Hypercritical

00:00:04 ◼   ► you're listening to hypercritical weekly [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► talkshow ruminating on exactly what is [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► wrong in the world of Apple related [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be utterly [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► destroyed by my co-host John siracusa [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I'm Dan benjamin today is october 21st [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► 2011 this is episode number 39 we would [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► like to say a quick thank you to our [TS]

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00:00:44 ◼   ► are you doing John just fine how's your [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► week been same as always [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► same as always productive productive at [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► work oh yeah well this is a good show [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► that's what you do a talk show [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that's a talk show line you guys switch [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► modes you're in hyper critical mode well [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► you're not talking I'm getting ready [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► oh you know what you know what happened [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► ladies and gentlemen is that I was [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► actually on time today I actually I was [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► sitting here waiting for you to call and [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► exactly noon uh John's phone rang and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► he's just so not used to us running [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► ahead of schedule a TV shows actually [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► 12:01 according to now I right here on [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► this on this skype box I can tell you [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► right here is it synched with time [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► that'll calm three minutes and 20 [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► seconds we've been recording so one [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► quite 11:01 yet alright or 12:01 in your [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► time alright so we ready now I'm ready [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► recording it's already started man yeah [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► you usually do the intro I already [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► required you recorded it but you didn't [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► tell me I was so ready for you this time [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► I'm like got all my ducks in a row this [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► time John's not gonna know what happened [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I switched back to show bot that I mean [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► to look at titles for faith show and [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► everything I'm not editing any of this [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► out either right marker [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► for those who don't know what we're [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► talking about you can listen to episode [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► 5 of geek Friday on 5x5 and you'll know [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you'll know everything in their haste [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► look I cross promoted the show there you [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► go boo synergy alright follow up follow [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► up all from last week the first item of [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► follow up at the very beginning of last [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► show and a similar type of tangential [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► not really related to anything segment [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► although I think it was spawned by you I [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► remember how it came up anyway we were [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► talking about flu shots and stuff and I [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► got a couple complaints about that and [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► one listener in particular was very [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► angry about that segment of the show you [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► had asked me we talked about flu shots [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► or our kids are getting them or whatever [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► and you'd asked me if you thought it was [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► worthwhile and I started pondering and [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► thinking out loud like oh no well I used [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► to not get flu shots and now I do but I [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► get colds all the time and I was saying [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you don't get pretentious yeah I'm cold [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and while I'm talking out loud you're [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► you kept asking me about whether I [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► thought flu shots were rented the cold [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► and I was just ignoring you I was having [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► moved on to the next segment and and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► then this particular listener was saying [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► are you trying to say that the flu shot [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► prevents a cold [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► no I did two of us were talking past [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► each other in that segment and it wasn't [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► clear to me during the segment when I'm [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► back and went back and listened to it [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► you could see how someone might get that [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► impression so I got that same impression [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► right and I didn't understand what you [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► were asking about because like what now [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► so what I was talking about was it is [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► the flu shot worthwhile I was thinking [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► like overall does the winter season do I [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► feel better or worse during the winter [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► season when they get a flu shot or not [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► and what I was getting at was regardless [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► whether or not I get a flu shot in other [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► words regardless of whether or not I get [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the flu this season is dominated for me [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► by a series of annoying Colts which is [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► entirely different family of viruses and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► as long as did with the flu shot and so [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► I said well when I didn't get the flu [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► shot I felt miserable the whole winter [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► and when I did get it I felt miserable [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the whole winter so maybe the flu shot [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► is protecting me from getting the flu [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► but I felt like the flu was not the [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► dominant factor in my happiness during [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► cold and flu season so that's what I was [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► getting at so if people who are confused [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► the flu shot does not protect you from a [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► cold and I also said that it practicum [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► one particular strain of flu would [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► actually that [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► apparently put several different strains [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► in the flu shot some people said three [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► some people said five some of the chat [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► rooms saying ooh felt better because you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► didn't get the flu I don't know I used [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► to not get the flu shot ever and did I [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► get a flu during those times at people [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► so if you got the flu you wouldn't know [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► it maybe I just never got it maybe I'm [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► not susceptible to it maybe my colds are [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► very bad and I have difficulty [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► differentiating the symptoms I was just [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► comparing like before the time when I [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► used to get flu shots because I never [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► got them before I kids once you get kids [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► you kind of get into that flu shot cycle [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► where the kids are getting him and you [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► might as well get them too and [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► everything so anyway I just wanted to [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► clarify that point so everyone is clear [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► on the the efficacy of the flu shot I've [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► heard that if you if you don't get a lot [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► of colds if you only get one over a year [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► or two that it'll be way worse than if [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► you get them a lot good because I get [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► calls constantly and the symptoms are [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► very similar to flu symptoms it depends [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► on what age you are and everything so if [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► you go to a doctor they're not gonna [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► know they're not the same well I don't [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► know so you're right there some that are [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► all specific to the flu like it but if [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► you have the flu you feel like you got [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► run over by a truck instantaneously yeah [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► well it depends different people have [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► different effects like something gets a [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► body aches and you just feel like you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► can't get up some people children in [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► particular can get nauseated and [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► vomiting and everything I get what [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► usually doesn't happen with the cold you [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► know call it here's how you know cold [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► always starts with a sore throat dun dun [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► see I don't sometimes my colds last [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► winter I didn't I just had the post [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► nasal drip thing which is part of the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► cold symptoms because I think those [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► viruses take root in your nasal I'm [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► talking about things I shouldn't be [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► talked about but anyway yeah the sore [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► throat you're feeling is not like strep [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► throat is an actual sore throat where [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► that infects that region of your throat [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► but this the post nasal drip thing is [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► where you're getting a cold and it's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► making your throat feel sore because [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that anyway I don't want talk about [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► germs right well I mean you and again [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► you also are susceptible to [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► techno-organic viruses most of us are [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► not so so what else has been going on [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► one other fog yeah so Star Wars blue [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► rays next topic how did you get these I [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► mentioned a couple shows ago that I was [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► debating about whether was gonna get [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► them and I said I probably would because [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► I wanted to see the special features and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► I wanted to have a high-definition [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► version of Empire Strikes Back because [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► it was the least adulterated of the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► special edition films and it is also my [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► favorite even though they messed up the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► color balance and a few other things [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► like well this they didn't change the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► content in Annoying ways and a figure be [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► worth having and I had to buy the stupid [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► set that had all of the movies including [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the prequels in it just because the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► special features are not included in the [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► original trilogy only set which was [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► really annoying so that I think last [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► week I was complaining about the special [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► features that they put it in a little [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► window frame and had the surrounding [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► stuff and that was annoying and I'm [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► still going through the special features [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► this is just from watching these these [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► special features of the thing I still [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► can actually watch any actual movies and [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► during the special feature segments [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► they're talking about like the making of [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► Empire or stuff like that and they were [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► show segments from Empire Strikes Back [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► but they would show the high-definition [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► version so here I am getting tiny little [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► snippets of the new high-definition [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► version of Empire still having not [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► watched it and they would show a snippet [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► like they'd be talking about the Hoth [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► battle she scene and they would show up [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► a two-second clip from the hoff battle [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► scene while someone talks over it and [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► they showed it to second clip I'm like [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► wait a second what is that gun turret [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► doing there like there was a new gun you [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► know though the originate so many times [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► that even something as subtle as just a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► small gun turret in the background is [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► Right problematic I shouldn't be there [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and I rewound it I looked at it again [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► and it looked like they added a CG gun [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► turret to this particular scene with [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► like a little animation where it's like [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► rotating or something and and then they [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► showed another scene with like a bounty [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► hunter scene and they were talking about [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► how Boba Fett and how that character [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► came to be and stuff like that and they [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► show Boba Fett and showed one of his [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► scenes and and he says he's no good to [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► me dead [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► and it wasn't Boba Fett's voice it was a [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► stupid Jango Fett's voice someone from [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the chat room tell me whether the Jango [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► Fett actor is from New Zealand or [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► Australia I'm sorry that I can't tell a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► difference so they change Boba Fett's [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► voice to be the Jango Fett voice which [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► is horrible and they added a bunch of [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► stuff and then they were showing some [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► other scenes but just a DAT Walker's [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► moving and stuff in the the sides of the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► a DAT and other metal grey metal things [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► look like they had a bad Photoshop D [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► speckle filter applied to them like they [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► look too smooth and I said did they did [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► they redo all the ads and CG and replace [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► them do they just do they just put new [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► textures on the outside of them and like [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► rotoscope it [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► they just apply some sort of filter it [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► just looked off so apparently the last [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► time I've seen the last time I saw and [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► Bryce Trackbacks must have been these [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► special editions on VHS or something [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► like last time I saw the special edition [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► version yeah I don't think this stuff [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► was in those special editions certainly [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► it wasn't high-def and I don't think the [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► extra gun turret was there and certainly [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► they didn't add the Jango Fett voice [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► because that those movies hadn't been [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► made at the time I watched it so they [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► are further adulterating Empire Strikes [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► Back maybe that was already like the [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► DVDs to I don't know but this is very [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► upsetting and so I'm even more glad that [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► I got hold of the over those things [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► called the despecialized edition which [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► are 720p versions of the movies that are [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► trying to be as faithful as possible to [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► the original obviously the originals [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► were only available in standard def at [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► this time right so they had take [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► standard def and they tried to clean it [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► up and blown up to 720p it's a little [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► bit fuzzy it certainly doesn't look [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► high-def it's not as crisp as these [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► blu-rays are but everything looks the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► right way the Darth Baras lightsabers [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► pink both has voices the right way and [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► there are no weird CG things added where [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► they don't need to be so kind of [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► disappointing I'm speaking of this [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► appointment front apparently the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► documentary movie which I wanted to see [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► forever which was only shown at film [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► festivals maybe last year maybe was the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► year before that maybe I've been waiting [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► for two years it seems like a long time [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► but this movie is called the people [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► versus George Lucas and it's a [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► documentary about exactly what it sounds [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► like it's about alright someone goes [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► around with the camera crew and talks to [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► geeks and other people who are angry at [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► George Lucas I'm like this this movie [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► was made for me why can't I see it [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► couldn't find it anywhere wasn't [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► available netflix couldn't buy it on DVD [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► couldn't get it was only in the film [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► festival circuit so finally it is coming [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► out on DVD I think this week so you can [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► go to amazon.com I should put a link in [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the show notes to the People vs George [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► Lucas I haven't seen it yet but I assume [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► I will enjoy it one more bit here last [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► show we talked about the TiVo premiere [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► Elite his new series for upgrade of TiVo [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► and upgrade to the series for TiVo [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► architecture and I was quoting from an [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► article that I'd found [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► linked to a forum post and I had looked [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► at both of those things but I hadn't [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► done was paged through the entire forum [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► thread apparently the article is written [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► based on the first page or so of the [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► forum thread but if you keep paging [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► through it [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► there are many Corrections offered so in [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► last week's show I said that the the new [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► TiVo premiere elite comes to double the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► RAM of the previous version apparently [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► it does not the people in the forum [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► thread got confused about megabits [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► versus megabytes or gigabytes versus [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► gigabytes when looking at the part [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► numbers on the RAM so apparently it has [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the same amount of RAM as the other one [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and I think it also still has the same [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► CPU and everything so I was trying to [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► find an explanation of why why it's so [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► much faster from the people's reports [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► that they use the menus and the menus [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► feel faster and it is running a newer [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► version of the software and supposedly [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► is compiled with the newer version of [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the compiler but there's still the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► outstanding question is is the tebow [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► premier elite faster because the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► hardware is faster or is it just faster [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► because it has a new version of the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► software and there's no definitive [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► answer to that yet so I'm curious like [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► if you wait a year dip will the regular [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► TiVo premier get the new version of the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► software and it will be speedy or - I [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► don't know I was and I was further [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► frustrated by the fact that the tebow [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► premier elite still has no built-in [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► Wi-Fi what century is this they're [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► they're giving you a box that they said [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► they want they want you to buy their [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► their third-party thing yes say it's [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► like sixty bucks or whatever I don't [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► just build it in but they took out the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► over-the-air HD support the TiVo premier [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► used to be able to decode over-the-air [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► HD signals and record them and [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► everything so they took out all those [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► supporting chips put in a Wi-Fi chip [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► it's got cost two bucks stick it in [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► there please it's it's ridiculous so [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► yeah you have to stuff to buy the dongle [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► so I'm still taking a wait-and-see [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► attitude with the Premier elite I'll let [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► it stew for a little longer before I [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► consider buying one and shifting things [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► around in my house yeah and finally Siri [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► we talked a lot about Syria in the past [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► few episodes and we got a lot of [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► feedback on that did you put these in [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► the show notes or dude I don't even [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► remember any but I think I put that one [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► in there there's a bunch of Siri links [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► there is a one for how Siri works which [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► is kind of inappropriate name is that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► someone speculating about how it works [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► in terms of how the different components [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► work you don't write [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► get recognized you speak sends it off to [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► a server somewhere after it's translated [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► in as natural language processing but I [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► think it's mostly speculative there's a [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► good blog post from Kieran he really [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► sorry from angling your name Kieran [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► Healy in our chat room about Syrian [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► practice what Siri is like for him to [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► use and it goes through a whole bunch of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► situations where stuff that you would [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► think stuff the mumps some people might [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► think would work ends up not working so [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► for example I have to use the exact [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► wording from these examples here because [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► it sounds too vague if you don't so if [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► you make let's see let's find a good [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► example if you make a calendar entry [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► that says Kieran volunteers at school [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► right that's that's the name of your [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► thing your entry in the calendar and if [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► you ask Siri when do I volunteer at [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► school it has no idea what you're [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► talking about if you ask it when does [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► Kieran volunteer at school no idea [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► they're just as Google searches for like [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► I found eleven schools nearby all right [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► if you say when is Kieran volunteers at [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► school which sounds unnatural but [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► apparently that's the phrasing that it [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► wants then it will find it and it's a [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► similar example if you make an [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► appointment that just says dentist which [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► is very similar to the appointments I [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► tried to make my things on my calendar [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► is like one word launch but you know 2 [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► p.m. dentist right if you have a dentist [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► you can't say when is my dentist [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► appointment it won't find that and I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► guess even worse in this example his one [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► that says when does lorry traveled to [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► New York right if you have an event [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► called travel to New York it doesn't [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► doesn't find it so you say when do I [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► travel to New York still isn't find it [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► when do I go to New York no good even in [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► this case when you say when is travel to [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► New York which is exactly the the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► construction that worked before man it [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► still doesn't work it's a Google search [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► all these examples would work with a [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► human right because at the context of [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► say look is there any events anywhere [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► and the near future that anything to do [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► with New York like a human would figure [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► it out but Siri does not and the fact [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► that Siri does so well in so many other [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► contexts can make even people who [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► and that it's not actually real AI [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► expectations these things working and if [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► you if you end up having to say those [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► four different phrasings [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► and doesn't work all those times that's [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► when you start to question like I'm [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► actually being more efficient or numb [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and now am I playing a game by playing a [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► game with this Siri thing but don't you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► think John that it's just a matter of [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► time before the refinements and [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► enhancements of that get better I mean [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► right now we're starting with something [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► that's you know very very new [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► I won't don't you expect it whether it's [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► six months or a year from now two years [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► from now that little little things like [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► the way that you phrase it won't won't [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► they figure that out won't they update [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► it won't they make sure in five to ten [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► years is nothing to ten is that you're [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► saying I always tell you fine again no [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► whenever you ask any question about AI [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► they say yeah in five to ten years we'll [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► have a statistical and they've been [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► saying that since 1972 [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► all right well see what I think Siri is [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► more like as game development so in game [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► development you have a lot of similar [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► situations or you want to have enemies [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► in a game exhibiting intelligent [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► behavior and providing you with the good [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► with a good battle and with the advent [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► of multiplayer gaming in the past two [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► decades this has become less important [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► but it's still there the pathfinding how [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► they work as a group how they react to [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► your actions the way game developers do [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► it is they cheat [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► that's what game development is all [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► about it's like moviemaking you have to [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► you have to cheat you have to do [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► something that's actually really very [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► simple especially in game development [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► you have very little cpu resources and [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► stuff to spare because you're using it [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► on all the other stuff that you're doing [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► so you can't do some sort of deep [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► academic AI that thinks for 20 seconds [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► you have like 160 milliseconds to make [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► all your AI decisions for all your [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► enemies on the screen or whatever they [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► come up with heuristics and things that [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► are not easy for you as the player to [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► figure out what's going on but that make [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► the enemies appear to be like a little [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► bit more intelligent and that's what [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► series got to end up doing because [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► that's the actual solution solving the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► real problem like actually making [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► something that understands what you're [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► talking about is way way way harder than [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► anything that's going to happen probably [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► in our lifetimes it's the problem that [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► have been worked on academia for all of [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► our lives and will continue long after [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► we're gone and it's really really hard [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► but you can make something that use [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► you know cheats and hacks and other [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► things that are not that nothing to do [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► with the way the human thinks or and [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► really don't exhibit any sort of [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► understanding in our sense but they give [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► you the right answer Watson is a great [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► example that Watson has no idea what [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► that it's doing doesn't have any [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► awareness of you know it's a bunch of [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► really smart heuristics that happens to [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► win the game of Jeopardy right but if [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► you pose just an arbitrary question to [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Watson or if you replace Siri with [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► Watson it would probably do better [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► because Watson has way more computing [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► resources but it would probably be [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► slower because Watson is a little bit [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► slower than Syria I think but those type [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► of hacks and cheats where we're not [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► trying to make something that's [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► intelligent we're not trying to make [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► something that's even as smart as a [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► cockroach like we're not we're not doing [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► that we're trying to make something that [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► performs the function that we want Siri [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► to perform in a way that seems amazing [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► but may have nothing to do with the way [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► human would form the same task and [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► that's how I think Siri will advance [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► it's not as if like well in a few years [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► they'll figure it out in Siri will be [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► awesome and it'll be able to understand [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► us no but in a few years they'll make [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► their AI better in the same way the game [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► AI has gotten better in the same period [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► of time because they have similar [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► resource constraints you don't have like [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► a giant supercomputer dedicated you you [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► need your answer right now and they have [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► a similarly narrowly defined set of [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► things they need to do doesn't need to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► be a general purpose thing it you know [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► has to know about reminders and events [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► and the few things that exist in the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► world of the phone and the things you [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► can do with phone just like Watson just [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► doesn't know about Jeopardy questions [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► right now Watson doesn't need to solve [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► calculus problems if you pose a calculus [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► problem - it will not give you the [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► answer because that's not Jeopardy [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► questions never ask things like that so [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► I think Siri will get better but there [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► was another link in the show notes I [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► think I put this one in here from the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► formerly not lead iPhone developer of [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► the standalone Syria application back [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► when and it was an app because I guess [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► before Apple bought them and one of the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► headings of his article is how Siri is [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► not really it's called it's not really [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► AI as a heading of a section where he's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► backing up my point of view and my [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► particular definition of AI where when [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► he says it's not really AI he means the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► same things I do it's not AI the way [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► science fiction thinks of AI as and it's [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► really intelligent it's artificial and [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► it's trying to be intelligent but it's [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► not AI a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► so with all the people telling me oh of [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► course it's artificial intelligence is [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► artificial and is trying to be [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► intelligent that's not the definition [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that you're using it's also not the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► definition that the person who created [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► Siri is using or developed at any we're [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► talking very much about something that [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► is self-aware okay not didn't need [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► self-awareness just now something as [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► smart as a toddler where you could [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► converse with it like you converse for [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the with a toddler with or with a [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► five-year-old right we're I think [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► speaking of cockroach or the last time I [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► looked into the AI field that was about [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► the level of intelligence we felt like [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► we were able to accurately simulate [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► cockroach [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► yeah like very very simple stimulus very [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► simple reactions and even that is [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► debatable it's like well that actually [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the cockroach exhibits much more much [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► more sophisticated behavior than your [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► program but yeah [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► so that's I think that's demand more [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► links for Siri let me see you put this [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► one in with Andy Rubin yeah talk about [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► your phone should not be an assistant [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► and all I did when I saw that link was [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► just added a link below it to a Gruber's [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► take on that because bridge I grew with [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► hundred percent he's like what what else [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► is he going to say that's what Gruber [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► said and during horrible you know [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► another product has a headline feature [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► and he he's not going to say yeah that's [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► actually pretty good that's just not how [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► competition works yeah sort of like when [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► when the Android had all this great [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► voice support and the iPhone didn't if [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► you were if you could ever get a comment [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► from an Apple person you would say what [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► do you think all this voice stuff the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► Google's doing you know and in Android [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► anyplace in the UI you can just speak in [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► your dictation and stuff like that and [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► they would have had if Apple was willing [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► to comment at all they would have had to [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► come up with some sort of answer and and [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► I'm sure they were tried to say [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► something bad like well we think that [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► technology is not quite ready and if we [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► were to do we would do it in a different [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► better way or I don't know you always [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► say something that's not so nice to your [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► competition and a Gruber's example was [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► how Jobs would always poopoo things [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► before Apple did them like oh no we [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► don't want video on an iPod it's too [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► small to watch and then when they do it [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► no well actually what Apple would says [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► nobody wants to watch a video on it [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► on a small screen yeah or nobody want [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► the the e-book thing like all people [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► that read anymore [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► it's BS pointless and then they come [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► with iBooks and they make no mention of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► that so that's just this is competition [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► I don't put anything into that you know [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► you shouldn't be talking to your phone [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► um eventually Android volt and I think [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► Google is actually head-on a lot of [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► these things I'm surprised they didn't [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► phrase that differently because Google [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► has clearly been really into the voice [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► support and all that stuff yeah there's [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► been for a long time voice support in [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► Android and in fact I remember when when [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► the first signs of Siri coming out were [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► were there that you know it was out [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► people were immediately saying which is [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► better Siri or Android now I also want [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► to make a distinction is that their Siri [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► and then there's I don't know if you [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► would call it dictation or speech yeah [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► because you can go into any of Apple's [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► apps and any place where there is text [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► entry where there little keyboard slides [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► up you now also have a little microphone [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► so you can tap the microphone and just [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► dictate and it has a it has a little [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► microphone so you tap you tap the little [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► microphone button and in place of the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► keyboard there comes up a little just a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► little a bigger button and you can it [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► which has a microphone on it you tap [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that you start talking you tap it again [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► when you're done talking and it very [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► very very quickly very quickly now I [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► understand it's still using they're [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► still using the internet it's still [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► sending that out for processing it's not [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► happening locally on the phone or at [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► least most of its not but it sends that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► out to the internet and comes back very [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► quickly with the this speech to text you [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► know dictate dictation and then you have [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► your text message or your email or [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► whatever it was that you were composing [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► I feel like there's a differentiation [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► like to me and maybe there isn't maybe [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► there isn't a distinction but to me I [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► would almost want to say that's not Siri [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► because it's just doing the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► text-to-speech it's err speech-to-text [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► rather it's not doing there's no [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► figuring out what I mean there's no [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► taking an action or trying to provide [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► answer or looking anything up it's just [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► saying I heard these sounds and I'm [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► making them into text for you well it's [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► half of because that's an important part [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► of Syria like I think nuance there using [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the nuance stuff and nuance is the ones [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► that do Dragon Dictate and everything so [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► that's their rest their speech [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► recognition engine and then they have [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► the language processing engine that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► figures out what to do right so but [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► without that first half obviously Siri [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► would not be useful so using the word [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► Siri described it as that's the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► analogous lazy branding is an [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► interesting way to say it but the thing [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► about the dictation that I think about [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► is that so I have the dragon or I have [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► Mac speech dictator dragon dictator [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► whatever whatever they renamed it to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► when nuance bought the mac speech guys [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► and it uses the nuance speech [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► recognition engine it even did before [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► they bought them I think they just [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► licensed it and you have to train it [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► when you buy it you have to read through [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► this 5-minute thing where you read and [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► it and it you know it highlights words [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► as you read them and that eventually [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► learns your voice and saves a voice [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► profile that's tied to both you and your [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► microphone so this is you and the iPhone [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► obviously doesn't have that training [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► period you just take it out of the box [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► and you can go into a Notes app and hit [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the little microphone things start [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► talking and it'll make text and and like [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► within Siri you can say well the [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► vocabulary is constrained is just [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► reminders and events and whatever else [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► you can do with Siri but within just [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► generic dictation you could say anything [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► you want I know there is a sort of [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► natural language processing component of [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► speech recognition it's not just saying [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► what what sounds did you make and what [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► word corresponds them it knows the [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► context it knows well usually after this [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► word this word is more likely to come in [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that word you know they both sound the [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► same now what's the Rex a nice Beach [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► every other one wrec is a nice beach [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► instead of recognized speech [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► depending on how you slow they can sound [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► very similar but one sentence is much [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► more likely than the other and so there [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► is and that Siri does the same thing [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► like in this context following the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► things they've said previously what word [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► is a small most likely and and it has a [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► constrained vocabulary so even within [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the world of dictation there's some kind [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► of Siri like intelligence where is [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► that's just how the nuance speech [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► dictation works it's not just convert [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► sound to word in isolation [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► it's consider everything that has been [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► said before and after and what is the [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► most likely sentence that comes out of [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► this so [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► it's kind of fair to label all that as [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► Siri and yeah I can get back to Google [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► they've been gung ho for this for a long [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► time on the Google homepage I think on [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► the web browser if you're using Chrome [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► or whatever this little microphone icon [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► you can just dictate right into it they [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► they love this kind of they've got the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► self-driving cars too crying out loud [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► obviously this is right up Google's [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► alley else or it's not as if Google is [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► going is not interested in this field if [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► anything they were ahead in this field [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and Apple in typical fashion simply [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► packaged it better and got out ahead [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► with just the parts that are the most [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► attractive to users not worrying so much [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► about self-driving cars for now right [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the sponsors for sponsors right up your [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► alley John [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► game minder do you game you can do this [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► app is for you this app game minder [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► knows when apps are coming out games [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► everything so you don't have to worry [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► about it you hear about a game even if [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► it's years away you search for it in [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► game minder you use the reminder app and [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► a little let you know when it's coming [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► out so you can just keep playing xbox [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► ps3 Wii PC Mac iOS even these new what [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► does this one called PlayStation Vita [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► Vita and I don't know how to pronounce [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► it anyway they and they get the inside [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► scoop on stuff so that's their first app [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► game dot miner the second one is read [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► dot minor so iOS gives you this [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► reminders app but if you want more [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► features if you want them tied into game [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► minder if you want a more advanced [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► schedule more customization reminder has [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► that and even better is reminder Pro [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► Plus which is the the Mac Daddy app well [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► for all week long for just four 5x5 [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► listeners they've dropped the price of [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► reminder Pro Plus it's on sale 50% off [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► so you can search for read minder in the [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► iTunes Store or you can just go to 5x5 [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► dot TV slash hypercritical slash 39 for [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► this episode and the link will be there [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that's our first sponsor thanks to [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► Hannah lumber you know that game [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► reminder app that's a very an [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► application of its time because it's [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► kind of so it's going to remind you [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► about games like you hold this game [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► coming out I want to I want to not [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► forget when that comes out so you're [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► enough of a gamer to know that a game is [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► coming out ahead of time and to be [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► excited enough about it that you would [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► be annoyed if you forgot about it but [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► you're not hard [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► or enough of a gamer to be constantly [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► playing games like well of course I [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► would never forget about that so it's [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► basically people like us who were big [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► gamers when we were younger but now you [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► have a family and responsibilities and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► stuff like that it's it's the casual [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► hardcore gamer you would be a hardcore [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► gamer if you have the free time you had [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► when you were in your teens or 20s or [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► whatever but now you have more [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► responsibilities but you don't want to [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► miss that great game so you you have an [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► application that is going to remind you [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► I think of things like that all the time [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► although in one particular case I've [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► been waiting for a game for like three [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► years now it's killing me and I don't [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► need a reminder for it but sometimes I I [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► lose track of when it's supposed to be [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► coming out that game is a Last Guardian [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► from the team the made I go and shout [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► out the closets coarsely possibly eco [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► depending on how you pronounce it people [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► can read and tell me uh but yeah I've [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► been waiting play game forever and I [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► just asked the people who are more up on [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► games I wanted when did they say that's [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► coming out now I've got delay it again [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► or whatever so yeah the that application [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► for the casual hardcore gamer they can [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► use that line if they like although I [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► think it's probably insulting to most [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► people but anyway I think it's very [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► useful what do we have and one more [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► thing on Siri we're talking about using [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► Siri with Apple TV and problems inherent [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► in that setup where the thing is far [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► away from you but it has to understand [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► your speech and it could be other people [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► talking in the room mostly I was [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► thinking of it is a way a way to solve [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the input problem because the input [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► options for a television are not very [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► rich they just remote control with a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► couple buttons or directional control [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► and especially for things like you just [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► want to turn it on and show some movie [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► for the kid people say well the room is [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► going to be too noisy and you don't want [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► to have an expensive thing like an iPod [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► to be used what can you do a couple of [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► suggestions were like well put a little [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► microphone in the remote my main [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► suggestion was just you know pair it all [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► down and go simple and say look it's not [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► always listening to you you have to [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► press a button to make it listen you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► have to talk right into a thing and you [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► would be done and you can't do it when [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► the television is on people like well [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► what if the television is playing some [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► show and it interprets the speech on the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► show as commands and people say well you [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► could cancel the audio out because it [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► knows what it's emitting so I'm sort of [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► like a carrier sense multiple access in [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► Ethernet where it would say well I'm [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► emitting this and if you know I can [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► cancel out what I'm emitting and see if [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► anything else was on the line it you [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► know in the air [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► there are lots of technical solutions [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► but I would simplify it I would just say [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► if you can't do it when the television [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► is playing and you have to talk right [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► into a thing you have to activate a mode [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► for it and even that alone which is very [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► primitive it's just easier to you know [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► pick up the thing and say play cars and [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► have it play the cars movie instead we [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► have to navigate through 50 menus and [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► launch some application and find the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► cars movie for you or you know record [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the Cowboys game tonight or something to [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► use herbage favorite team it'll be [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that's which we had some syrian telogen [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► swear it can figure out the cow who the [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► cowboys are if there's any programs in [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► the upcoming schedule for the night that [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► have anything to do with cowboys or you [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► know that you could add some [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► intelligence to make that work it's [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► easier than flipping through the thing [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► and trying to find the show you want to [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► record so I still think there's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► potential for this I did like the idea [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► of putting a microphone in the remote [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► and basically my my strategy would be [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► don't try to do something really [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► complicated make it very simple very [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► constrained very limited and it would [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► still be better than using a little [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► Direction pad to go see [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► oh I've left up top down down right ride [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Oh up up down down left left right you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► that's annoying we hate that end and I [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► wouldn't suggest as the Google TV things [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► we'll just give them a keyboard and [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► we'll put the no I don't want to [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► keyboard on my couch I don't want a [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► slider remote that opens up into a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► keyboard it would be nice if you could [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► just talk to it and it would work and [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► someone made a web page with a mock-up [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► of that by the way that's I haven't any [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► show notes yeah I think that's it for [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► follow up be sure unless you had [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► anything else from now no I want to get [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► on to the new stuff the good the good [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► hi the next thing I have is that's kind [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► of follow up you so I want to talk a [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► little bit I clawed a little bit more [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► about iCloud well you know I got the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► phones showed up last Friday week ago [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► and I've had a week to experiment with [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► iCloud things I don't know if I'll be [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► able to answer all of your questions but [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► I imagine you've also been experimenting [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► with it there right yeah in a limited [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► fashion mostly this is a reaction to [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► listening to back to work where Merlin [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► when off on iCloud a little bit.i and [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► listening to his experiences because he [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► was brave enough to use the beta switch [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► I never was I was like I'm not putting [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► any of my data you know I did I didn't [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► either register for I club with a new [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► Apple ID during the lion beta just to [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► see what it was like but that was such a [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► long time ago and I never put any of my [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► real data into it it was just me [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► fiddling around with stuff but he's [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► tried to put his real data into it and [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► run into all sorts of weird issues and [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► one of his big objections was that he [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► seems to have no it's not trustworthy [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► and it's not as trustworthy as Dropbox [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► because he's not ever sure what's going [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► on in that other place he can see what's [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► on his devices and on his Mac but he's [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► never sure if it wasn't there until you [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► looked as kind of a shorteners cat kind [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► of situation where I said well if I [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► didn't look at that Pages document I [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► just boarded a plane when I was on the [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► plane I tried to pull up the Pages [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► document would it not be there and it [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► would try to fetch it at that point [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► which point doesn't have it versus [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► Dropbox Regis looks a little icons he's [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the checkbox and checkmark on the menu [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► bar icon and knows it's got everything [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► it's all synced you know that was the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► great title bed episode it's never not [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► everywhere whereas with iCloud he's not [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► so sure and I got him to likely know if [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► you wanted to lead a photo from your [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► photo stream there's no way to do that [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► you got to reset the whole stream and [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► that is not ideal and I think I talked [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► about a little bit how it was more like [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► a conduit and they weren't they didn't [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► want you to have it's not a place you're [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► supposed to think of like it's more like [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► they just wanted to appear on all your [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► devices they want it to work the way [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► Dropbox works but when it doesn't you [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► don't have as much of an a mechanism to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► reach into that middle place and see [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► what's there I manipulate it right now [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► what I want to say about this is [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► something I was going to do an iCloud [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► section in my line review and I cut it [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► but what I would have put in there is my [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► understanding of the iCloud philosophy [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► from talking to people WWC and going to [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► sessions and stuff like that and how it [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► how it is different than the MobileMe [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► philosophy you know I don't know if you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► did use mommy syncing a lot not I mean [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► early on I did a few years ago but I I [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► stopped using mobile me when I mean [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► certainly by the time Dropbox was out I [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► stopped using it because I wasn't you [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► know I'm kind of weird I guess in that I [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► don't use a lot of bookmarks there's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► only a handful of them it's not like I [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► and I have that many machines I want to [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► sync them back and forth to and that was [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► for me that was the big selling point of [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► mobile me I never used I disk I never [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► used the photo albums anyway so what's [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► left I mean the stinking stuff I mean it [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► was great thinking address book syncing [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► it in doing those uh you know I don't do [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► a lot with keychain generally speaking [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► because I use one password address books [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► thinking you could do with Google uh so [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► there really wasn't that much value of [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► it for for value there for me after a [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► while so I had stopped doing it [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► but it sounds like Merlin was actually [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► trying to use I disk which is braver [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► than I was but I had such a bad [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► experience with a disk yeah and I did I [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► did keychain syncing I still do keychain [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► syncing your Jimbo's thinking which [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► Gruber mentioned that he uses as well [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► and that the thing about mobile me [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► sinking is it was so is very similar [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► experience work although I should you [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► know there's an API just like iCloud [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► where the applications can use this API [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► and you could choose on which machine [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► you might which things to be synced to [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► with a little compression Spain and the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► little I kind of desktop the shows when [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► it's syncing stuff but the key [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► difference is that the mobile me and the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► Sync Services Inc infrastructure that's [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► built on I think syncs the sync services [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► predate mobile me maybe it was in a dot [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► Mac based to but I don't know it's all [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► the same thing same thing the underlying [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► architecture was that the sync stuff [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► would run and so if you is pretend [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► everything is in sync and then you go on [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► one machine that's disconnected from the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► internet and you and you change [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► somebody's phone numbered end and a four [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► and you want another machine and you [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► change that same guy's phone number ten [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► to the five right then when you sync [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► those two machines on one of them are [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► possibly both of them you get dialog [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► that says well one of these machines [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► thinks this number should be a four and [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► the other one thinks it should be a five [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► which one is right you'd be presented [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► with the conflict resolution dialog you [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► remember that thing yes we would show it [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► would basically show your computer as a [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► five but dot Mac has a four choose one [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► right and then it was a checkbox at the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► bottom that says make the same decision [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► for all them so if you decided Mac was [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► canonical like oh I'm sure what's on dot [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► Mac is what I really want so you could [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► just say don't don't ask me about these [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► during the sync process just go through [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► the rest of them and just take what that [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Mac has [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► but if you're paranoid you go through [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► each one automatic has this and you have [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► that it would also prompt you who were [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► going to change a certain percentage of [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the things like I'm about to change more [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► than 20% of your contacts let me bring [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► up this dialog it says are you sure you [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► want to do this here's what it looks [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► like though Mac has these contacts and [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you have these right Yojimbo was a great [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► torture test for sync services I don't [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► know if you call it great Apple to call [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► it great but your Jimbo is this sort of [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► I know you'd call it like a shoebox [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► application where you can just put [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► anything in there you can put captures [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► of webpages bookmarks rich text [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► documents I think this PDF so all sorts [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► of stuff you can throw in your Jimbo and [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► some of these can be very large even [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► just a big capture of a very long [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► webpage but it will save all the images [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► associated with a webpage and the whole [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► thing it would like you know get like a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► web archive of it right and when your [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► Jimbo came out what you'd get was the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► dialog would come up and say you know [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► dot Mac has this and your Mac has that [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and what it would show is a giant [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► hexadecimal dump of binary data of like [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► three megabytes of binary did and if it [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► was over a certain size you get the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► spinning beach ball right in front of [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that review and dialogue and you'd never [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► be able to do anything so now you're [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► stuck you can't sink your Mac because [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► the sink services can't handle the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► volume of data it's being asked to to [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► review the changes too and it wouldn't [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► matter anyway because you can't make [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► heads or tails of this hex dump all you [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► can really look at is the dates and say [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► oh yeah I remember I changed that over [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► there and I should replace it on this [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► Mac you know that experience all right [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► part of that is bugs right same services [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► not being good part of that is design [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► where they didn't have an interface [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► where the applications could provide a [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► piece of code that would say I know how [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► to display Yojimbo documents so when [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► someone asks for diff on your jimbo [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► document use my code and splice diff you [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► know the same services would just fall [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► back to oh here's a binary dump make [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► sense of that good luck so that was a [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► feature missed [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► missing features there and so they [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► sorted out the performance eventually [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► much thanks I'm sure to Yojimbo and all [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► of its users torture testing it and you [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► know back and forth between Apple and [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► bare-bones to get that working and now [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► does work really well and I don't get [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► those dialogues anymore and it certainly [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► doesn't beachball and freeze anymore [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► that took many years to get to though in [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► many years involving all sorts of as [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► Merlin pointed strange incantations to [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► reset things in the MobileMe side [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► including the super secret apple [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► internal applications that can [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► a hard hard reset of your MobileMe state [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► to just wipe everything clean not a fun [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► experience right now but but the big [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► design change that the Apple decided was [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► a mistake with MobileMe with ever [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► presenting the user with a dialogue that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► to resolve a conflict because then [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► you're making them make a choice and no [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► matter how good you make that decision [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► and how much information you provide [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► you've got a custom UI they could show [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► you exactly the differences or whatever [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► regular users are not like programmers [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► they don't want to see a side-by-side [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► diff and make a decision and so how do [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► you get how do you get rid of that but [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► still deal with the situation when you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► have one computer that changed the phone [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► number ten with the for one computer [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► changed em with the five what's what's [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► the answer obviously there has to be [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► some winner there because they the same [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► phone number can't be you know to have [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► two different endings right so the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► iCloud philosophy is don't ever show [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► anyone a dialog box to ask them to make [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► a decision and that's in keeping with [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► Apple's philosophy of just not [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► presenting options and just it's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► annoying like don't don't bother me with [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► this I don't want to hear about it right [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► but to make sure you know and then [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► iCloud basically has to pick a winner [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► but to make sure you don't screw the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► user over like say you pick the wrong [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► thing icon philosophy seems to be if you [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► have two things that conflict in some [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► way they're big hammer to solve this is [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► versioning so pick a winner [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► push loser onto the stack of versions [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► and then push the winner on to the stack [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► of versions so no prompts no information [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► no decisions you're being asked to mate [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► that's why this can happen when you're [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► not in front of the thing like it can [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► sync to your phones by push to know that [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► you know the device could have the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► screen turned off is laying on your desk [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► right you don't want to pick up your [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► phone and turn on have 50 dialog saying [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► for you to resolve conflicts right it [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► says I'm just going to pick a winner [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► based on some simple heuristic like you [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► know the least most recently updated or [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► whatever it rules they decide but [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► doesn't really matter because I the [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► loser I pushed on to the stack of [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► different versions and your application [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and the api's you're supposed to provide [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► you with a way to get back that old [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► version if you decide wait a second [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► what's going on here right ah and in the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► WEC keynote they didn't emphasize this [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► as much as they emphasized the other [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► thing which was there's no place you go [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► or app you run or thing you do for [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► iCloud it's built into your applications [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► so their ideal scenario is the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► applications them [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► elves do the hard work to implement all [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► this functionality to like oh how do I [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► get back my previous version you know to [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► pull the sync versions when I make a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► change I push it down to the cloud when [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► they launch the application pull the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► changes from the cloud all this business [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► make it in the application so there's no [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► other place to go and it just seems to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► magically work that's the ideal scenario [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► but as marilyn is finding that relies on [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► all the applications doing all this [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► fancy stuff and even Apple zones [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► applications maybe making decisions [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► about how to implement this stuff that [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► are different so if pages for example if [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► if you can only get your pages documents [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► by launching pages and if you don't [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► launch pages it hasn't synced with the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► cloud that's bad because that's not what [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► that's not what Merlin expects it that's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► not how Dropbox would work because [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► Dropbox is always running all right so [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► they're trying to balance the need to [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► have some always running third-party [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► applications syncing all your files with [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► the idea that they don't want it to be a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► thing that you deal with they don't want [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► any decisions they don't want a third [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► thing that you deal with our place that [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► you go they don't want an eye sync [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► application that you launch and hit a [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► sync button they don't even want like a [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► little sync process that appears they [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► just want it to all be transparent but [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► when you violate some assumption like [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the network is always available and you [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► board a plane and you try to get your [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► pages documented it's not there that's [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► an upsetting experience of people like [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► Marilyn and me and you I'm sure would [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► like to have enough control to say [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► alright I know enough about the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► internals to know that before I board [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► this plane make sure my Dropbox is [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► synced and then I'll know I'll have [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► everything you know I see the little [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► checkmark I'm good to go on the plane [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► because I've got all the stuff locally [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► it's an implementation detail that you [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► understand right versus hiding this all [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► and having nothing visible to anybody [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► and not being sure well is there [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► background process in iOS 5 that's [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► pulling these things I think there is [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► for photostream but is it does it pull [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► pages documents or do I have to launch [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► pages and maybe I should just launch [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► pages to be safe and even when you [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► launch pages if you saw your document [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► listed another implementation detail [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► could be oh well pages just pulled the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► metadata from iCloud it didn't pull the [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► documents this is something that I [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► thought does by the way because it wants [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► to be parsimonious with its usage of the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the network and everything and so it may [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► only pull the metadata oh yeah this [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► document this is how big it is and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► here's like a preview image but you [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► don't have the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► until you open the documents oh yeah you [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► get into this paranoia mode very like [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► let me just make sure I have everything [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► okay load it or did it load everything [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► or maybe the only loaded the first page [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► I mean maybe I should scroll through the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► it obviously it's us overthinking it but [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► we're overthinking it because we run [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► into situations where stuff is not [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► always everywhere as Merlin put it and [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► so we get paranoid about it as we know [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► about the implementation but this [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► implementation this whole thing with a [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► grab bean or ribbon fingerprinting that [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► I talked about in the lion review is an [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► efficient way to to send and receive [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► just the changes to files and to chunk [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► them up into pieces so you you know the [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► pieces don't all change when a one-bite [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► at the end of the file changes it wasn't [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► shift all the bytes over in the other [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► pieces like they're trying to be [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► efficient about network access and data [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► storage and not constantly running stuff [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► but they're also trying to make it [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► appear like everything is everywhere and [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► there's a conflict between those things [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► and on top of that the never prompting [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► for what you should do so there's not [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► even any place you'd go reset just just [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► pull everything I'm gonna board a plane [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► just anything that's in the cloud I've [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► got an hour before my flight leaves just [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► just pull it all now because I'm on [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► Wi-Fi there's no button for that because [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► there's no place to go for that that's [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► at as designed I think these are all [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► solvable problems and I think Apple did [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► choose the right thing of not prompting [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► people those conflicts and having it all [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► trying to be automated but it's obvious [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► that sometimes the assumptions built [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► into Apple system are being violated [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► like when the network isn't accessible [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► and that sort of breaks the illusion [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► there and I think applications need to [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► be updated to I don't know that needs to [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► be like would you want pages to pull [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► every single when your documents all the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► time some people would say yes [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► maybe that maybe you have to have some [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► sort of preference at that level or some [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► way for it to do it [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► earthy I'm going to board a plane button [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► or something like that but Apple might [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► say well that's that's an edge case and [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► we don't want that at all and most [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► people are always near a network you [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► know this how many times I offer you on [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► a plane [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► so we'll just pull it on demand because [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► that's the most efficient way to do [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► things it's upsetting to Merlin and it [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► may be upsetting the tech heads I wonder [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► how regular people will feel about the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► transparency of iCloud I don't know if [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► we have any and maybe guess they if she [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► had it off she's making documents that [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► are being sync to iCloud or how she's [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► experienced this well she's editing that [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► the other show but I'll ask her [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► and it'll be interesting it's going to [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► be a while before anyone in my extended [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► family gets any iOS 5 devices because [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► we're all using older iPods many of [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► which can't be upgraded to that but if [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► they don't have iPhones they're still [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► using mobile me eventually they'll be on [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► iCloud and everything that will be [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► interesting to see it what they think of [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► the syncing experience as I said last [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► week the fact that you can do something [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► on one device like take a picture with [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► your phone and it automatically shows up [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► at your other devices and that part [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► actually works that is like 90% of the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► battle for regular people I think they [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► didn't have to do anything they just [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► signed and it just magically work and [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the details about well what if I want to [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► delete it or what if I got on a plane or [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► are my pages documents really there as [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► much as that annoys people like us I [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► think that's probably the 8090 percent [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► solution and those details are not going [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► to be that big of a deal source bits [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► writing software design and development [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► services for iOS Android Mac and the web [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► source bits is at the bleeding edge of [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► emerging technologies their deep [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► experience and successful track record [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► makes it so that you have an idea you [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and get it done you just go to search [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► pits calm you tell them about it [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► they make it happen you have a webapp [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► piece you have an Android version iOS [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► doesn't matter they just do it they do [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► it all they do it right the first time [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► and they save you money because you [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► don't have to do it twice source bits [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► calm cutting-edge app development I gave [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► him that that's logo slogan not logo [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► slow go I gave them that [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► so generous it's their slow go they can [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► do whatever they want it's theirs [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► they're gonna have to run with this I [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► mean I'm just the idea guy [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► sore spits calm so our remaining time I [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► I guess I'll circle I still don't have [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► time I thought maybe I'd get to the what [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► ails Microsoft probably can't get it [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► give some hints drop some hints oh I'm [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► gonna do a Microsoft topic and will [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► creep up on I'll I still have a little [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► tiny bit of Windows eight stop [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► straggling from way way back four shows [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► ago or something this is a long circle [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► back but events transpired that [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► prevented [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► from coming so I'll try to finish up my [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► thoughts on this Windows 8 video which [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► ought to put in the show notes this was [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► a demonstration of Windows 8 from was it [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► a month ago it's a long time ago talking [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► about the UI the philosophy behind the [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► UI and some of the things behind it so I [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► have at the tail end of those to make I [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► can fit those in here so I think where I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► left off last time was on contracts I [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► didn't talk about them at all so [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► contracts is a concept in Windows 8 that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► it allows applications to work together [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► without knowing anything about each [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► other there are lots of technologies on [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► all platforms that fits this description [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► for example the clipboard on the Mac is [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► a mechanism like that you can copy text [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► one application to paste than the other [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► and those two applications those [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► developers need never have known [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► anything about each other never met like [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► this an intermediary they both work with [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► the intermediary in the intermediary [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► does the job of translating between and [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► then mat clipboard does all sorts of [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► stuff with storing different [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► representations like the the sending [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► application will send one or two [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► representations then the receiving [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► application will say which ones that can [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► receive but that's that's a very basic [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► form of having applications work [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► together without knowing anything about [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► each other and that was fairly [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► revolutionary when the Mac came out the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► idea that you can copy for any [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► application and paste into any other and [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► for some platforms like Linux say that's [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► or it's still revolutionary but that's [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► due to accidents of history maybe those [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► a cheap shot that so contracts in [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► Windows 8 are a richer version of that [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► actually before I get the contracts [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► let's think about how that works in iOS [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► there is a there's the clipboard in iOS [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► right finally where you can copy and [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► paste stuff from one place the other but [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► there's also this weird thing with URL [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► schemes where you can register a URL [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► scheme you just make up one instead of [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► HTTP colon slash slash it's like my cool [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► app name colon slash slash and if you [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► register that with the system then when [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► the regular URL opening API is find an [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► API that begins with that double sale [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► when I see this URL I launch this other [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► app and provide it with this thing and [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► that's a really rudimentary way that you [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► can from one application like you know [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► open a PDF and find any applet well [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► that's slightly different than the thing [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► where they figure out what Apps can [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► understand PDFs but they're very [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► primitive ways by registering URL scheme [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► handlers or by registering with the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► system [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► kinds of documents that you understand [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that applications can provide content to [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► each other through this intermediary of [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► the system which knows which [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► applications can handle which pretend [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► protocols and which file right next [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► engine so contracts is a severely [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► cranked up version of that where the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► middleman isn't just a clipboard and it [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► isn't just a registry of file types and [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► URL schemes [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► it's the middleman with some rich [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► understanding of a few particular things [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► and so you can I think what's one of it [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► what's one of the the contracts here I [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► may find a solid example so this there's [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► a search system service to search things [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► and if an application it is something [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► searchable inside an application an [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► application will write support for the [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► search contract and it will become [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► available as a thing that can be [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► searched and even go so far as to when [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► it brings up the UI for searching stuff [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► if you're searching within your [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► application your application gets a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► chance to present its content the way it [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► wants to present it or present a UI that [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► makes sense within that application that [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► you know so this is actual UI component [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► actual segments of your own code running [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► to provide this interface I think they [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► do it for settings too I could do for [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► settings as well like so in an iOS where [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► you've got the settings application do [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you remember when iOS first came out I [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► said oh don't put your preferences in [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► your application right put them all in [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► settings and Mac users were like well I [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► got to leave the application to tell [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► whether I want the background and this [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► thing to be light or dark well I can't [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► just do it within here so now go to the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Settings app setting app is actually [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► kind of similar where you write [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► something that defines data structure [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► that the settings application reads and [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► says I'll here's how I can provide [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► settings this other application oh [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► settings in Windows 8 use the contracts [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► thing to provide its their charms on the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► side or error to provide a centralized [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► UI for all settings and applications [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► right to this the settings contract [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► thing to be able to present their UI in [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► that context instead of just providing [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► data structure that I would actually [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► have a chance to draw things on the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► screens though now the thing that this [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► contracts I'm probably doing a bad job [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► of describing all the richness available [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► in contracts because it's been a while [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► since I've seen this video my notes are [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► all the bells back but the things that [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the contracts made me think of whatever [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► I saw it is like so obviously this is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► like clipboard on steroids or it's [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► better than registering profile types [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► and protocol handles like an iOS so it's [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► clearly a step up in cooperation between [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► applications providing more interesting [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► cooperation and a richer set of [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► behaviors for cooperation and what it [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► may be think of because I'm an old man [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► and an old Mac user was published and [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► subscribe do you remember that hmm no no [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► this is maybe in the 90s I should find a [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► Wikipedia link for this so sometime when [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► Apple was busy making strange new [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► technologies but they weren't all really [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► sticking like it was early enough that [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► Apple was still doing really interesting [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► things but late enough that they were [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► starting to do interesting things that [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► people would look at and go yeah I don't [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► know kind of like I think this was [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► before open doc before power talk if [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► anyone remembers that probably not so [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► publish and subscribe was similar type [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► of thing where there was a there was a [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► API defined in the system where [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► applications could say would you like to [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► publish something we'll use this publish [TS]