00:00:02 ◼ ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► about at least not by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► january 27th 2012 it's Friday this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► episode number 52 we would like to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/21">TS</a>]
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00:00:35 ◼ ► Mac and iOS will tell you more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/35">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► those as the program continues we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► want to say thanks very much to vid me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► episode vid me up is a free service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/43">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► allows you to create your own video cite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► your videos your branding vid me up comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/46">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► hello Jon siracusa of Massachusetts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► hello Daniel Benjamin of many places in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/57">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► Northeast it's complicated I get it how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► to address you can we put this uh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► optical illusion in the shownotes no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► think it's not relevant ok now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► want to know what it is so if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/75">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► to know what it is maybe we'll discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► it in the after dark ok I will put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► the show notes and we will not discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► some quick follow-up from video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► controllers several shows ago still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► getting links about that these this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► from I Anna skeller I hope I did a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► job with that he gave a couple of neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► links that I thought were worth sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► out to the listeners but I didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► to put them in the show notes for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► show because the show is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► about video game controllers so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► safe um so what I did was I put them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► the show notes to the first episode we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► did it by video game controllers which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/114">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► was episode 49 pinching the harmonica I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/115">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► put them as bonus links at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► bottom of the show notes so to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► them you can go to the show notes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► this episode and the very first one will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► be a link to episode 49 and then go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► the bottom get those and he it's work of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► other people on the web he found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► poster showing evolution of video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► at pop chart labs calm you can buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► but does also need to just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► periodical table layout with and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► shows the buttons which is kind of neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/143">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► instead of showing the controllers just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/144">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► shows the button Arrangements on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► and there's an actual blog on tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/147">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► called a bunch of stuff about game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► controllers and the title is accurate so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/151">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► there's three links check them out we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► not talking about video controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/159">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► today today we have a whole mess of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► follow up from the last episode where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► discussed the iBooks Author announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/166">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► and I really hope I can get through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► in time to not have a very long show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► today okay so the impression I get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► feedback is that people thought I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► more pessimistic about this iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/183">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► Author thing than I have been about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► other recent Apple topics and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► that's probably true I'd probably have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► background in history and the holy books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► thing that has me coming at this issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► from a different angle than most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► uh you were you learn ebooks guy for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► while yeah just a little while but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► know I do have that history and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► probably influences how I see things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► and the same thing with people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/213">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► actually in the education market they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/215">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► see things differently than I do coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► from there from their perspective I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► think mostly I was I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► mostly come at it from the perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► of an apple watcher and seeing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/224">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► the way Apple conducts its business and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► strategies that have worked in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► for Apple and other companies so while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► was discussing the stuff in last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► people were writing things for various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/239">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► publications I put some shown put some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► links in the show notes to a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► people that agreed with me one was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► serenity Caldwell at Macworld she wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► an article called holding out for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► epub hero where she laments all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► things that a book's author is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/253">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► that's really neither here nor there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► about whether iBooks Author is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► idea for Apple to do but it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► distillation of the sentiment that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/263">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► discussing last time that people wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► different iBooks Author is very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/268">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► not that thing that people wanted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► you know generic epub editing tool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► so those people are still waiting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► it's another one like I'll get to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► little bit later also on Mac world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► certainly also did a wish list for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► before the announcement was made for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/286">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► announced did not satisfy that wish list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► so the main one of the main topics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/294">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► objection that people brought up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► emails was why do I keep talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► the format or why is everyone talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► about the format who cares who cares but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► the file format that's missing for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► forest for the trees that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/308">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► thing that's important to be looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► I think the reason everyone's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► about format is because I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/315">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► we discussed this last show that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► e-book market is and has always been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► desperate need of some unifying format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► arguing over who you know what format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► the the data is in and who controls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/333">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► format and and who you know trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► control an industry by controlling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► file format is generally viewed as not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► good thing so we didn't like it when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► was like blu-ray vs. HD DVD and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/344">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► matter who won you know from consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► perspectives like look good that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/349">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► know I don't their advantages to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► side of the other and they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/352">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► proprietary formats owned by different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► consumers perspective you don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/356">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► to deal with like imagine if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► both one and imagine a physical media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► we'd be struggling through this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► where there's ten different formats for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/363">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► movies and you have to have players to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/364">TS</a>]
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00:06:09 ◼ ► formats for digital content is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► everybody and consumers hate it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► that's not the case and the industry in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► general suffers for it although it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► just the constant trend of like why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► companies are is like ah we can get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/383">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► format to become the de-facto format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► then we control the format and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► have this incredible lever to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/388">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the industry you know what I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► think everyone agrees that's a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► all right no one is out there saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► need to have as many competing formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► completely incompatible that way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► competition and you know that that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► the marketplace is healthy no we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/404">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► you know we want we don't want to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► with that we just want to hear music we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► just want to watch movies and Annie in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► e-books we just want to read the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► we don't really care about the farmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► industry are like well this format has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/415">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► advantages over that format and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/416">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► format is controlled by a single vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► and this is controlled by a consortium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/419">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► all that other business in in general I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► think we also all agree that all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/423">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► controlled by a single party or small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► unfortunately all other things usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► aren't equal it's very often the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► technical advantages that the open ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► don't so I found one specific objection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/440">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► objected to my position that in cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► where there is an existing proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► format from the market leader that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/459">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► strategy is for everybody else but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► market leader to rally behind an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► standard because of each of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► who are not the market leader tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► promote their own proprietary standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/471">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► that none of them will have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/473">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► critical mass or weight or influence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► overcome the market leader even if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/477">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► format is better and I think example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► gave was when a Internet Explorer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► the dominant browser and it had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► these ie only extensions everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► didn't try to field their own specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► Apple and Netscape extensions you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► or whatever they said well it's rally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► behind web standards and together all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► us vs. AE with vs. AE versus IE maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► can you know win that and slowly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► has taken place over ours it also helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► that my constant update is browser for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► problems with with this argument first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► problem is that I only gave that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/511">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► example that just you know ie versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► standard space web things he said I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► provide plenty of examples where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► the same strategy was tried and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► wasn't successful and the exact some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► examples he gives her Microsoft Office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► vs. OpenOffice iTunes Music Store vs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► OGG Vorbis or anything else Adobe PDF is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► versus GIMP and this exchange versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► open stuff h.264 vs. WebM goes onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/536">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► other examples I don't think they're as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/543">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► strong as his opening lens and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/544">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► gives iOS versus Android apps makes his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► example started stronger Imus off as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► result in office a better example so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► response to this is to say you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► he listed some examples and I think by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► the time you get to his last one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/560">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► iOS apps versus Android it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and her it is more open than iOS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► really they're both controlled by single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/565">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► parties it's not like you know an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/566">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► industry rallying behind Android to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► fight iOS it kind of is in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► carrier's wanting something customized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/573">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and stuff but like you know truthfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► Google controls Andrew no one else has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► the the capability of forking Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/579">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► and developing it at the same pace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► Google does because they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► enough engineers and they're not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► responses there are many many many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► examples than the ones he gave of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► challenged by other proprietary formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and the other ones were not able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► unseat it that's the common case is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► you know to some proprietary form it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► going to win and everyone's got their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► you know WordPerfect files or right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► files or nicest writer files none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► them could unseat doc docx which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► also proprietary you know they all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► other competitors to Microsoft Word in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► the olden days when there were more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► right when there was more than one word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/615">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► processor out there none of them could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► unseat ms-office and they all have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/618">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► own proprietary file formats the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► chance you can have is if everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► rallies behind an open format OpenOffice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Microsoft Office mostly because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► office suites are not that interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► and Microsoft's office is good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► and is the standard so there's not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/638">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► of excitement around OpenOffice but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► file you know the the pressure to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► open his for Microsoft to try to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/645">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► more open file formal with the docx [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/647">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► business and we have things like PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► that are not still controlled by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► single company but are also kind of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► standards that anyone can implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/654">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► unlike dot docx which she you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► anyone not anyone can implement even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► though there's supposedly a kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► spec it's like you know you can't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► that file format is still controlled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► Microsoft and although Apple can try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► documents that can't read them all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/668">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► can't read them all well some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► examples of where you know I just gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► the one example of open versus closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/675">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► some more examples are like a tcp/ip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/676">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► versus like Apple talk or NetBIOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► whatever or the internet versus AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/681">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► aware a well as people don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► this pea was massively dominant but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► all kind of knew that it's you know AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► the biggest internet provider in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► entire United States versus everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► else was behind the internet so alo is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► one big rich company with lots of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and everyone else rallied behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► internet as opposed to everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/700">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► rallying behind geni or a world or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► knocking names on other ones like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► those other proprietary things now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► proprietary leader is to get everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► behind something that's not controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► but by one party so in the chatroom was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► saying what Al was dominant yes yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/716">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► was dominant it used to be that event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► you know a few nerds had internet access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/722">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► and then if anybody else you knew who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► wasn't intending to access that away Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/726">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► al those were dark days indeed but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► it happened and tcp/ip was nothing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► proprietary standards not as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► Novell NetWare it's not as good as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► talk for this particular reason it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► know it doesn't matter the open standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► eventually unseeded whatever was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/741">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► dominant proprietary standard sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/743">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► there wasn't a single dominant pariah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Terry standard so it's easier for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/747">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► open one to sweep through but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► in cases like AOL where it really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► one big dog in the world of Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► service provider the internet just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► know everyone else beyond the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► came and took it away and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► mistake frank says I made this to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► lumpa textbooks in with general books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► it's and I will get to that in a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► pointer I think he's more right on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► than he was in the first point so Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► had some more articles when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/771">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► arguing back and forth with various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/772">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► people on the web about the file format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► and the issues involved in it and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/778">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► the conclusions of one of Gruber's posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► were is responding to I wish I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/787">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► respond to I should have this link open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► this is quoting from Gruber II says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► apples not in this game to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► cross platform burdens of the publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/794">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► industry if the publishing industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► wants to reduce the number of formats it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/797">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► supports and the hassles of converting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► bitch would be to go exclusively to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► iBookstore remember that post I have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► on the show again so this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► that was brought up another podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/810">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► listened to that I think is true a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/811">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► of people confuse someone explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► Apple's position to someone supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► Apple's position and it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► if you can if you can explain something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► from the perspective of app well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► like well you would never written that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► if you didn't agree with it even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► not even if you're clearly saying Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► is doing this because not I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► is right to do this because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/833">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► what I mean yeah and for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► follow Apple and understand Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► frustrating to us that other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► don't understand apples well we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► explain though so this is why Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/843">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► doing this as soon as you write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► they go oh you know everything you wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► explaining to you what what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► disagreement or agreement but the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/854">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► the explanation of the strategy doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► really imply one of the one or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► and reading that reminded me of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► article I wrote back in April for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► stack they're called apples wager and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► was about it there was a me explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► what I think Apple is doing and then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► the end I did offer my pain and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► what you know this strategy has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/876">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► potential downsides and this was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► getting developers to develop for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► and you know that I was stuff app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► or locking developers into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► applying all these rules of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► and here's a quote from that article is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► anything that has a chance of slowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► down the progress of the platform simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► has to go and the best way Apple knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/901">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► to ensure that the platform progresses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► is by controlling its own destiny in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/904">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► every way that it's can that it can this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► is a general statement about Apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► specifically talking about then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► why does Apple exert such control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► its development platform they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► though it pisses off developers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► developer tater why would they do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► it's because Apple wants to advance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► stay ahead and it wants to be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/925">TS</a>]
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00:15:29 ◼ ► ahead of its competitors and it wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/929">TS</a>]
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00:15:58 ◼ ► even if along the way you're pissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► people off because that's just that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► just the cost of progress and it's a bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/962">TS</a>]
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00:16:05 ◼ ► off like crazy but we're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► because we think we really need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► control and that's the way we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/969">TS</a>]
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00:16:30 ◼ ► own destiny in every way that it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/990">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► well it's doing the same thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► e-book market it's got it wants to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/993">TS</a>]
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00:16:39 ◼ ► and the public change do you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/999">TS</a>]
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00:16:42 ◼ ► everything on the iBook store it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1002">TS</a>]
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00:16:54 ◼ ► separate native application for iOS if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1014">TS</a>]
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00:17:03 ◼ ► iOS in that conclusion the grouper head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► would be exactly the same thing it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1025">TS</a>]
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00:17:10 ◼ ► if you just want to support one we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► to make it so ours is the only one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► have to support if you don't like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► know well that's your promise not our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► problem where we are advancing our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► platform we have demands this is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► things have to be and I think I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► about that in the last show I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► think I think their position is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► stronger in iOS than it isn't in the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► e-book business and I mean like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► they're much more able to say you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► want to make one mobile app that web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1060">TS</a>]
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00:17:48 ◼ ► than Android customers because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1068">TS</a>]
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00:17:53 ◼ ► money this is even if it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► be the only platform you support it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► should be the first for these very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► concrete reasons whereas in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► ebooks that's not you can't make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► pitch as well you can say hey you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► only distribute your ebook for the iBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► store because we sell the most books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► while they don't well because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► make the most money something through us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► I don't think they do because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1090">TS</a>]
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00:19:39 ◼ ► the title I immediately think it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1179">TS</a>]
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00:20:06 ◼ ► blog post he wrote called high schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► are step one of two and he's what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► thinks of Apple strategy is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► understand the the entrenched power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► infrastructure surrounding university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► bookstores and selling books to colleges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► like there are people there who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► making a lot of money who really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► want someone else coming in and taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► any of that money and there's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► lower barrier to entry in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► entrenched commercial interest anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► regulation for getting it to high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► schools because high schools you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► the very least high schools are always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► universities public high schools we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► talking about here and so they can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1245">TS</a>]
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00:20:54 ◼ ► make it your school look better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► it'll be a high-tech and wizzy and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► save you money on textbooks and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► that's a good pitch and the argument in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1260">TS</a>]
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00:21:07 ◼ ► they're young you get them used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► idea that oh I was in high school we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► all our textbooks on the iPad and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► were cool and Howell's neat stuff in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► and I'm used to it and then I go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► bookstore and pay 500 bucks at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1277">TS</a>]
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00:21:23 ◼ ► that are all written in and beat up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► mean that that would be a big drop-off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1284">TS</a>]
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00:21:36 ◼ ► school and maybe if you're lucky you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► newish textbooks but usually they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1298">TS</a>]
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00:21:40 ◼ ► it and stuff and you're given them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► beginning of the year and you got to lug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► them around to put them in your locker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► and then you give them back at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► of the year and then you go to college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1305">TS</a>]
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00:22:10 ◼ ► universities and saying well I give this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► one a demerit because they use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► understand and they don't know or care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► who makes the money off university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► textbooks all they know is that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► cooler in high school and so colleges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► will figure out well if we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► attract more incoming freshmen we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► think about giving them what they expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► curriculum and we don't want to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► worse than what they did high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► this is kind of this reminded me kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► a B I don't know if it was a conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► strategy but an effective strategy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► making c-level executives want to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► iPhones even if they weren't allowed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► the business because the IT people had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► it all locked down to blackberry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► stuff like that yeah but the execs will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► buy iPhones and say I don't care I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► your boss let this fall in the network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► letting it work they can figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► yeah and it's like a backdoor in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► they didn't want it one way to come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► it would be like to go to the IT people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► and say I know you love blackberry but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► what can we do to help you consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► deploying iPhones and so well it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► physical keyboard and gotta do this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► got to be that man you know they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► address those needs with not a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► keyboard but like the remote wipe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► the exchange support like they did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► but the other strategy probably work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► just as well if not better I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► making a phone that everybody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► especially you know people with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► money wouldn't you know launch at six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► hundred bucks or whatever it's a fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► luxury item and once those guys get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► it kind of trickles down well this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► kind of like a trickle up get them get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► them all they're young and this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► universities just like giving the execs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► was the back door getting into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► enterprise with the iPhone and speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► of strategy a couple people brought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► up and I had it in my oats for last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► and somehow missed it probably because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► it was just a single line item and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► have too many damn notes I wrote an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► article last year called the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► strategy tax and this was a sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► specific case of the general idea of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► strategy tax which I first read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► the idea is that a strategy tax is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► a company that does lots of things can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► do one thing that it's doing as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► it could possibly do it because doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► that one thing really well would hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► some other part of its business I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► one of the examples again it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► when Internet Explorer was getting rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► text editing capabilities like all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► have you have a text box in a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► but we don't want to make the text box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► too powerful because then it's they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► so afraid that the web would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► replace Microsoft Word you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► like a Google Docs I think so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► strategy text there was you'd said telly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► I 18 don't don't spend too much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► capabilities of ie super awesome I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you can make them good but don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► them too good this I don't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► actually happened this is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► example of like what what would examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► like a conflict of interest across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► fighting with one hand tied behind your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► back with you so afraid of hurting some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► other part of your business and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► conceit you could you could look at if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► you look at a certain way is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► victim of strategy tax because if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► iBooks Author team it really depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► what their goal was like this gets into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► semantics but if you were to assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► the iBooks Author team their goal was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► make an awesome electronic publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► editing application and Apple didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► sell books and Apple didn't have any you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► know sort of a vested interest in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► like say they were an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► company you would think that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► make an application they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► would be more of a recognition of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► market as it exists you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► Amazon Kindle is the the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► platform they have prior Terry format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► and you can kind of target that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► there's epub which is the open standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► right instead iBooks Author is 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► focused on Apple Store making stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► can only be sold an Apple Store an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► special format and it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► the application that would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► strategy tax is that don't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► that strengthens our competitors because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► we have a book store and if you make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► application it makes it really easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► put things in the Kindle book store that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► doesn't help us like you're hurting us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► there don't we we have a vested interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► we have we have our own store and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► can't just make a generic application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► now like I said that's kind of cement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► because you can say well maybe the teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► that wasn't the team's goal the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► goal was not to make a generic you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► as Gruber saying the team's goal was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► admit to make a really great application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► to make it easier to target our store so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► maybe in fact the entire purpose of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► iBooks Author application was as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► adjunct to the iBook store strategy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► not an independent application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► the oh I filled as a strategy tax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► because there's something preventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► Apple from making an application that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► lot of people would want and that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► is a vested interest in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► a vested interest in something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► yeah like because it if they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► saying people you know a electronic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► editing application people want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► let's make it they said no no no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► think goal in mind yeah we have a store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► we have to support our store you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► we're not out to solve the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► problem the customer customers going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► say their problem is it's such a pain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► electronically publish stuff oh we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► you know Apple says well that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► problem we're interested in solving our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► problem is the iBookstore isn't selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► ten times more books in amazon so how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► we solve that problem and that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► customer problem that's an apple problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► you know what I mean and when a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► is solving its own problem it's harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► to pitch customers on why that's such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► awesome thing when they've got existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► problem they want salt now again Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► thinks that this is the best strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► similarly as always buy OS where Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► was saying we need we need a total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► control and if it's a big problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► you developers tough luck because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► think in the end if we do this our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► platform will be so much more successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and customers will love it so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► that's eventually good for you that our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► customers will spend money that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► grow the base that will send sell tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► developers I know it kind of sucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► you and it's annoying but when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► checks come at the end of the month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► quarter or over Apple pays you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► happy about it but in the iBooks Author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► case maybe they're trying that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► strategy but I don't know I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► don't think their position is strong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► think you mentioned it when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► talking about this on the talk show one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► of the reasons that we think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► might people tend to prefer the Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► format is because you can read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► anywhere I don't know any device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► you have any device that you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► can pretty much get the Kindle app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► Mac iPhone Kindle obviously yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► they an Amazon introduced the Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► Fire which is a tablet but what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► didn't do was say well now that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► got the Kindle Fire you can't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► Kindle books on the iPad right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► people were talking about that like GG's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► when Amazon comes out with this Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► like an iPad are they going to still let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► the Kindle app be on the iPad so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► looks like they are maybe that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► change someday but I don't seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► integral to it's kind of like Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► dragging Netflix is on everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► buy a set of speakers for your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► they probably constrain Netflix right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► they'd clear you know everything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► stream Netflix and Amazon is said do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► have a device that conceivably read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► Kindle books we'll put some app on maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► it's a crappy app like the Kindle reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► for the Mac is not a great application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► but you can read them on your Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► can read them on your PC you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► them on all the Kindles you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► them on the iPad I'm assuming those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► Android versions of these things - they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► just want people to be able to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► their stuff that's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► strategy than Apple's um so what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► might I have missed in my pessimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► I think the biggest thing that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► people pointed out and I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► right is that when I was speaking of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► whole idea that if you're not the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► leader you should rally behind an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► electronic books in general but are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► subdivide and you say ignoring who's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► leader in electronic books there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► strong you know single competent leader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and electronic textbooks and Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► to be that leader so it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► matter that Kindle has come is dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► nonfiction books to any users we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► talking about the education market you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► know and you know they don't control the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► date this is where it gets weird is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► because the I don't I don't know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► really understands the education market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► I mean Apple you explained already why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► they want that inroad and it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► you know the kids they learn it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► come up but do you think to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► they understand it or to jump in and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► that they control it you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► talking about well as jobs told Isaacson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► in the biography that anyone who's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► outsider who looked at the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► textbooks sees dysfunction they see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► know obviously that the local school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► stuff like that but they also see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► entrenched interests that are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► selling you big stacks of paper for lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► of money that aren't I don't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► enthusiastic about about going digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► or even if they are enthusiastic are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► very good at it because these are book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► companies that print paper books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► it's not an easy transition for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► to change it's kind of like the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► labels where even if there's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► inside the record label sugreev digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► music was the future they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► equipped they didn't have software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► development departments they had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► platform they they didn't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► web they didn't you know it just wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► their business so if you're looking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► the outside you're like boy these bozos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► they're not going to figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► so Apple's thinking well geez we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► all the skill set to be to be the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► dog in this scenario so let's go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► there let's be the big dog you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► and the the biggest strength that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► of people brought up as they said Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► you know Amazon's not the leader in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► textbooks so maybe Apple could be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► the bar is really really low because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► would regardless of what Apple does with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► locking you into one form and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► competition the existing competition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► any potential competition is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► going to be much much worse in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► quality and that's apples big strengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► they're going to say like oh so fine go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► ahead you rally around an open forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► that you guys couldn't program you at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► paperback you don't understand platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► you can't make a nice application you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► know look at all the existing open epub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► readers they're not made to the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► quality and fit and finish that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► Apple's tools are and I think Marco saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► Microsoft I think Apple is probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► even afraid of the big people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► Microsoft and Adobe but they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► say oh those those guys they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► how to make a great application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► people love to use right Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► believes in its strengths in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► that they can make a better product than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► everybody else and even if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► things that customers don't like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► say but we're still better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► competition and what I heard from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► people who seem to be in the education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► world is that the existing products are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► terrible it was really really terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► asserting electronic textbook products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► like they're better than nothing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► they're not Apple quality so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► question it's a question of what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► value system is is the value system of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► the people making these decisions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► electronic textbook publishing are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► going to value those applicants quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► elect the polish ease-of-use how easy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► is to do something fancy you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► strengths are they going to value that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► over not being locked into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► vendor not being locked into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► platform you know being having a more a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► workflow that allows this content to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► viewed and places other than iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► as a lot of people were chastising me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► for being so fast pessimistic I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► one of the things they may have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► missing maybe if they're not longtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► listeners or hadn't done in context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► which in a head is that just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► think apples done a lot of things wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2038">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► with iBooks Author it doesn't mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► don't think they're still the best the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► best example that is TiVo which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► complain about endlessly and yet still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► say they are still the best DVR that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► I've used so you can you can be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► terrible mistakes and be truly awful on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► many fronts just like TiVo but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► still be the best in the market that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► not a that's not a great win like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► gonna say boy we're the dominant text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► book publisher because we're not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► sucky as everybody else it's hard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► hard to get behind that and and be proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► of it you'd rather be proudest like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► are the best you know we make the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► digital music player and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► because not just because everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► iPods legitimately are cool and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► when people love them versus well people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► really don't like that EULA that we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► and they really hate being confined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► the iPad but everyone else sucks worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► so we're going to get that market that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► not that's not a clean victory in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► book the other thing I talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► I I was right actually referencing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► tweets of Glenn Fleischmann when I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► it and he later wrote an article about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► it I don't know if I did a reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► article in the show I think it was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► published on the same time it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► apples textbook plan feels like a blast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► from the past and he was echoing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► feelings that we've seen this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► pitch before about textbooks and how if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► you fill in with wizzy graphics and full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► motion video and stuff that students [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► will be engaged and that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► problem with education is and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► interactive multimedia cd-rom wizzy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► graphics will solve our education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► problems and everyone came down on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► Anna these aren't like multimedia cd-rom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► this is totally different don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► understand the iPad makes it completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► different I think I brought that up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► the last show that yeah the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► the one thing that is different in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► is that leave the vehicle the I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► know what you call the the platform is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► the iPad and as we've seen you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► think also what it's on a touchscreen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► if we take the same pictures that are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► a PC screen put them on touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► suddenly it's different well yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► actually is different that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► that a lot of people still haven't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► to terms with but I think we've all use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► iPads enough to know that if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► really is a real physical psychological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► physiological difference between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► know consuming and used consuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► content and using an iPad versus using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► PC it makes a big difference especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► for young people and especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► school so that is the big differentiator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► but the the Apple presentation which by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► the way I now have watched everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► yelled to me for not having watches I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► apologized last show I told I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► hadn't watched it yet but now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► watched it it didn't really change much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► for my opinions because as I said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► last show I did watch the live blog of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► it so it's not like I didn't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► was presented but I actually watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► video all the way through and the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► made a couple of allusions to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► magical iPad experience but mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► pushed on look at these amazing videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► look at these amazing pictures look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► this interactivity look at you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► it was very especially when it's up in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► presentation screen you know it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► to differentiate in that context that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► this is something that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► touching versus something appearing on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► screen on a PC screen but they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► mostly leaning on sort of the old tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► arguments that mostly been disproven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► about how computers and interactivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► and video graphics will solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► problems of Education to make all kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► smarter and make them pay attention in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► school and do better in tests and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► everything so this Glenn flash Muraki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► lays out this argument and then people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► vociferously disagree with him as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► you can see in the comments so here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► quote from somebody who's even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► revolutionising education than Glenn or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► I says I used to think the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► spearheaded giving away more computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► equipment to schools than anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► in the planet but I've had to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► the inevitable conclusion that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► problem is not one the technology can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► wrong with education cannot be fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► with technology no amount of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► that sounds pretty done pessimistic lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► out the technologies helping education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► so that's a quote from Steve Jobs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► February of 1996 obviously any time job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► says he although he said we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► gonna watch video and iPad he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► doing that thing this is 1996 before he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► even came back from Apple this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► certainly not a ploy of like right I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► gonna say this quote to keep competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► away and I'm gonna come back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► company and then right before I die of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► cancer I'm gonna make my company you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► know a decade later I'm gonna make my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► company distribute textbook this was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► legitimate opinion after having spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► long time he really bought into the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► you know the hype and you can't blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► the first time around like we knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► Apple twos were coming out well personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► computers in the school this is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► revolutionize education we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► give these computers after the school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► and boy it's going to be a bicycle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► the mind and everything's going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► off and it's going to revolutionize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► way we learn and he saw that it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► and he came to the conclusion by 1996 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► that what's wrong with education cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► be fixed with technology no amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► technology will make a dent they did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► surprisingly during the education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► presentation I don't say all right why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► wouldn't they do that and I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► brought Steve Jobs on the stage he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► agree with a statement again mostly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► Apple is trying to do with with iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► Author is not not to fix education with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► technology to fix education to fix a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► part of education that's that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► optimal the whole textbook industry of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► how you know it's just the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► distributing music on CD was not optimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► and doing it digitally is much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► cutting out middlemen the advantages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► digital or physical products things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► the digital content can do that physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► media cannot do so this is taking a part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► of Education it's not as efficient as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► could be in trying to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► efficient especially when you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► entrenched interests who are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► resisting move to digital because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► want to keep making money on their paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► textbooks and all that business it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► not you know it that it would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► more honest for them to instead of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► presentation saying oh look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► great cool things textbook there would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► be more honest to say I'm going to go a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► blow-by-blow through how sick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► and textbook industry is you can't kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► manufacturers in the United States you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► know I mean but that would have been I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► think that would have been a more if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► really wanted to know what was behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► Steve Jobs in particular his idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► this mark that they need to enter this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► market is that the market is messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► it's not it's not the way it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► it's like they didn't all mobile phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► were crappy all smartphones were crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► there was you know music CDs were kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► of annoying to use that there are places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and that they see there's a problem in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► the world may say well we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► technology to fix this there's no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► this has to be crappy like this and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► only reason it's staying crap is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► these people are just dragging their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► feet so let's get them to move along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► either by attacking them or partnering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► them or doing both at once you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► a judo move or whatever on them so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► can't get up there and say and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► explain here's why we're entering this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► market because it's a big hairy mess and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► we think we can fix it they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► present it another way but by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► they chose to present it did have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► of that rehashing of old tired arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► about interactivity and video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► everything revolutionising education and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► that comes off looking like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► education even that's not what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► impression it gives you know and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► the Prince Glen's big objection my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► objection it's kind of like fetishizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► the artifacts of Education like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► it's not that these these iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► these textbooks are what really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► in education and I was thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► looking at that of why why do not why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► I check to that what is it that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► is the real theory of Education I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► thought about Maslow's hot Maslow's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► hierarchy of needs have you heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► that you're a liberal arts education now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► is this you trying to trick me no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► know murder murder lies I release tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► me I'll say Oh have you heard of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► thing I'll say sure and then be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► well I've just made it up oh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► remember when he got you on the the yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► he likes to focus in Berlin sir he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► principally said some other uncertainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► yeah yeah he likes to try and trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► people now is really Maslow's hierarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► of needs it's linked in Wikipedia in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► show notes and I I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► hierarchy of needs in education that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► looks something like this people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► in education can quibble about the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► is the most important thing in education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► so number one I would say is physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► safety this is similar to Maslow's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► hierarchy of needs a compressed version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► you have to feel safe at school the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► facilities can't be falling around on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► your head they have to have climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► control like just the basics of you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► feel safe at school your life is not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► danger right just the ceiling is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► gonna fall in you're not freezing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► death that's number one I think everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► agrees in that it's kind of like why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► start there done right the second one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► would say was emotional safety where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► physically but also a safe environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► where you know bullying and the balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► of positive and negative reinforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► from teachers and students that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► place where you don't feel you're under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► attack and fearful emotionally are ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► other than physical because so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► you're now you're innocent citizen where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► you can actually potentially learn right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► and then the next one right after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► physical and emotional safety I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► good teachers class size is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► wrapped up in this but in general I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► important thing is who is up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► teaching the material it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► textbook it's not the material it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► the curriculum it's not what you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► learn it's good teachers because as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► all know I think everyone has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► through education one or two good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► teachers have a profound effect on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► life in your future I think with urban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► studies of this of like these kids who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► had this one good teacher in like third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► had you know 20% higher income and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► success in happiness in their adult life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► than these people who didn't have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► one teacher you know it's huge huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► effect I mean I left that like good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► parents and family life and stuff as I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► just focusing on things that the school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► can do itself so they can't they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► go in your house and make it right Paris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► obviously that has a massive influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► as well but saying welcome to school do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► provide physical safety provide a safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► emotional environment and have good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► teachers and then way way down at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► bottom of this probably is education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► materials make sure you have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► textbooks and stuff like that but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► that's so you know not only is it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► number one I think it's down you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► it's possibly the the lowest thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► the list because really if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► about those great teachers that you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► do you remember like oh you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► teacher was great because they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► we could draw on know like I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► because we're all old and we didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► cool things like this but the materials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► you have how beat up your textbook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► how good your textbook was whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► you're forced to learn this thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► this grade and this thing that grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► because some stupid change in curriculum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► that you don't have a control over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► all comes down to you know physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► safety emotional safety good teachers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► and that's why no amount of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► will make a dent because those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► things are so much more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► they're massively dominant in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2698">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► the quality of education that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► have all those things you can give those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► people rocks and sticks and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► and enforce on them a stupid curriculum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► with a crappy textbook and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► still produce students who understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► material and are more successful you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► know and so this video where they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► this presentation where they can't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► out and say this the textbook industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► is messed up and that's why we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► decided to enter it oh and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► here all the people who messed it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► were going to partner with them since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► they can't say that I would have liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► to have seen them acknowledge right up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► everybody's mind who was watching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► is that this is all this business about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► technology fixing education it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► about that we think that we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► to fix education I don't know how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► could say it without throwing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► without throw the textbook people under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► the bus but to to acknowledge the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► counter-argument that that technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► doesn't matter and to say we think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► really important about education is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► wizzy videos and cool graphics but we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► have them too but what really matters is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► and then they have to make some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► different than all previous efforts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► put technology into school so that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► they were stuck we can rock in a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► place because there isn't a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► strong argument there and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► people like cool demos was when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► thinking that someone god I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► if he the man himself sent to this to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► I think you did Paul Anderson I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► you're going to say state jobs now Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► Anderson a teacher in Montana I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► sent me this link himself it's a YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► video what was the title of it um it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► called no no no I got to go to my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► it's like what while you do that I'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► to coordinate this I'm looking at every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► time I lose every time you lose track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and you can't find your notes it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► it's a time to take a break there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► episode is also sponsored by source bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2813">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► development services for iOS Android Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► and the web sounds like everything right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► that's what that's what they focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► they focus on of course you just want an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► iOS app they'll make that for you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► want an iOS app that has an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► equivalent and something that ties into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► the Mac and also has a web service they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► do all of those things they specialize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► in this now they'll do they'll do just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► the iOS app but a lot of the time if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► heard this week's build and analyze you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► heard Marco talking about why Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► needs a web service you need a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► service they'll build the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► bleeding edge technology is what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► guys are all about they have a deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► experience and they have one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► important things a successful track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► record you bring them your idea they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► transform it into a functional tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► visually stunning world-class app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► they do it fast they save you money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► because they do it right the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► they know what they're doing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► cutting-edge stuff source bits calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► longtime sponsor absolutely love these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► guys great guys I had a meeting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► them last week great things coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► 2012 check them out source Fitz calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► side let's find your playing find your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► the title of this video and our boss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► I was disorganized see I told you I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► just imagine ode application in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► office it's it's things stacked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► papers everywhere Paul Andersen teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► in Montana it sent me this video called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► classroom now gamification has a bad rep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► technology right when I say gamification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► I bet people the teeth go on edge like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► all that gamification thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► because it comes up in all the startup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► tech blogs and it's kind of like buzz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► wordy but mostly I think it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► unscrupulous companies have been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► game theory to manipulate people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► that's why people hate the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► gamification or the word camera fication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► so farmville is a good example at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► you know Zynga is the the poster boy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► using gamification for evil or they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► these these Facebook games that from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► gamers perspective are not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► fun or particularly good games but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► hammers so hard on the hot buttons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► manipulating millions of people into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► obsessively playing in these games when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► really what they're doing is you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► amounts more to work than to play and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► someone made a parody game a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► ago maybe not that long was his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► Ian Bogost there's an article about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and wire that I put in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► he made a parody game called cow clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► have you heard of this no I can't people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► have even debated putting in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► they're talking about this it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► I'll surely ever insert a cow clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► but not everyone travels in gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► circles I guess GG p2m entry is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► short and basically boils down pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► well for the wired article is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► interesting magazine article talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► about the person so this was he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► this game in response to these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► Facebook Zynga type games where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► they're mostly just making you click at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► regular intervals and give them money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► and he said well let me just boil it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► down I'm going to make a game called cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► functionality of the game distilled so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► you got a cow obviously and your cow can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► be clicked but you can only click your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► cow once every six hours but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► earn additional clicks and other items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► by spending this this in-game currency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► and players can collect more click what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► happens when you click it nothing I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► well you got to click and players can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► collect more clicks by inviting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► friends into their pasture so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► like literally it's a clicking thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► it withholds your ability to click and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► you then need to do things to satisfy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► the game to get the ability to click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► again which is very similar to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► he's saying this is basically a farm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► bill is come back at this time click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► these things click on your crops go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► click on you know that the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► is just you're getting sucked into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► you know eventually get you to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► virtual items you can do more things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► this virtual world and it's not the many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► good articles I should have found some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► different playing those type of games is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► than then what we consider actual play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► for enjoyment purposes and these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► advantages take advantage of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► compelling you know this the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► responsibility of your friends sends you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► a stupid fruit and now you feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► social obligation to respond to them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► kind then you get involved in this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► and really just if someone looks at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► outside looking in saying you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► to wake up in the middle of the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and tap a bunch of things on your on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► your iPad screen and Facebook so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► you can harvest your crops so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► won't lose those fruits that you but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► know it's you start losing connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► with reality that what you are you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► having fun anymore so I can help but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► have the sunk cost the phenomenon were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► you like well I'm invested now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► spent all this money and all this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► and I can't let these crops go and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► to send these things these people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► this person set you know Oh cow clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► is like fine we're gonna do a thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► click the damn cow and we're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► you want to click that cow like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► we're gonna use all these game theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► advancements and it's a supposed to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► satire - no more not a more sad harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► than a parody to say to make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► realize wake up people you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► what you're doing in those Zynga games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► you were literally just just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► kick licking the cow and the wired story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► fantastically popular and people loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► it and they wanted to buy different cows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► and then what they were into it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► just they couldn't wait what so the cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► the cow graphics like a cow sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► stand a three-quarter view of a cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► facing to the right uh he came out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► the cow that faces to the left people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► went crazy oh my god every single cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► face to the right until then but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► there's a count of faces to left you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► want you know hit he could created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► monster he was trying to make a satire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and he found that it's not possible this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► attribute yeah make the satire that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► efficiently pushed those same buttons if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► understand it was the party they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► to do that cow clicker thing you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► the you know the golden cow the steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► cow and you know just and literally just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► the cow that you click on so and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► became quite depressed and upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► his inability to make a satire that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► people don't take literally uh and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► 2011 finally he decided to have a cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► apocalypse and remove all the cow in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► cow rapture like basically killed he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► killed everybody's cow and they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► taken up to cow heaven uh and then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► fans constantly rankings however you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► want you're gonna bring the cows back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► what can we do to get those cows back I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► want my you know so this is from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► Wikipedia article and it's also in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► wired article responding to a fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► complained that the game was not a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► game after the cow rapture now now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► the only thing in the game cat was gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► and I can't click on it's not a fun game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► or he responded it wasn't very fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► before either so this this is all I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► should read the article about the cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► clicker thing the wired article that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► linked it's it's all kind of depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► and funny at the same time but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► why gamification gets a bad rap because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► of these companies that are using three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► but gamification can be used for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► can definitely be used for good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► it's a power I think the the evil that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► done with it shows what what a powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► tool it is and so some people are asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► me well if you didn't want them to pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► you on you know this wizzy multimedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► stuff with iBooks Author is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► make education better what should they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► have said I'm not saying this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► they should have said but this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► example of something that's at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► newer argument not a new argument but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► newer argument than the the multimedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► cd-rom computers in school Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► revolutionize the world argument they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► could have said we believe that engaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► students is not about wizzy graphics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► cool you know diagrams although those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► can help too it's really about using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► game theory to help them learn and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► this Paul Anderson video is a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► explaining how he uses gamification and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► game theory to help his class to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► better this is AP biology class in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► school so it the three tenants of game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► world that he outlines in begin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► video is that like gaming school should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► be fun so that's easy to say everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► just say yes it's supposed to be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► it's like well yeah well how do you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► it fun but he's laying it out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► because games people mostly people agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► the games are fun failure is commonplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► occurrence and something that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► all the time and it's okay that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► in games right but you know not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► games but in real games part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► thing is that you can fail and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► try again and you fail and ride like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► it's a consequence free environment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► for learning now you may be what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► platform but you can use that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► framework where failure is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► okay and you know to overcome the fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► people have like participating in school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Pizza fraid they're going to be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► you know what I mean and the final one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► is leveling which is from the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► role-playing game world where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► achievements in a virtual world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► don't make any sense when viewed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► the outside or in an objective way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► internally they do they do mean a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► invocation that these Zynga games make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► you keep wanting to be in this world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► clicking to achieve these things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► only have meaning in this world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► works on people so yeah you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► example he gives in the video is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► I'm sure everyone has been in a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► where what the teacher has said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► you're all starting out with an A in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► this class like on the first day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► class you're at this one yeah and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► know you all start out with an A and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► then if you I guess a the way that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► is if every error that you make or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► mistake you make where all you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► do is keep the a exactly and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► really if you you do do something poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► the lowers it but you have an a right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► now everybody has an A right yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► they do that I think the teachers do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► that maybe either trying to counteract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► the idea of someone coming into class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► and going oh I'm no good at math um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► know I'll just be happy if I get a C in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► this class I'm probably not gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► well he wants to come and day one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► say everybody has an a to make that guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► who thinks he's gonna get C bits like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► I'm no good at math think hey I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► an A in math right now and I if I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► up I just work hard I can keep that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► that's not effective game theory or very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► least the more effective technique that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► we've learned through through game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► playing is the system of leveling where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► you start at level one where you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► wimp and you've got like the wooden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► sword and and and no shield and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► leather armor right and motivate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► people to to level up to advance so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► you know instead of starting it with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► A and getting worse you start out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► like basically an F and he uses like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► categories like you're a slime mold like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► there's a biological things you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► Neri ladder to be a more complex form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► life right so that you're climbing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► ladder so that maybe by halfway through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► the course you're still you know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► level 3 where some people are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► level 10 you know and level level 15 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► an A or something but it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► you can't make it it just like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► video game where your friends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► playing you know a massively multiplayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► game and they've leveled faster than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► where you can just grind a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and catch up with them and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► go raiding with them when you once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► you've matched your level right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► people kids obviously are familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► that phenomenon is because they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► played video games but that's it's a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► to say you know hey you can make it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► just like in the video games or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► you know you just because you're behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► now you can still build your way up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► an A and that thing of like oh let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► grind a little bit so I can match your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► level well that's like let me stop you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► little bit harder so I can catch up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► you you're tricking them into studying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► and learning the material so they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► achieve a level that they've seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► other people achieve and they think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► the fact that they fail at doing it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► whatever it's fine you get to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► another time and you look at the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► he's using to build this course and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► like web-based materials and a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► software that I never heard of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► them is called Moodle it's all kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► like a patchwork of poems I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► heard of that maybe people in education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► world I've heard of but it's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► single vendor is providing a a turnkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► assembling this from bits and pieces you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► know and tweaking it as he goes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► learning how the kids game the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► which obviously they will to try you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► know like multiple-choice tests you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► don't to give them infinite chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► because littles go through and through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► process of elimination you know so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► has randomized questions and a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► number of times you can try a test then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► well so they have like leaderboards this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► class versus class competitions where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► like you may not be doing that well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► your classes the whole is competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► against the other class as a whole which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► is kind of like clan battling in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► online multiplayer game space there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► leaderboards they have big histograms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► the class's performance of you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► level everybody is that this again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► not pitching like Oh gamification as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► that is the the be-all end-all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Education but this is an example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► newish approach to improving education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► based software and electronic tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► of things out nothing has he added a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► narrative like a narrative framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► like someone's coming back in time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► look for people to help them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► biology so it's like a story you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► through it these are ways to engage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► students that don't necessarily have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► anything to do with technology like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► can imagine someone in the you know 18th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► century building a narrative class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► structure around learning Latin or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► whatever to engage students and trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► them into learning using game theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► they had nothing to do with technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► just had to do with you know Dungeons & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► Dragons pen and paper like all happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► in their head type of stuff you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► these tools that are so effective you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► can use them for good instead of evil ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► and that would that's an example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► pitch that Apple could have gone with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► technology is not the not what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► selling here it's really a new better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► technologies this tool to let us do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► versus what I think is also a noble goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► to take a dysfunctional market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► education materials and make it less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► dysfunctional while at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► coming becoming the new dominant leader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► in it but it's not it the presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► they gave wasn't either one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► things and man this is follow up huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► one final note on the presentation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► I finally watched Phil Schiller during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► the presentation which by the way he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► looking very trim and slim don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► think hey slim it down he's come a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► way in this in the spotlight more often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► he did his Phil Schiller normal job I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► think did a good job but at one point he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► said the iPad is quote a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► durable than paper and binding now what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► he probably meant was you know digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► content is more durable than physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► I'm doing I think his weight because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► can because you can physically you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► you can infinitely copy it it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► lose quality all you know all that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► that business right that's not what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► said though what he said was that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► iPad was a lot more durable than paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► and binding and I tweeted about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► absurdity of this which was probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► just they I don't know poorly presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► he has a valid point in there but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► not the point he made so calling him out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► for it is like you know ha whatever then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► people argued with this that they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► accidentally made there is valid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► yeah it really is more durable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► textbooks because textbook so they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► the pages torn out and if they get wet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► they that you know people draw on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► and all these horrible things happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► you know so here here's some pros and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► cons just to delay it's out for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► physical content so it's more durable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► you said you can make infinite copies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► it in theory dear I'm allowing bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► deteriorate with use so I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► digital music even though it's crap your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► quality then finally every time I play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► that Rhino record it gets worse you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► how many torn pages I think a point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► a lot of people brought up but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► it's the probably the biggest point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► favor of the iPad is that if you have if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► you're using an iPad for all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► curriculum you concentrate all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► students care on preserving a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► thing instead of having 15 books having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► to like make sure you don't drop all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► different books and putting them in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► locker and take them out or you just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► this one thing to concentrate on it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► like the the sack of flour baby that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► get in school I just concentrate all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► your your energy on making sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► don't break this thing and the iPad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► acknowledged kids understand that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► more expensive even though if that iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► textbooks combined they don't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► it that way right so in that way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► could make kids a lot more careful with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► an iPad than they are with their books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► but the cons are pretty obvious the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► thing I put in mine I tweeted about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► is it does any want to do a drop test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► let's drop a textbook from waist height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► onto a linoleum floor in a school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► now let's do the same thing with an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► and so that's just a straight drop let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► try the whoops knocked it off my desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and have it rotate as it goes down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► lands on the hard linoleum floor which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► you know maybe you'll bend the cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► maybe the the book willis plate out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► the thing but you can still use it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► that iPad man it doesn't take much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► impact to shatter that screen it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► doesn't and there was somebody else who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► wrote in I'm pretty sure it was to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► that said that they wouldn't get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► kids maybe he's on Twitter they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► get their kids iPads because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► wouldn't want to get stolen yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► no no I'm not saying nobody would steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► a text book like I remember actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► kids doing that like they would lose or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► whatever their textbook and they'd have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► to pay 50 bucks or something for it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► still one I mean an iPad you would steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► whether or not there's textbooks on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► know somebody wants to steal it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► a lot of value in an iPad that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► down to physical safety though I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► that's that's your that's your number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► one reason it did the diamond clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► didn't people like maybe leave the iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► in school or if you take them home like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► you just creating conveyor Man physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► say it's not I don't think you can blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► Apple like that guy did when he left the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► Apple store to the store yeah the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► leaves the Apple store we gonna put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► in the show notes a guy Lee walks out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► the Apple store and I guess he he bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► what was an iMac he bought something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► you hear stories of like somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► walking out of the Apple store getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► right that's not what happened he got he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► walked out of the store went into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► car drove got gas picked up a sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► and that was it there at while they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► at the sandwich shop or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► that that he was getting gas he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► into like the little mini-mart to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► something for two minutes and came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► out and everything had been taken out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► his car yeah well we will put that along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► with everything else in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► and by the way we want to say thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► help spot calm the loveliest ladies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► helpdesk business creating really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► help desk software help desk stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► software if I can say it correctly help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► spot.com is where you could find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► about that but yeah I didn't this crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► I mean he was a lawyer though he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► stopped but he was like it was its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► creepy because he was stalked now is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► wasn't just like he walks out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► store ponder and run you know okay okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► take the iMac go they like followed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► for a long didn't have his daughter with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► and this is I'm sure this is a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► story but the absurd part of his course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► that he thinks it's apples is apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► fall well in such a desirable I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► think he think I don't think he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► he just wants there's a lawyer yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► just the law I mean in this country that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► was America right yeah I mean it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► you it's hard to say there isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► ridiculous how could that be Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► fault yeah it's just it's absurd but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► this is a real phenomenon like when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► I we haven't even discussed this on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► show somehow even if you yelled to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► for not discussing it you didn't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► it up but when when I got my wife's eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► iPhone which she got for Christmas she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► when we were going on we bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► together when we were going out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► store with it I said you know she put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► into her purse like they just give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► the little box or whatever I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► gotta zip your purse up and you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► were eating in a restaurant I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► got to keep that out of the way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► don't let anyone see that you have don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► don't get the bag from the Apple store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► don't let anyone see that's pop sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► out of your purses and iPhone just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► it in there zip it up and keep it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► of course I'm I'm a New Yorker so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► my natural inclination anyways to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► criminals and assume that everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► gonna steal my stuff but oh yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► kind of ridiculous but no a side tracked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► here on the only the durability so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► that is that is probably a con in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► iPad column is that it is immoral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► desirable theft target ah but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► he may have meant dated durability but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► it was funny if you just look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► video it seems like he's saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► they are actually more physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► durable on it you know more physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► sturdy than books because textbooks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► incredibly physically stay those part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► presentation where he says look at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► text books like they're old and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► keep having them for years you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► rid of them and then later he says all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► the text books aren't durable and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► get all beat up and everything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► they do get all beat up but they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► last for years like I had textbooks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► school that were probably like seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► eight years old and some people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► education industry in schools were wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► to tell me that yeah we try to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► textbooks on a shorter cycle but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► some you know they're often around four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► five six seven years or longer if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► there's not a budget to replace them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► so you just keep using them I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► think by the way that all this has is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► any reason not to use iPads in school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► it's just this is going to be a new it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► a new fact of life you don't all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► can't put computers in school because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► that your delicate kids will break them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► well you know you just have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► that find a way to deal with that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► can't stop progress because the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► thing is it not exactly like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► thing in every possible way that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► my argument at all but if I were making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► a pitch for why schools should use iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► I would probably not hammer on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► durability thing even if I had a valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► point about David durability it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► easy to look like you're trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► that this $500 piece of glass is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► durable than a big blob of paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► there are many things I can do with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► I also how will schools deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► schools near him I think he said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► Massachusetts even let students buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► sounds like 40 bucks a year for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► insurance on a thing otherwise if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► break it you got to pay for it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► there's plenty of ways to fix this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► can put cases on them a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► said are you trying to say that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► gonna give people naked iPads that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► crazy you know that's not true I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► they would give naked iPad it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► their problem to not break them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► break them you buy another one you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► schools can put cases on them in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► there's no case you can put on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► thing that's gonna change the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► it's a big pane of glass and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► you get yeah how many times you seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► student call a high school student get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► accidentally hit the edge of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► and it flips off the desk it rotates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► linoleum school floor is death for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► iPad and lots of people in the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► also said oh you know I've dropped my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► iPad from the top of a 12 foot ladder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► onto a pit of spikes and it survived I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► sure there are plenty of things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► can do you know all you got lucky and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► didn't happen to break just yet all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► these people I would challenge them I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► get a physical textbook you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► scientific tests at different angles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► velocities under different services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► you are you up for that and now of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► course they're not because they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► despite the fact that oh well it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► more durable than I thought I dropped it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► onto my linoleum kitchen floor and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► survived because it landed the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► so boy I thought it would have broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► but it didn't but there's other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► who are like I dropped the three inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► onto concrete in a shaft right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► there's something else to consider for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► those who are saying things like that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► you don't have kids kids find a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► break something that that you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► can't be broken they'll find a way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► they'll do it the first time well not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► even the first time those I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► all about trials like oh you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► thing survived like oh so I would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► know you want to use science now let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► do a series of trials no one wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► a series of trials because they know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► their heart like it's not adorable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► want that one lucky one to count as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► their David are you aren't unison aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► you just picking on semantics maybe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► meant more you know and I used the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► different I was making a joke like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► funny that what he what he said I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► think that Apple as a company in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► heart believes that the iPads a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► doable than looks but the presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► was humorously misleading in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► particular portion that I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► let anyone watch it they'll all have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4258">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► same reaction like wait he's saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► iPads are more durable it was not well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► worded so this is not like complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► that Apple's trying to lie to people or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► just sloppy presentation you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► and I was that's why I said if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► trying to pitch iPad in education just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► stay away from the durability topic or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► come at it with an acknowledgement like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► people are going to say that iPads are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► going to break but actually it has these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► you know don't come at it and and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► try to like do the Republican strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► thing where you take what is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► considered your weakness and try to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► it your strengths by just contradicting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► it now well in fact iPads are super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► durable or they're more durable than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► think just don't that's not a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► point for you if you're pitching you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► have many other good strong points to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► the iPad let's not hammer on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► you know and if you're gonna do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► about data durability make clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► you're not talking about the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► follow-up for iBooks Author ok so what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► today's topic near the Wikipedia I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► 72 minutes in you wanted you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► the topic yeah if I was trying to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► short shows I would end it now order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► your feelings on that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► you're you're the one with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► today's notes just yeah they're just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► much okay we could you look at me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► can't I don't want to push it off for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► two things I'm gonna do it could be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► don't think I'll pick that one well how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► ourselves a time limit we'll say 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► I don't agree sometime and set a limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► it's that's too open we'll see how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► goes uh so Wikipedia I guess I'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► by saying what how much experience do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► you have a look at video let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► there how much experience do I have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► it do you mean as a as a person who uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► it as the perfect and infinitely correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► source of all wisdom that I use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► continuum here is person who's heard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► word Wikipedia on the news once that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► like the low end of this program and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► other end is a I don't know what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► names are like a Wikipedia administrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► editor who has been you know like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► moderator on this like a right like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► have certain pages that they help curate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► and verify content on yeah and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► very and they've been in Wikipedia for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► years and they know all the rules of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► system and all that stuff or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► like that's us the continuum so we're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► I I would say I'm probably at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► midpoint in that I have edited or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► contributed to several Wikipedia entries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► in a non malicious beneficial kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► way so maybe that's kind of if the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► thing you said was a1 and the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► you said was the ten maybe I'm like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► six so you've done edits but like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► you're not like spending hours and hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► and just hundreds of thousands of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► editing needed them like minor edits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► like maybe three or four pages of text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► you'd say you've contributed life time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► the last last it's like small edits yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► like when I see something that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► egregiously wrong and I know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► wrong I might get in there and edit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► but that's a rare a rare thing so and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► experience is similar or was similar up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► until maybe 2006 where like I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► Wikipedia of course as we all do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► made some minor edits here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► where you see something that's wrong now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► given that what do you think Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► is like if you had to explain not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► explain to somebody else what it is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► to say like it here's why Wikipedia is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► useful thing like what is what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► goal of Wikipedia I don't know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► would define as their goal but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► define the the goal from my perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► as being a place to have current and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► would put accurate whether that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► or not is debatable but I would say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► accurate information about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► that matters and that the main thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► would say and my impression of Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► was that yeah so that's what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► trying to do and the thing that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► different is it's like let's everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► work together to achieve that goal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► like not a bunch of people write it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► you read it it's everybody we we work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► together anybody can do it like this no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► the barrier to entry is low and it we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► all going to work together towards this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► common goal and it's what the common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► goal is that I that is interesting to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► because what were you saying like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► what would you say is the goal of always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► working together on these Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► pages the goal is to have the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► entry possible so that we're not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► potentially biased dataset we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► the complete picture we're getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► whole story we're getting it in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► unbiased forward-thinking open-minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► collaborative and elaborate event that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► whole bunch of people can work together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► to heard something towards a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► final state than just two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► authors even if the two or three officer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► X experts the pitcher Wikipedia is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► you know in my mind back back when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► first was getting into Wikipedia was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► together and all of us together can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► better than those two or three guys that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► like Britannica or okay so wait a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► where where are you on this scale uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► well let me tell my wikipedia story then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► you'll see where I ended up okay so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► is what I thought working pedia was uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► and my first real like I did like minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► edits like fixing typos and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► that I mean probably mostly probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► didn't anima set up so the first I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► the first time I actually created an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► account was when back in 2006 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► somebody made an article and Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► 4ft FFT you know what that stands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► yes you do s t ft FL we I have no idea I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► thought you were saying STF you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► have no idea what that is yeah so that F [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► DF f stands for fixed the effing finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► but it's not effing and it was a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► acronym that came to start I think had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► his origins in the ARS technica forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► like out this is back when I was writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► all those articles about how the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► wasn't very good and how I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► should be and the problem with the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► os10 finder and people in the forum's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► a shorthand for like what do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► see in the next version of Mac OS 10 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► do you think these public betas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► releases it was you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► things they would list is like printings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► got to be better and it's too slow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► FD FF it became sort of a term of art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► might saying and eventually it leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► out of the ARS technica forums on to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► the other Mac websites that were big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► anytime weather with a bunch of nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► discussing like this new Mac os10 thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► that's supposed to replace Mac OS 9 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► do we think about it what does it need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► what does it have what is to not have or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► like hey you know 10.1 is pretty good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► everything but they still didn't FD FF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► all right so someone made a Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► article for this because if someone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► reading if you were to read all the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► web back then in particularly the forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► and everything and you saw this acronym [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► you may be net wouldn't understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► it is where does this come from why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► someone make up a second and why are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► these people all writing sdff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► exclamation points after it you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► just like urban dictionary like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► but like the origins and what's behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► this who cares about the fonder what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► so different about this finder than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► other finder anything like that and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► obvious reasons I thought I had stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► contribute to this because like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► know I never used this term in any of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► articles in the first time first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► used it was out two years after it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► appeared I was referencing other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► using it cuz I you know I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► complaining about the finder you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► it's the old FD FF meme that usually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► know so I was in the originator of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► and you know I figured well but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► know a lot about it and so I can give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► background like why why did these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► invent this term and what are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► trying to say because I did have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► know I did have a lot of say in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4738">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► objections to the finder now this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► time that people may not remember where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► I was mostly known for saying horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► and people who loved apple hated me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► because I was saying bad things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► their new shiny thing and I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► supposed to say bad things about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► supposed I was supposed to like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► you know is the typical people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► anything bad you say about Apple they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► were complaining and those people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► much more much louder and much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► common back then than they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► because I feel like most people are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► secure with Apple success now for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► most part whereas back then Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► was their success was not assured the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► iPod was just coming out around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► time the mac os9 was not doing well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► weren't saying a lot of Mac's Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► just coming off of almost going out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► business so the at the Apple fans were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► little bit freaked out and so anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► anyone says anything about it they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► jump on top of you now somebody made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► this article about FDF FM was filling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► out there's a link to it in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► and what happened after got to about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► page in length of people like saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► from and here's what the complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► aren't here the people say was someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► marked it for deletion and they said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► know we would like to leave this article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► blah blah and here's here's a discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► page where we can discuss whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► think this thing should be deleted or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► not and this surprised me because I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► wait a second what what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► marked for deletion we've got this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► here explaining this term is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► know I was like five or six or a handful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► of people from who we're familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► this term from the forums and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► contributing we're working together on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► this document to explain what what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► this F D F F thing with what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► complaints about the finder right ah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► I was like why would you delete that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► isn't this what Wikipedia is about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► together to pool their knowledge into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► common public place where if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► want to know what the heck deal was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► could go and that's why I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► Wikipedia page or something because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► don't want to know like you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► some generic term like the the octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► restrictor gate around the joysticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► there's a Wikipedia page somewhere that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► explains octagonal restrictor gates in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► their history and a lot of time I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► to link something to someone that said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► don't want a page of someone talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► about this I want to pay just explains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► from you know what this thing is before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► you can even discuss it so here's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► article about something but what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► thing well read this Wikipedia page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► tell you what it is you know I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► like well why would you delete this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► you know it it's not is it is it bad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► it it's not you know one of things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► people think it's advocacy so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► advocacy like it's F D F F is a term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► used by people in adversity but the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► the Wikipedia article itself is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► trying to convince you that the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► needs to be fixed is simply explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► the origins of this term and I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► take this this deletion very well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► look at these what I actually linked is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► the the talk thread where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► discuss why you think this thing should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► be deleted not deleted and what you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► see in this thread is me in 2006 as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► probably a prototypical example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► someone who does not understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► Wikipedia is proving that he does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► understand what Wikipedia is oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► just search for my last name and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► thread and look at all my comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► anyone who actually who is above a level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► 6 on the Wikipedia scan who like has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► experience contributing to Wikipedia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► it would not be surprising something's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► marked for deletion and understands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► whole process will read all my comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► say this person does not understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► true I did not understand what Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► was and that explains my frustration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► anger I'm like what the heck is going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► here you know you're saying to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► this it's not advocacy at all the terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► not notable it you know these sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► don't count as valid sources and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► I was hunting totally familiar with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► world and where the term came from and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► was thought you know we are those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► who know where this term came from or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► explaining it to other people and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► would you why would you want that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► the internet uh and so let me do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► sidebar here and say what wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► actually is versus what I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► what I thought it was is that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► where we all get together and we all try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► to collaborate and pull our information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► and try to make a document that that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► share all our information if one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► or three of us might have little pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► information and then if someone want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► know what the heck FD FF was they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► go and find this page and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► explain to them uh and again I was clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► that it's not a place where you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► try to convince people that the finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► is bad we're just explaining the term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► like I wasn't that far off what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► computer was but but I was wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► Wikipedia is so if I had been a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► little person and wanted to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► Kapiti it was you should go Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► because they explain very clearly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► Wikipedia is about here's what I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► know so this is quoting from the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► Wikipedia pages that I've linked in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► show notes ok there's all prefix with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► Wikipedia : something which are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► meta pages about Wikipedia itself all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► right the threshold for inclusion in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► Wikipedia is verifiability not truth let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► that sink in for a while all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► and that goes on it goes on to say while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► verifiability is needed for inclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► does not guarantee inclusion wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► has other policies and guidelines that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► affect that but right off the bat this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► is completely counter to what I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► what Kapiti was about I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► about everyone working together to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► to find the truth basically - - you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► we're going to figure out what the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► of this thing is we're gonna you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► find all this information we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► get the truest possible page the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► accurate you said accuracy before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► the most accurate possible page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► just some guy wrote it maybe you get two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► or three things wrong because we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► with the Isaacson book and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► that it's like what if we all work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► collaboratively on that jobs bio surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► someone would have seen all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► you're wrong about this or those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► didn't have rounded rectangles or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► you got the wrong timeline here he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► wasn't called iceo at this point or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► know together we can make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► accurate right but but here's what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► determines that verifiability determines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► that not truth right something can be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► true as you want it to be if it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► verifiable it doesn't go in all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► the other one is a no original research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► Wikipedia does not publish original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► thought all material and Wikipedia must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► be attributable to a reliable published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► source articles may not contain any new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► analysis or synthesis of published [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► material that served to advance position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► not clearly advanced by the sources so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► no original research you can clearly see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► from my description of what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► the FT F F page that was like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► like original research we were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► looking up finding finding out what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► stuff was or sometimes we just knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► because we were there right and we'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► well you know I know this so I have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► fact we were pooling our knowledge our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► first-hand knowledge in most cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► participate in is explaining what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► origin is this term work you know we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► citations to articles and post off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► Wikipedia must be attributable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► reliable published source there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► whole thing on what makes what what make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► something a reliable source but as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► exact term that they use here what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► counts as a reliable source and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► definition of what counts as a reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► source also flew in the face of what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► would think but a bit mean you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► says details that verifiability not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► truth completely blows away what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► thought what capito was and no original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► research I did not understand that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► all and so that they defined what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► mean by original research so they define [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► primary sources primary sources are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► close to an event often accounts written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► by people who are directly involved so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► that's we were all primary sources if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► you're in that thread in the forum where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► that where people are thrown around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► term when you want to say well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► here's another way that people use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► term you are a primary source or you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► came up with the term the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► thing the guy who was the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► I think was the person who made it up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► was writing there he's a primary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► and then there are secondary sources so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► accounts or something so it's a primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► source and then someone writes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► article about that thing so the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► goes on in the forum and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► writes an article unlike wired that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► here's something that's happened in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► lion-like the 4chan forums or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► like that that's a secondary source and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► then finally there are tertiary sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► we don't think of past tertiary we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► lucky tertiary sources are publications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► such as encyclopedias or compendium at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► mainly summarize secondary sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► Wikipedia is a tertiary source that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► another thing that I totally didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► understand Wikipedia is not a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► where you write down stuff that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► because then you're a primary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► Wikipedia is not a secondary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► where you write about things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► happened elsewhere Wikipedia is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► tertiary source but kapeniak writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► about that writes about other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► writing about things so is any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► no not nudie so you knew all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► already I knew some all right so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► it's it you know I understand where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► and I want to share something with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► my mom is a college professor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► nothing and my aunt is uh like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► director of a library at a college they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► their opinion of Wikipedia you're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► wholehearted endorsement of Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► compared to the way that they feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► the they think that it is I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► flies in the face of everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► they believe a source should be and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► my mom will tell her students when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► they're writing paper you may not use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► Wikipedia as a source it is not a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► it is not valid don't don't use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► anything don't rely so it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► a joke in our family any any time how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► say something about you know Oh where'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► you hear that I'll never never mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► because we can't even bring it up we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► it's considered and I don't know if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► speaking for all educators everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► but III think generally speaking it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► it is detested by everybody for whom a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► researched work would be considered a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► valid source Wikipedia just flies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► face of it we've talked about this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► of thing a lot occasionally points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► that regardless of any particulars of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► what compete it shouldn't be used as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► source because it's an encyclopedia it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► a tertiary source right but even so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► generally if you're writing if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► writing a scholarly work you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► going to cite a tertiary source because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► you're supposed to be a tertiary source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► when you're writing the scholarly work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► you're supposed to be reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► articles and synthesizing them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► analyzing them or whatever you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► supposed to let someone else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► pretend I could do all the work for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► and then you just summarize what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► said because they've just done all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► work for you but even so you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► could use it as a source for information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► that was I don't want to say commonly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► known but you know you know I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► whereas if you wanted to not coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► with a unique quote or proof of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► state but just say by the way these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► inconsequential facts do have a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► and yahwah's encyclopedia I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► saying there's things on Wikipedia that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► that you might want a quote or you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► want to source and in education they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► don't even don't even want to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► that doesn't even count it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► disputed it it creates a disease among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► Encyclopedia like nor would be read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► encyclopedia to learn but if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► attempting to to you know forge some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► knowledge to have some new insight write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► your own scholarly on paper you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► can't you know your job is to to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► the Encyclopedia did or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► it's it's interesting that you brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► that up because so this business about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► being a tertiary source I'll get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► your parents cuz I think that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► very key point here but the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► didn't understand these things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► Wikipedia is why I was so completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► incredulous about what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► in that thread that there got a mark for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► deletions didn't didn't meet all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► criteria and I didn't the the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► that I was so angry about is because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► didn't understand what the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► Wikipedia was and I'm sure this happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► all the time of Wikipedia I'm sure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► there any Wikipedia so in chat room they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► can tell you this is pretty much what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► happens someone thinks they know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► Kapiti is they come in they try to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► something and you tell them no you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► possess not what Wikipedia is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► they'll just argue with me argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► you until they're blue in the face not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► understanding like that's all well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► good but that's not what Wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► you have a fundamental misunderstanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► of but I can't argue your particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► point because your premises are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► wrong my premises were all wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► what Wikipedia is so there are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► some sicknesses involved with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► wikipedia fights against all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► because you know there's some weaknesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► in the format the first one is that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► any kind of issue that's controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► they have all sorts of rules about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► things that are controversial because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► controversial topics in there any page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► on like religion or abortion or any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► of politics thing there there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► who would like to contribute who or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► have a strong opinion one way or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► policies trying to control that what can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► happen on a page like FD FF is if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► are some people who feel strongly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► that the finder is really awesome that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► you shouldn't be saying bad things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► it they can initiate the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► killing this page we're not following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► the rules uh whereas if it was less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► controversial topic it could have skated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► by for a while this is not arguing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► like this is why the pages stay or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► anything it's just a fact of life like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► the more controversial topic is the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► the more it has to make sure it conforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► to what Wikipedia actually is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► people will come in there with an ax to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► grind and say I've got you because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► Wikipedia in the right way and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► going to get turned that I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► that's what happened with the FD FF it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► doesn't mean that that person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► entirely right that this article does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► not conform to what Wikipedia is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► means that that's why this thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► why this comes up and doesn't sit in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► quiet corner where nobody bothers about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► alright and then in the thread as I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► arguing passionately for a Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► that doesn't exist about how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► article should be included in Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► that doesn't actually exist there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► incredulous two people are making these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► arguments and rupees they seem crazy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► someone was to say to me in that threat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► maybe they did and remember is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► that's great and all but we don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► verifiability I would have just gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► crazy like what you don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► what the truth is isn't that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► point of what they say actually no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► actually that's not the point I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► wouldn't be able to understand it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► so one of the things they did in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► thread that drove me nuts is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► people like someone who I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► whatsoever in this issue probably didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► even know what that FD FF was or didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► even know what the finder was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► came into the thread and was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► tell me and failing to communicate to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► that I don't know what Wikipedia is went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► through and annotated all the comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► of the people in the talk thread with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► how many contributions they made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5638">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► Wikipedia have you ever seen that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► never and that that also pushes all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► crazy buttons because I would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► what does it matter and tortured Eugen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► tortured person art you know put judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► the people's statements on their merits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► it's not it's you know it's like let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► just apply an appeal to authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► fallacy to every single cycle Waldow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► well this person said this but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► again he's only had two edits ever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► wikipedia and they're all up they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► to single out single single purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► accounts and canvasing which is like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► I did this as well went to the forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► said hey someone deleted the FD FF page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► if you think it shouldn't be delia to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► that's called canvassing you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► that so any recount that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► created like a single purpose account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► contributing this talk page well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► Wikipedia so it's like putting a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► score next each person to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► disregard this person's comments who's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► single person purpose can disregard this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► person's comments because the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► reason they're here is because someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► recruited them to come here and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► it that totally rubs me the wrong way ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► I can't even say that even understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► the point of that what I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► they're trying to get at is to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► to identify single single purpose counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► and canvas users because they somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► are supposed to count less maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► because of rules to realize well those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► people are less likely to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► what Wikipedia is but I think that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► facts should be evident from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► comments if they don't understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► Wikipedia is I think they'll demonstrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► that with their comments you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► this is a single purpose account that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► was canvassed but they make a salt a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► strong solid point that actually does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► than the framework Wikipedia is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► should be valid you shouldn't be tagging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► everybody I couldn't believe it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► thought it was one malicious user I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► thought it was like no it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► it's the metd mentality some guy had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► axe to grind with the finder was gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► through that I'm like oh this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► it's like boldface clearly evil behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► that surely everyone will see but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► it's a Wikipedian who has no stake in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► this issue whatsoever coming in here I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► doing something with common practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► because in their world this is a useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► useful metric for determining of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► rather than have to suss out these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► prejudge them based on how much they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► contributed Wikipedia because as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► we see that they're canvassed or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► single user account we can just regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► everything they say and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► understanding what Wikipedia is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► so through this painful experience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► learned what Wikipedia was eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► the FD FF thing just became a subsection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► of the finder page in the criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► section and if you go to the tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► redirects to the criticism section of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► the finder page what you will see is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► that all the remains of this page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► was once like maybe a screen full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► text is a paragraph and that paragraph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► was mostly written by the one guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► had an axe to grind about the finder he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► was on me in the forums and you think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► find her so bad well I think it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► and if you think it's so bad where's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► your better finder like that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► level of the argument here's a quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► from the Wikipedia page in the criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► section which references me Sarah kusa a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► web developer has been called on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► submit a prototype of what he thinks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► isn't that great phrasing he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► called on to submit a prototype he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► been called out you sir you must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► you know to supplement his article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► the topic but he has declined to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► saying I'm a programmer not a Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► program that's quoting from me from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► forum you can follow citations and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► it though that's like 50% of the entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► there the sentence is about me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► this dude calling me out which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► ridiculous fallacy that I think of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► discussed elsewhere of like you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► this movie is bad well where's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► better movie now that's not work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► don't have to have a better movie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► don't have to write a better finder you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► think you're so great you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► finder so bad where is your better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► finder that that stands the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► because yeah and this thing about FFF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► that's the that stays everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► goes but the few you know can I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► bitchy I don't know you can sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► from this guy with an axe to grind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► stays because you have citations that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► low quality content that's not relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► but it's verifiable and how is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► verifiable you can trace it back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► forum thing and that if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► thread you see is all the stuff about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► and not liking the fact that that forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► and web things aren't considerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► barold valid sources and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► business I think even understanding what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► Wikipedia actually is they're very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► to acknowledge websites as valid sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► like they're you know much more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► to take like some magazine that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► circulation it's 1/100 of the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► people who read a forum page and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► well that magazine is on paper therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► it's it's you know more important so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► this finally gets back to you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► objection of your parents and academics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► education against Wikipedia I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► main one one of the big sicknesses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► Wikipedia is that the people who set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► the rules of what Wikipedia is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► again outside is totally their right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► can set up any system they want this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► the only chosen set up when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► Wikipedia they wanted desperately for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► the to have what would you say the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► confirmation they wanted the blessing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► people like like your mother and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► sanctioned they they wanted those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► to look on them and say yes they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► the affections of those people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► wanted to be in that world that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► opinion of those people matter to them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► lot approval finally chase my approval I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► thank you they desperately wanted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► approval of those people those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► like your mother and academics and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► people who are in that world of sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► right and so they structured they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► to structure themselves so that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► they would have unassailable Authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► we have the strict set of rules that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► kind of weird rules that is not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► think what Kapiti is when we just tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► you what wikipedia is no we are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► a scholarly thing with the set of rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► about neutral point of view no original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► things that are just because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5997">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► if you were to ask your mother the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► publication it's like all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► you have to have neutral point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► you shouldn't it's not advocacy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► you're not supposed to original research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► of your encyclopedia so it's be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► tertiary source these are just pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► straight out of the world of classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► paper encyclopedias and the desire of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► Wikipedia to have the approval of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► people made them make something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► think is worse than what computer could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► have been if it was the thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► thought it was it sounds shocking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► I'm going to say that right so the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► experiences one I I don't begrudge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► Wikipedia it's it's to be what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► right you know people will say oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► know I'm so mad because my article got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► deleted or you know because I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► I was wrong there I didn't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► what Wikipedia was my fault right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► they can set the rules however they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► right and obviously the rules that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► think are so horrible obviously haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► been so bad that it stopped Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► from becoming this big this great big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6057">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► thing right the sec my second point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► that I think they took the wrong rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► that a Wikipedia that actually worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► the way I thought it would would be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► better because what I'm what I am want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► want out of collaborative editing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► want the truth and it's like well how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► you get to the truth about verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► it gets all wrapped up or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► that that's what's different about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► online they wanted the approval so badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► of the academics in that world and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► didn't get it as you said your parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► laugh at them it's like oh honey we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► edit Wikipedia that's not you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► they didn't they went for the approval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► of the old guard didn't even get it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► still keep those rules and it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► their publication it and just as bad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► those other ones you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► stifle Peter britannica but without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► approval of of the academic bigwigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► right you know it's what they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► have done is say we don't need their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► collaborative editing by the masses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► we're going to try to converge on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► truth and we're going to use all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► of ways to try to do that but our ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► aren't going to be the same as those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► other ways we're going to allow for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► example you know no original research if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► some guy landed on the moon and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► actually when I looked at this moon rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► that was a green thing under the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► and someone said it was blue but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► it was green nope sorry you can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► that in the Wikipedia entry because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► that's original research you can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► what you saw in the moon that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► verifiable that's you know that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► stupid like people just say well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► that's not what Kapiti is I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► saying what could I'm saying Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► should be something different and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► bad thing about what Wikipedia has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► turned out to be is that now it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► critical mass and now you can't be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► okay so fine like the finder guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► like why don't you make that new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► Wikipedia and make your own rules for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► and see how well that does well there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► certain point you know you get critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► mass and it's very difficult to overcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► that it's kind of like Microsoft Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► in the 90s you make a better operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► system Mac OS but at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► doesn't matter if your thing is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► the damage has been done the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► is is too big right I would like a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► in which we were all working together to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► try to arrive at truth using every tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► necessary not worrying about what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► rules of the past institutions that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► this were understanding this is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► medium with new techniques and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► this this desire to seek the approval of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► this old system with these the set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► rules that are very much like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► system causes Wikipedia to have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► these weird sequences to have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► this culture of people who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► delete things because they don't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► within these rules like nobody your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► mother would not have cared that that FD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► FF page didn't conform to the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► Wikipedia sat down now similarly she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► doesn't care that these other pages do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► conform to it she doesn't consider them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► any more authoritative you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► mean like they it's just it's just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► a horrible terrible mistake that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► made very early on and now there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► going back and so the final facet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► this is the people brought up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► chat room is inclusion it's versus Dilys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► inist even within the framework of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► wikipedia actually is there is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► debate between inclusion and deletion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► as' you can imagine where I fall on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► but where where do you fall in that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► debate I mean like occlusions first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► installation I then this is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► old-fashioned but I just hate to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► the deletion policy just feels wrong to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► me it just feels wrong well there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► no policy this is debate within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► Wikipedia community of inclusion as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► versus inflation it's but I'll summarize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► briefly the inclusion estar the ones who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► I would compete a rule conforming page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► on anything at all it should stay there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► and deletion is say even if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► well cited follows all the rules of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► Wikipedia page about a particular about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► the the plastic nub on a particular end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► of shoelaces and the story behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► manufacturer of that particular nub and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► some pictures of it and some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► had experiences manufacturing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► people you know it's like but it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► well sited fit within the rules they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► basically well you have to do that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6297">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► real encyclopedia because you can't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► the book the size of a skyscraper right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► but but there's no reason to do you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► saying there's no reason to do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► it's yeah only people say it's not paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► it's still there's no not running out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► web pages every time we make a web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► doesn't make you know a new one oh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► have to pull another web page we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► running out of web pages and so it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► inclusion of want have the most extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► inclusion say one end of the spectrum is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► everything is valid and the deletion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► estar more like if we print this out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► should be no thicker than a volume of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► Encyclopedia Brittanica so we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► have to say is this really important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► enough to get a page right so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► example there is no Dan Ben Jeanette Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► Britannica right unfortunate there is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► Wikipedia right so right away you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► see that what wikipedia is already know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► it's already way better than any real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► encyclopedia well they're saying like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► look we wouldn't have room with this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► a paper thing right because we got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► put in like World War two right and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► you know dinosaurs and other other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► things that are more significant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► Wikipedia say okay we can be we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6358">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► include like this is a continuum I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► trying to give the end of the spectrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► Wikipedia is not at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► continuum with a deletion of so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► like Encyclopedia Britannica so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► swinging a little bit towards there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► there's still Wikipedia is constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► battle about is this person important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► enough to have a page the notability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► thing not notable you've seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► debates to come up about this where some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► person who's very important in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► community will get a Wikipedia page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► somebody I assume somebody but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► particular person my page my page you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► mentioned mind it actually has that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► mine from October of 2010 says the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► notability guideline please help to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► establish notability by adding reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► secondary sources about the topic if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► cannot be established the article is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► likely to be merged redirected or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► deleted now the funny thing is since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► that was added which you can should I be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► looking at the view history or the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► section view history will show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► history of the page and talk is the meta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► page but talk has its own history it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6418">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► very very confusing now they have there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► has been so much discussion on this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► silly little page about me feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► it's like the screen full yeah it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► basically what the people have done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► I appreciate whoever it is that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► reliable secondary sources they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► source to CNN they have an article on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► something from gadgets and games they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► have a Fox News linked up fortune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► magazine a lot of different secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► sources I guess that establish my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► notability and they even have my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► middle name in here now um so it but yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► I guess so nobody has taken that notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► off even though because when it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► started that it was like a two-sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► thing that said you know Dan made some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► webpages and did five by five and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► responded to that and it's still there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► really don't understand how this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► you see that that's the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► about the inclusions persons deletion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► the deletion the inclusions would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► the notability is stupid because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► enough people want to get together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► write a page about dan benjamin that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► proof that alone is proof enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► this is this is unit right if just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► you're saying you're saying who does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► who does it hurt that this page is out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► there if there's five people who think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► it should be there why not leave it why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► take it away what's the concept of do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► pull it away why do that right yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► the crappy argument that comes up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► like well these pages aren't free to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► take up some amount of memory on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► server and stuff I think I will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► dismiss that out of hand because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► scale of things the amount of memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► insignificant that it might as well be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► zero if you really want if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► what's the most inclusion of stance you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► could take that takes into account you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► then we'll see how many people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► visit this page and pages that only get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► one visit per year get deleted off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► end of the super inclusion aspersion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► argument but but I truly believe that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► people want to contribute to this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► it shows that it's useful because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► very least for those five or ten people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► who are writing the stuff in there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► for their own personal reference like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► you know you want to put something up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► the web so the next time you google for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► it you'll find it right even if just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► helps us five or ten people so what but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► I bet this page gets way more hits than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► the five ten people who wrote it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► we want to know who the hell is Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► Benjamin it's not easy to find like Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► Benjamin's personal site where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► because people tend not to do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► I don't know this is too much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► egotistical or it's just hard to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► page of like look I know this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► website you made I know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► product but who the heck is Dan Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► well that's what Wikipedia people go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► a computer in site this page will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► explain who the heck Dan Benjamin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► right and you're saying what's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► what's the harm in that why not have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► siracusa page that's a shame idle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► think there should be one no please no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► I'm gonna but we're gonna ask us for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► to listen I'm going to call call two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► listeners right now if you know it see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► now you're canvassing a page will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► immediately get deleted no I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► I think you are notable why would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► immediately deleted Oh before you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► that let's discuss the notability thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► so once you once you lied no Genuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► once you let notability enter into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► then it becomes entirely like a a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► that is one before it starts because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► whoever gets to write the definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► notability determines whatever's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► there especially with people who have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► axe to grind I'm surprised you must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► not have a lot of enemies because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► page would not have sat here in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► this you know notability questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► state for such a long time you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► have enemies if you had more enemies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► like I forget who the page was there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► some open source contributor who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► probably on some product that had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► rival project and those people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► hated them now and they just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► marked for deletion jammed it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► the process same way like Congress jams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► through laws the people who know how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► it's got the page deleted and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► big outcry for you on going oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► before we even know it was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► cool person X's page was deleted from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► Wikipedia because notability and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► this whole big campaign to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► reinstated and I think it came back but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► the fact that that can happen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► one person who knows the system can Ram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► it through and get it killed out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► there are enough actually impartial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► people who really don't have any opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► one way or the other on dan benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► nevertheless totally agree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► person's definition of what should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► included in Wikipedia and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► basically anyone who wants a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► deleted that you don't think should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► deleted as a deletion ax stand anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► who wants to keep it as an inclusion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► so even those definitions are relative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► so if you think Dan painted page should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► be deleted you're a deletion ascend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► later if you think a different page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► should be included you're the inclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► is in that discussion but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► people I think you I think you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► have a page and I would like for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► listeners to make and I'll tell what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► you say that I don't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► detractors or whatever I think maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► just have one more one more fan the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► friend than then not because if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► one powerful Wikipedia enemy that page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► will be gone already uh because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► just get it well I do I sent I send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► Wikipedia a box of chocolates every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► couple weeks just keep it there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► notability the notability requirement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► falls into the same trap as looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► approval from the teachers and academics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► because what determines notability is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► like did you appear in a paper magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► who cares if you appeared in an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► that was read by 40 million people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► you appeared in a paper magazine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► has it that has a circulation of ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► thousand that's notable but if you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► a webpage on some stupid website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► had 40 million hits not notable because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► websites are not cool with the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► librarians because they're not paper the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► notability requirements they're evolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► but they started out and are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► incredibly crappy and it's such it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► perverse that this thing that exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► online wikipedia it is a product of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► online world has these rules that are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► rooted in the sort of the oligarchy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► the the past and the paper world i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► that's the right word there i'm just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► know the establishment of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► that came before it this this in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► attempt to gain approval from that world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► they are perverting themselves into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► horrible thing that you know they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► perverting they started out from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► terrible terrible mistake and the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► that these people on your wikipedia page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► are now spending all their energy trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► to like prove to some cabal that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► notable rather than spending their time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► and energy and making sure the page is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6778">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► accurate and adding information is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► and most people won't put up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► and that's why a lot of people including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► me have completely checked out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► contributing in any way to wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► because it's just like forget that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► understand what Kapiti is now and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► don't want have any part of that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► not to say they don't love reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► Wikipedia pages and appreciate the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► it's just there's no way that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► get involved that is I don't agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► the goals of the thing I don't agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► with the premise of the publication and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► you say well if you don't agree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► premise but you sure love the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► that came out of it I think within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► framework of those of those premises you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► can have good content but that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► mean I think it could be so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► and I don't want to get involved in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► process because I know it will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► frustrate me because it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► what I want out of Wikipedia and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► your own page getting finally getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► around to that that is like the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► curse because anyone can write any damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► thing they want about you on that page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► and you can't do a thing about yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► you're not supposed to edit your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► birthday for you down there but they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► the wrong person on me for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► you can't crack your own birthday be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► some stupid Wikipedia will revert that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6837">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► change insightful no you can't correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► your birthday you don't know when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► birthday is original research you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► supposed to and that's supposed to edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► your own no original resource you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► primary source you can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► correct your birthday I'm sure they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► Wikipedians out there saying actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► that's not true if you corrected your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► birthday we let that stand that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► clearly established within the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► over but this this is you know it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► is a curse to have your own Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► page because you have and they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► say well that's that's the blessing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► Wikipedia you have no the person has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► control over that page as well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► shouldn't they shouldn't have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► control over their own page because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► I'll just use it as a soapbox but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► like if the goal was truth and you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► something down there that everyone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► no one everyone agreed was true like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► know your birthday like do you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► take a picture your birth certificate no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► that's original research what you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► have to do and this finally brings me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► the xkcd comic letter put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► notes but you would have to do is take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► picture of your birth certificate then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► have a friend who works for Newsweek or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► other paper publication write a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► certificate and cite it and then finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► Wikipedia as a tertiary source can cite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► Newsweek talking about the picture you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► took of your own bar certificate and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► verifiable fact according to Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► so the xkcd articles called cite or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► Genesis which is a clever turn of phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► they're as usual for xkcd and it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► where citations come from and it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► somebody using Wikipedia this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► slightly different point but similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► someone using Wikipedia some are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► person writing an article for for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► valid source something that's printed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► dead trees or Time magazine or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► some web incarnation of us respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► Piper respected by important people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► were our parents when we were growing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► and they're writing an article they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► to look up something and they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► Wikipedia and they find an entry on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► Wikipedia entry for the scroll lock key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► that was put there by some random troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► like when they give us like the scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► lock key was designed by future Energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► Secretary Steven Chu and a college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► project someone just wrote that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► Wikipedia there wasn't enough vigilance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► it didn't get reverted even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► had no sources and some dude writing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► Newsweek picked it up then he writes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6956">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► in his article and then someone sees the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► Wikipedia article and says that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► true in fact I invented the scroll I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► that can possibly be true let me get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► of that thing on me let me revert that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► someone's no you can't revert that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► because here's a citation in Newsweek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► that shows it's true it's verifiable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► you can't tell them no seriously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► invented the scroll lock that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► it came to be and say well where is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► source citation needed I have a citation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► for Newsweek never minding the citation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► erroneous information it was put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► pathological case but it just shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► the many flaws in valuing verify ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► and reliability of sources it's built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► it's built on a foundation of sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► notability what's a reliable source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► those things become so key to making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► Wikipedia crappy or good and those sands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► are constantly always shifting you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► it and so if wikipedia was centered on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► truth and that was its final goal yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► would have to include citations and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► verifiability and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► there would never be any argument when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► two are in conflict you know that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► could prove that the series events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7017">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► happened here then you could say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7018">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► reliable source but it's not the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► and so therefore we should expunge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► because the final goal of Wikipedia is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► truth but the final goal of what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► be is not truth it's verifiability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► maybe maybe what Campinas will say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► being naive and there's no possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► of how that do you ever get the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► you have to have a set of rules rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► has to exist but to me it strikes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► entirely is that the set of rules that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► define Wikipedia are from a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► century and make Wikipedia worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► make me and many many other people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► have come in contact with PP did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► want to contribute to it in any possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► way because we feel we have nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► contribute and nothing to do because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► can't do original research I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► it when my things are cited I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► what the things people say about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► I see the inheritant bias in the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► that people say about everybody but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► you had lots of enemies I think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► could say horrible things about you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► your on your Wikipedia page you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► not correct them nor could anyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► knows better or anything you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► mean like it's a ripe for the especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► on these obscure articles like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► why the FT F F section the major content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► there is by somebody who hated the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► that's 100% advocacy but it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► because under the guise like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► fills with it falls within the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► the definition but your thing did not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► think they both don't and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► the entry would be if it was a full page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► on FD FF it would be much more bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► and informative and interesting entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► then the stupid paragraph from the axe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► grinder guy that's there now all this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► to say please don't make me a Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► page because it was just a nightmare and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► it will just frustrate me and to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► be honest I would I would and I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► I've said this before I would rather not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► not have one and I can't make my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► page go away it's like a time bomb to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► like you know like any day someone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► pissed off at you some stupid reason cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► they are the thing has been vandalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► already 20 times not just vandalism but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► passive-aggressively phrasing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► that are nevertheless verifiable you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► know like like that like the quote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► I read from the thing you know just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► well it's technically not against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► rules and it's kind of a for point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► view but you can tell they're just being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► like damn Benjamin made this website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► ostensibly a conclude constructed a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► pages it's why people said that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► wasn't good like in a site 3 story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► you know what's weird you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► weird is I had done a few pipeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► interviews with with somebody and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► forget what who it was but I I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► might have even just been Jeffrey's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► Elman and I put cuz this was early on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► he was like my first pipeline interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► and I added because there was a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► bunch of lists of interviews that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► this goes back to the original source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► thing and I had added a link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► interview that I did with him on - on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► the pipeline interview - his Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► entry and a self-promotional you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► write that's right and while I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7194">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► promoting myself I was promoting him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► of course I was naive I was naive enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► to to think that something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► would possibly be beneficial to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► not self-promotional to me and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► reason that comes up is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► they consider the motivation to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► important like we don't care if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► valid instructive information we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► be suspicious of anything that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► possibly be motivated by self-interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► right alright and be the deletion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► mindset is that look we can only have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► certain number of things that talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► Geoffrey's ailments page right is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► stupid thing so important that of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► Geoffrey's album page yours should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► one of them you can't be the judge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► that because obviously you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► there because you think your business so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► awesome and you want you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► interview to be there so if you were an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► inclusion you would say first of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► don't care whether this is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► important reach every cell to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► is it a interview with Jefferies Alban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► yes then fine then it's a secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► source and we should we can cite it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► right and B if you were if Wikipedia was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► but I wish it would be they would say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► don't care if this guy was motivated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► he's putting a link to an interview is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7256">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► it an interview with Jeffrey element yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7257">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► it is there it stays you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:01 ◼ ► mean right and that's the mindset you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7261">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► were you were thinking of and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► rules are so structured to be should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► so paranoid about that is like well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► can only have ten links people and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► cannot let the stand Benjamin jerker put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► in his random link to the interview now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► paragraph about him you know and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► issue that we found you know an install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► of an airplane bathroom well that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► notable but I knew Hughes was downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► 1 million times not notable because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► on a website and who's ever heard of Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► Benjamin in this you know it just drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► me nuts like it is it is countered to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► its own best interest all those rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► are set up to make it crappier and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► Beethoven here's a big here's a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► question than John it Wikipedia exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► is it a good thing or a bad thing as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► end result of all this it's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► than it not existing at all yeah clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► much better than a not existing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► it's just such a shame that it started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► off with with what I think is the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7315">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► set of rules and especially Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7316">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► Windows thing it's exactly like Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► where you're like look having everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► have a personal computer is great it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► just such a shame that the you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► they still it ended up being Windows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► it's not like you can snap your fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► I just make a better operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► all unseat Windows like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► Wikipedia you know you get that critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► mass in the same way Mac users were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► pissed that the worst operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► one quote unquote it's like but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► just like us too late now man its 1995 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► Windows is everywhere and it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► just pisses me off you know it's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► you can do about it this because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► windows is the man all right you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► wait till the next thing comes along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► finally like who owns the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► doesn't matter and you know tablets are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► goin up like that but should people stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► using Wikipedia I think it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► way to to unseat Wikipedia would be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► people to stop contributing to Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► and start contributing to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► better kind of like the same like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► only way to unseat Windows is people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► decide that Windows doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7376">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► anymore so what and we're all going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► go to mobile and write iOS app is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► an alternative to Wikipedia that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► could endorse I know no such thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► know what about what about Encyclopedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► Britannica's effort to put everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► they have online yeah that's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► want to go with you go with the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:15 ◼ ► publishers they're gonna go like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7395">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► know what if anything will ever unsee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► to its credit does have some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► process for evolving its guidelines but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► they started off in the wrong spot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► there's the way too far away from where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► I think they should be it may it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► just impossible to completely unsee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► Wikipedia just because of momentum maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► the best we can hope for is an evolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► but I know so many people who had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► first contact as a starter governs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► you with Wikipedia and said never again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► never again like that they didn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► like me stumbled in there being an idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7426">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► user not knowing what the heck Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► is got told what wikipedia was and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► oh well now that I know what capito is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► don't have any to do with that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7435">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► that's totally true for me like I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► to contribute I want to contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► the other thing I learnt do that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► where we all work together to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► truth I don't care about a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► verifiable stuff and I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► there's a conflict between how much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► love to read Wikipedia pages and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► much of value that the conscience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► there and this is a page for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► single thing like there's a page for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► tennis ball probably that explains what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► manufactured in the history of tennis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► balls I love the fact that that page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► exists but at the same time I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► never want to contribute to I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► I don't even understand in my mind how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► to contribute to a computer anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► certainly can't contribute any page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► I know anything about because now I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► primary source or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► right I can write and this isn't the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► to do how do you contribute to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► Wikipedia I could write an article in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► ours Technica and if they've deign to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► consider ARS technica a reliable source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► now then someone else could cite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► right article I wrote on ours Technica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► and then they will get the net so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► would write an article this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► works I write an article about you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► some project you have in your backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► to build a tree house I write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► article in ARS technica and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► else a third party write some Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:57 ◼ ► that Dan Benjamin is building a tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7497">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► house in his backyard citation my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► article where I talk to you you cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► tell them that you're building a tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► house in your backyard and this is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► life's work and you've decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► dedicate your life to it you know at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► very end of your things you started by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► by fire but then you decided to devote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► his entire life to building the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► most awesome tree house you cannot put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► that there even if it's true because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► truth doesn't matter only verifiability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► does and only through reliable sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:18 ◼ ► if I didn't write forest acting but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7518">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► wrote from my tumblr blog uh-uh not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► valid source personal blogs don't count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► and plus since I know you I'm not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► secondary source probably it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► doesn't make sense to me it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► way it's not the way the internet should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:32 ◼ ► work someone's parents are the reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7532">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► source doesn't say anything about paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:37 ◼ ► yes the things have been evolving but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7537">TS</a>]
02:05:40 ◼ ► effectively the rules start off very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7540">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► heavily favored towards like established [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:45 ◼ ► publications and then shifted like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7545">TS</a>]
02:05:46 ◼ ► establish locations and their websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7546">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► okay some blogs if they're well-known it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► all gets back to notability and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:52 ◼ ► it's it's all just one big giant appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7552">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► structure of Wikipedia because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7555">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► about who's important who's notable what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► sources are count is reliable and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► account is reliable because they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:05 ◼ ► established there's no criteria it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7565">TS</a>]
02:06:06 ◼ ► touchy feely BS and that's why there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7566">TS</a>]
02:06:09 ◼ ► so many stupid arguments about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7569">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► then people don't want to engage those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► arguments if well forget it like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:13 ◼ ► gonna win this argument you got your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7573">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► stupid Wikipedia it can be ruled by your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► book opinions do whatever the heck you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:17 ◼ ► want with it you know but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7577">TS</a>]
02:06:19 ◼ ► something that I want to be involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7579">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► I know very very very few people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► have thought you know not knowing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► Wikipedia got involved in it and stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:28 ◼ ► involved there there are rare breed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:30 ◼ ► Wikipedians most people I made got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7590">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► involved in editing Wikipedia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► immediately because it's not what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:41 ◼ ► boy have a grand a lot of heat male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7601">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► first one dealer now but you will get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:45 ◼ ► Wikipedia entry no I'm not I will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7605">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► you if you make a Wikipedia entry for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7609">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► I will not defend its how well I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:53 ◼ ► root for its deletion but I will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7613">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► contribute I don't think I've made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► contribution since the 2006 think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:57 ◼ ► even to fix a typo because I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7617">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► to be it it's just it's just a source of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► frustration and pain because like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► I wish mine I wish mine would go away I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► wish I wish it would get deleted you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► you know we I was I was telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► about that we went down that tangent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► one of that was I wish it would go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:14 ◼ ► I wish it would you know I can't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7634">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► publication is concerned and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► that's as is appropriate but the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► I think the reason you wish it would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► away is because you understand that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► this thing that has this increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► Authority especially now we're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► the parent people in your parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:31 ◼ ► generation will die off and the kids who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7651">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► want to decide it for their papers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► the establishment and they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► the old guard right Wikipedia will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► a certain Authority being Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:39 ◼ ► being the thing that got critical mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7659">TS</a>]
02:07:40 ◼ ► and in this thing that has Authority is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7660">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► going to be a bunch of crap about you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► questionable accuracy that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:46 ◼ ► correct even if it's just factually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7666">TS</a>]
02:07:49 ◼ ► publication works and that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7669">TS</a>]
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02:08:07 ◼ ► changed the entire entry to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7687">TS</a>]
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02:08:15 ◼ ► a jerk mm-hmm you know that's that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7695">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► Encyclopedia Britannica decided to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► you look like a jerk they could although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7702">TS</a>]
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02:08:42 ◼ ► governed the way things were put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7722">TS</a>]
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02:09:08 ◼ ► not governed by such an a in rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7748">TS</a>]
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02:09:58 ◼ ► gonna get that right you never know no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7798">TS</a>]
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02:10:02 ◼ ► publications with pages about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► should not be influenced by the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7804">TS</a>]
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02:10:11 ◼ ► valid to say that the person whose pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7811">TS</a>]
02:10:14 ◼ ► says can't edit it right yeah but I but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7814">TS</a>]
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02:10:19 ◼ ► you have the birthday wrong and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7819">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► person puts the correct birthday in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► unless somebody can conduce him I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► they can't do research unless someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:25 ◼ ► can cite I don't even know how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7825">TS</a>]
02:10:27 ◼ ► like what do you say is like a reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7827">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► saw that and said oh dan Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:32 ◼ ► updated his birthday and he thinks it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7832">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► this day well I'm going to go to the I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► going to research like you know on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7836">TS</a>]
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02:11:37 ◼ ► around no not usually I usually still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► have had reservations alright let's wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► it up before I give myself an aneurysm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7902">TS</a>]
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02:11:52 ◼ ► very angry there too I promise you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Iplbn6jo/7912">TS</a>]
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