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00:00:17 ◼ ► I'm Dan benjamin today's december 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/17">TS</a>]
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00:00:52 ◼ ► I'm here with uh John siracusa who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► may have heard of he's a new new writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► learning about some some computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► learning about software and he's here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► today to share some experiences relating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► to those topics welcome and welcome to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/68">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► the Internet thanks Dan how are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/70">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► today just fine writing some Perl not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/73">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► much today not today JavaScript today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► movin up mmm lateral lateral at best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/83">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► today is gonna be another follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► filled episode oh yeah last week I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► that big list of fall up and we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/94">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► through it I thought we got through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/95">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► all but after the show was over I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► there was one big section I'd missed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► I will save that for the end but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► meantime I have more well I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► can't read her mail as a follow up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► know Marco has like dedicated reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/109">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► mail segment I've always kind of done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/110">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► Rick's not reader mail sorry listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► mail listen I've always kind of done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► listener mail as follow-up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► really what they're the people who write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/119">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► in are talking about are things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► talked about on previous episodes and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► it is kind of follow up so anyway going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► to be I have a section of my notes now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► that says reader mail but it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► part of the follow okay so I'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/129">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► we're talking about Siri and the any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► relation to to Sean Blanc I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► okay talking about Siri and the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/140">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► to find abortion clinics in that hole oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/145">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► that's nice Kalia yeah from we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► about last week and he it says that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/149">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► there's a sort of larger issue beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► the silly idea that because it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► find abortion clinics that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► Apple is pro-life or something sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► I guess it's related but it's he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► there's more more evidence for this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/169">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► he says I'll reading from his email does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► look as if Siri has been written with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► men as it's assumed users that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► explain why Siri is confused by requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► for birth control but does not know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► to do with I'm horny no but does know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► what to do with I'm right right I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► find it confused I requested birth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/186">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► control when you say I'm horny it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► like clever replies and stuff so before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► I get into whether I think a Siri was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/193">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► designed with men in mind or whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► this this is the example he gives and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► points to an article called Siri sexism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► and Silicon Valley which is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► American Prospect I put this link in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► show notes which people can read if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► the examples that he gives here I my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► question is first of all why is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► horny something that shows that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► written with men in mind I guess calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► the only mental the only men are horny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► right obviously that doesn't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► sense to me and the site why is birth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► controlling something that applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/230">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► women to men you know just don't care if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► they have indiscriminate you know babies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► everywhere I don't I don't know stoop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► convincing in fact I think the notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► that those show that there's a male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► slant the things may reveal kind of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► gender bias in the the assumptions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► underlie you know those things it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/252">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► possible these differences are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► emergent behavior of some kind but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► it seems surprising to him and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► basically the idea that if there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/262">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► it's not some specific conspiracy theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► in unconscious bias because it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/268">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► all we just assumed kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► unconscious bias of saying that it knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► right the vets are maybe a response with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► escort services and they think all women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► whatever but the that is not a conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/282">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► decision in apple's part to be evil or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► pro-life or whatever it just falls out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/287">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► of how they do things kind of like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► we were talking about Pixar where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► know we're saying Pixar old movies have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► male protagonists and tend to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/295">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► male point of view and maybe that falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► out of the fact that the directors were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► all males or whatever and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► a conscious effort to exclude somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► but it's just something that happens but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/304">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► I think and I read this this article The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► American Prospect I think the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► thing is just even though he wants the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► position as a as something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► than what I was complaining about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► everything of the computer does means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/321">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► that it's like an intelligent being and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► and then this somehow was like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► people obviously are crazy but here look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► at this this this shows that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► really may be some kind of a biased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/330">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► conscious or unconscious baked into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► there I think it's the same mistake in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/333">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► both cases it is the mistake of assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► that any whole in series understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► is a meaningful omission right I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/340">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► in reality if you were to draw like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/343">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Venn diagram of the whole of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► what Syria understands and knows about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► anytime you find anything that's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► non overlapping region you go aha that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► shows that you know this must have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► a conscious omission or there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► doesn't this note meaningful there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► because there's so much Siri doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► know about Siri knows about this tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► it's basically arbitrary what things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► fall within obviously things like making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► appointments or things to do with phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► but when it comes to just putting in fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/375">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► stuff or trying to anticipate what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► people might possibly say to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/379">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► provide a response other than I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► I don't understand if Apple made any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► mistake it was not an obvious mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► but the decision that Apple made was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► apparently we're going to put responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► in to try to cover some of the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► people we think people will say in jest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► to the phone like all those you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► questions and other type nerd things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► that you might be you know you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/403">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► talking computer what might you say to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/404">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► talking computer based on past pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► talking computers and put in clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/409">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► replies so then once you start down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► replies if there are areas you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► cover with little clever replies be well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► they had a clever reply for this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► didn't have a clever replied for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► whereas if Siri simply said I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► don't understand every time you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► anything that wasn't like using phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► functionality that might have avoided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► this controversy but I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► think there's any it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► unconscious bias into any of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► things simply because there's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► much it doesn't cover it doesn't cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► your to to a good approximation Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► knows about nothing right so anytime you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► understand I have a hard time getting my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► dander up about the fact that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► know this because doesn't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/458">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► and those such a little sliver of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► world and I'm not saying this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► defending Apple like I said it may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► been if Apple's goal was to avoid all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► controversy it would have been smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► to make the thing just say I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► don't understand that or whatever but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/476">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► aggregate it's more positive experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► with Siri because they added all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► cute little things in there and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► price of that is to have people read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► individuals didn't put in our business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► they're just a bunch of people working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/497">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► there some guys make it respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► Hitchhiker's Guide nerd yet so obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► it's people are going to put in things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/504">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► from their life experience and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/505">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► it's a bunch of nerds or a bunch of guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► nerds I don't even know what the gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► makeup of Apple's engineers in the siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► team are for all I know it could be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/514">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► women right but that's but these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► don't know either so I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► still think it's a non-issue another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► issue that I continue to talk about so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► guess I'm doing to myself here so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► next one is from John Carroll kavala [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/527">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► talked about iBooks last week and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► like the book page Chrome with the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/537">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► know that shit looks like it's an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/541">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► book with the spine in the middle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► and I was saying how that was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► pointless and everything anachronistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► and but it served a purpose to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/549">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► people more comfortable with it and drew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► them in and let them know they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/553">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► read books and all that little stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► what I did say it some point during that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/557">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► is that anybody who reads books for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► longer gets into ebooks and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► they're interested in they really they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/565">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► want to stop reading paper and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► reading ebooks or they really start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► getting to go they will abandon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► Chrome it will stop being meaningful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/572">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► meaningful or interesting to them at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and this person wrote in to tell me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► he knows some people his mother-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► and his wife who we think just loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/583">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► that Chrome and who read a lot of iBooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► so yeah it's the it's a comfort factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/587">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► and it has all the marketing benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► but some people even after they get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► this read book after book after book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► still still get a kick out of that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► it doesn't wear off you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► the familiarity and comfort provided by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► that thing looking like a book is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► ongoing benefit ah which I didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► know I would which it sort of negates my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► you know people won't ah I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► think this gets back to and I responded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/618">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► this person by email to is I should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/619">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► this in the shownotes thing I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/622">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► about ebooks a long time ago uh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► was making I was talking about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► who said ebooks are bogus because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► like real books and is all these tactile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/631">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► and you know sensory advantages of real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► books and all those other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/636">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► are true about that real books have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► D books don't and what I said was those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/639">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► benefits and they aren't reproduced by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► books and the analogy I drew is between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► people who are really into horses when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► the automobile came along and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► things there are experiences of owning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► duplicated by cars one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/657">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► listed which I was surprised that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► to contest to be on was that the smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► of horses if you're a horse person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► you love horses you love riding horses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► horses have have a have meaning to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► personally emotionally and they're part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► of the experience you know books have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► the same thing people smell like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/677">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► glue that connects the bindings or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► leather if it's a leather round book or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/680">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► whatever that smell experiences is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► important then obviously ebooks don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/683">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► reproduce that they smell like a lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/684">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► solder years ago I don't know if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► smell lead but but you know and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► said was those people are right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/693">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► they're not going to get this experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► from their horses that you know from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/696">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► cars that they have with the horses but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► eventually those people will all die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► then will will be arriving cars and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► is true of people of you know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► are live right now who are accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► books and find comfort in that the there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► they may find comfort in that those fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► book graphics for the entirety of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► life but I think that the long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► trend is away from physical books just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/719">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► eventually the people who are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► into horses will be in the vast vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► minority and Aaron else will drive cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► and not not think for a second what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► they're missing by not riding a horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► you know I mean like that's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► march of progress I think already that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► that sort of choosing to choosing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► give comfort to those people and aim for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/743">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► them is is not forward-looking it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► of a mistake would be like designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► your car to try to simulate the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► that people loved about horses better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► just look forward and it's kind of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► it's backwards for Apple because in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► forward-looking you know I drop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► obstacle just drop the floppy drive get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► rid of the the things that are comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► to people who are used to PCs you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► only can't install arbitrary software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► very simple applications all all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► things that all of us who grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► with personal computers think are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► know that's not you know what things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► loved about pcs were configurability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/780">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► ability to use all my legacy hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► and software and all that stuff and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/785">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► Apple said no we're going forward we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► leaving without you we're on this side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► mostly because it was everyone seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► think that Steve Jobs had big influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► and there's a heap he clearly does love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► physical things and he grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► that so he was probably also comforted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► by those little book graphics but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► I think it's a mistake and I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/809">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► they should be consistent in their ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► and I mean I guess Apple those tubas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► they introduced the the quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► it's probably I don't know I keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► back and forth this is it a good idea to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► have that as a default because it's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/823">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► a great such great PR it sells iPads it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/824">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► important purpose so I keep going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and forth on whether it should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► default or not I guess what I would hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► for was that it would be that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► be the default on the display models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► annoyed where's the cool looking book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► thing I don't know maybe maybe Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► right on this the book books is a harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/846">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► call than the calendar thing because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► think the calendar thing has already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► progressed so much that how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► use a paper calendar versus keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/853">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► calendar and Outlook or whatever most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/855">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► working people who work with computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► all day long have long since accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► calendar the very least for work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► making it look like a paper calendar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► just wasted whereas most people I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► think have come over to ebooks yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► making it look like a paper book maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► less wasted on them I don't know but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/872">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► was a good point that there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► who derive a continued and ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► benefit and enjoyment from from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► thing I think it's a real phenomenon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► think it's you can't dismiss those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► people but I think of all those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► including us will eventually die and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► won't be you know that time marches on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► oh one last one from Fred sindelle oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/891">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► the fred sandal email yeah what's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/897">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► with apple's aversion to ergonomics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/901">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► they have great design always beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► stuff but i think they could do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► also integrate organ AMEX try the Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Mouse it's not comfortable I have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► Wireless it's fine but it can be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► more comfortable there I think we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► talked about this on past shows I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► like a lot of apples ergonomics too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► always what I ascribe their failure to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/921">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► devotion to visual design right which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► takes dominance over organ ah max so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► when it comes down to this could be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► it would be uglier they go with make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► make it beautiful right and my big one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► complain about a while back was the half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/942">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► size arrow keys obviously is someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► programmers use arrow keys a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► maybe not maybe not their VI users but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► Mac users anyway use arrows a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► if you're a Mac programmer and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► half size because if they weren't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► would poke out of the perfect rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/960">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► area made for keyboards on laptops so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/962">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► why don't you know it's not it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► comfortable to use a half size arrow key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► but in that when a debate comes up hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► you know we could we have plenty of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► on this laptop to you know to push down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► full-size keys like in a little inverted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► tea and lots of PC laptops do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► those those people that you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► never winning that not that that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/986">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► as a minor organ Amma Kish ooh full-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► keys are slightly more ergonomic than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► half size keys but for things from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► mice the same type of deal those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/995">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► chunky mice it's not as clear-cut with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► different ways if you rest your hand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► top of it a flat or mice or even like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► puck Mouse I know a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► really love the puck Mouse aside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► the alignment issues of figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► which way was up they liked the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► that it was low profile and if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► you use the mouse like that a low Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► is good for you but if you grip it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► the sides you want something that fills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► your hands so your hands aren't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► kind of poised above it right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► you want something to rest your palm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► so like Logitech and Microsoft make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► larger mice like that I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► the case with the mice is as clear-cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► as people make it out to be but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► are people who want a higher Mouse a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► adult-sized hand and Apple doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► one of those I think apples big eyes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► going to mix in with the magic Mouse's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► touching the left button when you press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► the right button right so you've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► do this little dance almost like into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► insect or a crab would move if animating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► dance you have to do this weird lift one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► finger touch other yeah and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► do that automatically and say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► what's the problem I don't you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► won't even you'll you'll tell them about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► this enabled and have never been aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► of that problem because they do that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► matter what but if you don't do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► will quickly find that it's registering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► a left click when you really meant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► right click and if there were actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► separate buttons and what would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► big deal with separate buttons like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► most modern mice is not like you need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► bunch of cut lines need one little thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► line between the two halves and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► plastic flexes enough a lot of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► modern mice have that they just have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► it's still one piece of plastic for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► top of the mouse is just to cut down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► middle and it you know it bends down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► right and left doesn't matter you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► talking a left side but you're pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► two separate switches but no they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► want that cut line so and they want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► guess they also want to look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► single button Mouse and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► still how it defaults yes it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► does default to a working like a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► mouse button until you manually go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► and change yeah I think putting in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► cut line would be a big upgrade and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► also wouldn't confuse people because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► someone doesn't know it about the double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► buttons they still can't hit the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► button the fact they're two maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► will give them pause but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► they'd even notice that there were two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► buttons if you make the cut line very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► subtle on me on the mouse so are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► organized things that Apple does we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► talked about the slippery little pill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► iPod stuff where it looks very nice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► if it's something that's meant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► held in your hand probably making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► slippery as a bad idea especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► it's breakable but it's the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► they've gone back and forth on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► the edges on on laptops Marco's had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► good macro photography on his website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► showing that Apple has actually made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► edge of its unibody aluminum MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► slightly less sharp but still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► darn sharp and for people who rest their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► wrists which you should not do by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► way it's ergonomically speaking it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► a good idea to rest your wrists on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► compresses everything in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► really you're they should be up in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► hands to be anyway if you don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► problems with RSI and you rest your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► wrist or yours in between typing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► like to rest your wrist or the sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► edge there it dulled down a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► or not that's not the best organ Amma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► Klee speaking but it looks really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► right when you especially when you close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► it up that line is really nice and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► looks like a nice machine you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► it's not rounded over because rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► over look less elegant in many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► areas of the handles the handles on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► g5 and Powermat case they look nice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► if there's you're supposed to use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► in your hands to pick a 50-pound machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► those handles are not comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► they're not aligned right there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► metal that digs into your hands and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► not just to the record it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► how to do this if you look at the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► remember your old blue and white g3 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► you had how great that thing was to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► grab hold of and move around it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► little bit better and a lot day the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► quicksilver's where they had a it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► thick completely clear handles they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► curved on the bottom as well as the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► they because the the g4 and g3 handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► were solid on the top but had like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► of a scaffolding framework behind them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► so that wasn't wasn't a solid back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► surface with the Quicksilver solid there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► we yeah so they had they had done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► better but I think but you know when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► that's because in that particular case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► that was not a tension between design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► ergonomics and this this is kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► gets me with a lot of Steve Jobs always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► talking about design is how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► it's not what it looks like and stuff he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► obviously had a weak spot when it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► to that because economic society parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► on a wall it's really how how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► everyone also wants it to look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► awesome and in particular cases when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► there's a conflict between looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► awesome and being the best organ amelie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► Apple under the second reign of Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► Jobs chose to make things look better a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► lot of the time sometimes I think very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► foolishly but they will be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► to see if that changes now the jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► gone if we see some some decisions were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► something that doesn't look as nice as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► it could but it's ergonomically better I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► think I did that whole show about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► looking good as they wear out right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► that was actually in the jobs bio where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► I think someone brought that up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► the stainless steel back of an iPod I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► think this was pre iPhone and how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► know it looks awesome in photos when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► fingerprints go on it gets scratched if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► you know almost instantly if you put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► near anything and then eventually is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► scratched up and what Steve Jobs said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► was I actually kind of really like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► look of scratched up shiny stainless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► steel maybe he does or he could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► rationalizing I don't know does he like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► on stainless-steel maybe like that do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► different tastes is true but we all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► generally like the the reason I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► that Apple Apple products are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► designed to look good as they where is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► that all apples product photography and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► all their commercials the devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► basically untouched by human hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► they're like pristine perfect they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► that people always think they're 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► renders they look so awesome that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► testament to the people who product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► photography for Apple but realistically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► speaking no device every touch by human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► will look like the ones in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► product photos practically you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► photographed in a vacuum chamber all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► right you know at Intel cleanroom right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► if and if they really thought their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1378">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► products looked awesome as they wore out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► as Steve Jobs seemed to they were I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► would imagine there would be some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► of like advertisement showing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► emotional connection to the iPod you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► had for a long time that's another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► Apple doesn't want you to have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► iPods for a long time they want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► buy a new one but you know kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► car commercials will occasionally show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► the guy who's got the Honda with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► million miles in it it's like a 1982 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Honda right and it's not it's not beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► up but it doesn't look like a new car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► and they'll do like the magazine ad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► whatever showing the guy standing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► standing up to his old VW saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► know I've had this for 300 thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► miles and yeah I look at it and it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► you know it's not it it's always looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► good but it looks like a car that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► used and they're saying this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► beautiful thing our machines are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► durable and tough and you can have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► and as they age they they look nice as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► they as they wear this is not so much an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► ergonomic issue as a reliability issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► that's another place where I brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► is another place where there's a tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► between looking good when you take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► out of the box and something that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► continue to look good later and when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► comes down to a choice Apple seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► pick well we know this is the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► this thing is going to be filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► fingerprints and scratched up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► everything but man it looks great when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► it's new so that's our choice instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► economically better like won't slip out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► of your hand and will look better six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► months into use with all their devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► that handheld desktop everything if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► anything I was is more room on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► desktop to make something that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► like a piece of sculpture because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► not carrying it around you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► manipulating it so that can look awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► you know and then speaking of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► Isaacson bio there was a story this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► that Oh Susan fortune fortune magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► at CNN I don't even know the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► relationship with these entities anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► link in the show notes that the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► biography could expand Isaacson saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► that he he might expand the book someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► possibility is doing an extensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► annotated version I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► have a lot of value because although he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► does have the big like bibliography in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► interviewed Hugh and stuff who we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► interviewed when it's not easy to map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► individual quotes and stuff back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► complaints that I and other people not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► about the books it's not always easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► tell when someone is speaking when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► someone's being quoted what is this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► is that someone speaking now was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► someone speaking in the 80s you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► can't tell when the interview that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► gave this information took place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► whether it was performed by the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► or not whether he's just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► retelling something from another source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► so an annotated version I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► would up it would do wonders to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► resolve some of those mysteries right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► yeah and if a lot of people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► well you know so we did a bad job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► the bio whatever but I guess people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► use it as reference material and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► he'll release his material this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► like partially along the road to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► know releasing all of his notes and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► of his interviews if he taped them if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► transcribed as interviews I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► what his research looks like and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► there is this big font of a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► material that he could release one early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► the book the book just wrote itself John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► yeah register itself that's yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► like I didn't have to do anything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► yeah and so that's one possibility and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► another is writing an addendum that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► addresses the period surrounding jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► death but which jobs is death they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► jobs in this fortune Oracle Jo BS ' you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► don't like that no I don't like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► isn't that perfectly valid that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► a stylistic decision I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► think so I mean it different style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► guides have different different rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► for that and a lot of people like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► a lot of people like to do Jesus with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► the apostrophe after the S to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► something that belongs to Jesus and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► of one of the rules I've seen where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► it's like people bargaining like well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► you're talking about somebody from 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► years ago you're allowed to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► because tradition that's how it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► been written but really everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► should be a positivist I am big on Jay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► OBS apostrophe s any name that ends in S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► I always do that but apparently not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► cnn.com or fortune or whatever this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► articles from Sol 20 oh yeah expanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► the period when his death because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► obviously he died the book was supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► to be finished around June and he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► he wasn't dead yet then so something had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► to be added to say that to indicate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► eventually he died but there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► there's more information now that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► could add I would imagine this is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► imagine if Isaacson expanded it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► include more information on his death he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► would just like pull quotes from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► that article in the New York Times from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► from Mona Simpson like II wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► wouldn't do any research himself he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► looked what everyone else wrote like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► know the book would have to continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► wouldn't actually want to bless that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► but I don't even I I think there's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► interested in the human the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► interest aspects of his life like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► you need to know how he died about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► that's like personal stuff that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► does that illuminate his life more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► tell us more about what he did that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► important you know I don't not not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► I say oh you you complain that he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► do and I didn't have enough content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► now you're complaining when he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► expand it I guess it's fine but of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► the things that he would what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► getting as people say well is this going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► to make you happy when he goes back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► does this annotated version I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► would be useful for for future people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and because if he doesn't release all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► his source material this is a better way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► for people to get a handle on what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► actually did and where he got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► information so they can better do more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► scholarly books down the line but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► want him to go back and flesh stuff out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► it wouldn't be the part about when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► dies that's not I you know that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► the most lacking part of the book of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► anything he dwelled on the whole cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► it out of proportion with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► portions of his life that I thought were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► just as or more important or certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► longer you know because he was dying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► how many years and he was you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► had he was known to have cancer for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► many years and how many years before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► that he didn't so it seems a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► out of proportion so we'll see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► comes with that I don't know if I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► rebuy the book in a perfect world my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► Amazon Kindle copy would be Auto updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► but Amazon has no clue how to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► their ebooks I think they'd send you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► email and you have to reply in an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► with the word yes and it was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► that's like going back to the 90s like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► month and then you have to redownload it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► and you lose all your notes and do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► next one this is this is a link it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► also follow up because it's a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► we've talked about a lot this is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► guy English who has a website slash blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► I can look at the name so I don't mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► yeah I wonder visit about page where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► explains but that comes from it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► bear on it I don't he doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► he's kicking anyway he wrote what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► think is the the most interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► best guest so far it doesn't mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► think it's accurate but it's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► interesting to me because I haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► other people dog that up of what an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► Apple television set would be like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► said it's called how I'd build an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► television set did you read this one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► did so here's here's what I thought with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► really we've been talking about does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► Apple make a television set itself did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► they just make the box do they make both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► if you may you know if you make the set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► how do you upgrade the thing in it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► they separate but then it would be too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► many wires you know but Apple want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► make the TV set because is this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► expensive product so the the profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► would be large around all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► we talked about in past shows so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► this very interesting idea so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► the television set the the screen and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► would just be one wire coming out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► that screen which would be the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► cable this is a lot like the original 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► inch Apple Cinema Display which just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► one wire poking out of the back of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► most elemental monitor Apple had made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► and that one wire poking out of the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► of it was an ad seaport which which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► would plug into the back here computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and that would provide power and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► video signal and everything so this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► there will be one cord coming out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► back of this television and it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► a power plug that plugs in your wall I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► sit so that that satisfies one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► Apple's simplistic things and also he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► don't think he mentions this but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► assume there's no other places to plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► things into this television it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► just you can tune pictures in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► like a perfectly elegant simple probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► aluminum backed screen with a power cord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and a stand and that's all alright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► which you wouldn't just by that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► because then you know if it just is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► plug how doesn't do anything right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► it would also come with a little Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► TV box which would look kind of similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► to the one now maybe a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► different but it's a separate box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► that separate box would not connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► the television with a wire so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► separate box obviously had to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► power plug but it would communicate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► the television set wirelessly I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► says did he say Bluetooth or maybe Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► no I think he says Wi-Fi some wire some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► standard wireless technology that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► sufficient bandwidth for high-definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► video and and Wi-Fi qualifies and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► would probably you'd probably have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► somewhere in the same room as a TV or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► not near it or whatever now here's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► I think it gets interesting well one one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► place it gets interesting is how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► envisions the little box getting onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► your Wi-Fi network and he brought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► up because of some things he was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► about Bluetooth 4.0 and the chip is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► apparently in the iPhone 4s but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► support is in the OS yet so apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► getting hardware and software vendors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► ready for a Bluetooth 4.0 which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► assuming in a future iOS update will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► enabled with my iPhone for us and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► the one of the things that was talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► about in these articles but about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► is the the idea that a device a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Apple device that you bring into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► home and turn on and it wants to get on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► your Wi-Fi network instead of you having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► to say like pick your SSID from a pop up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► menu or type in the name of it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► type in the password for your Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► network that you'll remember you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and that whole process of getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► device on your network I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► many times you've done this but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► I've done it with my we did you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► deal it's an hassle and it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► not a great even for people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► what they're doing getting my Tivo on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► the wireless network it's just always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► hassle because each device has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► little interface especially if it's a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► device we're using a little remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► control that to try to enter your Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► password and God forbid you change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► Wi-Fi Pepperidge forget the book forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► to change the password on the TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► upstairs and realize two weeks later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► that it hasn't beginning program info [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► you know are doing it on your wii your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► playstation or anything like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► just a hassle and that's for us if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► know what we're doing we know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► in you know weapon WPA and wpa2 and MAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► address valid like we know about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► stuff and it's still annoying so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► who don't know I just you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► why I fear sometimes recommending a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► hardware device to somebody like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► you should go get one of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► just envision them taking this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► home and opening it up and being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► alright so how do I get to the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► right do we have it says something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► Wi-Fi do I have that and you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► just got whatever you know the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► company came and installed the router [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► and like maybe they don't have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► that's wireless or maybe they just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► their phones but they always use on 3G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► you have no idea what's going on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► people's houses and it's a big hassle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and this is exactly something you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► Apple would want not to deal with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► want customers not to deal with so since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Apple has all these different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► saying well you bring an Apple device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► into your home and what it would do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► look around and interrogate the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Apple devices that are already on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► network and ask them what's the Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► connection info here right what do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► yeah help me out yeah and it can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► because you know it's got its got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► discoverability and you can have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► know well-known ports & Demons listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► on these other devices talk to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► it's tough to be some authentication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► it's not like you could just bring into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► a device into your house and say oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► automatically on your network haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► because that's you know a horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► security hole but what it would do it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► example it gives here is that you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► in the Apple TV thing and then say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► would find your iPhone and it would pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► up a little notification on your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► and says hey it looks like this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► Apple TV device in the house and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► wants on the network should we let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and you just say yes and wherever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► is it's a that comes up on your Mac on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► your on your iPod on your iPhone any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► knows the answers to these questions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► how to get on my Wi-Fi network on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► device it will pop up something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► says someone's asking together network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► should I let it yes or no and if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► yes you've given permission to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► thing to get on your network uh it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► say okay you know it's like the buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► system it's like a buddy system yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► and it would say okay I'll tell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► device how to do and it would send the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► device okay here's here's the SSID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► encryption you should use you know would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► just tell the information and this is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► think this is a great idea I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► Apple will do it I assume everyone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► eventually do it at the camp but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► is uniquely positioned to do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► a household with the Apple TV device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► especially at this point is very likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► to have an iPhone a Mac and iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► iPod Touch one of those things somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► already on the Wi-Fi network that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► put on the old-fashioned way right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► doesn't help the guy who gets Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► is their very first Apple device they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► still have to go through the same you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► know getting on your Wi-Fi networks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► whatever but it's something they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► to help and the second thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► think is really interesting about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► that I hadn't heard read anywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and I think is a great way to cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► through this thing is that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► thing on the back of the Apple TV box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► are HDMI ports and their inputs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► outputs so there's no inputs on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► television but these inputs on the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► TV box I think that's a nice division of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► labor where the screen is just a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► that presumably you wouldn't replace a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► lot that's like oh the people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► replace their TVs a lot and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► literally just a screen and not putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► stuff on the back of it gets you out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► the thing we're like oh I bought an HDTV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► in in 2001 but doesn't have HDMI in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► back I'm sorry if I got that date wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► every r1 HDMI became common on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► it's got a component video and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► televisions without HDMI because HDMI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► hadn't been invented and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► OHP mi 1.4 vs. 1.0 and one can't carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► Ethernet over it or one doesn't do HDCP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► the right way or support the right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► know all that stuff all the reasons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► might replace the television set are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► tied to things that are on the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► the televisions that are inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► television set to become obsolete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► that doesn't happen quickly but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► happen so if you just make a screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► a display the only thing that can change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► that is well there's a new screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► technology that's better than this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► your thing like burns out of bricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► something right so by getting all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► stuff off and just having the power plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► you're allowed to have the big expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► you know one thousand two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► dollar screen depending on how big it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► for a long time like a television and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► you put the stuff that might that needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► to be replaced HDMI inputs maybe HDMI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► Thunderbolt or something in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► god knows the the CPU that's in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► that gets better every year the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► of RAM the OS that it runs you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► will replace your little Apple TV box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► but you will not replace the television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► and having the inputs in the back means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► that you're not signing up for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► Apple only lifestyle we're like oh what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► I need I need this thing to replace all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► of my content because presumably what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► you could plug into those HDMI ports are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► the output from your TiVo the output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► from your cable box the output from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► then that would go through the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► an Apple TV be the weight point for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► but you could still use your Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► that you wouldn't you wouldn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► Apple TV to completely replace your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► viewing experience it would just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► supplement to the same way it is now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► it's kind of reverse where you take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► Apple TV and you plug it into input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► number two three or four on the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► your existing TV and all the other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► we're plugging the other inputs and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► saying move all the inputs to the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► TV get your Apple TV screen and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► that's a nice division of labor in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► of recognizing the fact that Apple won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► have enough content on day one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► replace everyone's entertainment needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► immediately right so you have to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► some path forward to the future but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► does make the little box kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► central controlling place for all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► other stuff and it also bypass like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► you know I still like a DVR I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► record stuff Apple's not going to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► DVR fine still have your DVR you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► you're it's connected to it makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► Apple TV central it's not the omnivorous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► box that I was talking about but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► makes the the Apple TV the central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► device in your entertainment stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► simply because everything goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► it you know even if it's psychological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► right it comes like I'm I use Apple TV I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► don't watch TV and yeah I can see my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► cable and my other stuff there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► really I'm using Apple TV it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► main is the hub of my entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► center and then there's a bit in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► about the remote having a little touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► control on it to swipe around instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► a bunch of buttons I found that less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► convincing I think we're all not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► think it's not going to happen or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► anything I just think that that's only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► small incremental step over having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► four-way button and you're saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► know the Siri thing let's got it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► got one little thing on it where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► swipe around it works kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► five-way type thing but if you press and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► hold it becomes serine you're talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► a little Mike and we want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► that before you know show me the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► episode of whatever thing you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► and it's easier than going through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► bunch of menus systems so kudos the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► English for providing I think is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► speculative take on Apple television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► it's an Isis the thing I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► you say not true about anybody or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► anything ever no no it's true yeah oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► mean what do you think of that does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► sound set is that nice Apple I do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► Apple keep the idea you've heard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► the best one I've heard this week this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► week that you're right you're right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► do keep coming but I hear the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► things oh you know hear the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► sell Siri you be able to talk to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► then it's magic and or are they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► have enough content they won't make a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► they will people don't buy it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► the arguments keep going around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► around this is the first concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► proposal that addresses some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► concerns not really the input one but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► the very least the whole why would Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► ever make a television set and how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► that even feasible all right so how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► you doing today Jon I'm okay okay maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► we ought to take a quick sponsor break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► give a chance to capture good idea I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► take a dream only been talking for 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► minutes straight all right all right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► know I didn't want to hear on a roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► first sponsors harvest that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► using it today I use these guys like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► crazy this is great I love this service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► it's harvest it's painless time tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► and invoicing companies like like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► like 5x5 we use it happy cog uses it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► sure you've heard of Volkswagen they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► it lots of companies and what is it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► a painless way to track time and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► you send your clients a professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► invoices you can get at em via email you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► can do these the PDF things are to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► get give them access on the web they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► see it it'll lets you accept online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► credit card and check payments and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► and they have a free companion iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► app they've got an Android app for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► functions that lets you track time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► expenses on the go so john syracuse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► goes out to WWDC he goes he sits down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► eat his whopper and he realizes this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► to count against my per diem but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► never remember the receipt so what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► pulls out his iPhone or isn't access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► whatever it is he takes a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► their seat uploads it right in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► this integrates with all your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► does small business apps like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► Apps Basecamp here's what you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► tried for free for 30 days you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► give them your credit card you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► sign up for anything long-term you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► go to get harvest comm slash 5x5 this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► a 30-day free trial you use the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► use the app the way you want to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► and after the trial period comes to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► end and you say I can't live without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► this you enter in this this code and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► code will be I in the show notes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► code is five by five TV you get 50% off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► your first month you get to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► though by January 31st 2012 so you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► anyway get harvest calm / 5x5 thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► to them for making this show possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► you can use that app aren't you happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► cog to Volkswagen that is a span of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► client expensive I think 5 by 5's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► center right in the middle there no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► you're you're very close to the happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► cog again not the Volkswagen no not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Volkswagen AG whatever the initials are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► after that holding company that owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► vowed outing Lamborghini and pony I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► a holding company yeah anyway harvest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► love those guys oh and we also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► mention that our our show notes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► repeatedly are brought to you in part by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► uh the lovely ladies at help spot calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► the best helpdesk software in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► what's next you get more I do we done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► shows no no no I've got more now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► fearing that I'm not also not gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► the thing that I left that well we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► get to the thing the thing things see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► how long we'll see how long the section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► we get to it so one of the advantages I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► always complain about having a Friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► slot even though you know it is the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► slot be honest well realistically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► speaking it doesn't matter because I all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► everyone else gets to go before me well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► arbitrarily decide the week begins on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Sunday but in reality the business week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► does kind of begin there and think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► is a weekly cycle to news and events so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► sometimes I get annoyed that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► people get first crack at the topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► that I'm interested in on other shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► that I listen to I called man I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► to talk about that now he's going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► everything I wanted to say and I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► to be demotivated but the advantage is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► that they can say things that give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► ideas for stuff talked about on my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► so that happened this week when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► listening to the talk show where John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► was talking about his appearance on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► verge right and one of the topics that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► was brought up by Joshua Topolsky and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► that you guys talked about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► was the angle the Joshua seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► when interviewing John Gruber on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► verge was about fanboy ISM and bias was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► and as an aspect that you guys talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► about and it's something I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► about in relation to John for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► but didn't want to like bring it up out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► of blue because it would seem like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► would seem like I was doing with Josh we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► was doing which was like of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► things talked about uses but you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► interesting thing about John Gruber you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► wanna you want to talk about bias and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► stuff like that but since he already did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► it you guys already talked about it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► I can I can frame it as follow up on a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► section that I heard you talk about Edie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► River River Gruber started by saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► that like it doesn't like the term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► fanboy visits it's dismissive and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► right it's it's it's something you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► there's no rebuttal for that it sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► is dismissive of also if if somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► is an Apple is writing something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► known to write things that tend to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► Apple stuff regardless of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► whether it's true or not if you label [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► that person or what that person does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► fanboy that's it's very dismissive this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► is his argument and I do agree with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► is that it's very dismissive of pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► much anything the person does you say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► well he's he's just an Apple fanboy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► it's like saying well we can disregard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► what he says because he's deluded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► you can throw the whole argument away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► even if it's a hundred percent true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► perfectly valid and supported doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► he's a fanboy that's what John was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► complaining but I think and I hope I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► repeating and basically anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► this like the word fanboy or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► once you're once you're saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► somebody is you're not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► what they do right you're not you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► addressing their actions or their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► statements you're saying regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► their actions or statements they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► this thing it's it's a state of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► right that negates all their actions so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► it's like oh it's not even worth talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► about their actions because he is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► thing yeah and this thing inherently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► is not worth you know listening to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► that's that's just completely unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► cause it out the window and facili right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► but what most people are trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► by saying someone is a fanboy is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► saying the things that they do make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► think that they are this this bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► that is fanboys it that it only thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► good things why not I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► never liked the word fanboy because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► kind of silly the word I always come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► when I think about evaluating what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► somebody says I don't want to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► don't want to get into politics I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► going to try very hard to avoid politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► in the discussion so we'll just talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► about tech blogs I've been reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► somebody everything somebody tech tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► blog to see if I can see where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► motivated what they're saying or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► kind of things can I expect this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► favorite favorite word about this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► partisan which again might remind you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► politics it does is that not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► purely political word I looked up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► definition hoping the definition would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► reinforce my impression of the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► partisan but it's definition is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► is vague you know uh let me actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► so the app little apple dictionary is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► just I mean if partisan means what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► think it means when you say something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► partisan it's prejudiced in favor of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► particular cause well that's a very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► you know definitional matter or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► number one definition is a noun is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► strong support of a party cause or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► person party is thrown in there again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► because of the political connection I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► right I also like the definition number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► two a member of an armed group formed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► fight serially against an occupying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► force in particular one operating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► enemy occupied Yugoslavia Italy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► parts of Europe More war - that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► what I mean but I I think of partisan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► use that word because in politics there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► are many partisans and I heard this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► wish I could remember this many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► years ago her this big philosophical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► television as he relates to politics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► the distinction was always about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► someone's a partisan or not and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► would color how you might view what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► what they say right and here's here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► definition of a partisan attack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► politics or anything like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► somebody on a particular topic who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► starts from a premise of whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► premise may be the premises chocolate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► cake is good and then what they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► gather all evidence and report all facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► in support of this premise but minimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► or ignore facts that are countered to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► people they're allergic to chocolate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► whatever I'm trying to pick a cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► examples of people don't go nuts pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► right in politics I think we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► recognize a partisan like when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► how I'm doing it hariom when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► someone on television I was a talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► head and you know before they open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► mouth what they're going to say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► they're going to say is they're in favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► of X and they're against Y and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► nothing this person is going to say ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► that will it be counter to that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► know someone on television talk radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► host some people you like I can help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► I got it I'm sorry guys got to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► Rush Limbaugh all right there's someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► on talk radio right-wing talk radio Rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► Limbaugh's thing his shtick his premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► is his whole thing is based on the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► and and that other people are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► about you know I'm not gonna go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► individual issues right so even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► when he says you know I was wrong on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► this he's always going to frame it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► way that him admitting him being wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► is him being magnanimous and showing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► know like everything is about how right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► there and you know what they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► say you know you know they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► be in favor of something about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► particular thing it against something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► else and it's just never going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► you're not going to turn around and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► next day they're going to come you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► what that thing I've been against for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► years and years actually I changed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► mind it's not going to happen they are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► partisan they have they have they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► premise and their job is every fiber of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► their being is to support that premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► to do everything they can if they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► something is against that premise they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► will just construct their life their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► show their personality that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► around the idea that there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► that can happen nothing anyone can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► nothing nothing no event no fact no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► anything that can dissuade them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► that premise and their job is to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► for that premise and that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► the most extreme case of a partisan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► interesting because if you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► they're going to say before they say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► and there you see these people and news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► programs all the time like you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► guy's going to come out you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► ACLU guy you know he's going to be I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► trying to flip it around people here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► know he's going to be in favor of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► anyone's freedom or the libertarian guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► or whatever you know what position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► they're going to knock out the ACLU guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► got not going to go you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► think you're right in this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► case in a specific instance the good of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► the many outweighs the good of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► individual and this is this is a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► single quoting stock again this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► slightly in the specific case they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► not going to do that no like right so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► there is and people you might think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► going to say well that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► partisan is dishonorable because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► not being is the word that you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► talked about you're not being objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► you're not you're not if you can't if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► the facts can't change your opinion then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► what good you're obviously thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► about this issue all right I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► is value in partisans and it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► what partisans have to say because since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► their entire life is dedicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► even in favor of their premise if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► interested in what are the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► arguments in favor of this premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► parson is probably the guy to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► possess all they do all day is figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► out how can I convince people chocolate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► cake is awesome what what evidence can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► gather to that end how can I show people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► than anyone who says the child cake is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► not good or wrong right and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► that person hasn't particularly balanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and you can't take what everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► say at face value but if you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► for what is the strongest argument in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► favor of chocolate cake a chocolate cake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► partisan is a great source for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► information now getting back to Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► for a second one of the things he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► in the show they says two people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► would call him a fanboy and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► that is tell mewhere tell me what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► wrote that was wrong instead of just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► know instead of telling me what I am I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► a fanboy or you know I'm whatever look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► at my actual actions look at the words I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► actually wrote and show me which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► the ones that I wrote you think is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► instead of just talking about Who I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► and why that negates everything I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► ever say and if we think back to what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► just talked about as a partisan you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► you are like a a good partisan or moron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► or honorable partisan it's very it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► very possible that you will never say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► anything untrue and still be it still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► a partisan like what you've done is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► arguments supported by actual facts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► favor of your position uh and so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► nothing when you do that thing tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► tell me what I wrote that was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► nobody can find one because there's none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► everything you said any facts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► presented was you're not misrepresenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► facts you're not distorting the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► you're not you know you are just simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► picking the facts that support your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► position and providing arguments in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► support of it so I think although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► although that's a good way to switch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► focus from what am I to talk about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► I'm actually doing I don't think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► refutes the premise that you might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► partisan because you just might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► best partisan ever or a very good one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and you an honest one that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► misrepresent the facts but nevertheless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► ignores facts that are countered your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► thing and the worst sin of the partisan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► though is that nothing could ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► possibly happen to change your opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► and that's the one that really gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► people to like even though everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► you said was right I just have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► feeling that if the facts changed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► wouldn't change and you'd still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► saying exactly the same thing and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► lose interest in that type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► except for people just want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► their pains that go back to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► there are a lot of those people but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► like the you know I don't know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► discerning nur the people listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► this show right I don't know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► critical thinkers you're much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► interested in somebody once you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► decided based on what you've seen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► this person that there's no fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► will ever change their opinion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► everything they've simply they've chose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► their premise in 1982 and they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► to support till the day they die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► they become less interesting you're less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► interested in what they have to say or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► after you've heard all the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► possible are especially if the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► changed drastically and they just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► droning on about you know whatever it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► like one example I was thinking of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► site I don't know if these people exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► but say there's like a Windows Mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► when wind ze enthusiastic Wincy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► awesome it is the best mobile operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► system it's going to dominate the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► my premise is though is that one sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► the future and no matter how the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► change you know palm comes along is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► doing well now wins he's still going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► win and then the iPhone comes along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► they change to Windows Mobile Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► Mobile is awesome it's going to wipe out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► the iPhone and then Windows seven comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► like when don't you know no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► small windows mobile market share gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► number two how many reviews say Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Mobile is not yet up to stuff with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► iPhone and stuff like that they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► continue you know that their opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► won't change and the sneaky thing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► people do is like they'll switch over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► Windows 7 is I was always in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► Windows 7 or Windows CE sucked but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► know they were Windows series like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► facts don't change it and you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► interested in listening to what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► person that has a sigh he's like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► just stuck on this thing they're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► going to get over it and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► they're not giving me any new insight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► into what's happening now they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► telling me about something they picked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► long time ago and you go stalk that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► objective versus fair right and groove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► Rettig recorded that even toddlers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► a keen sense of fairness right as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► could see the other kids got something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► they don't have yeah and fairness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► kind of been co-opted by fox news's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► their slogan fair and balanced but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► in all the news the big complaint about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► all the news media is they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► chastised or shamed into the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► fairness of just being well you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► have a pro and a con guy for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► single thing and people have said that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► stupid the news should be more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► referee and sometimes you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► have the ante the earth is round guy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► TV right you can have the pro earth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► round guy in TV but that's too boring so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► you need the anti earth you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► Flat Earth guy mm-hmm and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► that's fair because yeah and people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► oh this is this is the disease of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► television a news media they think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► have to show the both sides of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► even when one side is stupid I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► think that's the sickness is not wanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► to show both sides of everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► sickness in in the media this is boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► this is bird now going off the rails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► here but I'll bring it back I promise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► that the sickness in the media is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► having both sides of everything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► being lazy about fact-checking basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► and I think the internet is great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► that whole is the internet fact-checking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► sites you know a fact check that org but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► fact-checking side this whole tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► fact-checking sites right and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► Republican debates or whatever or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► presidential baton stuff like that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► the Nerds are like after the debate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► over go to the fact check sites and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► who was lying who was mistaken about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► something who quoted a statistic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► intentionally misleading and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► have these debates for as you said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► is a nice made to no I did not or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► voted for this no I did not find out who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► find out what the actual facts are it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► said that we have to wait until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► televised debate is over go to a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► and find out what those answers are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► know as a nerd watching this I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► why can't there be automatic real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► researching is to say you know five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► minutes ago when this guy said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► actually he's wrong and it really is X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► or Y or Z right but like that's that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► feel like it's a responsibility of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► good media is to be the fact checkers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► you're not taking sides by checking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► facts you're just bear you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► just verifying statements and the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► has shied away from doing that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► don't think they're see their their sin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► is always wanting to show both sides so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► they can't be accused of bias I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► their their sin is being so afraid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► axé that if the facts all line up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► against one side or the other then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► you know because the Flat Earth guy all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► the facts lined up against him it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► well you are not being fair because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► totally dumped on that Flat Earth guy by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► showing pictures of the Earth from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► moon showing a giant big circle thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► that's not fair you know and those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► groups other thing that a reality seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► to have an Apple bias so bringing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► back around the question the question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► think is does does John Gruber behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► like a partisan that that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► question I would say it is John Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► partisan but I just got through saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► we shouldn't say well they are the are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► are but like are you convinced from John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► Gerber's actions that there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► that could happen that would change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► position is whatever position you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► that these comply we'll start by saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► that I think tell me what I said wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► that was wrong fact-checking wise I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► misinterpreted when he said on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► like what I'm really worried about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► being wrong but he didn't mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► being wrong on his opinion really he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► meant like I mean I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► say we exactly William but I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► impression that the thing that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► bother him the most is getting facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► wrong in a post because he feels that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► his responsibility find out what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► actual facts are don't just think don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► just you know he doesn't do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► speculation about you know like find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► what the actual facts are and put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► anything and don't write something don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► be the guy who write something that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► yeah well you know this company did XY [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► and Z and they never revealed PQ and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► find out that that's not true that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► really actually did do that don't check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► your facts and if you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► facts make it clear that you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► party X says this is true you know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► get the impression that that's what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► means by not being wrong secondarily he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► also means based on the facts that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► gathered he believes this is what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► actually happen he doesn't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► wrong about that either like when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► says if he says the iPads gonna sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► like crazy and the iPad is a humongous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► flop that would bother because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► wrong about the iPad but that's clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► predicting this is gonna have all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► those things so I so I think that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► he says tell me what I wrote that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► wrong he means find me a fact that I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► wrong because if there is a fact like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► that I I will correct it because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► want to have any correct facts on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► site versus someone like Rush Limbaugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► honestly speaking and someone says well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► actually when you said this that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► the case he's not going to take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► correction and apologize for the mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► in the next show he's going to refute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► the corrector in every possible way he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► can you know misleading or you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► denigrating the person who said this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► saying how even though he was wrong it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► doesn't matter because larger point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► still stands and just will not take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► correction at face value so yep blew it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► you're right that's right and then will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► not examine like okay so is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► correction that that does negate my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► point or is it just a minor correction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► he's not intellectually honest about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► that type of thing I think John Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► 100% would be intellectually honest but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► any correction about any fact and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► think he's shown that through his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► actions that if someone corrects him on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► something or he got something wrong he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► says he got it wrong and apologizes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► it it doesn't do it in a snarky kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► but you're still a jerk way he does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► as an apology it like because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► what he's prodding himself on get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► intellectually honest so Sailor crazy no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► partisan is not intellectually honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and intellectually honesty means that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► means that you're not you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► dogma and you know you're not worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► doing everything from a premise you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► taking all input that you can find and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► using it to a formulate your opinion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► always reevaluating and so the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► part like side of being a partisan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► nothing will change your opinion and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► think Gruber has shown that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► the case either because there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► cases where the the facts change and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► opinion changed on things and he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► write about the fact that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► excuse me that now now that the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► have changed I have a different stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► something as simple as I predicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3838">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► something that would happen and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► didn't happen therefore I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► conclusion and see what I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► about the hard thing in Gruber's case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► which he brought up and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► should have hammered on even more is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► people who accused him of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► partisan they believed his premise is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► that Apple is good Apple is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► everything Apple does is great that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► what that's what they they believe his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► premise when they see a he's a fanboy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► they mean he's a partisan who believes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► everything I will done Apple does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► great and will only say things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► well being great and we'll ignore all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► uncomfortable reality of of this premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► is that John Gruber started his writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► and from the position that it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► like Apple had really great stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► he liked that he thought was better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► everything else and it just so happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► that over the next decade Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► humongously successful right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► they everything about them which was up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► sold huge numbers of things and rude new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► industries were critically acclaimed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► know just just you know for two first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► approximation did everything right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► so if you think all your premises that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► Apple does it is great at everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► everything right who is it in the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► industry that was doing things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► than Apple during it just so happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► that the thing you think that is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► his premise is the reality Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► done really well people really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► their products they make a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► they're very successful and you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► it his fault that that was his premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► you'd have a stronger case if his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► premise was that Apple is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► everything they make is great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► they're going to be massively successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► and he made this prediction in 1986 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► they they slowly almost went out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► business and by 1997 he was still saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► Apple is great they're the best company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► in the world everything they make is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► awesome they're not doing anything wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► and you're a bunch of jerks then you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► have a case but if he says that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► really likes Apple stuff he thinks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► the best products in the market and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Apple is fantastically successful and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► doesn't change his position well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► he didn't change his position because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► countered to it and that burned some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► people up to it was they don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► Apple or whatever but that mean it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► be easier I think there would be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► evidence of his intellectual honesty if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► the facts did not align right if things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► didn't if the actual reality didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► support they are right because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► you'd have then you'd have more cases of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► conflict I think there have been cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► of conflict where he's made bad calls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► predicted things incorrectly and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► intellectually honest in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► there's not a lot of them because for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► Apple all the things that you've liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► you make an interesting point and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► is I think and I was talking to John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► about this a daring fireball started I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► think in 2001 or - yeah like in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► time period 2000 to 2002 okay I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► get it confused with hyojung which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► started writer on the same time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► so the ganja think he should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► started in 2001 though with the Kubrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► I would have been a better opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► and maybe maybe people would respect him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► a little bit more today if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► ah if if he had started much later it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► will it would almost be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► easier because as your as you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► at that time Apple was not doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► it's doing today uh it's if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► started it years later if he'd started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► essentially everything that he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► starting with 2007 on it would be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► tougher I think to go back and and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► well he's always said this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► always wouldn't have been a long amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► of time and Apple would have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► successful um you know for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► reason Apple is one of those companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► where liking them there's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► something associated with a person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► likes Apple or likes the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► Apple does I mean you remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► because you were using Mac's way way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► back in the early days and it this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► back in the time and people may you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► I think a lot of our audience is long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► you know it's made up of longtime Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► users I think there's just as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► people who are relatively new new in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► sense of remember the first Mac came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► in 1984 so if you started using Mac's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► 94 you still haven't been using Mac's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► long as they've been around you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► using it not even half as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► they've been around so if you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► yet let's say you started using Macs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► in the late 90s early 2000s you're a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► it from our standpoint you're new you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► still new if you've just got your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► you're like brand-new to there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► you're new here you just showed up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► from that standpoint if you look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► and you look back at people like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► probably you know the very very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► Mack was one of your very first machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► that you like to using and back then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► were as Mac users labeled as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► different but it wasn't a good kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► different it wasn't the thing different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► kind of different it was like oh Mack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► yeah are you like do you do desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► publishing because that's isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► just really reason for it and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► this negative connotation usually except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► among the people who used Mac's and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► it was a very very pot like you'd find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► out somebody was a Mac user it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► the equivalent of finding out that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► grew up like around the block and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► to the same grade school that you went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► to or something I mean it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► finding you know of a friendly face in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► the crowd and it's certainly not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► way and now and I think I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► better for it in general but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► there was that negative connotation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► I think that that negative feeling or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► maybe maybe negative is too strong of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► word but whatever that sentiment was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► 2001-2002 to some degree that writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► about the Mac saying look look what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► Apple's doing they're doing some pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► cool things that was not by any stretch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► of the imagination that was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► certainly not a lot of respect back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► around what Apple was doing that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► it was changing I think it was changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► it's not and the analogy I frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► think of is it's not like going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► saying wait which which football team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► just won the Super Bowl okay that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► team next year I'm gonna like them next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► year it's that's not what I think John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► Gruber was doing I think he he picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► the technology that he liked and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► was the most interesting and it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► to be Apple and Apple happened to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► very well I think the only the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► to test this is what how do you test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► this job well so actually I get I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► to give the other side of it in support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► because there is it there is an opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► side to that I want to explain why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► would like to play do you agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► which side you agree with um it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► I mostly don't think he's a partisan but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► let's do a little what let's get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► that no I wouldn't I want to say let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► let's hear that because I want to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► think people are now all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► very curious to know why but let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► our second sponsor to MailChimp calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► easy email newsletters though I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► how much do you say about them you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► you want to send 12,000 emails a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► for free you can do that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► send 50 emails a month you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► too it's free and it stays for it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► like that forever and they've come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► resources they're free again and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► cover pretty much every topic that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► might want to use if you want to send an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► email newsletter do you think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► simple thing to do maybe you're wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► maybe you should go and find out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► they have a guide that explains some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► the pitfalls like how do you avoid spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► you send somebody newsletter even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► they subscribe to it they half the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► it shows up as spam you can avoid that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► how do you make your email newsletter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► look really good in mail app and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► while what's this one of these on the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► outlook aren't they like it'll look good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► in that to the email security I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► know there was such a thing there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► designing to look really good in mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► on an iPhone on Android they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► guide about that you go to MailChimp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► calm it's right there thanks to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► guys for making a show possible again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► love no all right so you you do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► think that he behaves like a partisan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► well I want to talk about why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► think he is one looks like why is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► why is that sentiment so so prevalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► and is there is there are the things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► support of that and are there places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► where he pretty straight is from things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► so I think he's coming from a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► place where I we getting back to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► you know back in before the Mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► popular maybe even pre imac around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► time of the imac when it was still hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► sell to say that max were and and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► a Mac user not as far back as I was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► from far enough back where he had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► same reaction as I did where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► using these Mac's which are marginal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► computers because like the real computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► users don't use them people make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► but they have qualities that you decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► are so important and that max are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► much better in these aspects than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► other computer that it boggles your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► that people don't see that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► better all right this was definitely my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► experience of using a Mac early on was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► Macintosh came out right and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► would say no I like this and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► say are you looking at the same two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► things that I'm looking at right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► kale can you like that right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► it's not it's not close it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► all there's subtle differences in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► elegance that like jaws and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► because before Windows through colon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► anything right it was just so stark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► you saw this thing and thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► awesome and just amazing and have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► qualities that just pushed all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► people's buttons or didn't it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► push other people's buttons enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► make up for all the other factors they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► were much more important to them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► their priorities were different software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► compatibility trust in IBM you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► price just the other factors that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► considered important and since your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► value system the way you rank these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► things was so different than them it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► difficult to understand why like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► wasn't much they didn't see what you saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► is they they valued it so little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► and because of that and because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► became like this war this Mac PC war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► they would tell you that not only do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► value things in it do I prioritize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► things differently than you do but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► fact considered in isolation the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► that you care about graphical excellence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► and elegance and ease of use you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► actually even wrong on those because das [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► is actually exactly as easy to use as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► the Mac or it's more easy to use in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► Mac and actually the isn't even in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► ones even if I was to stipulate that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► number one most important thing about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► computer was how elegant the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► was or you know or how seamless it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► or how well maintained the illusion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► was being presented of the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► what's inside the computer was even if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► was a Stickley that was the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► concern I still think the PC is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► and that's just you know that was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► example of people going partisan were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► like you know you are wrong in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► possible way that you could be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► rather than the more subtle argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► which is although the Mac is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► friendlier and more and more elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► those aren't the most important things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► to me or to business or to the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► general and therefore the PC is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► win or whatever they wouldn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► that's that's not a strong enough argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► the partisan partisan would say your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► argument is weakened by that so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► should you should profess that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► really believe that the Mac isn't is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► any easier to use than das and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► you would say why right so that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► environment especially to a river and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► were young at the time this was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► a relatively young it bothered us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► this thing that we think is great the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► people's priorities don't match ours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► advantages that our thing has they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► even admit that we're better in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► area and just instead argue the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► subtle point that the priority should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► different right Oh some people argued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► that as well now in in terms of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► I think Gruber still feels that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► devices and things are better in ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► that he thinks are of the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and great examples you know iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► responsiveness though he's harping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► the laggy scrolling the stuff in Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► and stuff like that um and or just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► seamlessness of the experience where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► they've got the store they've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► software that goes there's a full circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► type of experience no you know no third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► parties coming mucking it up no carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► software and they're getting in your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► it's just you know it's one holding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► those those things are very important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► Gruber and other iOS fans and people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► don't value them as much but Gruber's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► position is like I'm not only going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► argue that this is better that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► Apple's products are better in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► areas that I consider important I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► going to try to convince you that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► actually are important right and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► the things I'm going to use to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► convince you that they actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► important is in the case of Apple's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► things this is say look at how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► people want the iPhone look at how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► people want iPads you say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► shouldn't matter and that Android is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► selling more and it shows that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Gruber are not actually that important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Android phones are better than all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► other ways that I can explain to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► this thing this this you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► intangible but the reason they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► have this thing that you consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► important means that Apple stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► better what I see mostly in the fanboy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► complaints and the partisan complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► is this different choice of value system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► between the two parties is not is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► reconciled and what that what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► both using to try to reconcile this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► difference in value system are facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► from the market and I think that's a I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► don't first of all I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► a strong argument to make but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► what they've got the goin it's the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► in the market right for the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► you know the anti side is that like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► that's that's what the PC people used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► against us in the Mac PC Wars it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► well if you if this was really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► important if people really cared about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► seamless GUI experience and elegance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► stuff like that wouldn't the Mac be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► selling better right and what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► use the flip side wanna now is like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► there's Hugh mungus lines for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► iPhone people are super excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► the iPhone in you know and engenders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► this really fierce enthusiasm and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► love it people love their iPhones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► you just had one recently that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► were getting mugged and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► didn't want the Android phones they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► wanted the iPhones right there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► you know and this shows that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► quality that you didn't think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► important actually is really important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► and people go nuts for it and where are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► the lines for the Android phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► pulls both sides into the realm of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► mean I mean how are you supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► decide whose value system is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► they're using the facts the reality as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► they're like as their tie breakers as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► their as their referee to say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► who's right about these values um but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► but if you're just not convinced about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► if you just think that value system is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► not the right one it's gonna look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► this guys constantly harping on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► this thing that's not true and all he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► doing is gathering up all possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► evidence you know facts from the Ark of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► people opinions or ever showing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► he's trying to tell you that his value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► system is correcting you're just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► going to be convinced that his value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► system is correct like because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► two aspects that one is my value system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► is correct therefore and most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► agree with me therefore because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► is better in these in these aspects it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► will be the most successful and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► other one is regardless of whether this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► phone is successful this is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► phone period and even if no one in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► entire world thinks so except for me I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► going to attempt to convince you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► you are all wrong and I'm right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► this being the best phone and those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► get all muddled up too so there's it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► like most debates online it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► clear what people people aren't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► clear what what it is they're debating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► about and the final part that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► really muddles us up is part of a Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► does on his blog and part of what any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► good blog does is entertain this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► same thing with Rush Limbaugh and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► those other things like entertainment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► part of of you know good writing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► know anything and people want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► entertained and entertainment is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► Limbaugh stuff Assange always just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► entertainer as well and so he will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► things that if you were to use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► favorite stuff if he was a Vulcan he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► would not do these things he would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► take the snarky jabs and stuff right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► wouldn't cherry-pick the one line about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► about Android being slow from the giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► review that was mostly favorable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► Android right I think it because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► like that's not that's gets into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► fairness that's because that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► not fair that's taking a cheap shot or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► something so you're saying this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► not fair it's not a fair situation well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► I'm saying that entertainment has value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► and you can't dismiss it like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► can't say oh you can you can never make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► cheap shots like that it's you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► never do that because that's a boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► blog that nobody wants to read you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► and that's that's a standard to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► you can't hold anybody that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► ever do something just because it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► and I you were asking before whether I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► thought it a grouper was a partisan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► not I think he's he's trying very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► to be intellectually honest about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► he does but he has to balance that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► his desire to be entertaining I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► to be entertaining because again if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► you're not if you want to be successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► entertainment value if it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► simple dry analysis that has a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► smaller audience mm-hmm and but but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► just in sort of a mercenary way of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► want people to read it but because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► know that's that's his nature that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► most oranges we like entertaining things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► and we want to be entertaining ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► so he has to balance that with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► desire to do that and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► essential struggle that I see in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► work is that he he wants to strike the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► right balance there but it is it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► his nature to enjoy being snarky to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► enjoy taking the cheap shots uh but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► always conscious of well geez I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► want to overdo this like am I am I going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► too far am I not am I too busy looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► for the little snarky thing then I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► to realize there the facts are changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► and I need to reevaluate in my opinion I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► think he's constantly re-evaluating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► and it's very conscious of them that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► why I think he's not a partisan because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► a partisan is not fretting over whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► intellectually honest what all partisans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► worrying about is how can I make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► that no matter what anyone says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► continue to me to try to convincingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► say that my position is correct but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► thing that I decided you know 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► that's all partisans worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► they're worried about defending their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► reputation and never looking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► they're wrong and that's not what Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► is worried about if my perspective but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► think he does struggle with that balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► like for example the claim chowder thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► where he notes people making bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► predictions that he thinks are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► be very wrong catalogues them and later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► when it turns out that they are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► wrong he comes back and and because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► entertaining it's interesting he enjoys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► doing it a lot of people enjoy reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► it right and and you can't say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► it what does he what role is he doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► they're all he's basically doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► saying here's what somebody says I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► follow that away for claim shouter which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► is what he's saying is I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► person is wrong about this but I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► keep it here and we'll see who is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► in time you know and then when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► facts later on when it either comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► pass or doesn't he puts it up now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► much more entertaining when it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► come to pass but I think if he filed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► something away for claim Schauder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► the person turned out to be a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► percent right I think he would post that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► and say I put this up filed this way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► clam chowder and it turned out this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► was exactly right and I think he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► also in that post talk about what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► they made him think that the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► wasn't right and what and what changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► why was I wrong about this I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► would what he would want to examine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► and he would write something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► I thought X Y & Z but it turned out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► know the fact that happens rarely again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► is sort of the curse of being someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► who likes apples products and thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► they're going to be successful during a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► successful lots of people bought its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► products ah so I think the seed of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► whole fanboy thing into policies thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► there there's a reason for that feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► entertainment value and his own personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► inclination to be snarky against his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► strong desire not to be a partisan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► because I think he doesn't like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► kind of people and doesn't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► one of those people and I don't think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► is but he is a human being and that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► is that is something that he struggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► with striking that balance and and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► I said it's not like your arm struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► against this this uh this evil nature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► have I have to have this bad thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► I want to do and I have to fight against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► it and it's like the perfect solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► would be well completely flat you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► dominate it and never I'll never give in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► to that urge that's not that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► right balance the right balance is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► interesting that's not entertaining so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► that's that's the real tricky part here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► it's not as if you can you know go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► abstinence and say I will never make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► snarky comment I will never make a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► I will never cherry-pick some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► information that have a larger article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► just so I can make us not comment about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► it because that's that's the lowering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► the value of your blog it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► supposed to be about some you know dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► factual accounting and analysis of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► factors and speaking of dry factual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► accounting and analysis sorry for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► intro but Morris they do of a tsimko you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► know I was talking about I you were that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► knew right away you are complicit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► a tsimko whose site I love I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► he also struggles with the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► and perhaps less successfully I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► know I haven't read him enough I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► at ten years reading a Gruber I think or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► more than that how long has it been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► long time long time uh I think I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► better handle on his personality than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► do horses I've just started listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► his podcast and his blog is relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► new his his premise always seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Apple as the company's undervalued by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► disruptive force and the incumbents in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► the mobile industry are here's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► incomes the mobile industry are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► gathers evidence and facts to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► his his premise uh I think he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► look out for the same type of thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► know don't get too married to to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► premise that the incumbents are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► are being disrupted by Apple and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► Apple is undervalued I think the closest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► he came to working this was a post he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► had where he was trying to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► why why is that blunder valued what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► it about Apple that makes people despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► their tremendous success and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► constantly have huge profits why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► their p/e ratio so low and what he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► through in this post was that the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► doesn't value doesn't think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► ability to make hit products is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► quality that a company can have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► just think it's fluke so despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► disrupting new businesses and making hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► product after hit product they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► actually a strategic advantage of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► company you know it's it's - it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► like it's like gambling it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► you know well so well but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► count on them being will do that versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► other things like oh they're very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► at you know manufacturing or they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► distribution chain or some other asset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► of a company that Wall Street feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► they can bank on it's like all they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► you know they own all this copper right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► I was going back to the phone comes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► own all this copper and have this great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► infrastructure and that's a competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► advantage and we believe in that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► they just simply don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► innovation and making great products in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► design is is repeatable every time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► happens it like well they just got lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► with the iPad thing well that iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► thing they just got lucky people happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► just just cannot convince themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► that it's a it's something that's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► rewarding with we believe that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► future they will continue to do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► so that I thought was a great analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► of why it's undervalued but when I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► that article I thought yeah but Horace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► doesn't believe that that kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► subtext of the article was that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► stuff the stock market is wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► actually this is a repeatable quality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► this this will lead to future successes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► is an indicator of future success just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► as much as a lot of things and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► sure he completely made that case uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► he did you know it like when I read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► article I came away with the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► impression like I thought it was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► explanation of why they're undervalued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► and I thought you know what that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► makes sense and I might also undervalue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► Apple because I also believe that it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► that it's not repeatable but that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► a riskier thing to depend on than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► factors that are you know less tied to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► human nature and stuff it's for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► you know it's because the stock market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► doesn't understand what is it that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► couldn't have done it themselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► they don't it's like art it's like art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► we don't understand why this is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► and so we don't feel comfortable betting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► on the fact that they'll do it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► because we don't even know how they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► this time I think there's something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► that and I actually it that article made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► me think that the markets evaluation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Apple is actually more rational than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► had previously thought worse I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► where he was coming from was that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► shows why the market doesn't get Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► undervalued and I think it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► overvalued so we'll see if Apple takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► turn or whatever we'll see if I continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► me to read a horse's stuff if his if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► believe his premise is changing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► I don't know if you get that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► feeling when reading a stuff it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► think it's unfair to give an analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► that because the body of work he has is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► just so much smaller than Gruber's body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► of work so really that the graph isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► long enough for me to to make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► statements on the picture but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► but it's but it's obvious that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► super smart and obviously thinks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► about this and he presents facts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► graphs and figures and if he's wrong on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► them when he has been and got something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5458">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► wrong he's updated it and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► intellectually honest as well it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► struggle that we all have now I did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► final thing here if I wrap up I'll throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► myself into this thing that was so where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► do I fall in this continuum I kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► kind of take the easy way out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► it's a lot easier to tell to say what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► wrong with something than it is to stake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► out a position where you try to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► what's right about something like I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► know to say that it Apple does these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► things very well I think these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► are very valuable I think you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► not that type of thing has never been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► my nature and it is my nature to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► say here's what Apple is doing wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► here's what their message opening is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► what's wrong with this product and to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► great extent is a lot easier to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► you open yourself up to less of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► criticism of being a fanboy you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► get it you can't escape it on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► whatever thing I'm complaining about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► other side especially when I was unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► I'd write a big thing complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► all the stuff that's wrong with early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► versions of Mac OS 10 and people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► say you're just a stupid PC user if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► would ever use the Mac maybe you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► know what's good about you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► type of things they had no idea who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► was so with no foreknowledge they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► assumed I was a PC user and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► first time that ever looked at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► product why do they assume that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► it said bad things about and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► people say bad things about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► products are people who have never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► them right and as people come to know me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► that's balance out a little bit people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► but people will read the stuff I write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► and say I love these articles are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► objective they're you know it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► objective analysis of this type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► and my articles are the farthest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► from objective they say objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► because I say bad things about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► that I obviously like I obviously am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► people now know I'm a Mac user I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► apple guy or whatever and then I say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► sorts of bad things about Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► that's objective because I'm saying bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► things about like my thing about my team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► that's not being objective I'm my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► articles are almost entirely opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► based I try to support my opinions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► argue for them and most of the opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► are about what's wrong because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► just in my nature to that type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► but it's in it doesn't make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► objective it makes people feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► comfortable that I'm not a partisan when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► they see me dumping on the stuff that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► obviously love and it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► reasons I have never written about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► Windows or some other product that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► experience with one is you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► don't have experience with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► wouldn't really know what I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► about the other one is like if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► honest about what I thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► Windows I would just savage it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► that's a less interesting article to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► read because people would be like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► big surprise the Apple guy hates Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► right and and I'm just not I'm not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► interested enough minute to criticize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► right but but I'm very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► Apple stuff and and you know the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► tebow I'm constantly complaining about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► TiVo people assume I hate TiVo I try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► reiterate this every time it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► it's still the best thing out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► there was something better than TiVo I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► would buy it people are more willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► believe I think that I have no loyalty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5638">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► to TiVo that I would switch in a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► there's something better which is 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► true but all of us Big Apple nerds all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► say the same thing like well if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► a phone that's like 10 times better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► iPhone wall switch to it because our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► loyalty is this is the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► awesome Apple is a much longer term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► relationship than it is with TiVo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► some other things so I think all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► are constantly worried like with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► happen would I take too long to notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► that the iOS has gotten crappy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► there's actually a better platform you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► know I think that's why all of us were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► like let's check out webOS let's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► sure that what we say to each other into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► something was better than iPhone we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► would use it well then we owe it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► ourselves to make sure we check out iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and make sure we're not the those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► intellectually honest let's check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► because we don't want to we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► to dismiss it off end and it does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► some things that appeal to us so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► I know Gruber is very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► taking a look at that I think he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► one of those phones right now so am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► like we want to make sure we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► test ourselves okay so you say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► going to you'll like whatever the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► thing is well you know you better make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► sure you look at everything so that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► the second thing that's better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► iPhone comes out you're on it because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► you're late to it people can say see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► resisted for three months or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► you didn't recognize that Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► 7 was better than iOS and you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► those of us who are interested in who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► don't want to be partisans want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► sure that we're on the better thing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► second like the standard is higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► for us because we are such fans of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► particular thing for a long time so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► me I don't come in for a lot of the span [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► boy stuff occasionally I do but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► that's unlike a single article basis so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► something's good and something's bad the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► fanboys come on either side of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► the body of my work when I think back at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► my work what did I become known for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► became known for in the writing of guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► writing articles that explain what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► right like that that in my head that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► how I see it maybe other people see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► as like writing articles that glorify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Mac os10 or being a Mac fanboy but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► really really I see it just like I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► guy who complains about Apple stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► this usually equal or sometimes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► greater amount of saying oh here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► thing that I really love and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► that stands out because I spent the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► of the thing complaining about what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► balanced like the early Mac Ghost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► interviews I was just dumping all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► it because I was an angry classic Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► user and all those other things versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► the lion review where I think I may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► crossed over now because lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► are pissed off about lion for various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► reasons and they'll read my lion review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► and say you weren't hard enough on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► like you dumped on the calendar but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► were you know I like my opinion of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► os10 is starting to become less severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► than the the most severe critics whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► in the beginning my opinion of Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► was probably the most severe of anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► that because they had never seen it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► assumed it was just fine I'm telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► them no it's awful or because they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► know R Apple fanboys real Apple fanboys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► and like like everything that Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► and I know I just complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► calling someone a fanboy and dismissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► everything had to say but in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► context I'm using the aggregate not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► individual person or whatever but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► are people who or again I'll get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► Parsons there there are partisans who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► instinctively will like everything Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► does and they're trying to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► support that premise and they definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► did that with Mac os10 they would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► it's not too slow it's fine maca was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► 10.0 it was too slow you know but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► will you know swear up and down that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► wasn't so I don't know I probably do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► correctly seeing where I stand in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► continuum maybe I do a better job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► looking other people so I'll leave it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► if Gruber or Horace ever want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► about the stop again which I doubt they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► will they can feel free to tell me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► well I've struggled against being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► partisan in my uh on and off again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► writing career of much lower volume than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► a Gruber definitely the only other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► I hadn't hear was that uh that horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► word that I can't say on this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► thing by Topolsky did you see that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► yeah yeah horse horse crap there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► is the euphemism for the actual title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► then yeah I think I covered most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► same basis I might go into the specifics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► on that thing but that pulls in mg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► Siegler and this whole other thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► I don't want to get into this moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► yeah and so we still didn't get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► follow-up show so I will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► leave it off what do we add for total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► now timewise timewise whatever it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► before plus oh so the people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► listening to this the usual way which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► means a podcast they have downloaded it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► to their favorite device or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► playing it over their favorite device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► and they're enjoying this what you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► know is that there was this whole middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► segment where John Syracuse's and House [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► shut down the whole house shut down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► it turns out he was without power and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► had to stop the show and we picked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► back up and for those of you who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► not listening live the real test will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► to see if you can figure out at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► point we actually lost and then resumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► because there was like an hour so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► time where you were just running around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► your house like a chicken with its head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► cut off so when you when John asked how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► what's a total time I actually don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► know I I'm assuming we're over an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► but I only know right now how much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► we've been recording since we restarted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► which is 18 minutes so it's been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► been at least a good I would guess 7080 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► minutes it's a good show I want to throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► one more little thing in yeah throw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► in time for do it is also from the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► show do it uh are you agree we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► what Gruber said was we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► the changes in Twitter and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► Twitter that that seems to be promoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► by the latest version of the Twitter Qui [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► Nhon website is not the Twitter that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► people who joined in 2006 correct came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► like that was about finding a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► place like a water cooler recess where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► you you you're talking to your friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► because you just follow your friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► they follow you and they're overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► sets and there are fringes doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► that you follow every single person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► your friend Falls but you know that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► big big overlap in your little circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► and it's just a place for you to chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► with people in your circle like an IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► channel that's you know that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► have to be in all the time or like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► but but with smaller chunks of messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► we a place to chat during the day that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► the thing that those of us who joined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► way back when I think I joined in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► January 2007 but a lot of people join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► 2006 and a tiny brief history and this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► remember when Gruber joined Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► think it was at South by Southwest or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► some other conference or whatever and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► was like hey check this out it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► was basically the Twitter page showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► people it was the Twitter homepage like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► the public timeline but it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► here's what people are saying it South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► by Southwest or whatever the thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► so this is a time when you could go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6057">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► the Twitter homepage it see the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► timeline and read it because it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► was just a bunch of nerds that you knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► talking about something that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► interested about every everybody that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► was there you knew you knew them or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► knew of them at least and that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► who's on Twitter like so you literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► read every tweet in the front page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► it was and it was relevant to you which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► is yeah so but that and then I and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► was a web page and you know twitter.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► slash you know just this brute web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► and showed a bunch of people talking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► characters whatever I'm like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► hell is this people type stuff and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► goes on a web page and then people look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► at the web page with the stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► said it's like I thought was a stupidest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► thing I've ever seen I mean it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► it's like take IRC or I am and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► way way worse put it on a web page I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► don't go to a stupid web page and see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► bunch of things that people said so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► didn't sign up in 2006 the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► 2007 rolled around I caves I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► was when I started hearing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► Twitter clients because like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6118">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► so now this now it's different I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► a little client app I don't remember in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► the first version of Twitter if it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► out maybe that was maybe that was around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► that time but something got me over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► edge and what I quickly came to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► from actually using it once you join you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► know I made some tweets is that it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► replacement for something that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► it was IRC very early on was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► channel with a bunch of the people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► for all four years that I was in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► 93 to 97 they had it was kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► mailing list you would send an email to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► some address at your at university at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► your university and someone made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► reader it was like the the bulletin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► board thing are the messages thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► someone made a reader application would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► read the mail spool for that visit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► publicly readable mail spool would read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► that mail spool and present the messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► in that mail spool in order and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► had a little dot file in your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► directory that would tell you what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► last one you read was and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► numbered all right so it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► post number one number two number three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► and your little dot file would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► you're on number three so the next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► you read it would start with number four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► number five so you'd be catching up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► this thing so those various names for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► this system and I used to be you be be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► you University bulletin board and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► later on the CSS another thing called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► forum format CS same exact concept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► was basically Twitter I except the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► exception was you didn't choose who to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► follow that the following was implicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► by well if you if you read up you BB if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► you read up it was just you and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► other uppers and it was like 20 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► who did this in the entire university so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► you were a self-selected group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► friends who all followed each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► although you could have skipped things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► that lots of people I wrote as of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► I wrote a a client application and Perl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► that allowed you to have files that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► filtered out certain people if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► didn't want to see posts from certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► people whatever but it was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► Twitter no no no length limit but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► blinks the links were generally short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► and you would just catch up and read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► same way you catch up on Twitter now uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► and I had that in my life you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6236">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► because ninety three was the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6238">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► I really got online like on Ethernet on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► you know the internet I had that in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► life for the entire time and when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► went away and I graduated you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► hit we had simulations of that and IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► channels and other type of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► Twitter was the new version of this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► that's the Twitter the grouper thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► that doesn't have enough broad enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► that's why Twitter is pushing this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► like trending topics or activity view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► and the hashtags and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► then what you said was that Twitter's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► de-emphasizing direct messages and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► not not making Twitter look like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► thing that we all have been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► because it's decided that hashtags are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► the way it can monetize the service now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► what I think of those two opinions is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► that you were much closer to being right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► then then Gruber was because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► that's that's 100% what it is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► that the Twitter that we used in 2006 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► does have humongously broad appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► that's that little circle of friends so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► you just talk to yeah everyone benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► from using Twitter like that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► will love it everyone does that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► has some equivalent to that online uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► and Twitter being used like that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► huge value huge broad value and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► the only reason that Twitter is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► pushing in that direction is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► they could not figure out how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► money on that basically because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► those of us who use Twitter in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► would be pissed if they said okay every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► step you ten tweets we're gonna insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► application blocks that ad we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► remove its API key and also you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► just gets it this whole big thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► just could not figure out how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► money that way and think of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► things that I've used in the past like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► this IRC University bulletin board forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► all the all is different no one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► getting paid for that there was no money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► it was a tiny little piece of university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► infrastructure used for free no one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► making any money no ads no you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► IRC thing we didn't know who cared who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► ran you know freenode net or how the IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► channel was there was no business plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► there twitter is the service that's huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► with billions of people in it someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► got to pay for all that infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► and the only way Twitter apparently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► figured out to get enough money to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► for the infrastructure is with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► hashtag business so that's depressing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► me uh but I I definitely disagree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► the the Twitter that we use doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► broad appeal I just this just they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► could not figure out how to monetize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► I agree with you of course he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► because then means you were right Gerber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► was wrong well it's not so important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► I just I just think it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► telling to me that well it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► surprises me is that more people aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► talking about it in those in those terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► in other words more people aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► identifying what seems to me to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► fairly obvious that people keep saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► don't understand why they're doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► to Twitter why is this that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► icon here I didn't you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► what that is why is this like follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► they need they need to find out the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► and you know one of the responses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► that I wanted to add it follow-up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► another show from the talk show here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► a lot of people wrote in to say hashtags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► on Twitter remind me the way that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► media and TV shows and things use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► very very much reminded people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► writing in of AOL key words I was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► say QR codes but that's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► analogy a what keywords in and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► the in both of those I think are valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► but for the longest time every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► you know you'd see a TV commercial for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► toothbrushes keyword on AOL tea brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► you know I mean it was just the most it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► but that's you know this is back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► day when so many people were using AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► that was how they were you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► back like in the you've got mail days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► you know with people who just that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6472">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► their internet the AOL was the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► to that mail was online that's what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► meant it was AOL and for them the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► word and a company getting and using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► key word that was like that was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► marketing thing for them and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► probably people hopefully hopefully most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► of the people listening to this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► have either never heard of that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► forgotten it because it was a dark time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► for us on the internet but that's how a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► well made money it was that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► made money they would sell the keywords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► you'd have a movie or TV show or product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► and you wanted to get listed there you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► get the key word and that's how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► would like find your stuff on AOL and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► now you know you don't the differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► with Twitter of course I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► now maybe they do a thing where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► pay and make sure that you're the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► result in the keyword if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► doing that they shall bring it on they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► have the trending topics thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► even that's other shady thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► Twitter is like you're not sure how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► their monitor right and that that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► that's exactly my big question is if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► put in let's say I put in a hashtag for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► uh you know I this is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► horrible example but for software now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► the if there's a software company out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► there that might want the results for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► essentially by the software hashtag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► if because all long after the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► implementation and a dot I mean we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► using hashtags before it was technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► something Twitter supported really and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► I believe I mean people were putting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► hashtags in there and before you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► really even do anything but search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► looking for that that string maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► wrong about that the point is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► quickly after that Twitter adopted this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► as the way to categorize your tweets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► people who were talking about a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► would F course add the hashtag and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► would make it easier for them to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► what I'm wondering is now you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► remember when you had trending hashtags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► and things like that there was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► Lady Gaga was doing where was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6598">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► monsters are little monsters hashtag was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► like the number one thing and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► trying to get more people to put tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► up with that hashtag to like make it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► to the top so that it now things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► changed and I'm under the impression it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► may be wrong that like you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► some are those things promoted hashtags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► or they you know it would be like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► you go to Google and you do a search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► you'll see they're promoted promoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► results at the top do you ever click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► those I add the Google ones every once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► in a while they will put one up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► spy you alee end up doing their if I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► checked the first one or two pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► results and not found anything then I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► give the advertising ones a try or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► the results are so awful that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► clearly completely irrelevant and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► adla does look relevant I'll try it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► do occasionally occasionally and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► know with the hashtags it would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► sense for Twitter to be selling these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► those of us who have all along been used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► to thinking of them as being a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► natural audience created kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► crowd-sourced kind of thing to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► maybe they are maybe they're not anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► it and this isn't a big deal but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► a road a little bit of the trust that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► community to know that maybe this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► quite what it seems and and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► certainly not being transparent about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► that I you know there are people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► again this goes back to the earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► topic from a couple months ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► Twitter did start changing the API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► it did start to change the way that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► website functioned these were all things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► that were geared to change the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► people were using Twitter in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► that they think of of Twitter so that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► would it would line up with whatever was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► that that they wanted to do to to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► money for themselves I mean now a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► the people I talked to John Gruber said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► it on the talk show and I'm curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► hear what you used to to access Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► he says oh he never goes to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► now his reason was it's too slow do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► use the website do you go to Twitter com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► never not unless like every other Avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► interesting that you say that I I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► the Twitter website probably more than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► use an app I do have the Twitter app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► the Mac and I use tweet BOTS on on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► iPhone but if you haven't been to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► site in a while it looks more like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► app than it ever has and it's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► same home connect and discover up at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► top of it in the sidebar there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► things about it that are just pushing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► away from using this latest this latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► revision to the website is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► that's making me not use the website any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► more up until this last one I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► abide it but now I can't abide it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► there's is who to follow nonsense in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► sidebar I'm not sure if you've seen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► but you know you can't get rid it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► can't get rid of it to be fair to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► Twitter and to support Gruber's argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► a little but I think you got it slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► wrong and that the Twitter that we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► doesn't have broad appeal but the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► even before I get to that I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► all the stuff they're doing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► hashtags is not because like that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► they that's how they think they can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► money I don't think it's even clear yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► that yes that is the best way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► money or that it will make them the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► money but it's clear that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► direction they want to go and they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► if they think they can make money this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► way not the other way so I don't wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► make a thing like all they do - Texas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► get rich off but I don't I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► they are you I don't think they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► you're right but they're right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► clear they're going like they must they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► had all their means so how can we make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► money let's see learn things and say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► think we can make money this way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► they're going that direction and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► the answer is not clear now but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► other thing is that the way we use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► Twitter and I've seen this before with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► the the Bolton board stops on IRC and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► stuff it's not easy to explain that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► to non nerds and even to nerds like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► I saw Twitter I didn't immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► recognize Twitter as that thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► had been doing for years and years even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► though I knew the value of that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6837">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► thing that online water-cooler I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► recognize Twitter as that thing and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► if you explain this to somebody I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► we've all seen this phenomenon people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► you get someone to join for Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► they don't get it they just like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► understand what is ell people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► typing things how do you know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► going on and what Twitter as a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► from the beginning and now has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► been trying to do is oh their problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► how do we express to people that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► dedicated users who get value from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► but we have to take these new users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► without like calling them up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► phone and at length trying to explain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► them how they can get value out of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► product like lead them into and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► all like you know recommended followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► or who you might be interested in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► what's trending they're trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► come on this stuff here and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► know we can't tell you exactly where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► your little circle of people is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► be especially like if you don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► bunch of online nerd friends like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► you're just you know you just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► online you know nobody else who was who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► was on Twitter you just come online it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► like will either convince all your other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► friends to go on up but then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► friends are like there's no one holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6897">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► your hand saying this is how you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► relatively and I even resisted was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► but we were all kind of there together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► we knew who to follow when I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► follow John Gerber he was already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► I knew John Gruber was I knew I want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► know what I mean we were all kind of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► it together but with new people you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► drop them into this I've seen it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► like my family and you know my wife for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► I think she ought she was on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► University of Bolton Board thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► actually sort of how we met or partly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► so she knows the value of this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► thing but on Twitter like it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► doesn't she's not been able to penetrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► it she uses a different a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► services as something similar but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► because all her friends aren't on it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► she doesn't think it's important for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► all her friends to be on it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► what she does is she just reads my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► timeline because it's like a good proxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► for her and doesn't even have an account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► of Rona just reads my timeline to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► what's going on you know with my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► responding to me right but and and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► parents the same type of thing like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► tried to give them signed up for Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6956">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► and my brother and so they this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► just don't get it so all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► that's what has always been doing is MIT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► we got to find a way to show these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► people what value our product has and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► that I think is part of all this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► that's like a confluence of things well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► the hash tag stuff is we think we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► make money this way with these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► trending topics and advertisers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► putting things in like we don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► we're going to do it quite yet and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► kind of been ad hoc and who knows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► something about this and also we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► this is a good way to want someone lands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► on Twitter to say here's people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► might be interested in here check this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► out you know you know I think Google+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► does a really good job of it where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► will say here's people you might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► put in your circles based on who you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► emailed who's also on you know that type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► of thing yeah Google+ has access to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► when you land in Twitter you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► nothing right wing Atlanta Google+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► presumably you have a gmail account or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► something like that or it has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► better information about so if not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► not nefarious or not entirely nefarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► but it is you know it's them struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► with how to how to be successful with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► their product and they're there doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► what they think is the best way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:04 ◼ ► and to be honest I don't know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► failed to to convince people close to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► in my life of the value of Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► I'm you know I talking right to them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► I I recognize their their difficulty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► of course of course all of us who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► exactly what the value is of Twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► don't like these changes we don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► any help get this crap out of our face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► we know exactly how we want it to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► and I feel bad for you using the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► within now it's moving farther away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► what you want I want it out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► website like the new Twitter this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► new Twitter the new Twitter was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► yeah I've got some weird stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► doesn't get in the way of me using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► the way I want to use it now it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► he's actively thwarting you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► there's my right I'm fine I'm fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► with it so I'm done moving away now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► switch over to the Twitter app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► Twitter African stuff get that yeah I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► been but I'm speaking to raps I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► a Twitter user from the first release on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7076">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► both the on both iOS and the Mac I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► tried all the other clients I in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► bought to be bought when it was on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► and then loved the sales over but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► not over you should go by tweet pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► Tweety official Twitter app like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► many many Twitter clients Tweety on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► Mac now me too sweet deck but I've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► them all always going back to Twitter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► ik and the reason I go back to her epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► is because it has a unified timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► right so you can you can you can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► down and say I've been gone from Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:24 ◼ ► for X hours you can scroll through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7104">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► and it's going to show you everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► from the people you follow and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► going to show your at mentions in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► in chronological order on illogical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► order so you know what's what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► as it happened and you know what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► has that university bulletin board forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► CS and IRC channels there and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► not such shocking why I do that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► and I to completely understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► people like Gruber can't use it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► followers you can't the the replies just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► drown out you're just like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► already I just want to see the people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► actually fall but I don't have them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► follower so I am still under percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7136">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► I read my timeline in order every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► tweet in chronological order and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► shocked at how many Twitter clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► don't support that model because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► to think there are more people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► without so many followers that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► overwhelm or by replies than there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► like Gruber who having a separate reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► pain is just the only way to maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► your sanity all right oh yeah it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► to me but but yeah those are all great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► products and I occasionally poke around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► and fire them up and use them and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► what they're like and I always update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► them to the new versions and check them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► out but I have never left Twitter if ik [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► true to the end yeah all right so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► read let's wrap this thing up if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► want to you can follow John siracusa on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► Twitter he promises he will reply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► every single every single @mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► I do not promise that but doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► promise that and yeah you can follow him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► at Syracuse s IRAC us a there's no Z I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► Dan benjamin on twitter and i will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► I'd mentioned but I will try as hard as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► I can within limits and you can also go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► previous episodes that we have recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► that would be 45 of them stacked up one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► after the other something really good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► do over the Christmas break so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► thinking and if you'd like to send us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► comments or feedback go to 5x5 of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► TV slash contact as always make John's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► day and go and review and rate the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:31 ◼ ► in iTunes very easy thing to do and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7231">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► helps people find out about the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► visit our sponsors mailchimp.com and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► harvest calm / 5x5 the show notes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► available 5x5 dot TV such hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► size 40 slit 46 all the links and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► that we've been talking about will be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► recording a lot of people have asked if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► we're recording a yes we're recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► holidays we don't take breaks well we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7256">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► but just not next week right now we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:01 ◼ ► be here I'll be right here songs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7261">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► power to my house a lot of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► Twitter were outraged that you did what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► John has no ups I do have a UPS but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► UPS is undersized for my Mac Pro so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► basically when power goes out I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► you just hate it it's just long enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► Reedy like shut it down no I put us put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► it to sleep cuz it'll stale for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► time when it's asleep and actually it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► not that bad now I could have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► like five minutes of use out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► whatever but I just put in sleeping but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► the problem is my networking equipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► is not on the UPS that's surprised why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► not oh yeah that's just not exist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► this room right here I've got one two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► three three different UPS is just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► this room and I have the networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► stuffs in the other room I'm under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► provisioned on the UPS is that because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► can't bear just spending so much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► for just gigantic lead acid battery so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► Mike Mike my UPS is undersized for a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► Pro and it's too far away from what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► network stuff is and it you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► already undersized you don't be plugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► more stuff into it and finally I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► even know that like so the FiOS Ont has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► its own UPS in it but I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► the thing at the other end of the files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► connection had power you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► it's like the whole blog neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► went down yes because we're having crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► winds here so I assume reason something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:11 ◼ ► blew down what have they done to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7331">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► it's like what have they done to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► fair sisters day it's us all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► that's about done for this week we'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► John siracusa nosey that's right people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► keep asking about the good for my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► this morning at breakfast it where's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► Goodfellas episode this is this cuz my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► wife and nagging I said I said how what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► do you know about the Goodfellas episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► shaquan well you know I want to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► Jake why haven't you done it I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► you when am I gonna watch it she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► well that's true and I she's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► you've seen it she's like you've seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► when when I started dating her back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► college you know 100 years ago uh she I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► used to watch a thing weekly I just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► a VCR tape I just popped the tape in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► she's like Dan you've seen this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► like 300 times like why don't slow right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► that's I told her I don't have a deck of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► notes to go over I said plus I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► see it at least twice I need to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► the one version that has the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► pop-up video things you know that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► the little trivia things and then I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► to watch it a second time you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► the uncensored version of it which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► need to get a copy up so anyway so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► there's work involved in a lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► but I'm gonna try very hard people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► you know thinking Oh take you on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► gross movie version I don't have one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► don't get any time off I don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► vacation so it's not like I have that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► got family coming in I don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► gonna happen but I really want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► so we'll do it we'll definitely do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► all right well I've got my notes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► ready to go whenever you are you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► need notes I mean you've lived that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7426">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► you're like no I needed notes it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► life nobody I did need notes for it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► your life because it's just too much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► remember and only I can do without notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► is like Empire Strikes Back and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7438">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► work because in the incomparable side I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► didn't even need to rewatch those movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► oh those the only ones I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► do without watch I did rewatch Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► but I didn't renew oh but yeah I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► need that much notes rhenium oh I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► you I want you to know Journal something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► for the next episode what's that I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► the that Star Wars we think yeah you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► that link in the show notes I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:24 ◼ ► that's what you meant you got that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7464">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► played it up I won't talk about it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► it'll ruin it put down the next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► shop people don't like I not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► misled you but there was things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► omitted from my description of that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► that thinking back to it I should not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► have omitted so I game seems pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnOKu50/7479">TS</a>]