it they put it on their
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website but if you want a downloadable
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copy of it you can subscribe in iTunes
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to apples podcast feed I think it's just
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called Apple events and there are three
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versions of it this the plain one
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there's one called HD and now there's
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one called 1080p and 1080p one has just
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what it says a big gigantic 1080p
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version some people on Twitter asking me
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why why do I want the 1080p version of
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this why do I want this thing at all why
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do I care about the quality didn't I
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just watch this keynote I'd like to have
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sort of backup copies of this stuff
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because I refer back to them sometimes
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years later so I try to save all of the
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videos of all of the Apple events
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because I'm writing something three
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years from now on I see hey well what
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did what they actually say at the iPad
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introduction and trying to go by your
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memory or by googling for stories on it
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is difficult I like to have the original
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source material there and why do I need
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the big giant highest quality source
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material like well I'm going to be
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saving something any
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why why don't I save the ice quality
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version now because sometimes you want
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to read something on a screen in a
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screenshot now at this point the 1080p
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may actually be like a stretched version
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and it was only recorded in 720 it's
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hard to tell like the 1080 does look a
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little soft in areas and so it's like
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how much more information are you really
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getting over the regular HD one would
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just closer to 720 I think I just like
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having the best quality version
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available so I figure it can't hurt and
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yet it's humongous and it's like 5
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gigabytes to download this video but I'm
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going a lot of hard drive space and when
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I run out of space then I'll worry about
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it but what are we up next smoke
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detector my smoke detector so it left
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less last podcast we talked a lot about
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this talking smoke detector I got and
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the problems I had with it activating
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itself which was eventually tracked to
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the IR sensor and some possible source
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of IR many people questioned my
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hypothesis that something in the
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neighbor's house was triggering it I
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don't have proof of that all I know is
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there is line-of-sight right into like a
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room that I know people are going to see
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the lights going on and off so through
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glass with no drapes or anything there
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is actually a line of sight from the
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smoke detector to that window but there
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are many other sources of IR within the
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house ok people are saying that
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fluorescent lights can sometimes give
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off high hours of all sorts of things
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like that I know it's not in line of
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sight of any of my television remotes
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and none of my television remotes are
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even pointed towards it but
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experimentation determined that yes
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really really does activate by IR I can
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take my own remote pointed the thing and
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hit it and watch it go on so I know that
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does it and I know it was going on by
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itself when there was no smoke or co2
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available so that's the best theory I
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have now many people rode in and we did
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and told me why don't you just tape over
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the IR sensor that's why I would have
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liked to do that but the IR sensor it's
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buried too deep within this thing and
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it's got vents and slats all around it
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so since I don't know where the IR is
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coming from or what it's bouncing off of
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I would have to cover all of the vents
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and slats with tape and then at that
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point I've disabled the smoke detector
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because I'm pretty sure those vents are
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important for the smoke to get in to be
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detected so I didn't want to mess with
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it it's not probably not a good idea to
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mess with your smoke detector in that
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way but shortly after the show Matthew
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we did to me that he knows how to
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disable the IR sensor and he sent me in
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the tweet there's like a picture of a
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webform or something with someone
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quoting from the user manual so I looked
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at my user manual and I said ah because
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I had looked in there I said this got to
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be way too disabled as IR sensor and I
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couldn't find it and then I'm like maybe
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I'm just not finding it because my
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visual grep is not good you ever find
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yourself staring at a piece of paper and
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reaching for the /ki like you're looking
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at something less than you want to do a
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search nearly always oh yeah there's no
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search in real life so I pulled up a PDF
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of the manual by the way this is one of
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the great uses of the internet / nerds
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who may be listening to this and you
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don't know about this you can find
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pretty easily a PDF version of the paper
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manual for almost any home appliance you
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would think ah who's going to have a PDF
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of my of my smoke detector online that
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that's you know all you need is like the
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model number you just got to write the
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exact model number maybe they make and
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then manual then do in your Elko and PDF
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or just type PDF you will find believe
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it or not PDF versions of the manual for
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all your appliances almost all I don't
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know where they come from I don't know
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if there's one particular site to look
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forward just type it into Google you'll
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find it and sure enough I found a PDF
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version of my exact smoke detector I
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open that in preview and did a search
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and it was um it was actual text it's
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not one of those PDFs it's just like a
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giant TIFF image of the thing you've
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seen those ones those you can't search
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on but this was actual searchable text
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and I searched again for the text that
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was there anything haven't do the
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disable or IR or the exact text or the
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thing so I couldn't find it so somehow I
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have a smoke detector whose manual does
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not tell you how to disable the IR
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sensor but the instructions that Matthew
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Copsey posted to me actually did work
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and for the people who might happen to
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have this smoke detector or another one
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the secret was take out the batteries
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they're in like the sliding battery
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compartment where you snap the things
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into the battering apartment you sort of
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slide shut like a drawer so pull out the
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little battery drawer hold down the one
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button that's on this thing which is the
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silence test whatever a combination
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Luber button hold down the button and
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then shove the drawer in while you're
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holding down the button and it will make
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a little trip like Boop and and then it
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doesn't say anything to say I are
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disabled or anything but then I tested
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it by taking my remote and shooting it
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all over the thing and I could not make
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it go up so now the
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talking smoke detector is in its the
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place where we've planned to put it we
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have not had many false alarm since last
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week and I'm pretty confident that this
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way of disabling the IR sensor actually
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works so thank you Matthew for that and
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for other people worried about smoking
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talk to us smoke detectors talking smoke
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detectors there is hope even if you have
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an IR sensor to safely disable it
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oh and Kelly in New Zealand are brought
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to tell me that they have smoke
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detectors there that allow you to
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trigger it by shining a strong light at
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the alarm as he says this is crazy
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making as there doesn't seem to be any
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predictability about what Delta and
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light level triggers it it's always a
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good time when it goes off when
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that goes out just from from shining a
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light on it that seems like a terrible
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I don't know if that's like New Zealand
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mandated or just something someone came
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up with Greg burns the own wrote in to
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give me suggestions on how to solve my
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issues with the smart cover I said that
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if I get a new iPad which I probably
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will eventually I will probably get the
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smart cover for it I have complaints
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about it but overall I like it and one
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of my complaints was that one of the
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smart cover is open when I flap it
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around to the back it doesn't sort of
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stick to the back that well and it's
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like how do what do you do with this
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thing that's on the back I said I didn't
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like folding it up but when it's flat a
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little last thing flaps down it's kind
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of annoying so he says when I just take
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it off take it off entirely when you're
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not using I have a couple of problems
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with that the first one is or where do I
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put it when I take it off I don't like
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now I have two things that to keep track
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of and remember not to leave behind and
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just finding some place to set it down
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you know it's just it's inconvenient I'm
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thinking of the time when I use the iPad
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the most was the WWC last year I used it
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like you know hours a day everyday and
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you just want to have that iPad on your
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lap and you want to be I was typing on
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it believe it or not taking notes and I
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don't want to have to find somewhere in
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the little chairs they give you to sit
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of WotC sessions a show of my thing
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Allah put it back in my backpack but
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then I go take it out of my backpack and
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put it back on and slowly thoughts oh I
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don't want to deal with that the second
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problem is that the little hinge thing
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is the little magnet hinge thingies that
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clip on to your iPad those are made of
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metal they have pretty sharp edges and
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you have to be pretty careful when you
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put that on not to like
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you see people do where they they take
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off the smart cover comes off and they
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try to put it back on it flaps under the
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screen those metal things clack against
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the grille glass in the front of your
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iPad maybe they're not going to scratch
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it but I know they can scratch the
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aluminum back on it and you know the one
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back will someone who cares of a scratch
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I don't like the idea of those metal
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things clacking around and I don't have
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to be so careful to make sure that I
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take it off peel it off carefully and
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then put it back on I don't like that
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process of taking it off putting Drive
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it makes me uncomfortable to have metal
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clacking against metal or metal clacking
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against glass or to have to worry about
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that and then he says when you're
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holding that when you use the iPad while
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holding it in your hand the Smart Cover
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has no purpose and should be removed I
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think it does have a purpose I think the
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very important purpose and one of the
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reasons I like the Smart Cover is that
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when it's flapped around to the back
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like that it vastly increases the the
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coefficient of friction of the iPad and
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your leg or whatever thing that you're
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on so if you have that smooth luminal
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glass back resting on your knees it's
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very easy for it sort of skitter off or
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if you're just you're laying down with
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your knees up or whatever doesn't stay
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up there but the microfiber back of that
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of the Smart Cover that's normally on
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the screen is very very grippy so you
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put that on any sort of fabric or
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whatever
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it gives sort of a it keeps the iPad
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from sliding around and makes it feel
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much more secure especially when you're
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typing so you don't your leg muscles
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aren't tensed as you're trying to keep
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this thing poised on your lap exactly
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that the friction really helps so I'll
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still be getting a Smart Cover and I
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still don't have a great solution for
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these few annoyances
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what I guess the best solution would
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probably be for Apple to put
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super-strong magnets in the back of the
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iPad to pair up with the ones in the in
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the cover when it flaps backwards the
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main they do have magnets there now is
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just that they're not quite up to the
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task of keeping it stuck the light
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especially that last flap stuck to the
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thing but I'm sure there's not a lot of
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room to spare on the iPad and this is
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probably not high in their list of
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tweaks to make the real tweak they
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should make that smart cover I didn't
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mention this last time is that that
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microfiber stuff that they have inside
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the screen where you you know you put it
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on your screen and it cleans your screen
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automatically that actually does clean
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your screen but it only cleans your
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screen where it makes contact and since
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the Smart Cover is like foldable until
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origami shapes with the little triangle
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and stuff there are thin regions and
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those thin regions don't touch the
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screen so it cleans the Smart Cover
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it cleans your screen except for these
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little stripes you've probably seen this
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on your iPad anyone who has a Smart
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Cover you can tell just by looking at
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their iPad because their screen is
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unevenly clean this clean area and a
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dirty stripe a clean area than dirty
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stripe and clean area than dirty stripe
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I always thought that the whole cleaning
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thing was a little bit of propaganda I
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never feel like it's cleaning the screen
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at all do you have a Smart Cover on your
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iPad course so to go grab your iPad open
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the Smart Cover now and then hold it in
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the light so you can see you know the
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differences in textures or whatever you
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will see that it's clean it actually is
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cleaning or at the very least it's like
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like lawn mowing pushing the blades all
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in one direction in a particular pattern
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such that you can see stripes you can
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see here's with a big pad where the
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Smart Cover pad went down and here's the
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joint and the Smart Cover where it
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hinges if you happen it a readily
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accessible take a look now I think
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you'll see this and this is a common
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thing when people first got Smart Covers
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they said oh it leaves weird stripes it
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does I guess it's better than not
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cleaning it at all uh what if you were
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just slide instead of most people lift
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the smart cover off what if you need to
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slide it across while applying pressure
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to the bottom yeah I've tried various as
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an obsessive compulsive person I've
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tried various techniques it like maybe I
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just shift it back and forth with my
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fingers like back again you don't you
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never quite make it all the way to clear
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off those areas I also I'm also
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concerned that like so this microfiber
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thing is cleaning the screen and it's
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obviously what's on the screen is oils
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from your fingers and stuff well those
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all from your fingers have to go
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somewhere the cleaning thing doesn't
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make it disappear so that means the oil
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is going from the screen into the little
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microfiber cover and long-term I don't
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like the end game of that that's
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Americans having a finger oil soaked
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Smart Cover attached I guess then you
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just buy a new one for 30 bucks or
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whatever uh-huh so yes humans are filthy
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disgusting creatures that exude oils
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soiling these beautiful Apple products
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sound like the holiday insane
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holographic doctor from that episode of
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Star Trek there are so many sci-fi shows
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that have assemblers but it's true it's
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true I mean it can can you imagine if
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you were if you were like a species from
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another planet or some sort of
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artificial intelligence looking down at
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the earth and seeing that we were these
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these creatures that as far as they're
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concerned you're just constantly
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emitting vapors and liquids and that
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we've created these devices to help us
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act with digital data but we we shove
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our like meaty greasy paws against them
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to get ugly bags of mostly water as
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you're famous for saying or meet the
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great internet yeah baby
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they're made of your no W they're made
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of me that's a classic I did I should
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find that with the show notes it's a
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good one yeah okay what do we have next
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Jasper teal is my guinea pig for the
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continuing aggravation with the iPad not
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having a number
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he wrote a pretty long email sort of
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capturing all the issues people out with
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it and in a nice succinct form so you
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know how our friends supposed to tell
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each other which device they have how I
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supposed people supposed to identify the
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device on ebay he points out that owning
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a particular model number as a matter of
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pride this reminded me of as many things
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do the car world which I'm also which
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are also far followed very closely and
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have I guess have a whole car were
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longer than now not longer than max
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probably bad at I so in the world of
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luxury cars this this whole problem of
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how do I tell what model I have or do I
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take pride in having a new or better
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version of a car than someone else this
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has always been something they've
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struggled with I'm not talking about
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across brands like oh I have a Honda and
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you have a Buick and I feel superior for
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whatever reason I'm saying within a
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brand one one commonly referred to
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example this is when Honda made the
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Acura brand Acura is the luxury marque
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of the Honda car company they didn't
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want to call it Honda because people
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don't want to spend fifty thousand
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dollars for Honda but if you get a
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different name than then they'll buy it
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so when the when the Acura line was
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first launched one of its I think its
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its main flagship car was called the
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legend the Acura Legend do you remember
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that car mm not really
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well you know the car person anyway him
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like it was just a Honda car but is very
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fancy and had fancy interior but that
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was their top of the line car and they
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sold a lot of Acura legends because the
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Acura was a good idea Honda had good the
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reliability and people liked Honda's
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and luxury cars have better margins so
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make this Acura brand and sell this car
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called the legend which is our
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top-of-the-line four-door sedan and
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people really like that but the problem
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was that people really liked the Acura
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Legend and so people would say I've got
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a legend oh yeah let's go let's go take
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my legend it was a good name but nobody
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was saying Acura no one would ever say I
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have an Acura and when you're trying to
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launch a car brand like Acura that was
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sort of manufactured out of thin air
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from an existing car company you really
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want to establish accurate means luxury
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know so this is why they came out with
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like the TL and yeah so uh so eventually
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Acura said we can't keep giving our cars
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catchy names the acura integra you never
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heard of that oh yeah the acura legend
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say do you associate these names with
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luxury they'd say like Mercedes and
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rolls-royce but you'd say Acura and it
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legends and it was the top-of-the-line
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cars was their flagship so they said we
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got to stop naming our cars don't give
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them names like integrin legend give
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them things that are not as memorable
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so the Acura Integra becomes the Acura
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RSX you've got the TL and the what are
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they called now they went with with
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numbers but oh go to the current Acura
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actually the vanguard of that was always
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called the NSX and what they're trying
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name accurate because the alphabet soup
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think enough that soup of letters is
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still kind of catchy because when you
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say NSX people know what you're talking
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about our car people do anyway but TL is
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kind of boring so people sell you know
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which cars euros mine's the Acura you're
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not going to tell someone who's looking
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for your car in a parking lot what
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particular letters are on the badge
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you're just going to say accurate and
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that gives more brand awareness to Acura
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Mercedes in my life too many way he's
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always done this Mercedes were always
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maybe a letter and then just a bunch of
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numbers and the numbers used to be
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really very obscure same with BMW so
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Mercedes had a letter and then 580 320
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whatever and BMW had 325 335 people want
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some sort of classification though so
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Mercedes has the C Class C Class S Class
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SSL you know on up to to to sort of
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segment their line but if you say I have
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a Mercedes they'll probably find it biz
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that look for the big Mercedes thing and
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when you say I have a Mercedes c-class
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maybe they'll look for the C at the
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beginning but most non car nerds don't
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know what those numbers mean after the
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you know the letters in a Mercedes and
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it various times they've meant either
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nothing or there's supposed to be an
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engine displacement or they're supposed
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to mean engine displacement but they're
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actually not accurate because the engine
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displacement is actually you know 298
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but they put a 300 on it because it
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looks like a nice round number
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it's a but it's forces people to say
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I've got a BMW or I've got a Mercedes or
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I've got a BMW 3-series or I've got a
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video mw5 series they're not going to
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say I have a BMW 535i xqp J you know
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that they're pushing people away from
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using that as an identifier ah one
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interesting side effect of this in the
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in the 80s I don't know this still goes
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on is that Mercedes had has s-class
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which is business top-of-the-line
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four-door sedan and they had the the 600
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series which were the ones with v12 she
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had the SL 600 and the S 600 and if you
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bought a Mercedes especially if you were
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shopping in that type of price range you
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would want people to think you had the
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fancy one because externally this is
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another thing Mercedes did especially
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back then externally all the Mercedes
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would look the same the only difference
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would be a badge on the back or what
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number it says so this is you know s 350
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which was a quarter or half the price of
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the the S 600 so there was an
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aftermarket for buying badges that said
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s 600 and they would scrape off your s
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350 badge and put on your s 600 badge
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wouldn't change your car at all but when
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people saw it parked somewhere they
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liked this gun can afford a $90,000
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Mercedes v12 versus merely a $50,000
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you know b6 I don't know if they ever
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made a v6 S Class probably a v8 or
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whatever it was and those prices
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probably are treks this was in the 80s
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so that's a struggle they have they want
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brand awareness they want to segment it
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but they don't want people obsessing
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over the little things so apples going
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through the struggle now I think where
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they want people to want the new iPad or
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whatever but they don't want people to
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be comparing on specs and saying I've
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got up a former 7 750 and you've got a
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performer 6 100 CD so mine is the that's
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that's too much
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and with the iMac some people say that's
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too little because they just say iMac
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and known as any idea what's in them and
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you just you just measuring it by screen
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size or something like that so jasper
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goes on to say the question of why
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computing devices like max and power
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books he says power books must be
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old-school don't need a model numbers so
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the first the first part of his answer
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is he thinks they should have model
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numbers for exactly the same reasons
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that you can't tell what you have you
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can't compare them it's very confusing
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but then he goes on to say well why why
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did they have been able to get away with
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not having part numbers for so long for
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the iMac or whatever and he thinks
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that's because desktops and laptops
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years ago got to the point of being fast
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enough he's got fast enough in quotes
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and longtime listeners of the show
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should know what I'm going to say about
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that there's no such thing as fast
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enough not even close that never will be
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in the lifetime of anyone listening to
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this thing there is such a thing as
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feeling faster than a previous version
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and there is such a thing is not being
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so slow that it's unusable but there's
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no such thing as fast enough and the
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idea that somehow desktop computing is
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like wow does it really need to be any
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oh yeah needs to be faster it needs to
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be way away with as there and if you
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don't think it needs to be faster I
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invite you 10 years from now you know
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save your computer that you have now put
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it aside hermetically seal and then 10
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years from now go back and use that one
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that you thought was fast enough and see
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if it feels like you can get through the
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day using this device man feels fast
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enough at that point your phone will
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probably be a hundred times faster than
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this thing but you will say this so this
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is the computer you said was fast enough
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there's no reason for you to use a
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faster computer right just use this one
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it's fine no that's not how that's not
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how the world works so I don't think
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that's why they get away with not having
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part numbers that somehow people like
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iMac and iMac is an imac is an imac if
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an imac was an imac was an imac the imac
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that you buy now you would have no
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reason to replace in five years but i
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guarantee you in five years you a hot
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reason to replace that you might sell it
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just because of the screen or whatever
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but i'm using fast as I catch all here
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the idea is though the hardware is not
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that important yeah it's hardware is
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currently sufficient so they're not
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trying to sell you new iMac because the
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hardware is better I think they are
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trying to sell you an IMAP is the
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hardware is better but it'll be faster
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it will have a better screen it will
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have more
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it'll have more sensors that's that's
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hardware but if Apple has moved to what
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is essentially now about a yearly
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schedule for updates let's say they do
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that across the line we do this with
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cars you say oh you have a 2008 you know
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BMW whatever and that's it wouldn't
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wouldn't Apple be just as successful
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doing that saying well I have a 2012
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iPad or a 2013 I pad and long ago car
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company settled on the model year thing
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but model years have almost nothing to
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do with the calendar year almost
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entirely nothing to do with calendar
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year as people who follow the car market
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know because you could be ordering right
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now a 2013 model uh and you could have
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gotten 2012 models you know sometimes
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they're a year or sometimes more off of
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what that when you actually buy the car
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you could go to a card store right now
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and buy and for some makes a 2013 model
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and walk off the drive off the lot and
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it's not 2013 so what that means is that
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your app that's just the way they've
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chosen to you know this is the next
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iteration of this car and cars have the
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same to everything well a new Honda
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Accord will come out and they will
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iterate on that and Accord that same
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platform and body style maybe tweaking
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the bumpers tweaking the interior
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tweaking the options for several years
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and then a new one will come out but
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there's nothing differentiating those
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Honda Accords as far as the buyer is
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concerned except this one looks
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different than that one they don't say
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this is the fifth generation Accord even
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though car nerds know what generation
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Accord it is or car nerds know what
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generation the new BMW 3-series is but
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the branding is not here's the new
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platform for the BMW 3-series and the
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platform's have names but non car nerds
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don't know those names they just know I
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go into the BMW dealer and like here's
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the Sirius model here's last year's
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model that's the only thing the car
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dealer is probably going to talk to you
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about and if you're not a car nerd maybe
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you can say well why does that one look
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different than this one but they change
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the body styles from year two you really
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have to be a real car energy note so is
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this a different platform that one did
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they change the drivetrain is this the
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new generation of engine you know is
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this is this the someone in the chat
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room tell me what the current BMW
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platform is is it f34 the new 3-series
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this is the f30 or is this the whatever
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the past wasn't remember that one either
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he 96 or something like that those are
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terms that only have those are like the
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the exact they're not is not really a
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good equivalent in the computer world
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but those terms aren't known but regular
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customers and it's not a problem in the
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showroom it's just basically this year's
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car or last year cars is the newest one
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I get and if it's not and sometimes they
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change the body styles radically on the
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same platform with the same powertrain
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so you could say wow this car looks
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totally different than that and they
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must be completely different no maybe
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it's exactly the same platform exactly
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the same drivetrain they just put a
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different body on it and maybe change a
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little bit the interior and you can't
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tell so somehow the car market continues
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to function without massive consumer
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confusion and with everybody being happy
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with model years as you pointed out as
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the only way of saying is this a 2011
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BMW is this 2012 BMW with no indication
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in the public facing advertising that
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the 2012 BMW 3-series is an entirely
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different car more or less than the 2011
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even though they look very similar on
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selling the same when you don't upgrade
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it every single year so recently quicken
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annoyed by it dim-witted of Apple makes
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shows they're not they're not smart well
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this choice not to give the new iPad a
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prominent model number affect them my
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question is you know to assess whether
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apples really dim-witted whether they're
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making a mistake will it decrease sales
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people know there's a new iPad people
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lining up the store at them Apple is
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going to sell ton of them I really don't
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argument to say that if they had used
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model numbers it would have increased
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their sales I think their sales will be
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that ad on TV about the new iPad like I
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new iPad or not because if you bought
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your iPad sometime in the past and then
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you see a TV ad it says hey the new iPad
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you know yours isn't it and if three
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months from now you see an ad says hey
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the new iPads the first time you ever
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know that you got the new one because
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you're going to buy it you're going to
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go to the store you're going to talk to
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salespeople who will ask you is that the
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new one like I don't think there will be
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any customer confusion causing decreased
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sales or people accidentally buying the
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with Apple's retail presence where I
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think most non nerds
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think they have to go to buy Apple
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products even though nerds now you can
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order them online I don't think it will
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hurt their sales at all will decrease
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customer satisfaction because I could
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hurt Apple to like will people not be as
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happy with the iPad because it doesn't
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have a model number I think the lack of
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model numbers sort of like a well it's
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think lack of model numbers makes people
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feel less bad about the iPad they have
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because if you have a two and you know
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it's a two and people have a three and
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that three is so prominent you know two
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is less than three and you feel bad in
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the same way that I think iPhone 4
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owners felt less bad when the iPhone 4s
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came out because all just they just
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added an S to mine so my iPhone 4 isn't
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that bad even though like you know the
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entire guts were changed just a new CPU
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new GPU
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a new camera new everything it was
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basically there was nothing the same
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about that except for like the case even
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the antenna was different maybe the
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pieces of glass and the screen were the
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same on the iPhone 4 versus the forest
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but because they deform the name it
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would help the iPhones for owners not
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feel like they're being left that far
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behind but on the other hand of course
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the 4s made pundits grumpy grumpy
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iPhone 5 we just kind of said to the for
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and apples falling behind and stuff like
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that so I think the lack of numbers in
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the iPad 3 has kind of stumped both
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camps the people who were like well I
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have a - I don't you know if someone
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came up with 3 I'd feel bad but they and
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if they came out with a 2s I would feel
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like oh my - was still kind of hanging
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in there but they just came out with
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something called the iPad how do I feel
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about that and the pundits we're totally
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thrown off their game because they can't
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say oh my god iPad to us instead of
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three we expected a three they've
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shifted all their attention to
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complaining about the lack of numbers
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not complaining about the product which
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I guess is a win for Apple so I think it
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won't decrease customer satisfaction or
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anything it might increase customer
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satisfaction with previous models and it
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gives the press something to talk about
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other than the specs of the device and
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whether because they just don't know
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what to say they have nothing to grab
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onto they have to actually look at it
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and and judge it as a product instead of
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just falling back on the numbering thing
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so I don't think this move was
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dim-witted of Apple I don't think that
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will materially affect them they may go
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back the numbers at some point I don't
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know but I think this is a worthwhile
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experiment they're engaging it though
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that was longer than I expected I did a
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sponsor before I continue the follow up
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yeah we can definitely do a sponsor I
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like your follow-up though it's very
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organized a lot of notes when we tell
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you about our first sponsor it's hover
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calm however it's as simple they make
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for domain names everybody is used to
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this incredibly difficult process of
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registering it's a domain name how
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complicated can it be you type the name
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of the domain you want you click Submit
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available no you can't buy it that's it
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that's the whole pro how come this whole
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checkout procedure you ever gone to
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walk through the little hamster maze of
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all of these different other little
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last-minute impulse-buy that's the way
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ones but do this you can't just go and
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buy a domain and check out and be done
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with it it shouldn't be this hard you
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should be able to just type in the thing
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buy it done oh you want to transfer a
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domain they have the cool thing the same
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thing you see when you order your iPad
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and FedEx shows you where is it on the
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truck is it at the local processing that
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a little progress bar these guys
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hover.com they have the same kind of
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progress bar for when you do domain name
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and help you and for listeners a 5x5 in
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the show there's a coupon so the first
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thing that you do is you go to hover.com
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amount of email from people looking for
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a domain registrar's and they can never
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remember the one that we talked about on
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the show so all you people are saying
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it's hover I don't know how you want to
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get a mnemonic to remember it hover calm
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that's the one that we're always talking
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about on the show and you can you can go
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to five by five TV slash hypercritical
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you're listening to and it will be right
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you're like if you can read you know my
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work its back it works again all of that
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shows my people pick and choose well
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something that I wanted to experience on
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the new iPad this was a conscious
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my new experience unveiling an
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experience in the new iPad what about
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keynote because you know the as soon as
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watch the thing so I had never even seen
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anyone demonstrate this program I'd only
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to figure out how to use it that's that
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UI is not obvious on there not obvious
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at all which doesn't necessarily mean
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that it's bad and if we get to this
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other topic later in the show I'll talk
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about that please define what you mean
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when you say not obvious well I'm so
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I've been using computers for a little
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while and I've been using iOS for a
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little while I think I'm pretty familiar
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with it but you launched this app and
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there's a lot of stuff on the screen
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that you're not sure what it does or how
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to use it and after I watch the
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demonstration video I realized that
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during the demo it probably
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Randy you bellows or whatever his name
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is he did stuff in that demo that I had
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not discovered on my own which very
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rarely happy to the patents of the
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program he was like oh there's going to
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demo the basic features he was showing
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things that you notice if there's no
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visual indication that you can like
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swap the tiles from one side of the
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other by swiping across the whole thing
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you might not know that that happens in
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all sorts of things that he was using
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where is that house where did that come
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from an apple I think knows this about
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this application because prominently in
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the application is the thing you can hit
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for help I think it's like a question
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mark or something that suddenly makes
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tooltips appear pointing to all the
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different UI elements appear to do this
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tap here do that use this tool for this
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without that help and I was using that
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how by the way even with that help it
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was difficult to know the different
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gestures you could do but without that
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help out like what the heck is this icon
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what does that mean a lot of the
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controls like they have picture controls
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for a size this is adjusting hue is the
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saturation it's very difficult to
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express concepts like that with icons so
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it's very I don't know it's a puzzling
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UI I think once you figure it out and
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once you know where everything is it's
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very efficient of the things that it
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does are are pretty amazing but if you
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give iPhoto to someone who has never
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used it before yeah good luck to them
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it's not going to fall readily under
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hand will not say oh because I've used
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photo editing applications you are know
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exactly how this works because I've used
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iPhoto on the Mac I know that how this
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works or even because I'm used ton's of
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other iOS apps looking at this one I'll
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know exactly how it works it is very
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different than any other application
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that I've used on iOS ah and Lucas
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Matthysse has a blog post about this
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he calls it eye photos mystery meat
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gestures mystery meat navigation is a
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term that's familiar to people who are
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web nerds back in the 90s mr. mee
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navigation he provides a link to it but
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my understanding of the term has always
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been those web UIs in the 90s very it
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would look really cool and have these
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cool graphics and stuff but to figure
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out what anything did you'd have to
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hover your mouse over it and then like
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some mouth would open and it would say
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this is where you can go to see the
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trailers for this movie in the mouth
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with closing you put your mouse over the
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next little piece of mystery meat
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navigation it would say fine showtimes
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here instead of just saying trailers and
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Showtime seat you know you'd have to
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hover over things to figure what they
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were sometimes you hover it over nothing
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happened you said to click them what
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happens when I click the clown's nose oh
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I guess that takes me to the customer
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service page well how was I supposed to
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know that
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well I photos mystery meat gestures is
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another place where there's no visual
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indication what this thing does until
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you stab it to find out and the gestures
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there's no visual indication or anything
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how am I
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supposed to know that I can swipe like
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just across the whole screen to make
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this thing move how is that discoverable
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at all or us once you discover it you
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know it's there but it's not obvious
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what it is so I put this link in the
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show notes and I'm going to recite the
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whole article but for people who are
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wondering what my issues are with the
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iPhoto for iOS is UI you can read that
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you agree wholeheartedly with the
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article pretty much although I don't
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necessarily think that something being
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undiscoverable means that the
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application is bad it just means that
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it's not easily discoverable last show
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which I gave a dual title which I'm now
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regretting doesn't think it's too long I
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mentioned it was the one of the titles
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was the for tuners which was a reference
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to my new for tuner TiVo that can record
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for programs at once and I listed the
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four tuners in the good section but I
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had one negative about the foreigners
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that I forgot to get two of them when I
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point out now so I don't know if it's a
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negative it's kind of might just be
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neutral oh you can decide this thing has
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four tuners right and tebow has a
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feature where based on what you've told
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it to record and what you've given
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thumbs up or thumbs down to or whatever
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it will try to record suggestions for
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you so say hey you know I'm not
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recording anything right now but there's
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a show on there based on all the shows
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that you recorded it seems like you
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might like so I'll record this for you
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and I actually like that feature because
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the cajon any suggestions do pick up
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things that I'm interested in and if
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they don't pick it up so what they get
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they get to leave it off the end they
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don't take up any space you know the
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suggestions are the first things to go
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with the TiVo whatever needs space
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now this for tuner TiVo though will use
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all four tuners to record suggestions so
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often I'll see you all for a little
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recording lights I'm like it's recording
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four things at once what the heck is it
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recording and I'll go look it up it's
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for suggestions that seems like a little
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overkill to me and say what you know if
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you're not it's kind of if you're not
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using those Turner tuners in what do you
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care if you it's not conflicting what
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anything you want to record or something
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you want to record conflic scible just
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stop one I just worry that recording for
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suggestions at once a is going to fill
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up my heart out with suggestions and B
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is going to it's not so much feeling the
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hardware is going or delete it but like
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this is a mechanical device and using it
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wears it down because it has a spinning
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hard drive in there
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amount of extra i/o going through
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suggestions that are probably just going
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to be turned off the end before I ever
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delete them think maybe maybe giving an
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option to say are just used to Turner's
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for suggestions so just use one tuner
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for suggestions I don't need to use for
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tuners for suggestions because otherwise
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then it's like constantly going at full
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steam recording for programs at once I
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don't want my hard drive to die and I
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have so little faith in the software
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that like if there's any sort of bug or
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race condition it's more likely to be
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triggered when the thing is like maxed
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out recording four shows at once so I
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don't know how I feel about recording
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for suggestions and once it just
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initially struck me as perhaps not a
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great idea and if I could tell it to use
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fewer tuners I would alright and Westen
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Lloyd presumably living in the UK tells
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me oh yes yes he says I feel really
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lucky to be in the UK and have great
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DVRs from TV onyx and Hugh Mac's UK
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these are two companies that I've never
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heard of that apparently make digital
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video recorders it in the UK or maybe an
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elsewhere because Hugh Mac's is called
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he makes UK so I looked at their
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websites and some demo videos of these
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DVRs being used they were not that
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impressive to me they didn't seem super
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slow though they didn't look
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particularly pretty and their features
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that like I didn't see one and say oh
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I'll definitely use that over a TiVo but
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it is interesting to me that there are
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these whole and you know as ugly
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American we don't know what's going on
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the rest of the world this whole all the
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companies that I've never heard of
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making products that apparently people
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love in places even as small as the UK
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which is probably you know 1/8 the size
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of Texas and that's about the same
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number of people also think that TV onyx
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is an awful name but then again I'm
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always surprised at what how things are
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named in England TV onyx no TiVo is not
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a good name either I guess Hugh Max is
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like I don't know magazine maximum
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humans yes some sort of company that
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sells food for cannibals did you ever
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hear that one was on The Daily Show
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episode where they had a marketer like a
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great marketer or some some guy who was
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great about manipulating words - I think
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maybe the guy who came up with USA
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PATRIOT Act or or came up with death tax
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maybe it was the same guy I might be
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getting shows confused and they gave him
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a challenge it's comedy program for evil
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don't know so it's
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gonna be serious saying the challenge
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was uh the product is hoof ooh which was
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tofu made to look and feel like human
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flesh for people who are interested in
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cannibalism but don't want to act eat
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actual people can we make tofu that
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looks and feels like human flesh and
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it's called hoof ooh and so they said I
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challenge you to come up with a
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marketing slogan for hoof ooh which is
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you know obviously a pretty big
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challenge and this guy I think it was on
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the spot
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this guy really impressed me this maybe
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he had time to think about it maybe they
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gave him that the question ahead of time
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ah this is what he came up with he said
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who foo the taste of good friends which
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I thought was excellent for on the spot
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so who max makes me think that it's
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Sophie cannibal related tofu product our
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TiVo representative in the chat room
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tells me that there's no difference in
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i/o from recording four channels because
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it's always buffering all four channels
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for 30 minutes and he would know so I
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guess that isn't saying there's no
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significant extra IO overhead of saving
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that recording rather than letting it
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fall at the end because when you're when
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you're watching a television show it's
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constantly buffering and recording
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that's why you can go back in time for
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up to 30 minutes I didn't know there was
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also doing that for all four tuners so
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maybe it's not wearing out my hardware
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any more than I thought it would be Lola
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now I'm worried that it's buffering all
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four tuners for 30 minutes and I wish I
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could stop her from doing that but I
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biggest one and I haven't ran out of
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buy the largest TiVo when I bought the
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one that I bought few years ago and it
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did want to expand it and I bought an
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external eSATA SATA Drive connected it
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you know it formatted that it used it
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fine a number of months went by then we
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moved here and I went to reconnect it
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something terrible happened to this
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drive now I move
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with a ton of drives and I won't even go
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into how I moved with them and to ensure
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that they were safe and what I used
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multiple shipping methods to send them I
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kept some with me physically on my
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person at all times
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you know taped taped to my body as if
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they were plastic explosive and a
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variety of other message methods to
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ensure that the data would not be hurt
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but I didn't I said you know I don't
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care about this drive this one can go in
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the moving truck and it died in the
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moving truck but when it was plugged in
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the TiVo you were you're familiar with
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the older TiVo is I don't know about the
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new ones but you know how they have that
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incredibly long boot up sequence that
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shows a video of the little TiVo guide
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like spending time with a family and
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playing with the kids in the fact you
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know that video the the boot up sequence
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is still incredibly long what you're
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after it's done booting yes I'm familiar
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with that video so this whole process
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would repeat over and over and over and
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it would it never stopped it went on
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like this for several hours because
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apparently if you have at least this
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generation of TiVo I don't even know
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what it is had that problem where it
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would continuously reboot itself it
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would hit some kind of a problem or
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initializing the drive and it would
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reboot and after about an hour or so of
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this I unplugged the drive and it booted
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just fine and of course it complained
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that the drive was there and you'd lose
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your your stuff so I don't recommend
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yeah that's why I've always been worried
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about the external things that forget
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better to just get the biggest one
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internal that I can even though they
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have eSATA connections off the back and
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everything it just always struck me as
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weird and plus they always want you to
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buy the there's like the TiVo approved
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he's had a thing I'm gonna find out by
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different one and get it to work that's
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always I'd rather just have it all in
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one why wanted to I wanted to hear if
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you knew about this because my
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understanding is that it will store the
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way that it stores the data it splits it
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up on to the different drives but my
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understanding is it doesn't just fill up
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the first drive and then start filling
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up the second drive that it somehow uses
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them in tandem and might even I don't
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know if it's striping the data or doing
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something but it seems like they very
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much don't ever want you to disconnect
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this and I always wondered if the
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reasoning was something that you thought
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might be a a problem that they wanted to
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circumvent or if they were doing it
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simply as a countermeasure to prevent
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users from maybe trying to do
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something else with that data I think
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your first theory sounds reasonable to
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me that it once it has two spindles that
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it would actually try to use them to get
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more IO right instead of just like you
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know filling one and then filling the
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other okay but I don't know for sure but
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don't do it anyway if you're thinking
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about one more TiVo thing that I meant
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to mention Tebow has this thing like
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many products that when you start using
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it it will tell you about the features
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in the product in some sort of time
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metered way usually we're product you're
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buying store it's like they'll send you
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an email say hey I see you got a new
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blah blah did you know that you can do
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this with it well within Tebow there's a
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messages thing that's sort of like email
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within the TiVo application itself and
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you'll see messages like oh your channel
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lineup has changed or there's a software
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update available for you or someone used
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our website to set up a season pass
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little messages on the TiVo itself and
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it makes a little mail a little envelope
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icon appear next to the menus and by the
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way how long is it before kids don't
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know what that icon represents sort of
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like the telephone 18 key telephone
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handset for kids who've never seen what
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is that banana shaped thing with the
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barbells on the handset eventually
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people know that but if you're obsessive
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like me or a lot of people have this
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problem or you don't like to see like
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that unread count badge there you want
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to clear it so even though the messages
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usually aren't interesting to me I
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always want to go in there and clear it
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and it's annoying give me a little
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envelope go into message to see what it
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is read it or delete it or just clear
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that little things what I have to see
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that staring at me so when I got my Tivo
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I got it all set up about a day later I
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get a little message that says did you
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know that something called a season pass
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you can use it to record shows instead
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of telling you to record every single
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time it can record the entire run of the
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show for you go into this menu and bla
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bla season pass bla bla bla I would
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think that TiVo has sufficient knowledge
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considering the TiVo is basically an
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internet-connected computer to know that
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I have over 100 season passes and maybe
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don't send the email telling the person
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with over 100 season passes that season
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passes exist and repeat this for every
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feature that I already know exists and
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I'm using extensively
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I don't need did you know that you can
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switch tuners with the vibe you've seen
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me switch to don't send me that email
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the season pass on really just bothered
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me though is thing you know
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I have season pay you know it there on
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your website you have this data it's
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been transferred to your servers you
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absolutely positively know that I have
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over 100 season passes don't send me the
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little message about how season passes
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work they're just it's just good manners
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alright that's it for the follow-up pie
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that was long
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that was long I got two topics that I
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got Apple TV Chris Parrillo is dead oh
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that's a good that's a good one Wow can
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we do both we have to do both no way
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yeah we must if you have time we must
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I'll try to go through Apple TV fast
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because I think I just have minor things
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about this so well how about this I'll
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do a sponsor before each of the topics
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people there you go the first one is
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familiar with this I am okay this is
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very supportive of us here and everybody
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that I know who has switched to
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it is Squarespace comm is the place to
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go for this stuff and I've been talking
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Ryan over there said listen I'm not
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they want to use this because it's going
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their life easier this is what we're all
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supposed to work Squarespace will make
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you'll worry about fewer things whereas
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your site hosted doesn't matter well
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what if I get linked by a big website
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what if John Gruber linked similar fits
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calm Marlon Living Squarespace go there
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isn't he sure is almost shocked at how
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quickly he puts up a new website I don't
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know how many websites he has it's also
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it's because he uses squares because
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later there's an entire website
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dedicated to that idea that's a secret
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that he'll somehow continuously update
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he's gonna he's got one for toilet paper
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writing he's got other podcasts outside
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the 5x5 ever he's got random pictures of
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things he's got his official blog he
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puts up websites like other people tweet
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that's a true all right I I'm going to
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try to close one of my redundant skype
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windows here and this might disconnect
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me all right hang on I did the art
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didn't disconnect me I did that to try
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don't have my ability to mute because
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Skype hates me alright and also listen
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but um I'm gonna send you a link
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actually just go to big week dot CEO
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that that is like that is more garments
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desk I saw that's not earlier today oh
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yeah yeah I wanted to see if you would
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care to comment on it I can relate to it
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does now imagine your desk it I I would
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not be able to tolerate that level of
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clutter I haven't I have my limits
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I try to keep my desk very clutter-free
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I just I'm not successful many times but
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that's way over my limit wale do you
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leave at a shop just sitting out like
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that his house is under control he's got
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so much cash you know I can't find
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places to put it on exactly like he uses
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somebody on Twitter said I like that you
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use cash as tissue paper yeah that's
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like a coaster puts his drinks on right
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I think I have one one drink on a map
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now but his house is under construction
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and no I I couldn't understand a mine
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my wife's desk on the other hand is a
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big giant mess but mine is usually
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cleaner than that
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alright appletv yes - you ordered you
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ordered this the day it was announced at
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1080p the brand new Apple TV it's here
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let's hear about this I've never had an
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Apple TV before so many of the things
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I'm going to say were probably equally
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applicable to the previous generation
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black little square thing which I think
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people refer to there's another thing
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what is that one called at
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second-generation Apple TV there was the
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silver one that was big and then there
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was the small one that was black and
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this is the second small and it was
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black and somehow we continued to be
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able to figure out what we're buying an
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Apple continues to be able to sell this
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product despite the fact that it's not
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called Apple TV 3 or 4 or 7 or anything
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like that the only real difference
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between yours and the previous black one
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my understanding is the 1080p support
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because we had the the new I have two of
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the previous black ones and one of the
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originals but the previous black ones
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they all received the update that you
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have as well yeah the software update
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this hardware is different it has a mind
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of things it has a single core a5 and
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the previous one had the a4 in there so
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there's a big difference in the hardware
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internally I bet this thing is all
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different than the previous one but
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externally it looks the same and the
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only difference from the users
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perspective especially since Apple is
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not like TiVo and actually provides
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software updates for owners of earlier
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generations of its product if you have
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any the older Apple TV black box thing
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your software looks the same as mine
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though which is nice that always annoy
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me about getting the the TiVo HD when
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the premier's came out and they had a
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new HD interface or partially HD or
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whatever they didn't backport it it
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never back port it's like well tough
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luck you needed buy a home to TiVo if
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you want the new software update
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but not Teemo complaining so this is
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1080p Apple TV I was holding off buying
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it because I wanted 1080p not because I
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thought the other product was bad
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because I liked the fact that there's no
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fan and want to be able to watch Netflix
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with the device that has no fan so I'll
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start off with the biggest problem with
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the Apple TV you do you have this Apple
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TV I have to but not the 1080p one the
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brand brand brand you want to have two
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previous black ones so this problem is
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not related to 1080p and would probably
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apply equally to the previous generation
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what do you think am i what do you think
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my biggest complaint is ah gosh john i
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how am i gonna guess you don't like the
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remote you don't like the work you've
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got you've got on guest number one the
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remotes how are you gonna guess that odd
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the shows that you know there's I'm not
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completely offline this the remote oh my
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goodness what a terrible terrible remote
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no good so first the thing is too small
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to hold comfortably there's there's a
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balance between being big enough to hold
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comfortably and not being some gigantic
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thing this I mean it looks cute in the
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picture it fits in the box
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way too small to comfortably hold with
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adult size hands what's bad about it
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being small makes it easier to lose it's
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made out of aluminum which or some other
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kind of metal which fits well with
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apples aesthetic but it has sharp edges
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sharp edges so not fun the cold sharp
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edges scratch my beautiful wooden end
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table when children chuck the thing on
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it or scrape the thing off it's not even
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it's so small it's not even easy to pick
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up without scraping it along on
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something this is not a good remote
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design the 5 way control the main thing
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you're using up-down left-right and a
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select button in the middle way too
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easily to accidentally hit that middle
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select button when I was painfully and
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laborious ly entering my you know
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passwords for various services and stuff
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to getting the thing set up which
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granted you only have to do once well
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with money stuff let me stop you there
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now did you consider using the remote
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app on any of your iOS devices I use
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that after I had
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that after I had
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got it setup but it does that have a
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keyboard yeah baby anytime you go into a
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text field it will pop up a little
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keyboard so if you're searching if
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you're searching on Netflix if you're
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entering in now obviously you would need
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to have entered in the Wi-Fi password
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into the Apple TV before you can access
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it with the remote app but after doing
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so any keyboard entry you can do it all
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right from the right from that remote
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app Wi-Fi what is this no Wi-Fi here
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connect to a Gigabit Ethernet switch so
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then then you have then you could have
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used it immediately but wait a minute
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how do you how do you get your iOS
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devices on the network
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yeah they I have Wi-Fi modems for this
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it mean it's a stationary device the
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Apple TV doesn't move it's connected
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with Ethernet good so yeah I should have
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I should have gone to the remote app I
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actually forgot completely about the
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remote app until after I'd got it set up
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but be entering the little text input is
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not I'm not saying it's bad that you
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have to enter text with the remote all
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01:00:52
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that is bad but you know they have an
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alternative it's that's a good test of
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how easy it is to use the four-way
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switch tonight I didn't think you ever
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01:00:59
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need to be tested because having used
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the TiVo and I don't have the little
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QWERTY slider Bluetooth TiVo remote I'm
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very used to entering text with little
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file were controlling yeah it's annoying
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but I do a plenty this is the first time
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in all my years of using a little five
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way control with the remote with a
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television that I accidentally input
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characters when trying to put things
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because I was trying to move down down
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right left down and I would accidentally
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hit the middle select button that's it's
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the thing it's shaped kind of like a
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donut and there's no real positive
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feedback for the four different
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directions so you're right away you're
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kind of unsure which if you're getting
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exactly up and exactly left yeah you can
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use the straight edges of the route to
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help you with that but the T will ring
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control like tries to eject your finger
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from it the curve doesn't want your
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finger on it it tries to push your
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01:01:45
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finger away so you're trying to get your
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finger poised on the hump of the curve
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to just press that and not accidentally
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01:01:50
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press the middle thing the TiVo remote
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is a leaf shaped kind of like a cone and
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then the middle slack button is raised
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so it's very easy to see whether you're
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on the middle select butt or not because
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it's a raised little pedestal there I've
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01:02:01
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never accidentally hit the middle select
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button on the TiVo I do still have the
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01:02:04
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same problem with the TiVo with it's got
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a keep one continuous ring and there's
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not as much physical feedback by okay
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this is up this is down in this left
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this is right because you can press it
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five degrees angle between you you can
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press southeast northwest and which one
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gets hit is just a question of how lucky
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you are that particular time the curved
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thing makes all that much harder and
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practically speaking I accidentally
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input letters I'm going you know going
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around doing it then I wasn't looking at
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what was being but I look over at the
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thing into some extra characters there
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because I accidentally hit the middle
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button in one of my transitions and I
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don't know why all these people Tebow
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and Apple included don't just make it
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four separate buttons up-down left-right
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make them separate buttons but you could
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feel with the difference you know I
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guess I just want to make a ring because
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it looks nice or maybe it's cheaper I
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don't even know why I obviously there's
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four separate activation things
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underneath there it's not like a
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continuous scroll wheel that they're
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making they're just make it separate
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buttons so that remote is by far the
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worst part of this product because right
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now excluding the remote app which I
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don't think Apple can guarantee that
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everyone who buys an Apple TV even has
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an iOS device they can run their own
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Aven you use that little remote to
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interact with this device and it really
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influences how you feel about that
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device it's what what does this thing
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feel like in your hand when you're using
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it the TiVo for all my complaints that
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evil remote is actually very nice I
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really like the TiVo remote design most
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of the controls you want to use your
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inconvenient places they're different
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shapes at different sizes based on the
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prominence the only I mean there are
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things I can complain about the table
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remote about like say the prominence and
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size of the 30-second skip button and
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how now there's the colored buttons that
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are the same size next to us I have
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complaints about everything but in
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general the TiVo remote is a very
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interesting and very fun innovative
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design that does most things right the
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Apple TV remote is just terrible and
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it's not bluetooth of course UI sounds
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that is probably in the is in the
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problem category I don't know I don't
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like any UI that makes sound at least
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the sounds are more subtle than the TiVo
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sounds TiVo ships out of the box but
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it's crazy popcorn popping sound
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whenever you move anything on the screen
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that's too much it's really loud people
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like that sound I think they come to
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associate with TiVo which they have
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positive feelings about but I need that
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sound to be off the Apple TV sounds are
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much more subtle very quiet little
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tinkling things but they are there and I
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was glad
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the light on the front of the device the
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Apple TV thing looks like just a little
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featureless black rounded corner
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monolith but it does actually have a
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pinpoint of white light now I'm not one
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of those people who needs to have every
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single light turned off on their
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television although interestingly almost
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all of my products do have an option to
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turn it off I think even my TV as an
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option in somewhere in the menus it says
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turn off the power light but certainly
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the TiVo have always had an option to
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say turn everything off turn off all
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those lights which are you or your Crona
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I leave them on because I like to see
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hey what's recording or you know what's
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going it they don't bother me even
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though they're pretty darn big they're
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like this red circles for recordings you
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cannot possibly for red circles that are
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a little bit smaller than a dime uh then
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that circles their rings they're pretty
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prominent there's a blue one for one is
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transferring there's a green one from
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the powers on lots of lights of staring
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at me and I don't find them distracting
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at all so I had one device to my AV
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stack here this little Apple TV and I
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put it sort of you know towards the
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bottom off in a corner it's got this
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tiny pinprick white light and somehow
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that one piercing white light bothers me
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when I'm watching TV all these other red
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and green and blue giant much larger
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lights money much more numerous much
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closer to the screen don't draw my eye
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but this tiny white star is just
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piercing my eye from the corner there so
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I started looking for an option to turn
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off that little white light thing and
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couldn't find it I haven't maybe it
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still buried in there but I'm maybe
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going for the black electrical tape
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that's probably the way to go some
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people in the chat rooms saying you can
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put the Apple TV behind in television
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just bounce the IR off the wall I could
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probably do that too I I but I like
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having direct line of sight on the thing
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I'll just cover up the little electrical
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or gaffers tape black gaffers tape I
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don't have gaffers tape so we go with
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electrical okay I think that will do the
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job sure the UI itself I don't know I
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don't have them not familiar with the
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past Apple TV UI so I can't say how this
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one is better or different the other
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ones considering what I plan to use this
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for it's like how longs it take me get
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to Netflix it's a big red squares has
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Netflix it's right on the screen you
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know no no big problems there the
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screens change quickly there's no weird
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animation between the screens there's no
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flickering resolution changing all the
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UI is in HD
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uh cover art and stuff for movies load
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quickly I've been the Ethernet
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connection probably helps their overall
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the UI isn't doesn't Wow me but I don't
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have any significant complaints about it
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it pretty much does what it's supposed
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to do this is my first time using
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airplay as well airplay is Apple's brand
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name for I don't know what is it's their
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brand name for wirelessly sending video
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from one place to the other somehow it's
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not really sending video wirelessly but
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that's the word they use for it I can't
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even remember what I did to set up
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airplay I remember connecting to the
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thing entering my Apple ID for some
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purpose or another probably just with
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the iTunes Store god honestly cannot
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remember if I did anything in particular
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to set up airplay but suddenly every
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single Apple device in my house of which
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there are many many could send video to
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anywhere else it was the most it just
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works experience I've had from Apple in
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a long time suddenly just everything is
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sent I could see all the video on my Mac
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it's the only one in my wife's Mac I saw
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all the video on my iPods and on the
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iPhones and they could send videos TV
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and I could see pictures from from the
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iPods on the TV no setup no passwords no
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nothing unbelievably easy seamless
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experience in fact it was so easy this
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is the only drawback that after I had
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exploded with it and said wow this is
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neat check this out blah blah I'd gone
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back to what I was doing and I was you
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know television was turned off at this
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point and I was on the couch and I fired
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up draw something which is the latest
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fad social game which I have many many
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complaints about but that's a different
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show and when you launch Draw Something
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it shows a start-up screen animation it
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shows like a pencil and some rays of
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light coming from behind and the logo
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comes dropping down or something and
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apparently that startup screen splash
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animation thing is a movie because when
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I launch draw something from springboard
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it brought a big thing that says this
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movie playing on your television so I
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played these the launch the startup
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screen movie through my Apple TV on my
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television which was turned off and all
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I got to see on the iPad iPod in front
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of me was this little picture telling me
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that that's what I was doing I said well
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you know I don't that's I don't stop
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using stop playing your video to the
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television I'm looking at you now the
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television is off obviously the Apple TV
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was still on but I had to try to
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Vince my iOS device to stop displaying
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video on the Apple TV you know how to do
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that easily right well at the time I
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didn't and when I think to think of what
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I had just done I just launched like
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Draw Something just an application and
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it doesn't show a player control in
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showing that movie because it's not
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using the player interface like it's
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just calling an API to play a QuickTime
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movie right so there was no way from the
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screen that I was looking at to say no
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no show that over here and if you don't
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know as I didn't I had to Google this I
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completely forgotten about those things
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that are hiding in the iOS multitasking
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menu it if you said if you double tap
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the home key with a little multitasking
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bar that shows you the applications you
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launched recently if you slide the other
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way on it you've got like the volume
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control and a bunch of settings and
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stuff like that and one of them is
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little airplay button and then you could
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tell it use the iPad use you know but I
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totally forgot those things exist I went
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to settings to look for it didn't find
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it eventually what I ended up doing
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before I Google just to solve this when
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I was sitting there was go to the video
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player which I knew showed a player
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control which had the airplay icon tap
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the airplay icon and turned it off it's
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it I can see so many people going
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through this exact experience but not
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being able to figure out what they were
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doing wrong and saying I don't
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understand why my iPhone plays videos
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when I'm out but not when I'm at home or
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something you know what I say I mean I
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it's very for people to experience this
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I think that you're in the minority of
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people who were able to figure it out so
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quickly if you know it's called airplay
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just Google it yeah I mean it's not but
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still yes I guess when do some basis in
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knowledge because as soon as I saw the
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Google result that said multitasking and
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double tap like those only words I had
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to read in the capital
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oh it's hiding over there like because I
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never go to that section of the the
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multitasking thing but at least I knew
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it existed so maybe it's too easy for a
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device is to promiscuously share their
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video and information everywhere but on
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the whole I was very impressed with
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airplay the only downsides to airplay
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are not air place fault but or the fault
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of Apple but it's continuing separating
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of people into Islands so for example
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photo stream photo stream to get photo
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stream stuff you have to sign in with an
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Apple ID but then right away I'm I have
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a problem because well I want to see our
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family pictures well whose Apple ID is
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being used for the family pictures of my
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wife's iPhone when she takes pictures of
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the kids that goes to her photo stream
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she's using iPhoto and her iPhoto
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collection is connected to her photo
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screen was connected to her Apple ID but
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I'm using a different Apple ID and I
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want my picture I want everything to be
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used you know I'm going to take my iOS 5
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device and connect it to my Apple ID not
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hers but when I take pictures of my iOS
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device they go to my photo stream and
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now I have to I can't see both of them
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on the Apple TV I got a pic which photo
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stream I want it's that division of
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things in two different islands of
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content is not the fault of airplay but
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it does manifest itself in that for
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example if you want to make the
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screensaver use your photo stream you
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have to pick which one you can't do it
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from like the pool of both of them are
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collected all together so I thought that
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was a very airplay it gets big thumbs up
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despite a few confusing points and
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speaking of confusion as all nerds would
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do I immediately go to the settings menu
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in the Apple TV and mine yeah well
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normal people don't do this I found the
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if it works and it plays video they
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don't touch it there's I want to mess it
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up but geeks say ok it works it plays
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video fine everything works but can I
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screw it up some house let me find the
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settings menu so I meet they go home to
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the settings menu and it hears some say
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01:12:12
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audio and video let me go in there one
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of them said television resolution and
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was on auto and I said no we can't have
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01:12:18
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that because who knows this is thing for
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auto settings geeks want to know what
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does that mean what does Auto mean is
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that a different than the other choices
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or does that just mean the device is
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going to pick one of the choices for me
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and if it picks which one is it
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currently picking so Auto had a bunch of
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choices of resolution and refresh rates
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and the top one was 1080p 60 Hertz and I
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just selected that I said that you
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probably automatically selected that
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anyway because my television probably
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told you that it can handle that but
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just in case you didn't I will force you
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to be 1080p 60 Hertz which was the the
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highest resolution of the highest
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refresh rate in the menu and then they
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went into a menu called HDMI output
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which I thought was going to have
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something like what I see in the ps3s
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output where you can choose if you want
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to use extended color spaces technically
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outside the gamut of normal broadcasting
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but if your television supports that you
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can display you know also the technical
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stuff like that the choices in this menu
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were Auto which was currently selected
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YC y cbcr
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which I had to look up and Wikipedia and
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I put the link in the show notes this is
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a thing where it takes the the luminance
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signal or the luma signal Y and stores
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transmits it at you know with high
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quality and high resolution and then it
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takes to chroma components the color and
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puts them in a bend with reduced channel
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so it's kind of like a form of
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these things survives compression better
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divide up the picture that the image
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space into two separate color channels
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blue difference and that doesn't have to
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be doesn't have to use as much man
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bandwidth but we'll keep the luminance
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values on a separate higher bandwidth
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channel so that struck me as something
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that's probably done for like CRTs or
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older tube things with lower bandwidth
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so that's not for me then the next
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choice is RGB high and then the one
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below that is RGB low and I was guessing
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that RGB high was the thing where it
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will output a an expanded color space to
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technically respect doesn't support but
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your television might support but then I
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was like what was RGB low means I
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googled for it all I found in my brief
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googling was people saying try the
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different outputs which everyone looks
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better on your TV you should use which
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sounds silly but in the end is probably
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good advice but unfortunately it's not
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easy to tell because when you're in the
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menu you're just looking at the menu
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which is mostly black and has a little
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bit of blue and like a picture of an
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Apple TV so I'd have to change the
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setting watch some video go back change
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a setting watch the video go back change
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a setting in the end I just left it on
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auto which is sort of like admitting
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defeat to me because I don't like I had
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watched a program by this point I put it
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in the show notes actually because I had
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been saving this the the television
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series awake had its pilot program
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available for free on iTunes maybe like
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a week or two ago I think this is a good
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idea but you want to get someone hooked
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on a program be like oh I missed the
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first episode like my DVR didn't catch a
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visit and tell it to record it so I set
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up a season pass for awake if it started
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on Episode two which I'm not gonna watch
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until I've seen episode 1 then I said Oh
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episode 1 is available free on iTunes so
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I got it off iTunes but then I couldn't
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watch it on my TV because I didn't have
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an Apple TV yeah that's the wonders of
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DRM for you so here I am with this high
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definition video that I could watch on
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my computer if I wanted to but if we
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wanted to sit together on the couch and
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watch it we can't even though I have a
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million devices on my television that
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can display video none of them
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understand apples DRM and I had no way
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to show a PCS image on my television
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that's the remaining thing I don't have
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my TV set up a way to show a max video
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output on the television so anyway I'd
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watch that entire program and it looked
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fine to me and I was perfectly happy
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with it and then after that I started
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screwing with the settings and in the
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end I just left HDMI output on auto so
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if anyone knows what any of that stuff
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actually means RGB high RGB low feel
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free to tell me so overall I give the
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Apple to be a pretty big thumbs up it
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does exactly what I thought I was going
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to do it did it without problem the
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airplay features were fun to use they
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did everything that I thought they
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should do the Netflix streaming worked
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well again it probably helps that I have
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an Ethernet connection directly to
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things so no networking problems no
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crashes everything was pretty responsive
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the only bit downside is that terrible
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little razor blade of a remote
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surprisingly positive review I thought I
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was gonna like it like I the only reason
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I held off getting it was because I knew
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and another one was undoubtedly coming
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with higher resolution I didn't want to
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buy something of a 720 some people
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argued with me about that on Twitter
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saying what do you need 1080p for I
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should have put this in the show notes
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but our stack thing I did an article
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comparing iTunes 1080p per content with
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its 720p content and the person on
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Twitter was saying and this is true
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especially as as compared if you're
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doing 720p or 1080i a lot of televisions
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do 1080i but actually 720p has more
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information if you do the math on it but
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the stuff Apple is selling is compressed
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and he was saying if you if Apple would
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didn't so heavily compress at 720p
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content there would be no reason to have
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1080p or that the 1080p was so heavily
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compressed that they would you'd be
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better off getting a 720p one that was
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not as heavily compressed as 1080 all
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that is true but the proof isn't like if
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you're interested in iTunes content the
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proof is in well so downloaded is 1080p
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version of this thing on iTunes and
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download a 720p which one looks better
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and it may be way still an Apple you
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could say they would be better off
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offering a higher-quality 720p and not
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bottling with a 1080i because you'd have
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less to download the quality would be
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just as good
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but I do just got to go with that what
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Apple offers and if the 1080p content
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that apple offers looks better than the
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720 and you know you get them both of
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the same price er usually you do you get
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you know you're offered the program in
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HD you get both of those choices I'm
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going to pick the 1080p one as like oh
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you're taking apples extra room on your
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hard drive my question on Twitter is
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well what am i saving that hard drive
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space for I just gotta have spare hard
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drive space hanging around I got a lot
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hard drive space so I'll download the
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1080p one I'll watch it I'll delete it
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when I'm done because through the magic
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of iCloud I don't have to worry about
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keeping it around and I certainly don't
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need to store it on my Apple TV so ah
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the ARS technica article did screen
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grabs of 1080p content and compared with
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screen grabs of 720 you can see some
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pretty significant differences like
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we're in the 720p content you see that
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sort of banding where there's a gradient
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from dark gray to light gray you see it
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as a band of like gray number one and a
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little bit darker gray number two versus
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a smooth gradient on the 1080p as a
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typical compression artifact so the
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program I watched was still 720 and look
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fine to me
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but if 1080p is available I will get
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that so look that's all I've got an
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Apple TV so what is this a device that
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you'd recommend yeah I recommended the
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previous one even though I hadn't bought
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it I wouldn't I would tell people if you
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want something to plays Netflix get an
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Apple TV and you'll go on record right
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now and say that the best Netflix
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experience you've ever seen by far hands
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down Apple TV now the PlayStation 3 the
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client is better it's the PlayStation 3
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in general is way more responsive and
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faster and it has a Bluetooth remote and
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that thing like it's a gaming system it
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responds as soon as you hit the button
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but the PlayStation 3 has a fan in it
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and it's much noisier than something
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with no fan so that's why I prefer the
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Apple TV but I still think the
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PlayStation 3 Netflix client is superior
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and the remote is definitely superior
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should we do our third sponsor and then
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talk about the video of Chris polos dad
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sure all right
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our third sponsor final sponsor for this
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week source bits these guys are really
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great they develop all kinds of software
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but they have some specific areas that
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they focus on the first one iOS software
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to file
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they'll do Android they'll do you know
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what if you if you need to do black bear
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there are people out there need this
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they'll do that too they can come out
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with a client for any mobile platform
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that you have they do web development
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they'll build a web application you can
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tie into these are an independent
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standalone I had somebody say well do
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these guys just what if you just want a
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web app what if you don't care about
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mobile course they do that they do user
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interface design course they do Mac
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development and they also do face book
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development maybe you have an idea for a
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Facebook game they do that all of this
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and they do it and they save you time
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and they save you money because they get
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it done right the first time that's the
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key with these guys they have they have
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a proven track record they've got an
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amazing portfolio you're not going to
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waste time going back and forth with a
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developer who's still figuring things
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out there's nothing wrong with that but
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if you want to hit a homerun you want to
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walk up to bat you want to hit a homerun
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you call these guys sore spits calm
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longtime support of the shows great
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bunch of people to work with sore spits
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calm the person who is complaining to me
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on Twitter about the 1080p person 720 is
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actually in the chat room now and he's
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trying to clarify he says I wasn't
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saying takes more room on your hard
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drive I was complaining that 1080p uses
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more resources in general and those
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resources would be much better used for
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less compressed 720p signal I'm asking
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him what resources he's talking about I
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kind of and your argument is this if
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there are resources to be used use 100%
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of them all the time to improve your
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enjoyment unless they're mechanical and
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wear out and it's doing something you
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didn't ask it to do but have we've
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already gone over that with a TiVo it's
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already recording on all four tuners
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anyway so it's not actually next to work
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but yeah that's for it when it's in
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terms of RAM and hard drive space
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he points to bandwidth bandwidth is only
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concerned if you have a cap I don't
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maybe that's a luxury I you know mother
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people don't have so if you have a
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bandwidth captain yeah that's a good
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argument for taking the 720p version
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instead CPU I don't care about because I
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don't think they wear out like things
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with moving parts though I should do a
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whole show about the idea of hardware
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versus software and moving parts versus
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non moving parts although unfortunately
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that gets into the realm of physics very
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quickly and then we're not supposed to
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talk about that but that's one of my pet
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peeves but yeah like I said this is all
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when it just comes down to like look at
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the content apple offers 1080p one look
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better can you tell that it looks better
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then it's up to you to decide whether
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you think the bandwidth is worse well I
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don't really care that my $9 Apple TV
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CPU is working harder or GP or whatever
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h.264 decoder is going you know so Chris
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burrows dad Chris Parrillo I didn't know
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Chris Parrillo was before this did you
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know he was yeah of course
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no no he's he's a founder maintainer of
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Locker gnome which is a network of blogs
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which I've heard of Locker gnome I've
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seen the name Locker gnome but I have
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not gone to that site and not really
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familiar with it he apparently was on
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really watched true hosting a program
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called call for help which I assume is
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some sort of helping you with technology
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television show he's about my age
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somewhat similar age and one of the
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things he did in this past week was sit
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his dad down his dad is named Joe
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Perillo sit him down in front of a
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Windows 8 computer and a Mac OS 10
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computer both of which he'd never seen
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before he'd never seen Windows 8 before
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and he'd never used a Mac before I never
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used a Mac with Mac OS 10 before and
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well one thing we should also mention is
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that chris has been doing some kind of
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like live streaming thing I think he's
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still doing it but if you want to you
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could go and you could see him sitting
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at his desk where he has multiple
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screens and machines you could go there
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you could see him sitting there at his
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desk and watch him working not sure why
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it's not it's not like a show really
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it's just him like they're working and
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he's been doing this for a long time
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so his dad was sitting it if you're
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familiar with his setup his dad was just
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sitting right there at this setup now
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I'm not familiar with in people the chat
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room her give her giving me flack for
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not knowing who he is I'm not surprised
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that you're not like a fan I'm just I'm
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surprised it you don't know who he is
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but that's on now I've heard a blocker
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no no but that's it okay
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so he just filmed his dad trying these
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two things out his dad is I don't know
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his dad's probably same age as my ADD
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50 60 something like that first of all
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his dad is adorable he's very like
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Hawaiian shirt into baseball hat with a
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propeller on it and for people who are
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similar age to Chris he reminds us all
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of our dads the second thing I want to
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say about this is we shouldn't you
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should always be careful when you see
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them like this not to extrapolate too
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much from one person this is just one
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person doing something one person with
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his own background and experiences and
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and education and computers and just
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like it's very tempting to say look at
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this guy either successful using or
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unsuccessful using this technology
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product therefore this product is doomed
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to failure is not user friendly or is
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awesome and anyone be able to use it
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this is one data point one person but on
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the other hand people who have similar
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experiences with people of similar ages
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this is a nice thing to point you to say
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like I do tech support for a big company
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or I help all my relatives with their
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computers and all them exhibit these
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particular problems if you want to see
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these problems demonstrated look at this
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one guy's video because a lot of the
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things that he has trouble with I've
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seen other people have trouble with and
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then very quickly you know humans are a
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pattern recognition machine and start to
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say oh this this is not just one
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person's problem this is another data
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point in the long series of data points
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about people using computers and I'm
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noticing a trend and that trend is
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whatever so I'm going to talk about the
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things I saw in this video I'm no doubt
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will generalize and extrapolate from
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this video into more general concepts
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most of the time I'm not basing those
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conclusions on this one video but simply
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using it as an illustration of something
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that I've seen elsewhere but yeah no
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matter what all even if you added up all
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my experiences with helping people with
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computers that's probably still not
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statistically significant but I think
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some of it will ring true for people who
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have done similar things now his dad is
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not a technology geek but I would say
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he's definitely I don't know what you
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call him he's a computer user he's a
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regular user of computers he talks very
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fondly about Windows XP which he has
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seems to have a lot of experience in
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comfort with that he likes to use he's
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got an iPhone he's got an iPad both of
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which he likes to use he must have been
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using these things for years XP in
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particular he knows how to use them
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enough to be productive
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I'm not going to say this is someone
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who's never seen a computer who are
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computer novice I would say that he's
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not a computer expert but he's a
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computer user he's you have to call you
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know if you use a computer every single
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day and enjoy it and have some sort of
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level of confidence and experience with
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it that's in the upper end of customers
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of technology products I think
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especially for someone his age where you
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didn't grow up with these type of
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computers so he he's you know he's been
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pre-qualified he's competent yeah like I
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think a lot of people look in this and
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said let's look how someone who had no
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idea about computers uses this and see
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how bad there he doesn't have no idea
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computers he's he's a pretty darn good
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computer user the way he talks about how
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Windows XP and like yet he has a
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fondness for Windows XP and who has a
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fondness for an operating system less
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here you know it and he's got an iPhone
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and an iPad that's he's got a leg up on
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most people his age I think so I think
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that right away I would not say that
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this is anything you've seen this video
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only applies to SuperDuper novices
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because this guy is about as
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knowledgeable as you can expect from the
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average computer consumer about
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computers so I'm going to talk briefly
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about the Windows 8 video which I'm not
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going to focus on too much he put him in
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front of Windows 8 which as we know has
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this split experience between the Metro
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UI in the plane desktop and lo and
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behold he's used he switches back to the
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plane desktop feels slightly more
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comfortable but then is not able to find
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the Start menu and he spends a lot of
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time looking for screen edge activation
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triggers and stuff and this is what I
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wanted to get to before what's
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discoverability versus ease of use he
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spends a long time just not knowing what
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to do because there's nothing on screen
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to let him know what to do he wants the
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button to press a word that he can see
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or read or something and things like Oh
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slam your mouse cursor to the right edge
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of the screen that's not obvious that's
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like a gesture with the mouse especially
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if he hasn't used another operating
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system it does things like that or it
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hasn't used other programs that it
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doesn't occur to him that Mouse gestures
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are putting the mouse in the corner or
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clicking on a screen edge or anything
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like that and I forget about keyboard
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commands ring like that and as
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ridiculous as this might sound people
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today one of the reasons that Windows 95
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was so successful is because they had a
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little menu at the bottom that said
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start and we laugh about the Start menu
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Oh a ninja but there were people who had
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no experience with the graphical user
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interface are very little they were
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coming from a different place that well
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where do I start
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oh right here yeah I mean the joke oh
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you shut down from the Start menu is
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numb that's not why it said started to
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start because people people are going to
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scan with especially if they don't have
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experience with computers they see an
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image in front of them and they want to
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look at it and figure out something to
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do and so things like screen edges are
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not discoverable similarly I would say
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swiping through iOS springboard screens
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you know that the thing where you launch
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all your applications that's not
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discoverable to someone who has never
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used a capacitive touchscreen which to
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first approximation before the iPhone
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was nobody nobody had used a capacitive
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touchscreen we'd use pressure-sensitive
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touchscreens maybe where you press on
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them like on a palm and maybe would use
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those ones on ATMs where people think
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you have to press but you really don't
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need jam their fingers as hard as they
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can to a CRT but capacitive touchscreens
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I tracked your finger and let you do
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gestures and stuff if you're staring at
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that iOS screen it's very clear that
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these are little squares that you
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probably have to hit with your finger
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what's not clear is if you take your
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finger and swipe across the whole thing
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you go to the next screen that I've
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never seen anyone who has never seen an
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iOS device derive that on their own but
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once you show people that that's it you
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show them once like oh and for they
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never they never forget it it's
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completely natural so that people get
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harp on discoverability and this gets
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back to the iPhoto for iOS
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discoverability I think is much less
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important than most people think it is
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it's important that people if they hit a
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dead end
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they can't discover anything and they
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stop but I think if they continue to use
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it or if there's a way for them to learn
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what's much more important is how
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efficient is this thing to use on a day
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to day basis right so putting the word
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start on the Start menu did not impair
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day-to-day usability but it was a good a
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discoverability so you want to do that
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make it as discoverable as possible but
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don't favor discoverability over
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efficiency or easy use after the fact a
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lot of the complaints about Mac OS 10
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for me and other people is that it's
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been tailored too much to make sure
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things are discoverable even if once you
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discover it it's annoying from about 100
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of the times you use it after that so
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swiping on iOS like there's not a little
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paper clip that comes out and says hey
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but you've been
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groaning screen and swipe it slide ways
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to go to the next screen there's nothing
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really helping you discover screen
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swiping in iOS and I don't think Apple
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frets about that it's like you'll find
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out like you you'll see an ad on TV or
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someone swipes their finger or your
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friend will show you were like it once
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once you want something else tells you
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hey you can swipe the screen on your
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iPhone like it's very difficult to get
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out of an Apple Store without knowing
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that and it's probably difficult not to
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see a TV ad that shows people swiping
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all over the place right but for the
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very first one you know if you didn't
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see the keynote didn't know what the
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iPhone was there's nothing in the OS
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itself have you gave us to someone who
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was on a tropical island the Pacific who
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had never seen technology and gave him
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this phone it it wouldn't be obvious for
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him to figure out swiping right but once
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you discover it it's awesome perfect and
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you're glad there's not some sort of
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handle to grab to swipe to the next
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screen or some sort of word that says
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swipe to go to next screen that's there
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that stupid word saying swipe to go to
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next to mean for the rest of your damn
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so iPhoto for iOS and Windows 8 both I
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think when you discover how to use these
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there's a two finger loop zooming tool
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in an iPhoto which I totally did not
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discover but I don't slam it because I
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didn't discover it I slam it because
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once I've discovered it I find it
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awkward to use and similarly the screen
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edge stuff for getting back to the Metro
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once you know about the screen edge
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activation then you should forget that
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you couldn't find it mostly and say well
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they could have helped discoverability a
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little bit but once I find it is it
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efficient to use now I personally find
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screen edges and screen corners very
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efficient because they're really easy
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targets to hit and I find it a natural
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sort of gesture with a mouse or whatever
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but that may not be true for the general
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population but that's the one point I
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wanted to make on the Windows 8 video is
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that the joke quote-unquote of watching
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him flail there by staring at the screen
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he's you know he's trying to look
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through the bottom part of his bifocals
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try to read every single piece of text
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on the screen say where can I possibly
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click the fact that he doesn't know
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about screen edges or Mouse gestures or
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anything like that or you know keyboard
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equivalents or other things don't have a
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visual representation I don't fault
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Windows 8 for that but you know I think
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if when is it becomes popular people
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will learn this gesture just as like
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once you learn swiping on the
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springboard screen then you don't have
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to relearn it for 50 other apps now part
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of your vocabulary when trying to figure
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out how to use an iOS app is to be
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swiping stuff around
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why didn't I discover how to change the
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palette from one side of the other
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iPhoto for iOS because that wasn't
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swiping to change screens that was like
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grabbing an on screen element and moving
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it and not by a grab handle by some
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grand gesture and I had never used in an
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application that had done it before and
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in general I think that's not as
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successful because it's not obvious
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where you can start to grab and where
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you can stop and if you just do a swipe
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anywhere and iPhoto doesn't doesn't do
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it all the time you have to do it in a
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certain way with a certain pattern so
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even if after you discover it like now I
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know how to move the the thumbnail
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pictures from one side to the other and
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iPhoto for iOS I still can't pull it off
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successfully most of the time it doesn't
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feel good that's that's a bad gesture
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but not because I didn't discover until
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I watch the video so the much more
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interesting one to me anyway
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sorry Windows people is that he CRISPR
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will put his dad in front of Mac OS 10
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and as we said he's a big windows XP
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user big PC user but on the other hand
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the owns an iPad and iPhone and likes
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them right but he's never never used a
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Mac by the way there's YouTube videos
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for these and they're both on the show
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notes but if you just search for Chris
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Parrillo as dad you'll probably find uh
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so here he is in front of Mac os10 now
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we've gone through saying that he's
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definitely a productive computer user
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surely he hasn't been using Windows XP
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for all these years and liking it and
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still not been getting anything done and
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we presume that he's using the iPhone
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and he's able to make phone calls and
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use it the way it's supposed to be used
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and he uses the iPad and likes it
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presumably he's being productive right
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I think this Mac OS 10 video more than
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the Windows one shows that to use a
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computer and be productive with it is
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not the same thing as understanding it
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far from it people just assume like oh
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can you read email can you use the web
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can you do all that stuff like out well
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you know about computers no that just
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means you know how to read an email use
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the web and get that stuff done which is
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fine but making the leap as a software
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developer someone designing software
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that oh the people who are productive
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with computers understand them is it's
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not a good idea and I'm not even talking
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about the techy details like they
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understand to the PN Junction
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transistors or they understand the data
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buses or anything like not even
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technical stuff I'm saying they don't
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understand
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Brod really big conceptual things about
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the computer that you would assume they
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understand because they're so successful
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using a computer to send email and share
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pictures of kids and do do things do
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complicated tests with the computer
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they're missing foundational concepts
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that underlie the entire computer and
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you notice they're missing when you put
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something in front of them that's not
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familiar the best example from this
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video is so he's put in front of Mac OS
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10 which he's never seen before but he
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has lots of experience with with Windows
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XP and with iOS devices what he's
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looking for he's looking around this
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computer one of his main concerns is he
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wants to get to the Google homepage
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right and we'll get to that long sad
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path try to get to the Google home and
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first homepage first but what he doesn't
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understand what's clear that he doesn't
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understand is if he doesn't know what a
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web browser is or what Google is or what
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a search engine is like conceptually not
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specifically what a specific web browser
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he doesn't know what a web browser is as
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a concept right and he's not alone in
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that I remember a couple years ago and I
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found this link for the shownotes
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google when it was launched in chrome
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did a kind of a man on the street video
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where they're around two people and says
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what's a browser or what's a web browser
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and I put this link in the shown on a
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long series of going to people on the
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street and asking them what a web
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browser is and obviously this video is
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going to be biases they're only going to
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show the people who don't know but for
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people listening to this program who
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probably assume okay so maybe you don't
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know how to use a web browser maybe you
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don't know that Safari is the web
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browser on the Mac but surely you
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understand the concept of a thing called
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a web browser
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no no most people do not understand what
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a web browser is conceptually and I
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think this video will demonstrate that
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it's not hard to find
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tons and tons of people who have no idea
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what it is so when when Joe Perillo was
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looking around he sees Safari which he's
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familiar with because the icon and the
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name are the same as they are on iOS
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devices right but he still doesn't know
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what it is he says ah Safari he's
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talking to the camera and it's sometimes
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he's talking with confidence because he
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has so much experience with his iOS
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devices so I'll confidently say things
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like uh Safari is just another kind of
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Google and Isis on a safari that
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he says safari is Apple's Google trying
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to parse that one if you're if you're a
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tech nerd that shows just a complete
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complete lack of conceptual
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understanding what these things are ah
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because you don't need to know what's a
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web browser what's an operating system
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what is a search engine
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how does the web work where does the
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software that make Google Google stuff
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run work we don't just you don't need to
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know that to be productive and use it
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but we just all assume that people who
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are able to use this stuff do know this
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stuff they don't they don't know what an
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application is what a search engine is
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what the web is what a web server is
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what a web browser is so Google did as
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part of the same PR push they have an
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entire website that explains the Google
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tries to explain what a web browser is
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and of course they promote chrome it's
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all about promoting their web browser so
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the video starts that one explains is
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the most important program on your
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computer is your web browser which a
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well surprised that Google would say
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that the most important program is your
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web browser because they're a web
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company and B I love that their very
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first sentence assumes you know what a
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program is which I wouldn't inhabit is
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how most important program they don't
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say application they say program but who
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the hell knows what a program is I bet
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if you ask people what's a computer
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program they it would be just as
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depressing as a video about what's a
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browser yeah yeah and even in the video
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they say things like you get to your web
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browser by clicking on its icon I just
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shaking my head at that like that's
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assumes assumes facts not in evidence
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yeah there are icons there's clicking
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there's what I don't you know so I and
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again again listen I mean we talk about
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our kids and and how they used iOS
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devices so easily compared to computer
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devices like my son understands that
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you've got to put your fingers on the
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trackpad and then moving them on the
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trackpad makes the cursor move on the
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screen and that you have to you have to
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but for him it's it's clearly a bunch of
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he what he asked me the other day well
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why can't you just touch the screen yeah
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I said well that's the way the computer
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works oh why that that why does it work
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like that you know like this was you
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know clearly I'm like using it like even
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in his mind he understands that there's
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a different mode of working there
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and it's it's just fundamentally
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interesting I've told this story before
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I don't know if we've talked about it a
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friend of mine he's a software developer
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he's like a CTO and his wife the way
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that she worked on her computer when she
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would use it everything would happen in
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Google she'd launch Firefox Firefox was
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set to have Google as the page for her
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to go to a website she would search for
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it in Google this is how she function
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she Google homepage would come up in the
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little search box she would type even if
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frequently typing the domain that she
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wanted so let's just she wanted to do
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some shopping at Pottery Barn she'd go
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fire up Firefox it would come up in the
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Google search bar she would type Pottery
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Barn maybe she would type
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potterybarn.com
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and the search results would come back
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and she would read them find Pottery
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Barn click Pottery Barn and although he
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had explained to her that she could just
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type it in the menu bar this was more
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comfortable for her and that's how she
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and I've seen so many people do this
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that it really just shows you that for
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them the the web browser is a way to get
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to content but that's entire you search
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for things you find things and at the
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end of the day it's about getting
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information it almost sounds like what
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this guy when he was Chris Perlas dad
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when he when he was saying that Safari
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is Apple's Google that for him it that
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that means it's a presentation layer for
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one point in the video he typed the word
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Google into the Google search box to get
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to Google and we've all seen people do
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the static to get to Google they typed
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Google in the Google search box as part
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of their browsers UI or like the Omni
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bar the address bar right at kg Hill in
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chat room says he sees college students
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do this all the time very smart educated
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people who use computers all the time so
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this is a very complex issue so he his
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goal is to get to something familiar so
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he wants to get to Google or the Google
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as he calls it which is awesome it's
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like the MT and I love it so he's
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looking for something familiar as
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interface and since he has such vast
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experience with iOS a lot of the icons
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that are in the default dock I think I
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think it was just a default
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configuration for the most part of this
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Mac so it wasn't all customized a lot of
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those icons and the names are familiar
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to him and by the way he figures out
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that that's a doc probably because he's
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heard the name doc before and it's the
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only thing on the screen looks vaguely
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doc like right so he sees that sometimes
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without even launching them he assumes
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they're just like the iOS thinks I was
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like one of them one of the times he
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said I know what that one is so I loaded
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it on that's that's iPhoto that's new
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because they're just been the
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announcement of the new iPads and they
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did the demo the iPod of you so he's so
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plugged into tech that he knew that
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there was an apple then he knew the new
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version were Iowa iPhoto for iOS was out
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he didn't doesn't know what iOS is
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probably and doesn't know that iPhoto
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for iOS is you know or any of those
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details but he knows that this is new so
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when he sees iPhoto in the Mac stock
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he's like that's new he doesn't know
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that that iPhoto program has almost no
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relation to the one that was
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demonstrated and just really she doesn't
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know that program iPhoto has been around
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for years right and he just moves on to
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the next one photo booth he goes yeah I
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got that app a lot of these are direct
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quotes him yeah I got that app he says
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about photo booth because photo booth is
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in iOS devices
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photo booth on the Mac it looks and
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works a bit kind of the same as photo
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booth on thing but he's he's not making
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a distinction between these applications
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and iOS in these applications in the Mac
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he'll actually launches the calendar app
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and the calendar app actually does look
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like the iOS version he says yeah this
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is just kind of an expanded version of
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the calendar I guess it's bigger here
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when you're on the computer instead of
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on iOS again not really drawing a
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distinction between the two things and
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seeing these familiar names an icon
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sometimes familiar UIs
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boost his confidence so when he gets to
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address book he says there's a quote
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from address books that's probably all
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your contacts
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well not probably that is all your
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contacts I'm sure he's totally sure
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without even launching this program on a
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computer he's never seen before the
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address book applications where his
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contacts are he's the icon looks the
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same because the name looked the same
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and I bet when he launches it he
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expected it to look like what it looks
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like on the Iowa's thing and lo and
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behold he was online if he had launched
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it would have looked a heck of a lot
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like the one on iOS this is a good
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example of the the halo effect in action
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here because he's never used the Mac
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born his life but already he sees finds
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things that make him comfortable in the
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environment even if it's just a name or
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an icon or the look of an apple gate and
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despite the fact that him figuring out
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how to add an event to the calendar you
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know would probably be very different
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than doing it in iOS it's it's just
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level of comfort that he gets from
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seeing these familiar items and what he
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says this is great another instance of
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him he says Apple or Mac or whoever did
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a good job of training me as he's saying
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basically because he'd use iOS devices
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he's saying that whatever that company
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is that makes these devices if that
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company's called Apple or Mac and I just
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love it when people call Apple Mac it
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blows my mind that even after all these
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years the depressants of Mac is a
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product and apples the company is still
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completely unclear in the minds of most
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people that you know the Apple is a
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company and Mac is a product especially
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with the iPhone and the iPod iPod is
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clearly a product I don't think people
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say iPod made that but they always say
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Mac made that and you know what's
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interesting John is that I don't care
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people making this mistake outside of
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computers quite as often yeah it seems
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to be a specific specific to computers
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kind of a problem yeah like where thee
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is probably for people who are old
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enough like he definitely is to remember
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the Mac PC Wars that was always Mac
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versus PC it wasn't Apple versus PC yeah
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or even Apple versus Microsoft so Mac
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becomes a company but but he notes he
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has a moment of self realization that
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all this time he spent using iOS devices
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has trained him to understand the visual
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language of of Mac OS 10 and he says
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it's kind of the same thing on the
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desktop as on this thing consistency he
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notes the consistencies is something
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that he's noticing between his
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interfaces even though Mac OS 10 looks
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almost nothing like I always got windows
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and a menu bar for crying out loud and
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the dock and all that stuff it's not
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that it looks it doesn't look the same
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doesn't pay obscene uses different user
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input but it's the visual design
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language of Apple's products even if
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it's just bound like the style the icons
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are there photorealistic are they
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cartoony how is that dock drawn is it
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like a shiny thing or is it like you
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know does it look like plain and flat
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like Metro UI does that visual language
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makes gives him something to anchor on
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to even if the details are different he
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says looking at the dock it didn't have
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to search for the stuff in the dock
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saying he did have to search for it was
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just right there in front of them this
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this reinforces the idea that if it's
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not on the dock it doesn't exist because
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he spends a long time maybe 15 minutes
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pondering what's in the dock never
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thinking because he's got no finder
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windows open right it's just the dock
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the screen with the desktop background
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never pondering the fact that there
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could be things on his computer that are
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not in the dock because how the heck
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would you get to them you think he's
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going to go like the hard drives aren't
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mounted a desktop by the fall you think
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he's going to go the go menu and go to
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computer and find the Applications
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folder and open it and open no he has no
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idea that exists he never finds it in
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this program he just looks at the dock
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and that's why before lying there was
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such a steep drop-off because we like if
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it's not in the dock then what do you do
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then you got to understand the finder
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and forget about that we've already
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talked about understanding the file
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system quote/unquote understanding the
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the file hierarchy nothing that's not on
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the dock doesn't exist but eventually
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eventually he finds Launchpad which is
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in the dock by default and that as I
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said in my lion review tries to bridge
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this gap between things that are in the
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dock and things that are on your
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computer but not in the dock and if you
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told people that well once it's not in
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the dock you have to navigate the finder
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to find your applications all so much
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stuff might be in the utilities folder
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and it's just that's way too much so he
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clicks on launch pad he doesn't know
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what it's gonna do but he says his
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called launch pads got a rock out and he
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thinks it'll have to do with launching
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applications he's right what appears on
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the screen is tons of application
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sneaked in he pretty much correctly
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surmises this must these must be all the
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applications that are on this computer
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here and here's iMovie this is another
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one that he recognizes or does he
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recognize it from from from PR
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literature or from iMovie and iOS so
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this I think was a demonstration of the
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success of launchpad that there was just
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no way this guy was going to discover on
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his own
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how to navigate to the finder to get the
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Applications folder and even if he did I
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think he would find it confusing but
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something called Launchpad in the thing
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by default which I and my set in my line
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review none of us are ever going to use
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it we're all gonna use Quicksilver or
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however we already have existing methods
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of launching stuff but for novice people
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Launchpad is a very very important
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feature this is by John Gruber who's
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always saying that he thought that Apple
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would like Launchpad to be the default
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interface and not had the finder at all
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and there's definitely something behind
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that because imagine this guy didn't
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have to find Launchpad but the whole
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screen was like springboard he would
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have had a lot you know it would have
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been more welcoming for him because just
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because he's still familiar with it from
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iOS as long as they didn't actually take
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away the finder than the rest of us
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wouldn't scream bloody murder is
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interesting also when he saw launch pay
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says these must be all the applications
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that are on
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computer here and then he kind of back
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bells and says all this stuff is not
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only here but probably on his MacBook
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and iPad too like he was talking about
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his son stuff like his idea was that
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these icons he were seeing weren't
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necessarily represented what was on this
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physical computer but there were
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probably applications that were on all
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of his son's stuff so he was probably
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seeing every application installed on
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his iPad on his macbook pro and all
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these other computers that he knew by
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name that his son owns such amazing
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faith in the cloud that somehow we had
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you know that there now we're back into
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the world of X Windows network
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transparency sorry I should not call it
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X Windows you know people who are
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listening this program don't tell me I
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shouldn't call the X Window System
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that's right please I think x11 is as
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x11 acceptable text eleven rc3 would
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acceptable next Windows is yes but he
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this cloud stuff has got him so confused
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that now he's jumped he's jumping the
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gun and he's saying there are no
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barriers I'm looking at I'm looking at
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applications across CPU architecture he
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doesn't know any of this across cross
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CPU architectures across physical
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machines all transparently accessible to
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me but the most important thing to this
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and this whole demo video demonstrates
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he continues to make no differentiation
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whatsoever between Mac and iOS
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applications Apple is basically iOS to
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this person because that's how he and I
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think the most people that many more
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people use iOS devices then use Mac's
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Apple basically is the iOS company no
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differentiation is made between a Mac
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application and iOS application he just
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assumes his iPad applications could
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appear on this screen and it would be
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available launch app like he doesn't
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give the thought of like well how the
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hell would that work when I stab the
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screen with my finger I mean I've got a
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mouse here it's totally different so
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that was definitely an eye-opener that
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that distinction was just so clear to us
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it was not important to him and so that
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someday if the Apple ever does merge
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these things together or not merge them
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but like it's been moving towards the
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point where all the applications are
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transparent and iOS applications Mac
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applications start looking more like iOS
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applications and you can you know have a
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device that can run both of them
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whatever this guy is already there he's
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way ahead of Apple and he's like well
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what why do I care the difference in a
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Mac app and an iOS app I just want to
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use the application
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oh and I see double clicks and the
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Evernote application to watch it you
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know they he'll if you have a mouse in
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your hand
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double click everything I think we've
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all seen this one as well ah but the
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thing is to think about double clicking
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the reason it doesn't go away people
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double clip links in their web browser
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people double clip things in the doc
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double click things Launchpad is because
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it works like the first click registers
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a second click does nothing and their
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application launches and they say now my
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my choice has been reinforced I double
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clicked it opened the end and that's
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from people who've been around the block
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a while but C's used computers long
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before our iOS or anything came along
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and you had to double clicked open that
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was the whole language of the Mac
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double-click glogster application
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windows adopted it exactly the same
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double-click open a folder double-click
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to launch application right so if you
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see it double click it if you got a
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mouse in your hand double click it it's
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like put a burden on it for computers
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you know about put a bird on it everyone
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knows about that right in lightness when
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you don't know about put a bird on it
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I'm not gonna explain it to you alright
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then I'm a nice man I'm Talia spies from
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the television show Portlandia just
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Google for Portlandia put a bird on it
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you'll find it I've never seen that show
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I've just watched a few episodes so
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eventually he does find the Google he
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ends up in Safari which recognizes a web
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browser he gets stuck in like Google
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Plus for a while I think he tries to
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click the Google logo a few times but
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doesn't take you to the Google search
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page uh but he want he wants to get to
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you know the Google homepage just
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imagine though imagine for a minute John
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imagine for a minute and for all of
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those who are listening if you didn't
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have the tool that we all take for
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granted the address bar if that was gone
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and you didn't know it was there like
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maybe you saw it but that wasn't for you
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imagine how would you get around if you
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couldn't get to that Google page if you
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couldn't make the how do you get that
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thing up on the screen I don't know it's
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like that game where you try to go from
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one Wikipedia page to the other and a
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fewest number of clicks right all right
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you just had to build this chain and
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unfortunately with the internet the only
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thing that's easily changeable to and a
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few number of links is porn if you want
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to get through some specific site it's a
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little bit more difficult cuz yah-hoo
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links to google.com how many links are
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there that
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not many but he eventually gets there
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and I think the great thing about him
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getting there as soon as that pagelet is
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like ah there it is
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what was actually on that page was one
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of those crazy Google logos because they
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changed her logo for holidays and stuff
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like that it didn't say Google and the
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Google font with the colors and
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everything it was some other crazy logo
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but he had no trouble recognizing that
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was the Google homepage despite the fact
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that if you were give like an image
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recognition program say are these two
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images is the same it would have said no
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because like this one has you know
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Google written in green and yellow and
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red letters and this one has some crazy
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tire that's vaguely in the G shape
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that's something you know because he
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knows Google changes this logo a lot and
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had no trouble recognizing the Google
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homepage and this reminded me of the tag
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on interface book that I quoted in my
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lion review uh that emphasizes that
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things don't have to look exactly the
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same they just need to be recognizable
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and the Google homepage did not look the
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same as the Google homepage on that on
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the previous day or the next day when
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they change the logo around but he
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recognized it so you don't need the same
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thing with the iOS icons the iOS icon
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for I thought doesn't look the same as
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the Mac one for iPhoto but he
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immediately recognized that his I fo toe
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I mean yeah says the word I thought of
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your mouse is over - but like even
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looking in the launch pad he wasn't
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mousing over them to work you know
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recognize these things he he oh that's
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the iPhoto icon there's a familiar a
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family resemblance let's call it between
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these things I think Apple leverage is
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that much more than people think they do
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because like all they made a new icon
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for it or but but it's the same icon as
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far as people who are not interested in
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details and are not tech nerds are
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concerned and once he finds it he
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doesn't have to go through that again
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because this is an ordeal to get at the
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Google homepage without the ability to
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use the address bar or any knowledge
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that exists Aaron so he wants to do
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something so he doesn't have to do that
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again and he merely says I want to put I
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want to put that down there he point you
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know like the doc he wants to put the
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Google homepage in the doc because this
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is some place he wants to go immediately
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and why not put it in the doc right now
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Safari is already in the doc and Safari
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as he says he says Safari I know is the
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same type of thing but I'm just used to
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the Google so he doesn't want Safari he
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wants Google despite the fact that he's
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loading Safari in Google again not
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knowing what a web browser is right
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having seen his progress so far can you
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imagine trying to explain to him how
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to get a bookmark into the doc I bet a
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lot of tech nerds don't know that it's
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like well bookmarks they're just
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existent in the menus in my web browser
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but how do I get a physical file
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representation you know what is a web
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block file and who knows about that
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stuff not a lot of people and getting
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that into the doc that means you'd have
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to put it in the file system somewhere
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and then drag it from wherever you put
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it in the you know in the finder drag it
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on to the doc that is tasks I would not
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like to see what he ends up doing at one
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point though is he's got the Google on
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his screen actually got Google com
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loaded in Safari he minimizes the window
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and the window goes into the doc and
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he's like okay that window went there
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that is that's my go-to example I was
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beautiful to see it demonstrator my
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go-to example when people say all this
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stupid eye candy wizzy effects you know
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stuff that Apple does especially when
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Hawk was first coming out like who the
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genie effect oh that's such BS where
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they wasted my CPU cycles on that I
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don't need that stuff you just stupid
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toy computer just get things done or
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anything it's squeezed into the dock
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it's dumb and I've always said that yeah
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it's fine to rail against superfluous
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visual effects and certainly I turn off
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tons of them but the genie effects which
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was the highlight flagship introduction
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to aqua visual effect that everyone
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who'd not about when Mac os10 was
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introduced or at least Mac users did
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because no one else was watching ah that
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effect serves an incredibly important
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purpose which is to tell you where your
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window went and here's this guy who
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minimizes the window for the first time
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his entire life and he knows just where
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it went why does he know where I went
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cuz he saw it pour into there he knows
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exactly where it is right it is not it's
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not there for its health that's exactly
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the reason the genie effect is there
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because if it just blinked away or gone
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real fast the smooth animation let him
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see where when he didn't even bad eyes
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like right so that's there so now I have
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that if I wanted again and at some point
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he like opened it up again and it came
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back he's completely comfortable I want
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to have google.com so I can find it let
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me just put it over there up I see where
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it went when I hit that button now I
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know where to find it a great
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demonstration of that but before he does
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that when he's trying to say of Google
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he tries to go into like the bookmarking
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type of thing so he's mouse and over
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stuff and he ends up finding a reading
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list and he ends up activating that ring
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list is Apple sort of Instapaper clone
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slash competitor thing where you can
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save things for reading later it's built
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into Safari
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and so he ends up at I don't know how he
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ends up clicking up it's you can't see a
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screen that much but it says add to your
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reading list and he says there's another
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quote from him not quite sure what that
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means but I want it so I'm going to add
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so he doesn't know what reading list is
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but he wants to save this thing so he's
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gonna say okay so he's pretty brave for
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a computer you know it's just kind of
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plow ahead reading list whatever and so
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what happens when you add to reading
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list is there's an animation that shows
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like the favicon or something like
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jumping from where it was and it sort of
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jumps into the upper left corner it
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jumps into where the eyeglass icon would
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be I think it's supposed to be jumping
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into in the in the Safari bookmark bar
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and this what he says he says okay so I
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put it somewhere I saw a little gizmo
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jump so maybe it's in this thing so we
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kind of saw like that animation is not
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as successful as the as the doc one
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because you can't tell where ice landing
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right but he kind of saw where it went
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like the idea that if you want to see
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this thing again click on the thing
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where that animated little thing ended
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up and hands up missing it I think hands
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up in like the bookmark thing he didn't
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hit the glasses yet the little thing
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looks like an open book so it wasn't
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that successful but at least they gave
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him a clue like that you know just
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having animation is not sufficient
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animations can be misleading I think
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that animation is too fast and it's not
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clear where it went may be able to
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highlight it or where it landed or
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something like that but to let people
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know the effects of their actions this
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was way better than nothing because if
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he'd said a dreamless okay and the
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dialogue had just gone away then he's
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like are where the hell is that
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at least this gave him a fighting chance
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you know he he spent the rest of time
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like looking through all the
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applications in the doc so male died
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happy look at that he says I'm not sure
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what male would get probably Gmail and
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he says I'm sure all I'd had to do was
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put in my user name and password and
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probably take me to Gmail but he
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launches mail and does that setup thing
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and he assumes that in the setup thing
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if he was merely to enter his username
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and password for Google then he'd be
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able to get his Gmail this is kind of a
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dangerous thing where people just just
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you know he has some preconceived
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notions about mail and mailed to him
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means Gmail because that's what he uses
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and he used perfectly willing to type
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his gmail username and password into
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completely unknown
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completely unknown
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dialog box in an application that he's
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never seen before because it said the
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word mail on it and you know who knows
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if you'd you know be unsuccessful
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because it would not be sending up a
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gmail account or this is a username
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password or something else people will
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type their username password into almost
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anything and it shows that web
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properties like Google just take such
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incredible ownership of people's minds
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like the Internet and everything
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associated with it is Google emailed to
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him as Gmail it's like I got to get on
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the Google got to get to my gmail
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anything has to do with mails clearly
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only Gmail because that's what mail is
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to me and I think these the web things
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take such ownership of people's minds
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because they're everywhere the
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omnipresent and they're very consistent
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so he could probably use his gmail from
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his iOS devices you can use it from his
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phone he can use it from his PC and it's
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the one thing probably in his computing
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life that has been the most constant
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over the years that he's used Gmail same
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thing with Google you can get to the
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Google anywhere you can get to the Gmail
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anywhere and even though these devices
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change and interfaces change and all
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this stuff that's around them changes
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that stuff is consistent so it
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completely owns this guy's mine he is
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totally in the bag for Google it shows
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the incredible power of web properties
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also because there's only a few basic
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things you have to know to use the web
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like you don't there's not the
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vocabulary things you can do in the web
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this is links you click on there's a
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back button that's pretty much all you
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need to know to do almost anything on
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the web and he's leveraged that ability
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to make Google a big part of his life he
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recognized the app store again doesn't
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differentiate between the iOS the Mac's
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turbo here's the App Store not here's
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the Mac App Store I think he would have
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been this is a very surprised if he
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spent this entire time using the
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computer and did not find the app store
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bees look whereas the app store like if
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there was no Mac App Store is another
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instance where I think customers were
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actually ahead of Apple all of us nerds
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were like on the fence about all is
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there going to be an app store for the
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Mac once the app store came out wait
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until they have an app store for them
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back it's going to be doom Apple has to
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approve all your applications all no
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they'll never do the App Store for the
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Mac Mac's or pcs they have to be
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general-purpose computers you can't do
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is approve or process or whatever and
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then when the Mac App Store came out
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there's all this hemming and hawing
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but for this guy for there not to be the
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App Store not a App Store but the App
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Store on the Mac why would happen that
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have isn't Apple the you know
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isn't this the App Store company
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if the AppStore wasn't there it would be
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shocking to him probably so for all of
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us thinking we're like we're technology
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nerds and we're futurist and we're
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thinking ahead in the future this guy's
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already head of all of us he's he's
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saying applications I don't care where
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they live I just want to use them store
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they should just be a store where I buy
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stuff I don't care what platform it is
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you know why should the Mac not have of
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course it has an app store to the App
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Store it's everywhere he activated
[TS]
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Mission Control at one point and that
[TS]
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was kind of confusing to him because
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there was no apps open but eventually he
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got to dashboard and figured out how
[TS]
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that work and he liked all that that was
[TS]
02:02:44
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interesting to say uh some other funny
[TS]
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bits from random parts the thing at one
[TS]
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point he finds the window closed box I
[TS]
02:02:52
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think his son prompted him in a few
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cases that try to figure out how you
[TS]
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close the window and he finds the the
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close button because as an X on it me as
[TS]
02:03:00
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familiar with that visual language from
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from Windows with the X of closing
[TS]
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things and he offers his speculation on
[TS]
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why the closed boxes in the upper left
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corner in stead of the correct place
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which as we all know is the upper right
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hand corner windows XP user right and he
[TS]
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says oh that's probably there because of
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copyright like that that Apple would
[TS]
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have loved to have put the closed box in
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the upper right hand corner but they
[TS]
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weren't allowed to because of some legal
[TS]
02:03:23
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thing mm-hmm they couldn't put it in the
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normal place for legal reasons
[TS]
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Nick great but but actually he does he
[TS]
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does have a very inquisitive inquiring
[TS]
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mind he thinks things through and none
[TS]
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of the conclusions he comes up with
[TS]
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might not be right well that's
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influenced by like he probably lived
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through like the lawsuits of the one
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field also do you men not know what look
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and feel also it is but maybe he
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remembers something about legal stuff
[TS]
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and something about you know pictures on
[TS]
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computer screens or just the concept
[TS]
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that someone might not be able to put a
[TS]
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control in a familiar place for legal
[TS]
02:03:56
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reasons I think it's a sad comment on
[TS]
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our legal system that we just assume he
[TS]
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assumes that the legal system is so
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awful that something simple and obvious
[TS]
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like putting a button in the upper right
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corner at the upper left tower could be
[TS]
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prevented by the law which depresses me
[TS]
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because a I know that's actually true
[TS]
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and be the fact that everybody knows
[TS]
02:04:15
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it's true that we're just in this
[TS]
02:04:16
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horrible broken system and it's not a
[TS]
02:04:19
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secret to anybody very very sad he
[TS]
02:04:23
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complains about the EULA the end user
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02:04:25
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License Agreement that appears when he
[TS]
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launches iTunes which by
[TS]
02:04:27
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the way he hates iTunes he hates iTunes
[TS]
02:04:28
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because I think I I'm surmising that he
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attachments because that's the place
[TS]
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where sync happens and sync is a
[TS]
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complicated thing that normal people
[TS]
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don't understand and that rarely works
[TS]
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correctly and is very hard to implement
[TS]
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and it seemed very difficult for people
[TS]
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to debug even computer experts so iTunes
[TS]
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is the home of his suffering and he
[TS]
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doesn't like I join so many launches it
[TS]
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brings the big EULA and he takes the
[TS]
02:04:49
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time to do an aside and says right away
[TS]
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I see you look at this thing they give
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you so many pages nobody can read this
[TS]
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unless you're a lawyer you have no idea
[TS]
02:04:54
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what it means even non nerds know that
[TS]
02:04:59
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you know even non tech nerds know
[TS]
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whether being screwed by lawyers and the
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anti because that's common phenomenon
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outside the tech world anytime you see a
[TS]
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giant wall of text that it wants you to
[TS]
02:05:08
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agree with it's written illegally as you
[TS]
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are being screwed he knows it I know it
[TS]
02:05:11
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everybody knows it but what he says is
[TS]
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and this is a quote bottom line is if
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you decline it you can't do whatever it
[TS]
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is you're trying to do so you have to
[TS]
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agree there really is no choice
[TS]
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basically basically saying is if you
[TS]
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don't click agree the program doesn't
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open he's learned long since learn that
[TS]
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so he didn't read it he blind the clicks
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degree and continues on its way we all
[TS]
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hate you Liz crisp rails dad hates them
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too and the other thing is like because
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even though he was so familiar with this
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environment from his experience with iOS
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he's still like this this comes from not
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knowing the concepts and not having the
[TS]
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vocabulary but at one point he's talking
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about the thing on the screen and he
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says to his son did I call them Windows
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like he wants to know if on Mac as you
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would say the things on the screen are
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called windows or if there's a different
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terminal like he doesn't recognize
[TS]
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Windows as a generic term for a region
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on the screen that you can move around
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02:06:04
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right Windows is a brand name and things
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and windows are windows but what do you
[TS]
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call these things like but I call them
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windows here that's crazy was I could
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not believe when I heard like you would
[TS]
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think you would think there's there's
[TS]
02:06:16
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got to be some general vocabulary that
[TS]
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people know from computer so they
[TS]
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understand they understand what a window
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is and that that's a generic term but he
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asked the question do they call them
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maybe they call them something else
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maybe they call them like apple fritters
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I don't know what they can call him and
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they come seeds this is some sort of
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Apple based analogy for it did they call
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them Windows yeah they're called windows
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well and you know what what's actually
[TS]
02:06:36
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interesting about that to me 9
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you're not attacking the guy but almost
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in his defense he wants to use the right
[TS]
02:06:42
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terminology for the right thing he said
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it might not be called this and who
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knows one maybe it's a copyright thing
[TS]
02:06:47
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there what did they call them he at
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least understands that it might be
[TS]
02:06:51
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something different yeah but that's
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that's a the foreignness oh yeah the
[TS]
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other thing like when you don't have any
[TS]
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foundational fundamental understanding
[TS]
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of like the concepts that underlie these
[TS]
02:07:03
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things when you're shown one that's not
[TS]
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familiar you have note that there's like
[TS]
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nothing beneath you it's like did up
[TS]
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could be down black could be white you
[TS]
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know all right so he's able to latch on
[TS]
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the visual similarities and feel
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comfortable when he sees things of the
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same but there's no windows on iOS right
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so he doesn't know if those are the same
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and is that like if you if you go down
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in his windows knowledge is nothing
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underneath them it's just he knows
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windows but has not generalized from
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Windows to the concept of a desktop
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concept of a window and there are
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different implementation details and the
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mentions that the scroll wheel is
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smaller on what I'm assuming he's using
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a Magic Mouse he must have the little
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the ball the trackball in there he says
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still in the Mac PC mindset that he
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can't admit that he likes Mac's better
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because it's like the us versus them you
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know right his Ford Yankees versus Red
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Sox Mac versus PC right he sees kind of
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an anachronism in that regard like us
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are probably not discoverable if you
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don't know what a little thing is stick
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another mouse you might not touch cuz
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you be afraid to break something but
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once you discover how scroll wheel works
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no one had the show on how to use the
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scroll ball no one had to show him how
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to scroll is a window I bet I don't even
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couldn't even tell the scroll bars
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because well maybe the scroll balls were
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even invisible but he's a scroll like
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scrolling like crazy never questions it
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so he does have some sort of
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foundational conceptual knowledge but
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it's so low leveled that he doesn't even
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know it exists so he never thinks to
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question it so the conclusions here wrap
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this up the conclusions that that he
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comes to is son asks um so you know
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here's your
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first I'm using a Mac what do you think
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he says he thinks the Mac is doing a
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better job with consistency and that was
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the old rallying cry of the Mac on the
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Mac PC today speaking of which it will
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say all when all Windows applications
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behave differently but Mac's rigorous
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human interface guidelines dictate that
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Mac apps have to work sort of the same
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that knowledge to use other ones with
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Windows apps for doing all sorts of
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crazy things and you'd have like a a
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Windows app that had like DOS keyboard
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commands you need to use the function
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keys and everyone was doing something
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differently and even Microsoft would do
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its menus differently in every version
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of Microsoft Office so consistency but
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what he means by consistency is looks
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like iOS he doesn't mean that the Mac is
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consistent you in itself consistency
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means this looks like iOS so for
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everyone who's griping about you know
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why are they making all these Mac
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applications look like iOS applications
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is so horrible to making their
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applications work that you know there
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are bad things about that and I
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complained about it too but the obvious
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good thing is that people who use iOS
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devices of which there are many many
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millions and growing all the time
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like it when they go to a Mac and stuff
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looks the same even if it doesn't behave
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the same even if the icons are
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technically different it's not the exact
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same icon even if the names are changed
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address book versus contacts even like
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the icon is the same consistency means
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looks like iOS as far as the general
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public is concerned he mentions that
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even though he loves XP he was forced to
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get Windows 7 because they don't sell XP
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anymore and he's kind of in a
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transitional period with Microsoft where
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they're trying to get off their legacy
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OS on to their new interface and so
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Windows 7 and 8 are scary and unfamiliar
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to him and if he wasn't forced to use
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them he'd still be using XP if he could
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so he's kind of like set in his ways and
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comfortable to XP doesn't see any reason
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to change and that's the challenge for
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Microsoft is to get those guys onto
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Metro and make them feel comfortable
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with this as the opportunity for Apple
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to say look if you're going to be
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uncomfortable anyway why not be
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uncomfortable in this other thing and
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hey at least as nothing reminds you of
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iOS which you if you you like and you
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know so I think Apple has a strong play
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for getting Joe Perillo over Heather
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camp if they chose to do that I did
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dispatch a team he said he'd like to
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learn numbers which was puzzling to me
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he was an accountant apparently and I'm
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sure he already knows Excel examine her
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at some point for anyone knows about
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excel in numbers like this does nothing
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in numbers that you need to go check out
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because some revolution is
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it's a pretty basic spreadsheet then
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maybe a little bit easier to use Excel
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for someone who's never used a
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spreadsheet before but if you're
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familiar with Excel
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you know why does he think he needs to
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check out numbers maybe thinks is like
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because he's into accounting and they
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thinks there could be something
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interesting over their numbers but it
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shows the strange pull that applications
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that we think are boring like all
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numbers well whatever like it's you know
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I don't have to buy office it's nice to
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have a spreadsheet but numbers is not
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setting the world on fire but people who
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haven't used it apparently interested in
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it or at least one guy intrigued by
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numbers uh and I think the end Chris
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Pirillo asked his father what he thinks
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about the future and he thinks the
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future is the iPad
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he says if he's iPad is so smallest is
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if I could get over this hump with the
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cloud you'll probably do everything a
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tablet type computer I don't know what
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he's talking about the hump with the
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cloud I guess maybe it's getting over
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the idea that everything you have isn't
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on your computer but it's spread out
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everywhere ah the only thing you need
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because occasionally you're going to
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need to print something so you have ax
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you have to have access to a printer so
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he's basically if I could just have a
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tablet and do everything on that because
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he obviously loves his iPad and then
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maybe have access to a printer because
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he's old and thinks you're gonna have to
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print things on paper and sadly he's
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probably right and he doesn't Oh about
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air print or anything like that that's
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what he thinks the futurist this guy the
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the future the computer non-technical
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nerd is once again ahead of us all
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saying he's already jumped ahead he's
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like afraid I'm not interested in PCs or
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whatever I could just do everything that
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tablet would be happy I thought it was a
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pretty amazing conclusion because you
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expect him to say I just wanted my
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Windows PC and I wonder ever to change
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no it's like just this is all just a
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hassle and silly and let's just do
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everything on tablets
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he doesn't say I Paddy's is on a tablet
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right on a tablet type computer so
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that's an opportunity for Microsoft I
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guess if they can make a good Windows 8
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tablet and make it familiar enough to
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get this guy so he doesn't go over to
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the Apple camp and you can get him off
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of his iPad that could be your future
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right board for Joe Perillo
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so that was long but I found this video
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fascinating you're gonna watch it and
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think it's really boring because it's a
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lot of time with just soundly watching a
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guy stare at a screen but I highly
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recommend it give it a try watch the
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video very good
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you can go to go to again note a full
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confidence in sharing the URL 5x5 TV
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slash hypercritical / 59 you can see all
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the show notes and everything else we
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talked about during this show John is
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put together for you you can follow John
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on Twitter siracusa s ira c-usa it's
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that simple USA USA I'm Dan benjamin on
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twitter appreciate you listening this is
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good episode john 133 minutes just so
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I'm telling you it's always the ones
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where I think I don't have a lot of
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material always well thank you for this
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sorry for the people who want a shorter
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show I'll try again they can split it up
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I don't understand people who complain
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about the short shows you just just
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split it up don't treat it like two
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shows you got two shows today you get
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behind on your podcasting I understand I
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am still trying to make the sort of
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shorter I'm just failing I apologize
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that's the trouble with your shows I
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think the reason why people complain is
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that any any part of your show is
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equally as important as any other part
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it's not like oh well this is the boring
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part and this was the interesting part
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the whole thing is interesting John
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that's nice of you to say let's try
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another way to look at is that the whole
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thing is poor but to each his own okay
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the entire show is equally boring then
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that would actually be true just like
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any point in the universe is the center
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of universe I don't think it's like
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church I don't even I've heard it yeah
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you hear a lot of things all right we'll
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have a good week John you're doing
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