Hypercritical

00:00:04 ◼   ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing so [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► about bhaijaan siracusa the founder of [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► hypercritical I'm the co-host Dan [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Benjamin today is November 18th to 2011 [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► this is episode number 43 [TS]

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00:00:51 ◼   ► are welcome back are you ready I feel [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► ready I think I'm ready we'll see I [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► don't know maybe not [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► no I I've got I've got to tell you got [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► to tell you last week's last week's show [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► I have received so much [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► oddly positive feedback about this show [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► why why is it odd because usually [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► there's about an equal amount of [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► criticism to compliments and usually [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► they're by the same people but I will I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► will tell you this I'm going to throw a [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► number out at you [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► okay I'm ready to date hypercritical [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► episode number 42 I pull this out [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► hypercritical number 42 if I can if I [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► can spell it right I can do the correct [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► search for it has I mean that do you [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► want to do any guess at this what am i [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► guessing up the number of downloads oh I [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► don't know and no idea [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► you're gonna take again I'll save it [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► I'll save it for later all right I mean [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► yeah you don't tell me download numbers [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► routinely so I have no idea what a [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► averages or whatever right so yeah I'd [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► be I think the reaction to the last show [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► was overwhelmingly positive and I guess [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that is surprising cuz you're right most [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► of the shows it's like there there's a [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► strong contingent of people who disagree [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I think I don't know what it was with [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► this one but that the thing I saw on [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► this show was that most of the feedback [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that I got or yeah there was a lot of [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► feedback and most of it didn't come [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► through the five by five feedback form [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► normally it's like after each show the [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► majority the feedback it comes through [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► that form this time the stuff that came [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► through that form is still positive but [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► I got lots of like lots of email Tamar's [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► Technica email ideas lots of stuff on [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► Twitter that was just replying to me you [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► were included in all those Suzy didn't [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► you see like a lot more Twitter feedback [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► this time and got yeah a lot yeah so it [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► was uh very positive but um this show [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► this is going to be still about the jobs [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► by over people who are wondering and all [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► the follow up is going to be about the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► previous show on the jobs file it's hard [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► not to make this show 100% just a meta [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► show about the feedback about the [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► previous show I will try to avoid that [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► and just make it 50% about that so let's [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► go because I want to oh I won't know I [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► run out of time so the people who gave [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► positive feedback they were not there [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► I'm kind of lumping them to a couple [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► categories first there were the people [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► who you know the usual people respected [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► people agree with you they they disliked [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► the book for the same reasons that I did [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► they're like you like the or someone [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► echo your opinion out to a larger [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► audience so that was a big chunk of the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► people with positive feedback like yeah [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that's just what I was thinking right on [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► right uh then there was people who read [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the book and were not blown away by it [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► but couldn't put their finger on what [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► the problem was and listening to the [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► show sort of crystallized their [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► dissatisfaction or highlighted one [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► aspect of their dissatisfaction then [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► there was a pretty large group of people [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► who just like hearing me complain about [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► stuff at which which makes sense because [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► you figure if you're gonna be a longtime [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► listener of my podcast you would you [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► know you would be the type person whom I [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► like hearing me complain about stuff and [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► they it I think they'll be just as happy [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► if I complained about toasters or [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► whatever ah they were they thought it [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► was fun because I was worked up about it [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► right or on fire was the term that I [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► a lot siracusa was on fire on that last [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► episode and you're right I think there [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► are a handful of people who just very [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► simply they just enjoyed hearing you [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► express your strong emotion about the [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► topic right was that simple they didn't [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► they didn't care what what the topic was [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► it just so happened that they'd love to [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► hear your album and I am certain I'm [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► certainly in that camp and I like [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► hearing other people other podcasts do [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► that so I understand that sentiment and [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► finally mixed to rap this group or [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► people this is all the positive people [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► by the way were the people who had their [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► own complaints they would be like yeah [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► everything you said and and then they [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► would list all the things that they [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► didn't like about the book in particular [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► a lot of people wanted to show the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► little niggly things that they happen to [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► notice that I didn't mention the show I [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► made a few notes of a couple of them [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► I'm sorry didn't remember the people's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► names but it was a lot of feedback one [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► person said did you notice that that [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► they said the Black Forest was in [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► Bavaria when it's not actually in [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► Bavaria I didn't know this because I [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► don't know much about a German geography [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► a couple people complain that in the [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► audio book version which I'd never [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► listened to that the audio book person [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► pronounces Mac os10 as Mac OS X but then [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► I got one person who complained that the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► audio book said Mac OS 10 instead of Mac [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► OS X so I don't know what the audio book [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► actually says but you know one person [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► complained that they misspelled the word [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► akido they forgot an eye in there which [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► seems strange because he figured I guess [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that's not a spellcheck wouldn't catch [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► that but you think a book editor [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► spellcheck but yeah so a lot of people [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► wanted to share their own opinions so [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that's pretty much how the the positive [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► feedback broke down but there was [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► negative feedback there was a large [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► volume of feedback period so just [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► because it was overwhelmingly positive [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► there was still more negative feedback [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► than usual in terms in raw numbers you [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► know so there was like a 100 tweets and [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► emails you know there was like 10 [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► negative ones but 10 is more than we [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► normally get the the main thing I saw in [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► the negative feedback is it made me [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► wonder if it's even possible to talk [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► about something you don't like in a [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► podcast format or written down or [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and then later give a big long list of [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► nitpicks [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► without anyone who listens to it who [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► disagrees with you deciding that what [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► you're saying is because of the nitpicks [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► that's why you know that's the reason [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► this thing stinks doesn't it baby things [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► right and I tried so hard to separate it [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► in the past show like I did the first [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► part of you here's why I think there was [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► a problem with the book there was a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► wasted opportunity blah blah and then I [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► said okay and now here's a bunch of [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► nitpicky stuff trying to separate them [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► so that people don't think that these [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► nitpicky things are the main primary [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► reason why this book is bad as a lots of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► people were arguing into position I [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► didn't take you know oh you don't [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► little errors like that don't make a [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► book bad you're crazy [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► you know and it's just very difficult to [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► I mean I don't think I could have been [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► more clear and maybe I could have been [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► more clear but I really tried to hammer [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► home you know here is why I think the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► book is not successful as it should have [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► been and then also hears these nitpick [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► things right um [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► and so maybe it's just like no matter [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► what I said once I started doing that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► list people either just not interested [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► in the first things that I had to say or [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► just bounced off them and then once they [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► got to the nitpicky stuff since they [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► disagree with me like these are people [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► who like the book or disagree with my [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► opinion of it they're going to latch on [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► to that because it's easy to to attack [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► right or and some people just don't like [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► nitpicking like you know they don't they [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► don't like people picking that little [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► thing and I have to wonder if you don't [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► like nitpicking while you listen to show [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► called hypercritical I mean it maybes [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► new listeners I to be fair a lot this [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► got spread around a lot so a lot of the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► people listening may have been listening [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► for the first time they didn't really [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► know what they're in for [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► it's not you know they have a valid [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► opinion if you don't like listening to [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► someone complain this is not the podcast [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► for you I'm sorry uh but you know to [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► recap for the people who listening now [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► just to emphasize once again the [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► nitpicks are not the reason that they're [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► not the primary reason that i found [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► fault with this book was mostly that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► this was sort of the singular [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► opportunity for a complete scholarly [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► biography of a really important man and [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► I feel like that opportunity was [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► squandered by the author because what he [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► wrote was kind of a shallow [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► human-interest summary of his life with [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► not a lot of original investigation in [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► research and the examples I gave that in [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the last show how come like the first [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► part was better because he had more [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► research [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► Paul from and he didn't seem to be very [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► curious about lots of topics and didn't [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► go through them and there's nothing [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► particularly wrong with a sort of you [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► know shallow human interest summary like [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► magazine style you know popular [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► biography but there's definitely a place [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► for those and some people like those and [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► he said this is exactly what I wanted [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and I got what I wanted my complaint is [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► that you know if you want to write one [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► of those don't be the one guy who has [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► access to Steve Jobs because Steve Jobs [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► was so private and didn't allow people [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► in this was this is a unique singular [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► opportunity that was squandered that is [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► the primary reason that I have [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► complained about the book now later on [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► in this very podcast I'm going to talk [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► more about those nitpicky things don't [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► forget this part people that I said this [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► is the reason this is the primary reason [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► why I think the book was not successful [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► I will still talk about the Netflix and [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► I think they were they did have some [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► importance they were just not the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► primary importance they're not even if [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you eliminated all of them I don't think [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► that I would be happy with the book [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► they're just a symptom of a larger [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► problem so now let me let me clear [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► something up yeah [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► isn't the real reason that you are so [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► upset about this book isn't the real [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► reason that you are simply bitter that [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► you were not selected to write it that's [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► something that a lot of people if they [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► hear someone complain about stuff it's [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► kind of kind of gets back to the Steve [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► Jobs attack on that guy or sometimes you [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► see the movie critics to where they say [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► what have you done this so great or [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► where's your movie you're criticizing [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► this movie what let me see the better [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► movie that you've made the idea that you [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► can't criticize something without having [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► the ability to do it better right and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► that the flip side of that is that when [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you hear someone critter says something [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► and you agree with him you're like boy [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► that guy sure knows what's wrong you [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► know I agree with that guy about what [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► was wrong with this thing since he knows [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► so much about what's wrong with it that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► means he could make a better thing so he [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► should the ability to understand what's [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► wrong with something has very little [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► relation direct correlation with the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► ability to do a better thing my case [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► case in point Roger Ebert I don't think [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► that guy's made a lot of movies but he [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► should know the beyond the valley of the [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► dolls anyone the chat room know that he [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► wrote that one yeah [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► perhaps not the greatest movie ever you [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► know but but he sure does know what's [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► good well I don't that's all set for [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► talked about debating [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► Robert e Rene Candela journaling visa [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► eternal and tunngle me yeah I oh yeah so [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► I understand the sentiment of those [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► people but I've never written a book [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► writing a book is really hard you know [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► it took two years this wasn't his main I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► don't think it was as Isaac's in the [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► main job for two years but it was two [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► years you know of pretty steady work and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► tons of interviews and talking to people [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► and I don't think he did a good enough [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► job and didn't do it thoroughly enough [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► so to do a really good job you had to [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► send me back in time multiple years and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► somehow support me for for multiple [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► years of intensive research and I would [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► still probably do a cruddy job as it [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► would be my very first book that I've [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► ever written so just because you agree [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► with me about what's wrong with it and [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► think that I you know I was right about [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► that doesn't mean I could do a better [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► job and so the flip side of that is no [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► I'm not angry because I think I could [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► have done a better job and well I I'm [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► not angry because I think someone [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► someone should have done a better job [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► and at some points I was so angry that I [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► entertained the silly notion that [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► actually I could have done a better job [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I think I mentioned that in the previous [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► show but that's just like that's being [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► kind of silly it's just like you know [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► you get so angry this something like [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► this is so bad even I could've done [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► about it using me as an example to show [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► how horrible it is that even someone [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► with no experience seems like you could [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► have done right but really writing a [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► book is very difficult um so a lot of [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► the reactions I saw from the people who [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► agreed with me were like I was looking [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► forward to reading this book but now [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► that I heard the show I'm not looking [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► forward to it or I was going to get this [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► book for Christmas or I had an order and [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► I cancelled my order for the book and [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► some other people were asking like all [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► these bad things do you think I should [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► still read the book uh I think I said [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► any other show but I'll make it more [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► clear now [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► there's information in this book that [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► can't be felt found elsewhere because he [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► had exclusive access to Steve Jobs [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► nobody else did and complete access [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► right and well you can't find this [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► information anywhere else except perhaps [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► in every review of the book and [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► interview with the author because he [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► tends to pull out the the juiciest bits [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► and and all the reviews plug the [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► juiciest butt so I guess you can't get [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the information that way but most of the [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► stuff is in the you know that the post [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► iMac jobs to era of Apple where [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► previously it was very little reporting [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► because apples just sort of so private [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► and all the employees were so private [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► after that fact so if you are excited [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► about this book you should probably [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► still get it because where else are you [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► going to get that information I mean it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► it's something is better than nothing [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► reading a shallow book with with some [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► new information is better than not [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► having an information at all right if [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► you want more or better information read [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► a whole bunch of the other books of the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► Isaacson pulled from right I mentioned [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► infinite loop in the plat in the past [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► show revolution in the valley Apple [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► confidential maybe even something like [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► the second coming of Steve Jobs or one [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► of those other Steve Jobs because the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► whole bunch of the most of them are kind [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► of trashy but and if you want to get [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► really deep you can go to like Scully's [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► book Odyssey or Emilio's book on the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► firing line just to get all sides of the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► story if you really just want to you [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► know know everything you could possibly [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► know about it but if you just want an [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► overview I would say read infinite loop [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► for early Apple stuff and for for later [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► Apple stuff what choices do you have the [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► only people that Apple employees and [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► Steve Jobs himself decided to talk to or [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► you know Isaacson [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► so just because I think the book was [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► disappointing in a wasted opportunity [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► doesn't mean you should not buy the book [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► if you're interested in this information [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► and you were before you heard the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► podcast get the book anyway because [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► knowing something is better than knowing [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► nothing all right [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► see I'm gonna get to this follow up come [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► on hmm so the nitpickers then picking [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► objectors people who don't like Vinit [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► picking I already went over that you [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► know this is not the main reason I [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► didn't like the book but now I do want [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► to actually discuss the nitpicking and [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► again try not to lose sight of the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► context related picking them and like I [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► might spot it so my question for the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► anti nitpicking people is what kind of [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► errors are permissible in a book of this [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► type like in a biography you know so [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► some might say if someone got a date [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► wrong by a day like it was April 22nd [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► April 21st that's missile glare right or [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► if someone misspelled someone's name or [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► a proper proper noun or something as [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► long as we all knew who they were [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► talking about that's permissible type of [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► error [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► I think we can all agree that you know [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► there's always going to be errors in the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► some errors are not worth getting worked [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► up about right that's kind of the root [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► of the anti nitpicking people's like [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► these are these errors don't change the [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► content or meaning of the book right you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► shouldn't get worked up about them my [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► question on that concept is given that [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► concept of permissible errors is there [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► count limit beyond which those formerly [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► permissible errors become non [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► permissible what if every proper noun in [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► the book was misspelled what if it was [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► misspelled differently each time you [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► could still tell who it was right but [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► like that there has to be a a limit [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► because if literally every proper noun [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► was spelled incorrectly in a new [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► incorrect different way every time even [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► if you could 100% understand who they [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► were talking about [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► you'd be annoyed by it right obviously [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► these are extreme said one extreme is [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► like one or two errors that no one cares [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► about the other extreme is just a [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► massive number and these are the same [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► types of errors very you know the court [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► on quote permissible errors all right so [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► that's the first point I want to make [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that no matter how minor the error the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► number of them the quantity is [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► meaningful right the second point I [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► wanna make is the the whole notion of [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► people said well the of course there are [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► as the book was rushed out right because [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► I've heard that a lot that that yes [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► people this was real the book was rushed [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► how can you blame him why why be angry [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► at him the book was rushed right I'm she [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► presumably rushed being up because he [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► died and they thought he would live [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► longer you know the right someone's over [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► all right so my question on that is all [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► right so does that does that make the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► errors okay does that make errors that [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► would formerly not be permissible [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► suddenly permissible because the book [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► was rushed and it was a example I was [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► thinking of like say say you hired [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► someone to paint in your house and the [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► house painters got paint all over your [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► window glass and someone says hated the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► painters do a good job and you say oh [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► well they were in a hurry [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► what's the answer did the really good [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► job well they were in a hurry right and [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► so and the other thing is someone sent [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► me just before the show a link to a New [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► York Times that interview with Isaacson [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► and the New York Times asked did you [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► publish the book early because you knew [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► mr. jobs is going to die and what [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► isaacman said is the book was done in [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► June I talked to my publishers and we [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► couldn't quite figure out when to [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► publish it there was no hard-and-fast [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► publication date so we sat decided to [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► set a date when Steve stepped down a CEO [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► in August and I said the end of the book [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► was different then it was him leaving [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► Apple of course than the end had to be [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► changed so it seems like the only part [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► that had to be [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► change in a rush job was the ending part [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► like the very ending you know like that [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► he's not just leaving he's actually uh [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► how died so I would include a couple of [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► cancer chapters in the later parts of [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► the book so I don't know maybe maybe he [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► was done with it in June the editing [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► wasn't done I don't know but either way [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► it was rushed is not it doesn't make [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► doesn't change the the nature of the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► errors to be more permissible you know [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► it's just an excuse it's like it's like [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the house painters who were in a hurry [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► you also what is still a bad job [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► painting the house and and the thing [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► about biography is like if you don't [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► care if you don't care about factual [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► errors in a biography what do you care [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► about what are you looking for in a [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► biography obviously again there are [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► errors that are that seem minor and that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► are permissible but the the number and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► severity of factual errors in this book [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► regardless of the cause though it was [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► rushed or whatever it'll be fixed in [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► later versions it it lessens the value [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► of the books it makes it a worse book [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► but one of the important things Barger [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► we should get right is the facts of the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► person's life what they're talking about [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► and the facts aren't just how things are [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► spelled but you know significant factors [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► of you who dread what to did what on [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► what date you know product decisions and [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► what they you know evolved in classic [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► Mac OS versus going with the next [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► operating since like they the eras in [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► this book escalated way beyond what I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► would consider permissible and of the [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► quote unquote permissible errors there [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► was a large number of them so I think [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► this lessens the quality of the book [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► again this is not why the book the major [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► reason that the book was disappointing [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► to me but it's like a symptom of other [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► problems and it you know it's a demerit [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► it's it counts in the negative column [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► for a biography and it's you know be a [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► sort of apologist for this book I don't [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► look what their motivation is but like [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► it's okay to have lots of factual errors [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► in a biography not a big deal it was [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► rushed I just don't get that mindset [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► doesn't mean you say the book is [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► horrible and you should never read it I [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► just said that you should read this to [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► get the information out of it and people [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► may read it enjoy it because this is [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► exactly what they're looking for I just [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► think it's a missed opportunity because [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► it was a unique opportunity so we had [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► some misinterpretations of what I said I [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► had a section on the last podcast it was [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► Steve Jobs enemy of progress or [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► I thought that was like sufficiently [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► tongue-in-cheek and procedures that [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► people would understand that I wasn't [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► actually saying that Steve Jobs is the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► enemy of progress it was supposed the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► title supposed to be you know funny when [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► I was mostly there was poking holes in [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► the idea the Steve Jobs on the right [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► side of every important decision that [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► Apple made right biggest here were some [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► concrete examples of where he was on the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► wrong side and had to be convinced and a [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► lot of people said well yeah he had to [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► be convinced but he was successfully [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► convinced and eventually it gave in to [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the people who want to gather way so [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that shows his genius [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► well isn't it better to be on the right [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► side and not have to be convinced [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► especially doing in a big pouty way like [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► you you jerks fine we'll do iPod on [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► windows uh but yes to his credit he did [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► he did allow the stuff even when he [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► disagree with he allowed himself to be [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► convinced by the other people around him [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► all right [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► and people say yes that shows his [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► brilliance I just think there's you know [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► when I was may important section was [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► sort of the anti deification of jobs [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► where some people think that everything [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► he does is exactly right and it was [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► carefully planned and even like his [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► refusal of an idea was just his way of [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► challenging people beneath him like he [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► is like he's never wrong he's infallible [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► everything even when he seems to be [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► wrong he's really using his wrong as to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► manipulate other people into having [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► stronger arguments against them and it's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► just you can turn any argument into you [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► know that to support your opinion the [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► Steve Jobs was infallible because he [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► could say well everything he did it [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► worked out well in the end right I I you [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► know again enemy of progress and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► obviously he's like the greatest CEO [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► ever in terms of results he turned the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► company around oh he's arguing in this [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► fax that's why the title Steve Jobs [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► enemy of progress is supposed to be [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► funny because it's so obviously [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► ridiculous and you know but it is I [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► think this is something you get out of [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► the this it the the information in the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► book that there were some situations [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► where he did things wrong someone that [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► written through the chat room says uh [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► challenging me to find a single example [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► of anyone who says Jobs was infallible [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► like I'm setting up a strong man for [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► this but the people who ride in are [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► taking these examples were jobs on the [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► wrong side of decision and using them as [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► evidence that Steve Jobs wasn't actually [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► on the wrong side of the thing this is [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► you know a way that he was using to to [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► help make people have stronger arguments [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and really he was on the right side of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► it just wanted [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► better arguments those people didn't say [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► that he was infallible but that type of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► convoluted logic makes me think that [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► they're going to every argument they [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► have is going to be in support of the I [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► of the premise that he was correct [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► because that's quite a way to bend over [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► backwards when there's like clear [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► evidence that he just didn't want [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► something that was obviously turned out [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► to be really good and had to be [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► convinced the other way so I'm not [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► trying to set up a straw man here I'm [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► just saying like when you see someone [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► with going through those kind of [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► contortions to support this type of [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► notion you have to think well is there [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► anything he could do that you would that [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► you would admit was you know a mistake [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► or something so all right I've got those [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► people a big theme that a Gruber brought [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► up in on the talk show and I've got a [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► lot of email about from a lot of people [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► was from both people who liked the book [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► and people who didn't like the book was [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the idea that either way uh you know [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► jobs pick this guy uh and maybe he knew [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► what he was getting maybe he picked this [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► guy because he knew what kind of book [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► Isaac summoned right and he wanted that [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► kind of book right and that this is [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► going a little bit more into detail is [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► that that the Steve Jobs in [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► characteristic fashion understood very [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► clearly exactly what Isaacson's skillset [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► and weaknesses were and that he selected [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► him as opposed to any of the other [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► people that we mentioned on any of the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► other shows or you because he knew that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► this is exactly the kind of book that he [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► would write and this is the kind of book [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► he wanted to leave behind for the world [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► yes and and I think it's interesting [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► because like I said people who really [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► like the book and people who really [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► didn't like the book both offered this [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► theory the first thing I would say about [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► this theory is I think it smells a [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► little bit like to me another example of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► the you know the cult of jobs where [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► everything he does is like a super [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► master plan and he's infallible and he's [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► you know he exactly knew what kind of [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► book this guy would write you know or he [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► picked them because he knew he could [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► manipulate him into writing the book [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that he wanted despite the fact that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► jobs insisted that he never be seen it [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► see anything in the book have no limits [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► on what it accesses or whatever and [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► still he just knew like byte by picking [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► this guy he could see the future the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► exact book [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► I think I find that farfetch'd [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► farfetch'd the Steve Jobs would think [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► that he could do that in far-fetched [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► that he would be successfully pull it [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► off I I think that's based on a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► priscilly premise of infallibility which [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► if anything should be cut down by all [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► the rest of this book showing how human [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► Steve Jobs really was oh now there is a [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► possibility that he thought whoever he [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► picked that jobs thought he could steer [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► the conversation a certain way because [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► he's you know master manipulator in his [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► own mind and in in reality in many cases [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► right uh and so he had to know something [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► like you know Isaacson is kind of a news [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► magazine type guy from time he kind of [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► knew the type of stuff he would write [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► about uh but I have a hard time [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► believing that like the what the one [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► thing I'll give Isaacson credit for is [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► that I think if Jobs tried to refuse to [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► talk about a certain topic or like you [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► know just fenced him off and didn't like [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► did type of invasive stuff you do when [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► you have a report like say reporters [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► talking to a politician the reporter [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► tries to nail him down if the reporters [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Stonewall's on something you know if the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► subject stone walls in something that's [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► something that Isaacson would have [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► written about he would have been like I [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► tried to talk the jabs about what's this [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► thing I thought was really important and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► he still in Walled me so I had to go [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► around him and I had to press him on and [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► I had to find out like that's just [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► reporter chasing a story so I have a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► hard time believing that Isaacson was [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► thwarted by jobs either by jobs telling [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► people not to talk to him or refusing [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► you know like there was some hidden [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► agenda that I said wouldn't write about [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that because that's his bread and butter [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► the press saying I tried to get this [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► information but they love you know like [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► in 60 minutes they love showing you get [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► the door slammed in their faces or [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► whatever like that's just solid regular [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► you know TV magazine news reporting [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► there's no way that Isaacson would have [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► would have been subjected to that and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► not written about it so I take [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► everything he said at face value he had [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► complete access job said nothing was [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► off-limits he was allowed to talk to [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► everybody all evidence points to that [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► all rationality points to that so if [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► that's the case I don't think that Jobs [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► could have manipulated the content in [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► any real way given the universal access [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► and given the fact that the jobs never [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► pressed back on it right but still you [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► cuz I find so maybe maybe that's that's [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► the beauty of manipulation Isaacson [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► didn't even know he's been he thought he [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► had complete access and yet jobs [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► during him in a certain direction all [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► right so my second answer to the the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► jobs pick this guy because he wanted it [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► this way is either way the way you [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► believe he did it or didn't it was [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► successful or wasn't you say the same [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► thing about the Star Wars special [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► editions in the prequels George Lucas [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► wanted to display this doesn't make it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► good that you know is again it's the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► cult of jobs well because jobs wanted [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► this way you know therefore it is good [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► no I don't really care what jobs wanted [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► him like he wanted this book to but you [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► know obviously he gets to pick who he [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► gets to pick but as an important [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► historical figure I am disappointed that [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► I didn't get a better more thorough more [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► thoroughly researched biography with [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► access to the actual person and all the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► all the people involved right so if that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► makes you feel better about it then [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► maybe you also feel better about the [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► special editions of Star Wars in the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► prequels because George Lucas Lando [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► because trust me George Lucas wanted it [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that way this is no good alright finally [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► a specific issue and the show I was [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► talking about PA semi and about I I [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► tried to be uh I try not to make it [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► sound like I was sure about this because [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► I wasn't I kept saying didn't they hire [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► it want PA semi to make them PowerPC [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► chips you know again I said in the book [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that the book said they made the a four [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► and I'm like yeah that that seems [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► reasonable to me but then they want to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► make PowerPC chips and how'd that work [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► out like there's some big store with P a [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► semi that I remember seeing rumors of [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and I would have liked it if the guy [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► with access to all the actual people [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► including Steve Jobs himself would have [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► expanded on that story as an example [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► that's another interesting I would have [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► liked to have seen there is we saw a [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► little bit in the early chapters about [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► jobs and Alisa team and how like if you [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► are even if you were in the same company [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► if you weren't on his team you were kind [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► of like on the outs and I would kind of [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► canned half the Lisa team and just those [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► were the loser guys because they weren't [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► it's like you're not with me you're [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► against me even within the same company [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► I would have loved to have seen in the [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► modern era how how that worked when for [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► example Apple purchased another company [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► but those were all outsiders and you [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► know how did they assimilate into the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► team like it at that point the entire [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► company was Steve Jobs his team and then [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► you buy PA semi with these other people [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► who were on Apple employees you know how [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► did how did Jobs handle that [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► how it was he more accepting that he [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► integrate them into the fold or was he [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► just unforgiving like those were all the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► losers and he fired most of them just [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► like I wanted to know more about pxm [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► abuse I thought oh but it was it's an [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► important part of the history of the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► company it would have been illuminating [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► to Steve Jobs character uh but in terms [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► of the specific case of me thinking that [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► they were they were purchased to make a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► PowerPC chip that chronology was wrong [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► because PA semi was bought in 2008 but [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► the Intel transition was over by 2006 [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► now PA semi originally did make a series [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► of PowerPC chips or maybe they just [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► reference designs or something uh and so [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► the rumors I think were like that Apple [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► was interested in what PA semi was doing [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► kind of in a vague way because they were [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► just desperate for anyone to make a fast [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► PowerPC chip for them there you know I [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► wanted IBM to do it and you know the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► Motorola was dropping the ball you know [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► so way back before PA semi was purchased [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► they may have been some rumors and [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► interest revolving around a PowerPC chip [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► from P SME for apples purposes but that [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► was never gone into in the book and and [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's all just rumors so finally we can [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► resume where I left off pretty good [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► 12:30 resume where I left off in the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► last show oh if I could find my spot [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► here all right I read off all the [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► sections the sections I had remaining in [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► the last show and I added one to the top [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► of it first what they wanted to sponsor [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► before I go into this in part of the job [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► may I [TS]

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00:31:44 ◼   ► blog typically in like one step they [TS]

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00:32:27 ◼   ► Haley in the chatroom pointed out the [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► other aspect of the theory that like [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► jobs picked this guy on purpose because [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► he knew what you'll be getting the other [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► theory is that it's it's part of jobs as [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► character as part of his vanity that he [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► wanted to pick the guy who also had done [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► biographies of Einstein at Franklin [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► which is kind of a it's believable but [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► then again someone with such amazing [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► attention to detail I don't know it's [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► hard it's hard to figure out like [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► obviously I think he picked the wrong [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► guy for the purpose of history and just [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► you know all for the good of all of us [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► as readers right I would be interested [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► to see if he read the book if when he [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► finished with it if he was still alive [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► if he thinks he picked the right guy in [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► terms if he got what he wanted again I [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► don't think him getting what he wanted [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► it changes my opinion of the end result [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► one way or the other because I don't [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► really care what he wanted my biography [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► is not about you know supposed to be [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► about it historical record or understand [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► the person it's not about satisfying the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► person the biography is about right so a [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► lot of people have asked uh you know who [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► should have written it and we made you [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► know we're talking about like when I was [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► in the depths of my despair about it [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that like anybody anybody I knew had [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► written anything online could be done [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► better job because they would have been [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► at the very least like you know [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► enthusiastic and hungry about it [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► that was actually quote from this this [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► this New York Times one on one is full [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► of things that make me angry [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► where is this quote so one of the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► questions was to Isaacson do you worry [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► that your name will always be linked to [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► Steve Jobs and Isaacson says no that [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► will pass I have a very life Steve Jobs [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► was just one of many biographies I've [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► written which is true and that's another [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► reason I thought that any any random you [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► know Apple fan on the web who can write [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► would have not considered the Steve Jobs [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► bio just being like now it's just [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► another thing I'm doing right they would [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► have just been hard core completely into [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► maybe they wouldn't have done a better [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► job either but I'm just saying like that [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► that's that's emblematic of one of my [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► main complaints about the the bio is [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► that it just it didn't seem like a big [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► deal for him and he didn't treat it as [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► seriously as I thought he should have [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► been going to depth he said I should [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► have so so seriously speaking you know [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► who should have written this who's you [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► know who would have done a better job [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► now I don't read a lot of bar if he has [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► only read a handful in my life but I [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► knew right away like even before I [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► started reading the book when I knew [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► there's going to be official jobs bio [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► like I you know I had fantasies that [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► this would be the person to do it so my [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► favorite biography that I've ever read [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► is the power broker by Robert Caro it's [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► my favorite biography for many reasons [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► many of which may not necessarily be [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► relevant appeal first of all I grew up [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► on Long Island which is where the story [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► takes place it's a biography of Robert [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► Moses who was a big part of the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► infrastructure in the Long Island New [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► York metro area in terms of making roads [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► and bridges and parks and everything my [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► father worked for the department [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► transportation in New York State I'm you [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► know I love the beaches of Long Island [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and the parkways that he's made and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► Robert Moses is one of my favorite [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► beaches you know in the entire world [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that I've been to [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► so obviously I'm predisposed to like [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► this book but it's not just me I believe [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► that Robert Caro run pealed surprise for [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► this biography and also Robert Caro's [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► best known I think are most known now [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► for doing a an insane biography of is it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► Lyndon Johnson command I should have [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► liked this yes he's in the process of [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► doing a multi-volume giant biography of [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► one of the Lyndon Johnson I believe but [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► but the power book was just about one [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► guy's about a thousand page book and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's if it's very it's kind of dry I [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► would say like if you long aside [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► everyone go out and read the power [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► broker because it's a thousand pages [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► about a biography of a person you've [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► probably never heard of uh and it goes [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► into insane detail every angle every [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► aspect of this person's life is export [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► explored you know ten ways to son of any [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► person who's ever known ever talked to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► him ever work to him anyone involved in [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► any situation all sides of it [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► extensively reported and catalogued and [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► described and there is an overall [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► narrative to it which people do like [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► again it is a thousand thousand page [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► book so it may be tough to get through [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► but one of the reasons people seem to [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► love the power broker is that karo does [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► weave a narrative through it and I [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► mentioned the previous thing the Isaacs [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and you know you can do a biography [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► where you just sort of report the facts [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► and you can do one where you have like [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► an editorial opinion I and I complained [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► about Isaacson because he mostly stayed [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► out of it and then just doing these [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► little jabs that were not supported karo [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► takes the approach of he's got an [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► opinion of of the life of Robert Moses [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► he's got a story he's got a narrative [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► these built and he hasn't then he didn't [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► come in with the narrative he didn't [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► come in and say here's what I think I [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► think Robert Moses is a jerk and I'm [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► going to build a book around that he [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► arrived at the narrative but is studying [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► the life extensively and then weave that [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► narrative into it to help you understand [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the significance of every event and how [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► was influenced by the character the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► person how it changed the character of [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► the person so that's why people really [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► love this biography it was finished in [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► 1974 so it's a very old book and it [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► talks about events that were happening [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► before then Robert Moses I think died in [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► like the early 80s so Robert Moses was [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► alive when this book was written [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► and if you read this book like if you [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► really want to know what do I think a [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► rant biography has read this book it's a [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► thousand pages when you're done with [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that I hope you'll understand what what [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► in my dreams I expected out of Steve [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► Jobs with a job biography right ah so [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► this is that's the type of person to do [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it that's the type of thing I wanted and [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► when you get done with that book like [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► hold your ears now he did seven [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► interviews with Robert Moses you read [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► that booking like this is from seven [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► interviews now how many interviews do [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► you think that I just think that was [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► Steve Jobs I think he said some like [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► forty or more so it sounds about right [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► like a huge number of inches with Steve [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► Jobs and you can be like 40 interviews [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► equals the islands in book and then [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► seven interviews equals this giant thing [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► like no wait well it's because he didn't [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► it just take from Robert Moses Russell [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► Robert Moses was kind of like Steve Jobs [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► and he wasn't like but it was different [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► in Rob Moses doesn't like come write a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► biography of me you know was not all [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► gung-ho for the whole thing it was kind [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► of more of an adversarial relationship [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► uh it wasn't it was the it was not like [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► the jobs thing so that's why there's [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► fewer interviews but did that stop him [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► did he say well I won't get seven [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► interviews and this buddy told me so [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► it's all I can write about no he did the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► legwork for years and years of legwork [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► to just find out everything you possibly [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► know it's kind of like a biography of a [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► historian where the everyone's dead and [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► you got to figure it out [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► it's that combined with all the best of [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► what if everyone's still alive because [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the people were still alive for the most [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► part he talked to everyone involved [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► everyone and just did his homework and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► just made so much more insightful [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► compelling informative educational [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► biography than this I see something now [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► this is the feeling this is a high [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► standard also it should have been [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► appealed surprise printing a biography [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► by Robert Caro of you know high bar I [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► understand that and maybe the Lyndon [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► Johnson thing is too much because it's [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► like you know uh multiple volumes I [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► think it's not done but uh if anyone [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► wants to read a great biography read the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► power broker and maybe if it was half as [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► good as that I would have been ecstatic [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► if it was but the in my dreams that's [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► what the jobs buy it would have been [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► like some of the chat room ask how many [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► interviews I would have done with Steve [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► Jobs yeah I was going to ask that as [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► many as I possibly could I mean why do [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► you think that the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► again I think you quoted it 40 I think I [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► remember reading 40 interviews or [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► something along those lines now [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► considering that do you think that the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► interviews were limited uh by Steve Jobs [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► or do you think that that Isaacson [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► simply felt that he had enough or or or [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► why why were there as many as forty or [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► the flipside why were there only 40 well [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► I have to think that the major limiting [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► factor was Steve Jobs his schedule is [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► like how much you know he's sick he's [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► got two companies to run it's gonna be [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► hard to get on his schedule at all [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► uh but on the flip side of that it [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► wasn't like he had three months to do [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► this and had to jam all the interview [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► had two years he seems like he even when [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► he wasn't like interviewing him in terms [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► like one-on-one he seems like he spent a [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► lot of time with them like he was with [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► them he was hanging out right is you [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► know this is my bar for he's just going [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► to come with me I'm not sitting down and [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► talking to him in a Q&A session but he's [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► they're seeing stuff happen right uh so [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► I think you know the number of [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► interviews it's seen I'll bet that's as [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► many as they could get he get on his [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► schedule and and you know I don't know [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► if he was doing this as a full-time job [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► Isaacson was doing his full-time job so [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► maybe he had other things to do too uh [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► you know I bet when Robert kara was [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► riding the power broker I don't know if [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► he was doing other things too I don't [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► know how many years it took but like you [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► know you tried to get as many interviews [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► as you possibly can if you can't get him [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► with the guy you talk with the other [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► people so I don't I don't you know what [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► I'm really contrasting the book with [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► it's not not saying that he didn't do [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► enough interviews or just that like I [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► guess he he squandered his time in those [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► interviews because it or overestimated I [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► don't know it seems like he with 40 [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► interviews worth of material he came up [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► with a book that was such a pale shadow [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► of a thing that only had five interviews [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► with the subject an adversarial chub [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► ejected that what what the power broker [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► kind of shows is that you can make a [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► great biography with minimal access to [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► the guy but having some access to the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► guy is better than none at all and the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► reason I had even higher standards to [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► the jobs bio is because I think jobs [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► isn't more important figure in history [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► than Robert Moses and you had unlimited [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► access to it so it should have been just [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► been a bonanza right because you had [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► unlimited access to the other non [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► subject people as friends also [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► workers you know the people most of them [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► are still alive yeah and they're not [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► stopping you from talking to them you [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► know we do the legwork and get them and [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► on top of that you have basically [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► unlimited access to jobs limited only by [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► your schedules together it's not like [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► he's refusing to talk to you and stuff [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► so yeah I don't think it was a count [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► thing so on to the unto the next section [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► in my tale on that now people are [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► thinking oh I want here part two where [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► you just complain about the books more [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► maybe I kind of just did that a little [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► bit but mostly when I read off those [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► headings this I'm gonna be talking about [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► the content of the book finally you know [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► those headings that I read last week [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► we're about things that were in the book [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► so this is going to be more talking [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► hopefully more talking about jobs [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► himself and less talking about the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► author and the whole process of writing [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► because there was new information in [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► this book as I said he was the only guy [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► with access he got stuff that people [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► didn't get because he's going when the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► jobs talk to the first section is a jobs [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the TV watcher this is something a lot [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► of people wondered about like with the [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► whole Apple TV thing and it's a hobby [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► some people said well the reason Apple [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► TVs think this big Steve Jobs doesn't [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► watch TV because if you watch TV he [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► wouldn't be able to tolerate this cruddy [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► thing other people said the Apple TV [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► exists because Steve Jobs must watch TV [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► because he's annoyed by actual regular [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► TV and you want something simpler and as [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► far as he's concerned anything is better [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► than that horrible you know existing TV [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► system so there was stories in the book [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► about that one was talking about when he [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► was working at Apple it picks our full [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► time and he was just kind of burning the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► candle at both ends and exhausting [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► himself that he was said like when he [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► came home from when he finally got home [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► from work after working these two you [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► know stressful jobs and commuting and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► everything all I could do was was plop [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► down and watch a half an hour of TV and [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► vegetate when he got home yeah he [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► couldn't even talk yeah which is like [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► you know you think all Steve Jobs he [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► only does things that are like an [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► enriching artful and he would never you [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► know you would never have a television [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► in his house and now he's just like us [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► he you come home you tired you can't [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► think you just you just want to plop [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► down from TV and vegetate who knows what [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► he's watching maybe watching Jersey [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► Shore for all we know like people are [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► people right right but this again the [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► anti deification of jobs one of the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► things that if people had never read [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► another book about Steve Jobs you might [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► have been shocked by all of the the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► human qualities of them but most of the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► books of Steve Jobs get into that like [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► you know well you might love Steve Jobs [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► if he's really a jerk [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► that's the big theme but this one also [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► got into like you know he's not a super [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► being he's just like us right [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► and during recuperation from one of his [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► procedures or surgeries or something [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► he said he signed up for Comcast cable [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► and then you know in typical this is a [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► typical Steve Jobs fashion he called up [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the person who ran Comcast and they got [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► Brian Roberts and the guy said I thought [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► he was calling to say something nice [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► about it Roberts recalled instead he [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► told me it sucks so that's what you can [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► imagine Steve Jobs doing he signs up for [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► Comcast gets a little hooked up sits [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► down in front of it starts to watch it [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► and anybody's trying to use that guide [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► or something or whatever is gonna be [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► like this is horrible [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► so this this leads credence to the idea [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► that Steve Steve Jobs I understand that [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► a personal level how horrible television [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► is even if he's not like an obsessive TV [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► watcher you know he he knows that it [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► stinks and he does watch television and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I guess the illness and stuff like that [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► made him watch even more of it so I [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► thought that was a new piece of [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► information so people can finally stop [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► speculating about the idea that Apple TV [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► stinks because Steve Jobs doesn't watch [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► TV or thinks TV is stupid or has no idea [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► about TV obviously not true job does [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► success they had a lot of good quotes [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► from Ivan here and I wish they had [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► talked more not just i but to his entire [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► team and all the people involved in it [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► because it is a good example of what [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► when I wrote that uh I forget I think it [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► was after he died when I wrote yeah it [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► was when I wrote my my personal [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► remembrance of Steve Jobs the the big [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► takeaway I I was pulling from his life [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► was the idea that all the bad things [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► that happen when large groups of people [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► get together aren't inevitable and so if [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► you in big companies is a particular [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► example but any large group people were [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like you know in the Dilbert kind of [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► atmosphere if anyone has worked for a [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► big corporation we all know the things [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that happen in big corporations and how [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► just poisonous they are to doing the [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► right things success to losing sight of [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► what's important and that that I think [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► is the is going to be the most important [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► lasting contribution of Steve Jobs to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► the world of human endeavor even beyond [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the particulars of technology in stuff [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► like that is that he proved that you can [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► be a gigantic company and not be idiotic [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► not be like Dilbert [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► you know there was lots of people [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► theories like well that's great when [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► you're a startup on you're a real big [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► serious company you can't make decisions [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► like actually you can actually it works [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► really well and the reason he was able [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► to do that but because he was in a [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► unique position because he had a huge [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► amount of power huge loyalty from his [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► employees and the board all these other [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► reasons but like buddy you know it was a [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► perhaps a not a UNIX and of course he [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► was you know brilliant and right a lot [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► of the time stuff like that but it just [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► it just shows that you can you know you [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► can do it and so one of the examples [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► that I've gave was before jobs came back [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► all the rest of Apple wanted from the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► design group was the engineers would [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► make the computer and then they would [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► hand it off to design guys and say okay [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► put something nice around that and make [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► it you know then the engineers would [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► make a cheap thing and and you know and [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► then we said just put something put the [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► case on that or something like and [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► that's not what a designer wants to hear [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► he doesn't want to be given a blob and [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► told to put something around it make it [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► look nice that's like a Gruber's old SAR [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► Ronco spray-on usability [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that's like Ronco spray-on design but [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► we've already designed the computer but [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► here you go just make it look nice or [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► something and don't make it too [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► expensive all right and it I was about [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► to quit because of this because who [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► wants to be in a company like this is [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► why companies into that operate like [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► regular companies have trouble [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► attracting great talent and great [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► designers you know well you can imagine [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► if you work for like Samsung or Dell or [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► something you're a designer and you just [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► really wanted to you want to be the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Johnny I've Dale you can't because the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► people of Dell don't value you as much [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► as Steve Jobs understood and valued I've [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► so I was ready to quit and when Jobs [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► took over he gave I have a pep talk and [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► you know said look at this that's not [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► the way it's gonna work from now on [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► you know I'm here now that's not the way [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► we're on the show [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► trust me to stick around because you and [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► I will work together we'll make we'll [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► make great things [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► ah another example that that I have gave [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► was that he wanted to uh I think it was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► I'm asking when to put a handle on it [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► and apparently putting handles are [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► expensive as multiple pieces and a big [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► recessed thing and has to be strong [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► enough for you to grip and all this [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► stuff uh and he's saying that you know [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► you would expect him to say like and [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► that's what's special about Apple [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► because you know other companies [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► wouldn't have allowed me to make this [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► expensive feature that seems like a [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► frill or whatever then I what he said [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► instead was [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► that you know when he was arguing for [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the handle and why why you should get it [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► because the engineering would always be [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► pushing back against and then jobs would [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► come and intercede and say no we got to [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► do it right [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► he said I've says at the old Apple I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► would have lost that argument not at [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► another company but literally at the old [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► Apple before Jobs came back even at [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► Apple I would have lost the argument for [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► this expensive seemingly needless handle [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► but with jobs there he said no that's [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► cool I like the handle I get it I [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► understand why a designer would want [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► that and we're keeping it and I don't [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► care that it costs more money again the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► iMac case again is saying that it cost [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► $60 to make a case for each iMac which [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► is three times as much as a regular [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► computer case and I think this is Isaac [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► in saying this are paraphrasing [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► something that I've said that other [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► companies would have demanded [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► presentations and studies to show [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► whether like we're gonna make our money [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► back on this you know if we spend 60 [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► bucks on a translucent case are we gonna [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► sell enough more units to make up for [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► the cost of tooling and everything I'm [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like no there's no profit and loss study [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► right there's no you know return on [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► investment job says it looks cool we're [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► sticking to it that's what a small [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► company would do and big companies just [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► you know all you gotta have the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► PowerPoint presentation so I'll bring in [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► the finance guys to get a look at this [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► that disease is why big companies suck [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and you know and it's just it's very [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► rare to get anyone so in charge of such [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► a big company that they can make those [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► decisions without this chair holders [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► yelling without like the board you know [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► there's always people second-guessing so [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► you gotta act like the risk-averse then [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► you know you gotta act like a big [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► company don't do that [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► but at Apple you know that's not how [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► things work when Jobs came back and Tim [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► Cook point out that and he said this in [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► earning calls as well and later as this [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► might be more came from in the book that [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► they don't have a profit and loss for [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► divisions like the the division you know [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► for design and engineering and you know [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► manufacturing all don't have their own [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► profit and loss statements and they're [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► not like they're not like pitted against [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► each other whereas they well I think [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► this case would be great in this [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► computer but if you put this on there my [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► profit and loss ratio for the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► manufacturing branch of the company is [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► going to be horrible this year because [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► there's no way we can sustain having to [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► make all that new tooling and you know [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and Tim Cook says we don't have [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► divisions we have one profit and loss [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► for the whole company so they're not [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► they're not worried about like this [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► little Empire over here in software and [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► this little piece over here and like [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► they're all pitted against each other to [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► make their bottom lines look good to say [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► well the manufacturing doofuses did [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► poorly this year but the engineering [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► guys who make hardware did great and and [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the software guys you know it's one [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► profit and loss for the whole company if [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this will make a better product let's [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► all work together to make a better [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► product and very few big companies do [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► that they you know that managers and [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► middle managers build little empires [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► within the company there to say like [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► well my division is doing great and that [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► goes towards my bonus in my raise and [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► and that kind of stuff is poison to you [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► know if you're losing sight of what you [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► supposed to be doing useful to making it [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► great whatever you're supposed to make a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► great door knob a great knife a great [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► computer that's the goal it's not the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► goal is not to make sure your division [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► of the knife manufacturing opposition [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► that acquires steel did great this year [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► because you found a way to get really [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► cheap steel it's only a little bit less [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the worse than the old steel you were [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► getting but boy look at the bottom line [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► for your division now you're just doing [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► gangbusters and you get a raise and you [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► go up to VP right that's not that's the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► way business works that's not how it [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► should work and the success of Apple [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► it's so great that Apple succeeded in [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► this because the first version of Apple [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► was the company that made the Macintosh [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► which was so ridiculously better than [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► ms-dos to anyone with half a brain and [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► yet it lost in the market and that was [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► depressing it was like you can make this [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► great thing that just is just obviously [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► so much better but for reasons unrelated [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► to the quality of the product it's going [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► to fail and it's like well maybe that's [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► maybe you can't do that maybe that type [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► of thing where when you're a big company [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► you do make a great product maybe that [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► doesn't work well I'm just so glad the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► jobs - error came along to disprove that [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► theory to say no actually making great [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► products and not doing all that big [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► company BS Canon does lead to success [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► crazy success biggest company in the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► entire United States success that kind [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► of thing oh it's in arguable you can't [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► sale that's not you that doesn't work [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► you can't do that unless you're a [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► start-up Steve Jobs is ethos the next [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► section ethos yeah I'm going to do a [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► sponsor while you prepare for this sure [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► go for it second sponsor longtime [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► sponsor Shopify calm the Internet's most [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► elegant customizable and scalable hosted [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► ecommerce platform I use these guys on [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► myself anytime that I sell 5x5 t-shirts [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► by the way we're coming up with some but [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► I use I do everything with them why [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► I know how to do HTML CSS and build [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► websites I build 5x5 I know how to do [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► been doing this for years why because it [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► they make it easier they make it faster [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► because my time I would rather be [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► spending my time on the shows with you [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► then like trying to make e-commerce work [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► because if that that's hard stuff so [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► what do you get with Shopify you get [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► your own online store you can accept [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► credit cards you can use your own domain [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► if you want or there's you customize [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► your store as much as you want or as [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► little as you want they've got like 100 [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► more than 100 professionally designed [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► templates or you just do your own [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► doesn't matter there's nothing to [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► download there's something to maintain [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► there's nothing to worry about and it's [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► a hundred percent PCI DSS compliant 100 [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► so if you don't even know what that [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► means it's legal stuff that you don't [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► want to deal with on your own you can [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► totally trust them with your business [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► they're fully secure they have that they [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► have sites that do millions of dollars [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► per month in sales so trust me yours [TS]

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00:54:13 ◼   ► free normally they give you a month free [TS]

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00:54:21 ◼   ► doesn't matter what you want to sell [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► physical stuff electronic stuff you can [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► do it at Shopify com check them out love [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► those guys [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► alright the ethos thing it was in [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► reference to to Android and so as zooms [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► s I'm like you know Android doing better [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► this is when Android market share with [TS]