00:00:02 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► nothing is so perfect that cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► destroyed by my co-host John siracusa hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► John hi Dan I'm Dan Benjamin this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/16">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► episode number 56 we've got two great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► MailChimp comm tell me more about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► as the program goes on we also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► thank Mac Mini Colo net for providing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► the bandwidth for this episode it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► where I host a couple Mac minis and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/42">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► can host yours there to check it out Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► Mini : n slash 5x5 special deals just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/46">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► I guess it is and you were on some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► of work-related phone call I was are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► doing all right yeah you know my skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► mute button still doesn't work this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► really bothering me what is it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► doing behind them the mute button all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► I don't know taking a drink clearing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► breath then I just like to be muted my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/74">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► mother understood but since the mute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/75">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► little person with the sphere shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► head yeah thing and they would like put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► a line through it and dim it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/87">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► could tell that it was muted now nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► visually changes and the tooltip doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► even change to mute on mutes the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► way I can tell whether a mute is to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► to the menu are you on to date or you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► the newer version I haven't changed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/98">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► thing I'm on the old version I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► been on the old version I never upgraded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/101">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► to five and it's mystery to me why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► suddenly doesn't work maybe this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► Skype does is that instead of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► completely breaking the older version to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► get you to go to the new version they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► just slowly eliminate features one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► one until eventually all you can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► launch the app and it can't type can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► connect can't do anything then you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► forced to upgrade it's working because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► considered I'm like well this mute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► doesn't work one of those I'm great how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► bad could it be but I said now let me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► I'm sticking it out but if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► long period of time where you can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/133">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► me I'm probably muted and don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/134">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► follow-up yes so in the last show we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► talked about Mountain Lion a lot and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► was mentioning the way to one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► ways to bypass gatekeeper is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► control-click whatever in the finder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► select open which nobody ever does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► which if you do will not prompt you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► say you sure you want to open this blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► blah blah and some of the chatroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/162">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► mentioned that it might be are you sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► it's not a bug and I said I wasn't sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/165">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► but then subsequently in the chatroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► TMC double underscore said that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► actually advertises this feature on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► site it's this is quoting from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► override your settings by ctrl-click by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/178">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► gatekeeper leaves all up to you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/183">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► they're advertising that feature it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/184">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► like power users don't be afraid all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/185">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► basically not for you uh if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► want to open something you'll never be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/193">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► prevented from opening it just use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► thing that no one but you will ever do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► so that's an interesting use of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► obscure feature that probably has gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/200">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► suddenly has a purpose but now it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► a buck Marco was excited that he got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► correct something on the show I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► mentioned the last show about how I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► hoping some new Mac pros would come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/218">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► but they were still waiting for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► and then I was upset about the Ivy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► Bridge delay that had been reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► right first on Marco show he he talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► more about the ivory Bridget Lee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/227">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► apparently that story about the delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► dual-core ones are delayed and Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► probably anyway so it's not that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► that important Apple but the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► thing is that he said that the Mac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► are not waiting on Ivy Bridge they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► waiting on the xeon e5 Sandy Bridge CPUs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► now of course that's also speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► but it's probably I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► even know if it's a good guess like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/253">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► it you know the reason the Mac pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► aren't here is because you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► know what the macros are waiting I says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/259">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► we don't know what they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/260">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► in them when they ship ah it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/261">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► that Apple just entirely skips that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/265">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► generation of CPU and doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► smack pros for another year or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/268">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► conceivable that Ivy Bridge delayed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► not could be completely immaterial to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► the presence of Mac Pro's I just hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► they released something something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/281">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► the newer CPU than the ones they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► now talked about Mac App Store only ap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/284">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► is and mountain lion how you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► sell your app to the Mac App Store if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/292">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► you want to use certain api's and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/293">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► getting is increasing in mountain lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► right and I was talking about the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► api's which generally Mac App Store only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► and I said there's no technical reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► why those API it couldn't be available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► to non Mac App Store things and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► kind of like a carrot and stick approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/314">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► where the carrot is you get to use these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► funny pies and the stick is everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► else will be using these cool api's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► you won't so you better get into the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► reasonable reason why the iCloud api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► in particular are limited to mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► store only applications and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/331">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► server-side service of iCloud costs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/338">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► developer use it is basically saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► Apple's going to run a bunch of servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► for you and you can use them and store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► your data on them free of charge mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/348">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► because iCloud a3d customers as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/351">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► whereas if you sell your app to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► App Store at the very least Apple gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► 30% cut of your sales and that will help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► offset the server usage in iCloud I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► not sure how much I buy that theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► first of all you're allowed to have free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► apps in the NICAP store so that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► hurts you there I mean I guess they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► stuck at the $99 you for the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► membership but you know but I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► don't know I I think that that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► reason that I should have mentioned but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/379">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► I think if you were to ask Apple and got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► them in a moment of honesty they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/384">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► not tell you that the reason the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► API is are from Mac App Store only is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► because they have to defer the cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► somehow because if that was the case if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► they're really interested in deferring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/394">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► the cost I don't think thirty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► app sales is going to come close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► deferring the cost of the iCloud server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► infrastructure the cost of development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► everything I think that Apple considers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► iCloud something they have to build at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► the fact that they're giving a lot away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/409">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► for free to everyone shows that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► know they want everyone to use this much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► more than they want to actually make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► money off it so that's got to be a cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► Center for them maybe it helps that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► could possibly get a little bit of extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► money from Mac App Store sales to offset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/423">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► the cost of iCloud but but I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► I think it's mostly because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► trying to encourage people to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► applications the way they want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► in the way they want is you do it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/433">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► Mac App Store your sandbox use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► cloud a POS and I guess they have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► degree of control over you as well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► you're a registered Mac developer versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► if you just download the download Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► for free and start hacking away at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► application and put up on your website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► something it's harder for them to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► and find you and say please stop doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► please stop disturbing your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► hammers are service so as always with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/459">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► Apple lots of teary leaf reading and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► actual and so sorry that weird one there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► is notifications and mountain lion the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/468">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► big thing on the right side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/469">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► screen the new icon in the upper right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► corner that shows you notifications for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/472">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► like ah you know you have a reminder set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► or something in your calendar or a to-do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► list item that has a reminder set its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► whole bunch of ways you can be notified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/481">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► notification center in mountain lion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► as a question of like is there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► server-side component that like what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/489">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I don't even sign up for iCloud I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► have Notification Center why shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/492">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► application not distribute it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► the Mac App Store but still have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► application pop-up notifications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► say you're writing an IM client and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► notification center when a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► person logs on because you've set up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► alert for that that has nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/507">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► with iCloud that's not using any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/508">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Apple's server resources it's purely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► completely client-side API to display a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► notification in Notification Center and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► notifications across your devices now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► obviously if you're using an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► contacts or something that can be sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► to iCloud then there is a component but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► it's kind of weird that Notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► Center which you can if you squint you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/529">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► can look at and say that's an entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► client-side new API a new piece of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► that gets caught up into the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► Store only thing so that also makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► think that deferring server cost is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/539">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► the reason it is not the main reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► they make an API a Mac App Store only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► notifications Mac App Store only someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► sent in a correction about how I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► applications however pronouncing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► instant message application for the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/560">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► called Adi um how do you pronounce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► I've heard it two ways I've heard it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► I personally I say a diem but I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► idea what if that's correct and I as has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► been evidenced over the last several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► years of doing these shows I'm the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► pronunciation of anything how do you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► it I say Adam - but I was corrected on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/584">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► Twitter that it's supposed to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► Stadium and this is how the originator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/590">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► their atomizer is er I guess he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► guy originally wrote it he described as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► arrives with stadium ATM stadium hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► well you know this is something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► you have to the original creator has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/607">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► have some input on it I mean they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► ones that came up with it they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► ones that say now what's interesting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► you get the creator of Linux Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► Torvalds says I pronounce Linux as Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► that's how he says it I still in does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► say that I thought he wanted the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► way I line X ya know be the rhymes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/629">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Linus no but his name is Lynn Asst in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/633">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► backwards in my mind language yeah so uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► he is the creator of it but yet in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► very open-source mindset he says this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► how I pronounce it he doesn't say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► is how it must be pronounced so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► idiom guy is he saying this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► correct way to pronounce it or is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/660">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► just saying this is this is how I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► this was a tweet from the adium a DM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► Twitter account at twitter.com slash ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► I um I don't know who controls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► account but the acutest the cuida I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► pronunciation of Adi um is debatable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► atomizer the originator called me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/678">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► stadium way so that's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► proper way so this is a personified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► Twitter account we're saying call to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► I'm the I'm the application so ATM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► sounds like the right way to do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► right here I'm going to play this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► the benefit of the listeners now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► the clip from Lin us himself let me see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► how badly I got it wrong let us realign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/698">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► pronunciation um when I speak Swedish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/702">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► its eNOS when I speak Finnish its he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► knows when I speak English its Linus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/708">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► I really don't care how people browse my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► name but Linux is always Linux well its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► cuts off he says Linux is always Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► so that's pretty unequivocal yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► that we just need the ATM guy to weigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► the lesson for this I think is a when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► making a product and choosing a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► name and same thing for like domains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/728">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► stuff that there are some rules you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► think about like did you pick a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► domain name for your product or service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► or application and you and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► come up with some criteria HOD how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/741">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► what makes a domain name good what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► a product name good and I would think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/745">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► you went through this exercise my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► things on domain names are easy to spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/749">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► if I tell you what it is not too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► not already taken not a synonym for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► something that's bad you know it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► have a lot of homonyms all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► things like that and for a product name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► this is similar like make it so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► language you consider most important is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► the obvious pronunciation I think with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/775">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► Linux he basically did that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/779">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► that's how everybody says that they CLI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/780">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► em they're not they're not inclined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► yeah but the you know the knowing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► confused and the second thing is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► the very start have a pronunciation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► guide I can't tell you how many sites I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► go to for some open source tool or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► whatever and I I would expect to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► something and I expect one of the items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► perhaps the first time for that page to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► be how do I pronounce your name just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► make sure like put that in there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► know and then there cross the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► like SQLite EE that product yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/813">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► obvious way and it's just a big giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► mess but even something like my SQL you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► can get in trouble real real fast if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► your thing becomes popular and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► start pronouncing it one way and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► not the way you want it so the moral of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► story is pick pick names that have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/832">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► obvious pronunciation and documented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► maybe documented unlike your very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► homepage will have a big banner with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/838">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► underneath it those little pronunciation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► things or a button you can click to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► yeah alright on the last show I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► talking about and I was actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► was the title to show the region of pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► where you have a ten point something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► point-0 release that is probably full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► bugs and you have the point 1 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► point 2 and it takes a while to crank up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► subversion until the thing kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► settles down and all the bugs are ironed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► out and I mentioned that other of Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► 10 releases that have had longer have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► had a longer time in the market before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► the successor came along got really high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► up on that last number and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► remember one of them unto double digits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or something so TMC double underscore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► again in the chatroom pointed me to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► link entitled a useless analysis of OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► 10 release dates and then put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► the show notes and that just shows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► far each one got so I'll just go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► the MIR Snow Leopard got 2.8 well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► don't know maybe it'll get the point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► but right now Snow Leopard is on point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/899">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► eight leopard got the point eight Tiger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► was the only one that won two double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► digits Tiger out 2.11 panther got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► point nine jaguar got the point eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► puma got the point five and cheetah got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► the point four so cheetah obviously was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► like the big slow as molasses Harbor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/913">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► release we can't wait to get four things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► this thing they ever play so like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► replace pretty quickly in Puma got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► really plays really quickly too but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► the other ones got into like the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► know the eights nines or 11s so lion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► going to have to advance pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/929">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► if it ever expects to get into the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► know 8's 9s or 10s or 11s before ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► point eight lands this summer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► don't think it will make it it may it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► may end up ending its life kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► cheetah and Puma in the point four zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► point five which could possibly still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► in the region of pain alright and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► thing this one more thing this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/950">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► really follow up but it's related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► iCloud and it's a story they went by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► eyes this week was that Apple's has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► another data center did you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► story oh yeah you know I didn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/962">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► read the whole thing about that so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► a where was it read and I'll get it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► the show notes it's in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/971">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► already coming right now alright well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► you said you were unprepared it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/974">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► out you're prepared on my notes I want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► want you'll see I'll go off tracks I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► it okay yeah there it is right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► yeah it's not much to the story other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/983">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► about 160 acres for 5.6 million dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/989">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► and the Apple spokesperson the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► statement quoted in this article that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► linked is the Apple spokesman says we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► purchased the land and it's for a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► center so typical Apple disclosure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► more do you need to know I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► thought it was kind of weird with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► North Carolina data center how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► Apple purchases big giant data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► it's gonna be really fancies costing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► lots of money and everyone was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► excited about it and but it was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► East Coast yeah and you're like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► don't you need like at least two data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► centers if you're if you're interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► in covering the United States well don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► you need one on the west coast and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► on the East or maybe someone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► middle I forget about worldwide for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► anything like just having one data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► center in the US is weird if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► you're the future of your company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► going to be like we're going to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► online platform whatever like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► because I'm sure Google and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► other companies have data centers all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► over the place they're just they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► so this is kind of the other shoe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► dropping at least in the u.s. to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► okay fine at least we'll have an East [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► Coast in a West Coast data center now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► hundred and hundred and sixty acres [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► acres are very confusing and misleading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► for most people because an acre cent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► seems like wow it's you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► curse that's that's a huge space a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► hundred and sixty acres correct me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► I'm wrong I think it's about a quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► square mile I I can't do that math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► Amanda lies how big an acre is in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► head but I don't know if 160 acres is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► big or small for a data center I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► this it's that's a that's a decent sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► space but it's not like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► acquired like a thousand square miles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► space this is this is a large place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► a nice-size building they'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► parking for you know all of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► but this is not like a campus yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► is it the other thing is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► where all the apples data centers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► now we all know about the North Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► one because it was a big story and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► was you know that that that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► that it was gigantic and expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► it was they got a sweetheart deal on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► from the North Carolina people and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► was all sorts of stories related to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► but Apple surely has data centers all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► over the place already and we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► where all those are but seeing Apple buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► another one I guess is a good sign for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► the future of iCloud show they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► committed to it I still still wigs me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► out and we had all show about this how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► with hardware and a lot of software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► it does not right this gets back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► Joel Spolsky thing which I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► mentioned on the show when we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► this about don't outsource your core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► competency and he actually discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► things like this on on build and analyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► maybe also on back to work but on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► most recent build and analyze you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► talking with Marko about what is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► you what is it that you do well and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► the answer is not I'm really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► figuring out how small businesses should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► pay taxes then maybe have someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► do that so you can spend your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► developing software or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► that you consider the core competency of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► your company so every company has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► whole bunch of things they have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► and they have to decide which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► these things is the thing that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► good at and if you asked Apple they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► would probably say like well the purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► of our company is not to be really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► at managing payroll or to have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► good insurance on our facilities or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► have the you know to be really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► buildings and have great parking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► know these are only things they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► things that they want to do but you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► is this what Apple is about and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► answer is no then pay someone to cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► perhaps you know why are some people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► figure out the facility stuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► know that stuff you can outsource but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► you wouldn't for example outsource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► designing the user interface for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► next version of iOS because Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► say that's what we do that's our that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► our core competency and we would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► crunched we don't have enough people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► get iOS 6 out on time quick let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► outsourcing some of the work to India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► unless they're Apple's employees in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► outsourcing company and say hey we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► some screens designed for iOS 6 could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► you take no because that's their core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► competence they would never let that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► if Apple wants to base its future on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► iCloud and have iCloud be the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► for the next 10 years and all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► things that they said many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► times don't you think they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► more of a stake in what goes in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► data centers yes Apple software is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► in there too the all software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► implements iCloud is written by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► but they're not using Apple hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► they're they're not using Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► infrastructure software and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► storage management or you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► and who knows what else they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► like at some point it seems it will seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► weird maybe you know if Apple's strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► to base their future on iCloud is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► successful at some point in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► many years from now will seem weird that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► Apple's main and most important business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► machines they don't build and running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► infrastructure software that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► make so they have to pay other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► for that especially if that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► companies like Microsoft or Oracle or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► whoever else it is versus the approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► of someone like Google who basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► does everything themselves because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► recognize this is our core competency we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► run online services and we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► to be we're going to be masters of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► own destiny as far as this is desert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► we're not going to be beholden to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► third party hardware software vendor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► deal with this we're going to do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► ourselves it's kind of weird you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► well Apple doesn't make server operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► systems they don't make server hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► they sort of did it but they try you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► know does Apple have to make server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► hardware maybe that's not their core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► I think the hardware is easier to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► that Apple doesn't necessarily happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► even though they do make computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► hardware they make consumer hardware not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► Enterprise but the software like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► just the operating system but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► software that manages the data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► that that's the storage management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► process management load balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► failover just that whatever all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► things you have to do in the data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► if they're going to outsource all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► that that seems weird don't mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► want to repeat the whole content of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► path that was a great show though but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► that's still whenever I see these data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► center stuff it wigs me out a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► autodidact in the chat room says 160 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► acres is quarter square mile but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► half a mile by half a mile so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► actually is a little bigger than I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► imagining well there you go there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► all right now that's how big your plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► of land is about right alejandra my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► parents house was on like a quarter acre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► so that's how I visualize an acre just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► take like the house that I grew up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► and I take the property and I multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► by four you know what kind of a courage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► do you have where you less than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► much less than barely enough the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► but you're making it anyway yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► more densely populated here then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► Texas where everything's bigger so today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► I thought we would talk about file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► systems how do you feel about that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► that'd be amazing people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► really wanting to hear a ZFS discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► for a long time why what is ZFS who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► cares is it in OS 10 is it not an OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► will it ever be in OS 10 is it dead is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► how far back are you going to take us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► you're going to take us back to HFS hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► this is where my notes become like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► problem notes is when I construct them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► tend to put too much into them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► I realize oh for this one bullet point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► have five paragraphs of text which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► can't glance that and I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► read verbatim like I need to condense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► so that I can look at like single line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► bullet points in my outline view to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► okay remind remember to talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► remember to talk about that but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► I have this big sprawling thing of text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► site I've taken to putting certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► sections of the big sprawling wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► text in bold so I can just glance it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► bold parts remind me so this may be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► little bit scattered but we'll see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► we can do here so the file system stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► I thought I would start with what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► wrote about file systems in my Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► 10.7 lion review and I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► the first time I'd really talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► file systems in in a Mac OS tender you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► had written about it on in separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► articles and about the possibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► ZFS being a Mac it was 10 and what ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► was I remember the ZFS was first coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► out and I don't like 10 years ago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► something maybe eight years ago they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► all these cool videos online about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► and I would link them save it boy look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► at this cool thing because I'm into file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► systems but when it came time to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 review I didn't have much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► say about it until there was a big rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► about ZFS coming to Mac OS 10 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► basically what happened is that Sun went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► to Apple and pitched them on their new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► file system I said hey you know we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► got this new file systems called ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► maybe you've seen stuff on the web about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► it let's we're going to come and pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► presentation and said here's the FS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► the engineers asked them hard questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► responsible for the file system at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► sort of decided that yeah let's try the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► ZFS think this could be our ticket to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► having a new file system at Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► above going outside for something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► some software that it needs the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► barrier that I can imagine to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► typical Apple mindset is well can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► control this so for example Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► adopted the KHTML product project from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► the KDE in the Linux platform and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► sort of made it their own by turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► into WebKit because the open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► license allowed them to do that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► chant you know WebKit is still open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► source it's an open source project but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► Apple basically took over development of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► that thing and gave it a new name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► went off and ran with it so even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► this is something created by someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► else they're not beholden to someone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► advances in their web browser technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► and similarly for the BSD layer and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► their operating system BSD is is free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► for an open source and you know free for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► commercial use as long as they release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► the sources which they do is part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► darwin open source releases and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► stuff so the question was well ZFS can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► we take this and run with it like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► like the fact that someone else made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► and will continue to develop it but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► cross-purposes with sun will would be ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► so that was one of the concerns we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► the technology it seems like suns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► open-source license allows us to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► we did with WebKit or BSD or any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► other open source things that we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► where we won't be under the thumb or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► waiting on Sun to make certain changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► and you know we'll maintain our own port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► and make sure that it works in Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► and I'd remember how far we got I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► the farthest it got was like on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► calm web page for Snow Leopard it said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► stuff about ZFS and you'll be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► use the FS isn't that cool that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► early in the development process and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► eventually that text disappeared from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► apple.com and as we all know that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► did not ship their operating system with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► CFS as the default file system or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► as a support of file system although you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► could get it from Apple comm for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► here's apples port of ZFS and try it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► it was just buggy it not complete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► you're kind of glad they didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► anything with it it did they they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► a version of server with support for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► built into it but the thing is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► basically just fizzled and there's many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► questions as to why what happened is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► because son was sued by NetApp over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► patents in the file system or later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► people say well it's because they knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► Oracle was going to buy son or because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► Oracle did buy son or they decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► ZFS was not good not a good technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► fit for them inside Apple I imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► there were definitely two factions the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► people who really thought ZFS was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► awesome that Apple should adopt it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► the people who thought it's better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► server type platforms and not great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► a consumer platform but the upshot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► that here we are now in 2012 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► defaults file system for Mac OS 10 is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► it ever was H of S Plus and H of s plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► is very old thousand so I thought during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► the line review this would be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► time for me to take stock of this and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► I did a section called the state of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► file system and in it I described a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► little bit of the story and what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► the current file system is and why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► needs a change and I thought this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► something worth explaining because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► of the time you bring up file systems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► even-even to nerds but people who aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► into file systems like you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► computer programs like Oh what do I care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► what the file system is like can I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► does it does it work then why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► need to change and that's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► position again not just for regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► users regular users don't even know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► file system exists or what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► programmers disabled HFS+ is fine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► it the thing is they don't have a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► if you're not into files and technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► you don't have a good way to judge what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► makes a good file system look at because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► it basically you have reliability which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► is well does it seem to work most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► time and I guess you kind of have speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► but people tend to put speed onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► hardware they're like oh this hard disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► is really slow or this operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► application is really slow to launch or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► any of those type of things tend not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► be laid at the feet of the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► because it's as constant and since it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► hasn't changed and much in such a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► to say oh this would be faster if we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► a different file system or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► but there are better criteria for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► judging a file system and file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► have come a long way since hfs+ which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► derived from HFS and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► so you could follow the link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► directly to that particular section of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► my Lyon review and you can read about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► at length I'll summarize the few of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► things that I complained about first was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► HMS Plus in my very long experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► it tends to corrupt itself so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► not a hardware problem like a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► alright so you have you have disk disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► what's called disk first aid a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► ago yeah it's called Disk Utility now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► if you run that on your Mac and say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► can you can verify a repair you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► verify your boot disk or you can repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► another disk so if you boot from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► different disc this is or even just hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► verify on your boot disk chances are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► pretty good it will find problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► what is it what is it has a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► mumbo-jumbo it's going to say like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► correct extent block or bitmap error or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► something you know it's going to say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► and they're going to show up a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► red text and you're going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1858">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► what the heck is that and then if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► not your boot disk you can hit repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and it will go through and grind grind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► grind and find these little errors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► fix them and say repair successful then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► you run verify again it'll say ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► everything's great this is not healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► behavior for file systems where the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► system job is to keep track of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► everything is so when you ask our files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► go say ok well where where is the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► for this file and if you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► about it too much like oh isn't it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► like in one big long line and it reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► off this now it's spread all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► place and little pieces and it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► keep track of where little pieces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► what order they go in you know and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► and on until like how many files are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► this directory where do I get to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► files what are the names of those files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► all this information about where stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► is on your disk the file system has data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► structures that it manages to keep track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► structures themselves are stored on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► disk and there's a whole big hierarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► of layering for the storage but broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► speaking there when I talk about file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► system metadata it's the stuff that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► where everything is and when it finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► these errors it make a lot of them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► seemingly benign like oh this should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► this file was actually deleted but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► space used by this file still marked as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► being in use in this thing that we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► to keep track of what pieces of disk are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► used or not so I should just mark that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► I don't know how that happened but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► should fix it all the way up to I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► make heads or tails of this directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► entry I can't tell what's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► in this directory or the directory entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► says it's supposed to be 50 files in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► something's messed up here so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► quite sure what to do should I change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► so that the number says two instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► 50 or maybe they really work 50 files in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► here and I should go try and scan the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► disk and see if I can reconstruct where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► those 50 files are all this again is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► Hardware a problem your disk is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► failing although this can be part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► but these things can happen and do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► perfectly fine and this is not this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► not a good thing not a good thing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► it's very troubling would you say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► so Apple has been trying to address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► with their file system for a while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► HMS plus was derived from HFS which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► developed in like 1986 or something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► technology has been marching on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► especially in the server space you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► your servers disk to be resilient in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► case of you know that someone yanked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► the power club plugged in the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► center or you got a kernel panic or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► something like that you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► lose all your data in the server space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► so that was the first the server was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► first realm of let's care about our data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► and let's not accept that off some will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► everything's gone or you might lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► so journaling is one of the first things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► they use to address this where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► filesystem writes a little or writes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► little diary of like okay I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► do this and then it does it and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► goes back to the list and says okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► did that thing that's journaling in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► broad sense and what this lets you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► if the plug goes out in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► you doing something when you go back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► you should have a little entry in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► journal that says okay I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► this and then you can look on your disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► and see that it's like half done and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► if you have enough information you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► you can finish doing at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► because you have your little journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► entry of what you're going to do or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► can say let's go back to the time before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and pretend that didn't happen at all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► it's trying to keep track of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► plan to do and whether it's been done or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► not so when you when you start up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► HFS+ volume so they add a journaling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► hfs+ that it had some that a term it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► terminated abruptly during the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► something it will say replaying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► journal so it will see those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► journal entries and replay them and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► to get you back into a consistent state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► that's what they're always looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► in file systems is things have to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► a consistent state all the little blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► of data have to be accounted for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► files little blocks have to be there all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► the metadata has to match up so like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► said if I say that there are two files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► there should be two files in there when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► I look at my little list of files in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► directory inside the file system and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► see five but the directory says I'm only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► supposed to have three something's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► and I don't quite know what it is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► this doesn't happen like crazy and hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► disk can take a huge number of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► little tiny errors and you won't notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► everybody after they listen to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► could should reboot from their boot CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► that came with their Mac or reboot from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► an alternate drive or from the recovery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► drive they're using a line to hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► command are when you boot and run Disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► Utility on your boot disk and click the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► repair button or just click verify and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► see if you find any errors what you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► want to find is zero errors because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► that's that shows that your software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► resilient to the kinds of weird failures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► that you might have and the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► about HIV+ I think is that you will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► errors even though as far as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► concerned nothing bad happened you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► didn't there was no power failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► no one kicked out the plug nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► that see you're like well shouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► know under normal even if applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► crash under normal operation like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► don't care if the application crashes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► the application crashes when it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► middle of writing a file it should be up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► to the file system you know that the i/o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► interface isn't its job to at least make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► sure the data is consistent yet your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► your file itself could be scrambled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► contents of the file could be scrambled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► but the file system should not oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► those is file it's got 20 bytes in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► those 20 bytes are garbage because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► app crashed and just spit out random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► memory into it whatever but it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► 20 bytes I know how big it is I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► confused about where this file is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► not confused about the the blocks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► are allocated to a Miskin nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► everything is perfectly consistent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► far as the file system goes those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► the kind of errors that Disk Utility is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► finding it's finding inconsistencies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► keeping track of your data on disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► doesn't care what the date is they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► all be garbage so file system is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► concerned about that it's just supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► to keep track of everything so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► bothers me and the root cause of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► know why that happens are there many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► different reasons why the happens we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► get into a little bit later but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► that does happen is bad the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► is some issue that almost no one seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► to care about except for CFS nerds and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► think many many more people should care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► about and I've been excited as one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► the reason I was so excited about ZFS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► data integrity this is getting it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► hardware errors where you write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► program that writes out the numbers 1 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► 3 4 5 - to a file on disk you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► able to come back 6 months from now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► read that file and get 1 2 3 Pro 5 back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► ah and one of the reasons you might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► get your contents back is a hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► problem because remember these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► hard disks especially we're magnetizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► little tiny pieces of something on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► spinning platter and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► possible for one of those bits to flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► the other way cosmic rays coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► the sky hitting your flash chips all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► sorts of hardware related reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► are not the fault of the software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Apple writes that could make the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► that you previously wrote to disk be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► incorrect so this is mostly esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► academic type of thing or like oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► you know cosmic rays and bits flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► that happens so rarely and who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► cares and if one bit flips and your JPEG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► image you know who really cares doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► make a difference but what I quoted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► my line reviewer are a reference to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► studies about ok well how often does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► this happen so say it happens like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► know one in every million bits flips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► like once a year or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► Allah's no problem and when most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► these file systems were designed disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► were tiny they were like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► biggest hard disk you could get was 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► megabytes that's not ten gigabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► people is 10 megabytes you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► that was a big hunk and hard drive that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► you buy for $1000 and so I said yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► get one bit flip error and every you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► know 100 gigabytes of data but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► but our drives are ten megabytes that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► would have to let that drive sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► for 300 years before one of those bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► slipped so fast-forward to today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► it's not unheard of to have a terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► hard drive so all of a sudden that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► it's like the I've said this before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► mangled it and I'll do it again the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► in a million chance that means you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► a hundred people in China could do it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► a thousand people in China could do it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► still can't to him but the point is once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► that little info intestinal odds of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► of you know hardware-based the bit rot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► suddenly become significant so that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► did I get this quote see this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► my notes are falling down here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► quote from the study from from 2010 they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► studied one and a half million drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► over a course of 41 months and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► showed that 400,000 blocks had errors 8% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► of which were discovered during raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► reconstruction we'll talk about rate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► a little bit so when you say that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► you do the odds they look you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► oh I'm probably safe but when you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► about the idea that 400,000 blocks have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► across 1.5 million disks but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► great odds is like oh you know what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► that a one-in-four error chance that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► have a bad block on your disk those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► because blocks are actually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► pretty big and so in a certain point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► becomes someone's responsibility to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► sure that the data on disk is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and we just keep getting more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► data and I think the point that I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► in line article and if not I'll make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► now is that the data we're putting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► digitally storing is becoming more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► more important like if you lost your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► applications you can redownload them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► if you lost your files well hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► you had a backup of Monopoly those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► backups aren't corrupted but we all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► our photos on our computers and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► photos of our kids instead of most of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► don't print them and put them in albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► anymore yeah if you lost all the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► of your kids it's a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► upsetting than even losing like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► novel in progress or some work thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► that you did our videos of your kids or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► any you know the stuff we put in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► as well you know hardware is imperfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► and I had had a huge you know I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► 12 megapixel camera which you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► know which aren't that expensive these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► days and I took tons of pictures of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► kid and I filled up my terabyte hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► drive with tons of images and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► backups and everything but the backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► are corrupted because the main disk was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► responsibility of the hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► software vendor to eventually address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► this and say we need a way to know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► know that the data is correct and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► they obvious way to do that is to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► check sums on all your data which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► write the data to the disk and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► write something derive from that data so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► if that data ever changes when you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► arrive that thing from it it will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► match this doesn't fix the problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► the bits flipping that bits are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► going to be bad but what you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► is you want to know when it's bad so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► example your backup program could refuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► to backup that new version of that file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► and say well I've got an old backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► version of that file but the new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► something's happened to it on the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► and it's messed up because the checksum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► ship says it should should be this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► when I read the actual data off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► block I get something different so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► data is messed up now and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► to copy that on top of your old version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► that's what happens with corruptions if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► you don't know about it eventually all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► your backups are filled with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► corruption - like you you literally have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► no way to know if you were to go to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► HFS+ disk now and say oh can I check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► this disk to make sure all my pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► and stuff are correct no there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► you can check because you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► what the date is supposed to be you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► read what it is in sight well like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► here's the contents of this JPEG is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► right maybe you could check like is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► uh is it does it comply with the JPEG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► format but inevitably there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► big sections of data on your disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► you just have to go I guess I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► probably commit you open it up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► JPEG view and you can look at it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► see like a big squiggly lines or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► big you know colored rainbow stripes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► it you know it's messed up but that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► executable programs are even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► because you have to like run it and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► sure you you execute the piece of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► that's on that block it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► scary to think that you have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► millions and billions and billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► bytes of data and you have no idea if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► one of the many things the FS did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► address that and they said we were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► to have end-to-end data integrity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► everything and so anything is screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► anywhere we will be able to find out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► in the course of development of ZFS they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► did interesting things like found bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► in discs firmware or our drivers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► other sorts of pieces of the storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► stack that people always assumed were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► infallible like you know I have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► card that has a bunch of disks attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► to the stick into a server and ZFS would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► start complaining like all your file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► system is broken keeps complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► errors there's no errors here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► eventually you find out it's a bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► some chip on the controller for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► disk drive and you never would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► found that before it just would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► been silently corrupting your data in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► and you would have no idea that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► doing and the final thing that ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► brings a table that hfs+ needs just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► really this gets into the bait of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► is a file system and what should it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► but this is a concept of thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► logical volume management and the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► summary of that is the idea that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► single icon and your desktop it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► like one container of first stuff could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► be made up of more than one physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► thing it's divorcing the physical from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► the logical so physical volumes are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► a big square metal thing that's a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► disk or a bunch of chips that make up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► SSD and a logical volume could be is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► concept that says ok take a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► storage from here a little bit storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► from there a little storage from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► and I pull it all together into this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► big thing and this is what it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► as far as the operating system is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► concerned but behind the scenes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► physical reality is different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► there's all sorts of ways you can mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► and match that many people will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► logical volume management supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► separate from the file system the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► system should just be the concern of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► you know physical device and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► logical volume management's layer above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► that ZFS sort of combines it all into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► creeping up on something believe it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2698">TS</a>]
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00:45:30 ◼ ► you've been you've been reading the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► apparently acquired some company because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► it admittedly they don't come out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► say it's a problem but when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► acquiring a company that does things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► like this to try and make the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► better that's that's an admission that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► they want to make it better well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► don't have to wait for them to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► out how to do that you've got apps fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► today and this is because finding your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► way around the App Store figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► what apps to use it can be it can be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► big challenge and that's the challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► that people are faced with it's even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► tougher challenge if you are the creator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► of an app and you want to get your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► there and you want to get it out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► front of people you want to make it easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► for them to find forget using I mean 4k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► using iTunes in the App Store that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► that's that's tough this is where apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► fire comes into the picture it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► specifically for mobile apps they create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► a very slick guide popular guides to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► App Store and to Android users it's used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► by millions of users around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► you can discover the App Store in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► whole new way the apps of your friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► the apps of text celebrities absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► that drop in price all of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► they track it all at they make it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► easy for you as a creator to put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► app in front of a really really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► growing audience they don't pay users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2804">TS</a>]
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00:46:50 ◼ ► paying people to download it users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► download it if they want it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2812">TS</a>]
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00:47:00 ◼ ► this service if you use the code five by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► five and apparently they're giving away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► some free ad campaigns so so reach out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2825">TS</a>]
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00:47:11 ◼ ► directly they set up a special email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► address five by five at apps feiyr.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► so please do go check those guys out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► very cool service all right I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► talk a little bit about raid raid now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► first of all we should come right out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► is a backup and all you need to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► have your files on a raid system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► your fully backed up nothing to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► sit back there's no that folks that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► raid isn't backup john rate is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► back oh come on the people in about who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► know what ray did so yeah redundant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► array of independent it is inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► and expensive yeah that they changed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► didn't they change it wonder they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► probably did it because they realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2878">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► that they're making tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► selling $3,000 hard drive but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► originally it was in it was inexpensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► disks the concept is you could take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► bunch of these cheap discs throw them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► together and you could merge them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► one big volume and that volume might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► maybe behind the scenes it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► striped to make everything a lot faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► maybe a stripe for redundancy maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► was mirroring going on you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► one drive found the others would keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► working and it was the holy grail of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► storage it still maybe is well no it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► definitely isn't anymore nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► originally it was one of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► efforts to formalize the idea of I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► so much stuff that either it can't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► on one disk at the current disk sizes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► I want more performance you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► way to scale storage say look well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► got one hard drive and it's this fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► can I get two hard drives and have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► twice as fast well only if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► reading one thing from this one one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► thing from that one it's like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► want I want scalable storage I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► be able to add drives and either get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► more performance and more redundancy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► both you know if it and then you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► into situation like where okay so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► putting my data on on these five disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► or six disks or whatever if one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► disks fails do I lose all my data well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► no that's going to the raid levels which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► I'm not going to get into it's archaic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and no one should really need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► raid levels but there are many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► schemes like well if you just merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► spread the data in five separate pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► across these drives or whatever yeah if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► you lose one disk everything is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► because one fifth of your data is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► and in four-fifths of data is no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► deal so that would but do you get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► performance out of that and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► could go to mirroring where I'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► like two drives and everything is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► both drives so if one drive fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► obviously I've still got all my data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► because it was completely copied alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and there are other schemes where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► will spread the data across of a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► of drives and use one other drive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► write something that's to derive from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► it is such that if you lose one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► drives you can read arrived what must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► have been on that drive from the exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► the existing set of drives it's there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► now all of a sudden you have a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► where you you're spreading data across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► multiple drives you don't completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► duplicate the drives like you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► to have double the number drives you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► to have before and if you lose one disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► you can rebuild what the contents of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► that disk were as you notice none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► these things address in any way the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► integrity issue like they just assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► the disks when you write the data to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► this when you read it back later that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► will be the did they they do have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► parity thing there but I'll get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► in a second so I have a link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► notes to Jeff bond Wix blog Jeff bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► wick is the was the leader of the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► that developed ZFS at Sun what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► thing he was a vice president son and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► senior Software Architect as he led the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► team that developed ZFS for Solaris so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► think what the title of his blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► this but his thing he talks about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► why ZFS has this thing in as part of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► product where you can where you can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► data on more than one disk isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► the the domain of the of logical volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► and you're like isn't that a layer above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► the filesystem the fastest and just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► concerned with what it does and it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► of goes through like why they develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► this and why they're not just using rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► so he describes two flaws with one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► the popular raid schemes known as raid 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► multiple disks then one disk it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► parity disk and if you lose one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► disks you can rebuild its contents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► so the key flaw with raid the points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► the first one is something called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► raid 5 right hole and the basic idea is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► that whenever you update the data enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► what's called a raid stripe which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► the data it's spread across all discs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► you also have to update that parry disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► and that makes sense the whole point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► its you know this is derived from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► other pieces hero 2 disks you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► update them both at the same time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► the problem is there's no way to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► more than one disk atomically if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► update the first disk update the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► is a powerful well when you power comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► back on you're halfway done and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► atomically means it's either all done or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► and the second thing he talks about is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► partial stripe right which is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► you're updating some data but since raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► cuts everything into equal sized slices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► maybe you're not updating a full one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► those slices well at the end of this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► can update the parity bit that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► that's derived from all those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► pieces so you have to read all the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► data even though if you updated just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► little piece of it and that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► performance hit because if you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► updating one little piece why do I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► to read all these all its neighbors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► basically to recompute the the parity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► bit so I can write the parity thing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► so this performance problem and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► possible data graph problem now raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► vendors solve these things by with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► hardware solutions so they put NVRAM in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► their storage things but I said I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► if you pull the plug nvram is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► non-volatile Ram when you pull the plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► on it's still there and it would sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► journal to the NVRAM and say that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► wrong term but it would keep track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► what it was doing so that when you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► the power back on it would know uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► something and the data that I was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► to write to these three or four disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► I've still got it here so let me finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► that right and that works because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► had some place where you could store the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► stuff that wasn't a disk but also didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► disappear when you pulled the plug now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► as you can imagine I the one of the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► early in my career actually dealt with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► raid a little bit and we dealt with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► storage vendors that sold you a raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► solution with this that NVRAM type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► thing and the one problem I can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► ever having with that raid box that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► dealt with I don't remember the vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► but might have been NetApp I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► was it the NVRAM went bad and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► this thing is supposed to save us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► all these problems and stop working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► believe me that makes your storage go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► crazy like what's going on it says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► data is corrupted the disk checks out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► and I did that the nvram was bad our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► section of the end of yarra that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► solution was the yank out the card and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► put in a new car with a new Ram but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► that point a bunch of data had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► corrupted all right so that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► great solution so what the ZFS guys did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► was try to address each one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► problems they tried to come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► file system that had a way of atomically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► updating things so either all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► updates happen or none of them happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► and they're not the first to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► NetApp speaking of them or run the run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► of the first vendors to popularize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► type of thing where the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► being in the middle of doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► and then getting interrupted and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► knowing where the heck you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► solution the best solution is not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► okay we'll always know we're where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► we'll just keep track of it in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► thing that even if you pull the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► out we'll always be okay like the nvram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► or something like that so we'll always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► know where we were we'll never will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► never lose track uh and but that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► work because you know look what if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► nvram is bad or what you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► you're not protecting yourself you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► just you just moving the problem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► another place because then for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► when you're writing to the NVRAM now do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► you need a system there to make sure all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► the updates to NVRAM are atomic and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► just you know you're just chasing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► tail at that point so the system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► NetApp and several other vendors used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and also ZFS use is don't update data in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► place that means if you have a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► where some data is and it's changing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► something different don't overwrite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► existing thing with the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► because if you die in the middle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► what you got is half the old thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► half in the new thing and that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► right even if you know what you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► doing then you gotta like hold geez do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► have either the old one somewhere in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► entirety or the new one somewhere it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► an entire in its entirety so the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► somewhere it's an entirety you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► don't have in the new one well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► that's an NVRAM but you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► you're just moving the problem or app so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► the probably the solution is don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► update data in place when you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► change to some data do it by writing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► new data in a totally different place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► then the only thing you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► atomically is say when you're all done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► writing everything to this totally new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► place that had nothing in it that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► totally clean flip one little thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► says stop looking at the old place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► start looking at the new place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► that's much easier to manage that tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► little flip because you know if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► you're pointing to the old location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► everything is fine if you're putting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► new location everything is fine and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► only way you could be pointing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► between is to say like I halfway updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► the location of where things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► pointing so that the second solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► checksums everywhere is that it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► know when it says okay we're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► this thing and I'll say it looks at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► and says well this this checksum doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and the checksum is the old checksum and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► the data is half the old date and half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► the new data so where where do I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► whereas I have no idea what to do all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► know is that this point of this data is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► bad because the checksum doesn't match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► it but it doesn't know why the checksum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► solutions ZFS uses for that is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► redundantly store all of its metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► this is actually option it's not all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► it but it can do something called ditto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► blocks where it says metadata is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► important that thing we use to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► track of where everything is that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► to put this in multiple places on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► disk physically separated from each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► other far away just to maximize our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► chances of having a good copy of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► belt-and-suspenders approach don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► update data in place important data put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► in multiple places widely separated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► maybe on separate disks may be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► separate portions of the same disk ah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► that ideally there's the the purpose of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► design is there should be nothing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► can do to a properly operating ZFS disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► in terms of you know yanking the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► or interrupting something the middle or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► whatever the ever results in a disk that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► is not in a consistent state it may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► be in the state you want it it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► like well this right succeeded in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► consistent as far as the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► concerned the file system will never go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► somewhere and say I can't find keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► track of where all these blocks are for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► this file there's supposed to be 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► blocks and I only know where ten are or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► I can't tell whether the new version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► the old version this file should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► shown fastest inconsistency may not seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► that interesting from an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► level because a perfectly consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► file system can still be filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► garbage data but as far as I'm concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► that is the job of the file system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► make sure the file system is consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► so one of the slogan t-shirts that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► ZFS guys had I should have found a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► to this to it and I think it said fsck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► space you fsck is the UNIX utility for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► sensor file system check for crawling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► over your whole disk and looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► everything and says this says should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► 10 files are there 10 pods it shows to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► be 20 blocks those file they're 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► blocks it says the the the size of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► thing should be this size if I add up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► all the blocks as equal that size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► all you know the date for this file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► looks like it was from the 1800s that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► but checking the file system means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► crawling all over it and trying to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► for inconsistencies and the idea but ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► is there is no fsck the the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► is always consistent on disk always uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► and there's there should be no possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► way that it can't be because you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► everything is either in the old state or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► in the new state and we can't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► update things atomically because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► don't up they did in place and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► we do also redundancy stuff and on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► everything so that if the hardware goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► bad that's we're going to take that onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► and say the file system seems consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► but some data is wrong and ZFS will will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► will actually take it upon itself to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► look this data is on three is in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► different locations on three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► disks but I'm one of the disks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► checksum is bad another to this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► checksum is correct so it will take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► good data off one of the good discs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► put it back onto the bad disk so it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► sort of heal itself you know due to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► hardware bit flip type of errors and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► will try to write to a new location so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► it doesn't write over the same possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► bad bits it's a file system that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► actually taking responsibility for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► data that it's storing and it's saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► I'm our job is to make sure I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► that my bookkeeping is never all messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► up and I have no idea what's going on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► basically none of those little red error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► message isn't Disk Utility no no F SDK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► to crawl of your whole disk sleep is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► okay it's always okay and if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► hardware failure I'm going to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► about it and if I can fix it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► have redundant copies of the data I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► do so so that's sort of what's exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► and nacho I didn't go into ZFS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► solution for a raid and going across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► multiple disks but yes they have a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► where you can put multiple but that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► behind-the-scenes thing and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► affect the way that ZFS works from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► user or the developer standpoint yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► that's it esoteric like debating you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► know it is easier to resize volumes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► raid versus some of the other solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► and NetApp net up has a similar type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► file system called waffle I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► what they call now with those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► original name whose a write anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► file layout or log structured file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► systems those are the ones but it's a we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► don't update in place we always put data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► in new locations and there are all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► of performance consequences of this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► basically that's the the pitch for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► ZFS and for a lot of modern file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► a btrfs I don't even know that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that's if that's how you pronounce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► but btrfs is a similar type of file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► like I said net app has its own file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► system sets I think it's still suing son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► and now Oracle over the patents involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► in that but way back in the corner is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► poor old HFS+ that has none of this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► updates all its data in place that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► decisions that made sense when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► on floppy disks and 10 megabyte hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► drives wouldn't make no sense now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► it's had many things add to it try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► allow to support the features of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► modern unix that you know hard links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► symlinks unicode wasn't grafted on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► the implementation of unicode has come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► under scrutiny from from linus Toral's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► in particular if you want to read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► how he hates hfs+ because of the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► does unicode normalization or what new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► unicode normalization is you can google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► that but it doesn't have any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► things about protecting your data or our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► corrupting itself all that stuff so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► world is move on but H of s plus is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► so for years and years I've been saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► look Apple you gotta do something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► the file system every other file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► that's out there is better in one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► more important regards in hfs+ don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► keep adding things to HFS+ it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► performance and features and and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► responsibility for the data that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► the disk I didn't really care what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► was they write their own file system if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► ZFS they've dot btrfs they anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► don't keep it around forever and ZFS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► the move does ZFS look like it was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► to be that but that kind of fell through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► so it's like alright well what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► your new plan and so far no new plan but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► in Lion they introduced something called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► core storage which is apples crack at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► logical volume management and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► that because they had to do it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► support the new whole disk encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► thing and I speculated in the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► review that perhaps core storage could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► be laying the foundation for a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► system from Apple that would be they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► would use some of that work and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► would go some way towards addressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► some of the concerns with with hfs+ but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► that's all just speculation and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► know if that's going to happen and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► still have not checked I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► mountain lion continues hfs+ that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► literally have not checked so I can not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► violate my NDA and saying I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► if it does but I will be very surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► if it doesn't because that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► something I would have heard about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► blogs many times over now all this wraps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► all the way around believe it or not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► Microsoft didn't see that one coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► didn't know I would I'm I'm just shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► that you would go through this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► reason this is even in my show notes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► got interrupted by mountain lion and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► show I missed in all those stuff because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► Microsoft made an announcement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► something they called they called re FS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► capital R lowercase e capital FS high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► which stands for resilient file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► checkered history of file system stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► they were supposed to come out with win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► FS which really wasn't a file system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► was supposed to have a lot of features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► searching for data and metadata and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► sorts of stuff but like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► confusion about that really it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► file system it's just a layer on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► our existing file system but then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► got canceled that's part of the Longhorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► so many years of Microsoft has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► using NTFS which is the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► developer windows empty which is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► terrible file system it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► started out it's like much more advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► than Apple's file systems and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► mostly still more advanced than HFS+ has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► better performance characteristics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► there's some weird things about it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► certainly not of the vintage of ZFS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► systems but it's worlds better than fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► or fat32 but any right that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► Microsoft is is using these days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► Microsoft true to form is usually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► technical failing and addressing it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► for example they saw when Java was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► introduced and memory manage languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► were coming out that having a platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► that's entirely based on C and C++ is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► kind of it might be seen as not keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► up with the time so in response that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► they made the dotnet platform in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► common language runtime and it's C sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► language and you know they saw a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► technically and they addressed it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► big long multi-year plan that took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► long time to execute and arguably they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► did a bad job and certain aspects of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► reacting to trends and trying to keep up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► so here they are looking at the Frost's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► and saying NTFS it's not bad but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► world the file systems has moved on we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► need something better and so riaf asses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► their thing it's going to be introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► as part of Windows Server 8 according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► Microsoft and this is the way Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► does all its introductions it tends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► release the file system on the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► platform first because like those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► guys who are interested in file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► and they can kind of test it out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► before it comes down to the consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► like I don't remember when NTFS you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► might know this as that X Windows nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► but an NTFS started in NT and Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► was stuck with fat for the longest time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► and it was at Windows 2000 when NTFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► became the default yeah I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► right about that that sounds right to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► as far as being the default or you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► mean something that you could use I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► that I know for sure that it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► Windows 2000 and of course our XP and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► everything after that and that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► remember when that actually happened um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► an action started calling it like NTFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► version 5 back in the 2000 time period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► they say good job though because like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► you bought Windows like you ideally you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► wouldn't even know that like the next PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► you bought had NTFS on yeah right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► it wouldn't be an issue and like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► you reinstall windows I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► they had a cross converter that said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► looks like you have fat32 bit so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► want us to converge on it convert you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► I'm Apple tried to do that too by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► way I don't know you weren't perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► well maybe do you remember that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► hfs+ suki datta sure you could convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► your age of s plus your age of s disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► date reverse plus I mean I started using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► Mac's back in the mid-80s so it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► was never time when I didn't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► but yeah I remember when you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► convert it and it was a very say was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► very serious decision that you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► and since HFS like HFS+ was prone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► corrupt its metadata structures that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► conversion process could totally destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► yeah it was a sinner had to have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► good backups yeah I mean is like I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► just I'll just update my volume format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► in place and what could go wrong all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► Microsoft released version 3 of NTFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► sometimes incorrectly called NTFS 5 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► relation to the kernel version number as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► part of Windows 2000 this introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► disk quotas provided by quota advisor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► file system level encryption sparse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► files and reparse points sparse files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► allow for the efficient storage of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► sets etc yeah this is this is when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► was introduced into 2000 and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► weren't there also some may be already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► talked about this a little bit I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► trying to remember what the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► size limits were remember I used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► those and with I owed by I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► what the limits are Windows BIA there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► was some very low limits on on disk size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► that disk were quickly outpacing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► large a volume could be in fat and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► fat32 extended that but you were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► bumping up against the limits and DFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► even NTFS might have had its limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► bumped a few times that so something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► that all file systems tend to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► because when you design a file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► you're like okay and then this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► I'm going to store the maximum number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► whatever's and then whatever is can each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► point to a certain number of whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► knows whatever you know you eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► add it up and you say ok given that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► use 16 bits for this value or 32 bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► for this value on disk and I multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► that out what is the maximum maximum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► file size maximum volume size you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► decisions when you're storing stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► repercussions in the capacity of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► file system and as you can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► people who made those decisions in 1981 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► or whatever we're like oh let's just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► 16 bits for this because every every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► and maybe add 16-bit registers on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► CPU and it just worked out well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► even 32 bits like or insert 32 bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► around 486 is now let's just use 32 bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► it works nice and if we use something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► longer then you got a chop it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► it's just a pain in my butt and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► going to do that and by the way I've all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► put I found a neat little article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► this I'll put in the show notes we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► to mention how to get to the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► you go to five by five - TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► hypercritical slash 56 and you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► all of the links that we have we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► mentioned and all the things that John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► stated painted painstakingly adds to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► show they're all there you can subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► to those in our RSS reader by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► and you can follow along at home that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► spot.com the best helpdesk software in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► the business they're sponsoring show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► notes so that but there's a neat little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► article that did you ever were you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► a user of Windows 2000 or NT to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► user I had one on your desk that ya D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► work on whether they were happy about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► or not frequently had a a Windows VM of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► some kind to do browser testing and ie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► on Windows but I've never actually used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► one as my main machine but yes I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► interacted with Windows 2000 and T there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► is a great I don't know if you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► remember this feature it's not so much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► filesystem feature but it was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► that was supported that you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► could compress individual folders not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► compress them so that anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► directory so that you could use so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► said well just just compress this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► directory and none of these other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and it didn't seem to impact performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► too much yeah that's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► actually Apple added a trust plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► speaking up and something of the ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► encryption and compression of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► several different algorithms that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► that's another modern filesystem feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► that for example fat didn't have an H [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► best bliss didn't have it for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► time and they just recently added can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► you currently do that on Mac OS 10 can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► you compress just one folder I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► know if the mechanism form triggering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► the compression is accessible in a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► what you would basically do is compress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► all the files in it all the files of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► those folders contain you know on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► way down so there's not you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► basically just compressed the folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► contents and tons of stuff is compressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► on your disk right now if you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► lion or Snow Leopard which I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► where this feature is introduced hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► does support transparent encryption it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► right-click where you can like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► Windows but you could say compress it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► it's they tend to compress stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► applications or parts of the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► system and I think in if you look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► my I'm getting about say snow line Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► Leopard review you can find some links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► to some tools that will let you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► which files are compressed or not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► what could that information does you I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► not sure because it's like well can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► decompress it not easily there's no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► UI for that can I compress this file not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► really you know it's clearly a feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► that Apple's using to optimize its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► operating system but it's not user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► accessible so getting back to Rio fest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► these are all things we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► that NTFS you know had that fat didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► have but even NTFS Microsoft that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► was behind because it doesn't do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► those fancy things that I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► ZFS doing so I link to Microsoft's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► explanation of r EF s on MSDN page which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► is very good and I just highlighted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► few sections of it here the key goals of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► re FS so the first goal is they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► to look like NTFS to the software which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► is typical Microsoft fashion they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► backward compatible I so your software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► should have no idea that its operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► on re f s they're trying to maintain all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► the features that NTFS supports all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► API is the NTFS supports like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► filesystem API is this probably this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► read this a few times like what are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► even talking about but I realized if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► you're not in the UNIX mindset it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► of makes sense and in UNIX minds that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► you're like why would a new file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► change the API is that he used like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► whatever and read it's like that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► kind of used to in UNIX there's one set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► of file i/o operations and an API is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► that works with all file systems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► it's up to the file system driver to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► abstract that stuff out but apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► in the world of Windows and I'm sure in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► the world of Mac do this certain api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► that are specific to certain file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► explicit here and saying look the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► same API is that you used interact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► your NT bestest now those exact api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► will work with r EF s so that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► important to them they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► break backward compatibility they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► to look just like an NTFS disk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► that's boring so the first key goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► autocorrect data that should sound very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► familiar all right they want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► to tell that if the data is correct they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► write it and then six months later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► should look at it and say these the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► checksum doesn't match data is bad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► autocorrect means the type of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► we're talking about ZFS where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► alright this data is bad do we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► another copy this data somewhere and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► checksum does match on that one well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► then let's put that data back over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► now they're both good again one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► things I bowled out here is metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► must not be written in place also sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► familiar don't do you know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► call torn writes where you're halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► through over writing something you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► end up with garbage is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► one which is kind of a dig at ZFS don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► assume that disk checking algorithm is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► in fact this is not a dig a little digs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► come later don't assume that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► checking algorithms in particular can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► scale to the size of an entire file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► system I think that's saying you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► gonna be able to fsck a four terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► disk in a couple you like it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► how long it takes to check every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► button on a disk to make sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► structures are consistent it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► never take the filesystem offline this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► is a very interesting one that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► game ZFS says is they want to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► entire file system online when things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► are going wrong without having to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► anything off line and provide end-to-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► resiliency bla bla bla bla so it reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► almost like a feature list from ZFS like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► all that stuff the ZFS has talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4498">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► we're going to do our version of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► presumably we'll do it better or in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► more interesting manner or we will learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► the lessons of ZFS and then so they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► a separate section for key features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4510">TS</a>]
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01:15:34 ◼ ► to protect our metadata our metadata is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► our bookkeeping of where stuff is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► that we will checks on the hell out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4537">TS</a>]
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01:15:41 ◼ ► off we could be reading in the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4541">TS</a>]
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01:15:44 ◼ ► check something that all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4544">TS</a>]
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01:15:48 ◼ ► integrity they're going to say okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► that's optional the actual contents of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► your file we can check some notes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► you or we can not and why would you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► want to this is one of the complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► against EFS is that if you check some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► every single piece of data that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► you have to make a computation for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► little piece of data you put on disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► every time you read it from disk you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► have to redo that computation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► compare with a checksum which you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► have to read from the disk and make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► potentially CPU intensive using massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► amounts of Io ZFS struggled to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► everyone that CPUs are so fast now with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► multi-core it's not a problem and if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► you know it does take some cpu capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► but what would you rather use your CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► stuff for it I'm surprised they had such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► a hard time arguing this because to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4591">TS</a>]
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01:16:36 ◼ ► correctness thing like what wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► much faster we didn't do those check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► sums like yeah but then maybe your data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► isn't correct so what do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► correctness or speed and in programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► speed without correctness is pointless I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► can make you an infinitely fast program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► correctness has got to be number one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► the ZFS mindset is correctness above all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► check sums on everything that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► it has to be Microsoft is still hedging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► its bets saying we know that some of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► may not be ready to sacrifice your CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► cores for the sake of data integrity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► we will leave that up to you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► don't care if you're you know maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► just scratch data and you don't care if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► it's corrupt and if it's corrupt you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► just wipe the whole disk because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► just a cache in a CDN or something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► they're trying to be flexible here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► metadata integrity always data integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► transactional model for robust disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► transactional disk updates where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► don't overwrite existing data right in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► new place and either it's all written or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► it's not written storage pooling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► virtualization Microsoft has another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► thing called storage spaces that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► introduced a little bit before re FS was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► virtualizing storage I'm multiple discs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4662">TS</a>]
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01:17:47 ◼ ► disc scrubbing for protecting protecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► against Leyton disc errors the scrubbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► is the type of thing we're like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► once in a while why don't you check all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► those check sums that I told you to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► on the data at because if you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► you don't have occasion to ever read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► that data you won't know it's bad so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► maybe just check it see if it's good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► somewhere so this looks pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► compared to the feature set of ZFS it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4686">TS</a>]
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01:18:15 ◼ ► stack up against the FS Java and ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► incidentally from Sun interestingly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► Microsoft gets the benefit of waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► and seeing how that shakes out so ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► and Java like do their thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4705">TS</a>]
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01:18:34 ◼ ► making some big advances there but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► can we do it better and so they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► some slightly different decisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► their implementation decisions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► different of course making compatible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► understanding is they're actually using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► the top layer API literally as is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► all of its timings and they made a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► multi-threaded programming stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► terms of the timings of you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► code paths through the storage stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► they want that to be exactly the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► in the TFS and only they'll chop off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4741">TS</a>]
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01:19:53 ◼ ► advantages in doing so I think there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4793">TS</a>]
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01:21:46 ◼ ► is the place to go alright with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► was making sure wasn't muted okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► someone in the chat room posted a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► to entry from bond Wix blog called our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► ramp and layering violation hmm Andrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► Morton someone in the Linux community a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► bigwig limo security made a complaint to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► when ZFS was first being paraded around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► seen that it was a violet a layering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► violation that you're supposed to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► the file system which just manages you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► know a single volume and then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► logical volume management which manages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► multiple volumes that and putting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► together into one big ball of mud was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► bad you're supposed to have separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► layers then you can change the layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► independently to get the best logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► while you manager with the best file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► system and not surprisingly Jeff bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► works response was that we think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► combining them has advantages and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► go he goes into that in the post I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► backed out why had the shownotes link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► now and I actually did a blog post about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► syndrome which was very short little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► thing that basically said but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► so these ZFS guys come along and address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► tons of long-standing problems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► storage all at once in this in this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► know very technically interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► solution and all you can yell them at is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► the fact that they're violating some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► sort of layering and I took it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► microcosm of the Linux the Linux world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► at the time this was one was it four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► years ago two thousand seven ish that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► in Linux like everyone has their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► turf and like the file system guys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► that and device driver guys do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► they all want to defend their turf and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► you'll have to have separate layers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► it makes it so that no one is ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► thinking about the whole experience it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► very different from the Apple thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► where they're like I don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► disgusting it is the whole experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► has got to be awesome from top to bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► and if you have to do some hideous ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► stuff in the middle I don't care the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► Apple would much rather have that than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► product that's mediocre but how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► layers are so clean and we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► division of responsibilities and we the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► layers are changeable independently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► they say I don't care how good is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► finished product so I was that got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► goat a little bit four years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► still bothers me a little bit but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► know you can see the point about ZFS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5038">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► Microsoft has addressed that with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► separate storage spaces so they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► their decision so I put I put those both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► in the show notes a few more things on r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► EF s a few more details on this they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► into the description how they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► check something they should have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► copied and pasted from the ZFS pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► because so similar to the way they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► but some more interesting things I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► people might be wondering what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► that makes a file system you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► interesting or good when it comes time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► right out all these little pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► information what you usually want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► is to keep related information close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► each other this is especially true in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► the days of discs when you add a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► disk arm that was moving back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► every time you move that arm it's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► hit in terms of speed so you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► just only move to one location and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► all your stuff so reassess you know does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► what most good file system do is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► tries to find a way to for very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► files or for things related to a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► put everything all in one place so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► just make it a a one read and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5098">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► all the information about the file all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► the metadata all the check sums and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► suck them all in in one nice little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► stream this is another example place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► where our HFS+ does a terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► job ah they had the the catalog file I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► think I talked about this in our article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► but the catalog file is the place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► the HFS+ keeps track of everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► there's one of them and it's for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► entire disc so anytime you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► any information about any file you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► go to the catalog file and read it oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► and by the way if you want the data from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► that file you should go get it elsewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► I think they later on started doing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► stuff where they try to inline stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► into the catalog file but in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► that's a non modern file system design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► modern file systems do not want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► a central repository for information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► they always have to go to the central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► place and then go someplace else to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► so our EFS is a cognizant of that as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► is NTFS and the integrity streams thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► they're actually doing that on a per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► file basis as they imagine that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► similar to how they implemented the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► individual file the the programmer can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► just pass a different flag to their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► know file out calls and say oh this file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► is going to be you know going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► checksum that's how the data checks um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► so that seems like it's something it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► very least it's very easily accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► to the programmer and probably I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► will be exposed in some fashion through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► the UI considering how they expose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► the compression stuff with NTFS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► finally we'll circle back to the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► this kind of all came to the head with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► the Rio fest announcement and also with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► the announcement of XIV oze vo from tins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► compliment that is company started by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► Ghana his name room Don Brady tastes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► things I should have in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► but don't some annex Apple engineer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► spent 20 years at Apple working on H of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► and was apparently very disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► when Apple decided not to go with ZFS as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► the new file system for the Mac I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► guessing he was this point because honey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► there was he left Apple and started his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► own company to bring ZFS to the Mac so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► you don't get much more disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► than that he's got on on the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► website it's tends complement calm he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► got a picture in the first section below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► the giant banner it says out with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► old and it shows the picture of a 3.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► inch floppy disk with the words with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► letters H FS 1986 written on it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► know it's like halt we shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► bashing h FS those people did work he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► was probably one of the ones who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► that work so it's kind of okay for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► to say look H of s and H of us applause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► were cool I was there when we made them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► I was proud of them at the time but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► world has moved on and I really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► the Mac needs a better file system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► we almost ported ZFS to the Mac got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► kind of working sort of mostly for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► napple abandoned in that project so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► going to make a commercial product which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► apparently you can do given the license [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► that son certainly has that you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► for the Mac that will give you ZFS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► there's also the Mac ZFS project wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► which is an open source project that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► a Google Code page that's been ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► for a long time which is hey Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► doesn't seem like they're interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► this project they've dropped it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► supported anymore let's pick up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► source that's the magic of open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► and we'll continue this project so zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► is a commercial product supported by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► company it's got a pretty good pedigree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► behind it in terms of if anyone is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► to understand the intricacies of Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► 10 file system drivers structure it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► going to be the guy who worked at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► for 20 years working on that stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► so he's got a good shot of doing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► job and his team and then Mac CFS is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► typical open source thing is like anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► who wants to contribute you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► free product you get what you pay for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► competition with each other that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► people been asking hi aren't you excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► about that about the zebu thing ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► finally coming to Mac isn't this awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► I totally applaud the idea that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► if Apple seems to have its head up its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► butt about file systems and you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► file system guy leave the company start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► your own company and sell file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► for the Mac is open-source Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► that's great and the open source thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► want to hack a way out and get to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► that's great for them too although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► think they have slightly a deficit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► knowledge compared to Zeebo if only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► because I suspect there aren't many 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► year Apple filesystem veterans working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► on Mac ZFS but in both cases I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► sad because a filesystem is especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► if also smell like ZFS which sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► reaches through the IO stack much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► than most other file systems because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► you know that violation of the layering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► that people always complain about really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► I would like to come from the OS vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and I get a really kind of nervous about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► file systems that aren't made by the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► vendor not through any fault of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► people making the file systems but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► because Apple feels no responsibility to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► make sure they don't break the work of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► these people so if Apple changes their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► operating system and the XIV OCFS things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► break Apple isn't shed it's here that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► have you complain and say hey you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► upgraded to two mountain lion and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► can't read my disk or something's messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► up or they're going to say all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► let's see what your problem is like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► you're using some sort of third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► product well that's not our problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► that's a third parties problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► they're kind of right like the OS vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► is only supposed to support the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► formats that it supports and if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► some sort of problem then you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► to the third party but you know how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► Apple is about keeping third parties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► it's totally conceivable that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► could release an update to an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► system without giving third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► either enough time or sometimes any time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► to see whether their things work or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► like there okay well Zeebo was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► perfectly fine in the last developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► seat of this thing but when the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► version came out we didn't get a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► to look at it and always released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► customers and it broke all their stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► so it's really dangerous to be relying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► on a third party for your file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► needs not through any fault to the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► party but just because Apple it's so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► at you know helping third party Long's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► never these apples position is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► we don't think you should use these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► third-party products we have storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► products we have our own file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► that's what we support you should use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► that I don't think Apple is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► out of the way to be malicious and break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► stuff but the sure as heck not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► care if they break it and file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► like ZFS I really want to be integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► as I want Disk Utility to work I want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► to be integrated with every part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► operating system I want all the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► applications to be run and checked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► ZFS II it really just has to it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► that's talking about outsourcing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► core competency you the platform vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► soup-to-nuts backups time machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► everything head to tail so that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► you're completely sure that it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► before I would say you should trust this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► people are asking chatroom if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► tried it I have not no why not try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► why have I not tried it because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► nervous I'm scared it's scary now here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► where here's where Zeebo is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► find an audience if you have a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► bunch of disks that you want to first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► all I don't think you can even boot from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► it yet so it's obviously out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► realm of possibility or interests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► most people because most people have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► disk and maybe a time machine disk it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► out of the question camp boot but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► have a whole bunch of disks that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► want to like store a bunch of stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► like your home Nass or you have a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► Mac Mini attached to and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► make a whole nest the type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► that's where I would start looking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► this because then you're like well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► going to build my own Drobo type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► thing right ah and that's something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► want to do because I can do it much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► cheaply in a drawer because I have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► old Mac Mini hanging around and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► just attach a bunch of these drives off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► with firewire what can I do with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► you know three or four drives attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► with firewire to a Mac Mini well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► use Apple and HFS+ you can use their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► hardware RAID is out of the question you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► could buy a Drobo box but those cost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► lot of money on top of the disk you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► to do is like I've just got the disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► and I've got a Mac Mini what can I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► z-bo is the answer there you can SiC it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► at those disks combine them in together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► one big storage pool and you'll have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► the benefits of ZFS with the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► checksumming and redundancy and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► atomic updates and all that good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and if you just use it to store like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► like a home video server or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► and you back it up using some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► mechanism you know are you backing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► using another one of those things then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► you're good to go it's just a shame that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► you know I want that check something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► all that stuff and all the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► benefits and stuff to be from my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► disk for the one that has my operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► application like the one that has my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► but at this point I'm you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► think for me personally anyway zero is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► not the solution to that maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► will buy Zeebo and fold them back in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► incorporate it but I resent seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► late to you I don't know well you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► this is this gets to the root of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► thing so I did all this complaining we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► talked about all file systems we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► about how they didn't get ZFS what ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► and we talked about how Microsoft has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► decided to up its file system game with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► three FS what's what's apples move what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► are they doing that's that's the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► question and the answer seems so far has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► been nothing everything's fine more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► less well add feature state service plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► when we need to we need compression we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► need to add a logical volume manager so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► we can do whole disk encryption well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► but Ava's plus is fine more or less and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► I don't that's an answer I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► but so how long does that go on 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► 20 years 50 years am I going to die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► the default file system for Macs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► something Mac's are still around is HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► yep the the world has moved on so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► since you know from between the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► HFS+ was introduced in now everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► is moving on everyone else is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► something different even Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► doing something different goals got its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► certainly it's not using like fat disks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► or anything like that it's got GFS going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► hey I this is something that Apple needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► to address and so far they haven't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► this is the great mystery of of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► what why'd you know why don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► address the possum thing it clearly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► think there's something to be addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► because they did that whole ZFS fiasco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► right you don't do that just for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► health isn't like they thought that HFS+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► should be replaced with something better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► and they had this big debate or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► better thing should be and they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► pick ZFS then it fell through well don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► they still think exactly that the David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► HMS plays needs to be replaced like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► and you know if anything I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► people who are working on HFS+ at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► would be the most vocal about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► that geez we can't keep bolting crap to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► this thing like you if you worked on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► piece of software for a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► time you know you can improve it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► can refactor it but the fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► design decisions of HLS plus are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► appropriate for the current age having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► single-threaded accesses and things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► talked about line article we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► mention that single thread access only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► accessing the file system at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► doesn't that sound like something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► the monitor of 16 core CPUs no so sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► likely the ideal implementation of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► disk the made up of multiple spindles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► a volume it up of multiple disks it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► it's our kick so Apple needs to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► something and I don't at this point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5758">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► at previous points I don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► what that thing is but please just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► something but make a new file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► yourself adopt btrfs adopts EFS by Zeebo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► possibility of them buying out Zeebo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► maybe the things that it it all depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► on what it is that made them not go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► ZFS it's not like it's not like Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► forthcoming in that regard they took it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► over the webpage and I said yeah we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► not doing that then there was no big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► long heart-to-heart about why they why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► they'd made the decision so everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► speculating but it was because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► licensing with with Oracle or Sun or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► it was because of legal concerns with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► NetApp I think all that stuff still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► applies because a licensing issue hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► changed as far as I know and the legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► thing is still pending so if that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► scared them away that will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► scare them away they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► going to buy 0z but if those are tends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► complement rather but if that if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► stuff is not applicable if it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► resolved or wasn't the reason in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► first place or whatever and those Evo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► guys do a bang-up job and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► that would be an ideal acquisition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► because otherwise what are you gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► Apple we don't want to buy Zeebo we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► don't want to do ZFS well what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► want to do like he got to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► eventually that's why I think it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► to come to a head I keep saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► like I said with it with the Copeland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► something about your language eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► and so they keep just tacking stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► to Objective C well you do something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► your file system eventually they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► tacking stuff on to HFS+ it it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► to come to a head and and unlike the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► Copeland 2010 stuff it is much easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► change your default file system or add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► support for new file system and slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► transition everybody is than it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► change your language or API it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► easier to me not that I'm saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► easy it's going to be hard you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► do it carefully but they've done it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► least twice before three times they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► from a manifest stage of us they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► from HR estivate to s+ and arguably they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► went from hfs+ to 8 billion variants of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► with transparent encryption and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► course storage so if Apple has a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► they're not saying but I they definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► need to do something I think it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► of got on file systems unless you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► there's something I missed like one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► know I think that's it it's a lot yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► it's it's one of the eternal mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► of Apple you know people talk about they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► made the phone they made a tablet Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► are on Intel like what's you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► the mystery I guess you got the TV still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► it's things so gone but they kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► know people still say that's the mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► but they did Apple TV wanted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► Apple TV - and we're suppose you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► what they can do for TV they did two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► things already so this may be one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► remaining mysteries of Apple what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► can do about the file system Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► kind of boring mystery that no one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► really interested in but I am and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► answer is we don't know I mean but isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► isn't the whole goal inevitably to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► the concept the entire concept of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► file system off the plate for users so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► that we don't you know I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► it's always silly to go back to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► car analogy but but it's sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► works most people you you probably know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► exactly what kind of engine you have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► your car and whether it's you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► fuel-injected you know all the probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► things you know how many horsepower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► everything a car aficionados people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► are into that mechanics people who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► cars and get into it they know all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► those details and that's fine but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► are a whole lot of people out there who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► don't know what kind of engine or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► their car even has an engine they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► they turn the key and they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► operate the vehicle and sometimes if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► makes noise or doesn't start they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► somebody else comes out and fixes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► takes it away and they pay money and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► comes back and it works again the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► that they know that there is an engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► in there they know that because they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► read that they've been told that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5997">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► they turn the key the car makes noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► Sept of it but you could say wouldn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► wouldn't it be a beneficial thing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► some point if maybe this is fifty or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► thousand years down the road who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► but that at some point we'll have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► vehicle it won't make any sound it won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► have any emissions you'll just push a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► button you'll say where you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► and you'll go there the thing will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► you there you won't know how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► and it won't be important to know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► works sure some people will know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► works but the general people they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► have no idea most people don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► electricity gets into there into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► socket and they plug their computer into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► they just know that there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► power in there somehow it's just reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► you're stretching your analogy too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► well I liked where you were going with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► the car we'll take a step back and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► say that shouldn't apple's goal be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► give to take the word filesystem out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► our vocabulary and just know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► are these things that you make and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► they're there in this place and wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► you are you can get to them and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► them I mean that's the goal right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► what Apple wants to do so take away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► filesystem did you know thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► iCloud as the place where everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► lives I don't even know how the data got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► on this device or this computer or where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► I created it it's irrelevant I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► access it here on this device I happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► to be in front of right now I'll get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► the stuff that I want right here I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► a change it's everywhere and I is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► a filesystem oh I don't know my iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► device just died but I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► worry about the contents of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► on that iOS device because they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► that place the magical place where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► of my data lives and all all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► devices and computers and things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► simply just a portal I don't know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► works I don't care how it works I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► know if there's ZFS if there's raid I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► don't know who XIV o is or what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► music he plays it's irrelevant all I all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► I know is that I my data is in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► magical place and I can get to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► wherever I am with any device I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6118">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► that's the Apple vision right so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► you're bringing up a good point that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► should have had in my notes which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► when I already talked about file systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► somebody usually someone kind of nerdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► either wants to talk about or thinks I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► the idea that you of the what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► call it the conceptual structure created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► by the file system that it's at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► level you know like it just a UNIX thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► starts at slash and there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► folders inside those other stuff other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► files and other folders it's a big tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► of stuff and to locate anything you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► hierarchy and you go get it and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► talk about getting rid of the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► system or something like that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► people are mostly talking about is stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► making people locate things by hunting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► through folders that are nested inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► stop making people be aware of file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► paths don't you know kind of like how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► voted it of your photos you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► supposed to know they're managed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► application it's simplifying that vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► because as we all know for many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► experience in dealing with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► quote-unquote the file system and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► we say that what we mean is people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► know where the heck things are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► don't they don't visualize the hierarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► of folders that's rep that's created by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► you know the illusion of the hierarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► Foles is create about the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► they'd have it's not in their head so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► they don't know where things are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► are many reasons for that but I go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► my whole big spatial find a rant again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► but the bottom line is they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► understand it they don't understand open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► save dialog boxes the only place they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► know how to find is the desktop because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► it's underneath everything anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► beyond that they have no idea and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► just it's it's not a good fit for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► and as I think I said at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► maybe was one of these shows maybe in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► review at this point in the experiment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► think we can confidently say that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► not a problem of Education there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► generations of people who are grown up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► with computers their entire lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► still have no idea where that anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► is obviously that way of organizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► files while it works great for for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► nerds computer geeks does not work great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► for most people and so it's a bad model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► so Apple true to form is going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► we're gonna solve this problem by let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► take away that assumption let's let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► not we don't know what we're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► instead but we don't want to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► hunt around for stuff so iTunes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► manages all your stuff you use not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► supposed to care whether they are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► disk iPhoto it manages all your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► and I suppose to have folders full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► stuff that you that you're manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► renamed in two years and do all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► stuff and we have to keep track of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► we're just gonna hide that from right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► that's not what I'm talking about when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► talk about file systems I know the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► is overloaded what I'm talking about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► this goes back to your car engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► gee which is a good one is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► people don't know what's inside the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► under the hood of their car they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► care they just want the thing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► that's all true but the Apple situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► would be as if Apple the car maker was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► still selling carbureted engines if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► know ignoring regulations and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► those you know emissions and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► that they're like oh you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► know what's in the cover just by under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► the hood just buy what you want an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► engine and it was like an engine from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► 1972 the big giant air filter and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► tremendously low horsepower per liter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► and it sucked gas like crazy and it spit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► out let you know even though perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► especially since modern car has been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► less and less about what's under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► hood engine technology is advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► tremendously the number of the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► power we get out of a liter displacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► has been increasing tremendously fuel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► efficiency is going up we have cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► deactivation we have increases advances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► in the materials used to make engines it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► advances in turbo charging or moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► turbo lag and superchargers and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► hybrid technology engine technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► advances like crazy and there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► single car manufacturer that can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► away with saying no engines good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► oh we don't need any of that stuff we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► reducing things we don't need overhead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► cams we need direct injection cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► deactivation that seems pointless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► our engine is fine don't worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► it's under the hood the car will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► it'll be fine engine is fine you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► to worry about and you know in car the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► car world you'd say well certainly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► going to come to head where someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► you know again ignoring government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► regulation like I say I get 7 miles a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► gallon out of this car I'm not gonna buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► any more of these Apple cars they get 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► miles again I'm gonna buy a Honda you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► got 37 miles to the gallon I'm gonna buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► a hybrid and get 50 or you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► you can do eventually consumers start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► notice the difference so far Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► been betting that with these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► tweaks that it's making to its ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► you know catalytic converter not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► like a rotor carburetor sporting engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► under the hood that people won't notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► especially since they don't compare it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► to usually because max only run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► nature best boss you can't install Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► os10 on some other process and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► compare the performance right so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► you know I'm booting Mac os10 from a ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► incidentally and maybe the case ZFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► isn't faster depending on how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► implementation deals with a check sums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► and everything but any any other file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► system you can't do a comparison and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► since computers and harbours keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► getting faster your Mac keeps getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► faster too and it's kind of it's harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► for consumers to notice you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► this will be faster if if Apple's file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► system coalesced iOS into larger blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► and deferred them so it could do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► all at once so I think this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► faster if more than one thread could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► access the fauces no one sees your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► thoughts that are not entering someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► head but for people who know about car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► engines or file systems we can all see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► yeah did this horrible smoke belching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► thing that Apple's got under the hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► is so far behind the times and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► think boy imagine how much better it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► performance entry and you know naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► aspirated getting a hundred and ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► horsepower per liter out of it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► titanium connecting rods and just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► know we know what's possible because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► see everyone else doing it so there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► two totally independent things of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► navigating the hierarchy and the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► that whole structure and look there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► got to be something to store the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► locally under the hood whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► thing is make it better faster stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► protect your data all that stuff and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► again for the like I don't care if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► here I don't care if my devices bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► always get it from the cloud again uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► maybe that will be their solution that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► eventually actually I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► can be their solution either because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► say oh well if I drop my thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► toilet all my data is in the cloud and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► don't worry about on the cloud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► Apple's not putting their filesystem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► a cloud they're using some storage from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► you know EMC or whatever behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► scenes and that's all enterprise-e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► storage and cost tons of money and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► protects your data and blah blah blah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► don't have to care right well you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► have the care because if they used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► some crappy file system on your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► corrupted and it doesn't notice and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► uploads the crappy corrupted stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► the cloud the next time you get a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► and download it you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► corrupted stuff right back that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► cloud dutifully preserved for you and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► corrupted no one's ever going to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► because the cloud says this is the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► concerned I'm checksumming and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► exactly the data I got but the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► corrupted didn't had know it to tell or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► your Mac corrupted it had no way to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► absolutely must be solved eventually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► all we're arguing about is when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► eventually comes but we're done arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► you feel calm confident but you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► we'll see you next week I predict you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► will have some a lot of follow-up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► blah I don't know how interested people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► really are in filesystems because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► people who are real files and nerds I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► didn't say anything they already didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► know and the people who aren't file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► system Nerds may have been bored of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► their mind but we'll see who is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► filesystem nerd so many people so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► let me ask you this would you rather it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► would you rather to cut the concept yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► of us personally no cuz I'm one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► people who understands the filesystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► hierarchy I like it when applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► take over for me I like the iPhoto - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► lets me not know where stuff is I let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► iTunes organize my music folders but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► anyone who's a developer for a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► like realizes how far we are from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► very least from developers getting away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► from that because yeah everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► development is based off file paths that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► you are aware of things have to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► certain locations to work correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► there things are certain well-known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► locations where stuff is stored or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► have to set paths you know for me no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► wouldn't like to go it but for consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► applications like iTunes and iPhoto I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► like that but there is a lot a long way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► to go to get good solution because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► know we all we've talked about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► things before where it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► iPhoto manages your photos or your iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► App Store there are their documents but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► how do you share them and is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► tension between the old way and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► advantages in the old way in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► having a single file worked on by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► multiple applications but once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► on that path then how do you find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► file and what if you have too many files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► and apples working on that stuff I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► more confidence in Apple's ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► experiment and figure out what to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► terms of hiding the file hierarchy let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► call it so I don't get confused from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► user I don't think they've got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► right yet and I don't ever want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► hidden from me but I'm a nerd but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► think Apple will figure that out but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► under the covers what's under the hood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► of your car they need to make that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► modern engine and that doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► what they do with that list they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► modern engine there for something it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► got to be stored somewhere you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► store something somewhere they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► make a files and that has no hierarchy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► don't care but make it reliable make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► fast make it checksum you know make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► high-performance all those modern things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► eyes are doing Apple needs to do somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► alright then the end the email will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► coming in if you want to send the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► you go to five by five dot TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► contact and you pick hypercritical from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► that you can fill that out and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► send it to John and I and or me and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► as he likes to say we will be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► read it perhaps comment it perhaps write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► it on the error respond to it John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► you're very good about that and you care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► I don't I don't see see you on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► replies though so you don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► whoever blind to I don't but I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► you respond to a lot of them and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► that in some cases you will be prompted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► by an email to devote a segment of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► show to respond to responding in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► only promise that make is that I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► read them all and I do you've said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► before in other shows that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► feel that just because somebody sends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► you don't feel obligated to respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► it even though even to read it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► certainly not to respond to it no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► always feel obligated to read it I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► every email again unless it's spam or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► something right but respond no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► unsolicited PR email which I get a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► of I don't feel an obligation to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► that but people who are emailing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► about the show or personally or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► I read all the email do not respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► all hmmm people who do that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► whole other show we should do is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► back to work think that I would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► get one of those people on the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► say what makes you do that people you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► know people like that who respond every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► email they get I I try to respond to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► of them but I'm very I'm very bad at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► some beginning to take your approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► which is to just not respond at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► I feel bad because there are people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► are asking questions and then they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► you know they need help or they're they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► want to you know they you read their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► email they tell a story I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► what they may I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► true for you or not but I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► some tips that I've read from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► people who get probably way more email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► than than I do I've only got maybe 3,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► emails to respond to in my inbox right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► now I'm not exaggerating but I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► people who get way way way way more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► that and the advice that I've often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► heard is you know how they have that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► I know you're a big fan of the TL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► semi-colon dr concept which is in one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► have a descriptive subject if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► you're putting in a subject but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► you're not don't worry about and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► the first line of email be one sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► long that expresses everything else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► I get a lot of emails from people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► and this is why I feel bad about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► there are people who write in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► example about this show they're they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► know how much they loved the show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► know they this is their favorite episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6836">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► this is something that they really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► here's the thing they disagree and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► five or six paragraphs in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► reason that they wrote is here's a neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► link showing what you said was true or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► false or back up information so put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► as the first sentence um you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► it's a link say here's an article about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► this relating to episode this that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► and if you have more to say say it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► but it's so hard to read you know a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► obviously somebody spent a lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► writing and they care and they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► want us to read it but like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► emails that we get are I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► so I feel I do feel some obligation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► if somebody spent time writing an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► I want to I want to spend time reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► it and if I'm there then yeah I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► like I should reply to it John you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► think you don't think yeah I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► say you don't owe it to anybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► isn't there some kind of conscience in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6895">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► obligation to respond I I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► feel that because they did a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► point like here's but the way I view it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► is it's an it is not logical right if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► respond to this person if people ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► cost-benefit analysis if someone asks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► simple question I respond to it and give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► them an answer it was like it takes two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► seconds to do that you know so I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► do it right ah but some emails don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► have a clear question in them or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► more of a statement with an implied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► question or just really long and asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► you know what I mean and so I think if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► were to respond to this person first if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► I think I can actually help them and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► were to respond to them only that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► gets the benefit or as if I discuss it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► on the snow on the show everybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► listens gets the benefit of ah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► providing what I think is the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► right so I'm thinking like it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► like to expend a lot of effort in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► email to a single person when I can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:59 ◼ ► more bang for my buck by saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6959">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► same thing on the show is so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► here so that factors into it too right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► but even beyond that after a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► possible to respond to everybody it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► just not I mean this the feedback from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► this show is not that bad but like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► arse address gets tons of email all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► computer's broken can you help me fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► like that's that's paraphrasing but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► long drawn-out impassioned emails about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► me helping a fix thing appear and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► all the time I have no idea how to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► them I don't even know where to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► but the thing is like I'm not their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► personal tech support I'm not gonna you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► know if they ask me a simple question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► like how do you know how to do the blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► blah and I do I respond I'm not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► begrudging them some knowledge that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► have and I'm withholding it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► like I don't know I would have to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► same things you have to do I'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► googling around figured like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► going to do your research for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► figure out why your computers broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► take it to the Genius Bar that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► those guys get paid for you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► emails like that I do not feel any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► obligation to do anything for them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7016">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► all cost-benefit if I can give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► quick answer and say yes respond even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► it's just like someone saying hey I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:04 ◼ ► the show and I respond thanks glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► you're enjoying it let's I'll do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► that's no problem is that takes two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► seconds but these you know it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► volume and depth of some of these emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► can't be addressed and if people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► do have good points I feel like I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► address them in a format that my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► will that will benefit more than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► the person who's asking the question so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► a blog post or talked about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► or something like that so that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► where I come down so obvious I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► some kind of conscience because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► want to leave the people hanging up they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► have some simple questions say oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► not gonna respond to that guy even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► though it's a one-word answer and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► could make them happy and I'll do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► chained and how complicated the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► is changes your chance of getting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► answer and I have just an intuitive feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► for that that works for me and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► lose sleep over judgment calls that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7076">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► make there that was quite a quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► sidebar I know our back to work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► well that's it then for this episode so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► uh thanks to MailChimp calm thanks apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► fire com follow John @s I are a c-usa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7094">TS</a>]
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01:58:53 ◼ ► donate and and that's it John we'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► back next week though on Friday you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7136">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► very adamant about this Friday thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7138">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► want to keep it you know let go of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► there's a whole song about it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipk8tp7Q/7141">TS</a>]