Hypercritical

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00:00:04 ◼   ► you're listening to hypercritical a [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► what is wrong in the world of Apple [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► related technologies and businesses [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► nothing so perfect but it cannot be [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► obliterated by my co-host John siracusa [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► I'm Dan benjamin today's december 16 [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► 2011 this is episode number 46 we want [TS]

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00:00:52 ◼   ► I'm here with uh John siracusa who you [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► may have heard of he's a new new writer [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► learning about some some computers and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► learning about software and he's here [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► today to share some experiences relating [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► to those topics welcome and welcome to [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► the Internet thanks Dan how are you [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► today just fine writing some Perl not so [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► much today not today JavaScript today I [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► think ooh [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► movin up mmm lateral lateral at best [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► today is gonna be another follow-up [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► filled episode oh yeah last week I had [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► that big list of fall up and we went [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► through it I thought we got through it [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► all but after the show was over I saw [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► there was one big section I'd missed so [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I will save that for the end but in the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► meantime I have more well I guess I [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► can't read her mail as a follow up I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► know Marco has like dedicated reader [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► mail segment I've always kind of done [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► Rick's not reader mail sorry listener [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► mail listen I've always kind of done [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► listener mail as follow-up because [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► really what they're the people who write [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► in are talking about are things that we [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► talked about on previous episodes and so [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► it is kind of follow up so anyway going [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► to be I have a section of my notes now [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that says reader mail but it's really [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► part of the follow okay so I'll start [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► with Justin blank who writes [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► we're talking about Siri and the any [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► relation to to Sean Blanc I don't know [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► okay talking about Siri and the ability [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► to find abortion clinics in that hole oh [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► that's nice Kalia yeah from we talked [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► about last week and he it says that [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► there's a sort of larger issue beyond [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the silly idea that because it can't [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► find abortion clinics that means that [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► Apple is pro-life or something sort of a [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► I guess it's related but it's he thinks [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► there's more more evidence for this so [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► he says I'll reading from his email does [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► look as if Siri has been written with [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► men as it's assumed users that would [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► explain why Siri is confused by requests [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► for birth control but does not know what [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► to do with I'm horny no but does know [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► what to do with I'm right right I can't [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► find it confused I requested birth [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► control when you say I'm horny it has [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► like clever replies and stuff so before [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► I get into whether I think a Siri was [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► designed with men in mind or whatever I [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► this this is the example he gives and he [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► points to an article called Siri sexism [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► and Silicon Valley which is it the [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► American Prospect I put this link in the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► show notes which people can read if they [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► want [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► the examples that he gives here I my [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► question is first of all why is being [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► horny something that shows that it was [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► written with men in mind I guess calling [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the only mental the only men are horny [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► right obviously that doesn't make any [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► sense to me and the site why is birth [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► controlling something that applies to [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► women to men you know just don't care if [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► they have indiscriminate you know babies [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► everywhere I don't I don't know stoop [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► ESA's of evidence I don't find [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► convincing in fact I think the notion [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► that those show that there's a male [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► slant the things may reveal kind of some [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► gender bias in the the assumptions that [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► underlie you know those things it's [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► possible these differences are all [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► emergent behavior of some kind but but [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► it seems surprising to him and he's a [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► basically the idea that if there's not [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it's not some specific conspiracy theory [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► it's kind of like a [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► in unconscious bias because it's kind of [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► all we just assumed kind of like the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► unconscious bias of saying that it knows [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► how to react to I'm horny [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► right the vets are maybe a response with [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► escort services and they think all women [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► don't frequent escort services or [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► whatever but the that is not a conscious [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► decision in apple's part to be evil or [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► pro-life or whatever it just falls out [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► of how they do things kind of like when [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► we were talking about Pixar where you [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► know we're saying Pixar old movies have [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► male protagonists and tend to have a [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► male point of view and maybe that falls [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► out of the fact that the directors were [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► all males or whatever and it's not like [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► a conscious effort to exclude somebody [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► but it's just something that happens but [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I think and I read this this article The [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► American Prospect I think the entire [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► thing is just even though he wants the [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► position as a as something different [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► than what I was complaining about the [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► really dumb people who think that [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► everything of the computer does means [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that it's like an intelligent being and [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► it's reflecting something I think [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and then this somehow was like all those [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► people obviously are crazy but here look [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► at this this this shows that there [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► really may be some kind of a biased [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► conscious or unconscious baked into [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► there I think it's the same mistake in [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► both cases it is the mistake of assuming [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► that any whole in series understanding [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► is a meaningful omission right I think [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► in reality if you were to draw like a [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► Venn diagram of the whole of human [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► knowledge and overlay on it [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► what Syria understands and knows about [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► the overlap would be miniscule so [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► anytime you find anything that's in the [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► non overlapping region you go aha that [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► shows that you know this must have been [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► a conscious omission or there's some [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► meaning of it and when in reality [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► doesn't this note meaningful there's [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► almost no meaning to the omission [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► because there's so much Siri doesn't [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► know about Siri knows about this tiny [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► sliver of things [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it's basically arbitrary what things [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► fall within obviously things like making [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► appointments or things to do with phones [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► but when it comes to just putting in fun [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► stuff or trying to anticipate what [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► people might possibly say to it and [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► provide a response other than I'm sorry [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► I don't understand if Apple made any [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► mistake it was not an obvious mistake [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► but the decision that Apple made was [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► apparently we're going to put responses [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► in to try to cover some of the things we [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► people we think people will say in jest [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► to the phone like all those you know [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► science fiction [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► questions and other type nerd things [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► that you might be you know you have a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► talking computer what might you say to a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► talking computer based on past pop [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► culture or literary references to [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► talking computers and put in clever [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► replies so then once you start down that [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► path of putting the little clever [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► replies if there are areas you don't [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► cover with little clever replies be well [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► they had a clever reply for this but [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► didn't have a clever replied for that [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► whereas if Siri simply said I'm sorry I [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► don't understand every time you said [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► anything that wasn't like using phone [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► functionality that might have avoided [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► this controversy but I don't I don't [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► think there's any it's very difficult to [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► be able to read any conscious or [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► unconscious bias into any of these [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► things simply because there's just so [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► much it doesn't cover it doesn't cover [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► your to to a good approximation Siri [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► knows about nothing right so anytime you [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► find something that Siri doesn't [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► understand I have a hard time getting my [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► dander up about the fact that it doesn't [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► know this because doesn't know anything [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► and those such a little sliver of the [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► world and I'm not saying this is like a [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► defending Apple like I said it may have [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► been if Apple's goal was to avoid all [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► controversy it would have been smarter [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► to make the thing just say I'm sorry I [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► don't understand that or whatever but I [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► think it overall you know in the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► aggregate it's more positive experience [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► with Siri because they added all these [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► cute little things in there and if the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► price of that is to have people read [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► things into the bits that the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► individuals didn't put in our business [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► they're just a bunch of people working [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► there some guys make it respond to [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► something when when I say I want [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► Hitchhiker's Guide the designer [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► Hitchhiker's Guide nerd yet so obviously [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► it's people are going to put in things [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► from their life experience and maybe [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► it's a bunch of nerds or a bunch of guy [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► nerds I don't even know what the gender [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► makeup of Apple's engineers in the siri [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► team are for all I know it could be all [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► women right but that's but these people [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► don't know either so I don't know I [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► still think it's a non-issue another [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► issue that I continue to talk about so I [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► guess I'm doing to myself here so the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► next one is from John Carroll kavala [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► hyphenated last name sorry if I [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► mispronounced that [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► talked about iBooks last week and the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► like the book page Chrome with the you [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► know that shit looks like it's an actual [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► book with the spine in the middle and [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► all that stuff [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► and I was saying how that was you know [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► pointless and everything anachronistic [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► and but it served a purpose to make [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► people more comfortable with it and drew [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► them in and let them know they could [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► read books and all that little stuff but [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► what I did say it some point during that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► is that anybody who reads books for a [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► longer gets into ebooks and you know [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► decides that that's a medium that [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► they're interested in they really they [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► want to stop reading paper and start [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► reading ebooks or they really start to [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► getting to go they will abandon that [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► Chrome it will stop being meaningful [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► meaningful or interesting to them at all [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► and this person wrote in to tell me that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► he knows some people his mother-in-law [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► and his wife who we think just loved [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► that Chrome and who read a lot of iBooks [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► so yeah it's the it's a comfort factor [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► and it has all the marketing benefits [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► but some people even after they get into [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► this read book after book after book [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► still still get a kick out of that like [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► it doesn't wear off you know that the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the familiarity and comfort provided by [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► that thing looking like a book is an [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► ongoing benefit ah which I didn't you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know I would which it sort of negates my [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► blanket statement that obviously [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► everyone's going to think that's [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► horrible [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you know people won't ah I thought I [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► think this gets back to and I responded [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► this person by email to is I should put [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► this in the shownotes thing I wrote [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► about ebooks a long time ago uh and I [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► was making I was talking about people [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► who said ebooks are bogus because they [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► like real books and is all these tactile [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► and you know sensory advantages of real [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► books and all those other things that [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► are true about that real books have the [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► D books don't and what I said was those [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► people are right those things are [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► benefits and they aren't reproduced by [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► books and the analogy I drew is between [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► people who are really into horses when [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► the automobile came along and there are [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► things there are experiences of owning [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► and riding a horse that aren't [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► duplicated by cars one of the things I [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► listed which I was surprised that people [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► to contest to be on was that the smell [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► of horses if you're a horse person and [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► you love horses you love riding horses [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► smells associated [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► horses have have a have meaning to you [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► personally emotionally and they're part [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► of the experience you know books have [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► the same thing people smell like the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► glue that connects the bindings or the [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► leather if it's a leather round book or [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► whatever that smell experiences is very [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► important then obviously ebooks don't [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► reproduce that they smell like a lead [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► solder years ago I don't know if you can [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► smell lead but but you know and what I [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► said was those people are right there [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► they're not going to get this experience [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► from their horses that you know from the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► cars that they have with the horses but [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► eventually those people will all die and [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► then will will be arriving cars and this [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► is true of people of you know people who [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► are live right now who are accustomed to [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► books and find comfort in that the there [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► they may find comfort in that those fake [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► book graphics for the entirety of their [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► life but I think that the long-term [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► trend is away from physical books just [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► as it was away from horses and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► eventually the people who are really [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► into horses will be in the vast vast [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► minority and Aaron else will drive cars [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► and not not think for a second what [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► they're missing by not riding a horse [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► you know I mean like that's just the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► march of progress I think already that [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► that sort of choosing to choosing to [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► give comfort to those people and aim for [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► them is is not forward-looking it's kind [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► of a mistake would be like designing [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► your car to try to simulate the things [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► that people loved about horses better to [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► just look forward and it's kind of it's [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it's backwards for Apple because in all [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► the regards Apple is so [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► forward-looking you know I drop the [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► obstacle just drop the floppy drive get [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► rid of the the things that are comfort [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► to people who are used to PCs you know [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► only can't install arbitrary software [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► very simple applications all all the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► things that all of us who grew up with [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► with personal computers think are you [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► know that's not you know what things I [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► loved about pcs were configurability and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► ability to use all my legacy hardware [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► and software and all that stuff and an [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► Apple said no we're going forward we're [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► leaving without you we're on this side [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► mostly because it was everyone seems to [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► think that Steve Jobs had big influence [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► and there's a heap he clearly does love [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► physical things and he grew up with [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► vinyl and paper books and stuff [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► that so he was probably also comforted [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► by those little book graphics but it is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► I think it's a mistake and I think if [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► they should be consistent in their ways [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► and I mean I guess Apple those tubas [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► they introduced the the quote-unquote [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► full-screen mode all right [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► it's probably I don't know I keep going [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► back and forth this is it a good idea to [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► have that as a default because it's such [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► a great such great PR it sells iPads it [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► looks good on TV [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► it gets people it does serve an [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► important purpose so I keep going back [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and forth on whether it should be the [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► default or not I guess what I would hope [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► for was that it would be that it would [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► be the default on the display models [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► then you got at home you might be [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► annoyed where's the cool looking book [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► thing I don't know maybe maybe Apple is [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► right on this the book books is a harder [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► call than the calendar thing because I [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► think the calendar thing has already [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► progressed so much that how many people [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► use a paper calendar versus keep their [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► calendar and Outlook or whatever most [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► working people who work with computers [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► all day long have long since accepted [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► the the concept of an electronic [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► calendar the very least for work so [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► making it look like a paper calendar is [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► just wasted whereas most people I don't [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► think have come over to ebooks yet and [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► making it look like a paper book maybe [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► less wasted on them I don't know but it [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► was a good point that there are people [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► who derive a continued and ongoing [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► benefit and enjoyment from from this [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► thing I think it's a real phenomenon I [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► think it's you can't dismiss those [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► people but I think of all those people [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► including us will eventually die and it [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► won't be you know that time marches on [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► oh one last one from Fred sindelle oh [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► the fred sandal email yeah what's up [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► with apple's aversion to ergonomics and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► they have great design always beautiful [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► stuff but i think they could do this and [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► also integrate organ AMEX try the Magic [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► Mouse it's not comfortable I have their [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► Wireless it's fine but it can be much [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► more comfortable there I think we've [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► talked about this on past shows I don't [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► like a lot of apples ergonomics too and [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► always what I ascribe their failure to a [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► devotion to visual design right which [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► takes dominance over organ ah max so [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► when it comes down to this could be more [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► comfortable [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it would be uglier they go with make it [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► make it beautiful right and my big one I [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► complain about a while back was the half [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► size arrow keys obviously is someone who [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► uses arrow keys a lot I think [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► programmers use arrow keys a lot more [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► maybe not maybe not their VI users but [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► Mac users anyway use arrows a lot more [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► if you're a Mac programmer and they're [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► half size because if they weren't they [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► would poke out of the perfect rectangle [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► area made for keyboards on laptops so [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► why don't you know it's not it's not as [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► comfortable to use a half size arrow key [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► but in that when a debate comes up hey [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► you know we could we have plenty of room [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► on this laptop to you know to push down [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the arrow keys and have a regular [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► full-size keys like in a little inverted [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► tea and lots of PC laptops do that but [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► those those people that you know are [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► never winning that not that that's that [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► as a minor organ Amma Kish ooh full-size [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► keys are slightly more ergonomic than [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► half size keys but for things from like [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► mice the same type of deal those big [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► chunky mice it's not as clear-cut with [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► mice because people hold mice in [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► different ways if you rest your hand on [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► top of it a flat or mice or even like a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► puck Mouse I know a lot of people who [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► really love the puck Mouse aside from [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► the alignment issues of figuring out [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► which way was up they liked the fact [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► that it was low profile and if you if [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► you use the mouse like that a low Mouse [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► is good for you but if you grip it from [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the sides you want something that fills [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► your hands so your hands aren't like [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► kind of poised above it right you know [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► you want something to rest your palm on [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► so like Logitech and Microsoft make [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► larger mice like that I don't think that [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the case with the mice is as clear-cut [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► as people make it out to be but there [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► are people who want a higher Mouse a [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► bigger Mouse that fills their [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► adult-sized hand and Apple doesn't make [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► one of those I think apples big eyes are [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► going to mix in with the magic Mouse's [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► that you have to not have finger [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► touching the left button when you press [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► the right button right so you've got to [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► do this little dance almost like into an [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► insect or a crab would move if animating [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► dance you have to do this weird lift one [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► finger touch other yeah and some people [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► do that automatically and say well [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► what's the problem I don't you know they [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► won't even you'll you'll tell them about [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► this enabled and have never been aware [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► of that problem because they do that no [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► matter what but if you don't do that you [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► will quickly find that it's registering [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► a left click when you really meant a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► right click and if there were actual [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► separate buttons and what would be the [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► big deal with separate buttons like [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► most modern mice is not like you need a [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► bunch of cut lines need one little thin [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► line between the two halves and the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► plastic flexes enough a lot of you know [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► modern mice have that they just have one [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it's still one piece of plastic for the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► top of the mouse is just to cut down the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► middle and it you know it bends down the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► right and left doesn't matter you're [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► talking a left side but you're pressing [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► two separate switches but no they don't [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► want that cut line so and they want I [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► guess they also want to look like a [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► single button Mouse and I think that's [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► still how it defaults yes it definitely [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► does default to a working like a single [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► mouse button until you manually go in [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► and change yeah I think putting in that [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► cut line would be a big upgrade and it [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► also wouldn't confuse people because if [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► someone doesn't know it about the double [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► buttons they still can't hit the wrong [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► button the fact they're two maybe that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► will give them pause but I don't think [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► they'd even notice that there were two [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► buttons if you make the cut line very [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► subtle on me on the mouse so are there [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► organized things that Apple does we [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► talked about the slippery little pill [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► iPod stuff where it looks very nice but [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► if it's something that's meant to be [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► held in your hand probably making it [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► slippery as a bad idea especially if [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► it's breakable but it's the ground [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► they've gone back and forth on that the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the edges on on laptops Marco's had some [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► good macro photography on his website [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► showing that Apple has actually made the [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► edge of its unibody aluminum MacBook [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► slightly less sharp but still pretty [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► darn sharp and for people who rest their [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► wrists which you should not do by the [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► way it's ergonomically speaking it's not [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► a good idea to rest your wrists on [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► anything while typing because it [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► compresses everything in there and [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► really you're they should be up in your [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► hands to be anyway if you don't have any [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► problems with RSI and you rest your [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► wrist or yours in between typing you [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► like to rest your wrist or the sharp [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► edge there it dulled down a little bit [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► or not that's not the best organ Amma [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► Klee speaking but it looks really nice [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► right when you especially when you close [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► it up that line is really nice and it [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► looks like a nice machine you know so [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it's not rounded over because rounded [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► over look less elegant in many many [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► areas of the handles the handles on the [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► g5 and Powermat case they look nice but [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► if there's you're supposed to use them [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► in your hands to pick a 50-pound machine [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► those handles are not comfortable [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► they're not aligned right there they're [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► metal that digs into your hands and it's [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► not just to the record it's not like [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Apple doesn't know [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► how to do this if you look at the older [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► g4 is the blue you know that you [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► remember your old blue and white g3 that [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► you had how great that thing was to to [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► grab hold of and move around it was a [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► little bit better and a lot day the best [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► ones worthy I think it was the [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► quicksilver's where they had a it was [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► thick completely clear handles they were [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► curved on the bottom as well as the top [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► they because the the g4 and g3 handles [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► were solid on the top but had like kind [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► of a scaffolding framework behind them [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► so that wasn't wasn't a solid back [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► surface with the Quicksilver solid there [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► we yeah so they had they had done it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► better but I think but you know when it [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that's because in that particular case [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► that was not a tension between design [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► and ergonomics visual design and [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► ergonomics and this this is kind of what [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► gets me with a lot of Steve Jobs always [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► talking about design is how it works [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's not what it looks like and stuff he [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► obviously had a weak spot when it came [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► to that because economic society parking [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► on a wall it's really how how it works [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► not what it looks like they also [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► everyone also wants it to look really [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► awesome and in particular cases when [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► there's a conflict between looking [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► awesome and being the best organ amelie [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► Apple under the second reign of Steve [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► Jobs chose to make things look better a [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► lot of the time sometimes I think very [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► foolishly but they will be interesting [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► to see if that changes now the jobs is [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► gone if we see some some decisions were [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► something that doesn't look as nice as [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► it could but it's ergonomically better I [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► think I did that whole show about things [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► looking good as they wear out right so [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► that was actually in the jobs bio where [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► I think someone brought that up you know [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► the stainless steel back of an iPod I [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► think this was pre iPhone and how you [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► know it looks awesome in photos when you [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► buy but as soon as you touch it [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► fingerprints go on it gets scratched if [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► you know almost instantly if you put it [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► near anything and then eventually is all [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► scratched up and what Steve Jobs said [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► was I actually kind of really like the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► look of scratched up shiny stainless [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► steel maybe he does or he could just be [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► rationalizing I don't know does he like [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► the look of fingerprint [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► on stainless-steel maybe like that do it [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► is it you know it's people have [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► different tastes is true but we all just [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► generally like the the reason I think [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► that Apple Apple products are not [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► designed to look good as they where is [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► that all apples product photography and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► all their commercials the devices are [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► basically untouched by human hands [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► they're like pristine perfect they might [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► that people always think they're 3d [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► renders they look so awesome that's a [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► testament to the people who product [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► photography for Apple but realistically [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► speaking no device every touch by human [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► will look like the ones in Apple's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► product photos practically you know a [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► photographed in a vacuum chamber all [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► right you know at Intel cleanroom right [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► if and if they really thought their [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► products looked awesome as they wore out [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► as Steve Jobs seemed to they were I [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► would imagine there would be some sort [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► of like advertisement showing your [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► emotional connection to the iPod you've [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► had for a long time that's another thing [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► Apple doesn't want you to have your [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► iPods for a long time they want you to [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► buy a new one but you know kind of like [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► car commercials will occasionally show [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► the guy who's got the Honda with a [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► million miles in it it's like a 1982 [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► Honda right and it's not it's not beat [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► up but it doesn't look like a new car [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► and they'll do like the magazine ad or [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► whatever showing the guy standing or [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► standing up to his old VW saying you [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► know I've had this for 300 thousand [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► miles and yeah I look at it and it's it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► you know it's not it it's always looks [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► good but it looks like a car that's been [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► used and they're saying this is a [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► beautiful thing our machines are so [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► durable and tough and you can have them [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► and as they age they they look nice as [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► they as they wear this is not so much an [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► ergonomic issue as a reliability issue [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► that's another place where I brought up [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► is another place where there's a tension [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► between looking good when you take it [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► out of the box and something that will [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► continue to look good later and when it [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► comes down to a choice Apple seems to [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► pick well we know this is the back of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► this thing is going to be filled with [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► fingerprints and scratched up and [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► everything but man it looks great when [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it's new so that's our choice instead of [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► picking material that is both [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► economically better like won't slip out [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► of your hand and will look better six [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► months into use with all their devices [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that handheld desktop everything if [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► anything I was is more room on the [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► desktop to make something that looks [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► like a piece of sculpture because you're [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► not carrying it around you're not [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► manipulating it so that can look awesome [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► for a longer period of time [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► you know and then speaking of the [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► Isaacson bio there was a story this week [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► that Oh Susan fortune fortune magazine [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► at CNN I don't even know the business [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► relationship with these entities anymore [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► link in the show notes that the jobs [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► biography could expand Isaacson saying [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that he he might expand the book someone [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► possibility is doing an extensively [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► annotated version I think that would [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► have a lot of value because although he [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► does have the big like bibliography in [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the back of sources and when he [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► interviewed Hugh and stuff who we [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► interviewed when it's not easy to map [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► individual quotes and stuff back to [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► things and one of the many many [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► complaints that I and other people not [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► about the books it's not always easy to [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► tell when someone is speaking when [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► someone's being quoted what is this from [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► is that someone speaking now was that [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► someone speaking in the 80s you know you [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► can't tell when the interview that that [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► gave this information took place and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► whether it was performed by the author [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► or not whether he's just you know [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► retelling something from another source [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► so an annotated version I think what [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► would up it would do wonders to help [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► resolve some of those mysteries right [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► yeah and if a lot of people talk about [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► well you know so we did a bad job with [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► the bio whatever but I guess people can [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► use it as reference material and maybe [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► he'll release his material this would be [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► like partially along the road to you [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► know releasing all of his notes and all [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► of his interviews if he taped them if he [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► transcribed as interviews I don't know [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► what his research looks like and if [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► there is this big font of a source [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► material that he could release one early [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► the book the book just wrote itself John [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► yeah register itself that's yeah it's [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► like I didn't have to do anything the [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► babies you just wrote itself [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► yeah and so that's one possibility and [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► another is writing an addendum that [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► addresses the period surrounding jobs [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► death but which jobs is death they did [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► jobs in this fortune Oracle Jo BS ' you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► don't like that no I don't like that [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► isn't that perfectly valid that was just [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► a stylistic decision I don't I don't [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► think so I mean it different style [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► guides have different different rules [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► for that and a lot of people like to do [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that the big one is Jesus right [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► a lot of people like to do Jesus with [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► the apostrophe after the S to say [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► something that belongs to Jesus and one [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► of one of the rules I've seen where like [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► it's like people bargaining like well if [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► you're talking about somebody from 2000 [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► years ago you're allowed to do it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► because tradition that's how it's always [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► been written but really everything [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► should be a positivist I am big on Jay [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► OBS apostrophe s any name that ends in S [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► I always do that but apparently not [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► cnn.com or fortune or whatever this [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► articles from Sol 20 oh yeah expanding [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► the period when his death because [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► obviously he died the book was supposed [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► to be finished around June and he wasn't [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► he wasn't dead yet then so something had [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► to be added to say that to indicate that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► eventually he died but there's more [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► there's more information now that you [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► could add I would imagine this is what I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► imagine if Isaacson expanded it to [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► include more information on his death he [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► would just like pull quotes from the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► that article in the New York Times from [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► from Mona Simpson like II wouldn't say [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► wouldn't do any research himself he just [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► looked what everyone else wrote like you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► know the book would have to continue to [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► write itself yeah he wouldn't he [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► wouldn't actually want to bless that up [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► but I don't even I I think there's uh [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► and this gets back to him being [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► interested in the human the human [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► interest aspects of his life like all [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► you need to know how he died about us [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that's like personal stuff that is not [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► does that illuminate his life more or [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► tell us more about what he did that was [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► important you know I don't not not that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► I say oh you you complain that he didn't [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► do and I didn't have enough content and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► now you're complaining when he wants to [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► expand it I guess it's fine but of all [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the things that he would what I'm [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► getting as people say well is this going [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► to make you happy when he goes back and [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► does this annotated version I think [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► would be useful for for future people [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► and because if he doesn't release all [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► his source material this is a better way [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► for people to get a handle on what he [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► actually did and where he got his [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► information so they can better do more [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► scholarly books down the line but if I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► want him to go back and flesh stuff out [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► it wouldn't be the part about when he [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► dies that's not I you know that's not [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the most lacking part of the book of [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► anything he dwelled on the whole cancer [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► and death thing [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it out of proportion with the other [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► portions of his life that I thought were [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► just as or more important or certainly [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► longer you know because he was dying for [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► how many years and he was you know he [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► had he was known to have cancer for how [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► many years and how many years before [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that he didn't so it seems a little bit [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► out of proportion so we'll see what [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► comes with that I don't know if I will [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► rebuy the book in a perfect world my [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► Amazon Kindle copy would be Auto updated [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► but Amazon has no clue how to update [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► their ebooks I think they'd send you an [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► email and you have to reply in an email [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► with the word yes and it was something [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► that's like going back to the 90s like [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► month and then you have to redownload it [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► and you lose all your notes and do that [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► yeah that's a mess [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► next one this is this is a link it's [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► also follow up because it's a topic [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► we've talked about a lot this is from [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► guy English who has a website slash blog [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► called [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► I can look at the name so I don't mess [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► it up kicking bear kicking there [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► yeah I wonder visit about page where he [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► explains but that comes from it's got a [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► bear on it I don't he doesn't look like [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► he's kicking anyway he wrote what I [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► think is the the most interesting and [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► best guest so far it doesn't mean I [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► think it's accurate but it's the most [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► interesting to me because I haven't seen [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► other people dog that up of what an [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► Apple television set would be like he [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► said it's called how I'd build an Apple [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► television set did you read this one I [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► did so here's here's what I thought with [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► really we've been talking about does [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► Apple make a television set itself did [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► they just make the box do they make both [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► if you may you know if you make the set [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► how do you upgrade the thing in it are [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► they separate but then it would be too [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► many wires you know but Apple want to [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► make the TV set because is this more [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► expensive product so the the profit [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► would be large around all these things [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► we talked about in past shows so here's [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► this very interesting idea so you've got [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the television set the the screen and it [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► would just be one wire coming out of [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► that screen which would be the power [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► cable this is a lot like the original 22 [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► inch Apple Cinema Display which just had [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► one wire poking out of the back of my [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► most elemental monitor Apple had made to [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► that point possibly ever [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► and that one wire poking out of the back [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► of it was an ad seaport which which you [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► would plug into the back here computer [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► and that would provide power and the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► video signal and everything so this case [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► there will be one cord coming out of the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► back of this television and it would be [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► a power plug that plugs in your wall I [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► sit so that that satisfies one of [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► Apple's simplistic things and also he I [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► don't think he mentions this but I also [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► assume there's no other places to plug [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► things into this television it is like [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► just you can tune pictures in your head [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► like a perfectly elegant simple probably [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► aluminum backed screen with a power cord [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► and a stand and that's all alright and [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► which you wouldn't just by that though [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► because then you know if it just is a [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► plug how doesn't do anything right right [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it would also come with a little Apple [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► TV box which would look kind of similar [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► to the one now maybe a little bit [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► different but it's a separate box and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► that separate box would not connect to [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the television with a wire so the [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► separate box obviously had to have a [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► power plug but it would communicate with [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► the television set wirelessly I think he [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► says did he say Bluetooth or maybe Wi-Fi [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► no I think he says Wi-Fi some wire some [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► standard wireless technology that has [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► sufficient bandwidth for high-definition [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► video and and Wi-Fi qualifies and they [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► would probably you'd probably have it [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► somewhere in the same room as a TV or if [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► not near it or whatever now here's where [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► I think it gets interesting well one one [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► place it gets interesting is how he [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► envisions the little box getting onto [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► your Wi-Fi network and he brought this [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► up because of some things he was reading [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► about Bluetooth 4.0 and the chip is [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► apparently in the iPhone 4s but the [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► support is in the OS yet so apples [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► getting hardware and software vendors [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► ready for a Bluetooth 4.0 which I'm [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► assuming in a future iOS update will be [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► enabled with my iPhone for us and one of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► the one of the things that was talked [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► about in these articles but about that [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► is the the idea that a device a new [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► Apple device that you bring into your [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► home and turn on and it wants to get on [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► your Wi-Fi network instead of you having [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► to say like pick your SSID from a pop up [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► menu or type in the name of it and then [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► type in the password for your Wi-Fi [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► network that you'll remember you know [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and that whole process of getting a [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► device on your network I don't know how [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► many times you've done this but like [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► I've done it with my we did you get a [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► deal it's an hassle and it's not it's [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► not a great even for people who know [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► what they're doing getting my Tivo on [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the wireless network it's just always a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► hassle because each device has its own [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► little interface especially if it's a TV [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► device we're using a little remote [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► control that to try to enter your Wi-Fi [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► password and God forbid you change your [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► Wi-Fi Pepperidge forget the book forget [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► to change the password on the TiVo [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► upstairs and realize two weeks later [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► that it hasn't beginning program info [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► you know are doing it on your wii your [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► playstation or anything like that it's [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► just a hassle and that's for us if we [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► know what we're doing we know there was [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► in you know weapon WPA and wpa2 and MAC [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► address valid like we know about this [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► stuff and it's still annoying so people [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► who don't know I just you know that's [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► why I fear sometimes recommending a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► hardware device to somebody like oh yeah [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► you should go get one of these things [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► just envision them taking this thing [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► home and opening it up and being like [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► alright so how do I get to the Internet [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► right do we have it says something about [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► Wi-Fi do I have that and you know they [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► just got whatever you know the cable [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► company came and installed the router [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► and like maybe they don't have anything [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that's wireless or maybe they just have [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► their phones but they always use on 3G [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► you have no idea what's going on in [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► people's houses and it's a big hassle [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and this is exactly something you think [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► Apple would want not to deal with you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► want customers not to deal with so since [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► Apple has all these different things [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► saying well you bring an Apple device [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► into your home and what it would do is [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► look around and interrogate the other [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► Apple devices that are already on your [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► network and ask them what's the Wi-Fi [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► connection info here right what do I do [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► yeah help me out yeah and it can do that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► because you know it's got its got a [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► Bonjour thing where it can a [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► discoverability and you can have you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► know well-known ports & Demons listening [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► on these other devices talk to it and [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► it's tough to be some authentication [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► it's not like you could just bring into [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► a device into your house and say oh I'm [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► automatically on your network haha [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► because that's you know a horrible [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► security hole but what it would do it an [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► example it gives here is that you plug [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► in the Apple TV thing and then say it [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► would find your iPhone and it would pop [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► up a little notification on your iPhone [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► and says hey it looks like this new [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► Apple TV device in the house and it [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► wants on the network should we let it [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► and you just say yes and wherever that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► is it's a that comes up on your Mac on [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► your on your iPod on your iPhone any [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► Apple device that could be found [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► knows the answers to these questions of [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► how to get on my Wi-Fi network on that [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► device it will pop up something that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► says someone's asking together network [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► should I let it yes or no and if you say [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► yes you've given permission to this [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► thing to get on your network uh it will [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► say okay you know it's like the buddy [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► system it's like a buddy system yeah [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► and it would say okay I'll tell this [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► device how to do and it would send the [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► device okay here's here's the SSID [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► here's the password here's the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► encryption you should use you know would [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► just tell the information and this is I [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► think this is a great idea I assume [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► Apple will do it I assume everyone will [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► eventually do it at the camp but Apple [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► is uniquely positioned to do it because [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► a household with the Apple TV device [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► especially at this point is very likely [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► to have an iPhone a Mac and iPad and [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► iPod Touch one of those things somewhere [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► already on the Wi-Fi network that was [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► put on the old-fashioned way right [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► doesn't help the guy who gets Apple TV [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► is their very first Apple device they [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► still have to go through the same you [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► know getting on your Wi-Fi networks or [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► whatever but it's something they can do [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to help and the second thing that I [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► think is really interesting about this [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► that I hadn't heard read anywhere else [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► and I think is a great way to cut [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► through this thing is that the other [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► thing on the back of the Apple TV box [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► are HDMI ports and their inputs not [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► outputs so there's no inputs on the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► television but these inputs on the Apple [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► TV box I think that's a nice division of [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► labor where the screen is just a screen [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► that presumably you wouldn't replace a [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► lot that's like oh the people don't [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► replace their TVs a lot and it's just [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► literally just a screen and not putting [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► stuff on the back of it gets you out of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► the thing we're like oh I bought an HDTV [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► in in 2001 but doesn't have HDMI in the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► back I'm sorry if I got that date wrong [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► every r1 HDMI became common on the back [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► it's got a component video and that's it [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► for a long time there were HD [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► televisions without HDMI because HDMI [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► hadn't been invented and then there's [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► OHP mi 1.4 vs. 1.0 and one can't carry [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► Ethernet over it or one doesn't do HDCP [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► the right way or support the right you [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► know all that stuff all the reasons you [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► might replace the television set are [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► tied to things that are on the back of [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the televisions that are inside the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► television set to become obsolete and [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► that doesn't happen quickly but it does [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► happen so if you just make a screen like [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► a display the only thing that can change [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► that is well there's a new screen [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► technology that's better than this or [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► your thing like burns out of bricks [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► something right so by getting all that [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► stuff off and just having the power plug [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► you're allowed to have the big expensive [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► you know one thousand two thousand [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► dollar screen depending on how big it is [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► for a long time like a television and [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► you put the stuff that might that needs [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► to be replaced HDMI inputs maybe HDMI [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► gets replaced with like you know [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► Thunderbolt or something in the future [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► god knows the the CPU that's in there [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that gets better every year the amount [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► of RAM the OS that it runs you know you [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► will replace your little Apple TV box [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► but you will not replace the television [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► and having the inputs in the back means [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► that you're not signing up for this [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► Apple only lifestyle we're like oh what [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► I need I need this thing to replace all [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► of my content because presumably what [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► you could plug into those HDMI ports are [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► the output from your TiVo the output [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► from your cable box the output from your [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► satellite system right [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► then that would go through the Apple TV [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► an Apple TV be the weight point for it [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► but you could still use your Apple TV [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► that you wouldn't you wouldn't need [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Apple TV to completely replace your [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► viewing experience it would just be a [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► supplement to the same way it is now now [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► it's kind of reverse where you take the [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► Apple TV and you plug it into input [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► number two three or four on the back of [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► your existing TV and all the other stuff [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► we're plugging the other inputs and out [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► saying move all the inputs to the Apple [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► TV get your Apple TV screen and I think [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► that's a nice division of labor in terms [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► of recognizing the fact that Apple won't [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► have enough content on day one to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► replace everyone's entertainment needs [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► immediately right so you have to provide [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► some path forward to the future but it [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► does make the little box kind of a [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► central controlling place for all your [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► other stuff and it also bypass like well [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you know I still like a DVR I want to [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► record stuff Apple's not going to make a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► DVR fine still have your DVR you know [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► you're it's connected to it makes the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► Apple TV central it's not the omnivorous [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► box that I was talking about but it [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► makes the the Apple TV the central [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► device in your entertainment stack [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► simply because everything goes through [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► it you know even if it's psychological [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► right it comes like I'm I use Apple TV I [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► don't watch TV and yeah I can see my [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► cable and my other stuff there but [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► really I'm using Apple TV it's it's the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► main is the hub of my entertainment [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► center and then there's a bit in here [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► about the remote having a little touch [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► control on it to swipe around instead of [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► a bunch of buttons I found that less [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► convincing I think we're all not that I [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► think it's not going to happen or [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► anything I just think that that's only a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► small incremental step over having a [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► four-way button and you're saying you [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► know the Siri thing let's got it just [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► got one little thing on it where you can [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► swipe around it works kind of like a [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► five-way type thing but if you press and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► hold it becomes serine you're talking to [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► a little Mike and we want to talk about [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► that before you know show me the latest [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► episode of whatever thing you're doing [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► and it's easier than going through a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► bunch of menus systems so kudos the guy [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► English for providing I think is the [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► best isn't the best completely [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► speculative take on Apple television [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► it's an Isis the thing I've ever heard [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► you say not true about anybody or [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► anything ever no no it's true yeah oh I [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► mean what do you think of that does that [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► sound set is that nice Apple I do the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► Apple keep the idea you've heard it's [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► the best one I've heard this week this [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► week that you're right you're right they [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► do keep coming but I hear the same [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► things oh you know hear the same thing I [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► sell Siri you be able to talk to it and [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► then it's magic and or are they don't [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► have enough content they won't make a TV [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► they will people don't buy it you know [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the arguments keep going around and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► around this is the first concrete [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► proposal that addresses some of those [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► concerns not really the input one but at [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► the very least the whole why would Apple [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► ever make a television set and how is [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► that even feasible all right so how are [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► you doing today Jon I'm okay okay maybe [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► we ought to take a quick sponsor break [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► give a chance to capture good idea I'll [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► take a dream only been talking for 40 [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► minutes straight all right all right you [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► know I didn't want to hear on a roll [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► first sponsors harvest that was just [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► using it today I use these guys like [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► crazy this is great I love this service [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► it's harvest it's painless time tracking [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► and invoicing companies like like I was [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► like 5x5 we use it happy cog uses it [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► sure you've heard of Volkswagen they use [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► it lots of companies and what is it it's [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► a painless way to track time and keep [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► track of your project budgets [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► you send your clients a professional [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► invoices you can get at em via email you [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► can do these the PDF things are to just [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► get give them access on the web they can [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► see it it'll lets you accept online [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► credit card and check payments and more [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► and they have a free companion iPhone [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► app they've got an Android app for you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► john siracusa they have built-in [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► functions that lets you track time and [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► expenses on the go so john syracuse it [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► goes out to WWDC he goes he sits down to [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► eat his whopper and he realizes this is [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► to count against my per diem but I'll [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► never remember the receipt so what does [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► he do [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► pulls out his iPhone or isn't access to [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► whatever it is he takes a picture of [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► their seat uploads it right in the app [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► this integrates with all your favorite [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► does small business apps like Google [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► Apps Basecamp here's what you do you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► tried for free for 30 days you don't [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► give them your credit card you don't [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► sign up for anything long-term you just [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► go to get harvest comm slash 5x5 this is [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► a 30-day free trial you use the whole [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► use the app the way you want to use it [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► and after the trial period comes to an [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► end and you say I can't live without [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► this you enter in this this code and the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► code will be I in the show notes and the [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► code is five by five TV you get 50% off [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► your first month you get to do this [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► though by January 31st 2012 so you got [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► it got more than a month come on [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► anyway get harvest calm / 5x5 thanks [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► very much [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► to them for making this show possible [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you can use that app aren't you happy [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► cog to Volkswagen that is a span of [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► client expensive I think 5 by 5's dead [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► center right in the middle there no [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► you're you're very close to the happy [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► cog again not the Volkswagen no not the [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► Volkswagen AG whatever the initials are [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► after that holding company that owns [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► vowed outing Lamborghini and pony I need [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► a holding company yeah anyway harvest [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► love those guys oh and we also want to [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► mention that our our show notes which [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► Jon circus has been referring to [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► repeatedly are brought to you in part by [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► uh the lovely ladies at help spot calm [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► the best helpdesk software in the world [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► what's next you get more I do we done [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► shows no no no I've got more now I'm [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► fearing that I'm not also not gonna get [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the thing that I left that well we'll [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► get to the thing the thing things see [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► how long we'll see how long the section [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► we get to it so one of the advantages I [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► always complain about having a Friday [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► slot even though you know it is the big [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► slot be honest well realistically [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► speaking it doesn't matter because I all [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► everyone else gets to go before me well [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► it depends on what your frame of [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► reference is just because you [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► arbitrarily decide the week begins on [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► Sunday but in reality the business week [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► does kind of begin there and think there [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► is a weekly cycle to news and events so [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► sometimes I get annoyed that other [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► people get first crack at the topics [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► that I'm interested in on other shows [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► that I listen to I called man I wanted [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► to talk about that now he's going to say [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► everything I wanted to say and I'm going [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► to be demotivated but the advantage is [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► that they can say things that give me [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► ideas for stuff talked about on my show [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► so that happened this week when I was [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► listening to the talk show where John [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► was talking about his appearance on the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► verge right and one of the topics that [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► was brought up by Joshua Topolsky and [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that you guys talked about on the show [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► was the angle the Joshua seems to have [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► when interviewing John Gruber on the [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► verge was about fanboy ISM and bias was [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► one one aspect of it anyway [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► and as an aspect that you guys talked [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► about and it's something I want to talk [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► about in relation to John for a while [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► but didn't want to like bring it up out [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► of blue because it would seem like it [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► would seem like I was doing with Josh we [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► was doing which was like of all the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► things talked about uses but you want to [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► concentrate on this is the most [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► interesting thing about John Gruber you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► wanna you want to talk about bias and [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► stuff like that but since he already did [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► it you guys already talked about it now [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► I can I can frame it as follow up on a a [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► section that I heard you talk about Edie [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► River River Gruber started by saying [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► that like it doesn't like the term [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► fanboy visits it's dismissive and it's [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► right it's it's it's something you keep [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► there's no rebuttal for that it sort of [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► is dismissive of also if if somebody who [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► is an Apple is writing something is [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► known to write things that tend to be [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► more positive about [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► Apple stuff regardless of the reason [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► whether it's true or not if you label [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that person or what that person does a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► fanboy that's it's very dismissive this [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► is his argument and I do agree with it [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► is that it's very dismissive of pretty [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► much anything the person does you say oh [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► well he's he's just an Apple fanboy so [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► it's like saying well we can disregard [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► what he says because he's deluded and [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► you can throw the whole argument away [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► even if it's a hundred percent true and [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► perfectly valid and supported doesn't [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► matter [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► he's a fanboy that's what John was [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► complaining but I think and I hope I'm [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► repeating and basically anything like [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► this like the word fanboy or whatever [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► once you're once you're saying what [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► somebody is you're not talking about [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► what they do right you're not you're not [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► addressing their actions or their [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► statements you're saying regardless of [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► their actions or statements they are [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► this thing it's it's a state of being [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► right that negates all their actions so [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► it's like oh it's not even worth talking [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► about their actions because he is this [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► thing yeah and this thing inherently [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► is not worth you know listening to and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► that's that's just completely unfair [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► cause it out the window and facili right [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► but what most people are trying to say [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► by saying someone is a fanboy is they're [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► saying the things that they do make me [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► think that they are this this bad thing [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► that is fanboys it that it only thinks [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► good things why not I don't know I don't [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► never liked the word fanboy because it's [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► kind of silly the word I always come to [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► when I think about evaluating what [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► somebody says I don't want to really [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► don't want to get into politics I'm [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► going to try very hard to avoid politics [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► in the discussion so we'll just talk [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► about tech blogs I've been reading [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► somebody everything somebody tech tech [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► blog to see if I can see where they're [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► coming from [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► or whether I think what what is [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► motivated what they're saying or what [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► kind of things can I expect this person [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► to say so on and so forth and my [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► favorite favorite word about this is [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► partisan which again might remind you of [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► politics it does is that not just a [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► purely political word I looked up the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► definition hoping the definition would [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► reinforce my impression of the word [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► partisan but it's definition is kind of [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► is vague you know uh let me actually [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► so the app little apple dictionary is [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► just I mean if partisan means what you [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► think it means when you say something is [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► partisan it's prejudiced in favor of a [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► particular cause well that's a very big [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► you know definitional matter or the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► number one definition is a noun is a [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► strong support of a party cause or [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► person party is thrown in there again [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► because of the political connection I'm [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► assuming that's what they mean [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► right I also like the definition number [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► two a member of an armed group formed to [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► fight serially against an occupying [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► force in particular one operating in [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► enemy occupied Yugoslavia Italy and [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► parts of Europe More war - that's not [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► what I mean but I I think of partisan I [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► use that word because in politics there [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► are many partisans and I heard this I [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► wish I could remember this many many [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► years ago her this big philosophical [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► debate about different people's [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► positions and talking heads on [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► television as he relates to politics and [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the distinction was always about whether [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► someone's a partisan or not and that [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► would color how you might view what they [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► what they say right and here's here's my [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► definition of a partisan attack and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► politics or anything like that it's [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► somebody on a particular topic who [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► starts from a premise of whatever that [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► premise may be the premises chocolate [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► cake is good and then what they do is [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► gather all evidence and report all facts [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► in support of this premise but minimize [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► or ignore facts that are countered to it [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► people they're allergic to chocolate or [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► whatever I'm trying to pick a cell [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► examples of people don't go nuts pen [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► right in politics I think we can all [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► recognize a partisan like when you see [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► how I'm doing it hariom when you see [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► someone on television I was a talking [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► head and you know before they open the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► mouth what they're going to say what [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► they're going to say is they're in favor [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► of X and they're against Y and there's [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► nothing this person is going to say ever [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► that will it be counter to that are you [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► know someone on television talk radio [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► host some people you like I can help but [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I got it I'm sorry guys got to do it [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Rush Limbaugh all right there's someone [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► on talk radio right-wing talk radio Rush [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► Limbaugh's thing his shtick his premise [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► is his whole thing is based on the idea [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that he's right [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► and and that other people are wrong [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► about you know I'm not gonna go into [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► individual issues right so even if it [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► when he says you know I was wrong on [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► this he's always going to frame it in a [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► way that him admitting him being wrong [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► is him being magnanimous and showing you [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► know like everything is about how right [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► there and you know what they're going to [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► say you know you know they're going to [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► be in favor of something about some [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► particular thing it against something [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► else and it's just never going to change [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► you're not going to turn around and the [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► next day they're going to come you know [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► what that thing I've been against for [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► years and years actually I changed my [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► mind it's not going to happen they are a [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► partisan they have they have they have a [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► premise and their job is every fiber of [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► their being is to support that premise [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► to do everything they can if they get [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► called on something and they do [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► something is against that premise they [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► will just construct their life their [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► show their personality that everything [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► around the idea that there's nothing [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► that can happen nothing anyone can say [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► nothing nothing no event no fact no [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► anything that can dissuade them from [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► that premise and their job is to argue [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► forcefully [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► for that premise and that that's that's [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the most extreme case of a partisan and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► partisans tend not to be that [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► interesting because if you know what [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► they're going to say before they say it [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► and there you see these people and news [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► programs all the time like you know this [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► guy's going to come out you know the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► ACLU guy you know he's going to be I'm [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► trying to flip it around people here you [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► know he's going to be in favor of you [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► know against anything that stops [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► anyone's freedom or the libertarian guy [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► or whatever you know what position [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► they're going to knock out the ACLU guys [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► got not going to go you know what I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► think you're right in this particular [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► case in a specific instance the good of [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the many outweighs the good of the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► individual and this is this is a the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► single quoting stock again this is the [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► right there should be compromise [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► slightly in the specific case they're [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► not going to do that no like right so it [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► there is and people you might think I'm [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► going to say well that's that's a [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► dishonorable thing to do to be a [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► partisan is dishonorable because you're [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► not being is the word that you guys [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► talked about you're not being objective [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► you're not you're not if you can't if [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► the facts can't change your opinion then [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► what good you're obviously thinking [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► about this issue all right I think there [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► is value in partisans and it's something [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► what partisans have to say because since [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► their entire life is dedicated to [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► forming the strongest possible [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► even in favor of their premise if you're [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► interested in what are the strongest [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► arguments in favor of this premise [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► parson is probably the guy to go to [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► possess all they do all day is figure [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► out how can I convince people chocolate [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► cake is awesome what what evidence can I [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► gather to that end how can I show people [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► than anyone who says the child cake is [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► not good or wrong right and it doesn't [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that person hasn't particularly balanced [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and you can't take what everything they [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► say at face value but if you're looking [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► for what is the strongest argument in [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► favor of chocolate cake a chocolate cake [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► partisan is a great source for that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► information now getting back to Gruber [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► for a second one of the things he said [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► in the show they says two people who [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► would call him a fanboy and stuff like [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► that is tell mewhere tell me what I [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► wrote that was wrong instead of just you [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► know instead of telling me what I am I'm [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► a fanboy or you know I'm whatever look [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► at my actual actions look at the words I [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► actually wrote and show me which one of [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► the ones that I wrote you think is wrong [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► instead of just talking about Who I am [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► and why that negates everything I will [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► ever say and if we think back to what I [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► just talked about as a partisan you if [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you are like a a good partisan or moron [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► or honorable partisan it's very it's [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► very possible that you will never say [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► anything untrue and still be it still be [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► a partisan like what you've done is [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► gather the strongest most valid [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► arguments supported by actual facts in [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► favor of your position uh and so there's [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► nothing when you do that thing tell me [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► tell me what I wrote that was wrong [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► nobody can find one because there's none [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► everything you said any facts you [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► presented was you're not misrepresenting [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► facts you're not distorting the truth [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► you're not you know you are just simply [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► picking the facts that support your [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► position and providing arguments in [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► support of it so I think although [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► although that's a good way to switch the [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► focus from what am I to talk about what [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► I'm actually doing I don't think that it [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► refutes the premise that you might be a [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► partisan because you just might be the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► best partisan ever or a very good one [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► and you an honest one that doesn't [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► misrepresent the facts but nevertheless [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► ignores facts that are countered your [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► thing and the worst sin of the partisan [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► though is that nothing could ever [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► possibly happen to change your opinion [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► and that's the one that really gets [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► people to like even though everything [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you said was right I just have this [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► feeling that if the facts changed you [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► wouldn't change and you'd still be [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► saying exactly the same thing and people [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► lose interest in that type of thing [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► except for people just want to hear [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► their pains that go back to them and [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► there are a lot of those people but for [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► like the you know I don't know the the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► discerning nur the people listening to [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► this show right I don't know yeah [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► critical thinkers you're much less [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► interested in somebody once you've [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► decided based on what you've seen to [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► this person that there's no fact that [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► will ever change their opinion about [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► everything they've simply they've chose [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► their premise in 1982 and they're going [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► to support till the day they die and [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► they become less interesting you're less [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► interested in what they have to say or [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► after you've heard all the strongest [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► possible are especially if the facts [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► changed drastically and they just keep [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► droning on about you know whatever it's [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► like one example I was thinking of a [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► site I don't know if these people exist [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► but say there's like a Windows Mobile [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► when wind ze enthusiastic Wincy is [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► awesome it is the best mobile operating [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► system it's going to dominate the world [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► my premise is though is that one sees [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► the future and no matter how the facts [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► change you know palm comes along is [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► doing well now wins he's still going to [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► win and then the iPhone comes along and [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► they change to Windows Mobile Windows [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► Mobile is awesome it's going to wipe out [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► the iPhone and then Windows seven comes [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► like when don't you know no matter how [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► small windows mobile market share gets [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► number two how many reviews say Windows [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► Mobile is not yet up to stuff with the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► iPhone and stuff like that they will [TS]