The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 165 october2013 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► your host Jason still and in this [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► episode we're going to be talking about [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► video games i have assigned the member [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► is my esteemed panel panelists two games [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► to play [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► it's a tough job that's podcasting [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► business playing games were assigned to [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► you and we're going to talk about the [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► two games and who knows where it will [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► lead I don't play video games i don't [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► know what i'm talking about here but [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► these guys do and first up that laughter [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► you heard there that Steve let's see [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► let's have been known to play a video [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► game or two in his time hi Steve [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► I do play from time to time yes Jason [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► and good evening to you [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► good evening Dan Morgan is also here [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► known to play video games in his sleep [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► even he loves them so much that's a lie [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► i know it's probably true [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► yeah hi hi hi jason and i forget i [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► forgot my niceties I'm too busy playing [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► a videogame to talk to you [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► that's a lie is your new hello very nice [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► video gamers not well known for their [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► social skills section I will murder us [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► Tony sindelar is also here he has [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► excellent social skills and there's a [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► very polite fellow Tony hi jason i play [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► too many video games but i'm here to [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► talk about them and sell the truth but [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► we can always make this an intervention [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► it maybe I and we're all here gathered [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► to intervene in the life of our the man [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► whose life has been crippled by his [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► video game addiction John siracusa hi [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► actually I'm in the dam or enroll in [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that I just finished the last game last [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► night who did not attend tomorrow like [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► we doing it is doing and fishing right [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► now I will confess i finished one of [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► them today I think I saw one of them [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► today too man i don't like thursday guys [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► right with hell you been at [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I was on the west coast life is [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► different there whatever you know [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► well these we all finished it unlike [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► some other pot episodes of the in [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► cumberland which participants didn't [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► routers finish the entire it's a review [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► of the first eighty percent just wrong [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► I mean that's actually how a lot of game [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► reviewers doing the play-by-play 10 [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► hours [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► here's what my thoughts are mhm yes some [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► kind of chat room that we're not [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► streaming to said he played the first 20 [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► minutes and that's what that's enough [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► for him tons yeah I don't know this game [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► to get that game took some radical turn [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► to our game and you can finish it come [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► up i don't want people that I only like [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► the first date [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► the star wars and those are the best [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► minutes i'm not looking at a Star [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► Destroyer what's the point yeah all [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► downhill after that really alright so to [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► talk about two games brothers a tale of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► two sons which these are both games that [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► came out this year brothers a tale of [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► two sons and gone home for these two [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► games and I played what I played gone [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► home a little while ago and then I [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► finished brothers today and we should [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► talk about the both i don't i'm not sure [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► if there's a link between the mother [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► than these are both sort of like [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► critical darlings I think in some ways [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► i've heard people talk about them on [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► release and praise them highly and when [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I said that I had finished playing gone [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► home everybody immediately said you [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► should play brothers and I do what I'm [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► told on the internet so I i played [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► brothers too [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► well they're both short games which is [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► interesting like this is a yes kind of a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► new genre that I kind of dig which is [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► like games that you can play in one or [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► two sittings games are always do like [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► GTA or something you know grant thought [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► or something let's say huge and [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► sprawling an epic that's like you know [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► when they measure it like this game will [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► take you 30 hours to complete and kind [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► of kind of dig ya on the other hand i [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► would argue that these are almost both [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► not games in the there's not a whole lot [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► of actual gameplay at him [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► what are they then what are no neasden [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► Steve I don't know there's a line [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► somewhere the college's define games and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► say what is really boring i just like to [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► thank them more and for going back and [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► explain what GTA stood for things like [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► hugs find they are i don't know who are [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► excellent he just said that an epic game [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► is 30 hours long so is already losing [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► credit fast [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► I'm i meant double digits but there's a [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► lot of hate already here i'll agree with [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► you Justice with journey which I one of [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the motivating factors that I had for [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► playing of course was that john loves [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► journey but one of the things he said [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► about it he especially loves by the way [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► their their seminal album brace on radio [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► anyway the john loves journey but he [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► said it only takes like three hours to [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► play it's like watching a movie at two [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► hours your life movie and that's how to [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► classify the genre like now people [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► either of these into [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► you know just like two-and-a-half hours [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► play journey but the point the point is [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that for somebody like me who had who [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► has bought lots of video games over the [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► years and has never finish to any of [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► I loved the idea that I could play [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► through this whole story and and and get [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► to the end and I wanted to keep playing [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and find all the little gems and get all [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► the little trophies i could do that but [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► i didn't have to and those these two [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► games felt that way to obviously they're [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► small and self-contained and I and I [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► didn't get that feeling of frustration [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► like you know I'm never gonna play [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► through this whole story because i'm not [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► going to invest 40 hours in the game [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► because i just i'm just not it's not [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► ever gonna happen in my life I did [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► appreciate the fact that neither of [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► these games had collectibles which is [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► something that is increasingly driving [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► me nuts with games got way too much of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► an OCD touch to avoid actually trying to [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► get everything although I never succeed [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and that just makes me feel sad it's [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► just a way for them to pad out the game [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► so they can have those huge our accounts [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► and right and and they only did that [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► because they've they felt like it did [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► they ever get slammed by consumers if [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► they didn't like they felt pressure to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► gain people's like oh we're gonna put [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► out a game and we have a story to tell [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► that story takes about two hours to play [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► but that's not long enough for it's not [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► viable as a product for us LOL game like [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► that so we have to add stuff like stupid [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► collectibles and barriers and then [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► finally in the past few years like you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► know what if we don't add that people [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► actually like the game even better and [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► so that's what this new market of you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► know two-hour-long games it's not just [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► the saleable part of like you know at [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► all it's the like we you know the true a [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► title cost 60 bucks right or something [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► like that you know 50 60 bucks i mean [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► people will feel like hey why I can get [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► a movie you know I can watch a movie for [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like ten dollars that takes up two hours [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► i'm going to play a game that costs [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► sixty dollars better take me longer than [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► two hours right like you get this value [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► equivalency I don't want to tell you how [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► much I want to pay to play journey but [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► like at a certain point differential own [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► energy was really on the stoop [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► especially with the average age of [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► gamers now like up in the thirties or [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► whatever it is a certain point it [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► becomes more valuable to you to get [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► something that you can complete in the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► amount of time that you would spend on a [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► movie like that that you would pay more [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► than you would if you know i still play [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► games like the other were you know me [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and my son and putting like 85 hours [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► into a zelda game but I know what I'm [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► getting there and then [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► I'm arguably getting more of my money [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and my sixty dollars worth out of that [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► then i get $15 into this but i will [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► gladly pay fifteen dollars for a great [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► to our game any day [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► yeah alright let's get started let's [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► talk about gone home which is from the [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► Fulbright company came out is this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► summer i want to say and it runs it's on [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► it's available on steam it runs on [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► windows mac and linux i played on my [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► macbook air on a foggy cold of summer [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► day at san francisco and this is a this [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► is a first-person game that it really [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► sets you up to be that it's going to be [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► kind of a horror story because it starts [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► off as a dark and stormy night and you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► are you are a young woman named caitlin [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► who returns home although her family has [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► since she's been in Europe studying [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► abroad she's a they moved to a new house [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► and it's a big house and it's a dark and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► stormy night and the implication is that [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► there might be something scary going on [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► in there because you're playing a video [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► game and of course that would be what [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► you'd expect but regardless of the of [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the story what what you find out when [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► Kaitlyn arrives at the front door is [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that there is nobody in the house and [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► the rest of gamma gone home is [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► essentially Caitlin investigating this [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► house that she's never been in which is [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► good because we've never been in it [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► either and trying to figure out what's [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► going on and what everybody's been doing [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and why there's nobody there [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► does that sound about right more or less [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► it's charmingly set in the 1995 so [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► there's there's lots of light and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► written notes and and and answering [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► machine messages and things like that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► people don't have you know you're not [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► looking at people's text messages or [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► emails but right if you have a [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► smartphone you would have just called [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► like family right [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► this game is this game doesn't work if [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► you have a smartphone so how many people [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► knew anything about this game going in [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► jason said right you you said you [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► thought it would be like a haunted house [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► but did you really did you know anything [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► about it I knew that it took place in a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► yeah I avoided most stuff I knew [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► somebody said that it was affecting and [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► that it was not like most games but I [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► knew no details other than that it was [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► said in this house that was [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that was it yeah I really expected in [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► some ways something that as we will get [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► into was not in this key but the spoiler [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► horn should go off here because you're [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► right it is time let's let's yes let's [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► fire off 44 gone home work firing off a [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► spoiler horn and please come back if if [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you want to listen to to us talk about [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► brothers but for this next interval here [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► it comes I hear it coming [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► no I kept waiting you know you're [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► creeping around corners and I turned on [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you can turn on the lights as you go and [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► normally in my life you know i turn the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► light on my turn the light off and I [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► kind of moved from the house but it's [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► not a game [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► don't we all and your light off is what [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► like me I mean that's one of the most [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► successful things about it for my mind [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► like I remember coming home to me like a [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► house late at night when I was like a [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► teenager and you know my parents are out [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► of town or something and it's like yeah [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► when turn on every light in this house [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► yeah it's gonna be the best thing in the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► game the best joke in the whole game is [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► where you come upon the cork board with [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the note to the other daughter and the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► dad is saying starting the lights on in [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the house that decision you are of [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► course that sister [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► yeah i'm spending the last 20 minutes of [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► turning on all the lights in the house [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► every single light switch in that house [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► lies on the mat room all the red herring [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► stuff like the X file tapes in the you [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► know living room and all this that I'd [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► like it starts leading you down these [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► paths of thinking it's going to be oh [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► it's gonna be this kind of story and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► yeah there are so many applicable tropes [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► that they didn't do anything Jason [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► mentioned haunted house but the other [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► ones that i had my mind from playing [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► other video games with a sampler like [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► premises you know unreliable narrator [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► this suicide factor psycho killer any [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► number of the family members a psycho [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► killer body snatchers aliens like there [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► are so many possible during travel ago [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► that you played games exactly like this [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► that when those directions and the great [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► thing about this game is one that [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► doesn't go in those directions but to [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that it has the playfulness to make [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► faints and almost all those directions [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► at various points so until it settles in [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► until you're totally convinced you could [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► be like alright but they're trying to [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► take me out you know and they do a [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► couple of fake outs like I mean I guess [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► yeah there's a creepy neighbor the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► psycho house I got to admit that none of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► that none of the sort of creepy stuff [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► really work for me unfortunately because [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► i would have loved if it had but i don't [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► know maybe i just played far too many of [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► those kinds of games but it never really [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► felt like it was committing in that [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► direction for me [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► well I didn't it's not supposed to be [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► the nothing nothing jumps out and scares [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► you in this game like there's no zombie [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► behind a door there's no you know scary [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► moment a cat does not race across the [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► floor like it that it doesn't do that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► the only thing that was the closest [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► thing to scare factor is when you're [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► when you're in the first secret passage [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► in the light flickers out for a second [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► and that's that's a good moment but [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► other than that I it i never felt like [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► it was going to take a turn anywhere [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► other than where it did he is [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► re completely because I my experience [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► was very different i played the first [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► half of this on a plane and let me tell [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► you like if you want the full like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► force-feedback experience when you're [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► like creeping out like a hallway and [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► turning the lights on and you go into a [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► dark room and then your entire plane [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► like it was like a turbulence tip you [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► like okay I gotta stop playing this game [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► thank me out [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► no I did I did play this game in total [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► darkness the new is gonna be one of [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► those types of games are turned off all [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► the lights and everything but I'm like [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I'm I'm affected by creepiness in mood [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► and everything but mostly what got me in [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► this game with things where they would [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► in a certain point that I had realized [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► it's not going to go in all these [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► different direction right it's gonna be [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► straightforward but then they do things [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► like the like the red hair dye in the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► bathtub you have got that was facing [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► that direction or even things like you [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► know the Attic with the red lights in [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► the Attic even at that point i'd know [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► it's not gonna be that kind of story but [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► I'm still a little weird and the most [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► for the flickering lights from the TV [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► room when you first yeah and you know [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► and the thing the thing that got me is [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► when I came home the most was at a [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► certain point you open up one of the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► secret passages and you get know you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► think you're down to the basement or [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► something yeah basement is really dark [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► and there were candles and began any [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► game with candles like I you know I [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► stopped I went back I got a candle i [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► went to get a match to light the candle [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► but there are no matches in the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► matchbook and I'm like what am i doing [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► and you can't use anything on anything [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► else anyway so it was a bit of a fluid [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► is not making progress in the game [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► basically because I didn't want to go [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► down into the dark basement because yeah [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► one department is like being a gamer [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it's like look they have candles this [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► guy i don't know whether to be impressed [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► with the game or just sad for you well [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► know because like the part of the gamers [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► things I'm I kept looking for you know [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► use X on Y like text adventure type type [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► stuff like that it was kind of a little [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► bit ly none of it was important to the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► gameplay and I figured these candles are [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► here like it was the curse of this game [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► if you're a gamer so many things were [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► interactive that didn't need to be that [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► I think that is a pretty fair critique [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► their there's all its really again it is [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► it a game it's more of this kind of [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► mildly interactive experience there's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► always things that look like maybe it [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► should be a puzzle but they're not right [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► and even other kind of the secrets that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you find the secret passageways and the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► panels and things like that you can [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► actually find those and open those [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► before the game tells you to which a lot [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► of other games you wouldn't write like [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► the parent wouldn't be movable until you [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► found the note that says it i mean [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► theoretically i looked at it afterward [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► you could beat this game in three [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► minutes if you click on the right [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► stuff you have no idea what's going on [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► but but you could kind of jump around [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► without being directed where stuff is [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► I did a little bit of it out of order to [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► actually realize toward the end that [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► there was one portion that I had to go [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► there was a little corner of the [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► downstairs that I hadn't covered and so [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► there was something that didn't make any [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► sense and i realized i needed to go and [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► I have to go back downstairs and over [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► the laundry room and then there was a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► whole little threat over there that [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► opened up a few things and then I could [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► finally go and resolve the rest of the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► game because i just happened to do it [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► out of order and that was fine [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► sure well Steve must have done like the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► completionist about the collectibles and [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► stuff like I'm total i've added the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► gamers or two I did like hundred percent [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► completion exhaustive search of every [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► rock and cranny and i feel like i did [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the game exactly the order that the [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► Gamemakers intended you to do because [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► it's the water that a gamer would do [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► like go in you know it maybe I took a [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► left instead of right first or whatever [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► but I swept this game from beginning to [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► end and i don't think i mislike a single [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► thing and it makes for a very coherent [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► story like a reasonably good short story [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► but you can I if if this I didn't [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► realize the panels would be openable I'm [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► gonna get you could totally break the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► story which is racing up in the wrong [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► place at the lot of material and I think [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► you know you can even mix you can [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► experience stuff and kind of strange [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► order i mean the answering machine right [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► in the front hall has the voicemail from [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► Lonni on it and you don't know who you [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► are is yeah that's I assumed I was [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► intended i don't know i mean i think [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► it's i think it's intended to work [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► either way [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► yeah that was one of the first things i [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► hit was this the answering machine yeah [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► they know what's going to write to that [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► I think there is an argument about [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► whether or not is there in order and [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► there are differences that I i canna [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► you're not endorsed on Rails I don't [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► know there's a cool there's a clear [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► order and additionally there are [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► organized by date speak but you don't [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► experience them necessarily are they [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► specifically tied two locations or they [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► do they cross the Marzano they are they [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► are tied to locations i can say this [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► definitely because i had an inventory [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► items as well but you don't have to pick [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► up all them i had to restart after about [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► an hour and a half of play time because [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► it ate my save game for some reason and [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► actually initially i usually I [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► appreciate the fact that you have more [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► options open to you can try things in a [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► different way and the first time i [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► played actually went up the stairs first [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► because their lights on up there and I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► thought well if I was walking in and I [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► was looking for people who are home [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► we're gonna go i'm gonna go where the [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► lights are clearly on [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► so I headed up the stairs and I kind of [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► did things a little out of order and it [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► was it was still pretty clear what the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► narrative was that was forming there but [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► when i restarted it I I realize you know [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► it's very clear that they want this to [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► be done in a certain order for it to [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► make the right kind of sense you know [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► for you really appreciate the story [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► properly and i actually found it kind of [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► annoying that i was allowed to take the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► the alternate route because I wanted I [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► this game is so clearly about telling a [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► story and I wanted to be told the story [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the way it was supposed to be told as [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► opposed to getting it piecemeal it's the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► locked doors and lack of information [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► that's trying to put your along a linear [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► path and so I don't for making the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► panel's movable unlock doors really like [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► look regal or a little a little [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► exploration here but we don't want [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► people to totally break the game and if [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you don't know about the panel's the [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► odds of you and going lighter [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► environments like every single panel i [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► mean i was picking those I was being [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► completionist but I was doing it mostly [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► with items that i thought would be [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► interactive and I was getting frustrated [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► because like every single soda can and [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► potato chip bags interactive and [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► single-handed box i looked in every side [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► of like a certain point you realize this [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► isn't resident evil I don't need to turn [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► every item over to make sure there's not [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► a lot I can be on the bottom that opens [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► up there reveals a key you know it but [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► once I broke myself those habits i still [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► found myself picking on Adams that new [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► probably wouldn't be worth it you know [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► right it's just it's it's a hard habit [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► to break but just throwing cans all of [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that kind of it's kind of like it's kind [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► of like a journey where if you play the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► game over and over again which I have [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► you see the parts where you can break [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► out of it but my first run-through of [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► journey I felt like I was exactly like [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► me and the game designers were exactly [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you know in sync and everything was [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► happening the right time and gone home [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► did that a few times because i think i [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► followed the linear path and also the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► journals which are either location or [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► item-based triggered sometimes like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► they'd be fighting because I'd like a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► tape that I was playing and then like [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the journal would play with Jessica and [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► they would fight with each other and [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that wasn't good but like others music [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► yeah one or two times though the the [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► journal start playing at just the right [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► moment and made a very cinematic [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► experience like I think was one of the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► last journal things was playing as I was [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► racing up to the attic for like that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► yeah the final anything like that right [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that sometimes it really worked anybody [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► really worked it was great and it's [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► difficult to pull it off it's like you [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► know it's like my favorite a recall [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► Fincher movie the game where when [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► everything comes together and i'll [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► answer on the X in the air bag with the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► revelation happening [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► like it's really difficult to do that in [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► real life and so that's what this game [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► makers are trying to do is trying to [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► give you a game where they arranged it [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► all for you to have some sort of [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► experience revelation but also make you [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► feel like you are free acting individual [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► the entire time that I think that's the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► interesting thing about you have freedom [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► you know you you unlock one of the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► journals and you start hearing your [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► sister talk to you and it's you stand [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► there and listen the whole time do you [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► keep continue searching the room do you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► walk down the spooky whore corridor well [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► well she continues to talk to you about [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► something and you know it's not like [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► you're on Rails this is what you're [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► going to experience right [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► I couldn't stand the thought that I was [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► gonna miss it so i had to stand there [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► listed all things and I'm gonna go back [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► I mean I finish the story i went back [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► and saw because there's kind of three [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► locked areas you can get into one that [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► you have to advance the story and I [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► figured out how to get the other two [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► which you don't have to and could I [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► guess proceed push presumably you could [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► open the safe in the basement or the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► locked file cabinet in the office [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► without you can complete the story [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► without doing that but you miss out on [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► kind of bits of it but you know I [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► checked I didn't find all the journals [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and i finished the story so you know [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► I've got the first and I've got the end [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► and there's a lot of stuff in the middle [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that you have to find progress but [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► there's clearly other stuff that you [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► don't have to find a progress [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► alright a brief cutscene inserted in [TS]

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00:21:20 ◼   ► the thing i always think of when like [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► every character in the story has a thing [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► about right like what and obviously the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► central thing is the sisters deal and [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► you're trying to share what is this is [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► Lucille but every member of this family [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► has a problem and I don't know like I [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► guess that's is it realistic i don't [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► know i felt like if they had [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► concentrated more on under the sisters [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► story and distracted me less with items [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► throughout the house and let me learn [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► what every other person's problem is [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► never any other things I didn't learn [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► what my problem is as the heat up that I [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► apparently I'm happy off in your blanket [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► around right now you are you're kind of [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► a boring person actually can be compared [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► to everyone else of the mothers is gone [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► with the forestry guy and the fathers [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► who is like you know i'm potentially [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► ripping off Stephen King a decade [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► earlier with this 1963 book and he's got [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► that I was thinking picturing the file [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► like cigarette smoking man sending a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► science-fiction stories in and trying to [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► get them you know and doing stereo [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► reviews and going crazy and the crazy [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► uncle like everyone's got some backstory [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► that itself would make a game [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► yeah but your backstories youryour [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► apparently the perfect daughter you know [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► I imagine Caitlyn has all sorts of [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► stories to tell about Europe but [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► unfortunately she's got to deal with her [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► messed-up family first [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► or maybe her story is about running away [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► from all that right yeah maybe so i [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► don't know I kept finding was with [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► trophies and first-place ribbons and I [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► kept thinking man Lester she's the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► perfect daughter [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► yeah I must really made it rough on the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► younger sister and [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► someone has a 3 bring binder fetish i [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► guess that's what I'm saying everyone's [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► people are single-handedly keeping the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► Portland three-ring binder and portable [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► tape player industries in business [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► because there's binders everywhere [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► everywhere and they have at least 70 [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► players mi only one who kept trying to [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► turn that tape over and play the other [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► side yeah i know i was driving me nuts [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► I'd like to turn things around spent i [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► pry spent more time in the game flipping [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the cassette holder so i could see [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► inside inside yeah then I did anywhere [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► else in the game but i really enjoyed [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► that I enjoyed that I mean that they're [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► the one of the things that works about [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► this game for me is it is yes in the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► story or the you're the daughter who's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► trying to figure out what's going on but [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► in that on that second level your this [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► boy are you are walking through these [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► people's lives trying to or you're the [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► detective if you want to look at it that [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► way you're walking through these [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► people's lives trying to figure out from [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► all of these found items what the heck [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► is going on and you discovered like John [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► said you discovered that it's not just [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► this main story about about the the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► younger daughter [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► it's also the story about the mother and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► the father and and what's going on with [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► them in his writing career and-and and [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► their their marriage is approval from as [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► a his father [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► yeah oh yes yeah exactly i think it does [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► a very nice job at kind of making that [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► feeling unsettling experience right like [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► it first you kind of feels like you're [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► going through and you're like you're [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► trying to solve this mystery of what [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► happened to people and as you kind of [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► find out for example that you know the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► the answer to where your mother and [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► father is you know somewhat mundane you [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► know they're not dead or you know or or [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► lost [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► no but they're in couples counseling [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► different couples counseling but you now [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► feel unsettled right i mean you kind of [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► think that you know you're going through [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► other their you know their laundry and [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► whatnot because you're worried about [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► them and you try to find out their [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► location and you end up kind of finding [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► more than perhaps you were entitled to [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► find somebody that like that part works [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► with you being part of the family but as [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► that as the journals later say it's like [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► all you always know about me right Kate [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► little maybe the Caitlyn did but I you [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► know we didn't as the game player so [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► there's an assume familiarity like the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► actual Caitlyn would know more than we [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► do which is bad in the beginning but [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► towards the end if you start to identify [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► with her then you're a little bit [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► freaked out that this is court your [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► family that had [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► these problems and maybe you didn't know [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► about them before so that I do like the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► fact that midway through your thinking [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► while this whole family has gone [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► completely to hell yeah and if you [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► figure God may be that the little sister [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► swinging in the attic and deb with the [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► wife mom is out with the Ranger Rick you [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► know I'm the forest some dad is not as a [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► bunch of people you know what that is [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► yet the bottom of a bottle somewhere it [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► may be walking around in the basement [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► and then and then in the end it turns [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► out everything's kind of turned out okay [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► with order which is cool [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► it's just that it's just the horror of [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► everyday life Steve yeah more or less [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► I was dreading going up into that attic [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► I mean when I first walked down that [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► hallway and there were the red lights [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that I was like nope gonna get every [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► other room before I there [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► oh I think Steve's point about the the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► hair dye one that one yeah because i [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► just got to that point where I felt like [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► all right I kind of know what's going on [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► me you fucking looking and there's the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► red stain all over the top and you're [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► like oh my god what happened to you and [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► then you see the box of hair dye and [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► it's like uh okay and I you know I [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► wasn't sure also in terms of the idea [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that there are the dates have their own [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► little story going on with the different [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► parts of the family [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► um you know in some ways that was a [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► little distracting I wondered if they [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► were supposed to be a thing where they [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► kind of fit together in some way I mean [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► there's its kind of its they leave it it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► seems like somewhat unclear what the the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► father's big issues from his traumatic [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► childhood experience but you know does [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that play into the complications and in [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► his relationship with your sister then [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► in terms of her his unwillingness to you [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► know basically tolerate her behavior so [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► i wasn't sure if there was an attempt to [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► kind of attach these two things together [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► in terms of how the stories 50 million [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► but the parents are not approving of the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► sister-like show they're there and so I [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► don't know how it's not a happy ending [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► because the parents haven't come to [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► terms that she has run away and I guess [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► it's happy for her kind of but you as a [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► sister like well now my family has [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► exploded live in common right we should [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► we should say I think we did mention [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that so what we did what we discover and [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► the main through line of this story is [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► is discovering that the little sister [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► Sam has met a friend who's a kind of a [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► rebel you know rebellious girl named [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Lanna Loni Loni Loni who I we get to [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► know as as the story progresses and they [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► get so they get to know each other and [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► they fall in love and so the the so the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► parents are not understanding of the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► fact that their daughter is a lesbian [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► says she's going through a phase [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► Lonnie meanwhile you know it's not a [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► perfect character and and you know it [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► and then Lonnie's turns out is signing [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► up to join the army and is going to [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► leave which really upset Sam and this is [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the story that's being told so you know [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► you that that's the I really the core [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► there are all these other other stories [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and that's that [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► that story unfolds not only as a as [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► Caitlyn goes through through sam's room [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► but it also unfolds Caitlyn goes through [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► a series of secret passageway into like [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► like the servants quarters i guess it [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► turns out of this house which sam and [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► Lonnie kind of like took over as their [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► Clubhouse and as you discover those [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► secret entries you also find the secrets [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► of their of their relationship as as a [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► teenager's falling in love and making [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► mixtapes of bad punk bands and scenes [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► and publishing the readings right he's [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► good idea awesome scene follicles should [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► have been more computers in this because [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► like we had computers in the nineties [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► i'm pretty sure it's non-refundable they [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► weren't no one night is usually what you [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► pick with this yet just about an hour [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► before caitlyn got to the house [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► a robber came and stole over computers [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► yeah well it's apparently they took all [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► the VCRs you have the nintendo listen I [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► should attach them to go with yeah just [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► as soon as licensing restrictions [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► because they had all that all the SNES [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► cartridges in there but with the crazy [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► labels on them and everything [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► yeah so I want this let's talk about the [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► house just because i wanted to say might [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► one of my number one things when i went [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► through this game was a boy I would love [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► a house like this I've always dreamed [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► about having a house with like secret [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► stuff in it and this this has got all [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the secret passageways their secret [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► passageways everywhere in this house [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► it's like houses secret I i know it into [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the square footage for the tax assessor [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► like well it seems to me it seems your [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► house looks a lot bigger on the outside [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► it's like the opposite of the trusting [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► ducting there's just lots of big air [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► ducts it's not there's not nothing back [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it's the cigarette one and eat artist [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► lane but it's it's the you know they say [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► that it's the it's the servants quarters [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► or whatever but it's just there's that [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► moment where i think i found it i think [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► i was in the closet in one of the bed in [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► one of the bedrooms right and there's [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► like things like the button up on the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► ceiling of the closet and I'm like huh [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► what's that [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► boom rubber room one like whoo secret [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► passageway right and that was very [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► exciting because I i love that i want [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► you know I want that bookshelf that [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► slides away and reveals a whole room [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► behind it which sadly I'd I don't have [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► so I i was thinking this house is really [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► creepy and yet i'm really i'm really [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► loving all the secret passageway stuff [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► that was just on its own i love that and [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► oh we should mention too there's the [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► whole day inherit this house from the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► what is an old uncle uncle Oscar and he [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► has a tragic story of his own to that we [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► learn it mostly in the in the basement [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► in that secret area all the way down in [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► the basement where there's the safe okay [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► let me let me ask then [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► is this his tragic story alone or is it [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► off his and the father's yeah I think [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► raising location IE that's what I was [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► trying to figure because you know that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► we've got the the darkroom with the [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► light doesn't work that's got the toy [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► horse in it and right around the corner [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► there and the servants quarters we've [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► got what is the father's name terry yeah [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► yeah we've got his markings on the wall [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► of how tall he is growing each [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► thanksgiving and then it stops suddenly [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► in 1963 which coincidentally is the year [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► the Kennedy assassination which suggests [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► that maybe that's why Terry's got that [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► in his mind so vividly and so I'm [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► thinking is this a mala station story or [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► what I think I think you got it yep [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► where is the note that we're reading is [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► his is his transgression that the family [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► is so ticked off at him about something [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► else but yeah that's that's the feeling [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► I got there I was just curious whether [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► everybody else thinks everyone that [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► seems to be the heavy implication i saw [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► other people suggest that maybe you know [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► he came out to his family and night in [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► nineteen sixties with that doesn't then [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► connect is nicely into you know [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► everything running with I like the fact [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► that they didn't have to nail a nail it [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► down because you can that any of these [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► interpretations are perfectly fine like [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► that's not the point of the story like [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► we understand you know they're there are [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► problems here and we do we need to know [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the exact details you don't really don't [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► really know in fact I didn't open the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► lock things I mean I couldn't the couple [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► of them because i had trouble finding I [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► open sans locker I didn't open the safe [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► in the basement I think now and the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► combination for tonight [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► and spend a lot of I was like all right [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► I can spend time working on this or I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► can I like keep going through the story [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► so yeah used to me [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► yep so in the safe and the in the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► basement dan there's in addition to he [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► has a nice collection of narcotics there [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► specifically morning and then a letter [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► to i believe his sister in which dated [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► years ago in which you basically you [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► know which is quite classic apologize [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► area yes yes right his transgression [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► without getting into the specifics of of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► yeah well I mean any I think you know [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► there's a point to there are [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► interpretations and there are things [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► that are or are not important [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► necessarily to comprehending the entire [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► game [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► yeah but yeah it is interesting it is a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► layered story which is that if you're [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► gonna throw that aspect it I kind of [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► wish it actually had some impact on the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► story and I don't really see that there [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► was no I mean it doesn't that you can [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► imagine like how it makes the follow the [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► person that he is and how it out to his [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► feet his tortured life and where it came [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► from and how he sort of takes it out of [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► his daughter are not being understanding [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► about that you know like but it works in [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► a family dynamic in that you don't [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► always know the details of all the deep [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► dark things in your very own family like [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that's the one place you're very likely [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► not to know the details right but why is [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► uncle bobby gone now or like what was [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► the deal with these two and those [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► secrets died with people and so I think [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► it's reasonable for you in 1995 to be a [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► look through this stuff and kind of get [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► a good idea of what was going on but not [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► to have anyone available certainly not [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► immediately in the time this game to [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► tell you what's the real deal like we [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► just wanted to explain to us like tell [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► me exactly what happened on the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► omniscient narrator know if it's your [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► family maybe you don't know maybe you'll [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► never know [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► yep and we get I think there's there's a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► lot of little hints like that right i [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► mean one of the other things you find in [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the basement is the father's father the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► father has a painting of his father the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► faces torn outfits like the letter the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► letter from his father which is you can [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► do better [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► you can do better it out you know he's [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► got his father of you know signs it [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► formally you know your father below PhD [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► and it's you know I mean we we don't [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► know what happens with a relationship [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► maybe he really likes the second book [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► problem yeah that's equally much better [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► but I mean that there was a really [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► really clear line between his his [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► father's disapproval of him and all the [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► stuff that he was going through and I [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► didn't see that there was any kind of in [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► vacation that that the potential mala [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► station was weighing heavy on him and so [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► I just thought that was kind of odd [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► well I think it was the 1963 connection [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► with like that was you know the whole [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► thing where you stick your arm and a [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► bucket of ice water and then memorize [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► numbers better like something traumatic [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► happens to you then like the thing that [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the other thing that happened that you [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► list forever linked in your mind is [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► always obsessed with writing about JFK [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► for the rest of his life and you know [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► and they keep it vague but I mean [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► there's also i think the idea he then [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► has to move back to this house where [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that may have happened and now he's [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► falling apart right his yes that was a [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► bad choice problem there's the alcohol [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► hidden throughout and there's all this [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► stuff where you know [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► yeah I mean maybe maybe that is kind of [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the source of all this problems right [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► maybe if they you know if that hadn't [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► happened to them and they were in this [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► house his relationship with his daughter [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► may be different i can inherit the house [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► then just sell it they don't realize [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► that the movement yeah i know it's that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► kind of ruined it a little bit for many [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► people but they have no their money [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► right in it and that's like that was one [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► of the first letters i found yeah it was [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► a Carol Carol Carol friends like all you [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► know I always wanted to mention and you [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► wanted a house in the woods and you got [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► both right [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► yeah I you know you could have imagined [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► that they felt they had to go there a [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► secret secret passageways got your [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► passage with Jason would be there in a [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► second email with my hair got murdered [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► I don't know Ian ghostly was yours have [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► his way there's a lot of capacities hear [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► ya talkin about the letters I I [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► appreciate the fact that you know we've [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► been god [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► well you as the the elder daughter has [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► been gone for a year so you've got [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► you've got a year's worth of time to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► make up you gotta find out what happened [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► in the interim the fact that in order to [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► kind of fill in all the gaps we had [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► letters that were written like by the [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► phone phone messages that were there for [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► a year ago that somehow never got picked [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► up and thrown away I and and then it [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► seems like neatly as you're exploring [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► the house you're finding things from [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► later and later in the year that that [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► really kind of took me out of it i wish [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► there been another way they could have [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► done that [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► it's tough not to do that you're not [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► going to have it you're not gonna have [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► an actual years whether written history [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► in an actual house but the only thing I [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► think the way you're supposed to kind of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► conceptualizing I don't think they did a [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► great job in it which is where that's [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► coming from all of the the journals that [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► she's kind of reading to you I think the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► idea is that your kind of experiencing [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► them even though you you don't actually [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► get them all until you go up in the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► Apple you read the polity and all right [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► that's that that's the flash-forward [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► thing that doesn't bother me it's just [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that it's just the letters the letter [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► from the publisher from 1978 that just [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► happens to be sitting out in a box [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► yeah and I guess maybe someone that's [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► kind of a hand waving because like you [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► know they've moved in right and that [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► adds to the like right now is the house [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► of disaster area because it was looted [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► or because many years people unpack [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► already you know when you may say [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► momentous letters like a lot of letters [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► you find that are meaningful and you can [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► imagine all you want to save this the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► first letters that we got a letter where [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► you going to do your job offer and [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► things like that right you could imagine [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► those could be they haven't been in the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► house for a year they moved recently to [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the house right now they've been there [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► for almost an entire year based on that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► first packing slip from the movers I [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► just make any sense of it because it's [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► all still in boxes have you moved a lot [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► it takes a while to get all the boxes [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► out it doesn't take a year though to get [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► revenge on the people it's the foyer for [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► God's sake that's the first place where [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► you move the boxes out of so if guests [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► come to check out your new digs they [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► don't trip over boxy we're going to your [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► basement were inspecting it i'm just [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► saying i moved after living in the same [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► place for five years and there were [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► boxes that were not unpacked and let me [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► tell you nothing useful in those all I'm [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► saying is this game lives or dies based [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► on based on whether i can relate to the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► character and whether i can get into [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► exploring the house and feeling like i'm [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► kailyn and when there's so much stuff [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► around that very clearly isn't realistic [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► it it took me out of it but you have to [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► be ready to be to give into the mood and [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► atmosphere like you have to go anything [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► I'm knowing that knowing it's going to [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► be that type of game and being in the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► right mindset or on a plane in the dark [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► and just and i'm going to i'm going to [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► give myself to this experience and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► especially if you're played a lot of [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► other games you have to look I can [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► handle this type of game and I can [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► accept it or it just bothers me I'll [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► never be able to accept it and I'm i'm a [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► total sucker for like slightly moody [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► lighting some good music and like all [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► right fine you got me I'm ready to go [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► and very little will take me out of it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► except for things that break that mood [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► and i think they held they held the mood [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► they were consistent throughout the game [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► they didn't there wasn't a spot where I [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► felt like I now you have to do a you [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► know a puzzle looks like pipe dream to [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► pretend you're hacking or you know [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► something crazy thing like that jumping [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► a little it was tell you is no no [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► platforming right it really means is you [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► know it was very consistent and so like [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► I said that the thing [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you can manipulate that you are [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► pointless they were there throughout the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► whole game and I just had to come to [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► accept them but the atmosphere i felt [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► like held the whole time and built to a [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► satisfying conclusion i thought the the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► ending of it walking up to the journal [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and realizing that you've been hearing [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► during the entire game all the things [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► that you read later work that work for [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► me I like I liked it [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► let's let's talk about the ultimately [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► how everybody felt about about playing [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► this game I I i liked it i enjoyed the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► you know couple hours I spent with it on [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► a Sunday morning I thought I you know it [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► was not one of those kind of super [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► frustrating puzzle kind of game [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► experiences it was much more like I was [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► walking through and discovering things [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► and in more or less the right order but [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► I i appreciated this method of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► storytelling and then it was a little [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► bit different and yet i was i was seeing [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► these kind of interlocked stories and [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► discovering in an interesting way and I [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► i did like the fact that it submitted my [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► expectations and that I was you know in [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► the dark and stormy night I was really [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► expecting something a little more [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► adventurous than I actually got but i [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► did i did enjoy it i'm wondering you [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► know what you guys think in terms of [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► your product on on on gone home [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► I was a little surprised by how short it [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► was um I mean I guess I got to the end I [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► was left wanting more which is not a bad [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► thing there's so many other games I play [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► where they seemed to drag on but I was a [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► little surprised by how short it was but [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► i liked it i would recommend it [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► I honestly found it kind of boring and I [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► hate to say that because i love indie [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► games and I really see what they were [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► trying to get get out here but the the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► atmosphere just never really worked for [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► me that the contrived stuff laying [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► around just took me out of that [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► atmosphere constantly and I thought that [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► the the whole love story plot line was [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► very sweet and very well done and that's [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► mostly down to really good writing for [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► the two girls like the the notes that [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► they've written back and forth really [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► ring true for me they felt like [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► teenagers in a way that fictional [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► characters are things you need [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► successfully kind of took me back to [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that period where everything seemed like [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► it was heartbreak you know and and so I [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► thought that all work very well and I [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► thought the [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► whoever the voice actresses that did Sam [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► was terrific [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► yes because she had a real nice sound [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► and she sounded very heartfelt and and [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► really fit the part very well but to me [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► I sit down for a game and I want to play [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► a game you know and this this was more [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► or less we can debate endlessly what [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► constitutes a game but i think there is [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► a line where you know you've stopped [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► playing a game and you're you're [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► basically experiencing a Judy Blume [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► novel with a really convoluted page [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► turning mechanism know and this I think [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► was was over that line for me I I you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► know I understand that other people [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► probably feel very differently about it [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► but didn't really work for me and I i [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► really enjoyed it i mean III playing ki [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► played in two sessions and so I had that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► first instinct was session on the plane [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► where I played for an hour or so and at [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► that point was like really creeped out [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► and kind of put away because I was like [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► all right I need to put this you know [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► come back to this when I'm not on a [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► plane in the darkness over the over the [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► middle of the country and I played it [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► like an afternoon and so it was it at [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► that point i think it was right around [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► the time at which you start getting a [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► better idea of what kind of game it was [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► so the mood for me while still creepy at [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► times and sort of having that eerie [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► movie atmosphere that the job was [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► talking about a it it's often a little [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► bit both probably by being in daylight [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and because i was starting to get a [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► clearer picture of what the story was [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► about and I think you know Steve's right [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► that this is there's a lot of this [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► that's more story like in terms of you [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► know being told a story but i don't know [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► i mean i still thought as a game it was [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► fun and interesting it was a yeah i [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► don't--there's there's room for a lot of [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► different types of games in this for me [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you know well not like many of the other [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► games that I play I think it was still [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► worthwhile experience and it was an [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► interesting story and I enjoyed the way [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that it was presented and clearly as [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► someone who didn't go through in like [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► unlock everything cream you know maybe I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► didn't get the most out of it that I [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► could have but I still thought it was [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► pretty good as we're going to find that [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► in a moment I thought gone home was much [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► more successful than brothers I think [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► and it instantly it's I think it's of [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► interest to a narrow group of people [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► than brothers is and I think gone home [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► requires more empathy [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► charity and life experience to [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► appreciate like a 12 year olds not gonna [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► play gone home and you know get into it [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► or maybe they would I don't know but it [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► seems like not it's not as broad and in [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► terms of like what is a game what isn't [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► I i was filled that what gaming brings [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► to the experience is the idea that you [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► are making things happen not that you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► like oh I can change the game in the end [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► of the end of my game the house blew up [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► or anything like that it's it's the [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► illusion of of control and agent this [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► year just the sheer fact that you're [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► participating you said I was [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► sophisticated way of paper showing a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► sufficiently sophisticated technique of [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► page-turning brings me at least into the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► story more because i feel like i am i am [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► participating I'm like you get the same [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► thing when you read a book like you an [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► empty empathize with the character lead [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► character whatever but the act of [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► walking around doing that stuff and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► looking through things yourself as [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► little as it may matter to the outcome [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► of the game or maybe your become totally [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► longer else or whatever I if you don't [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► feel that and I didn't feel that much [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► during this game it makes the story more [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► meaningful to me than if I had simply [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► read those journal entries on let that's [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► my yardstick you put the text of this [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► game into a book and read it versus me [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► playing this game i'll pick the game any [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► day of the week with the exact same [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► words and that I feel like it's what [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► gaming brings to this above and beyond a [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► story I very much agree with what you're [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► saying there and when I thought exactly [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the opposite i thought this could be [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► done better in a book with with the same [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► thing with the same text now well I mean [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► you have to have to structure in such a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► way that it wasn't ridiculous I mean you [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► can just read the journal and and be [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► satisfied with that but honestly my [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► obviously we did in the book you flush [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► it out way more and it would be you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► could make a good book out of this but [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► just given just given the amount of [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► texts in the stories here with maybe a [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► little bit of connecting stuff I feel [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► like walking through the house finding [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► things yourself doing the stuff in that [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► atmosphere heighten the experience my [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► way above just attacks and now you two [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► must fight to the death and I just felt [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► like I wasn't doing anything is the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► problem is i was picking up milk cartons [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and turning them over and I was [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► basically just killing time until I [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► found the next blotted a piece of paper [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► that was story relevant and so there [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► wasn't enough to suck me in and and [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► maybe it's just down to having spent too [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► much time playing haunted house games or [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► games where I'm exploring house and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► actually manipulating items in [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► and really feeling like I'm part of the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► story as opposed to just watching [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► through the eyes of the character who's [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► doing all this stuff but it just it just [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► never grabbed me but but your point your [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► point is absolutely right i mean if it [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► if if this game had pulled me in that [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► way then i would say absolutely this is [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► a far superior medium for this story [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► than a book but for me it just didn't [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► pistols at dawn no actually you leech [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► you just have to make a cassette [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► its a mix tape mixtape tapes it on okay [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► yeah it's gonna be alright girl stuff I [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► hope you're cool with that job out there [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► they're definitely weaknesses to the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► story in the way that like you don't [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► want to see the strings and you do see [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► them a little bit too much here and I [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► feel for them because it is so [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► incredibly that's what am i bringing [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► journey and what makes journey so [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► amazing at least in the first place for [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► me is like you cannot see the strings [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► and everything seemed to work out [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► perfectly that's almost impossible to do [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► and there's a little bit too much like [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► if I had to change this game around i [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► would say I fewer things that are [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► pointless so you wouldn't be spending [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► milk cartons for no reason and like it [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► its I kind of know what they would have [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► to change to make it better but the it [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► when it comes down to the details like [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► geez this is a really really hard [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► problem and so it is extremely difficult [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► to make this type of game so that works [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► for everybody [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► I think they did enough of it here where [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► I'm going to give it a thumbs up in it [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► and totally endorse the game in it and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► it worked for me but it doesn't reach [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► you no guarantees level for me [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► not even close but still recommended see [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and journey worked wonderfully for me [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► and I think a lot of that was down to [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the fact that there were actually [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► problems for you to solve in journey [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► they were difficult problems and they [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► were very unconventional and I think I [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► complained a little bit in the journey [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► episode about the fact that there wasn't [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► enough difficulty for me really to to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► stretch the game out but it just the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► simple fact that i had to solve some [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► sort of problem gave me such a an [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► attachment to the character it really [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► made me feel like I was guiding this guy [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► or you know it going farther i actually [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► am this guy is he's exploring this world [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► and this there just wasn't anything in [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► this game to do that for me but and I [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► think you know I think different parts [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► of games resonate with different people [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► in different ways i mean i think some [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► people really want that sense of kind of [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► challenge and achievement and overcoming [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► an obstacle [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► you know a lot of games build off of [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that very heavily this game does not [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► almost at all right i mean they're the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► puzzles in this gamer so trivial you [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► might as well not called and puzzles but [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► it's really strong in the story area [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► which is you know other games are not or [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► in other games would be more about the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► visuals and you know I think this game [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► does pretty well but for visuals but [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► it's clearly more about the story I mean [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► these characters in gone home feel more [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► real to me than any other video game i [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► can remember that's one aspect of the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► game but we haven't talked about that is [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► definitely true is that if you are for [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► example like you know a kid who is gay [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► who grew up closet didn't have to come [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► out of your parents are like if you have [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► actual personal residence with with this [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► situation and also it's a it's a story [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► that you don't often see in Games which [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► I feel like this is like that's a lot of [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the extra attention this game is getting [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► is because it's telling a story to [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► people who normally don't have the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► stories told because in that space [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► marines or detectives you know what i [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► mean and that like that goes a long way [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► towards you know giving this game a [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► boost in that it's a story even if [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► you're not even if you can't directly [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► emphasize with the things that are [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► happening because none of those things [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► happened in your family or whatever it's [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► maybe a story that you haven't played [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► there before I've been the grizzled [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► detective I've been the space marine I [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► haven't been the daughter coming home [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► from Europe you've been a little space [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► detective [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► yes I've been the gristle space that was [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► only once and i've been i've been linked [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► many many times i actually have been the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► confused lesbian though [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► yes well it was College Steve yeah well [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► we did like this but it sounds young [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► I'm going to hit the pause button one [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► more time to talk to you about our [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► second sponsor its Zoe spelled x owi [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► it's a Kickstarter campaign running [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► until november 21st 2013 it's a wearable [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► badge for quick voice interactions [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► straight out of Star Trek The Next [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► Generation if Siri and Google now had a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► robot baby imagine that it would be Zoe [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► you clip this badge anywhere it can give [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► easy spoken instructions like turn off [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► the AC give me the weather reading my [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► facebook messages turn on the porch [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► lights i want to watch some football and [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► plenty more [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► they're looking to raise $100,000 on [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► Kickstarter you can reserve your very [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► own Zoe for 149 with a device scheduled [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► to ship in March 2014 it connects with [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► your iphone Windows Phone Android phone [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► or blackberry by bluetooth and charges [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► by a microUSB so it looks great [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► understands you and responds quickly [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► the end succinctly go to Zoe dot me to [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► learn more and reserve yours today [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that's X owi dot me to reserve your Zoe [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► let's uh let's move on and talk about [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► brothers brothers a tale of two sons [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► available on xbox and playstation and is [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► this on pc to yes it is that's where i [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► played it all right i played this on [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► xbox actually came here seen did you [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► have got like every console for a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► non-gamer i do I first yes I got every [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► every last generation console now [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► yes I am state-of-the-art from 2008 [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► Steve wow yeah i know it's pretty cool [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► i'm gonna going to watch the x-files VHS [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► is and make some mixtapes then but if [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► you're talking you know you talk down [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► your gamer credit but you got some men [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► have no credit i have the boxes with all [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► those games that I don't finish so that [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► potential energy versus kinetic legs [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► thank you thank you to the energy her [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► yeah statements teasingly energy can [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► never truly be destroyed by one relay [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► the games I just never played violin [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► playing games because the podcast that's [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► my new that's my new traveling excuse so [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► brothers uh from Star values about two [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► brothers it's about brothers it's a tale [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► of two sons they are the sons of their [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► parents the same parents dust brothers [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► you're not going to get me my opening [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► statement refers to make anyone do you [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► have an opening statement about this I [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► yeah we need to find her off the full [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► display board first John yeah no I don't [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► think you need to fire it off but like I [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► think this is a good way to frame this [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► is all I will frame it then you guys [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► will go nuts and i will pick up any [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► scraps that you got at the end because [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► as I said I thought gone home was more [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► successful this and so the creators of [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► this game are so very clearly fans of [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► one of my favorite games of all time [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► eco which I've been trying to get us [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► successful and write both my third [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► person adventure games with two main [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► characters both of them don't require a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► lot of skill to play both we have an [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► emphasis on cooperation and both of them [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► emphasize the emotional impact / like [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► fancy gameplayer puzzles like that and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the danger of basing being heavily [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► inspired by one of my hair games all [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► times that i will constantly compare [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► your game to one of my favorite games of [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► all time [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► and in the case of brothers i did that [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► and found it lacking and I have a huge [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► list of reasons that's the case but [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► instead i will let you guys go and [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► anything that you don't get i will pick [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► up my first note just says eco plus lost [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► vikings minus originality minus [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► difficulty so I I've got a couple of [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► things here first i should say that the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► premise here is that these brothers [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► their father is ill mysteriously and [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► they have to be set out to go across [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► this world find a cure and the clever [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► game mechanic that I think is the thing [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► that makes this game [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the most notable and why people have [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► talked about it is you control both [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► brothers the left thumbstick controls [TS]