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50: Maximum Deflection in All Directions

 

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00:00:02   you're listening to hypercritical weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2">TS</a>]

00:00:04   talkshow ruminating on exactly what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   wrong in the world of Apple related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6">TS</a>]

00:00:08   technologies and businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/8">TS</a>]

00:00:09   nothing is so perfect that it cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   complained about by my co-host John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   siracusa i'm dan benjamin today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/14">TS</a>]

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00:02:05   particle board I don't know it I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/125">TS</a>]

00:02:09   sure styrofoam I don't I can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/129">TS</a>]

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00:02:16   mention I don't and you said you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/136">TS</a>]

00:02:17   know if we'll get to it alright but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   have I have a clip cued up yes before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22   the show John said Dan there's a clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   that I would like to play is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   possible I said course it's possible I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   will do everything in my power not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/148">TS</a>]

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00:02:47   I will restrain fully restrain myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/167">TS</a>]

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00:02:50   ooh okay not yet no despite despite my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/170">TS</a>]

00:02:57   suggestion it is not called the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   soon yeah so we have a ton of feedback I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/179">TS</a>]

00:03:03   think the last show of where we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/183">TS</a>]

00:03:07   about I rambled about video game stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   incoherently for a while then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   very end did a little tour of video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   controllers and the point of that was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/194">TS</a>]

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00:03:20   complain about the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/200">TS</a>]

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00:03:25   to illuminate what I was I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   and we got a tremendous amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   feedback a lot of people mostly on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/210">TS</a>]

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00:03:35   this is the most feedback we ever got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/215">TS</a>]

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00:03:50   your own opinion but this was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/230">TS</a>]

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00:03:53   their stories about their experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   with controllers to add information to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/235">TS</a>]

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00:04:08   that we've had other long stretches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   this where we did like three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   shows in a row by programming languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   you know I'm here to tell you that we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   get through it together like it will end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/256">TS</a>]

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00:06:39   Tukey said I don't believe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/399">TS</a>]

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00:06:44   Richard Fineman I thought that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/404">TS</a>]

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00:07:05   was that when Tookie was counting in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/425">TS</a>]

00:07:09   head while he was while he was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/429">TS</a>]

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00:07:39   think the same the same thing I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   counting your head everyone does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/461">TS</a>]

00:07:42   the same way well it's amazing diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   of things that go on people's heads when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   we think we're all talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/466">TS</a>]

00:07:47   same thing we're not I think the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   of the episode was he was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   what yeah and that's for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   simple like counting imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   diversity of things that go on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   people's heads when doing complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   mathematics or the other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/477">TS</a>]

00:07:58   these guys did for a living and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   research I must be such a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   divergence between what everyone thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/482">TS</a>]

00:08:05   is doing the same thing working out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   equation or whatever that the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   that happen things that are happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/489">TS</a>]

00:08:10   people's brains are so wildly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   so I recommend reading as many books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   about Richard Feynman as you can I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/495">TS</a>]

00:08:16   read a couple of them and if you even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   you can don't buy the book there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/498">TS</a>]

00:08:19   of anecdotes you can find on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/499">TS</a>]

00:08:20   it's very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/500">TS</a>]

00:08:21   so that thank you to matthew Bogart for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   that I'll do a little bit on maths maths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/504">TS</a>]

00:08:28   as we know is what the English people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/508">TS</a>]

00:08:32   don't even know what the column see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   they'll just yell at me about that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/514">TS</a>]

00:08:35   would you like to to try to categorize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   the people who live on the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   islands to the north of France ah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   know the British people the English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   people I think I think British sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   good all right I'll just say people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/526">TS</a>]

00:08:50   the UK they say math than in America we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   say math without the S well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   we did get one good explanation and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   probably have a note as to who sent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/536">TS</a>]

00:08:59   but I can't remember if we saw it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   Twitter or if it was sent via the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   contact form but they said that maths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   plural like that is short for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/545">TS</a>]

00:09:08   mathematics yes I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   obvious I didn't write the name down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/550">TS</a>]

00:09:11   because yes of course we know I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   did you know is short for mathematics I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/553">TS</a>]

00:09:14   did yes but I having it put that way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/554">TS</a>]

00:09:18   that context makes sense in that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/558">TS</a>]

00:09:23   shortening the word mathematics and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   shorts down to mass yeah as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   just math no that's I know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   explanation I had heard that my time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   many many people told us that as if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   didn't know that and then that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   X that's the the canonical explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   of like well of course it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   maths because it's mathematic short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39   they give many other examples of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   words and ends and s when you shorten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   them you keep the s you know we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   that was just not the way it works in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46   America and it sounds very strange to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   that was the only point of that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/588">TS</a>]

00:09:49   not that we didn't under that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50   thought it was it does sound crazy to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   but not crazy as in we can't think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   logical reason for it but just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   if you're brought up hearing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   in a particular way any other way sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   crazy that's why I did put a link in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   show notes to a wonderful British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   explanation of mass if you would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   know from the British television program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   look around you which reveals that maths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   is actually an acronym and it stands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   an ultra truth justice mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   aunty tell har Sahar farting Septimus so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/616">TS</a>]

00:10:20   I would suggest everyone take a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   look around you it's an excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/622">TS</a>]

00:10:23   program very educational and brought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/623">TS</a>]

00:10:27   you by these fine people on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   islands to the north of France alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/629">TS</a>]

00:10:35   before we get to controllers we have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   piece of feedback on the show we did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/638">TS</a>]

00:10:41   while back that covered some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42   history of Nintendo Jonathan Flynn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   writes in to tell us that the NES didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   quite come out of nowhere like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   talked about the show I said they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   playing cards and then they were trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/650">TS</a>]

00:10:51   to find a way to make money and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52   have done the love hotels and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   instant rice and all these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   and he wanted to point out that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   are a bunch of things in tender did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   were not quite as the Virgin as love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   hotels and in rising taxi services there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   were vaguely toy related so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   site called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   the URLs blogged up before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   mário calm and it has a huge list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   the toys and games that Nintendo made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/671">TS</a>]

00:11:15   before making the NES and there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/675">TS</a>]

00:11:18   little baseball type game that you hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   in your hand mechanical baseball gay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   a rollercoaster thing some Lego looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   toys a love tester yes as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/685">TS</a>]

00:11:29   electronic device at least toy guns you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   can check out that page and see all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   toys they may before they got in tendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   so it's clear they were going in the toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36   direction they just hadn't really found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   anything that's stuck until I got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   NES alright time for controllers so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/700">TS</a>]

00:11:48   first some general feedback and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/708">TS</a>]

00:11:51   controllers that I mentioned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   octagonal surround around joysticks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   the past show and how I like that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/715">TS</a>]

00:11:56   Nintendo's controllers according to Andy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/716">TS</a>]

00:11:59   Herbert the technical term for that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   octagonal restrictor gate and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   existed in arcade machines long before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   they existed in NES home devices which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   makes sense if you think about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/728">TS</a>]

00:12:09   joysticks work on arcade machines even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   if there wasn't a visible on the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   it was underneath so pac-man had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   four-way once of the pac-man game it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   what looked like an analog stick but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   there was a restrictor gate under there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/739">TS</a>]

00:12:20   that made it clear when you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/740">TS</a>]

00:12:21   exactly up left-right something of worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   another one said eight way gates on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/743">TS</a>]

00:12:26   some people like those things some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   people don't we'll talk more about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   as we go on to later sections on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/749">TS</a>]

00:12:36   controllers controller prototypes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   I didn't really talk about are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/758">TS</a>]

00:12:39   very interesting and this comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   because in finding links for the further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   stuff we're going to talk about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   controllers I found a lot of old links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   to prototype controls and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   being very excited about seeing what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   new controller would look like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   consoles that actually changed our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   controller from generation to generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   so I put in some links to the prototype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   controllers for the NES and even some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/780">TS</a>]

00:13:05   prototype controllers for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/785">TS</a>]

00:13:06   PlayStation I want to pull some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   up now so I can look at them and discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/787">TS</a>]

00:13:10   them so the Sony prototyping tools that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/790">TS</a>]

00:13:13   I'm looking at that I put links into are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/793">TS</a>]

00:13:14   just foam mock-ups and an operational an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   or anything and they do look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   similar to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/798">TS</a>]

00:13:21   the current playstation controller or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   the original playstation troll it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/804">TS</a>]

00:13:25   deep data lap the little horns two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/805">TS</a>]

00:13:26   circles two shoulder buttons the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   interesting part to me is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   buttons on the button portion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   controller and at least one model aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/813">TS</a>]

00:13:37   exactly north-south-east-west [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   perpendicular to the straight line body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   of the controller one of them has four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   buttons and arranged in a very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/824">TS</a>]

00:13:45   kind of like a burners on a stove type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   pattern and they're tilted at an angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   to sort of like the angle your thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   might lay over them so it shows that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54   the very beginning before the place they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   can even exist it is a real product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   notice making foam mock-ups they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   have controllers that you know had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   acknowledgment of how you might hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   them versus simply being you know a line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/846">TS</a>]

00:14:10   drawing with everything at right angles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   in some CAD programs somewhere and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   also put in some links to the gamecube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   controller prototypes you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/855">TS</a>]

00:14:16   they publicly showed a bunch of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/856">TS</a>]

00:14:19   where they fiddled around with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/859">TS</a>]

00:14:22   buttons on their controllers the handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   used to be much longer and wider instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   of having a d-pad below the big analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   stick they had a model with the head a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/868">TS</a>]

00:14:29   red button down there the kidney shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   buttons that surrounded the giant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   button on the GameCube controller used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   to all be kidneys instead of making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/875">TS</a>]

00:14:36   B button round there was a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/876">TS</a>]

00:14:37   different models that they were actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/877">TS</a>]

00:14:38   willing to show to the public that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   looked very similar but were different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/880">TS</a>]

00:14:44   in subtle ways it wasn't intended was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/884">TS</a>]

00:14:45   constantly refining this playtesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   refining play testing and refining all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/887">TS</a>]

00:14:52   right so I got a try-hard on this last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/892">TS</a>]

00:14:56   man what do you do with it when I same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/896">TS</a>]

00:14:57   has two L's in a row it depends on if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   it's a in the begin banish'd name then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   it's a why sound right oh that's a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   didn't know that I don't know if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   spy don't know who you're the first name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   is Marcelino son Spanish Tim it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   Marcelino Yan oh yeah alright we go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/911">TS</a>]

00:15:15   that yeah so he went dead I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/915">TS</a>]

00:15:18   about why why the NES controller is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   rectangle and the straight lines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   these things and he says that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   the forms of shapes emerge from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/924">TS</a>]

00:15:25   convenience of the machines that produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   them so extruding and revolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   processes molds restrictions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   sometimes get in the way what you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33   want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34   and that's especially true back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   past right some machines we have now are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   much more complicated advanced than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/938">TS</a>]

00:15:39   were then so one of the reasons it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   just industrial designers like straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   lines and everything because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/943">TS</a>]

00:15:44   easy to draw with their pencils and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45   their you know drafting desks in 1962 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   it's because you know computers can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   curved lines anything but sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/950">TS</a>]

00:15:51   have to make something can be made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   the machines there are restrictions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   what we've got we've got an extrude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   oisin and then the rules of extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   oisin is you can't have walls thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   than this and you can't have curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/958">TS</a>]

00:15:59   sharper than that or you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/959">TS</a>]

00:16:00   sharp parts like this because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   cracks will forming or you have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   sort of routing machine that can only do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   certain radius isn't that there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   restrictions imposed by the machines if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   you want to get something that's cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   to manufacture and yeah the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   makes the cheapest you have an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12   machine it does the type of move and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   have to work within the constraints of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   that machine it makes a point at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   that modern companies especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   companies like Apple er are changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   that by instead of saying well what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25   of machines do you have for shaping you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   know plastic or metal and then we'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   to design something that can be cheaply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/989">TS</a>]

00:16:30   produced by those machines they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   the opposite as he says they create the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   machine to create the shape so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   decides what they want the thing to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   like and then they hire someone to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/997">TS</a>]

00:16:41   a machine can will make that shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   efficiently for them like so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   the reverse process and obviously that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:46   much more expensive involves big capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   investment and tooling and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   like that but when you're big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:50   like Apple you can do it especially back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:53   decades ago I think menu ease of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   manufacturing and the type of process is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:58   available especially for a mass-market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   product like a game console that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   mass-produced and sturdy and also had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:05   be cheap those were definitely factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:08   my wife was listening to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   yesterday and the two bits that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:13   wanted added was to remind me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   listeners cannot see my hand movements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   so apparently during the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   controller you were gesturing yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21   gesturing with my hands to show how a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   controller will be held when shape it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   sketching out things in the air with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   hand so I apologize to people who could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   not see my hands but trust me that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   definitely added a lot to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:32   explanation maybe we could do I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:36   know most of the time we don't do video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:37   we're fully capable of doing video maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   the next time that we do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:42   that we could record all of your all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:45   your movements and gestures well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   don't know if that's worth the downsides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   of video but yeah at aliens always talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   with their hands and I'm no exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   especially when trying to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   something that you hold alright so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   get to the meat of the controller stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   finally controller omissions lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   people wanted to write in to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   about the controllers that I left out or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   the things that I left out about always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   talk about right Andrew yang writes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   to tell me that I did not mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:09   shoulder buttons on the SNES I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   did but I went back and listened then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:12   he's right I didn't I should have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:16   could and yes NES did have shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   buttons on it ad they that could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21   been some of the explanation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   curved corners because your fingers kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23   of wrap around but the shoulder buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:24   were mostly on top so I put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   shownotes link to what those shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   buttons look like Sega Genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:33   controller that's one that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   people wrote in about and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   definitely should not have omitted I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   don't know how that slipped my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   there but in retrospect it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   one of the controllers that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45   have talked about in my tour of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:49   significant controllers obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   couldn't get every controller like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   knew I wasn't going to be able to put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   something about every single controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:55   that uh people want to hear about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:59   the Genesis was fairly significant so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   I'll talk a little bit about it now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   put the picture in the show notes if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   can pull that up you know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   talking about and if you're listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:07   you can pull it up and know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:08   talking about unless you're had a Sega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   Genesis and you already know how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:11   get how do they get to the show notes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   it's five by five TV slash hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16   slash number of the episode right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   this case 55 Oh yep and we want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   thanks Allah to help spot com for making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:24   the show notes possible yeah and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:27   show notes the last episode had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   longest show notes I think by far Vani [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   also have ever done and totally huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   list of Link's is great I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   episode will also have a big list links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   they already added a whole bunch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   there so the Genesis controller predates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   the the SNES controller it has a d-pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   on the left but it's an eight-way pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   because you've got the regular d-pad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   then you've also got like the 45s that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   you can tip it at on the right it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   three buttons in kind of an arc on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   angle to where so your thumb can sweep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   across them and it's got a start button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:57   up there but the shape of it it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   rectangle it's kind of like a boomerang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   with tiny little sort of nubs instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   horns like they weren't ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   full-fledged modern controller horns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09   poking up the bottom but it does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   these little nubs that you could like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:12   loop your fingers around to get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   leverage on the buttons it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   it it's definitely more ergonomic than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:21   the SNES controller which had things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   kind of at right-angles here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   are and it was basically a straight body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   but it's also kind of more organic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   this is where things get confusing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:30   is it there's a distinction between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   organic and organic organic shapes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:34   like oh there's no straight lines no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35   right angles and people tend to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   things that have organic shapes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   ergonomically that have organic shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   are done for style reasons like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   bodies of most modern cars have shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   that you could say or organic they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:47   shaped like like a sack filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:50   water or muscles stretching over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:51   something or they're curved shapes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   remind you of living things but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:56   is holding a car in their hand you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   it's not it's not that shape you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   aerodynamic something to do with - but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:01   it's not that shape because someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   gripping it in the same way a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   times consumer electronic products are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   made with organic shapes because we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   the manufacturing technology to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12   to break out of straight lines and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   angles but it doesn't necessarily mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:17   that they're manufactured with ergonomic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:18   sin mind for something it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   behold they didn't you know say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   what does this feel like the hold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:23   what's the best way to let it be held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   securely in a way that the fingers can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   touch all the things that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:31   supposed to touch a lot of times it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   organic shape that just looked really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   cool to the designer so I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:36   genesis has a little bit of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   definitely has a lot of ergonomics in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   with the layout of the buttons and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   they're arcing with your thumb and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:42   think the little horns they're also kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:46   of an ergonomic thing but overall like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:49   the why is the whole thing curved why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   the you know why are the top and bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   curved what does that really add to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   or is that I don't know it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   like on the borderline I'm suspicious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:57   because of that generation of consoles a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   lot of the consoles themselves also had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   our Ganic shapes and no one's holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   the consoles themselves in there playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:03   so a lot of it is also fashion but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   Genesis was definitely significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   controller and it was being much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   daring than the SNES controller in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   general Sega was trying to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:14   daring than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   in ten deterring that periods intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   was the incumbent and they were trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   to usurp them yes and a self-described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:22   Sega fanboy Marco Arment rights to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:26   me that it was shameful that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   that I left out the SNA a bid the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   genesis controller as he loved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   awesome eight way round d-pad then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:36   had many other comments on game consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   most of them are out of the scope of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:39   this discussion but I'm glad that uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   know this is his outing Marco is a gamer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   I don't think you guys have ever really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:45   talked about video games on his show no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   we never really have never Brian he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   don't think he's much of a gamer he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   you know he doesn't owned many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   consoles but really he's played them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   a child so the Genesis has a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:58   place in his heart and I apologize to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   people who have great affection for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   Genesis Genesis that I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   included its controller in there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:07   made you choose the specific controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   that you talked about why why were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   certain ones omitted um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:15   I mean that's a good question like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   seemed when I did it I didn't spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:18   lot of time fighting about which ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   should I include it was like oh I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21   know which ones I should include um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22   if I and again didn't know how genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   got locked out probably because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   just building up so many links and tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:27   that I was like I gotta trim this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:28   then just skipped over it mostly what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   was looking for was popular consoles so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:34   it's like I'm going to omit the obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   stuff right so things that sold in large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:37   numbers and if there was ever a conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:40   that would try to pick the most popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:41   one from that generation and I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:42   show a progression now as I get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   modern consoles I tried to do all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   them so I did 360 ps3 and we are well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:49   you know a little bit of the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   GameCube type thing there but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   older consoles there were so many ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:54   that most people are won't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   anymore and if if the points that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   wanted to make were made by the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   popular console controller I didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   to cover the more obscure one so one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:05   the other ones people talked about was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   Dreamcast controller and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   another one that I skipped if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   talked about the green Dreamcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   controller I probably would've been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:14   sidebar because I didn't particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:15   like the Dreamcast controller I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   it was uncomfortable because it had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:19   don't know what you would even call it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   think I put some pictures in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   notes about this but who had kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:24   like the underside was like two long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:27   rails that were parallel to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28   that you grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   it seemed very awkward to me like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   curled your fingers under the rim of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   them instead of wrapping your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:33   around something you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   yeah you see that picture in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   shownotes now I do I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:37   ever used a Dreamcast controller and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:41   also had the what was that thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   the V mu was called that the VMS in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:47   japan this is all for Wikipedia and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:48   VM in Europe is the visual memory unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   had this little slide II in PDA looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:54   thing that was a memory card but it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:55   had an LCD screen on that you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   know take out of one controller and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   into another it wasn't it wasn't a color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:02   LCD screen I don't think it looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   a little Gameboy itself you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   in the Wikipedia picture that we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09   talk forever about the Dreamcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   controller and why the Dreamcast didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   catch on a lot of people did like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   Dreamcast controller in my limited use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   of it I found it very uncomfortable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   you is very uncomfortable to hold those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19   rails like that like if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   shape of the controller from the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:22   it's one of the few controllers that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   can think of where the horns or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   little like lower things angle in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   instead of out obviously your hands are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   coming from a wider stance than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   controller so it seems like anything on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   a controller should angle out but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   were the underside was like parallel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   found it very awkward but I left that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:42   one out just because it is a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   obscure less successful thing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   point I wanted to make was not wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:49   be helped by exploring another control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:53   that I thought had some problems but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:54   did definitely have a lot of innovations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   there and that's true of all the ones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   skipped I mean I put a link to the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1558">TS</a>]

00:25:59   consoles page of Wikipedia in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   notes people written about Sega Master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:05   System Atari Jaguar turbo graphx 16 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   there's other obscure ones that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   wrote and about that I also could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   thrown in there you know the M - does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   anyone the chat room know what the m2 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   without googling it probably not 3do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   people at least heard of that CDI lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   of awful unsuccessful game machines with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:22   controllers that were strange mutant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26   derivation of the successful ones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   sometimes very innovative with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:29   innovative and scare quotes because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   were you know innovative to the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   being awful and it's it's too big a feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:36   so I really just wanted to hit on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:37   the major players and that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:41   picked what I did but Ghent Genesis I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   the Genesis was important because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   a sort of a rebel incarnation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   SNES whereas like well Nintendo dominate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   with NES we're going to end with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   Genesis we're going to come out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   market before the SNES and we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   to be more daring with our controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   designs that's why they should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   included to show that someone who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:01   have a you know they had the Sega Master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   System but they were they were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   usurp the leader and they were willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:05   to be more innovative in the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   designed to do so and we've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   you know modern history we like the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   trying to usurp the dominant force to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   the PlayStation by being very innovative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   with the controller a Logan Hall writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:19   in to say the Dreamcast controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   should have been included because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:21   a big influence on the Xbox Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   had a significant partnership with Sega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   on the Dreamcast project at one point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   think they were trying to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:30   Dreamcast on Windows I don't know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   ever actually did run any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   Windows offer but there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   relationship between those two companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   and a lot of people have see resemblance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40   in the Xbox controller and the Dreamcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   controller let me squint you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   see it I guess certainly they didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   the vmu or anything like that and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   xbox controller though the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:54   got a lot of feedback up about besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:55   oh missions were non-standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   controllers controllers that were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   included with systems and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00   intentionally avoiding all those because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   like if you think the world the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   control which is big the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   aftermarket their body controllers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   even first party controllers that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:08   sold after the fact that's just enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   but there are a couple of significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   innovations that are worth talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   I think one of them was the NES max got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:19   at do I not have the NES max open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   the thing here I got to find that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:26   you ever play with the NES marek never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   now when it came up I'd heard of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:32   before but I had the wrong thing in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   head I was thinking of the NES advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   which is the big arcade style joystick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39   do you ever play with that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   that I'd not use that all right all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:45   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:46   actually pull this up because somehow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47   did not get this thing where it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:52   be so this was a rien Moonen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:56   sorry reading I got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   your first name or last name the NES max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   looked like an NES controller but it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   kind of horns pokin not not really horns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:06   that poke down but like little it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   like an upside down u shape so in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   respect it was like the genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:11   controller but less organic shape but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   with like more prominent horns poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   down from it and it was an aftermarket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:17   controller because it had things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   turbo buttons on it where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   press that button to make it as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:25   were firing the a or the B button faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   than you could humanly fired unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   had really really put in a lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   with summer games and developed a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   of twitching your muscles such that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:35   the your finger was moving imperceptibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   but repeatedly activating the button and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   that was an important skill to have when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   the aliens come and someone needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:42   press a button hundreds or thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   times a second somewhere some kid who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:47   had an NES who is not a dolt will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   ready but anyway it had that feature it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   also had like this slighty disc thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   the middle of what where the d-pad would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   be and it has surrounding circular ring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   where you could press in eight different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   directions I never spent any time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   this so I don't really know how it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03   feel to use that little slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   discipling instead of a d-pad but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   what did after market is for after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   market is for things that they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   confident enough in to put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   standard controller but people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   enjoy a few people might enjoy might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:18   willing to spend a little bit of extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:19   money to try it out and then found that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   dnes advantage that I had already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   mentioned was supposed to look like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   arcade stick had a big joystick with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   ball a top of it poking out just like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   arcade machine and it was a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:32   with the metal bottom and rubber feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   and you put it on a tabletop instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35   holding in your hands and had two huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   buttons kind of arcade sized buttons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38   it also had turbos on them with dials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   that you could adjust the rate of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   turbos there were also slow motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:46   things where it would simulate slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   motion by repeatedly sending the signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   for the I forget if it's a start or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   select key but one of the keys that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   would pause the games they would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   pause play pause play pause play to slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   down the motion in games that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   having trouble beating because you lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   the hand-eye coordination to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:02   successfully pass that particular level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   in Megaman and I'm sure many kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   appreciated that although it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   a hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   John foggers writes in to tell me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   the I gave the PlayStation controllers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   little bit short shrift when I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   about the DualShock because there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19   actually an analog stick for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:24   PlayStation before the DualShock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27   that was the playstation analog joystick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31   as it was called I looked just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   DualShock but the handles are longer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:37   it was released for a bunch of Japanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   titles that supposedly benefited from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   analog control but it was kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   it was kind of weird where you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:44   well can I use the analog sticks with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   this particular game has this game been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47   designed for the analog sticks other was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   apparently three different analog modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   that you could put it into it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:52   of I mean it was an official product but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   it wasn't it wasn't the complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   revolution like the n64 was where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   you know of course the game works with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   the analog stick on the n64 it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   with the system that you're expected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06   work that this was definitely an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:07   aftermarket thing and it was released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   the United States after was least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   Japan as things always were done back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   then but it's very shortly after was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   loose the United States the DualShock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:16   was released in Japan and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   eventually dual stock came to the US and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:19   just wiped out all memory of the analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   joystick and it can be argued that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   dual analog controller not the doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:29   electronically I've got it now the dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   analog controller was a a I swapped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   names for the analog joystick is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   name of the thing that I'm about to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37   about so the PlayStation analog joystick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   was too huge like flight stick looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   things poking out of a thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   put on a table and it can be argued that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   the dual analog controller which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   kind of like the DualShock without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   shock and longer horns is simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   miniaturized derivation of the dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   analog controller where they took those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:54   two giant analog sticks they had for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   flight sim games and robot games and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   them in miniature form and tack them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   onto their controller there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   apparently even the dual analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   controller even had some sort of rumble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   feature so I'm not quite sure why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   name DualShock only came in later if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   dual analog controller actually had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   Rumble in it I know but credit where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:17   credit is due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   Sony did have analog sticks tacked on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   strange locations before the DualShock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:24   and I asked I asked onfocus who's he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   talking about this well and he said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   hated the the dual analog controller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   I'm looking at it I'm like well other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   than the longer horns what was the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   deal it looks doesn't look that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   different than the DualShock what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36   what was worse about it and why did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   sort of become extinct and the DualShock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   took its place and he mentioned that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:43   weirdly long horns bothered him he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:47   didn't like the three different analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   modes there was no push down on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   analog stick buttons I don't see that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:52   a big downside I think those that push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   down the Alec stick buttons are weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   these sticks themselves were concave on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   the top but were slippery instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   having that grippy rubber and it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   came in gray so his reasons for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   disliking the that the analog it is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   of like a transitional like in the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   earth all branch of the tree that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   died out and then we had the dual the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   DualShock what who shape came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14   dominate and speaking of strange shapes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:20   that uh that they're sort of dead ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   the evolutionary tree a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:24   brought up the the Wii classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   controller have you ever seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   yes our Wii classic controller that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:31   the thing that came out around the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   that they announced the ability for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:38   to download the classic I guess they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   were SNES and maybe some NES games and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   guess it wasn't as easy or convenient to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   hold the Wii sideways and use it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   way and there were some I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   functions that were missing from it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:53   that is that the premise behind it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56   confusing to me too because that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   did design the Wii controller so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   you said you could hold it sideways and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   if you hold it sideways and you squint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   you can say all that now there's a d-pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   right and you've got two buttons they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   in line with each other so it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   looks like an NES control and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   play you know you can download Super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   Mario Brothers for the NES and the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   Virtual Console and play it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   sideways Wiimote alright at but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:20   decided they wanted to have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   controller for that I guess and what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   looks like it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   so if you look at it it looks kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   like a blobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31   Lauzon shape and its got a d-pad on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:36   left and the primary control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   location and four buttons in a squash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   cross SNES style a B and X and y and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:43   then tuck down below it insert of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:46   PlayStation analog stick location are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   two analog sticks so this weird hybrid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   enter shoulder buttons and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53   stuff and there's actually a what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   called the Classic Controller Pro which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   is that same controller with two horns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   sticking out of it so it's very it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   kind of odd to me and but the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   reason I didn't bring it up is I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   alright so it looks like an SNES control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   with two analog sticks right and I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10   of give it a pass because it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   the classic controller and presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   you're playing classic games with it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   if you're going to play an NES game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   an SNES game it makes sense to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   controller shaped like an NES or SNES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   because those games are selling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   people based on nostalgia and the d-pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   is the primary control for NES and SNES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   games right so should it not be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   primary control spot a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   saying why didn't you complain about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   classic controller looks just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:32   PlayStation controller in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:33   layout albeit without the horn so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36   the pro version does have the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:37   horns I get to pass because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   classic controller you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   use the d-pad to do you know so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   should be set up like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:48   now the problem comes in where the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:53   you can play GameCube games on and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:57   say oh you know plug in your classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   control and you can play GameCube games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   with it well aim cube games the analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   control was the primary control and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:03   of a sudden you're telling me to play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   GameCube game with the Ness NES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   controller basically with analog sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:08   tacked on that makes me angry but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:12   Wii has GameCube controller ports on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   so I never even considered buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   classic controller because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   really play a lot of the NES and SNES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18   games when I play GameCube games I plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   in one of my many GameCube controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   and that's a much better experience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   would never play a GameCube game with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   the classic control that would just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:28   very strange hmm awkward uh but on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:33   topic a couple people wrote in to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2253">TS</a>]

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00:37:36   but apparently I don't to tell me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37   modern-day Weez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   oh it's has been in Norway game it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   the first one to write this information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42   and many others did modern-day we do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   have GameCube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:46   support in them the 2012 we's if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   were to go into a store now and buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49   Wii console that had shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:50   star in 2012 they removed GameCubes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:54   apart there's no more GameCube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:55   controller ports on the side there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:56   more GameCube memory slots nothing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:00   the I don't think the drive will even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   let you insert a one of those miniature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03   GameCube discs and I have done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   previous episode we just talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:07   how backward compatibility is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   used as a boon to get people to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   to the next-generation ball and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12   protecting their investment old games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:13   but that eventually they always drop it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   because it's a well we can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   Machine more cheaply if we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   backward compatibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   it's especially egregious in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   the Wii though because as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   the Wii is really just the same CPU GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   combination as the Gamecube only higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:32   clock speed and with a few additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   features and then a bunch of other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   tacked on to it like Wi-Fi and flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:36   memory and stuff like that so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   like in the case of the ps3 where when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   they had ps2 compatibility they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:42   basically stick an entire ps2 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43   single chip inside the ps3 and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:47   how you get your ps2 compatibility it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:48   not really padded Billy they just shove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   the ps2 on the motherboard along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   the ps3 stuff and it's way cheaper for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   them to just ditch all that and say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   here's your ps3 no more ps2 support we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   can make this board much cheaper if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   just amid all those chips in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   the Wii I maybe they could get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:05   some I Oh controllers for the memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06   cards and for the four controller ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:10   but I imagine that was all condensed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   down into a couple of small chips anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:15   but the main thing there getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:16   are all those ports themselves and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   always heard that adding ports adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   connectors or slots or anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   surprisingly expensive on electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:24   components and the more of those you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   get rid of the you know it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   reduces manufacturing costs much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   than you would think it would was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   well what's the big deals just in holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   in a case and some metal connectors just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34   everything associated with it with every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   connector really does add cost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   there's only so far you can get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:39   cost down we're just I always thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   was also one of the reasons that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   wants to reduce the number of ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   because you know it's that every one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   those holes every one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:49   connectors on every one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   that has to be durable enough of someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51   to stick something in and out of and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   catch on fire and not wiggle loose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   not corrode and be sturdy and have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   you know the correct analog circuitry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   avoid arcing and sparks and overloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   and all its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   often in the kayo control is for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:05   stop adds up so it really is a shame I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:08   think that Nintendo ditched the GameCube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   support but I can kind of see a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   for it if they really just want to drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:16   the cost of the Wii console down down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17   further and further presumably they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   already got all the chips that make up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   what we consolidated into a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   I usually pretty good about doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   from the beginning I should have put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   that in the show it's one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   motherboard and of course we all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31   favorite motherboards right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   it means Steve Jobs one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:36   motherboards ever was the Nintendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   GameCube motherboard the Gamecube maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:40   my favorite console ever in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   hardware design in terms of balancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   cost of manufacturing with the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   that you get from it you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   compromises and every time you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:49   some of this you want to make it cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:50   enough to buy you want to be powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   but you want it to be easy to program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53   but you want it to be sturdy and small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:56   and not too noisy and just you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:59   a series of compromises but underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   all this it's amazing to me that you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   be the motherboard for the Gamecube is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   just such a beautiful object if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   get one of those in a frame I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:09   mean google it now do you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:14   looks like off an not offhand why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   want while you google it were 40 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   in let me do our first sponsor ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2479">TS</a>]

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00:42:20   get in there before January 31st 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   harvest I was going to say that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:29   I have on my hard drive somewhere my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   personally saved high-resolution copy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   the of a picture of the Gamecube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   motherboard because I loved it so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   and I probably do so maybe I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:38   actually upload that and put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   notes but for now I found one on Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   Image Search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:42   it just Google for a GameCube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   motherboard you'll find it so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   look at like the PlayStation 1 or 2 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:50   did I do an article in it someone KJ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   healing a chatroom is found it's found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:53   an article that I wrote about it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   you go I wrote a whole article about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:56   much I love the motherboard from the fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:59   pits blog 5 years ago that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   didn't remember I'm an old man I'll put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   that in the show notes if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   like the PlayStation 2 with the Xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:07   motherboard somebody's really good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   this well they will they will launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:10   their console where they can just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:11   know just make it manufacturable and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   usually lose money on it in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   iteration and then they constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:18   refine it how can we get this to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   fewer chips of the process shrinks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   everything let's combine these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   that used to be two chip chips into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   chip let's combine those four chips into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   one chip and just keep going till you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:26   can get your entire previous generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   console on a single chip right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   Nintendo has it has done a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:35   that in recent years and certainly done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:36   that with the remakes of the NES and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   iterations of the Gamecube but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   their consoles they've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:42   historically of the opinion that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   should make profit from day one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   they should not make a console that cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   them five hundred dollars to build they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:49   sell for 200 bucks and just rely on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   fact that Moore's law will make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:52   thing cheaper to manufacture so the down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   the line they can be making money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:57   they'll make it up in games in Tendo has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:58   always been kind of especially this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   smells to me like Hiroshi emojis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:03   Yamauchi sorry his sort of mo we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06   why should we lose money we have such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   fabulous product we're awesome we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   pay us and we should make money on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:11   console we build from day one and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   it's too expensive won't find a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   make it less expensive because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:17   going to take a loss on the console why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   would I take a loss this is an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   thing that we're building they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   pay us and we should make money like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   very as a Vince to go says a very Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:26   like thinking like you know we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   make money shouldn't wait let's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   money so in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   supposedly again we don't know for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   fact because Nintendo keeps us stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   pretty close to the best but supposedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   has always made money on its consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:36   from day one which is flies in the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   of what everyone else the industry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:39   done and you can look at that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   reason I think they're impressive if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   look at the GameCube motherboard this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   was the Gamecube motherboard on day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   of the Gamecube obviously the the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   looks vaguely cube shaped so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   motherboard is basically a square in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   center of the square is one almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:58   centered exactly the square is one big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2698">TS</a>]

00:44:59   giant chip which is the GPU by ATI and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:04   bunch of other stuff TechEd in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:05   then above it centered again slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   smaller square is the IBM PowerPC CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:11   and then below the big square thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   the middle are what I believe the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   memory chips and then there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   diodes and resistors another surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   mount things and through holes for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   the i/o connectors but that's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   the whole motherboard did you pull up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:27   this picture yet yes is that not a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30   of beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:30   what CPU GPU - chips of memory square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:34   motherboard and that's basically I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   obviously stuff on the underside and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   all the connectors and all the analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:39   components and the power supply and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   lot of stuff but this thing is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   of beauty and to imagine like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   not revision 17 of this where they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   out with this on day one this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48   amazing triumph of engineering I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   probably I'm just repeating everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   that's in my in the article here anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   I encourage everyone to read it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   this is bowed down before it in the yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   and it is it is a nice-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:02   motherboard sure yeah I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   that's kind of it reminds me of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   Steve Jobs stories like I don't like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:07   the traces on this motherboard look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   let's redesign them the engineers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:10   like that's crazy and they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   ignored him it's amazing when it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   comes together when you can say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:15   going to make a machine that is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   powerful than the dominant leader it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   more powerful in the PlayStation 2 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   people can argue about with the size the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   disk enough but I think it was easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   program for relative to our competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   make a profit from day one sell it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:31   cheaply and have such a beautiful board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   that like combining it you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   combine the CPU and GPU which we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:37   I know they eventually did but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40   pretty it's pretty minimal you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41   I think later in the article I linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   the Xbox motherboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   to contrast it to the Gamecube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   motherboards it's a wide difference god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   I cannot calm these tangents we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   get through this yeah so we can read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55   article about the GameCube motherboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:58   there another third-party controller now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   we're getting to the monitor many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   sent me links to mad Katz's major league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:05   gaming pro circuit controller the Xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   360 Mad Catz by the way is conveniently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   ends in an S CA TZ nicely sidestepping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:13   the s apostrophe s issues the iPad right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   so like it Z you just do apostrophe s no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   fuss this incidentally is the same Cano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:25   this is not the same thing all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26   I'll get to that the next thing alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:27   so if you look at this what it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   like is an Xbox 360 controller with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   analog stick up on the left and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   secondary analog stick down below the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:36   buttons which are in a nice cross shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:37   and then this little d-pad the tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   bit about it is that all those controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   the two analog sticks and the d-pad are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   removable they're like they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   sockets so you can take the faceplate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   off and take the D to D pads the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   analog sticks and d-pad out of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   sockets and rearrange them any way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:55   want so if you want both your analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   sticks down and kind of the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   location because that's comfortable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   you you can put them there if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:01   them styled like an Xbox you can in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   theory I guess you could probably put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   the two analog sticks next to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   on the left side although I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   how you would use them this is a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   piece of hardware obviously any time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   have configurable controllers it reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   me that the Razer mice that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   configured with different weights inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:17   them and stuff like that and okay they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:20   even have different analog sticks if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   prefer convex analog stick to a concave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   one you can just take them you know swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   them out for each other there are weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   clips that you clip on to it to give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   the right balance and weight that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   want this is some serious stuff and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   this is what third party controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   should be there shouldn't be cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:35   pieces of crap that try to imitate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:36   imitate the first party controllers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   fail and feel cheap they should be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   you know high-end type of things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44   more advanced intelligent something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   that's better than the first party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   controller was so many third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   control to historically have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:49   better than the first party controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   isn't it and the only point would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   like well you can save ten bucks now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:55   I applaud Mad Catz for this this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   and the other one I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58   is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2938">TS</a>]

00:48:58   and control adventure this is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   that had the big blowup with Penny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   Arcade recently it wasn't the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   that makes the controller it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   person that I had doing near PR and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   bad in a bad way yeah and so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   link to the Penny Arcade story and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:15   is kind of a sideshow but he was a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   PR person but the controller itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   very interesting how to describe it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:24   not really a controller so much as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   thing that attached your controller kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   of like the alien attaches to faces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   the face huggers right this thing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   controller is interesting uh and I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:36   many pictures of this and I said I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   like how how the hell is this thing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:39   gonna work are you looking at a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   of it now yes it looks like us like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   are those tubes they have liquid in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   is it I don't how does it what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:48   advantage of this or why would you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:49   want to do this it looks like it control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   that it's strapping onto your thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   it's it's got these little devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:54   are poised over the buttons on your xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   you have this an engine that's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   here oh I got all this yeah don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   know dad uh yeah it's a very weird uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   it's a very weird looking thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   almost looks like you've use your knees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   to bump it boom yeah I'm like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   ever seen something in a car where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:12   perhaps somebody who doesn't have full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   use of their limbs or something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:16   have an attachment that allows them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   drive without maybe foot controls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   something it like like that it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23   looks like something like that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   you had an extra appendage leave that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:28   your imagination but an extra bandage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   that you wanted to use to control some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   of the games there's little levers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   other things coming out of it extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   buttons extra things it it really looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   like something from buckaroo banzai and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   some of the stories that I click to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   through reading the Penny Arcade you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   know PR Fiasco with that PR guy yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   where are people saying that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   controller was of interest to disabled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   gamers who have you know a lady ghost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   some more their limbs and so I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   trying to get a handle alright so is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   this something let's people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   have limited use of their hands or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   other physical problem it helps them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   be able to play games or is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   something like like the Mad Catz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   controller where it's like for super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   duper pros it seems like it's both and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   that I had it explained to me by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   googling around and finding videos of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   people demonstrating this so I put one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   of the YouTube video in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   link and you can see the person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:21   demonstrating how to play with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   why you might want to do it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   upshot for me I think is that it allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   obviously if you can't do the movements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   that are required to hold a regular Xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   controller this thing uses different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   movements and if that you find those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   movements easier you know for your range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:38   of physical abilities that's that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   so it's good for disabled people in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   way but for pro people the the sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:44   seems to be have both of your thumbs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   the analog sticks when you're playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48   first-person shooter because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   one is your movement and one is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   you look right and don't have to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   them and most first-person should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   try to do that they try to say okay put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   your left thumb here but your right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57   thumb there move look at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   without having to move those and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   use your trigger fingers to fire your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   gun and hit shoulder buttons and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:04   like that ah the trouble is those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   daren't face buttons because you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   already got both your thumbs occupied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   and underneath you've got your fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   using the triggers and shoulders but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   game's inevitably use those face buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   so to switch weapons to to duck to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   into different stances to do you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   lean toward you all the things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   might do and so what do you hit those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   with your tongue alright so this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   setup allows you to keep both your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   thumbs on the the analog sticks use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:34   fingers below for the triggers but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   use your fingers below you know so using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   your fingers to pull on the triggers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39   shoulder buttons but to push your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   fingers outwards to hit a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   levers which will transfer transform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   that motion into downward motion on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   buttons is actually even elastic strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   on the bottom that you twitch those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   elastic strings and that pulls the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:54   triggers for you so you get more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   hair-trigger effect and the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   things that are poised over the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   on the face of the controller have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3178">TS</a>]

00:52:59   adjustable little dials on them to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   them you know you spin them down so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   just almost to the contact point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   X button so you just barely need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   flick that thing to hit the X button to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:08   you know switch weapons or change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   stances or something this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   interesting third-party product to me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   I can see what everyone was excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   about it and the Penny Arcade thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   kind of a sideshow or it's like no the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   product itself that we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:20   controlling about it's this one PR guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   who was a jerk um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   although apparently there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25   delays in getting this product to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   I think the popularity of it has perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   exceeded their expectations or or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:33   there's just some sort of manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:34   problem but some people have had it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   their hand so I suggest everyone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:37   interested in this look at that video if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   you haven't seen it already I put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   the show notes of someone demonstrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   how this thing works and it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   interesting and innovative and amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   of course what it says to me is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   reinforces to my my personal notion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   first-person shooters are much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   play with a mouse a keyboard that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   did controller is not the right tool for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   that job and attaching this facehugger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02   to the controller perhaps makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   better suited and gives you an edge when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   playing these type of games but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   still much rather play a first-person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   shooter with the mouse and a keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:10   and it can be argued the keyboard is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:11   crappy tool for this too but at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   least you know the mouse gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   freedom to look round on the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   you have five fingers and many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   keys and you can arrange things in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   different ways and customize them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   get custom keypads so I think with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   stock mouse and keyboard is a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   tool for a Brooklyn shooter than a stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   controller but maybe this thing maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   this thing gives a it narrows that gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   slightly alright is this going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:37   last one and we'll see so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:43   playstation controller which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   complained about in the last show there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   were as expected some defenders of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   playstation controller some of them gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   me replies on Twitter and emails I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   couldn't tell if they were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   make a joke by exactly saying things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   that I said that PlayStation fans would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   say sometimes word-for-word or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:03   were just serious and I thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04   were serious but I think some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07   more serious but you know the the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   I said I know you're going to say X Y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   and Z's because I thought that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12   they were going to say and they did so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   don't know its self-fulfilling prophecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   but one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   Dave Cheney from our chat room D singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   the chatroom gave a very long very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24   very well composed reply did you see his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   email and I did get so much feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   from all the different shows I I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   do and I have it I have it here there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   I have about a hundred 200 emails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:37   in the hypercritical folder and his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:43   had inline pictures is that correct then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   let me pull this one out I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   there it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   this one was sent on the no I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   at an older one from him hold on me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   pull up the newer one actually when what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56   does this one date it oh I gotta look it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3356">TS</a>]

00:56:00   up I had it open in my window by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   night bunch from this guy yeah this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:04   is dated two days ago the 11th no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:09   don't have this one that one on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   machine all right well can you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   eroded he formatted he included photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   to demonstrate his points interspersed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   with the writing big high-resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   photos and I think it's he deserves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   airtime for this all he sent it straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   to me saying he didn't send it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   five of us why'd you cancel I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   I have one well I actually have one from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   him talking about Steve Jobs name the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   apostrophe s that but I do not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   this one yes he's a longtime listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:39   I'll send this one so it so he said yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   it's always that they always say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   when they want to be read on their well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   I'm not going to read it so much longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47   to address his points because it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   very long email because I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   this this level of effort in feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   deserves airtime so he's going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   his air time and all right so his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3415">TS</a>]

00:57:02   comment is complaining about how I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   that the position of the analog controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:05   was not the natural place that my thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   would fall when holding the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   and I there's two aspects of this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:15   was talking about the assumption that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   where the d-pad is on a Playstation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   krohler is the primary control position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   I always keep using that term it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   you know that's that's the optimal place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   to put the controls right and he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   that that's not necessarily safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31   assumption why do you think where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   d-pad is and the PlayStation controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   is the is the best location just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   that's where they put things and as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   pointed on their own show lob the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:39   decisions they made for the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   control may have seen his control we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:42   not based on ergonomics so why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   that you think that that is the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:47   that primary control location is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   best place for the controller maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:50   other place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51   is better um and he demonstrates that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   providing pictures of his own hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   holding a PlayStation controller I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:56   tell if it's a dual Dual Shock 2 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   three but they look the same which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   kind of my point holding the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   controlled to show that really is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   natural position so he shows himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   grabbing the controller putting his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   fingers underneath it you know and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:09   laying his hands on top of it and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:10   look see it's it's perfectly natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   with my thumbs fall exactly on the thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   sticks my comment on this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:20   bristle everyone's hands are different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   so and different sizes and things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:25   comfortable to different people all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   controller design is a compromise of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   some kind where you're trying to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   control if it's as many people's hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   as possible I however do not buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   notion that these that the position that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:39   the d-pad is in is not the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   control location and I think his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:42   picture demonstrates that if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   his final picture in a series did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:45   get this email yet by the way I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:47   have a brand new email from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   forwarded from him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   yeah can you the picture show for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   there is a picture and in his hands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   perhaps it's the way the dis angles uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   he looks he looks a little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   Andre the Giant with the way that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   ears are sized it's the controller looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:04   he's sort of again people are not able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:07   to send maybe never see this so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   the jeff'd imagine imagine Andre the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:11   Giant holding a matchbox you know if for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:17   the for those of you have never held a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   matchbox these are things that very old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:20   people used to use uh it's he's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:23   balancing the matchbox on the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   fingers of his of his hand it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29   tiny I don't even know how somebody this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   large would use regular household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   objects like you could imagine you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   the largest sized mug that the normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   person would say is far too big to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   for him that's a teacup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   he's clearly enormous alright so look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:46   the very last pictures three pictures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   there see the last picture where his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:49   hands are kind of in the final position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   how could he you that's reducing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:57   isn't real nobody sigil illusion cos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   they're closer to the camera it has got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   huge it's freakish the point I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   make about this this final position is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   showing showing how the hands are in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:07   natural position there is that in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:10   final shot there's no way he can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   shoulder buttons with this index fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   and that's kind of that's true what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   what I'm getting at is that if you grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   the thing in a natural way actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   gripping a little horn right how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   get your fingers around gripping in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   handshake type grip your thumbs fall on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   where the d-pad is and the reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   have to fall there is because well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   if they don't have the hell you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:31   reach l1 and l2 and r1 and r2 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33   right and technically he could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   reach it with his fingertips likes those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   fingers one of those double-jointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   people who can can bend just the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:42   top part of your finger can you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   you strike me as a double-jointed person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   no you can't do that where you bend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50   first knuckle backwards no you put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   fingers straight up yeah and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:54   look at your fingers as little does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:55   hinges in them so the the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   place where your finger can bend yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   starting from your finger right just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   bend your finger there don't bend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:02   anywhere else no I can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   no double-jointed people can do that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   you die no I cannot I thought maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   guitar thing with a lot of guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   players have uh very dexterous fingers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   can I know I can do I can do that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   of thing with my fingers but I can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:15   can't just Bend just that yeah by itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:19   so anyway that that's my point that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   you grip the thing in that manner where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   you think your hands are comfortable on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   the thing you can't reach the shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:28   buttons and detuning the chat room says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   I'm gripping it too hard it's not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:31   hard gripping it's about being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   operate the shoulder bones lots of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   use the shoulder buttons at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:36   time as used analog stick and if but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   you sort of what I consider a natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   grip is like a handshake grip and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   of ergonomic things are made to like be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   you know a hand shit you know how your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   hands work naturally just like Greta and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:46   I'll grabbing a tree branch or Gladys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   guy take the picture if he's holding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   head mount camera you don't know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   was know it's like a little headband you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:56   just the camera dancer so large he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   do he could enter a contest or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   they're huge it's an optical illusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:03   alright so so I do think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   location of the d-pad is the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   control location and I think you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   most people hold the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10   controller especially if they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   use the shoulders they want their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   to curl around the shoulder buttons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   then they have to deflect their thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   from the natural position if you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   any hand doctor about you know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   injure your tendons and everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   that it this is a straight way that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   tendons go through your Anatomy and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   you deflect your your limbs or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   digits or any other thing now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   making that tendon which slides back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   forth slide through a bend and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   the more you deflect your joints and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   then make this tendon slide back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   forth the more irritated those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:40   get so I Nix that point the octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:45   shaped hole his point about the octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:49   surround I mean there's this room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   quibble on this one because it it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   different experience having an octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   thing there I talked about how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   provides tactile feedback that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:00   provided on 3d analog sticks that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03   to be provided on the d-pad so in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   deep end you get always tell where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:06   up-down left-right where regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:07   where your hands bar where regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   where you're holding the controller now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   you can't as much because you might lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   track of where things are because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:14   analog sticks just waving down there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:15   the wind but the octagonal surround will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   let you feel where that is and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   point is that the visual feedback on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   screen is what really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   and the directional indicators aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:25   accurate or fast enough to provide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:28   feedback the visual input pen my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   in that is that the visual feedback on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   the screen is all well and good but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:33   still have to know what input do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   provide to to change the things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   screen so lots of like for example 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:42   platformer games the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:43   control scheme is push the stick in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   direction you want the guy to go on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   screen so if you're depending on where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   the camera is the direction you push on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   the stick makes the guy run a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   way so what you want to know is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   right when I look at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   straight ahead on the screen like above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   me on the screen if you're looking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:00   know a camera view from boga is where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   want to go so I want to push straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   ahead on my stick and the octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   surround lets you know where straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   ahead is on your stick it's not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   that you're not relying on the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:11   feedback the screen you are but you then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   want to know okay given what I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:14   on the screen which direction do I push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   my stick to make him go you know but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   need to basically mentally align the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   axis of the stick like you have to line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   north on North on your controller with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24   north on your TV screen and you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   that without look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:27   your controller and without having your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   controller constantly directly in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   of you like if you've got it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:31   way up in the air like I said with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   tongue sticking out of the corner of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:33   your mouth or you know under you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   way down lower who knows people do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   sorts of contortions with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:38   controllers in their playing I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:39   always make fun of my wife playing Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   Kart in the GameCube because she would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:42   try to steer with the controller if she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44   was going too far one direction she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   would lean and turn the controller like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   the steering wheel and turned her I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:48   would say it doesn't it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50   that you're turning it you have to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:51   the stick if you want to you know and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   course that would come back to bite me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   later with the Wii when turning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:56   controller actually is how you control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   the game but for GameCube controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   and other things you don't actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   to turn the controller to make a turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:04   but people do that naturally and so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   I'm saying is that when you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:07   that just you know naturally because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:09   you're getting into the game you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   need to know where exactly straight up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   is on the controller and to some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:14   the shape the unchanging shape of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   controller itself gives you that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:20   feedback because you can feel where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   edges are whatever the octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:23   surround is an additional aid to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:27   and the other thing is that all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:29   the disadvantage that people say for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   octagonal surround is that it's not G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:35   like you can feel straight ahead you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   feel the 45s and you know and you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   the 90s but in between there you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   have the same fine control as you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   and I'll get to that and the next point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   but before I get to that I want talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:46   about the the gold standard game the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49   testing game for how good is your analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   stick and that game is Super Monkey Ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   on the Gamecube the only control in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   game is the analog stick have you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   played this game mmm I'm sure I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   done bring had not show you how because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   it was kind of obscure was a GameCube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   game you can get it and play it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:06   way of your Wii has game compatibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:08   and I think they made Wii versions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:09   think I actually have the Weaver but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:10   first Super Monkey Ball not super monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   ball - and not the Wii version I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   played this thing it was it you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   monkey and a ball surprise uh and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:20   only control is the analog stick buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   do nothing shoulder buttons do nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   see stick does nothing d-pad does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   nothing just you know other than pausing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   the game with the select button so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   this is the stick is the control right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   Super Monkey Ball won the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:32   game uh and what you ostensibly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:35   you're doing with that stick is tilting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   the board that you're on but that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   you know are you tilting the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:42   order you making the ball go forward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:43   moving the camera at the same time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   like a relativity type problem but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:50   Super Monkey Ball and and in other games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   like that one of the camera controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   that you might have is bring the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:55   directly behind me and in Super Monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:59   Ball in particular that's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:00   because that the levels get harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   harder until you're trying to navigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:03   this ball on very skinny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   you know paths floating in space right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:07   so if you want to successfully navigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:12   a very skinny path what you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   is get the camera swinging directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   behind you so that the path is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   straight ahead into the screen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   3d speaking and then push the control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22   stick exactly ahead and how do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25   if you're pushing the control stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:26   exactly ahead without the octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:27   surround you might be close but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:31   quite close and like in most games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   doesn't matter but in games especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   platformers and very particularly Super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   Monkey Ball it makes a big big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   difference whether you're going exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   straight ahead now I think the analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   stick in the game controller is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43   for lots of reasons whether I toggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:44   surround puts it over the top for games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   like Super Monkey Ball because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   imagine playing that game on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   Playstation control I think I might've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:51   actually come out for the PlayStation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:52   any other kind of control that is around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   because that game is so precise that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   game is entirely about the precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   control of this one little ball on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:01   maze of levels where you're just trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   to keep this ball from falling off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:04   edge of these increasingly skinny paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   and in the earlier levels many of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08   paths are in straight lines or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   straight lines up hills or anyone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   played Super Monkey Ball hope can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   hopefully appreciate the the precision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:17   required by this game and the purity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   the game the end the amount of hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   sweat produced by the game the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:25   side here so Super Monkey Ball has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27   scoring system where you get play points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   it's one of those Sega terms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:30   doesn't really make any sense or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:31   it's probably translated but you get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   get points for playing and achieving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:34   certain things and supposedly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   maximum number of play points you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   get in Super Monkey Ball is 9999 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:42   get every banana and do every level and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:43   never die and the the greatest video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:47   game thumb dexterity triumphs I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51   seen on video are thee I think as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:54   of these maybe is just one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55   is a u-tube playthrough of someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:58   playing Super Monkey Ball and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   9999 play points that means he plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   through every single level and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:03   dies and gets every single thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:06   it's kind of like the pac-man perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   game or like all I got every fruit I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   every dot and never died by the ghosts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   made it up to the kill screen oh there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   no kill screen at the end of Super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:14   Monkey Ball you just finish the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:15   this probably is kind of like a golf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:18   where you're not really interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   golf if you haven't ever played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   that's been my experience most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:23   who have never played golf ah find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   boring to watch and aren't interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   tennis is a similar way well if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   never played Super Monkey Ball watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   this video will be boring and not make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:32   any sense to you but if you have ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33   played serious monkey ba serious Monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4173">TS</a>]

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01:09:40   around with this game for two seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:41   like you're an actual gamer and you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:42   I'm gonna play this game and I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   to excel and achieve in this game right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   if you've ever done that you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   hard this game is and to watch what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:52   assume is an actual human being playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   and not like a bot or an emulator or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:57   something an actual human being playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:58   Super Monkey Ball and achieving nine I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   gonna be very sad if someone writes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:01   tells me you know that was a bot it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   an emulator and and you've been fooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:04   but this video existed when the Gamecube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:07   was new so it seems if someone actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   built a device to automatically play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   GameCube by you know actuating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:13   controller and looking at the TV screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   I guess I'll still give them kudos I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:16   be very sad as a simulation but it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:20   amazing it's something you didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:21   was possible that's that's the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   about video game movies on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:26   whenever you're stuck in a video game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   whenever I'm stuck in a video game I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:29   like to look at someone you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   know what to do I just can't do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:33   in a Mario level or I know I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:34   jump from here to here to there and hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   that in blah blah and it's frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   me and I can't get past it I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:39   watch a video of somebody else doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:41   not because it's gonna tell me something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   new it's like yeah I know you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43   jump on that and then before the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   comes you gotta go over there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4244">TS</a>]

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01:10:47   touch that and move over there I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   like seeing someone else do it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   convince myself that it can be done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:54   you watch it over and over again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   kind of like positive visualization for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:57   athletes like you see it being done like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   it can be done look look it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   simple series of movements look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:03   person doing it but if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   Super Monkey Ball video it has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   opposite effect you're like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:09   poss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:09   no human can do that it's yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:12   like half an hour long 40 minutes long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   split up into parts it is unbelievable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   they should show it it's their chart on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:19   movie screens for people who played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   Super Monkey Ball and say come see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:22   pinnacle of human achievement is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   the the quad satiric of uh oh wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:28   minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:28   doing reverence yeah I didn't I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4288">TS</a>]

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01:11:36   unbelievable I highly endorse this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   movie if anyone has ever seen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   anyone's ever played Super Monkey Ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42   people who haven't I'm sorry for wasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   your time all right so hold on let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:46   it let's do our second sponsor all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4306">TS</a>]

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01:11:52   Rackspace these guys you've gotta think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:55   of them think of them three three boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   draw three boxes in your mind in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4317">TS</a>]

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01:12:04   hosting in the business this is servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:05   that are racked on demand configured the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08   way you want them with human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:09   waiting to help you restart them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:12   reinstall operating systems configure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:15   them the way you want what every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:16   second box cloud hosting you'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:19   these guys are the masters of cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   hosting the third box hybrid hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:24   combination they're the only the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   company out there that I'm aware of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   that offers both and that interconnects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:31   them and that understands both so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   that might mean is for some reason maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:38   you've got some super intensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:39   application that you really don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   need the scaling stuff for it but later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   you do or a different aspect of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46   business does they can tile this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   together the only ones doing that as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   as I know they're there for you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:53   your business grows too that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:54   you can't out scale Rackspace when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:58   comes to growing your business so go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   Rackspace comm / 5x5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   they have special deals there for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   guys on cloud servers CDN scaling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   services all that stuff and I just while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:06   we were doing the show I don't make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   habit to check my email but you told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   to go and look for this DCE email with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   the hands so right in there came in 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:18   minutes ago my buddy Michael over at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:21   Rackspace here's what he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   hey Dan were hiring a senior UX person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   at Rackspace this could be in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   Antonio could be in Austin could be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   San Francisco he says this is an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   job literally turning Rackspace come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   into world-class websites he says would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:37   you mind sharing this with your peeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:39   he actually said teeps he says I figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:42   5x5 listeners might be really interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   so what I'm going to do there is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:45   is a link here and I'm going to to drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:48   this into the into the show notes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   looks like a really cool awesome job so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   go check it out thanks to Rackspace calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:56   such five-by-five for making this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:59   possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4439">TS</a>]

01:13:59   I just realized when you said the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:03   of the person who sent the email that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:05   have been reading the last letter as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:06   N not an H and saying sheeny it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   sheeny it's according to the man himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   it's GE what's up she ok AG - and three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:17   years in a row is his explanation of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19   to pronounce so I apologize for mangling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20   your name and calling you sheeny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:21   Ellucian he would be easier to pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   so consider changing like Martin Cheney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   yeah Martin Cheney it's like there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   something is very Martin Sheen II when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:28   it's you know it's exactly what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31   thinking yeah so back to that octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:35   surround I said I was gonna get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   one of the other complaints about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39   besides being nachi he says that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:42   Octagon hole won't help until the sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   has reached full deflection but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:45   time it's probably too late and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:46   target has probably been overshot so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:49   idea is that you're you only touch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:52   octagonal surround when you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:53   when you hit the the limits of your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   reach so why would you you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   you're going to instantly go to full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00   deflection when I use a digital pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   instead of analog stick huh this I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:06   ties into how you know the octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:12   surround prevents fine-tuned movement my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:16   experience when you need to do fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:18   movement of you know slight changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:21   you're not at full deflection because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24   you read full deflection you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:25   slamming in one direction or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   I find I can make fine adjustments you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29   just slide it along the flat the flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:31   you know sides of the octagon you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:35   make small adjustments like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:36   most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:37   making small junctions I don't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:38   at full deflection so I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:39   octagonal surround doesn't say why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:40   just use a d-pad because you've still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:41   got the full range of motion in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:43   and lots of games the other aspect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:49   this is it enough lots again so some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4549">TS</a>]

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01:15:54   use full deflection movement in analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   games but you still do require fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   control so a good example are 3d Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   platformers where you're routinely going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   at full deflection when you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:03   running in a particular direction or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:04   another and a complication on this or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:08   subtlety of this is that in some Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:10   platformers not so much now but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4570">TS</a>]

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01:16:16   lock the directional stick in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:20   straight ahead right and then basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   steer Mario or you know you control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:27   where he goes on the screen by using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:28   this C stick the camera stick because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   what you're doing is just saying I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   just going straight ahead but I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:33   to use the c stick small deflections and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:35   seasick not at not at the extremes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   know the regular analog stick and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   left thumb it is fully deflected going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   straight forward and you are steering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   with small subtle movements to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:44   camera stick because as you turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   camera because of the way a relative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   motion works you know as you turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   camera straight ahead becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52   different direction in the 3d world so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54   that's that's another example of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:56   full deflection is needed in analog gain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   with fine-tune control and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   thing important points out is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:01   full deflection is required an octagonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:04   surround prevents it in some directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   I don't think that's necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   case if you can imagine the the range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11   motion of an analog stick where a zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   is in the middle and then at one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:16   extremes there's you know your gear 1 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18   something just look at the octagon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   draw a circle that fits within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:23   octagon that is maximum deflection in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25   all directions the fact that you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   past maximum deflection just continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28   to send the maximum value out through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30   the you know to the to the system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:31   you're not you're not actually missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   maximum deflection in some directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   maximum deflections achievable in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37   directions it just so you can go past it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   when you go into the vertices this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   another instance where I'm waving my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:43   hands around I hope you can visualize an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45   octagon with a circle inside of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:48   understand what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:50   sharp edges he says I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   something about sharp edges and a dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:53   shock and he has no idea what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:54   talking about there no sharp edges on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:55   his controller so I've got my dual shock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:58   3 here in front of me the sharp edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   that I were talking about where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   holes that r1 and l1 come out of so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:06   run l1 of the shoulder buttons there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:08   holes in the case and the shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:10   buttons poked out of them when you press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:11   the shoulder buttons the shoulder runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:13   press in to basically be flush with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   those holes the holes themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   kind of beveled where it's not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   a hole cut in anything piece of oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   thin plastic wall there's actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:22   bevel there but the edge of the bevel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:25   kind of like the edge of a macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   is sharp now it's on an angle so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:30   like you know the surface of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:31   controller and then there's a bevel on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:32   an angle but where those two things meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   where the direction of the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   changes from being you know parallel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:38   the surface of the button to tucking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:39   on that bevel that thing is sharp enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:42   that I can imagine you could you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:44   cut something with it if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   remove the button from the hole and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:46   where where I interact with that is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:50   games that require a lot of holding down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:52   of r1 so for example Shadow of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:53   Colossus where r1 is the gripping button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:56   isn't it basically the main mechanic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   that game and for the most of the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   game you'll be trying to hold down r1 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:01   various sequences and it's a tense game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   and you will find yourself holding on r1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   you know using more force than is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:08   necessary though and I think it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:09   actually be for sensitive so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:10   they're encouraging this does anyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   the chatroom know if r1 and Eleanor are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:13   pressure sensitive on the DualShock 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:16   anyway the point is I'm holding it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   for a long time and in a league on hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:21   maybe I wasn't holding on hard that edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:22   is there and it irritates your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   because it's something that you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:25   fleshy part of your finger is pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   against for for you know hours on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:30   off but mostly on during a very tense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:33   game and I've got that little sharps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   around on the r1 digging into my fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:37   so you say oh you're holding it too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:38   or you're the fleshy part of your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   is too fleshy it's it's leaking to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   edge or it doesn't really hurt that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   it's just an irritant I'm saying is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   the trigger should be designed with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   idea that a finger is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:48   pressing down liner possibly for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:49   period of time possibly harder than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   think it's supposed to be and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   made them pressure-sensitive then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:53   there's no excuse because obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   expected people to all down arlynn a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58   of people who wrote in with feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59   complained about the the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   triggers on the DualShock to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:03   three that unlike a trigger on a gun or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   are many other consoles that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:07   hooks your finger did these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   sloped away from you so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:10   holding them down for a long time slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   they slip out of your finger it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:13   if a trigger on a gun was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   trigger on a gun looks like a crescent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:16   moon kind of pokin out from the gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:17   imagine the Crescent went the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:18   and that was your gun trigger no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:20   makes gun triggers like that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:22   PlayStation shoulder buttons are shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:23   like that especially a you know r1 r2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25   and r3 r1 r2 a more kind of flat but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:28   they are convex instead of concave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:33   finally he talks about xbox asymmetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   which is a common complaint about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:38   Xbox from PlayStation fans is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:39   well the analog sticks might be in weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:42   places on the places controller but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   Xbox is worth because they put one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:45   the primary control location and one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:46   the secondary location because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   buttons are in the primary location on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:49   the other side and that means that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   of the analog sticks is always in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52   suboptimal position and a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   find it difficult when you're playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55   game that requires the use of two analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   sticks at the same time to coordinate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   that movement when you can kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:00   that it's not symmetrical in your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   like they're in they're in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:03   positions I agree with that I find I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:06   find using dual analog sticks awkward in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:09   all situations and the asymmetry of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:11   Xbox can take some getting used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   but I think it's still a better design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:17   than having both the sticks in the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:18   location just for the sake of symmetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:19   because a lot of games don't use both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:22   sticks in fact I would say most games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   don't use both sticks maybe if you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   all first-person shooters then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:26   that's not the case but I play a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:28   platformers and third-person games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   they tend not to use ball sticks at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32   same time for the entire course of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   game at the end he has a section called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:36   of ain't broke don't fix it well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:39   know I suspected that to be the attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:43   I applaud him for the thoroughness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   his points he didn't really convince me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:48   of anything but he it's clearly thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:49   about it and and clearly expressed his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51   preferences oh my god this just goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:57   and on doesn't it I'll try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   through these quickly Xbox controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:02   conspiracy theories from a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   people toby cool stock rights in with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   favorite one saying that the the xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:09   controller which we talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:10   original xbox control that was big and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11   said i was big because it's like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   they recognized the average game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:14   gamers was going up let's make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   for the size for adult and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17   his theory is that it was a a marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:21   I'm reading from his email marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:22   sleight of hand in the same vein as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:23   those KFC adverts that put the tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:26   Cheesecake really close to the camera to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:27   make it seem a respectable size first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29   all I am amazed and scared and confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:32   that KFC apparently sells cheesecake is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   this accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:35   I never heard like seriously just KFC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:39   salt cheesecake now what I don't I'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   of touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:42   apparently they said they probably do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   wouldn't surprise me even a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   if they did it would take a lot for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   to buy a cheesecake KFC let me just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   that ah oh yeah so the idea is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   made the controller really big because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   the Xbox console itself was gigantic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   this is the the meme for the kids who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   might not have know this is the Xbox is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   huge lol all caps with some letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   transposed the Xbox is huge LOL meme was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:05   huge so to speak from back in the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:08   when the original Xbox was launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:09   because they were the newcomer into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11   field and Sony was the established base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   and there's all of the fanboys yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:15   at each other about whose console is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   best and uh so Xbox is huge was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:21   point there which really doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22   ever made any sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   except for from ridiculing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:24   hardware design perspective because do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26   you care how big the console is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   not you're not holding it it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   you have to carry it on your back it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31   sits there in the entertainment center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   right okay how big that you know unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35   it's noisy or very hot er I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:38   that was kind of a nonsensical point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:40   the the idea was that Microsoft knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:43   that people would be very upset that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:44   their console is big for some and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   logical reason which they were that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   would be an accurate prediction and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:49   made the control is really big so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50   when shown in a product shot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   controllers scaled next to the the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   it would make both one look normal-sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:56   I think this is a crazy conspiracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:59   theory because he points out himself why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00   wouldn't they just move the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   farther away from the camera to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:03   look smaller moved the console closer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   do it there's so many other things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   can you would not design the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   your console he helps for for marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:11   purposes to trick people into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   it was a different size than it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:14   think they really did believe that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:17   controller should be large for large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   hands someone else wrote me and I forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:20   I don't have this on my notes I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:21   but to tell me that one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:24   Microsoft was testing the controller for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:26   is they want we wanted a player to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   able to put down the controller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   balance it on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:30   to be able to grab their drink or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:33   chips or something to eat them so it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   to be big enough and sturdy enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   like sort of sit you you know balance on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   the person's leg or sit on the couch so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:41   they could do some other things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:42   recognized people who play games at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:43   same times that they're eating munchies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:44   or whatever I found this story slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   more plausible than the the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   gimmick story but both of them sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   kind of strange to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:54   and finally I had a fairly comprehensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:58   Sony defense from someone who may or may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:02   not be affiliated with Sony in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:04   let's just say that I will not name this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   person in in the past episode I dumped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:10   on the Sony's controller a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:11   complained about their lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:12   innovation and I also made lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   subtle digs about while they tacked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   the analog stick set for the n64 analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   stick came out and they added a rumble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:22   feature because the new Nintendo was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:24   adding a rumble feature and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   PlayStation Move is that a PlayStation 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   axis was there because they heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:29   Nintendo had some sort of motion control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   so they threw some accelerometers into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:32   it and a PlayStation Move was clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   just a reaction to the Wii all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:37   ports at points I said this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:38   speculation I don't know any of this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:40   sure sometimes the timing doesn't line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   up people so how could that be because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:43   this came out before that came out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:45   timings for product launches versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:47   product development are fuzzy enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:49   that you don't know like well did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:51   just hear from there you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   inside sources that Nintendo was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   planning a motion control so they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:56   accelerometers in a six axis or did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   have no idea than 10 they was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5158">TS</a>]

01:25:59   motor control and they plans exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   this all along and on and on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   rumble feature who had it first or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04   had the idea first and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:05   but the meta point before I just discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:08   its individual points is that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:11   really matter who got what person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   deployed it matters what people shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:14   and the bottom line is the Sony shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16   the same controller essentially for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:17   years and years and intend o continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:18   to ship something it was different they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:20   kept trying to improve that's my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:21   complaint doesn't matter who got what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:23   idea from where or you know who was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   first technically the first to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:27   or whether this thing was done it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:30   like it's derivative of that simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:31   because that launched first but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   is not derivative all it was completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:34   independently invented I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:35   care who invented it all you know I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   care a little bit in terms of stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   bragging rights and stuff but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:40   doesn't change the physical reality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:42   the controller and that's really what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:43   was complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:43   about the product as it exists ignoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:46   how it got to be that way and who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   first and who copied who or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:50   like that but this person's defense was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:54   very comprehensive he said that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   analog controls in the PlayStation had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:57   nothing to do with the n64 that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   sixaxis had nothing to do with knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   that the Wii was doing some motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   control stuff and the PlayStation Move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   this is the best one the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:05   Move this really stretches my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:08   credibility meters had nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   with the Wii because it was simply an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:12   extension of the the I toy which had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:14   Sony had been developing for years since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:18   we don't know for sure and none of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:19   work in Sony and none of us can prove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20   any of these things I invite anyone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:23   you know look at the evidence and decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25   for themselves I have one way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   think it probably is this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   probably has more inside knowledge than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:30   I do and he thinks it was the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:31   but then again I believe this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:33   also is heavily invested in their belief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:36   that Sony is awesome so believe what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:39   will but I won't that the point I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:40   make is that this is not this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42   change the quality of the controller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:43   I really care who had what first Hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:47   look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:47   I think I made it through the controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:49   fall Wow only 87 minutes she's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:54   why I tried to go that I skip stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:55   believe no I skip stuff that is hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:58   believe do you want to know that we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:00   honored you want to try and do this uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:02   this quote can I hit two soundbite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:05   I had two other topics one of them was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   the CES talked about CES a little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09   the other ones Wikipedia I guess we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11   no time for Wikipedia if you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:12   think we have time for me to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:13   CES obviously well I'm not sure what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:16   want to say but um we should give it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18   shot if for no other reason then I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:20   the got this thing queued up yeah let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:23   you want to hear it some cost no so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   we're not ready to play that yes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:26   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:27   I will save my discussion of Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   for a future show congratulations to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:30   people who made it this far into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:31   show there is a non gaming topic coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:33   up now at the tail end of the show next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35   time I will try very hard not to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   a gaming related show and they will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:40   talk about what could beat her from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:41   very top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   Cesc us was this week I did not attend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:46   in case you didn't know that I saw many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:49   of my friends online and sites that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:52   read it did attend and complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54   bitterly about CES and there was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:55   discussion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   not so much about what is that CES but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   is CS important is it worth paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   attention to the show is too bloated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:04   people who were there who weren't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06   all that stuff and Gruber has always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:09   a great link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   he had a link to Alexis madrigals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14   article at the Atlantic called why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16   can ignore CES and he looked quoted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:19   little excerpt from it and say let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:21   let's say you pay close attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:22   last year's CES and the tablets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   were hyper the show how important they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:26   have they turned out to be one year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:27   later so if you can remember last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:30   CES was all about a windows slaked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5370">TS</a>]

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01:29:34   compete with the iPad it was tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:35   products introduced in this article goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5375">TS</a>]

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01:29:51   even ships it's kind of like an auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:52   show where they show all these concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5392">TS</a>]

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01:29:55   the concept cars and stuff but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:56   you're like alright well one can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5396">TS</a>]

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01:29:58   will look anything like that will it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   actually be any good or will it just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5400">TS</a>]

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01:30:08   guess um you will allow it yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:13   there are were actually interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:14   things that see us I want to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:15   movas it will make the section longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5415">TS</a>]

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01:30:17   followed the CES coverage and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:19   ignored most of it but there were a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20   things here and there that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   interested in so I think there is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:23   a role for CES if only for consumer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:27   it is the Consumer Electronics Show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5427">TS</a>]

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01:30:31   concentrates on actual consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5431">TS</a>]

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01:30:34   world it is slowly becoming more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35   more computer fide so Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   Microsoft they're big where it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:39   be like Toshiba and sharp and Sony or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   people who made what we used to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43   inert consumer electronics products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:46   versus general-purpose computers but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   everything is basically a computer so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   makes sense it's some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:51   convergence but I think CES is at its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   best when it's not computer products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   because consumer electronic companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   tend to make very lousy computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:00   products but the thing I want to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:03   in the clip is that for some reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:06   find myself like I guess people tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08   about and stuff i watch these keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:10   that i real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:10   I shouldn't be watching or really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:12   no interest in so I watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14   Microsoft keynote at CES finger-roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   they said it's gonna be the last one let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   me let me take a look at it and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:20   seen as you imagine a lot of keynotes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:21   my day most of them Steve Jobs keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23   but I watched you know the Palm Pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25   launches and Amazon presentations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:28   all sorts of keynotes and most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:32   generally agree that the Apple keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   are the best you know it's like oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:35   they're the most exciting they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:37   of the gold standard for how you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39   do presentations of new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:40   products and I tweeted during the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:43   Microsoft keynote it reminded me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:46   professionalism is not the reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5506">TS</a>]

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01:31:51   and professionalism with or without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:54   scare quotes like it depends on how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   define that a lot of people who respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:57   to Twitter quote had a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   definition in mind than I did when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00   wrote it but 140 characters is not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   to elaborate what I had in mind was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5522">TS</a>]

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01:32:08   especially if someone's speaking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10   stage someone who's like a professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12   orator who they're not going to they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:16   going to do the job require them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   deliver your your message in a competent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:22   matter they're going to enunciate there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   they're not going to stumble over their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:25   words they're going to have a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:26   message with forceful statements and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   know not lots of vague weasel words lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:33   that not lots of stumblings competent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:34   demos where everything works like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   what I think of as professionalism and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:37   lot of people say boy those applique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:38   notes they're awesome like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40   rehearse them for hours they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:41   professional like all the demos are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   spot-on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:44   everything is timed down to the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:46   if the audio visuals are awesome and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:49   think that's not why people love Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   Jobs keynotes or Apple keynotes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:54   general and to demonstrate this I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:57   to when I was looking at this thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:59   said boy this this section that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:00   looking at right here it was a Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   Davidson from Microsoft's Xbox team I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   believe he's actually in the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:05   department we're just fine I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   put your marketing or they put Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:08   Schiller up on the stage and Apple he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09   the marketing guy right you put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:10   marketing guy up on the stage because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:11   you want a professional presentation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   presumably the marketing guys are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:14   professionals in your organization who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16   are great at presenting the face of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:19   company in a professional manner as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:22   you you can play that clip now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   Craig David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:24   and a random excerpt from the Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:27   CES keynote I don't want you to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:28   attention to what he's saying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:29   particular what particular products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31   whoever just just listen to this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5611">TS</a>]

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01:34:07   experiences you just saw are available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:10   now but what comes next at this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:13   moment we're working with some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5653">TS</a>]

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01:34:23   the TV soon you'll move away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:26   one-way experiences of just watching TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:28   to two-way experiences where you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:31   engage with the TV to show you what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:34   looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5674">TS</a>]

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01:34:46   other people come and stage and do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:47   demo uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:48   I don't want to pick on this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:51   talking because I think that was it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   mean as a reason he he did a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56   speaking right you could understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   he was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5698">TS</a>]

01:34:59   domestically delivering was fairly clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:01   nice of a reverb yeah not the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:06   I all the people in chat room are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:07   complaining about because they're primed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:09   to already agree with me is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:11   sounds like an infomercial and the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:12   the point that I'll get is it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15   like he's reading a script but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:16   he is the UH it sounds like he's reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:19   a press release someone worked on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   language and decided this is the message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   we want to deliver and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:24   have a professional who's great orator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   or you know I'm probably obviously not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:28   great orator because everyone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   like how he talks up there reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32   lines that we wrote in our meeting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:34   it so he's reading marketing copy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:37   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:37   and part of the problem is the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40   copy is self filled with buzzwords and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   experiences and you know declarations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5742">TS</a>]

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01:35:48   know power of this fully operational you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:50   know the whole business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:51   it sounds off-putting doesn't get as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:54   thing I think people loved about jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:56   and out presentations I bet they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:59   rehearsed like crazy and I'm sure jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   had in mind exactly what he was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:03   say but it sounded like he was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:07   enthusiastic about what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08   presenting uh he really cared about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:12   team well I'm sure Craig Davison really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   does care about this stuff and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   people who work in a box team really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18   passionate about what they're doing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:19   think it's awesome but it's not coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:21   across in their presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:22   that's the problems not the problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:23   they're like heartless and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:24   care about their stuff and jobs are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   much more passionate and he loved his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27   stuff they all care about what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:28   doing but Jobs was able to and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:32   that we'll be really able to convey that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34   to the audience that let me show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   know you can tell watching the guy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   know he's really excited about this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   version of iPhone or whatever that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:41   thinks is sometimes he thinks it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:42   awesome and it's clear that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:43   think it's awesome we think it's dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44   but it's clear that he thinks this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   is great and by the same token sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:48   he'll show something that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:49   think is that great and you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   tell like oh he's kind of bored with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:52   this party just wants to get through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:53   like it's you know it's a more human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:57   presentation where it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:59   professionalism that drew us to it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:01   the humanity it is that he's expressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:04   his own emotion and conveying it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:07   audience in an effective matter and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:10   also means yes sometimes he stumbles he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:13   talks it in a sort of a you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:17   wrote it down the transcript of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   wouldn't be correct grammar is there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   no like sentences with periods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:22   commas and all you know but if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   you were to transcribe what what Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:25   Davidson was saying I would imagine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:27   was really perfect yeah put it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:29   into a press release it's like ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:30   go uh there are many lessons to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:34   from Apple and Steve Jobs presenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:36   rehearse a lot make sure your demos work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:37   be clear with your message have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   simple slides don't don't sell pass the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:42   clothes and one of them is probably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:45   know be excited about the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:46   yourself and I bet Microsoft thinks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48   they're doing all that and Steve Ballmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   is the same way if you see him sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:51   his name from American Idol like I bet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:54   don't know maybe Steve Ballmer isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:55   actually excited about things I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   might be excited about them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:58   obviously the paid actor who was up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   there your presentation he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   invested in the success of Xbox he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   paid actor so that's also thing against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06   you but I bet the Xbox team is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   excited about what they're doing they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   just failed to convey that in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   keynote because they're so paranoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   about being professional their marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:16   department is turning into a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   robots and I think that said I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   Microsoft needs to watch more Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:23   keynotes and take away all the points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:27   about competency but also think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   the humanity that's being expressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:32   there and that that's what Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:33   missing and that's in general with CES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   is miss hey I got through that pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:39   quickly I was let me know is no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:41   for you yeah we'll save Wikipedia for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:44   another day God you will not believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47   number of stuff I skipped on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   controllers really but I thank you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   for the controller feedback I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:54   air as many of the valid points that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:57   thought I could without overstaying my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:59   welcome why you got to do it dan I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:04   sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:05   the whole show I went self-control my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:09   part of them in Zen Zen Buddhism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11   I'm not Zen ninety nine minutes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   know the right words for what you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:15   but whatever the thing is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:17   subscribe to self-control is part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:19   right and ninety nine minutes I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:22   had a live made a little note I said if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:25   he goes 99 minutes then I will applaud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:29   him all right you did it I'll give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:33   that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:33   all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:38   so we're done show number 50 huh fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   fifty these things in the can yep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:48   good year big year the big question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:52   will we will we be doing any more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   these shows that's what remains to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   seen will we do another year no one no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:59   one will know they'll just have to tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:00   in next week and see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01   actually next week we should mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   this now because in a mere like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:07   days from now Monday which is a holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:10   here for many people not for me in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:13   United States ah we are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:17   doing a special special show is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:21   correct that is correct I'm very happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:24   that you remember well I haven't here on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   my calendar that's good we are doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:29   the first at what I would hesitate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:32   would be very hesitant to call it a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:35   because the implication that it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:37   show implies that it's maybe weekly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:39   ongoing or whatever here's all say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:42   that we have created a small venue for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:48   which to talk about things relating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:51   movies that fall outside of the scope of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:53   the other shows now on the talk show we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:55   would do episodes of where we would talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6055">TS</a>]

01:41:00   about James Bond you didn't especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:03   want to do that you didn't want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:04   it part of this and we weren't sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:06   would we do it as another a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:08   episode would we do it as a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:09   show so what I'm probably going to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   just sort of have a splinter show if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13   will like a five-by-five goes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:16   movies kind of thing as a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   this show and maybe others like it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:21   we go what we're doing is we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22   about Goodfellas and I will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:25   watch the movie at least two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:27   more times before Monday when we are set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:32   to talk about the show just that I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:35   fully you know back up to speed I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:38   probably only seen the movie 50 or 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:40   times so far so I will I want to see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:45   a few more times before I feel I'm ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   to really talk about it but the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:50   time that I watched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:52   I had I realized I had a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:54   perspective on it than I did well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6114">TS</a>]

01:41:57   would say as a young man but really as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6117">TS</a>]

01:42:00   kid when I was watching it I'm now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:03   having a family didn't really have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   family the first time I saw it the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   way you your opinion changes you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:10   whole different take on Henry I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:17   looking forward to talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:18   with you it's a special like a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:21   remember kids they had the special where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:22   they had a little the little word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:24   special it would spin at you with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26   music with the percussion yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28   that's what it's a special it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:29   not gonna be all the time the Lord knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:31   we have horn any time maybe it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:33   once finding time well you know never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:35   know we could do the Godfather ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:37   after at some point but you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:38   scheduling we were talking about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:39   it's difficult to get our schedules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:40   together for more than just our weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:42   show but it's a special it's a treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:44   people are asking if it will be live and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:46   when it will be it is it is currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:48   scheduled to be LA I believe it's live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:50   right yeah well I why not yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:54   we'll do a live will do it alive and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:59   will be at eat 12:00 noon eastern on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:02   Monday which is the what is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:08   they say third today is the 13th so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:10   was easy the 16th and people welcome the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:14   tune in now here's another question for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   you will I there's so few potentials for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:20   this on a show without us having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22   bleep everything but do you do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:25   to have sound bites my thinking was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:27   we might want to have some but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:30   out of respect you know we want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:32   that sound bites I don't know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6212">TS</a>]

01:43:35   need to be done live I think sound bites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:37   are often better put in later so that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39   can houmous Eisley queued I can kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   them all out man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:42   I have this whole soundboard thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:44   and Qi can queue up a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46   sound effects if you want if as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:47   you give me a list ahead of time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:50   know if I have things that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:53   queue up in particular I mean we all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:55   all know what you're gonna you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   this popular scenes and sayings that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6237">TS</a>]

01:43:59   think we can remember but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:00   about if I mention something you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:01   have to clip ready so out you could add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   it in post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:03   yeah alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:05   you know really I would imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   people listening to the show oh I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   already seen the movie enough that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:10   can hear the clips in their head but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:11   yeah it'll be nice to happy the clips at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkHLJ6c/6251">TS</a>]

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