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00:00:12 ◼ ► complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► siracusa I'm Dan benjamin today february [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/15">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► episode number 53 and we would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/22">TS</a>]
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00:00:44 ◼ ► out Mac Mini Colo net / 5x5 how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/44">TS</a>]
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00:01:00 ◼ ► failing okay cuz I got a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/60">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► here a lot of feedback yeah there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/67">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► lot of email alright well we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/70">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► gonna have to give it a go here all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/77">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► right I'm game if you are is gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► mess no old boy you're ready to help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► save me from myself no I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► that's something one person alone can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/89">TS</a>]
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00:01:47 ◼ ► it's a big game this weekend I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► you're a football fan one day a year I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/110">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► barely yeah barely one day a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/113">TS</a>]
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00:02:02 ◼ ► ahead of time yeah now that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► I like the one I was surprised you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/125">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► yeah sure all right we better get going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► let's do it I mean the show already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/132">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► began this is the show that should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► name of some show you should make be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/136">TS</a>]
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00:02:44 ◼ ► right follow up so we have a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/164">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► of follow up from the stuff about iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► Author and education yeah actually we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► continue to have a lot of that but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/175">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► only going to put a little bit of it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► here I begun one of those podcasts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► mentioned I think it was in my sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► education thing where I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► important several things were above and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/188">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► beyond the materials and one of them was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/193">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► that the importance of good teachers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► I think I referenced the idea that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► teachers can have a profound impact on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► the lives of students which you agreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► with but I didn't have any sort of link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/205">TS</a>]
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00:03:34 ◼ ► New York Times article the title is big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► study links good teachers to lasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► gain and it's a study that looked at 2.5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► million students over 20 years so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► pretty broad study and they showed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► they had to find a way of qualifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► like what counts as a good teacher so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► they just said elementary middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► teachers who help raise their student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/233">TS</a>]
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00:03:58 ◼ ► the good teachers right and I said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► those teachers had a lasting positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/240">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► effect on those students lives they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► them lower teen pregnancy they graduated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► college more often they made more money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► as adult stuff like that so they linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► to it in the show notes and you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► all about another article I cited I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► think it was on a second iBooks Author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► show was that article from Mackay Thomas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► that we discuss high schools are step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/260">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► one of to reproduce was a stepping stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/261">TS</a>]
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00:04:42 ◼ ► to want it even not trying to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/282">TS</a>]
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00:04:50 ◼ ► post I didn't respond to most of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/290">TS</a>]
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00:04:58 ◼ ► should have ridden him and complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/298">TS</a>]
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00:05:02 ◼ ► apparently he is very mistaken about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► according to the feedback I received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/305">TS</a>]
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00:05:14 ◼ ► that from the ever-present Kieran Healy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/314">TS</a>]
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00:05:24 ◼ ► the professors tell it the stock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/324">TS</a>]
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00:05:40 ◼ ► like that versus public schools where as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► I think I mentioned and as many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/344">TS</a>]
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00:05:50 ◼ ► u.s. is this big bureaucracy full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/350">TS</a>]
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00:05:54 ◼ ► Board of Education is dictating textbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/354">TS</a>]
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00:06:42 ◼ ► textbooks are selected in colleges only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► professors do ah but just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/403">TS</a>]
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00:07:05 ◼ ► confound that expectations that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/425">TS</a>]
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00:07:11 ◼ ► maybe just the ones with lots of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/431">TS</a>]
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00:07:16 ◼ ► colleges want to attract you to them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/436">TS</a>]
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00:07:22 ◼ ► students are used to books on their iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► or electronic books or whatever and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/444">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► make them buy textbooks you're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/445">TS</a>]
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00:07:32 ◼ ► education so yes the students don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► which books you you know how the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► textbooks work in a college but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/459">TS</a>]
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00:07:45 ◼ ► colleges in the US are very competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/465">TS</a>]
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00:07:58 ◼ ► after the podcast I started getting some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► feedback on Twitter and email saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► kept saying game theory is that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► what you went and I said that I say game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► theory once or twice there I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► listen to the podcast I said game theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► like 80 times so as many people pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► out correctly I'm not quite sure why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► different than using game design skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► in in a different context gamification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/499">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► mathematical models of conflict and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► cooperation and it's it's a it's like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/509">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► that's what hit this was his big theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► before he went nuts or maybe he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► already debatably a little nuts but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► is what his his whole thing was that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► changed the way people think about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► but that's not what you were that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► what you were referring to yeah that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► totally different thing and most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► have no interaction with game theory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► their regular lives except for the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/533">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► that they might have seen a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/534">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► mind and it gave that typical movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► overview of the the you know what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► all about the are you implying that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/539">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► way things are represented in movies is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► not completely accurate especially where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► science and math is concerned I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► was accurate enough to give you an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/547">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► of what game theory is not accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► enough to give you an idea of what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► guy's particular idea was or why it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► revolutionary or whatever uh but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► that's not what I was talking about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/556">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► I kept saying game theory is is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► I don't have a good word for like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► gamification again I kept saying like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► using game theory to help make learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► better blah blah blah you're not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/567">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► games you're not using the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► circumstances of game and calculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► possible outcomes and you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► that it's not game theory very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/578">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► correction about game theory they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► gamification or talked about using game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/584">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► or other applied game design suggestion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► from it from the chat room that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► applied game design is better than game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► theory so I apologize for incorrectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► using game theory many times if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► to learn about what actual game theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/600">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► is a spoiler alert it's math and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► don't like math you probably won't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► gamification don't you mean maths Carl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► was that a sling sling played thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► yeah hey you know I've been a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/613">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► before that movie came out I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► seen that movie but I have seen them any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► clips that involve that type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► mmm so one final piece before we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► the inevitable heavyweight follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/625">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► okay so the other thing I wanted to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► about was I listened to Marcos last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► episode of build analyze I was number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► sixty-two frustrated by the invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/637">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► person where he yes extensively about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/638">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► the nest thermostat right I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► podcast I should I linked to the nest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► thermostat to suggest nest comm there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/647">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and they're not a sponsor and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► we'll never be after listening to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► everything he said there but have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► used one you have one well I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► skipped all the part where he that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► retold about buying the thing and trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► to hook it up and finding out that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► not what he wants I skip right to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► end part where when when I saw the nest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► thermostat I went to the website watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/674">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► a little video and I understood what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► they were trying to do and quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/678">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► surmise that it's not for me right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► skipped that middle part where you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/681">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► all frustrated and buy them and hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/682">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► them up here I also I also skip that far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► yeah um but what I wanted to do is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► summarize the the issue here is when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/688">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► looked at the nest thermostat I saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► what what they were doing what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► product was doing was you know they saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► programmable thermostats exist but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► hard to program right and rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► making a thermostat that was easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► program you know somebody has to hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► program I'm going to make a start-up I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► going to make it so much that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► really easy to program their solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► was to bypass that and so let's think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► outside the box how about a thermistor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► that you don't have to program there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/722">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► no program like that's that's what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► were trying to do like not make your VCR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► easier to program like to use the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► example of you know people bought VCRs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► right with that twelve always flashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► on the screen yeah and how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► something right and the solution you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► know the next solution to that is well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► how about we make a seed you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/742">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► don't have to program it at all there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/743">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► no programming like and what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► consider to be programming you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► people know how to turn the dial to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/748">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► the temperature the temperature they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► want it to be right they know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/751">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► turn it one direction when they're cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/752">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► in the other direction when they're hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/754">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► and we want that to be the only skill is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► required of the users of our product but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► we also wanted to have the typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/760">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► advantages of a programmable thermostat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and that you save energy by not putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► the heat on when you're on the house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► stuff like that so I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► pretty interesting or good idea is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/768">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► interesting and they're not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► improve program ability about like home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► making a cool web interface to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/776">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► programmability but you could slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/777">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► these sliders around look at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► graphs that would be one way to go and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► bet there are products like that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/782">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► there they said we are going to assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► that the current level of thermostat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► using skill a general population is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► unchangeable pretty much and that all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► can rely on is the fact that they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► how to turn the dial to make themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► feel better and we're going to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► input to try to surmise what it is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► would really like if they actually knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► how to program a thing but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/804">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► and the key to understanding why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► yourself the question do I know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► program my thermostat and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► question have I programmed my thermostat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► if the answer to both those questions is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► yes you probably don't need nest and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► only do you not need it but you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► angered and from that you may become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► furious at it yeah because like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► problem it's solving you don't have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► there's this other problem which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► probably why mark or bother your other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/834">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► problem is my thermostat is ugly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► that's a very different problem you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/838">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► what I mean this thermostat is not ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/839">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► it's cool-looking you like how it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► he bought it and he solved the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► of I have an ugly thermostat or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► potential thermostats and I buy are ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► but the main problem this is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► solve is the one where you can't program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► don't program your thermostat so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► that's that's kind of ships passing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► the night maybe maybe the next people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► have like an untapped market of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► seven uber nerds who are willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/868">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► nevertheless just a boring traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► programmable thermostat so they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► sell that tomorrow in a second perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► yes The Learning Thermostat and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► cool-looking thermostat it's a mouthful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/885">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► for slogan all right his well one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► one thing I want to add and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► speaking for Marco here I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► that his at the end of it what what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► was kind of saying was he really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► like the things that you identified that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► attractive it it looks really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► there's tons of benefits of like he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► update it from his iPhone or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► and say oh man we're on vacation we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► forgot to change the thermostat you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► change it remotely all this great stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► that it does he wishes that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► had everything that it had except the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► part where it tries to learn and figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/927">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► out what you want to do and it just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► the flagship feature right the flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► II and and and yeah that's funny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/933">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► override the flagship feature because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► that's what it but I think and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► this is I've thought about a lot since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► he and I recorded that it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► that yes that is the flagship feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► but maybe it shouldn't be because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► would love to get these things for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► house but same as you I I don't want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► to learn about my habits you know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► perm I know I know how to tell it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► and and in fact I'd be fine just when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► want a little cooler just turn the dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► make it cooler that's enough for me um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► but of course it doesn't it doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► that I don't I don't know if they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/969">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► ever come out with anything but what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► did basically say is that he likes it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/971">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► just doesn't he just doesn't feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► it's ready to go yet completely it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► exactly you know there's still some bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► even in doing what it is doing but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► they were to come out with an update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► that that made it you could just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► don't be so smart be dumb that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► product you know the kids call that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/990">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► these days know the pivot the piston up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► redo the pivot I realize the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► were making all right you learnt you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► know learning thermostats turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/999">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► that's not such a great idea because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► really the world is cut into two camps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► people who want to be able to program it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► and people who don't care about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► so if we just simply made for examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► do the pivot and say we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► the same kind of cool thermostat with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► all these cool features but instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► trying to take away programming we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► going to change our tack and concentrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► on making programming it so easy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► anybody can do it but we won't we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► going to limit them beside and all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► know how to do is turn the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► to the temperature they want like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► monkey and we'll try to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► the heck ya meant by that like when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► come in the room at 6:25 a.m. and turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► the temperature up to you know 68 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► we will surmise aha it appears that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► want the temperature to be you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► this is assuming so ministers working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► appears they want the temperature to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► 68 degrees it's 625 well in order to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► that I've determined that I have to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► the heat on that you know five forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► eight to get it up to that you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► it's trying to be smart and failing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► as you discussed it like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► frustrating so they can do the pivot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► say we we've learned this is not such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► great idea we're going to you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► be too ashamed to say don't stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► your guns and say oh well our whole idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► is to take away programming entirely if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► that doesn't work out just say okay now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► cool-looking thermostat with lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► cool features that's easy enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► progress easier to program than those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► annoying ones it's a little you know LCD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► display is that right and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► and I think I think most human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► are used to the concept of saying at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► you know because most of us who own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► homes have I don't know about up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► where you are but a lot of us have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► irrigation systems so we're very used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► the concept of saying on this day at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► this time do this and that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► straightforward and it's the same way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► program our TiVo's our VCRs and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► they're connected to a show but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► it's not that weird to go and program a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► light timer to say yeah at 7:00 p.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► turn on 10:00 p.m. turn off and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► if this if this device if this nest just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► made it easier and more elegant to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► thing to make it a simple way to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► yeah now when I want to change the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► that it comes on at this temperature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► just twist a dial I don't have to hit 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► different buttons and switch different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► mode like just make it better make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► experience of doing what we're already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► doing better instead of kind of taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► away the control that we have yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► think it remains to be seen whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► whether they need to pivot because just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► because people like mark or a subset by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► it doesn't mean that it won't still find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► its audience so we'll see but now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► to get to Wikipedia which is our big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► follow up yeah big follow up big follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► lots of lots of feedback whoo at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► beginning like my normal feedback thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► I do is free emails that I get I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► label in Gmail and and I star the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► that I think I'm going to want to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► up on directly but the number of stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► quickly got to the point where I says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► you know it's the The Princess Bride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► thing you know I know there is too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► individual emails and address the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► individual points because it would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► 17 shows so I'm going to try to group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► the feed back into themes and then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► going to use one particular piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► feedback as kind of a stand-in from any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► other so if you wrote in with feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► rest assured that I read every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► piece of feedback that comes either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► directly to me or through that form just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► because we don't cite you directly or by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► name on the air doesn't mean we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1198">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► read you and just because I don't reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► to you doesn't mean I didn't read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► absorb it but there's a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► you just you know you can't so don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► feel like I'm ignoring your point even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► if we do skip over because I may get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► it in a future show but I have to lump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► this together so the first theme for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► feedback which is a boring one but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► it was there was people sharing similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► stories about their encounters with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► Wikipedia and these are probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► same people who are tweeting listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► to the show and saying you know positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► things like right on or you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► exactly what I think about capito so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► that they're sharing stories where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► they'll say I you know jumped onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► Wikipedia and I tried to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► and I was repelled by the similar things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► and they like of course hearing someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► else echo their same experiences in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► wider venue so the person whose feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► I'm going to use as sort of a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► through this section here I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► looked at peda pronounce his name hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► it's William Beutler bu T lar and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► citing his article in the both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► section and the other sections where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► talk about more negative things and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► one of the things that he wrote quote he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► wrote a blog post about this is why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► feedback was public and so I can put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► in the show notes and everybody can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► it rather than me trying to retell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► emails that people sent us individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► so he agrees on this this positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► feedback thing he says and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► his website is called like the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► the Wikipedian comments me this shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► how unprepared I am a demon have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► shownotes open you're doing a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► though the Wikipedian so clearly he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► coming from you know perspective he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► coming from perfectly right William [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► Bueller on on Wikipedia he has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► vague familiarity with Wiccan right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► early on the article he says many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► try to get involved Wikipedia who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► no idea what it's really about and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► experience Wikipedia struggles to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► explain itself to outsiders and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► always will so I think the universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► consensus on the shared experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► trying to participate in Wikipedia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► bouncing off of it and by far that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► the the theme behind the vast majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► of the positive feedback whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► you know direct emails or Twitter things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► or people you know just saying nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► things about the podcast that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► hearing me tell a story that was similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► to their experience and I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► the positive feedback also comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► the fact that in in forums that are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► specifically about Wikipedia like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► podcast it's not specifically about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► Wikipedia you rarely hear people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► anything but good things about Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► including you know I can hear my link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► Wikipedia like crazy in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► and I as I think I said in the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► love that it exists and it's often the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► only place you can find any kind of link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► like that and we relied on all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► you very rarely hear negative things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► about Wikipedia outside of sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► wiki the circle of Wikipedia so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► all these people who weren't involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► with Wikipedia but it just tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► participate in and it bounced off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► finally felt like some vindication that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► is all it's not just me I'm not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► crazy one that everyone says Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► is great but I have this bad experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► and a Wikipedia in here also saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► same thing yes this is a real phenomenon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► it happens now I want to add that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► this is not something that William added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► I'm gonna keep calling William doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► want to keep trying to pronounce his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► last name that he didn't say this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► necessarily a bad thing the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► people try to participate in Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► and and don't have don't understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► and have a bad experience and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► Wikipedia I assume or any institution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► wants people to get involved in it who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► are on board with his mission you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► mean so if you think you know if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► involved with it and find out but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► is really why I want well you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► they want the people who are gung-ho on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► Wikipedia and learn about and say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► that's exactly what I get want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► involved in and you don't need every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► single person in the entire world to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► participate in Wikipedia you just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► the best people you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► so I'm not saying this as if it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► sort of negative and it shows see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► participate in and then they they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► ah that may be a neutral thing but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► it is a phenomenon and that was one part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► of what was expressed on our last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► episode when I discuss Wikipedia um the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► other thing is that the Wikipedia of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► course expects newbies to comment people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► who don't understand anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► Wikipedia and they and they do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► indoctrinate new people and say you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► keep you know fresh blood in the project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► you want to get people up to speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► stuff like that and I think Chadwick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► Severn was the first person to point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► application education Wikipedia uses a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► similar form of gamification in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► structure so there are there levels to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► Wikipedia where you come in you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► out as an editor and then later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► become an administrator and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► arbitrator that's their sort of loveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► system right and apparently there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► something that's very similar to badges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► or like achievements on people's user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► profiles something that I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► know what those orbs I didn't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► to look it up but Jack wick also points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Wikipedia has a virtual currency as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► and that's the number of edits you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► I'm not involved enough in the system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► representation of would you consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Wikipedia and most sort of like groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► do employ gamification in some way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► help make participation more attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► so I think Wikipedia does want new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► people to come in and does want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► get enthused for about the project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► level up and go through it and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► a learning process but it's also true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► that many people you know are repelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► that Wikipedia rather than attracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► when they attempt to participate and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► think there's so many of these similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► stories because of something that I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► talked about in last show is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► Wikipedia is and what people think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► that was kind of one of the main reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► I brought up the talk topic at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► experience where I didn't understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► as similar to other peoples it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► it's not so much that they decide not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► participate because they know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► Kapiti is not for them they think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► for them that's it they think they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► what Wikipedia is and I said yeah what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► could be use that thing where everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► stuffing to contribute that let me try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► it and then when they learn what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► actually is they're you know it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► things at once it's the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► don't like what it is and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► it what it is is not what they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► it was and those two combine very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► quickly to make you know as a repulsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► force to make you go away oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► wait wait a second this isn't this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► what I thought I was signing up for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► know again william saying that syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► are correctly observes wikipedia is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► a place where you can write the write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► down stuff that you know what capilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► writes about other people writing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► things and i really do feel that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► not what most people think Wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► that's why I start Alessio asking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► Wikipedia was that it just ripped this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► mean maybe if you were to present it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► them in the right way they would agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► with it but if you just ask them to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► what do you think Wikipedia is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► think of it as a place where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► smart people go to write stuff that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► know or people with knowledge put their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► knowledge but that's not what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► right and that that big mismatch is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► I think forms this whole repulsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► problem and that gets to mostly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► and I think we sort of came to it and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► roundabout way in the last show but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► tertiary source I mean it's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► and that I would like to allow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► direct contribution of knowledge in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► other words I want I would rather it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► the thing that everyone thinks it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► so the question is why why do you why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► I not why do I want it to be that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► that everyone thinks is well one reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► obviously is that I think it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► there would be more participation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► because this is what most people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► it is and when they're shocked to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► out the difference that is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► different than they don't they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► interested in contributing or they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► a bad experience or it frustrates them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and that limits the number of people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► necessarily be a bad thing it depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► how many people you want to contribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► but I like the idea of more people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► contributing so why why do I want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► be something different the reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► that is tied up in lots of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► aspects of the problem that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► hard to talk about in a clearer way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► we went off on many different tangents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► last show but sort of broadly speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► my the reason I wanted to be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► is that people who want to contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► its knowledge to Wikipedia are thwarted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► in the currently and they're thwarted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► several different things they're sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► by first expecting to be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► not understanding as a tertiary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► not understanding this is where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► really record knowledge that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► they're sorted by the notability thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► which we touched on the last show but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► think maybe I deserve more emphasis but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► there's a topic where a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► people want to make some sort of public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► record of and they are upset to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► that the fact that a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► people want to make a public record of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► this is not sufficient for it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► deemed important enough to be included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► in Wikipedia so notability in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► deletion is type thing and then finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► there's the rules lawyer ring by people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► with opposing views like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► talking about some issue that has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► know opposing views on one side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► other even if you're not doing advocacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► at all the fact that you're just trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► inherently has some sort of advocacy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► it or is contentious in any way if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► people who are on the opposite side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► the debate from you know the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► better than you do they can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► things that we they can use those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► that both the things we just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► about that the fact that its tertiary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► source and the notability requires that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► anything else they can use that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► prevent you from contributing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► knowledge and these are the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► I don't like about that then I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► someplace where everybody can put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► their knowledge and it's more inclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► more and more able to accept the input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► from people who want to provide it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► less sort of less elitist and less less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► constrained so that was the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► what I was talking about the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► most listener complaints from both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► Wikipedians on now non Wikipedians was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► how can that possibly work how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► that's said swell and all you identified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► instances where people are frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► with Wikipedia and you say you wish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► was this different thing but how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► that different thing possibly work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► know and I think the well before I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► into the specifics look implies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► that's that's kind of the shape of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► the the feedback I think was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► the the main thing that I was saying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► then there are many different ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► express the idea that the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► wanted uh sound good in theory but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► practice are not feasible and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► like it's kind of like saying well many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► people actually some people use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► exactly example well democracy is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► worst system of government except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► all the other ones like that yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► got lots of problems and it's bad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► it's very easy to point out the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► but what can you do it's the best thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► that we have and that gets all tied up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► into the into my where's your better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► movie thing where I like to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► complain about something without being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► told that I have to have the solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► it but in this case I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► the same that applies 100% because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► heart of my complaint is that I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► could be better if done differently so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► think there is some requirement to at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► well why do things are bad and what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► especially with something as successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► as Wikipedia and many people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► know about that I we will get to it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► eventually but a lot of people got tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► up in knots in their feedback assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► that what I'm suggesting by implication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► if not explicitly is taking Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► and changing its rules and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► take the existing Wikipedia and remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► for example verifiability and allowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► direct contribution allowing original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► research it's very easy to see that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► would be a mess and that's what I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► you will point out so you can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that that that wouldn't work right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► it's kind of the case with the existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► of a successful entity in this space the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► existence of Wikipedia as this big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► thinking about this entire issue it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► kind of like when the iPhone comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► and if the entire thing is made of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► screen suddenly that sort of draws the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► borders of what the future of phones is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► and everybody else starts thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► all right well obviously we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► have a big rectangular thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► screen and then in the only place we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► make different decisions is what's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► that screen how many buttons do we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► whereas before the iPhone phones look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► like all sorts of crazy things so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► success of the iPhone has sort of hemmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► in the thinking of all the other phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► makers for good or for ill it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► it's a fact and they are working within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► that framework now I think wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► collaborative collection of knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► and so anytime anyone wants to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► about that issue at all like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► I was saying you should allow direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► contributions and these people shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► be kept from from doing what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► verifiability over truth and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► that said well they immediately think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► and then they extrapolate and they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► that doesn't work it's chaos it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► know it becomes a fortune for it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► it no it's not it's not it's not useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► all right so now finally I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► this article by Willing Beutler on his a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► blog the Wikipedian all right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► before you walk through let's do our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► first sponsor have been talking for 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► minutes and we've got to get him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► because it's a cool sponsor you'll prove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► it the sponsor I wish you would in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► I wish you would use this sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► personally you John sir I wish you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► use it it's fresh books fresh books calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► painless billing now they came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► that sounds like something I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► they did that on their own so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► this is what they're about there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► the fastest way to track time organize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► expenses invoice your clients I let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► focus on your work not your paperwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► you know so when you invoice somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► what do you do right now you fire up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► pages you fire board you type it into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► email and then you immediately lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► track of that what happened it did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► send it that were they able to open it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► don't know they say they never got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► did they did they get and just not pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► if FreshBooks eliminates that you create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► it they handle sending it they send out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► a special private URL to the person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► see in their list did they read it yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► they did they received it you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► that it was sent you can see that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► received you can see that they viewed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► if they pay you with paypal or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► like that and this supports all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► payment gateways then it'll show is paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► right there you know that they've paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► it if not they send you a check you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► go in click the box that it's marked as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► paid it's great but they do a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► than that they do a whole lot more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► than just that I mean they've got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► aside from the online payments they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► all the built-in follow-up stuff the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► professional invoicing they let you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► invoices and break it all out it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► different currencies I mean it tuns us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► that they even have a thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► can print out the invoice and mail it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► these people you're dealing with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► who don't know what email is they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► thought of everything real human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► answer the phone when you call or send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► an email these guys are great new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► that they have going now which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► one take an extra second to type out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► because this is really cool it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► be you'd sign up and you just basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► just be you you could be you and three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► clients and you could use it like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► you can still do that they've still got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► that free plant thing tucked away but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► is what they have now for the first 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► days okay you can have unlimited team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► members staff members using it tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► time sending invoices for you everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► unlimited unlimited clients now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► ends after 30 days they scale you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► down but that you get to really use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► the way you would really use it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► longtime sponsor of us if you if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► anything with time tracking or sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► freshbooks comm thanks very much to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► for making this show possible I want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► to start using to Cheung music because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► beautiful handmade invoices I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► that your personal signatures is on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► something I believe you could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► do with this too but no because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► invoice me with fresh books I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► right in my own system and I can pay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► right through the system anyway just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► idea I'm just planning for it you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► planting a seed okay alright let's walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► through then yeah so this article the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► title of this article is verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► and truth what john siracusa doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► about Wikipedia so very provocative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► title then it makes you want to at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► makes you want to read it yeah I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► the site design to it it's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► clean I like the the font choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► everything alright so here's a here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► section from this it's a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► article and it has lots of stuff in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► some stuff hi gruesome stuff I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► we'll go through some of it here he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► and in case you didn't guess I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► him as a stand-in for all the negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► I guess it's mostly what his point is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► the title suggests so he's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► what I said on the podcast by privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► Nkrumah verifiability both of these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► in quotes one gets the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► wikipedia where all possible viewpoints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► are explored and somehow eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► Wikipedia just makes the right call this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► contentious topics would sit wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► unchecked aggression in a world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► Wikipedia aims for truth but issues Vera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► verifiability there are no footholds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► upon which a study to study an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► there is no way to know what should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► considered credible or otherwise so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► I think is a nice summary of listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► feedback about my idea of not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► Wikipedia be of tertiary so it's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► that the framing is still there right a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► Rashomon like Wikipedia where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► viewpoints are explored so it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► descriptive modifier wikipedia you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► somehow eventually Wikipedia would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► make the right call it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► assumption that you have Wikipedia but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► it's modified all right and we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► we'll get to that more later but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► to see that that's inherent in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► discussion of this topics that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► assuming that we're talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► institution of Wikipedia and what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► talking about or modifications to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► here's why they won't work you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► Wikipedia a mess for truth which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► I was talking about I thought truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► should be the number one but but issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► is it eschews es I like yeah I'm good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► let's go with that I love it yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► don't not upon sittin you know it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► but no it's that that you're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► right but issues verifiability there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► no footholds upon a wish to study an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► argument which i think is nicely written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► so that here's one thing that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► I didn't make clear I didn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► suggest that citations should not exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and uh what all I wanted was that truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► be the ultimate goal no this obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► is a loaded question I kept circling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► back to it and waffling to say well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► know so then what is truth truth is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► loaded word what's how can you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► discuss this issue I didn't just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► like the fact that the the goal was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► truth not verifiability but it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► say and by the way you're not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► there's no citations lab no verification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► allowed right of course in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► scenario that I'm imagining citations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► would still exist and be encouraged but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► there would simply be other ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► contribute in other words it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► strictly be a tertiary source and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► contribute besides citing something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► was written in a reliable source so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► so forth doesn't mean you can't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► citations doesn't mean you can't be do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► things that would be valid in Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► you know and in fact I imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► would still be the majority of content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► the feedback on Prince EA is SQ like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► letter s and the word qu so I was close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► I just have trouble saying that word all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► right now this gets into a sidetrack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► verifiability first I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► that's a loaded word all right so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► he was discussing the fact that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► said that Wikipedia seemed to be prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► paper sources and old-world things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► the rules of sort of the bygone era that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► defined you know the very fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► want to be tertiary source because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► that's what encyclopedias are and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► fact encyclopedias were important they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► think they're the new encyclopedias [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► their adopt they use as a springboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► the starting point of like well what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► an encyclopedia working to be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► version of that right but specifically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► magazines to online even went online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► gets more traffic and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► like that so he says he hopes that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► I don't that helps it John Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► doesn't actually think that Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► editors prefer paper if anything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► actually prefer online sources which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► easier to check but he completely misses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► verifiability the paper magazine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► poor circulation at least will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► editors who are presumed to care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► fact-checking and accuracy a web forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► however popular may be it may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► moderators that's not the same thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► having an editor a discussion group is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► not an editorial operation period the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► forum is a primary source and so should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► only be used to support reliable sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► right so there a couple of issues with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► this passage that as he kind of gets to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► at the end the specific example of ft FF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► was a case where as he notes the forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► was a primary source the foreign web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► forum wasn't reporting on a topic so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► that they have no editorial oversight in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► a webstorm is they're the primary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► they are the people discussing a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and the many different web forums are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► like well here's some people talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► about this here's but you know if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► going to show that a term has become has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► gone into widespread use within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► Apple community citing 17 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► different websites and citing back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► the original Apple forum where this term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► came from was a way to support your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► argument right but that's original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► research if you're hopping around to ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► different forums and finding a lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► instances of where this word is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► becoming secondary source you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► that to write an article for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► publication to say you know I'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► a reliable a considered a reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► source in the Mac community and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► going to write for Mac world magazine or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► dissatisfaction with the Mac os10 finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► and in it I'm going to reference this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► term and I'm going to cite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► it is a peer in X Y & Z form or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► right but were you to do that directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► and Wikipedia that they would say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► know we would prefer to be a tertiary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► original research and then writing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► the results of your research on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► Wikipedia page let's see where we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► here so the second point on this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► is the the bit where he says the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► magazine with poor circulation at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► will have editors who are presumed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► care about fact-checking and accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and it's the presumed to care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► business that was getting my dander up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► about how how Wikipedia was just a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► know built on a house of sand and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► just one giant appeal to Authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► fallacy and we'll get more appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Authority more later so for instance New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► York Times The Wall Street Journal are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► presumed to be reliable sources now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► it it's kind of like the depilatory is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► you know they've said things in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► they said this new thing therefore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► new thing is probably correct because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► the past this publication has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► correct right and for things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► New York Times The Wall Street Journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► said like there are things that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► Authority where no one is questioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► where did you see that you just see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► in some random blog on some tumblr thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► or no I saw it in the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► right and that lends a weight to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► content because this institution has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► history of fact-checking and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► rigorous you know blah blah like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► not you don't have to prove that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► like a history behind it and it lends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► weight to the content and on the flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► side of that is you know like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► just some random person's blog or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► something like that where even before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► you can sit you you have to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► information is reliable right the tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► bit about the word verification is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► verified and verifiability is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► not I don't think it's the right word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► somewhere to encapsulate this statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► but I'm not sure verified is the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► because verified is like conclusive you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► know what I mean like is that definitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► verifiable the the concept I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► correct concept it may actually be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► right word just people taking it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► wrong way when they say verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► they're not saying verify that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► statement is true they're saying verify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► that this institution that we trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► actually said this that's my guess maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► because obviously it's not just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► the New York Times printed that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► make it true I mean no one's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► say that you're not verifying the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► of it print something says is that true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► or not well it's verified the New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Times printed it all you verified is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► that the New York Times printed it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► then by extension you've had this set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► this this culture in the set of rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► that says end of the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► printed it we're able to cite it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► therefore it is it is pet you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► can be included in his Wikipedia page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► because then wikipedia is not about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► pursuit of truth they just merely want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► to say we can show that you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► is your evidence to support this one New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► York Times said this in this person says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► that and this person's is that word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► tertiary source and that's what we do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► show you these people say that and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► people say that and these people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► that and we cite everything that we say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► we explain the topic and people say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► how do you know that why you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► citation needed where are you getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► information from readings New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► uh but verified doesn't mean that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► true and so lots of people saying how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► verification how you know if anything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► true well how do you know of anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► true with verification verification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► doesn't mean that it's true that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► the difficult thing about this truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► concept is that it all it all decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► what you consider is an appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► threshold is that without verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► verifiability now and i don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► really gets you any closer to truth as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► someone in the in the chatroom PETA has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► achievable and Wikipedia is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► use something that they can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► achieve they don't want to set a goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► they can't achieve they're never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► to get the truth because you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► is truth so they said well we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► going to set that as our goal we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► going to set our goals verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► and I think Wikipedians you know do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► problems with with with the threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► but it you know again like democracy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► like well is it the best you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► the best system we have except for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► the others um so we will talk more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► that eventually but I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► so the presume to care thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► that's that kind of rubs you the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► way especially since as many people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► pointed out to me and I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► this is true or not but I assume that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► is wikipedia has come a long way in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► reliable source or is it used to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► hostile to online things and is starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► started to come around a little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► recent years so many people said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► when you had this bad experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► with FD FF and stuff like that think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► that you know the rules are not hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► consensus among the Wikipedians has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► shifting to be more permissive rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► than less which I imagine probably is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► true but for verified a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► might be like cited you know it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► can't have a wikipedia you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► can't put information on Wikipedia it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► not cited if you say you can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► information we could be does not verify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► it makes it seem like well you can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► in stuff that's not true and verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► stuff is true I crazy for this making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► this connection you know in my head it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► makes sense to me I see where you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► with it and everyone who talks about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► wants to talk about ver it's verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► passport oh it's verified you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► not but I it's much better to say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► cited because that that is like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► cited just means you you have Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► created a record of someone else saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► that you're kind of saying there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► such thing truly as as verified you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► saying that people can go out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► say this is where I got my information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► from and where I got it from is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► legitimate source right and well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► second thing is an implication it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► explicitly stated as you can't do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► exhaust thing to keep saying that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► just saying like here's the citation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► this thing stands if the citation is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► of the valid things that I'm allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► cite in this in this forum and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► most of the listener complaints tended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► to very quickly construct a strawman of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► Wikipedia quote unquote without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► verification which of course sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► crazy right or Wikipedia without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► citations like you just write whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► the hell you want and somehow that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► it's supposed to converge on goodness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► alright so before I delve further into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► side of this thing uh just to recap what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► my main complaint is that Wikipedia is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► tertiary source and I wanted to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► the direct contribution of knowledge I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► didn't I don't like it when people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► knowledge are unable to contribute and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► that is a common in phenomenon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► people go there thinking this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► place where people with knowledge pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► it together and that's not what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► and furthermore I don't think the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► that prevent them from doing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► many many different rules which all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► which have important justifications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► don't think those are strictly necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► to have a useful successful repository [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► of shared knowledge on the net now I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► eventually I was trying so hard to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► as I usually do putting myself on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► line for having to come up with a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► thing but eventually it devolved into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► that and became as as a william points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► out a slightly incoherent rant towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► the end and i apologize for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► we'll try to do better this time so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► this concludes the portion where I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► trying to Risa memorize the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► podcast in a better manner I hope I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► done a better job well you do definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► need to listen to previous podcast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► any of us to make sense but now I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► not like to actually discuss so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► would how would this work if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► that the current rules are not ideal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► not strictly necessary that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► Wikipedia with a different set of rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► what are those rules and let's discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► them I'll start by saying I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► five-point plan or 999 plan or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► that tells you this is how your place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Wikipedia this is this awesome thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► mostly what I have and mostly my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► in the previous show was to moralists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► spread I mean that many wicked beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► wrote in to say that they appreciated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► the fact that I was spreading you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► that is spreading more information about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► what Wikipedia actually is because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► think they want people to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► what it is and they want people to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► board with this mission and not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► frustrated by the experience and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► way a sidebar on Wikipedians I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► have known like I was expecting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► sorts of angry email and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► Wikipedia world deeply and anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► anyone rants about anything that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► not deeply involved in inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► they're going to get things wrong and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► and you know just overreach and anger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► the people who know more that's a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► phenomenon I'm much safer ranting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► things that I have more knowledge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► than I expect the average listener but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► as I said if they're booked opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► listening of course they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► know way more than I do and I expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► they're all going to come in flaming but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► I should have known better because to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► a successful Wikipedian requires a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► certain unrest a detachment but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► certain surrendering of your more base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► impulses otherwise you won't be it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► won't be a successful Wikipedian if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► you know if you can't get in perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► Wikipedia I think tends to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► people who are not very honest either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► you know Dean D rules lawyers but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► who would like like to have a structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► and like to make things conform to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► structure and are not emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► invested in the content but can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► emotionally invested in the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► but I mean basically the kind of chill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► group of people is what I'm saying okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► so all the who rode in and wrote blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► posts and everything we're just so nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► and polite and very deferential and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► something said something that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► nice about like I don't know I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► think of a controversial topic off my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► head but like lots of tech topics if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► had done a similar podcast about I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► have been getting hate mail telling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► that they're going to find me and murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► me and that you know questioning my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► parentage and all sorts of horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► terrible things that people say on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► net none of that for this Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► thing so because that's just not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► type of person is not successful within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► the Wikipedia community and so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► get that email so that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► alright um so back to William Beutler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► again he says this is from reading Carl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► he referring to me he repeatedly says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► Wikipedia should be something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► area first - what's different about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► online but he never gets prescriptive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and never actually says but why the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► methods are outmoded it does say his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► Wikipedia was seek to arrive at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► truth using every tool necessary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► research but what then is the mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► for dare I say verifying it there's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► word again so you know all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► that I said that I think would be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► than Wikipedia but then what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► it's like i think the most supportable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► definition of verifying is verifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► that a reliable publication said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► but in that context is so hard not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► read it's hard not to read that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► saying what's the what is the mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► for determining whether this is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► like verifying is like what what then is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► the mechanism for determining whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► it's true or not and it's like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► not concerned about they just want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► be a bear have a verify like they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► see any other system other than the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► they have verifying equal citation equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► from a reliable source equals the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► that we're using instead of truth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► that that is the achievable goal that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► we've chosen and any other system has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► use choose that same goal and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► don't use that then how you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► like saying how can you cite something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► without citing it well it's it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► tautology or you know it's a it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► different what I'm getting at is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► different mindset for a different goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► and so if you if you take the old rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► and apply to it of course it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► to work so would would that statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► have sounded a strong if you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► something like uh finding someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► said in a publication that has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► track record of reliability finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► someone who said this right what then is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► arriving the truth using every tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► necessary and would for example our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► original research but what then is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► mechanism for finding someone who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► this in a publication that has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► track record or reliability well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► mechanism for finding someone who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► this in a publication that has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► record of reliability is citations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► course you're going to arrive at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► Wikipedia does right but when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► what then is the mechanism for verifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► it it makes it sound like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► implying that what Wikipedia does is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► only way to arrive at the truth or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► anything close to the true now what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► mentions this I think he mentions us in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► his thing and many other I'm surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► that many more people didn't mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► I expected just immediate feedback on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► this can you think of another common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► venue in life where truth is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► goal entertainment no I mean like relate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► where it's surprising the truth is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► the goal because obviously true it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► the only chamber but it's you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► same way it's might be surprising to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► somebody the truth is not the the goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► of Wikipedia another venue where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► is really not mmm tell me so I'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► you a hint a venue where truth doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► matter well only all that matters is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► what you can prove what's that uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► would probably be saying law right court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► right I mean most people are familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► entertainment from courtroom dramas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► stuff and they know the big part of law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► is not pursuing the truth it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► matter what's true in a court of law it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► and that isn't that's a venue where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► don't think people are surprised about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► television shows and movies in it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► know that people are not shocked that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► the way things are they're shocked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► first time that they see it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► then they get outraged and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► realize it's just the way it is yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► is the reason I thought courts would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► come up because it's if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► support the idea that we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► verification not truth why not cite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► another institution that has a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► policy where we don't we're not even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► know we're trying to pursue the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► but it's not our goal and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► really care what the hell is true it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► only matters what you can prove right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and now courts are instructive I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► because in courts primary sources are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► what you want you don't want hear say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► you don't want secondary sources you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► don't want tertiary sources you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► primary sources so how is it that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► pursuing truth they only care about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► you can prove which is their version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► the word verify ability but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► want secondary or tertiary sources they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► only want primary sources they want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► witnesses how does how does that work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► a court that's a question for you Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► hmm well I you need to have the direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► witness you can't have the here say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► can't have third party stuff it all has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► to be exactly I was there I saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► otherwise you can't even enter and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► does that how does that help them arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► at anything approaching the truth well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► I'd it doesn't that's where you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► with this it won't know but that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► goal is to try to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► happened this is the mechanism they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► chose and do it it's like the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► opposite mechanism what wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► chosen but their goal is both like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► know figure out what happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► case of a court or record record facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► ah you know how can that possibly work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► having a dude go up there and say yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► saw him do this and have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► I saw him do that and it like it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► like as many people said look if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► don't have if you're not reliable lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► on citations from sources that meet some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► criteria that we set as a collective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► you just have a bunch of people write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► down what they think they know how is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► not descend into chaos and one example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► is well how do you have a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► different witnesses a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► different primary sources testifying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► and you know how how does how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► help them or you're saying that totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► can't work online but it does work in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► court about what's the difference all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► well there are a couple aspects here one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► is that the is it you know in case of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► jury trial the jury gets to decide who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► is credible right that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► whole part of the trial like they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► the person saying something and a Jerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► a jury of your peers and they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► don't necessarily take what that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► says at face value they are making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► judgement in the context of that case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► who they believe right and this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► different you know in civil criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► that the civil criminal split so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► another detail the thing where the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► standard of proof is different in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► different contexts so you've got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► beyond a reasonable doubt that we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► familiar with from criminal cases on TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► and everything and then civil you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► the preponderance of the evidence and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► don't want to go more into this law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► stuff because I'm clearly not a lawyer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► if you thought your guy getting emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► before forget it if you talk about law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► forget it right well but I mean mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► pointing out is its this is a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► where it works almost entirely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► primary sources primary source is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► preferred mechanism and it has developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► a system very different system from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Wikipedia that helps it use primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► sources to arrive the truth what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► trying to point out is that being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► tertiary source is not the only way not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► the only system for trying to arrive at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► something that gets close to the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► all right so now how how would we allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► building some new thing and we say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► don't want there to be a barrier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► entry where people are are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► contribute the knowledge you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► if they're and you know and again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► so hard to talk whether it just gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► wrapped up in like a row is it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► because their primary sources they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► being kicked out well in some contexts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► primary sources are allowed well is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► because they're not notable well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► know then it's inclusions versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► elitist you know it does all get wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► up in there's many different aspects so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► this particular debate but talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► this new thing I'm trying to identify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► what would allow original research what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► would allow primary sources and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► arrive at a product that is a shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► repository of knowledge I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► use the W word because anytime soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► you mention it it's like how can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► change Wikipedia can we make a Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► like thing I'm just trying to blue sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► it here right so the first thing that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► lot of people I mean actually I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► know if a lot of people pointing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► out some people excursion around it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► assumed it was impossible as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► their argument but it immediately sprung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► to mine I think I thought I'd mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► in the past show maybe not is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► need to have some sort of identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► system the someway I mean you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► in a court of law because you go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► there people see the person the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► testifies to be you know some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► it's it's a lot different than online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► where it's just completely anonymous you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► participants now one way one type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► identity is real identity so for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► if you want to provide first-hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► knowledge of something you may have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► identify yourself with your actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► identity your actual name who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► actually are in some way that we decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► is acceptable so Twitter tries to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► this too they've got those verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► unfortunately where they say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► this is really Brad Pitt like we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► totally verified this is Brad Pitt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► Twitter I think is also shown how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► it is to do that because I think they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► had accounts that had been quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► verified and then later they find out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► was totally not the celebrity we said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► was it was somebody who tricked us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► this is hard to do and and can be gamed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► but I think you know it's it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► so for example especially for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► like celebrities it's pretty easy for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► celebrity to conclusively verify that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► they are who they say they are assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► the security of the system and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► password is not hacked in yadda yadda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► all the things that we deal with in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► every other system that has any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► verification online a celebrity can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► put a statement on their website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► they control upload a video of themself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► that you know I mean we haven't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► reached a point where it's trivially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► easy for people to fake a video of Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► Pitt saying a bunch of stuff that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► requires you know a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► effort than those people willing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► through with it I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► solvable problem and I think identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► online is something we've always dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► with right so that's real identity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► for example if you wanted to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► first-hand knowledge of you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► information about yourself or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► it having doing so using your real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► identity that was validated according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► continues to evolve and gets worked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► it's one way to do that that's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► not allowed in Wikipedia according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► their rules because they would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► have you talk to a reliable publication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► quote-unquote fact check that or be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► reliable based on past evidence or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► be something that their grandparents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► read I keep getting into that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► but I have trouble letting go the notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► publication does have an in can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► reliability but just has more to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► like past events and past events are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► necessarily indicative of future events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► so anyway there's a second kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► identity in my notes here but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► kind of a bad thing what if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► allow people to contribute but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► don't need to identifies who they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► actually are how can that possibly work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► you know the people on the witness stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► have to be who they say they are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► there's the concept of perjury where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► you lie you're held accountable for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► but if you're not actually identifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► yourself as your real self how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► ever be held accountable for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► now there's no such thing as perjury if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► you're allowed to go on the witness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► stand with the mask and despise your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► voice you know is that when they say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► you've perjured yourself you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► jail well who's going to jail come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► find me you don't even know who I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► right so the concept of perjury can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► exist without real identity but online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► real identity is a non-starter you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► require that everybody look like Google+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► trying to do it it's just it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► to happen so how can you have a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► quote/unquote fake identities or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► you know people merely say well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► anonymous well is it in between where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► you know pseudonyms or fake identities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► and the the model that I point to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► that actually working is Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► Stack Overflow is entirely made up of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► people directly contributing under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► identities don't necessarily have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► connection to any particular person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► are not necessarily trackable back to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► individual person they are manufactured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► entities you could have you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► know have alts for yourself you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► can have ten accounts on Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► and play them all at the same time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► got the gamification thing going there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► as well but they've developed a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► for you know direct contribution of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► knowledge using an identity system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► isn't tied to real identities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► they've you know come up with a model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► that works for their particular format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► QA of mostly factual information but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► it's not just like what method do I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► to do this like where you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► where it's there's one answer and only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► one answered this subjective stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► Stack Overflow as well and they struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► with this too but it is the concept of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► having a really good answer and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► looking at how you've answered a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► particular question and rating you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► highly because it in gaining reputation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► and again I don't think this is directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► applicable to something like Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► but I think it's a real live example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► showing where direct contribution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► without real identity can actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► feasible and before Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► existed and before like core existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► which is another side that I'm less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► familiar with many people pointed out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► me before those things existed if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► had said I'm going to make a site where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► where people ask questions and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► so them people would have said well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► just kind of like Yahoo Answers have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► seen that it's a piece of crap people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► don't know what they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► the people who answer the questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► don't know anymore than the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► are asking them and all you're making is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► a repository of misleading or erroneous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► information they just didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► right system and the right systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► produced much more useable things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► Gaurav Lowe is is a pillar of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► of DN a but if you had said before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► you know is this possible and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► point to Yahoo Answers saying or experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► exchanging you know it's clearly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► possible right so and I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► citations that the final things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► citations are still would still be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► very important part of this and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► if you look for example in a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► answer to a stack over a question asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► about you know what's the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► you know do such-and-such in my new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► business or you know what are the ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► different ways to repair a bicycle tire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► and there are pros and cons and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► many of the best Stack Overflow answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► or core answers for that matter which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► are directly contributed by individuals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► with their fake or real identities are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► the fact of the use citations that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► will not so much citations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► Wikipedia style but they will link they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► will link you know they will make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► statement and link key words in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► statement back to the place from whence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► that knowledge came in typical just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► know good read web writing fashion right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► so citations would still definitely be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► part of this because you where are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► getting some are you making this up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► whole cloth what do you have to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► in any online interaction even in forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► we see people arguing about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► who's the better Pokemon character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► everything they write is citing someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► else saying a similar thing or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► and they're not doing it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► want to be like Wikipedia is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► way the way people interact online is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► that they expected if you're having any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► sort of argument you're not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► doing it all from whole cloth so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► combination of you know your reputation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► within the system as a contributor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► your citations and stuff like that uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► then you have cases like when would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► what Trump's one right so people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► well what if Brad Pitt comes on the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► and says that his birthday is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► birthday is a bad straw man I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► better but what if Brad Pitt says that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► he totally never cheated on whoever was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► that he don't keep track of celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► but he says he doesn't didn't she than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► this person but I can cite an article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► people that says he did I can cite at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► the New York Times it says he's reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► to have cheated on and I you know you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► is who wins in that case and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► the other thing it's like well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► in Wikipedia you saying something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► yourself on an issue that you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► stake in like you don't want to be seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► as someone who cheats well we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► to strike that because we're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► you clearly have a bias here you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► simply claim that you didn't uh cheat on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4165">TS</a>]
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01:15:40 ◼ ► computer probably would allowed it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► verify what are you verifying about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► it's like well it gets back to identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► are you verifying their identity in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► purposes verification system and without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► contributing because how the hell do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► know that's Brad Pitt right uh you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► have I was proposing a model where Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► Pitt does not have to talk to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► publication and do an interview that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► reliable publication and then cite that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► directly and that what he's contributing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► is clearly you know his words right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► thing that other people are pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► in in the chat room is that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► we're talking about how a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► sent me emails saying well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► primary sources are allowed under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► certain conditions and actually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► notabilities on text rictus you say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► pointing to all these you know WP : some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► other alphabet soup of words the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► one I saw I think was on Twitter was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► from hands Hauer Haan NES depends I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► yes and I put in the shownotes uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► URL is Wikipedia : ignore all rules and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► the entire text of the Wikipedia page is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► if a rule prevents you from improving or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► this is an official Wikipedia page huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► I'm assuming that was put there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► someone to make them feel better or make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► other people feel better and I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► spirit of it that it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► supposed to be we that in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► Wikipedia doesn't like excessive rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► lawyering because it leads to silliness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► guidelines Wikipedia cetera sherry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► Soares doesn't mean primary sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► can't contribute but there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► system it just means it's complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► those rules are applying to it but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► particular things if a rule prevents you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► from improving or maintaining Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► ignore it all that does is shift the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► burden to now let's argue about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► improving means but it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► solve the problem at all it does Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► a spirit of that does express the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► that you shouldn't be so strictly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► know interpreting every single rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► right but I don't think it solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► anything and that's all the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► the tech room are saying primary sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► are loud you just just restrictions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► it and these rules are not as hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► that's probably all true but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► the rules formed served the shape of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► I have other random tidbits didn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► into the structure I wanted to give for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► somebody did an entire podcast about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► self-improvement podcast this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► self-improvement broadcast well I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► have read this down but it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► like when smart people say stupid things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► or some other motto of like they'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► the thrust of this podcast was he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► going to find people who he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► otherwise are worth listening to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► here's some stupid stuff that they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► which i think is commendable it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► of like the fight notre-dame concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► from a few shows back where you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► just looking for the idiot who says a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► bunch of stupid things because idiots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► say stupid things all the time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► looking for these smart people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► interesting in that case that does hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► for these people so I'm glad that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► thinks this hope for me in his podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► one it's pretty short too unlike these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► podcasts one thing that he talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► was he got into the what is truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► business again and he was saying I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► believe he's suggesting that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► allowed be allowed to connect link Kirby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► doesn't he understand that people lie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► and they they you know they're they four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► things they know to be untrue and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► furthermore too even when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► telling the truth there are many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► that have been quote-unquote known that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► turned out to be wrong so he pointed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► the Wikipedia page list of common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► misconceptions and he listed a few of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► them like earth being the center of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► universe or whatever you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► people have known all sorts of things it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► turned out to be wrong so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► basically you can't trust people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► they're not reliable you can't have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► directly contributing I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► that's a great example because had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► Wikipedia existed at the time it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► be trivially easy to find lots of quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► unquote reliable quote unquote verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► citations that the earth is the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► of the universe so those facts would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► have stood they would have stood with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► bullet I mean it would've been no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► problem writing the Wikipedia page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► saying the earth is the center of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► universe citation citation citation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► citation citation what's your liable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► citation old Catholic Church duh I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► they run the entire society that we live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► in you know they're right you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► you know you're gonna you think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► a less more reliable institution than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► the church on this issue you must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► joking that's the most reliable psych [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► there could possibly be so I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► think he went off of the rails a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► bit in trying to explain why he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► contribution because the examples he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► gave were I could actually counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► misconceptions would just be sighted out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► completely within the rules of existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► Wikipedia citation rules and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► think supports my argument because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► like it's the the appeal to Authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► thing well what what makes what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► make the Catholic Church reliable well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► you know just you know it just is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► like the New York Times all it just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► because history and they you know and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► hindsight being say oh the Catholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► Church didn't know what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► talking about or any Church or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► like they know what they were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► about on those issues they should not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► perhaps in hindsight we will see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► the New York Times should not have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► cited as a reliable source you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► three centuries from now because little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► did we know that there was you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► it's hard to tell from where you are is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► what I'm saying to decide what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► reliable source we do we just do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► best we can so maybe that's a neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► because it's not yeah I I don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► fact that that is the house on which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► Wikipedia is built but I do recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► that you have to use something when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► you're doing citations to to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► what's worth citing and what's not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► just want to point out that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► sometimes be wrong about that and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► fact I would for historical purposes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► would much better value direct accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► even not that I would take that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► like when you're reading about direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► accounts in a history book you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► believing everywhere that the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► says what you're believing is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► person said that and the only the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► responsibility the publication has is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► do their best to verify that the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► they're talking to really is Abraham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► Lincoln and he really did say this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► this particular date and either he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► recorded it himself or it was recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► by someone else and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► secondary source so they don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► be a tertiary source you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► wait for the paper to print what Abraham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► encyclopedia write about whatever Hamlet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► singing lead Abraham Lincoln can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► contributed directly as long as we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4918">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► verified that it really is a ahem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Lincoln or someone who saw Abraham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► Lincoln can write it directly and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► know enough people can contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► that to say the all these people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► they saw era Hamlin can say this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► know I mean versus trying to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► I'm just waiting for someone to chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► room to tell me the secondary sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► are perfectly valid in Wikipedia and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► all depends on context yes everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► depends on context so I had someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► I searched this email before the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► started I couldn't find the name I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► just call him the Moonrock guy so I gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► this silly example and sort of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► height of my dementia or the the fever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► of my rant about if one of the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► remaining people who actually landed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► the moon contributed directly to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► Wikipedia page to comment that like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► turned over a rock on the moon and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► underside it was green which by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► silly I really don't think there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► green rocks right making a silly example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► and you know that the Page said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► everything was blue but he picked it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► and he said it was green that he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► be allowed to contribute that directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► ah and here's some feedback on this use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► this issue from a different email this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► is not the moon rock guys just a moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► rock guy the fact that true is that true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► information even from a primary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► is useless without verifiability what am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► I going to say there it is your moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► rock guy might be colorblind you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► be he might you might be motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► lie about your birthday to verify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► ability is key to any venture that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► attempts to collect information if only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► information itself should be suspect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► is likely to be of little interest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► others what are the chances for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► that your moon rock guy wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► done a press interview about what he saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► secondary source to provide some lend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► some credence to it it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► if only one person knows the truth it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► probably not of any interest well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► this only one person knows the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► because he's the only guy left alive who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► interest because that's you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► first-hand knowledge and what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► chances he didn't say interview maybe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► didn't maybe he wants to contribute a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► drug but this is what I'm getting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► about how online is different in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► ways I think online is different in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► intermediaries not that they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► excluded and that citation should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► gone but that we can live in a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► where people can directly contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► shared knowledge I don't know understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► different than before before the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► way to let the world know what being on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► the moon was liked was get to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► time into time magazine interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► because you can't talk to the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► world but you can talk to Time magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► and they can talk to the world it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► disintermediation if you are on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► and you can contribute your first-hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► knowledge to this repository that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► everybody can see you can cut out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► middleman it doesn't mean what you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► is 100% true that you can't lie your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► be a record of you saying these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► you don't need someone in between to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► verify that you are who you say you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► if the thing you're contributing to has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► an identity system that we developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► that has a verification system that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► believe is adequate the same way a court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► of law doesn't for people testified in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► courts of law lying about who they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► and gotten away with it it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► we make it difficult no system is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► foolproof but this is what I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► about how about how online is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► right one person the actual Moonrock guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► who couldn't fuck who I couldn't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► even said that uh the idea that the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► who's on the moon should be allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► contribute that information is in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► an appeal to Authority fallacy but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► said oh you're just saying because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► so SuperDuper important you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► believe what he says because he was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► know he's the moon landing god therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► he should be that's appeal to authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► you're saying oh he's unassailable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► because he's an authority no it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► appeal to Authority fail to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► Authority fallacy is because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► right from the Wikipedia page I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► citing Wikipedia in podcast where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► complained about you know most of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► the Authority has to say about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► the Authority says this therefore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► is correct the reason we give weight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► the first hand moon rock guide knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► is not because he's an authority but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► because the fact that he's him put him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► in a position to know it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► everything he says is right because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► appeal to Authority would be he landed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► on the moon therefore I believe what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► has to say about knitting man has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► nothing to do with knitting you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► was actually there it's not an appeal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► Authority fallacy to say that the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► with first-hand knowledge is in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► superior position to be to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► information that's relevant to landing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► on the moon it's not because he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► important person who landed on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► um what else do we have now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► that's probably the end of the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► poor Morgan Harrison I listen I listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► to his podcast which was entertaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and fun and I like the fact that he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► an accent pizzelle like listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► people with with accents and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► place where it was but his Twitter page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► says that he's from Australia he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► sound Australian to me and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► started just questioning everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► about my ability to identify accents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► like do you think you could identify an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► Australian accent if you heard it if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► just heard it and without any framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► and somebody say you know I'm probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► then they somebody would have a south [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► african accent just to try and throw me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► off and if you would ask me that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► i would say of course i can identify an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► australian who doesn't know in australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► is very distinctive from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► british accent sure but then I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► Morgan Harris talking and I for the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► of me could not I did not think he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► Australian and he says he might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► some Welsh in there and is an American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► from listening to podcast so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► know so I'm questioning my ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► identify accents at all but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► listened to his podcast and it was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► and at the end of it he did a I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► the only subject of it he did some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► guy who had another podcast and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► a whole bunch of things that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► true about MPEG and he went off on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► guy and then at one point he went off on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► that guy because he was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► how there's digital content on laser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► discs and he said no no no laser just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► her analog and I had to be my hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► critical self and send him a correction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► that a digital audio could be actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► on a laserdisc and he said he knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► but just didn't want to get bogged down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► in the details so it's a never-ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► cycle of criticism here but I do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► give him props for putting in the effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► to make it podcast response you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► that is that is that the proper way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► way that you would like for everybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► respond to us I think a blog post like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► that long the long blog post that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► William did is better because I can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► that much faster than I can listen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► podcast and uh but you know if everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► does it then it becomes too much but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► one guy does every once in a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► think it's nice you're that's acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► to you yeah so there's probably more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► could do okay pedia but I think I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► hip highlights here isn't any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► parts of you think I missed or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► questions I don't think that anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► now that believe me there is I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► objection for people whose objection I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► didn't get to assume that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► correct that'll make you feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► yeah that was not there on being at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► their whole day yeah I think we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► end here how about that about eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► eight eighty eight minutes it's tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► condensed version it's like the instant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► coffee version of this show I apologize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► for all the people who wanted me to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► about ZFS and file systems that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► on the list for next show wait how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► did you say you were gonna talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► that last time you did didn't you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► think I did and a lot and there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► ZFS related product announcement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► Mac this week so a lot of people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► asking me how you're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► this on the show it's it's on a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► let's say that but if you want if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► want to keep it tight you know we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► to I love I love the part on building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► analyzer at the end of the episode we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► running out of time they said but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► well maybe I can talk about Wikipedia it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► was like a bad flashback for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► please no don't talk about Wikipedia you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► won't fit it in 15 minutes yeah you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► right I'm done I'm going lay down now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► all right no that's your thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► you're asking all your hosts if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► need to lay down well you sound you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► sounded you seem yes you seem a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► exhausted you seem a little upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► sometimes a nice you know a little nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► or something well I don't nap but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► seems like everybody else does yeah no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► don't know either I just feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► is such a big topic here's what I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► like all the people who wrote me I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► we could have a constructive discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► about their things and maybe I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► disagree with some of it and agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► some of it or whatever but the after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► certain volume addressing all that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► the podcast is just not feasible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► it's just not interesting for enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► people so I was trying to summarize in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► vague sort of way and that's why I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► if you feel like you still have like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► master point that disproves everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► that I was saying you may in fact be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► right but I you know I don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► to go through them all it was just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► much and this is not an invitation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► come to my home and discuss it with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► but if we ever happen to meet someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and trapped in an elevator and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► you know I wrote a letter to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► Wikipedia and you didn't talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► on the air at that point we can discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► instructive discussion for sure all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► right I'll have a very good week John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► and everybody who's listening have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► very good week we'll be back same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► next week right people don't we need I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► need two people to get on me you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► tune in live every time in the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► usually when we're just getting started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► people will will say this is my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► time tuning in live I didn't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► could do this I didn't know there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► chair what's he always talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► chat room what's always talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► show notes oh let me explain all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► and this is a way that you as a listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► if you want can be an active participant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► in the show as you can hear the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► the chatroom we're responding to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► comments in there you can be a part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► the show if you want we'd love for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► to be you go to five by five dot TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5473">TS</a>]
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01:31:17 ◼ ► little link up there that says live you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► click that you can listen live you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► you can stream and you can hear it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5482">TS</a>]
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01:31:32 ◼ ► we're in there you can listen live that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5492">TS</a>]
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01:31:37 ◼ ► dot FM and I'll stream it live to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► while you're on the go all of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► is there we've got more things coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► let you listen live but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► starting point the show notes go to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► by five dot TV slash hypercritical slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► 53 and you can see all of these links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► that John painstakingly found and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► organized and put up there and we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► to say thanks to help spot comm there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► they make it possible for us to uh to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► keep that going and so that's it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5519">TS</a>]
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01:32:17 ◼ ► can talk right to John and tell him he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► wrong you don't have to shout at your at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► your iPod you just go in and talk in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5541">TS</a>]
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01:32:27 ◼ ► the satisfaction of correcting me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► real time that's great but can attest if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5548">TS</a>]
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01:32:32 ◼ ► John and show up in the chatroom show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► them out by correcting me in real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► you were improving the podcast right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► you're being helpful don't think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► not being helpful you are so go for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► go for it and follow John on Twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► syracusa and I'm Dan benjamin on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5565">TS</a>]
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01:32:52 ◼ ► tune in and also you know if you enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► the show give us give us a positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5575">TS</a>]
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01:33:00 ◼ ► thing you could you could do to help new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► people find it what else done anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► else adds a long list long laundry list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► there things to gold thank you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl3z0es/5585">TS</a>]