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00:00:50 ◼ ► reinvigorate net hey john siracusa hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/50">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► dan benjamin we have a guest we do first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► for the show remember yeah who is it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► is Jeff Atwood I've heard that name how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► can we describe Jeff Atwood creator of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► coding horror very practical programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/69">TS</a>]
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00:01:16 ◼ ► co-founder of Stack Overflow is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/76">TS</a>]
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00:01:27 ◼ ► websites if you're a programmer and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/87">TS</a>]
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00:01:34 ◼ ► now have an empire the Stack Exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/94">TS</a>]
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00:01:39 ◼ ► how many topics you have 50 something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/99">TS</a>]
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00:01:43 ◼ ► cooking to video games to bicycling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► do-it-yourself home improvement he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► this with Joel Spolsky who is still too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► big to come in the show but we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/111">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► him eventually someday and we asked Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/112">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► Oh Jeff is very much a man of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/117">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► yes he is he is he's very very into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► doing things out in the open and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► would qualify as one of those things oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► and uh he was on the pipeline I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► the pipeline interview show that Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► and get extensive background on him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► his business and his interest go listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► to the episode of the pipeline in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► you may want to pause this now go find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► that episode of the pipeline downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/143">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► I'll put it in the show notes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► resume when you when you understand who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► Jeff isn't where he's coming from I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► already got it in the show notes it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► episode number 38 which was recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► oh I don't actually know I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/156">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► wasn't recorded January 11th but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► released January 11th so welcome back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► Jeff yeah thank you and that was a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/163">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► show I've gotten compliments on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/167">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► people really liked that show it showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► that you were you were a human being and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► not just a fearful shocked looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► avatar that's right that's right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► hopefully won't be recapping that here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► when us is going to really definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► not be a kiss that's why I suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► people do so the reason I wanted to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/184">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Jeff on is because he was kind enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► Exchange podcast with him and Joel and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► couple other cast of characters who come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► in and out and that's mostly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► talking about the Stack Exchange Network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/196">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► and they invite on different people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► are involved in the stacking string that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► constrains network in some way or who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► are a longtime fans of it like I am and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► just interesting people in general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/206">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► know yes so I was on there and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/207">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► end of that podcast I think Joel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/211">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► arguments that were had on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► and in decades past and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► was fun and then we were you know poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► each other on Twitter about Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► related topics and I figured a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► somewhere else so we're taking it to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/234">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► podcast taking it to my podcast where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► have enough room to stretch out and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► a good old fashioned Mac PC Apple is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/240">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► different slightly different take than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/248">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► you don't know something gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► little more thoughtful hopefully not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► just knee-jerk Apple versus PC cuz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/253">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► don't really I'm not really interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► in that but I think there is some nuance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► to it yeah well so can head I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► to say that like I mean this is all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/262">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► fun on Twitter and everything but it two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► when I thought of having a podcast of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► own I wanted to have a podcast where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► would get people who disagreed with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► on the podcast and then I would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► with them because I like arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► people but I also understood that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► of people don't like to hear other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/278">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► people argue they find they find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/279">TS</a>]
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00:04:45 ◼ ► to be entertained but they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/285">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► just hear a bunch of people bickering so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/286">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► there's some people who like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/287">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► some people who don't so I've had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► balance that Dan disagrees with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► enough to give enough flavor in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► regard but the second thing I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/293">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► say is that my prediction before we even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► begin this is that Jeff and I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► agree on almost everything and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/298">TS</a>]
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00:05:03 ◼ ► where we insert the snark and maybe our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► backgrounds but when it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/306">TS</a>]
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00:05:10 ◼ ► will find we are mostly in violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/310">TS</a>]
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00:05:15 ◼ ► and before we start that I one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► wanted to bring up if it's okay with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/317">TS</a>]
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00:05:22 ◼ ► remember coming from you several times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► about how difficult it is to watch shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/324">TS</a>]
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00:05:32 ◼ ► in danger like once you have a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/332">TS</a>]
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00:05:39 ◼ ► think I'm trying to remove the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► but it there's it's so true it's so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► that like once you have a kid it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► unlocks some door in you we're watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► these movies and stuff where children or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/350">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► danger becomes really painful like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► really internalize that like what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► happen like the most horrible thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► can think of as something happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/358">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► your child and then sort of once that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► door has been unlocked in you man it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► really changes the way you look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► skeptical as like oh whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► people are very sensitive about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/369">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► like that doesn't make sense and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► sure enough I believe John was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► like now when I watch stuff like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► like I cringe really is your ebrill at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► all like you're your rational brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/382">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► like yeah whatever no big deal is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► like you know like distinguish between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/385">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► things that make you upset or nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► cerebrally like for example of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► who don't like public speaking like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► for example yes the thought of going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► in front of the room and speaking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► public you know it's like oh boy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/397">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► really nervous about this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/398">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► other things like for example watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/401">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► some horrible stupid be sci-fi movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/404">TS</a>]
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00:06:48 ◼ ► danger you rational brains like how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► movie is stupid but there's some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► part of you that's triggered by these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► children in danger you're like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/413">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► this feeling I'm having but it does like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► doesn't connect with the rational part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► of your brain is like or even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► we've already seen I seen this movie 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► times why is this bother me why why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► my heart rate increasing why do I feel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/422">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► little bit upset no until you join you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► feel manipulated to you feel like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► they're really just pushing my buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/428">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► rightly they're doing this just to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► rise out of me and you know it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► works I don't know if I go that far cos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► I'm still able to understand it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► it's not them it's me like that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► point of my blogpost I'll put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/439">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► show notes it's like it's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► people watch that and they get upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/442">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► about the people who made this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/443">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► like oh well I'm offended well I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► you know and people don't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► the things that are going to upset you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► have so much more to do with you than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► they do with the creator it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/451">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► this movie is bad or those people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► out to get you because they happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/455">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► have children in peril and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/456">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► examples I think I gave was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/458">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► like if you were in a horrific car crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► some time in your life any movie or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► television show that involves a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/463">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► crash you will find upsetting right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► that then people make the leap to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/468">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► hate these people who made the show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► the car grass don't they understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► people out there I've had car crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► this is very upsetting to us you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/474">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► don't hate the creators there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► it's not the content itself that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► inherently evil or manipulative they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/479">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► experiences that individual people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► have had so I don't I definitely don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► that was one of the points of my blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► post I definitely don't go through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► blame the creators of this content I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/488">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► think creators have to be aware that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► has this effect on certain people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► there's just no way you can create art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/494">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► with worrying about well if the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► had a relative who had cancer we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/497">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► have a cancer plotline if the person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/498">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► ever in a car crash we can have a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► crash and the person have kids we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/501">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► have kids in danger you can't create art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► that way yeah there's a certain taboo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► around children I mean if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► videogames for example I remember and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/508">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► fallout in other games there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► children it's just not it's so taboo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► people complain about that and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► leave it but it but there's a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► taboo around it that there's not a taboo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► around safety oh yeah everybody has kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► but how many people have been in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/522">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► horrific car crash you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/523">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► common experience and the bond is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► strong with children it's just yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/525">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► and you shouldn't do something to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► intentionally manipulative like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► doing this because I know will upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► people with kids but if it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/538">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► story you know that's it's a balance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/539">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► something to that I mean in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/543">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► anecdotally the thing about you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/546">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► you go to prison if you're known as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/547">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► person who are its children like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► the criminals hate you right like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► that's what I remember hearing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► something like even if you're hardened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/556">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► criminal that's like basically evil like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► you will do harm to other criminals who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/560">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► have harmed children so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► there's a lot of residue with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► criminals were children at one point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/566">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► were very likely harm themselves that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► actually an example of somebody who said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► happening it makes me very upset so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► childhood are very high and then someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/577">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► comes in who hurts children that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► to trigger in all those people not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► just because it's like a taboo but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/582">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► because that happened to them it's as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► they were all in car crashes and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► car crash comes in to prison you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► that's a really interesting theory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► makes sense I mean I don't think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► criminals were necessarily mistreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► children but I agree it's just more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► likely it is compounding because even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► you if you were not in a place full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► criminals even just normal people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► normal childhoods but not like you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/600">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► you're right it is it is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► bigger taboos that's out there with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► good reasons I'm I'm a humongous fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/605">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► evolutionary explanations of almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► everything so it kind of makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► that things that harm children would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► upsetting because all of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/615">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► are not upset by harm to children didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► successfully make their pass on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► genes you know I mean that's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/620">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► also a good point so moving on from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► although I John was absolutely right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► about this you can write that down John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/627">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► that you were right about that I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► reading the Steve Jobs biography I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► immediately I mean I'm impressed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► know because I was a little critical of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► jobs on the Twitter because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► I think what bothers me a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/643">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► about jobs is a is a complex person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/644">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► right he has he has a dark side which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/647">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► think comes clue through very clearly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► the biography but I was very impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► that he authorized this biography that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► you know he didn't vet it's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► like a sanitized view of jobs this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► third party reporter who liked jobs sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► of but wasn't like in love with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► writing you know his reality he's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► to write the reality of the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/668">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► person that jobs was and that does come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► through even though I'm only like ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► percent through according to Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► I appreciate that Jobs was willing to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► do this at the end of his life say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/678">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► know I'm not gonna have this reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► distortion field of my life I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► have this reporter write exactly what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► thinks and talk to the original people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► and I mean that's not that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► definitely is a positive measure of jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► as a man I think that they did that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► assume that you've completed it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► almost done I think next week's show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► actually going to be all about jobs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► fact this if you hadn't shown up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► week's show is going to be all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/704">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► jobs by Allah if I could help it I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► a lot of things to say about it but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/707">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► coming definitely from a different place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/708">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► than your because I would imagine this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► is the first book about Apple or jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► that you've ever read it is but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► knew so much of the history like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/716">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► like I said I'm only 10% in but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► early history it's repeating a lot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► that I knew yeah a lot of this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► you know in the culture now where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► founding story of Apple and stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► just get it through osmosis from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/726">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► on the web you know exactly but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► it's not like I you know I I knew of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► jobs I knew the history and it's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/733">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► a little bit repetitive like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► learning a ton knew that other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► again the complexity of jobs you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► having the dark and light side that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► comes through very clearly that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/743">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► that does sometimes get lost that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► actually my beef a lot of my beef on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Twitter was that the painting of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► this is really the beautification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► yeah that happens anytime I assume since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► you probably don't listen to my podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/754">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► if you had listened to the episode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► we talked about Steve Jobs both retiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► and then again when he died I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► made a lot of the same points that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/761">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► were making on Twitter about the dangers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► of putting someone up on a pedestal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/764">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► not recognizing them for what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► and I made some predictions about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/769">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► we might see in the jobs bio and sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► getting to new information that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► previously released and you could see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/775">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► lot of the things I predicted but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/777">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► don't go too far often on that tangent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► with the one thing I really wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► talk about this is not really timely now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► but it would have been timely if we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/783">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► gotten our acts together sooner is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► thing that you wrote what was the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/787">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► of this I just have it in my notes as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/788">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► Apple as king you remember that blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/790">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► post on coding horror oh yeah serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► the pleasure of the Kings that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► I'll try to summarize it for you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► them and you can correct me if wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► it was basically about what it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► be a developer for the platforms that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Apple controls with Apple being the king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/806">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► and you know you serve at the pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/807">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► of the king as a developer and you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► a couple of examples about Marco with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► Marco and Instapaper and his trials and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► then Marco responded to your pose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► then another person responded to Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► response and I put a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► these in the show notes people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/823">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► follow the links and see the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► internet should work someone puts a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► post it's interesting and provocative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► and that other people reply on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► blogs and it just goes around a circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/832">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and it went over to Twitter and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► whole nine yards it was it was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► cycle there but I think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► jumping-off point for what I perceive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► be strange continuing prejudices in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/841">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► world of people who are not absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► embroiled in all things Apple about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/848">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► Apple's like and the way they work so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► guess I'll start by asking Jeff what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► I've done a bad job summarize what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/858">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► you're saying what what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► your main point was with with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► article and how do you respond to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► people who argued against it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► where I was going with that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Apple is unique in that they really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► willing to sacrifice you for the greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► good of sort of the goal and the goal in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► this case is you know a good experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► for consumers and I as a consumer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► was one of the points of this blog entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/882">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► was a consumer I agree with it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► basically they should be screwing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► developers often if you look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► what's wrong with a lot of the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/891">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► ecosystem it's that the developers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► selfish they want their apps do exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► what they want all the time but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► doesn't mean that they're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/900">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► right thing for you and a trivial little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► example of that is every app in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/903">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► windows ecosystem not every app but way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► too many apps will demand that they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► its startup and Microsoft has no policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► about this so the average user has 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► things on their computer that start up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► at boot that are mostly frankly bull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► right like that users don't need like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► the Adobe updater to run every time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► happens in the windows ecosystem and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► windows ecosystem is sort of a a tale of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► what happens when you let third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► control the experience they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/933">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► not to put too fine a point they up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/934">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► actually going to let that happen we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► going to give you a very constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► list of things that you can do and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► you sort of violate any of those then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► you know you do so at your peril and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► because I've seen what happens when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► let developers have unfettered access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► everything unless developers do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► they want to do it's just hard like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► putting on my developer hat though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► know it's hard to stomach that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► consumer I love it but as a developer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► makes me really wary you know and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► was point number one that I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/971">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► to make and then point number two is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► this weird bland acceptance of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► things that Apple does as okay I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► in this this this goal of protecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► consumers is the greater good therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► subsume my priorities to match the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► motherships you know instead of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► critical of Apple as I think they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► be a little bit more critical that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► was the weird thing that Marco's post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► was that you know his Twitter message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/997">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► was one word you know it was like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► god apples producing this feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► does exactly what my paid I mean Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► quit this is his company right his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► company does this one thing now Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► does this one thing that he does I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► there's a little bit more nuance to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► he doesn't you know better and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► stuff but the core feature I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► really was copied very very directly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► I don't know that sort of thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► windows world is viewed very harshly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► right like Apple or Microsoft has stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► my feature whatever it is antivirus or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► whatever like you know now Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► ships Security Essentials or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► and everybody gets up in arms about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► but when it happens the Apple world it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► like oh well that's just what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► do so therefore it must be okay and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► find that a little depressing frankly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► mean I can add a little bit of color to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► that uh that that Marco tweet because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► was sitting next to him at the time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► tweeted it so first of all Marco already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► knew about the disservice that Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► going to introduce in Lion what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► called reading list in Safari that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► known he had paid blogged about it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► couple months before the thing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► prediction was that this feature would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► be something they would be in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► safari on lion and that's the extent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► it and and the keynote was revealed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► these things that you save for later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► reading will be synchronized with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► iOS devices as well and he had assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► that Apple would not do that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► was a big big competitive advantage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► his product was not only does he do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► better but his thing syncs across all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► your devices where he's assumed apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► thing would be an island so he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► immediately upset not by the existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► the feature but by the fact that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► closer to matching the functionality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► his product than he had originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► thought now I think did you read all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► responses to the people I'm sure many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► red markers response and then that Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► I haven't actually so he doesn't assert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► enough I will summarize for you so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► couple of the the things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► responses and I have a couple quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► from your thing one of the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► said if Microsoft added a feature to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► windows that duplicated a popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► applications functionalities developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► would be screaming bloody murder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► rioting in the blogs and web forums and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► a bunch of people responded to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► extensive examples of Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► doing the exact same thing you said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► in the Mac world of the King deems it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► necessary then it must be then so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► must be so this we have a long history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► in the Apple community of screaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► bloody murder exactly like that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► Apple does these things I I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► go back a couple of years one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► first ones that they did was a Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► Sherlock was this searching utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► thing I know Dan you still there can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► give me that what was the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► that uh that Sherlock was squishing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► Watson right that was incredibly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► rude because the thing that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► squishing was named Watson and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► it's clear that Apple knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► were stopping on this guy's thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► called her thing Sherlock yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► exactly right and it was it was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► deal then and that was there was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► forgetting the name of the other app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► that was out shortly after that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► period but Apple did a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► when it came to like it was a task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► switcher app so that you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► command tab and you could switch but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► didn't just let you switch apps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► presented a very Mac os10 not lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► we might have even talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1198">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► before in the same context that light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► switch Elijah had this great big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► know icon of the apps that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► switching for and then Apple released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► the things so there was there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► beginning to be a little bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► pattern of this going on yeah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► we dashboard dashboard was a almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► direct rip of confabulate Aransas great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► product and when all these things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► believe me people were upset about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► developers were upset huge debates when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► and if you're not reading all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► blogs maybe you're not going to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► because but you'll even get a story on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► Mac worldcom order I don't know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► will go to the mainstream media maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► you'd see something I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► things Jeff reads but I'm trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► is that every time this happens there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► a big very big flare up and push back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► but since it's happened so many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► now we all kind of know how this goes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► doesn't mean people don't complain now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► the fact that marco was at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► resigned to it happening it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► reasons i think first is that he feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► like it's it may potentially still help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► his business just because it makes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► people aware that you might want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► a utility lets you read things later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► right after second is that he thinks he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► competitive advantage thing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► final thing is that he realizes having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► been in this community for a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► time now did screwing bloody Marty but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► does nothing and fighting it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► useful you know thing to do so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► like he's resigned and he's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► well Apple is the king and they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► do whatever they want it's more like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► knows that spending energy complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► about it is that that energy better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► spent improving his product and working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► on things like that now on the flip side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► many people pointed out that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► Microsoft did this all the time with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► windows from like stacker to things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► do extended memory to antivirus to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► you know you name it they constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► take you know Lotus 1-2-3 those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► really didn't like Excel board perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► guys really didn't like Word they made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► business on taking third party products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► that were popular folding them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► windows and driving the other guys out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► of business you know so and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► complain back then - it's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► windows developers laid anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► what can you do you know I mean I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► whatever and maybe got some money but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► you're if you're Lotus and you got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► two three and Excel comes along as all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► they're using secret API is like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► this is the constant tension between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► from owner and developers who work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► the platform it's nothing new in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► Apple world and every time it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► some people are upset some people defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► the platform owner and it just it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► of the same thing so I don't really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► especially with the Mac but we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► about iOS and second I don't really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► a big difference in terms of developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► acquiescing to the desires of Apple when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► it comes to Apple squishing third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► developers they're just kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► steamroller and people get steamrolled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► the people get steamrolled are not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► about it just like the people who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► steamrolled by Microsoft we're not happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► I look more like Jeff is expressing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► that this is a bummer when this happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► I think we can all agree on that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► you don't want to be that developer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► feel bad for those developers in fact in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► my Mac it was 10 review for a 10-point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► for Tiger I believe it was I had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► entire section talking about dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► where I made this snarky joke that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► I showed screenshots of the product of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► squish and I so sorry I I got mixed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► there actually this is dashboard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► confabulated I know they look identical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► you know I was upset about it enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► you know I didn't have any skin in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► game I didn't I was an investor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► either one of the companies or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► like that I just thought it was a rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► thing to do what it happens sure well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► think one thing that the factors in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► Orwellian like I remembered because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► went to the the official Apple comm page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► about what's new in iOS and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► reading because I actually wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► look at that and and I remembered seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► the reason this even came up was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► it explicitly mentioned Instapaper it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► like we have developed this reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► feature that's like your this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► popular app Instapaper and then I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► like why that's really weird that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► would call it out by name and mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► and you know all that stuff and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► went back because I was writing the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► entry about it and they had removed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► and it would just cease to exist like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► yeah that's not an appropriate mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► because you don't want to be helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► your competitor there but yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► there clearly they saw a third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► product it was very popular and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► said we should have a thing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► and they could either buy something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and I just did it themselves but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► thing I'm complaining about is they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► back and rewrote history like they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► it so they took out the name yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► took out was someone probably put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► that copy because they wanted to express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► to people you know here's why you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► like this may have heard of Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► but we have a feature like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► someone else came along and said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► for us to be main competitors they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► name any of their competitors really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► they don't like to put you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► just PR 101 I don't think it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► secret they just changed their copy they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► didn't just a copy all the time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► archived that are caught it them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► did but I don't you know it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► doesn't make it any more or less clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► that they're doing what insta vapor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► doesn't there are other products besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► instapaper that are instant paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► ripoffs as well it's not like Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► was the only entry in the field none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Apple came along well Kelsey gets them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► here and this is another sort of deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► problem with Apple in my opinion with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► regards to development stuff is they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► they're so secretive about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► magically happens and that's why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► leads to some of this attitude of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► know you can't necessarily fight it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► because a Apple will always win it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► their platform that's part of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► rules of the game and I get that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► it's not particularly amenable to this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► mean developers work best in open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► environments where there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► communication and you know there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► so much secrecy like on like example on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► Stack Overflow I'm constantly getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► people flagging stuff is like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► secret they can't talk about this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► know and I don't think they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► like whenever I see that I'm like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► dismiss it because hey I don't care and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► be I don't believe in it like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► think you can be secretive about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► API is you're going to release that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► counterproductive that actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► against the goal as a developer now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► realize again that there's there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► developers want when consumers want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► totally get that and I think buying into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► this culture that Apple has means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► bind the culture of the consumer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► always right and Apple is always right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► and and you just have to live with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► it's like being in a relationship with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► kind of a semi abusive spouse who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► basically can overrule you at a whim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► like there they will tolerate your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► opinion right but when it come push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► comes to shove like they get final say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► every time I'll see once again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► if you had been deeply embroiled in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► Apple community you would have seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► that ever since the release of iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► that SDK there has been a huge torrent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► of the negative feedback and negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► regarding the SDK and the very first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► was the fact that they had an NDA that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► prevented developers from even talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► to other developers who were also bound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► by the same NDA about the API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► developers push back on that like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► you know it doesn't make Apple any less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► of a dictator to say that there I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► benevolent so after yes after many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► months of people screaming bloody murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► I remember how long in the end that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► restriction on the end a was in effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► Apple reversed then said ok you can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► about the api's without the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► right but still you couldn't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► them in public you know so it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► matter of degrees the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► interpreters and that a bunch of game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► developers were like well we use you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► know Lua scripting or whatever in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► game engine and you're destroying our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► platform in fact 50 of the top best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► selling games you have on your store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► right now use the scripting engine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► here's this new restrictions as we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► use interpreters and it was aimed that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► believe was in flash and a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► other things but what got caught up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► it technically speaking we're a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► games that use scripting engines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► eventually Apple reversed that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► as well they reversed it because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► you know it's there is a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► there it's a strained relationship it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► a messed up relationship it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► open relationship it's a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► with a huge imbalance of power but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► Apple's secrecy about its api's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► stuff it's sometimes it's difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► think how does that help consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► obviously secrecy about products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► particularly hardware but even OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► releases and stuff like that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► make arguments for why that helps Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► that helps consumers in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► Osborne effect and not pronouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► things and not promising things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► can't deliver and all that and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► all that stuff but secrecy about the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► is like well we're protecting it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► competitors doesn't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► either how is that better for customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► and competitors can just get a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► account with Apple anyway so but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► in this interview there's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► basically the number one complaint that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► Apple the developers have about Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► bet if you surveyed them would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► communication between them secondarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► would be like oh and we can't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► this stuff publicly but even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► primarily is like we have problems as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► developers and we feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► talking to a black hole right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► develop Apple has great developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► relations people who some of whom were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► on Twitter and it's like if you become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► personal friends with them because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► meet them at WWDC then you can maybe get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► your particular thing looked at and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► stuff in there trying to help individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► employees are trying to help but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► culture is such that it doesn't foster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► open communication between the parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► now hold your response for a sec Jeff we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► get to do our first sponsor its brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► based payments company they provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► elegant tools for developers and White [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► Glove support they process like billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► of dollars in credit card transactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► every year and they're hiring they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► looking to find exceptional developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► with any level of experience they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► collaborative environment they do stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► like pair programming test-driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► programming though they focus on Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► they also have client libraries in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► different languages like node.js Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► and even Perl John the vista mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► they would hate rise on to make it known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► they will pay up to ten thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► if you recommend a developer that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► hire of course you should apply if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► you're interested you can find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► at Braintree payments calm these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► are great they do really the best job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► processing payments for you you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► check them out anyway just for that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► Braintree payments calm thanks very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► to them ranking show possible I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► do a little follow-up from someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► the chatroom I was pretty sure I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► this reverse to and they and I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► to assume they're correct and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► looked it up but the Watson name was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► derived from Sherlock because Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► iterations so Watson was a man there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► a Teta there was a different take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Sherlock on the next version of Sherlock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► came out that sort of subsumed Watson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► incestuous relationship and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► previously implied so I apologize for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► later I go ahead Jeff I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► about shame on you John yes I'm Sheena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► come on old man how could you make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► mistake yeah I think might be there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► like why does this even happen like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► doesn't even pass the sniff test for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► that developers can't talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► I mean this is crazy like how did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► even do like why is that you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► they're on day one right I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► will I think by reading the the the jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► bio you eventually get into like how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► internals of Apple work and you'll see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► think you'll be able to see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► comes to pass now I you know again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► wouldn't be great if you could get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► Apple person on say how the hell did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► come up with that decision because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► you would asked any developer like pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► a random developer and say do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► it's a good idea I think we should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► right you know really possible okay what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► so what you're saying guys we'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► with the beatings but then when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► complain enough yes we will maybe tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► down the beatings a lot but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► the thing is that I bet they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► a reason for why they thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► so the reason things like that happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► company like apples the same reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► that Apple does all these great things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► because Apple doesn't work like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► companies where things aren't sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► done by committee there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► individual initiative or at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► very small groups of people it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► more like a startup and see when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► one person in a position of power who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► has a really bad idea that bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► comes to pass whereas in another company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► that the edges would be filed off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► that wouldn't make it through like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► committee review process and there would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► have been debates about it that's those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► are the same things that make Apple able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► to do great things they also allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► really dumb things to sneak out maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► there's some really good reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► doing this that I can't think of but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► yeah and because it's like so bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► developers and so ridiculous and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► imagine that you know if I had to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► I would say the reason is well we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► to try to prevent competitors from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► getting an idea of how we're building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► the API B's when we build that one until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► the Macintosh API we brought Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► in and we want them to make applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► for us and they just constantly you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► you know they stole our whole API they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► said oh this is how you make a GUI API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► where we're going to make a Windows API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► it's very similar to us and use a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► the same concepts and they would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► know ask questions about the a bevel so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► if if we make the developers not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► to talk to each other then technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► speaking individual developers can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► talk to other individual developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► discuss how we've implemented Iowa John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► so so one thing that's crazy about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► is okay look at the PC industry they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► they're only now coming up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► credible MacBook Air thank you goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► no I know it's not I mean so like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► if you made it completely public it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► doesn't matter because you're dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► with people that are so incompetent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► they are so to say is like it's these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► are bad ideas because if you were if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► heard someone presenter this the idea to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► be like that's crazy it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► knowing how iOS works doesn't mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► can immediately make a copy of it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► that easy you know execution is not easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► just because you know what doing doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► mean you can do the same thing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► you're doing is is you know peeing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► the well you're screwing up your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1978">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► ecosystem but doing that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► makes me crazy about that is I I will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► to my death saying this Apple is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► the worst companies for developers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► really really is like well so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► there there's more to a how a company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► for developers than the things we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► been talking about so far right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► the market I mean ultimately that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► mean this is against it's not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► there's much more to that so I'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► you actually I want to go rewind way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► back to the beginning when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► talking about how Windows - windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► developer screw up the windows ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► but like having their app launched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► login because they're so super important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► they want their app to launch and login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► right now and how Microsoft is open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► permissive but then you get a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► these crap or apps to do this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► well ignoring iOS for now the Mac lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► you do that to any application can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► launch itself on login you can install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► an application and it can mmediately say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► I want to launch online it so why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► doesn't every single Mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► launch itself on login there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► technical policy any kind of reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► that shouldn't be just as big a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► on Mac OS but it isn't and the reason is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► cultural alright so you know what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► explanation for that this is where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► start getting into like an outpour some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► would say well the reason this isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► problem on the Mac is because Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► developers are better than Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► developers we're better people were more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► culture we know we wouldn't do that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► our users we respect our users more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► whatever right and the Windows person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► would say you know that that's not why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Mac developers are actually worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► Windows developers it's because Mac only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► has small companies developing for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► and big companies do this yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► know the reason but this you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► don't think it's even useful to debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► why that is but it's clear that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► policy set by the platform owner are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► experience and another example is those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► little menu bar icons I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► you use a Mac Rev as you've seen Joel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► uses Mac's or whatever but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► little icons on the menu bar Jeff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► go along the top there next to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► clock and a bunch of other stuff well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► applications can put little icons up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► that menu bar and back in the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► Mac OS days every application wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► have a cool little icon in the menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► right so it would be always be running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► you have your little thing for Timbuktu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► and now contact and all sorts these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► little programs that have a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► it's kind of like the booty call a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► in a the taskbar in Windows that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► tray area the tray yeah yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► like every single application wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► expansion things so that the tray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► doesn't take up ten miles and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► this war for the tray and everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► putting crap there the quick launch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► similar oh I think both of those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► gone in Windows 7 now but anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► classrooms will let you do that but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► classic Mac OS that bar was googly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► filled with stuff but it would not go as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► 10 Apple didn't come down and say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► not allowed to put menu icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► menu bar anymore what they did say was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► we would really prefer you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► defined cons in the menu bar and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► do put them there make the monochrome so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► they're not so so glaring right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► sure enough if you look at it a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► Mac today yeah it's got icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► menu bar nerds have lots of icons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► menu bar but since most of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► monochrome it's not as bad as it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► o'clock Oh classic Mac OS days so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► there's another difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► actually restricting someone from doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► something and just sort of setting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► tone right well sure and actually we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► a Rory Blythe on the podcast and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► a this is in reference to stack overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and stack he changed that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► should be dictatorial and and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► attitude towards this was like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► to be dictatorial otherwise people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► misbehave and actually this goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► when I was when I went the University of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► Virginia and I was a resident advisor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► my last year the sort of the older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► student lives on the hall with the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► year students one of the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► told us and actually did work was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► have to start out really strict with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► with the students that are coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► because if you don't basically their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► behavior deviates from the like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► start at a certain point that it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► gets much more permissive on their end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► so if you start really permissive then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► you end up extremely permissive at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► end but if you start off being really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► strict then you sort of get a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► actually I do agree with that I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► think that's a large part of the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► with the windows ecosystem is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► like anything goes you know but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► start out with hey we're going to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► know kind of jerks about this in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► ways that's what we do on Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► in Stack Exchange one of the reasons we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► get good content because we're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► strict about you can't have these random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► discussions about like what's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► favorite variable name you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► interesting you know so I'm down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► rules I'm absolutely not complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► about the fact that hey I don't like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► these rules and rules a restrictive man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► because we we have that discussion like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► every other week on Stack Overflow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► change like why are you heavily stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► rule fear and there are reasons for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► rules and I respect the reasons for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► rules and I think going back to what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► originally said it all totally comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► down to the culture which is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► we wouldn't do that to our users like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► that's that's the money quote here right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► is like the Apple culture teaches you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► the consumer comes first the user has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► come first in front of your needs maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► in front of apples needs although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2278">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► think sometimes that gets mixed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► you start serving apples needs but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► agree with the goal because you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► a user right like I'm an iPhone user and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► I don't want apps crashing my phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► don't want apps taking over my phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► you don't mind I'd like to go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► slightly different direction here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► one of the things that a Nathan Bowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► on Twitter who I follow has brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► multiple times as it he really prefers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► the the the iOS app version of websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► to the original website and the example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► he gave is eBay and I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► much use eBay but I use eBay actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► fair bit and the web site is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► horrific to use like they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► through many iterations and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► basically crap and I think what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► saying and maybe I want to see what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► think of this what happens is when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► when you push a giant website through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► three-inch screen it forces you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► simplify in other words you can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► all these dumb UI elements that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► don't work on the main website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► they're really confusing and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► also sort of a built-in standard set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► widgets in in iOS at least on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► I don't have an iPad that sort of forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► you to do things the same way rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► everybody invents their own stupid way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► of doing things you know because the UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► is kind of like well it's a web page I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► can do anything I want and now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► jQuery UI and I can have these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► other crazy UI elements that don't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► work like everything else and and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► see the value of that because when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► force a complicated kind of annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► website like eBay through the strainer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► of a three inch screen with a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► set of controls you do actually in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► ways get up with a better experience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► I don't think people have articulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► quite the right way it's not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► magical thing about the iPhone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► makes it work it's the it's the 3-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► screen combined with a really good set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► of standard widgets and you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► being jerks about having UI consistency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► I mean do you remember when there used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► to be OS style guides of like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► build an app you're supposed to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► certain style to your app or store the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► apples thaw Microsoft has one too I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► believe I mean everyone has one it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► and for what application I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► I'm su migrate that John the web killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► that because the web is whatever UI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► want it to be and the document still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► existing continues to be updated for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► desktop there is no style guide for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► web which is the point you just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► like there there's no one saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► what a website has to look like you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► it all you want but the iPhone is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► style guide for the web I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► that like when you when you push a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► website through a 3 inch screen all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► sudden you end up eating well it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► if you look at a lot of mobile websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► what they what they try to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► especially since the iPhone was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► first mobile device with the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► worth a damn so that's what people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► know made their mobile websites form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► what a lot of people tried to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► look like because was make them look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► like iOS apps right down to stealing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► graphics for the buttons and the scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► stuff and you know the ListView and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► that stuff just because you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► looks native right that's a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► at least a there's a standard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► that's what drives me crazy about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► web is that yeah it's a great hotbed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► innovation but it's all over the map in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► terms of UI like it's a major regression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► in terms of UI standards so I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► angle this guy's name here but I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► this at an event apart conference on web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► development a while back Luke Wroblewski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► sorry Luke nan you nailed it Wroblewski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► oh yeah gun so he does a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► called mobile first which is and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► sort of an advocacy presentation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► saying when you're designing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► website design the mobile website first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► and then if if you think it needs more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► enhance it for desktop use and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► very compelling case and it makes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► the same points that you just made is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► that if you if you try to make a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► the old-fashioned way again this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► conference for web designers who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► been making websites they say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► going to end up adding too much crap so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► if you make the mobile website first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► may realize that you know all we need on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► this page is the thing our eBay is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► example you know the thing to search the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► thing to make a bid to sing to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► description and the pictures and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► that other crap that's on that page is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► kind of just noise so make the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► website first and then make your browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► window bigger and load the mobile you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► know you're just design the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► website make your browser window bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► and say all right well some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► things don't are kind of ridiculous on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► the desktop maybe we could add some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► information here it's more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► there and then stop and you're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► I put it the link to it in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► this is an example of simplification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► being forced on the web by the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► when you have a three inch screen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► just you just can't put all that crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► that you can't have the big flashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► banner you don't have room for scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► bars and then there's no flash which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► a good thing I mean yeah as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► you know I'm ambivalent about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► apples policies but I loved the flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► policy because to me that was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► floppy drive of the web you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► like Apple saying you know what we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► like floppy drives no more floppy drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and there is what no more floppy drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► but if if you were hardcore techy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► made total sense you know uh and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► sort of putting their foot down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► saying what there will be no flash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► that's an example where you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► talked about like when you start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► mobile design you obviously can't flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► because it's not even supported on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► device yes but this is a net good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► humanity I would argue right like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► don't really need more flash so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► so - uh no before we do let me do our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► second we get to our second you pay some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► bills this is a good one to pay John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► you guys both should be thrilled about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► this but this for John serious I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► like he's been waiting his whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► for the sponsorship it's BBEdit leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► professional HTML and text editor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► the Mac from the folks at bare-bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► dot-com specially crafted responds to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► the needs of web authors such as John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► siracusa and software developers such as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► John siracusa this award-winning product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► searching and text manipulation let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► get a great interface with easy access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► to their best to class features from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► grep pattern matching search and replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► across multiple files project definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► tools and goes on and on is this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► for developers for coders for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► write code all day long and and want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► features that allow them to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► effectively that's what these guys offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► building websites anytime you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► type just launch BBEdit it doesn't suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► bare-bones calm thinking get in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► App Store go try it out today if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► not using it I've heard good things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► feel like I could have done that ad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► should have done that do you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► it I'm a will do - I'm a bi yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► know I can do a separate show about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► all windows editors all shredded no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► not ultra alright second read that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► the best editor they had going him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► know that's what so sad about it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► alright so actually I want to get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► to talking about ah the what but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► brings to you as a developer for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► on a platform Jeff mentioned before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► customers that doesn't hurt you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► what I mean right so it could be argued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► that the most important thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► developer is the platform own or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► its decision making process has made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► so lots of people own devices with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► platform and that broadens our base that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► you can sell into so that's why you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► argue that Microsoft was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► platform owner of the A's and 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► because they made the biggest platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► and if you wanted to sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► copies of software Windows was the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► to go because even if you sold a copy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► every single Mac user wouldn't be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► know as much as selling to a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► percentage of Windows users right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► but then pizzas are stopped paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► software yeah well that's a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► issue of like who is more likely to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► for software windows user vacuums but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► the other thing i want to say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► platform owners bring to you as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► developer we already talked about all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► the things that they're there against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► you with and they're annoying about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► bad communication and they're stomping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► on your your products and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► that but the other thing that they bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► I think that's usually overlooked is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► culture of the platform the culture that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► the platform want to bring so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► getting back to those icons in the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► bar and classic Mac OS the culture had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► gotten to the point such that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► single Mac application including many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► popular ones even though there was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► very few Mac developers and Mac market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► share was tiny and this was classic Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► OS days it was still getting kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► gunked up with the equivalent of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► stickers on the laptops you had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► little icons all over your menu bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► was out of hand and they were all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► you know everyone wanted a piece of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► real estate on the thing and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► wasn't good at managing that culturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► and it sure didn't you know didn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► didn't put a technical limit on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► and Mac os10 come out still no technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► limit you can put your icons in the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► bar and people did but what they what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► they did yeah the end say they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► please don't put many icons the menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► they had said that before to what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► did was say look look what a UI can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► trip out all this noise because Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► was kind of a reboot of the Mac UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► everything changed you know drop-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► menus from or less the same but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► windows the scroll bars the look of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► applications the way applications were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► designed the moving parts of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► everything about it you know said look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► what we can do when we strip down an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► application and the other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► the platform owner brings you is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2818">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► you make an application on that platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► developers love to be able to not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► to write a lot of code and get something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► cool-looking which which partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► explains the huge popularity of brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► metal I don't know if Mac if if Jeff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► into the Apple platform and knew much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► about it back then but there was a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► where there every single application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► that came up for the Mac had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► brushed metal look you know you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► in an iTunes now I don't to bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► Jeff favorite application iTunes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► yeah yeah Mac uses held by the way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► everything was brushed metal and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► like and did the credit developer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► the more they want to make everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► brush but why did developers want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► make things brush Mel because all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► had to do was take a check boxes said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► this window that I'm going to pop up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► the screen make it fresh metal and brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► metal was cool looking right that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► example of a negative influence but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► general Apple gave you standard controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► and when interface builder you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► would automatically snap to the metrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► they wanted and everything and you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► as examples their applications and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► horrendously ugly application than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► just simply use the standard controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► they gave you and and copy one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Apple's existing applications and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► same goes for the iPhone they made a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► of controls that was extremely limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► ridiculously limited especially with Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► developers coming over to iOS to like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► this is all I get these this set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► buttons in the set of views like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► wasn't as many you know there was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► wasn't as much stuff there was very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► elements and they said alright well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► going to look for the Apple application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► that's most like mine and I'll make mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► look sort of like that they led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► example by giving you controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► widgets and layouts and and bundled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► applications that look and behave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► certain way it I don't know if it shamed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► the developers into changing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► attitudes but it's like they're leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► by example that that and that makes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► more successful applications because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► developers will say all right well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► gonna if I had make this application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► completely in isolation it would be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► ugly piece of crap but now that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► seen everything that Apple's done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► the tool kits they're giving me to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► build stuff my thing can't help but end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► compare that to Windows where Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► was content to continue to ship really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► bundled applications for years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► be like Maps not broken you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► need to fix it and when they did change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► things they would do things in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► they weren't copyable by developers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► a I think office I believe is notorious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► for not using standard controls like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► there's what the windows UI looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► and is what the office UI looks like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► then people would try to copy all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► office UI by doing custom controls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► stuff like that and some of them would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► make it into the standard cool kits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► toolkit but that's that's not a good way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► to lead by example you know I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► well I think Apple is willing to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► with sort of its users and its customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► a little bit more than most companies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► think that that is actually healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► that's one part I like is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► really shouldn't view you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► classic adage the customer's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► right well I think the customer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► frequently very very wrong about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► they want to do and how they want it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► I think Apple isn't shy about saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► look you know we know what you want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► they I would say they get it right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► maybe 80 75 80 percent of the time which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► is good and the advantage of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► approach is it sort of gets rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Croft imagine if the customer was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► right you know that's how you get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► the classic example and I hate even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► commerce inside all right the Homer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► sentence car thank you there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► truth it let me give an example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► I've been spending a lot of time playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Battlefield 3 and one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► sources for Battlefield 3 information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► complicated game and not all of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► really documented um a lot of things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► can do it's kind of a sandbox kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► game play and on the the battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► reddit somebody was was the moaning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► state of the reddit because what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► is when when the reddit gets really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► reddit.com it's any topic and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► different reddit's for like politics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► you know all the stuff you took like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► the stack exchange network there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► there's you know gardening and bicycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► dedicated to battlefield 3 and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► complaining that all of a sudden with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► all the influx of people they're playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► battlefield 3 got very popular and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► customers you know the people using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► reddit we're kind of abusing the reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► like they were using it for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► what's called meme comics you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► and then you post in your little funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► thing and then people vote it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► it's amusing but it tends to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► dominate the the information that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► the site like you actually want to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► about how do I play this game how can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► play this game better you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► that's actually useful and the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► that the users think that they want is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► this hilarious meme comic stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► and other sort of negative patterns that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► the community gets into and the the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► sort of redress you have against this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► actually moderation that's the the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► that they were making with his thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► it's like every other reddit that's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► this problem the only way to fix it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► not say oh we must do what the customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► wants well the customer wants to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► these hilarious comics so they must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► no they're completely wrong like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► the attitude that drives me crazy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Apple is in some ways the antidote to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► that say look you don't actually want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► do what your customers are telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► to do and you don't actually want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► what your developers are telling you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► do this is sort of a what's the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► word here John a negotiation between I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► love I love how Stack Overflow is so has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► so altered your worldview like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► it's not maybe it's not as noticeable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► like but you know I feel like I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► living with you through this experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► is the very first Stack Overflow podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► and like you know this you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► this you you deal with exact same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► that go all the time and now you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► help but see other instances of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► phenomenon that you either as cautionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► tales or as things you've actually dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► with and stackoverflow again you're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► right that you know community that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► leading by example works in some context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► and not so much another so leading by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► example net reddit thread not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► but I would say that like this is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► going by Stack Overflow a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► Stack Overflow is kind of the shining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► star of the Stack Exchange Network and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► think it also has one of the strongest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► cultures of you know unfortunately it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► also has the highest traffic I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► to say Stack Overflow doesn't need as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► much moderation as other sides I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► needs way more just because the traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► load but particularly being the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► stack overflows participants they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► how it's supposed to work you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► I mean it just so happens that it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► has massive traffic so it's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► biggest moderation headache but compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► it to like a newly-born area 51 site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► where there's some people talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► cooking or something and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► know how this whole stack exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► engine works and everything that culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► is so much stronger on stackoverflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► because it's more established its older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► the people there know how it's supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► to work and if you want to be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► that system you will become part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► culture whereas on a random reddit page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► there's no real way to establish that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► culture although you do have hacker news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► is a better example because it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► smaller site and they did have a culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► of a different culture than reddit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► as hacker news has become more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► popular you see it sort of distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► descending into reddit madness now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► the religion aspect of this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► interesting because you do have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► the word culture keeps coming up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► think for good reason because it is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► like the original Stack Exchange model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► that the Joel was sort of putting forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► was that people would just pay money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► they get a Stack Exchange and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► reasons one of the biggest reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► actually in my opinion that didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► was the people starting these had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► idea what the proper culture was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► these Q&A sites and they got used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► really bizarre ways that didn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► work well with the engine because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► didn't understand sort of what the goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► were and a lot of what we do and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► thing that's really surprised me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► basically it's a culture indoctrination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► machine you know it's the software works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► a certain way you can you can pervert it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► probably shouldn't you know and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► there are other ways in which the engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► is actually evolving like as we get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► topics we have sort of we push out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► engine in different ways to accommodate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► these new the needs of these new topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► but you still have to stay on track like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► my classic example for this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► we're building a truck you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► can't turn a truck into a car you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► modify the truck you can get an extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► cab you can there's other truck like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► things you can do to a truck but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► can't say you know let's just cover up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► the back and then put seats in there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and they want to adjust a bus right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► you've kind of perverted the nature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► what the truck is at that point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► that's a lot of what we're doing at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► point is is in doctoring people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► truck culture saying you know hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► is a truck it's good at certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► it's not good at other things and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► okay right like and and one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► favorite Steve Jobs quotes is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► about you know saying no you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► learning how to build a feature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► ironically he said this about iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► which now is like the ultimate example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► of the opposite of this which is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► yes to everything and ending up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► massive kitchen cing bloat which is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► but originally when iTunes was launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► Steve Jobs said you know the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► build a product is not to is to say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► to everything except the most essential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► things and in sadly that got lost in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► iTunes but it is true as a general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► know truism as a way to build products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► as a way to build hardware and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► know acknowledging like we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► to do X you know at all it's just once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► that was a if Joel was here he would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► would do the Agni thing because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► what the situation with iTunes was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► ain't gonna need that jobs and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► philosophy as always you know ship early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► get the thing out but remove everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and only sort of demand page in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► features that you are going to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► don't assume oh we have to have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► a visualizer and a thing to print out CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► labels and all you know if people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► forget sorry I forget about tunes had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► visualizer and first version but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► stripped out a lot of the features from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► sound Jam which was a drug it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► derived from and then slowly added them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► back as sort of the reason or demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► came down the course then they kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► adding and made iTunes do many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► originally do which is a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► that tends to be their philosophy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► better not to guess what people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► going to need but just put in the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► you know make up the central core of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► product and you did the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► the Stack Exchange engine it didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► as many features as it has now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► didn't think oh well of course people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► are need to comment on questions to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► those weren't there it turned out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► eventually painfully it seemed like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► did need those comments too as sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► steam escape valve for activity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► would otherwise go in worst directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► right but you didn't add them from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► beginning you didn't make a giant thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► with every feature you'd ever seen on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► forum bolt and board piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► and everything so now we have a superset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► of all features of all competing forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► products you had a very very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► subset of the features and only the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► that you thought you needed right well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► think it's the bravery of walking up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► a gentle customer I mean in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► it's less clear because I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► paying us money we'd have the Careers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► product and saying look you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► should go elsewhere like we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► trying to be rude about this but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► you want there's a whole internet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► and I have to say this to people I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► like look there's a whole internet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► know and and we don't guarantee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► we're going to actually do what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► us to do we're going to guarantee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► we'll do a certain subset of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► but we get pushed back on this still all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► constantly coming in that see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► irony is they see that's working really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► well and then they realize they can ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► anything like you go on stackoverflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► right now and literally ask anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► get probably the best answer you'd find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► on the Internet I would guess because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► haven't said I'll get closes off topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► about three seconds later but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► answer right but but it worked like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► if you permitted that like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► eventually go in these really crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► directions and it was going in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► crazy directions you know that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► the things we had to correct for was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► that we didn't realize we had built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► world's best system for identifying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► most hilarious programmer cartoon in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► world yeah like we still have the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► surprised and in chime in with his sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► to lose you as a listener thing another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► another perfect example of that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► dance humorous reply to anyone who makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► a complaint about any of the shows is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► sorry to lose you as a listener and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► he's doing procedures the most at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► time but it's the same type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► that if people want a certain thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► a lot of people said to me I'd listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► your podcast but I really wish it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► communiques not that long and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► like stopping shows in the middle right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► let's just create that one a 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► podcast mine's not it you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► have to go elsewhere right I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► part of it a lot of the time when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► respond that way it's people to saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► that this is why your show sucks or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► your show suck or whatever it is and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and they're basically saying this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► it should be changed and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► it's not perfect for me it it that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► it sucks it's and it doesn't fill my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► particular need I so it if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► change it then you know I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► listen anymore as sort of mobile you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► know the podcast is Jeff said does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► whole internet out there this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► what you want is not like you no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► holding a gun to your head and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► you need to listen to our long podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► again when hour-long podcast don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► listen to them there are shorter ones go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► fun you know man I genuinely handle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► genuinely am sorry that they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► something that they liked and I do feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► bad but what they're basically saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► here's why I'm not going to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► anymore and and I do feel bad that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► don't like it but this is this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► it is and we're not necessarily going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► make that change and I'm there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► sort of painted into a corner I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► it's a selfish request I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► another thing that we ask on Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Changez when you're asking a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► you need to ask it in such a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► you pitch it like how can this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► be useful other people okay for you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► commute is 15 minutes right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► maybe there's this big audience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► people like if you want to build a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► for your position you need to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► clear that like wow there's look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► these people that have 15 minutes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► like like you got to sell it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► you got to build up support for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► question and extend like this isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► my problem this is the problem of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► people who listen to your podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► that's the difference between credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► criticism and one that's just oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► personal little pet peeve with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► thing is X I mean that that happens all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► the time on the Stack Exchange in Stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► Overflow Network and something again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► part of the culture it's like ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► question in such a way that you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► actually pitch it to other people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► will believe in your problems though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► have that problem too and or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► they could see how someone can have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► problem and not just you in your room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► you know building your one lab it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► how is this going to be helpful to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► world and that has to be that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► the overriding concern is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► you're asking a question you're asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► not just for yourself but on behalf of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► everyone that has that problem or has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► that criticism or has that concern in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► the world for the more people believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► that the better off you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► one more topic I want to touch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3673">TS</a>]
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01:01:16 ◼ ► very related to what we've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► about so recently in the Apple community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► enough Jeff is seeing these stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► filtering into his world people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► been talking about apples restriction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► for Mac applications that are sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► through the Mac App Store now mat all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► the Mac applications don't have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► sewn to the mac app so this is for Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3693">TS</a>]
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01:01:47 ◼ ► from being in a Mac App Store so as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► turns out most Mac developers now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► either the application only in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► App Store or in both because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► can't ignore that market you just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► too much money on it so when line was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► released actually before we saliste at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► the Worldwide Developers Conference they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► framework for your applications which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3725">TS</a>]
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01:02:08 ◼ ► framework they have for applications in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► iOS and I said so we would like your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► applications to be sandbox and here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► XYZ security that's not the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and oh by the way we're going to require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► by November that if you sell a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► it must be sandboxed and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► announced in June or something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► November seem like a long time away but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► developers knew the state was coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► I've been kind of panicking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► they're like my application can't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► with sandbox in the way it works or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► thing you're forbidding me from doing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► need to do for the functionality of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► application Apple was like well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► going to have temporary exclusions if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► you really need us to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► before you can fix your app will let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► your app do this thing but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► it's going to go away and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► temporary this is the main thing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► application does a great example is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3770">TS</a>]
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01:02:55 ◼ ► obviously shows a local view of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► local file system then you transfer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► files to your remote file system just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► typical file transfer app well having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► arbitrary view of the local file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► is forbidden by sandboxing well done can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► I can I make one observation there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► you it's like there shouldn't be a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► system I would say from a consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► perspective the error there is file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► oh yeah no division you see where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► see where Apple is going with this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► mean you don't have the total Asian it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► just look at iOS right yep right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► no so I mean it's clear what Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► doing and that's why most Mac users for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► like you know Oh sandboxing good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► security it's like it's like chroot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► the UNIX nerds or whatever it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► same thing exactly but you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► isolation is good it makes install and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► uninstall easier and stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► people have existing businesses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► existing applications that are having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► difficulty working with the madcap story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► so well I'll find well then don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► put your app in the Mac App Store well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► perspective it's it's a big hit not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► have your Mac at your app and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► App Store so the November first came and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► I believe on November 2nd Apple sent out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► an email to all its developers that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► we're extending into March or was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► it March chatroom can confirm edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► written down this data minutes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► believe this is we're extending it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► March 2012 so you have we have more time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► to work this out now this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► example of both the good and the bad of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► the developer relationship with Apple so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► Apple makes this announcement and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► June and developers go alright I'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► to start doing this and then as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► start implementing this you realize did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► they have entitlements like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► entitlements your application that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► needs to be able to is the network needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► to be able to use the camera needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► able to access you know X Y & Z they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► well there's no entitlement for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► thing in my application needs to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► it's not a frill it's like the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► application as Jeff pointed out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► there's the Metta argument of like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► if you sell an FTP app that's a dead end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► because really in the long run we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► shouldn't be looking at the file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► and FTP is archaic and bla bla bla bla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► but the bottom line is that if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► a well-known popular ftp app and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► makes you a lot of money and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► still need to use it you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► say well we can't we're getting at orcas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► and boxing so well forget it we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► going to have an AI to be a penny more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► right there's always the Windows app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► store yeah and so and this is true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► all sorts of applications and it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► matru from day one in the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► like a super-duper a great disk cloning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► application needs complete access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► disk and needs administrator access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► bussines to clone the entire disk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► applications that require administrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► access can't be in the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► period never have been allowed so super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► duper was never in the Mac App Store I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► probably never will be and now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► just ratcheting him down even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► alright so as developers are finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► these limitations they're complaining to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► Apple and the developers frustration is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► we just feel like we're checking our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► complaints over wall I filed a bug but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► there's going to be no response and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► do I do like if November first rolls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► around I still haven't heard back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► you does that mean my I have to gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► booted out of the App Store and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► stopped making money you know so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► lots of panic from the developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► this lack of communication is continual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► source of frustration and you could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► as a november date first date approached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► if you had tracked us on twitter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► number of angry upset or fearful tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► going back and forth between people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► known to be Apple engineers and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► individual Mac developers were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► ramping up to kind of a fever pitch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► getting kind of heated and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► and then the delay email came out uh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► the delay you know don't worry anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Apple working on this and the delay is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► an acknowledgement that if we just stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► to our November first date it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► well what do you even do here I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► this is just all trying to retrofit iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► onto OS X OS well you know it that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► Apple's trying to do is make what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► considers progress on the globe we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► would consider progress because uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► there's a lot been said about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► security argument in terms of oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► know if your application gets exploited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► but you know infected with malware I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► can't do any damage because they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► just write over every file on by your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► user right which is just what a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► Mac application you know so you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► confined just like an iOS app escape on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► an iOS app really can't just destroy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► entire system because it's very tightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► locked down I said well let's make at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► more tightly lock down at the very least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► than they are today right difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► really like that's a radical change of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► the contract I mean I don't disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► with it actually but I think for iOS it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► was understandable because a you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► dealing with platform that originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► had can you remember this 128 Meg's of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► memory that seems crazy now right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► was that I believe that was was at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► original minimum for Mac OS 10 someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► in the chatroom can look it up but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► those were yeah so those restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► made more sense plus it's your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► when your phone can't be rebooting while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► ridiculous like that but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► argument is much weaker on on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► OS 10 because you know this is a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► purpose operating system well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► implementation is week or two though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► it's not required it's not as even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► the most restrictive mode it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► restrictive as it is in iOS like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► has been trying to strike the balance if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► they understand you can't just take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► rules that apply in iOS and just BAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► apply them to Mac OS then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► have like oh yeah well it's optional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► it's optional and it's weaker and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► optional and weaker and you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► know they try to use the carrot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► stick I was staying in my line review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► that the carrot is your applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► will be easier to install and uninstall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► you will have fewer support problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► applications the things you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► to deal with that you do have to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► with when supporting a Mac user like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► they decide to move something as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► library folder or the excellent deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► something you put in the dot you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► because they have free rein to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► system you've seen people just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► don't know if this files let me delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► it my mother's great at that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► know what it was so I deleted it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► know and then you own those files so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► can do it but you just broke your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► application because of it right by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► way what it was 128 Meg's of RAM and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► required four gigs of hard disk space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► so they're trying to they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► give benefits to the customer that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► carrot you know users will like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► application better because look how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► consumers like the iOS apps they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► installing software for example the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► App Store was trying to bring that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► the Mac platform like people you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► they're not as fearful about installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► and installing they're more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► make purchases they're more likely to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Amazon one clear interest wait a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► is there really fear about the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► credible no no I say fear before the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► App Store like rebel with the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► the but why Titan like it doesn't is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► I don't know so the fear was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► if fewer people were inclined to install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► software because it was a scary process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► you had to download a thing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► download a disk image or a zip file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► you have to drag into your Applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► folder and this all sounds really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► but it is totally not easy that barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► between clicking a download link on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► you know a web page and getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► application installed at Windows has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► culture of installers involved in you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► got the saved document or run it and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► that stuff video in that if you've dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► with Windows support its difficulty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► people to click on the right button the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► three times to get the InstallShield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► wizard thing to run right but the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► always had the drag-and-drop install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4164">TS</a>]
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01:09:27 ◼ ► were a big step up over installers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4167">TS</a>]
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01:10:04 ◼ ► trying to give by by doing the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4204">TS</a>]
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01:10:37 ◼ ► closed devices that this is sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► new normal and that it's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4240">TS</a>]
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01:10:46 ◼ ► seeing here is is basically if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► under the subtext of this is that Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4247">TS</a>]
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01:10:58 ◼ ► directly where we're headed is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4258">TS</a>]
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01:11:03 ◼ ► will be an iPad this concept of general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► specialized extremely rare people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► not buy general-purpose computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4270">TS</a>]
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01:11:14 ◼ ► sort of a fixed number of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► will have an app store where you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4275">TS</a>]
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01:11:25 ◼ ► quote from you saying well existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► computers like Mac's are kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4287">TS</a>]
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01:11:31 ◼ ► heavy-duty truck most people just need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► sedan and that's iOS this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► that he said a d8 if I remember right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4295">TS</a>]
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01:11:39 ◼ ► we're going and iOS I was great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► it's like we don't have to imagine what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4301">TS</a>]
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01:11:45 ◼ ► a brand new platform with no legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► constraints and we can say this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4306">TS</a>]
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01:11:50 ◼ ► that all those things they thought would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► be good for consumers and good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► developers actually are when you make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► really easy to buy stuff people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► stuff that makes tons of money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► developers make tons of money for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► people love the device they buy it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► know how many people installed apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► their cell phones before iPhone came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4322">TS</a>]
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01:12:08 ◼ ► these legacy platforms they've got Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► OS 10 how do you get from there to here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► you don't just abandon it on day one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4331">TS</a>]
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01:12:15 ◼ ► Apple is trying to do but well I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► argue their crippling a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4337">TS</a>]
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01:12:21 ◼ ► this huge tension between the new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► in the old world like that other new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► world versus old world blog post that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► thought was very probably my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► blog post on the whole transition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► we're going to growing now was the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4349">TS</a>]
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01:12:35 ◼ ► operating system right John it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4355">TS</a>]
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01:12:38 ◼ ► Mac if you don't have the hardware but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4358">TS</a>]
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01:12:43 ◼ ► OS 10 that is completely going away uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► and I think right rightfully so for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► people that's just you know the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4368">TS</a>]
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01:12:53 ◼ ► going in the wrong direction like files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► is just a broken model for 99% of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► humanity so anything that involves a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► file system that's visible it's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► it's bad needs to go away and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► painful transition right this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► the argument that Jonathan Coulton makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► about being a parents like you die your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► old life dies you you stop living and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► you're reborn as something else and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► is not a comfortable process interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► that ice was ruining everything but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4395">TS</a>]
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01:13:22 ◼ ► Coke Pepsi thing one thing I worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► is you know we're heading to our console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4404">TS</a>]
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01:13:32 ◼ ► the same hardware it's ultimately a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► better experience as long as the pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► is kept reasonable and nobody gouges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► thoroughly and I do think it's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► unfortunately consoles are moving in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4420">TS</a>]
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01:13:44 ◼ ► game but you need a system update and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► download through these three patches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► there's some DLC and oh don't even talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► to me update my friggin apps right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► so you think try to plantation three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4431">TS</a>]
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01:13:58 ◼ ► doesn't block you from from telling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► app but I think right now I have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4440">TS</a>]
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01:14:04 ◼ ► crashed on laughs oh it keeps doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► like I go into the Updates tab and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► just crashes back out let's be a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4448">TS</a>]
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01:14:44 ◼ ► there's real credibility to this claim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4484">TS</a>]
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01:14:57 ◼ ► that I personally would say that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► at least as far as the MacBook line I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► not considering iOS that's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► different lineage but as far as the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► books and things like that go the switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► to x86 let them get pricing way way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► you know Apple is expensive is the mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4510">TS</a>]
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01:15:17 ◼ ► only paying at a small premium for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4517">TS</a>]
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01:15:24 ◼ ► so x86 transition was really big and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► the the sort of the the the other piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► is a well and I forgot where I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► with that the platform that no one owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► that's where you're going mmm the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4537">TS</a>]
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01:15:41 ◼ ► important you didn't need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► windows to get work done because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4543">TS</a>]
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01:15:45 ◼ ► nobody lost a thread that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► obvious doing but you're right like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► no longer tied to the crazy Windows app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► exe that does this crazy thing that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► business needs all the stuff your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► business needs is done through a browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► which can run on any machine really so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► inexpensive machine that's nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► designed right you know that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► play a huge premium for in it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► feels nice it's a nicely designed thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► they gave a crap about the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► for the consumer so I mean how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► really argue against that and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► that's a major factor in why Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► able to do as well as they're doing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► least on the MacBook side I did an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► earlier show I don't remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► episode was talking about one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► things that I saw is that the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► from the technology industry from caring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► about specs by being a bunch of nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► who cared about specs how many megahertz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► you know how many megabytes screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► resolution just how big is the disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► Industry and that the PC model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► hardware and software separate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► commodity hardware makers competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► fed into that perfectly so you just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► years and years of a new pc magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► coming out with a new chip that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► little bit faster and this computer has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► this much RAM this much hard disk space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► and this monitor for this amount of cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4618">TS</a>]
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01:17:03 ◼ ► was with the more mature industry the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4623">TS</a>]
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01:17:07 ◼ ► they have numbers too they have zero to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► 60 horsepower torque interior space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► mileage you know everything you know can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► crash worse in this everything about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► can you can boil cars down to numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► but car magazines because it's a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► mature market they don't just say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► because this car has the highest specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► so just do bar graphs find the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► specs average numbers together this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► the best car period that's not how car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► reviews are done even though they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► publish all those numbers it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► measurable as the computer world even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► more measurable in fact you can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► the many ways you can test cars but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► don't rate them that way they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► this car has more horsepower and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► faster but you know this car has a nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► engine sound or it's nicer to be in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► ability or just makes me feel nicer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► this car you know there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► intangibles that cars are compared on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► more mature criteria and the same goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► with the people buying cars people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► cars that are not the most horsepower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► you can get for the money they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► have the best knowledge for the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4678">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► they don't have the best interior space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► for the money and in fact that becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► even more so as you go up the scale like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► if you get some fancy sports car really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► bad interior space probably allows e-rod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► probably lousy mileage probably really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► noisy but it looks hot and it's fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► drive and how do you measure those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► things there's no numbers for those well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► so the PC industry has started is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► starting to mature and undergo that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► transition and that has helped Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► tremendously because they are poised to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► be the guide like we don't you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► when they were still getting murdered on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► price.i on specs because I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► there was a bunch of us who said yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► know that I can get a Pentium that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► twice as fast was twice as much memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► for half the price I know that but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► still going to buy this other thing why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► for reasons that don't show up on specs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► cheats so as as the computer the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► of technology has gone more into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► mainstream amateur it is a market like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► the car market people start shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► computers more like how they shop for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► cars and they weren't as afraid of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► like back in the 80s people like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4732">TS</a>]
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01:18:57 ◼ ► whatever is you know they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4737">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► know the lingo and they were afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4738">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► buying the wrong one tell me what to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4739">TS</a>]
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01:19:03 ◼ ► afraid I'm gonna get the wrong one did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► get a Tandy no I bought the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► oh no everyone's using Windows tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► what they get okay everyone get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► windows then get the most megahertz in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► bits and all you know and a transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► now to I'm gonna buy the blue one when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► the iMac comes out yeah the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► comes out but the blue one is so cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► and people say the same damn thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► cars right and they end up with cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► that are like you know a car nerd it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► like you didn't get the right car my car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► has more horsepower and across half as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► much and whatever you know their thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► is a truck buyer saying look good walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► and haul in the back of my truck I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► believe you bought that new Volkswagen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► Beetle you know cars are a mature market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► I think computers are now becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► mature market and an immature market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► like that you don't win by saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► have the rectangle containing the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► memory and the highest speed CPU and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► fastest bus you just don't win that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► is that's not how the market works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► that even more than the individuals like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► oh going to x86 that was necessary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► get on and even Hardware footing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► necessary for compatibility and be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► form the no knowledge the web I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► all that stuff was important but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► overriding transition has been from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► market that was dominated by fear and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► bunch of individuals a bunch of like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► know we should call them clerics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► monks or the people who were the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► whatever from that market of a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► nerds complain comparing specs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► amateur market where consumers choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► based on a whole host of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► Apple does benefiting tremendously from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► it because they've always been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► good at the things that don't show up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► spec sheets well I think it's a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► reasonable analogy but one one caveat I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► would make is that cars are the physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► of cars aren't really ever going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► change whereas we kind of rewrite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► rules on computers pretty regularly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4837">TS</a>]
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01:20:42 ◼ ► tilt the battle to save pinball I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► not yet saw my first well it's excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► I mean everybody should watch it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► you don't really care about pinball it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► just fascinating it's a story about an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► industry where basically there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► certain sea changes that happen industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► where a pimp where a pinball a class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► pinball machine will come out that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► all the old ones seem obsolete like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► just look at it you're like wow this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► the future like all the all the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► games seem like a waste of time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► kind of had this experience with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► battlefield 3 like because battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► is the engine is designed for the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► it's not a console to fight engine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► and it really does make older games seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► like ok this is clearly inferior like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► you can look at it and you can see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► wow this is like I'm actually there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► sound that the visuals it's dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► better than what came before in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► that makes the old stuff seem like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► waste of time and the problem they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► in the documentary they were transcribed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► was like how do you take pinball forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► you know in the 90s was for the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► golden era of pinball the early 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► where they sort of reach the pinnacle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► this hybrid of so mechanical some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► digital displays and a bunch of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► complex play fields it's like where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► you go from there I don't spoil the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► surprise because it's a really neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► story but they basically did it they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► it they came up with something that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► of reinvented pinball and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► the caveat to your story is yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► true within the same generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► pinball like you stopped looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► features and you start just comparing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► color and feel and fabric and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► iOS is a good example of reinventing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► game where they said you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► PC and Steve Jobs is said this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► times the PC battles over Microsoft 110 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► years ago you know an iPhone and iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► the reaction that's like well let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► reinvent the game and they call the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► phones were already mature market I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► would say that's a like an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► people never shop for their phones based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► on what CPU is in it because people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► been buying phones since before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► were portable and you know first you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► to get from AT&T but least you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► maybe pick the color but then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► you're shopping you know people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► other consumer electronic products that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► weren't pcs had similar components they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► had computers inside them but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► shop for their TV based on the megahertz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► of the image processor no one it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► not how it worked so when phones come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► along or rent the iPod is another great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► example when the mp3 player comes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► people care how much memory the iPod has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► Apple wouldn't even list it in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► specs same thing with the phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► don't they don't list how much RAM they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4977">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► wouldn't even tell you for the longest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► time they don't you know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► megahertz the CPU is not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► people never shopped for phones like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► that people never shot for Walkman like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► that so it didn't have anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► transition out of and again that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► tapley advantage if we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► compete on these stupid specs that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► think aren't that important we are free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► to excel in the areas where we excel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► the PC industry just happened to get off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► kind of like on the wrong foot and spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► a long time stuck in that that world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► specs but the phone you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► like it it's kind of all the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► like well the phone is replacing the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and stuff it's all it's all technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► it's all C we realize it's basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► same operating system underneath all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► them it's a UNIX kernel and it's mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► x basis and on darwin and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► business yeah it's very similar we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► that but from a consumers perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► even today when someone buys their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► they will they will never ask how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► RAM it has or what the CPU has unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► there are nerd but even today when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► regular layperson is shopping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► computers if you know they may ask how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► much memory it has that may come up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► the conversation because it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► factor and that has to do a lot to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► with like how memory is managed on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► systems and why it might be a factor but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► a lot of us just cultural like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► learned when I go shopping for a PC I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► should asked about these spec things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► less so than it has been in the past but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► we're still like coming out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► phase of PCs those dark ages I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► oversimplifying I think it's really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► to go back to your chronology if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► showed you a flying car and a car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► had wheels you wouldn't look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► say oh I needed to suspect you like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► clearly this is a different thing than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► massively underselling how often that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► happens like Syria would be example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► oh I can talk to my phone and set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► appointments right like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► capability that they're trying to expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► and popularize like the flying car right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► and that's the discrimination it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► completely artificial like Siri could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► run on the for right but they make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► actually but that's an example of again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► the flying car thing and I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► little disrespectful the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► industry say everything was always done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► in specs it was like oh my god VisiCalc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► I can actually do oh yeah there was yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► there was definitely that that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► thing of like the things leap frogging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► Internet is the biggest new feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► technically yeah an old computer could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► still do internet stop once the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► became along that was a diminishment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► what the specs mean because what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► really want to do with the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► connect to other people and that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► new capability and the spreadsheet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► same thing like well I don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► much memory this has I just know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► I'm buy an Apple 2 there's this thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► can put numbers on that automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► calculates them for me in real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► right there's new amazing thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► there's always gonna be some new amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► thing that you can do and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► exciting part of the industry to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► underselling how often that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► happens fairly well I mean the spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► thing is mostly getting as why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► that Apple is a player now and wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► player before a lot of it has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► them going into markets where specs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► never a factor but even on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► sure where the reason the Mac is out set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► increase of Mac sales is much higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► than the industry average for generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► pcs is because the PC industry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► finally finally coming out of that phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► where specs mean so much specs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► compatibility to things so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► can't get this because doesn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► Windows and I can't get this because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► would feel dumb because my friend tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► me that I can get a Pentium for half as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► much money well we have obscene amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► of power we have I think we reached the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► point in Moore's law where we have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► power than really anyone can use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► have for like I would say the last four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► years at least like someone made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► point in the chat room they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► horsepower not worrying about how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► horsepower had car had up is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► but now you the poorest where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► is as much as you feel like paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► and gas space could be answer and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► conceptually what's happening is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► things that require that much compute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► or getting near your reaching the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► the pyramid like people who do video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► rendering people who do hardcore ballad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► is always gaming and there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► gaming there's always gaming but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► that the console off' occation there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► certain standardization of you know xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► and ps3 specs are frankly really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► modern standards really but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► they still get by with it that's a five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► year old spec right it still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► works like battlefield 3 does scale down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► not if you get the texture pack you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► don't see it on a PC there's and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► how amazing I know did you see the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► they showed of what what battlefield 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► looks like without the the optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► texture pack that you can download and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► install it's really grim yeah exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► and again that's that's an extreme but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► even within let me give an example let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► me talk Nate say negative things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► myself like the PC gamer is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► rare beast now because who's gonna spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► $500 or you know let's say $200 be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► realistic on a video card to play this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► game like I will because I'm crazy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► but the average person probably not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► mean you're dealing with hot rodders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► right and the hot rodders are important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► they're they're relevant they drive some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► parts the industry but they're not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► most the money is made like in cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► right you don't sell you know a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► cars to hot rodders oh the analogy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► with the cars was that you know back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► my parents generation or my grandparents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► generation people loved to work on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► cars and clean up their carburetor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► themselves and stuff and then all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► mobile Mon today's cars which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► completely sealed and you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5277">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► special car computer to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► complicated with because you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► get in there it's not a machine you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► mess with with your hands it's become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► closed system it's like bolted down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► computer to adjust anything in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► just it's not open like it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► yeah the only thing I don't like about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► car analogy works and I'm happy to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► the chronology but one thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► like about it is we'll never get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► flying cars flying cars are never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► going to happen and in our lives time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► maybe none our children's lifetimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► probably I mean like an analogy flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► cars to reappoint cars well well my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► point is in computers we get into flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► and beyond like I think the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► can do are so much mean yeah it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► fancy because obviously a Turing machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► is much more mutable machine than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► rolling thing that transports people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► exactly is I think it it I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► get into like the culture of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► of what you shop based on not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► the attributes of the individual product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► so that the consoles are a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► because they are sort of going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► you had to get a new console generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► every couple of years just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► graphics could be so much better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► that was driving the industry and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► for a variety of reasons the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► generation of consoles seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► taking longer than the other ones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► because you know all these graphics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► good enough I hate that saying and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► think they're not but it's just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► return on investment in graphics is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► diminishing from when we were going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► a yellow Square and adventure to doom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► like that was that's a big selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► proposition and now you're like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► can look how awesome battle III looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► like I'm a B C and look how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► looks on your xbox but it's like yeah is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► it you know I'm happy playing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► Xbox I know I can stall on the PC you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► don't have to buy a new video card I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► have to you know I mean these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► reasonable valid arguments for yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► generation assuming all those companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► assuming Nintendo does not to switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► just selling software but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► generation of consoles that will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► all the benefits that consoles have but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► in the meantime I think that the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► gamers although they are a minority I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► don't know I have a hard time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► same way I have a hard time envisioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5398">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► the general-purpose computer ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► completely going away because it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► example developers will need it for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► probably about as small as it's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► going to get but that's the analogy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► want people to understand is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► you buy a MacBook Pro you're becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► like I know it doesn't seem that way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► in the new world that's emerging you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► a hot-rodder like them the MacBook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► the MacBook Pro don't really fit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► that reason they're the hot rods I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► it seems like the Mac Pro is and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► already that was a ridiculous machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► three years ago frankly like the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► now there's all these news articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► discontinuing the Mac Pro mics yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► you're you're reading Apple sites yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► I'm like finally like well it comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► on Twitter because we all we all want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► one more Mac Pro so in jinxes stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► i'm i whatever the next I want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► make one more so I can buy it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► we can talk about getting rid of it okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► because as you know it is a ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► machine but honestly the Mac Pros has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► been the Apple 3 of the lineup for since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► forever enough is it agreeing here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► great thing about the Mac Pro and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► reason people like me why the obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► these people who are professionals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► they needed for x y&z reason because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► they have these seven PCI Express cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► shoved in there and all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► reasons sorry but the reason I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► culmination of my dream computer it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► I can play Windows games in it I can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► a big hot video card in it I can install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► everything it runs Windows natively runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► Mac natively it's really fast it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► lot of room it's got a big video card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► confluence of events where you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► one machine that does everything for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► that it's you know you're not cut out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► the world of PC gaming because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► just boot into Windows right you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► use the Mac operating system that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► expandable and user serviceable and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► could open some up it is the it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► dream machine and if and when the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► Pro finally goes away that will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► end of the dream machine because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► can't you know it's like well what do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► for me it's like what do I do for gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► that oh well you know you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► connect something with Thunderbolt but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► you can't connect to gaming GPU with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► Thunderbolt because you know 16 X or 8 X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► Thunderbolt so what do I do then do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► have to buy separate gaming PC and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► have a cute little Mac that I use I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► back to the old ugly way obviously I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► in the vast majority of people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► world which is why the Mac Pros days are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► probably numbered but it will be sad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► me when it it finally goes away and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► lot of people you know you you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► have any Mac's at home at all do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► Jeff you just got pcs the iPhone does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► that right so you've that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► losing anything because you were never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► Mac user to begin with you're an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► user but you never like boy when I do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► daily work I would rather be using a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► right and you're like you've never got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► to that because if you had they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► taking that away from you I mean I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► super sympathetic this because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► that the fact that Apple treats their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► hardware's a dongle to install the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► like I think for guys like you who need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► commodity hardware which is what it is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► think it was a beautiful machine I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► to I want to give Apple their props like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► Apple does a beautiful job of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► designing stuff and thinking it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► and if you look at the Mac Pro it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► really well designed machine but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► idea that you can only install OS 10 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► you know approved hardware is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► ridiculous I know you don't like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► I mean you know the advantages are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► it may rub you the wrong way but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► you the advantages are obvious in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► of how they well you could just install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► a hacked operating system that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► you really should do I know but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► can't Apple doesn't have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► that Apple has not to support every kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► Under the Sun they can't they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► enough trouble believe me they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► enough trouble just supporting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► hardware they distribute if they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► support the entire range of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► they don't want to be in the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► they want it they want it it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► saying if you get IOS to run on any cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► no same same exact thing with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► middle you said you wanted expandability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► all the stuff that really died with Waze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► right when Waze was no longer part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► the company doesn't matter bro is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► head is humongous is you could fit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► little village inside there you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► acknowledges I know that's that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► to be sad for me because that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► be the end of my one dream machine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► does everything and it--and and in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► respects is kind of ironic that I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► Microsoft is so promiscuous Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► says yeah but we're on Windows than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► anything a Mac Pro makes for a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► fast really good Windows machine may all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► Macs do if you want to buy Mac hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► because you like the hardware it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► exactly the screen size you want exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► the capacity and the port's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► want but you don't like Mac os10 run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► windows onto the runs it runs really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► well they're nice pcs right and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► dreaming is that last thing that we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► to wrench away from pcs it means that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► have to run Windows and it's nice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► I'm able to because when Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► not like a bonus regard but if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► the right hardware if you buy from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► very constrained list of hardware you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► using the same hardware's apples using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► and then I don't know the state of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► hackintosh like how difficult it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► done but that's you know I'm an old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► I don't deal with those hassles I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► want to figure out exactly the parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► that have to and Apple does have custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► boards like they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► doing off-the-shelf parts from Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► manufacturers they are making em it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► not they're using all the same chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► everything but every once in a while is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► one you know that this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► combination of i/o controllers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► interfaces and and you know chips and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► really doesn't exist anywhere outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► Apple and you know dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► hackintosh means I can probably get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► work the next time is the system update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5697">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► I got to react it it's just it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► kind of hassle that I'm that into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► overclocking I would never do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► overclocking thing that you do but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► what you're doing it you're you are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► like a hot-rodder than anyone buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► Mac Pro because you were literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► hot-rodding your machine it's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► enough the way it is you're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► well I can overclock the bus a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► bit and then put two video cards in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► something that you know for to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► battlefield example give me the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► single card single slot GPU that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► buy and sticking and I don't want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► sli I don't want the double GPU thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► because it's too hot but I'll be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► you know the best single car double GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► single slot thing that I can put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5736">TS</a>]
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01:35:42 ◼ ► weird place right now I mean ever see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5742">TS</a>]
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01:35:44 ◼ ► know I again I ever totally recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► that this doesn't does not sway Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► any way nor should it because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► business is much bigger than you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► it's just set that's why people are sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► about the Mac Pro because it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► confluence events but you could run you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► had Unix yeah yeah UNIX and Mac was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► combined in Mac OS 10 and that was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► for people who loved UNIX like me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► and then to get Windows on top of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► and games on top of that get everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► with one box so please Apple one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► Mac Pro I'll buy it it'll say he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► serve me for like four more years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► especially if I swap out GPUs and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► you can do whatever you want sounds fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► well hopefully they'll do that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► know I mean again secrecy right so who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► knows what they're gonna do yeah rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► you know it the worst case scenario they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► cancel it I can get a new one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► mine that new mine several years old I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► can get a new one for cheaper for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► can the line right put it next to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5787">TS</a>]
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01:36:49 ◼ ► thought I could have a better argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► with Jeff in person because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5811">TS</a>]
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01:37:33 ◼ ► not lying to you yes indeed 27,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5853">TS</a>]
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01:37:38 ◼ ► a scab unto but that one has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► artificial than this to it because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5860">TS</a>]
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01:38:00 ◼ ► should check out i have this in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► notes we get a lot of uh i've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► adding links to the show notes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5883">TS</a>]
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01:38:24 ◼ ► little tidbits and things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► mentioned we try to grab them all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5905">TS</a>]
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01:38:29 ◼ ► were talking about and really that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5909">TS</a>]
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01:38:35 ◼ ► know and and if you are by any chance a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► programmer listening to the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► wishing I were talking about more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► programming topics but you are not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► Stack Overflow comm I don't know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5922">TS</a>]
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01:39:00 ◼ ► need to be using Stack Overflow if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5940">TS</a>]
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01:39:09 ◼ ► I was episode 38 back at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► this year so Jeff thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpkLoajg/5951">TS</a>]