The Incomparable

164: Put In the Zom and Out Comes Com


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00:00:26   the in comfortable number 164 october [TS]

00:00:32   twenty thirty [TS]

00:00:35   welcome back everybody to the in [TS]

00:00:37   comfortable i'm your host Jason smell [TS]

00:00:38   and our topic for this episode is three [TS]

00:00:41   movies that are called collectively the [TS]

00:00:44   Cornetto trilogy that don't actually [TS]

00:00:45   share characters they share some themes [TS]

00:00:48   and most importantly they share actors [TS]

00:00:50   and a director [TS]

00:00:51   it's a shaun of the dead from 2004 hot [TS]

00:00:55   fuzz from 2007 and the World's End from [TS]

00:00:58   this year i just saw a couple weeks ago [TS]

00:01:00   and i found it delightful and the other [TS]

00:01:03   two movies are really great too [TS]

00:01:04   so we're going to talk about all of them [TS]

00:01:06   of course the common threads here are [TS]

00:01:08   edgar wright the director and and just [TS]

00:01:13   did he write all of them with simon pegg [TS]

00:01:15   is that right leave they needed a road [TS]

00:01:17   and and simon pegg and nick frost our [TS]

00:01:19   star and all of them so that's the [TS]

00:01:22   that's the common bond you heard voices [TS]

00:01:24   but spoiler but i'm going to introduce [TS]

00:01:26   our panelists now Dan Moore and of [TS]

00:01:28   course contractually obligated as always [TS]

00:01:30   but damn or and also loves loves loves [TS]

00:01:32   the work of these guys just raised just [TS]

00:01:34   like his favorite TV show ever it is and [TS]

00:01:36   these people also did space they did and [TS]

00:01:38   I prefer the original when i first [TS]

00:01:40   started there in hearing about this the [TS]

00:01:41   original name for the trilogy which is [TS]

00:01:42   the blood and ice cream trilogy sure [TS]

00:01:45   it's just very it's very good it's very [TS]

00:01:47   evocative for the I think there's the [TS]

00:01:48   coordinator flavors trilogy the other [TS]

00:01:50   the three flavours Cornetto three [TS]

00:01:52   flavours Cornetto because it's making [TS]

00:01:53   fun of the keys Lasky blue white red [TS]

00:01:56   trilogy sort of because it's an ice [TS]

00:02:00   cream flavor in there different flavors [TS]

00:02:01   in every movie we can talk about that [TS]

00:02:03   which the yo-yo dieter identify [TS]

00:02:05   st-pierre accidental themes found that [TS]

00:02:08   they are and they're actually cornettos [TS]

00:02:10   at all [TS]

00:02:11   all three films to have that of course [TS]

00:02:12   that's yes you heard serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:02:16   there [TS]

00:02:16   hey Ren welcome back thanks it's been [TS]

00:02:20   too long ago really has i'm glad that [TS]

00:02:22   you're back [TS]

00:02:23   me too we captured your attention and [TS]

00:02:26   big shiny ma I have how can you not have [TS]

00:02:30   an egg is just a dashing fellow I know I [TS]

00:02:33   don't you also heard David lower who is [TS]

00:02:35   who is the in some ways the nude and [TS]

00:02:37   more in because he's also on every [TS]

00:02:38   podcast whoa whoa [TS]

00:02:40   I know [TS]

00:02:41   oh I know yeah we got to keep you can do [TS]

00:02:43   that yet the contractual issues there [TS]

00:02:45   are you are many yeah maybe some xmas [TS]

00:02:48   any problems as long as we don't appear [TS]

00:02:50   in the same room at the same time I [TS]

00:02:52   think we're okay never different the [TS]

00:02:54   same race like the matter/antimatter [TS]

00:02:56   thing and who [TS]

00:02:57   yeah thank goodness skype doesn't count [TS]

00:03:00   as the same room and we have a we have a [TS]

00:03:02   fourth panel of surprise panels he's [TS]

00:03:04   never been on a non-live edition of the [TS]

00:03:07   incomparable before you may remember him [TS]

00:03:09   from our are live on stage aaron sorkin [TS]

00:03:12   episode are live in a Necco a room in [TS]

00:03:15   portland XOXO episode and now he's here [TS]

00:03:19   to talk about the Cornetto trilogy it's [TS]

00:03:21   jeff carlson hi Jeff [TS]

00:03:23   hello thanks for inviting me fascist [TS]

00:03:25   haha fascism ashes whatever you say hag [TS]

00:03:30   the Glen fleischmann recommended you [TS]

00:03:35   highly basically when I mentioned that [TS]

00:03:36   we were doing this he said oh oh oh you [TS]

00:03:38   have to have Jeff on so I guess you're a [TS]

00:03:41   fan of these movies jeff i'm a fan I'm a [TS]

00:03:44   huge fan of hot fuzz up until a few [TS]

00:03:47   weeks ago I had only seen shaun of the [TS]

00:03:48   dead once and I somehow seen the World's [TS]

00:03:52   End three times somehow somehow I [TS]

00:03:56   watching it and waking up in a movie [TS]

00:03:57   theater what what what is happening [TS]

00:03:59   crazy crazy circumstances that were like [TS]

00:04:02   hey there's a there's a screening with [TS]

00:04:05   the with edgar wright and Simon Pegg and [TS]

00:04:07   Nick Frost and someone's offering me [TS]

00:04:10   free tickets if I go this afternoon [TS]

00:04:12   ok so I i saw that and then I saw the [TS]

00:04:14   the whole trilogy on opening day and [TS]

00:04:17   then Glenn wanted to see it so I said [TS]

00:04:20   well go see Dionne with Glenn alright [TS]

00:04:22   well I I figure we'll take these movies [TS]

00:04:24   in turn before we get started I guess we [TS]

00:04:26   should touch on space we mentioned space [TS]

00:04:28   we never did an episode about space but [TS]

00:04:30   spaced is the wood into season four [TS]

00:04:34   season 7 update each debuting in i [TS]

00:04:36   believe 2000 the second series aired [TS]

00:04:41   while I was living in the UK and one of [TS]

00:04:43   my friends there are the times i call [TS]

00:04:45   you have to see this show and I got [TS]

00:04:47   hooked on like the first or second [TS]

00:04:48   episode of the second season went back [TS]

00:04:50   ordered a DVD which for many many years [TS]

00:04:53   all i had was a real [TS]

00:04:55   into copy of both the seasoned rice base [TS]

00:04:57   and in fact that's all I have currently [TS]

00:04:59   because I want the region one copy to [TS]

00:05:01   someone like several years ago and they [TS]

00:05:03   still have it [TS]

00:05:04   so yes and so let me i think i think i [TS]

00:05:07   still have lisa's misers dvds via yeah [TS]

00:05:10   the missing on your radiant the missing [TS]

00:05:12   ingredient from the most of the Cornetto [TS]

00:05:14   trilogy though not all of it is also [TS]

00:05:15   jessica Stephenson now Jessica Hynes who [TS]

00:05:19   has gone on to do some other things but [TS]

00:05:21   she also I believe co-wrote with Simon [TS]

00:05:24   the series but yes and she you know her [TS]

00:05:28   as the leader of the sort of parallel [TS]

00:05:30   universes version of the gang in shaun [TS]

00:05:33   of the dead there are only appearance in [TS]

00:05:34   this in the trilogy [TS]

00:05:35   yes but many of the other characters [TS]

00:05:37   from that showers are actors from that [TS]

00:05:39   show up here in several if not there are [TS]

00:05:41   a couple i think will appear in all of [TS]

00:05:43   the movies besides simon pegg and nick [TS]

00:05:45   frost so would you say that space to [TS]

00:05:47   those of you who i I've seen like five [TS]

00:05:49   episodes of space or something i'm way [TS]

00:05:51   behind on this if they're good it's only [TS]

00:05:54   12 years old man there are given time [TS]

00:05:56   getting through don't want to eat one [TS]

00:05:57   year well I know they're not making [TS]

00:05:58   anymore so I'm gonna take it slow but [TS]

00:06:00   that's true you're pacing your pacing [TS]

00:06:02   would you say three matically they have [TS]

00:06:05   they have things in common you think of [TS]

00:06:07   those based absolutely hmm I mean [TS]

00:06:10   automatically you know you're talking [TS]

00:06:11   about all very similar like there is [TS]

00:06:13   clearly about their love of all these [TS]

00:06:15   different genre fictions you know [TS]

00:06:19   categories of fiction and and no mando [TS]

00:06:22   marshes to them and and watching we [TS]

00:06:24   watched friend and i watched hot fuzz [TS]

00:06:26   earlier tonight with the like overlay of [TS]

00:06:29   like neck like commentary but I had like [TS]

00:06:31   those facts my dream which were [TS]

00:06:34   hilarious i think may have been I don't [TS]

00:06:36   know that they were written by edgar [TS]

00:06:37   wright but times they read like they [TS]

00:06:38   were written by edgar wright but they [TS]

00:06:40   had all the references 20 Marge's from [TS]

00:06:43   all the other films action films he [TS]

00:06:45   alerting you when clich├ęs were [TS]

00:06:47   happening in the movie and they did [TS]

00:06:48   something similar in case you missed the [TS]

00:06:50   education is there something I missed [TS]

00:06:52   honestly I was like oh yeah I don't [TS]

00:06:53   think about that but like that they did [TS]

00:06:55   that for some of the at least the second [TS]

00:06:56   season is based on DVD i think they went [TS]

00:06:58   back in the box and it for the first [TS]

00:06:59   year as well like pulling out every [TS]

00:07:01   single reference and there are many that [TS]

00:07:04   even as a die-hard fan of many genres [TS]

00:07:05   there are many that I did not [TS]

00:07:08   upon first viewing more thoughts about [TS]

00:07:09   space before we move on to the movies I [TS]

00:07:11   i mean it's it's great it's it's seven [TS]

00:07:14   pig but he is a likeable fellow is me [TS]

00:07:16   even when he's playing awful awful [TS]

00:07:18   characters sometimes there's something [TS]

00:07:20   about him that you just wanna I don't [TS]

00:07:22   know I like him he's just using you know [TS]

00:07:25   that's i'm not sure i said the same [TS]

00:07:27   about nick frost gonna lie I love me [TS]

00:07:30   some lovely it depends on the movie in [TS]

00:07:33   this case yeah i mean i'll argue that [TS]

00:07:35   point but that is shaun of the dead i i [TS]

00:07:37   i wanted to punch him in the face [TS]

00:07:40   i'm so over you guys he was very good [TS]

00:07:42   and very effective at portraying a guy I [TS]

00:07:45   wanted to punch in the face when he [TS]

00:07:46   comes here comes around I thought it was [TS]

00:07:48   actually Redemption aspect if you mean [TS]

00:07:50   that he's bitten in turns into a zombie [TS]

00:07:52   and his changeup playing video games at [TS]

00:07:54   the end huh [TS]

00:07:54   spoiler alert wow you didn't even put a [TS]

00:07:57   funny story about that which I told dan [TS]

00:08:00   alright years old [TS]

00:08:01   for some reason i remember the end of [TS]

00:08:04   shaun of the dead I'd only seen it once [TS]

00:08:05   prior to be watching it again tonight [TS]

00:08:08   because i'm not a huge zombie fan but [TS]

00:08:10   I'm let love her rights work i seem to [TS]

00:08:15   remember and i know this is just [TS]

00:08:16   something that I made up in my head but [TS]

00:08:18   nick frost basically taking the shotgun [TS]

00:08:22   and defending the entire the group from [TS]

00:08:25   the horde of zombies and be like get [TS]

00:08:27   into the cellar and then he's just left [TS]

00:08:29   4 dead i don't know where this came from [TS]

00:08:33   I have no idea but it like it's it's [TS]

00:08:35   seared into my memory very clearly so I [TS]

00:08:39   don't know whether I was just [TS]

00:08:40   experiencing alternate universe shaun of [TS]

00:08:42   the dead the first time I saw it or [TS]

00:08:43   completing it with a different zombie [TS]

00:08:45   movie but it's that's that's how I [TS]

00:08:48   remembered it so watching it this time [TS]

00:08:50   through is like i'm nick frost I guess [TS]

00:08:52   you don't really get redeemed in the end [TS]

00:08:54   of this movie it's still cute [TS]

00:08:56   yeah it no and I it's funny i have [TS]

00:08:59   actually I totally miss remember the end [TS]

00:09:01   of hot fuzz so we'll get there [TS]

00:09:04   hum but a guy because I hadn't seen [TS]

00:09:06   shaun of the dead since i saw it on [TS]

00:09:08   video in i'm going to say like 2006 2000 [TS]

00:09:12   after it came out on video like a year [TS]

00:09:14   or two later we should say in shaun of [TS]

00:09:16   the dead from 2004 it's a zombie movie [TS]

00:09:20   but it's a comedy [TS]

00:09:21   with Scotts romantic aspects which is [TS]

00:09:23   why they always called it the rom Tom [TS]

00:09:25   com cum roms our moms are like that runs [TS]

00:09:29   or zombie rom-com I think you go either [TS]

00:09:31   way [TS]

00:09:31   okay fair enough one of those people [TS]

00:09:33   don't put the comm first that doesn't [TS]

00:09:35   make any sense [TS]

00:09:35   no because I com doesn't come first to [TS]

00:09:37   comment natural and it occurs because of [TS]

00:09:40   these on the wrong indeed it comes out [TS]

00:09:43   of that if the Somme rom-com is a [TS]

00:09:44   flowchart you put in some zombie and [TS]

00:09:47   outcomes com you for any there's ramen [TS]

00:09:49   the middle turned into a flowchart this [TS]

00:09:51   is awful but for dr. Seuss book and yeah [TS]

00:09:54   there maybe it maybe something with a [TS]

00:09:56   hierarchy of needs where those arms and [TS]

00:09:58   the roms becomes thank you and masla was [TS]

00:10:02   sorrow many hierarchy of your nose needs [TS]

00:10:04   so so it in shaun of the dead [TS]

00:10:08   Simon Pegg plays a guy Shawn that's his [TS]

00:10:12   name Sean I and he is a kind of a [TS]

00:10:15   directionless loser but he's not as much [TS]

00:10:19   of a loser as the his his buddy what ad [TS]

00:10:23   who crashes at his flat and plays video [TS]

00:10:25   games all day and then there are other [TS]

00:10:27   roommate is peter serafinowicz who I was [TS]

00:10:30   very excited forgotten that that he was [TS]

00:10:32   he was in this movie and I i love him [TS]

00:10:34   from especially from look around you and [TS]

00:10:37   he's also in spaced and he isn't [TS]

00:10:39   space-based another funny very funny [TS]

00:10:41   british a dirty i just saw him he was [TS]

00:10:43   just in the parks and recreation season [TS]

00:10:46   premiere he's very funny actor anyway so [TS]

00:10:51   what's beautiful about shaun of the dead [TS]

00:10:52   is first off there a lot of parallels [TS]

00:10:56   you know you're going to be watching a [TS]

00:10:58   zombie movie and so you see a bunch of [TS]

00:10:59   people of you see Simon Pegg sort of his [TS]

00:11:02   legs are kind of like stumbling and he's [TS]

00:11:04   moaning like a zombie but he's just [TS]

00:11:05   waking up and then they he wanders [TS]

00:11:08   through the town and there are other [TS]

00:11:09   people kind of wandering around like [TS]

00:11:10   zombies but they're just people but the [TS]

00:11:13   thing that I remembered about this movie [TS]

00:11:14   was even years later is that it [TS]

00:11:18   hilariously the characters don't notice [TS]

00:11:21   that the zombie apocalypse apocalypse is [TS]

00:11:23   happening for a very long period of time [TS]

00:11:27   while we watch the zombie apocalypse [TS]

00:11:28   happening in the background which is [TS]

00:11:30   delightful and it's it's a it's thematic [TS]

00:11:32   to because in [TS]

00:11:34   you know looking at all three movies [TS]

00:11:35   they they're all kind of start with that [TS]

00:11:37   head fake like where you think okay it's [TS]

00:11:40   not about zombies we're starting with [TS]

00:11:42   the zombies no we don't start writing [TS]

00:11:43   with the zombies like you know hot fuzz [TS]

00:11:45   oh it's an action movie [TS]

00:11:46   no you don't start right in with the [TS]

00:11:47   action movie and all of them take a left [TS]

00:11:50   turn [TS]

00:11:51   halfway through into some being very [TS]

00:11:52   different than the second half of the [TS]

00:11:54   first half which I like [TS]

00:11:55   agreed alright so so Shaun of the Dead [TS]

00:11:58   Sean's got his girlfriend liz but that [TS]

00:12:04   their relationship isn't that great [TS]

00:12:05   because he just wants to go to the [TS]

00:12:06   winchester which is the favorite pub so [TS]

00:12:08   she's basically gonna gonna break up ooo [TS]

00:12:10   and one of her pals is gone from the [TS]

00:12:13   office the the british office and Dylan [TS]

00:12:20   Moran from black books which is another [TS]

00:12:22   so that has a lot of crossbreed [TS]

00:12:24   creativity with space that area around [TS]

00:12:28   the same time huh [TS]

00:12:29   so anyway the zombie apocalypse then [TS]

00:12:30   happens and and Shawn's father in law or [TS]

00:12:36   stepfather stepfather bill nye it [TS]

00:12:41   doesn't go well for him and they have [TS]

00:12:42   his cape borrow his car and it's you [TS]

00:12:45   know at and they end up back at the [TS]

00:12:46   Winchester that's the goal because [TS]

00:12:48   that's all Sean can everything to do is [TS]

00:12:50   go back to the pub and it's you know it [TS]

00:12:55   well i'm not quite sure what how to lead [TS]

00:12:57   this conversation because it's this [TS]

00:12:58   absolutely crazy movie favorite favorite [TS]

00:13:02   things about my favorite thing is that [TS]

00:13:03   they're completely oblivious for way to [TS]

00:13:06   way too long [TS]

00:13:08   the fact that the world has ended and [TS]

00:13:09   they just haven't noticed because [TS]

00:13:10   they're so completely oblivious i like [TS]

00:13:13   the fact that a lot of it is is it it's [TS]

00:13:16   all very tight and it you know i think [TS]

00:13:19   we'll probably revisit this a lot with [TS]

00:13:22   the other movies too but you know there [TS]

00:13:25   there's a ton of foreshadowing you know [TS]

00:13:28   like at one point the pizzas to add he's [TS]

00:13:31   like you know why don't you just go live [TS]

00:13:33   in the shed and of course that's where [TS]

00:13:34   he ends up at the end you know they they [TS]

00:13:37   have all sorts of things like that the [TS]

00:13:38   the scripts are really really tight i [TS]

00:13:41   thought you know a lot of the dialogue [TS]

00:13:42   is it [TS]

00:13:44   this is great and crackly that it's nice [TS]

00:13:46   at the beginning where we're introduced [TS]

00:13:48   to you know Liz and this is friends and [TS]

00:13:51   they're they're basically you know sean [TS]

00:13:53   liz are having a conversation about [TS]

00:13:55   their friends and then the camera turns [TS]

00:13:58   a little bit and you see that they're [TS]

00:13:59   actually just sitting right there and so [TS]

00:14:02   like like little tiny details like that [TS]

00:14:05   in addition to you know having lots of [TS]

00:14:07   fun and I think there's a scene where [TS]

00:14:11   they have zombies in the backyard and [TS]

00:14:13   they they realize that they have to kill [TS]

00:14:16   them by removing their handlers for [TS]

00:14:18   smashing their head and one of the [TS]

00:14:21   things they come up with is they can [TS]

00:14:23   throw old LPs final piece of them and so [TS]

00:14:26   rather than just pull out a bunch of [TS]

00:14:28   things and start throwing they have to [TS]

00:14:29   sort through the LPS and figure out in [TS]

00:14:31   four wells pressing yeah you know it's [TS]

00:14:33   like it's like the Batman soundtrack [TS]

00:14:35   okay throw it but you know [TS]

00:14:37   good heavens don't don't throw the [TS]

00:14:39   Prince 1999 or whatever let like it was [TS]

00:14:42   very important and they take advantage [TS]

00:14:44   of the fact that you know these these [TS]

00:14:46   are shuffling zombies they aren't speedy [TS]

00:14:48   zombies and so they can do a lot of [TS]

00:14:50   things while the zombies are trying to [TS]

00:14:53   catch up which is delightful to jason's [TS]

00:14:57   point about the obliviousness I i love [TS]

00:14:59   that I the thing i caught this time [TS]

00:15:00   watching it again is how much is going [TS]

00:15:05   on in the background like they're [TS]

00:15:07   talking about it constantly on the TV [TS]

00:15:09   and none of the characters either i mean [TS]

00:15:11   there's a blatant scene where he's like [TS]

00:15:12   flipping channels and he keeps skipping [TS]

00:15:14   over it and they cut together rather [TS]

00:15:16   rather brilliantly like several lines [TS]

00:15:18   about like you know eating people alive [TS]

00:15:20   we have three different channels but [TS]

00:15:22   even before that if you just listen to [TS]

00:15:23   all the background noise there's people [TS]

00:15:24   talking about all these awful things [TS]

00:15:26   happening and they're just totally not [TS]

00:15:27   paying attention to it i like that from [TS]

00:15:31   the first shot [TS]

00:15:32   we are not entirely impressed with sean [TS]

00:15:36   i mean he's the title character and [TS]

00:15:38   simon pegg and there's this feeling like [TS]

00:15:40   we're supposed to be rooting for him but [TS]

00:15:44   he doesn't behave particularly well and [TS]

00:15:47   then we see with with when they in that [TS]

00:15:49   scene that Jeff mentioned where they're [TS]

00:15:51   there [TS]

00:15:51   at liz's and her pals are there you know [TS]

00:15:56   that it's a fascinating dynamic they [TS]

00:15:58   obviously don't approve of Sean really [TS]

00:16:01   but there's this also this you know love [TS]

00:16:03   triangle where David is is sort of like [TS]

00:16:07   secretly obsessed essentially with with [TS]

00:16:09   Liz and Diane knows it and that's that's [TS]

00:16:13   fascinating but they're they're not you [TS]

00:16:14   know they don't really approve of him [TS]

00:16:16   and liz is not really that that enthused [TS]

00:16:18   about him and I like I kinda like that [TS]

00:16:20   when we meet Sean were supposed to you [TS]

00:16:24   know it's a movie i'm supposed to root [TS]

00:16:25   for this guy and I do end up rooting for [TS]

00:16:27   this guy but I don't you know right away [TS]

00:16:30   i'm sort of like wow who is this guy [TS]

00:16:31   he's coming he's kind of a loser and I [TS]

00:16:34   kind of found that refreshing that if he [TS]

00:16:36   was not you know oh this is this is my [TS]

00:16:38   hero of this movie that it's like let me [TS]

00:16:40   list all the things that are wrong with [TS]

00:16:42   him before you roll with root for him [TS]

00:16:43   right [TS]

00:16:45   well it's it's like in each of the [TS]

00:16:46   movies and in spaced you don't [TS]

00:16:49   automatically route for him right [TS]

00:16:52   he's not someone you automatically oh [TS]

00:16:54   hey yeah and in each each of those they [TS]

00:16:57   give you a reason you see that evolution [TS]

00:17:00   and by the time the story takes its left [TS]

00:17:04   turn your onboard you're like all right [TS]

00:17:06   now he's earned it he's you know I'm [TS]

00:17:09   gonna root for this guy and it's you [TS]

00:17:12   it's so nice i mean like with Star [TS]

00:17:13   Trek's ago Chris Pine who you know is [TS]

00:17:18   ready [TS]

00:17:18   yeah he's cute you know that's about it [TS]

00:17:21   I do love that the in Shaun of the Dead [TS]

00:17:24   a great basically and inside basically [TS]

00:17:28   make a list of the things that Simon [TS]

00:17:30   Pegg has to do to improve his life and [TS]

00:17:34   get things back on track and you have it [TS]

00:17:36   you have it first in dialogue i believe [TS]

00:17:39   when she's breaking up with with simon [TS]

00:17:43   Pegg's character basically being like [TS]

00:17:44   you said you gave up smoking you said [TS]

00:17:46   you do this is you said we'd go on [TS]

00:17:47   adventures I want to go on adventures [TS]

00:17:49   you have that framed and then you also [TS]

00:17:51   have the whiteboard that he writes well [TS]

00:17:53   ingloriously drunk you know I have to [TS]

00:17:56   rescue go see mom get back together with [TS]

00:18:00   Liz get my life on track and by the end [TS]

00:18:03   of [TS]

00:18:03   the movie everything that we've sort of [TS]

00:18:06   set out in motion has happened and all [TS]

00:18:08   the things have come together in a [TS]

00:18:10   glorious way but it never feels like [TS]

00:18:13   it's doing so and I checking of the [TS]

00:18:15   boxes like you don't even realize that [TS]

00:18:17   they've gone on an adventure until two [TS]

00:18:19   thirds of the way through the movie when [TS]

00:18:21   they're sitting in the cellar about to [TS]

00:18:23   be devoured by zombies and you're like [TS]

00:18:24   yeah they've actually you know that this [TS]

00:18:28   is a lot more adventuresome then than [TS]

00:18:30   his retail life wow they really set it [TS]

00:18:33   up well so that like he really earned it [TS]

00:18:36   he earned the redemption which is is [TS]

00:18:39   nice rather than just you know in many [TS]

00:18:40   movies they sort of tell you that [TS]

00:18:43   oh and now he's a hero because he did [TS]

00:18:45   you know maybe some sort of minor thing [TS]

00:18:47   like you know they they really make it [TS]

00:18:49   difficult for him and for the other [TS]

00:18:52   people maybe not so much for head but I [TS]

00:18:56   don't know if if we want to go into the [TS]

00:18:58   fact that it is the biggest problem with [TS]

00:19:00   this movie at least for me [TS]

00:19:01   yeah oh yeah Jason did you like like I [TS]

00:19:03   almost wonder if Ed is is such a doofus [TS]

00:19:09   to make Sean seen just a little bit [TS]

00:19:13   better i mean the the thing that I [TS]

00:19:15   didn't like about this was that was that [TS]

00:19:17   you know not so much that Ted was was [TS]

00:19:19   even more of a loser and you know and [TS]

00:19:22   and sort of comic relief it was that bed [TS]

00:19:26   did the stupid things to complicate the [TS]

00:19:28   plot [TS]

00:19:28   yeah I need any a didn't do them I i [TS]

00:19:31   would argue for four reasons that seemed [TS]

00:19:34   to be good [TS]

00:19:35   he did them for awful reasons he was [TS]

00:19:36   just like it in many points that is just [TS]

00:19:38   a miserable human being doing terrible [TS]

00:19:40   things that ruin it for everybody [TS]

00:19:43   aana yeah i mean III seriously i'm not [TS]

00:19:45   i'm not kidding [TS]

00:19:46   um I i had one point where I i have to [TS]

00:19:50   edit this podcast so i'll just do what I [TS]

00:19:52   i just turned my wife and I'm like God [TS]

00:19:53   wouldn't know any person who this guy is [TS]

00:19:56   I mean seriously like yeah and I it's a [TS]

00:19:58   problem I like the movie a lot and I [TS]

00:20:00   know that he's supposed to be a jerk but [TS]

00:20:03   he's such a jerk that I I want him to [TS]

00:20:06   die quickly and be out of the movies [TS]

00:20:09   because so often [TS]

00:20:11   ya know its chest it terrible and I [TS]

00:20:14   think and I think about his character in [TS]

00:20:16   hot fuzz and I think about his [TS]

00:20:17   character in the world and I'm like wow [TS]

00:20:19   I like those guys so much better than [TS]

00:20:20   this it's not even though I mean Simon [TS]

00:20:22   Pegg is that is sort of that character [TS]

00:20:24   in the world's end but but in this is [TS]

00:20:27   just like I I really don't like him at [TS]

00:20:30   all he ruins everything [TS]

00:20:32   I guess I always think of it as mike [TS]

00:20:33   from space and I always have a place in [TS]

00:20:35   my heart for him because of that and [TS]

00:20:37   will cause you always think about like [TS]

00:20:39   there's that thing that happened when we [TS]

00:20:41   were children [TS]

00:20:43   yes well I did it it's the relationship [TS]

00:20:45   between him and simon pegg which which [TS]

00:20:47   is the one thing that kind of transcends [TS]

00:20:49   all these films which is that these are [TS]

00:20:51   these are two guys have known each other [TS]

00:20:53   I mean accepting a smarter or like you [TS]

00:20:55   know I think that's what for me that's [TS]

00:20:57   what redeems it is that you know but but [TS]

00:20:59   here you get the sense like that he is [TS]

00:21:00   the fill the lodestone that is weighing [TS]

00:21:03   is going to just when sean is going to [TS]

00:21:05   get his life together [TS]

00:21:07   this guy is going to ruin it for him [TS]

00:21:09   because he can't get out he's an [TS]

00:21:11   albatross i don't know i mean they even [TS]

00:21:13   say it in the first film they say you [TS]

00:21:16   know to keep him around just so that you [TS]

00:21:18   have somebody who's worse of this person [TS]

00:21:20   than you are of a contrast yeah i mean i [TS]

00:21:22   think they're aware of it but oh don't [TS]

00:21:25   worry but at the same time I mean we all [TS]

00:21:27   have that friend right [TS]

00:21:29   not necessarily to that extent but [TS]

00:21:31   everybody has that person that they've [TS]

00:21:33   known for years who always seems to muck [TS]

00:21:36   things up yet you you're not going to [TS]

00:21:38   cut them loose because there's some [TS]

00:21:39   people cutting loose but her it [TS]

00:21:41   sometimes they recommend that you go on [TS]

00:21:43   a podcast yeah oops podcast as [TS]

00:21:48   intervention [TS]

00:21:49   actually yeah directly Jeff I was that's [TS]

00:21:51   what this is i can I get your point [TS]

00:21:54   I mean everybody's got the friend who [TS]

00:21:55   you you know you have a connection for [TS]

00:21:57   special reasons that other people don't [TS]

00:21:59   understand and everybody else who you've [TS]

00:22:02   collected since then doesn't you know [TS]

00:22:04   doesn't play well with them and what do [TS]

00:22:06   you what are you gonna do because you're [TS]

00:22:07   still loyal to them and I I I get that [TS]

00:22:09   it's just that he does a lot of awful [TS]

00:22:11   things that make things worse throughout [TS]

00:22:13   this move it and I actually think that [TS]

00:22:15   that like that it that the chemistry [TS]

00:22:17   between them really does work and so [TS]

00:22:20   like it doesn't seem really fake that [TS]

00:22:22   the problem that I had is that but you [TS]

00:22:24   know here's a guy who [TS]

00:22:25   you know it's like big on video games [TS]

00:22:27   big on you know it allegedly beyond [TS]

00:22:29   action and cars and things like that and [TS]

00:22:31   yet he's doing stupid things that lately [TS]

00:22:35   but like for example they're outside the [TS]

00:22:37   Winchester they're trying to figure out [TS]

00:22:38   how to get in there are literally [TS]

00:22:40   zombies surrounding them and he has to [TS]

00:22:43   take a phone call from somebody who's [TS]

00:22:45   wondering if he has any weed like like I [TS]

00:22:48   understand that that that's a real you [TS]

00:22:51   know douchey move and and set it up so [TS]

00:22:55   that so that Sean can can really tell [TS]

00:22:58   him off but like I don't think even he [TS]

00:23:01   would be slow oblivious as to just stop [TS]

00:23:03   everything when zombies are closing in [TS]

00:23:06   you know where is this video game [TS]

00:23:08   expertise is surely he's played a video [TS]

00:23:10   game with the jew Tommy's exactly like [TS]

00:23:12   that's where I hopped out of the movie [TS]

00:23:14   nothing no the i dislike even though i [TS]

00:23:17   love dylan moran is an actor I just like [TS]

00:23:19   his character so much more than it takes [TS]

00:23:20   some of the pressure off office oh yeah [TS]

00:23:22   but that's because your character is [TS]

00:23:23   designed to be this like well yeah that [TS]

00:23:26   really is a threat he's not the best [TS]

00:23:28   friend he's an adversary right he's [TS]

00:23:30   trying to break up our our friend sean's [TS]

00:23:32   relationship because he is [TS]

00:23:34   inappropriately obsessed but yet you [TS]

00:23:37   know even though he's got his girlfriend [TS]

00:23:38   right there he's inappropriately [TS]

00:23:40   obsessed with Sean's girlfriend so he is [TS]

00:23:43   the adversary throughout and you do yeah [TS]

00:23:46   you want to whack him try to do that is [TS]

00:23:48   to jon's mom [TS]

00:23:49   yeah cool man yeah Terry Jones I /india [TS]

00:23:54   mrs. Crawley from Downton Abbey yeah I [TS]

00:23:57   mean don't be wantin she'sshe's I like [TS]

00:24:00   her in this it's enjoyable every time I [TS]

00:24:02   see her I'm like oh I love with her when [TS]

00:24:06   when sean is talking about what's the [TS]

00:24:08   plan alright we go we get my mom we take [TS]

00:24:10   care of Philip we go get Liz we go to [TS]

00:24:12   the pot like and they they cut this [TS]

00:24:14   scene together which isn't a an edgar [TS]

00:24:16   wright technique which is like fast cuts [TS]

00:24:18   with like extreme zoomed-in like motions [TS]

00:24:21   but i love that if you look at her [TS]

00:24:23   expression on the face when Ted and [TS]

00:24:24   shawn are like shooting around there [TS]

00:24:27   like skipping together and smiling it's [TS]

00:24:29   just it's it's such a like a quick up [TS]

00:24:31   but it's it's awesome i do love how it [TS]

00:24:34   ends up in the movie I mean editors end [TS]

00:24:35   up being bitten by a zombie but but [TS]

00:24:37   rather than be destroyed he's [TS]

00:24:39   chained up and you might argue that he's [TS]

00:24:40   better off i was just gonna say yeah [TS]

00:24:42   yeah but that's it's like my feelings [TS]

00:24:44   about it's like oh good he know he's a [TS]

00:24:46   zombie he'll shut up and he stays put [TS]

00:24:48   and all they do is play video games now [TS]

00:24:52   now he's that's better we just we will [TS]

00:24:54   briefly mentioned the the parallel [TS]

00:24:56   universe zombie survivalists yeah I'm [TS]

00:25:00   which I have to say the best part about [TS]

00:25:01   that is everybody in that lineup is [TS]

00:25:03   basically like from another british [TS]

00:25:05   sitcom most of them in parallel to [TS]

00:25:08   people in our lineup because you've got [TS]

00:25:10   Martin Freeman martinez also from the [TS]

00:25:12   office [TS]

00:25:13   you've got attempting Grieg who is from [TS]

00:25:16   black books which the Moran's and you [TS]

00:25:17   got Matt Lucas and you've got a Julia [TS]

00:25:21   Deacon who is Marsha from spaced are all [TS]

00:25:25   in that entire lineup which is hilarious [TS]

00:25:27   yeah the the parallel the parallel [TS]

00:25:30   universe version of of the bunch and I [TS]

00:25:32   assume they all they all die too because [TS]

00:25:34   later when we see Jessica Hynes we see [TS]

00:25:39   von she's with the soldiers and stuff [TS]

00:25:41   and it's just her right well that's all [TS]

00:25:43   anybody could be off-screen but yes I [TS]

00:25:45   guess I can so I just sort of assumed [TS]

00:25:46   that there they had the same kind of [TS]

00:25:48   attrition that you have in your group in [TS]

00:25:50   a zombie movie [TS]

00:25:51   you're gonna die one by one which is [TS]

00:25:53   what happens in Shaun of the Dead which [TS]

00:25:54   I liked that that we lose we lose a bill [TS]

00:25:58   my and we lose eventually Penelope [TS]

00:26:01   Wilton and and you know i like how would [TS]

00:26:04   they still went through all those genre [TS]

00:26:06   conventions this is a zombie movie it's [TS]

00:26:07   not just a comedy there are there are [TS]

00:26:11   horrific scenes of sucked peoples guts [TS]

00:26:15   being ripped open and stuff and I have [TS]

00:26:18   to say I I laughed so hard at those [TS]

00:26:20   scenes because in the context of them [TS]

00:26:22   they are punch lines they are meant as [TS]

00:26:24   jokes not as shock horror moments and it [TS]

00:26:28   worked for me at that one sorry that one [TS]

00:26:30   scene with the with David at the end [TS]

00:26:33   that's the one that gets me every time [TS]

00:26:34   he gets it goes over the edge into just [TS]

00:26:36   comedic star from likely just that [TS]

00:26:38   little waggy TSA's yeah but like the [TS]

00:26:40   Lottery's laughter the intestinal seen [TS]

00:26:42   still like our first time I saw that I [TS]

00:26:44   was like oh man that's but it does it [TS]

00:26:46   you know it definitely adheres to the [TS]

00:26:48   you know zombie movie tropes and they're [TS]

00:26:51   clearly huge fans of the [TS]

00:26:52   genre there is in fact a whole zombie [TS]

00:26:54   episode of space in the first season i [TS]

00:26:56   believe so you know they clearly sort of [TS]

00:26:58   take all the boxes with like our we're [TS]

00:27:00   doing a zombie movie the army shows up [TS]

00:27:02   the end to save everything and and all [TS]

00:27:04   that but it's it's it's scary and funny [TS]

00:27:06   as i said to my wife because she hadn't [TS]

00:27:08   seen it before we we did the the full [TS]

00:27:10   trilogy in the theater and she's not [TS]

00:27:12   she's like scary movies all I'm I'm like [TS]

00:27:14   well its overall it's not so much scary [TS]

00:27:16   as it is splatter II and that seemed to [TS]

00:27:19   make her feel better so I I don't know [TS]

00:27:22   what that says but ya know the NN in in [TS]

00:27:25   our in our live chat room Clinton [TS]

00:27:27   Phillips makes the comment that there [TS]

00:27:28   are two groups in this movie the [TS]

00:27:29   competent group of the incompetent group [TS]

00:27:31   and this movie follows the incompetent [TS]

00:27:32   group there's some truth to that that's [TS]

00:27:34   why it's funny it's not scary it's [TS]

00:27:37   zombie movie sure but it's not scary [TS]

00:27:38   it's fine you also want to point out [TS]

00:27:39   that that despite all this and despite [TS]

00:27:41   it you know going strong words and stuff [TS]

00:27:43   like all of the like Sean's relationship [TS]

00:27:47   with his mom and even with with his [TS]

00:27:50   stepdad at the end like that's all fully [TS]

00:27:53   developed like you really get the sense [TS]

00:27:55   it wasn't just oh yeah my mom's gonna [TS]

00:27:58   you know turned into a zombie and I have [TS]

00:27:59   to shoot her you know and and maybe [TS]

00:28:02   that's just the the writing or are more [TS]

00:28:06   pics acting or whatever but you know [TS]

00:28:08   even seen it again for like the third [TS]

00:28:10   time but you know it's really touching [TS]

00:28:13   the way he reacts to the fact that you [TS]

00:28:16   know these people that he loves have to [TS]

00:28:19   be blown away that that's not harder [TS]

00:28:21   that's the heart of the movie the scene [TS]

00:28:23   where they where they have to kill [TS]

00:28:24   Penelope Wilton because she's turned [TS]

00:28:26   into a zombie then and it's taken [TS]

00:28:28   seriously it's not i mean there are [TS]

00:28:30   jokes but it's not played as a toss off [TS]

00:28:34   it is this your your mom has died and [TS]

00:28:36   you have to do this because she's [TS]

00:28:38   turning into a zombie and it's not they [TS]

00:28:40   take the premise seriously ideal the [TS]

00:28:41   only weakness in that for me although I [TS]

00:28:43   found that very affecting the first time [TS]

00:28:44   i saw it was watching at this time he [TS]

00:28:46   uses the same whatever the technique is [TS]

00:28:49   for you know being really upset and sad [TS]

00:28:50   he uses that in other places when it's [TS]

00:28:53   like for ridiculous things [TS]

00:28:55   yeah so like I'm like listen to the tone [TS]

00:28:57   of his voice where and it's like the [TS]

00:28:59   seems like there's the paintball episode [TS]

00:29:00   of space where we're might get shot with [TS]

00:29:02   the paintball they're doing like the [TS]

00:29:04   matter [TS]

00:29:05   like you know he's like but you'll be [TS]

00:29:06   okay and uses the exact same tone of [TS]

00:29:08   voice and I'm like I cannot take you [TS]

00:29:09   seriously right now but it is i mean i [TS]

00:29:12   do remember watching it the first time [TS]

00:29:13   being like yeah that's a it's pretty [TS]

00:29:16   emotional scenes get well and for comedy [TS]

00:29:18   like they didn't really have to do that [TS]

00:29:20   but they did so that was nice and I [TS]

00:29:23   think actually it's it's even like a [TS]

00:29:25   little bit more poignant later when you [TS]

00:29:26   learned that the zombies end up [TS]

00:29:28   surviving so you know like maybe it's [TS]

00:29:31   kind of sad that he had to shoot his [TS]

00:29:33   mother in the face rather than make [TS]

00:29:35   everything maybe after you don't commit [TS]

00:29:37   I should we should we move on from shaun [TS]

00:29:40   of the dead we have two more movies to [TS]

00:29:42   cover that's true it's a good movie [TS]

00:29:44   though is good movie but i think that i [TS]

00:29:45   think they get better as they go along i [TS]

00:29:47   might argue I i would argue that too but [TS]

00:29:50   it's interesting because i had heard [TS]

00:29:52   about the movie and I'd heard about [TS]

00:29:53   space but i never saw them and then it [TS]

00:29:55   was in 2008 place was out in DC for a [TS]

00:29:59   play and the director of the place it's [TS]

00:30:01   it and you have to see this [TS]

00:30:02   sorry we watched shaun of the dead and [TS]

00:30:05   as soon as I came back from DC I went [TS]

00:30:07   and got space and just sat down and [TS]

00:30:09   mainline the whole thing [TS]

00:30:10   oh my god and any I think each of the [TS]

00:30:13   film's gets tighter and sharper [TS]

00:30:15   especially when you compare them to to [TS]

00:30:19   something like Paul I don't know if any [TS]

00:30:21   of you have seen Paul oh wow [TS]

00:30:24   which is funny it's amusing [TS]

00:30:27   it's just not as sharp and tight and as [TS]

00:30:30   you know fully dimensional as these [TS]

00:30:32   about I've heard that mentioned a couple [TS]

00:30:34   of times and in the Q&A that I saw you [TS]

00:30:38   know because they have so many funny [TS]

00:30:40   moments people just assume that that [TS]

00:30:42   they're doing a lot of this live or [TS]

00:30:44   impromptu and in a simon pegg and edgar [TS]

00:30:47   wright they're like no actually do we [TS]

00:30:49   get there [TS]

00:30:50   it's it's it's like it's all very [TS]

00:30:51   scripted we don't have very much money [TS]

00:30:53   these are all done on you know fairly [TS]

00:30:55   low budgets and you know so like like [TS]

00:30:59   every beat is planned out and and and [TS]

00:31:02   everything is very deliberate without [TS]

00:31:04   question i think a great style of [TS]

00:31:07   directing reminds me very much of [TS]

00:31:10   commedia dell'arte and of the idea of [TS]

00:31:13   working working in a framework and [TS]

00:31:15   working almost in in archetypes and [TS]

00:31:18   asks where you're working in so locked [TS]

00:31:21   down a format that you have freedom to [TS]

00:31:23   explore in these tiny little areas and [TS]

00:31:26   that little that freedom is what causes [TS]

00:31:29   the spark in the film i think you have [TS]

00:31:31   like all of his shots are clearly so [TS]

00:31:34   meticulously planned like they feel like [TS]

00:31:36   a like a visual story board like an [TS]

00:31:39   interactive comic which is also why his [TS]

00:31:41   you know scott pilgrim films although [TS]

00:31:44   with weaknesses is still really dynamic [TS]

00:31:47   and really aging and it's it's I mean [TS]

00:31:50   he's he's the perfect person to to [TS]

00:31:52   direct a comic book style movie because [TS]

00:31:54   he clearly sees in in moving comic books [TS]

00:31:58   basically moving frames of a video very [TS]

00:32:01   very carefully plotted and planned but [TS]

00:32:05   even within that strict framework [TS]

00:32:08   there's just so much play and so much [TS]

00:32:11   excitement like even if nothing is [TS]

00:32:13   ad-lib don't think there are there are a [TS]

00:32:15   couple of ATLA blinds hidden throughout [TS]

00:32:17   the scripts and in the three films but [TS]

00:32:20   even that you know even on adam [TS]

00:32:23   headlines you just see the amount of fun [TS]

00:32:25   the actors are having within the you [TS]

00:32:27   know it's like all right we have to do [TS]

00:32:29   this business and it's going to be [TS]

00:32:30   carefully choreographed it's gonna be [TS]

00:32:32   awesome [TS]

00:32:33   it just it looks like so much fun oh [TS]

00:32:36   yeah and and you know i mean we sort of [TS]

00:32:38   touched on it before with you know where [TS]

00:32:40   they're talking and then the camera [TS]

00:32:41   shifts in the person they're talking [TS]

00:32:43   about is right there too [TS]

00:32:44   it's sort of like he takes those strict [TS]

00:32:47   forms and those things that you think [TS]

00:32:49   you know we're gonna happen and then he [TS]

00:32:51   twists them right because you know that [TS]

00:32:54   again like the zombies but they're not [TS]

00:32:56   zombies in the beginning it's just [TS]

00:32:57   people go into work and you know he [TS]

00:33:00   takes those strict forms that we [TS]

00:33:02   recognize and then surprises you mean [TS]

00:33:05   good comedy is always surprised right [TS]

00:33:07   you know it's what's funny about it if [TS]

00:33:11   you know what's coming and so I mean [TS]

00:33:15   it'sit's the a it's lovely to watch the [TS]

00:33:17   way he works and and to see also that [TS]

00:33:20   each of them even scott pilgrim and [TS]

00:33:23   space you know they're fully dimensional [TS]

00:33:26   worlds you know he's thinking about [TS]

00:33:28   what's going on on the other side of the [TS]

00:33:30   camera and the other side of the [TS]

00:33:32   room and who else might be there and [TS]

00:33:33   what else might happen if they can bring [TS]

00:33:35   it into the frame which is just fun [TS]

00:33:39   I the other week I tweeted that you know [TS]

00:33:41   Edgar Wright is one of those directors [TS]

00:33:43   I'd love to write something for but I [TS]

00:33:45   don't want to because I just want to [TS]

00:33:46   watch his work [TS]

00:33:47   I just want to be surprised by it [TS]

00:33:49   alright we've been talking about beer a [TS]

00:33:52   lot because we seem to have a lot in the [TS]

00:33:54   Cornetto trilogy but now i want to shift [TS]

00:33:56   gears a little bit i know you're [TS]

00:33:57   enthusiastic about zombies and aliens [TS]

00:34:01   and cops but are you enthusiastic about [TS]

00:34:04   coffee lots of people are very [TS]

00:34:07   enthusiastic about that coffee that they [TS]

00:34:09   drink in the morning maybe they drink it [TS]

00:34:11   in the evening and keep me up but in the [TS]

00:34:14   morning that shot of caffeine and good [TS]

00:34:17   flavor that you want in the morning i [TS]

00:34:19   know so many people who are so [TS]

00:34:21   enthusiastic about coffee so I want to [TS]

00:34:23   tell you about something that's very [TS]

00:34:24   interesting it's called tonks t 0 NX [TS]

00:34:26   it's a subscription service for coffee [TS]

00:34:29   it uses all the goodness of the internet [TS]

00:34:31   and a lot of coffee intelligence the [TS]

00:34:34   brains behind talks they really know [TS]

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00:34:38   get this talks coffee subscription [TS]

00:34:40   service they roast their own coffee [TS]

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00:34:44   and the pink are really great bring him [TS]

00:34:46   to LA and they wrote themselves and then [TS]

00:34:48   after they roast them they ship them out [TS]

00:34:50   the very next day so you're getting [TS]

00:34:52   fresh roasted beans it's gonna taste way [TS]

00:34:54   better than the stale coffee you'd find [TS]

00:34:55   in a grocery store or in most cafes it's [TS]

00:34:58   freshly roasted it gets shipped out [TS]

00:35:00   within a few days it is in your mailbox [TS]

00:35:02   so it's a coffee subscription service [TS]

00:35:05   you also get an email newsletter called [TS]

00:35:08   the frequency they have their own [TS]

00:35:09   editor-in-chief at talks lots of cool [TS]

00:35:11   coffee related stuff that you get for [TS]

00:35:13   free so it's almost like a magazine [TS]

00:35:15   where instead of pages it's coffee beans [TS]

00:35:18   it's pretty cool [TS]

00:35:19   great idea and there's a special deal [TS]

00:35:21   you can try this out risk-free they'll [TS]

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00:35:39   can try it yourself see if this is [TS]

00:35:40   something that you want to do want to [TS]

00:35:42   sign up get the stuff in the mail every [TS]

00:35:44   two weeks not have to work [TS]

00:35:45   about getting stale coffee get fresh [TS]

00:35:47   beans every two weeks so give it a shot [TS]

00:35:50   tonks dot org slash I NC sign up free [TS]

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00:35:55   give it a try i'm sure you love coffee [TS]

00:35:57   and if you love coffee [TS]

00:35:59   you should try talks and thanks to talks [TS]

00:36:01   for sponsoring the uncomfortable we [TS]

00:36:03   should move on to two hot fuzz which is [TS]

00:36:06   a cop movie it's a movie and genre that [TS]

00:36:09   i am not as familiar with I have to say [TS]

00:36:13   then then even zombie movies and [TS]

00:36:15   certainly the sort of sci-fi elements [TS]

00:36:18   and in the world's end but I i just [TS]

00:36:21   watched this movie last night and um [TS]

00:36:25   after having seen it again when it came [TS]

00:36:27   out on video and it's a it's a very [TS]

00:36:31   funny movie and the fact is I feel like [TS]

00:36:33   I've been as just as a an American kid [TS]

00:36:36   growing up watching TV i have marinated [TS]

00:36:38   in so many cop TV show and movie tropes [TS]

00:36:42   that even if I haven't seen bad boys two [TS]

00:36:45   um I ok at osage's I get it okay [TS]

00:36:52   you know I I haven't seen bad boys two [TS]

00:36:53   yet that's why you're my kryptonite and [TS]

00:36:55   I get it do that episode soon and he's [TS]

00:36:58   the in the in this he is angel [TS]

00:37:01   Nick Nicholas angel because he's that [TS]

00:37:04   good which is hilarious because also [TS]

00:37:06   need the name of the music supervisor [TS]

00:37:08   that they work with on both hot fuzz in [TS]

00:37:09   China dead is Nick angel [TS]

00:37:11   yeah because they comment in the in the [TS]

00:37:14   things we're watching that in the scene [TS]

00:37:16   work he is in the newspaper but they [TS]

00:37:18   misspelled his name is angle that it [TS]

00:37:19   happens to their new music super vibrant [TS]

00:37:21   music supervisor as well [TS]

00:37:23   hot fuzz he's the perfect cop and he's [TS]

00:37:27   he's in fact so good that he has sent [TS]

00:37:29   away to a basically to a farm out in the [TS]

00:37:35   country to live out the rest of his life [TS]

00:37:37   is nothing really bored cop it's the [TS]

00:37:39   worst thing you could do is in two years [TS]

00:37:41   super connected super connected copies [TS]

00:37:44   to take him to the most perfect village [TS]

00:37:46   in the world which of course is perfect [TS]

00:37:48   because of terrible things happening in [TS]

00:37:50   the villages I'd forgotten I'd forgotten [TS]

00:37:52   just how far this week and they go [TS]

00:37:54   pretty far [TS]

00:37:56   yeah this movie remind anybody of [TS]

00:37:58   dragnet when I was watching it again [TS]

00:37:59   that you know the Tom the the Tom Hanks [TS]

00:38:02   are dan aykroyd their dragnet it [TS]

00:38:05   reminded me in that movie I inseparable [TS]

00:38:07   in that a wacky comedy that has a weird [TS]

00:38:12   nefarious secret plot at the bottom of [TS]

00:38:14   it Christopher Plummer is not in hot [TS]

00:38:16   fuzz butt but he might as well have been [TS]

00:38:19   maybe maybe it's just me but that I got [TS]

00:38:21   the same as like you know it's better [TS]

00:38:23   than dragnet I'm not saying it's good [TS]

00:38:25   it's at the dragnet better than it but [TS]

00:38:27   I'm saying it's for what a strange [TS]

00:38:29   little sub-genre we have here of these [TS]

00:38:31   bizarre cop movie comedies that sort of [TS]

00:38:34   take themselves seriously but not that [TS]

00:38:37   seriously but that they wind up with a [TS]

00:38:39   cult leader and this cult trying to [TS]

00:38:43   destroy things and and are goofy cops to [TS]

00:38:46   save the day that this is just way [TS]

00:38:48   better [TS]

00:38:49   well and what's also nice is that they [TS]

00:38:52   actually give you like two reasons for [TS]

00:38:55   for why people are dying and then the [TS]

00:38:57   first reason is you know it's plausible [TS]

00:39:00   there's like like this this whole real [TS]

00:39:02   estate deal and you know maybe like you [TS]

00:39:05   know they have to kill somebody to get [TS]

00:39:07   the real estate so that it will prevent [TS]

00:39:09   another shopping center coming like like [TS]

00:39:10   it's all very intricate and then that [TS]

00:39:13   falls away and you find out that that [TS]

00:39:15   that the real reason for it all is i [TS]

00:39:18   guess i can give away spoilers at the [TS]

00:39:20   amfar and you know it is that they want [TS]

00:39:23   to win the the village of the year award [TS]

00:39:27   and anything that stops them whether [TS]

00:39:28   it's you know people spraying graffiti [TS]

00:39:31   or god forbid the the living statue [TS]

00:39:35   oh no that guy you know that guy like [TS]

00:39:38   they that they just kill them for the [TS]

00:39:41   greater good well it's interesting too [TS]

00:39:42   because the whole thing with the highway [TS]

00:39:43   bypass to me smacks very much of like a [TS]

00:39:45   noir movie rights icons like Chinatown [TS]

00:39:48   which is moving does get reference a [TS]

00:39:50   couple times in there but then it does [TS]

00:39:52   and then it turns into this as just [TS]

00:39:54   saying the president is this even more [TS]

00:39:55   absurdist thing like now there's nothing [TS]

00:39:58   is really really want our village to be [TS]

00:40:00   perfect it's more like Stepford Wives [TS]

00:40:02   well you know it takes your viewing off [TS]

00:40:06   it for a little while like when you [TS]

00:40:08   start to watch the food [TS]

00:40:09   the first time you find yourself piecing [TS]

00:40:12   together what the what the villains plan [TS]

00:40:14   must be and you're like oh yeah I can [TS]

00:40:17   see how this is all connected and I [TS]

00:40:19   could see ice [TS]

00:40:20   I couldn't remember the the finer points [TS]

00:40:22   of why the villagers killed everyone so [TS]

00:40:24   I was like oh they probably killed her [TS]

00:40:26   because she was espousing the morals of [TS]

00:40:29   the town by sleeping with this married [TS]

00:40:31   man and they killed him because he was [TS]

00:40:33   it like but I didn't get all of them and [TS]

00:40:36   I and I started following the wrong path [TS]

00:40:38   when they butchered Shakespeare they [TS]

00:40:40   butchered my experience this was the [TS]

00:40:43   only thing that was convincing in the [TS]

00:40:45   three-and-a-half hours of so-called [TS]

00:40:46   acting that such as I love that it's the [TS]

00:40:50   baz lurman version of Romeo and Juliet [TS]

00:40:52   minutes to get a musical number of the [TS]

00:40:55   way that it's another good love me [TS]

00:40:58   lovely so good i'm guessing no damn the [TS]

00:41:03   life that made me laugh out loud this [TS]

00:41:05   time was forget it its and for Sanford [TS]

00:41:07   yeah is it together [TS]

00:41:09   I I did grow up sort of marinated in the [TS]

00:41:12   action movie culture especially of the [TS]

00:41:14   nineties because that was when i was a [TS]

00:41:16   teenager and watching all of these [TS]

00:41:18   action movies and so you know we have a [TS]

00:41:20   weapon and diehard exactly like a whole [TS]

00:41:23   part of the section from lethal what [TS]

00:41:24   they left us the score from lethal [TS]

00:41:26   weapon in that scene where they go into [TS]

00:41:27   the into David Bradley's farmers shed [TS]

00:41:30   its full of all the weapons and they're [TS]

00:41:32   actually using the score from lethal [TS]

00:41:33   weapon in there which i think is great [TS]

00:41:34   and then later on they point out that [TS]

00:41:36   this little tribute thing on the screen [TS]

00:41:38   is actually hilarious because the when [TS]

00:41:39   they announced that the secret cult [TS]

00:41:41   meeting and was like but first the news [TS]

00:41:43   that they had twins she's decided to [TS]

00:41:44   name her twins Roger and Martin which [TS]

00:41:47   are the names of Mel Gibson and Danny [TS]

00:41:48   Glover's character struck me was I did [TS]

00:41:51   totally did would not have caught even [TS]

00:41:53   remotely but thank you whoever wrote the [TS]

00:41:56   trivia feed on Hot Fuzz but yeah and [TS]

00:41:59   knowing all those troops and everything [TS]

00:42:01   it's what makes it so delightful you [TS]

00:42:02   know that you ever jump to the air while [TS]

00:42:05   firing two guns simultaneously [TS]

00:42:06   oh yeah like which they pay off which [TS]

00:42:09   they pay off along with the high-speed [TS]

00:42:10   car chase and shooting people and and [TS]

00:42:12   it's it's another one of those places [TS]

00:42:14   where that takes the left term because [TS]

00:42:16   it's in some ways so serious he's such a [TS]

00:42:17   by-the-books cop right [TS]

00:42:19   you know he's not he's regret shooting [TS]

00:42:21   people you [TS]

00:42:22   he doesn't want to do anything and then [TS]

00:42:23   by the end you just basically that all [TS]

00:42:24   gets thrown out the window in service / [TS]

00:42:26   ye of bad boys to basically right so the [TS]

00:42:29   left turning in shaun of the dead is [TS]

00:42:30   suddenly it is a zombie movie and they [TS]

00:42:32   have to run and there's lots of action [TS]

00:42:34   and there's lots of zombies and hot fuzz [TS]

00:42:35   it's the realization that it's not just [TS]

00:42:38   there's not just a killer but there is [TS]

00:42:41   sort of like every all the town elders [TS]

00:42:43   are are killing people and he finds out [TS]

00:42:46   and at that point it's just gunfire it's [TS]

00:42:50   it into the top totally grill easy [TS]

00:42:54   Michael Bay it's drenched you know he [TS]

00:42:57   said rent amount of town and then he [TS]

00:42:59   comes back and he's riding a horse [TS]

00:43:01   riding a horse and ask Morgan got no [TS]

00:43:04   arms or anything it's just doesn't [TS]

00:43:06   matter will end and it the the way edgar [TS]

00:43:09   wright cuts it too is also very much [TS]

00:43:11   like all these and exactly right and [TS]

00:43:13   aluminum all the consumes in and out a [TS]

00:43:16   panning around and even things like like [TS]

00:43:18   when they go to the farm that has all [TS]

00:43:20   the weapons and they may think they've [TS]

00:43:22   activated this this massive see mine you [TS]

00:43:25   know why there would be a seam on there [TS]

00:43:27   you know what [TS]

00:43:28   ok and and and so like like they have [TS]

00:43:31   the big scene where they come running [TS]

00:43:33   out and the cameras you know pulls back [TS]

00:43:35   and they jump over a hedge and you know [TS]

00:43:38   because in every single other movie [TS]

00:43:40   that's when their locations closer to [TS]

00:43:41   you and then they stand up and they're [TS]

00:43:43   nothing happened its dustin themselves [TS]

00:43:45   off and you know it's it's very so [TS]

00:43:48   intentionally playing off of the [TS]

00:43:49   expectation that you have because you've [TS]

00:43:51   watched 50 of these movies and then [TS]

00:43:54   taking a little turn even in you know a [TS]

00:43:56   little small bits like that [TS]

00:43:58   can we point out that the the the the [TS]

00:44:01   return of angel to the town is entirely [TS]

00:44:05   predicated on seeing dvds in a gas [TS]

00:44:08   station and us getting ready for a great [TS]

00:44:11   example is to match that moment of like [TS]

00:44:13   all right I'm going back and all of [TS]

00:44:16   those guns that seemed extraneous in the [TS]

00:44:17   time and daily to every Bradley shed [TS]

00:44:20   might be might come in handy [TS]

00:44:22   Chekhov's gun laws i was gonna say it's [TS]

00:44:25   the law of chico's description of Gungan [TS]

00:44:28   plan I believe checkout wrote lethal [TS]

00:44:30   weapon and die hard as well based on [TS]

00:44:33   original checkoff plays checkoff said [TS]

00:44:35   that if you [TS]

00:44:35   do show a shed full of guns in Act one [TS]

00:44:38   they all will be fired simultaneously [TS]

00:44:41   you have to have a a nice word here for [TS]

00:44:45   all of the character actors playing all [TS]

00:44:48   the village members including paul [TS]

00:44:49   freeman from Raiders of the Lost Ark oh [TS]

00:44:51   yeah Jim Broadbent family been generally [TS]

00:44:54   been as the police chief the Dalton who [TS]

00:44:57   is to my mind [TS]

00:44:58   wow this was like I think the first [TS]

00:45:00   thing I'd seen him in a long time and i [TS]

00:45:03   think around the same time he did this [TS]

00:45:05   he had a guest run on chuck in which he [TS]

00:45:07   plays in some ways a very similar [TS]

00:45:09   character is Jim James Bond actors are [TS]

00:45:12   at when they're done with that part they [TS]

00:45:14   just gotta do the villains opening [TS]

00:45:15   options so good if it's let's tear roll [TS]

00:45:18   why i love that first scene with him [TS]

00:45:20   like arrest me [TS]

00:45:21   I've been slashing prices all over town [TS]

00:45:24   great delivery and he just goes at it [TS]

00:45:26   with such gusty oh my favorite my [TS]

00:45:28   favorite tidbit from the tribute track [TS]

00:45:30   and this one was the scene where Simon [TS]

00:45:32   Pegg tries to prove that he cut his foot [TS]

00:45:33   and he pulls up his pant legs he's [TS]

00:45:36   wearing like the sock suspenders [TS]

00:45:38   apparently the simon pegg did not know [TS]

00:45:41   he was wearing those and just started [TS]

00:45:43   cracking up when he did so the heads and [TS]

00:45:45   scoot take again i just like to picture [TS]

00:45:47   at that Edgar Wright rolled up to [TS]

00:45:50   Timothy Dalton's house and it's like how [TS]

00:45:52   would you like to do a movie more [TS]

00:45:53   ridiculous than the rocketeer come here [TS]

00:45:56   because I got a script for you anymore [TS]

00:45:58   but i don't know if any of you have seen [TS]

00:46:01   the show broadchurch oh yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:46:05   well the the lead actress in that is [TS]

00:46:09   Doris in hot fuzz and so every time I [TS]

00:46:15   saw her in broadchurch I'm think I'm i'm [TS]

00:46:19   having like oh she got promoted the I'm [TS]

00:46:21   and I just see here is your hot friend [TS]

00:46:23   Olivia Colman and and yet when she came [TS]

00:46:26   on-screen and hot fuzz this time my wife [TS]

00:46:29   said hey its its Miller from for blood [TS]

00:46:32   church but she's been in i always think [TS]

00:46:35   of the limit Olivia Colman i first [TS]

00:46:36   noticed her in the mitchell and webb [TS]

00:46:38   look and and she's also a look around [TS]

00:46:41   you with peter serafinowicz she's also [TS]

00:46:43   in the doctor who episode the 11th hour [TS]

00:46:46   of the 11th hour yes Aaron [TS]

00:46:47   yeah there's a number of these guys who [TS]

00:46:49   are like David Bradley of course who not [TS]

00:46:51   only plays what Filch in the Harry [TS]

00:46:53   Potter movies was in a doctor who [TS]

00:46:55   episode is playing William Hartnell is [TS]

00:46:56   Walder Frey like yeah and is in the [TS]

00:46:59   world end as well so like that it gets [TS]

00:47:01   around those British actor the character [TS]

00:47:03   actors men and women TV advertisers yeah [TS]

00:47:06   one of his last parts i believe [TS]

00:47:08   yeah i think it was his last part again [TS]

00:47:09   and then you have like paddy considine [TS]

00:47:11   and Rafe spall as the Andes yes you are [TS]

00:47:16   normal daily is the twin those alien how [TS]

00:47:19   love bill bailey some ideas are awful [TS]

00:47:21   and an abusive toward angel accept that [TS]

00:47:25   then there's that moment where it's very [TS]

00:47:26   clear that Jim Broadbent is doing bad [TS]

00:47:31   things and like a switch [TS]

00:47:33   it's a great moment right when the [TS]

00:47:35   switch flips and all of a sudden they're [TS]

00:47:37   all looking to Angel to tell them what [TS]

00:47:39   to do because I gotta save the town and [TS]

00:47:42   it suggests it's a great moment again in [TS]

00:47:43   this kind of ridiculous movie there's a [TS]

00:47:45   more like it yeah they're gonna save the [TS]

00:47:47   day [TS]

00:47:48   this ridiculous movie it's great i love [TS]

00:47:50   it it's a yes the LA confidential moment [TS]

00:47:52   when it's like maybe what maybe we're [TS]

00:47:54   good friends after all huh [TS]

00:47:56   mmm yeah well it's yeah it's a cop [TS]

00:47:58   moving right so yeah and I mean I so [TS]

00:48:01   they do as we were saying before with [TS]

00:48:02   the scripts being so tight like they [TS]

00:48:04   managed to packing so much ridiculous [TS]

00:48:06   stuff in the end and that's why like [TS]

00:48:09   watching the track was so amusing [TS]

00:48:11   because all these things you would not [TS]

00:48:13   catch that are totally silly little like [TS]

00:48:15   they point out the scene where they go [TS]

00:48:16   when they're shooting up the town at the [TS]

00:48:18   end and they go into the bar you know [TS]

00:48:20   where of course Simon Pegg has been [TS]

00:48:22   ordering our cranberry juice into the [TS]

00:48:24   pub there's a sign and the 20 [TS]

00:48:26   proprietors and the provider his wife [TS]

00:48:28   pop up with like guns behind it there's [TS]

00:48:30   a chocolate said she was 40 45 50 55 yet [TS]

00:48:34   really very silly 5350 but they're just [TS]

00:48:36   chalkboard on the side that says two [TS]

00:48:38   shooters for the price of one [TS]

00:48:39   it's like that like i would not have [TS]

00:48:43   noticed that if it hadn't been for their [TS]

00:48:44   calling out in one of the scenes were [TS]

00:48:46   there Timothy Dalton is trying to [TS]

00:48:47   establish his alibi saying like oh look [TS]

00:48:49   at the CCTV footage i'm in all of it [TS]

00:48:51   when they pause on at one point he's [TS]

00:48:53   holding up a newspaper to the CCTV [TS]

00:48:55   camera with the date on it it's like all [TS]

00:48:58   these little details that you're right [TS]

00:49:00   put in [TS]

00:49:00   in so that you know if you ever freeze [TS]

00:49:03   frame and go through it it's like [TS]

00:49:05   it'sit's just so thoroughly thought out [TS]

00:49:07   is the thing and that's that's why I [TS]

00:49:09   love him as director so much because [TS]

00:49:11   he's not one of those guys is like ever [TS]

00:49:12   put the camera here take a picture this [TS]

00:49:14   will knock it off will be talking to be [TS]

00:49:15   done by dinner you know he goes through [TS]

00:49:17   and meticulously has all these little [TS]

00:49:19   details that make this world totally [TS]

00:49:21   fleshed out to the point where you can [TS]

00:49:23   stop any frame and examine it and [TS]

00:49:24   there's all sorts of little details that [TS]

00:49:26   basically you know shore up this entire [TS]

00:49:29   film if they they actually put out [TS]

00:49:31   interactive pdfs of the scripts for the [TS]

00:49:34   1st 2 and I assume when the worlds in [TS]

00:49:36   comes to DVD they leave at two and again [TS]

00:49:39   it's fun to watch to see guess because [TS]

00:49:41   it'll include pictures and links and [TS]

00:49:43   everything and you can read along while [TS]

00:49:45   you're watching the movie and again pick [TS]

00:49:47   up more details from the stage [TS]

00:49:49   directions and little things they threw [TS]

00:49:51   in there just amazing [TS]

00:49:53   that's where the public hot fuzz is is [TS]

00:49:55   one of the pubs in the World's End by [TS]

00:49:57   the way it's just like the gym just [TS]

00:50:00   generic british pub that's in one of [TS]

00:50:05   these in all the publishing house ever [TS]

00:50:07   again [TS]

00:50:08   its back I find it so funny you know all [TS]

00:50:12   of the films have pubs that feature very [TS]

00:50:15   centrally in the disputed plots it is it [TS]

00:50:20   is the UK as they as they point out that [TS]

00:50:22   parks and rec repsol where they were in [TS]

00:50:24   London only there was a place you get a [TS]

00:50:26   drink around here there's a problem over [TS]

00:50:28   there that over there there's puppet [TS]

00:50:29   winter but your shots over there right [TS]

00:50:33   we'll go to the butcher shops first [TS]

00:50:35   yeah anything more about half of us just [TS]

00:50:38   hates awesome [TS]

00:50:39   it's funny it is awesome and it is [TS]

00:50:41   awesome in there is a horror movie [TS]

00:50:43   aspect to this in the sense that when we [TS]

00:50:46   see the killer at first it's the killer [TS]

00:50:49   in the in the in the robes and it calls [TS]

00:50:52   to mind a different kind of horror movie [TS]

00:50:54   than the the Mazama movie calls to mind [TS]

00:50:56   a you know a slasher kind of movie and [TS]

00:50:59   like you said and I'm slashing all over [TS]

00:51:02   town prices know that i like that that [TS]

00:51:05   that that's a it's a little thing that I [TS]

00:51:09   didn't expect to see in a movie that's [TS]

00:51:11   basically a cop movie that it that that [TS]

00:51:13   there's this [TS]

00:51:14   you know what's this mysterious robed [TS]

00:51:15   figure and of course then there's a [TS]

00:51:17   punch line when they go to arrest him to [TS]

00:51:18   Dalton then turns out that all of them [TS]

00:51:21   have it's simple it's murder on the [TS]

00:51:23   orient express its foreign soil as it as [TS]

00:51:26   it said in the game distribute it said [TS]

00:51:28   spoiler alert it's basically the murder [TS]

00:51:31   the murder on the orient express sorry [TS]

00:51:33   it's like 45 years old with this movie [TS]

00:51:37   is also pretty bloody to I mean you know [TS]

00:51:39   it's normally with with a lot of action [TS]

00:51:42   movies like you know somebody gets shot [TS]

00:51:44   in the fall down and there whatever but [TS]

00:51:46   you know there's a scene when when the [TS]

00:51:48   the reporter tim has a a block of the [TS]

00:51:52   the church roof land on him and you know [TS]

00:51:55   it's it that is gory as all as all heck [TS]

00:51:58   so there's definitely some horror and I [TS]

00:52:02   influences here [TS]

00:52:03   yeah i would say that the death of the [TS]

00:52:05   of the newspaper man being having his [TS]

00:52:07   head completely exploded by the church [TS]

00:52:09   spire is worse than anything that's in [TS]

00:52:11   Sean of the dad pretty may linger for [TS]

00:52:14   the next 12 or that really do the woman [TS]

00:52:17   stabbing yourself the shears or getting [TS]

00:52:19   stabbed with shears and then was the [TS]

00:52:21   show that Timothy Dalton at the end [TS]

00:52:22   getting hit [TS]

00:52:23   look at all this really hurts [TS]

00:52:28   yeah actually that's very funny because [TS]

00:52:30   you expected it to the horrific death [TS]

00:52:32   scene for him but he's not dead [TS]

00:52:34   well the action movie he's just named [TS]

00:52:36   yeah well and and the model village bit [TS]

00:52:39   at the end is just fantastic i mean like [TS]

00:52:42   just all the things that you really like [TS]

00:52:44   it you know as a point when you when [TS]

00:52:45   they're driving in early on it has the [TS]

00:52:47   sign that says model village which of [TS]

00:52:48   course and my friends to like it's the [TS]

00:52:50   perfect village but it's also a little [TS]

00:52:52   teeny tiny village [TS]

00:52:54   yes and then you're there i love that [TS]

00:52:56   they're fighting after having wrecked [TS]

00:52:57   the whole main town right with a [TS]

00:52:59   gunfight they have to take it over to [TS]

00:53:01   the little tiny model town and let's [TS]

00:53:02   start matching that of this great such a [TS]

00:53:05   bizarre piece of setting that it works [TS]

00:53:07   they have to have a fist fight because [TS]

00:53:08   you can't just solve everything with [TS]

00:53:10   guns you have to have the best romantic [TS]

00:53:12   you know mano a mano [TS]

00:53:14   yeah whatever one of the funny things [TS]

00:53:15   that i think i got from from the [TS]

00:53:17   interactive script that David mentioned [TS]

00:53:18   they were interviewing Timothy Dalton [TS]

00:53:22   and it actually interviewing him and and [TS]

00:53:25   so [TS]

00:53:25   MPEG separately they're talking about [TS]

00:53:27   the chasing at the end because there's [TS]

00:53:29   this whole bit where they're they're [TS]

00:53:30   chasing after each other in these tiny [TS]

00:53:32   little police cars and they're shooting [TS]

00:53:33   guns at each other you know it again [TS]

00:53:35   doing the things that that Danny was [TS]

00:53:39   asking about earlier and Timothy Dalton [TS]

00:53:43   was like like that was an immense amount [TS]

00:53:46   of fun and simon pegg is like like but [TS]

00:53:49   you were chains bond like how can you [TS]

00:53:52   say that can be anything until they [TS]

00:53:54   don't laughs he's like do you think that [TS]

00:53:56   Brock that the Akalis that the broccolis [TS]

00:53:58   whoever owns the bond franchise yeah [TS]

00:54:01   yeah [TS]

00:54:02   do you think they would let me do any of [TS]

00:54:03   those action scenes myself and so so [TS]

00:54:06   like he got to actually do that were you [TS]

00:54:09   know instead of just stuntman and and it [TS]

00:54:11   was awesome that you know James Bond [TS]

00:54:13   thought that this little bit was like [TS]

00:54:16   the best action he's ever done in any [TS]

00:54:18   movie [TS]

00:54:18   yeah they did they did a lot of their [TS]

00:54:20   own stunts in that one including they [TS]

00:54:23   mentioned that the in the jumping the [TS]

00:54:24   fencing which is a commonality between [TS]

00:54:26   all three movies that that somebody has [TS]

00:54:28   the first three and then it's an [TS]

00:54:29   acrobatic is like the somersault over [TS]

00:54:31   the last and that he's but that also he [TS]

00:54:35   does a bunch of the fight scenes and [TS]

00:54:36   stuff like that to which I mean it were [TS]

00:54:37   a you know I think it helps contribute [TS]

00:54:40   to the the verisimilitude of it as it [TS]

00:54:42   were [TS]

00:54:43   no definitely an end and it will really [TS]

00:54:44   come into play in the next movie too [TS]

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00:56:28   and talk about the World's End which i [TS]

00:56:31   think most of us probably saw pretty [TS]

00:56:33   recently and so it's only been out for a [TS]

00:56:34   few weeks or maybe a maybe a little more [TS]

00:56:36   than like a month or two in this one [TS]

00:56:39   Simon Pegg is gary king he is a [TS]

00:56:44   messed-up dude he is in the ILA and I [TS]

00:56:50   really like that about it that that in [TS]

00:56:52   this movie [TS]

00:56:53   everybody else all of his friends from [TS]

00:56:55   school that he drags along to their [TS]

00:56:57   hometown to go through these ten [TS]

00:57:00   different pubs over the course of one [TS]

00:57:04   night they all have moved on with their [TS]

00:57:05   lives they are all essentially regular [TS]

00:57:09   guys and he is in as extremist state of [TS]

00:57:13   Arrested Development as you will ever [TS]

00:57:14   see the the best the best moment being [TS]

00:57:18   when they're in his car and one of them [TS]

00:57:22   comments [TS]

00:57:24   this is this is like the car that I sold [TS]

00:57:26   you in whatever 1995 and he's in 1990 [TS]

00:57:30   and he says it is that car and then put [TS]

00:57:32   a cassette tape and he says oh I [TS]

00:57:34   remember remember when I gave you this [TS]

00:57:36   tape you know a tape of this album [TS]

00:57:38   nieces this is that tape [TS]

00:57:40   it's like what what have you been doing [TS]

00:57:41   for the last 20 years nothing you know [TS]

00:57:44   what [TS]

00:57:44   nothing has changed with him he's an in [TS]

00:57:47   the state of various development and at [TS]

00:57:51   and everybody else is sort of talked [TS]

00:57:53   into it through his lies into doing this [TS]

00:57:54   pub crawl [TS]

00:57:55   so I like that in this movie it really [TS]

00:57:57   is Simon Pegg who is the problem and not [TS]

00:58:00   not anybody else Nick Frost is this is [TS]

00:58:03   like the straight man he is absolutely [TS]

00:58:05   the straight manages which is great as I [TS]

00:58:07   got another great about face because you [TS]

00:58:09   kind of go in expecting through the same [TS]

00:58:11   sort of thing where it's like all right [TS]

00:58:12   I'm thank you have character and Nick [TS]

00:58:13   Frost is the bumbling like you know [TS]

00:58:15   sidekick or whatever and not not really [TS]

00:58:18   kind of the other way around [TS]

00:58:20   there's actually nice that there was no [TS]

00:58:21   bumbling sidekick in this one [TS]

00:58:23   yeah yeah they all have their they all [TS]

00:58:25   have their uh the characters in here all [TS]

00:58:29   have their different little quirks a [TS]

00:58:31   little personalities i really like [TS]

00:58:32   martin freeman in this MH as oh man who [TS]

00:58:37   you know looking at the first two movies [TS]

00:58:40   that we watch tonight I guess I should [TS]

00:58:43   have guessed that bad things happen to [TS]

00:58:45   martin freeman's character in in worlds [TS]

00:58:48   and spoiler but I I didn't I was so [TS]

00:58:53   hoping I'm like martin freeman i love [TS]

00:58:55   martin freeman night the whole I just I [TS]

00:58:57   didn't realize like I I guess I must [TS]

00:58:59   have blanked him out in shaun of the [TS]

00:59:01   dead and hot fuzz i did not remember him [TS]

00:59:03   being in either one [TS]

00:59:05   well it is it's blink and you miss him [TS]

00:59:07   yes I mean lines and Shan Shan daddy as [TS]

00:59:09   he has that one or two scenes i guess [TS]

00:59:11   with Bill Nighy and Steve Coogan and hot [TS]

00:59:13   fuzz [TS]

00:59:14   yeah I remembered as soon as I start [TS]

00:59:16   watching well that's right Martin [TS]

00:59:17   Freeman is boss but yeah it's nice to [TS]

00:59:20   see them and and you also get any marks [TS]

00:59:22   and who I was a ironically in a [TS]

00:59:26   different sherlock holmes franchise from [TS]

00:59:28   from martin freeman he plays an Elvis [TS]

00:59:30   trod i think in the robert downey junior [TS]

00:59:32   version and and Paddy Considine again [TS]

00:59:36   who is who is great i really like him [TS]

00:59:38   this is a movie that so it takes it [TS]

00:59:42   takes are not just a right turn it takes [TS]

00:59:44   a sharp sharp writer and halfway through [TS]

00:59:47   it if you'd go into this movie thinking [TS]

00:59:49   it's going to be a you know a story [TS]

00:59:53   about a guy who's really trying to [TS]

00:59:55   relive the past and obviously he's going [TS]

00:59:57   to have a journey over the course of [TS]

00:59:58   going through all these different parts [TS]

00:59:58   going through all these different parts [TS]

01:00:00   herbs and and and you know his friends [TS]

01:00:03   are gonna learn about their stare state [TS]

01:00:05   kind of middle-aged ways but he's gonna [TS]

01:00:07   learn something about having to move on [TS]

01:00:08   all that effect is the movie gives you [TS]

01:00:10   that for the first one half hour 45 [TS]

01:00:12   minutes [TS]

01:00:13   it's a darker funny but it's really kind [TS]

01:00:16   of dark and weird and I liked it a lot [TS]

01:00:19   and I'm sitting there thinking I know [TS]

01:00:21   that something is going to happen here [TS]

01:00:23   but it's amazing how long it goes where [TS]

01:00:26   it's really like Gary King how messed up [TS]

01:00:28   is he meet these guys they obviously [TS]

01:00:31   have a bond in the past but they've all [TS]

01:00:33   moved on i really loved all of that and [TS]

01:00:35   you know I to the point where I if it [TS]

01:00:38   didn't take the crazy left turn [TS]

01:00:40   I think this would still be a really [TS]

01:00:43   good movie it's just that halfway [TS]

01:00:44   through it becomes a totally different [TS]

01:00:47   movie what I like about a great films in [TS]

01:00:51   general is that he takes he takes these [TS]

01:00:53   really trouble some things that we're [TS]

01:00:58   all going through you know the the [TS]

01:00:59   process of adulthood and really distills [TS]

01:01:02   it through an extraordinary set of [TS]

01:01:04   circumstances where it's like let's that [TS]

01:01:07   let's take growing up through the lens [TS]

01:01:09   of zombies and let's take developing [TS]

01:01:12   personal relationships and friendships [TS]

01:01:13   through crazy town and let's touch up [TS]

01:01:18   again on growing up but really this time [TS]

01:01:21   with aliens [TS]

01:01:24   it's like and and no bots yeah i mean [TS]

01:01:27   the the whole idea that this you know [TS]

01:01:30   you did there from the suburban sort of [TS]

01:01:31   the end of nowhere town and its really [TS]

01:01:33   boring [TS]

01:01:34   I mean everybody grows up wherever it [TS]

01:01:36   almost anybody grows up its they're [TS]

01:01:37   going to say it's boring even if it's [TS]

01:01:38   actually exciting they're going to say [TS]

01:01:40   it's boring but you know i like that in [TS]

01:01:43   the idea that these people are all kind [TS]

01:01:44   of drained of all life and he's trying [TS]

01:01:46   to interject you know it [TS]

01:01:48   inject life and excitement back into his [TS]

01:01:50   friends lives but also this town that [TS]

01:01:52   they came from and then we see that the [TS]

01:01:54   reason the town is devoid of all life is [TS]

01:01:57   it because [TS]

01:02:03   there are aliens in that town [TS]

01:02:06   spoiler alert sorry again why are you [TS]

01:02:08   listening it if you want to be spoiled [TS]

01:02:10   to listen the the moment now that we've [TS]

01:02:14   blown the spoiler horn but I love that [TS]

01:02:16   moment in the bathroom in the pub where [TS]

01:02:19   where he gets where Gary gets a [TS]

01:02:23   confronts the kids and you you thinking [TS]

01:02:28   you know he's hit rock bottom this guy [TS]

01:02:30   is such a mess his life is is a wreck [TS]

01:02:32   and he pops one of the kids heads off [TS]

01:02:36   and there's blue ink everywhere and [TS]

01:02:38   they're like alien robots got blood on [TS]

01:02:40   our hands technically it's more like [TS]

01:02:42   we've got ink on our head that I I such [TS]

01:02:45   a great mom i think i mentioned this to [TS]

01:02:47   you Jason Murphy was on a podcaster just [TS]

01:02:49   in a conversation but I was watching it [TS]

01:02:51   in a friend of mine was sitting next to [TS]

01:02:52   me and she had clearly come into this [TS]

01:02:54   not knowing what this movie with spout [TS]

01:02:56   yeah I don't like you know she's like [TS]

01:02:58   you know we also we're having a good [TS]

01:03:00   time laughing all this and I look over [TS]

01:03:01   that scene because I knew it was coming [TS]

01:03:03   eventually and she's just like eyes wide [TS]

01:03:06   like what we're going on [TS]

01:03:09   it was a great moment it all the way [TS]

01:03:12   they do it to it is is great because [TS]

01:03:14   it's not like you know he reaches over [TS]

01:03:15   and pops his head off their they're [TS]

01:03:17   having this little fight scene and [TS]

01:03:19   throws the guy down and his head you [TS]

01:03:20   know it's the urine olin and the edge of [TS]

01:03:22   the URL and you know normally like maybe [TS]

01:03:24   the urinal with breakaway or sport ever [TS]

01:03:26   but no his head just pops all right off [TS]

01:03:29   think flies around you and then the head [TS]

01:03:31   looks at them a little bit longer while [TS]

01:03:33   it's on the floor and once this happens [TS]

01:03:35   and you realize what you're seeing here [TS]

01:03:37   it is the I feel like this movie plays [TS]

01:03:39   by the rules that we and it takes them [TS]

01:03:42   to their extreme that that it it seems [TS]

01:03:45   to know exactly what it wants to do and [TS]

01:03:48   uh although again if you had an entire [TS]

01:03:50   village full of these guys could you not [TS]

01:03:53   not let them go to the next pub but they [TS]

01:03:57   managed it anyway but i I just I like [TS]

01:03:59   that too that there soon be some rules [TS]

01:04:01   about how you can defeat these kind of [TS]

01:04:03   robot guys or whatever they are there's [TS]

01:04:05   a whole hilarious debate where they're [TS]

01:04:07   talking about if they are robots or [TS]

01:04:09   aliens or something else like what we [TS]

01:04:10   call them which is really nice while [TS]

01:04:12   they're having beer not robot because [TS]

01:04:14   you know what the origin of the word [TS]

01:04:15   robot [TS]

01:04:16   exactly slave yes very important i think [TS]

01:04:20   they do a fairly good job of a of towing [TS]

01:04:23   that line of working within those rules [TS]

01:04:26   and also like it if they were to go like [TS]

01:04:29   you know an inch further you would think [TS]

01:04:30   okay well why don't the robots just [TS]

01:04:33   swarm them and be done with it you know [TS]

01:04:35   and and they're also sort of more [TS]

01:04:39   credibility moments where you're like [TS]

01:04:43   okay like they know what's going on yet [TS]

01:04:47   there are continuing to do this pub [TS]

01:04:49   crawl and they make justifications for [TS]

01:04:52   this that I think are are are just good [TS]

01:04:55   enough for you say okay well they can't [TS]

01:04:58   leave the town because that might alert [TS]

01:05:00   them and then they would die in a field [TS]

01:05:01   somewhere as as somebody says and and [TS]

01:05:04   then says I don't like fields you know [TS]

01:05:07   and and then like likes so you're still [TS]

01:05:11   with them on the adventure rather than [TS]

01:05:14   saying you idiots just get in the car [TS]

01:05:16   and leave which I think was a hard thing [TS]

01:05:20   for them to do I think they pulled it [TS]

01:05:21   off pretty well yeah um one of the [TS]

01:05:24   things I like about about this movie is [TS]

01:05:27   Simon Pegg really does take a journey [TS]

01:05:29   here Gary King I mean he this adventure [TS]

01:05:32   that he's in he you know he's messed [TS]

01:05:36   he's really messed up we actually learn [TS]

01:05:37   as we go that he has been committed [TS]

01:05:39   because he tried to kill himself that's [TS]

01:05:41   the the the the group therapy that he's [TS]

01:05:44   in at the beginning and he walks away [TS]

01:05:45   from that he's got scars on his wrists [TS]

01:05:47   and then he is he is a really messed-up [TS]

01:05:50   guy and i think it's interesting i was [TS]

01:05:52   reading an article about the making of [TS]

01:05:54   this movie and simon pegg mentioned that [TS]

01:05:56   it's all prop beer because he doesn't [TS]

01:05:58   drink anymore and one of the you know [TS]

01:06:01   things about about gary is that he is a [TS]

01:06:03   you know complete mess and an alcoholic [TS]

01:06:06   and I gotta think that there is a you [TS]

01:06:09   know there's a a pretty personal story [TS]

01:06:12   going on in this in this movie about [TS]

01:06:15   this guy who's really messed up an [TS]

01:06:17   alcoholic and how you know it by the end [TS]

01:06:21   of the movie he doesn't drink anymore [TS]

01:06:22   and he's living a very different life [TS]

01:06:24   because there's been an apocalypse [TS]

01:06:26   because what happens in the movie but uh [TS]

01:06:29   I i was struck by that you know in the [TS]

01:06:32   midst of the action and the comedy there [TS]

01:06:34   is this core that never really drops [TS]

01:06:36   away that we see in the beginning of the [TS]

01:06:37   movie about how messed up this guy is [TS]

01:06:39   and I you know and we are following his [TS]

01:06:43   journey to being you know a different [TS]

01:06:44   person and a better person at the end [TS]

01:06:46   which I thought you know that didn't [TS]

01:06:47   need to be here for this to be a fun [TS]

01:06:49   ridiculous movie but it's there [TS]

01:06:52   well in the thing I like in all of these [TS]

01:06:54   space program at your space Sean hot [TS]

01:06:57   fuzz and World's End is that all of [TS]

01:07:00   these it in very different ways with [TS]

01:07:03   very different characters but they all [TS]

01:07:05   follow a protagonist who is missing [TS]

01:07:08   something [TS]

01:07:10   you know Nicholas angel is the perfect [TS]

01:07:11   cop but he's missing the humanity [TS]

01:07:13   sean is missing the full color of life [TS]

01:07:17   is kind of living in a black-and-white [TS]

01:07:18   world and Gary of course goes through [TS]

01:07:21   the biggest journey and the biggest [TS]

01:07:23   transformation of them all but they're [TS]

01:07:25   all missing something and by the end [TS]

01:07:27   they've they've achieved that which is [TS]

01:07:31   really interesting and I mean in some [TS]

01:07:33   ways its maturity but no no no most of [TS]

01:07:36   the most of the characters drop along [TS]

01:07:39   the way although in this case just being [TS]

01:07:43   being taken [TS]

01:07:44   there's a really nice moment where you [TS]

01:07:45   don't know whether that when they're [TS]

01:07:46   taken and replaced with robot duplicates [TS]

01:07:48   are they did and then when they get the [TS]

01:07:50   final to the World's End and talk to the [TS]

01:07:53   voice of the alien Network it's revealed [TS]

01:07:57   that their mulched so they are actually [TS]

01:07:59   10 yeah I was released I kept hoping [TS]

01:08:01   they would rescue martin freeman there [TS]

01:08:03   at the end but but but they've got his [TS]

01:08:07   uh but they've got his head half blown [TS]

01:08:08   off robot guy who turns out a so I'm [TS]

01:08:11   very good at selling real estate [TS]

01:08:13   yeah with his head blown off because [TS]

01:08:15   he's a robot i also love the the Chico's [TS]

01:08:18   rule again they named the movie the [TS]

01:08:20   world's end and you get the worlds in [TS]

01:08:23   yeah when they reach the the world's end [TS]

01:08:25   the world it actually and I'm unclear on [TS]

01:08:28   the fact of the world's end as a pub [TS]

01:08:30   also has a thing that lowers into the [TS]

01:08:33   floor to reveal the alien whatever but [TS]

01:08:36   at that point I'm like all right Kelly [TS]

01:08:38   already lost your your your body in it [TS]

01:08:40   point where the boss level I mean the [TS]

01:08:42   boss level it just does that because [TS]

01:08:44   this is the end you can you reach the [TS]

01:08:46   end reminds me of the movie Penn & [TS]

01:08:49   Teller get killed [TS]

01:08:50   which is by no means a great movie or at [TS]

01:08:53   all but at the end of the movie it [TS]

01:08:55   builds up to the point where lo and [TS]

01:08:57   behold they get shot in their killed and [TS]

01:08:59   is the camera pulls back and the credit [TS]

01:09:01   start rolling pendulums voice comes on [TS]

01:09:04   it goes [TS]

01:09:04   what did you expect we named the movie [TS]

01:09:06   pennant I had killed anything else would [TS]

01:09:08   be a cheat [TS]

01:09:09   I really love it what I really love [TS]

01:09:11   about the ending not necessarily the [TS]

01:09:13   Kota which we could talk about but I i [TS]

01:09:17   love the fact that when these guys [TS]

01:09:19   finally talked to the the network and [TS]

01:09:23   that this the whole point of this [TS]

01:09:24   horrible alien invasion is to socialize [TS]

01:09:29   us so that we play nice little more [TS]

01:09:31   nicely with others so that when earth [TS]

01:09:33   joins the interstellar you know [TS]

01:09:35   community we are better behaved because [TS]

01:09:38   we're kind of messed up and that's funny [TS]

01:09:41   and what's funnier is all of that you [TS]

01:09:44   know all these these guys say you know [TS]

01:09:47   basically screw you don't tell us what [TS]

01:09:50   to do [TS]

01:09:51   will be just as will be just as unruly [TS]

01:09:53   and dumb as we want to be and there's [TS]

01:09:56   that callback to the one we want to do [TS]

01:09:58   we want to drink me all that it's like [TS]

01:10:00   would be responsible and they basically [TS]

01:10:02   tell the alien Network of the galaxy two [TS]

01:10:06   to get a piss off and they do and they [TS]

01:10:10   end of human civilization as a result [TS]

01:10:13   which you know [TS]

01:10:14   yeah I was surprised by that choice at [TS]

01:10:17   the end but but i really like the idea [TS]

01:10:19   that that that people would say I mean [TS]

01:10:21   it seems like such human nature to me to [TS]

01:10:23   say oh hey aliens that's cool but you [TS]

01:10:26   what you want to change us [TS]

01:10:28   you wanna you know screw you we're going [TS]

01:10:30   to stay the same that's it you know that [TS]

01:10:31   it's gonna set this movie in New York I [TS]

01:10:33   think it would have been exactly the [TS]

01:10:34   same kind of beautiful big what some [TS]

01:10:36   alien comes in and tells me what to do [TS]

01:10:39   forget about yeah but then instead [TS]

01:10:40   they're like all right fine but then [TS]

01:10:42   you're gonna have no electricity or [TS]

01:10:44   metal and they make it work pretty well [TS]

01:10:47   because the throughout the whole movie [TS]

01:10:49   you find that that it's impossible to [TS]

01:10:51   argue with Kerry King and that [TS]

01:10:54   that's what what all right triggers [TS]

01:10:56   everything at the end because the the [TS]

01:10:58   the network is finally like I forget it [TS]

01:11:01   your ID you can yeah alright fine give [TS]

01:11:05   up and of course Bill Nighy again that's [TS]

01:11:07   the 1i again and that leads us to the [TS]

01:11:09   end end which is that we end up in this [TS]

01:11:11   post-apocalyptic world where there's no [TS]

01:11:13   electricity and it's and it's a and it's [TS]

01:11:16   the apocalypse and I you know it how's [TS]

01:11:18   that was a long that was a whole extra [TS]

01:11:21   thing where i'm like really all this way [TS]

01:11:23   I figured they'd just like blow up the [TS]

01:11:24   town and leave [TS]

01:11:25   I thought that was a kind of a funny [TS]

01:11:27   random ending [TS]

01:11:29   I've seen a couple people in the chat [TS]

01:11:30   room say that they felt like that was [TS]

01:11:31   kind of a like a cop-out ever minded you [TS]

01:11:34   have a fahrenheit 451 a little bit we're [TS]

01:11:37   all like sit around telling stories [TS]

01:11:39   around the fire right [TS]

01:11:41   you remind me of a boy and his dog this [TS]

01:11:44   one's name should remind you that no no [TS]

01:11:47   that's true [TS]

01:11:48   it did seem a little tact on which is [TS]

01:11:50   which was surprising because you know it [TS]

01:11:53   as we discussed like these guys don't [TS]

01:11:55   attack on anything like like everything [TS]

01:11:57   is so deliberate [TS]

01:11:59   I mean I think so i I've seen the movie [TS]

01:12:02   three times and it it kind of works a [TS]

01:12:06   little bit better when you see it again [TS]

01:12:08   and I should also recommend anybody like [TS]

01:12:11   you have to watch these movies many many [TS]

01:12:13   times because it really pays off but [TS]

01:12:17   still is especially the first time I was [TS]

01:12:19   like I was like oh ok so so they went [TS]

01:12:21   there they they did the full apocalypse [TS]

01:12:24   and now we're just going to have kind of [TS]

01:12:26   a voiceover here's what happened to this [TS]

01:12:28   person hears what happened at all the [TS]

01:12:29   robots are still alive even though the [TS]

01:12:32   aliens left which kinda doesn't make [TS]

01:12:33   sense but makes yeah yeah I i woulda [TS]

01:12:38   probably preferred an ending where they [TS]

01:12:39   blew up the town and they ended up sort [TS]

01:12:41   of sitting there at the end being like [TS]

01:12:42   well never come we can never go home [TS]

01:12:44   again you know or just we'll go back to [TS]

01:12:47   our lives and will be better people but [TS]

01:12:48   instead it was you know they wanted to [TS]

01:12:50   do an apocalypse thing but yeah it came [TS]

01:12:52   it kind of came out of left field didn't [TS]

01:12:54   think it was necessary but you know i [TS]

01:12:56   love the movie i loved the movie I i [TS]

01:12:59   want to say I it's rare that i come out [TS]

01:13:04   of a movie theater feeling as kind of [TS]

01:13:07   happy and entertained and delighted as I [TS]

01:13:11   did coming out of this because it was [TS]

01:13:13   the respectable in it but you know it's [TS]

01:13:14   a 20 million dollar movie it's not a [TS]

01:13:16   hundred-million-dollar movie it it's got [TS]

01:13:18   some spectacle but it's got humanity and [TS]

01:13:20   it's got laughs and and I its quirky and [TS]

01:13:23   weird and funny and plus it pushes all [TS]

01:13:25   the side buttons that that you know I I [TS]

01:13:27   enjoy seeing pushed and things blowing [TS]

01:13:30   up so I thought it was great and it has [TS]

01:13:32   amazing fight scenes me what what's [TS]

01:13:34   what's great is when two things one nick [TS]

01:13:38   frost turns out to be like like the the [TS]

01:13:40   super brawler that can take down you [TS]

01:13:42   know as many blanks or yes robots as [TS]

01:13:45   possible and and they actually make that [TS]

01:13:47   work because I mean Nick Frost is a big [TS]

01:13:50   guy and he does a lot of running and [TS]

01:13:51   you're sort of like all right that's [TS]

01:13:53   that's kind of a little bit you know [TS]

01:13:54   stretches the credibility except that [TS]

01:13:56   they make it clear early on that he was [TS]

01:14:00   like a big rugby player so you're like [TS]

01:14:01   okay so he's a rugby player was put on [TS]

01:14:03   some pounds who you know is is now older [TS]

01:14:05   but can totally kick butt when he needs [TS]

01:14:07   to [TS]

01:14:08   and also one of the things that they've [TS]

01:14:10   mentioned some of the interviews is when [TS]

01:14:13   they were choreographing the fight [TS]

01:14:15   scenes they're very much trying to [TS]

01:14:17   figure out like how would each of these [TS]

01:14:18   these actors do well in a fight scene so [TS]

01:14:22   it doesn't seem like you know you have [TS]

01:14:25   an actor who's fighting like suddenly [TS]

01:14:29   has you know superfight powers if as you [TS]

01:14:33   see in some movies and in some cases you [TS]

01:14:35   have like like anybody marcin who you [TS]

01:14:38   know that he doesn't fight at all eat [TS]

01:14:39   runs away and skulls on the ground and [TS]

01:14:42   so that it be [TS]

01:14:43   it really works and also works in the [TS]

01:14:46   sense that that the actors are doing a [TS]

01:14:48   lot of this like you see them in the [TS]

01:14:50   camera moves and you can see what's [TS]

01:14:52   going on again unlike many fight scenes [TS]

01:14:54   that are cut so quickly that your it's [TS]

01:14:56   just kind of a blur of fists and things [TS]

01:14:59   yeah I end and for me I agree with Jason [TS]

01:15:02   I came out of this feeling incredibly [TS]

01:15:04   positive about this and and I i did was [TS]

01:15:07   lucky enough to go see it with a you [TS]

01:15:08   know like probably close to a dozen [TS]

01:15:10   friends of mine some of whom I've known [TS]

01:15:11   for like 20 years so yeah there's I [TS]

01:15:14   think it definitely definitely shed some [TS]

01:15:17   light on it in some inputs an inch [TS]

01:15:19   testing perspective when you're saying [TS]

01:15:20   that I guess we kind of have you know [TS]

01:15:22   the exact same group of friends it's [TS]

01:15:24   been around for like 20 years with you [TS]

01:15:27   know with with our ups and downs and our [TS]

01:15:30   are complicated relationships but it was [TS]

01:15:33   still I really enjoyed it i found myself [TS]

01:15:35   I just looking back now and thinking [TS]

01:15:36   about it I just I felt like I was [TS]

01:15:38   laughing kind of non-stop through you [TS]

01:15:40   know a good portion of the second and [TS]

01:15:41   third acts i should also mention that [TS]

01:15:43   that Glenn freshman who who recommended [TS]

01:15:45   me for this podcast it's seen with him [TS]

01:15:47   was a hoot because basically like [TS]

01:15:49   through all the fight scenes he was [TS]

01:15:51   Kathleen like I've never seen it like he [TS]

01:15:54   literally almost fell out of his chair [TS]

01:15:55   in the theater [TS]

01:15:56   well i mean that's that's because Edgar [TS]

01:15:59   Wright's cousin once was a okay Lana [TS]

01:16:04   father's pet groomer so you know there's [TS]

01:16:08   a connection know it's a funny movie and [TS]

01:16:10   all the it works it all works right that [TS]

01:16:13   the the characters and the you know the [TS]

01:16:16   the more serious story that's happening [TS]

01:16:18   and the humor of it and then the [TS]

01:16:20   outlandish syfy which is handled in a [TS]

01:16:24   you know it's not it if people [TS]

01:16:26   nobody's as frightened of it is maybe [TS]

01:16:28   they would be in real life but it's [TS]

01:16:30   still handles sort of consistently and [TS]

01:16:32   so you end up with this really enjoyable [TS]

01:16:33   ride where I was never gonna be like [TS]

01:16:36   terrified or seriously worried about the [TS]

01:16:39   lives of the characters which turns out [TS]

01:16:41   i should have been in some cases is [TS]

01:16:42   because I was just enjoying the ride it [TS]

01:16:44   was a really nice package of things that [TS]

01:16:46   I don't you don't see these kind of [TS]

01:16:47   these movies are kind of a kind here and [TS]

01:16:50   you don't see a lot of movies like them [TS]

01:16:52   i think that's one of the remarkable [TS]

01:16:52   things about what these guys do is that [TS]

01:16:54   is that they're doing that whatever [TS]

01:16:57   ingredients they have in their recipe [TS]

01:16:59   book you know they're there they're [TS]

01:17:01   cooking with ingredients that other [TS]

01:17:03   people aren't I mean they these movies [TS]

01:17:06   feel similar in so many ways and I'm a [TS]

01:17:09   little surprised that other maybe it's [TS]

01:17:11   just not something we can be replicated [TS]

01:17:12   that that that we don't see it more [TS]

01:17:15   movies in this in this vein because [TS]

01:17:17   they're not super high budget they [TS]

01:17:19   combine these different elements of [TS]

01:17:21   humor and action and they work really [TS]

01:17:24   well [TS]

01:17:24   well I think we have to contribute some [TS]

01:17:26   of that to the filmmakers themselves [TS]

01:17:28   because unlike its it's very easy to say [TS]

01:17:32   i'm going to create [TS]

01:17:33   a low-budget films for India friendly [TS]

01:17:35   and I just haven't seen those movies I [TS]

01:17:37   mean I haven't seen they haven't ever [TS]

01:17:39   been knockoffs of these movies that have [TS]

01:17:41   just failed or is nobody even trying [TS]

01:17:43   because of these guys are the only guys [TS]

01:17:45   who can do it right [TS]

01:17:47   I i think it's it's a hard if they're [TS]

01:17:50   not formulaic right and so much of what [TS]

01:17:52   we see out of Hollywood is formulaic [TS]

01:17:53   that it there's a tendency to just sort [TS]

01:17:55   of like well just you know take the tick [TS]

01:17:57   the boxes and going numbers I i think if [TS]

01:18:00   you tried to pull off something that was [TS]

01:18:01   even intuitive this it would probably [TS]

01:18:03   fail just because it is in some way so [TS]

01:18:08   tied to who they are as people because [TS]

01:18:10   of all these things like these lodges [TS]

01:18:12   and these love you know [TS]

01:18:13   references to films and John rose and [TS]

01:18:16   stuff like that i think you know you do [TS]

01:18:18   see things occasionally that are of this [TS]

01:18:20   ilk but it's hard to get made to I think [TS]

01:18:23   because it's hard to sell somebody on it [TS]

01:18:24   and and you know even as a smaller movie [TS]

01:18:27   i think you know Edgar is at least as [TS]

01:18:29   established his his credit and simon [TS]

01:18:31   pegg certainly is become a a marketable [TS]

01:18:34   star in some ways I mean he's you know [TS]

01:18:36   in in Star Trek for for heaven's sake so [TS]

01:18:38   I think there is a kind of a perfect [TS]

01:18:40   storm of of factors there that they get [TS]

01:18:42   these movies made in the I mean you know [TS]

01:18:45   if the chief chief reason behind them is [TS]

01:18:47   because they're great and it's hard to [TS]

01:18:50   make a great movie of this sort I think [TS]

01:18:51   yeah well also they're all three of them [TS]

01:18:54   originated in the british film film [TS]

01:19:00   world they didn't start as Hollywood [TS]

01:19:02   films so that kinda helps to have a [TS]

01:19:05   little more freedom to be different [TS]

01:19:07   there at third as many people saying [TS]

01:19:10   well you know you need more aliens here [TS]

01:19:12   in a Benson Stephenson a what if there's [TS]

01:19:15   like a sex scene was known sit at the [TS]

01:19:18   pub pub come on they they try and have a [TS]

01:19:21   sexy but it doesn't go out so well for [TS]

01:19:23   them [TS]

01:19:23   yeah yeah I got your present now I mean [TS]

01:19:28   you look at Joe Cornish was kind of on [TS]

01:19:30   the fringe of their of their group [TS]

01:19:32   heated attack of the block which is in [TS]

01:19:35   some ways very similar to these films [TS]

01:19:37   and and very very clever which I I don't [TS]

01:19:40   know if anybody's seen it but it's it's [TS]

01:19:41   very it's a fun fun little film but [TS]

01:19:45   honestly [TS]

01:19:46   I'm trying to compare the closest thing [TS]

01:19:48   I can think of is like galaxy quest [TS]

01:19:50   which is like it's it's not even [TS]

01:19:53   remotely in the same field but it has [TS]

01:19:56   the same kind of playful fun [TS]

01:19:58   endologix without necessarily feeling [TS]

01:20:00   cookie cutter what's what's really cool [TS]

01:20:02   is Joe corner and adam buxton who [TS]

01:20:05   appears and he's in a noise and hot fuzz [TS]

01:20:07   that remote be in the other [TS]

01:20:09   yeah the two of them have have worked [TS]

01:20:12   together as a team on TV and radio over [TS]

01:20:16   in England and so they've been an [TS]

01:20:20   interesting stuff and joe cornish has [TS]

01:20:22   co-written the script for ant-man edgar [TS]

01:20:26   wright but they're supposedly making [TS]

01:20:29   soon so lastly out as we record this [TS]

01:20:32   yesterday at your right tweeted a [TS]

01:20:34   picture of ant-man from the set of and [TS]

01:20:36   now everyone's and everyone above which [TS]

01:20:38   is probably the wrong word but yeah last [TS]

01:20:41   weekend but everybody's uh whatever it [TS]

01:20:43   is a chance to my outline of my personal [TS]

01:20:46   healing food favorite a cameo is in hot [TS]

01:20:48   fuzz which i actually knew about but i [TS]

01:20:50   was reminded this time watching it the [TS]

01:20:51   Santa who stabs Nicholas angel in the [TS]

01:20:54   flashback yeah his Peter Jackson yeah [TS]

01:20:57   haha i love that that's great and it [TS]

01:21:00   Edgar Wright is a grocery stock boy and [TS]

01:21:04   I'm very very briefly shown Cape wages [TS]

01:21:06   places [TS]

01:21:07   Nicholas angels crime scene girlfriend [TS]

01:21:09   would never never seen or never seen the [TS]

01:21:13   face of it get tickets stars as as [TS]

01:21:16   famous as cate blanchett and put her in [TS]

01:21:18   a like crime CSI you know suit never [TS]

01:21:23   show her fits well from what i heard [TS]

01:21:26   that like like she was a big fan of Sean [TS]

01:21:28   of the Dead and wanted to be in the [TS]

01:21:29   movie but that was right when she was [TS]

01:21:31   really you know getting very very [TS]

01:21:33   popular and I think your agent was like [TS]

01:21:36   no no you're not going to do this little [TS]

01:21:38   cop movie and so she managed to to do it [TS]

01:21:41   i think if if she could hide her face [TS]

01:21:43   and not be listed in the credits because [TS]

01:21:46   she wanted to be in it right [TS]

01:21:48   I guess I love that they get these guys [TS]

01:21:50   that I had a brief moment like you know [TS]

01:21:52   brain fart moment when watching worlds [TS]

01:21:54   and because Pierce Brosnan's in it and [TS]

01:21:57   somehow I coalesced in with Timothy [TS]

01:21:58   Dalton might [TS]

01:21:59   like they got him back for this military [TS]

01:22:00   intelligence for my james bond james [TS]

01:22:03   bond is back in another movie which [TS]

01:22:05   james bond will be a man james bond will [TS]

01:22:07   return in yes Roger Moore will be around [TS]

01:22:11   but clearly shown Connery is hiding and [TS]

01:22:13   showing of the did some you gotta drag [TS]

01:22:15   child coming out of retirement [TS]

01:22:17   yeah yeah I just can't wait until what [TS]

01:22:21   they have next on the docket that's not [TS]

01:22:23   a pre pre generated series right like [TS]

01:22:28   ant-man is going to be all well and good [TS]

01:22:30   and rumors of a right taking on another [TS]

01:22:33   star trek film or a star wars heaven [TS]

01:22:35   forbid that would all be really really [TS]

01:22:37   awesome but I love their original films [TS]

01:22:40   so much and now that they've kind of [TS]

01:22:41   wrapped up the Cornetto trilogy i'm [TS]

01:22:43   really curious as to what they where [TS]

01:22:46   they want to go next yeah absolutely [TS]

01:22:49   yeah it's it's good stuff they should [TS]

01:22:52   they should keep I think there's a honky [TS]

01:22:53   proven there's an audience for these you [TS]

01:22:56   know reasonably priced movies so even [TS]

01:23:01   though they said they never there will [TS]

01:23:02   never go back two spaced-apart we can [TS]

01:23:05   still dream dream a little dream three [TS]

01:23:08   that the the the you know the the spirit [TS]

01:23:12   of space to live so does it does i'm [TS]

01:23:14   happy with that I'm happy that it lives [TS]

01:23:16   on it all alright well that that wraps [TS]

01:23:19   it up [TS]

01:23:20   we've done all we can do I think for [TS]

01:23:22   this time we didn't sadly we don't have [TS]

01:23:24   the budget to end this with a climactic [TS]

01:23:26   action sequence where all of us podcast [TS]

01:23:29   explode shoot at any aliens that are [TS]

01:23:33   coming through the podcast doors and [TS]

01:23:37   that's that's what radio theatre is yeah [TS]

01:23:39   we are gonna blow this thing wide out [TS]

01:23:41   but we don't get we got the radio so [TS]

01:23:44   crazy it just might work [TS]

01:23:45   that's right so I I all I have to do [TS]

01:23:48   instead of the climactic fight scene is [TS]

01:23:51   to thank my guests for being here to [TS]

01:23:52   talk about these fun movies jeff carlson [TS]

01:23:54   thanks for dropping in on an episode [TS]

01:23:56   that doesn't require you to appear live [TS]

01:23:58   on stage [TS]

01:23:59   thank you and you know we'll always have [TS]

01:24:01   the disableds did it now we'll probably [TS]

01:24:03   get complaints from people like like [TS]

01:24:05   we've seen about disabled people [TS]

01:24:07   no no here's the extra large bathroom [TS]

01:24:09   stall that's yes okay it's really called [TS]

01:24:12   well thank you [TS]

01:24:13   you player 2 has left the game David [TS]

01:24:18   lower thanks for being here thank you [TS]

01:24:21   i'm going to go in the backyard and [TS]

01:24:22   through some help ease now you're the [TS]

01:24:24   wax duplicate of game Auryn not the real [TS]

01:24:28   Dan more and this would explain how you [TS]

01:24:30   get ink all over your hands because [TS]

01:24:32   she'll just be careful real Dan Morgan [TS]

01:24:34   thank you for being here too and it's [TS]

01:24:36   always a pleasure [TS]

01:24:38   Jason what's the matter you never taken [TS]

01:24:39   a shortcut for this is one of your this [TS]

01:24:41   one of your favorites it is i know i got [TS]

01:24:44   to be here [TS]

01:24:44   yeah and thanks everybody out there in [TS]

01:24:47   podcast land for listening to the [TS]

01:24:48   uncomfortable as always I've been your [TS]

01:24:50   loyal faithful host Jason smell and [TS]

01:24:53   we'll see you next time [TS]