Hypercritical

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00:00:02 ◼   ► you're listening to hypercritical weekly [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► talkshow ruminating on exactly what is [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► wrong in the world of Apple related [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► nothing is so perfect that it cannot be [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► complained about by my co-host John [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► siracusa i'm dan benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► Friday January 13th Friday the 13th John [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► it's episode number 50:50 is like a big [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► episode so maybe it'll counteract the [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► fact that it is the 13th I'm sure you're [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► not superstitious harvest though one of [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► our first sponsors and Rackspace another [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► sponsor will tell you about more those [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► as we continue with our program today we [TS]

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00:00:52 ◼   ► your branding vid me up calm how are you [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► John siracusa good do you know what what [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► occasion this anniversary is sorry this [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► episode is wow I've just told you well I [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► mind well my understanding from people [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► on Twitter is that this is he apparently [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► it's been a year it's been one year [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► almost the very first show we recorded [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► was was released to iTunes anyway that [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► date in iTunes is the 14th of January [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► last year it's pretty cool today is the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► 13th so this is our one-year anniversary [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► I did a little little then select select [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► all in iTunes dance or select all in [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► iTunes they're very similar to figure [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► out what the total amount of audio that [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► had been released to the show on iTunes [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► said 2.8 days so how 67 hours of audio [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► sure does feel like it does is it you [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► feel the weight of every one of those [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► minutes sitting on your shoulders I do [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah it seems like a lot to me do I mean [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► it's a been a good year though 50 [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► episodes you know it's like what is the [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► 50th anniversary what do you do for that [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► is that is that is that a silver [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► particle board I don't know it I'm not [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► sure styrofoam I don't I can't keep [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► track of something something [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► all right we got a one thing I want to [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► mention I don't and you said you don't [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► know if we'll get to it alright but I [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► have I have a clip cued up yes before [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► the show John said Dan there's a clip [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that I would like to play is that [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► possible I said course it's possible I [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► will do everything in my power not to [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► also play other clips throughout the [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► show that I know that will be hard they [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► would be I appreciate your restraint be [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► a huge challenge for example when you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► make a point I love it I will do my best [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► not to have applause you know if that [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► kind of thing I will not yeah I will not [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► I will restrain fully restrain myself [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► the name of the show is not the mornings [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► ooh okay not yet no despite despite my [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► suggestion it is not called the morning [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► soon yeah so we have a ton of feedback I [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► think the last show of where we talked [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► about I rambled about video game stuff [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► incoherently for a while then at the [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► very end did a little tour of video game [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► controllers and the point of that was to [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► I did have a point my point was to [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► complain about the PlayStation [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► controller but to do that first I felt [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► like I needed to provide some context to [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► to illuminate what I was I was saying [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► and we got a tremendous amount of [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► feedback a lot of people mostly on the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► controller stuff but on all sorts of [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► video game related stuff I don't know if [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► this is the most feedback we ever got [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► for an episode but I think it's the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► highest volume of information and [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► quality feedback like if you just do an [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► opinion show or bond or not the other [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► shows I talked about we get feedback but [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► it's kind of like agree disagree or have [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► your own opinion but this was just [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► filled with people they want to tell [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► their stories about their experiences [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► with controllers to add information to [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► tell me things that I missed huge amount [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► of feedback I didn't want to do a whole [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► other show about video game controllers [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► because I feel like people might be [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► getting sick of it but the people who [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► are getting sick of it I can tell you [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that we've had other long stretches like [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► this where we did like three or four [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► shows in a row by programming languages [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► you know I'm here to tell you that we'll [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► get through it together like it will end [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► and there will be another topic and sign [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► maybe that will be the topic that you [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► like and in several more so hang in [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► there I think we have to do one more [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► I'm trying to constrain this to just the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► discussion of the previous episode about [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► video game controllers because I'm not [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► going if I expand it out into like let's [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► all talk about video games forever and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► ever like that's that's a whole show [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► it's a whole big thing so I'm just going [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► to try to confine the feedback to the [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► stuff we talked about on the last show [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► but even before we get to that I've got [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► feedback several shows back or maybe I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► can even keep track of how many shows [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► back as well so let's start here this is [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► from Matthew Bogart he's calling back to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► the episode where we talked about music [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► they're encoding of whether we like to [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► listen to music during coding mostly [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► about the types of the things we can we [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► can do while listening to music with [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► lyrics without lyrics like can you write [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► prose when you listen listen to music [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► can you do programming can you debug and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► he brought up a passage from a book [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► about richard fineman it's called what [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► do you care what other people think and [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► a subtitle is further adventures of a [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► curious character there are several [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► books about richard fineman he was a [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► very smart fellow and a very interesting [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► fellow it had a fabulous accent that I [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► love and this this is like stories from [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► his life I think it's what does it say [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► it's Rick Richard Kleiman as told by [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► ralph leighton i don't know what as told [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► by means i guess they're relaying [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► stories that he told them but it's [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► written kind of in first person as if [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► richard fineman was saying it himself [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► and this chapter that he pointed me to [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► his call is as simple as one two three i [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► have a link to the chapter which you can [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► download for free as a PDF from caltech [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► for some reason just just the chapter [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► and is also an amazon link to the book [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► of your honor read the whole book and [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► this little anecdote was about a richard [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► fineman [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► telling a bunch of his friends and [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► colleagues all the things that he can do [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► while he's counting to himself like he [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► can keep an accurate count until i tell [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► you when a minute has elapsed while he's [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► doing many other things and he said the [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► only thing that he absolutely couldn't [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► do while counting to himself was talk [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► but he could do tons of other stuff [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► including a read and one of the other [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► people there said i don't believe that [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► you can read when you're counting to [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► yourself so they tested them they would [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► say you know read this passage aloud to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► yourself or whatever and count in your [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► head and tell us when you get to one [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► minute and this other guy named John [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► Tukey said I don't believe you [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► read but he said I'll bet you that I can [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► talk when I'm counting to myself and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Richard Fineman I thought that was you [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► know interesting that he claimed he [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► could do something that he could not and [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► so they did this competition and sure [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► enough this John Tukey I could count to [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► himself fairly accurately while he's uh [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► while he's talking which is something a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► rich fireman couldn't do and they and [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► they tried to puzzle it out see what's [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► going on here and what they figured out [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► was that when Tookie was counting in his [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► head while he was while he was talking [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► he was he was doing it a different way [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► than finally what he was doing was [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► visualizing a tape with numbers on it [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► slowly sliding by in his mind and thus [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► not engaging the language centers to [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► keep count [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► whereas Richard Fineman was counting his [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► head he was doing one two you know [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► engaging the language centers to count [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► in his own head I thought this was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► fascinating that like here are these [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► geniuses who are probing the limits of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► what their minds can do and finding out [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► that different minds do can do what we [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► think the same the same thing I'll [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► counting your head everyone does that [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► the same way well it's amazing diversity [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► of things that go on people's heads when [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► we think we're all talking about the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► same thing we're not I think the point [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► of the episode was he was thinking about [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► what yeah and that's for something [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► simple like counting imagine the [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► diversity of things that go on in [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► people's heads when doing complex [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► mathematics or the other things that [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► these guys did for a living and for the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► research I must be such a huge [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► divergence between what everyone thinks [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► is doing the same thing working out an [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► equation or whatever that the things [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► that happen things that are happening [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► people's brains are so wildly different [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► so I recommend reading as many books [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► about Richard Feynman as you can I've [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► read a couple of them and if you even if [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► you can don't buy the book there's lots [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► of anecdotes you can find on the web [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► it's very interesting [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► so that thank you to matthew Bogart for [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that I'll do a little bit on maths maths [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► as we know is what the English people I [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► don't even know what the column see [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► they'll just yell at me about that what [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► would you like to to try to categorize [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► the people who live on the various [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► islands to the north of France ah they [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► know the British people the English [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► people I think I think British sounds [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► good all right I'll just say people in [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the UK they say math than in America we [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► say math without the S well I [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► we did get one good explanation and you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► probably have a note as to who sent it [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► but I can't remember if we saw it on [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Twitter or if it was sent via the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► contact form but they said that maths [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► plural like that is short for [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► mathematics yes I thought that was [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► obvious I didn't write the name down [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► because yes of course we know I mean you [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► did you know is short for mathematics I [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► did yes but I having it put that way in [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► that context makes sense in that you're [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► shortening the word mathematics and it [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► shorts down to mass yeah as opposed to [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► just math no that's I know the [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► explanation I had heard that my time so [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► many many people told us that as if we [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► didn't know that and then that's why I'm [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► X that's the the canonical explanation [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► of like well of course it should be [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► maths because it's mathematic short and [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► they give many other examples of all the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► words and ends and s when you shorten [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► them you keep the s you know we know [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► that was just not the way it works in [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► America and it sounds very strange to us [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► that was the only point of that thing [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► not that we didn't under that they [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► thought it was it does sound crazy to us [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► but not crazy as in we can't think of a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► logical reason for it but just because [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► if you're brought up hearing something [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► in a particular way any other way sounds [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► crazy that's why I did put a link in the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► show notes to a wonderful British [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► explanation of mass if you would like to [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► know from the British television program [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► look around you which reveals that maths [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► is actually an acronym and it stands for [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► an ultra truth justice mathematical [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► aunty tell har Sahar farting Septimus so [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► I would suggest everyone take a look at [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► look around you it's an excellent [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► program very educational and brought to [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► you by these fine people on those [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► islands to the north of France alright [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► before we get to controllers we have one [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► piece of feedback on the show we did a [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► while back that covered some of the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► history of Nintendo Jonathan Flynn [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► writes in to tell us that the NES didn't [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► quite come out of nowhere like when I [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► talked about the show I said they made [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► playing cards and then they were trying [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► to find a way to make money and they [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► have done the love hotels and the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► instant rice and all these other things [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and he wanted to point out that there [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► are a bunch of things in tender did they [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► were not quite as the Virgin as love [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► hotels and in rising taxi services there [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► were vaguely toy related so there's a [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► site called [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the URLs blogged up before [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► mário calm and it has a huge list of [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► the toys and games that Nintendo made [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► before making the NES and there's like a [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► little baseball type game that you hold [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► in your hand mechanical baseball gay and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► a rollercoaster thing some Lego looking [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► toys a love tester yes as it's [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► electronic device at least toy guns you [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► can check out that page and see all the [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► toys they may before they got in tendo [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► so it's clear they were going in the toy [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► direction they just hadn't really found [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► anything that's stuck until I got to the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► NES alright time for controllers so [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► first some general feedback and [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► controllers that I mentioned the [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► octagonal surround around joysticks in [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the past show and how I like that uh [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► Nintendo's controllers according to Andy [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► Herbert the technical term for that is [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► octagonal restrictor gate and they [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► existed in arcade machines long before [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► they existed in NES home devices which [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► makes sense if you think about the way [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► joysticks work on arcade machines even [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► if there wasn't a visible on the surface [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► it was underneath so pac-man had a [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► four-way once of the pac-man game it had [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► what looked like an analog stick but [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► there was a restrictor gate under there [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► that made it clear when you're going [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► exactly up left-right something of worth [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► another one said eight way gates on them [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► some people like those things some [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► people don't we'll talk more about that [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► as we go on to later sections on [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► controllers controller prototypes which [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► I didn't really talk about are actually [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► very interesting and this comes up [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► because in finding links for the further [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► stuff we're going to talk about in [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► controllers I found a lot of old links [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► to prototype controls and I remember [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► being very excited about seeing what the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► new controller would look like on the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► consoles that actually changed our [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► controller from generation to generation [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► so I put in some links to the prototype [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► controllers for the NES and even some [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► prototype controllers for the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► PlayStation I want to pull some of those [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► up now so I can look at them and discuss [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► them so the Sony prototyping tools that [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► I'm looking at that I put links into are [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► just foam mock-ups and an operational an [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► or anything and they do look very [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► similar to the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► the current playstation controller or [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► the original playstation troll it's got [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► deep data lap the little horns two [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► circles two shoulder buttons the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► interesting part to me is that the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► buttons on the button portion of the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► controller and at least one model aren't [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► exactly north-south-east-west [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► perpendicular to the straight line body [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► of the controller one of them has four [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► buttons and arranged in a very strange [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► kind of like a burners on a stove type [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► pattern and they're tilted at an angle [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► to sort of like the angle your thumb [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► might lay over them so it shows that in [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the very beginning before the place they [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► can even exist it is a real product [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► notice making foam mock-ups they did [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► have controllers that you know had some [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► acknowledgment of how you might hold [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► them versus simply being you know a line [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► drawing with everything at right angles [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► in some CAD programs somewhere and I [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► also put in some links to the gamecube [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► controller prototypes you can see that [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► they publicly showed a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► where they fiddled around with the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► buttons on their controllers the handles [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► used to be much longer and wider instead [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► of having a d-pad below the big analog [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► stick they had a model with the head a [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► red button down there the kidney shaped [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► buttons that surrounded the giant a [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► button on the GameCube controller used [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► to all be kidneys instead of making the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► B button round there was a couple [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► different models that they were actually [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► willing to show to the public that [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► looked very similar but were different [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► in subtle ways it wasn't intended was [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► constantly refining this playtesting [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► refining play testing and refining all [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► right so I got a try-hard on this last [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► man what do you do with it when I same [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► has two L's in a row it depends on if [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► it's a in the begin banish'd name then [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► it's a why sound right oh that's a I [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► didn't know that I don't know if it's a [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► spy don't know who you're the first name [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► is Marcelino son Spanish Tim it could be [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► Marcelino Yan oh yeah alright we go with [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► that yeah so he went dead I was talking [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► about why why the NES controller is a [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► rectangle and the straight lines and [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► these things and he says that sometimes [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► the forms of shapes emerge from the [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► convenience of the machines that produce [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► them so extruding and revolution [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► processes molds restrictions and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► sometimes get in the way what you really [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► want to make [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► and that's especially true back in the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► past right some machines we have now are [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► much more complicated advanced than they [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► were then so one of the reasons it's not [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► just industrial designers like straight [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► lines and everything because they're [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► easy to draw with their pencils and [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► their you know drafting desks in 1962 [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► it's because you know computers can do [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► curved lines anything but sometimes you [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► have to make something can be made by [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the machines there are restrictions on [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► what we've got we've got an extrude [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► oisin and then the rules of extreme [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► oisin is you can't have walls thinner [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► than this and you can't have curved [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► sharper than that or you can't have [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► sharp parts like this because we're [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► cracks will forming or you have some [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► sort of routing machine that can only do [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► certain radius isn't that there are many [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► restrictions imposed by the machines if [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► you want to get something that's cheap [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► to manufacture and yeah the thing that [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► makes the cheapest you have an existing [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► machine it does the type of move and you [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► have to work within the constraints of [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that machine it makes a point at the end [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► that modern companies especially [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► companies like Apple er are changing [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that by instead of saying well what kind [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► of machines do you have for shaping you [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► know plastic or metal and then we'll try [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► to design something that can be cheaply [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► produced by those machines they do it [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the opposite as he says they create the [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► machine to create the shape so Apple [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► decides what they want the thing to look [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► like and then they hire someone to build [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► a machine can will make that shape [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► efficiently for them like so it's it's [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► the reverse process and obviously that's [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► much more expensive involves big capital [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► investment and tooling and everything [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► like that but when you're big company [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► like Apple you can do it especially back [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► decades ago I think menu ease of [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► manufacturing and the type of process is [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► available especially for a mass-market [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► product like a game console that's been [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► mass-produced and sturdy and also had to [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► be cheap those were definitely factors [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► my wife was listening to the show [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► yesterday and the two bits that she [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► wanted added was to remind me that the [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► listeners cannot see my hand movements [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► so apparently during the entire [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► controller you were gesturing yes [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► gesturing with my hands to show how a [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► controller will be held when shape it is [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► sketching out things in the air with my [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► hand so I apologize to people who could [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► not see my hands but trust me that they [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► definitely added a lot to the [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► explanation maybe we could do I mean you [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► know most of the time we don't do video [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► we're fully capable of doing video maybe [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the next time that we do something like [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► that we could record all of your all of [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► your movements and gestures well I [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► don't know if that's worth the downsides [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► of video but yeah at aliens always talk [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► with their hands and I'm no exception [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► especially when trying to describe [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► something that you hold alright so let's [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► get to the meat of the controller stuff [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► finally controller omissions lots of [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► people wanted to write in to tell me [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► about the controllers that I left out or [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the things that I left out about always [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► talk about right Andrew yang writes in [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► to tell me that I did not mention the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► shoulder buttons on the SNES I thought I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► did but I went back and listened then [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► he's right I didn't I should have they [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► could and yes NES did have shoulder [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► buttons on it ad they that could have [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► been some of the explanation for the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► curved corners because your fingers kind [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► of wrap around but the shoulder buttons [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► were mostly on top so I put in the [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► shownotes link to what those shoulder [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► buttons look like Sega Genesis [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► controller that's one that a lot of [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► people wrote in about and that I [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► definitely should not have omitted I [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► don't know how that slipped my mind [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► there but in retrospect it's definitely [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► one of the controllers that I should [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► have talked about in my tour of of [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► significant controllers obviously I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► couldn't get every controller like I [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► knew I wasn't going to be able to put in [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► something about every single controller [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► that uh people want to hear about but [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the Genesis was fairly significant so [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► I'll talk a little bit about it now I [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► put the picture in the show notes if you [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► can pull that up you know what I'm [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► talking about and if you're listening [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► you can pull it up and know what I'm [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► talking about unless you're had a Sega [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► Genesis and you already know how do I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► get how do they get to the show notes so [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► it's five by five TV slash hypercritical [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► slash number of the episode right in [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► this case 55 Oh yep and we want to say [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► thanks Allah to help spot com for making [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► the show notes possible yeah and on the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► show notes the last episode had the [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► longest show notes I think by far Vani [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► also have ever done and totally huge [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► list of Link's is great I think this [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► episode will also have a big list links [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► they already added a whole bunch on [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► there so the Genesis controller predates [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► the the SNES controller it has a d-pad [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► on the left but it's an eight-way pad [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► because you've got the regular d-pad and [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► then you've also got like the 45s that [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► you can tip it at on the right it's got [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► three buttons in kind of an arc on an [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► angle to where so your thumb can sweep [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► across them and it's got a start button [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► up there but the shape of it it's not a [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► rectangle it's kind of like a boomerang [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► with tiny little sort of nubs instead of [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► horns like they weren't ready to go [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► full-fledged modern controller horns [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► poking up the bottom but it does have [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► these little nubs that you could like [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► loop your fingers around to get a little [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► leverage on the buttons it's much more [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► it it's definitely more ergonomic than [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► the SNES controller which had things [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► kind of at right-angles here and there [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► are and it was basically a straight body [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► but it's also kind of more organic and [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► this is where things get confusing like [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► is it there's a distinction between [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► organic and organic organic shapes is [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► like oh there's no straight lines no [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► right angles and people tend to think [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► things that have organic shapes are [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► ergonomically that have organic shapes [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► are done for style reasons like the [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► bodies of most modern cars have shapes [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► that you could say or organic they're [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► shaped like like a sack filled with [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► water or muscles stretching over [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► something or they're curved shapes that [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► remind you of living things but no one [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► is holding a car in their hand you know [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► it's not it's not that shape you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► aerodynamic something to do with - but [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it's not that shape because someone's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► gripping it in the same way a lot of [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► times consumer electronic products are [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► made with organic shapes because we have [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► the manufacturing technology to be able [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► to break out of straight lines and right [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► angles but it doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that they're manufactured with ergonomic [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► sin mind for something it's going to [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► behold they didn't you know say well [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► what does this feel like the hold and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► what's the best way to let it be held [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► securely in a way that the fingers can [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► touch all the things that they're [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► supposed to touch a lot of times it's an [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► organic shape that just looked really [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► cool to the designer so I think the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► genesis has a little bit of that it [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► definitely has a lot of ergonomics in it [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► with the layout of the buttons and how [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► they're arcing with your thumb and I [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► think the little horns they're also kind [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► of an ergonomic thing but overall like [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the why is the whole thing curved why is [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► the you know why are the top and bottom [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► curved what does that really add to it [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► or is that I don't know it's kind of [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► like on the borderline I'm suspicious [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► because of that generation of consoles a [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► lot of the consoles themselves also had [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► our Ganic shapes and no one's holding [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the consoles themselves in there playing [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► so a lot of it is also fashion but [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► Genesis was definitely significant [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► controller and it was being much more [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► daring than the SNES controller in [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► general Sega was trying to be more [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► daring than [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► in ten deterring that periods intended [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► was the incumbent and they were trying [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► to usurp them yes and a self-described [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► Sega fanboy Marco Arment rights to tell [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► me that it was shameful that I should [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► that I left out the SNA a bid the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► genesis controller as he loved the [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► awesome eight way round d-pad then he [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► had many other comments on game consoles [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► most of them are out of the scope of [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► this discussion but I'm glad that uh I [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► know this is his outing Marco is a gamer [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► I don't think you guys have ever really [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► talked about video games on his show no [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► we never really have never Brian he [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► don't think he's much of a gamer he's [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► you know he doesn't owned many of these [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► consoles but really he's played them as [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► a child so the Genesis has a special [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► place in his heart and I apologize to [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► people who have great affection for the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Genesis Genesis that I should have [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► included its controller in there what [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► made you choose the specific controllers [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► that you talked about why why were [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► certain ones omitted um [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► I mean that's a good question like it [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► seemed when I did it I didn't spend a [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► lot of time fighting about which ones [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► should I include it was like oh I should [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► know which ones I should include um and [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► if I and again didn't know how genesis [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► got locked out probably because I was [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► just building up so many links and tabs [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that I was like I gotta trim this and [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► then just skipped over it mostly what I [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► was looking for was popular consoles so [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► it's like I'm going to omit the obscure [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► stuff right so things that sold in large [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► numbers and if there was ever a conflict [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► that would try to pick the most popular [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► one from that generation and I wanted to [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► show a progression now as I get to the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► modern consoles I tried to do all of [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► them so I did 360 ps3 and we are well [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► you know a little bit of the Wii [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► GameCube type thing there but for the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► older consoles there were so many ones [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► that most people are won't remember [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► anymore and if if the points that I [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► wanted to make were made by the more [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► popular console controller I didn't need [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► to cover the more obscure one so one of [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the other ones people talked about was a [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► Dreamcast controller and there was [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► another one that I skipped if I had [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► talked about the green Dreamcast [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► controller I probably would've been a [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► sidebar because I didn't particularly [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► like the Dreamcast controller I thought [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► it was uncomfortable because it had I [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► don't know what you would even call it I [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► think I put some pictures in the show [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► notes about this but who had kind of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► like the underside was like two long [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► rails that were parallel to each other [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that you grip [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► it seemed very awkward to me like you [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► curled your fingers under the rim of [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► them instead of wrapping your hand [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► around something you know what I mean [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► yeah you see that picture in the [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► shownotes now I do I don't know if you [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► ever used a Dreamcast controller and it [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► also had the what was that thing called [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► the V mu was called that the VMS in [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► japan this is all for Wikipedia and the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► VM in Europe is the visual memory unit [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► had this little slide II in PDA looking [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► thing that was a memory card but it also [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► had an LCD screen on that you could you [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► know take out of one controller and put [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► into another it wasn't it wasn't a color [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► LCD screen I don't think it looked like [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► a little Gameboy itself you can see that [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► in the Wikipedia picture that we could [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► talk forever about the Dreamcast [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► controller and why the Dreamcast didn't [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► catch on a lot of people did like the [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► Dreamcast controller in my limited use [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► of it I found it very uncomfortable to [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► you is very uncomfortable to hold those [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► rails like that like if you look at the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► shape of the controller from the top [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► it's one of the few controllers that I [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► can think of where the horns or the [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► little like lower things angle in [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► instead of out obviously your hands are [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► coming from a wider stance than the [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► controller so it seems like anything on [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► a controller should angle out but these [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► were the underside was like parallel I [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► found it very awkward but I left that [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► one out just because it is a sort of [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► obscure less successful thing and the [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► point I wanted to make was not wouldn't [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► be helped by exploring another control [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► that I thought had some problems but it [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► did definitely have a lot of innovations [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► there and that's true of all the ones I [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► skipped I mean I put a link to the game [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► consoles page of Wikipedia in the show [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► notes people written about Sega Master [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► System Atari Jaguar turbo graphx 16 and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► there's other obscure ones that no one [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► wrote and about that I also could have [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► thrown in there you know the M - does [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► anyone the chat room know what the m2 is [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► without googling it probably not 3do [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► people at least heard of that CDI lots [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► of awful unsuccessful game machines with [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► controllers that were strange mutant [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► derivation of the successful ones or [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► sometimes very innovative with [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► innovative and scare quotes because they [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► were you know innovative to the point of [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► being awful and it's it's too big a feel [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► so I really just wanted to hit on like [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► the major players and that's why I [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► picked what I did but Ghent Genesis I'd [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► the Genesis was important because it was [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► a sort of a rebel incarnation of the [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► SNES whereas like well Nintendo dominate [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► with NES we're going to end with the [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► Genesis we're going to come out to [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► market before the SNES and we're going [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► to be more daring with our controller [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► designs that's why they should have been [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► included to show that someone who didn't [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► have a you know they had the Sega Master [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► System but they were they were trying to [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► usurp the leader and they were willing [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► to be more innovative in the controller [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► designed to do so and we've seen that [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► you know modern history we like the Wii [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► trying to usurp the dominant force to [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► the PlayStation by being very innovative [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► with the controller a Logan Hall writes [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► in to say the Dreamcast controller [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► should have been included because it was [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► a big influence on the Xbox Microsoft [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► had a significant partnership with Sega [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► on the Dreamcast project at one point I [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► think they were trying to make the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► Dreamcast on Windows I don't know if it [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► ever actually did run any kind of [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► Windows offer but there was a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► relationship between those two companies [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► and a lot of people have see resemblance [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► in the Xbox controller and the Dreamcast [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► controller let me squint you can kind of [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► see it I guess certainly they didn't do [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► the vmu or anything like that and in the [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► xbox controller though the other thing I [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► got a lot of feedback up about besides [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► oh missions were non-standard [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► controllers controllers that were not [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► included with systems and I was [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► intentionally avoiding all those because [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► like if you think the world the standard [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► control which is big the world of [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► aftermarket their body controllers or [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► even first party controllers that were [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► sold after the fact that's just enormous [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► but there are a couple of significant [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► innovations that are worth talking about [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► I think one of them was the NES max got [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► at do I not have the NES max open and [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► the thing here I got to find that did [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► you ever play with the NES marek never [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► now when it came up I'd heard of it [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► before but I had the wrong thing in my [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► head I was thinking of the NES advantage [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► which is the big arcade style joystick [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► do you ever play with that I've seen [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► that I'd not use that all right all [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► actually pull this up because somehow I [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► did not get this thing where it should [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► be so this was a rien Moonen [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► sorry reading I got that [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► your first name or last name the NES max [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► looked like an NES controller but it had [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► kind of horns pokin not not really horns [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► that poke down but like little it was [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► like an upside down u shape so in that [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► respect it was like the genesis [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► controller but less organic shape but [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► with like more prominent horns poking [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► down from it and it was an aftermarket [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► controller because it had things like [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► turbo buttons on it where you could [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► press that button to make it as if you [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► were firing the a or the B button faster [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► than you could humanly fired unless you [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► had really really put in a lot of time [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► with summer games and developed a system [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► of twitching your muscles such that the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► the your finger was moving imperceptibly [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► but repeatedly activating the button and [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that was an important skill to have when [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► the aliens come and someone needs to [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► press a button hundreds or thousands of [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► times a second somewhere some kid who [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► had an NES who is not a dolt will be [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► ready but anyway it had that feature it [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► also had like this slighty disc thing in [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the middle of what where the d-pad would [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► be and it has surrounding circular ring [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► where you could press in eight different [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► directions I never spent any time with [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► this so I don't really know how it would [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► feel to use that little slightly [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► discipling instead of a d-pad but that's [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► what did after market is for after [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► market is for things that they weren't [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► confident enough in to put in the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► standard controller but people might [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► enjoy a few people might enjoy might be [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► willing to spend a little bit of extra [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► money to try it out and then found that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► dnes advantage that I had already [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► mentioned was supposed to look like an [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► arcade stick had a big joystick with a [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► ball a top of it poking out just like an [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► arcade machine and it was a big thing [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► with the metal bottom and rubber feet [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► and you put it on a tabletop instead of [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► holding in your hands and had two huge [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► buttons kind of arcade sized buttons and [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► it also had turbos on them with dials [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► that you could adjust the rate of the [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► turbos there were also slow motion [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► things where it would simulate slow [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► motion by repeatedly sending the signal [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► for the I forget if it's a start or [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► select key but one of the keys that [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► would pause the games they would like [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► pause play pause play pause play to slow [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► down the motion in games that you were [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► having trouble beating because you lack [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► the hand-eye coordination to [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► successfully pass that particular level [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► in Megaman and I'm sure many kids [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► appreciated that although it was kind of [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► a hack [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► John foggers writes in to tell me that [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the I gave the PlayStation controllers a [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► little bit short shrift when I talked [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► about the DualShock because there was [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► actually an analog stick for the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► PlayStation before the DualShock and [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► that was the playstation analog joystick [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► as it was called I looked just like a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► DualShock but the handles are longer and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it was released for a bunch of Japanese [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► titles that supposedly benefited from [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► analog control but it was kind of like [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► it was kind of weird where you're like [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► well can I use the analog sticks with [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► this particular game has this game been [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► designed for the analog sticks other was [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► apparently three different analog modes [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that you could put it into it was kind [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► of I mean it was an official product but [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► it wasn't it wasn't the complete [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► revolution like the n64 was where like [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you know of course the game works with [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the analog stick on the n64 it comes [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► with the system that you're expected to [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► work that this was definitely an [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► aftermarket thing and it was released [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► the United States after was least in [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► Japan as things always were done back [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► then but it's very shortly after was [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► loose the United States the DualShock [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► was released in Japan and then [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► eventually dual stock came to the US and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► just wiped out all memory of the analog [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► joystick and it can be argued that the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► dual analog controller not the doing [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► electronically I've got it now the dual [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► analog controller was a a I swapped the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► names for the analog joystick is the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► name of the thing that I'm about to talk [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► about so the PlayStation analog joystick [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► was too huge like flight stick looking [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► things poking out of a thing that you [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► put on a table and it can be argued that [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the dual analog controller which was [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► kind of like the DualShock without the [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► shock and longer horns is simply a [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► miniaturized derivation of the dual [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► analog controller where they took those [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► two giant analog sticks they had for [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► flight sim games and robot games and put [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► them in miniature form and tack them [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► onto their controller there and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► apparently even the dual analog [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► controller even had some sort of rumble [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► feature so I'm not quite sure why the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► name DualShock only came in later if the [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► dual analog controller actually had [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► Rumble in it I know but credit where [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► credit is due [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► Sony did have analog sticks tacked on in [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► strange locations before the DualShock [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► and I asked I asked onfocus who's he was [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► talking about this well and he said he [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► hated the the dual analog controller and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► I'm looking at it I'm like well other [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► than the longer horns what was the big [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► deal it looks doesn't look that much [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► different than the DualShock what was [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► what was worse about it and why did it [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► sort of become extinct and the DualShock [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► took its place and he mentioned that the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► weirdly long horns bothered him he [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► didn't like the three different analog [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► modes there was no push down on the [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► analog stick buttons I don't see that as [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► a big downside I think those that push [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► down the Alec stick buttons are weird [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► these sticks themselves were concave on [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the top but were slippery instead of [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► having that grippy rubber and it only [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► came in gray so his reasons for [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► disliking the that the analog it is kind [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► of like a transitional like in the and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► earth all branch of the tree that just [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► died out and then we had the dual the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► DualShock what who shape came to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► dominate and speaking of strange shapes [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► that uh that they're sort of dead ends [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the evolutionary tree a lot of people [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► brought up the the Wii classic [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► controller have you ever seen that [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► yes our Wii classic controller that was [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the thing that came out around the time [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that they announced the ability for you [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► to download the classic I guess they [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► were SNES and maybe some NES games and I [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► guess it wasn't as easy or convenient to [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► hold the Wii sideways and use it that [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► way and there were some I guess [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► functions that were missing from it is [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► that is that the premise behind it it's [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► confusing to me too because that they [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► did design the Wii controller so like [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► you said you could hold it sideways and [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► if you hold it sideways and you squint [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► you can say all that now there's a d-pad [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► right and you've got two buttons they're [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► in line with each other so it kind of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► looks like an NES control and you can [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► play you know you can download Super [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► Mario Brothers for the NES and the Wii [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Virtual Console and play it on your [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► sideways Wiimote alright at but they [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► decided they wanted to have a different [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► controller for that I guess and what it [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► looks like it's weird [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► so if you look at it it looks kind of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like a blobby [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► Lauzon shape and its got a d-pad on the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► left and the primary control [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► location and four buttons in a squash [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► cross SNES style a B and X and y and [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► then tuck down below it insert of the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► PlayStation analog stick location are [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► two analog sticks so this weird hybrid [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► enter shoulder buttons and all that [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► stuff and there's actually a what is it [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► called the Classic Controller Pro which [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► is that same controller with two horns [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► sticking out of it so it's very it's [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► kind of odd to me and but the main [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► reason I didn't bring it up is I kind of [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► alright so it looks like an SNES control [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► with two analog sticks right and I kind [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► of give it a pass because it's called [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the classic controller and presumably [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► you're playing classic games with it so [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► if you're going to play an NES game or [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► an SNES game it makes sense to have a [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► controller shaped like an NES or SNES [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► because those games are selling to [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► people based on nostalgia and the d-pad [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► is the primary control for NES and SNES [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► games right so should it not be in the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► primary control spot a lot of people [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► saying why didn't you complain about the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► classic controller looks just like a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► PlayStation controller in terms of [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► layout albeit without the horn so the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► the pro version does have the little [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► horns I get to pass because it's the [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► classic controller you're supposed to [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► use the d-pad to do you know so it [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► should be set up like that [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► now the problem comes in where the Wii [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► you can play GameCube games on and they [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► say oh you know plug in your classic [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► control and you can play GameCube games [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► with it well aim cube games the analog [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► control was the primary control and all [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► of a sudden you're telling me to play a [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► GameCube game with the Ness NES [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► controller basically with analog sticks [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► tacked on that makes me angry but the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► Wii has GameCube controller ports on it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► so I never even considered buying [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► classic controller because I don't [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► really play a lot of the NES and SNES [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► games when I play GameCube games I plug [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► in one of my many GameCube controllers [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► and that's a much better experience I [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► would never play a GameCube game with [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the classic control that would just be [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► very strange hmm awkward uh but on that [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► topic a couple people wrote in to tell [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► me god I thought I had this name here [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► but apparently I don't to tell me that [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► modern-day Weez [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► oh it's has been in Norway game it was [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the first one to write this information [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► and many others did modern-day we do not [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► have GameCube [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► support in them the 2012 we's if you [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► were to go into a store now and buy a [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► Wii console that had shipped [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► star in 2012 they removed GameCubes [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► apart there's no more GameCube [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► controller ports on the side there's no [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► more GameCube memory slots nothing the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the I don't think the drive will even [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► let you insert a one of those miniature [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► GameCube discs and I have done the [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► previous episode we just talked about [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► how backward compatibility is kind of [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► used as a boon to get people to upgrade [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► to the next-generation ball and [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► protecting their investment old games [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► but that eventually they always drop it [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► because it's a well we can make the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► Machine more cheaply if we don't have [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► backward compatibility [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► it's especially egregious in the case of [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the Wii though because as we discussed [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► the Wii is really just the same CPU GPU [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► combination as the Gamecube only higher [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► clock speed and with a few additional [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► features and then a bunch of other stuff [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► tacked on to it like Wi-Fi and flash [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► memory and stuff like that so it's not [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► like in the case of the ps3 where when [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► they had ps2 compatibility they had to [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► basically stick an entire ps2 on a [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► single chip inside the ps3 and that's [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► how you get your ps2 compatibility it's [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► not really padded Billy they just shove [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► the ps2 on the motherboard along with [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► the ps3 stuff and it's way cheaper for [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► them to just ditch all that and say well [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► here's your ps3 no more ps2 support we [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► can make this board much cheaper if we [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► just amid all those chips in the case of [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► the Wii I maybe they could get rid of [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► some I Oh controllers for the memory [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► cards and for the four controller ports [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► but I imagine that was all condensed [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► down into a couple of small chips anyway [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► but the main thing there getting rid of [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► are all those ports themselves and I've [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► always heard that adding ports adding [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► connectors or slots or anything is [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► surprisingly expensive on electronics [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► components and the more of those you can [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► get rid of the you know it really [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► reduces manufacturing costs much more [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► than you would think it would was like [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► well what's the big deals just in holes [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► in a case and some metal connectors just [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► everything associated with it with every [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► connector really does add cost and [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► there's only so far you can get that [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► cost down we're just I always thought [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► was also one of the reasons that Apple [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► wants to reduce the number of ports [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► because you know it's that every one of [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► those holes every one of those [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► connectors on every one of those things [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► that has to be durable enough of someone [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► to stick something in and out of and not [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► catch on fire and not wiggle loose and [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► not corrode and be sturdy and have the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► you know the correct analog circuitry to [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► avoid arcing and sparks and overloads [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and all its [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► often in the kayo control is for that [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► stop adds up so it really is a shame I [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► think that Nintendo ditched the GameCube [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► support but I can kind of see a reason [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► for it if they really just want to drive [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► the cost of the Wii console down down [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► further and further presumably they've [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► already got all the chips that make up [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► what we consolidated into a very small [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► number [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► I usually pretty good about doing that [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► from the beginning I should have put [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► that in the show it's one of my favorite [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► motherboard and of course we all have [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► favorite motherboards right [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► it means Steve Jobs one of my favorite [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► motherboards ever was the Nintendo [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► GameCube motherboard the Gamecube maybe [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► my favorite console ever in terms of [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► hardware design in terms of balancing [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► cost of manufacturing with the power [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that you get from it you know this [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► compromises and every time you're making [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► some of this you want to make it cheap [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► enough to buy you want to be powerful [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► but you want it to be easy to program [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► but you want it to be sturdy and small [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► and not too noisy and just you know it's [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► a series of compromises but underneath [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► all this it's amazing to me that you'd [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► be the motherboard for the Gamecube is [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► just such a beautiful object if I could [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► get one of those in a frame I would I [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► mean google it now do you know what it [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► looks like off an not offhand why don't [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► want while you google it were 40 minutes [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► in let me do our first sponsor ok [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► harvest it's a painless way to track [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► time and keep track of your project [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► budget send your clients beautiful [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► professional invoices via email PDF or [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► on the web you can accept online credit [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► card and check payments and more and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► there's even a free companion iPhone and [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► Android app so you can track time and [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► expenses on the go basically you take a [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► picture of your receipt and uploads [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► right into the app is very cool and this [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► all integrates seamlessly with your [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► favorite small business apps like you [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► know Google Apps Basecamp [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► you name it you can try it free for 30 [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► days figure out just how it works [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► because it will help you run your [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► business better 2012 you don't need a [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► credit card you don't you know they [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► don't tie you into a long-term [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► obligation at all and here's what you do [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► you go to get harvest calm / 5 by 5 get [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► harvest calm / 5 by 5 sign up for the [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► free 30-day trial and after that use the [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► code 5x5 TV when you check out and get [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► 50% off [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► your first month you get it you got to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► get in there before January 31st 2012 [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► harvest I was going to say that I think [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► I have on my hard drive somewhere my own [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► personally saved high-resolution copy of [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► the of a picture of the Gamecube [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► motherboard because I loved it so much [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► and I probably do so maybe I will [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► actually upload that and put in the show [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► notes but for now I found one on Google [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► Image Search [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► it just Google for a GameCube [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► motherboard you'll find it so if you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► look at like the PlayStation 1 or 2 what [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► did I do an article in it someone KJ [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► healing a chatroom is found it's found [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► an article that I wrote about it there [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► you go I wrote a whole article about how [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► much I love the motherboard from the fat [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► pits blog 5 years ago that's why I [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► didn't remember I'm an old man I'll put [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► that in the show notes if you look at [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► like the PlayStation 2 with the Xbox [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► motherboard somebody's really good about [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► this well they will they will launch [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► their console where they can just you [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► know just make it manufacturable and I [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► usually lose money on it in the first [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► iteration and then they constantly [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► refine it how can we get this to be [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► fewer chips of the process shrinks and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► everything let's combine these things [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► that used to be two chip chips into one [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► chip let's combine those four chips into [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► one chip and just keep going till you [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► can get your entire previous generation [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► console on a single chip right and [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► Nintendo has it has done a little bit of [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► that in recent years and certainly done [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that with the remakes of the NES and the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► iterations of the Gamecube but with [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► their consoles they've always been [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► historically of the opinion that they [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► should make profit from day one that [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► they should not make a console that cost [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► them five hundred dollars to build they [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► sell for 200 bucks and just rely on the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► fact that Moore's law will make that [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► thing cheaper to manufacture so the down [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► the line they can be making money and [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► they'll make it up in games in Tendo has [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► always been kind of especially this [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► smells to me like Hiroshi emojis [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► Yamauchi sorry his sort of mo we're like [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► why should we lose money we have such a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► fabulous product we're awesome we should [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► pay us and we should make money on every [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► console we build from day one and if [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► it's too expensive won't find a way to [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► make it less expensive because I'm not [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► going to take a loss on the console why [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► would I take a loss this is an awesome [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► thing that we're building they should [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► pay us and we should make money like a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► very as a Vince to go says a very Apple [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► like thinking like you know we should [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► make money shouldn't wait let's make [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► money so in 10 [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► supposedly again we don't know for a [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► fact because Nintendo keeps us stuff [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► pretty close to the best but supposedly [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► has always made money on its consoles [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► from day one which is flies in the face [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► of what everyone else the industry is [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► done and you can look at that's another [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► reason I think they're impressive if you [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► look at the GameCube motherboard this [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► was the Gamecube motherboard on day one [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► of the Gamecube obviously the the thing [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► looks vaguely cube shaped so the [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► motherboard is basically a square in the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► center of the square is one almost [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► centered exactly the square is one big [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► giant chip which is the GPU by ATI and a [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► bunch of other stuff TechEd in there and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► then above it centered again slightly [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► smaller square is the IBM PowerPC CPU [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► and then below the big square thing in [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► the middle are what I believe the two [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► memory chips and then there's a bunch of [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► diodes and resistors another surface [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► mount things and through holes for all [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the i/o connectors but that's basically [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► the whole motherboard did you pull up [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► this picture yet yes is that not a thing [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► of beauty [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► what CPU GPU - chips of memory square [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► motherboard and that's basically I mean [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► obviously stuff on the underside and as [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► all the connectors and all the analog [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► components and the power supply and a [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► lot of stuff but this thing is a thing [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► of beauty and to imagine like this is [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► not revision 17 of this where they came [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► out with this on day one this is an [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► amazing triumph of engineering I'm [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► probably I'm just repeating everything [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► that's in my in the article here anyway [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► I encourage everyone to read it like [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► this is bowed down before it in the yes [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and it is it is a nice-looking [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► motherboard sure yeah I mean that's [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► that's kind of it reminds me of the [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► Steve Jobs stories like I don't like how [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the traces on this motherboard look [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► let's redesign them the engineers were [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► like that's crazy and they basically [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► ignored him it's amazing when it all [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► comes together when you can say we're [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► going to make a machine that is more [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► powerful than the dominant leader it's [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► more powerful in the PlayStation 2 which [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► people can argue about with the size the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► disk enough but I think it was easy to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► program for relative to our competition [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► make a profit from day one sell it more [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► cheaply and have such a beautiful board [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that like combining it you'd have to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► combine the CPU and GPU which we're all [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► I know they eventually did but like it's [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► pretty it's pretty minimal you know that [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► I think later in the article I linked to [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► the Xbox motherboard [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► to contrast it to the Gamecube [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► motherboards it's a wide difference god [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► I cannot calm these tangents we never [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► get through this yeah so we can read the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► article about the GameCube motherboard [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► there another third-party controller now [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► we're getting to the monitor many people [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► sent me links to mad Katz's major league [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► gaming pro circuit controller the Xbox [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► 360 Mad Catz by the way is conveniently [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► ends in an S CA TZ nicely sidestepping [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the s apostrophe s issues the iPad right [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► so like it Z you just do apostrophe s no [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► fuss this incidentally is the same Cano [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► this is not the same thing all right [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► I'll get to that the next thing alright [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► so if you look at this what it looks [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► like is an Xbox 360 controller with the [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► analog stick up on the left and then a [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► secondary analog stick down below the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► buttons which are in a nice cross shape [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► and then this little d-pad the tricky [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► bit about it is that all those controls [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► the two analog sticks and the d-pad are [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► removable they're like they're in [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► sockets so you can take the faceplate [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► off and take the D to D pads the two [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► analog sticks and d-pad out of their [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► sockets and rearrange them any way you [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► want so if you want both your analog [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► sticks down and kind of the PlayStation [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► location because that's comfortable to [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► you you can put them there if you want [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► them styled like an Xbox you can in [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► theory I guess you could probably put [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► the two analog sticks next to each other [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► on the left side although I'm not sure [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► how you would use them this is a serious [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► piece of hardware obviously any time you [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► have configurable controllers it reminds [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► me that the Razer mice that are that are [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► configured with different weights inside [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► them and stuff like that and okay they [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► even have different analog sticks if you [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► prefer convex analog stick to a concave [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► one you can just take them you know swap [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► them out for each other there are weight [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► clips that you clip on to it to give it [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► the right balance and weight that you [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► want this is some serious stuff and I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► this is what third party controller [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► should be there shouldn't be cheap [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► pieces of crap that try to imitate [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► imitate the first party controllers and [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► fail and feel cheap they should be like [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► you know high-end type of things are [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► more advanced intelligent something [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that's better than the first party [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► controller was so many third party [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► control to historically have not been [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► better than the first party controller [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► isn't it and the only point would be [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► like well you can save ten bucks now so [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► I applaud Mad Catz for this this product [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► and the other one I want to talk about [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► is the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and control adventure this is the one [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► that had the big blowup with Penny [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► Arcade recently it wasn't the company [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► that makes the controller it was the [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► person that I had doing near PR and a [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► bad in a bad way yeah and so you can [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► link to the Penny Arcade story and this [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► is kind of a sideshow but he was a bad [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► PR person but the controller itself is [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► very interesting how to describe it it's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► not really a controller so much as a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► thing that attached your controller kind [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► of like the alien attaches to faces that [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► the face huggers right this thing is the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► controller is interesting uh and I saw [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► many pictures of this and I said I was [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like how how the hell is this thing even [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► gonna work are you looking at a picture [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► of it now yes it looks like us like what [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► are those tubes they have liquid in them [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► is it I don't how does it what is the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► advantage of this or why would you ever [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► want to do this it looks like it control [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► that it's strapping onto your thing and [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► it's it's got these little devices that [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► are poised over the buttons on your xbox [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► you have this an engine that's already [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► here oh I got all this yeah don't you [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► know dad uh yeah it's a very weird uh [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► it's a very weird looking thing it [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► almost looks like you've use your knees [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► to bump it boom yeah I'm like you've [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► ever seen something in a car where [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► perhaps somebody who doesn't have full [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► use of their limbs or something they [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► have an attachment that allows them to [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► drive without maybe foot controls or [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► something it like like that it almost [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► looks like something like that like if [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you had an extra appendage leave that to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► your imagination but an extra bandage [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► that you wanted to use to control some [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► of the games there's little levers and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► other things coming out of it extra [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► buttons extra things it it really looks [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► like something from buckaroo banzai and [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► some of the stories that I click to [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► through reading the Penny Arcade you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► know PR Fiasco with that PR guy yeah [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► where are people saying that this [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► controller was of interest to disabled [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► gamers who have you know a lady ghost of [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► some more their limbs and so I was I was [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► trying to get a handle alright so is [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► this something let's people who have [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► have limited use of their hands or some [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► other physical problem it helps them to [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► be able to play games or is this [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► something like like the Mad Catz [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► controller where it's like for super [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► duper pros it seems like it's both and I [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► that I had it explained to me by [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► googling around and finding videos of [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► people demonstrating this so I put one [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► of the YouTube video in the show notes [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► link and you can see the person you know [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► demonstrating how to play with it and [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► why you might want to do it and the [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► upshot for me I think is that it allows [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► obviously if you can't do the movements [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► that are required to hold a regular Xbox [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► controller this thing uses different [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► movements and if that you find those [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► movements easier you know for your range [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► of physical abilities that's that's good [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► so it's good for disabled people in that [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► way but for pro people the the sale [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► seems to be have both of your thumbs on [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► the analog sticks when you're playing a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► first-person shooter because you know [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► one is your movement and one is where [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you look right and don't have to move [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► them and most first-person should just [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► try to do that they try to say okay put [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► your left thumb here but your right [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► thumb there move look at you know [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► without having to move those and then [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► use your trigger fingers to fire your [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► gun and hit shoulder buttons and stuff [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► like that ah the trouble is those [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► daren't face buttons because you've [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► already got both your thumbs occupied [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► and underneath you've got your fingers [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► using the triggers and shoulders but the [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► game's inevitably use those face buttons [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► so to switch weapons to to duck to go [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► into different stances to do you know to [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► lean toward you all the things that you [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► might do and so what do you hit those [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► with your tongue alright so this this [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► setup allows you to keep both your [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► thumbs on the the analog sticks use your [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► fingers below for the triggers but also [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► use your fingers below you know so using [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► your fingers to pull on the triggers and [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► shoulder buttons but to push your [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► fingers outwards to hit a series of [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► levers which will transfer transform [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that motion into downward motion on the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► buttons is actually even elastic strings [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► on the bottom that you twitch those [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► elastic strings and that pulls the [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► triggers for you so you get more of a [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► hair-trigger effect and the little [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► things that are poised over the buttons [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► on the face of the controller have [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► adjustable little dials on them to get [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► them you know you spin them down so this [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► just almost to the contact point of the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► X button so you just barely need to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► flick that thing to hit the X button to [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► you know switch weapons or change [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► stances or something this is a really [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► interesting third-party product to me so [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► I can see what everyone was excited [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► about it and the Penny Arcade thing was [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► kind of a sideshow or it's like no the [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► product itself that we're not [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► controlling about it's this one PR guy [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► who was a jerk um [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► although apparently there have been [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► delays in getting this product to people [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I think the popularity of it has perhaps [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► exceeded their expectations or or maybe [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► there's just some sort of manufacturing [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► problem but some people have had it in [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► their hand so I suggest everyone who is [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► interested in this look at that video if [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► you haven't seen it already I put it in [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► the show notes of someone demonstrating [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► how this thing works and it is really [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► interesting and innovative and amazing [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► of course what it says to me is it [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► reinforces to my my personal notion that [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► first-person shooters are much better [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► play with a mouse a keyboard that they [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► did controller is not the right tool for [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► that job and attaching this facehugger [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► to the controller perhaps makes it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► better suited and gives you an edge when [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► playing these type of games but I would [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► still much rather play a first-person [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► shooter with the mouse and a keyboard [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► and it can be argued the keyboard is a [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► crappy tool for this too but at the very [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► least you know the mouse gives you [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► freedom to look round on the keyboard [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► you have five fingers and many different [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► keys and you can arrange things in many [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► different ways and customize them and [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► get custom keypads so I think with a [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► stock mouse and keyboard is a better [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► tool for a Brooklyn shooter than a stock [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► controller but maybe this thing maybe [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► this thing gives a it narrows that gap [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► slightly alright is this going to be the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► last one and we'll see so on the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► playstation controller which I [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► complained about in the last show there [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► were as expected some defenders of the [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► playstation controller some of them gave [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► me replies on Twitter and emails I [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► couldn't tell if they were trying to [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► make a joke by exactly saying things [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► that I said that PlayStation fans would [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► say sometimes word-for-word or if they [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► were just serious and I thought they [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► were serious but I think some of the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► more serious but you know the the reason [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► I said I know you're going to say X Y [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► and Z's because I thought that's what [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► they were going to say and they did so I [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► don't know its self-fulfilling prophecy [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► but one of them [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► Dave Cheney from our chat room D singing [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► the chatroom gave a very long very nice [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► very well composed reply did you see his [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► email and I did get so much feedback [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► from all the different shows I I know I [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► do and I have it I have it here there's [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► I have about a hundred 200 emails [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► in the hypercritical folder and his his [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► had inline pictures is that correct then [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► let me pull this one out I'm trying to [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► there it is [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► this one was sent on the no I'm looking [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► at an older one from him hold on me but [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► pull up the newer one actually when what [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► does this one date it oh I gotta look it [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► up I had it open in my window by the [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► night bunch from this guy yeah this one [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► is dated two days ago the 11th no I [TS]