00:00:02 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/5">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► so perfect but it can't be complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► about by my co-host John siracusa how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► are you John I'm pretty good this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► episode number 36 we want to say thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/19">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► to our two sponsors source bits calm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/21">TS</a>]
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00:00:26 ◼ ► as the program goes on we also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/26">TS</a>]
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00:00:35 ◼ ► get free bandwidth today at Midas green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► tech comm slash 5x5 36 of these does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► that make you feel just dandy dandy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► know people like a couple people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/47">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► they liked how you said submerged in oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and now you're all self-conscious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/50">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► it so now it's like I don't like know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► try to vary it I tried you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► overthinking it now I'm afraid the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► complaining part well it's going away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/57">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► yeah but they complaining part is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► gonna read the new oil don't steal my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/63">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► did you watch this Terra Nova no I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► that on TiVo although I tried to leave I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/74">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► tried to remain spoiler free and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► muted you when you were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/78">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► that a couple minutes ago because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► didn't want to hit but I hear that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► didn't like it I assumed I wouldn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/82">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► to it I haven't gotten to it yet I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► little bit behind okay yeah I did I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► watch the fringe but we should talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► about that maybe maybe maybe we'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► to it I'm also glad to faith didn't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► me as the mean person right one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/95">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► one of the other go sketch guys those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► fingers are crossed like don't let it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► you know what no and I'll tell you I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► tell you why you are it despite despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► the way that that you come across uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► are actually quite a kind sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► person behind the scenes beneath your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/115">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► compassionate you care about the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► mmm-hmm that's me what are we talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/125">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► about I had stuff prepared for this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/130">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► it was we were going to finish off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► going to what's wrong with Microsoft but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► the Amazon stuff has come along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/135">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► smushed that in my mind so I will yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► will delay it me mind the mind smooshing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/139">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► effects of Amazon yeah so far still not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/143">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► Microsoft one or two people said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/147">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► could care less about Microsoft but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/149">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► mostly no complaints in a few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► like that so maybe we will actually come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► back to both tail into the Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► stuff next week and going through what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► wrong with Microsoft but the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/160">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► stuff what's interesting enough that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/161">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► want to do that but I'm behind in amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► stuff I actually haven't even watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/165">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► the whole presentation yet I've read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► lot about it ah but I didn't read I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► didn't sorry I didn't see the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► video I'm like halfway through it mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► because it was so boring did you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/174">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► watch that video is bad he's I saw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► tweeting where can i watch the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/178">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► yeah and then I found it I'll put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► the show notes link but like I dairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► like I'm surprised anyone left that room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► alive I dare you watch this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► not be bored to death oh not not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/188">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► presentation and I don't know why like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► they had exciting things to announce and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► Jeff Bezos Bezos in on Aaron's last name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► personal he's got interesting things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► electricity wasn't there I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► magnetism perhaps it's not as so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► that it's also the people in the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/210">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► like they weren't enthusiastic about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► think it's just pressed so you'd hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► like camera and the SLR mirrors snapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► up and down you know that's right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► also has a shutter sound but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► wouldn't hear people like people weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► amped for these Kindles but just which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/224">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► is strange because I know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/226">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► really were and for these Kindle stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► like there was excitement about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/229">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► announcement but those people were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► announced the the price you you expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► people to have some reaction to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► and I don't know if it's because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► already leaked and everybody who knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► what the price would be but it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/241">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► drop dead sighs it was all jaded press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► every announcement they made and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► couldn't you know feed off of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► don't know it was boring presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► I'm about I'm just up to the part where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► they're and I was in the Kindle Fire so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/253">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► I didn't but I want to talk about any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► us I think I have all the facts covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► I just wanted to see the presentation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► see how did it really go ah beside heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► different things so I but before we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► try to get through this quick I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► a bit of old follow-up Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► follow-up I mentioned damage last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► that I got the Thunderbolt monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/272">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► didn't I did you I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► mentioned that I think you mentioned no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► maybe you did mention it because yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/280">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► were telling me to be wife your wife was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► plugging into it you did mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and so I've got that set up now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► people are asking me what I think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► it mean it works as advertised you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/290">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► plug your air and do it with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► thunder bolt cable and you got a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► fledged computer and so far no issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/295">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► with it really one time when we lack the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► spacebar to wake the Machine up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/299">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► other monitor didn't wake up like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► big monitor didn't wake up and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► really know what to do about that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► just had to restart the machine hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► you couldn't detect displays go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► system preferences I couldn't get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► the windows they're all in the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► scroll in the main yeah so the menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/313">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► is up there and everything so how how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► do restart it then angels SSH and shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► down - are now come on where we are yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► I do what people maybe not everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► the audience knows about this yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► know but if you don't I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/325">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► explain I would like to explain what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► do is you go to System Preferences you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/328">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► go into sharing and there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► checkbox that is called a remote login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► by checking that you will be allowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► SSH connection so then you could go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► an another machine if you'd like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/339">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► that other machine could be used to SSH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► into that box and then you can shut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► down using the watch shut eye a shutdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► command by itself or do you still do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► - Shh shut down - are now Oh to reboot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► yes then want to manually boot it up if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► you really want to feel cool you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► type sync a couple times in every turn a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/358">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► sink sink sink semicolon shut down space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► - our space now no I don't think we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/363">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► to sink these days yeah no right no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► fine I wonder if the commands email on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 I doubt it my horse just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► hooked up to a do nothing command so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/374">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► anyway I got I am Thunderbolt Display I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/377">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► think I mentioned this last time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/379">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► only weird thing I've seen about is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/380">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► the Thunderbolt connector gets slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► which is a little bit creepy but we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/384">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► know that from previous things that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► little chip in there and that I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► is what's getting warm not hot you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► so the reason I bring it up is few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► things I had two links from a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► weeks ago that had never got - one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► for a PCI Express breakout box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/397">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► connection put a link to that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► show notes it's magma express box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► the other one is Belkin has a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► breakout box that gives you three USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► ports a thunderbolt port so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/413">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► daisy chain stuff firewire port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► gigabit ethernet port so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/416">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► like the Thunderbolt Display without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► display part so you can if you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► air to have a whole bunch more ports we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► were thinking like maybe they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► Thunderbolt to fire our connectors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► whatever but I bet these little dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► because you don't just get a firewire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/431">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► you if I were you can knit a daisy chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► thing and more USB ports and that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► were all from earlier in the month but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► never linked them so they will be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► show notes as well so it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/441">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► accessories go out this and uh for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► thunderbolt and finally the iFixit did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► teardown of the Thunderbolt Display and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► this is surprising amount of stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► there did you see that that URL no can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► you please put that in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/454">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► I've not seen that one it's in the URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► that they break it up and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/457">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► think it's going to be a big display and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/458">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► then some little printed circuit board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/460">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► but there's a lot of circuit board e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► stuff in there like well the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► in one of the stories is that he's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/466">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► of subwoofer like it's got it's got two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► speakers and a third one presumably for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► low volume stuff it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/472">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► much of a subwoofer I mean the cone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/473">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► not that big but it's got it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► it has more printed circuit boards in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/477">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► this monitor considerably more than in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► the MacBook Air and there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► power supply and once again I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► unknowingly bought a display device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/485">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► has a fan in it the good thing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/487">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► case this is a reference to your plasma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► television I didn't realize had fans in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► it right you wouldn't use any fans man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► well it's the noise but in this case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► did not realize that a fan until I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► the opposite thing the thing is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► silent like you know and I don't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► then the air is on it makes almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► noise and this monitor I had no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► that was a fan of it so don't be afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/506">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► of the fan it passes the Syracuse a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► test I could not hear it it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► bother me maybe like in a summer it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/512">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► get hot and start cranking up and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► bother me but so far not an issue but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► seeing all this junk shoved into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► display as I tweeted earlier this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► makes me think the idea of putting a GPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/523">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► in there is not so crazy because already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► a lot of stuff in there it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► one little circuit board in the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► it's a pretty big circuit board three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► speakers you know the analog power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► interesting I like this new the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► Thunderbolt future that we live in I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► do you think you know for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/542">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► standard for pretty much all non I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► you would say that you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► are not too high bandwidth it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► been the standard it's been what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► people use do you see a day when there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► everything and maybe it's Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/562">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► but that whether it's a any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► peripheral mouse keyboard hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► monitor whatever that it'll just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► just plug it in and it just works is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► that where we're headed is it them it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► there's there's two things working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► against that one for some things you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► say there's some sort of convergence on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/577">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► a single standard or thing and those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► mostly things that have to do with human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► perception so at a certain point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/582">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► perception we're not there yet in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► compression and artifacts inside but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► eventually making the audio quality any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► better doesn't make a difference and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► would imagine that you would eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/595">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► converge on some kind of single standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► for audio that is totally maxes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/599">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► human perception you're perfectly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► to go and then what point is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/602">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► having other standards you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► bandwidth isn't a concern or whatever on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► same thing with visually but for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► I think they'll always be a cheap low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► speed one and another high speed one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► simply because our appetite for high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► particular technology like it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► if we're going to say we never need any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/620">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► more bandwidth and eventually our high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► bandwidth connector becomes cheap enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/624">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► to put in cereal boxes therefore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/625">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► they'll always be the cheap low speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► more expensive high speed slit split in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► consumer electronics now it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► that our bandwidth requirements never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/635">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► run out on the high end but they do run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► out in the consumer space because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► only things we're transferring our media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/642">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► that max out our human perception so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► say well I never need to send you any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/645">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► more than like a an ADK HD movie with 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► channels of audio and blah blah blah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► that fits over now what is now that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/652">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► blows BD connector so we never need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► high-speed connector but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/655">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► that will happen in our lifetime so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► would say for everyone listening to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/658">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► at the time that you're alive there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/659">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► be a low speed and a high speed standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► for connecting your consumer electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► I'll more follow up the metro get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► feedback from Steve Holzer I'm prancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► his name right saying that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► predominantly landscape is that remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► that Windows 8 also has to run on PCs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► and of course PC monitors are landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/684">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► hmm that made me think about the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► days with the portrait Mac displays to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/687">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► remember those yeah those are great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► I still see people at work you see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► lot if you work without a developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► they will buy you know whatever the Dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/695">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► monitors they buy you in and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/697">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► rotatable and they'll rotate them just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► to get the big long strip of code right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/700">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► right especially if the Windows users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► liked everything zoom to full screen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► they can zoom their code window which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/705">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► always black with dark blue text on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► on how these people don't go blind in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► any way they will zoom that thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/710">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► full screen in a big portrait display so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► we know that actually that's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► good topic for perhaps a future segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► on a show is is exactly the what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► just identified is the different styles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► of people looking at at screens do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/722">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► style white background with dark texts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► like a page of paper or do you prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► the the more sort of hipster black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► which of those is that's not hip studies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► to be like terminal nerd but yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► no but today it's considered hipster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/742">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► like if well if you don't observe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► Halloween themed or whatever but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► yes that is a whole other topic uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► you know what I think it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/752">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► is that a lot of these kids today using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► the dark color background it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► they're in the dark they're sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/759">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► the dark and if you have the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► background while you're sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► dark at 3:00 a.m. writing code like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► listening to that emo music then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► too harsh it's too bright you can't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► at it so that's why they have the dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/772">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► background and then just a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► stand out and plus it makes them feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► like neo in the matrix the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► people at work aren't sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► dark those no that's why if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► you're in an office if you're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► brightly lit for Larsson office like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► prefer then you've got to have the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► background I think topic for a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► show all right more follow up this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► this is a good one from by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► someone in the chat room said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/794">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► that Steve Holt is Steve hol zer I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► sorry I don't know this is a good tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/799">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► for people writing in if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► putting some phonetic thing to give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/802">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► speaking of here's Jonathan hello drew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► PLO udre how this is a letter holder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► this is a good letter very succinct I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► read it pretty much word for word he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► you're killing me John I'm dying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► pronounced Mary oh it's not pronounced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► Mary oh it's Mario i disgust none I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/824">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► know that's a northeastern thing man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► what I replied it was like you grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/831">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► on Long Island people say Mary oh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/832">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► understand we all have our pronunciation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► pet peeves my pronunciation pet peeve is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► and I'll test this on Dan because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/839">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► from Florida so god knows how I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/841">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► from Florida Adelphia whatever I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► know you spend most I wouldn't when did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► you move to Florida I would spent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► Philadelphia and it was more than enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► time for me to develop a Philadelphian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► northeastern accent and recognize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/854">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and in Florida everybody's from New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► anyway oh yeah alright so any South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► versus my pronunciation quiz some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► how do you pronounce these free words ma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► ry the girl's name ma ry as in to Wed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► and m ER ry as in Christmas they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► the same Merida they're actually they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► actually not all the same they are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► let's read it through what's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► one ma ry the girl's name mary ma rry as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/880">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► in to Wed Mary and M ery as in Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Mary C that's three words you did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► right what about wate our MMS that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/892">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► getting into more regional but I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► thing I'm annoyed with is well in words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/899">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► that have distinct pronunciations they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► pronunciations and to compress the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► countries they just blend there's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► I wish I could find this I've searched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/906">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► for many times it was a good map of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► u.s. showing how many different vowel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► sounds and different sounds there are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► the accent in different regions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► country and what it showed is it showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► the current map as it exists now and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► showed the map over time showing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► the number of vowel sounds number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/923">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► distinctive Allison's only decreases in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/926">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► other words the people who who say all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/928">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► expanding to absorb the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► differentiate that the differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► sounds is disappearing because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► a like a virus spreading across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► country of the language becoming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► know more less less distinctive and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► sure that's probably true compared our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► language to like Old English or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► these things from centuries ago I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/947">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► we've it's just that the overall trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► distinctions I don't know but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► think if you're going to marry marry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/957">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► marry you should know that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► wedding a girl who is happy you can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/960">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► the test at home that should be read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► little more with the Marvel comic dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/968">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► and the marry marry marry test so yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/969">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► apologize for saying marry oh I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► said I guess a yahoo sometime people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/976">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► don't remember what I said I said I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/979">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► I didn't say yahoo I said Yahoo yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► would mostly blame that on around but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► I'm proud of my Long Island heritage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► I wear my mispronunciations in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► regard proudly oh where else do we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► here something about CoffeeScript which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/995">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► I should talk about it sometime but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► today it's taking a long time to reach I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► why don't you read these notes I'll do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1007">TS</a>]
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00:16:53 ◼ ► longtime sponsor source bits this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► episode is sponsored by source bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► these guys provide software design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► development services for iOS Android Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and the web they're at the bleeding edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► of emerging technologies they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► tons and tons of experience they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► a successful track record building well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► tested visually stunning world-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► apps and here's the thing this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► I'm finding out a lot of time is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► there's people who maybe you're a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► iOS developer and you've got an idea for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► an iOS app right but maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► services that you want to power it maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► notifications for example who knows well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► the point is these guys they can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► piece that you don't know how to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► maybe you're a developer but you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► not an expert in every aspect of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► you want to build they'll build you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► other part or they'll build you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► whole app it doesn't matter maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► want an Android version of your iOS app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► and you don't to learn what you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► well go to source bits calm these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► we'll hook you out set that fan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► follow up I think we can start on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1078">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Amazon stuff now lot of Amazon stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► if you've been if you hasn't been paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► attention to this Amazon earlier in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► week announced some new Kindles there'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► information about the Kindle Fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► even shortly before the event news came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► out about how much it would cost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► what it would be a long and short of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► is it's a it's a very similar hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► to the the playbook it is a Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► powered but it is Amazon's own heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► modified version of Android so much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► that the message is this isn't a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► Android tablet this is an Amazon tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► don't worry about the OS that's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► just enjoy it use it use the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► we've we've built it it is an IDI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► designed to be a platform obviously for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► reading but also for getting it to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► Amazon Prime streaming movies and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► and and really it's a great gateway to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► buy all of the stuff that Amazon sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► that's digital and and and that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► big announcement but they also announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► I guess it's called the Kindle 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► which is the essentially the updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► version of the Kindle that we all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► right now except with no keyboard there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► is the Kindle Touch which is similar but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► has a touch panel on it and and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► course there are the existing Kindles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► which are still being sold right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► there's a thousand Kindles that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► choose from and each one of these I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► think with the exception of the fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► comes in two different models one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► which has commercials essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► advertisements that appear and a version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► that doesn't and you pay anywhere from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► 12 maybe it's 20 or 30 bucks to 240 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► advertisements that come up so did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► watch the presentation I watched about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► half of it I thought was interesting how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► a some summary defense of e-books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► that's what do you mean by that as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► sang a to review and to convince people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► might not be listening here's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► might ever want this thing called an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► e-book like look I can look up a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and I have lots of books in my pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► and I had a little ad in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► saying uh you know I'm technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► literate and I can use ebooks and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► you know like it was like reminding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► people ebooks exist they are a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► that people do people seem to like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► here's why you might like them so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► still at that stage where you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► wouldn't do this with an iPod where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► the fifth ipod that comes out they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► like you could bring your music with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► wherever you go it's really nice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► they're they're past the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► explaining why you ever might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► have a digital music player on two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► explaining why this particular digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► music player is better or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► it seems like ebooks despite how far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► they've come and they showed the graph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► of like out and the e-book sales passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► paper book sales and all that stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► still felt like they needed to open by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► explaining to people what the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► ebooks are and why people might like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► apply I thought that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► interested oh that was necessary but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► apparently they thought they felt it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► necessary and they would be the ones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► know right um they've got the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► yeah so it the predictions on this were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► pretty much on from everybody I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► I described it a few shows ago as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► thought it would be a magical colorful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► window through which you can give money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► to Amazon and Marco was much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► succinct and he called it a vending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► machine hmm for Amazon I think both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► those things were apt but the angle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► announcement was slightly different it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► comes back to one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► we've talked about in previous shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► that that centers on this silk thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► right let's talk about this so silk it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► not a great name I think we picked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► because it's like a thin but very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► thread connecting you to blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► some marketing BS but the idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► when you are web browsing from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► Kindle Fire which is the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1318">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► color tablet thing rather than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► Kindle Fire thing making TCP connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► to the web server just like your desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► thing does it is going to connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► Amazon servers and Amazon servers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► going to get the web page for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► and then give it back to you like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► acting like a proxy now if you just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► that about what's the point of that why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► are Amazon servers faster they closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► me seems like it's making two trips I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► got a request Amazon servers that Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► servers got to request the page then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► it's got to send the page back to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► that seems really dumb the key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► understanding this is I don't haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► gotten up this part in the presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► when I assume they mentioned it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► speedy protocol SPDY that Google came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► out with I think it was like it last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► year or maybe the year before that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► was experimental then but it's it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► new protocol for the web instead of HTTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► and I don't know how much do you want me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► to go into technically there's a why yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► yeah okay so of course so that when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► web browser requests a web page it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► makes a request for the URL that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► represents the page and it has to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► up a TCP connection say I want this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► and over that same connection it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► send back the server or send back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► informations as here's the patron it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► going to have the HTML content right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► right now modern web browsers will keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► that connection open and say well but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► know I'm going to have to request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► something else because the page is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► the HTML text HTML still with image tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► and references to CSS and JavaScript and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► also it's all this stuff that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► browser doesn't have those yet it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► got the page it's okay here's the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and then it's alright I'm going to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► that stuff so I'm going to make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► request over the same connection one one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► request for this JavaScript thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► but browsers if they just use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► connection be really slow so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► they allow themselves to have I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► know what the limits are in modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► browsers for like four or five or six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► connections per domain per domain name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► say okay I'll make one request for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► JavaScript file then I hope a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► connection and get this other javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► file and I'll put a new connection and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► get the CSS file then I'll open a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► connection and get this image now I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► got 50 other things I want to get most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► of which are probably images but I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► request them yet because as a flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► connections per domain name or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► the current limit is used to be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► lower ease to be like two or three but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► now it's higher and then it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► wait and say like the CSS has taken a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► while to come because it's coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► like you know I for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► takes a while that thing is hung up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► or a big image is loading and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► be loading smaller things so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► you have six little workers to do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► things and also you have to open up six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► TCP connections and there's a handshake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► there and takes a little while to go it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► used to be even worse before keepalive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► was around it would close the connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► after I got a response then have to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► up another one so you burn up a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► your work on the overhead of opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► closing connections and you also are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► limited in how much information you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► get because you only have a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► connections to work within everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► is just waiting down there all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► you're not even requesting them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► could be getting them right now but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► haven't even started to ask for them yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► so speedy there are many many techniques [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► that have been used to get around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► speed is just Google's particular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and if you go to the speedy white paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► that a link in the show notes it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► they talk about alternatives of HTTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► pipelining and a couple other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► what's the other one I should look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► something like that anyway speedy uses a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► single network connection and it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► multiplex is the data over that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► connection so it even though it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► lists a single connection it can request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► a whole bunch of stuff and then those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► things come back in pieces interleaved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► with each other and the thing will and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► and the protocol will sort out okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► here's a piece of this files but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► know it you don't you don't have to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► for the one big slow file to come if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► little piece of some other file is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► available it'll come over the connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► to it so it's lots of little pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► the files interleaved with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► rather than being a queue over a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► bunch of different connection so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► eliminates the problem of having to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► 50 million connections it eliminates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► problem of having a queue of stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► you have to wait for to come back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► one the data is available it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► sent to you no matter what it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► two-way bi-directional connections they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► can talk to each other over it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► interesting technical additions to it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► that it's always SSL and it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► gzip compressed and actually isn't gzip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► yeah which are two things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► optional and regular HTTP but they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► built it into this nice and look it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► best practice secure to make make it SSL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► all the time and compression is a win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► for a lot of the content we deal with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► it's always gzip compressed and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► have like special-purpose compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► for the HTTP headers where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► compressing a message of a known type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► like you're always going to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► content type header or content length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► header there's certain headers that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► massively compress the well-known H [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► EP headers instead of compressing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► you with gzip you can just make the HTTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► you know the content type header be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► header number one or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► hetero not any know what the compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► is but you can imagine with a known data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► set you can get huge compression so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► protocol invented by Google and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► implemented on Google servers and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► Google web browser Chrome has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► around for a while I think was marked as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► experimental or whatever but amazon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► adopted it now before I get back onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► Amazon with this I just want to point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► out that the speedy thing is an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► of Google not being afraid to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► make a better version of some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► ubiquitous technology most companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► wouldn't say you know what we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► HTTP is is you know common in all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► why don't we make our own protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► instead of HTTP it sounds nuts like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► it was like what do you talk what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► you what's next you can mix up instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► of tcp/ip you have a better networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► you go back to NetBIOS so they they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► an entire and it seems like well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► never going to work fine make your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► protocol it's like a little academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► exercise but no one's going to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► everybody uses HTTP well Google happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► to have a couple web servers that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► might have heard of and used on daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► basis and they also have their own web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► browser that said we don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► if nobody uses this thing we're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► speedy we're going to build it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► chrome and we're going to put it on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► web servers and when our web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► connects to our web servers you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► have a better experience because it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► be faster now in our web server it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► connects to another site it'll be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► same speed as everybody else but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► a big advantage over other people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► you know if you use Safari to connect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► your gmail account it will be slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► worse than if you use Chrome right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► that gives them a leg up on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► browser side and on the server side if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► you use their combination their servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► seem faster like I could use Google Mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► or I could use some other mail service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► but you know Gmail seems faster for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► reason we're at speed stuff helps with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► that it's very bold and daring it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► the confidence that they think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► can't and is usually true if some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► standard has been around for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► you can probably improve Bronner pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► well the problem is always like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► good does that do you if you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► adoption it's pointless well they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► enough adoption to make a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► dent in their business by doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► it's interesting to compare that to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► similar proposal where they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► ditch JavaScript which is old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► creaking has lots of stuff wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► we do extensive amounts of JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► development here at Google so we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► all the bad parts of it and let's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► our own language it's better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► and we'll build that into our browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► more write our stuff with it and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► backlash from that maybe we should do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► show on that in the programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► like so then trying to fork the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► make a proprietary language they control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► and people are all kind of upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► that right you know if they just did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► on on their products and just did it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► their browser maybe they could take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► similar approach because but better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► things are better in theirs even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► only do it themselves they still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► the advantage that their products are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► better because of it even if no one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► uses it again but now here we are with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► Amazon seeing the speedy thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► saying you know better things are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► let's let's look into that maybe we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► use that for something and they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► this would help them make their mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► browser better because you won't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► have your mobile browser to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► million requests and grind through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► this stuff and actually if you a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► this performance that in like mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► safari stuff the iPad has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► JavaScript but the network connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► don't help especially over bad network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► connections like 3G or when you're when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► you're on the move on a phone type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► platform if you can make only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► connection that really really helps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and if you don't have to wait if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► interleave all the available data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► it makes the browsing experience better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► they also so Amazon is going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► speedy and then what you're connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► to is Amazon's ec2 Elastic Compute cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► thing that they run all their stuff off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► of and they provide as a service for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► everybody else and when you connect ec2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► the application you're connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► doesn't just proxy the stuff for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► doesn't just you know translate to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► from speedy and the various HTTP things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and the other thing that they point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► is that you know once you get there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► see two servers we have gigantic pipes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► the internet will get your data well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► we'll do the multiple HTTP connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► that we have to do to talk to these web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► I'm wonder if they talk speedy to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► Gmail servers that would be interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► if they do straight through for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► anyway they will also take the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► and tailor it for you so they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► going to send you back a giant five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► megabyte image if they know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► you know it's a waste on your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► they're going to trim that image down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► be the maximum resolution of your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► and make the image much smaller at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► same time and they will also do caching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► on top of that where if lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► are requesting a particular piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► cash it and ec2 briefly and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► compressing proxy with a better protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► and I think this is also happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► server side as well they'll also see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► particular web page immediately clicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► on this headline we will prefetch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► headline and have it start sending that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► you know Chrome does that already if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► use just the chrome desktop browser and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► homepage and then you click on the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► main banner thing for the new iMac Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► eventually Clau Rome learns that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► know I don't know if it learns but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► definitely prefetches other URLs or pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► resolves domain names and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► that so this is not a new innovation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► them but the fact that they're pushing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► lot of this the server side is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► interesting and it makes a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► they pick they saw a technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► speedy thing they could use they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► you know this this stack of services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► that's what they're they're leaning on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► top of to make their browsing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► better and perhaps it's because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► know what the hardware specs are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► detail or anything but perhaps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► because without this their browser would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► seem slow so it remains to be seen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► there's like this may be they may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► we can't tell because it you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► think of someone using this and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► it's really like but technologically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► speaking its it's a great move to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► competitively about it as well want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► they're pulling this thing from Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► leveraging their strengths their Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► strengths technology wise like in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► of fielding a technology product not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► like selling stuff is obviously great at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► that is their data center operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► sort of like Google you know when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► talked about what Apple was doing in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► data centers and how it was using third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► party opportunities and third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► products instead of rolling everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► on its own like Google and Amazon same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► to Amazon has built a huge business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► about these cloud services right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► they they're on dog food and they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► them this that this is their strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► this is somewhere where Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► compete with them Apple which I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► think is in their sights is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► competitor Apple is not strong in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► area and I remember we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► about Apple's iCloud things I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► was hard to imagine a future where data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► center operations aren't a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► important part of what any technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► company does right right and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► know and you don't outsource your core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► computing is important like everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► said about iCloud was like yes fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► important syncing blah blah blah stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► like that and it's too bad we didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► to the metro cloud stuff yet but similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► story there uh and in other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► it does Apple really wants to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► the whole stack they want they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► control Mac os10 and iOS from from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► compiler all the way up like that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► it like using GCC no we have our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► compiler we got our own language got our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► own stack we control the entire software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► stack but an iCloud they're like well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► can let some people have huge portions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► that stack our arse not just hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► but software written by other companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► really important parts of it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► well we'll let as your handle this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► we use this for CDN 'm you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► again it's still speculation it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► they're actually using because apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► never gonna come out and tell you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► they're using but I would imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► they had something great to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► they would but even if they were writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► fielding it as a product it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► really makes your services better if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► if you have something to use internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► it's usually it can only get so good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► once you have to start giving it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► customers that really makes your product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► better particularly when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► software because you're willing to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► up a lot of stuff when you write your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► software internally but once you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► giving it the customers they have higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► standards than you do so it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► smart of Amazon to sort of hit Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► where it can't hit back all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► they didn't as many other people point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► out they didn't say that the Kindle Fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► is like an app platform where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► gonna have a big app store like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► didn't do it all the Android tablets did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► we're exactly like the iPad we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► app store we guys you know developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► come make your apps play Angry Birds you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► know read your news watch your movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► stuff like that they are leveraging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► their strengths which are different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► Apple strengths that the places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Apple is weak to their data center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► operation is that the huge variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► content they have where Apple's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► weak there but Amazon is stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► purchase price over the quality the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► design quality of the product not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► they're bad looking or anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► they're they're not even saying look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► this beautiful tablet doesn't it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► awesome isn't it better than a not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► look how low our prices are yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► we're going to get this into a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► people's hands and when I got finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► got to the point when the fire was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► introduced in the little key know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► when the CEO of Amazon Amazon whose name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► I can't last name I can't pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► builds up to pulling out the fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► saying look at our tablet it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► over everything he's showing a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► name-brand services that Apple Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► that Amazon provides it was like Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► Prime ec2 Amazon Web Services I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► know if he had s3 up there it and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► like how can we make a product that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► builds on all the and what he's saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► is how can we make a product that builds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► on our services like we have great cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► services we want a product to unify and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► expose them and that's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► angle than Apple or any other hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► makers coming out of Apple's not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► we have these great network services how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► can we get them to you they're saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► have this great hardware product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► through it we'll make some stuff for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► to do with it like you buy from a store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► and we'll make this iCloud thing to sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► your stuff like it's the the cart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► the horse are reversed in both of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► situations here so it's fascinating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► see a network cloud I hate st. cloud but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► I don't have another good name for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► cloud services company saying that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► what we're going to build on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► we're all focusing on like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► Amazon's gonna be a way for you to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► stuff and it is and that's entirely true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► that's I'm not discounting I'm just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► talking about it because it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► obvious at this point but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► interest more interesting point from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► this presentation that I came away was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► they are building on their services kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► of in a way that Google does although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► Google doesn't pimp their services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► individually but like that's what the N [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► makes it's bad for Apple I think because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► there are two big competitors Google and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► Amazon both have strengths in this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► that Apple is weak and the two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► took years and years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► to get those strengths you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► them overnight you can't hire a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► people and get that strength the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► way that Google can't hire like couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► of designers and have like oh now now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► can make hardware and software as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► as Apple to be able to design hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► as well as Apple it takes decades uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► can't just get that overnight and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► same way I think Apple is really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► behind on this cloud stuff and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► important the next thing I have in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► is a link from our friend Horus Horus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► yeah co-host of critical path here on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► this very show very Network rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► I haven't listened to his latest episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► yet because I'm behind so maybe talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► about those buddy just posted something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► today it was great it was the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► against the Kindle as a low-end tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► disruption mmm we didn't talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► very much so he's what he's discussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► is that low price that I was talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► about obviously Canton Amazon strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► is get the price down get this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► and the model is we make money on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► blades now on the razor so here's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► razor use this thing to buy stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► us in that look than that perspective is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► like well how does all the speedy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► we just talked about is this silk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► business play into that it plays into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► I guess if you're using the amazon.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► website through your tablet to buy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► and that doesn't hurt it plays into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► in a way from that Chris Espinosa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► article I'll talk about in a little a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► minute but that's that's well what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► you think John what do you think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► making on this thing when they sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► so that was Horace this point the Horace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► point is that if you look at this device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► and look at their pricing doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► like they have much big margins like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► certainly not Apple size margins you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► know 30% 40% note like they're not these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► are not big margins because as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► people pointed out as you talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► with Gruber that people seem to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► that the hardware is very similar to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► PlayBook hardware and a playbook was way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► more expensive than the fire even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► it's like fire sale haha fire sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► prices from the vendor was like we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► all this stuff we were supposed to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► play books and that's not quite working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► discount but it you and it's seven-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► instead of a tinge tablet so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► the same price as an iPad because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► screen is less expensive and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► and has less memory everything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► but if if they're not losing money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► the margins are really really small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► right so Horace's point is that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► have a really low margin product and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► you're going to make your money back by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► selling the the blades you're but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► selling the books movies whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► that's where you plan to get your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► in your whole strategy is give everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► this thing through which they can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► stuff from us it takes a long time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► make the money back even if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► taking a lot so it's like to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► know Apple as soon as it sells you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► iPad gets the whatever 30% margin on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► $500 product right how long does it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► to make that same amount of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► by selling $0.99 book on 99 cent books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► 99 cent songs or $9 books and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► to give some portion of the money to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► artist you know as a retailer it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► harder to make money if you look at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► Apple Apple does a pretty good business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► retailing digital media but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► making them their money they they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► well we run our music store like around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► break-even like they're making money but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► it's not big big money yeah but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► makes big pink money selling you those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► computers those Mac books and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► iPads and they make it as soon as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► buy it you buy that iPad boom that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► their profit right in their pocket they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► don't have to wait to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► attach rate will be which is how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► videogame industry I think that use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► elsewhere how much other stuff will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► buy for how many games will you buy when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► you buy your console I know the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► example that Horus use in the Articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► game consoles game consoles have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► similar model where they sell you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► game console either at a loss sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► at a big loss or it just barely break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► the only exception in that world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► Nintendo which has historically sold his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► console its consoles never at a loss at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► a small profit or whatever but then for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► the people who do sell it at a loss or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► whatever to make your money you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► oh I gotta sell this guy a lot of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► because the margins on games are great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► just gotta print a CD or DVD or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► cartridges you know and we make huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► margins on the games so we want to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► as many games as possible and what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► means is you have to keep that console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► in the market for years because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► longer you keep that console in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► market a the cheaper it gets to make so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► in your first or second year yeah of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► thing maybe you're taking a loss of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► breaking even but in your third fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► and fifth year it's become you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► technology event has advanced to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► point where now you can make that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► console way way cheaper sometimes as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► case in Sony they reduce the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► chips until the entire consoles down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► like one chip after it's been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► market for years like a Sony start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► introducing the slim versions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► PlayStation 2 PlayStation 3 it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► they can make it even cheaper fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► chips smaller size lower power more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► reliable their margins on that hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► are going up finally but you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► leave it in the market for years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► during that time you know PC gamers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► everybody else that technology has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► advanced so game the game consoles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► old and slow or whatever but the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► they're left in the market for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► is because they need that they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► make their money back like they took you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► PlayStation 3 they sold and they sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► it takes a long time to make that money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► back and then you get into the fat part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► where you're like now finally we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► cranked I'm really making profit those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► these Playstations are so cheap for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► to make we sell them we still get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► 40% margins but selling these cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► PlayStation twos but in slim model and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► and people are buying games like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► or developers who've really figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► how to make games like they want to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► in that fat profit zone for the longest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► possible time but what it means is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► the products don't get better that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► now compare this to Apple where Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► makes its money by making you the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► product they they put out the iPad one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► and they're not like let's let the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► one stay in the market for four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► years so we can really milk that no they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► want they want the profit from selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► the device they're not trying to milk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► you music sales profits or your video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► rental profits or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► they need to get the iPad 2 out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► pronto so people will buy a new iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► give them another 50 60 70 80 90 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► in profit uh so all their profits are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► apples profits are earned immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► and immediately fold back fold it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► into development and they end and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► release a new better one now the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► console makers as soon as a game console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► comes out they start working on the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► one like maybe even before that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► probably before the PlayStation 3 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► launched or you know in this generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► is a little bit variability but maybe 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► historically they've been working on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► next console as soon as possible so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► not like they're sitting on their thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► but they know they can't put out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► next console like why would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► they be they'd be killing the Golden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► Goose they'd we're just getting into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► part where we're raking in the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► let's not put out a new console we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► to just let this sit for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► make our money and then you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► a four or five year cycle or two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► three year cycle at least ah but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► it's very different when Apple Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► wants to get a new one out every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► get your money now Amazon what Horace is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► saying is very student is a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► like the game console guys because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► want to make their money I want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► his money on the on selling new video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► and books and movies and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► you can buy through your Amazon device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► right and that's a slower way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► money it it's not you know the Amazon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► not going to be burning down the door to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► release a much better version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► Kindle Fire six months from now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► the this is the theory in your article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► anyway now I think the the counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► been releasing Kindles pretty regularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► as it been a yearly basis maybe the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► room can tell I think it's been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► than a year but maybe the chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► knows us but I feel like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► every it's not like every year they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► come out with a new one because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► been Kindles have been out for more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► a few years yeah and Horace's point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► the point is that like you can only do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► that if the advances you can make to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► your to the device part of it aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► that big of a deal it's like yeah we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► make you a better thing but like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► mature technology and they're not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► many big advances whereas Apple's iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► devices are still or have so far been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► something that's like wow yeah the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► one would like the Retina display yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► this is a big step up it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► a tiny little incremental change right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► obviously they get way faster compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► the a5 iPad to the original iPhone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► we're still in that part we're in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► business selling tablet type devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► smart phones and stuff we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► making the big leaps and so if you sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► out a year a year and a half or two long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► and this weird saying this because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► iPhone 4 it's been out for 18 months or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► whatever you know other people can eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► your lunch by putting out a new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► so if you try to let these kindle fires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► not advanced as fast to say the ipad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► advancing eventually your Kindle Fire is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► even with all this silk stuff is looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► pretty you know old and crusty right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► they're saying Kindle the Kindle 3 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► toxic sushi is saying the Kindle 3 is 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► months old and W summer says it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► every two but I would say oh the Kindles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► if you look at them like what did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► really change besides making it cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► and that's different than when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► does Apple maintains the price and adds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► more stock now don't they make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► cheaper though I mean there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► people who are saying that the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► Kindle I'm not talking about the Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► Fire and things were introduced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► other day but I'm saying that the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► the the Kindle for lack of a better term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► the the darker Kindle versus the earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► lighter Kindle a lot of people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► complaining and saying it's they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► using lower quality components or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► components yeah but as you say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► their model because they want they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► to get the price down they're not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► to like what I was going to say is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► they keep releasing new Kindles they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► not like all this Kindle the screen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► this Kindle makes a little past Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► screen looks like crap of course I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► is green it's the surrounding they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► through the screen but then you'd buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► and you'd be like all right so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► screen is a little bit better but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► rest of the Kindles feeling pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► cruddy and I guess they were even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► the graphite one when you hold it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► know it's lighter it's smaller but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► does it doesn't feel like it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► cheaper here and can you imagine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Apple makes it stuff than or two but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► when they make them thinner they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► make them feel cheaper you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► they feel better with time because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► so I actually think if you were to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► up an iPhone 4 in compared to anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► that came before it progressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► they're getting denser and and nicer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► higher-quality overall and that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► apples really good at doing they almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► never even know who was it that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► was it Marco I forget who was that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► they had taken pretty sure was Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► they were taking close-ups of even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► the slight edge on the aluminum those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► Marco the magnetized less sharp and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► just let just in a such a subtle way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► edges of the aluminum chassis are less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► sharp than they used to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► previous generation it's the subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► obviously it would cost more money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► round off the edges than it would to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► just leave them sharp since they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► making them with a laser whatever uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► whereas the Kindles gone the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► there they're still too sharp but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► yeah so the this is a very difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► philosophy and and even though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► Kindles have been revved they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► revved in ways that don't make you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► oh man I need the new Kindle so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► more than the past one because of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► big quality improvement yeah now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► touch addition and removing the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► and stuff is helping there but I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► interesting to see what the quality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► like on the new Kindles you that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► order one of the e-ink ones are just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► fire I order just the fire yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► because this is this is another this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► another question is how many people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► sitting there with the Kindle saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► this one isn't good enough I need I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► to get the touch one now I need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► the other one now and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► Amazon is concerned about that whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► Apple would be concerned if you had your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► iPad one and you saw the iPad to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► out and one yeah I don't really need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► iPad 2 and some people did do that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► same thing with the phone like it iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► 4 comes out with the Retina display if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► you would say my 3ds ok some people did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► that but there are a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► like oh man I need that iPhone 4 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► but Amazon as far as its concerned if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► you want to keep using your Kindle one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► very original Kindle and you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► plunking than money and buying their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► books they're okay with that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► have a problem it's a different model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► now what Horace was saying is that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► the market for tablets like maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► can get away with that with e-readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► but in the market for tablets it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► be that if they don't Rev the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► revs like don't just give us a new fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► in a year but give us a new fire that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► like that is - the original fire like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► the iPad - was the iPad one if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► don't do that kind of jump two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► iterations and Apple's tablets are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► much better than the fire that it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► of like oh you got one of those fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► things yeah that it have nice content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► and all but yeah no come on it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► you're using Windows 95 and roll or iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► 10 so yeah some of the chatroom points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► out that Apple might not be concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► don't get it every time they just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► to get them every second revision or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► whatever but the point is Apple makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► its money selling selling the thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► they want to give you a reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► upgrade whereas as Amazon is not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► into that and will be very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2998">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► to see can you can you sell it a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► like that can you sell it tab like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► game console where you just let it sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► in the market and the other ones get so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► much but especially there's a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► competitor it's as if there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► other reason ball game consoles sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► this but don't do this but it's as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► you come with the PlayStation 2 and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► sit let it sit there for five years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► during that time your competitor makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► five new console versions so by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► your five comes around PlayStation 2 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► competing against something that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► graphics that are like 60 times better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► and as in control and as all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► things you're like that's not how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► console market works for variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► other reasons I'm going to do with game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► compatibility and libraries and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► schedules and IP and blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► people want us to do a gaming show maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► we will let a in this market apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► already they're doing the thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► they make you want the new iPad Amazon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► coming into that later and saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► have this thing it looks like an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► but we're going to treat it differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► or it seems like they're going to treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► it differently uh but we'll see so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► thought that was a very astute insight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► into how Amazon's model is different the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► different entry is the difference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► content way that we all talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► different in the building on your cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► services in area where the apples weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► which is something that I noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► and in the pricing structure of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► they're going to make their money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► how and what they want you to do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► consumer behavior that they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► encourage now competitively I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► being low-priced I didn't get a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► to talk about those iPhone stuff so I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► just throw it in a little bit at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► here I think being low-priced is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► important and as I've said for years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► was saying that Apple needs to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► particular get it on more carriers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► was saying get on Verizon you know ASAP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► because it's kind of too late I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► getting to be too late and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► barely got it in time I think spread the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► thing out and start doing what you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► with the iPod diversify make the cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► low-cost ones and they kind of do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► with it leave the old one in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► and stuff like that but I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► really needs to step it up Tim Cook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► always like sasaeng he's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► leave was it he's not going to leave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► price umbrella or he's not going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► a price umbrella some phrases saying I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3118">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► not going to leave a gap in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► where our competitors can come in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► make sales that we can't make because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► weren't meeting a price point Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► won't make crap but at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► you can make a pretty darn good phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► like you know the 3GS it's not a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► phone it's pretty good smartphone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► it's not as good as iPhone 4 but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► when the new one comes out presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► they can make the iPhone 4 cheap enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► for that to be the $49 model or one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► whatever Apple needs to push down into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► the market with good quality phones even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► if they're just last year's phones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► something maybe make you know diversify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► in the same way that you had the Nano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► and the classic and the shuffle they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► all iPods with the three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► products and you don't feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► getting last year's product is you oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I'm getting this year's shuffle even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► though you know this year's shuffle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► no greater than last you know last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► year's shuffle really it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► shuffle compared to the big fancy one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► right I think Apple needs to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► pushing down pushing down price-wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► with the iPad if it's just with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► model the iPad fine or maybe diversified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► and have a high end alone but definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► with the phone push down to that $49 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► phone and don't just make it last year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► model because I think it's a stigma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► attached to it because Amazon is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► Kindles right there they're selling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► lot they're going to sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► razors that way and I think Amazon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► ability to make money off the blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► continuing this belaboring this analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► is better than Apple's ability because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► they just have a wider selection they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► selling stuff apples great about selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► digital stuff and especially great about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► selling apps and Amazon is not nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► competitive there but that one sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► like I'm son sells everything like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► sell you lawn chairs do that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► you're not going to get the lawn chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► on your device but it'll be delivered to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► your house but you bought it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► them like Amazon is that is the retail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► king and so I think they have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► bandwidth to make the big bucks selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► the blades than Apple does with just its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► catalog of stuff that has now now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► said there's a couple questions so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► I ask you one oh one of them relates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► iPods another relates to Amazon Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► and now we also need to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► Fringe but before we do that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► want to do our second sponsor can we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► that you can okay did were you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► unplugging I was just taking a drink of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► water okay with you it's alright maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► there was a long rant sifter so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► sponsor it's an intentionally basic bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► track or what does this mean well these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► days teams are made up of much more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► developers they're not all hardcore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► programmers anymore you've got designers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► a lot of the time you want your clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► involvement of a client you need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► them to be able to get in there and file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► bugs and help you figure stuff out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► mean you've got business team members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► you've got people in sales you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► non-technical users that's the key here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► well it's important to get everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► involved it can't just just be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► developers anymore this is 2011 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► most bug trackers are great for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► developers but they're they're not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► good for people who are not technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► and there's a very fine line between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► providing these great features for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► developers the ones they need to use but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► designers declines your non-technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► people and get them to participate well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► sifter focuses obsessively on making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► sure that non-technical team members are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► comfortable diving in and that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► helping close bugs and in close issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► and go to sifter app comm you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► this thing free for for 30 days and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► try it out whether you're just a lone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► developer whether you've got a whole you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► know thousand person team doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► check them out sifter app comm written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► by the amazing Garrett diamond go check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► so your question is to remember them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► iPods we'll start with that I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► groover about this on the talk show this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► week but I wanted to get your take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► because you are you are an avid iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► user you have three iPod Touches is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► correct that's correct three of those do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► you have any regular iPods or do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► kids cuz you've got kids yeah we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► quite a collection of iPod and quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► collection of kids just to just to mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► alright I thought you were adding some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► upgrading now you're just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► do they have iPods traditional iPods or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► are they using the two of the touches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► they're using one of the share one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► the touches great kids you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► technology yeah well you know they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► grab bars when everything gets a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► handsome it's not like they feeling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► propriety towards down what do you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► of the rumors that are saying that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► traditional iPod the iPod Classic may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► everything except the iPod Nano well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► and the iPod Touch will go will go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► go the way of the dinosaur I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► classic is over - is it like do you I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► you keep a product like that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► market just for DJ's there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► who who enjoy and use the classic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► they will be annoyed when it's gone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► there's I don't think is enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► those people I'm amazed that it's stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► around maybe stay there and of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► nostalgia kind of the way they kept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► Mac you know member the Mac classic - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3417">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► like the only reason that form factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3418">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► was around because it was like classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► coke kind of marketing angle and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► nostalgia so so yeah I don't I don't I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► not going to be surprised if the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► goes away I thought I think it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► have been gone already and my other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► question about the touch yeah I mean do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► you so you're saying then that the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► which has far far far less storage than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► the iPod Classic and is more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► at the lower end than the higher-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► matte classic you I'm not Classic iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► Classic you're saying that the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► Touch is going to replace essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► fill the fill the space of the iPod no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► think nothing is going to fill that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► space for a while like nothing can fill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► whatever those things one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► little hard drives are up to it though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► they have to 160 or something in for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► big they were so what do people do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► don't don't you flash will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► point but until it does apples not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► to be crying over the fact they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► have an offering at 160 gigs really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► they'll just met DJ's have 360 gigs iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► classics anyway so now they'll have six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► ipod touches or they'll just use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► laptop or there's so many so many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► options it's not it's not a consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► problem where people are saying I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► that 160 gig model and you cannot remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► it from the line until you give me an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► alternative 160 gig model that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► problem that Apple has so you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► obligated in some way you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► don't feel that they will now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► not obligated to unless this consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► who want to buy there's not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► people who need that much storage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► music cuz just not huh I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► just I think I think they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► keep this thing around I just it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► it feels wrong to me it feels wrong to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► me that is something doesn't feel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► I feel like I mean I won't be shocked if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► they get rid of this thing they can keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► it or I mean like it so should we drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► it now because I want I want to have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► of these John or the classic you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► yeah well what so what's the cost of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► then keeping around there like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► doesn't cost us anything to keep them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► around not even only a few people buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► them like this obviously it cost them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► something to keep around but that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► have accountancy we're going to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► is how much money we'll save who we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► ditch this line there's not much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► we made from it last year this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► trend line how much more money we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► going to make from this year it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► business decision it's not know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► more than that you but that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► saying how what does it cost the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► to keep it around well you have stock to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► deal with I you want to sell as many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► the same thing as possible if you sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► only a few of a thing then you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► have some constant overhead for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► product line dealing with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► manufacturing those components and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► buying a small quantity of those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► hard drives that starts to cost you much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► more than buying a humongous quantity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► the flash and yeah it's talk to an MVA I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► don't know the details but it comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► to a business decision based on pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► clear mouth and the only thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► might enter in into it is sentimentality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► or for example ruin either DJ market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► even though we don't make enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► and we really need those guys because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► they are the thought leaders in consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► electronic buying but they're not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► yes I think they'll be pretty upset if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► they take that away one more thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► Amazon before we yeah to jump back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► that is that someone uh actually no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► think I found this myself somehow there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► unsubstantiated rumor that says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► shopping cart will it click buy well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► Amazon would have bought with one click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► first of all but right now the remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► we talked about like I suggest that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that pom seems to be out of favor at HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► Amazon could really use a company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► that they would let it have even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► full ownership over its OS and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► said was like that was the time to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► the conversation before you release your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► tablet decide do we want palm do we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► to put off our tablet thing and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Amazon apparently decided they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► definitely putting out their tablet now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► it's important to get into the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► they're going to go with what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► developed which is this Android thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► but it's not doesn't really look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► Android and what I said was that even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► they decide no we have to ship now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► got to get in the market it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► get the ball rolling they're not closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► the door on some day buying palm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► forest fire sale prices and getting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► own their own OS because the Amazon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► Kindle Fire 2 or whatever the heck they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► call the next version of it could run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► webOS no but notice the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► you'll notice is like well you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► apps from the Android App Store that run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► on the thing but I really do not see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► fire being positioned as a you know hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► run apps on it that it does that but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► maybe will develop for it and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► sell a whole julien fire you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► that's their angle at all you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► that's part of the thing but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► that's not what their strengths is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► what they're leaning on if if they fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► marker i it fall backwards into it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► won't complain so if they sell tons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► tons of fires because they're just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► cheap and people just want to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► developers are going to perk up and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► well you know we got to start developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► for that but their expertise is not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► supporting developers or treating them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► nicely or not giving away their apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► free because they agreed to it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3718">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► Terms of Service or changing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► prices all these things that they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► mags Apple look like a dream to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► with so I'm not banking on I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► Amazon is Bank on the strength as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► application maker and that's why I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► to going with webOS and owning your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► OS if they decide that strategically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► important for them because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Google is a competitor but they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► their technology and that's not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► long-term way to go you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► whatever is underpinning the Kindles as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► Linux and stuff like that but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► it's is not owned and controlled by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► another competitor company right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► think that this rumor of them buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► even though simply unsubstantiated is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► that the fact that this is in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► it's something that we're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► at the very least I was at Amazon should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► hire all the people who are being laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► off from HP or her work group um but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► very least get the talent right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► there's a very small pool of the talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► of people who can work on mobile devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► and stuff like that and the pond people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► did great work they made a great product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► you want those people even if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► want the company you want the people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► buying palm I still think it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► talking about and as I said the previews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► can't broadcast I have very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► arguments for and against buying palm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► but I don't like the fact I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► Amazon I would not like the fact that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► are using Android did we have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► that word that our apps are Android apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► even though we have our own store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► it's separate and we're not using Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► stuff and is open source it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► little Wiggy you know yeah fringe fringe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► announcement predictions is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► refuse every show we have to we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► I guess I stopped I guess we can't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► about the fringe then yeah yeah let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► hear what do you predict but now first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► you refuse to make good prediction on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► the talk shows like you know I made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► pre made it what was it then those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► reiterated my prediction was that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► will and and I mean maybe I'm changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► this because I've been thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► a lot I think that the iPhone for form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► factor is a great form factor for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► reasons that that John said on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► episode we should probably put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► the show notes but he gave a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► really good reasons why Apple would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► go with a teardrop shape as everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► has been predicting and it if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► asked me to make a prediction about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► I had heard those arguments I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► said duds gonna be tears a teardrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► shape dummy but now I'm hearing all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► his arguments against it I'm if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► very difficult for me to see why Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► would create something that in short is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► an unbalanced device and if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► all of their devices that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► portable all the iOS devices they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► balanced you can hold them in it up or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► down and that's absolutely one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► strengths if you compare how effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► you can rotate an iOS device sideways or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► even upside down depending on the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► you don't need to know which end is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► you don't need to know that and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► that's icing I think a huge strength of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► the platform is that it works just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► well upside down as it does right side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► up or side with whatever it's just great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► that way and the rotation is seamless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► all the apps just do it it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► criteria for submitting an app and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► many cases that it has to work that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► something that would not be balanced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► your hands when you're holding it upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► compelling argument against a teardrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► shape so I'm gonna say and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► I'm okay being wrong about this but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► Apple if they do a tear drop shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► they'll have a compelling reason as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► why they did it that way but I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► to say that it's going to be the similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► form factor to what we have right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► surprised if it was lighter or thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► but I think that the iPod Touch is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► the edge of thinness I don't think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► can go any thinner than that and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► comfortably hold and not worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► snapping in half like it like a match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► stick or toothpick I made you go first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► biggest when you're on talk-show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► were swayed by uber going first you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► like you know those are all like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► know strong opinion of your own you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► go at the end the last guy who talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► about it was very convincing but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► gonna listen someone else where you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► with that opinion coming from the wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► convinced by what he said that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► there's no way that they could do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► unbalanced shape now if they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► it'll-it'll I'll really want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► what they're thinking is for it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► look at this look go back to the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► first the very first iPhone even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► iPod itself is a balance device and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► I've used the iPod upside-down plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► times but it's still balanced and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► don't see that as a downside I see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► as an upside I don't I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► think I think it'll be a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► before we see a teardrop shape I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► obviously with it's a people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► speculating about that but now I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► sitting you're looking on I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► but I'll tell you what I want I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► lighter even if it's the same thickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► I just want this thing to be lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► this is a heavy phone it's heavy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► density that's getting you yeah all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► right so we there was a fault the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► orientation because we did have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► people falling up on the orientation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► like iOS devices and apps being rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► for different orientations yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► thought I'd waffled enough on this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► apparently not last time we discussed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► I said Apple wants it to work in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► orientations and they might reject your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► app if you're willfully not working in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► some orientation that you could but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► course there are apps that only work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► landscape in the example I gave was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► games lots of games are only landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► and stuff like that so people felt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► need to send me messages to tell me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► point me to the exact section of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► orientations on the iPad in particular a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► buddy grap needs to run an only portrait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► or landscape you should and it gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► bunch of examples for if it has to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► so on and so forth so yes the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► doesn't require that every single app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► I was just comparing it to Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► saying if you want to work on only on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► 11 inch 16 by 9 tablet you can make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► app only work in this very specific case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► offering that as an example is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► different from Apple trying to say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► should work on all the orientations less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► you have a good reason if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► so that was worth bringing up now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► the for the predictions for this yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► what do you say the thing now Gruber and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► I discussed this actually after the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► agreement they don't the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► I'll say is that I think it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► wedge-shaped in teardrop shaped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► shape that keeps showing in those rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► I have the same everything you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► about that the wedge shape is true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► my big objection to the web shape in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► terms like is is a good idea to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► web shape besides all the stuff he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► like battery technology is not advancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► that fast if you make it wedge-shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► you are subtracting battery and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► what's inside the phone is battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► there's not a lot of room and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► basically just a big battery and a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► tiny circuit board float around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► edges barely and then a screen on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► it this is the big battery if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► it wedge you are subtracting a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► big amount of space that could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► holding battery and for what so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► thinner but only on one side what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► that you know thinner is one thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► oh I we made a thinner phone if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► just thinner on one side what is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► I can now do with my phone or increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► comfort that is worth the battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► I'm losing from you shaving off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► edge now it could be that if the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► part of the rumors are true that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► actually a bigger screen and stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► we're actually using battery because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► what we cut off in the thickness we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► gained in width and height because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► whole phone is bigger that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► possible as well where I come down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► the phone is that I will be I'll do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► insanely shocked if this phone has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► glass back on it all right I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► very surprised I agree with ya it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► be very surprised if this phone does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► have a new form factor so like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► completely different form factor not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► just something and it does thinner count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► as a new form factor something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► immediately recognizable if it was next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► to an iPhone 4 that it's not an iPhone 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► well they want that and I think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► consumers expect that and I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► would be a lot of grumblings of oh they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► didn't change the form factor it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► same old phone you know no I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► have to but I don't know about a tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► drop so the thing is that before getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► up like that why would it look different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► right I think they're overdue for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► design now the thing against that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► looking different is you remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► the MacBooks sort of like went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► unibody they had a period of stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► or even even before the unibody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► aluminum book there's a period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► stability in MacBook and MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► design where it's like it's silver it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► rectangular the keyboards in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► the power button is there there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► screen and the details changed but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► have like a middle period where despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► the fact that they were revving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► cases every single version even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► just changing the ports on the side like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► on a MacBook with fire or without like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► oh it's a new case I can tell it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► one but they decided that it like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► of like Porsche 911 this is what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► product looks like a MacBook is a silver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► box it looks like this this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► trackpad you know minor differences with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► button or no button or whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► could have decided this is what an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► iPhone looks like it's rectangular solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► with flat front and back curved curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► top and bottom the antennas around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► side and we'll change the details like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► maybe it's not glass or maybe we use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► two things and doesn't look like an Oreo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► sandwich anymore or whatever but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► this is the shape that's the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► making me like what would make them not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► change it I think it needs to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► all-new case I think it will be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► although case now finally the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► piece of that is something definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► not a glass back almost certainly a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► case but then it's like oh so right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► fine is that case teardrop shaped and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► that's where we get into my hemming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► hawing about the battery what but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► leaning towards for the teardrop thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► is but well there's so much noise about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► this ear drop thing I have to imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► that if it's not released it was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► least a possibility or something you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► right but the thing I leaned towards in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► the teardrop is like maybe that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► the new iPhone maybe that's new iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► could benefit from the bigger screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► because people use iPod Touches kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► like as a gaming alternative you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► you know what I mean yeah like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► teardrop thing as the new iPod Touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► they always do weird crap with the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Touch yeah they're sacrificing battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► but maybe gets wider it's going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► a better camera or credit your camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► the screens not as nice the screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► bigger but it's not as nice as the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► iPhone like they do all sorts of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► on Apple like stuff with the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► because they have to keep the price down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► it's not subsidized right they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► make it as good as the iPhone 4 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► 800 bucks so when I see that teardrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► thing if it appears I would be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► surprised to see that that's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► the iPod Touch assuming there even are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► new iPod touch assume there will be uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► so so that's what I think I think new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► case for the iPhone no glass back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► probably something that's identifiable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► immediately as not the same as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► current iPhone 4 and teardrop I'm down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► I'm down with all the anti teardrop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► things I just think just because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► think it's a dumb idea doesn't mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► not going to be introduced in an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► product they do they do we ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► syncretic stuff all think of the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► then they don't bad a thousand and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► would love to hear how they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► explain to me why that taper is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► thing because we all know the reason so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► it's not a good thing what why is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► worth doing that what what about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► makes it feel better work better be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► to fit into better pockets maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► comes out of your pocket easier if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► have any kind of rationale or if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► just go and look at this nice taper next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► slide like if they do that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► Steve Jobs would do if he didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► good reason he'd be like he'd say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► it's like I'm look at this great taper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and moving on and we just left to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► you know the press is left either say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► agree and say oh look at the nice paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► without thinking critically of like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► what's great about what is it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► takes away battery size but what does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► even I don't know so I am all flustered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► about this but I will still be shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► if it doesn't have a new case and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► not tear drew wedge-shaped not tear drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► I don't think it looks tear drop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► yeah they look wedge-shaped in profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► wedge and also you can talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► too much but like would you like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► phone your iPhone to get bigger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► width and height no most people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► think he get a little bit bigger and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► feel like visit have you seen the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► Droid the big honking droids like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► 4G things but I don't how big the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► screens are but they seem like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► big like it's not a 7-inch tablet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► you're like what the heck am i holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► here I feel it's like that side talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► thing yeah hold them your Mac Pro up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► I mean you know again I think I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► you ant most of the people that I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► to who are iPhone 4 owners if you ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► them what they think of it they'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► they like it I'll say did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► what's wrong with it those ants a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► heavy and I in the course of glass back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► what will replace the glass back yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► that's that's why they keep going around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► in circles with this because you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► to be metal for durability but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► so great for the antenna the back is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► metal and when you if you make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► external antenna you get a touch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► internal inside a cheap plastic back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► because that has a really good RF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► performance you don't you need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► right but that doesn't look nice so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► they're like well glass that's not bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► for RF and we can get the strong glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► and it is strong for bending but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► don't break them by bending them most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► grass can withstand a lot but yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► still shatters it's not like replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► the back isn't that big of a deal it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► not that expensive to do but and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► looks really nice I bet they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► happy with how it looks as a product but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► I think they want to experiment more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► carbon-fibre part aluminum like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► iPhone one was but part flat I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► know there's lots of places they can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► with it if they can get it to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► a metal back with just some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► radio transparent plastic section like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► all the plastic apples where the radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► come through like they kind of do on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► the iPad and stuff like that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► know that's that's their problem to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► out they have conflicting requirements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► they're good RF performance but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► attractive means dirty will the iPhone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► be John Syracuse's first iPhone I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► let my wife listen to this episode she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► still desperately wants an iPhone and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► still say the plans are too expensive if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► it's teardrop shaped I have another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► reason so I'll come on we're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► that teardrop shape now you're way doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► it wet it was wedged I know and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► now you got me doing it I would I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► like an iPhone I don't want to pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► the data plans and the voice plans I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► don't use a mobile phone that much so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► just keep getting iPod Touches and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► disappointed in the ways that the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► Touch does not measure up to the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► generation phone mm-hmm so I'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► another ipod touch okay fringe 77 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► minutes in here hmm when you want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► about French you liked it you were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► remain much more enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► fringe than I am and I thought that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► that episode we just saw was not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► episode I was I was saying that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► you know was okay um I know a lot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► lot of people who are new to fringe who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► loved that episode yeah you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► know one person I can't believe she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► liked like that's not representative of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► the show it wasn't a good example of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► episode I don't know they're just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► she liked it to make you feel better she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► liked it no I do like it for real and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► what did you what did you like about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► didn't have Pacey hahaha damn fine man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► well seriously what what did you I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► obviously I I was intrigued by it maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► that's a better way to say I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipkmj8w8/4662">TS</a>]
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