00:00:04 ◼ ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/10">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► about bhaijaan siracusa the founder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/15">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► Benjamin today is November 18th to 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► I want to say thanks to our two sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/27">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► Shopify calm and squarespace.com we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/30">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► to say thanks to reinvigorate dotnet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► providing sponsor for the bandwidth for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► the show real-time web stats and heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► maps promo code 5x5 will give you 10% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► off life your account reinvigorate net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► use those guys love them John Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► are welcome back are you ready I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► ready I think I'm ready we'll see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► no I I've got I've got to tell you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► to tell you last week's last week's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/66">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► oddly positive feedback about this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/74">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► criticism to compliments and usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► they're by the same people but I will I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► will tell you this I'm going to throw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► okay I'm ready to date hypercritical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/93">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► hypercritical number 42 if I can if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► can spell it right I can do the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► search for it has I mean that do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► want to do any guess at this what am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► guessing up the number of downloads oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► you're gonna take again I'll save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► I'll save it for later all right I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► yeah you don't tell me download numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► routinely so I have no idea what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► averages or whatever right so yeah I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► be I think the reaction to the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► was overwhelmingly positive and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► that is surprising cuz you're right most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/143">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► of the shows it's like there there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► strong contingent of people who disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► I think I don't know what it was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► this one but that the thing I saw on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► this show was that most of the feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► that I got or yeah there was a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► feedback and most of it didn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/159">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► through the five by five feedback form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► normally it's like after each show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/162">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► majority the feedback it comes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► that form this time the stuff that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► through that form is still positive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► I got lots of like lots of email Tamar's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► Technica email ideas lots of stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► Twitter that was just replying to me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/174">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► were included in all those Suzy didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► you see like a lot more Twitter feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/177">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► this time and got yeah a lot yeah so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► was uh very positive but um this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► this is going to be still about the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► by over people who are wondering and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► the follow up is going to be about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► previous show on the jobs file it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► not to make this show 100% just a meta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/194">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► previous show I will try to avoid that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► and just make it 50% about that so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/200">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► go because I want to oh I won't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► run out of time so the people who gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► positive feedback they were not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► I'm kind of lumping them to a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/212">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► categories first there were the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► who you know the usual people respected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► people agree with you they they disliked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► the book for the same reasons that I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► they're like you like the or someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► audience so that was a big chunk of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► people with positive feedback like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► that's just what I was thinking right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/226">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► right uh then there was people who read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► the book and were not blown away by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► but couldn't put their finger on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► the problem was and listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► dissatisfaction or highlighted one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/238">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► aspect of their dissatisfaction then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/241">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► there was a pretty large group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/244">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► who just like hearing me complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► stuff at which which makes sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► you figure if you're gonna be a longtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► listener of my podcast you would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► know you would be the type person whom I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► like hearing me complain about stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► they it I think they'll be just as happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► whatever ah they were they thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► was fun because I was worked up about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► right or on fire was the term that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► a lot siracusa was on fire on that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/265">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► episode and you're right I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/269">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► are a handful of people who just very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► simply they just enjoyed hearing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► express your strong emotion about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► topic right was that simple they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/280">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► they didn't care what what the topic was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► it just so happened that they'd love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► hear your album and I am certain I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► hearing other people other podcasts do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/291">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► that so I understand that sentiment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/292">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► finally mixed to rap this group or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► people this is all the positive people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/296">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► by the way were the people who had their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► own complaints they would be like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► everything you said and and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/301">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► would list all the things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► didn't like about the book in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► a lot of people wanted to show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► little niggly things that they happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► notice that I didn't mention the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► made a few notes of a couple of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► I'm sorry didn't remember the people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/314">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► names but it was a lot of feedback one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► person said did you notice that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/318">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Bavaria I didn't know this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/324">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► don't know much about a German geography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► a couple people complain that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► audio book version which I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/331">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► listened to that the audio book person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► pronounces Mac os10 as Mac OS X but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► I got one person who complained that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► audio book said Mac OS 10 instead of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► OS X so I don't know what the audio book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► actually says but you know one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► complained that they misspelled the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► akido they forgot an eye in there which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► seems strange because he figured I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► that's not a spellcheck wouldn't catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► spellcheck but yeah so a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/358">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► wanted to share their own opinions so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► that's pretty much how the the positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/361">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► negative feedback there was a large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► because it was overwhelmingly positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/371">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► there was still more negative feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► than usual in terms in raw numbers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/374">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► know so there was like a 100 tweets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► negative ones but 10 is more than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/381">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► normally get the the main thing I saw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/382">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► the negative feedback is it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/387">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► wonder if it's even possible to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► about something you don't like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and then later give a big long list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► without anyone who listens to it who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► disagrees with you deciding that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► you're saying is because of the nitpicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► that's why you know that's the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► this thing stinks doesn't it baby things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► right and I tried so hard to separate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► in the past show like I did the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/413">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► part of you here's why I think there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► a problem with the book there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► wasted opportunity blah blah and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► said okay and now here's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/420">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► nitpicky stuff trying to separate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/421">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► so that people don't think that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► nitpicky things are the main primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► reason why this book is bad as a lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/429">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► people were arguing into position I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► little errors like that don't make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/433">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► you know and it's just very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► I mean I don't think I could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► more clear and maybe I could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► more clear but I really tried to hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► home you know here is why I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► book is not successful as it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► been and then also hears these nitpick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► and so maybe it's just like no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► what I said once I started doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► list people either just not interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► in the first things that I had to say or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► just bounced off them and then once they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/462">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► got to the nitpicky stuff since they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► disagree with me like these are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/465">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► who like the book or disagree with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/466">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► opinion of it they're going to latch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/468">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► to that because it's easy to to attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► right or and some people just don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► nitpicking like you know they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► don't like people picking that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► thing and I have to wonder if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► like nitpicking while you listen to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► called hypercritical I mean it maybes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► new listeners I to be fair a lot this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► got spread around a lot so a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► people listening may have been listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► for the first time they didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► it's not you know they have a valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/490">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► opinion if you don't like listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/492">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► someone complain this is not the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► for you I'm sorry uh but you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► recap for the people who listening now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/500">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► nitpicks are not the reason that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► not the primary reason that i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► fault with this book was mostly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/508">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► opportunity for a complete scholarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/514">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► biography of a really important man and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► squandered by the author because what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► human-interest summary of his life with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► not a lot of original investigation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► research and the examples I gave that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► the last show how come like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► part was better because he had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► Paul from and he didn't seem to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/532">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► curious about lots of topics and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► go through them and there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/535">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► particularly wrong with a sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► know shallow human interest summary like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► biography but there's definitely a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► for those and some people like those and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► he said this is exactly what I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and I got what I wanted my complaint is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► that you know if you want to write one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► of those don't be the one guy who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► access to Steve Jobs because Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/556">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► was so private and didn't allow people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► in this was this is a unique singular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► opportunity that was squandered that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► complained about the book now later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► in this very podcast I'm going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► more about those nitpicky things don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► forget this part people that I said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► is the reason this is the primary reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/574">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► why I think the book was not successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/576">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► I will still talk about the Netflix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► I think they were they did have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/579">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► primary importance they're not even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/582">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► you eliminated all of them I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► that I would be happy with the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► they're just a symptom of a larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/588">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► problem so now let me let me clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► isn't the real reason that you are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/593">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► upset about this book isn't the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► reason that you are simply bitter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► you were not selected to write it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/603">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► something that a lot of people if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/607">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► hear someone complain about stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► kind of kind of gets back to the Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/612">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► Jobs attack on that guy or sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► see the movie critics to where they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► what have you done this so great or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► where's your movie you're criticizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► this movie what let me see the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► movie that you've made the idea that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► can't criticize something without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► the ability to do it better right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/629">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► that the flip side of that is that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► you hear someone critter says something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/632">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► and you agree with him you're like boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/633">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► that guy sure knows what's wrong you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► know I agree with that guy about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► was wrong with this thing since he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► so much about what's wrong with it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/640">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► means he could make a better thing so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/641">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► should the ability to understand what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/642">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► wrong with something has very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/645">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► relation direct correlation with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► ability to do a better thing my case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► case in point Roger Ebert I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► that guy's made a lot of movies but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/652">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► should know the beyond the valley of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/653">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► dolls anyone the chat room know that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► perhaps not the greatest movie ever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► know but but he sure does know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► good well I don't that's all set for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Robert e Rene Candela journaling visa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► eternal and tunngle me yeah I oh yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► I understand the sentiment of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► people but I've never written a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/674">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► writing a book is really hard you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► it took two years this wasn't his main I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► don't think it was as Isaac's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/679">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► main job for two years but it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► years you know of pretty steady work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► tons of interviews and talking to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► and I don't think he did a good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► job and didn't do it thoroughly enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/689">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► so to do a really good job you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► send me back in time multiple years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► somehow support me for for multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► years of intensive research and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► still probably do a cruddy job as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► would be my very first book that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► ever written so just because you agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► with me about what's wrong with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► think that I you know I was right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► that doesn't mean I could do a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► job and so the flip side of that is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► I'm not angry because I think I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► have done a better job and well I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/713">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► someone should have done a better job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/719">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► and at some points I was so angry that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► actually I could have done a better job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/724">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► I think I mentioned that in the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► show but that's just like that's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► kind of silly it's just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► you get so angry this something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► this is so bad even I could've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► about it using me as an example to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/733">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► how horrible it is that even someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► with no experience seems like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/737">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► have done right but really writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► book is very difficult um so a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► the reactions I saw from the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/745">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► agreed with me were like I was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► forward to reading this book but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► that I heard the show I'm not looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► forward to it or I was going to get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► book for Christmas or I had an order and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► I cancelled my order for the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► some other people were asking like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► these bad things do you think I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/758">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► still read the book uh I think I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► any other show but I'll make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► there's information in this book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► can't be felt found elsewhere because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► had exclusive access to Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► nobody else did and complete access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► right and well you can't find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► information anywhere else except perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► interview with the author because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► tends to pull out the the juiciest bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► juiciest butt so I guess you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► the information that way but most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/786">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► stuff is in the you know that the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/788">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► previously it was very little reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► because apples just sort of so private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and all the employees were so private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/798">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► after that fact so if you are excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► about this book you should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► still get it because where else are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► going to get that information I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► it's something is better than nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► reading a shallow book with with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/810">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► new information is better than not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► having an information at all right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► you want more or better information read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/816">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► a whole bunch of the other books of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► Isaacson pulled from right I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► infinite loop in the plat in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► show revolution in the valley Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► confidential maybe even something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► the second coming of Steve Jobs or one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► of those other Steve Jobs because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► whole bunch of the most of them are kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► of trashy but and if you want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/834">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► really deep you can go to like Scully's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/835">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► book Odyssey or Emilio's book on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► firing line just to get all sides of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► story if you really just want to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► know know everything you could possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/842">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► know about it but if you just want an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► overview I would say read infinite loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► for early Apple stuff and for for later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► Apple stuff what choices do you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► only people that Apple employees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/851">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► Steve Jobs himself decided to talk to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► so just because I think the book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► disappointing in a wasted opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► doesn't mean you should not buy the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► if you're interested in this information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► podcast get the book anyway because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► knowing something is better than knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/866">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► see I'm gonna get to this follow up come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/872">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► on hmm so the nitpickers then picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/873">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► objectors people who don't like Vinit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► picking I already went over that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► know this is not the main reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► didn't like the book but now I do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► to actually discuss the nitpicking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/895">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► again try not to lose sight of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► context related picking them and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► might spot it so my question for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► anti nitpicking people is what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► errors are permissible in a book of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► type like in a biography you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► some might say if someone got a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/915">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► wrong by a day like it was April 22nd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► April 21st that's missile glare right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► if someone misspelled someone's name or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► a proper proper noun or something as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► talking about that's permissible type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► I think we can all agree that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► there's always going to be errors in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► some errors are not worth getting worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► up about right that's kind of the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► of the anti nitpicking people's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► these are these errors don't change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/942">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► content or meaning of the book right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► shouldn't get worked up about them my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► question on that concept is given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► concept of permissible errors is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► count limit beyond which those formerly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► permissible what if every proper noun in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► the book was misspelled what if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► misspelled differently each time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/960">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► could still tell who it was right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► like that there has to be a a limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► because if literally every proper noun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► incorrect different way every time even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► if you could 100% understand who they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► you'd be annoyed by it right obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► these are extreme said one extreme is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/975">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► like one or two errors that no one cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► massive number and these are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► types of errors very you know the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► on quote permissible errors all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► that's the first point I want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► that no matter how minor the error the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► meaningful right the second point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► wanna make is the the whole notion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/995">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► people said well the of course there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► as the book was rushed out right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► I've heard that a lot that that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► people this was real the book was rushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► how can you blame him why why be angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► at him the book was rushed right I'm she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► presumably rushed being up because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► died and they thought he would live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► longer you know the right someone's over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► all right so my question on that is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► right so does that does that make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► errors okay does that make errors that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► would formerly not be permissible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► suddenly permissible because the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► was rushed and it was a example I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► thinking of like say say you hired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► someone to paint in your house and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► house painters got paint all over your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► window glass and someone says hated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► painters do a good job and you say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► what's the answer did the really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► job well they were in a hurry right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► so and the other thing is someone sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► me just before the show a link to a New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► York Times that interview with Isaacson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► and the New York Times asked did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► publish the book early because you knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► mr. jobs is going to die and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► isaacman said is the book was done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► June I talked to my publishers and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► couldn't quite figure out when to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► publish it there was no hard-and-fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► publication date so we sat decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► set a date when Steve stepped down a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► in August and I said the end of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► was different then it was him leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► Apple of course than the end had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► changed so it seems like the only part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► change in a rush job was the ending part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► like the very ending you know like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► he's not just leaving he's actually uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► how died so I would include a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► cancer chapters in the later parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► the book so I don't know maybe maybe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► was done with it in June the editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► wasn't done I don't know but either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► it was rushed is not it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► doesn't change the the nature of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► errors to be more permissible you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► it's just an excuse it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► the house painters who were in a hurry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► painting the house and and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► about biography is like if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► care if you don't care about factual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► errors in a biography what do you care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► about what are you looking for in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► biography obviously again there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► errors that are that seem minor and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► are permissible but the the number and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► severity of factual errors in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► regardless of the cause though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► rushed or whatever it'll be fixed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► later versions it it lessens the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► of the books it makes it a worse book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► but one of the important things Barger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► we should get right is the facts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► person's life what they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and the facts aren't just how things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► spelled but you know significant factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► of you who dread what to did what on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► what date you know product decisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► what they you know evolved in classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► Mac OS versus going with the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► operating since like they the eras in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► this book escalated way beyond what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► would consider permissible and of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► quote unquote permissible errors there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► was a large number of them so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► this lessens the quality of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► again this is not why the book the major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► reason that the book was disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► to me but it's like a symptom of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► problems and it you know it's a demerit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► it's it counts in the negative column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► for a biography and it's you know be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► sort of apologist for this book I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► look what their motivation is but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► it's okay to have lots of factual errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► in a biography not a big deal it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► rushed I just don't get that mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► horrible and you should never read it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► just said that you should read this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► get the information out of it and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► may read it enjoy it because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► exactly what they're looking for I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► think it's a missed opportunity because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► it was a unique opportunity so we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► some misinterpretations of what I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► had a section on the last podcast it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I thought that was like sufficiently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► tongue-in-cheek and procedures that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► people would understand that I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► actually saying that Steve Jobs is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► enemy of progress it was supposed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► title supposed to be you know funny when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► I was mostly there was poking holes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► the idea the Steve Jobs on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► side of every important decision that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► Apple made right biggest here were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► concrete examples of where he was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► wrong side and had to be convinced and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► lot of people said well yeah he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► be convinced but he was successfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► convinced and eventually it gave in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► the people who want to gather way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► well isn't it better to be on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► side and not have to be convinced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► especially doing in a big pouty way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► you you jerks fine we'll do iPod on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► windows uh but yes to his credit he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► he did allow the stuff even when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► disagree with he allowed himself to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► convinced by the other people around him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► and people say yes that shows his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► brilliance I just think there's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► when I was may important section was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► sort of the anti deification of jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► where some people think that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► he does is exactly right and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► carefully planned and even like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► refusal of an idea was just his way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► challenging people beneath him like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► is like he's never wrong he's infallible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► everything even when he seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► wrong he's really using his wrong as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► manipulate other people into having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► stronger arguments against them and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► just you can turn any argument into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► know that to support your opinion the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► Steve Jobs was infallible because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► could say well everything he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► worked out well in the end right I I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► obviously he's like the greatest CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► ever in terms of results he turned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► company around oh he's arguing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► fax that's why the title Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► enemy of progress is supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► ridiculous and you know but it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► think this is something you get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► the this it the the information in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► book that there were some situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► where he did things wrong someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► written through the chat room says uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► challenging me to find a single example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► of anyone who says Jobs was infallible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► like I'm setting up a strong man for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► this but the people who ride in are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► taking these examples were jobs on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► wrong side of decision and using them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► evidence that Steve Jobs wasn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► on the wrong side of the thing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► you know a way that he was using to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► help make people have stronger arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► and really he was on the right side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► better arguments those people didn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► that he was infallible but that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► convoluted logic makes me think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► they're going to every argument they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► have is going to be in support of the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► of the premise that he was correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► because that's quite a way to bend over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► backwards when there's like clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► evidence that he just didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► something that was obviously turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► convinced the other way so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► trying to set up a straw man here I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► just saying like when you see someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► contortions to support this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► notion you have to think well is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► anything he could do that you would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► you would admit was you know a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► or something so all right I've got those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► people a big theme that a Gruber brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► up in on the talk show and I've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► lot of email about from a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► was from both people who liked the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► and people who didn't like the book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► the idea that either way uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► jobs pick this guy uh and maybe he knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► what he was getting maybe he picked this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► guy because he knew what kind of book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► Isaac summoned right and he wanted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► kind of book right and that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► going a little bit more into detail is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► characteristic fashion understood very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► clearly exactly what Isaacson's skillset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► and weaknesses were and that he selected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► him as opposed to any of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► people that we mentioned on any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► other shows or you because he knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► this is exactly the kind of book that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► would write and this is the kind of book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► he wanted to leave behind for the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► yes and and I think it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► because like I said people who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► like the book and people who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► didn't like the book both offered this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► theory the first thing I would say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► this theory is I think it smells a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► little bit like to me another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► the you know the cult of jobs where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► everything he does is like a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► master plan and he's infallible and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► you know he exactly knew what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► book this guy would write you know or he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► picked them because he knew he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► manipulate him into writing the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► that he wanted despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► jobs insisted that he never be seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► see anything in the book have no limits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► on what it accesses or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► still he just knew like byte by picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► this guy he could see the future the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► farfetch'd the Steve Jobs would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► that he could do that in far-fetched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► that he would be successfully pull it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► priscilly premise of infallibility which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► if anything should be cut down by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► the rest of this book showing how human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► Steve Jobs really was oh now there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► possibility that he thought whoever he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► picked that jobs thought he could steer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► the conversation a certain way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► he's you know master manipulator in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► own mind and in in reality in many cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► right uh and so he had to know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► like you know Isaacson is kind of a news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► magazine type guy from time he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► knew the type of stuff he would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► believing that like the what the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► thing I'll give Isaacson credit for is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► that I think if Jobs tried to refuse to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► talk about a certain topic or like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► know just fenced him off and didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► did type of invasive stuff you do when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► you have a report like say reporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► talking to a politician the reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► tries to nail him down if the reporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► Stonewall's on something you know if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► subject stone walls in something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► something that Isaacson would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► written about he would have been like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► tried to talk the jabs about what's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► thing I thought was really important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► he still in Walled me so I had to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► around him and I had to press him on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► I had to find out like that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► reporter chasing a story so I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► hard time believing that Isaacson was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► thwarted by jobs either by jobs telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► people not to talk to him or refusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► you know like there was some hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► agenda that I said wouldn't write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► that because that's his bread and butter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► the press saying I tried to get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► information but they love you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► in 60 minutes they love showing you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► the door slammed in their faces or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► whatever like that's just solid regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► you know TV magazine news reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► there's no way that Isaacson would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► would have been subjected to that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► everything he said at face value he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► complete access job said nothing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► off-limits he was allowed to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► everybody all evidence points to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► all rationality points to that so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► that's the case I don't think that Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► could have manipulated the content in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► any real way given the universal access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► and given the fact that the jobs never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► pressed back on it right but still you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► cuz I find so maybe maybe that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► the beauty of manipulation Isaacson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► didn't even know he's been he thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► during him in a certain direction all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► right so my second answer to the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► jobs pick this guy because he wanted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► this way is either way the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► believe he did it or didn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► successful or wasn't you say the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► thing about the Star Wars special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► editions in the prequels George Lucas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► wanted to display this doesn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► good that you know is again it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► cult of jobs well because jobs wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► this way you know therefore it is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► no I don't really care what jobs wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► him like he wanted this book to but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► know obviously he gets to pick who he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► historical figure I am disappointed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► I didn't get a better more thorough more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► thoroughly researched biography with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► access to the actual person and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► all the people involved right so if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► makes you feel better about it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► maybe you also feel better about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► special editions of Star Wars in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► prequels because George Lucas Lando [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► because trust me George Lucas wanted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► that way this is no good alright finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► a specific issue and the show I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► talking about PA semi and about I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► tried to be uh I try not to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► sound like I was sure about this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► I wasn't I kept saying didn't they hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► it want PA semi to make them PowerPC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► chips you know again I said in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► that the book said they made the a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and I'm like yeah that that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► reasonable to me but then they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► make PowerPC chips and how'd that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► out like there's some big store with P a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► semi that I remember seeing rumors of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► and I would have liked it if the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► with access to all the actual people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► including Steve Jobs himself would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► expanded on that story as an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► that's another interesting I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► liked to have seen there is we saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► little bit in the early chapters about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► jobs and Alisa team and how like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► are even if you were in the same company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► if you weren't on his team you were kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► of like on the outs and I would kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► canned half the Lisa team and just those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► were the loser guys because they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► it's like you're not with me you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► against me even within the same company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► I would have loved to have seen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► modern era how how that worked when for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► example Apple purchased another company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► but those were all outsiders and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► know how did they assimilate into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► team like it at that point the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► company was Steve Jobs his team and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► you buy PA semi with these other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► who were on Apple employees you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► how it was he more accepting that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► integrate them into the fold or was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► just unforgiving like those were all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1738">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► losers and he fired most of them just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► like I wanted to know more about pxm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► abuse I thought oh but it was it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► important part of the history of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► company it would have been illuminating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► to Steve Jobs character uh but in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► of the specific case of me thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► they were they were purchased to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► PowerPC chip that chronology was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► because PA semi was bought in 2008 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► the Intel transition was over by 2006 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► now PA semi originally did make a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► of PowerPC chips or maybe they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► reference designs or something uh and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► the rumors I think were like that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► was interested in what PA semi was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► kind of in a vague way because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► just desperate for anyone to make a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► PowerPC chip for them there you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► wanted IBM to do it and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► Motorola was dropping the ball you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► so way back before PA semi was purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► they may have been some rumors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► interest revolving around a PowerPC chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► from P SME for apples purposes but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► was never gone into in the book and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► it's all just rumors so finally we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► resume where I left off pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► 12:30 resume where I left off in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► last show oh if I could find my spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► here all right I read off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► sections the sections I had remaining in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► the last show and I added one to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► of it first what they wanted to sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► before I go into this in part of the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► you may alright if if I may we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► like to say thank you to our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► sponsor it is squarespace.com the secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► behind exceptional websites I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► if I told you this John I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► bringing backs and my older older sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► them and thinking man I you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► want to totally get rid of these what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► can I do with them and I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► turning a Squarespace because I'll tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► completely managed environment for very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► quickly creating beautiful website a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► they host everything there on a grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► they scale there in the cloud all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► that so it's you don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► about servers or uptime or getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► linked by daring fireball it all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► is just handled if you like designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► websites you can you have full and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► complete control over the HTML and CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► you don't even know what CSS stands for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► it doesn't matter you can click and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► point and amazing things will happen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► can pick from there they just released a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► whole bunch of new fresh designs and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► templates that you can check out all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► this is included this is an extra this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► doesn't cost any more and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► but here's here's the really cool thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► all you need to do is click in a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► places and you can get full integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► whether it's analytics whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► integrating Twitter whatever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► do and they can import your existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► blog typically in like one step they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► even bring over the images they copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► your posts they make sure all the links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► work you can try them out for free for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► two weeks 14 days you don't need to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► give them a credit card but if it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► out that you like them you can get 20% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► off for six months how do you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► you go to squarespace.com slash 5x5 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► once you're there you use the coupon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► code in motion chip 11 so emotion chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► spelled out and then the number 11 then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► you'll get 20% off for six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► Squarespace com that's reliable Kieran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► Haley in the chatroom pointed out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► other aspect of the theory that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► jobs picked this guy on purpose because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► he knew what you'll be getting the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► theory is that it's it's part of jobs as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► character as part of his vanity that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► wanted to pick the guy who also had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► biographies of Einstein at Franklin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► which is kind of a it's believable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► then again someone with such amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► attention to detail I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► hard it's hard to figure out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► obviously I think he picked the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► guy for the purpose of history and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► you know all for the good of all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► as readers right I would be interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► to see if he read the book if when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► finished with it if he was still alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► if he thinks he picked the right guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► terms if he got what he wanted again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► don't think him getting what he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► it changes my opinion of the end result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► one way or the other because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► really care what he wanted my biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► is not about you know supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► about it historical record or understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► the person it's not about satisfying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► person the biography is about right so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► lot of people have asked uh you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► should have written it and we made you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► know we're talking about like when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► in the depths of my despair about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► that like anybody anybody I knew had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► written anything online could be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► better job because they would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► that was actually quote from this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► this New York Times one on one is full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► where is this quote so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► questions was to Isaacson do you worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► that your name will always be linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► Steve Jobs and Isaacson says no that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► will pass I have a very life Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► was just one of many biographies I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► written which is true and that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► reason I thought that any any random you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► know Apple fan on the web who can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► would have not considered the Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► bio just being like now it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► another thing I'm doing right they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► have just been hard core completely into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► maybe they wouldn't have done a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► job either but I'm just saying like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► that's that's emblematic of one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► main complaints about the the bio is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► that it just it didn't seem like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► deal for him and he didn't treat it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► seriously as I thought he should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► been going to depth he said I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► have so so seriously speaking you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► who should have written this who's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► know who would have done a better job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► now I don't read a lot of bar if he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► only read a handful in my life but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► knew right away like even before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► started reading the book when I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► there's going to be official jobs bio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► like I you know I had fantasies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► this would be the person to do it so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► favorite biography that I've ever read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► is the power broker by Robert Caro it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► my favorite biography for many reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► many of which may not necessarily be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► relevant appeal first of all I grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► on Long Island which is where the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► takes place it's a biography of Robert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► infrastructure in the Long Island New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► York metro area in terms of making roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► and bridges and parks and everything my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► transportation in New York State I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► know I love the beaches of Long Island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► and the parkways that he's made and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► Robert Moses is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► beaches you know in the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► so obviously I'm predisposed to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► this book but it's not just me I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► that Robert Caro run pealed surprise for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► this biography and also Robert Caro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► best known I think are most known now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► for doing a an insane biography of is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► Lyndon Johnson command I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► liked this yes he's in the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► doing a multi-volume giant biography of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► one of the Lyndon Johnson I believe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► but the power book was just about one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► guy's about a thousand page book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► it's if it's very it's kind of dry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► everyone go out and read the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► broker because it's a thousand pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► about a biography of a person you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► probably never heard of uh and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► into insane detail every angle every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► aspect of this person's life is export [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► explored you know ten ways to son of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► person who's ever known ever talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► him ever work to him anyone involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► extensively reported and catalogued and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► described and there is an overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► narrative to it which people do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► again it is a thousand thousand page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► book so it may be tough to get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► but one of the reasons people seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► love the power broker is that karo does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► weave a narrative through it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► mentioned the previous thing the Isaacs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► and you know you can do a biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► where you just sort of report the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and you can do one where you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► an editorial opinion I and I complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► about Isaacson because he mostly stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► out of it and then just doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► little jabs that were not supported karo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► takes the approach of he's got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► opinion of of the life of Robert Moses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► he's got a story he's got a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► these built and he hasn't then he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► come in with the narrative he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► come in and say here's what I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► think Robert Moses is a jerk and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► going to build a book around that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► arrived at the narrative but is studying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► the life extensively and then weave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► narrative into it to help you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► the significance of every event and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► was influenced by the character the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► person how it changed the character of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► the person so that's why people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► love this biography it was finished in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► 1974 so it's a very old book and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► talks about events that were happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► before then Robert Moses I think died in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► like the early 80s so Robert Moses was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► and if you read this book like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► really want to know what do I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► rant biography has read this book it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► thousand pages when you're done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► that I hope you'll understand what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► in my dreams I expected out of Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► Jobs with a job biography right ah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► this is that's the type of person to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► it that's the type of thing I wanted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► when you get done with that book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► interviews with Robert Moses you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► that booking like this is from seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► interviews now how many interviews do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► you think that I just think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► Steve Jobs I think he said some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► forty or more so it sounds about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► like a huge number of inches with Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► Jobs and you can be like 40 interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► equals the islands in book and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► seven interviews equals this giant thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► like no wait well it's because he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► it just take from Robert Moses Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► Robert Moses was kind of like Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► and he wasn't like but it was different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► in Rob Moses doesn't like come write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► biography of me you know was not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► gung-ho for the whole thing it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► of more of an adversarial relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► uh it wasn't it was the it was not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► the jobs thing so that's why there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► fewer interviews but did that stop him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► did he say well I won't get seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► interviews and this buddy told me so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► it's all I can write about no he did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► legwork for years and years of legwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► to just find out everything you possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► know it's kind of like a biography of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► historian where the everyone's dead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► it's that combined with all the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► what if everyone's still alive because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2338">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► the people were still alive for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► part he talked to everyone involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► everyone and just did his homework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► just made so much more insightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► compelling informative educational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► biography than this I see something now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► this is the feeling this is a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► standard also it should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► appealed surprise printing a biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► by Robert Caro of you know high bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► understand that and maybe the Lyndon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► Johnson thing is too much because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► like you know uh multiple volumes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► think it's not done but uh if anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► wants to read a great biography read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► power broker and maybe if it was half as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► good as that I would have been ecstatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► if it was but the in my dreams that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► what the jobs buy it would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► like some of the chat room ask how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► interviews I would have done with Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► Jobs yeah I was going to ask that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► many as I possibly could I mean why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► again I think you quoted it 40 I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► remember reading 40 interviews or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► considering that do you think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► interviews were limited uh by Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► or do you think that that Isaacson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► simply felt that he had enough or or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► why why were there as many as forty or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► the flipside why were there only 40 well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► I have to think that the major limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► factor was Steve Jobs his schedule is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► like how much you know he's sick he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► got two companies to run it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► hard to get on his schedule at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► uh but on the flip side of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► wasn't like he had three months to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► this and had to jam all the interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► had two years he seems like he even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► he wasn't like interviewing him in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► like one-on-one he seems like he spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► lot of time with them like he was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► them he was hanging out right is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► know this is my bar for he's just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► to come with me I'm not sitting down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► talking to him in a Q&A session but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► they're seeing stuff happen right uh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► interviews it's seen I'll bet that's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► many as they could get he get on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► schedule and and you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► if he was doing this as a full-time job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► Isaacson was doing his full-time job so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► maybe he had other things to do too uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► you know I bet when Robert kara was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► riding the power broker I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► he was doing other things too I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► know how many years it took but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► know you tried to get as many interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► as you possibly can if you can't get him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► with the guy you talk with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► people so I don't I don't you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► I'm really contrasting the book with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► it's not not saying that he didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► enough interviews or just that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► guess he he squandered his time in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► interviews because it or overestimated I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► don't know it seems like he with 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► interviews worth of material he came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► with a book that was such a pale shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► of a thing that only had five interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► with the subject an adversarial chub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► ejected that what what the power broker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► kind of shows is that you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► great biography with minimal access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► the guy but having some access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► guy is better than none at all and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► reason I had even higher standards to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► the jobs bio is because I think jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► isn't more important figure in history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► than Robert Moses and you had unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► access to it so it should have been just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► been a bonanza right because you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► unlimited access to the other non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► workers you know the people most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► are still alive yeah and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► stopping you from talking to them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► know we do the legwork and get them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► on top of that you have basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► unlimited access to jobs limited only by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► your schedules together it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► he's refusing to talk to you and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► so yeah I don't think it was a count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► thing so on to the unto the next section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► in my tale on that now people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► thinking oh I want here part two where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► you just complain about the books more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► maybe I kind of just did that a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► bit but mostly when I read off those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► headings this I'm gonna be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► the content of the book finally you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► those headings that I read last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► we're about things that were in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► so this is going to be more talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► hopefully more talking about jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► himself and less talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► author and the whole process of writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► because there was new information in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► this book as I said he was the only guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► with access he got stuff that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► didn't get because he's going when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► jobs talk to the first section is a jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► the TV watcher this is something a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► of people wondered about like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► whole Apple TV thing and it's a hobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► some people said well the reason Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► TVs think this big Steve Jobs doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► watch TV because if you watch TV he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► wouldn't be able to tolerate this cruddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► thing other people said the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► exists because Steve Jobs must watch TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► because he's annoyed by actual regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► TV and you want something simpler and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► far as he's concerned anything is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► than that horrible you know existing TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► system so there was stories in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► about that one was talking about when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► was working at Apple it picks our full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► time and he was just kind of burning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► candle at both ends and exhausting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► himself that he was said like when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► came home from when he finally got home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► from work after working these two you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► know stressful jobs and commuting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► everything all I could do was was plop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► down and watch a half an hour of TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► vegetate when he got home yeah he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► couldn't even talk yeah which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► you know you think all Steve Jobs he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► only does things that are like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► enriching artful and he would never you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► know you would never have a television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► in his house and now he's just like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► he you come home you tired you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► think you just you just want to plop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► down from TV and vegetate who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► he's watching maybe watching Jersey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► Shore for all we know like people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► people right right but this again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► anti deification of jobs one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► things that if people had never read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► another book about Steve Jobs you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► have been shocked by all of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► human qualities of them but most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► books of Steve Jobs get into that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► you know well you might love Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► that's the big theme but this one also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► got into like you know he's not a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► and during recuperation from one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► procedures or surgeries or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► he said he signed up for Comcast cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► and then you know in typical this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► typical Steve Jobs fashion he called up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► the person who ran Comcast and they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► Brian Roberts and the guy said I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► he was calling to say something nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► about it Roberts recalled instead he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► told me it sucks so that's what you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► imagine Steve Jobs doing he signs up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► Comcast gets a little hooked up sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► down in front of it starts to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► and anybody's trying to use that guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► or something or whatever is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► so this this leads credence to the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► that Steve Steve Jobs I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► a personal level how horrible television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► is even if he's not like an obsessive TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► watcher you know he he knows that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► stinks and he does watch television and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► I guess the illness and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► made him watch even more of it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► information so people can finally stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► speculating about the idea that Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► stinks because Steve Jobs doesn't watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► TV or thinks TV is stupid or has no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► about TV obviously not true job does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► success they had a lot of good quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► from Ivan here and I wish they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► talked more not just i but to his entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► team and all the people involved in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► because it is a good example of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► when I wrote that uh I forget I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► was after he died when I wrote yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► remembrance of Steve Jobs the the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► takeaway I I was pulling from his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► was the idea that all the bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► that happen when large groups of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► get together aren't inevitable and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► you in big companies is a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► example but any large group people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► like you know in the Dilbert kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► atmosphere if anyone has worked for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► big corporation we all know the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► that happen in big corporations and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► just poisonous they are to doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► right things success to losing sight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► what's important and that that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► is the is going to be the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► lasting contribution of Steve Jobs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► the world of human endeavor even beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► the particulars of technology in stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► like that is that he proved that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► be a gigantic company and not be idiotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► you know there was lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► theories like well that's great when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► you're a startup on you're a real big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► serious company you can't make decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► like actually you can actually it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► really well and the reason he was able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► to do that but because he was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► unique position because he had a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► amount of power huge loyalty from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► employees and the board all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► reasons but like buddy you know it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► perhaps a not a UNIX and of course he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► was you know brilliant and right a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► of the time stuff like that but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► it just shows that you can you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► can do it and so one of the examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► that I've gave was before jobs came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► all the rest of Apple wanted from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► design group was the engineers would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► make the computer and then they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► hand it off to design guys and say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► put something nice around that and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► it you know then the engineers would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► make a cheap thing and and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► then we said just put something put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► case on that or something like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► that's not what a designer wants to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► he doesn't want to be given a blob and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► told to put something around it make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► look nice that's like a Gruber's old SAR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► that's like Ronco spray-on design but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► we've already designed the computer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► here you go just make it look nice or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► expensive all right and it I was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► to quit because of this because who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► wants to be in a company like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► why companies into that operate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► attracting great talent and great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► designers you know well you can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► if you work for like Samsung or Dell or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► something you're a designer and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► really wanted to you want to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► Johnny I've Dale you can't because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► people of Dell don't value you as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► as Steve Jobs understood and valued I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► so I was ready to quit and when Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► took over he gave I have a pep talk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► you know said look at this that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► the way it's gonna work from now on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► you know I'm here now that's not the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► trust me to stick around because you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► I will work together we'll make we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► ah another example that that I have gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► was that he wanted to uh I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► I'm asking when to put a handle on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► and apparently putting handles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► expensive as multiple pieces and a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► recessed thing and has to be strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► enough for you to grip and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► stuff uh and he's saying that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► you would expect him to say like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► that's what's special about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► wouldn't have allowed me to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► expensive feature that seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► frill or whatever then I what he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► that you know when he was arguing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► the handle and why why you should get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► because the engineering would always be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► pushing back against and then jobs would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► come and intercede and say no we got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► he said I've says at the old Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► would have lost that argument not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► another company but literally at the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► Apple before Jobs came back even at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► Apple I would have lost the argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► this expensive seemingly needless handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► but with jobs there he said no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► cool I like the handle I get it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► understand why a designer would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► that and we're keeping it and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► care that it costs more money again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► iMac case again is saying that it cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► $60 to make a case for each iMac which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► is three times as much as a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► computer case and I think this is Isaac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► something that I've said that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► presentations and studies to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► whether like we're gonna make our money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► back on this you know if we spend 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► bucks on a translucent case are we gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► sell enough more units to make up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► the cost of tooling and everything I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► like no there's no profit and loss study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► right there's no you know return on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► investment job says it looks cool we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► sticking to it that's what a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► company would do and big companies just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► PowerPoint presentation so I'll bring in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► the finance guys to get a look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► that disease is why big companies suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► and you know and it's just it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► rare to get anyone so in charge of such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► a big company that they can make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► decisions without this chair holders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► yelling without like the board you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► there's always people second-guessing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► you gotta act like the risk-averse then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► you know you gotta act like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► but at Apple you know that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► things work when Jobs came back and Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Cook point out that and he said this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► earning calls as well and later as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► might be more came from in the book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► they don't have a profit and loss for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► divisions like the the division you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► for design and engineering and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► manufacturing all don't have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► profit and loss statements and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► not like they're not like pitted against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► each other whereas they well I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► computer but if you put this on there my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► manufacturing branch of the company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► going to be horrible this year because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► there's no way we can sustain having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► make all that new tooling and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► divisions we have one profit and loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► for the whole company so they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► they're not worried about like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► little Empire over here in software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► this little piece over here and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► they're all pitted against each other to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► make their bottom lines look good to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► well the manufacturing doofuses did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► poorly this year but the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► guys who make hardware did great and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► the software guys you know it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► profit and loss for the whole company if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► this will make a better product let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► all work together to make a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► product and very few big companies do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► that they you know that managers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► middle managers build little empires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► within the company there to say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► well my division is doing great and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► goes towards my bonus in my raise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► and that kind of stuff is poison to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► know if you're losing sight of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► supposed to be doing useful to making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► great whatever you're supposed to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► great door knob a great knife a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► computer that's the goal it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► goal is not to make sure your division [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► of the knife manufacturing opposition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► that acquires steel did great this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► because you found a way to get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► cheap steel it's only a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► the worse than the old steel you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► getting but boy look at the bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► for your division now you're just doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► gangbusters and you get a raise and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► go up to VP right that's not that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► way business works that's not how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► should work and the success of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► it's so great that Apple succeeded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► this because the first version of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► was the company that made the Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► which was so ridiculously better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► ms-dos to anyone with half a brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► yet it lost in the market and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► depressing it was like you can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► great thing that just is just obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► so much better but for reasons unrelated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► to the quality of the product it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► to fail and it's like well maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► maybe you can't do that maybe that type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► of thing where when you're a big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► you do make a great product maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► doesn't work well I'm just so glad the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► jobs - error came along to disprove that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► theory to say no actually making great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► products and not doing all that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► company BS Canon does lead to success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► crazy success biggest company in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► entire United States success that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► of thing oh it's in arguable you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► sale that's not you that doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► you can't do that unless you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► start-up Steve Jobs is ethos the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► section ethos yeah I'm going to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► sponsor while you prepare for this sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► go for it second sponsor longtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► sponsor Shopify calm the Internet's most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► elegant customizable and scalable hosted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► ecommerce platform I use these guys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► myself anytime that I sell 5x5 t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► by the way we're coming up with some but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► I use I do everything with them why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► I know how to do HTML CSS and build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► websites I build 5x5 I know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► been doing this for years why because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► they make it easier they make it faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► because my time I would rather be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► spending my time on the shows with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► then like trying to make e-commerce work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► because if that that's hard stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► what do you get with Shopify you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► your own online store you can accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► credit cards you can use your own domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► if you want or there's you customize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► your store as much as you want or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► little as you want they've got like 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► more than 100 professionally designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► templates or you just do your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► doesn't matter there's nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► download there's something to maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► there's nothing to worry about and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► a hundred percent PCI DSS compliant 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► so if you don't even know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► means it's legal stuff that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► want to deal with on your own you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► totally trust them with your business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► they're fully secure they have that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► have sites that do millions of dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► per month in sales so trust me yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► yours will be just fine here and up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► a limited time you can get three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► free normally they give you a month free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► to try it out you use coupon code five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► by five you get three months free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► try these guys out I'm telling you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► doesn't matter what you want to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► physical stuff electronic stuff you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► do it at Shopify com check them out love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► alright the ethos thing it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► reference to to Android and so as zooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► s I'm like you know Android doing better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► this is when Android market share with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► your growing up or whatever and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► upshot seems to be from jobs that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► if Google's approach to selling Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► to like giving away free to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► marketing place which by which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► he means like selling more copies than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► iOS devices or whatever jobs founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► repellent this is a quote from Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► I like being responsible for the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► user experience we we do it not to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► money we do it because we want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► great products not crap like Android so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► unequivocally saying it's better to lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► than to suck can you imagine a CEO of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► any other company in the entire universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► saying that you never say that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► going to say your shareholders to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► well you're right this isn't even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► if a hundred percent right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► other strategy even other company can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► crush us in the market and get more mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► chair I'd still rather have a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► product than then suck ins have good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► market chair that's just that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► anti-capitalist Antica you know it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► everything having to do with business I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► think in reality it is you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► it's one of the best stress you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► possibly ever have because the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► strategy leads you to eventually make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► crap and crap eventually comes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► bite you you know so the Android iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► thing has not worked out but Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► clearly coming down on the side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► better to lose than to suck which just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► you know it crazy for a CEO to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► especially see how the biggest company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► in the world and I think that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► the reason he's the CEO that was the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► the biggest company in the world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► particular attitude SML thing when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► headquarters they were planning the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► giant round glass spaceship look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► motive there he had a true mothership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► yeah the UFO and you know obviously Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► wasn't heavily designed in the heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► involved in the design of that and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► one point the architects wanted to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► people to open and close the windows get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► glass everywhere whatever it and it jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► didn't like the idea so that would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► allow people to screw things up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► that's that's the sound bite from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► that's that's classic jobs attitude and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► depending on how you feel about job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► because I you know this is why Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► big jerk he's such a control freak you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► didn't let people open windows what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► somebody's really hot right and what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► they need to open a window with Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► Jobs did you know you got to suffer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► sweat because I don't want the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► open because I like them to be closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► and that's the the anti the pro side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► it would be uh have you ever been in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► office or like a building where it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► have windows that open and closed sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and someone somewhere decides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► they're too hot so they open the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► but that makes a bunch of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► freezing or triggers the thermostat the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► blast the heat on someone else you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► that's I think what Jobs meant by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► will allow people to screw things up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► decisions that have a global detrimental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► effect so he'd rather say seal the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► up and you design the thing so everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► is comfortable that's your goal to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► the great thing if you allow stuff to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► variables and you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► individual people making decisions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► hurt other people it's just constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► fight to turn the thermostat up turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► down open the window close the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► different seasons different times a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► you can kind of tell what side I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► down on this like you either design the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► building have the windows open and close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► or you design it not to be but don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► building so we'll be comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► everything sealed up but people can open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► windows if they want that sounds like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► Android approach right Oh we'll do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► this way but also you can have that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► other thing too we just will give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► the option like it's up to them it's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► to them it's up to the people who live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► in the building to design their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► building experience whereas Jobs is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► like you know like the Paul Rand thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► with the next logo I will solve your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► problem though you don't have to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► your living experience you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► going to come to you with a building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► it's good to live in and I will succeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► or fail based on how well I do that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► not going to make you a building with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► every possible option tell you to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► it as you live in it because that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► the way jobs are Apple worked emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► jobs the next section again if you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► any other book about jobs it's these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► emotional but I just ensure love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► topic so he came you know anytime he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► a chance to tell a story about Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► Jobs crying or some other thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► he he went for that one I and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► that is a change from the previous books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► the previous books would talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► stuff but they wouldn't hammer on it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► much because there were a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► more reverential like Steven leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► other books of people who like devoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► Apple fans would shy away from really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► focusing on when Jobs was a jerk for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► reasons not related to making people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► better things like he would just mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► was just punitive or he cried like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► wouldn't they wouldn't focus on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► because it seemed like well I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► Steve Jobs not to like me because I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► big fan go so I Justin was not that into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► Steve Jobs again we talked about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► earlier so he had no problem telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► them yeah the guy cries all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► stuff and he's a big baby and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► jerk sometimes for no reason uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► thing I focused on was like when when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► introduced the iPad and then he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► getting all his emails for people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► complaining is no USB cord and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► like that again we you know remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► when they came out and you know I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► Gruber had something about these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► don't get you shouldn't have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► usb on it stupid blah blah and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► assume that if it can reduce isms can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► roll off the back of all the Apple fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► who like you know I think the iPad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► great and people would complain yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► think the iPad so great but doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► USB it's so dumb and you know you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► defend you become the defender of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► you say well I think it's better without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► you can't a big flame alright but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► would assume that these things would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► just roll off the back of steve job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► you know guy having to flame or in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► form or whatever or you're just blogging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► about it's no big you know your fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► was gonna be like but Steve Jobs doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► care about this stuff but Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► there reading his emails about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► complaining there's no USB cord and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► getting depressed he's getting sad he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► says they're getting bummed out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► it's just it's it's a very human moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► and and it's missed it's like why are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► you doing this up to yourself like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► know he just he would have think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► over the years you would have built up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► thick skin about like how does this help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► him be a better person does it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► help him Brazil the next time he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► to play USB port no it's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► he's not taking his input and factoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► it into his future design decisions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► he still feels sad about it it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► a very sensitive guy can you imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► like introducing the iPad and then going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► home and that that night being depressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► wouldn't you'd be like if you introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► the IP but I who I'm king of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► you know I just put out the iPad eat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► sucked like it was awesome product like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► it sold well everything was good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► he all he can do is focus on that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► yelling at him in emails like don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► your email then if you're gonna be sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► about it uh and the other moment you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► read that that thoughts on flash thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► again you're like all that he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► write that the pr road you know but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► know it's like well he's a control freak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► scribe to wrote himself but he's writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► it and he's like showing it to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► friends and he's like uh you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► other people on the board is like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► this sound like i'm just trying to stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► it to adobe like he's bouncing off his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► friends like i don't you know he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► he's self-aware no I don't want to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► like it I could you know I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► make a point here I don't want to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► like I'm just being mean to a doe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► because I'm angry at them and he's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► know he's he's sensitive about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► he's talking to his friends like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► same way you'd be trying to do a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► post and you don't want to like offend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► somebody but you're trying to write do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► did I sound do I sound to mean or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► definitely a jerk in this that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► yeah of course I think one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► problems is that the the relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► that seem like Steve Jobs fostered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► his life with those people's like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► you talk to your board member about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► that's not really a even a board member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► was certainly an employee or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► that's not kind of what is he going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► like yeah you do sound like a jerk I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► mean again the book took said like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Steve Jobs likes that he likes when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► push back on and maybe that's true but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► still think people feel intimidated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► him so it probably was difficult for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► to get honest because he's just so tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► and has that presented to get honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► right but the fact that he's seeking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► interesting and really highlights the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► the human aspects of Steve Jobs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► most other books talked about but didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► dwell on and you could be left to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► whether you know how real they were jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► in politics the section you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► expect to be much of in the book because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► he's not like you don't see jobs out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► there like campaigning for people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► you know he's not he's not an actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► political person most tech CEOs aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► but you know a couple big big CEO so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► companies do come down them inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► one party or another but jobs true to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► form is not not a party partisan at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► so the first encounters when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► apparently you know buddy-buddy with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► hangs out with visiting other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► captains of industry or that they but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► they have a lot in common because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► know who else who do you have a lot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► common with him in your Steve Jobs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► guess we're from Murdoch right uh and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► he's hanging out with anybody tell when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► he comes over to dinner he says there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► a quote you're blowing it with Fox News [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► you should get Roberto over dinner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► tell him that and rank the best thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► like you can tell jobs has thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► this like if you just put Rupert Murdoch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and run with a bunch of liberals they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► like screaming them about how he's evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► and stuff like that what Steve Jobs says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► this is a great example effect you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► it's not just he has insight and is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► narrowed down to like here's here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► problem with Fox News and I thought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► was one of the best summaries of ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► screaming hysteria liberal conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► stuff like that this is the court from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► jobs the axis today is not liberal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► constructive destructive and you've cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► your lot with the destructive people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► Fox's become an incredibly destructive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► force in our society so he sidesteps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► whole liberal conservative positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► thing it's like are you are you building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► things up or are you tearing things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3836">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► like you know it this is the only quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► there doesn't go into a much more detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► but I thought there was a great summary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► of what would you tell Rupert Murdoch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► get him to understand what you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► like about Fox News if you tell them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► don't like it because I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► conservative opinions well former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► glycans you're not going to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► Rupert Murdoch cannot be a conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► right that's a losing argument so Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► Jobs just gets to the heart of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► says it's about construct D structures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► about you know building things up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► tearing things down I thought that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► great and I don't know what Rivenbark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► but at least someone's telling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► through peroxidase uh I'm meeting with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► bomb on the other side just Joe he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► you know that partisan one side the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► other he didn't want to meet with Obama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► because he didn't want to be like token [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► CEO meeting likes I'm not gonna meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► with him he wants to come fly in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► talk to me - so he can say talk to a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► I'm paraphrasing this is not a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► quote but that kind of sentiment was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► like so what he's the president don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► want to be his like he's aware when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► other people are trying to manipulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► him because I'm sure he does similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► things to be you know to get in good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► get on the covers of magazines and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► he didn't want you didn't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► manipulated even it was by the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► he'll turn down the meeting right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► when he did finally meet Obama uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3898">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► they got their acts together and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► whatever wise you come in and say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► I'm Steve Jobs but I don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► quite this blunt but this is the quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► one-term presidency right that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► I don't imagine they walk in the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► and and he's like hey and oh by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► I mean I'm sure it was a quote from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► conversation right but like you know eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► I guess that's the advantage of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► Steve Jobs you know any problem till I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► speaking truth to power in fact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► refused to meet with them it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► a very mini play when you get they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► gonna say you know any went into all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► reasons why you know because he was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► eager to please everybody and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► basically all the ways that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► like me is why you're gonna be one-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► presidency which may be true I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► lot of liberals sometimes think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► like boy if only Obama had the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► nervous Steve Jobs I would be more happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► with him as the president right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► he also said all bunch of business about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► the administration needs to be our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► business friendly this was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► interesting thing which the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► didn't comment on at all and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► have loved to have seen more exploration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► and talking with his hippie friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► about this so he's got a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► important people around a table I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► was Obama like the tech people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► Zuckerberg was there and a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► other you know it's some big meeting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► business people with Obama right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► captains of industry of the tech sector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► to talk about stuff and what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► that meeting one guy what was his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► chambers I forget who he was he was CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► of some company just was like bending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► Obama's ear about tax repatriation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► holiday that allows the corporation's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► bring to avoid tax payments on overseas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► profits if you bring them back to the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and all in Zuckerberg and other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► were annoyed that like that this guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► just like complaining to Obama about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► this but you saying we should be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► what does this guy just talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► stuff is good for him but when jobs talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► to me said the same thing so we need we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► need uh to be more business-friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► it's so easy to build a factory in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► it's hard to build it here and we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► get enough workers even if we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► build it here it's just kind of funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► that like even jobs mr. hippy mister you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► know living in on the commune picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► the beans or whatever he was doing total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► counterculture guy running a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► changes you like being at that level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► Finance he's making arguments for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► know you need to be more business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► friendly deregulation you make it make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► it more like here like like it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► China make that make it more like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► here which is not a liberal hippie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► conservative type thing and just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► you know it's I don't know I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► asked jobs are you how do you resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► that conflict you know are you aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► that these arguments you're making would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► sound crazy to have 13-year old you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► you can make should be more like China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► here and it took too hard to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► factory we need more deregulation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► you are friendly to the business that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► not a liberal position because he is uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► the CEO of a you know multi-billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► dollar company and the other depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► thing was when you get all these big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► guys together and I get to talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► president they talk about exactly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► would think they would talk about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► in a Batman movie like you know we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► fewer taxes and fewer regulations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► because industry must be it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► kind of comically comically evil I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► they don't even know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► doing it obviously it's not evil if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► you're a conservative but it's like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► have the president's ear and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► want to talk about how why how you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► make it easier for my business they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► all incredibly rich they all don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► any more money but all they can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► about is you you as the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► should make it easier for me as business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► to make more money in my business uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► Reed Reed jobs luckiest kid ever in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► you were wondering if it's cool to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► Steve Jobs his kid answer it is I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► blown away by like he's going to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► big meeting what was he talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► like I think it was the antenna gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► meeting or something so he flies back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► from Hawaii he's like Reed why'd you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► come with me is it you're saying that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► would learn more in this meeting than he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► would in like a you know a year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► Business School imp rings Reed job you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► just sit in on the meeting to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► this antenna gate thing with these you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► know with my PR people with my ad guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► and all the people from Apple can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► Apple nerds like maybe if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► exciting I got dad to work but but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► you're just an apple nerd on the web the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► idea of being able to tag along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► jobs just to hang out like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► it's crazy any other was when he got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► bring his freshman dorm mates the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► to launch yeah come with you I got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► dad's thing he's doing some product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► whatever you get the like come in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► with him and just sit in the front row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and caught it's just yeah that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► a good deal and the other part was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► when it when they were showing they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► trying to figure out designs for the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► Apple spaceship HQ which the design for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► it looks like a giant circle like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► cheerio basically with a big hole you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► know homeless center with his courtyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► arrangements didn't look like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► was a bunch of wavy lines and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► reminded him of male genitalia cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► that's what you know a teenage kid if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► you show something right of course it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► generous everything looks like that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► teenage boy I know and you know didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► Steve Jobs I think even said that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► you know what they changed the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► because once you see it you can't unsee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► it so here's this is like teenage boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► beavis and butt-head style sensibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► that we all men have in some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► degree buried down changing the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► of the apple HQ you know cuz he walked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► through the room and said that I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► the a couple parts I talked about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► Jobs would love to like almost every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► like take a walk through Johnny Ives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► design studio because he would just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► it's a quote from the book he'd get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► sense in a sweep of the whole company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► the iPhone the iPad the Mac laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► everything we're considering that helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► them see where the company is spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► its energy and how things connect this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► is I've saying this and he can ask does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► this thing make sense because over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► we're growing another thing so this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► is how Jobs would get a handle on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► you know we got a lot of things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► motion a lot of stuff going on we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► look through designs to do so I can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► at the whole the whole thing right when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► I read that I thought this is why mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► may screwed up this is why I have dim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► right because if the way you get a sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► of how your company is doing and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► it's heading is by wandering through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► hardware design studio that's great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► your goal is to make awesome hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► we're but increasingly the awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► hardware has to be backed by services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► and the fact that that's just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► yeah and also make sure the service is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► it can't be an also-ran that can't be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► an ancillary thing there's no equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► of him like walking through the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► centers or walking through the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► where they monitor the data centers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► anything like that or seeing how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► know like all that stuff that Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► great at and then Amazon has expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► in and that Apple did Steve Jobs just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► seemed to want to work and not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► worry about it he's walking through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► design studio that's that I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► highlighting the fact that if Jobs had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► lived you know to be 80 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► eventually his focus on hardware would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► have become an Achilles heel where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► important you still make awesome devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► but you really have to pay attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► that other part and to his credit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► iCloud is a realization of that to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► like we need to do it differently we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► need to see how other people are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► in the cloud is centric so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► forth uh but it's not it's against his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► nature and he was still kind of like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► wants it to work and he's annoyed when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► it doesn't but he's not you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► still looking through the design studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► to get an idea of where the company was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► headed future directions a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► talked about and all the articles talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► about this that he was saying he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► to disrupt the textbook industry which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► is billion dollar undersea listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► there's so many industries that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► that are screwed up that have entrenched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► interests who are just interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► reaching themselves and like textbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► have like approvals and look at local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► government levels and local government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► is just you know the local government in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► Texas does not agree with local Oberon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► government in California but there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► to these national textbook sellers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► everywhere and it's just it's a big mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► and you know this is this is industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► that he saw was stupid and corrupt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► they could crush it if they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► do a digital textbook type thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► the iPad and all that stuff so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► interesting that he had you know that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► was willing to admit that he had a sight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► set on that that's another example where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► success at disrupting the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► depends on some amount of cooperation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► coercion or co-opting of the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► powers I would like to see him do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► too but it's a tough thing to pull off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► that's that's an example of where be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► like oh well Jobs is gone but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► combination of Tim Cook on the finance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and operations side and Johnny on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► design side can approximate what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► persuading incumbent businesses of a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► way of thinking type thing I can cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► and get great contracts out of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► go she ate with them but the whole sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► of do you want to sell sugar water line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► that jobs are so good at to to overturn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► the textbook industry that's tough sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► and it would you need some charisma for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► that and I'm not sure you know you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► take Tim Cook and Johnny I haven't tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► them together and put them into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► negotiating room and have them and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► them be as persuasive as Steve Jobs was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► and even he may not have been able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► it because some people you just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► just can't be convinced and if anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► can't be convinced it's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► textbook industry and any other future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► direction talking about the the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► thing you know Jobs is talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► server farm and and all of those stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► and what he's going to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► iCloud and so this may see if this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► direct quote I think this is from job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► yeah I'm going to take mobile me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► make it free and we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► syncing content simple we're building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► server farm in North Carolina we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► provide all the syncing you need and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► that way we can lock in the customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► it's a direct quote from jobs people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► thinking like the only reason to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► iCloud is they want to lock in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► customer then the Apple fans will go no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► they're not trying to he said we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► making a server I'm Swing Gail you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► singing that way we can lock in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► customer he said it like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► that's bad I think that's how he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► you can make it you know like they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► that with all our products but the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► that people the Apple defenders will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► that it's not about customer locking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► that's you know that's what makes them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► successful are your iTunes using the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► store was so successful because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► piggybacked on your iTunes stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► you already had you already have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► login the credit card and you bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► stuff and the iTunes tracks to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► with DRM originally we only play on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► iPod like that's kind of evil business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► stuff or whatever is part of apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► success and jobs saw iCloud in a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► vein that if we can you know everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► does Google does everybody who provides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► network services is like come to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► world get your facebook login will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► let you use your facebook login other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► places play your games on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► everyone wants you know lock in customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► they want you to stay there Google wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► you to live in a Google world put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► your stuff on Google put your data there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► it's not it's just that's just the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► things work and Apple is always getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► slammed for the lock-in type thing well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► that's just the way things work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► in the network cloud world you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► people to you know the utopian vision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► everyone cooperating with everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► in interoperable protocols with data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► that seamlessly transfers between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► vendors but that's that's the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► that's like the reason opendoc didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► succeed nobody that's not in anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► particular interest except for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► customers it's great that we have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► everything but it's a tough sell offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► individual large for-profit corporations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► to to do that with each other inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► they all want a bigger piece of the pie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► jobs and gates just briefly on this he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► did talk the jobs and duck the gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► about stuff and they were just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► like they were in that d8 conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► there at turn sort of a complimentary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► each other so yeah really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► what Steve did oh yeah really preach it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► what Bill did and you know especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► when Steve Jobs is dying Gates is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► to be you know it's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► yelling at him and stuff and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► you know the integrated approach works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► well you know and you know I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► you prove that the the windows approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► works well like I'll be nice to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► separated not as you can talk to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► separately finally for once actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► following up and talking to people Gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► clarified said the integrated approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► works well when Steve is at the helm but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► it doesn't mean it will win many rounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► in the future kind of saying like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► that approach works only works well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► you're Steve Jobs which you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► kind of backsliding on his previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► position and the same thing with Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► saying like all you said the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► work well with that open model and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► everything are the fragmented model then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► droid and stuff and the job says of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► course is fragmented model worked but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► didn't make really great products who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► produce crappy products that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► problem the big problem setting skin as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► IO your model work made a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► but you made crap the two of them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► to their dying breath yeah right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► not like you know it's just that honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► difference of opinion I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► really are a collegial and understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► each other and respect each other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► they just disagree about what the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► way to do things is and they just won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► give in you know oh and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► with the 1997 Mac world thing with gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► up on the big screen you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► when the gates came up on the big screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► this is one there's like a big brother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► reaction yeah Apple was announcing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► Microsoft was investing in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► and they were going to office and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► like that and just huge cream with giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► Gateshead on it you can't see that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► apple that and not think about like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► Big Brother in the 1984 at and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► like that I always thought it was I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► that at the idea like look if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► gonna if you're gonna make a deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Bill Gates like a get it over with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► quickly like just gonna rip off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► band-aid and be put them up on the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► screen just like spell it out like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► this guy is like only Nixon can go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► China right uh but in retrospect job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► says that a Sequoia from that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► worst and stupidest aging event ever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► made me look small maybe didn't like of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► ego purposes but I thought it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► just get out of the way that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► this guy Bill Gates the big scary dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► up there on the screen we're doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► deal it's gonna happen just you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► Apple to succeed Microsoft doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► to fail done and done now I got to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► got to be honest when that thing came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► out and I saw that I I mean I I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► like Apple was doing what it had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► but I I agree it did make him seem small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► it was I thought it was like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► watching and I was like oh man like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► Apple is screwed like that's that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► the feeling that I had watching that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► thing don't you remember feeling that ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► know that's what people felt but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► think you know I'm sure Jobs didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and he would have liked it to see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► equal but Jobs was small at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► appropriate on that screen for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► positions in the industry in 97 in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► maybe Bill Gates should have been bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► you know and jobs jobs always has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► tries to be a legal humble in those you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► know situations like we we think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► really great I hope you guys like it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► know kind of like that's always his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► thing and even in that one you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► made him seem small main gaits the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► important but like that was the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► thing jobs is like look we're in a hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► guys we got it we got to come up out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► this it's gonna be a tough slog and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► just gonna start making moves clones no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► deal with Microsoft yes get those losses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► off the table clear out of the way like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► that was you know it I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► part of the process and even as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► it may have annoyed jobs and hurt him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► I don't think it hurt his plan for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► company for anything in helped tamp down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► expectation you know like and I like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► me Microsoft for equal partners we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► gonna be great now because it took so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► many years for them to get out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► was long hard work and that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► the no it was a darkest right before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► sunrise type of a situation but it'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► it's interesting that he didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► that uh you know again the competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► thing I don't want to look small why so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► here's a question why put him up on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► yeah well that's this is also jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► learning lessons of staging work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► know previously like the whole jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► keynote thing was not hadn't arrived yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► he just come back from next where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► hadn't really been giving any big he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► knows he really keen on it you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► but he took away from that was like next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► time I'm making sure you know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► what's going down where's the projector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► are going to be I'm gonna I'm gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► it thing where you know get three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► projectors and precisely align them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► I want everything exactly how I wanted I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► want the stage this color I want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► you know that that whole thing he at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► this point he was like uh I'll just walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► onstage and I'll just do my presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► and didn't realize probably that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► boy how's this gonna look right he never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► made that mistake again this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► process of him learning no I got a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► know these keynote things are important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► I got to get handling them here's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► want listen and at you know he's soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► soon enough he's got things rising out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► of the stage with black cloths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► making show a jump off a thing onto a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► mat like in Conan you know anyone get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► that reference no you shouldn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► it wasn't the velcro but this is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► vertical drop yeah he didn't stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► jobs is personality this this is one one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► of the rare instances he was talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► Andy Hertzfeld which is like his go-to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► guy for a lot of stuff here and I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► he had talked to many more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► but he says Hertz Albans told me the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► question I'd truly love Steve the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► is why you sometimes so mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► Hertzfeld saying this even his family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► members wondered whether you simply lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► the filter that restrains people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► bending their words but wording thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► or willfully bypassed it Jobs claimed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► was the former that he liked the filter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► not that he was bypassing the filter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► basically job said this is who I am and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► you can't expect me to be someone I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► when I read that quote uh again I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► yeah when I read that quite I thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► the Scorpion and the Frog as a parable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► stories you know that's their wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► I don't know the detail looking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► summary is like it is a the Frog wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► Scorpion and the Frog is like oh you met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► your butcher in it I am you want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► it the right way I don't know if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► tell it the right way but I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► better than that okay I'm sure you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► scorpion at the bank of a river and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► Scorpion says to the Frog I can't swim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► can you please carry me across the river [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► and the Frog says I can't carry across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► the river you'll sting me we'll both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► drown and the Scorpion says come on man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► I'm not going to do that we'd both drown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► like you said I just take me across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► thing frog says all right get on my back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► so the Scorpion gets on the frogs back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► and they're going across the river [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► they're going and they're going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► scorpion stings the Frog and they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► start to drown and the frogs going under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► he says the scorpion what did you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► they both drown yeah basically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► that's all that's that's so meaty like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► when someone says something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► it's so scorpion and frog --is-- that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► would have just I feel like got a dig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► into that man don't let him say that put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► the quote in the book in the move on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► the next hop but talk about it with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► talk see what other people think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► know you know that Andy wanted to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► the answer this question you got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► answer did you go back to Andy and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► all the job says actually you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► not that I'm wilfully bypassing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► filter says I can't filter like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► just in my nature I'm the scorpion right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► what does the FL think of that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► theory does he prefer what do with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► friends think what does Steve Jobs think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► about with those anyway I'm trying again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► as the author investigative you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► examination his personality thing but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► this particular topic of the Scorpion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► and the Frog I I have to think it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► of gets into very quickly if I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► about it for more than two seconds very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► quickly into arguments about freewill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► and other stuff that are not appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► for this podcast and just you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► can he control what he does do we do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► of us have freewill and what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► definition of freewill in this context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► but I think in the backing off from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► because that's a big black hole and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► don't want to get into any more commonly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► filtering and self-control that answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► that you know it's just in my nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► sounds to me like something someone says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► to make themselves feel better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► because it's not as if you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► a lot mentally wrong with jobs right uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► but you can control your you can limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► your behavior to some degree you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► learn to limit it if it's important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► you and it just for a variety of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► that I don't think the book went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► that much but my impression is that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► jobs a little is hangups with his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► know being adopted and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► his adoptive parents according to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► book at least always seemed to give in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► to his whims and that sort of raised the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► person who thought that he should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► deferred to that he's that he was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► sensitive and was upset a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► time but his parents as parents tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► do you know you want your kid to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► happy or trying to do whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► could to make sure he was happy and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► didn't always work but the lesson he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► took from it was that my feelings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► more important than your feelings when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► you know when I'm upset it's worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► you being upset and since he was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► sensitive and so able to tell the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► when he did so he's like that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► seemed to be you know maybe it just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► in his nature but it seems to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► factor you know in his upbringing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► have to think as you get older and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► you learn this is something you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► have changed were you not the CEO of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► Apple were you not the CEO of Pixar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► a millionaire so he was working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► nine-to-five job for you know minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► wage right his personality would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► different because you just can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► away with that like it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► environment that enables that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► exist the environment that enables that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► seem to exist in his childhood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► millionaire uh and to make the excuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► like I was just the way I am I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► help it that's sort of an abdication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► responsibility that it did that defines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► his character that I would have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► I would have liked to seem that explored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► more and see what he thought of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► because he's a smart guy but if I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► if I was said Steve Jobs face what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► he say to me he would he would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► who'd probably argue with me about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and say and it's a lost case I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► like to see that exchange and and Seth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► think came down the same way he's Austin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► said this is a quote from the book but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► think he actually could have controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► himself if he wanted to when he hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► people was not because he was lacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► emotional awareness quite the contrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► he would size people up understand their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► inner thoughts and no just had to relate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► to them control them or hurt them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► will so I just an offer his opinion on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► doesn't you know it hurts felt hurts all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► had the question he went the jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► posed the question got the answer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► then offered his opinion he didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► the answer back to hurts felt he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► ask other people he didn't do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► it didn't do due diligence on it huh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► that's something I don't honestly I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► not too interested in hearing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► Isaacson's opinion on it as people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► probably understand it hearing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► opinion I would have liked to know them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► what everyone who actually knew Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Jobs thought about that answer what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► Steve Jobs himself thought about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► obvious rebuttal Stan sir if I Justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► controlled himself did he say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► jobs when he said to the jobs what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► jobs say blah blah blah I'm going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► circles again uh jobs is his kids so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► thought it was kind of a heartbreaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► section where he's talking about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► much his kids wanted to spend time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► him and especially the part where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► daughter asked to talk to Isaac sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► about stuff and how she said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► sometimes I wish I had more of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► attention main jobs is Russian Brian but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► but I know the work he's doing is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► important I think it's really cool so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► I'm fine I really don't need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► attention translation I need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► attention that's the transit that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► right you know like it's substitute you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► know I don't it's hard to be a parent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► any situation can being Steve Jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► being a parent and you know running even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► people just run like a copy shop like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► it's just work-life balance is not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► don't I don't say you know Steve Jobs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► a bad father or you know he was selfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► you should have paid more attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5278">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► because what we're all guilty of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► I don't come away with a demonizing him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► but you do feel bad though that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► like in every situation where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► someone who does amazing things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► probably some aspect of their life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► that's getting sacrificed for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► accomplish these amazing things and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► said when the part the sacrifices is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► family life our kids even his wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► complained about it saying after two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► years of him being jobs being ill he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► finally gets a little better and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► kids they mean the kids expected he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► would focus a bit on them but he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► he just you know went right back to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► so even even the mother is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► disappointed like maybe this illness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► would like get him to focus or Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► Jobs was just that they didn't ask about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► this too much in the book either but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► get the sense from all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► philanthropy angle they did talk about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► little bit the reason Steve Jobs I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► Steve Jobs didn't give so much money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► didn't seem to like be public about his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► going to plant agree and cancel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► Grahame to give money to charity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► stuff like that is that jobs really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► truly believed that the best use of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► time and money and resources was to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► it all into Apple to make better things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► to make the world better and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► that that was more bang for the buck and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► if you I think in his lizard bling brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► have you said what will have a more you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► know what's a better use of your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► hanging out with your kids or working at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► Apple if you pose that question to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► which Isaacson I don't think you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► right the right answer is all my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► are the most important thing to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► family like a jobs gives that answer on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► the stage all the time like it would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► know our families are the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► and blah blah but deep down I bet if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► just you know sodium pentathol him or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► whatever he would say a bit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► working in Apple has more bang for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► buck I'm going to make millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► people's lives better I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► change millions of lives when I talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► my kids I just change one life and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► think that sort of inescapable math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► logic with just lurking under there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► everything else the reality what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► actually did you know what you say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► what you do are two very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► things and what he did kind of shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► that he thought spending time with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► kids particularly the girls which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► really painful like he seems to invest a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► lot and read according to this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► we have no other accounts that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► all we have to go on uh but the girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► less so it and even less so the girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► whose personalities were not like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► like he was more into Eve who was feisty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and more like him but Aaron who was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► of you know shy and everything as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► parent it hurts to read that because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► know logically you can understand all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► that stuff about making the world better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► and it's you know you know he's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► more important for him to do the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► with Apple would you rather have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► really happy set of Steve Jobs children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and no iPhone iPad iPod and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► stuff and just like a complete windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► world and no Mac and like no one wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► to make that choice there but it's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► the same time like I guess what I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► away was I think he he could have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► should have struck a better balance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► maybe that's just because I'm a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► calculator you could say forget the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► I want my iPhone you know well I dare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► that you know I'll tell you I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► actually been thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► specific topic for a while and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► especially over the last week and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► small handful of people very very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► number of people in the world who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► actually say and this may sound callous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► or whatever but they can actually say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► that the work that they're doing is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► maybe more important than like being at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► home with their kids like because so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► many if you're looking at this from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► computer we qualify this by saying if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► statistical logical computer standpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► like if you fed the data to a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and asked it which is more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► computer should Steve Jobs be at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► with its family or should he be at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► inventing an iPhone which will bring you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► know look at look at the way that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► is gonna this is going to start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► really reach here but look at the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► that the iPad has benefited people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► cannot otherwise communicate whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► they're kids who have autism or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► the way that the and I've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► firsthand the way that that device is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► helping people who for years couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► communicate with their children who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► adult children that they never knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► could they even think and now they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► when they're talking to them like Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► Jobs had a huge hand in making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► happen and that's happening not in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► five or six places but in hundreds maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► thousands of homes around the world like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► that's just one example so would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► then say computer that it's better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► Steve Jobs to be a work working on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► stuff you you would say yes logically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► but I'm also the opinion that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► most important work that you do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► raising your families raising your kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► so it's it's kind of weird and it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► don't know if there really is an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► there well yeah the parent idea in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► is that someone else can always do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► stuff you're doing an apple maybe not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► well so and so forth but you're not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► replaceable as a father I'll be an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► someone else can be dad to my kids right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► I guess that's technically true if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► want them to be adopted but see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► how'd you like that Steve being adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► then you know you had great parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► seemingly who just did everything for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► you and you're still broken up about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and had problems with you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► it's the one thing that only you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► right you know are attached to you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► just seems to me like the balance could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► have been better and getting back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► like the whole you know iPads helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► autistic people so like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► that's the easy example but I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► even like the stuff that doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► like a big deal like you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► people connected together more all I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► do a face time with my kids people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► successful with technology right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► millionaire the millions of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► whose lives have been in an almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► insignificant way improved because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► camera is better now and it's faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► they got that picture that they showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► to the grandparents it's a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► little things as I all didn't my ki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► phone someone else would've made a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► phone it would have been fine no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► know we we all think that the Apple ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► are a little bit better it's it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► know there's the huge magnitude things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► like the benefits the disabled and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► just you know opening up new avenues of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► communication with people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► previously isolated those are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► relatively small number like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► thousands or millions or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► infinitesimal little things but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► just a little bit better than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► phones would have been just look but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► they just multiplied over 300 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► iPhones right it's you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► different things one of them is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► volume and one of them is about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► quality of the individual instances ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► but yeah you know and I think jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► understood this because he was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► saying I want my kids to know me that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► it yeah that's a recognition that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► haven't spent as much time with my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► as the better angels of my nature think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► that I showed that when he gets up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► the stage and says because really our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► families are the most important things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► he's saying that he's got to be guilty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► inside to say I'm gonna say this too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► because I know I haven't been living up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► to this ideal this is my ideal and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► sad that I'm not living up to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► know something the chat room has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► complaint about the thing Aaron Pressman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► significant work is versus helping your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► kids just making me sick yuck wrong way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► to think about it I'm not sure what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► uh if you what's the widest I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► a difficult issue well it's it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► issue that every single parent faces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► if you haven't thought about it um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► mean it's it's the kind of thing that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► at the start of the day when you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► go do whatever it is you do to put food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► hey there you think about it as a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► I think you think about it every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► day you say man I wish I could do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► and this and this but I do have to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► and there is a trade-off well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► what maybe I don't have to work maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► could buy it would take all of our money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► right now and and we could buy a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► trailer on some land in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► nowhere and you know in South Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► somewhere where land is still cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► you know as long as we have enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► like we could farm we could have our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► Tomatoes you know we could we could live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5756">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► and you know what living that way would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► cost five thousand dollars a year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► then I can spend all the time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► world with my kids I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► argument that's the flip side of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► maybe that's why he's feeling he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► saying Yaak yeah so Herron has clarified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► so he said Jobs was a bad dad well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► beyond the fact that he worked a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► which i think is also true were all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► know failing his parents and various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► reasons of course an Ali traits that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► made jobs unique you know he's cruel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► his children it was you know just even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► if he wasn't working when he was with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► his children he wasn't so great with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► them all the time it's it's not an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► thing to do and the emotional answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► obviously like well you should spend all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► your time with the kids and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► you're just getting a great example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► also what's the logical stream of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► we go live we go live in that place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► five grandi or should everybody do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► you know give away all your possessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► that maybe that's what you should do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► for Jesus that we should do so let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► if this everything is a balance this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► it's not black and white it's I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► Jobs himself clearly felt he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► strike the balance that he wanted to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► ideals were different than his actions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► and I bet I bet he has similar feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► about the whole Scorpion and Frog stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► about how he's he's cruel to people he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► kind of likes the result of that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► know it must have been harder for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► make relationships or to have close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► relationships because there's not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► of people who can sort of tolerate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► kind of abuse and it's not you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► know what I mean like he's got an inner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► circle people who understood it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► it's the Frog keeps letting you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► got to find a frog well let me keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► stinging them and still be my friend you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► know I think that's it I've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► Isaacson interview in New York Times is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► in the show notes you can read it to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► learn more about him but I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► already covered everything that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► some sort of summary of what I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► Steve Jobs we could talk about him for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► while but we're over here so I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► people are satisfied even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► didn't spend this entire show I can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► you they will they will not be that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► her they will not be not even close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► there's a definition of drama all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► someone goes into a scene they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► something and they don't get it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► drama that's what you think drama is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► that was that a letter from playwright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► whose name I can't pronounce it ma or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► MIT he was trying to rope to a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► people were writing television show to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► explain explain to them what drama is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and why they're blowing it it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► can't believe you don't know that one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► telenovela I'll look it up I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► that one all right someone saying Emmett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► you don't know how to pronounce it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► not you know this is many that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► say but some of the chat room says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► minute something says they want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► me talk about free will no that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► the show I would love to hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► talking about free man no you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► well how sure would oh my god yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► someday well somebody will do a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► about your cult diets and Buddhism in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► free will and I'll just be can we get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► little preview no you know just drop it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► it's a legend in politics let's avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► avoid hmm is it because it a lien AIT's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► too many people who were otherwise enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► listening to talk about tech topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► people talk about like oh you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► be afraid to talk about your political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► pains like if they're your opinions you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► should you know be proud of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► have them and some some respects I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► with that but if it's a show about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► and related businesses and technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► that's not the correct forum to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► about that and all you're gonna do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► offend and annoy people who didn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► to your show to hear about religion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► politics mm-hmm but we could do an after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► dark about it sometime because there no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► all bets are off of there oh yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► appropriate when we talk about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► diets all right well I we we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► mention that next week we will be we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► will be here even though it is the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► of Thanksgiving here in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► States we will be here we will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► recording on a regularly scheduled time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/5993">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► hopefully yes turkey will have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► successfully consumed even that very day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► right before we work leftovers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► so if you want you can tune in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► I think a lot of people will be home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► that day so maybe maybe we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► people tune in live and how do they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► that they go to five by five TV slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► life and they can tune in live and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► start recording at noon Eastern Time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► can tune in listen to us chat and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► can eat your leftovers eat your moist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► maker whatever it is that you like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► that's it you can follow John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► on Twitter siracusa figure it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► I'm Dan benjamin on twitter and at five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► by five TV we've got all the previous 41 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► 41 to previous this is 43 this is not 43 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► this is what how come I gonna mark this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► I don't know 42 if they would have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► note of that one is that was a big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► Adams you know because they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► Douglas Adams yeah that's right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► somebody pointed out that that what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► coincidence that the best episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► hypercritical episode 42 was also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► answer to life and everything involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► blah blah so this is number 43 I hope I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► said it right in the beginning but who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► cares so that'll be episode 44 yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► and everyone who seemed to love episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► 42 funnel that enthusiasm for the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► what could while you're still on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► high and don't change your mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► start hitting it into a positive review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► on iTunes genius yeah because all for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► all that positive feedback you think boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► now is going to be a big bump in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► number of people rating and writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnmdILA/6102">TS</a>]