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00:00:17 ◼ ► today is December 23rd 2011 it's Friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/17">TS</a>]
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00:01:18 ◼ ► the lower part of the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/78">TS</a>]
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00:01:26 ◼ ► Philadelphia Pennsylvania right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► mean like as a Riesling adult uh as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► adult I lived in South Florida Central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► Carolina Raleigh area there you go for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► while more southern states yeah try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► hit them all I'm done now all right stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► here for a while I'm gonna start today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/106">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► is a episode with a quote this is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/110">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► Wallace set Stanley ser si y re okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► nothing to do it would you call him a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► super ser I don't know I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► that's how you pronounce his name he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/124">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► a professor at Columbia University in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► the early 1900's he died 1972 according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► to Wikipedia probably not a Super Saiyan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► and this quote that I just looked up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► from The Wall Street Journal in 1973 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► okay I don't know how I guess they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► quoted him after his death post post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► post whom ously quoted yes I quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/145">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► assess academic politics is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► vicious and bitter form of politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► because the stakes are so low have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► heard that saying before I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► I have I heard many times before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► they had no idea who it was attributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► to so I looked it up and that quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► applies to two topics from the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► I think and we will cover both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► in the follow-up segment Wow starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► with the most trivial of the two with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► lowest stakes and of course had the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► vicious and bitter feedback from readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► sure and that is the offhanded comment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/180">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► made during some other topic about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► didn't like how some fortune article had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► made Steve Jobs his last name possessive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► right and they had written it Jay OBS ' [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and I said I didn't like that you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/199">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► not like I liked Jay OBS apostrophe s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► now for the record I don't remember you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/203">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► saying that you thought that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► wrong I mean maybe I'm remembering this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► incorrectly I don't remember you saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/209">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► something along the lines of that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/213">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► the way to do it that's not the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► like to do it or that doesn't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► you were certainly I don't like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► what I said but yeah which which is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► but then you then you asked well before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► we get to that so it regardless of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► I said that the readers lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► Twitter lots of direct email to my arse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► account lots of email through the forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► and of course the most vicious readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/236">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► were very sure that whatever their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► position was was exactly correct like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► that there was there's no ambiguity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► to quote Darth Vader and that is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► clear-cut issue and of course we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/254">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► feedback in both sides of that clear-cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► in one direction the other number when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► we talked about it your first thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► asked me after I said I didn't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► he said well isn't this just a style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/262">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► well see when people say a style issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure what they mean I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/269">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► what I said was I don't I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► think it's like a style issue like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► you choose to write but then I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► different things but you know some style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► guide say you should do it this way some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/279">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► song I'd say you should do it the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/280">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► way so it's not it's clearly an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► with a I don't think anybody has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► authority to say this is the absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► right way to do it because because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► opinions do vary so much but I very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► strongly prefer one particular way so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► I was creating my style guide obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► I would say that you should do it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► examples from Twitter and email stuff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► things that people said so here is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► guess this is an email here is Brian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► Brandon Lennox saying this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► straightforward as you can get this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► not a stylistic choice the fortunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► treatment was incorrect and Isaacson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/321">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► miraculously gets a right Isaacson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► book by the way it says J OBS apostrophe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► s which is the way I like it better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► now you're a fan of Isaacson and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► know so this is this is Brandon Lennox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► and he said then he falls it up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► saying I speak with the authority of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/335">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► amateur bloggers so obviously he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► little tongue in cheek there ah lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► feedback from people whose Nate whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► last names ended s to example there Adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► weeks and Rob Matthews and both of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► prefer to have the apostrophe s added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/348">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► the end of their names and Rob Matthews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► actually recommends reading the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► eats shoots and leaves everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► one have not seen that one it's fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/357">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► well known like book about grammar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► punctuation never never seen it made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► through my English degree without ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► hearing event and I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► eats shoots and leaves yeah I part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► the book for I think I've a read part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► it but I'm presuming that it's support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► you know when I'm looking at the I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/375">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► looking at the cover now here on Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► which I'll put this in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and and it is familiar to me I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► sure I have seen this but I hey yeah why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/384">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► not like refer to the Chicago Manual of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► style for that so and then so those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► on one side on the other side you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/392">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► Josh Biggs I can't help reading his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► names and I think blast Biggs where are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► you well here he is he's on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► uh says I don't know what kind of school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► Syracuse who went to but as a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► with last name that ends in s the proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► possessive is esta pasto he's a last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► name s ender who likes it the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► he just likes s apostrophe ed and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► he says and for the record s apostrophe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► s is the British Standard whereas the s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► apostrophe is the American convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► hmm most of the people who are just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► sure of whatever they're both these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/423">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► people who are who are you know I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► it this way because I have last name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► ending with s that gives me some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/428">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► authority to say how it should be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► way the other obviously even the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► with last names ending in S can't agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► but but so people are just so sure about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► it and it makes me wonder no they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► they don't even phrase it in like I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► it this way better or whatever just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/441">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► there is one correct way josh biggs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► saying there's one correct way for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► british standard is one correct way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/447">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► america no ambiguity i mean i guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► hard to get mp18 one in 140 character so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► that may not be a fair characterization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► and then some fellow named Dan Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► response to Josh Biggs and says I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/458">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► see how polite a I'm not to correct him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/462">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► on the trail never correct you on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► show see that when I read that it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► you think that you think I needed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► corrected and that you have a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► opinion one way or the other honest I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► I do what is yours your show that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► looking you know I know what is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► opinion I ask ' of course obviously I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► think there's ambiguity well no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► ambiguity oh did now now listen if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► if you're Steve Jobs or Matthews or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► whoever and you you want to add the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/487">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► preference just like you can wear a blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► sweater instead of a red sweater who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/494">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► cares you know it's your your own choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► but as far as the one true correct way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► to do it of course it's s apostrophe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► come on it has to be the funeral edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► because the fewer letters the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► always alright so how do you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/508">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► had you come to that realization how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/511">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► that come to it because fewer letters if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► your letters are better the less I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► to write or type the better so it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► it's like your personal your personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► rule is the fewer letters have to type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► the better therefore this is what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► taught in my in my technical writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► classes the more efficient you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/530">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► don't say utilize when you can say use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► you know you focus on the most clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► concise effective way to communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► something so if it if the choice is left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► up to me and I'm going to type J OB s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/544">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► apostrophe s or J OB s apostrophe why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► add the extra SH I don't need down who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/551">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► but mostly 2011 who had strong opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► when we did not say from where their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► opinions come a lot of them I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► grammar rules from either what they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► been taught in school or reading grammar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► books after the fact I mean because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► people aren't born with any particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/571">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► preference or grammar rules a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► them are kind of arbitrary anyway but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/574">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► what we're all trying to do is how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► you pronounce it let me ask this John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► how do you pronounce it so if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► that they're there this iPad belongs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► John math uses this is John math uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► rather let me correct myself this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► John math uses iPad would you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► yeah it's JC to cut the problem is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► main jobs is easier for me this is jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► as iPad yeah it's a little off my tongue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/600">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► that's a little better but the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► is none of these are elegant solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► the best way to say it is this iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/605">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► belongs to ya such a perso so no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► what what you did you're between a rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► and a hard place you're forced into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► corner and there's no good way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► I would actually suggest that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► should have a name that ends with an S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/619">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► that's not I think it's preposterous I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► agree with that we should implement it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► right away yeah this is we should all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► use a ski let's get on the problem isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► whether there's to be an S after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► apostrophe the problem is why our people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► haven't asked Stan of their name at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/635">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► in the English language so for for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► types of issues like I have I have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► preference is mostly based on kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► like the same reason that the Gruber who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► we'll get to in a little bit likes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► put the sentence ending punctuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/652">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► outside yeah have we ever talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► that did we talk about that here no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► you know that's I mean that's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► clear-cut case where there is a British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/659">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► standard and an American standard I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► think most people agree on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► British one is the sentence ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► but the reason Gruber likes it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► outside it's the same reason that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► apostrophe s and that it's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► a programmer mindset where you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/674">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► well the thing I'm quoting doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► necessarily have the period in it so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/678">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► should the the sentence ending or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► like the comma or whatever go inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► quote if it's not part of the quote you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► know what I mean like say you're quoting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► something you want to be exclamation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► the quote is an exclamation you quoting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/689">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► it as an explanation that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/690">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► desquamation to go outside it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/691">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► it's like if you're making a string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► literal in a programming language it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► clear that things inside the delimiters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► are part of the literal oil and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/699">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► outside aren't like the statement ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► semicolon and c or c++ doesn't go inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/702">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► the quotes unless that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/705">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► string literal that's a very good very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► good argument in favor of doing it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► way right and I think that's why he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► me and he makes its own style guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► right so this is how I'm going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► daring fireball has a style guide this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► is what it is I get to pick it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► and the apostrophe s just seems uniform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► to me because like when I see s ' I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► like is there more than one of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► you're saying so all of them is esta the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► plural possessive but you know you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► have like your own individual style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/728">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► sweet publication has their own style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► but there are some well-known style can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/731">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► you name some style guides you named one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► a red Chicago man your style is the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► one that I I will file and there's was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► it straight get Strunk and white but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► oh of course it Chicago Manual of style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► is the one that I followed back when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► eons ago in our technical writing group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/748">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► our school as a team for the old school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► that's what we followed my mother is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/755">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► English professor at college and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► been for most of them if not all of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/760">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and that's what she follows so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► you just you get a constant to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and you stick with it the whole the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/767">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► punctuation inside that's one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► things that I love the idea of putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► the punctuation outside of the quote but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► it feels so wrong to me it's it just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► like it better but it just feels totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► like I'm like I know I'm breaking my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► mom's hard if I do that so I don't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/793">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► I strongly prefer having it outside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► have made myself not do it that way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► the point now where it looks just weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► to me for it to be outside yeah I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► it like I want it there I want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► I know that you know yeah it's a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► thing and it just looks weird like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► I'm so used to it the other way from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► reading it so much the other way I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► something bugs man I know you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► a point let me just throw this into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► mix okay I'm just gonna throw this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/820">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► there cuz I won't get your take on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/821">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► I know you're working towards something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► I don't want to interact it makes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► very sad ah what do you think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► American versus British pluralization of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► things like companies like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► in the u.s. we would say Apple has just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► released a brand new iPad in the UK at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► least written at least written they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► would they would write may they say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► - I don't know Apple have just released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/848">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► a brand new iPad yes I'm very aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► this distinction having written about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► companies a lot in my writing career I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/855">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► would I would like to hear your comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► on that the thing about it that is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/860">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► certain phrasings it's natural you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/863">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► phrasings that sounds awkward to us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/870">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► the one you just gave - sounds crazy - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► Americans like Apple have like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► like that's wrong right but if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► you've ever like edited anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► talking about Apple right you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/879">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► constantly refer to Apple as plural in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/884">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► certain constructs and not even realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/888">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► they're doing it so I try very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► always catch myself when I do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► make sure that I'm really talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► Apple and singular and if it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/895">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► awkward you just you know you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/896">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► rephrase that's like you said with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► possessive don't kill yourself like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► it's not working here it seems awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/901">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► to you just just rearrange it phrase it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► differently do these two sentences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/904">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► whatever so I I do like the singular I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► recognize that British use the plural it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► really it's kind of arbitrary and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► just go with what it that's another case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► where I think it's pretty clear-cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► where every American publication and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► style guide says this is the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► Way and the British it's like color and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► color with the O you and not the O you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► is there's some clear divisions between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► British and American so what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► possibly s thing is one people are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► they're just crazy about a huge amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/931">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► and it kind of amazes me that people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► are so sure of themselves like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/938">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► don't feel I need to support it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► it's just they don't say it's because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/941">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► publication X and publication X uses the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/948">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► style guide but like it's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► like a universal blanket statement I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/951">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► think a lot of people get into that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► don't know I don't want to speculate why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► they get into that but I imagine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► because they're taught a certain thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► by teacher who is very enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► about being a certain way and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► respect that teacher and learn a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► from them and they become sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► disciple of whatever that teacher said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► and then like the support for doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/970">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► make that much of a difference and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► getting back to that you know stakes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► so low thing the people would just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/976">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► worked up about the stuff because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► you know it's a trivial issue and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► know I obviously from the show called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► hypercritical I'm on board with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► because I do that about lots of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► so style guys Chicago Manual Strunk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► white in England apparently this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► called Fowler's modern English used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► did some googling for style guides does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► the AP style manual then is like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► esoteric ones like the American Medical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/997">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► Association has a style guide for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► papers and you know getting getting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► down to individual companies can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► so I did a little survey of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► general purpose style guides and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► Chicago Manual style Strunk and whites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► elements of style and Fowler's modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► English usage all say add apostrophe s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► to the end of jobs yeah and the AP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► Manual style says no apostrophe s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► there was a big Wikipedia thread but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► technically I should be adding it if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► if I'm Welles I'm a fan of shrunken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► one-star uh not sprung well Strunk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► white has always been like that Chicago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► Manual flip-flopped on it recently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► like in the most recent edition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► Chicago Manual I think they used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► you could do it both ways or used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► you should just put the apostrophe where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► they change their mind so maybe when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► learned it it was actually the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► with the Chicago Manual but now they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► apostrophe s uh and the AP manual like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► saw this in the Wikipedia thread they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► discussing what should be the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► style guide or is it even possible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► have a Wikipedia style guide because so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► many people contribute and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► this is big debate and people citing two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► different style guides is saying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► these people say this and these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► say that so on and so forth and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► speculated that I don't know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► speculation but I can't I couldn't cite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► it you know KP style guide always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► prefers the shorter version because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► a really old style guide back from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► communication other things that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► charge by the letter or whatever and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► a lot of The Associated Press thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► you know you had column space and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► didn't want to have long lines and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► wanted to fit your content in so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► there was ever a choice between one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► style that use fewer characters than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► other of course pick the shorter one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► which is kind of a different motivation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► but the same thing as you were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► where it's like a a minimalism type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► thing omit needless words don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► make things big widen flowery and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► there's a shorter way to do it use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► shorter way but my personal I feel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► preference that the Chicago Manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► Strunk and white and even the British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► Valerie's modern English usage shawl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► which are like the some of the top like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► general-purpose style guides all agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► that you should add apostrophe s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► some of them have exceptions for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► Jesus and Moses which was the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► brought up before and sure yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► after I'm after switch and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► there's a compelling argument the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► but first time it really is an arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► though like it's you all you need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► is to decide what style guide you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► writing to and stick to it and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► to make up your own style god it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► blend of these just you know document in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► its the consistency is more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► than the individual thing but I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► to all the people who are just so sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► absolutely right both the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► agreed with me and who didn't agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► me that anytime you're doing that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► even with things do you think are open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► and shut grammar cases be you know look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► it up see why why is this why do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► this is it just because what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► taught what how long ago is I taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► that where was my teacher getting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► information you know what I mean uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► you're saying you're saying you're okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► however people want to do it as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► they understand that they have made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► decision and it is not a issue of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► correct or incorrect that is simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► preference and style preference for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► but see I hate the word style Dobies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► when I think of style I think of it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► like not using passive voice or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► passive voice is grammatically correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► but it's a style issue if you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► to use it like I don't want to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► that way because it's it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► doesn't change the content but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► changes like the feeling of it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► I mean sure versus stuff like where does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► which I guess I mean that all falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► under a style guy but when I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► style I think more of like the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► two equally valid things which one reads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► better versus like a style God's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► to say punctuation goes inside and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► don't you don't get to pick that based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► on what like how you want them to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► this and what kind of message you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► to send it's just like this is the rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► right but they're all they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► encompassing a star guide so it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► overloaded word with style but I very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► strongly prefer the the apostrophe s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► I don't like it when people use toggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► don't do it for example Ars Technica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► takes a lot of stuff from the AP style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► guide much of which i despise and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► time it comes up like i can argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► them for they say look this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► the our style guide so i don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► you write it or what you do it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► to conform to the our style guide this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► is more important for all the stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► ours to be uniform than it is for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► to but I will still argue with them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► yeah well that bit that decision you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► made and choosing the our style guide is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► dumb and it should be the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► because I have very strong preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► on this issue but I totally recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► that even the style guides can't agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► on it and the end of hours the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► majority rules like most of the style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► guides I found on you you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► keep stacking up style guides on either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► side until you feel satisfied that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► party is won or not you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► could also come back and say hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► know why why is the style guide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► came out last year better than the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► that came out this year and ya know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► yeah what you know do you use the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► up they will never uh maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► reason not to I guarantee you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► people like an older style for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► reason well I well we what we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► talking about this the one of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► fans Scott Williams uh who's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► got the asset and he said he prefers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► apostrophe s you know I'm gonna go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► on a limb and say I bet most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► unfortunate enough to have a name that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► ends with an S and have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► this problem there I bet you all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► add the apostrophe s we don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► hear about it I'm but I'm sure I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► speaking for them I don't know I bet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► you you should what you should take from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► this is a you know I know I'm an English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► major eh that's appeal to authority and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► doesn't add anything to your argument B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► see how polite I am NOT the correct him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► on the show correctly that's the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► yeah I'd like that you know your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► show tersh I know but you're you're part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► of it too you should participate as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► I participate I'd like to you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► don't your it's all about your theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► I'm not gonna stomp on your alright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► and part see uh don't be so sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► you know you have a sod correction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► make because in this case as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► you know you thought it should always be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► as a pot cores now now I've shaken I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► shaken your faith in the S ' I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► said I might consider switching but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► still believe that the D the correct way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► to do it would be the the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► involves the least typing huh why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► add characters if you can convey the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► same meaning with fewer characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► alright so getting get to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► trivial thing I had this in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► the great 5x5 Illustrated site yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► there was an illustration for episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► number 45 what was the name of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► episode it was Star Wars is not a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► post yes and the illustration for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► shows a hand-drawn picture of a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► browser looks like Safari and it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► web browser is my tumblr brah blog which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► I very rarely uh played oh I do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► post that I want to put up there at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► point it's like my personal non-apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► related blog thing right it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► hyper critical that blog actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► existed before the show and it's on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► of the other incarnations of this name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► and the the the URL is Syracuse a tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► calm slash search slash Star Plus Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► plus for the space and the thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► text on the page says terribly sorry a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► total of zero results for Star Wars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► results is written result and then the s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► and apostrophe in that posture abs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► parentheses so it's re su LT open parens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► s closed parens right and I looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► that and I said oh you know I hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► when when things do that I bet that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► not how the real site looks I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► tumblr and did a search for Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► and sure enough like that's brick you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► know when you do a search for Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► that is the actual URL slash search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► slash you know Star Plus Wars and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► text on the page says exactly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► terribly sorry a total of zero results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► in parentheses right for Star Wars this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► drives me nuts as a programmer because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► as anyone has ever done any web program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► you come across this exact situation all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► going to be so a number of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► you're going to stick the number in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► sentence that in English you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► figure out whether that's number number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► is plural or not and the super lazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► programmer way is like well I just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► to have one word so I'm going to result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► then I'll put the s in parenthesis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► it shows that it's kind of optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► because it's my pseudo programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► application of you know it takes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► you know the Turner operator is not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► not going to take all day to just do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► little thing in there and say if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► otherwise put the s right and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► localization makes this harder but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► can have to deal with much harder issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► in localization you know anyway tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► luck but especially if it's like English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► only you know don't do that programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► out there take the three seconds to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► a little conditional in there to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► the correct word it's just that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► like I don't always like that pick on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► things that show a lack of attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► detail the person who program this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► didn't care about you know because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► not rocket science it's not like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► saying I wish I knew how to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► whether this was plural or not people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► know how to do it right they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► want to it's just easier for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► just put the string with the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► right in it so I would like to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► publicly shame all programmers who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► this and if you find yourself in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► situation think of my voice in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► saying take the two seconds make a macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► throw that Turner upper in there or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► know if you're using localization it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► should really handle this for you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► should be able to put a number and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► the the thing and have it have you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► your localization system whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► may be figure out the correct way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► phrase all right so moving on to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► next topic which is the thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► vicious and bitter a feedback with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► low stakes let's let's do our first spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► there that's a good idea we get it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► need to take a break to you know rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► anyway we'll do the fun one first not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► that the second sponsor isn't fun also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► but it's uncle slam from hand labra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► so these guys they've sponsored before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► they have this reminder game minder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► thing that the Jon Circus is such a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► oven this time they said listen Dan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► you know it's a holiday season we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► a lot of the shows that you do aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► necessarily gaming oriented you do talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► about gaming on the show with with John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► siracusa so for sure mention it on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► one it's alright what is this you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► talking about this is listen this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► uncle slam this is a new boxing game it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► just launched you basically you play as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► the presidents of the United States not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► basically it's a boxing game and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► punch presidents now the single local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► multiplayer mode so you can play on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► own you play with a friend and it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► physics-based punching and real touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► based jet real controls it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► little virtual controller on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► kind of thing and they believe very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► strongly that you should meld usefulness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and fun so that all the locations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► game they're based on real places in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► America so you can actually learn about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► presidential history in the Hall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Presidents so the game launched about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► week ago it has nine playable presidents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► for iPad in the coming months they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► going to be adding more presidents you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► can buy them with in-app purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► they're going to have a universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► version will play everywhere else so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► even even John circus will be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► play it on his iPod touch so how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► find out about this you go follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► link that's in the show notes or you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► to iTunes and do a search for uncle slam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► and you will find it so thanks very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► to handle Habra but lucky they don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► caught up in that no political the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► application policy thing I guess since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► this is a game it is it is a game that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► true it is a game so this doesn't defame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► the presidents I don't yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► punching a president defaming them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Apple is a capricious beast mm-hmm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► yeah different really I just got that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► I'm aim did you get that oh no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► great though how do you get the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► for it I haven't gotten that far yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► like someone posted up I'm aim is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► grab all you can on looking at okay I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► put this I'll put this initial I this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► the one by Jim Van Deventer I assume so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► how many other apps could there be cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► I mean does it have a big red joystick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► I will put this in the show notes by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► way our show notes are brought to you by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► the amazing people over it help help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► spot.com best help this self wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► yeah so I haven't got to the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► I start adding roms and stuff but how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► you add proms I'm sure there's some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► to like it maybe add just like you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► like a PDF to you know a 3/3 PDF yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► it's free I'm sure it will be yanked by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► Apple soon so grab all you can I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► NES emulator back when that was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► athleanx this has been up for days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► though so maybe they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► yank it it doesn't come with any ROM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► side we see so I don't maybe maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► a case where they're they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► something that's an emulator anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► grabbed by MAME if you can so the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► topic that had low stakes but lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► feedback was talking about john Gruber's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► appearance on the verge and talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► about bias in tech journalism and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► partisanship and all that business which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► was the kind of the bulk of the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► show a lot of feedback on that some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► people had an axe to grind but most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► the feedback was really good where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► was like people people they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► discussed in the show and not going off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► on their own independent rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► tangentially related to the topic right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► so here are a few examples a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► people brought up good points that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► wish I had addressed on on last show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► I will try to address in that Steve Barr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► writes I'm just reading like snippets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► these people's things so they wrote lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► of stuff I'm trying to get to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► one point that I think is most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► so Steve Barr says one can't read airing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► fireball alone to get an accurate view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► accurate view of the consumer smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► slash desktop market and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► true that's something I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► talked about in my show when people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► people want to read something and feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► like they're getting just like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► getting all sides of the issue reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► blog written by a single person with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► single voice is not going to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► that because it you know at its best I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► think this was in from Gruber and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► Merlin's talk at South by Southwest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► years ago or I don't even know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► originated but a blogging is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► passion plus voice and so Derek fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► has a person quest passion he speaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► with one voice if he tried to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► all sides of the issue it would it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► not be the same experience not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► would be worse or better or anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► it would not be the same and that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► to the j-word we're gonna like all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► are you a journalist here you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► being a journalist or journalists need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► to be objective and journalist should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► I've always been repelled by the j-word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► I didn't go to journalism school I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► journalist because when I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► journalists I think of someone who maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► this is another reason I don't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► word is maybe my definition is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► wrong but when I think of it I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► somebody who is trying to give all sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► of the story and find find out as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► as possible about something and yes do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► all the fact-checking and stuff you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► to do but they're they're not inserting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► their own voice their voice is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► primary thing they're they're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► is it different being an opinion column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► in the news page and that's when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► of journalism that's what I think of now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► you can have an example like a big site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► like The Verge or I don't even ours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► tactic or anything like that where in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► aggregate the site together tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► give a big view of the world like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► example our stock maker has people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► writing about this exclusively writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► about windows and writing about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► Android and writing about open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► and Apple you know so an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► person writing for the Apple section can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► be focusing on Apple and not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► about other things but the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► person writing for the Microsoft section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► is focusing on Microsoft and so as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► whole the publication is you know is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► as a journalistic endeavor right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► they try to distinctions between simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► straight news reporting and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► and there's always a problem of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► well where do you draw that line and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► do you how do you make it clear to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► reader is this an editorial or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► people get confused they get angry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► it but that's that's different than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► blog with even if maybe two people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► something with just one person with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► voice that's you know the blogging that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► the daring fireball wants to be and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► a lot of people do is it's one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► speaking with a singular voice and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► necessarily will not give you that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► know all sides of an issue right even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► even if he tries to do all the research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and present all the information he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► going to have one view and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► would make the site less interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► certainly less entertaining were key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► edit himself to try to say even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► strongly feel this way about this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► I don't want to you know I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► put too much in my opinion that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► what it's about it's entirely about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► opinion this is you know this is daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► fireball this is John Gruber this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► a paper and I don't know if he considers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► himself a journalist but all and all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► writing even though I write these big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► reviews Mac os10 and stuff I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► consider that a journalistic endeavor I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► consider everything I write to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► an editorial or an opinion column a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► supported opinion and maybe an informed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► formed opinion I will defend my opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► with facts but it's nevertheless it's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► I haven't I'm not ever writing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► to say this is what Ars Technica thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► of Mac os10 no it's this is what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► of that ghost and if someone else who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► writes for our stock now wants to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► something else about Mac OS then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► can feel free you know what I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► that was a Steve Barr David Cheney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► longtime listener and contributor was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► fretting over partisanship and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► issues we talked a little bit about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► Senate in the chat room then he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► some emails one of the things he brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► up was when Apple is an underdog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► mainstream opinion of the company was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► low I think was appropriate for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► meaning John Gruber to skewer trollish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► pieces of the kind that John C Dvorak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► peddled less those opinions become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► accepted wisdom now that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► become so big such articles are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► like little gnats buzzing around trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► to get attention there's enough general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► awareness of Apple's good qualities they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► really don't deserve the time of day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► they aren't going to have any effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► environment in which daring firewall was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► born versus the environment now when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► Apple is the underdog people seem more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► accepting of vociferous defense of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► little guy but now that they are so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► bigger and so much more successful who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► wouldn't say well it's not you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► same thing you did back then doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► seem appropriate now you know why chase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► down those people who are saying silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► bogus things about Apple why not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► ignore them because you know get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► know you know I mean and I feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► some play sometimes to like the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► elope and John Gruber both enjoy finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► Appl that are just clearly at odds with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► with reality or with the opinion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► people writing and they just love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► skewering them and and showing how wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► they are and this is a really popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► thing to do back when the Mac was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► on the ropes you know late 90s Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► on the ropes people were not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► maxford constantly making fun of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► and so those of us who were still fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► of the computer just felt the need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► just SWAT down all these attacks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► that habit can be hard to get out of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► it ended still is entertaining to a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► of people including probably the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► doing it I mean you know the Mac elope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► is a fairly recent creation of the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► a couple years old or whatever oh who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► that say you right between that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► knows with Mac well bit except for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► bit except for the people who know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► have no comment under the Mac Lopez so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► you know I have no comment until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► mangu of this but you do know if I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► we'll talk out of that off there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► people obviously like that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► but it does seem like less sporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► people who are willing to entertain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► type of stuff it becomes distasteful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► them when the situation has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► Bobby Seale is still big audience for uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► and and there is there is still there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► still work to be done there visit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► example despite Apple's great success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► you still constantly see the prediction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► that Android will be the windows 2 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► iOS right just as Windows was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► creditor product but was you know spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► out farther and had bigger market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and Android will have bigger market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► share and even though iOS is technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► better uh it will still get pushed down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► to some little niche by Android and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► see that sentiment like as if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► foregone conclusion everywhere so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► though Apple is still you know much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► bigger than it used to be and much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► successful I think it's fair I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► attack the people making that prediction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► with the facts and say look it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► situation is different this time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► myself over in an arc like this and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► not it's not the same I know we all want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► to think that the history tell history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► tells us exactly how you know the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► is going to go but the situations are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► different in some important ways and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► if people you know people write those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► articles about Android inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► winning because of X Y & Z you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► think the other side of that issue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► also worth airing and obviously Grouper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► has one opinion on this and he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► to write about he's not going to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► about something that he doesn't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► in he's going to write what he believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► and supported with his many faxes again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► this is from frank chai cheery he gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► me a pronunciation he said chai like tea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and then the word cheery love it good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► job Frank and he was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► partisanship and some of his experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► of this and he says that Charlie Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► is the legendary editor of Washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► Monthly used to tell his writers play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Notre Dame in their articles what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► meant was that you should always take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► your opponent's best arguments don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► play a half-baked Tech College play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Notre Dame take on the big boys he'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► a stronger writer writer for it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► this is great advice to anybody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► money's basically saying is if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► going to be if you're going to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► your position to have it to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► convincing with your with your position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► obviously they don't do straw man which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► is vision that nobody is taking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► knock them down but also like find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► the strongest arguments from the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► side and take those on to show that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► are acknowledging and have an answer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the very strongest arguments of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► opposition this goes back to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► what I'm saying about the advantages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► listening to partisans right who-who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► starting from particular premise and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► can never be shaken from it but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► and I don't think that's a great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► to be but they will seek out the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► arguments for their position and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► those are the ones that you should take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► on because presumably they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► spending all their time trying to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► that anything and everything they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► the strongest possible arguments for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► their position from which they're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► going to waver and so the the played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► Notre Dame thing is good a good thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► keep in mind and also a lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► have different definitions of partisan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► do I tried to preface the the plas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► section about partisans by read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► dictionary definitions none of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► it's just getting into semantics like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► all as long as we can all agree on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► we're talking about I was saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► the person who will who no fact will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► change their opinion they have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► premise and they are never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► reevaluate that premise based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► changing facts no matter how they change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► they'll until the day they die they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► always be a supporter of X and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► the type of partisan I said I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► like that that's that's my idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► partisan is just what I was saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► having passion horse now from the Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► Merlin Mann thing that I don't consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► parson shit but that's just semantics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► it's just you know what word do we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► to label the bad thing and the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► thing so I don't think there's any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► barrier to us to people discussing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► issue as long as we all know what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► talking about when we say a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► word so maybe an individual word is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► I don't like the fanboy label I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► partisan but obviously partisan people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► have different definitions they use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► that do so if you're arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► somebody about this material agreeing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► your definitions otherwise you'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► go in circles and it will not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► anywhere and I bring that up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► partisan and you know a dishonest one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► one extra point in here is like the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► that you are seeking out the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► arguments against and taking them on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► got to be careful with that because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► you're if you're not careful you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► start to that concept starts to include [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► the premise that you have a side right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► so I want it I want to find the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► arguments against and if you just if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► you're constantly concentrating on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► you're never thinking about whether the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► thing you're trying to defend is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► the case you know what I mean like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► you have to reevaluate if you get too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► caught up and now I got to play Notre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► Dame I got then then you give you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► becoming that bad kind of partisan who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► spending all their time trying to shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► up their position without ever reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► their position to say look is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► this really still correct regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► how well I think I can defend it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► really still correct and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► the end of the Gruber section it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► of weird that I end up having two shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► before he gets to have a single show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► don't know if I'll even talk about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► topics but uh it you know since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► schedule flips around he's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► recording after this yeah this usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► have recorded on the Wednesday yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► no not not this week because he's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► wherever he is on you know great some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► random vacation Vegas again Vegas tuna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► tell from the typos would he put it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► wrote Marcos and he wrote ma RC capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► I apostrophe s o but he did add the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► apostrophe yes well it doesn't end in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► nest but things like you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► about Merlin but how you can tell when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► Gruber in the Vegas it's yeah because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► the via the typos and what was the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► there are usually typos most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► sites if there's a mobile version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► site it will he will link to the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► version of the site instead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► regular because he's doing everything on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► his iPhone has he done that recently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► haven't seen that it's been less ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► since I called him out on it and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► coincidentally that was around the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► that he stopped doing it in such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► obvious way alright so moving on to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► other follow-up Jim mirtha writes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► about our discussion of Twitter if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► unified timeline notice yeah I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► because I want to see my replies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► chronological order with the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► things and I thought that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► something that more people would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► because I thought the only people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► would like reply separate would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► people have so many replies because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► have so many followers that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► just drown out their timeline and they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► spend all the time scrolling past a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► million people replying to them and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► you know I said well they have to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► minority right well so Jim has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► theory on why people might still want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► the reply as separate uh and it's back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► to like we don't really know we know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► we use Twitter but I think uh in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► of like how many people you follow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► we followers you have we are outliers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► followers relative to other people sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and I think probably we follow fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► people because we both do use it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► know like how many people do you follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► it's not thousands all right no um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► what's the easiest way for me to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► you that I'm following I am following a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► whopping 190 people which I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► believe I'm following that many but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► think that most of those people tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► once a month you know yeah I've tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► keep it under triple digits for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► time but I finally broke and the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► accounts I follow have like one tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► every three months right so Joe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► okay when that happened so I follow 132 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and I can read them I think so but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► he says I follow many people on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► only a few of whom I know personally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► since I'm not a celebrity Internet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► otherwise my followers consist almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► exclusively of the very small number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► users who I know personally I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► is probably typical of many Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► users fewer followers generally means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► fewer mentions and replies the unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► timeline map useful people like me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► if you aren't getting replies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► mentions fairly regularly it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► not a feature to weigh heavily in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► decision of which client to use so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► basically saying most people don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► lot at replies because they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► consuming I like following celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2698">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and like one or two people who also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► don't use a Twitter heavily and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► imagine that might be a big chunk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► Twitter users who you know I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► some statistics of I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► people are just guessing over there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► like of all the people who are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► Twitter how many people actually post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► something like once a day or once a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► over Terence it's just a huge number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► people who are following an astronaut or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► whatever and they're not saying anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► and so they're not going to get any app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► mentions because they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► like purchased they're consuming rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► than then producing content right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► for those people whether or not it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► unified timeline it's not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► factor in their decision they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► to pick a Twitter client based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► something else so that would also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► explain why there's not this big outcry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► for unified timeline because as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► if you never get at replies unified 9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► unifies all the same to them right down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► Apple TV talked a little bit about guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► English's interesting taken what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► thinks Apple TV might look like am on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► Kadeem rights in and a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► wrote in with this theory wouldn't it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► much simpler would it be more simple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► integrate the computer / box into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► removable for optional yearly hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► upgrades this is a lot of people a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► of people have this theory a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► people cited the duo doc you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► that yes the duo doc was something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► you would uh you would take your I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► power book duo and you would connect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► to a little doc and there was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► thing that it would latch on to so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► you could have all of this is back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► the days way before bluetooth and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► most wireless mice and keyboards and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► would connect all your peripherals to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► so it was simply just you drop the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► in the docket click the thing boom I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► never had one of these so I needed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► didn't know people that did have them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► thought it was quite quite handy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► enveloped the computer was actually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► would slide it in like that like a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► of bread going into a slot toaster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► because the thing that you slid it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► was like this big hunk and Connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► proprietary connector that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► you know put all your ports out it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► great because the do the PowerBook do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► was really skinny it was there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► let the MacBook Air of its de recipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► power power book 100 was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► MacBook Air of its day but the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2818">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► MacBook Air of Apple's kept top era was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► the power book door really small really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► thin and it could be really thin because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► it didn't have to have any of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► that was on the docks of a floppy drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► and all that other stuff and then so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► get this really nice portable computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► that you could use but when you got back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► to your desk you could slide that sucker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► in there and have your full-fledged Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► academia a lot of a lot of people when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► went to college a lot of the professor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► had that because they loved that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► ability to walk around with that laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and then have the big setup when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► went back and what I replied to a few of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► these people who I replied to and before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► I gave up replying to all the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► suggested this was that I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► think that Apple is going to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► anything like the duo doc in the near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► future and there's a couple of reasons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► think that one the the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► haven't done anything like that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► long time the closest thing I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► of that has all the disadvantages of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► duo docker is like the iPod connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► the dock connector and I've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► complained about that but the main thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► something like that with their modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► products which is basically the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► Air they rather than doing a dock they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► they put it all over thunderbolt and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► little power connector so they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► little y-you know the split cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► comes out of the back of a thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► display right it has the power for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► laptop and also a thunderbolt then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► proxies all the firewire and Ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► and all but other stuff they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► just as easily made a doc to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► stuff but I it just seems like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► those dock connectors are just big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► ugly and proprietary and yes Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► connectors in the past but it trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► seems to be away from that they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► everything or if not proprietary then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► least obscure but like the new bus slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► which it wasn't proprietary think Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► use new bus to but it might as well been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► provider because nobody else was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► everyone else using yeah ISA and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► was the IBM thing micro channel or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► whatever and you had a DB for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► connector was custom out of the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► printer ports even lots of things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► electrically compatible but the trend or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► with Apple has been to go away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► those and go toward standard even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► in you know the the jobs to error when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► they did the ADB port which carried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► display power for your display and USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and was firing on there too and remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► that was what over one connector they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► moved away from that they went to DVI a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► lot of people were annoyed this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► likely how they love the elegance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► this this Apple display thing but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► said no you know I know it's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► elegant they have DVI and we have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► this double data rate DVI and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► stuff but we don't want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► brighter connection anymore they went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► USB instead of all their old stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► Thunderbolt is even though Apple seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► to be ahead on it it's not apples Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► didn't make it up it's an Intel standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► anybody can use it it's you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► proprietary connector I've complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► about the iPod document connector many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► times because its proprietary it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► fragile it's got lots of pins I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► not want something here I'm saying was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► separate things Apple desktop bus an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► Apple display connector anyway the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► dock connector on the iPod has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► really important property of lock in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► iPod peripherals and everything but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► still think was a bad idea because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► don't I think cereal is more the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► go I think if Apple if Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Apple would have use Thunderbolt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► very least use Thunderbolt as its bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► connectors could be shrunk down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► point where they're where they could fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► everything in and not have any heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► issues or whatever I don't like big wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► connectors lots of pins and a dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► connector that carries lots of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► over it especially if it's a private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► area ends up being as big wide parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► connected with lots of pins on it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► think it Apple does not would not make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► something that like you slid an Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► box into and behind it was this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► honking pin now maybe they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► something where you slide the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► in and behind it is just a thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► connector and power or like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► plugs into a bunch of standard ports but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► I don't I don't see Apple doing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► think they like they're like no wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► best of all one skinny little wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► second best and big honkin proprietary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► connectors not at all for their desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► and laptops that's that's my prediction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► assuming they do anything like this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► all I mean they they have an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► television set and need to connect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► so Gabriel Moreno writes in to say have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► you considered a we like pointer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► interact with TV in a way similar to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► touchscreen something that I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► seen many he will bring it up but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► someone who uses a Wii I have thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► about it the Wii is interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► they went through a couple of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► phases in terms of how the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► works so the hardware when they we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► originally launched was this thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► accelerometers in it so we could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► like which the way was tilting tilting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► until the accelerometers maxed out next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► out and then it had an IR emitter on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► of your TV and there was an IR receiver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► in the Wiimote and so by pointing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► receiver at the emitters it could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► kind of where you were pointing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► screen assuming many other factors when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► an IR is not the best thing in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► because like say you had really bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► directly at the IR receiver on your Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► mote it could get confused it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► confuse by certain kinds of bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► lights and so a little bit later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► development of the Wii they added the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► which was this gyroscope it could it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► not unlike an accelerometer was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► like tilts to a certain point and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► it's maxed out a gyroscope is supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► to be able to help what the orientation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► is at 3:00 in 3d space so you could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► it any angle you wanted in theory the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► gyroscope knew which direction was level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► and it would say you are this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► degrees off this axis and this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► degrees off this axis and they they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► get confused if you shake the thing real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► hard and you have to reset them a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► stuff but they added and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► into the Wii mote so now you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► accelerometers and gyroscopes and the IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► thing now a lot of games that require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► you to point at the screen and shoot at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► something early on they use the IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► emitter so look at the early Metroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► Metroid Metroid Prime 3 you would point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► at the screen and it would tell where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► you're pointing based on the the 2 IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► emitters and the receiver and figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► where you're pointing on the screen uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and they had to use do lots of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► smoothing because if you just literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► showed the actual values of whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► Wiimote thought you know where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► system thought that we went was pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► at any instant in time you could see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► big jumps and stutters and everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► they would smooth it out with software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► to try to make it a smooth experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► later and a lot of games did similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► they're first-person shooters and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► like that later games seem to be moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► more towards using the gyroscopes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► figure out where you're pointing so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► actually doesn't even matter if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► pointing at the screen well I guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► kind of does because the gyroscope is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► aligned of sort of way but it's telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► it's basically looking at how how far is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► your Wiimote tilted so if you want to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► you want to move your your cursor up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► the screen you tilt the Wii mode up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► the system is not figuring out where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► Wii mote is pointing like literally if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► you shot a laser out of the Wii mode do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► it hit that part of your screen maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► wouldn't maybe would actually go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► your TV screen but it's clear when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► you're holding it go up go down the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► go right and that's really what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► just want they just want a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► oh I'm pointing exactly at the corner of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► the screen and if I had a laser pointer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► taped to my wii that's exactly where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► cursor should be and the gyroscope tends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► to be less jittery and less subject to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► environmental factors then the IR thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► is maybe these a combination I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► quite sure they just like for a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► game like Skyward Sword for example so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► when I think of a remote that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► like a Wii I think of using the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► best practice which is go just go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► the gyroscope and I think does the Roku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► have that someone in the chat room I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► know I think there are TV attached boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► that already do this that they give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► a little remote thing to hold in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► accelerometers or something similar not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► an IR emitter to direct the cursor on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► the screen as an easier way of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► down down down right select up up select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► down you know all that business with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► your own it's a little bit easier if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► can just point and it works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► surprisingly well you can do lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► software trucks to make the cursor kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► of stick to something like and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► skywards in Zelda Skyward Sword when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► you're they put up a bunch of buttons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► the screen that you want to select you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► can just kind of flick the remote in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► direction of the button you want upper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► left lower right you know and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► will kind of stick to it instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► making you ain't exactly for the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► and be frustrated because you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► someone from saying that Roku is use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► d-pad and but they don't know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► fancy Angry Bird well I think I might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► one of the Roku's they use is ah anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► I'm sure Apple has the very least tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► that out because from what we all hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► about what goes on inside Apple they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► going to try a bunch of ideas they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► going to decide which one is best but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► and they may not ship it and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► may even try it develop it and patent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► but then never use it so I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► assume that they have seen the Wii and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Wii motes and things that Roku and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► for doing and have given that a try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► we'll see if they decide that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► passes muster for input method for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► Apple TV but it you don't hear a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► about it because most of people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► writing about Apple TV are thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► about touch or using something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► Trackpad do it you know how does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► remote app on on iOS control a control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► the stuff and we can use it you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► not so many people are just looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► the game world you know I also haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► heard people say they show you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► like Kinect or use your whole body to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► control it and you wave your hands back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and forth to change shows stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► that that's also possible I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► that you would even investigate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► expensive a solution and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► hasn't quite even mastered it yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► they're still just a revision one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► follow-up I have leave not that was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► follow Wow yeah and I do have the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► poor the poor lonely topic that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► pushed to shows now finally waiting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► be discussed and we could we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► that topic or we could talk about Lego [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► Star Wars I will leave it up to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► remind what the topic is I never told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► you but it's a it's an article that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► brought up on talk show a while back is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► why Harper why hypercard had to die do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► you remember talking about that I sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► so that's I wanted to say some stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► about that too and that's how long it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► been in my notes but or we can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► about Lego Star Wars Tim I will be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► has to be one or the other I can't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► could do both if you have time when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► started early today yeah alright so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► see we started early I think we do why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► not why not do both okay that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► feel I mean I don't a second sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► before we do sure I do then it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► a it's a quick and easy sponsor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► you'll like that it's tiny letter this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► is a simple newsletter app for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► with something to say there's no HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► templates there's no signup beg code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► there's no API each account includes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► just a single mailing list you write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► you send your newsletter that's it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► simple it's personal best of all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► absolutely totally free always will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► if is a tiny letter com sign up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► simple swill yems in the chatroom says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► the Roku excess has and he quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► enhanced remote with motion control for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► games hmm not sure if they use that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► the menus but it clearly it's in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► for stopping angry birds or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► exactly I have your Angry Birds I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► got this I name but I downloaded it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► the computer that's in front of me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► now with my regular iTunes account not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► the computer that I use to sync things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► up I do have that computer set to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► know automatically download thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► know new things when I get them but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► heard in the past that if you get an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► before it is pulled from the store for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► some reason that no matter what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► always download that app you will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► be able to get to that app do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► this is true can you corroborate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► I've heard that as well but I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► tested it yeah I was hoping it was true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► because I had the same situation I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► to I was actually holding my ipod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► when I found out about this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► couldn't actually download it on my ipod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► touch because it requires the iOS 4.3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and I can't even run that on my old iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► touch right so I quickly went over to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► Mac and just bought you know I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► to buy it that I didn't realize even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► free and just did it there of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► that's not the Mac that I use to sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► with the iPad so later like two days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► later first of all I figured I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► download on my Mac I've got the IPA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► sitting in some directory worst case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► could like manually you know drag it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► over and do stuff so when I pulled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► the iPad it you know the the new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► of iTunes is you go to it into iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► and it knows you already bought it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► it's you can go to the purchased apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► thing you don't have to go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► product page just go to you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► in the app store on iOS 5 go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► purchased button somewhere on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► and it will show stuff that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► purchased that you can't yet that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► haven't yet downloaded it don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► little cloud icon and I assume that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► will continue to show that little cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► definitely not true some apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► removed and you can't get them again so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► you know I've never tested it maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► people have run out of the problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► it since it's still in the store we I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► couldn't test it here so I hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► little cloud icon and downloaded onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► the iPad and scooter computer says he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► thinks it depends on why Apple pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► them this is the thing with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3599">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► them this is the thing with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► these thing even if you have done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► before even if you had this exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► situation and you said oh I bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► something and then it went away and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► couldn't download it on my iPad and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► know that really doesn't tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► whether in the future that will also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► true because Apple's policies change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► without notice arbitrarily at undefined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► developers or customers so you just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► just never know that's why everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► scrambles to get the stuff as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► they can you know get it I'll sink that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► why HyperCard had to die I'm also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► just want to talk about hypercard I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► read the article and it does have offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► theories on why harbor card went away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and stuff like that but I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► talked about a lot of that with a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► but it made me start thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► hyper card I guess I'll um oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► addressing a few of these points well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► here can you can you please explain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► people who maybe are not familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► hyper card very briefly what what is or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► was hypercard and why should anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► care about this thing yeah I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► in my notes here I have a little first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► section unlike describing one hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► creditors and I realized it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► not going to help people because I start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► by saying hyper card is a lot like small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► talk if you don't know what hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► is the odds of you knowing what small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► talk are is a slim but I'll give it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► try so hyper card was an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► that you ran on a Mac classic Mac OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► when you ran the application it sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► it entered this environment and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► metaphor was like you had stacks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► had cards in the in the stacks and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► was an environment where you can create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► application and the thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► created that stack you could save out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► a separate thing and that would run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► inside the hypercard environment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► what you were creating were basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► GUI applications you could drag out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► little buttons and text panes and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► little things where you click on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► you go to a different card to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► card metaphor it was kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► hyperlinks where you click here you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► to a different card that card I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► bunch of feels a bunch of buttons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► you would connect actions to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► buttons when you when you put a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► in you could connect a script to and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► wrote in this language called hyper talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► programming language not you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► didn't have to memory management or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► think that it was kind of more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► scripting but and so you would make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► they weren't standalone applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► like other Mac applications so it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► a first-class app but it was a hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► card stack and they could do fancy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► people use them you know would make apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► for accounting or database or whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► made a bunch hypercard stacks as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► doing all sorts of things it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► like since I didn't have a web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► the web didn't exist yet I would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► things that you would normally make as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► web pages like it an interlinked series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► of things I remember doing like trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► to do point-and-click adventures where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► draw a little picture with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► little things and if you clicked on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► you go to a different card or some a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► thing would appear on the screen right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► and later you know the game missed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► blockbuster game this was actually built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► on hyper card uh sorry completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► vindicating the concept of creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► point click adventure games on I per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► card like wow they actually use Hyper I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► was question was a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3778">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► than the hyper card games I have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► creating it like you know twelve years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► old or whatever but the great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► about the original version hypercar like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► it was literally a hyper card stack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► for anyone had used HyperCard knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► if you held down the command key you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► see dotted lines around the region's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► they were clickable cuz that would help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► you debug your hyper card stack to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► if you had set stuff off correctly so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► the early versions of HyperCard of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► Mac you would launch it if you got stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► you could hold on the command key near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► which a little dotted lines around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► things you could click which is a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► of cheating but sometimes kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► because just because you can click there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► doesn't mean any action would occur just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► meant that you know if you hadn't pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► something happens but anyway to fix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► in subsequent versions uh so I I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► was like small talk because small talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► was like the self-contained environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► I don't know the terminology for small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► talk so small talk fans will yell at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► as I describe this but in small talk the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► applications was the same environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► where they ran and it was like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► self hosting it was like one big image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► environment the OS the quote/unquote OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► the small talks virtual OS and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► programs you wrote and the ID they using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► to write them everything was all there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► there wasn't any distinction between I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► use this application to create an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► and then I run the app the place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► you created the application was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► place where it would run the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► were creating the application with was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► the scent you were just basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► modifying the existing environment by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► I'm going to augment the environment you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► know and you just add to it and add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► it so that was what hyper car was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► world where you made these hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► stacks and they didn't exist outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► the world of HyperCard now it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► really self hoping hosting like small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► talk was I don't even know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► right term self hosting it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► you couldn't modify hyper hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► environment itself by writing a hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► card stack you were clearly writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► stack that ran within the environment so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► there was that distinction but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► reminded a lot of people small talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► applications without memory management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► and all this other you know it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► harder to write it you know a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► toolbox application and see back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► those days in pascal or whatever then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► was to write a hyper card stack so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► reason i want to talk about this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► at the dawn of the PC era there was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► idea and you heard Steve Jobs and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► Wozniak expressed this idea as well back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► in the early days of Apple that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► backing before the early days of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► and they were just you know the homebrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► Computer Club the giving computers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► individuals instead of having them being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► kept by the men in lab coats and pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► protectors in the big place giving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► computer to an individual person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► exciting because we're like bit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► previously the Department of Defense or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► the big company could have one but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► an individual can have a computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► what do they think that meant what so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► once an individual computer has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► computer has that change things well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► individuals computers individuals would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► be excited to do with them the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► thing as people were doing with giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► computers the difference was that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► you had access so Steve Jobs and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► Wozniak loved to go and play with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► big computer on a terminal of to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► write little programs for it stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► that I figured well if everybody had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► computer ever you know you wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► to go to this building and beg somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► for time to use this computer you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► write programs on your own um and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► why so many early pcs like they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► with some sort of program like some what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► some of them even booted into it that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► remember in my first contact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► personal computers was that when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► turn one on you got a basic prompt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► was just that's like that's how a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3983">TS</a>]
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01:06:27 ◼ ► program at that prompt you could load a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► program from a tape or whatever I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► had it had it built it had built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/3991">TS</a>]
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01:06:47 ◼ ► right because whatever you had there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► whatever had shipped with the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► it might be basic instead of basic a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► advanced or whatever it was and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4013">TS</a>]
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01:07:01 ◼ ► that did when you turned it on it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► have some other programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4023">TS</a>]
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01:07:08 ◼ ► you know doesn't even come with one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4028">TS</a>]
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01:07:11 ◼ ► you didn't yeah that's right a program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► in it I got I got a alright fine I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► out and buy you know Microsoft basic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► stick on this thing or that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4036">TS</a>]
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01:07:21 ◼ ► computers came into the world and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► make sense them coming out of a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4042">TS</a>]
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01:07:30 ◼ ► really wanted to do with computers was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► something useful not so much right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► program so it was like all those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► who are excited about having their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► computers they wanted to write programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► but other people weren't excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► having their own computer didn't thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► it was kind of silly however there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► some quote I should have looked up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► the IBM person was a market for maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4066">TS</a>]
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01:07:49 ◼ ► thousand computers in the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4069">TS</a>]
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01:07:54 ◼ ► individual on a computer because and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► reason they thought this was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► what was done with computers was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► you wrote programs for them they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4079">TS</a>]
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01:08:02 ◼ ► us nerds we're gonna write programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► computer and if you don't want to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4083">TS</a>]
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01:08:06 ◼ ► you do with the computer you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► programs and so the reaction to seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► that you gave all these computers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► people and they didn't you know non nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► people eventually got computers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► wanted to run you know visicalc or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► something they want an application to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► help them run their business they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► want a program visit calculator we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► you to give them a computer finally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► can write programs they were never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► to write programs and so the reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► this from the computer industry was oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► see the problem all right so we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► these computers to everybody but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► one's writing programs this program is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► too darn hard the dissolution is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► to be let's make programming easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► because obviously like we're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► these people's computers NATO they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► even understand what they've got they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► software's like no you can right don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► you understand you've got a computer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► programs for it isn't that awesome we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► used to have to go to that built don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► you know they don't get it but I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► it's too hard what we've got to do US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► Peters we've got to make programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► easier uh and that's when you saw things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► like yeah logo for kids where you move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► the little turtle around the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► where it's like plain English type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► programming hyper card is an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► where it's really hard to write a GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► applications let's make an environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► where regular people can finally can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► finally get the benefit that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► thought they should have from computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► which is you can write your own programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► you can make you know it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► general-purpose computer don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► understand you can do anything and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► think that really did broaden the base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► of what people could do people people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► who are not programmers you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► Macintosh GUI application made hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► card stacks that you know they ran their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4173">TS</a>]
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01:09:38 ◼ ► out there will have some story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4178">TS</a>]
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01:09:41 ◼ ► they're listening to this still running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► an I Picard stack running on some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► Mac se or something I read stories about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4185">TS</a>]
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01:09:50 ◼ ► awesome hyper card stack and it exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4190">TS</a>]
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01:09:58 ◼ ► HyperCard didn't live on now let's think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► about today's application application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► making environments things that make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► programming easier that the trend today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► is to make the pieces do more so an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4213">TS</a>]
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01:10:25 ◼ ► things is actually fiendishly complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► from the perspective of like a basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4227">TS</a>]
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01:10:34 ◼ ► difficult so it's just an amazing feat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4234">TS</a>]
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01:10:47 ◼ ► drag into an automated workflow are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► complicated than the most complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► programs that existed in the dawn of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► PC era you know one little piece of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► automated workflow can do this amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► an image manipulation by just checking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► bunch of check boxes or think of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4257">TS</a>]
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01:11:00 ◼ ► do with no program whatsoever just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► connecting up lines and setting values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► it's unbelievably powerful pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4263">TS</a>]
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01:11:11 ◼ ► buttons and gooeys that can do amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► things and that you can build you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► build up a pretty complicated program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► with an automated workflow by connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► these incredibly powerful pieces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► you didn't have to write which is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► more powerful than just connecting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► bunch of buttons you didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► write you know what I mean uh so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► that seems to be the trend these days is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► configurable tool right where Automator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► Automator is not you know it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► programming language you'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4300">TS</a>]
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01:11:42 ◼ ► like a tool that you can use to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► other tools and it's very configurable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► as lots of check boxes and you control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► how the pieces you know connect together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► and what the inputs and outputs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► endeavor of making programming easier is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► that in all these cases Apple scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► HyperCard Automator the the harsh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4324">TS</a>]
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01:12:10 ◼ ► this benefit that you know that lowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► the bar for people to do powerful things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► they can figure themselves inevitably in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► I guess primary programming with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► capital P even an Automator workflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► alright once you once you get beyond the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► few set of things that you can do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4350">TS</a>]
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01:12:38 ◼ ► abstraction you know and that that leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► into the world of being a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► it's it's great that we've lowered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► bar and more people can get into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► world but the people who make that leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► they they are the programmers of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► world they are the people who think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► programmers who can do that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► thing and most of the world still and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► think always will not be that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► person uh no matter how easy you make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► and I don't think it even makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► difference how easy you make it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► matter how powerful the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► pieces are you will so quickly get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► a situation where to assemble those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► pieces you need to understand loops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► conditionals functions abstraction it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► you know it just it's inevitable there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► is no way you can make programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► easy enough that you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► understand those concepts and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► those concepts are not natural to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► people they're most natural to nerds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► going up the spectrum of like less being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► particular Astra buttes are nerd them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► that make us make this type of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► makes so much sense to us or make it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► enjoyable or you know tolerant yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► worst or you know scratches our itches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► or makes us that feel good actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► could do a whole show about what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► actually makes people good programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► and how it's usually not what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► people themselves think so I should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► that in the notes all right so while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► think it's great that these tools have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► been providing more powerful pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► I think the Utopia that people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► have envisioned before you know before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► the dawn of the PC eight or just as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► PC Age was dawning that she's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► once everybody has a computer everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► will be able to be a programmer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► will never happen unless be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► unless the entire world's wiped out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► the only people left are programmers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► know it simply will not happen doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► it doesn't mean that all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► aren't good it just means that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► not going to happen and they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► HyperCard is gone and if I we still had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► HyperCard everyone we would be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► awesome hypercar sex everyone would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► be like the nut percentage of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► can make awesome hypercard stacks is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► small I I think we definitely need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► continue to make development better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► better for programmers so programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► can be more productive but we are never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► going to be in a world where everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► programmers feel we can reap we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► making the world better for programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► and we programmers in turn will make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► world better for everybody I hope right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► but it's never going to be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► that everybody does it's kind of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► it's kind of weird to like to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► about that this is kind of like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► saying boy these amazing new modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► woodworking tools are going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► everybody build their own cabinets for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► the kitchen right the it's going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► woodworking much more awesome and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► broaden the base of people who can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► woodworking versus you know it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► more skill to use hand tools and chisels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► to make awesome fine furniture and than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► it does to use power tools but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► takes a lot of skill and it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► to suddenly make the entire human race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► Furniture themselves with power tools a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► they might not even want to and be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► widespread as people who are woodworkers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► might might think they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► and it's just kind of presumptuous of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► programmers to think the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► stopping the entire world from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► programmers reap is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► computers are that you know our big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► machines in a big room once we get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► everyone will together ok well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► they're all to the people but it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► hard will make it easier it's just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► going to happen so I I sympathize with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► people with the death of HyperCard and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► think we do need to make those tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► better and better but I do want to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► out against the notion that we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► going to be programmers because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► not the only people are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► programmers are programmers and I we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► grow that base I think we can grow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► base but there's a hard limit on it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► oh now one more thing to talk about here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► the thing that kills me about the ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► we've tried to make programming easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and broaden the base is a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► seem to be based on that that mistaken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► notion that anyone can be a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► Apple script is a good example and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► hyper talk a little bit of our the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► hypercar was made of saying well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► problem is that syntax is like weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► uh and that's that's off-putting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► people with it with the square brackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► punctuation and all these harsh rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► about syntax and you got to write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► exactly right what if we made it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► flexible like English you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► select the contents of window one put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► the folder into the wind you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► Apple script right and you can phrase in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► lots of different ways and we'll do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► same thing but use english word it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► punctuation because people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► programmers have trouble with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► punctuation making programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► more powerful and more forgiving is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► programming languages that no programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► wants to use is not the right way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► it and I think Apple script with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► few exceptions is that syntax and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► that type of language is looked down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► upon by quote unquote real programs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► because it's not powerful anything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► like it's Turing complete right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► just it gets in our way and the decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and decades of programming experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► the human race has says that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► it's good to be forgiving and flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and everything but the English language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► I think as we establish at the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► is actually fiendishly complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► people can't even write regular you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► we don't even know how to communicate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► each other successfully in prose but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► keeping programming out of it that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► that's not the model to use for telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► a computer what to do right that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► expect that people might send email to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► me saying well what about Perl this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► thing is that you know it's got more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► than one way to do it and it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► more like a language I think Perl is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► great example where they took took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► things that make programming language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► easier things about context and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► having different ways to write the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► thing based on context those are those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► communication but Perl is not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► they didn't go whole hog and say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► like it's like the skeuomorphism of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► programming language oh we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► make program language look like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► other thing which is in a program we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► look like pros Perl does not look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► pros I don't think anyone has ever said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► the pro looks like pros it takes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► concepts from successful linguistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► communication linguistic structures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► applies them to a programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► and by the way I'll also add that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► came up this week cuz I was doing a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► of JavaScript Perl has such awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► error reporting people tell you late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► will figure out like oh I think you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► forgot the close quote way up here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► that's why this error message down here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► is saying something nonsensical to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► it will do the work to figure out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► know and this tab was just from decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► of development of stuff and every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► JavaScript it isn't as forgiving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► would just say uh you know unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► token blah and you look at that line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► like that's perfectly fine and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► because 17 lines earlier something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► wasn't terminated or you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► semicolon or whatever and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► help you out it doesn't it doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► by the way I think it's because you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► a nun terminate string constant or by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► the way I think you have you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► didn't realize this was a continuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► of the previous line but it actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► that's that's another example of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► programming language friendlier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► programmers because we all know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► it's like when you get some obscure MS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► you get four you're at that error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► message makes no sense what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► actual error especially the languages in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► the compiled is that word just the sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► languages realize the implementation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► compilers they will just plow forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► and give you eight billion messages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► you got to like go to the first one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► the last one or try to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► was the actual error before this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► went totally off the rails and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► parser was completely confused and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► had no idea what was going on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► language as high level as you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► high-level programming languages are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► great but English is not the way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► that that was that was a blind alley so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► that's why I'm one of the ways I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► disappointed that HyperCard went by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► wayside and we got things like web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► high-level language but it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► English and there a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► provided for you you know HTML is easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► than doing your own screen drawing using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► core graphics or whatever although the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► canvas element starts confusing that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► little bit but I think the web is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► environment that allows more people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► be programmers but I don't think anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► would argue that programming JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► for the web is not real programming yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► that's what I have to say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► HyperCard my heart had to die didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► have to die as a nothing less if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► EPPICard if I heard he lived on would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► fine that the article if I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► insulting conspiracy theories about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► Apple doesn't want people to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► HyperCard empower the users but Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► all about not empowering them I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► Apple as a company has come to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► realization that were all not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► programmers came to that realization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► long ago and so it's not so concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► making programming environments that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► everyone can use ready to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► Lego Star Wars Lego Star Wars the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► Complete Saga the Complete Saga so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► were a while ago not sure how many weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► ago it was we discussed getting a Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► recommended was this Star Wars the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► official name is Lego Star Wars the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► Complete Saga is a Wii game it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► available for PlayStation 3 and Xbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► tendo DS apparently even for the Mac did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► you know that I did so this game I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► collects a whole series of other games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► before it it's you know it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► popular game for Wii and it's very cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► as far as games in general go it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► on Amazon and again this will be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► show notes and the show note the URL for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► the show notes is five by five TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► hypercritical slash 47 is 1718 bucks if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► you have Amazon Prime that's it 8:17 77 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► 415 customer reviews and it's got four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► and a half stars so I got this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► loaded it up so fun game fun little game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► there's an adventure you can do or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► could just like you said you and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► run around and smash up little bots that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► respond endlessly are you playing it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► is your son playing I have not I've not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► in yet introduce it to him it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► going to be introduced a couple days on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► Christmas so have you bought it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► playing playing the game like as in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► advancing through no I just ran around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► and you don't mess around with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► bit I think there's a two-player mode I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► think you very like yeah but just get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► wiimotes and you're both run around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► right so I did my wife and I you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► looked at it to see if it was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► he he would do or would be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► doing or would be appropriate and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► would you don't get it seemed like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► didn't get to pick who you are you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► just these just the two guys Anakin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► you run around and smash things and well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► you know you unlock things eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► and you can play as every character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► the entire universe you have to like buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► them with virtual in-game currency that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► you find you know I'm right it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► that unlockable stuff and so the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► I mentioned last time that I want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► can remote-control c-3po make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► unlock doors and make little droids do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► things it's a neat idea it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► very cool game and the thing I was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► surprised about when I got this game a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► little bit for kids I was hit the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► the only barrier really to play in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► game successfully is grasping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► concept that you move the little thump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► stick around on the guy runs which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► actually is a pretty significant leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► that I know my adults have not made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► leap yet but kids kids once the kids get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► it they they will you know they will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► it and that'll be it you won't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► frustrating them to see the little man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► on the screen and not quite understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► what they have to do with their body to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► make the little man move and wavin that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► Wiimote around to make light say around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► is great because they'll figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► on their own right but you still got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► make the guy run around and this jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► but do you find is it easier for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► wave the controller around to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► lightsaber because I found it easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► just using controller did ya we're old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► school we use the buttons but I've found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► that kids like to wave it it's more fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► you know and they're not so concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► with the max they weren't brought up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► the unforgiving world of actual arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► games or a teacher quarters or even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► early a Nintendo games where it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► you know we're all about efficiency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► precision because we're we have to must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► battle the machine but yeah it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► a kinder gentler word because these but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► the thing I wanted to say about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► game is I was shocked by how difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► gamer to figure out what they wanted me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► to do next to progress in the game yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► not none of the individual tasks were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► ever difficult but oh my Jesus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► supposed to be a game for kids you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► should be doing the thing you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► think about the early levels in a Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► or Zelda game they they they're so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► about holding your hand and saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► know this is how you jump and here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► fun thing it's not like a demo level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► like the game itself ramps you in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► says we're gonna do something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► going to teach you how to jump without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► feeling like you're learning how to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► but unbeknownst to you by doing this fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► thing you were learning how jumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► works and then they add to it okay now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► here's a double jumping works now here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► how sliding works now here's how you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► your items in Zelda because I use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► sort you know it builds and builds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► builds until you have the skills and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5158">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► they lead you through here's the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► thing we think you should do oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► should go over there and do that or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► is lighting up you know very clear never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► you never like stuck there going I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► know what to do next right at its best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► great Nintendo games and other games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► especially kids games should lead you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► through and let you know to further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► progress that's love you must do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► now star wars lego game unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► feel no compunction about just letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► you sit there and go geez I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► what I'm just in this room I guess yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► I'm just I can't get out of this room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► none of these doors are open I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► nothing is glowing no little hint is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► appearing you know and I know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► serious gamers hate that where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► you've been you've been idle for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► minutes and some little character comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► out and hey I really think you should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► see but like don't don't give me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► is a game kids I thought tell them geez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► tell them what they should do and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► know like especially the beginning I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► assume that's what kind of game it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► be like Jesus can't have a bug or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► something because it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► clear what we're supposed to do next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► yeah you know as a gamer I can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► through and figure out what they want me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► to all you got to go up to this torch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► and use the Force to yank the pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► the torch off and that it explicably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► makes the wheel of a car and bring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► wheel of the car over to the car how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► would you ever figure that out it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► the Hitchhiker's Guide text adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► this you know there's no rhyme or reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► there's no logical way you could suss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► out if I do this this will make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► item that's totally in Congress that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► will allow me to advance in a level I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► mean as a gamer eventually you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► I'll use the Force on everything break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► everything up anytime you see destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► everything hit everything with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► sword and I guess kids will figure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► out too but it's kind of cruel to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► them basically use a brute-force attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► to figure out how to progress in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► I know I didn't get any complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► this for my son because what does he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► knows one of the first games he's played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► but I would say that is the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► failing of the Star Wars Lego games that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► there is not enough hand-holding in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► terms of progression for the kids so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► when you're playing with your son I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► advise you to figure out what to do next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► otherwise he will get bored running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► around the same exact spot because he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5278">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► want to like what when do I get to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► as as you know Luke in the flight outfit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► when do I get to fly an x-wing window 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► to wrap around the snow speeders and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► won't be able to do that unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► unlock stuff so you will someone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► have to progress through the game to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► unlock stuff to be able to play all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► these things and whether that's you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► him it's worth doing because you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► get the maximum benefit out of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► without plowing through these very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► obscure strange the non helpful gameplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► things that you have to do ok then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► was your topic with Lego Star Wars but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► thumbs up for it but you did know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► didn't I didn't say thumbs up for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► did I say those that I said uh yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► seems oh I haven't I haven't put it put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► in front of them yet super for his 4th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► he's really into really into like Batman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► and superheroes in general Star Wars is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► such a distant third maybe third you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► know he's way more into the superhero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► so his birthday you know he got this my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► mom got him this the Batcave thing he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► got the little figures he's you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► right now that was like the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► and we didn't want to have that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► we and all happening his birthday he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► you know his birthday is close enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► Christmas so he separated that out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► uh and then my father in London and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► that side of the femme then that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► they got him one of these geo tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► Batman Geo Trax thing so with the we may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► not even be brought out for Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► who knows he doesn't even know it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► know what it's there he knows who Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► is can you imagine if when you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► kid you knew that this was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► first of all I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► happening with my parents but I do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► same thing where we will buy things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► our children but not give them to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► and just sort of like keep them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► storage like oh well this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► this isn't even in storage is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► entertainment center yeah or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► hiding in plain sight I think whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► I knew for example that my parents had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► bought the Millennium Falcon playset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► thought yeah we don't give him to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► photos wait a little while maybe give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► him his birthday or something I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► have gone nuts knowing that's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► house and they weren't giving it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► actually happened they would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► actually buy things and give the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► these days seem like they have more toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► than then you know my children had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► toys by the age of two than I'd ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► very well said absolutely right there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► there's this video remember this guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► had trained his dog uh and he would put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► he would like balance the treat on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► edge of its nose and he would have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► know this amazing treat right in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► and he would like make it walk forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and then walk backwards away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► treat and then lay down and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► centimeters away from the mouth of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► dog and uh you know it's it it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► almost saying it's like that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► kids they don't have any idea they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► care they're just happy to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► he has no toys you know we have a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► of toys I don't even know where these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► came from I don't know how he they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► they're here yeah and when we complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► about this I find myself complaining us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► all time it's like you know people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► especially people who don't have kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► will say well you know the toys don't by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► themselves you the kids aren't buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► the toys you are buying against you kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► if your kid has too many toys it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► because you're my mom made toys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► there is definitely truth to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► although I also think that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► phenomenon a relative's buying toys has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► also gotten worse in that when I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► kid you know my grandparents would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► me one toy and I'll barely be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► interested in what that toy was or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► whatever but now the grandparents want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► to get like I'm teen toys all he's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► he doesn't want this does you want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► grandparents do and that's what we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► do that we all it especially for nerds I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► I keep meaning to set up all the Legos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► than my son's owns in his room assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► they will fit in his room and photograph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► them just just to catalog the madness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► because when I was a kid all of my Legos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► fit into a single tough steel toolbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► retainer that was about like a foot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► a half high six inches deep and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► all the Legos I had like I had like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► bucket you want to play with your Legos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► that's what you gotta and that that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► everything I made had to be pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► at all if I had one more wing piece I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► that's right here like everything I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► had to be there built around the limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► set of you know space Legos that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► right you know you remember that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► you remember that movie Firefox with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► Clint Eastwood yep aggression yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5557">TS</a>]
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01:32:44 ◼ ► and I had some of those you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► know if they said if he made these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► things there were flat panels like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► could they were very very thin and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► would just put them on top of a another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► surface and they were just flat and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► know I never had enough to cover the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► surface of the plane yeah I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► enough nd pieces to do two wings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► bent down one big bendy piece and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► begin the tour tortures of the Damned so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► a lot of the reason I think that we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► ourselves the children way too many toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► this and how it's like compensating for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► our childhoods because we can't help it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► like I'm buying these Legos for my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► but Jesus I'm fine it's half buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► Legos for myself and now I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► build these Legos I make my son build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► every single Lego set himself the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► when we sit down to do Lego says I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► find the pieces of the inventory for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► each step because he has trouble finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► them and the big thing and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► we're going to divide labor I find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► pieces I put them out for you he assign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► has to figure out where they go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► assemble them all himself but yeah a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► of it is nerds buying nerd toys for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► their kids that they wish they had when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► they were kids and that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► reason you know it's our own fault why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► our kids end up with too many toys but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► so getting back to buying toys and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► giving to them I mean maybe that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► a little bit better than just giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► them too many toys at least we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► recognizing they have too many toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► we're trying to do something about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► we're working on it you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► 12-step program but when I when I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► skyward when I got Skyward Sword from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► son he was dying to get that game uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► and my wife is like ah you should give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► that to him for as one of his Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► presents and but I wanted to plan it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► before Christmas that one's good to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► so I bought Skyward Sword and I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► with all the other Wii games you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► the entertainment center slotted in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► all the little white other white DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► shaped cases and it sat there for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► three weeks while we were playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► another game because when I play one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► game at once we were finishing up some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► other game nice you never noticed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► it's amazing the kids don't you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► can read he could have gone over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► and read the name on the spine of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► single wee game and seen Legend of Zelda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► Skyward Sword he would have flipped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► but that was there for weeks never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► noticed it kids these days yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► they will listen back to this and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► shocked that the the torture we put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► through but since they're not so starved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► for toys like there's no way that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► Millennium Falcon place that could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► been hidden my house and we not found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► at at that age someone the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► pasted in the URL to the Lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► Rings Legos coming in summer 2012 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► I'm ashamed to say my son is not excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► I showed him the animated movie of The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► Hobbit but uh that's about it that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► we have for today's episode because / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► we're wandering into composing on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► tech related topics but yeah it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► holidays folks you just got to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► allowances for stuff like that and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► people have asked well again I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► reiterate this we have been asked if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► will be doing shows next week and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► fact John has agreed to do a show each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► heck so about these Monday through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► Friday of next week you can tune in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► catch John live from 8 a.m. to to 8 p.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► I gotta get as many shows in as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► for Gruber records again that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► because you mentioned this is to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► know quickly uh unseating John Gruber s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► the man with the most shows actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► it's not even good not that's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► be older than my older brother in five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► years just wait oh I suppose I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► he could stop recording for two and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► half years and then I could surpass him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► but I don't see that he'll don't give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► any ideas it's bad enough that he takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► these vacations yeah how dare he yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► well I guess that is it then for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► episode and uh this is the last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► before Christmas but not the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► episode of 2011 we will have at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► least one more you're gonna go get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► call right what call is that phone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► rang is that not you not me that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► alright who know I don't know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► all everything's ringing here okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► Sabine Reaper's look at that I have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► fat because we have this landline this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► is funny we have a landline it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► actually landline it's through the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► modem you know their service they give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► you a phone line so II don't that never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► use it we never receive incoming calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► on it we only sometimes call people so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► have my printer wall in one printer fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► machine thing plugged into it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► times and I have it set to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► immediately so because that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► even at you know no but nobody calls us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► on this thing so hopefully anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► would dare call it is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► assaulted by the fax machine they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► installed hit by beeps yeah yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► war it's a in case anybody wants to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► it's an epson workforce 633 you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► this remote scanning you can send faxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► to it so if you need to send a fax you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► can just print you just hit print and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► it'll little fax right from the print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► dialog in Mac OS 10 no no additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5865">TS</a>]
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01:37:49 ◼ ► thing I did as I never want to do actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► real paper facts I always want to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► magic print and then it magically faxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► up yeah I prefer to do things over email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► with with PDF and things like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► when when you are required to fax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► something that that's the way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► and it scans like that to which steams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► it doesn't doesn't seem possible like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► that that's one of these things all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► stuff all the cool toys that we have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► everything else the idea that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► print right to a fax it's like mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► boggling scan over the way because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► don't have to plug in it's all it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► Wi-Fi print directly to a papyrus scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► it would chisel your message on a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► pyramid is very cool stuff all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► John we'll have a great have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn19I3w/5913">TS</a>]