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00:00:04 ◼   ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be obliterated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/12">TS</a>]

00:00:16 ◼   ► by my co-host John siracusa I'm Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19 ◼   ► Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20 ◼   ► today is November 4th 2011 this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/20">TS</a>]

00:00:23 ◼   ► episode number 41 we would like to say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/23">TS</a>]

00:00:26 ◼   ► quick thanks to bare-bones calm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28 ◼   ► makers of BBEdit and also to MailChimp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31 ◼   ► calm for making this show possible we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34 ◼   ► will tell you more about them as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/34">TS</a>]

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00:00:50 ◼   ► reinvigorate net hey john siracusa hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/50">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► dan benjamin we have a guest we do first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00 ◼   ► for the show remember yeah who is it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/60">TS</a>]

00:01:04 ◼   ► is Jeff Atwood I've heard that name how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/64">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► can we describe Jeff Atwood creator of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09 ◼   ► coding horror very practical programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11 ◼   ► blog from way back when but more widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14 ◼   ► known today as what or do you call your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16 ◼   ► co-founder of Stack Overflow is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/76">TS</a>]

00:01:20 ◼   ► correct title Jeff mm-hm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► it is sure co-founder of stack overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► the Stack Exchange network of Q&A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/84">TS</a>]

00:01:27 ◼   ► websites if you're a programmer and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29 ◼   ► have a question about how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31 ◼   ► something Stack Overflow calm is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/91">TS</a>]

00:01:33 ◼   ► site for you and they have expanded they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/93">TS</a>]

00:01:34 ◼   ► now have an empire the Stack Exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36 ◼   ► network of Q&A sites about I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/96">TS</a>]

00:01:39 ◼   ► how many topics you have 50 something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/99">TS</a>]

00:01:40 ◼   ► huge number of topics everything from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43 ◼   ► cooking to video games to bicycling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/103">TS</a>]

00:01:46 ◼   ► do-it-yourself home improvement he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49 ◼   ► this with Joel Spolsky who is still too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51 ◼   ► big to come in the show but we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/111">TS</a>]

00:01:52 ◼   ► him eventually someday and we asked Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/112">TS</a>]

00:01:57 ◼   ► Oh Jeff is very much a man of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00 ◼   ► yes he is he is he's very very into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03 ◼   ► doing things out in the open and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05 ◼   ► would qualify as one of those things oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07 ◼   ► and uh he was on the pipeline I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09 ◼   ► the pipeline interview show that Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► does so if you want to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► and get extensive background on him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17 ◼   ► his business and his interest go listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19 ◼   ► to the episode of the pipeline in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20 ◼   ► you may want to pause this now go find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that episode of the pipeline downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/143">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I'll put it in the show notes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26 ◼   ► resume when you when you understand who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28 ◼   ► Jeff isn't where he's coming from I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29 ◼   ► already got it in the show notes it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31 ◼   ► episode number 38 which was recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33 ◼   ► January 11th of 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36 ◼   ► oh I don't actually know I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► wasn't recorded January 11th but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40 ◼   ► released January 11th so welcome back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43 ◼   ► Jeff yeah thank you and that was a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/163">TS</a>]

00:02:47 ◼   ► show I've gotten compliments on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/167">TS</a>]

00:02:48 ◼   ► people really liked that show it showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50 ◼   ► that you were you were a human being and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► not just a fearful shocked looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55 ◼   ► avatar that's right that's right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► hopefully won't be recapping that here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00 ◼   ► when us is going to really definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02 ◼   ► not be a kiss that's why I suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04 ◼   ► people do so the reason I wanted to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05 ◼   ► Jeff on is because he was kind enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/185">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► have me on his podcast the Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10 ◼   ► Exchange podcast with him and Joel and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12 ◼   ► couple other cast of characters who come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14 ◼   ► in and out and that's mostly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► talking about the Stack Exchange Network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17 ◼   ► and they invite on different people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20 ◼   ► are involved in the stacking string that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22 ◼   ► constrains network in some way or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24 ◼   ► are a longtime fans of it like I am and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26 ◼   ► just interesting people in general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/206">TS</a>]

00:03:27 ◼   ► know yes so I was on there and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/207">TS</a>]

00:03:31 ◼   ► end of that podcast I think Joel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/211">TS</a>]

00:03:35 ◼   ► Jeff and I got into a tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38 ◼   ► microcosm of the typical mac/pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40 ◼   ► arguments that were had on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42 ◼   ► and in decades past and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/222">TS</a>]

00:03:45 ◼   ► was fun and then we were you know poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47 ◼   ► each other on Twitter about Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/227">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► related topics and I figured a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► other people tells it to take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54 ◼   ► somewhere else so we're taking it to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/234">TS</a>]

00:03:55 ◼   ► podcast taking it to my podcast where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57 ◼   ► have enough room to stretch out and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/237">TS</a>]

00:04:00 ◼   ► a good old fashioned Mac PC Apple is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/240">TS</a>]

00:04:04 ◼   ► devil apples great argument and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07 ◼   ► hopefully in a different tone a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► different slightly different take than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/248">TS</a>]

00:04:09 ◼   ► you don't know something gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► little more thoughtful hopefully not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13 ◼   ► just knee-jerk Apple versus PC cuz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16 ◼   ► don't really I'm not really interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/256">TS</a>]

00:04:17 ◼   ► in that but I think there is some nuance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19 ◼   ► to it yeah well so can head I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22 ◼   ► to say that like I mean this is all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► fun on Twitter and everything but it two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26 ◼   ► things one when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► when I thought of having a podcast of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► own I wanted to have a podcast where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31 ◼   ► would get people who disagreed with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33 ◼   ► on the podcast and then I would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35 ◼   ► with them because I like arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► people but I also understood that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► of people don't like to hear other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39 ◼   ► people argue they find they find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40 ◼   ► irritating and they don't like it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42 ◼   ► people are disagreeable they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/282">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► information to be conveyed and they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45 ◼   ► to be entertained but they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/285">TS</a>]

00:04:46 ◼   ► just hear a bunch of people bickering so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/286">TS</a>]

00:04:47 ◼   ► there's some people who like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48 ◼   ► some people who don't so I've had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50 ◼   ► balance that Dan disagrees with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51 ◼   ► enough to give enough flavor in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53 ◼   ► regard but the second thing I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54 ◼   ► say is that my prediction before we even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56 ◼   ► begin this is that Jeff and I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► agree on almost everything and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00 ◼   ► comes down to like how we say it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► where we insert the snark and maybe our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► backgrounds but when it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08 ◼   ► the actual individual points I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10 ◼   ► will find we are mostly in violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► agreement even though we may sound very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14 ◼   ► different when we talk about this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/314">TS</a>]

00:05:15 ◼   ► and before we start that I one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► wanted to bring up if it's okay with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19 ◼   ► is you had mentioned and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21 ◼   ► would present what I remember but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/321">TS</a>]

00:05:22 ◼   ► remember coming from you several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24 ◼   ► about how difficult it is to watch shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/324">TS</a>]

00:05:28 ◼   ► television and movie where children are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/328">TS</a>]

00:05:32 ◼   ► in danger like once you have a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/332">TS</a>]

00:05:33 ◼   ► this was a good pose they did on my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37 ◼   ► personal I understand that like III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39 ◼   ► think I'm trying to remove the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41 ◼   ► but it there's it's so true it's so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/341">TS</a>]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that like once you have a kid it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46 ◼   ► unlocks some door in you we're watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/346">TS</a>]

00:05:50 ◼   ► these movies and stuff where children or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51 ◼   ► danger becomes really painful like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/351">TS</a>]

00:05:54 ◼   ► really internalize that like what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56 ◼   ► happen like the most horrible thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58 ◼   ► can think of as something happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59 ◼   ► your child and then sort of once that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02 ◼   ► door has been unlocked in you man it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04 ◼   ► really changes the way you look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06 ◼   ► shows because I think I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/366">TS</a>]

00:06:07 ◼   ► skeptical as like oh whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09 ◼   ► people are very sensitive about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/369">TS</a>]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like that doesn't make sense and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/370">TS</a>]

00:06:13 ◼   ► sure enough I believe John was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15 ◼   ► like now when I watch stuff like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17 ◼   ► like I cringe really is your ebrill at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/377">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► all like you're your rational brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/382">TS</a>]

00:06:23 ◼   ► like yeah whatever no big deal is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25 ◼   ► like you know like distinguish between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/385">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► things that make you upset or nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/386">TS</a>]

00:06:30 ◼   ► cerebrally like for example of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32 ◼   ► who don't like public speaking like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34 ◼   ► for example yes the thought of going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36 ◼   ► in front of the room and speaking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/396">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► public you know it's like oh boy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/397">TS</a>]

00:06:38 ◼   ► really nervous about this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39 ◼   ► you're nervous right whereas the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41 ◼   ► other things like for example watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/401">TS</a>]

00:06:44 ◼   ► some horrible stupid be sci-fi movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47 ◼   ► that just happens to have children in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/407">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► danger you rational brains like how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49 ◼   ► movie is stupid but there's some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51 ◼   ► part of you that's triggered by these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53 ◼   ► children in danger you're like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54 ◼   ► this feeling I'm having but it does like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/414">TS</a>]

00:06:55 ◼   ► doesn't connect with the rational part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57 ◼   ► of your brain is like or even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/417">TS</a>]

00:06:58 ◼   ► we've already seen I seen this movie 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00 ◼   ► times why is this bother me why why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02 ◼   ► my heart rate increasing why do I feel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03 ◼   ► little bit upset no until you join you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06 ◼   ► feel manipulated to you feel like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► they're really just pushing my buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09 ◼   ► rightly they're doing this just to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► rise out of me and you know it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13 ◼   ► works I don't know if I go that far cos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15 ◼   ► I'm still able to understand it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17 ◼   ► it's not them it's me like that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19 ◼   ► point of my blogpost I'll put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/439">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► show notes it's like it's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22 ◼   ► people watch that and they get upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23 ◼   ► about the people who made this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/443">TS</a>]

00:07:24 ◼   ► like oh well I'm offended well I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26 ◼   ► you know and people don't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28 ◼   ► the things that are going to upset you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/448">TS</a>]

00:07:29 ◼   ► have so much more to do with you than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31 ◼   ► they do with the creator it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32 ◼   ► this movie is bad or those people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► out to get you because they happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36 ◼   ► have children in peril and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38 ◼   ► examples I think I gave was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39 ◼   ► like if you were in a horrific car crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41 ◼   ► some time in your life any movie or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43 ◼   ► television show that involves a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/463">TS</a>]

00:07:44 ◼   ► crash you will find upsetting right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/464">TS</a>]

00:07:48 ◼   ► that then people make the leap to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49 ◼   ► hate these people who made the show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the car grass don't they understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52 ◼   ► people out there I've had car crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54 ◼   ► this is very upsetting to us you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55 ◼   ► don't hate the creators there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57 ◼   ► it's not the content itself that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59 ◼   ► inherently evil or manipulative they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01 ◼   ► just can't account for all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02 ◼   ► experiences that individual people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03 ◼   ► have had so I don't I definitely don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05 ◼   ► that was one of the points of my blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07 ◼   ► post I definitely don't go through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/487">TS</a>]

00:08:08 ◼   ► blame the creators of this content I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/488">TS</a>]

00:08:09 ◼   ► think creators have to be aware that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11 ◼   ► has this effect on certain people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14 ◼   ► there's just no way you can create art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/494">TS</a>]

00:08:15 ◼   ► with worrying about well if the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► had a relative who had cancer we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/497">TS</a>]

00:08:18 ◼   ► have a cancer plotline if the person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/498">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► ever in a car crash we can have a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► crash and the person have kids we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/501">TS</a>]

00:08:22 ◼   ► have kids in danger you can't create art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that way yeah there's a certain taboo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26 ◼   ► around children I mean if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28 ◼   ► videogames for example I remember and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/508">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► fallout in other games there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30 ◼   ► games where you just cannot harm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32 ◼   ► children it's just not it's so taboo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34 ◼   ► people complain about that and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36 ◼   ► leave it but it but there's a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38 ◼   ► taboo around it that there's not a taboo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40 ◼   ► around safety oh yeah everybody has kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► but how many people have been in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/522">TS</a>]

00:08:43 ◼   ► horrific car crash you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/523">TS</a>]

00:08:44 ◼   ► common experience and the bond is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45 ◼   ► strong with children it's just yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48 ◼   ► there's a gradation there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51 ◼   ► and you shouldn't do something to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► intentionally manipulative like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56 ◼   ► doing this because I know will upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58 ◼   ► people with kids but if it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59 ◼   ► story you know that's it's a balance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02 ◼   ► think there's something there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► something to that I mean in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► anecdotally the thing about you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07 ◼   ► you go to prison if you're known as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09 ◼   ► person who are its children like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/549">TS</a>]

00:09:10 ◼   ► the criminals hate you right like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that's what I remember hearing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15 ◼   ► believe it right because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/555">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► something like even if you're hardened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17 ◼   ► criminal that's like basically evil like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20 ◼   ► you will do harm to other criminals who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/560">TS</a>]

00:09:21 ◼   ► have harmed children so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24 ◼   ► there's a lot of residue with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26 ◼   ► criminals were children at one point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27 ◼   ► were very likely harm themselves that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29 ◼   ► actually an example of somebody who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/569">TS</a>]

00:09:30 ◼   ► well well I was harmed as a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32 ◼   ► therefore if I anytime I see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33 ◼   ► happening it makes me very upset so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35 ◼   ► odds of a criminal having a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37 ◼   ► childhood are very high and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38 ◼   ► comes in who hurts children that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40 ◼   ► to trigger in all those people not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► just because it's like a taboo but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43 ◼   ► because that happened to them it's as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45 ◼   ► they were all in car crashes and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46 ◼   ► car crash comes in to prison you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48 ◼   ► that's a really interesting theory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► makes sense I mean I don't think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52 ◼   ► criminals were necessarily mistreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54 ◼   ► children but I agree it's just more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► likely it is compounding because even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► you if you were not in a place full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/597">TS</a>]

00:09:58 ◼   ► criminals even just normal people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00 ◼   ► normal childhoods but not like you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01 ◼   ► you're right it is it is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03 ◼   ► bigger taboos that's out there with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05 ◼   ► good reasons I'm I'm a humongous fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► evolutionary explanations of almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► everything so it kind of makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13 ◼   ► that things that harm children would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► upsetting because all of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16 ◼   ► are not upset by harm to children didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18 ◼   ► successfully make their pass on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20 ◼   ► genes you know I mean that's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22 ◼   ► also a good point so moving on from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► although I John was absolutely right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► about this you can write that down John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/627">TS</a>]

00:10:28 ◼   ► that you were right about that I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/628">TS</a>]

00:10:32 ◼   ► reading the Steve Jobs biography I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34 ◼   ► haven't gotten deeply into it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37 ◼   ► immediately I mean I'm impressed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39 ◼   ► know because I was a little critical of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40 ◼   ► jobs on the Twitter because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43 ◼   ► I think what bothers me a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/643">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► about jobs is a is a complex person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47 ◼   ► right he has he has a dark side which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49 ◼   ► think comes clue through very clearly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the biography but I was very impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52 ◼   ► that he authorized this biography that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► you know he didn't vet it's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56 ◼   ► like a sanitized view of jobs this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/656">TS</a>]

00:10:59 ◼   ► third party reporter who liked jobs sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02 ◼   ► of but wasn't like in love with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► writing you know his reality he's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/664">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► to write the reality of the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09 ◼   ► person that jobs was and that does come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11 ◼   ► through even though I'm only like ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13 ◼   ► percent through according to Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15 ◼   ► I appreciate that Jobs was willing to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/675">TS</a>]

00:11:18 ◼   ► do this at the end of his life say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/678">TS</a>]

00:11:19 ◼   ► know I'm not gonna have this reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/679">TS</a>]

00:11:21 ◼   ► distortion field of my life I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23 ◼   ► have this reporter write exactly what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25 ◼   ► thinks and talk to the original people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and I mean that's not that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► definitely is a positive measure of jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32 ◼   ► as a man I think that they did that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34 ◼   ► assume that you've completed it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37 ◼   ► almost done I think next week's show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40 ◼   ► actually going to be all about jobs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42 ◼   ► fact this if you hadn't shown up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44 ◼   ► week's show is going to be all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45 ◼   ► jobs by Allah if I could help it I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► a lot of things to say about it but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/707">TS</a>]

00:11:48 ◼   ► coming definitely from a different place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/708">TS</a>]

00:11:49 ◼   ► than your because I would imagine this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51 ◼   ► is the first book about Apple or jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53 ◼   ► that you've ever read it is but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56 ◼   ► knew so much of the history like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► like I said I'm only 10% in but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59 ◼   ► early history it's repeating a lot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01 ◼   ► that I knew yeah a lot of this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03 ◼   ► you know in the culture now where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05 ◼   ► founding story of Apple and stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06 ◼   ► just get it through osmosis from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07 ◼   ► on the web you know exactly but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► it's not like I you know I I knew of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/729">TS</a>]

00:12:13 ◼   ► jobs I knew the history and it's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/733">TS</a>]

00:12:14 ◼   ► a little bit repetitive like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16 ◼   ► learning a ton knew that other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/736">TS</a>]

00:12:17 ◼   ► again the complexity of jobs you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19 ◼   ► having the dark and light side that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/739">TS</a>]

00:12:23 ◼   ► comes through very clearly that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/743">TS</a>]

00:12:24 ◼   ► that does sometimes get lost that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/744">TS</a>]

00:12:25 ◼   ► actually my beef a lot of my beef on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27 ◼   ► Twitter was that the painting of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29 ◼   ► this is really the beautification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31 ◼   ► yeah that happens anytime I assume since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34 ◼   ► you probably don't listen to my podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35 ◼   ► if you had listened to the episode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37 ◼   ► we talked about Steve Jobs both retiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39 ◼   ► and then again when he died I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41 ◼   ► made a lot of the same points that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42 ◼   ► were making on Twitter about the dangers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44 ◼   ► of putting someone up on a pedestal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47 ◼   ► not recognizing them for what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49 ◼   ► and I made some predictions about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50 ◼   ► we might see in the jobs bio and sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52 ◼   ► enough I'm at the point now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► getting to new information that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55 ◼   ► previously released and you could see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57 ◼   ► lot of the things I predicted but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58 ◼   ► don't go too far often on that tangent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00 ◼   ► with the one thing I really wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01 ◼   ► talk about this is not really timely now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03 ◼   ► but it would have been timely if we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/783">TS</a>]

00:13:04 ◼   ► gotten our acts together sooner is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07 ◼   ► thing that you wrote what was the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/787">TS</a>]

00:13:08 ◼   ► of this I just have it in my notes as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10 ◼   ► Apple as king you remember that blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11 ◼   ► post on coding horror oh yeah serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the pleasure of the Kings that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15 ◼   ► so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17 ◼   ► I'll try to summarize it for you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19 ◼   ► them and you can correct me if wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it was basically about what it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24 ◼   ► be a developer for the platforms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26 ◼   ► Apple controls with Apple being the king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/806">TS</a>]

00:13:27 ◼   ► and you know you serve at the pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29 ◼   ► of the king as a developer and you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33 ◼   ► a couple of examples about Marco with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Marco and Instapaper and his trials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37 ◼   ► then Marco responded to your pose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39 ◼   ► then another person responded to Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41 ◼   ► response and I put a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► these in the show notes people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/823">TS</a>]

00:13:44 ◼   ► follow the links and see the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/824">TS</a>]

00:13:45 ◼   ► typical this is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46 ◼   ► internet should work someone puts a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48 ◼   ► post it's interesting and provocative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50 ◼   ► and that other people reply on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52 ◼   ► blogs and it just goes around a circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and it went over to Twitter and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54 ◼   ► whole nine yards it was it was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► cycle there but I think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58 ◼   ► jumping-off point for what I perceive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01 ◼   ► be strange continuing prejudices in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/841">TS</a>]

00:14:06 ◼   ► world of people who are not absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08 ◼   ► embroiled in all things Apple about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/848">TS</a>]

00:14:12 ◼   ► Apple's like and the way they work so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14 ◼   ► guess I'll start by asking Jeff what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18 ◼   ► I've done a bad job summarize what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19 ◼   ► you're saying what what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/859">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► your main point was with with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22 ◼   ► article and how do you respond to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24 ◼   ► people who argued against it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27 ◼   ► where I was going with that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29 ◼   ► Apple is unique in that they really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32 ◼   ► willing to sacrifice you for the greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35 ◼   ► good of sort of the goal and the goal in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38 ◼   ► this case is you know a good experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40 ◼   ► for consumers and I as a consumer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42 ◼   ► was one of the points of this blog entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/882">TS</a>]

00:14:43 ◼   ► was a consumer I agree with it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45 ◼   ► basically they should be screwing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47 ◼   ► developers to protect me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49 ◼   ► developers often if you look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51 ◼   ► what's wrong with a lot of the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/891">TS</a>]

00:14:52 ◼   ► ecosystem it's that the developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54 ◼   ► selfish they want their apps do exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/894">TS</a>]

00:14:57 ◼   ► what they want all the time but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00 ◼   ► doesn't mean that they're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01 ◼   ► right thing for you and a trivial little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03 ◼   ► example of that is every app in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/903">TS</a>]

00:15:04 ◼   ► windows ecosystem not every app but way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06 ◼   ► too many apps will demand that they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09 ◼   ► its startup and Microsoft has no policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11 ◼   ► about this so the average user has 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13 ◼   ► things on their computer that start up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15 ◼   ► at boot that are mostly frankly bull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17 ◼   ► right like that users don't need like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19 ◼   ► the Adobe updater to run every time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21 ◼   ► boot the machine but this happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24 ◼   ► happens in the windows ecosystem and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26 ◼   ► windows ecosystem is sort of a a tale of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/926">TS</a>]

00:15:31 ◼   ► what happens when you let third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33 ◼   ► control the experience they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34 ◼   ► not to put too fine a point they up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37 ◼   ► right and apple says no we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/937">TS</a>]

00:15:40 ◼   ► actually going to let that happen we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41 ◼   ► going to give you a very constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43 ◼   ► list of things that you can do and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45 ◼   ► you sort of violate any of those then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/945">TS</a>]

00:15:48 ◼   ► you know you do so at your peril and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/948">TS</a>]

00:15:51 ◼   ► a consumer I appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/951">TS</a>]

00:15:52 ◼   ► because I've seen what happens when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54 ◼   ► let developers have unfettered access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56 ◼   ► everything unless developers do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58 ◼   ► they want to do it's just hard like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/958">TS</a>]

00:16:02 ◼   ► putting on my developer hat though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04 ◼   ► know it's hard to stomach that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06 ◼   ► consumer I love it but as a developer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08 ◼   ► makes me really wary you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/968">TS</a>]

00:16:11 ◼   ► was point number one that I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► to make and then point number two is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14 ◼   ► this weird bland acceptance of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16 ◼   ► things that Apple does as okay I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19 ◼   ► in this this this goal of protecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/979">TS</a>]

00:16:22 ◼   ► consumers is the greater good therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/982">TS</a>]

00:16:23 ◼   ► I will you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25 ◼   ► subsume my priorities to match the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28 ◼   ► motherships you know instead of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30 ◼   ► critical of Apple as I think they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33 ◼   ► be a little bit more critical that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35 ◼   ► was the weird thing that Marco's post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37 ◼   ► was that you know his Twitter message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38 ◼   ► was one word you know it was like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40 ◼   ► god apples producing this feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42 ◼   ► does exactly what my paid I mean Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45 ◼   ► quit this is his company right his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:46 ◼   ► company does this one thing now Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48 ◼   ► does this one thing that he does I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:51 ◼   ► there's a little bit more nuance to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53 ◼   ► he doesn't you know better and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54 ◼   ► stuff but the core feature I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56 ◼   ► really was copied very very directly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59 ◼   ► I don't know that sort of thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02 ◼   ► windows world is viewed very harshly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04 ◼   ► right like Apple or Microsoft has stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07 ◼   ► my feature whatever it is antivirus or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10 ◼   ► whatever like you know now Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12 ◼   ► ships Security Essentials or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14 ◼   ► and everybody gets up in arms about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16 ◼   ► but when it happens the Apple world it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:19 ◼   ► like oh well that's just what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:20 ◼   ► do so therefore it must be okay and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:23 ◼   ► find that a little depressing frankly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26 ◼   ► mean I can add a little bit of color to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28 ◼   ► that uh that that Marco tweet because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30 ◼   ► was sitting next to him at the time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32 ◼   ► tweeted it so first of all Marco already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33 ◼   ► knew about the disservice that Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36 ◼   ► going to introduce in Lion what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38 ◼   ► called reading list in Safari that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40 ◼   ► known he had paid blogged about it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42 ◼   ► couple months before the thing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44 ◼   ► was upset about was because his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46 ◼   ► prediction was that this feature would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48 ◼   ► be something they would be in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50 ◼   ► safari on lion and that's the extent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52 ◼   ► it and and the keynote was revealed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54 ◼   ► these things that you save for later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57 ◼   ► reading will be synchronized with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59 ◼   ► iOS devices as well and he had assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01 ◼   ► that Apple would not do that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02 ◼   ► was a big big competitive advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04 ◼   ► his product was not only does he do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:05 ◼   ► better but his thing syncs across all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07 ◼   ► your devices where he's assumed apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09 ◼   ► thing would be an island so he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:10 ◼   ► immediately upset not by the existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12 ◼   ► the feature but by the fact that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14 ◼   ► closer to matching the functionality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16 ◼   ► his product than he had originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:19 ◼   ► thought now I think did you read all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:22 ◼   ► responses to the people I'm sure many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23 ◼   ► red markers response and then that Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25 ◼   ► the marshalese response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27 ◼   ► I haven't actually so he doesn't assert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30 ◼   ► enough I will summarize for you so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:34 ◼   ► couple of the the things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36 ◼   ► responses and I have a couple quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38 ◼   ► from your thing one of the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40 ◼   ► said if Microsoft added a feature to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42 ◼   ► windows that duplicated a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43 ◼   ► applications functionalities developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:44 ◼   ► would be screaming bloody murder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45 ◼   ► rioting in the blogs and web forums and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:49 ◼   ► a bunch of people responded to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52 ◼   ► extensive examples of Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:56 ◼   ► doing the exact same thing you said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58 ◼   ► in the Mac world of the King deems it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59 ◼   ► necessary then it must be then so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01 ◼   ► must be so this we have a long history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:04 ◼   ► in the Apple community of screaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06 ◼   ► bloody murder exactly like that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08 ◼   ► Apple does these things I I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11 ◼   ► go back a couple of years one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:12 ◼   ► first ones that they did was a Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14 ◼   ► Sherlock was this searching utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17 ◼   ► thing I know Dan you still there can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20 ◼   ► give me that what was the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that uh that Sherlock was squishing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Watson right that was incredibly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26 ◼   ► rude because the thing that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28 ◼   ► squishing was named Watson and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's clear that Apple knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32 ◼   ► were stopping on this guy's thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► called her thing Sherlock yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35 ◼   ► exactly right and it was it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37 ◼   ► deal then and that was there was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38 ◼   ► some other things going on I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40 ◼   ► forgetting the name of the other app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42 ◼   ► that was out shortly after that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44 ◼   ► period but Apple did a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46 ◼   ► when it came to like it was a task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48 ◼   ► switcher app so that you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► command tab and you could switch but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51 ◼   ► didn't just let you switch apps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:52 ◼   ► presented a very Mac os10 not lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:56 ◼   ► light switch there you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58 ◼   ► we might have even talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1198">TS</a>]

00:19:59 ◼   ► before in the same context that light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01 ◼   ► switch Elijah had this great big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04 ◼   ► know icon of the apps that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:05 ◼   ► switching for and then Apple released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07 ◼   ► the things so there was there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08 ◼   ► beginning to be a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10 ◼   ► pattern of this going on yeah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12 ◼   ► we dashboard dashboard was a almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14 ◼   ► direct rip of confabulate Aransas great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17 ◼   ► product and when all these things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19 ◼   ► believe me people were upset about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21 ◼   ► developers were upset huge debates when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23 ◼   ► and if you're not reading all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24 ◼   ► blogs maybe you're not going to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:25 ◼   ► because but you'll even get a story on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28 ◼   ► Mac worldcom order I don't know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30 ◼   ► will go to the mainstream media maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31 ◼   ► you'd see something I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32 ◼   ► things Jeff reads but I'm trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34 ◼   ► is that every time this happens there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:37 ◼   ► a big very big flare up and push back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39 ◼   ► but since it's happened so many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41 ◼   ► now we all kind of know how this goes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:44 ◼   ► doesn't mean people don't complain now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:45 ◼   ► the fact that marco was at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47 ◼   ► resigned to it happening it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:50 ◼   ► reasons i think first is that he feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► like it's it may potentially still help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54 ◼   ► his business just because it makes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55 ◼   ► people aware that you might want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57 ◼   ► a utility lets you read things later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:58 ◼   ► right after second is that he thinks he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:01 ◼   ► still does it better so he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:02 ◼   ► competitive advantage thing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:03 ◼   ► final thing is that he realizes having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:06 ◼   ► been in this community for a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07 ◼   ► time now did screwing bloody Marty but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► does nothing and fighting it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11 ◼   ► useful you know thing to do so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:16 ◼   ► like he's resigned and he's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:17 ◼   ► well Apple is the king and they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19 ◼   ► do whatever they want it's more like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21 ◼   ► knows that spending energy complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24 ◼   ► about it is that that energy better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25 ◼   ► spent improving his product and working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27 ◼   ► on things like that now on the flip side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29 ◼   ► many people pointed out that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32 ◼   ► Microsoft did this all the time with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34 ◼   ► windows from like stacker to things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36 ◼   ► do extended memory to antivirus to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you know you name it they constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40 ◼   ► take you know Lotus 1-2-3 those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42 ◼   ► really didn't like Excel board perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45 ◼   ► guys really didn't like Word they made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47 ◼   ► business on taking third party products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50 ◼   ► that were popular folding them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51 ◼   ► windows and driving the other guys out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52 ◼   ► of business you know so and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55 ◼   ► complain back then - it's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57 ◼   ► windows developers laid anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:58 ◼   ► what can you do you know I mean I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1318">TS</a>]

00:21:59 ◼   ► the stack of people sued them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01 ◼   ► whatever and maybe got some money but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02 ◼   ► you're if you're Lotus and you got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05 ◼   ► two three and Excel comes along as all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:06 ◼   ► they're using secret API is like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08 ◼   ► this is the constant tension between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10 ◼   ► platform owner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11 ◼   ► from owner and developers who work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:14 ◼   ► the platform it's nothing new in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16 ◼   ► Apple world and every time it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18 ◼   ► some people are upset some people defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20 ◼   ► the platform owner and it just it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:21 ◼   ► of the same thing so I don't really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23 ◼   ► especially with the Mac but we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25 ◼   ► about iOS and second I don't really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26 ◼   ► a big difference in terms of developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► acquiescing to the desires of Apple when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:33 ◼   ► it comes to Apple squishing third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35 ◼   ► developers they're just kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► steamroller and people get steamrolled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37 ◼   ► the people get steamrolled are not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39 ◼   ► about it just like the people who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:40 ◼   ► steamrolled by Microsoft we're not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► I look more like Jeff is expressing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45 ◼   ► that this is a bummer when this happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46 ◼   ► I think we can all agree on that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► you don't want to be that developer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49 ◼   ► feel bad for those developers in fact in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51 ◼   ► my Mac it was 10 review for a 10-point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53 ◼   ► for Tiger I believe it was I had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55 ◼   ► entire section talking about dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58 ◼   ► where I made this snarky joke that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00 ◼   ► I showed screenshots of the product of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01 ◼   ► squish and I so sorry I I got mixed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03 ◼   ► there actually this is dashboard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05 ◼   ► thing I was showing before was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► confabulated I know they look identical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you know I was upset about it enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you know I didn't have any skin in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:11 ◼   ► game I didn't I was an investor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13 ◼   ► either one of the companies or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14 ◼   ► like that I just thought it was a rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:15 ◼   ► thing to do what it happens sure well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:19 ◼   ► think one thing that the factors in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21 ◼   ► is is and honestly it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22 ◼   ► Orwellian like I remembered because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24 ◼   ► went to the the official Apple comm page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► about what's new in iOS and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:30 ◼   ► reading because I actually wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:33 ◼   ► look at that and and I remembered seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► the reason this even came up was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36 ◼   ► it explicitly mentioned Instapaper it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38 ◼   ► like we have developed this reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40 ◼   ► feature that's like your this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42 ◼   ► popular app Instapaper and then I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► like why that's really weird that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46 ◼   ► would call it out by name and mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48 ◼   ► and you know all that stuff and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► went back because I was writing the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52 ◼   ► entry about it and they had removed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53 ◼   ► and it would just cease to exist like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55 ◼   ► that mention was gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57 ◼   ► yeah that's not an appropriate mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59 ◼   ► because you don't want to be helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00 ◼   ► your competitor there but yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02 ◼   ► there clearly they saw a third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04 ◼   ► product it was very popular and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:05 ◼   ► said we should have a thing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06 ◼   ► and they could either buy something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and I just did it themselves but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:11 ◼   ► thing I'm complaining about is they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12 ◼   ► back and rewrote history like they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it so they took out the name yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:15 ◼   ► took out was someone probably put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17 ◼   ► that copy because they wanted to express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19 ◼   ► to people you know here's why you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21 ◼   ► like this may have heard of Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► but we have a feature like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23 ◼   ► someone else came along and said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:24 ◼   ► not really appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25 ◼   ► for us to be main competitors they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27 ◼   ► name any of their competitors really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28 ◼   ► they don't like to put you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► just PR 101 I don't think it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:33 ◼   ► secret they just changed their copy they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:34 ◼   ► didn't just a copy all the time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35 ◼   ► archived that are caught it them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► did but I don't you know it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38 ◼   ► doesn't make it any more or less clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► that they're doing what insta vapor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41 ◼   ► doesn't there are other products besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42 ◼   ► instapaper that are instant paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44 ◼   ► ripoffs as well it's not like Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:47 ◼   ► was the only entry in the field none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:48 ◼   ► Apple came along well Kelsey gets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50 ◼   ► here and this is another sort of deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52 ◼   ► problem with Apple in my opinion with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:53 ◼   ► regards to development stuff is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► they're so secretive about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57 ◼   ► and stuff you know sort of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:58 ◼   ► magically happens and that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► leads to some of this attitude of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03 ◼   ► know you can't necessarily fight it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:04 ◼   ► because a Apple will always win it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06 ◼   ► their platform that's part of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08 ◼   ► rules of the game and I get that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it's not particularly amenable to this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11 ◼   ► mean developers work best in open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:14 ◼   ► environments where there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15 ◼   ► communication and you know there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17 ◼   ► so much secrecy like on like example on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19 ◼   ► Stack Overflow I'm constantly getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21 ◼   ► people flagging stuff is like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23 ◼   ► secret they can't talk about this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► know and I don't think they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27 ◼   ► like whenever I see that I'm like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► dismiss it because hey I don't care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29 ◼   ► be I don't believe in it like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31 ◼   ► think you can be secretive about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33 ◼   ► API is you're going to release that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35 ◼   ► crazy right like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:36 ◼   ► counterproductive that actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► against the goal as a developer now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40 ◼   ► realize again that there's there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42 ◼   ► necessarily an alignment of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► developers want when consumers want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:44 ◼   ► totally get that and I think buying into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47 ◼   ► this culture that Apple has means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49 ◼   ► bind the culture of the consumer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51 ◼   ► always right and Apple is always right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53 ◼   ► and and you just have to live with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55 ◼   ► it's like being in a relationship with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57 ◼   ► kind of a semi abusive spouse who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59 ◼   ► basically can overrule you at a whim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01 ◼   ► like there they will tolerate your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03 ◼   ► opinion right but when it come push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05 ◼   ► comes to shove like they get final say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07 ◼   ► every time I'll see once again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09 ◼   ► if you had been deeply embroiled in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11 ◼   ► Apple community you would have seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that ever since the release of iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that SDK there has been a huge torrent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:18 ◼   ► of the negative feedback and negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20 ◼   ► feelings about Apple's policies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► regarding the SDK and the very first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24 ◼   ► was the fact that they had an NDA that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► prevented developers from even talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28 ◼   ► to other developers who were also bound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► by the same NDA about the API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32 ◼   ► developers push back on that like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33 ◼   ► you know it doesn't make Apple any less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:36 ◼   ► of a dictator to say that there I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38 ◼   ► been Evelyn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39 ◼   ► but in general they tried to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40 ◼   ► benevolent so after yes after many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42 ◼   ► months of people screaming bloody murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44 ◼   ► I remember how long in the end that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45 ◼   ► restriction on the end a was in effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47 ◼   ► Apple reversed then said ok you can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49 ◼   ► about the api's without the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51 ◼   ► right but still you couldn't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52 ◼   ► them in public you know so it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54 ◼   ► matter of degrees the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:55 ◼   ► when they when they put a ban on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58 ◼   ► interpreters and that a bunch of game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00 ◼   ► developers were like well we use you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:01 ◼   ► know Lua scripting or whatever in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03 ◼   ► game engine and you're destroying our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► ability to produce games in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:05 ◼   ► platform in fact 50 of the top best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07 ◼   ► selling games you have on your store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:08 ◼   ► right now use the scripting engine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► here's this new restrictions as we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11 ◼   ► use interpreters and it was aimed that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13 ◼   ► believe was in flash and a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► other things but what got caught up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17 ◼   ► it technically speaking we're a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18 ◼   ► games that use scripting engines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► eventually Apple reversed that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:21 ◼   ► as well they reversed it because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► you know it's there is a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25 ◼   ► there it's a strained relationship it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27 ◼   ► a messed up relationship it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29 ◼   ► open relationship it's a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:30 ◼   ► with a huge imbalance of power but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► that's always the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► Apple's secrecy about its api's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► stuff it's sometimes it's difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42 ◼   ► think how does that help consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44 ◼   ► obviously secrecy about products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► when products didn't release is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47 ◼   ► particularly hardware but even OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:48 ◼   ► releases and stuff like that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50 ◼   ► make arguments for why that helps Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► that helps consumers in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53 ◼   ► Osborne effect and not pronouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:56 ◼   ► things and not promising things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:57 ◼   ► can't deliver and all that and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59 ◼   ► all that stuff but secrecy about the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02 ◼   ► is like well we're protecting it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04 ◼   ► competitors doesn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05 ◼   ► either how is that better for customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06 ◼   ► and competitors can just get a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:11 ◼   ► account with Apple anyway so but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13 ◼   ► in this interview there's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► this is I was gonna say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16 ◼   ► basically the number one complaint that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18 ◼   ► Apple the developers have about Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19 ◼   ► bet if you surveyed them would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21 ◼   ► it's not an open relationship of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22 ◼   ► communication between them secondarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24 ◼   ► would be like oh and we can't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:25 ◼   ► this stuff publicly but even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27 ◼   ► primarily is like we have problems as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29 ◼   ► developers and we feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:30 ◼   ► talking to a black hole right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32 ◼   ► develop Apple has great developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34 ◼   ► relations people who some of whom were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35 ◼   ► on Twitter and it's like if you become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:36 ◼   ► personal friends with them because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38 ◼   ► meet them at WWDC then you can maybe get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39 ◼   ► your particular thing looked at and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41 ◼   ► stuff in there trying to help individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:42 ◼   ► employees are trying to help but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44 ◼   ► culture is such that it doesn't foster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45 ◼   ► open communication between the parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47 ◼   ► now hold your response for a sec Jeff we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49 ◼   ► get to do our first sponsor its brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50 ◼   ► treasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:51 ◼   ► brain trees of Chicago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:52 ◼   ► based payments company they provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54 ◼   ► elegant tools for developers and White [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56 ◼   ► Glove support they process like billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58 ◼   ► of dollars in credit card transactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00 ◼   ► every year and they're hiring they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01 ◼   ► looking to find exceptional developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03 ◼   ► with any level of experience they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► collaborative environment they do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07 ◼   ► like pair programming test-driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08 ◼   ► development agile and extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:09 ◼   ► programming though they focus on Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they also have client libraries in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► different languages like node.js Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15 ◼   ► and even Perl John the vista mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:19 ◼   ► they would hate rise on to make it known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22 ◼   ► they will pay up to ten thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► if you recommend a developer that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25 ◼   ► hire of course you should apply if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:29 ◼   ► you're interested you can find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:30 ◼   ► at Braintree payments calm these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32 ◼   ► are great they do really the best job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35 ◼   ► processing payments for you you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► check them out anyway just for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39 ◼   ► they are hiring so go over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Braintree payments calm thanks very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:43 ◼   ► to them ranking show possible I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45 ◼   ► do a little follow-up from someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the chatroom I was pretty sure I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48 ◼   ► this reverse to and they and I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50 ◼   ► to assume they're correct and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51 ◼   ► looked it up but the Watson name was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53 ◼   ► derived from Sherlock because Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► was a proc that many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:55 ◼   ► iterations so Watson was a man there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58 ◼   ► a Teta there was a different take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00 ◼   ► Sherlock on the next version of Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01 ◼   ► came out that sort of subsumed Watson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► functionality so that was a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05 ◼   ► incestuous relationship and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07 ◼   ► previously implied so I apologize for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08 ◼   ► that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09 ◼   ► later I go ahead Jeff I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12 ◼   ► about shame on you John yes I'm Sheena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► come on old man how could you make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16 ◼   ► mistake yeah I think might be there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20 ◼   ► like why does this even happen like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:21 ◼   ► doesn't even pass the sniff test for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that developers can't talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25 ◼   ► I mean this is crazy like how did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27 ◼   ► even do like why is that you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29 ◼   ► they're on day one right I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31 ◼   ► will I think by reading the the the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33 ◼   ► bio you eventually get into like how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35 ◼   ► internals of Apple work and you'll see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► think you'll be able to see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:38 ◼   ► comes to pass now I you know again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► wouldn't be great if you could get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► Apple person on say how the hell did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44 ◼   ► come up with that decision because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:45 ◼   ► you would asked any developer like pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47 ◼   ► a random developer and say do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► it's a good idea I think we should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49 ◼   ► this what I said no that's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50 ◼   ► right you know really possible okay what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:54 ◼   ► so what you're saying guys we'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55 ◼   ► with the beatings but then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► complain enough yes we will maybe tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58 ◼   ► down the beatings a lot but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the thing is that I bet they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► a reason for why they thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:02 ◼   ► so the reason things like that happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04 ◼   ► company like apples the same reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that Apple does all these great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09 ◼   ► because Apple doesn't work like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11 ◼   ► companies where things aren't sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► done by committee there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15 ◼   ► individual initiative or at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17 ◼   ► very small groups of people it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19 ◼   ► more like a startup and see when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20 ◼   ► one person in a position of power who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:23 ◼   ► has a really bad idea that bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25 ◼   ► comes to pass whereas in another company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► that the edges would be filed off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29 ◼   ► that wouldn't make it through like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:30 ◼   ► committee review process and there would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:31 ◼   ► have been debates about it that's those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33 ◼   ► are the same things that make Apple able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:34 ◼   ► to do great things they also allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► really dumb things to sneak out maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38 ◼   ► there's some really good reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► doing this that I can't think of but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44 ◼   ► yeah and because it's like so bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46 ◼   ► developers and so ridiculous and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► imagine that you know if I had to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49 ◼   ► I would say the reason is well we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► to try to prevent competitors from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55 ◼   ► getting an idea of how we're building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56 ◼   ► the API B's when we build that one until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► the Macintosh API we brought Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00 ◼   ► in and we want them to make applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02 ◼   ► for us and they just constantly you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05 ◼   ► you know they stole our whole API they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07 ◼   ► said oh this is how you make a GUI API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► where we're going to make a Windows API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09 ◼   ► it's very similar to us and use a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► the same concepts and they would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12 ◼   ► know ask questions about the a bevel so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14 ◼   ► if if we make the developers not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16 ◼   ► to talk to each other then technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18 ◼   ► speaking individual developers can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20 ◼   ► talk to other individual developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22 ◼   ► discuss how we've implemented Iowa John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24 ◼   ► so so one thing that's crazy about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26 ◼   ► is okay look at the PC industry they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29 ◼   ► they're only now coming up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30 ◼   ► credible MacBook Air thank you goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:34 ◼   ► no I know it's not I mean so like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► if you made it completely public it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► doesn't matter because you're dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38 ◼   ► with people that are so incompetent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40 ◼   ► they are so to say is like it's these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43 ◼   ► are bad ideas because if you were if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45 ◼   ► heard someone presenter this the idea to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47 ◼   ► be like that's crazy it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48 ◼   ► knowing how iOS works doesn't mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50 ◼   ► can immediately make a copy of it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that easy you know execution is not easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► just because you know what doing doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► mean you can do the same thing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► you're doing is is you know peeing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the well you're screwing up your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1978">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► ecosystem but doing that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:00 ◼   ► makes me crazy about that is I I will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:03 ◼   ► to my death saying this Apple is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06 ◼   ► the worst companies for developers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07 ◼   ► really really is like well so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10 ◼   ► there there's more to a how a company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13 ◼   ► for developers than the things we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15 ◼   ► been talking about so far right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it just only who wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18 ◼   ► the market I mean ultimately that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► mean this is against it's not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22 ◼   ► there's much more to that so I'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you actually I want to go rewind way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25 ◼   ► back to the beginning when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27 ◼   ► talking about how Windows - windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29 ◼   ► developer screw up the windows ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31 ◼   ► but like having their app launched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33 ◼   ► login because they're so super important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► they want their app to launch and login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:35 ◼   ► right now and how Microsoft is open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► permissive but then you get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40 ◼   ► these crap or apps to do this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42 ◼   ► well ignoring iOS for now the Mac lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► you do that to any application can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► launch itself on login you can install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► an application and it can mmediately say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50 ◼   ► I want to launch online it so why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52 ◼   ► doesn't every single Mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:53 ◼   ► launch itself on login there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55 ◼   ► technical policy any kind of reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:58 ◼   ► that shouldn't be just as big a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00 ◼   ► on Mac OS but it isn't and the reason is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03 ◼   ► cultural alright so you know what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:07 ◼   ► explanation for that this is where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09 ◼   ► start getting into like an outpour some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► would say well the reason this isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12 ◼   ► problem on the Mac is because Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:13 ◼   ► developers are better than Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14 ◼   ► developers we're better people were more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:15 ◼   ► culture we know we wouldn't do that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17 ◼   ► our users we respect our users more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19 ◼   ► whatever right and the Windows person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21 ◼   ► would say you know that that's not why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24 ◼   ► Mac developers are actually worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► Windows developers it's because Mac only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27 ◼   ► has small companies developing for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and big companies do this yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:30 ◼   ► know the reason but this you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32 ◼   ► don't think it's even useful to debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33 ◼   ► why that is but it's clear that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:36 ◼   ► policy set by the platform owner are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the only thing to determine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40 ◼   ► experience and another example is those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42 ◼   ► little menu bar icons I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44 ◼   ► you use a Mac Rev as you've seen Joel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45 ◼   ► uses Mac's or whatever but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47 ◼   ► little icons on the menu bar Jeff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► go along the top there next to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► clock and a bunch of other stuff well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► applications can put little icons up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► that menu bar and back in the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:57 ◼   ► Mac OS days every application wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59 ◼   ► have a cool little icon in the menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01 ◼   ► right so it would be always be running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03 ◼   ► you have your little thing for Timbuktu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05 ◼   ► and now contact and all sorts these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07 ◼   ► little programs that have a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► it's kind of like the booty call a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10 ◼   ► in a the taskbar in Windows that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13 ◼   ► tray area the tray yeah yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15 ◼   ► like every single application wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17 ◼   ► put a like on the tray and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18 ◼   ► Microsoft added a little Chevron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► expansion things so that the tray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22 ◼   ► doesn't take up ten miles and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► this war for the tray and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:24 ◼   ► putting crap there the quick launch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26 ◼   ► similar oh I think both of those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► gone in Windows 7 now but anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30 ◼   ► another example of there is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32 ◼   ► classrooms will let you do that but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:36 ◼   ► classic Mac OS that bar was googly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38 ◼   ► filled with stuff but it would not go as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39 ◼   ► 10 Apple didn't come down and say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42 ◼   ► not allowed to put menu icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:43 ◼   ► menu bar anymore what they did say was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► we would really prefer you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47 ◼   ► defined cons in the menu bar and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► do put them there make the monochrome so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50 ◼   ► they're not so so glaring right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53 ◼   ► sure enough if you look at it a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55 ◼   ► Mac today yeah it's got icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57 ◼   ► menu bar nerds have lots of icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59 ◼   ► menu bar but since most of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:00 ◼   ► monochrome it's not as bad as it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03 ◼   ► o'clock Oh classic Mac OS days so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06 ◼   ► there's another difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:07 ◼   ► actually restricting someone from doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► something and just sort of setting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10 ◼   ► tone right well sure and actually we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13 ◼   ► a Rory Blythe on the podcast and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16 ◼   ► a this is in reference to stack overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18 ◼   ► and stack he changed that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20 ◼   ► should be dictatorial and and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22 ◼   ► attitude towards this was like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24 ◼   ► to be dictatorial otherwise people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26 ◼   ► misbehave and actually this goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28 ◼   ► when I was when I went the University of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:29 ◼   ► Virginia and I was a resident advisor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31 ◼   ► my last year the sort of the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33 ◼   ► student lives on the hall with the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35 ◼   ► year students one of the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:36 ◼   ► told us and actually did work was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38 ◼   ► have to start out really strict with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40 ◼   ► with the students that are coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► because if you don't basically their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44 ◼   ► behavior deviates from the like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► start at a certain point that it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:47 ◼   ► gets much more permissive on their end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49 ◼   ► so if you start really permissive then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51 ◼   ► you end up extremely permissive at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53 ◼   ► end but if you start off being really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:54 ◼   ► strict then you sort of get a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57 ◼   ► container for the behavior and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58 ◼   ► actually I do agree with that I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00 ◼   ► think that's a large part of the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► with the windows ecosystem is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02 ◼   ► like anything goes you know but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05 ◼   ► start out with hey we're going to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:06 ◼   ► know kind of jerks about this in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:09 ◼   ► ways that's what we do on Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11 ◼   ► in Stack Exchange one of the reasons we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12 ◼   ► get good content because we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14 ◼   ► strict about you can't have these random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:17 ◼   ► discussions about like what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18 ◼   ► favorite variable name you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► that just doesn't go anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:21 ◼   ► interesting you know so I'm down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24 ◼   ► rules I'm absolutely not complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26 ◼   ► about the fact that hey I don't like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28 ◼   ► these rules and rules a restrictive man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30 ◼   ► because we we have that discussion like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32 ◼   ► every other week on Stack Overflow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34 ◼   ► change like why are you heavily stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► rule fear and there are reasons for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:38 ◼   ► rules and I respect the reasons for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► rules and I think going back to what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41 ◼   ► originally said it all totally comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42 ◼   ► down to the culture which is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:44 ◼   ► were saying of you know we owe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► we wouldn't do that to our users like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that's that's the money quote here right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50 ◼   ► is like the Apple culture teaches you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the consumer comes first the user has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56 ◼   ► come first in front of your needs maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► in front of apples needs although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2278">TS</a>]

00:37:59 ◼   ► think sometimes that gets mixed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01 ◼   ► you start serving apples needs but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03 ◼   ► agree with the goal because you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► a user right like I'm an iPhone user and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07 ◼   ► I don't want apps crashing my phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09 ◼   ► don't want apps taking over my phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you don't mind I'd like to go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► slightly different direction here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17 ◼   ► one of the things that a Nathan Bowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► on Twitter who I follow has brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21 ◼   ► multiple times as it he really prefers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the the the iOS app version of websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to the original website and the example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28 ◼   ► he gave is eBay and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30 ◼   ► much use eBay but I use eBay actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:31 ◼   ► fair bit and the web site is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34 ◼   ► horrific to use like they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36 ◼   ► through many iterations and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37 ◼   ► basically crap and I think what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► saying and maybe I want to see what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41 ◼   ► think of this what happens is when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43 ◼   ► when you push a giant website through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► three-inch screen it forces you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► simplify in other words you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50 ◼   ► all these dumb UI elements that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53 ◼   ► don't work on the main website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:54 ◼   ► they're really confusing and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56 ◼   ► also sort of a built-in standard set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► widgets in in iOS at least on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00 ◼   ► I don't have an iPad that sort of forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► you to do things the same way rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04 ◼   ► than the web has this problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06 ◼   ► everybody invents their own stupid way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07 ◼   ► of doing things you know because the UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09 ◼   ► is kind of like well it's a web page I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11 ◼   ► can do anything I want and now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► jQuery UI and I can have these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16 ◼   ► other crazy UI elements that don't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18 ◼   ► work like everything else and and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20 ◼   ► see the value of that because when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22 ◼   ► force a complicated kind of annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24 ◼   ► website like eBay through the strainer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27 ◼   ► of a three inch screen with a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► set of controls you do actually in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30 ◼   ► ways get up with a better experience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33 ◼   ► I don't think people have articulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► quite the right way it's not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► magical thing about the iPhone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► makes it work it's the it's the 3-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39 ◼   ► screen combined with a really good set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42 ◼   ► of standard widgets and you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44 ◼   ► being jerks about having UI consistency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46 ◼   ► I mean do you remember when there used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47 ◼   ► to be OS style guides of like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50 ◼   ► build an app you're supposed to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51 ◼   ► certain style to your app or store the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► apples thaw Microsoft has one too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56 ◼   ► believe I mean everyone has one it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:57 ◼   ► interface guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:59 ◼   ► and for what application I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I'm su migrate that John the web killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03 ◼   ► that because the web is whatever UI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05 ◼   ► want it to be and the document still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07 ◼   ► existing continues to be updated for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:08 ◼   ► desktop there is no style guide for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10 ◼   ► web which is the point you just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:11 ◼   ► like there there's no one saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13 ◼   ► what a website has to look like you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15 ◼   ► it all you want but the iPhone is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17 ◼   ► style guide for the web I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:18 ◼   ► that like when you when you push a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20 ◼   ► website through a 3 inch screen all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22 ◼   ► sudden you end up eating well it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24 ◼   ► if you look at a lot of mobile websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26 ◼   ► what they what they try to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28 ◼   ► especially since the iPhone was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► first mobile device with the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31 ◼   ► worth a damn so that's what people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:34 ◼   ► know made their mobile websites form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:35 ◼   ► what a lot of people tried to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37 ◼   ► look like because was make them look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39 ◼   ► like iOS apps right down to stealing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► graphics for the buttons and the scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43 ◼   ► stuff and you know the ListView and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that stuff just because you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46 ◼   ► looks native right that's a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► at least a there's a standard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that's what drives me crazy about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52 ◼   ► web is that yeah it's a great hotbed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53 ◼   ► innovation but it's all over the map in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55 ◼   ► terms of UI like it's a major regression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58 ◼   ► in terms of UI standards so I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01 ◼   ► angle this guy's name here but I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04 ◼   ► this at an event apart conference on web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06 ◼   ► development a while back Luke Wroblewski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► sorry Luke nan you nailed it Wroblewski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13 ◼   ► oh yeah gun so he does a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15 ◼   ► called mobile first which is and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:19 ◼   ► sort of an advocacy presentation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20 ◼   ► saying when you're designing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► website design the mobile website first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25 ◼   ► and then if if you think it needs more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27 ◼   ► enhance it for desktop use and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:32 ◼   ► very compelling case and it makes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33 ◼   ► the same points that you just made is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that if you if you try to make a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► the old-fashioned way again this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38 ◼   ► conference for web designers who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39 ◼   ► been making websites they say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:40 ◼   ► going to end up adding too much crap so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2500">TS</a>]

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00:41:54 ◼   ► that other crap that's on that page is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2514">TS</a>]

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00:42:20 ◼   ► that you can't have the big flashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21 ◼   ► banner you don't have room for scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2541">TS</a>]

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00:42:45 ◼   ► sort of putting their foot down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47 ◼   ► saying what there will be no flash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2567">TS</a>]

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00:42:51 ◼   ► talked about like when you start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2571">TS</a>]

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00:43:02 ◼   ► totally support that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2582">TS</a>]

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00:43:59 ◼   ► effectively that's what these guys offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02 ◼   ► so it doesn't matter programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2642">TS</a>]

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00:44:07 ◼   ► bare-bones calm thinking get in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2647">TS</a>]

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00:44:13 ◼   ► not using it I've heard good things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16 ◼   ► feel like I could have done that ad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2656">TS</a>]

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00:44:25 ◼   ► hatred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26 ◼   ► all windows editors all shredded no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► not ultra alright second read that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the best editor they had going him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37 ◼   ► know that's what so sad about it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39 ◼   ► alright so actually I want to get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41 ◼   ► to talking about ah the what but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:48 ◼   ► brings to you as a developer for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51 ◼   ► on a platform Jeff mentioned before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:52 ◼   ► obviously if they have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2692">TS</a>]

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00:45:02 ◼   ► developer is the platform own or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2702">TS</a>]

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00:45:09 ◼   ► platform and that broadens our base that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► you can sell into so that's why you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12 ◼   ► argue that Microsoft was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14 ◼   ► platform owner of the A's and 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2714">TS</a>]

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00:45:17 ◼   ► and if you wanted to sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19 ◼   ► copies of software Windows was the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2719">TS</a>]

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00:45:23 ◼   ► every single Mac user wouldn't be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25 ◼   ► know as much as selling to a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27 ◼   ► percentage of Windows users right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30 ◼   ► but then pizzas are stopped paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32 ◼   ► software yeah well that's a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34 ◼   ► issue of like who is more likely to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► for software windows user vacuums but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2735">TS</a>]

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00:45:38 ◼   ► platform owners bring to you as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► developer we already talked about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2740">TS</a>]

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00:45:47 ◼   ► that but the other thing that they bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48 ◼   ► with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49 ◼   ► I think that's usually overlooked is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2749">TS</a>]

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00:45:55 ◼   ► the platform want to bring so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:56 ◼   ► getting back to those icons in the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57 ◼   ► bar and classic Mac OS the culture had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59 ◼   ► gotten to the point such that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2759">TS</a>]

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00:46:07 ◼   ► OS days it was still getting kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09 ◼   ► gunked up with the equivalent of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2769">TS</a>]

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00:46:12 ◼   ► little icons all over your menu bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2772">TS</a>]

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00:46:16 ◼   ► you know everyone wanted a piece of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17 ◼   ► real estate on the thing and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18 ◼   ► wasn't good at managing that culturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21 ◼   ► and it sure didn't you know didn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:22 ◼   ► didn't put a technical limit on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2784">TS</a>]

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00:46:27 ◼   ► limit you can put your icons in the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28 ◼   ► bar and people did but what they what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2788">TS</a>]

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00:46:33 ◼   ► please don't put many icons the menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35 ◼   ► they had said that before to what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:36 ◼   ► did was say look look what a UI can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► like when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39 ◼   ► trip out all this noise because Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42 ◼   ► was kind of a reboot of the Mac UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► everything changed you know drop-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46 ◼   ► menus from or less the same but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:47 ◼   ► windows the scroll bars the look of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49 ◼   ► applications the way applications were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2809">TS</a>]

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00:46:51 ◼   ► everything about it you know said look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2811">TS</a>]

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00:46:58 ◼   ► the platform owner brings you is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2818">TS</a>]

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00:47:01 ◼   ► developers love to be able to not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2821">TS</a>]

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00:47:06 ◼   ► cool-looking which which partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07 ◼   ► explains the huge popularity of brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09 ◼   ► metal I don't know if Mac if if Jeff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:12 ◼   ► into the Apple platform and knew much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14 ◼   ► about it back then but there was a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15 ◼   ► where there every single application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► that came up for the Mac had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18 ◼   ► brushed metal look you know you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► in an iTunes now I don't to bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22 ◼   ► Jeff favorite application iTunes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah Mac uses held by the way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:27 ◼   ► everything was brushed metal and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► like and did the credit developer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32 ◼   ► the more they want to make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:33 ◼   ► brush but why did developers want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34 ◼   ► make things brush Mel because all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36 ◼   ► had to do was take a check boxes said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:37 ◼   ► this window that I'm going to pop up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39 ◼   ► the screen make it fresh metal and brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:40 ◼   ► metal was cool looking right that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42 ◼   ► example of a negative influence but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44 ◼   ► general Apple gave you standard controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46 ◼   ► and when interface builder you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48 ◼   ► would automatically snap to the metrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:49 ◼   ► they wanted and everything and you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51 ◼   ► as examples their applications and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53 ◼   ► was actually harder to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55 ◼   ► horrendously ugly application than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57 ◼   ► just simply use the standard controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58 ◼   ► they gave you and and copy one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00 ◼   ► Apple's existing applications and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02 ◼   ► same goes for the iPhone they made a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04 ◼   ► of controls that was extremely limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:05 ◼   ► ridiculously limited especially with Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07 ◼   ► developers coming over to iOS to like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09 ◼   ► this is all I get these this set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► buttons in the set of views like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:13 ◼   ► wasn't as many you know there was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15 ◼   ► wasn't as much stuff there was very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► elements and they said alright well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► going to look for the Apple application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20 ◼   ► that's most like mine and I'll make mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► look sort of like that they led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► example by giving you controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25 ◼   ► widgets and layouts and and bundled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27 ◼   ► applications that look and behave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28 ◼   ► certain way it I don't know if it shamed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31 ◼   ► the developers into changing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:32 ◼   ► attitudes but it's like they're leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34 ◼   ► by example that that and that makes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► more successful applications because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38 ◼   ► developers will say all right well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► gonna if I had make this application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42 ◼   ► completely in isolation it would be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► ugly piece of crap but now that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45 ◼   ► seen everything that Apple's done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47 ◼   ► the tool kits they're giving me to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49 ◼   ► build stuff my thing can't help but end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► up being better looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► compare that to Windows where Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56 ◼   ► was content to continue to ship really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► slapped together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2938">TS</a>]

00:48:59 ◼   ► bundled applications for years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01 ◼   ► be like Maps not broken you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► need to fix it and when they did change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:04 ◼   ► things they would do things in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05 ◼   ► they weren't copyable by developers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07 ◼   ► a I think office I believe is notorious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09 ◼   ► for not using standard controls like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► there's what the windows UI looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13 ◼   ► and is what the office UI looks like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15 ◼   ► then people would try to copy all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17 ◼   ► office UI by doing custom controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19 ◼   ► stuff like that and some of them would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:20 ◼   ► make it into the standard cool kits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21 ◼   ► toolkit but that's that's not a good way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23 ◼   ► to lead by example you know I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25 ◼   ► well I think Apple is willing to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27 ◼   ► with sort of its users and its customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:31 ◼   ► a little bit more than most companies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33 ◼   ► think that that is actually healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35 ◼   ► that's one part I like is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► really shouldn't view you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39 ◼   ► classic adage the customer's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41 ◼   ► right well I think the customer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42 ◼   ► frequently very very wrong about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44 ◼   ► they want to do and how they want it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47 ◼   ► I think Apple isn't shy about saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49 ◼   ► look you know we know what you want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► they I would say they get it right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:54 ◼   ► maybe 80 75 80 percent of the time which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► is good and the advantage of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► approach is it sort of gets rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► Croft imagine if the customer was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03 ◼   ► right you know that's how you get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04 ◼   ► the classic example and I hate even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06 ◼   ► commerce inside all right the Homer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08 ◼   ► sentence car thank you there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► truth it let me give an example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:12 ◼   ► I've been spending a lot of time playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14 ◼   ► Battlefield 3 and one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16 ◼   ► sources for Battlefield 3 information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18 ◼   ► because it's a actually a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19 ◼   ► complicated game and not all of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21 ◼   ► really documented um a lot of things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24 ◼   ► can do it's kind of a sandbox kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26 ◼   ► game play and on the the battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29 ◼   ► reddit somebody was was the moaning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:33 ◼   ► state of the reddit because what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35 ◼   ► is when when the reddit gets really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36 ◼   ► popular this is what they call a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► subreddit meaning if you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39 ◼   ► reddit.com it's any topic and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41 ◼   ► different reddit's for like politics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43 ◼   ► you know all the stuff you took like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44 ◼   ► the stack exchange network there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45 ◼   ► there's you know gardening and bicycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and all that stuff so this one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:49 ◼   ► dedicated to battlefield 3 and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51 ◼   ► complaining that all of a sudden with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► all the influx of people they're playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55 ◼   ► battlefield 3 got very popular and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56 ◼   ► customers you know the people using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58 ◼   ► reddit we're kind of abusing the reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01 ◼   ► like they were using it for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► what's called meme comics you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:05 ◼   ► you you copy-paste some template [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07 ◼   ► and then you post in your little funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08 ◼   ► thing and then people vote it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11 ◼   ► it's amusing but it tends to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13 ◼   ► dominate the the information that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15 ◼   ► the site like you actually want to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:16 ◼   ► about how do I play this game how can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18 ◼   ► play this game better you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20 ◼   ► that's actually useful and the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22 ◼   ► that the users think that they want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24 ◼   ► this hilarious meme comic stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27 ◼   ► and other sort of negative patterns that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30 ◼   ► the community gets into and the the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33 ◼   ► sort of redress you have against this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:36 ◼   ► actually moderation that's the the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39 ◼   ► that they were making with his thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40 ◼   ► it's like every other reddit that's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:41 ◼   ► this problem the only way to fix it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► not say oh we must do what the customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45 ◼   ► wants well the customer wants to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47 ◼   ► these hilarious comics so they must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48 ◼   ► right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► no they're completely wrong like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:53 ◼   ► the attitude that drives me crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:54 ◼   ► Apple is in some ways the antidote to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56 ◼   ► that say look you don't actually want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58 ◼   ► do what your customers are telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3118">TS</a>]

00:51:59 ◼   ► to do and you don't actually want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01 ◼   ► what your developers are telling you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:02 ◼   ► do this is sort of a what's the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05 ◼   ► word here John a negotiation between I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:08 ◼   ► love I love how Stack Overflow is so has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10 ◼   ► so altered your worldview like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12 ◼   ► it's not maybe it's not as noticeable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15 ◼   ► like but you know I feel like I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:16 ◼   ► living with you through this experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► is the very first Stack Overflow podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and like you know this you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22 ◼   ► this you you deal with exact same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24 ◼   ► that go all the time and now you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26 ◼   ► help but see other instances of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28 ◼   ► phenomenon that you either as cautionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:31 ◼   ► tales or as things you've actually dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33 ◼   ► with and stackoverflow again you're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► right that you know community that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► leading by example works in some context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and not so much another so leading by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► example net reddit thread not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45 ◼   ► but I would say that like this is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47 ◼   ► going by Stack Overflow a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:48 ◼   ► Stack Overflow is kind of the shining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► star of the Stack Exchange Network and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53 ◼   ► think it also has one of the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► cultures of you know unfortunately it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58 ◼   ► also has the highest traffic I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3178">TS</a>]

00:52:59 ◼   ► to say Stack Overflow doesn't need as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01 ◼   ► much moderation as other sides I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:02 ◼   ► needs way more just because the traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► load but particularly being the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06 ◼   ► stack overflows participants they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► how it's supposed to work you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10 ◼   ► I mean it just so happens that it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:11 ◼   ► has massive traffic so it's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► biggest moderation headache but compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it to like a newly-born area 51 site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17 ◼   ► where there's some people talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19 ◼   ► cooking or something and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► know how this whole stack exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22 ◼   ► engine works and everything that culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25 ◼   ► is so much stronger on stackoverflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► because it's more established its older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the people there know how it's supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29 ◼   ► to work and if you want to be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► that system you will become part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:34 ◼   ► culture whereas on a random reddit page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:37 ◼   ► there's no real way to establish that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39 ◼   ► culture although you do have hacker news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42 ◼   ► is a better example because it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43 ◼   ► smaller site and they did have a culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45 ◼   ► of a different culture than reddit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46 ◼   ► as hacker news has become more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48 ◼   ► popular you see it sort of distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50 ◼   ► descending into reddit madness now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► the religion aspect of this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54 ◼   ► interesting because you do have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:55 ◼   ► the word culture keeps coming up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57 ◼   ► think for good reason because it is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00 ◼   ► like the original Stack Exchange model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02 ◼   ► that the Joel was sort of putting forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04 ◼   ► was that people would just pay money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06 ◼   ► they get a Stack Exchange and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► reasons one of the biggest reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09 ◼   ► actually in my opinion that didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11 ◼   ► was the people starting these had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12 ◼   ► idea what the proper culture was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14 ◼   ► these Q&A sites and they got used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16 ◼   ► really bizarre ways that didn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18 ◼   ► work well with the engine because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20 ◼   ► didn't understand sort of what the goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► were and a lot of what we do and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24 ◼   ► thing that's really surprised me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26 ◼   ► basically it's a culture indoctrination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28 ◼   ► machine you know it's the software works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30 ◼   ► a certain way you can you can pervert it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► to do these other things but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34 ◼   ► probably shouldn't you know and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:37 ◼   ► there are other ways in which the engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39 ◼   ► is actually evolving like as we get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► topics we have sort of we push out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42 ◼   ► engine in different ways to accommodate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43 ◼   ► these new the needs of these new topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45 ◼   ► but you still have to stay on track like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47 ◼   ► my classic example for this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► we're building a truck you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51 ◼   ► can't turn a truck into a car you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53 ◼   ► modify the truck you can get an extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:54 ◼   ► cab you can there's other truck like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56 ◼   ► things you can do to a truck but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57 ◼   ► can't say you know let's just cover up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59 ◼   ► the back and then put seats in there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and they want to adjust a bus right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you've kind of perverted the nature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► what the truck is at that point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► that's a lot of what we're doing at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11 ◼   ► point is is in doctoring people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12 ◼   ► truck culture saying you know hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:13 ◼   ► is a truck it's good at certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it's not good at other things and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17 ◼   ► okay right like and and one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19 ◼   ► favorite Steve Jobs quotes is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21 ◼   ► about you know saying no you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22 ◼   ► learning how to build a feature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24 ◼   ► ironically he said this about iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26 ◼   ► which now is like the ultimate example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28 ◼   ► of the opposite of this which is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► yes to everything and ending up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31 ◼   ► massive kitchen cing bloat which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33 ◼   ► than a little ironic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:34 ◼   ► but originally when iTunes was launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36 ◼   ► Steve Jobs said you know the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38 ◼   ► build a product is not to is to say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► to everything except the most essential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:42 ◼   ► things and in sadly that got lost in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:46 ◼   ► iTunes but it is true as a general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48 ◼   ► know truism as a way to build products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50 ◼   ► as a way to build hardware and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53 ◼   ► know acknowledging like we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:54 ◼   ► to do X you know at all it's just once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56 ◼   ► that was a if Joel was here he would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58 ◼   ► would do the Agni thing because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00 ◼   ► what the situation with iTunes was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01 ◼   ► ain't gonna need that jobs and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:04 ◼   ► philosophy as always you know ship early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:07 ◼   ► get the thing out but remove everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:08 ◼   ► and only sort of demand page in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10 ◼   ► features that you are going to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:11 ◼   ► don't assume oh we have to have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13 ◼   ► a visualizer and a thing to print out CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► labels and all you know if people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20 ◼   ► forget sorry I forget about tunes had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22 ◼   ► visualizer and first version but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24 ◼   ► stripped out a lot of the features from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26 ◼   ► sound Jam which was a drug it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27 ◼   ► derived from and then slowly added them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29 ◼   ► back as sort of the reason or demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32 ◼   ► came down the course then they kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33 ◼   ► adding and made iTunes do many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35 ◼   ► things that it was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:36 ◼   ► originally do which is a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38 ◼   ► that tends to be their philosophy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40 ◼   ► better not to guess what people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43 ◼   ► going to need but just put in the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45 ◼   ► you know make up the central core of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47 ◼   ► product and you did the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:48 ◼   ► the Stack Exchange engine it didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:51 ◼   ► as many features as it has now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52 ◼   ► didn't think oh well of course people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53 ◼   ► are need to comment on questions to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55 ◼   ► those weren't there it turned out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57 ◼   ► eventually painfully it seemed like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:00 ◼   ► did need those comments too as sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02 ◼   ► steam escape valve for activity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05 ◼   ► would otherwise go in worst directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:06 ◼   ► right but you didn't add them from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► beginning you didn't make a giant thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:09 ◼   ► with every feature you'd ever seen on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11 ◼   ► forum bolt and board piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13 ◼   ► and everything so now we have a superset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15 ◼   ► of all features of all competing forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16 ◼   ► products you had a very very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18 ◼   ► subset of the features and only the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20 ◼   ► that you thought you needed right well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22 ◼   ► think it's the bravery of walking up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► a gentle customer I mean in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26 ◼   ► it's less clear because I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► paying us money we'd have the Careers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:28 ◼   ► product and saying look you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► should go elsewhere like we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33 ◼   ► trying to be rude about this but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► you want there's a whole internet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37 ◼   ► and I have to say this to people I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39 ◼   ► like look there's a whole internet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41 ◼   ► know and and we don't guarantee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43 ◼   ► we're going to actually do what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44 ◼   ► us to do we're going to guarantee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46 ◼   ► we'll do a certain subset of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48 ◼   ► but we get pushed back on this still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50 ◼   ► the time and I think nusers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51 ◼   ► constantly coming in that see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54 ◼   ► irony is they see that's working really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:55 ◼   ► well and then they realize they can ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57 ◼   ► anything like you go on stackoverflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58 ◼   ► right now and literally ask anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00 ◼   ► get probably the best answer you'd find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02 ◼   ► on the Internet I would guess because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04 ◼   ► haven't said I'll get closes off topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:05 ◼   ► about three seconds later but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07 ◼   ► answer right but but it worked like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:09 ◼   ► if you permitted that like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11 ◼   ► eventually go in these really crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12 ◼   ► directions and it was going in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:13 ◼   ► crazy directions you know that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15 ◼   ► the things we had to correct for was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:16 ◼   ► that we didn't realize we had built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18 ◼   ► world's best system for identifying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20 ◼   ► most hilarious programmer cartoon in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22 ◼   ► world yeah like we still have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24 ◼   ► system in the world for that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26 ◼   ► surprised and in chime in with his sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28 ◼   ► to lose you as a listener thing another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:29 ◼   ► another perfect example of that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:32 ◼   ► dance humorous reply to anyone who makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34 ◼   ► a complaint about any of the shows is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36 ◼   ► sorry to lose you as a listener and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38 ◼   ► he's doing procedures the most at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39 ◼   ► time but it's the same type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41 ◼   ► that if people want a certain thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:44 ◼   ► a lot of people said to me I'd listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46 ◼   ► your podcast but I really wish it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:47 ◼   ► like 15 minutes long because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48 ◼   ► communiques not that long and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49 ◼   ► like stopping shows in the middle right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:52 ◼   ► let's just create that one a 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54 ◼   ► podcast mine's not it you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56 ◼   ► have to go elsewhere right I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58 ◼   ► part of it a lot of the time when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3538">TS</a>]

00:58:59 ◼   ► respond that way it's people to saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01 ◼   ► that this is why your show sucks or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04 ◼   ► your show suck or whatever it is and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:07 ◼   ► and they're basically saying this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:08 ◼   ► it's not perfect for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10 ◼   ► it should be changed and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12 ◼   ► it's not perfect for me it it that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15 ◼   ► it sucks it's and it doesn't fill my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:16 ◼   ► particular need I so it if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:19 ◼   ► change it then you know I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:22 ◼   ► listen anymore as sort of mobile you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23 ◼   ► know the podcast is Jeff said does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25 ◼   ► whole internet out there this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:26 ◼   ► what you want is not like you no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29 ◼   ► holding a gun to your head and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30 ◼   ► you need to listen to our long podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:31 ◼   ► again when hour-long podcast don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33 ◼   ► listen to them there are shorter ones go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:35 ◼   ► fun you know man I genuinely handle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37 ◼   ► genuinely am sorry that they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38 ◼   ► that we weren't able to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40 ◼   ► something that they liked and I do feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:43 ◼   ► bad but what they're basically saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45 ◼   ► here's why I'm not going to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:46 ◼   ► anymore and and I do feel bad that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48 ◼   ► don't like it but this is this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50 ◼   ► it is and we're not necessarily going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:51 ◼   ► make that change and I'm there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54 ◼   ► sort of painted into a corner I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56 ◼   ► it's a selfish request I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:57 ◼   ► another thing that we ask on Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59 ◼   ► Overflow thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59 ◼   ► Overflow thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00 ◼   ► Changez when you're asking a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01 ◼   ► you need to ask it in such a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03 ◼   ► you pitch it like how can this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:06 ◼   ► be useful other people okay for you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08 ◼   ► commute is 15 minutes right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10 ◼   ► maybe there's this big audience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12 ◼   ► people like if you want to build a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:13 ◼   ► for your position you need to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16 ◼   ► clear that like wow there's look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18 ◼   ► these people that have 15 minutes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20 ◼   ► like like you got to sell it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:21 ◼   ► you got to build up support for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► question and extend like this isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26 ◼   ► my problem this is the problem of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:27 ◼   ► people who listen to your podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29 ◼   ► that's the difference between credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30 ◼   ► criticism and one that's just oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33 ◼   ► personal little pet peeve with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34 ◼   ► thing is X I mean that that happens all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:38 ◼   ► the time on the Stack Exchange in Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40 ◼   ► Overflow Network and something again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42 ◼   ► part of the culture it's like ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:43 ◼   ► question in such a way that you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:45 ◼   ► actually pitch it to other people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47 ◼   ► will believe in your problems though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48 ◼   ► have that problem too and or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51 ◼   ► they could see how someone can have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52 ◼   ► problem and not just you in your room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54 ◼   ► you know building your one lab it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56 ◼   ► how is this going to be helpful to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58 ◼   ► world and that has to be that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00 ◼   ► the overriding concern is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02 ◼   ► you're asking a question you're asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:03 ◼   ► not just for yourself but on behalf of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04 ◼   ► everyone that has that problem or has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06 ◼   ► that criticism or has that concern in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08 ◼   ► the world for the more people believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10 ◼   ► that the better off you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:13 ◼   ► one more topic I want to touch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15 ◼   ► because it actually is timely and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16 ◼   ► very related to what we've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18 ◼   ► about so recently in the Apple community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20 ◼   ► enough Jeff is seeing these stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22 ◼   ► filtering into his world people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24 ◼   ► been talking about apples restriction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26 ◼   ► for Mac applications that are sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29 ◼   ► through the Mac App Store now mat all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31 ◼   ► the Mac applications don't have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33 ◼   ► sewn to the mac app so this is for Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35 ◼   ► sorry listeners but if you choose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37 ◼   ► sell through the night cap store you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:38 ◼   ► many advantages primary one which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40 ◼   ► that it's much easier for users to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41 ◼   ► install an update and you get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43 ◼   ► free you get in users faces you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46 ◼   ► lot of free advertising and awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:47 ◼   ► from being in a Mac App Store so as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49 ◼   ► turns out most Mac developers now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52 ◼   ► either the application only in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54 ◼   ► App Store or in both because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56 ◼   ► can't ignore that market you just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:57 ◼   ► too much money on it so when line was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59 ◼   ► released actually before we saliste at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01 ◼   ► the Worldwide Developers Conference they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03 ◼   ► said we have this new sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05 ◼   ► framework for your applications which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:06 ◼   ► a little bit similar to the sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08 ◼   ► framework they have for applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► iOS and I said so we would like your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10 ◼   ► applications to be sandbox and here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13 ◼   ► the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13 ◼   ► XYZ security that's not the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15 ◼   ► and oh by the way we're going to require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:18 ◼   ► by November that if you sell a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20 ◼   ► application to the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22 ◼   ► it must be sandboxed and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24 ◼   ► announced in June or something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26 ◼   ► November seem like a long time away but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28 ◼   ► here we are and on November 1st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30 ◼   ► developers knew the state was coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32 ◼   ► I've been kind of panicking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34 ◼   ► they're like my application can't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36 ◼   ► with sandbox in the way it works or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38 ◼   ► thing you're forbidding me from doing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:39 ◼   ► need to do for the functionality of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41 ◼   ► application Apple was like well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:42 ◼   ► going to have temporary exclusions if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44 ◼   ► you really need us to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:45 ◼   ► before you can fix your app will let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47 ◼   ► your app do this thing but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48 ◼   ► it's going to go away and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:49 ◼   ► temporary this is the main thing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50 ◼   ► application does a great example is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52 ◼   ► FTP application like transmit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► obviously shows a local view of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57 ◼   ► local file system then you transfer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59 ◼   ► files to your remote file system just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:00 ◼   ► typical file transfer app well having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02 ◼   ► arbitrary view of the local file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04 ◼   ► is forbidden by sandboxing well done can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06 ◼   ► I can I make one observation there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08 ◼   ► you it's like there shouldn't be a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:09 ◼   ► system I would say from a consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11 ◼   ► perspective the error there is file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:12 ◼   ► system needs to go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14 ◼   ► oh yeah no division you see where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16 ◼   ► see where Apple is going with this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17 ◼   ► mean you don't have the total Asian it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:18 ◼   ► just look at iOS right yep right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20 ◼   ► no so I mean it's clear what Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22 ◼   ► doing and that's why most Mac users for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24 ◼   ► like you know Oh sandboxing good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:25 ◼   ► security it's like it's like chroot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27 ◼   ► the UNIX nerds or whatever it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:28 ◼   ► same thing exactly but you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30 ◼   ► isolation is good it makes install and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32 ◼   ► uninstall easier and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34 ◼   ► people have existing businesses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:35 ◼   ► existing applications that are having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37 ◼   ► difficulty working with the madcap story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:38 ◼   ► so well I'll find well then don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40 ◼   ► put your app in the Mac App Store well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41 ◼   ► at this point from a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:42 ◼   ► perspective it's it's a big hit not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:44 ◼   ► have your Mac at your app and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46 ◼   ► App Store so the November first came and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49 ◼   ► I believe on November 2nd Apple sent out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51 ◼   ► an email to all its developers that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53 ◼   ► we're extending into March or was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► it March chatroom can confirm edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57 ◼   ► written down this data minutes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58 ◼   ► believe this is we're extending it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00 ◼   ► March 2012 so you have we have more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02 ◼   ► to work this out now this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:03 ◼   ► example of both the good and the bad of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:07 ◼   ► the developer relationship with Apple so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08 ◼   ► Apple makes this announcement and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10 ◼   ► June and developers go alright I'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12 ◼   ► to start doing this and then as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:13 ◼   ► start implementing this you realize did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15 ◼   ► they have entitlements like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17 ◼   ► entitlements your application that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:18 ◼   ► needs to be able to is the network needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:19 ◼   ► to be able to use the camera needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:20 ◼   ► able to access you know X Y & Z they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:23 ◼   ► well there's no entitlement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24 ◼   ► thing in my application needs to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:25 ◼   ► it's not a frill it's like the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26 ◼   ► functionality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27 ◼   ► application as Jeff pointed out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3867">TS</a>]

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01:07:33 ◼   ► rules that apply in iOS and just BAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34 ◼   ► apply them to Mac OS then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4054">TS</a>]

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01:07:40 ◼   ► optional and weaker and you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4060">TS</a>]

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01:07:56 ◼   ► they decide to move something as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4076">TS</a>]

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01:12:01 ◼   ► know how many people installed apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02 ◼   ► their cell phones before iPhone came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4322">TS</a>]

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01:12:07 ◼   ► for all these things but you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:08 ◼   ► these legacy platforms they've got Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4328">TS</a>]

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01:12:13 ◼   ► try to bring it over and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4333">TS</a>]

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01:12:17 ◼   ► argue their crippling a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:18 ◼   ► intentionally but that's okay because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4338">TS</a>]

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01:12:21 ◼   ► this huge tension between the new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► in the old world like that other new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:24 ◼   ► world versus old world blog post that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4344">TS</a>]

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01:12:28 ◼   ► blog post on the whole transition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29 ◼   ► we're going to growing now was the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4349">TS</a>]

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01:12:35 ◼   ► operating system right John it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:36 ◼   ► Linux it could be Windows it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4356">TS</a>]

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01:12:40 ◼   ► you know dongle requirements to install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4360">TS</a>]

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01:12:52 ◼   ► file system comes up it's like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53 ◼   ► going in the wrong direction like files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4373">TS</a>]

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01:12:59 ◼   ► file system that's visible it's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:02 ◼   ► it's bad needs to go away and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:04 ◼   ► painful transition right this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4384">TS</a>]

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01:13:24 ◼   ► is you know we're heading to our console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4404">TS</a>]

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01:13:35 ◼   ► is kept reasonable and nobody gouges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4415">TS</a>]

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01:16:31 ◼   ► about specs by being a bunch of nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4591">TS</a>]

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01:17:23 ◼   ► so just do bar graphs find the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4643">TS</a>]

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01:17:37 ◼   ► don't rate them that way they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4657">TS</a>]

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01:17:45 ◼   ► as better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:45 ◼   ► ability or just makes me feel nicer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:47 ◼   ► this car you know there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4667">TS</a>]

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01:17:53 ◼   ► with the people buying cars people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55 ◼   ► cars that are not the most horsepower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4675">TS</a>]

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01:17:59 ◼   ► they don't have the best interior space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:00 ◼   ► for the money and in fact that becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4680">TS</a>]

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01:18:06 ◼   ► bad interior space probably allows e-rod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:08 ◼   ► probably lousy mileage probably really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4688">TS</a>]

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01:18:11 ◼   ► drive and how do you measure those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4691">TS</a>]

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01:18:17 ◼   ► starting to mature and undergo that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19 ◼   ► transition and that has helped Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21 ◼   ► tremendously because they are poised to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4701">TS</a>]

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01:18:25 ◼   ► when they were still getting murdered on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27 ◼   ► price.i on specs because I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4707">TS</a>]

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01:18:36 ◼   ► still going to buy this other thing why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4716">TS</a>]

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01:18:52 ◼   ► like back in the 80s people like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4732">TS</a>]

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01:18:58 ◼   ► know the lingo and they were afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4738">TS</a>]

01:18:59 ◼   ► buying the wrong one tell me what to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4739">TS</a>]

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01:19:20 ◼   ► cars right and they end up with cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4760">TS</a>]

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01:20:09 ◼   ► know we should call them clerics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4809">TS</a>]

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01:20:59 ◼   ► pinball machine will come out that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:00 ◼   ► all the old ones seem obsolete like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:03 ◼   ► just look at it you're like wow this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:04 ◼   ► the future like all the all the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:07 ◼   ► games seem like a waste of time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09 ◼   ► kind of had this experience with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:10 ◼   ► battlefield 3 like because battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:12 ◼   ► is the engine is designed for the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:16 ◼   ► it's not a console to fight engine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18 ◼   ► and it really does make older games seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20 ◼   ► like ok this is clearly inferior like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22 ◼   ► you can look at it and you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23 ◼   ► wow this is like I'm actually there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25 ◼   ► sound that the visuals it's dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28 ◼   ► better than what came before in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29 ◼   ► that makes the old stuff seem like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:32 ◼   ► waste of time and the problem they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:35 ◼   ► in the documentary they were transcribed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:36 ◼   ► was like how do you take pinball forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:38 ◼   ► you know in the 90s was for the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:41 ◼   ► golden era of pinball the early 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43 ◼   ► where they sort of reach the pinnacle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:44 ◼   ► this hybrid of so mechanical some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46 ◼   ► digital displays and a bunch of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48 ◼   ► complex play fields it's like where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:50 ◼   ► you go from there I don't spoil the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52 ◼   ► surprise because it's a really neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:53 ◼   ► story but they basically did it they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55 ◼   ► it they came up with something that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57 ◼   ► of reinvented pinball and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:00 ◼   ► the caveat to your story is yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:03 ◼   ► true within the same generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05 ◼   ► pinball like you stopped looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07 ◼   ► features and you start just comparing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:08 ◼   ► color and feel and fabric and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10 ◼   ► like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11 ◼   ► iOS is a good example of reinventing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13 ◼   ► game where they said you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:14 ◼   ► PC and Steve Jobs is said this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16 ◼   ► times the PC battles over Microsoft 110 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19 ◼   ► years ago you know an iPhone and iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:22 ◼   ► the reaction that's like well let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:23 ◼   ► reinvent the game and they call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25 ◼   ► phones were already mature market I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26 ◼   ► would say that's a like an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:27 ◼   ► people never shop for their phones based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:30 ◼   ► on what CPU is in it because people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32 ◼   ► been buying phones since before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:33 ◼   ► were portable and you know first you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34 ◼   ► to get from AT&T but least you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36 ◼   ► maybe pick the color but then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:37 ◼   ► you're shopping you know people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:38 ◼   ► other consumer electronic products that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:41 ◼   ► weren't pcs had similar components they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:43 ◼   ► had computers inside them but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45 ◼   ► shop for their TV based on the megahertz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:46 ◼   ► of the image processor no one it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48 ◼   ► not how it worked so when phones come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50 ◼   ► along or rent the iPod is another great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52 ◼   ► example when the mp3 player comes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:53 ◼   ► people care how much memory the iPod has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55 ◼   ► Apple wouldn't even list it in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:56 ◼   ► specs same thing with the phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:57 ◼   ► don't they don't list how much RAM they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59 ◼   ► wouldn't even tell you for the longest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:00 ◼   ► time they don't you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:01 ◼   ► megahertz the CPU is not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:02 ◼   ► people never shopped for phones like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04 ◼   ► that people never shot for Walkman like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:05 ◼   ► that so it didn't have anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07 ◼   ► transition out of and again that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09 ◼   ► tapley advantage if we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10 ◼   ► compete on these stupid specs that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12 ◼   ► think aren't that important we are free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14 ◼   ► to excel in the areas where we excel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:17 ◼   ► the PC industry just happened to get off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19 ◼   ► kind of like on the wrong foot and spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21 ◼   ► a long time stuck in that that world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:23 ◼   ► specs but the phone you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25 ◼   ► like it it's kind of all the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:27 ◼   ► like well the phone is replacing the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:28 ◼   ► and stuff it's all it's all technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30 ◼   ► it's all C we realize it's basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:31 ◼   ► same operating system underneath all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33 ◼   ► them it's a UNIX kernel and it's mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35 ◼   ► x basis and on darwin and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37 ◼   ► business yeah it's very similar we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39 ◼   ► that but from a consumers perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41 ◼   ► even today when someone buys their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:44 ◼   ► they will they will never ask how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46 ◼   ► RAM it has or what the CPU has unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48 ◼   ► there are nerd but even today when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:51 ◼   ► regular layperson is shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:52 ◼   ► computers if you know they may ask how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:55 ◼   ► much memory it has that may come up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:56 ◼   ► the conversation because it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:57 ◼   ► factor and that has to do a lot to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59 ◼   ► with like how memory is managed on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:00 ◼   ► systems and why it might be a factor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:01 ◼   ► a lot of us just cultural like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03 ◼   ► learned when I go shopping for a PC I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05 ◼   ► should asked about these spec things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06 ◼   ► less so than it has been in the past but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08 ◼   ► we're still like coming out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10 ◼   ► phase of PCs those dark ages I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:12 ◼   ► of the PCs uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:13 ◼   ► existence well I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15 ◼   ► oversimplifying I think it's really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17 ◼   ► to go back to your chronology if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:18 ◼   ► showed you a flying car and a car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:20 ◼   ► had wheels you wouldn't look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:21 ◼   ► say oh I needed to suspect you like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22 ◼   ► my god that's a flying car right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25 ◼   ► clearly this is a different thing than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27 ◼   ► what came before I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:28 ◼   ► massively underselling how often that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30 ◼   ► happens like Syria would be example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32 ◼   ► oh I can talk to my phone and set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34 ◼   ► appointments right like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:35 ◼   ► megahertz that's like some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:37 ◼   ► capability that they're trying to expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39 ◼   ► and popularize like the flying car right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:42 ◼   ► and that's the discrimination it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44 ◼   ► completely artificial like Siri could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:45 ◼   ► run on the for right but they make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:47 ◼   ► only run on the 4s because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49 ◼   ► segmentation which I'm fine with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50 ◼   ► actually but that's an example of again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53 ◼   ► the flying car thing and I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55 ◼   ► little disrespectful the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57 ◼   ► industry say everything was always done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:58 ◼   ► in specs it was like oh my god VisiCalc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00 ◼   ► I can actually do oh yeah there was yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:03 ◼   ► there was definitely that that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:04 ◼   ► thing of like the things leap frogging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06 ◼   ► the previous one I would say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:07 ◼   ► Internet is the biggest new feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09 ◼   ► you know what there was nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:10 ◼   ► technically yeah an old computer could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:12 ◼   ► still do internet stop once the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14 ◼   ► became along that was a diminishment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16 ◼   ► what the specs mean because what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:17 ◼   ► really want to do with the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:18 ◼   ► connect to other people and that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:19 ◼   ► new capability and the spreadsheet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21 ◼   ► same thing like well I don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:23 ◼   ► much memory this has I just know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:24 ◼   ► I'm buy an Apple 2 there's this thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26 ◼   ► can put numbers on that automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:27 ◼   ► calculates them for me in real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:28 ◼   ► right there's new amazing thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30 ◼   ► there's always gonna be some new amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► thing that you can do and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33 ◼   ► exciting part of the industry to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35 ◼   ► I think that again you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:37 ◼   ► underselling how often that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39 ◼   ► happens fairly well I mean the spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41 ◼   ► thing is mostly getting as why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:42 ◼   ► that Apple is a player now and wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:45 ◼   ► player before a lot of it has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:46 ◼   ► them going into markets where specs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48 ◼   ► never a factor but even on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:49 ◼   ► sure where the reason the Mac is out set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:51 ◼   ► out growing you know the rate of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53 ◼   ► increase of Mac sales is much higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:54 ◼   ► than the industry average for generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:56 ◼   ► pcs is because the PC industry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59 ◼   ► finally finally coming out of that phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01 ◼   ► where specs mean so much specs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04 ◼   ► compatibility to things so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06 ◼   ► can't get this because doesn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:07 ◼   ► Windows and I can't get this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09 ◼   ► would feel dumb because my friend tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:10 ◼   ► me that I can get a Pentium for half as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:12 ◼   ► much money well we have obscene amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14 ◼   ► of power we have I think we reached the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16 ◼   ► point in Moore's law where we have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:17 ◼   ► power than really anyone can use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:20 ◼   ► have for like I would say the last four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22 ◼   ► years at least like someone made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24 ◼   ► point in the chat room they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:25 ◼   ► like well back when cars had 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:26 ◼   ► horsepower not worrying about how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28 ◼   ► horsepower had car had up is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29 ◼   ► but now you the poorest where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31 ◼   ► is as much as you feel like paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33 ◼   ► and gas space could be answer and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:36 ◼   ► conceptually what's happening is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:37 ◼   ► things that require that much compute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39 ◼   ► power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:39 ◼   ► or getting near your reaching the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41 ◼   ► the pyramid like people who do video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:42 ◼   ► rendering people who do hardcore ballad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44 ◼   ► is always gaming and there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:46 ◼   ► gaming there's always gaming but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48 ◼   ► that the console off' occation there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:49 ◼   ► certain standardization of you know xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51 ◼   ► and ps3 specs are frankly really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53 ◼   ► modern standards really but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:56 ◼   ► they still get by with it that's a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:58 ◼   ► year old spec right it still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5218">TS</a>]

01:26:59 ◼   ► works like battlefield 3 does scale down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01 ◼   ► not if you get the texture pack you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:04 ◼   ► don't see it on a PC there's and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:05 ◼   ► how amazing I know did you see the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:07 ◼   ► they showed of what what battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:08 ◼   ► looks like without the the optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10 ◼   ► texture pack that you can download and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:11 ◼   ► install it's really grim yeah exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:15 ◼   ► and again that's that's an extreme but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17 ◼   ► even within let me give an example let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19 ◼   ► me talk Nate say negative things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20 ◼   ► myself like the PC gamer is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:23 ◼   ► rare beast now because who's gonna spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:25 ◼   ► $500 or you know let's say $200 be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:28 ◼   ► realistic on a video card to play this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:29 ◼   ► game like I will because I'm crazy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:31 ◼   ► but the average person probably not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:34 ◼   ► mean you're dealing with hot rodders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:35 ◼   ► right and the hot rodders are important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:37 ◼   ► they're they're relevant they drive some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39 ◼   ► parts the industry but they're not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:40 ◼   ► most the money is made like in cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:43 ◼   ► right you don't sell you know a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:45 ◼   ► cars to hot rodders oh the analogy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:48 ◼   ► with the cars was that you know back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:50 ◼   ► my parents generation or my grandparents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52 ◼   ► generation people loved to work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:53 ◼   ► cars and clean up their carburetor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:54 ◼   ► themselves and stuff and then all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:56 ◼   ► mobile Mon today's cars which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:57 ◼   ► completely sealed and you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:58 ◼   ► special car computer to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:00 ◼   ► complicated with because you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:02 ◼   ► get in there it's not a machine you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:03 ◼   ► mess with with your hands it's become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:04 ◼   ► closed system it's like bolted down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06 ◼   ► the cover and you need an engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:07 ◼   ► computer to adjust anything in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09 ◼   ► just it's not open like it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11 ◼   ► yeah the only thing I don't like about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:14 ◼   ► car analogy works and I'm happy to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15 ◼   ► the chronology but one thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:16 ◼   ► like about it is we'll never get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18 ◼   ► flying cars flying cars are never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:20 ◼   ► going to happen and in our lives time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22 ◼   ► maybe none our children's lifetimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:22 ◼   ► probably I mean like an analogy flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25 ◼   ► cars to reappoint cars well well my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27 ◼   ► point is in computers we get into flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29 ◼   ► and beyond like I think the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:30 ◼   ► can do are so much mean yeah it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:32 ◼   ► fancy because obviously a Turing machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:35 ◼   ► is much more mutable machine than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:36 ◼   ► rolling thing that transports people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:38 ◼   ► exactly is I think it it I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41 ◼   ► get into like the culture of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:42 ◼   ► of what you shop based on not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44 ◼   ► the attributes of the individual product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46 ◼   ► so that the consoles are a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:47 ◼   ► because they are sort of going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49 ◼   ► the same thing where before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:52 ◼   ► you had to get a new console generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54 ◼   ► every couple of years just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:55 ◼   ► graphics could be so much better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:56 ◼   ► that was driving the industry and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:58 ◼   ► for a variety of reasons the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:01 ◼   ► generation of consoles seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:03 ◼   ► taking longer than the other ones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:05 ◼   ► because you know all these graphics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:06 ◼   ► good enough I hate that saying and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08 ◼   ► think they're not but it's just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11 ◼   ► return on investment in graphics is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:13 ◼   ► diminishing from when we were going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15 ◼   ► a yellow Square and adventure to doom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► like that was that's a big selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20 ◼   ► proposition and now you're like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:21 ◼   ► can look how awesome battle III looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:23 ◼   ► like I'm a B C and look how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:24 ◼   ► looks on your xbox but it's like yeah is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:28 ◼   ► it you know I'm happy playing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:29 ◼   ► Xbox I know I can stall on the PC you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32 ◼   ► don't have to buy a new video card I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:33 ◼   ► have to you know I mean these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:34 ◼   ► reasonable valid arguments for yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:37 ◼   ► so there will be a new console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:39 ◼   ► generation assuming all those companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:40 ◼   ► don't go out of business by then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:41 ◼   ► assuming Nintendo does not to switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:43 ◼   ► just selling software but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:45 ◼   ► there will be a new part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47 ◼   ► generation of consoles that will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49 ◼   ► all the benefits that consoles have but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51 ◼   ► in the meantime I think that the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:53 ◼   ► gamers although they are a minority I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56 ◼   ► don't know I have a hard time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58 ◼   ► same way I have a hard time envisioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5398">TS</a>]

01:29:59 ◼   ► the general-purpose computer ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01 ◼   ► completely going away because it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02 ◼   ► example developers will need it for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:03 ◼   ► lifetime anyway wha PC gaming is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07 ◼   ► probably about as small as it's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09 ◼   ► going to get but that's the analogy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11 ◼   ► want people to understand is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:12 ◼   ► you buy a MacBook Pro you're becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:14 ◼   ► hot-rodder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:15 ◼   ► like I know it doesn't seem that way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17 ◼   ► in the new world that's emerging you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18 ◼   ► a hot-rodder like them the MacBook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro don't really fit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:21 ◼   ► that reason they're the hot rods I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:24 ◼   ► it seems like the Mac Pro is and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:25 ◼   ► already that was a ridiculous machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27 ◼   ► three years ago frankly like the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29 ◼   ► now there's all these news articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:30 ◼   ► about oh they're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:31 ◼   ► discontinuing the Mac Pro mics yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:32 ◼   ► you're you're reading Apple sites yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:35 ◼   ► I'm like finally like well it comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:36 ◼   ► on Twitter because we all we all want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38 ◼   ► one more Mac Pro so in jinxes stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:40 ◼   ► i'm i whatever the next I want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42 ◼   ► make one more so I can buy it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:43 ◼   ► we can talk about getting rid of it okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:45 ◼   ► because as you know it is a ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:48 ◼   ► machine but honestly the Mac Pros has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50 ◼   ► been the Apple 3 of the lineup for since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:52 ◼   ► forever enough is it agreeing here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:54 ◼   ► great thing about the Mac Pro and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:55 ◼   ► reason people like me why the obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57 ◼   ► these people who are professionals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:58 ◼   ► they needed for x y&z reason because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:00 ◼   ► they have these seven PCI Express cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02 ◼   ► shoved in there and all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:03 ◼   ► reasons sorry but the reason I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:05 ◼   ► Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:05 ◼   ► is it because it's finally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07 ◼   ► culmination of my dream computer it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:11 ◼   ► everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:11 ◼   ► I can play Windows games in it I can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:14 ◼   ► a big hot video card in it I can install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:16 ◼   ► lots of internal drives it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18 ◼   ► everything it runs Windows natively runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:19 ◼   ► Mac natively it's really fast it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21 ◼   ► lot of room it's got a big video card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:23 ◼   ► never before has there been this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25 ◼   ► confluence of events where you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27 ◼   ► one machine that does everything for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29 ◼   ► that it's you know you're not cut out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:31 ◼   ► the world of PC gaming because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33 ◼   ► just boot into Windows right you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:35 ◼   ► use the Mac operating system that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:37 ◼   ► want and you can its internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39 ◼   ► expandable and user serviceable and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41 ◼   ► could open some up it is the it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:42 ◼   ► dream machine and if and when the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44 ◼   ► Pro finally goes away that will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:46 ◼   ► end of the dream machine because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:49 ◼   ► can't you know it's like well what do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:50 ◼   ► for me it's like what do I do for gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52 ◼   ► that oh well you know you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:54 ◼   ► connect something with Thunderbolt but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:55 ◼   ► you can't connect to gaming GPU with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57 ◼   ► Thunderbolt because you know 16 X or 8 X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59 ◼   ► PCI Express Lanes don't go over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:01 ◼   ► Thunderbolt so what do I do then do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03 ◼   ► have to buy separate gaming PC and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:04 ◼   ► have a cute little Mac that I use I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06 ◼   ► back to the old ugly way obviously I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08 ◼   ► in the vast majority of people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10 ◼   ► world which is why the Mac Pros days are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12 ◼   ► probably numbered but it will be sad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14 ◼   ► me when it it finally goes away and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:15 ◼   ► lot of people you know you you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:18 ◼   ► have any Mac's at home at all do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:19 ◼   ► Jeff you just got pcs the iPhone does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:22 ◼   ► that right so you've that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:25 ◼   ► losing anything because you were never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:26 ◼   ► Mac user to begin with you're an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:28 ◼   ► user but you never like boy when I do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30 ◼   ► daily work I would rather be using a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:31 ◼   ► right and you're like you've never got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33 ◼   ► to that because if you had they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35 ◼   ► taking that away from you I mean I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36 ◼   ► super sympathetic this because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38 ◼   ► that the fact that Apple treats their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40 ◼   ► hardware's a dongle to install the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:41 ◼   ► operating system is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43 ◼   ► like I think for guys like you who need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45 ◼   ► that you should be able just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:46 ◼   ► commodity hardware which is what it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:47 ◼   ► think it was a beautiful machine I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:50 ◼   ► to I want to give Apple their props like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:51 ◼   ► Apple does a beautiful job of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:54 ◼   ► designing stuff and thinking it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:55 ◼   ► and if you look at the Mac Pro it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56 ◼   ► really well designed machine but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5576">TS</a>]

01:33:00 ◼   ► idea that you can only install OS 10 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02 ◼   ► you know approved hardware is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04 ◼   ► ridiculous I know you don't like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:05 ◼   ► I mean you know the advantages are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07 ◼   ► it may rub you the wrong way but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09 ◼   ► you the advantages are obvious in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11 ◼   ► of how they well you could just install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13 ◼   ► a hacked operating system that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:14 ◼   ► you really should do I know but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16 ◼   ► can't Apple doesn't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:17 ◼   ► that Apple has not to support every kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19 ◼   ► of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:19 ◼   ► Under the Sun they can't they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:20 ◼   ► enough trouble believe me they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:21 ◼   ► enough trouble just supporting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22 ◼   ► hardware they distribute if they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24 ◼   ► support the entire range of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25 ◼   ► they don't want to be in the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:26 ◼   ► they want it they want it it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:27 ◼   ► saying if you get IOS to run on any cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29 ◼   ► phone would that be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:30 ◼   ► no same same exact thing with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32 ◼   ► middle you said you wanted expandability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34 ◼   ► all the stuff that really died with Waze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:35 ◼   ► right when Waze was no longer part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:37 ◼   ► the company doesn't matter bro is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:38 ◼   ► head is humongous is you could fit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40 ◼   ► little village inside there you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:42 ◼   ► it's days are numbered everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:44 ◼   ► acknowledges I know that's that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:45 ◼   ► to be sad for me because that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:47 ◼   ► be the end of my one dream machine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:49 ◼   ► does everything and it--and and in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:51 ◼   ► respects is kind of ironic that I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53 ◼   ► advantage I'm gaming is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:54 ◼   ► Microsoft is so promiscuous Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:56 ◼   ► says yeah but we're on Windows than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:57 ◼   ► anything a Mac Pro makes for a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:59 ◼   ► fast really good Windows machine may all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:01 ◼   ► Macs do if you want to buy Mac hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03 ◼   ► because you like the hardware it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:04 ◼   ► exactly the screen size you want exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:06 ◼   ► the capacity and the port's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:07 ◼   ► want but you don't like Mac os10 run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:09 ◼   ► windows onto the runs it runs really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:11 ◼   ► well they're nice pcs right and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:14 ◼   ► dreaming is that last thing that we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:15 ◼   ► to wrench away from pcs it means that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17 ◼   ► have to run Windows and it's nice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19 ◼   ► I'm able to because when Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:21 ◼   ► not like a bonus regard but if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:23 ◼   ► the right hardware if you buy from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:24 ◼   ► very constrained list of hardware you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:26 ◼   ► using the same hardware's apples using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:27 ◼   ► and then I don't know the state of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:28 ◼   ► hackintosh like how difficult it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:30 ◼   ► done but that's you know I'm an old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:32 ◼   ► I don't deal with those hassles I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:34 ◼   ► want to figure out exactly the parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:35 ◼   ► that have to and Apple does have custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37 ◼   ► boards like they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:38 ◼   ► doing off-the-shelf parts from Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40 ◼   ► manufacturers they are making em it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41 ◼   ► not they're using all the same chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43 ◼   ► everything but every once in a while is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:44 ◼   ► one you know that this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:46 ◼   ► combination of i/o controllers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:48 ◼   ► interfaces and and you know chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:51 ◼   ► really doesn't exist anywhere outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53 ◼   ► Apple and you know dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56 ◼   ► hackintosh means I can probably get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:57 ◼   ► work the next time is the system update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:59 ◼   ► I got to react it it's just it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:01 ◼   ► kind of hassle that I'm that into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:02 ◼   ► like for example you with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:03 ◼   ► overclocking I would never do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:05 ◼   ► overclocking thing that you do but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07 ◼   ► what you're doing it you're you are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:09 ◼   ► like a hot-rodder than anyone buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:11 ◼   ► Mac Pro because you were literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:12 ◼   ► hot-rodding your machine it's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:13 ◼   ► enough the way it is you're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:14 ◼   ► well I can overclock the bus a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:15 ◼   ► bit and then put two video cards in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17 ◼   ► there and do sli and I just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19 ◼   ► something that you know for to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21 ◼   ► battlefield example give me the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23 ◼   ► single card single slot GPU that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:27 ◼   ► buy and sticking and I don't want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:28 ◼   ► sli I don't want the double GPU thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30 ◼   ► because it's too hot but I'll be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32 ◼   ► with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:33 ◼   ► you know the best single car double GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36 ◼   ► single slot thing that I can put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:39 ◼   ► there and yeah that's you're just in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:42 ◼   ► weird place right now I mean ever see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43 ◼   ► what you're saying it's the place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:44 ◼   ► know I again I ever totally recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:46 ◼   ► that this doesn't does not sway Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:48 ◼   ► any way nor should it because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:49 ◼   ► business is much bigger than you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:50 ◼   ► it's just set that's why people are sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52 ◼   ► about the Mac Pro because it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54 ◼   ► confluence events but you could run you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:55 ◼   ► had Unix yeah yeah UNIX and Mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57 ◼   ► combined in Mac OS 10 and that was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59 ◼   ► for people who loved UNIX like me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00 ◼   ► and then to get Windows on top of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:01 ◼   ► and games on top of that get everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:03 ◼   ► with one box so please Apple one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:05 ◼   ► Mac Pro I'll buy it it'll say he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:07 ◼   ► serve me for like four more years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08 ◼   ► especially if I swap out GPUs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11 ◼   ► you can do whatever you want sounds fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:14 ◼   ► well hopefully they'll do that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16 ◼   ► know I mean again secrecy right so who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18 ◼   ► knows what they're gonna do yeah rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:21 ◼   ► you know it the worst case scenario they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:22 ◼   ► cancel it I can get a new one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24 ◼   ► mine that new mine several years old I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26 ◼   ► can get a new one for cheaper for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27 ◼   ► can the line right put it next to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:30 ◼   ► mac cube your can yeah I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:32 ◼   ► cubic Dan does all right we are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34 ◼   ► long I still do it's it's uh sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:37 ◼   ► right here I think we are way over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:40 ◼   ► there's my amazing it 9 defy no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43 ◼   ► anymore 95 minutes might be a record now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:47 ◼   ► we've done 120 on the show right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49 ◼   ► thought I could have a better argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51 ◼   ► with Jeff in person because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53 ◼   ► delay and talking I I would be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55 ◼   ► inclined to talk over him and interrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:58 ◼   ► him in person I'm sure he would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00 ◼   ► that but yeah that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02 ◼   ► it worked fine for me well if you did if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:05 ◼   ► you want to how should a hash these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5825">TS</a>]

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