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00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03 ◼   ► this is hyper critical to weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05 ◼   ► talkshow ruminating on exactly what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07 ◼   ► wrong in the world of Apple and related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/7">TS</a>]

00:00:08 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/8">TS</a>]

00:00:10 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/10">TS</a>]

00:00:11 ◼   ► about buying my co-host John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/11">TS</a>]

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm Dan Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16 ◼   ► today is October 14th 2011 this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19 ◼   ► episode number 38 our two sponsors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/19">TS</a>]

00:00:24 ◼   ► easy DNS comm and Rackspace comm tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you more about them as we continue on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30 ◼   ► with this program Jon siracusa how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33 ◼   ► you I'm doing fine you sound good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36 ◼   ► sound well yeah I've gotten sick yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39 ◼   ► I'm getting there well you have kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41 ◼   ► kids around the world they catch her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43 ◼   ► here everyone in the family of the flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46 ◼   ► shot now I think except for me oh how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/46">TS</a>]

00:00:50 ◼   ► effective for those I've heard the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51 ◼   ► different things about the efficacy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53 ◼   ► the flu shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54 ◼   ► I tell from year to year I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► getting them pretty much since I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58 ◼   ► kids and I haven't noticed a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/58">TS</a>]

00:01:01 ◼   ► difference I still always get a cold or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03 ◼   ► several of them during the winter oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/63">TS</a>]

00:01:04 ◼   ► that's a cold that's not the fairs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05 ◼   ► well maybe it would be worse you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► I can't tell the difference I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/67">TS</a>]

00:01:08 ◼   ► think a flu shot does anything for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10 ◼   ► cold and you can yeah you probably don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/70">TS</a>]

00:01:11 ◼   ► believe medicine work theater so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13 ◼   ► course I do but I'm saying why would a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14 ◼   ► flu shot protect you from the cold well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/74">TS</a>]

00:01:17 ◼   ► it's just protecting you against one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18 ◼   ► particular strain of virus and so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21 ◼   ► you don't get that strain of you the flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► shot but there are other strains I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► they're less severe or I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26 ◼   ► sometimes they make the flu shot wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/86">TS</a>]

00:01:27 ◼   ► where they try to predict what strain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29 ◼   ► will be and they get it wrong but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30 ◼   ► figure it's better than nothing no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32 ◼   ► I'm not saying don't do it I'm saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33 ◼   ► wouldn't expect any protection from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► common cold from a flu shot I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38 ◼   ► I I still get sick during the winter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/98">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► I survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/102">TS</a>]

00:01:46 ◼   ► losers are all did you ready for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49 ◼   ► follow-up I would love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51 ◼   ► some follow-up is piling up I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53 ◼   ► skipping over wheat well last week last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/113">TS</a>]

00:01:56 ◼   ► week there was good reason to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57 ◼   ► something different but let's just start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59 ◼   ► with the follow-up then let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01 ◼   ► start with it I'm looking into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/121">TS</a>]

00:02:02 ◼   ► links that you put in here yeah last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04 ◼   ► week push a lot of stuff out yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06 ◼   ► actually I just look at the links to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/126">TS</a>]

00:02:07 ◼   ► this is the problem I put these links in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and then during the show I forget to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10 ◼   ► look at the page where I put the links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► in and then I I skip over stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13 ◼   ► all right so I'll do a limited selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16 ◼   ► to follow up okay so this is a one from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/136">TS</a>]

00:02:19 ◼   ► a couple weeks ago I think I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22 ◼   ► got to there was a New York Times story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I think it was just on the online site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26 ◼   ► not on the paper I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28 ◼   ► actually know I only see the online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29 ◼   ► version it was part of a larger section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32 ◼   ► about cooking and the little mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34 ◼   ► article was called why is my toaster so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35 ◼   ► bad and I put a link in the show notes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► feel this is partial vindication of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40 ◼   ► toaster obsession it's a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/160">TS</a>]

00:02:41 ◼   ► article it just explains toaster seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43 ◼   ► like we used to be better and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► they're not anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/166">TS</a>]

00:02:47 ◼   ► the article didn't extrapolate from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50 ◼   ► like we did in the show about that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► worse and more diverse that the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53 ◼   ► consumer electronics and other products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55 ◼   ► are expanding in the variety of options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57 ◼   ► you have but decreasing in quality sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/177">TS</a>]

00:03:00 ◼   ► of a race to the bottom type things this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/180">TS</a>]

00:03:01 ◼   ► little snippet did not go into that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03 ◼   ► I do feel partially vindicated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/183">TS</a>]

00:03:04 ◼   ► something appeared in The New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05 ◼   ► having to do with low quality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06 ◼   ► toasters this is one of your ghost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09 ◼   ► writing pieces no I would have been much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12 ◼   ► more severe than than this thing so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14 ◼   ► just like I think it's like maybe it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► in there Sunday frilly magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/196">TS</a>]

00:03:20 ◼   ► lifestyle help you know it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not it's not on the news page on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/202">TS</a>]

00:03:26 ◼   ► link in the show notes by the way when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/206">TS</a>]

00:03:27 ◼   ► you click on it it brings up this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/207">TS</a>]

00:03:28 ◼   ► interactive thing that has multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30 ◼   ► sections the first section is Canada [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33 ◼   ► candid inner party be stress-free that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35 ◼   ► not the one you want you have to click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/215">TS</a>]

00:03:36 ◼   ► on a little sidebar I tried very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38 ◼   ► get a URL that would bring you to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39 ◼   ► sidebar being clicked but short of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41 ◼   ► writing a big long JavaScript thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► wasn't happening so you'll have to click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45 ◼   ► on why is my toaster so bad it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► second item down on the left side I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/226">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► wanted so we talked a little bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► my family my mother calling me about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55 ◼   ► Steve Jobs thing and and last show where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57 ◼   ► we talked about that stuff and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/237">TS</a>]

00:04:00 ◼   ► have another story about my mother that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01 ◼   ► I want to share hmm during that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03 ◼   ► conversation she mentioned I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06 ◼   ► we're talking about the podcast and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► actually listens to the podcast and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I always tell her that I think it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► of silly for her to listen because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12 ◼   ► talking about a lot of technical stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that she's not interested in at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/254">TS</a>]

00:04:15 ◼   ► really has no background in of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18 ◼   ► she listen just because I'm her son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20 ◼   ► right and she said well actually learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22 ◼   ► stuff from your podcasts do things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► I didn't know I can follow along and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25 ◼   ► learn new information and she said for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26 ◼   ► instance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► recent show I learned about that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► you mentioned about that wiggle mode on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30 ◼   ► iOS devices yeah she learned about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33 ◼   ► she said I never knew that's what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36 ◼   ► thing was when they when the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► icons are wiggling and everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39 ◼   ► could rearrange them and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40 ◼   ► and no Bret this is someone who has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► an iPod Touch since the first generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45 ◼   ► and uses mostly iPod touches my sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/285">TS</a>]

00:04:49 ◼   ► has one she has one and she said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52 ◼   ► every time she saw that she thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54 ◼   ► she'd done something bad and the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55 ◼   ► thing to do when my sister would see my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57 ◼   ► mother would tell her maybe maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► messed something up why are they shaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and eventually they would just like pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02 ◼   ► out it and figure out how to stop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► thing from shaking but first of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► feel like this is a personal failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07 ◼   ► that my my own mother my family didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09 ◼   ► know what that was I guess you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► accidentally activate it if you just if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13 ◼   ► you tap just a little bit too long or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15 ◼   ► you're lazy you don't lift your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16 ◼   ► up right and then it goes into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17 ◼   ► wiggle mode for a range in yes but her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/317">TS</a>]

00:05:20 ◼   ► conception of how computers work was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that this I guess that this that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25 ◼   ► little shaking icons weren't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26 ◼   ► that had to be explicitly programmed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28 ◼   ► someone but it was like a an outward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30 ◼   ► symptom of something that had gone wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the things she compared to was like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► Windows NT you remember when you put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36 ◼   ► the bad username and password and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/336">TS</a>]

00:05:37 ◼   ► little thing would shake back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39 ◼   ► next did that too right this Windows NT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/339">TS</a>]

00:05:40 ◼   ► do that I know next did I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42 ◼   ► don't think so all right well I like Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/342">TS</a>]

00:05:46 ◼   ► West does not go as 10 still do it - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47 ◼   ► this is where you rent prompted for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49 ◼   ► username and password to log in you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51 ◼   ► in bad information and the the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53 ◼   ► thing that you type the username and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/353">TS</a>]

00:05:54 ◼   ► password and shakes back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/354">TS</a>]

00:05:55 ◼   ► really fast like it's shaking its head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57 ◼   ► and so she thought this was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59 ◼   ► manifestation of the iPod telling her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know you've done something wrong or I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04 ◼   ► about to explode or I'm about to cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06 ◼   ► right it's like please stop yeah please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08 ◼   ► guy I guess you didn't notice the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10 ◼   ► X's that suddenly appear oh if anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that's like a big warning like don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14 ◼   ► don't touch me yeah sorry it just goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/374">TS</a>]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to show don't assume and this is someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/379">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► who's used Mac since the original Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► we've add Mac's our entire life she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26 ◼   ► iOS devices and she uses them all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28 ◼   ► time just type odds it's not like she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30 ◼   ► unfamiliar with Apple technology I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/390">TS</a>]

00:06:33 ◼   ► don't know how someone can use an iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35 ◼   ► Touch for however many years she's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► using it and not not noted a success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/397">TS</a>]

00:06:43 ◼   ► let's see what do we have next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45 ◼   ► I'll tell you something that's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47 ◼   ► about that wiggle wiggle mode widow mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50 ◼   ► if you you can go into the maybe you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/410">TS</a>]

00:06:55 ◼   ► done this with your iPod Touches that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you give to your kids but we haven't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/417">TS</a>]

00:07:01 ◼   ► raishin iPad that my boy uses and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03 ◼   ► he'd see would delete apps sometimes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06 ◼   ► then he would get yeah I don't think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► did it on purpose or if he did he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/428">TS</a>]

00:07:09 ◼   ► just you know he was experimenting not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► knowing that if he puts it into wiggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13 ◼   ► mode and then presses the X that the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15 ◼   ► will be gone I don't think he knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17 ◼   ► that was I think he just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/437">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► experimenting with it and deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20 ◼   ► deleted some apps that he won that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22 ◼   ► wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23 ◼   ► so there there are settings of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/443">TS</a>]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that you can parental control settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/448">TS</a>]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and things like that that allow you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31 ◼   ► prevent your children from deleting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34 ◼   ► app and I had enabled a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36 ◼   ► parental controls not only because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38 ◼   ► didn't want to buying things because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39 ◼   ► didn't want him deleting apps and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41 ◼   ► getting upset and saying daddy where's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/461">TS</a>]

00:07:42 ◼   ► my spongebob app and what's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45 ◼   ► is it you can still put it into wiggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47 ◼   ► mode but the little X's don't appear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50 ◼   ► just they just wiggle and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52 ◼   ► rearrange them but you can't can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53 ◼   ► delete anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/473">TS</a>]

00:07:54 ◼   ► so that might also be good as a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/474">TS</a>]

00:07:58 ◼   ► parental control in the other sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00 ◼   ► the word yeah that's the other common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02 ◼   ► joke parental controls right for parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04 ◼   ► to protect your children but really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05 ◼   ► mostly for older children to configure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08 ◼   ► devices so that parents can't screw them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10 ◼   ► up right like what was that called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12 ◼   ► simple finder where you just had the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15 ◼   ► clicky button to valincia there was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► a tease member at ease at ease yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19 ◼   ► basically big punk and juicy bevel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► buttons there those simple finder - you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/501">TS</a>]

00:08:25 ◼   ► know my mother always of when I teased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27 ◼   ► her about these things she always says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29 ◼   ► someday this will be you your children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30 ◼   ► will be making fun of you and you won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/510">TS</a>]

00:08:33 ◼   ► know how to work there that's true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► tell her this is not true yeah never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37 ◼   ► this will never be true and I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39 ◼   ► sad of the day if this day ever comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41 ◼   ► that my children can beat me in video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43 ◼   ► games but I will forestall that day but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/523">TS</a>]

00:08:47 ◼   ► I don't think there ever be a day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49 ◼   ► I just am as incompetent in technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52 ◼   ► as are the generation product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► there are sizing I think there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56 ◼   ► certain things though like I'll give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58 ◼   ► an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/538">TS</a>]

00:08:58 ◼   ► my grandfather um very very smart man he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/538">TS</a>]

00:09:02 ◼   ► was uh he was a scientist he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04 ◼   ► metallurgist he you know very very smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/544">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► analytical uh incredibly you know gifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/548">TS</a>]

00:09:12 ◼   ► mind and when he was when he was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/552">TS</a>]

00:09:16 ◼   ► know probably in his 70s 60s or 70s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19 ◼   ► remember web TV remember that thing I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/559">TS</a>]

00:09:22 ◼   ► unfortunately he got one of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and he worked I mean he knew how to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27 ◼   ► he had no computer experience or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29 ◼   ► anything he worked at just fine but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/569">TS</a>]

00:09:30 ◼   ► there were little things in there that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32 ◼   ► remember would throw him off like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33 ◼   ► example when you know how when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35 ◼   ► an email chain or if you were to forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37 ◼   ► something how it might append a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39 ◼   ► signature to the bottom of the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► like there are settings that would would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44 ◼   ► get around this but people I guess we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46 ◼   ► sending him things an email and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49 ◼   ► signatures would be appended to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► bottom of it and to him this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53 ◼   ► puzzling he's like it are these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/593">TS</a>]

00:09:54 ◼   ► trying to take credit you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55 ◼   ► somebody would send him the body of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57 ◼   ► article that they would like for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59 ◼   ► read and at the bottom it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that person's name he'd be like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that mean the person wrote it or thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03 ◼   ► they wrote it like little details like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that there's sort of the culture that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► surrounds technology I think as an older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11 ◼   ► person John you might not understand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13 ◼   ► might not get it you might understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the technology involved but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/615">TS</a>]

00:10:19 ◼   ► eventually they will be beating you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► videogames some that will just come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23 ◼   ► hand-eye coordination deterioration with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► age I'm sure that will happen but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26 ◼   ► saying I won't be like afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29 ◼   ► technology or not an abuser now someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► in the world and the chat room Adamo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33 ◼   ► wolf says that technology will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35 ◼   ► something completely different than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/635">TS</a>]

00:10:36 ◼   ► can conceive of and that it's happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/636">TS</a>]

00:10:37 ◼   ► every generation before us I disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39 ◼   ► with that actually I think there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40 ◼   ► a couple of inflection points there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/640">TS</a>]

00:10:41 ◼   ► pre and post Industrial Revolution where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► you were like farmers and whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45 ◼   ► then there was machines and in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47 ◼   ► generation if you if your parents grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/647">TS</a>]

00:10:48 ◼   ► up in the sort of a gray and rural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51 ◼   ► reindustrialization age they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54 ◼   ► understand this huge influx of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/654">TS</a>]

00:10:55 ◼   ► machines and gadgets and technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57 ◼   ► manufacturing and interchangeable parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59 ◼   ► and all that business right so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00 ◼   ► one inflection point and I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► was a stretch there where from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03 ◼   ► generation to the next there wasn't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/663">TS</a>]

00:11:04 ◼   ► huge leap you know fathers and sons both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07 ◼   ► like the tinkerer with internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► engines and that stay the same for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10 ◼   ► while and the second inflection point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12 ◼   ► Turing machines uh you know transistors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/672">TS</a>]

00:11:16 ◼   ► silicon chips basically where suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18 ◼   ► they started to infect everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that was a new thing where we can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21 ◼   ► these very very very tiny electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/681">TS</a>]

00:11:24 ◼   ► machines you know but on printed circuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26 ◼   ► boards and microchips and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/686">TS</a>]

00:11:27 ◼   ► that and that infected everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29 ◼   ► then you had one generation who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/689">TS</a>]

00:11:30 ◼   ► have to deal with computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31 ◼   ► microchips and next generation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/691">TS</a>]

00:11:32 ◼   ► they were everywhere so that if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34 ◼   ► father and son both loved internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/694">TS</a>]

00:11:35 ◼   ► combustion engines the father would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36 ◼   ► bemoaned the fact that now we can't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/696">TS</a>]

00:11:37 ◼   ► on his car because you need a $10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39 ◼   ► special car computer to hook up to it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41 ◼   ► do anything useful right except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43 ◼   ► change the oils and the spark plugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/703">TS</a>]

00:11:44 ◼   ► stuff like that so that's the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46 ◼   ► inflection point I think we were born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48 ◼   ► just that the second inflection point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50 ◼   ► was happening and we are acclimated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51 ◼   ► and we're used to keeping up with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53 ◼   ► I think we'll be fine as long as there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/713">TS</a>]

00:11:54 ◼   ► not a third inflection point in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55 ◼   ► lifetime or a third inflection point it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57 ◼   ► could be something like biological based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59 ◼   ► technology or gene splicing or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that we're not it didn't happen in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02 ◼   ► formative years that we're not prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04 ◼   ► to deal but and then you know if our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/724">TS</a>]

00:12:05 ◼   ► kids are using these genetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07 ◼   ► modifying themselves to use a neural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09 ◼   ► implants already but I I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10 ◼   ► stuff is so far off we don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/730">TS</a>]

00:12:11 ◼   ► worry so I think that our generation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/731">TS</a>]

00:12:14 ◼   ► safe and we will aside from the just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17 ◼   ► typical of like getting physically less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19 ◼   ► able not being able to see small text on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21 ◼   ► screen just a physical deterioration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/741">TS</a>]

00:12:22 ◼   ► aging that we'll have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/742">TS</a>]

00:12:23 ◼   ► obviously there'll be that but not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25 ◼   ► much the inability to understand to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/745">TS</a>]

00:12:30 ◼   ► up with technology because we're on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31 ◼   ► of it we're going to do you envision a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33 ◼   ► time will you just stop paying attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/753">TS</a>]

00:12:34 ◼   ► to the stuff and does not be interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36 ◼   ► in at all and not keep up anymore and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/756">TS</a>]

00:12:37 ◼   ► like yeah whatever I have now is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39 ◼   ► I'm not going to look at it again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/759">TS</a>]

00:12:40 ◼   ► then your son or grandson will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42 ◼   ► something and you'll have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43 ◼   ► it is I just don't see that happening I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45 ◼   ► don't see it happening but you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47 ◼   ► hard to predict what's gonna happen 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49 ◼   ► 30 40 years from now and where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50 ◼   ► interests will be you think after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► retire that you'll still follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55 ◼   ► technology the way that you do now yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57 ◼   ► and I use but in the thing I wrote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Steve Jobs I mentioned my grandfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01 ◼   ► and he he was one of the big reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03 ◼   ► that I got a Mac in the family he got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05 ◼   ► Mac first and then we got ours shortly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07 ◼   ► after after seeing his and he kept up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09 ◼   ► with technology basically till the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11 ◼   ► he died it was on top of it all and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12 ◼   ► is someone who didn't grow up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14 ◼   ► technology who worked for the Navy his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15 ◼   ► whole life and worked with his hands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17 ◼   ► his hobby was woodworking so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18 ◼   ► you know I think it's in my genes and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/798">TS</a>]

00:13:21 ◼   ► think it'll definitely be on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that was a big sidebar let's continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26 ◼   ► with faux all right go ahead there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28 ◼   ► couple people complaining about my could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30 ◼   ► care less couldn't care less thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32 ◼   ► is really your could care less couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/812">TS</a>]

00:13:33 ◼   ► care less thing because you were the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► who supposedly says it more often but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36 ◼   ► don't know and I could care less about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38 ◼   ► that I know yes and what I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41 ◼   ► I've talked to some people about it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► email a lot of them are disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/823">TS</a>]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that I was so lacks on it and my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46 ◼   ► in the previous thing was that the not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48 ◼   ► to the side of the fact that speech and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51 ◼   ► writing is about communication the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53 ◼   ► message that some people were getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54 ◼   ► from that though was that I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► okay to say could care less in that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58 ◼   ► that I do it willingly and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/838">TS</a>]

00:13:59 ◼   ► worried about I try not to do it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01 ◼   ► trying to avoid saying this I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02 ◼   ► suggest that you not be inaccurate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04 ◼   ► this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05 ◼   ► all I was saying was that when I make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/845">TS</a>]

00:14:06 ◼   ► this mistake which happens from time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08 ◼   ► time I'm not as upset about it as some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10 ◼   ► other people seem to be because in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12 ◼   ► particular instance I think everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14 ◼   ► knows what I mean and one of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16 ◼   ► instances that was brought up is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/856">TS</a>]

00:14:17 ◼   ► misuse of literally you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/857">TS</a>]

00:14:18 ◼   ► people you see a lot of jokes made about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that or that same thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22 ◼   ► unnecessary quotation marks and signs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and the use of the word literally to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26 ◼   ► mean the opposite I think that one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/866">TS</a>]

00:14:27 ◼   ► much worse and if I found myself ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29 ◼   ► doing that when I'd be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/869">TS</a>]

00:14:30 ◼   ► concerned simply because there's no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/870">TS</a>]

00:14:34 ◼   ► alternative and you're squat you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/874">TS</a>]

00:14:35 ◼   ► squatting on a legitimate meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37 ◼   ► whereas I was saying that I have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/877">TS</a>]

00:14:38 ◼   ► heard anybody say I could care less to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40 ◼   ► mean anything other than I couldn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42 ◼   ► less but then some people said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/882">TS</a>]

00:14:43 ◼   ► that's not actually true because then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/883">TS</a>]

00:14:44 ◼   ► think was someone from England said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46 ◼   ► my country people actually do say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47 ◼   ► could care less to mean the opposite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49 ◼   ► I couldn't care less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/889">TS</a>]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and by perverting that meaning you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52 ◼   ► squatting on top of a perfectly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54 ◼   ► phrase that other people want to use I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/894">TS</a>]

00:14:58 ◼   ► don't hear that in the u.s. like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00 ◼   ► says I couldn't care less than someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01 ◼   ► says well I could I maybe it happens I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04 ◼   ► don't know but anyway that the point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06 ◼   ► get across is that I am NOT for saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09 ◼   ► things incorrectly it's just I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11 ◼   ► there is a continuum of how bad it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14 ◼   ► and I was saying I don't beat myself up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16 ◼   ► as bad about saying could care less if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18 ◼   ► do it once in a while as I would if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20 ◼   ► found myself standing saying something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that I think is worse yes no not we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25 ◼   ► not going to talk about flammable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26 ◼   ► inflammable s Williams in the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29 ◼   ► try to get off these uh grammar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31 ◼   ► arguments so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/931">TS</a>]

00:15:34 ◼   ► one more one more follow-up so we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37 ◼   ► talked a lot about television that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38 ◼   ► our number one and TiVo and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40 ◼   ► complaints about TiVo and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and I was on the TiVo website recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44 ◼   ► trying to look up when the premiere of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46 ◼   ► The Walking Dead is I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48 ◼   ► actually in two days so I have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50 ◼   ► sure my Tebow is going to get twice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52 ◼   ► was going to the website because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53 ◼   ► sometimes it's the reason I go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54 ◼   ► website because it's so much faster to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57 ◼   ► do anything a jewel something is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59 ◼   ► anything through through the website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the website isn't great actually what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03 ◼   ► showed you just done is typed walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05 ◼   ► dead in Google and you know hit return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07 ◼   ► pick the first link and then I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09 ◼   ► when the show was premiering but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/969">TS</a>]

00:16:10 ◼   ► wanted to like make sure I had a season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11 ◼   ► pass schedule so I was going through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► website because it's infinitely faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/972">TS</a>]

00:16:13 ◼   ► use my browser even on TiVo's somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/973">TS</a>]

00:16:16 ◼   ► pokey website than it is to flip around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18 ◼   ► with a stupid remote and I saw on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/978">TS</a>]

00:16:21 ◼   ► website when I was there that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/981">TS</a>]

00:16:22 ◼   ► a new T Bo premiere product I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24 ◼   ► how old this is made have been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26 ◼   ► for a while so I apologize so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27 ◼   ► all news to everybody else but it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29 ◼   ► TiVo premiere elite if you recall the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31 ◼   ► TiVo premier is new skinnier model but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33 ◼   ► has the flash interface that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/993">TS</a>]

00:16:34 ◼   ► horrendously slow and it's filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37 ◼   ► advertisements and it's just worse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39 ◼   ► pretty much every possible way than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/999">TS</a>]

00:16:42 ◼   ► previous interface despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it is finally in HD which is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46 ◼   ► embarrassment I don't go back into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48 ◼   ► TiVo complaints but it's good that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50 ◼   ► good episode so I looked at the TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52 ◼   ► premiere and I looked at the specs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55 ◼   ► the site and here are the their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:56 ◼   ► relevance specs what makes this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59 ◼   ► elite one I'm just waiting for a TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00 ◼   ► Premiere Elite Pro Gold anyway has four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:04 ◼   ► tuners instead of two which is good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06 ◼   ► guess I don't buttons will feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:07 ◼   ► limited by two tuners but occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I'm have two tuners in use it has two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:12 ◼   ► terabytes hard drive instead of one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14 ◼   ► it's 300 hours of HD programming which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16 ◼   ► is nice bigger hard drives become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17 ◼   ► available it's nice that they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:18 ◼   ► them it has one gig of ram instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20 ◼   ► 512 again nice to see at evil actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22 ◼   ► bumping the hardware specs in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24 ◼   ► machine instead of shipping the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25 ◼   ► cruddy stuff sure but the very next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:28 ◼   ► thing I did when I saw the read those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30 ◼   ► specs is I went to Google and typed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32 ◼   ► I was like TiVo premiere elite faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:36 ◼   ► I'd wanted to see this is all I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:37 ◼   ► know is so so you got all the stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39 ◼   ► this thing faster than the other one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41 ◼   ► faster or speed versus all the one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43 ◼   ► found a good length that I put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:44 ◼   ► show notes of someone the board was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47 ◼   ► name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:47 ◼   ► your L era I shouldn't let this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49 ◼   ► happen why the tebow elite is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:54 ◼   ► faster than the TiVo premier that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57 ◼   ► music to my ears that is the exact your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59 ◼   ► exact URL that I want and here's a quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01 ◼   ► from that URL it says it says it boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:05 ◼   ► in half the time which I really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:06 ◼   ► about is on every boot but then it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07 ◼   ► you can move through the menus virtually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09 ◼   ► lag free we really like free exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13 ◼   ► what I wanted to hear because my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:14 ◼   ► complaint is it's the interface is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15 ◼   ► horrendously slow I also would like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17 ◼   ► if they got rid of all the stupid ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18 ◼   ► everywhere and it wasn't flash and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20 ◼   ► these other things right now I read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23 ◼   ► and I was very happy but then I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:24 ◼   ► thought about the old cascade dishwasher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26 ◼   ► detergent head you remember those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27 ◼   ► cascade gauges get to your dishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29 ◼   ► virtually spotless I remember that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:32 ◼   ► and that you know virtually spotless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33 ◼   ► means your dishes have spots on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that's the that's the that's the literal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38 ◼   ► translation oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40 ◼   ► so I read again you move through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43 ◼   ► menus virtually like phrase it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45 ◼   ► they're still egg and I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47 ◼   ► but it does mean that it's faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the old ones so I'm excited to see one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50 ◼   ► of these in the wild and try flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52 ◼   ► through the menus and see if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:53 ◼   ► make me want to gouge my eyes out so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:56 ◼   ► glad the TiVo is doing something instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58 ◼   ► of simply going out of business I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:01 ◼   ► glad that they continued to put ads all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03 ◼   ► over their interface and generally be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05 ◼   ► dumb that I also got these TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07 ◼   ► engagement and engagement TiVo survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09 ◼   ► things that you can sign up for where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11 ◼   ► they send you something once a month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:12 ◼   ► so and you answer survey questions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14 ◼   ► has the most in named things and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16 ◼   ► have little comment boxes but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17 ◼   ► how often to use the TiVo website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19 ◼   ► have you found our support on the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:20 ◼   ► website helpful have used our live chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22 ◼   ► support no just make your product better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25 ◼   ► about you know what do you think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27 ◼   ► should do this and I remember the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29 ◼   ► good question I ever had was once is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:30 ◼   ► think we should would you like a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to not ever show you anything at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36 ◼   ► standard-def but just show you high def [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37 ◼   ► unless there's no high def equivalent or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38 ◼   ► something I admitted even s that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like yes you should have done this years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41 ◼   ► ago your interface should be in HD you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43 ◼   ► should not show me standard def as an HD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45 ◼   ► equivalent I don't care what channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47 ◼   ► things are on find it for me huh I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► want to get into it again let me go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50 ◼   ► upset yeah so TiVo continues to lurch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:56 ◼   ► forward I'm cautiously optimistic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the Premier elite will be better I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00 ◼   ► so for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01 ◼   ► for the world and more for you yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:05 ◼   ► I'll tell you what we stopped usin we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07 ◼   ► stopped using our TiVo you just have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the kids stuff on Netflix now on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:11 ◼   ► streaming streaming and we do have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13 ◼   ► like a cable company provided DVR that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16 ◼   ► you know you're it's a fad but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19 ◼   ► faster and that's the thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20 ◼   ► getting through those menus the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it bogged down and the we I had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:26 ◼   ► external do you say eSATA or SATA no I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:32 ◼   ► would have had an answer before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34 ◼   ► before you said both of them but now my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35 ◼   ► brain is conflicted well they I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37 ◼   ► say it at all but yeah I know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38 ◼   ► mean the eSATA drive that I had added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it the external drive started to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42 ◼   ► problems like it it you know the TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:48 ◼   ► would boot and then it got into a cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51 ◼   ► where it just kept rebooting and kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► rebooting like and after like the tenth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:55 ◼   ► time of it rebooting I disconnected the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:58 ◼   ► drive and a booted fine and told me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:59 ◼   ► the drive had been disconnected and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01 ◼   ► wanted to go forward without the drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:02 ◼   ► connected that it would whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05 ◼   ► whatever the TiVo does to marry what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07 ◼   ► on the drive with what's on its internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► drive it's sort of irreversible once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:13 ◼   ► disconnect it and tell it to go forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:14 ◼   ► and I said okay and it lost all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:17 ◼   ► content that had been shared or split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20 ◼   ► across those drives and so I plugged the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23 ◼   ► drive into the machine the Mac Pro that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:24 ◼   ► I bought from Marco has an eSATA I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:28 ◼   ► say it the other way just so that I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30 ◼   ► be right half the time an eSATA port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the back of it so I connected the drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34 ◼   ► to that booted up the machine looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36 ◼   ► what was on the drive it seemed fine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37 ◼   ► had no errors reformatted it started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:41 ◼   ► trying to you know do a do a clone to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:44 ◼   ► because I figured that would put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45 ◼   ► through its paces using SuperDuper to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47 ◼   ► clone the internal drive and halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50 ◼   ► through it just sort of went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51 ◼   ► unresponsive so I set out so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53 ◼   ► I'm sure it's something wrong with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55 ◼   ► drive and packed up the TiVo and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57 ◼   ► away really it's sad that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1317">TS</a>]

00:22:01 ◼   ► supposed like nice appliance device is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03 ◼   ► supposed to be easy to use is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:04 ◼   ► harder to use than if it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06 ◼   ► just a media PC type setup because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09 ◼   ► was a PC it would have a file system you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11 ◼   ► understood it would not be this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12 ◼   ► proprietary non updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you know Linux thing but the if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16 ◼   ► just it was just a commodity product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:20 ◼   ► that happened to be configured to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22 ◼   ► record television course it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:23 ◼   ► because it's got abuses CableCARD crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and you have to get all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26 ◼   ► hoops you have to jump through to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:27 ◼   ► support cable card and it just said when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:30 ◼   ► something that's supposed to be I plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32 ◼   ► it in it just works when it when it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34 ◼   ► wrong I don't think that we should even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► allowed this external SATA stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37 ◼   ► when it goes wrong you're stuck with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39 ◼   ► situation where you even with extensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► skills with regular computers you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44 ◼   ► revive the thing like you have to send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46 ◼   ► away for the special boot disks if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:47 ◼   ► boot disk goes bad because it's gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► have the special TiVo software on it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50 ◼   ► don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that's why I so wish that Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:55 ◼   ► make one of these things but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► want to and we discuss that re so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:00 ◼   ► think you put the Siri video Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Snell's Siri demo video in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04 ◼   ► notes yeah I watched that video on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:08 ◼   ► series stuff people I've gotten feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10 ◼   ► in both directions some people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12 ◼   ► that they think there will be a series a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14 ◼   ► clash and that they understand what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16 ◼   ► was saying about it not being AI but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:19 ◼   ► people not understanding that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:20 ◼   ► people are saying it really is AI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21 ◼   ► don't understand how good it is and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22 ◼   ► people in the middle who are saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25 ◼   ► it's not going to be as bad as you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► people will understand the limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29 ◼   ► and there won't be it won't be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31 ◼   ► deal so a lot of people saw that Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33 ◼   ► video the Jason Snell did Bri sits there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► talking to the phone for 11 minutes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36 ◼   ► so and showing you what it can do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:39 ◼   ► the people who thought Siri was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41 ◼   ► be a disaster and the people who thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Syria is going to be awesome both cite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45 ◼   ► that video as proving their point I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48 ◼   ► look how great Siri is in the same exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:49 ◼   ► video the people will say look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► it shows you were right about Syria but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52 ◼   ► a disaster to clarify I don't think Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:55 ◼   ► is going to be a disaster I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56 ◼   ► tried to emphasize in the past show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58 ◼   ► think it will be extremely useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I mean ignoring the dictation thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03 ◼   ► alone which is just a huge boon where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05 ◼   ► you if you don't want to tap something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06 ◼   ► out with your fingers you can just speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it up and I use speech recognition on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09 ◼   ► Mac all the time and it's great so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11 ◼   ► love that one on the phone I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13 ◼   ► going to be extremely efficient to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15 ◼   ► able to do stuff like do little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16 ◼   ► reminders or set alarms and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that without having to tap type on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20 ◼   ► phone without having to put your greasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:21 ◼   ► little fingers on there you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23 ◼   ► use speech for it what I was afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25 ◼   ► is that people don't understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28 ◼   ► Siri is not human level intelligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► people confused when I said AI they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32 ◼   ► like well of course is artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:33 ◼   ► intelligence that's what Siri is look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35 ◼   ► these articles it comes from SR riots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36 ◼   ► from military research it's hard to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38 ◼   ► when I when I say artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39 ◼   ► intelligence I know I'm sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► overloading the term there I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43 ◼   ► human level artificial intelligence like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it's another sentient being that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47 ◼   ► talk with and that sounds silly with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49 ◼   ► like of course it's not it's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51 ◼   ► know we don't have a technology it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:52 ◼   ► it's just a computer program it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54 ◼   ► actual person but I'm afraid that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:57 ◼   ► consumers don't understand that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59 ◼   ► actually it's kind of an uncanny valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:00 ◼   ► type thing you know when it's when is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02 ◼   ► nothing like a person people like all at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03 ◼   ► really like a machine alright but as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06 ◼   ► approaches something that appears to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08 ◼   ► intelligent people will make that leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:11 ◼   ► and say oh I this is just a person I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13 ◼   ► talk to whoever I want and they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:14 ◼   ► inevitably get to a situation where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16 ◼   ► say something that another human would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:17 ◼   ► understand perfectly but Siri doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19 ◼   ► understand that again not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the recognition of their speech into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22 ◼   ► text and talking about just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23 ◼   ► semantics like Siri doesn't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25 ◼   ► what they meant or Siri does something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26 ◼   ► unexpected and then that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► jarring to them because they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29 ◼   ► they were talking with this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31 ◼   ► intelligent you know being inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33 ◼   ► phone room and then they're yanked right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35 ◼   ► out of that illusion when it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37 ◼   ► something stupid and they said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► serie is so stupid and the more times it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40 ◼   ► does that they feel betrayed by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42 ◼   ► thing that they thought was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44 ◼   ► little person and so instead of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47 ◼   ► impressed as they were that wow this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49 ◼   ► I'm talking to my phone it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51 ◼   ► understanding me and doing what I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53 ◼   ► they it's like a backlash and they say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56 ◼   ► thought it was doing what I wanted but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58 ◼   ► now I realize it's really stupid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00 ◼   ► they'll say what it's someone at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01 ◼   ► somebody think of serials a series so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:02 ◼   ► dumb I said something the other day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04 ◼   ► it did something totally random and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06 ◼   ► so stupid that's the kind of backlash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08 ◼   ► you get it's not a rational response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the quality of the product it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12 ◼   ► irrational response to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13 ◼   ► expectations being raised well above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15 ◼   ► where they should have been and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16 ◼   ► come crashing back down some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18 ◼   ► people had issues with my suggestion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that it was like a text adventure and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► said no Siri understands all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23 ◼   ► different syntaxes you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24 ◼   ► phrase things in a certain way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► which mix up your words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Jason snow in his video does the Yoda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► type speech to show that it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31 ◼   ► understands that when you you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33 ◼   ► think people are perhaps under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► estimating text adventure games better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36 ◼   ► the better interactive fiction can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38 ◼   ► understand many more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40 ◼   ► arrangements of sentences than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► the very original text adventure games I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44 ◼   ► wasn't really talking about that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45 ◼   ► are gonna have to learn that to speak in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46 ◼   ► a specific syntax low they will have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49 ◼   ► understand the world of things that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50 ◼   ► can talk to Siri about is constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:53 ◼   ► and it's not a person you can't just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55 ◼   ► can't just give it arbitrary tasks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you couldn't assist them and the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59 ◼   ► thing about Syria though is if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01 ◼   ► human assistant and you and you gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02 ◼   ► some sort of vague instruction they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► ask for clarification you can discuss it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► and you could feel confident you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07 ◼   ► them to understand what you wanted Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09 ◼   ► lets you clarify in some ways but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11 ◼   ► you're going down the wrong path you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:12 ◼   ► trying to tell s Syria to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► that has no idea what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► about and it never will you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16 ◼   ► there's no way you can clarify that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:21 ◼   ► we'll say we'll see if the Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► backlash manifests itself in any way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25 ◼   ► if people just start dazzled by the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28 ◼   ► things that do work and and don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31 ◼   ► when it fails the other thing I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► interested in is if non-technical people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► find themselves carve out a little slice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:38 ◼   ► of functionality that they find I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► technical people will they'll figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41 ◼   ► out they'll learn what it can do what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43 ◼   ► can't they'll learn which of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:44 ◼   ► things is most useful to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► they'll just sort of make a routine out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48 ◼   ► of using it for particular things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:49 ◼   ► people will decide for example I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51 ◼   ► use Siri except when I want to set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52 ◼   ► reminders because that's much faster way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54 ◼   ► to do it from here I only use Siri to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56 ◼   ► reminders to reply to short text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58 ◼   ► messages and to set alarm so when I cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59 ◼   ► my egg or you know they'll decide which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01 ◼   ► things that Siri is the most efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04 ◼   ► approach for and they'll they'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05 ◼   ► using that you know I'm I'm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06 ◼   ► embarrassed to talk to my phone whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08 ◼   ► any place other than in my house I'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:09 ◼   ► when I'm in the house but not when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:10 ◼   ► out so you know every the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► people will will figure it out I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► if the people who are not technical who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16 ◼   ► have no idea that the iPhone 4s is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18 ◼   ► came out there's a new product or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20 ◼   ► different than anything else they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:21 ◼   ► end up getting a phone like a year from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23 ◼   ► now and it's got Siri on it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26 ◼   ► playing with it or whatever if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28 ◼   ► shows it to them assuming they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:28 ◼   ► discovered at all will they find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► themselves using it or will they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34 ◼   ► play with it for five minutes and decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36 ◼   ► it's not for them that'll be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:39 ◼   ► to see how that catches on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41 ◼   ► general population there will be people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:46 ◼   ► in the chat room we're saying that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47 ◼   ► you you know we've discussed this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50 ◼   ► Siri right now is only available on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53 ◼   ► iPhone 4s if you try it on a four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you just get voice control now I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58 ◼   ► if we got into the subject but what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:02 ◼   ► you think is the reason for that is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► physical hardware limitation or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07 ◼   ► something that just sort of sweetens the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08 ◼   ► pot of the 4s so I fix it finally did to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11 ◼   ► tear down on the forest and I looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► it to see if there was anything in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that I could say was hard where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16 ◼   ► was serious specific nothing jumped out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to me doesn't mean it's not there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20 ◼   ► all I saw was just in a fivesome you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► know the memory the radio-controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:26 ◼   ► chip from Qualcomm power amplifier like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it wasn't there wasn't some chip that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30 ◼   ► was labeled by the iFixit guys as and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33 ◼   ► here's the chip that doesn't exist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:34 ◼   ► any other phones that must be there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the first serie there's plenty of reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:41 ◼   ► to limit to only a 5 devices you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:46 ◼   ► with a certain amount of memory because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47 ◼   ► I think there's some sort of memory CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:50 ◼   ► overhead for it but I think the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:53 ◼   ► reasons limited to the 4s is oh here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the mysterious thing that understands it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:58 ◼   ► supposedly is a server component Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00 ◼   ► but I haven't seen anyone technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► chop apart maybe they like sit there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05 ◼   ► sit there and watch you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:06 ◼   ► like watch the traffic and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:10 ◼   ► actually gets sent right right if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13 ◼   ► is a service exclusively gets sent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15 ◼   ► this as someone the chat room pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16 ◼   ► out that Siri was an app that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18 ◼   ► buy before was the system service so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:20 ◼   ► the fact that is the system service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22 ◼   ► means well it's got to be running all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► the time and especially for the seat the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26 ◼   ► speech synthesis takes up a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28 ◼   ► memory like just speaking if you ever go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to look at like the English Mac and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► English Victoria I don't know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34 ◼   ► called Mac and talk anymore but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35 ◼   ► actual voice files or the fought wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► files for Alex for example those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39 ◼   ► some pretty darn big files and I imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42 ◼   ► that it has to have some portion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44 ◼   ► those in memory to do speech you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47 ◼   ► when I went all right by basically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49 ◼   ► voice control on the iPhone 4 right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52 ◼   ► I'm sure that there is a limited amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55 ◼   ► of things they can say but I mean it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58 ◼   ► talks to you also does the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► that's it I don't know what but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03 ◼   ► that Syria is in beta makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06 ◼   ► anytime anything is in beta you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07 ◼   ► be used by a small subset of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09 ◼   ► worked out of it you don't want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11 ◼   ► say there was no technical limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you wouldn't put Syria on every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14 ◼   ► iOS device when it's still in beta if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15 ◼   ► you could help but you'd like to be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17 ◼   ► by the early adopters in the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18 ◼   ► possible scenario to get the kinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20 ◼   ► worked out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:21 ◼   ► and you know how Apple loves to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23 ◼   ► backport things even if old older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25 ◼   ► hardware could support it it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► easier for them from a support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:28 ◼   ► perspective this is a new feature it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30 ◼   ► not unreasonable to have it only working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32 ◼   ► on the new phone the fact that it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34 ◼   ► work on an iPad - maybe they think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► not a useful on an iPad - or maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38 ◼   ► know that the big test will be whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the iPad 3 has Siri support I assume it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:43 ◼   ► will just because by then the kinks will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45 ◼   ► be worked out and they'll say hey why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:46 ◼   ► not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:46 ◼   ► but like the iPad 2 has the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48 ◼   ► hardware specs as the iPhone 4s as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► as I can tell same amount of RAM same a5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:53 ◼   ► system on a chip that seems to be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► reason why Siri wouldn't work other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the fact that maybe they think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1918">TS</a>]

00:31:59 ◼   ► weird or silly or not useful with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02 ◼   ► iPad so we'll see what they do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► iPad 3 but now no smoking gun on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:06 ◼   ► hardware components that only exists in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the 4s to say though they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09 ◼   ► definitely never work on the iPhone 4 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11 ◼   ► anything like that our first sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14 ◼   ► today is EZ DNS and by the way it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:17 ◼   ► last time that you'll hear from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20 ◼   ► this year so I mean act act now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:26 ◼   ► easy DNS com since 1998 they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29 ◼   ► helping people register web addresses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31 ◼   ► transfer domain set up email forwarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33 ◼   ► in a course manage their DNS they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36 ◼   ► this all while providing the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► support in the business real people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:40 ◼   ► there they understand what you're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to do and they want to help and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:46 ◼   ► never want to talk to people like John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48 ◼   ► siracusa then all you need do is use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50 ◼   ► their incredible web interface you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51 ◼   ► need to talk to people and they can even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► transfer your whole domain and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► records and pull everything it's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:57 ◼   ► what they've got going on it's fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► automated so if you have domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01 ◼   ► somewhere and you're thinking oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04 ◼   ► know what I'm not ready to move because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► I've still got six months left before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08 ◼   ► expires I'm going to wait until the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► you know 45 days or something don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11 ◼   ► don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► why because you can keep your existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:16 ◼   ► time and the transfer will add a year on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it's like an early renewal but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► changes your registrar and easy DNS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:23 ◼   ► does not discard the remaining time some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25 ◼   ► do you can check these guys out at easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27 ◼   ► DNS comm / 5x5 and when you're there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you use the coupon code five by five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35 ◼   ► you will get ten bucks off so go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► check it out thank you very much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40 ◼   ► those guys for sponsoring they told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the other day they're really happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43 ◼   ► the response oh it sounds like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44 ◼   ► you guys have have tried them out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47 ◼   ► really appreciate that and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► appreciate that and I think you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50 ◼   ► appreciate the service so thanks very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:51 ◼   ► much to those guys he's DNS couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► people in a chat room have mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► other uses for Syria I've seen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59 ◼   ► mentioned many times Siri seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01 ◼   ► really obvious fit for a future Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04 ◼   ► because that their big problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► Apple TV is always some always always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08 ◼   ► the interface they give you that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► 5 way switch with the you know Direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12 ◼   ► pad and a little button and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14 ◼   ► wanted to be but no one wants to down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► down down left left left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17 ◼   ► select left's like that no one wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19 ◼   ► do that when you just want to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21 ◼   ► something quickly it would be great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you could turn on your Apple TV and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24 ◼   ► yell out the name of a program and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:25 ◼   ► would understand you and start playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it or ask for clarification you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► which episode blah blah blah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:31 ◼   ► interface television problem has not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► been solved and every solution I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36 ◼   ► tried a lot of the better ones involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► some expensive breakable like a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41 ◼   ► control with your iPad control with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43 ◼   ► iPod Touch that's a pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45 ◼   ► expensive thing for $99 bucks or gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46 ◼   ► have a big expensive LCD control way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► it and you know unless the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52 ◼   ► exists solely on your iPad you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54 ◼   ► want to be looking up at the TV and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:55 ◼   ► swiping down something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► so boys control the natural fit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58 ◼   ► certainly Macs have enough power to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00 ◼   ► series so again it's question of once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03 ◼   ► applicants the kinks worked out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and it's out of beta does it appear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 does it appear in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:07 ◼   ► major version does it appear as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► update to 10/7 what would you use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11 ◼   ► like it seems it would be useful for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12 ◼   ► Mac's - if you're not if you're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14 ◼   ► home office or whatever you if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15 ◼   ► tell your Macintosh just set up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16 ◼   ► reminder an appointment or even just set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19 ◼   ► a timer and remind you of all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► things you can do on an iPhone it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21 ◼   ► well on the Mac you would just click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► Cal and enter the blob well it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► be nice to be able to use those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:26 ◼   ► speech for that - granted it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28 ◼   ► annoying to type out things and click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30 ◼   ► things with the mouse and keyboard as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31 ◼   ► is to do with a tiny on-screen keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33 ◼   ► on an iPhone but it's still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35 ◼   ► annoying and if you could talk to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37 ◼   ► would work I think people would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38 ◼   ► do that what would be the the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:41 ◼   ► interface for the Apple TV I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44 ◼   ► wouldn't have a microphone and you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46 ◼   ► Apple TV put on yeah that's that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49 ◼   ► of that like the Kinect problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51 ◼   ► connected the sim for the Xbox that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► similar problem you have to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54 ◼   ► something near the television that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56 ◼   ► people who are kind of far away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58 ◼   ► television control right so the Kinect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01 ◼   ► you're standing a couple feet away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02 ◼   ► you're moving your body and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04 ◼   ► forth and it could be things between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06 ◼   ► and the television and you're far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:07 ◼   ► and Kinect has audio as well you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► eliminate noise figure out who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10 ◼   ► speaker is that you know it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13 ◼   ► guy to the side of you who's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14 ◼   ► about you should pay attention to as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15 ◼   ► people in front it these are all hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17 ◼   ► problems that may actually be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19 ◼   ► harder than the software problem of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21 ◼   ► install the Siri software the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23 ◼   ► of like how do how do we put a mic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25 ◼   ► some other sensors in there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:28 ◼   ► like that like the Kinect has a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:29 ◼   ► IR sensors in there and a mic plus maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32 ◼   ► a camera like Kinect is the first device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34 ◼   ► that's trying to do that Kinect has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36 ◼   ► several cameras and IR sprayer and IR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39 ◼   ► sprayer yes that sprays the whole room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41 ◼   ► with IR and looks it with two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42 ◼   ► cameras and multiple microphones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:43 ◼   ► eliminate noise stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45 ◼   ► that's a pretty large heavy weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► expensive solution is there something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48 ◼   ► Apple could do with a little tiny $99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51 ◼   ► brick it would also give acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52 ◼   ► performance you can't just take a mic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the thing yeah it's very least you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► to for a noise elimination but even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58 ◼   ► might be no good the last thing you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01 ◼   ► is someone to be sitting in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02 ◼   ► television yelling oh people yelled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:03 ◼   ► television anybody yelling of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:04 ◼   ► television and expecting something then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06 ◼   ► does that mean that if you have an iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08 ◼   ► Touch or an iPhone that you have to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10 ◼   ► it you you configure it or do Jigar it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12 ◼   ► around somehow that you're talking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14 ◼   ► that and it's talking to be Abe now let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:17 ◼   ► me ask you this do these iPod Touches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► that you have can they do airplay onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the Apple TV pretty well I don't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25 ◼   ► Apple TV but they have one of them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27 ◼   ► can adjust like an iPhone because I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30 ◼   ► way that this is integrated now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32 ◼   ► just it's a blue it blew my kid's mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► that all of a sudden out of the blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37 ◼   ► there's a video of him on on the TV like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:41 ◼   ► he's seen videos of him on the iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43 ◼   ► he's seen videos of him on the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► on the computers and like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that big of a deal to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49 ◼   ► but all of a sudden seen a video of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:52 ◼   ► or his little baby sister on the big TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55 ◼   ► he felt I could tell he felt like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57 ◼   ► movie star you know like he loved it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00 ◼   ► was just he was jumping up and down he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► was beside himself uh if they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► airplay you would think it wouldn't be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07 ◼   ► big deal to capture some a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10 ◼   ► audio and send that to the Apple TV that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► gets back to the what the having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► really expensive remote your iPod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17 ◼   ► costs two hundred three hundred bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and using with a $99 device the remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21 ◼   ► is more expensive more fragile than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23 ◼   ► thing and put you want to sell someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► an Apple TV and say here's the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26 ◼   ► need you can use it right you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:27 ◼   ► say here's an Apple TV oh and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► if you have a $300 phone or iPod Touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32 ◼   ► you get all these other features and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34 ◼   ► can talk to it oh I can I talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► $99 one why can't you build that in or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37 ◼   ► whatever having having some other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40 ◼   ► that is also expensive or that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43 ◼   ► accessory that not everyone will have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► a problem for the simplicity of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► product I don't I don't think these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:51 ◼   ► technical barriers are surmountable I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53 ◼   ► just not sure Apple thinks is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55 ◼   ► be ready for primetime maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56 ◼   ► playing with it but you know Apple they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► don't like to release they wouldn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59 ◼   ► tack on a couple mics and install Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► on it because it because it will run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04 ◼   ► say hey Apple TV 3 now with Siri and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06 ◼   ► should kind of work but if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07 ◼   ► just use the remote they would want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09 ◼   ► do it like they do with the phone it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11 ◼   ► the phone you know the iPhone 4s it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13 ◼   ► fast it's got enough memory you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15 ◼   ► right into it you don't put the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:16 ◼   ► on the other side of the room and sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:17 ◼   ► down on the couch and try to use Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18 ◼   ► that's not going to work you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:19 ◼   ► right there it's an ideal situation so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:25 ◼   ► everyone thinks speech would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27 ◼   ► for the Apple TV I'm just not sure Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► will agree for a generation or two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the of the device and as I said before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I'm probably going to get an Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34 ◼   ► three assuming it still has no fan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► it's nice and everything every what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37 ◼   ► really like isn't it's an RF remote or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39 ◼   ► Bluetooth remote or something other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:40 ◼   ► IR because they make this little black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43 ◼   ► box that'd be great to hide somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44 ◼   ► but you got to have the IR sensor poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46 ◼   ► out what else you got this will all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► still follow up really main topic today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56 ◼   ► I thought Oh in our remaining time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58 ◼   ► thought I would talk about Dart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you know about dart dart is this brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04 ◼   ► new JavaScript infrastructure platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:08 ◼   ► library that Google has just announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:12 ◼   ► and released into the world and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14 ◼   ► well I say just an internet time it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17 ◼   ► like 10 years ago but I think was last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:18 ◼   ► week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19 ◼   ► yeah but been a good chance to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21 ◼   ► about it because there were other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:21 ◼   ► going on but I figure it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24 ◼   ► discussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25 ◼   ► so I currently or in the past Google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► done a couple of weird things to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32 ◼   ► their web applications they had have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35 ◼   ► in-house toolkit that's also available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37 ◼   ► to the public I believe where you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40 ◼   ► your applications using Java like actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42 ◼   ► Java and they have a compiler that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45 ◼   ► translate that to JavaScript so it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46 ◼   ► run in the browser and so they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► use all the tools that have been built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51 ◼   ► up around Java and write their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52 ◼   ► applications in that language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54 ◼   ► language they like better and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:55 ◼   ► translates it to you know compressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58 ◼   ► minified obfuscated JavaScript that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:02 ◼   ► know runs an application I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► Gmail does this Gmail might use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:04 ◼   ► something slightly different but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:05 ◼   ► have they have GWT which is their Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:07 ◼   ► web toolkit which is this Java thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10 ◼   ► they have similar tools that they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13 ◼   ► in-house so if you ever look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14 ◼   ► source code for Gmail the gmail web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:19 ◼   ► is just a mess and you're like no human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20 ◼   ► wrote that's very similar to Google+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22 ◼   ► it's clear that they're using tools that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23 ◼   ► produce this stuff now dart looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:27 ◼   ► another crack at the same type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29 ◼   ► problem they don't they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31 ◼   ► write the application using JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34 ◼   ► they want to write it in what they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► is a better language with better tooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38 ◼   ► and then in the case of dart this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:42 ◼   ► internal memo that leaked a while back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44 ◼   ► was internal Google memo was saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47 ◼   ► what they want is they want Java Script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:48 ◼   ► to be a better language but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:49 ◼   ► feel like they can make JavaScript a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51 ◼   ► better language because they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:52 ◼   ► control over the process and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53 ◼   ► they think that you can't evolve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55 ◼   ► language as it exists today into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57 ◼   ► that they find acceptable so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58 ◼   ► they're going to try to do is make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00 ◼   ► language and they'll make their new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02 ◼   ► language compile to JavaScript so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04 ◼   ► it will run on other browsers but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► they plan to do is on their browser on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09 ◼   ► Google Chrome make dart run natively so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11 ◼   ► they're going to try to write their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12 ◼   ► applications in dart like not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13 ◼   ► there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14 ◼   ► of applications that Google users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:15 ◼   ► encourage other people to write their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17 ◼   ► applications in dart and say hey use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:18 ◼   ► dart it's a better language you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20 ◼   ► still target every browser because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22 ◼   ► will compile the dart into JavaScript so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24 ◼   ► it will run on other browsers but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:27 ◼   ► run your if someone runs your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28 ◼   ► application using Chrome it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29 ◼   ► eventually I don't think they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► native VM oh yeah but it will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► have a native VM for Dart that'll you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34 ◼   ► know be faster lower memory use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36 ◼   ► better features all all the things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37 ◼   ► wanted of JavaScript they can't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39 ◼   ► think they can't get so the first one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42 ◼   ► internal memo leaks and people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43 ◼   ► really know about dart there was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:44 ◼   ► hubbub about you know you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:47 ◼   ► fork the web the web is supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the platform without a vendor it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51 ◼   ► open platform we don't want anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:52 ◼   ► controlling the web even if it's Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54 ◼   ► someone we may or may not like but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57 ◼   ► know it's not so no vendor is supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58 ◼   ► to control the web it's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00 ◼   ► open so we don't like the idea of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:01 ◼   ► company making a new language and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► we're going to replace JavaScript which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04 ◼   ► has been this you know this great boon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06 ◼   ► to the web and web applications because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09 ◼   ► it's a standards body controls it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:12 ◼   ► just you know everyone supports it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► you could target target any web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15 ◼   ► with it and now Google wants to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17 ◼   ► their own thing we don't like that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:18 ◼   ► don't like you know I'm imagine if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20 ◼   ► had done this in the old days so oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21 ◼   ► there it goes Apple again making their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22 ◼   ► proprietary stuff they can't use open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24 ◼   ► standards they have to have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25 ◼   ► thing so there was a lot of backlash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28 ◼   ► from that and then I think a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31 ◼   ► ago they released the specs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33 ◼   ► language and said okay well here that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35 ◼   ► thing we were talking about while back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:36 ◼   ► where everyone was getting angry well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► here's the actual language so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:38 ◼   ► could finally take a look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39 ◼   ► language and start talking about it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41 ◼   ► isolation ignoring the fact of whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43 ◼   ► it's a good idea to try to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44 ◼   ► JavaScript or control the web stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:47 ◼   ► that what was the language like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49 ◼   ► language any good I've tried to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:54 ◼   ► as much as I can about the language but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55 ◼   ► I haven't actually used it to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57 ◼   ► anything so I can't say too much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it except to link to other people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01 ◼   ► opinion so in the show notes they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02 ◼   ► one person's analysis of the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that happens to be a a Perl person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07 ◼   ► because I tend to travel in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08 ◼   ► circles and I also trust Perl people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:11 ◼   ► views on languages simply because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:14 ◼   ► I've said in previous programs I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:15 ◼   ► especially people involved in Perl six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18 ◼   ► are on I don't excite the cutting edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22 ◼   ► but they're on sort of the bleeding edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24 ◼   ► so what you're saying Perl developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:25 ◼   ► are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the cutting-edge of six developers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28 ◼   ► particular on the bleeding edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► language design because they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32 ◼   ► luxury of being that way because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33 ◼   ► don't they don't have a language that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you Justin use by thousands of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and it's kind of its kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:40 ◼   ► research project you know I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42 ◼   ► to get in trouble with the projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43 ◼   ► people I said there's no implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:44 ◼   ► there is you can download it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:45 ◼   ► not complete it's not you know is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47 ◼   ► ready for production what does that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48 ◼   ► mean I don't even get into that debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:49 ◼   ► but the point is Perl 6 has lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:52 ◼   ► interesting advanced features a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53 ◼   ► that's not caught up with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54 ◼   ► languages that had to exist in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55 ◼   ► world most of the ones we're using today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57 ◼   ► were invented a long long time ago like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59 ◼   ► JavaScript is from the 90s so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:00 ◼   ► that's a relatively young language but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02 ◼   ► is still decade or more old right and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05 ◼   ► was created kind of on a whim by a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07 ◼   ► who I don't know how many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:08 ◼   ► languages was a Brendan Eich Brendan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11 ◼   ► Eich someone in any chatroom will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:13 ◼   ► correct me but the creator of JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:14 ◼   ► was not someone who had who was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16 ◼   ► language designer by trade and created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18 ◼   ► tons of languages I don't think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20 ◼   ► it's kind of it's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:21 ◼   ► accidental it's like well that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23 ◼   ► that got popular shipped in Netscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Navigator has Java in the name because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26 ◼   ► Java was popular back then it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:27 ◼   ► it's this weird tortured history and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30 ◼   ► talked about this in the unproduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:31 ◼   ► programming shows like the languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that are popular are not popular because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34 ◼   ► of the quality of the language is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36 ◼   ► popular for reasons that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38 ◼   ► unrelated to the qualities language but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► turn out to be much more important in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41 ◼   ► terms of adoption developer tools the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43 ◼   ► platform was built on what you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45 ◼   ► this language for accidents of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47 ◼   ► right place right time someone the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50 ◼   ► room is saying javascript was his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52 ◼   ► try and I was Brendan Eich so Google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:56 ◼   ► not been afraid to make new languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57 ◼   ► they made that new go language because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59 ◼   ► they thought C was low clunky I'm afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► to shave off a couple the sharp edges to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02 ◼   ► see it could be really cool and add some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:03 ◼   ► concurrency and make a nice 2d program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► and their content to sort of use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07 ◼   ► in-house all right so with dart the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:10 ◼   ► this the thing I linked to from a perl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12 ◼   ► guy he's comparing it to any time a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15 ◼   ► language comes out understandably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17 ◼   ► peril six guy or someone familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like the cutting edge of languages is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19 ◼   ► going to say all right so this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22 ◼   ► language supported by a big company if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24 ◼   ► anybody has the clout to make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26 ◼   ► successful or to at least make a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28 ◼   ► environment with good tools and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30 ◼   ► stuff it's a big company like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:31 ◼   ► right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32 ◼   ► so let's see if this language is cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34 ◼   ► and has all the cool stuff that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that you know for example some cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37 ◼   ► stuff from Perl 6 that is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► anywhere in Perl 6 it seems like right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40 ◼   ► now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:40 ◼   ► we'll be great at Google behind a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41 ◼   ► similar language and the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43 ◼   ► into other languages to look at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► why people aren't a Haskell or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46 ◼   ► functional programming languages or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48 ◼   ► closure or you know any of these new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:52 ◼   ► modern languages that have things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54 ◼   ► make language nerds excited when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57 ◼   ► those people look at dart what they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59 ◼   ► is not something that's very exciting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01 ◼   ► them the functional programming people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03 ◼   ► and the mathematicians don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06 ◼   ► because it doesn't push all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07 ◼   ► buttons about provable correctness with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the type system and all sorts of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11 ◼   ► mathematical concepts that they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13 ◼   ► are essential for a good programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15 ◼   ► language the dark decides is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► essential and they and dart comes around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and says we we didn't do those things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20 ◼   ► don't think it's important to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22 ◼   ► kind of a type system sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24 ◼   ► and the Perl six people look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26 ◼   ► say well it's it's class-based and uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28 ◼   ► interfaces just like Java and didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30 ◼   ► all learn that interfaces are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32 ◼   ► lame and you know class space oo is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:35 ◼   ► great and you know Perl systems I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:38 ◼   ► to use roles everyone knows about roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and traits and stuff I think we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42 ◼   ► talked about in previous shows they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:43 ◼   ► much better than classes in interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46 ◼   ► then the type system even even the Perl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48 ◼   ► six people come down in that they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:49 ◼   ► well you got this typing words like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:50 ◼   ► optional typing which on its server this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52 ◼   ► looks a lot like what Perl 6 wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54 ◼   ► what Perl 6 wants to do is have optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:57 ◼   ► types for things like have an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59 ◼   ► type system but it's optional you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02 ◼   ► just say I was just a variable and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03 ◼   ► we'll figure it out and the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05 ◼   ► of the types in Perl 6 or one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06 ◼   ► points one of the parts that I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07 ◼   ► most excited about personally about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09 ◼   ► types and Pro 6 was that it was supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► to give the language enough information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:13 ◼   ► to potentially do optimizations so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16 ◼   ► you say something is an integer it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18 ◼   ► maybe use a native integer for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19 ◼   ► internally and not have to treat it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► a big magic variable that could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► number could be a string could be any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the other things but in dart the types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27 ◼   ► are really optional in that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29 ◼   ► basically don't matter it's just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31 ◼   ► like a form of documentation the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that I linked to with the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:35 ◼   ► criticizing dark holes at feeble typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► and so instead of weak typing or strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38 ◼   ► typing or static typing or dynamic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40 ◼   ► think it's feeble typing it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42 ◼   ► barely there it's almost just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43 ◼   ► form of execution form of execution form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46 ◼   ► of documentation and they have a static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49 ◼   ► type checker that you can run on it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50 ◼   ► it doesn't actually call your program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► not to be compiled if you have a type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► just kind of like a helpful aid and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the dark Google presents art is like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:59 ◼   ► you can start out with like a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00 ◼   ► program where you don't care about types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:01 ◼   ► and just prototype but then as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02 ◼   ► becomes a serious application of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► you add types and then our static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► checker will check that your types are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07 ◼   ► correct and so on and so forth but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09 ◼   ► the end it's going to compile the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:10 ◼   ► JavaScript which has no concept of types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► like that uh and it's not you know so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► doesn't doesn't make anybody happy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:17 ◼   ► doesn't make the dynamic programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18 ◼   ► people happy because even they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:19 ◼   ► optional types should be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21 ◼   ► apparel sex and it doesn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22 ◼   ► functional programming or statically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24 ◼   ► type people happy because because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26 ◼   ► not the bondage and discipline that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27 ◼   ► want and it's not functionally pure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29 ◼   ► provably correct and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31 ◼   ► Haskell people and everything on what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34 ◼   ► wanted one of the funnier things that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36 ◼   ► pointed out about it which I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:37 ◼   ► affect up on my own but he did is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38 ◼   ► uh so you've been a programmer for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41 ◼   ► while right now I guess I mean started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► when I was a little kid so when you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45 ◼   ► to want to do an infinite loop you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:49 ◼   ► to write an infinite loop that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:50 ◼   ► going to break out of internally on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► condition all right what what construct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:54 ◼   ► you use for that an infinite loop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► would use I mean something that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58 ◼   ► to check for something and then bust out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► of it you would you say well maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► while right and what would you put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03 ◼   ► conditional for the while if you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it to never break out yeah you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:07 ◼   ► break it all just ruling it well false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09 ◼   ► it's usually false depends on language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► so no quiz I'm just well this is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:16 ◼   ► check for the condition it is you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17 ◼   ► going to be true anymore and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18 ◼   ► bust out of it no but like it so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20 ◼   ► going to write an outer loop that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21 ◼   ► infinite and then inside it you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23 ◼   ► to say if some condition blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you're going to break out it likes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27 ◼   ► yeah so so the loop the loop itself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29 ◼   ► you have to write a loop that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30 ◼   ► entered on the first try and unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32 ◼   ► there's some flow control tied inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the loop how will it break out so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35 ◼   ► you've said they while people chatting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► awhile true or wild one right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40 ◼   ► inside you break out of it right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:43 ◼   ► if you are a programming stickler nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:48 ◼   ► obsessive-compulsive that would be me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51 ◼   ► early on your programming career you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► would have run across people who said oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55 ◼   ► actually and this is like C in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57 ◼   ► particular but lots of languages borrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59 ◼   ► from C oh don't don't do wild one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01 ◼   ► instead do four open paren semicolon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► semicolon closed parens have you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06 ◼   ► that construct before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:07 ◼   ► right and I'll say that's better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that you know we don't want magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10 ◼   ► numbers in our code we don't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12 ◼   ► while one they're right because what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► what if someday one is in true aníbal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15 ◼   ► right which sounds ridiculous but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18 ◼   ► you're obsessive and a nerd you say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:19 ◼   ► you know what for semicolon semicolon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21 ◼   ► actually is cleaner because it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22 ◼   ► require any magic numbers and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24 ◼   ► clean construct and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:25 ◼   ► idiomatic and I like idioms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:27 ◼   ► programming languages so for years I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:28 ◼   ► been doing in in you know I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:31 ◼   ► even done in Perl but you know in C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32 ◼   ► based languages and stuff doing for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34 ◼   ► empty for instead of while one just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37 ◼   ► because it pushes my anal retentive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39 ◼   ► buttons about cleanliness and semantics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42 ◼   ► and everything but if anyone challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44 ◼   ► me on that I'm going to go what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46 ◼   ► mean if one isn't false that's so stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48 ◼   ► obviously won't you like yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49 ◼   ► not going to change the language so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51 ◼   ► one is false while one but then suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53 ◼   ► your program breaks because one it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:54 ◼   ► false it's stupid right well in dart the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57 ◼   ► only value that that is true in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:00 ◼   ► boolean sense is the they have a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02 ◼   ► keyword true the put literal boolean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04 ◼   ► true everything else is false including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:05 ◼   ► one so if you do if one or while one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:08 ◼   ► block of that will not execute because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10 ◼   ► one is not true right so this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:15 ◼   ► like a weird vindication of the Indian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► or retentive practice of using an empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20 ◼   ► for loop or something as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22 ◼   ► conditional because here's a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:23 ◼   ► where literally while one you want into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that loop or if one you will not people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27 ◼   ► not execute that conditional which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29 ◼   ► just kind of perverse yeah they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31 ◼   ► other weird stuff going on in language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32 ◼   ► too where they have operator overloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► but not type coercion overloading so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36 ◼   ► can have situations where this is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38 ◼   ► article too where you can have if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► equals equals a have that condition be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► false because there's no type coercion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and and someone overrode that operator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:47 ◼   ► lots of weird stuff that has it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► do with the fact that it has to compile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51 ◼   ► the JavaScript I assume but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54 ◼   ► line on dart as a language is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57 ◼   ► don't think many people are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59 ◼   ► excited about dart the language itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01 ◼   ► you said if you just said ignore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:02 ◼   ► know this come out of nowhere here's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the language and I call it dark people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05 ◼   ► would say this is a cruddy language to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06 ◼   ► take some of the things I hate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07 ◼   ► Java and some of the things I hate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► C and C++ and pushes them into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10 ◼   ► weird Frankenstein beasts and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► understand why you have these crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13 ◼   ► typing rules they don't make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14 ◼   ► to me and I don't like your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16 ◼   ► nobody is excited about this language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the only thing that's excited about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:19 ◼   ► it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21 ◼   ► ended usage like oh so I see you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24 ◼   ► going to replace JavaScript with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25 ◼   ► and you're going to make better tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27 ◼   ► this and this could be potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28 ◼   ► faster than JavaScript it'll be easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30 ◼   ► to write in the JavaScript for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:31 ◼   ► reasons and you can make serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► applications with it because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:34 ◼   ► these types and all those other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36 ◼   ► maybe then you could get excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38 ◼   ► it like I think the people are most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40 ◼   ► excited about obviously is Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41 ◼   ► because they are already writing web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42 ◼   ► applications using language other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► JavaScript and then targeting JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and they would like to get rid of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48 ◼   ► targeting JavaScript part at least on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► their own browsers they want to write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51 ◼   ► a language that is close enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► JavaScript that it can produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54 ◼   ► JavaScript and not be horrendously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:55 ◼   ► inefficient but eventually will run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58 ◼   ► natively in the browser that they own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59 ◼   ► does they'll build in a dart VM and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02 ◼   ► think the excitement level for Dart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04 ◼   ► takes a huge drop as soon as you leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06 ◼   ► Google because for other people to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► well I'm not excited about then you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10 ◼   ► look at the big picture I'm not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:10 ◼   ► excited about Google making the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12 ◼   ► language for the web and controlling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14 ◼   ► and I'm also not really excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15 ◼   ► dark the language that doesn't look that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17 ◼   ► interesting and one of the other links I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19 ◼   ► have in the show notes is someone did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:20 ◼   ► hello world in dart which you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22 ◼   ► tiger to write a main function and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► print hello world it's all very Jabba [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like that very Java well that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27 ◼   ► more like see like Lee's you know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:28 ◼   ► make a class I don't think that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► Java like but someone compiled that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:33 ◼   ► JavaScript center so what does hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:34 ◼   ► will look like when you compile the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:35 ◼   ► JavaScript in the output I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37 ◼   ► is kind of silly because it's the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39 ◼   ► case scenario so you've made a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► little snippet of code you know print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42 ◼   ► hello world but to target JavaScript the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:45 ◼   ► dart compiler has to build this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47 ◼   ► world up they build the world of dart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► and then execute your little whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► in it so the JavaScript it produces is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52 ◼   ► this huge pages upon pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54 ◼   ► boilerplate and stuff is implementing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:55 ◼   ► the language just for your hello world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57 ◼   ► so the overhead for using dart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59 ◼   ► targeting JavaScript aside all darts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00 ◼   ► created hey it'll just produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► JavaScript if you want to target other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03 ◼   ► browsers well there's a minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04 ◼   ► threshold of application size that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07 ◼   ► have to pass before it makes sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► use dart and target JavaScript because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you're not going to do it on a web page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12 ◼   ► that previously had you know ten lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14 ◼   ► of jQuery and so I ran jQuery is huge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16 ◼   ► write but presumably if you use Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► URL so that it might already be cached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20 ◼   ► on the client but it seems like dart is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:25 ◼   ► definitely targeting the kind of web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:26 ◼   ► applications the Google writes big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27 ◼   ► applications it's not just like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► web page with something that animates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:30 ◼   ► it's like Gmail or Google Docs or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32 ◼   ► something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:33 ◼   ► so to the extent that there are other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36 ◼   ► companies out there that a red big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39 ◼   ► humongous web applications like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► does and B don't mind writing them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43 ◼   ► top of a technology controlled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45 ◼   ► someone who could potentially be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46 ◼   ► competitor then and C don't mind not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:50 ◼   ► being excited by the language itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:51 ◼   ► that is I guess the target market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53 ◼   ► Dart so I expect dart not to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56 ◼   ► replace JavaScript as the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58 ◼   ► language and probably not to be used by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01 ◼   ► many people outside Google and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03 ◼   ► that's fine because Google should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06 ◼   ► making cool internal tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:07 ◼   ► publishing them in the hopes that hey of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09 ◼   ► other people like it and maybe it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10 ◼   ► help them make them better so and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12 ◼   ► all for a replacement for JavaScript I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15 ◼   ► just not excited about this replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17 ◼   ► for JavaScript and I'm not excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the way Google's seen the googles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21 ◼   ► apparent motivation and goals for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:24 ◼   ► replacing javascript in this way like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26 ◼   ► seems like they're using it to wrest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27 ◼   ► control if you if you read that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29 ◼   ► memo about dart that's also linked from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30 ◼   ► one of the links in the show notes about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32 ◼   ► dart you can see it's kind of shady it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34 ◼   ► like how can we take control of the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36 ◼   ► sort of through a side door by replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:40 ◼   ► JavaScript and not participating in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41 ◼   ► process and we just wanted your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:42 ◼   ► thing and then seed it out to the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:45 ◼   ► because now we control the browser and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47 ◼   ► we can build this languages into if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:48 ◼   ► make it really fast and everyone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49 ◼   ► just have to use it because it'll be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51 ◼   ► much better on it yeah so not excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:57 ◼   ► about Dart not good not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59 ◼   ► using it anytime soon I don't know might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02 ◼   ► be fun to play with but I have dim hopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05 ◼   ► for it I'm not the most thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:06 ◼   ► disappointed if dart was a really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► language then it could be like yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:09 ◼   ► kind of evil looks like they're forking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11 ◼   ► the web and blah blah but wow what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12 ◼   ► cool language you'd be excited about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14 ◼   ► from that perspective right it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16 ◼   ► not exciting to me it seems it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18 ◼   ► like someone would only be exciting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:19 ◼   ► people who really love Java and C++ and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21 ◼   ► Google has tons of people who love Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► and C++ but that's not me okay and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3443">TS</a>]

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01:00:19 ◼   ► connections and bring them up and tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3619">TS</a>]

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01:00:23 ◼   ► cell number they will just make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► efficient connection over the cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3624">TS</a>]

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01:00:30 ◼   ► leave all the traffic and just generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32 ◼   ► provide a nicer web experience as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3632">TS</a>]

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01:00:39 ◼   ► big server-side company Amazon stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3639">TS</a>]

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01:00:46 ◼   ► amazon.com to sell stuff and they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3646">TS</a>]

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01:03:34 ◼   ► content you buy in one place it shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36 ◼   ► in the other place I've got we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38 ◼   ► iMac that is dedicated just just for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:42 ◼   ► to sync up devices with and it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:44 ◼   ► music and video library on it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46 ◼   ► all all we do with it and that way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48 ◼   ► always available and the Apple TVs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:52 ◼   ► everything else can get to it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:53 ◼   ► just sort of sits there and is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55 ◼   ► media machine and uh you know it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3835">TS</a>]

01:04:01 ◼   ► because it it automatically gets like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:04 ◼   ► bought as a test I bought something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07 ◼   ► the on with my iPhone there was a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:12 ◼   ► or something I can't remember what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:13 ◼   ► was maybe maybe even some of the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15 ◼   ► and they're just they just later on they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:16 ◼   ► just showed up on the machine is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19 ◼   ► works works beautifully perfect no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:23 ◼   ► problems I was pretty desperate to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25 ◼   ► iOS 5 on my device instantly because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27 ◼   ► wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:27 ◼   ► stop connecting them with the USB cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29 ◼   ► to a computer with iTunes because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32 ◼   ► had a lot of problems with syncing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34 ◼   ► mentioned like sometimes you even try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:35 ◼   ► update the OS it fails and you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36 ◼   ► it again well alright iPad has had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39 ◼   ► thing where you plug it in and as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:40 ◼   ► as you plug it in immediately says all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42 ◼   ► right backing up and then it sits in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43 ◼   ► that backing up phase like forever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45 ◼   ► way longer than you think it should on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:46 ◼   ► step one of five backing up and it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:48 ◼   ► there so if you look at the console log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:49 ◼   ► I was seeing all these USB MUX error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52 ◼   ► messages and CF network negative one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54 ◼   ► rate all sorts of scary looking error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56 ◼   ► messages and it were just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:57 ◼   ► terminate and you're like obviously to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:00 ◼   ► update the next OS you have to connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02 ◼   ► it to our just like this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03 ◼   ► the last time that I connect this iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05 ◼   ► to this computer prism sick of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:06 ◼   ► it shouldn't take this long I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08 ◼   ► what it's doing it seems to be having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:09 ◼   ► some sort of problem I don't and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:10 ◼   ► worst thing is if you give up and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:11 ◼   ► yank it out and disconnect it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13 ◼   ► forever it's like I can't sync because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16 ◼   ► the sync process is already going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:17 ◼   ► if you restart your computer doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19 ◼   ► help because it's like a process on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:20 ◼   ► iPads you got a like hard reset the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22 ◼   ► and let it reboot and then reboot your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24 ◼   ► computer and then try it again and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26 ◼   ► of decide how long you're going to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:27 ◼   ► so I really wanted to get away from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:29 ◼   ► because connecting through USB has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:32 ◼   ► been fun for me with a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34 ◼   ► different devices but our iPad has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35 ◼   ► the worst for some unknown reason so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:38 ◼   ► wanted to get iCloud on there the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:41 ◼   ► problem I added this is confidence a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:42 ◼   ► launch day thing but like yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:43 ◼   ► Downloads are really slow and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45 ◼   ► because my connections like when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47 ◼   ► everything was going so like maybe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:48 ◼   ► ASPI is having a problem so I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:49 ◼   ► the speed test websites and my speed was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51 ◼   ► just it would say 30 megabits down no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53 ◼   ► problem here I'm 20 something up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55 ◼   ► connection is fine while the download is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57 ◼   ► going it was trickling along so it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:58 ◼   ► four and a half hours to like download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00 ◼   ► all the updates but then once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02 ◼   ► updates were downloaded as soon as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04 ◼   ► plug the iPad in it started to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06 ◼   ► the iPad instead of trying to back it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:09 ◼   ► first or maybe was using a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:10 ◼   ► backer there was like a different dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12 ◼   ► box it was like the modal dialog box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:13 ◼   ► that pops up in front of iTunes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15 ◼   ► I don't know I don't want to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:15 ◼   ► iTunes anymore but it did eventually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:18 ◼   ► updated and signed in with our iCloud ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21 ◼   ► that whole business about what the which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:24 ◼   ► Apple IDs you can use for which things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26 ◼   ► kind of confusing but I'm also kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28 ◼   ► glad that they made it as flexible as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:30 ◼   ► is because we have a shared Apple ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32 ◼   ► that we use for all our purchases so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34 ◼   ► when I buy something she can use on her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:35 ◼   ► devices and so on but for iCloud you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37 ◼   ► really want to have separate things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38 ◼   ► each person otherwise her contacts will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:41 ◼   ► be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:41 ◼   ► sing with mine and all the other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:42 ◼   ► right so you can have a separate Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44 ◼   ► ID that you use to buy apps and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46 ◼   ► go to the store preferences enter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48 ◼   ► that can be different than the Apple ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:49 ◼   ► that you use I don't know what you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:52 ◼   ► like your device Apple ID the one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:53 ◼   ► use to sort of initialize the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55 ◼   ► that's that just you that's you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:58 ◼   ► your your entity is that app ID but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00 ◼   ► the story can still use another one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02 ◼   ► for the things that I've done so far she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04 ◼   ► doesn't use iCloud mail but she does we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07 ◼   ► did use it for the contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09 ◼   ► everything I turn it on the backup thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11 ◼   ► or since I put that slider you know use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12 ◼   ► iCloud for backups it immediately says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14 ◼   ► there's not enough room would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15 ◼   ► to buy more store to another prompt in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17 ◼   ► store but instant yeah because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19 ◼   ► five gigs free and she had more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21 ◼   ► that I looked at what it was it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:22 ◼   ► six gigs of magazines it's nice you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25 ◼   ► just turn those off on a per app basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:26 ◼   ► like don't back up the magazine or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28 ◼   ► button do those stuff right so I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:30 ◼   ► pretty good experience the Cybermen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:31 ◼   ► really slowed downloads which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32 ◼   ► not that was like a one-day one timely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:35 ◼   ► it's like it's like it's there the CDN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:36 ◼   ► was having problems I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:37 ◼   ► could have just been a bandwidth thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:39 ◼   ► you know whatever that's not really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:42 ◼   ► iCloud service as much as their usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:45 ◼   ► software update download things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47 ◼   ► their pipes could have been filled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:48 ◼   ► network pipes could have been filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:49 ◼   ► with all the people updating but using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51 ◼   ► the service I didn't really get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:52 ◼   ► error messages it wasn't slow I did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55 ◼   ► couple of things to see if it was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:56 ◼   ► what it's supposed to be doing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:57 ◼   ► seemed like it was I was never prompted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:00 ◼   ► to resolve any sync conflicts it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02 ◼   ► duplicate all the contacts so I pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:05 ◼   ► much give it a thumbs up so I asked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:06 ◼   ► Twitter I think I mentioned on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08 ◼   ► the next day that you know that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10 ◼   ► pretty well like it's not not a MobileMe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12 ◼   ► type disaster and then immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:13 ◼   ► people replied to me and said yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14 ◼   ► I guess you're not using the mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16 ◼   ► because the mail thing isn't working so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:17 ◼   ► apparently during the day yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19 ◼   ► people couldn't connect to their to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:22 ◼   ► their mail they would reject their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:23 ◼   ► password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:24 ◼   ► some people had debugged further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:25 ◼   ► said that a particular particular IMAP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27 ◼   ► server Apple's IMAP server wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29 ◼   ► responding and that a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:30 ◼   ► them at some big long named Apple comm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:34 ◼   ► so I would give it I don't know how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:39 ◼   ► grade it certainly it's not a MobileMe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:40 ◼   ► level disaster I'd say it probably went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:45 ◼   ► as smoothly as could be expected given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47 ◼   ► palpable apples path history like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50 ◼   ► there were zero problems that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52 ◼   ► been amazed you expect some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54 ◼   ► growing pains and little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55 ◼   ► like that and there were but they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:56 ◼   ► to be transient and relatively minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:58 ◼   ► there's still people saying that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4138">TS</a>]

01:08:59 ◼   ► can't convert their MobileMe ID to a to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:02 ◼   ► an iCloud account because that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04 ◼   ► service has been shut off due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06 ◼   ► overwhelming demand or whatever I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:07 ◼   ► I'm sure they have some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08 ◼   ► server-side problem they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:09 ◼   ► deal with so there are bumps but I give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:13 ◼   ► it a pretty good grade so far I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15 ◼   ► remain cautiously optimistic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17 ◼   ► iCloud oh the money I'll talk about - is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:22 ◼   ► the Apple ID situation because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24 ◼   ► people may be confused by this I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:25 ◼   ► put this in the show notes there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:26 ◼   ► couple of good articles in Macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28 ◼   ► explaining what the deal is maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30 ◼   ► just us maybe no one else has multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32 ◼   ► Apple IDs but I have multiple Apple IDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33 ◼   ► and my wife has multiple Apple IDs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35 ◼   ► it gets confusing the the only dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38 ◼   ► situation have to worry about is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40 ◼   ► have mobile me and you use mobile me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:43 ◼   ► syncing like you sync your keychains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45 ◼   ► Yojimbo to do mobile me syncing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47 ◼   ► stuff like that do not convert that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49 ◼   ► mobile me ID to an iCloud ID at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:52 ◼   ► until you're sure that every app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53 ◼   ► you use is is working and that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56 ◼   ► need to pass those key chains and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58 ◼   ► around right so you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00 ◼   ► giving up the ability to do as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03 ◼   ► understanding like I've tried to read up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05 ◼   ► on this or whatever my understanding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06 ◼   ► if I was to convert my mobile me Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09 ◼   ► ID to iCloud my your Jimbo items would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12 ◼   ► not be able to sync between computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:13 ◼   ► and right now that doesn't mean they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:14 ◼   ► be blown away or they'd be deleted or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:16 ◼   ► anything it just means the syncing part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:17 ◼   ► would go away right and as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:21 ◼   ► complain about mold me I do use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:22 ◼   ► syncing I use the keychain syncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24 ◼   ► between machines I use the your Jimbo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26 ◼   ► syncing between machines and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28 ◼   ► flexibility like for example i sync my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:29 ◼   ► keychain between all my home max but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31 ◼   ► sync my your Jimbo between all my home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:32 ◼   ► Max and my work Mac just so I can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34 ◼   ► that information with me there are work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:35 ◼   ► there were workarounds for this yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38 ◼   ► you can put it in Dropbox and also to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:39 ◼   ► other things but the Yojimbo developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:43 ◼   ► for example are going to update for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44 ◼   ► iCloud they're just not done with it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46 ◼   ► so their deadline is whatever it is June [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:47 ◼   ► 2012 or something like that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49 ◼   ► MobileMe will be shut off for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51 ◼   ► before that time if you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:52 ◼   ► application that uses MobileMe syncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54 ◼   ► you have to hope that the developer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56 ◼   ► that application releases a new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:57 ◼   ► that uses iCloud before that dates then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00 ◼   ► you can switch it over right but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:03 ◼   ► other thing you can do is what I may end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05 ◼   ► up doing which is just make yourself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07 ◼   ► new Apple ID and use that as your new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:08 ◼   ► eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:09 ◼   ► I actually have a new iCloud ID that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:10 ◼   ► use when I was testing out cloud for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12 ◼   ► line review I actually ended up not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14 ◼   ► talking about iCloud in the line review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:15 ◼   ► just because it was too young and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17 ◼   ► didn't really know what it was gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:18 ◼   ► like it's good thing I didn't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:19 ◼   ► it because all the features that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21 ◼   ► in the lion Vedas it's very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23 ◼   ► now the interface is very different to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25 ◼   ► how you do stuff in the head and decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:26 ◼   ► on all the rules with the Apple IDs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:27 ◼   ► stuff there are rumors about merging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29 ◼   ► Apple IDs which you still can't do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:32 ◼   ► anyway the safest thing is probably make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34 ◼   ► yourself a new Apple ID you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:35 ◼   ► anything you want my wife's Apple ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:36 ◼   ► doesn't use a me comm email address you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39 ◼   ► can use anything for your Apple ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:40 ◼   ► either I actually have Apple IDs from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:41 ◼   ► the old days when they didn't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42 ◼   ► to be email addresses which causes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:45 ◼   ► problems but make yourself a new Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:47 ◼   ► ID make it you know blah blah blah me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50 ◼   ► calm you can get it for free and use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52 ◼   ► that and if you have your MobileMe ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:53 ◼   ► just keep that one if you're old you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:56 ◼   ► know whatever at matcom address or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58 ◼   ► whatever that Apple ID was so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:01 ◼   ► confusing but it is also flexible they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:03 ◼   ► don't the worst thing the only thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:04 ◼   ► can do really badly is to rush into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:05 ◼   ► and just say I'm just going to convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:07 ◼   ► everything died cloud and then be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:08 ◼   ► surprised by the results so I will add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:09 ◼   ► this a great Macworld article that tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:12 ◼   ► to explain all the different apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14 ◼   ► options and things you can do with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16 ◼   ► blood DS I'll put that in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18 ◼   ► now I have a question for you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:20 ◼   ► somewhat related to this so as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:23 ◼   ► I have an iPhone 4 and the 4 I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:27 ◼   ► for us any second now that could be do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:31 ◼   ► you do you recommend treating these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:32 ◼   ► essentially as like should I treat this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34 ◼   ► as an entirely new device or should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37 ◼   ► restore it from a backup of my existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40 ◼   ► iPhone 4 in other words when I start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42 ◼   ► using this thing I can I can sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:45 ◼   ► with my iCloud account no problem and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:50 ◼   ► theory it's a new device but it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52 ◼   ► start it should pull in everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54 ◼   ► I might need from iCloud that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57 ◼   ► great but you know should I use it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:02 ◼   ► standalone device and essentially leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:04 ◼   ► the four sitting there as its own device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:07 ◼   ► or separate or should I restore the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09 ◼   ► one from a backup which would bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:10 ◼   ► along all of the pictures and video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12 ◼   ► everything else that I've got going yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:15 ◼   ► that's kind of weird like with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:16 ◼   ► the photo stream of stuff you know photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:19 ◼   ► stream only works for stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:20 ◼   ► create after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22 ◼   ► you have photo stream enabled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24 ◼   ► installed so like you said all all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:27 ◼   ► your pictures that are on your iPhone 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:28 ◼   ► if you were to get your 4s and turn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29 ◼   ► on and turn on iCloud you expect all its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32 ◼   ► going to sync everything but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:33 ◼   ► going to sync my understanding at Lisa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:34 ◼   ► is not going to sync to pick any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36 ◼   ► pictures that were taken on your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:37 ◼   ► 4 before you upgraded iOS 5 right I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:40 ◼   ► not I'm not sure that answer by think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43 ◼   ► think that's right but even even putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45 ◼   ► that aside you know I mean I've what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47 ◼   ► what if I had a chat where somebody said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:50 ◼   ► oh call me at this number today at 2:00 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52 ◼   ► p.m. and the only place that I have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55 ◼   ► is in one of the chats that I would need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:58 ◼   ► to go back to to look to call out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4438">TS</a>]

01:13:59 ◼   ► because that the application data that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:00 ◼   ► also confusing to me too like that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02 ◼   ► across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:02 ◼   ► if you backup the iCloud you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05 ◼   ► iPhone 4 backing up the iCloud or now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:06 ◼   ► yes and did you pay for the extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08 ◼   ► storage there you actually fit it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10 ◼   ► need it that's confusing to me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12 ◼   ► because I know I have tons of stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14 ◼   ► like my ipod touch for example you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16 ◼   ► 20 gigs of music but that music is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:19 ◼   ► getting backed up to the iCloud backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20 ◼   ► because I didn't purchase it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22 ◼   ► iTunes music store hmm right so I'm wary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:25 ◼   ► of iCloud backup because I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27 ◼   ► what its backing up right obviously not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:28 ◼   ► backing up my music so what if my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30 ◼   ► burns down I could just get a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32 ◼   ► and enter my cloud ID and all my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34 ◼   ► will be there well my music wall because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35 ◼   ► it burned down with my house right yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37 ◼   ► I'm looking at iCloud and I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39 ◼   ► everything turned on except right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:42 ◼   ► the photo stream everything else is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:45 ◼   ► turned on and when I go to storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:46 ◼   ► backup it says that I'm I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:49 ◼   ► five gigs and I have 820 Meg's available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:53 ◼   ► so I'm close so now you mentioned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55 ◼   ► the phone number like say you have it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56 ◼   ► a chat session from a verbs chat log and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59 ◼   ► you wanted to go find it like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:00 ◼   ► in your contacts where you're saying but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► your contacts will sync I'm say or let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:04 ◼   ► say that I'm meeting somebody from lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:05 ◼   ► and they said here's the address of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07 ◼   ► place that we're going and I only have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08 ◼   ► that in an iMessage and it's only on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10 ◼   ► this phone that's not that's not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12 ◼   ► backed up right I'd well I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14 ◼   ► assumed application data is backed up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16 ◼   ► I'm going to go back to the verbs thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:17 ◼   ► so you're using verbs and you've got I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19 ◼   ► on transcripts I don't even know verbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20 ◼   ► as I am transcripts although I do own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21 ◼   ► verbs right use that much but that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24 ◼   ► be application data that's associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26 ◼   ► with that thing so when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:27 ◼   ► sync your thing and it puts verbs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29 ◼   ► your new phone I assume you'd also put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:30 ◼   ► the contents of the little buried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32 ◼   ► documents folder inside the verbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:33 ◼   ► application home directory I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:35 ◼   ► you're new on your new phone as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:36 ◼   ► like I'm assuming it's bringing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38 ◼   ► application data as a whole the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40 ◼   ► that I actually wanted to talk about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42 ◼   ► I'll let Marco do it in his show did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:43 ◼   ► read Marco is post about application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45 ◼   ► data versus caches and all that stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47 ◼   ► did yeah the cleaning behavior of of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:51 ◼   ► 5 yeah so I'm gonna leave that damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:54 ◼   ► because that's this thing that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:55 ◼   ► great article and you should definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:56 ◼   ► talk about that and centers and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58 ◼   ► related to this because he's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59 ◼   ► about what things get backed up more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01 ◼   ► things not well I assume the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02 ◼   ► are user created application data also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:05 ◼   ► get sent to your other device if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:07 ◼   ► take a new iPhone out of the box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09 ◼   ► turn it on and sync it with iCloud so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:12 ◼   ► you're saying that if I have two iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14 ◼   ► and I'll know the answer to this later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16 ◼   ► today but you're saying if I have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18 ◼   ► iPhones and I sync both of them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20 ◼   ► iCloud that even something like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23 ◼   ► previous chat or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25 ◼   ► will will get synced if the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:28 ◼   ► has been built that way you're saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30 ◼   ► will get synced yeah and any any user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32 ◼   ► created content it's gonna definitely be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:33 ◼   ► in a folder it's definitely getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:34 ◼   ► backed up in your other phone and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36 ◼   ► assume it will be copy to your new phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:37 ◼   ► if it isn't that's kind of I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39 ◼   ► trust like oh if I drop my phone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41 ◼   ► ocean when I get a new phone I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:42 ◼   ► enter my iCloud ID and all my stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44 ◼   ► back well we know that's not true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46 ◼   ► musically you didn't buy any iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:47 ◼   ► Music Store and videos that you ripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:49 ◼   ► yourself and put it on there and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:50 ◼   ► like that but is it also not true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52 ◼   ► even application data like is it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54 ◼   ► going to install the verbs application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:56 ◼   ► from the app store and I'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:57 ◼   ► completely clean and empty I assume it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4617">TS</a>]

01:16:58 ◼   ► going to sync the stuff from iCloud so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00 ◼   ► that when you get your 4s I would try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02 ◼   ► that experiment like find some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04 ◼   ► data or create a piece of data like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► know create a sticky note wellmaybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06 ◼   ► notes don't camp is there specially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:07 ◼   ► treated but pick some third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09 ◼   ► application and make something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11 ◼   ► is user-generated content like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13 ◼   ► note or I don't know I can't think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:15 ◼   ► simple note also the server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:16 ◼   ► component trying to think of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:17 ◼   ► where you know there's no server side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:18 ◼   ► component doing this stuff for you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:21 ◼   ► make some data in the application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:23 ◼   ► then when you get you for a sign in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25 ◼   ► your ID and see if it shows up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27 ◼   ► that'll be interesting experiment as for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29 ◼   ► whether you whether you should you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31 ◼   ► after you run this experiment whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32 ◼   ► you should actually hook it up to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:33 ◼   ► at iTunes and do a restore from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35 ◼   ► other one that's what I do just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38 ◼   ► I want all my stuff you and all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:39 ◼   ► stuff yeah I want everything there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41 ◼   ► I'm perfectly happy to do that how'd it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43 ◼   ► make a big giant mess and then spend you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45 ◼   ► know 15 20 minutes cleaning up Ark I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:47 ◼   ► don't need that application let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:48 ◼   ► rearrange of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:48 ◼   ► you know ios5 actually was pretty nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51 ◼   ► about this when it added those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53 ◼   ► applications it added what newsstand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56 ◼   ► odd the message application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58 ◼   ► reminders out it didn't shift all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:02 ◼   ► icons over by three which would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:03 ◼   ► driven me crazy it just made like a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05 ◼   ► screen and here these lonely lonely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07 ◼   ► three icons on a new page - and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09 ◼   ► rest of my pages were left pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:10 ◼   ► intact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:11 ◼   ► so I'm come all in favor but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:13 ◼   ► require some cleanup after the fact so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15 ◼   ► that's what I would do if I was you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17 ◼   ► you on the other end are the I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19 ◼   ► clean install I want it to be custom I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21 ◼   ► want it to be stocked just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:22 ◼   ► minimal stuff on that's how you are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:23 ◼   ► your Mac so you may be inclined to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25 ◼   ► that on your phone - just to get it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27 ◼   ► get a fresh start that's kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:28 ◼   ► I'm thinking like mainly what I have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30 ◼   ► this phone that I would that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:32 ◼   ► want somewhere else to be honest it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:36 ◼   ► it's just the the contact data you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:39 ◼   ► it really isn't anything beyond that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:41 ◼   ► in the pictures and stuff I've got those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:43 ◼   ► all loaded off but I'm bet you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:45 ◼   ► I'm bad about you probably don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47 ◼   ► this problem because you don't own you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49 ◼   ► don't own an iOS device is all take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51 ◼   ► pictures and videos and stuff and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:54 ◼   ► I'll offload them to the computer but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:56 ◼   ► typically don't always delete them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58 ◼   ► the phone so then eventually a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:01 ◼   ► like some half blurry picture of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:04 ◼   ► know my kid running through the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06 ◼   ► from six months ago that I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:07 ◼   ► deleted and just never got around to I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:10 ◼   ► sure you don't have that problem no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:13 ◼   ► don't well all we have is the iPod Touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:14 ◼   ► with the crappy camera so we try not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16 ◼   ► take pictures with the hat because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:17 ◼   ► they're so low quality so yeah we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19 ◼   ► we don't end up with stuff building up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:20 ◼   ► on the phone although we should take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22 ◼   ► video with it with the video and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24 ◼   ► iPod Touches it's good enough for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26 ◼   ► web video which is all we really use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:27 ◼   ► for but yeah that's the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:31 ◼   ► photostream - like oops so you are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33 ◼   ► to be taking pictures with your forest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:34 ◼   ► camera certainly and videos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:36 ◼   ► everything like that and photo stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:37 ◼   ► will be taking those pictures at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39 ◼   ► and magically syncing them so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:40 ◼   ► appear in iPhoto um but I'm not sure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:44 ◼   ► the lack of flexibility the apparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46 ◼   ► lack of flexibility will annoy you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:47 ◼   ► example I've already seen people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:48 ◼   ► complaining today about the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:51 ◼   ► they take screenshots on their iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53 ◼   ► either because it's part of their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:54 ◼   ► that takes screenshots of a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56 ◼   ► app they're reviewing or something into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:57 ◼   ► sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:58 ◼   ► technology reviewers and writers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59 ◼   ► stuff and that stuff shows up in iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:02 ◼   ► I want you know because you take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04 ◼   ► picture take the screenshot it shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06 ◼   ► in your photos folder on your phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:07 ◼   ► photo streams IPPs it over to iPhoto and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09 ◼   ► you don't really want the screenshots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11 ◼   ► some app you're reviewing to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:12 ◼   ► iPhoto you gotta like delete them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:13 ◼   ► stuff and then it's like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:16 ◼   ► is it keep a thousand photos or 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18 ◼   ► with the photos whichever comes first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:19 ◼   ► and it will trim that off on your iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21 ◼   ► device I think it'll work okay for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:24 ◼   ► general case but for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:25 ◼   ► picky about what exists where I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:28 ◼   ► know make it annoying you you try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30 ◼   ► tell me after the first month of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:31 ◼   ► taking pictures of your kids and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33 ◼   ► if this is better worse or the same than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35 ◼   ► your old method of just like leaving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37 ◼   ► the phone and forgetting into there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:38 ◼   ► occasionally plugging it and syncing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:40 ◼   ► and stuff like that somebody on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:41 ◼   ► just said to me that eat indeed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:45 ◼   ► paraphrasing indeed odd you know back at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:51 ◼   ► chats and other things like that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:53 ◼   ► backed up and restored and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55 ◼   ► there on the person's iPhone for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57 ◼   ► they're on the person's 4s that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58 ◼   ► what we're talking about actually well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00 ◼   ► well that's a good question I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02 ◼   ► comment like that to you I of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04 ◼   ► that I can tell you that that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:05 ◼   ► because I've done that before all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07 ◼   ► videos like so obviously that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09 ◼   ► when you plug it into iTunes right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:11 ◼   ► what yeah what are your is I cloud-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:14 ◼   ► restore right an iCloud based restore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17 ◼   ► just I cloud-based syncing of data like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19 ◼   ► and in a way I might I might not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:22 ◼   ► that I might not want and we'll we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24 ◼   ► talked about verbs but I'll just pick an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26 ◼   ► iMessage I might not want every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:28 ◼   ► iMessage chat that I've had with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:31 ◼   ► know 10 different people to show up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33 ◼   ► every iOS device that I don't want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:36 ◼   ► do you do I I don't know someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:39 ◼   ► mentioned the chatroom that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:40 ◼   ► you can't delete photos from photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42 ◼   ► stream so be careful with the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:45 ◼   ► it is you may be doing with your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:47 ◼   ► camera taking pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:48 ◼   ► whereas it says where does it send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:50 ◼   ► it sends them up to iCloud and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:53 ◼   ► get them on your local copy of iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55 ◼   ► right right right okay you're saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:58 ◼   ► new version you're saying in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00 ◼   ► situation where you take a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02 ◼   ► something and you look at the picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04 ◼   ► and you're like oh I don't like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06 ◼   ► picture well guess what it's forever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08 ◼   ► iCloud and forever in this iPhoto until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10 ◼   ► you delete it is that what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11 ◼   ► or someone in the chat room saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13 ◼   ► you can't delete pictures and photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15 ◼   ► stream now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:15 ◼   ► my guess would be if I was a photo that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:18 ◼   ► I didn't want I would delete it off my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:19 ◼   ► phone and I would delete it off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:20 ◼   ► iPhoto and then I would be surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:23 ◼   ► if I deleted off all of my devices if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25 ◼   ► it's still like if I turned on a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26 ◼   ► device suddenly that picture shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:27 ◼   ► there even though I had deleted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29 ◼   ► successfully deleted it on all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31 ◼   ► devices that's why I talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33 ◼   ► lack of flexibility that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34 ◼   ► there's this there's this server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36 ◼   ► repository of data and this is Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39 ◼   ► whole model apples model is not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40 ◼   ► Google model.i apples apples model is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42 ◼   ► server canonical but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:43 ◼   ► application centric it's not server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45 ◼   ► centric so there's no web interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47 ◼   ► photostream where you say this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49 ◼   ► actual repository data you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51 ◼   ► manipulate it here and then devices pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53 ◼   ► from that it's icons just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55 ◼   ► waypoint it's like a junction station or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:57 ◼   ► a conduit it's not a thing in itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4977">TS</a>]

01:23:00 ◼   ► as far as I know there is no like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02 ◼   ► here's the native way to look at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03 ◼   ► photos that are in photo scream and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:06 ◼   ► devices will will push it to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07 ◼   ► devices or there pull them down you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09 ◼   ► in those things but this is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10 ◼   ► repositories if you want to delete it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12 ◼   ► delete it here and then it will either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15 ◼   ► still be on your devices and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:16 ◼   ► delete it from them or it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:17 ◼   ► automatically get deleted off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:18 ◼   ► devices so it's weird when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:21 ◼   ► multiple devices like if I delete that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22 ◼   ► photo from iPhoto what I do I want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24 ◼   ► to be deleted from my phone like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27 ◼   ► does the user expectation theirs is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29 ◼   ► users mental model versus the model that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:30 ◼   ► Apple has made here some users would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:32 ◼   ► ah well I was deleting it because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:35 ◼   ► an embarrassing picture and because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37 ◼   ► mental intent was that well obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39 ◼   ► want this deleted it's an embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41 ◼   ► picture I can't believe it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:42 ◼   ► leading from my phone the second I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43 ◼   ► deleted it from my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:44 ◼   ► but on the other hand someone will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:45 ◼   ► saying I want this picture on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:48 ◼   ► but I don't really want it in my iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:49 ◼   ► library right because I just use it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50 ◼   ► wallpaper so when I deleted an iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52 ◼   ► and then it went delete it on my phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54 ◼   ► didn't want that right so business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:55 ◼   ► there's plausible scenarios for users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:58 ◼   ► being upset no matter what Apple does in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59 ◼   ► this situation and there's no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:02 ◼   ► canonical middleman interface like let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:05 ◼   ► me just look at what's in the conduit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06 ◼   ► and say I want to eradicate this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08 ◼   ► history delete it from the source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10 ◼   ► and then delete it from the devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:11 ◼   ► now I know that picture is nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:12 ◼   ► because I can look in this magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14 ◼   ► iCloud and say it's not in the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15 ◼   ► it's not on my iPhone and it's not on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17 ◼   ► on my Mac so when I buy a new iOS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20 ◼   ► I sure as heck don't expect it to appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22 ◼   ► there when I enter my iCloud input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:23 ◼   ► because where did it come from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:24 ◼   ► doesn't exist anywhere but we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:27 ◼   ► ability as far as I know to inspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:28 ◼   ► the constants of iCloud directly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30 ◼   ► all viewed through applications even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32 ◼   ► it's just a web application at iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:33 ◼   ► com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34 ◼   ► you're still kind of viewing it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36 ◼   ► the lens of an application there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:37 ◼   ► one canonical application so again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:41 ◼   ► think this this will probably do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:43 ◼   ► people want in the common case but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:44 ◼   ► they're easily imaginable scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46 ◼   ► where no matter what it does it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:49 ◼   ► to do something that's unexpected or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51 ◼   ► upsetting to someone and more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:52 ◼   ► flexibility and more a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:54 ◼   ► understanding of how it works would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56 ◼   ► great here especially for pictures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58 ◼   ► stuff that can be embarrassing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00 ◼   ► more explanation required yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:05 ◼   ► we'll just use it for a while and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:06 ◼   ► used to it when you get used to anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:07 ◼   ► they're the first two or three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:08 ◼   ► that happens you figure out you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:10 ◼   ► modifying your mental model to match how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:12 ◼   ► the thing actually works and I think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:14 ◼   ► the common case people are just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:17 ◼   ► thrilled when a picture shows up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:18 ◼   ► multiple places like you know take I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:19 ◼   ► take a pictures and it's automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21 ◼   ► on my Mac and I bought a new device my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:22 ◼   ► pictures were there that's that's 90% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:25 ◼   ► you've already won at that point people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:26 ◼   ► just amazed when stuff works and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29 ◼   ► details about deleting an embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► picture and stuff I think are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipn1_SjY/5131">TS</a>]

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