00:00:03 ◼ ► this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► technologies and businesses nothing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► so perfect that it cannot be utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/11">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► obliterated by my co-host John siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► I'm damned Benjamin this is episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/18">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► number 35 and we'd like to say thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► and Rackspace we'll tell you more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► them as we go on we also want to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► that bandwidth for this show is provided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► by - Green Tech Virtual Private servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► submerged in oil if free bandwidth today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► - green tech comm / 5x5 how are you John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/38">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► siracusa you keep changing a tagline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► it's it's nothing so perfect that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► can't be complained about the planning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► aspect is supposed to emphasize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► pettiness and ridiculousness oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► but you will iterate to know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► makes it sound like I'm taking down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► thing you are but I am totally not I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► mostly just whining and complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/62">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► that's why the word complaining is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► realize it sounds too earnest no no I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► mean it you can do that occasionally as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► long as it's clear that what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► ridiculousness of the statement but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► it's repeated show after show sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/78">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► like that is that the tagline I've only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/80">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► listened to three episodes and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/81">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► always say obliterated so you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/82">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► obliterated ever before oh I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/85">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► a lot lots of synonyms for that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/88">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► think you have said it obliterated a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► times before I don't know you point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► mixing complaint mixing the the verbatim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► I was loci Paul I apologize I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► it's not you know I guess the show's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► over now yeah well this is the follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► Corrections and and react before - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► have follow-up for the show that hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► happening now you're soaking in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► alright next up the number one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► you're on fire today John the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► follow-up I have is for you it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► even for me did you read this one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► maybe it was about something you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► about that I didn't comment on beside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► didn't know anything about it but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► is stuff that he does to Star Wars God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and you brought up an analogy by way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/137">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► explaining that what Lucas was doing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► not put this other person was doing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/144">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► think that was the point up but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/145">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► about the Clockwork Orange novel yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► Anthony Burgess yes and you got a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► of Corrections from people pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► that final chapter yeah do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► do this correction but you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/157">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► about them no I tell me tell me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► respond so I think what you said was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► that he added these chapters they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► a final chapter to the novel after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► fact and that either was or wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► what George Lucas was doing but in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► the couple people who wrote in said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► that final chapter was in the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► and then it was taken out it was removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► from the versions that were sent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/180">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► certain countries and then put back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/182">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► that's correct I don't like that version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► of history and I tell it my own life all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► right well I just wanted to point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► you did actually get a book I did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► that is true and and the story goes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► he did write the chapter and as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/194">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► mentioned it was included and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/198">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► something I knew a lot about it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► depending on where so I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► that American audiences never saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► chapter until a rerelease of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► later and perhaps the UK audiences did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► backwards anyway the point is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► said different different publishers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► versions of that some where I'm sorry if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► I'm Luke where Alex is it ends with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/225">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► statement I was cured all right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/232">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► in other ones there's a whole additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► chapter that shows Alex coming back home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and seeing Pete Georgie and dim doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► different things and anyway and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/243">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► him starting over with a new crew with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► that kind of anyway I having having a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/250">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► saw the movie first and I read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► after and I did both of those things at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► about age 16 or 17 and and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/259">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► and at first I thought all that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► was kind of neat and then later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/269">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► thinking you know it's it is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► bit more interesting if you leave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► off it doesn't quite tie things up as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► well and that's more like life so in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► mind it's almost like as you as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/279">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► pretend we never there was no Godfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► 3i to me that that last chapter is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► more like the Godfather 3 than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► like George Lucas coming back in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► tweaking things that should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► tweaked because in fact it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/296">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► written later it was written originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/297">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► and just without so there you go alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/298">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► I think that clarifies your intent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► little bit okay just right before we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► off the Star Wars topic there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/307">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► more reader letter from Aaron Pressman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► he said that he heard me say that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► should ever have the prequels in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/314">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► house if they can help it Brian I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► and he says so I'm guessing you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► have a son aged 6 to 12 well in fact I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► do have a son aged 6 to 12 and he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► pointing out that his son watches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► prequels and likes them and he can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► dissuade him from the idea that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/327">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► prequels are good yeah and can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► them to like the older movie so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► he made a very important mistake which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► was first acknowledging the existence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► the prequels that was bad but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► you can't help that because your kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/343">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► talk to their friends but never show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/344">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► your children the prequels like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► even if you have them in the house do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/349">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► not show them to your children my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► have never seen the prequels and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/352">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► entirely they watch they watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► original three Star Wars movies when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/359">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► they want to watch Star Wars and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► Star Wars to them I do let my son watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/361">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► the Clone Wars cartoon on TV because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► it's computer animated a cartoon you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/365">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► know it's kind of like a spinoff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/368">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► type series and it is vaguely related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► the prints prequels and it does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► Gungans and stuff but first of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► prequels movies which is a low bar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/376">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► admit but you know it's a kid show where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/377">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► I although some adults seem to like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► the things and second it satisfies his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► need to have common ground with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► friends to talk about clone troopers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► stuff like that because they exist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/388">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the cartoon thing but no never show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► children the prequels it's just it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► right so I have not shown it to them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► don't I'm assuming eventually when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► an adult he will see them or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/397">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► but it'll be too late by that I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► what I'm trying to do is imprint him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/400">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► like baby birds are imprinted with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/401">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► mother birds you know face imprint him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► I believe I've already done that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/407">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► still has not seen a prequel so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► children the prequels ever so in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► the siracusa house there are two rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/415">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► it seems like three rules and maybe only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► prequels the second rule is no Godfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► commercials I could live there there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/426">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► many more rules but you've got some good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► ones there keep your office fastidious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► my four-year-old knows how to skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/434">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► excellent and they have no desire to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► them you would think sometimes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/443">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► they'd be like oh I want to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► that commercial looks fun interesting no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/445">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► they just want to get back to the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► have not taught them select place like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► 30 select yet people can google that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► they care one more I actually have seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/455">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► more things follow up so this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/460">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► more reader feedback thing Andrew Martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► wrote in to talk about when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/463">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► discussing the home screen on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► remember that like how it's a big grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/471">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► of icons and I was disappointed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► interesting with it yes and I imagined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/475">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► in my fictional Steve Jobs universe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/477">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► alternatives and said let me just do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► grid of icon that works fine on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/484">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► phone well blah he wrote in to remind me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► that the tablet project was first which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I knew and he extends that information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► to say therefore the interface it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► the iPhone actually came from the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► and I don't think we can conclude that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► we know that the tablet came first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► because Steve Jobs has said so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► because it was a Safari pad rumors way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► back when that gets acknowledged from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► official sources that they were working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/509">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► on a tablet first even though the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/510">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► ship first we don't know what that habit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► springboard on or whether the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/515">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► screen was exactly the same so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► forth so I don't think just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► tab was developed first we can assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/521">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► that the iPhones grid of icons was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/523">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► derived from the iPad and even if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► it doesn't matter what path the grid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► to the iPhone when it came time to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► iPad like there's a reason they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/535">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► release the Safari pad or the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► they had before and I don't think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► the reasons are 100% hardware that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► know they didn't think it was ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/542">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► primetime after the phone came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► they read that OS few times and got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► all nailed down and everything then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/547">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► said okay now we know how to do a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► right at that point you know it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► long as if you're beholden to what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► did before and say oh now we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► release like say the iPad did have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► ray of icons bareback one and not now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/558">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► you don't have to release it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/559">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► learned so much more from the phone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► could do something different so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► worth mentioning when we were discussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/568">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► that but I did want to say that I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► about that and didn't doesn't change how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► being never never any markdown follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► this is my own fault because I have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► a little paragraph here and on markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► file but I keep skipping parts of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/583">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► life and last one John Gruber apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► did he even did he even we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► did even if you didn't listen he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► very very busy man yeah you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► needs a lot of sleep I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/594">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► interesting enough for him to bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► assessment but of course I do think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► should listen to every episode of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► Corrections about how I misspoke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► what turns things bold and italic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► the main the main point I had in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► thing which I keep skipping over was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/617">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► that markdown doesn't put out B in ITEX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► it does M and strong tags for emphasis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and strong you know it's it's using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► old style everyone everyone hated being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► I tags is more a thing for the big web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► show we could talk about was Elton but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► presentation tags they were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/635">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► you're telling the thing to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► text bold but you're supposed to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/638">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► semantic markup that says what does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/639">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► mean don't tell me what it's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/640">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► look like I use I thought about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► while you were talking yeah yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► said you know what it nobody cares it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► not worth it well no one cares anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/648">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► but remember as as Merlin so he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► great worthy chosen the Talmudic debates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► about beating the i-x man yes wrong I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► remember those days uh yeah markdown is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/656">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► definitely of that era and so is John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► Gruber for that matter I know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► and I and I assume you were you know cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► the wasp web standards you know and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► people who know who zelma good all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/671">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► yeah so yeah it's still him it's a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► strong instead of being I and me saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► that it admits be and I it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► what else to be and I don't see God so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► that's it for the follow-up I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► have a mini topic before we dive back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► into the Windows 8 stuff which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► sure people liked or didn't like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/691">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► didn't get a lot of good we had almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/692">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► no feedback really yeah I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/693">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► a good sign because when people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► whatever programming aware they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► like but if known says anything I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► it's a thumbs up silence means consent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► but before we do that I want to talk a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/706">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► little bit about Netflix and Qwikster so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► this is a case where the news when did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► that happen on Monday or Sunday maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► Friday but the dinners came in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► other show gets a chance to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/719">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► it before I do because I happen to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/720">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► a Friday sometimes it works in my favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► like I'm the first one to get it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/723">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► something happens on the Thursday but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/724">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► this case it happened early in the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► so I figured by the time I got to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/728">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► covered everything in it and they pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► much did I was also looking around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► web to see if I could find like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/735">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► that everyone has editorials on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► topic I here's what I think about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/740">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► editorials will contain pretty much my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► opinion 100% they I think most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► covered a lot of the bases that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► to talk about but there was one theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► that didn't see expressed explicitly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► a lot of places now it was the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► why does two things why one that my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► complaint about this entire PR apology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► thing that the Netflix put out was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/768">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► I would I always hate about corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/770">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► communications when when I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► even though if it uses plain language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/773">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and everything which Gruber seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► when I think what they're what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► writing in there PR does not reflect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► real motivations for the action or only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► partially reflects them that that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► I don't like or you know intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/786">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► something like that so when they wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► this P odd like here's what we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► here's why we're doing it I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/794">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► believe I didn't find it believable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/795">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► reasons they stated for why they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/797">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► doing it were the reasons not 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► now I do believe that they're afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/801">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► that screaming was going to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/803">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► there were there wouldn't be blindsided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► they were going to be stuck as those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► DVDs by mail guys and they wouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► believe that but then it's like alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► so then what do you do about it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► decided to do this about it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► where I feel like there was a gap in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► them explaining the motivations like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► okay so you decided you this and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► not stupid you must realize you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/822">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► you're not that's if you must realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► how that makes experience worse for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/827">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► counterbalance isn't I can say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/832">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► therefore we're going to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/837">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► to make our customer experience worse no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/838">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► they were afraid of being vegetable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/840">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► therefore we do this thing which helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► us in unsaid way X that we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► to tell you and hurts you in this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► way they will try to shut it down play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/848">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► I really hate corporate communications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► where they don't tell you or they'll you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► know it's not like they're lying to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► about the motivate this is an error of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► omission you know the worst ones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► where they just outright lies they we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► doing this because we think it provides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/862">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► the best experience for customers so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/863">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► don't think they said that you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► didn't explain why they were doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► bad thing but they didn't try to dress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► awesome for customers you know so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► trying to think about and a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/874">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► people trying to go what you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/875">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► are they doing this they must see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/876">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► downside there must be some upside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► helps them towards their stated goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► not you know of being around in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► future I saw a couple of good theories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/884">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► about my one theory that didn't see is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► kind of vague that's probably why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► didn't see a busy if you can't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/891">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► it very well no use writing it up was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/892">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► actually seen the opposite of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/898">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► theory ah but alright having the DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/899">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► negotiating their streaming contracts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/905">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► I've heard people say that it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/907">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► advantage they can use it as a stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► say you know well fine if you don't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► a stream we're just going to buy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► DVDs and you can't stop us from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/913">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► because of the first sale doctrine so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► tough luck I think having a DVD business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► negotiations like it it's a distraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► it was it was something that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► companies didn't like they did and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► you know that this is the bumpy ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► agrees that the streaming people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/932">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► only subscribers you have we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► count them in your per user usage fees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► or whatever for streaming they say but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► don't count them because I never stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► all this so they separate them off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/942">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► on together but I just like having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/943">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► they're like having you guy going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► negotiate streaming and having the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► constantly asking you about and telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► you you know asking you questions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/951">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► and throwing back in your faces DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/952">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► thing it's just separate it so we are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/954">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► streaming only company we're only going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► to go she ate streaming and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► situation in which legally practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► in all possible ways they got no side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► table can't say anything about the DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► business it's a well what about the no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► that's not even us you know even if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► want to do we loved we would love to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► exactly what you say about the DVD visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► but we can't because legally we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► control over them they're a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/978">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► entity there's no you know spin them off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► basically cut cut ties do it new a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► complete separation so that when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► negotiate they negotiate only in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► of streaming the DVD DVD stuff is not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► it is not a distraction and if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► the case I find it weird they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► just say that you know I might just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/995">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► we that's that's the way these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► they're so Paikin obtuse that you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► just you never get there the real deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► corporate culture is such that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► never explain that like that's a that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► an internal strategy that you'd only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► discuss internally you would never tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► customers like we have to get rid of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► DVD thing because it's impairing our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► ability to de gauche e84 streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► contracts for reasons XY and Z because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► that you'd be showing your hand to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► people you're negotiating with and B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► that's like that's like internal stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► right but it still bothers me when like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► you have to make a public relations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► announcement and you can't tell them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► real reason you're doing it of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► there's always the the really cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► thing which is they're just really dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► and make horrible steaks like HP don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► spend too long thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► motivation and some secret reason really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► they're just really dumb and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► horrible mistakes yeah because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► you're afraid you can't make horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► mistakes it's they're kind of admitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► they're afraid like we are afraid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► being you know marginalized and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► here's a horrible mistake in response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► oh and the other thing a quick start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► personal like what they're doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► Netflix in quick store I think you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► that you are still getting both right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► I know I I am only getting the Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► streaming we switched to that a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► ago before the price range oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► before the price change huh well before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► the price change as soon as to be on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► know what you know what I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► switched over to it was probably about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► when did they start offering about three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► years ago I think we switched about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► they within the last within the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► years we didn't I'm trying to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► when they actually made the switch but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► it was um you know we we were just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► boy was about I guess he was about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► and I just we just didn't have time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► everyone else we had a couple of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► DVDs sitting here and and I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► know it I probably be much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► especially when the Apple TV support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► it became so great that it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► no-brainer and especially with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► the kids stuff that's there there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► tons of shows that we liked that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► thought he would like and he did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► that it and you know it's so easy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► the Apple in if I have to Apple TVs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► three actually if you include the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► generation model but two of the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► black ones I go one in here and the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► in the office studio and got another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► out in the family room and it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► and you can watch netflix on all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► at the same time yeah so I haven't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► haven't received a Netflix DVD in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► time I think you remember who is Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► Oh Merlin who was who pinpointed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► Netflix disc anti-pattern where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► don't have careful queue management the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► things that end up at the top of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► queue are the movies that you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► actually motivated to see how is Johnnie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► installs the queue that is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► that's part of their that's part of they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► rely on that yeah that lot no they rely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► on or not I mean but it happens you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► because you get you get a nice good flow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► through the queue and then like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► mismanagement leads to and the bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► movies that the real the psychology at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► work there is that I find this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► think other people find this too you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► don't want to return a movie you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► seen because then you think you wasted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► your time it's the the fallacy of sunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► costs there in reality what you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► just do is return the thing and get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► cue moving again but you're like I'm but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► but I'm going to get it again like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► feel obligated to not return until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► that's what people do I'm in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► situation right now I have I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► one disk and then screaming plan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► that one disk has been up there for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► weeks because it was an unmatched top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► the queue thing where I didn't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► that was the top of the queue and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► think it was like put there by my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and she's not watching and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► watching itself but yeah I am still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► disc and streaming thing this this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► is why people are pissed about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► who are still dissing streaming they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► pissed about this thing is that as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► think a group are now as well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► streaming stuffs just not there yet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► my movie-watching as a person with kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► in a job and everything is that I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► movie review shows to read movie reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► online and when I see a current movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► that that looks like it has good reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► I think I might want to see rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► going to the movie theater to see it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► throw it on my Netflix queue because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► Netflix nicely lets you add movies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► your queue even when there's still no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► theater so you just save it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► when it becomes available we'll go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► right there and then you know a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► months later when it's available on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► blu-ray or DVD blu-ray most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► for me now it comes to your house you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► get to watch it the alternative is edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► your Netflix queue when it's in theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► and then wait four and a half years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► maybe if you're lucky you get to CNN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► streaming maybe six years or ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► or God knows how it may never appear on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► screaming and by the time it does you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► you're not participating in the culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► like right everyone else is watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► this great movie that you really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► see like the latest Coen Brothers movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► and you can't get to the theater to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► it so you're gonna wait for the comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► screaming you'll be waiting a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► like you know a decade later like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► finally saw a serious man great are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► describing my life right now yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► that that's why I'm never leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► disc stop until the streaming has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► chance to come closer I also like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► fact that you can get blu-ray which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► the highest quality thing you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► usually download if you're downloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► illegally you can get blu-ray rips but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► that's just you know a disembodied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► hybl continue to get the discs because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► want to see first-run movies in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► somewhat reasonable timely fashion and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► don't really blame Netflix for the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► that they can't get the people to agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► to the screaming contract is the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► company so that's my final point on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► Netflix I almost wrote a little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► about it because I haven't written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► anything for the web ages so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► maybe I should write this but it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► too obvious so I'll just chuck it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► this Netflix quickster thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► industry business companies that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► love can't seem to stay in business TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► and Netflix for two examples people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► loved TiVo people love Netflix like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► great you given the customers what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► want these are the shining stars as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► as the consumers are concerned of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► industry right and these companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► people love just can't seem to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► together they're in financial trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► all the time they're forced to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► that are bad for customers they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► TiVo's putting their ads all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► things or devices getting slower Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► is constantly you know doing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► people don't like and splitting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► business and you know and when companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► that people love can't stay in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► can't stay in business or can't can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► thrive and grow the way we think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► should based on how much consumers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► their products that's a sign of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► unhealthy market that's a sign of too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► much power concentrated seafood too few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► places the content owners the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► companies all the powers that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► aligned against TiVo and Netflix are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► aligned against them because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► incumbents with a you know a huge amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► of power over the pipes to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► over ownership of the content or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► know relationships with the congeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and they are leveraging that advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► is the same way Microsoft leveraged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► their ownership of the desktop to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► things worse for consumers but better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► television industry seems to be the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► sick the most you know industry that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► has the most problems movies television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► you know combined you know music had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► similar problem but was sort of forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► into the future by Apple and here's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► example like this would be as if iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► came along and people loved it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► iTunes was crushed under the thumb of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► big music lucky the music company's work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► didn't have as much power as the TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► movie industry seemed to and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► the industry got crushed by enjoins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► instead but this is an example where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► structure of the market is so horribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► lopsided that these great companies just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► can't just can't get out you know TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► is being crushed by the stupid set-top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► boxes that they're that are all worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► than Tebow and meanwhile TiVo's boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► meeting in the middle you know our TiVo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► will get really bad it also get kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► mediocre and then everyone'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► mediocre boxes and Netflix we all want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► we know what we all want Netflix give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► the movies like if they could come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► the same time that's what consumers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► you ask them hey would you like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► streaming version of first-run movie for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► a subscription price and maybe will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► more expensive than it is now would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► like that people say yeah every movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► that comes out yes every TV show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► comes out yes I don't I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► have to know when something is airing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► a channel I don't want to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► subscribe to a giant package of channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► I want you know maybe that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► available but I would rather see them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► selection and I would like to in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► time like we know what consumers want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► but the industry is just not set up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► allow that some degree as I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► pointed out before the cost structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► the way it is now is the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► funds the shows of minority interest so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► you wouldn't get to see all these cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► shows that you like if they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► subsidized by all the people paying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► like local sports or you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► other channels they get but there has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► be a balance and right now the balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► is way on the side of the content owners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► and the cable companies and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► consumers and it's crushing or mutating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► or damaging the companies that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► love in this industry so that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► further depressing take on the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► television this reminds you the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► episodes were whenever we were done I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► feel like I'm just crying take a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► yeah I can't think of an industry that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► worse than this in this Dan Rowe music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► seems to be getting better we even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► gotten to the point where got rid of DRM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► books books is not great but it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► like nowadays when a new book comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► I can be pretty sure I can get a Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► whereas now in a movie comes out I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► assumed there's I will not see streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► versions i movie in my lifetime you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► maybe if you're lucky you know a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► years and now it'll come out but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► depends on what deals and maybe it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► on streaming for a little while but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► won't be in the back of forget about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► back catalog you can't find that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► will I be able to even buy an HD version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► why have to pirate it is just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► it's ridiculous do you do you have do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► you have the Apple TV I'm waiting for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► version 3 version 1 no way in hell I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► wait-and-see and then I came around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► on version 2 or thinking that's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► than my current Netflix box because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► Netflix on TiVo so horrendous is almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► unusable even though as I said before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► used to do TiVo through Netflix just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► because it was device that was on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► and I didn't need to turn on another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► device to do it because my ps3 as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► louder as the loudest thing in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► entertainment stack but lately I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► watching TiVo on the PS the TiVo or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► watching Netflix on the ps3 just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► the ps3 Netflix client actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► and the wait a year in a day for my cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► to come up so I what I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► probably is when the Apple TV 3 comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► out I will get it I'm hoping it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► still have no fan and then I will have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► completely silent device through which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► can watch Netflix I don't think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► ever buy I don't buy iTunes movies or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► anything like that the only time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► bought any ones like that is for use on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► the plane we put them on the iPods and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► let the kids watch movies on the plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► so that's our only use of iTunes buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► the digital versions most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► I'm recording stuff from TV and HD or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► I'm watching Netflix streaming I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► question for you about gaming consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► that's a whole - oh but yeah go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► but before there some I actually wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► to tell you about right it's our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1660">TS</a>]
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00:27:47 ◼ ► hosted helpdesk solutions they started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► 49 bucks a month per user that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► seem like a lot but add that up 600 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► bucks a year for a limited plan help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► spot it they're different this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► helpdesk application it has an owned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► license model you buy it once you own it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► forever and a single user license starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► this allows for unlimited tickets per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► agent it's flexible you download it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► run it yourself you host it yourself or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► you have it hosted but you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► people say well then 100 I know help so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► what do I need here's the thing if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► have a business if you're doing any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► of interaction with customers whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► you're you know a lot of web hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► companies use this but any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► business that you have if you're an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► developer and you want to catch bugs if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► you're have a website and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► wait for people to give you feedback if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► you have a team of people who you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► want to respond you need something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► this and people would say well 100 99 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► bucks you know and so I said to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► guys that said that you got to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► awesome for listeners and even the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► who runs the scene Landsman small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► business runs it himself he says I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► got this crazy deal I'm going to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► help spot.com slash 5 by 5 you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► your initial purchase it's a 99 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► for single user license that you own is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► an amazing deal help spot calm such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► five-by-five this will not last so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► you if you care at all about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► customers or your employees or yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► do yourself a favor and go check this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► out help spot.com slash 5 go check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► are you there right now Johnny Reed hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► I'm waiting for you to ask me my game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► September 23rd of 2011 and I have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► the last game console that we do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Wii somewhere we played it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► and we got that we fit thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► immediately but packed the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► um put away so we didn't you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► neat a neat thing but what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► recommend to somebody get if they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► to get a game console in 2011 September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► 23rd what would you recommend what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► should they go and get you they wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► the the new Xbox thing to come out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► you get an old ones they get a ps3 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► do you what do you what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► about this I'd have to do like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► extensive take a history sort of Anna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► the doctor sense and figure I like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► what is their history with games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► what do they want to do with this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► one because the answer changes based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► their needs in their history with gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► I see not it's not like a question where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► you say why I want to get a personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► computer why should I get you should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► a Mac like it's not that simple it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► that easy no so if you want me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► actually give you advice you can tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► about your history and I can give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► recommendation but I would say that game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► consoles the three game consoles the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► three traditional game consoles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► different enough now that what you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► really depends on your history with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► gaming and what you want out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► device and I think you'd have to throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► in the iPad and other iOS gaming devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► in that mix as one of the possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► recommendations based on whatever this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► person says about the gaming okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► what would you say is your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► right now I I don't have a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► console I've been a big console fan for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► favorite like I have to pick you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► people people have their favorites for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► generation it was whether you were Sega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► Nintendo because that was the battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► battle not obviously new tennis a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► Nintendo obviously yeah and then later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► it was PlayStation versus Nintendo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► then there was Xbox versus PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► and so on and so forth so my allegiance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► continues to be emotionally speaking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► doesn't mean I think they've had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► certainly doesn't mean that I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► all their business decisions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► they really screwed the pooch many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► in these various console wars but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► I'm a big fan of their first party games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► and with the exception of the team that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► made ICO and Shadow of the Colossus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► the PlayStation no other team from any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► other vendor including Bungie and halo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► has the same loyalty in my heart as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► have to Miyamoto and all those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► who made the the first part Nintendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► games so I'm a Nintendo guy but I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► PlayStation of PlayStation 3 PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► 2 we and a Gamecube and I've never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► any of the Xbox things for reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► related to something that I mentioned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► done and I was like show number three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► and it was the first negative review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► that we got people didn't like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► that was bringing up Hitler so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► bring it up again you can go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► ridiculous and now actually about why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► don't have Xbox my house so reddit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Windows 8 yeah I think I think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► is there more to say there is I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► want to mean what I was doing last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► was just going through my sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► stream-of-consciousness notes that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► took while watching the video it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► 8 great traits of Metro apps the poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► named poorly titled video that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► just explains the philosophy behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► Metro I didn't get through all them so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► just want to finish them up then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► really organized in any way except for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► sort of chronologically as we go along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► with the presentation super so in build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► and analyze Marco had some good points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and I have these in the beginning here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► first of all I loved I loved how Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► and the Windows 8 thing is getting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► other 5x5 host riled up about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► because it show I mean when when have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► you seen any kind of excitement about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► the content of something that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► is doing not like the business strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► or the implications for the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► interesting enough for us to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► talk about it right right that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► that should be heartening for Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► like the Alan Kay thing I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► him who said the Macintosh is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► computer good enough to criticize and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► people always ask me why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► review windows or talk about Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► stuff and stuff like that most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► time it's because I think it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► worth criticizing but Windows 8 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► definitely worth criticizing Mike and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► have been or talking about criticizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► is just like why all right it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► thinking about analytically interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► enough to engage your attention and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► the more the points in he had I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► like was how the metro UI scales to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► complicated application because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► didn't didn't show that much they showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► like here's the world's simplest you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► know demo newsreader application you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► know it's as if used you only saw cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► app that showed you like the Currency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► Converter example from way back one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► say well so how do I use cocoa to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► like a complicated application like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► know Photoshop person could I even do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► that right with Metro they I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► of the question comes from the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► the demo apps they showed you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► intentionally simple and they do want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► to be simple like an iOS app but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► see like a sophisticated iPad app even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► something like the iPad Twitter app like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► that's a pretty complicated application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► in terms of the things you can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► it and the different UI controls and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► gesture is like you can build up iOS UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► to be pretty complicated that may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► true of Metro true but it's hard to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► from the demos because the demos are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► necessarily simple and if you just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► at those squares with little text and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► picture and um you're like yeah but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► do I make like a real like a big honkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► application on that and so that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► open question huh I think it's I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► don't condemn it for that because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► demos have to be simple you have to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► application that shows a list of items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► or here's how you show a bunch of photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► being displayed or a really simple email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► app it's not their job to build a solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► application now the question is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► always Microsoft gonna make you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► equivalent of pages on on the iPad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► know leading to word for metro and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► us show us the way how do you take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► desktop caliber application and adapt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► to this context taking advantage of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► things you know yeah obviously not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► to Porter wholesale bring all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► features but how do you fit that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► to Microsoft to show everybody right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► that was kind of saying here are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► rules of this new universe and here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► some simple examples within it let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► dig about dashboards the the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Metro is that it ends up being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► dashboard like I think it was mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► thinking like on PCs on Windows and PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► it's like well I've got my Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► thing here which looks like Windows 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2158">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► but with a few other little thingies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► then if I hit this little thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► other thing comes up it looks like Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and yeah I looked at it a few times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► let it stop going there like dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► yeah although I I have a dashboard fan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► use it constantly but I can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► how people if they don't ever find a use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► for it it's out of sight and out of mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► what do you use on dashboard at my home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► Mac I have let's look uh Oh Mac I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► have a bunch of clocks stock ticker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► dictionary dictionary I use the most and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► I don't look aboard figure out how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► spelled or whatever little dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► dictionary for you if you want know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► to word is spelled put it into google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► visible say did you mean I'd love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► lied if you want to know the definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► put it into the little dictionary app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► and when it work I actually use it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► dashboard so this is a feature that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► didn't think I would ever use remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► like and I was in with a 10-5 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► maybe was just a Safari release with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► web clips thing yes you could sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► rubber band around my section of a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► page is later like a dashboard widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► out of it and show like okay I'm rubber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► band around Garfield and now every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► Garfield strip right like it's dumb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► later they refined it to not to not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► rubber banding around stuff but you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► would just do like the block region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► selection you know here's this content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► block well I finally started using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► at work because at work we have tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► graphs and people care about server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► stuff a ganglia graphing cacti just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► similar things and graphite there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► another graphing app and they're spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► all over a whole bunch of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► servers and whole bunch different web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► pages and we have lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► graphs ah now I could you know have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► those web pages open in tabs permanently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► and shuffle through them but like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► of them Auto refresh and when they Auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► refresh especially gangly it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► always scroll to the same position so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► now you're at the top of the big screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► full of 100 graphs and like I just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► these seven graphs at this size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► that's what I want to see so what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► and put in just the three or four graphs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► that they want and rather than arranging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► those graphs in an HTML file keeping a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► giant browser window open I just do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► open and dashboard thing it's like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► each one of those graphs and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► dashboard so when I put my cursor into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► the corner I see all the graphs that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► relevant may at the current time in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► sizes that I want arranged the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► want Auto refreshing because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► derived from local HTML files with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► a meta refresh header in them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► cycles through them it's great it's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► better than any solution that I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► had for let me quickly look at how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► servers are doing in these aspects and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► then get it at them away you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► because if you put it in a browser tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► it gets buried underneath other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► where it gets closed or you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► scroll around it's just a mess but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► dashboard is so much it's it is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► dashboard of you know they have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► for like Knox and other you know control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► centers where you need to see a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► stuff at once but this is this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► that's on your computer you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► obviously this is not a common problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► that people have but if you work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► server-side software I highly recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► giving that a try all right we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► go back to news-8 so Microsoft Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► so resuming I know it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► things they said on the on the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► this is the middle presentation sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► lesson listened to the last episode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► pretend it ends in the start right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► they said every single pixel is for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► app it's like every single pixel on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► screen of I guess they're using a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► in this example write this for your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► there's no status bar and chrome ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► stuff there's no other other things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the screen like you literally have from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► the upper or left to the bottom right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► and just draw whatever you want on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► thing we will not mess with you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► and that is as many other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► they've done in this presentation is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► antithesis of what Microsoft has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► done before because their entire history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► with both our applications and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► operating system has been the addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► of panes and windows and toolbars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► widgets and just they are constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► humorous screenshots where they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► like Microsoft Word with every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► toolbar enabled me was like I'll enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► room for four characters of text and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► rest of the thing is just a giant UI and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► the ribbon thing was trying to address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► that so they've got a bunch of tabs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► their thing rearrange the toolbars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► a fancy or different toolbar but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► know a window where the Vista had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► sidebar thing and they have the quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► and has marking go to levels in Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► 95 then they rearranged it in Windows 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► they were constantly a like that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► you measured progress in your operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► system what geegaw did they add to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► application or to this operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► that kind of gets back to my point at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► the end of the line review is that reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► the point where desktop operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► systems aren't judged based on how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► geegaws and panes and new things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► screen you can click they add now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► judging them by how much stuff do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► remove not not removing the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► only but also removing concepts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► were rooted in technology decisions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► revisited so like mental clutter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► concepts you don't have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► anymore remove them sober judge it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► reversal an epoch you got to start fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► it didn't have to chop everything down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► one at a time but I think Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► now at that point with Windows 2 where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► they're saying let's not add let's stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► adding crap let's take things away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► they've sort of done the iOS things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► let's take everything away it's no menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► bar there's no menus there's no scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► buzz there's no you know just remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► everything start fresh and you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► entire screen right now it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► funny that Microsoft still couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► resist adding crap like this this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► new philosophy right and well obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► the Windows desktop hiding underneath it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► so that's their big out like you know oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► yeah you can click this thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► back to the Windows well no wait wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► minute I've read some things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► come out since our last show did where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► we talked about this that have actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► said that the Windows desktop what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► think of as you know all of what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► would see if you used a currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► released version of Windows and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► everything prior that that what we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► of as Windows today prior to Metro that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► is actually not loaded and none of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► code is loaded or exists or runs until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► or unless you launch that Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► desktop the aside from Metro in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► words Metro is truly its own separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► thing and and even the code isn't loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► for the traditional Windows desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► unless you launch that the Metro is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► really as well so Metro isn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► shell on top of it or another an edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► players by saying last show like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► more like siblings okay and which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► gets launched first you know the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► one isn't running but but I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► it's there well hazel didn't so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► couldn't do what I always did which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► there's no way to get Mac os10 on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► iPad like we don't have a button there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► right so that in typical Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► action they couldn't abandon but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► within metro they could not resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► adding a little widget II thing and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► fact the fact that they edited on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► the the top and the bottom or for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► application and the the left in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► right side or for the system I make if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► you're looking at a tablet screen so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► the right side they have this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► called charms or if you swipe in from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► the right side this little slide view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► looks kind of like the Vista sidebar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► comes out with a buncha icons and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► what's that that's a gigawatts a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► with a bunch of stuff in it with little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► things you know even though every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► pixel is for your app they they love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► add stuff like that yeah and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► think about Apple Apple didn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► like they resisted that as long as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► could they had to add something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► multi application switching so now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► know double tap on home a thing slides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► up but they didn't do that in version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► version 1 that just like is it tapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► the icon something launches when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► close it it goes back you have a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► of icons this no folders there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► things popping out of the side there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► no shelf there's no tray there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► notifications there's no multi you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► they really stripped it down the edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► Microsoft is coming out with well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► got your charms on the right hand side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► right that's a horrible name by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► charms I forget what's on the left side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► but but they did try to give the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► screen to the app but that means they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► needs to be if you're given the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► screen to the app it needs to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► way to activate these things right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► when they were showing the demos at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► first they were doing the you just swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► in from the right side this is again on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► a tablet so swiping from the right side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► and there's your charms or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► know other things you can get from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► swiping upper left right and so I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► oh they must have touch sensors in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► wait for it everybody should I say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► the right way the wrong way I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► when you say it the wrong way I can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► to think about it a new way comebacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► another person as though I come with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► new way every week yeah that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► was thinking that they were adding touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► sensors you know beneath the plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► trim of the the tablet I like although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► you must have they had those censors who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► had that the touchpad have that somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► the pre certainly had that little swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► area yeah on bottom and I think I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► know the touch I didn't I didn't buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► touch pad for 99 bucks oh I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► the touch but I had one but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► committing to like at an OS level you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► had to have this touch area on the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► but my understanding that is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► case that they do not require you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► have any touch sensors anywhere except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► for on the screen and in fact what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► they're doing is taking a one pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► border of the entire screen and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► if you swipe across that border or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► something if you they're basically using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► the screen to figure out when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► swiping in from the top bottom left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► right someone the chatroom can correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► me I don't think that's the case but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► understanding from watching this demo is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► they are not required to put touches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► anywhere except for the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► Windows 8 will figure out that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► swiped in from the left or even from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► top ran from the bottom to activate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► things which is a little bit touchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► because that you're wasting all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► finger movement until you hit screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► then it's got a sense that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► swiping in versus I simply placed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► finger on the far edge of the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► moved like what if you want to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► something that's touching the edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► the screen and you happen to stick your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► finger on the edge of the screen trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► to move the thing of the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► swiped in from the right maril I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► know I have to try but my my being down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► on this technique comes from watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► represent who's who we had to do Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► 8 demos constantly trying to swipe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► from left swipe it like they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2758">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► to look casual but they have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► calling it the thing because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► it's not taking their first activation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► and that doesn't look good like when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► iPhone was first demoed there was less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► of that fumbling like the person who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► demoing it I think it was Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► might have been somebody else it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► unsuccessful with with a gesture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► these are not rare obscured gestures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► like pinch and twist or any other weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► thing like that this is supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► the most calm its equivalent of hitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► the cone the HOME key on an iOS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► bring up the system UI swipe in from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► essential feature for task switching and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► for other things that we get to in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► little bit so on a really common gesture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► like that being awkward enough to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► people who invented this thing are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► fumbling a stage a demo does not bode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► well for the decision to not require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► and not require touch sensors anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► but the screen you know so that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► was disheartening to me I liked their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► idea of system UI and the sight like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► having having a system it's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► Microsoft like we come up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► system and this is what it is and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► sensible and we think it will work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► their chosen implementation for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► activation gestures I think is highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► suspect sure what else do we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► oh this was already brought up I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► in a previous show but I had that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► another note for it I mean notes here of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► their constant avoiding of mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► iOS should be iPad windows-based you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► know etc tablets how many of you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► rearranged icons on some system like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► must have taken months of training for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► them to you know electric shock collars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► for them to not say iOS iPad or iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► but they managed to do it so next one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► the landscape orientation they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► did landscape orientation is the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► the default and I did all the testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► based on people gripping a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► steering wheel you know like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► gripping it on the sides yeah thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► poised over the thing mm-hmm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► holding holding it is if you would a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► I'd like you say a steering wheel or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► a Wii with the weird attachment on yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► and this is the way they think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► people will use the thing and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► did all this they were showing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► heat maps like we had people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► different sized hands show where their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► thumbs could reach we may heat maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► based on okay everybody can reach here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► and then a few people can reach there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► and they tried to cluster their control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► so people could reach them with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► thumbs while they were doing the thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► keyboard which of course the iOS has as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► well in iOS 5 with the split thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► the thumbs on the side I have it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► interesting to me because I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► don't see people using iPads like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► maybe because iPads aren't designed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► that and so there's no reason for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► hold it in that manner and use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► thumbs because the keyboard doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► split yet then iOS for the controls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► on a range like that people right i io s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► apps on the iPad not with the controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► clustered around where your thumbs would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► be in landscape mode so it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► tell what comes first you know but it'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► be interesting to see when Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► tablets come out look when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► people I'm assuming some day you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► blend public with Windows 8 tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► Microsoft really helps you will someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► and when you see them look to see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► they are using it in landscape and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► they're doing the thumb thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► that's not a very natural or comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► way to use a tablet for a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► time and I think the two hand engagement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► or even just one hand engagement like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► that it's more of a commit like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► more of a commitment people more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► physical commitment to use it like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► I think unless you're playing a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► when I see people using iPads it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► relax like you're leaning back like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► have a couches on the stage for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► Apple Keynote demos with a demo the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► when you sit down on the couch I'll put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► this on my lap and then it sits on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► something it rests on your lap rests on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► a pillow or it's propped up in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► and then you just you tap it with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► hand and then maybe you read and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► you move stuff around like it's not grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► it with two hands like you're wrestling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► an alligator and constantly hope they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► would do it like you're really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► you're playing Mario Kart with the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► we get the steering crazy open it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► engagement I think about for a tablet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► I don't know that's going to fly for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► them but I mean the proofs gonna be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► the put it was when you see people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► public using Windows tablet see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► they're using like if it's if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► not all that concentration of Apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Apple of Microsoft doing all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► testing and trying to design the OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► their apps around the idea of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► using with their thumbs will have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► misspent if people aren't using it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► way and taking advantage of the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► they've done I think of all the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► already talked about the the trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► reduce modes but they did want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► like press and hold and it changes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► a mode they want to have that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► dragging the icons around you drag it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► down and you know I think was Margo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► already went up and talked about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► that's kind of BS because it depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► how you define mode kind of start it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► in a mode once you enter the swipe down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► phase and as you pointed out that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► very poor way it's not discoverable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► it's complicated for what should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► simple operation right it's awkward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► even that's an example of the people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► stage on stage there was low I'll show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► you how you can rearrange tiles so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► tap on the tile and pull down slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and then it becomes sort of unseated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► then you can drag it where you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► right they can't just have it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► just apps absent mindedly swipe in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► tile is flying so they have to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► method to do it so on iOS it's tap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► hold and then they start doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► wiggle and then once they do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► wiggle you're clearly in you're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► I was then I move it around and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► frustrating and annoying and we hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► dragging the littlewiggle things to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► edge and stuff like that we'll get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► that in a second but but it's a mode all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► right Microsoft Tseng see we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► to have modes we want to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► awkward gesture that you have to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► move something rather than have modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► and I don't know if that's the best move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► and I saw people in during the demos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► repeatedly have trouble rearranging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► tiles maybe it's because they're nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► and they're rushed and they want to they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► want to start moving the tile right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► but I think that's representative users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► they're like they want to move this here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► move that there and at each time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► have to initiate a move they have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► some awkward gesture that's not natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► to them they keep misfiring on they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► going to be annoyed it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► frustrating but the one neat thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► did have there was they showed they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► there making fun of when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► wiggle mode on iOS and you want to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► an application from screen 5 on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► phone to screen 1 you drag it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► edge and then you wait and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► shuffles a screen and then 2 pauses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► then it shuffles a screen then it pauses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► then it goes and finally you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► screen 1 you try to place it and God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► forbid you missed that drag or lands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► some intermediate screen and all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► icons get pushed off and rearranging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► icons on iOS is annoying for that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► so they said let's you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► have that problem we're going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► advantage of multi-touch so once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► initiate the little pull down drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► maneuver and you've got the thing under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► your finger and it's unseated from its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► spot you can take your other finger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► flick flick flick the background along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► to get to the first screen which is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► more natural and make sense on a big pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► obvious doesn't make sense that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► once on a phone where you can't fill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► those fingers on screen but a button on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► tablet you want to be able to use two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► hands like all right I'll hold the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► with this and flick flick flick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► background moves underneath it and once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► we get to the screen I want then I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► drag it to where I want the thing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► rather than this is a good we first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► person shooter analogy for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► already understand it I'm not kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► explained it further but rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► drag your thing to the edge to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► your viewpoint have independent control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3178">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► of the thing that you're controlling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► know the thing that you're manipulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and the where you're looking where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► background goes you know has a drag to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► the edge to make the thing turn is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► we analogy there so I think that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► immediately copy that if they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► already like put that in iOS 5 and iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► because just just steal it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► a better idea than what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► they also showed what they called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► semantic zoom which is another example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► of them trying to make up a term for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► interesting they were showing the tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► and they were saying if you zoom way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► you can see your clusters of tiles as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► just icons but as you zoom in more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► detail comes like it doesn't just shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► the tile so that the text is unreadable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► representation it's basically level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► detail this game this this podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► full of gaming analogies they reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► level of detail on the item when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► zoom out and so they say look we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► changing the semantics because now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► for example the calendar app when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► zoom in you can see like the entire week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► in your current day and your next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► but when you zoom out you just maybe see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► a calendar thing that shows you what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► current day is and you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► right like they change the appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► it's not just a shrunken version up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► think that's a good idea and if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► a zoomable interface that's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► as well but never sangs like say you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► your little tile and you want to zoom in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► it's showing the week and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► zoom in on a particular day like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► were showing that you could with a zoom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► gesture you could get more detail from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► one of these tiles and they were showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► it within applications as well like here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► we are looking at you know they the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► full-blown calendar app and I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► at the month view and I want to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► a particular week or day well I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► just pinch zoom in on that week and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► makes sense you're getting closer more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► detail farther away a less detailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► broader view that sounds good and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► semantics name semantic zoom name sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► but I again questioned the use of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► for most people is an awkward gesture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► that zoom pinch thing for something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► common as I want to see what I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► this week people just want a single tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► same thing with the mode stuff like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► mode is annoying and locks you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► but it makes it so the simplest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► you can do a single touch with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► finger can have different meanings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► that's what the mode is therefore like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► normally when you single tap an app it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► launches but in this mode when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► single tap and drag an app you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► rather than make you learn a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► complicated thing so that you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► to have modes Apple has chosen to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► think wisely in most cases have modes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► that the simplest thing you can possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► do use a single finger to do a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► gesture of tapping or dragging with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► finger that has different meaning that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► what the modes are for so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► people want to use a calendar app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► requires them to perform pinch gesture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► get more detail about a day they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► want to tap on the freaking day because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that's what people know how to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► pinch gestures are really hard I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► trouble doing them I find myself trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► to pinch and it's not registering like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► pinch because I'm not moving my fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► away from each other my fingernails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► hitting before the pad of my thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► I don't even you know it's it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► awkward gesture and for other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► it's less discoverable and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► it's just it's more annoying to pull off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► mm-hmm it doesn't feel as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► tapping that's why I feel so effortless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► you just like the pad is in front of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► is on your lap you just like let me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► take my finger here and tap there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► yes now show me this mr. pad and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► about that and that's that's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► nicer experience then now perform this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► contortion with my finger to get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► detail even though it sounds good like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► you're zooming do me a semantic zoom so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► I am highly suspect of that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► mean you have to make your app like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► but it's like this is what this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► Microsoft is showing about you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► is the way we think you should do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► mouse and keyboard support actually yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► okay so on the topic of mouse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► keyboard support : instead let's do our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► second sponsor get the unite good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► clear things out its Rackspace I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► talked about Rackspace before in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► because uh they've been sponsoring our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► shows for about a year a great sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► and over the course of this year I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► been hearing from from from different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► people in the audience who or email us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► to share their stories and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► else and and really what they write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► about typically its how Rackspace cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► how they use it to host their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► people love the fanatical support than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► Rackspace offers that's sort of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► sets them apart from really anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► anybody else out there and so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► it would read one of these I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► this one on another show but I liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► the guy's name if he's a real if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► real name and she claims to be Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► Blackie but we'll give him the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► benefit the doubt it's it's really him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and here's what he writes he says I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► with another shared hosting company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► I was really fed up with the issues that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► they were from downtime to to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► issues he's one of my friends are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► to Rackspace I signed up I had full root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► access server up and running in five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► minutes it cost me pennies and all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► sites including all my client sites are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► now five times faster after moving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► it says I've only had to contact this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► aboard a couple times but every time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► live support had a helpful answer within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► just a few seconds I don't think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► ever have to move hosts again and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► the thing you don't realize how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► a pain it is to move around and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► have a service that you know that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► grow with you expand with you and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► whatever you need and it's affordable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► and you can get a real person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► understands what you're doing to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► you help that is the as you would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► John the trifecta so you can find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► more by going to Rackspace comm slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► sign up and you'll be supporting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► show by doing so we we we appreciate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► Rackspace comm / 5x5 that's it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► interesting there that our letter has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► someone mentioning a full route access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► server like they're speaking in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► language of the people they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► that to use their service they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► speaking to people who don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► that means that's reassuring I think two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► experts yeah when they hear a hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► provider use in their advertising the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► lingo of their profession without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► equivocation without any apology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► without without babying it down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► trying to explain what it means it tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► to get like they just they just want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► people who know what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► because they know what they're doing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► know I mean that's good corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► communication all right Windows eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► mouse support so Microsoft's message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► here was don't separate the mouse and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► touch interfaces and what they mean by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► interfaces supposed to look like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► showed you so far in this thing make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► your app like this right and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► have to have Mouse's apart because s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► compromises so when you do that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► accessible like don't add right-click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► menus all over the place like well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► you use touch you have to do this but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► you happen to have a mouse you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► right-click on this knew this and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► no don't don't do that you have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► you have to use them house I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► have to use the mouse like a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► interface or you have to use a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► interface like a mouse they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► you to add specific features that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► custom there are custom for each into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► interface I think they're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► that to avoid confusion and also to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► the kind of Steve Jobs no arrow keys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► the original Mac keyboard thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► they're going to force you to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► chinder face and they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► let you have the out of well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► have to make this available by touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► because they can just use their Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and right-click like that was the the no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► arrow keys in the original Mac was yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► well that's you know I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► make I know this whole Mouse thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► like in everything but I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► make a keyboard interface you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► use these arrow keys to move around then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► you have to use the mouse to place your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► curve in fact that I'm you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► arbitrary cursor placement support in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► word processor I'm just gonna let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► use the arrow keys they took the arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► keys off the keyboard you must use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► mouse there's no other way to place the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► cursor there's no other way to select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► text paradigm shift right so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► trying to make users do what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► which is make a good touch interface but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► that also means that the mouse interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► is going to be like it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► like using a touch interface with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► mouse it's gonna be like using the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► simulator for developers who have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► that area was played with it feels weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► feels weird to have an iPhone or an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► screen with a mouse cursor over where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► you're clicking on stuff it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► just weird and I actually installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► Windows 8 shortly after the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► someone asked me if I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► install the Windows 8 developer release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► and I didn't even think of that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► I was at free apparently it's free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► installed Windows 8 in VMware you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► to tell VMware that it's Windows 7 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► that's the only complication but Vivid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► launches and it runs you know reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► well and then so there I am using Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► with the mouse and it's weird it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► weird and I don't give I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► this is just because it's gnarly bad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► whatever but I found it despite watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► a 90 minute thing explaining how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► Metro I could not for the life of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► figure out how to perform any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► things they did with their fingers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► my mouse and for the record you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► used a mouse before yes but like swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► in from the edge try pulling that off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► the mask cursor first especially you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► know especially in a VM because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► normally your cursor hits the edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► the screen but you know unless you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► fullscreen in the VM and even when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► do unless you're making unlike I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► make the VM the full size of my 23 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► screen like performing the gestures that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► would be natural with your fingers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► the mouse I found it very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► activate the system you know the charms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► and the system thing and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► application stuff the stuff that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► in from the top at the bottom just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► biting the Windows key which I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► even know until someone mentioned it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► our keyboard or mouse ways to easily do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► what I wanted but I couldn't discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► them and I really tried but the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► it you know it performs and looks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► way it did in the demo and I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► any crashes and you know I will continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► to monitor it monitor it and download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► the latest beta type things but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► reason Microsoft is adamant on the no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► separate interfaces in addition to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► making everybody make you a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► interface is that in their opinion this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► is a direct direct quote from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► presentation a screen with that touch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► a broken screen they think every screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► the world will have touch in a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► and I think they may be right like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► remember when getting back to the gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► analogies which apparently the show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► are inescapable on the show when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► Nintendo DS came out the original DS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► dual screen portable gaming system from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► Nintendo and does the screen the top is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► just a regular screen but the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► sort of horizontally below that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► touch screen and around the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► Microsoft had it was fielding the PSP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► which is its portable gaming thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► is basically like what we all remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► the atari lynx being but if you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► a look and actually look at an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► atari lynx it was hideous but the PSP is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► the thing you holding in with two hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► like like marcus I wants you double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► tablet it's got a screen in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► and you have controls on your thumb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► buttons and your other thumb and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► play your game you look at your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► and the DES was like this clamshell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► thing like a mini laptop with two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► screens one where the keyboard would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► but it's a touchscreen in one of the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► it was nonsensical people to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► what the hell you were going to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► that until they got one and then said oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► I see you can do all those interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► things with hidden now this this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► believe it was pre iOS chatroom can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► correct me but I'll leave that the Tendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► BS was way before iOS was a glimmer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► anybody's eye so they were one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► first people to show you could use touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► interfaces and I remember thinking when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► I saw people with PS PS or when I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► Sony revising the PSP or putting out PSP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► games I think man someone that Sony has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► got to be just crying bitter tears that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► they have launched a portable gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► platform without a touch screen because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► it once the the DS came out it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► obvious that like portable gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► devices have that touch screens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► yours doesn't you are doing it wrong you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► are you know you have your hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► wrong you can't fix this with software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► you want to sell this platform you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► didn't put a touchscreen it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► like stripping a computer without a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► many PC vendors we're doing it where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► had that like the laptops they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► give you that trackball you can clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► abomination yeah and like they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► have pointing devices they just had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► screen and a keyboard and you know Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► what do you need the mouse for in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► laptop so they had to have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► heart even even like after they realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► they needed a pointing device they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► still sell you their old laptop with new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► innards with this clip on crack ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► trackball and you know or some other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► dip to insert a porting the pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► device on to their laptop leave one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► them was this is a way back thing do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► remember outbound systems am I getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► that right chat room at an opening of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► the chat room is whistle were they held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► they would buy that Apple Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► motherboards and stick them inside their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► own new portable cases so they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► take an SE 30 motherboard jam it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► their laptop case of their own making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► and sell you a portable Macintosh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► know clone but not really clone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► they were using ethanol it was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► they were Australian I think that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► I'm thinking they were called outbound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► but I remember I think this was them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► that they had a novel pointing device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► where below the spacebar there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► tube maybe was about the length of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► bar maybe was full with that I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► something on this that you would roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► the tube and when you roll the tube the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► cursor we're going to open down and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► you slid your hand right and left on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► tube the cursor would go right and left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► I have no idea what that point device is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► called I'm only remember my only big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► memories of it are from like ads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► Macworld in like the 80s and 90s someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► the chat room says yes it is outbound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► and someone actually remembers the tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► but anybody that's I think about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► age of like shipping PC laptops without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► Mouse like pointing devices that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► embarrassing for the hardware vendors in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► the same way I think it was embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► for Sony to ship a portable gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► device without a touchscreen in a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► that had the diecen and now Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► basically saying it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► embarrassing for everybody in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► years if you don't whatever you sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► has to have a touchscreen on because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► without having a touchscreen it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► it's a broken device you it's ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► and I'm sure they hope that to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► because they want Windows 8 running and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► everything from your PC to your tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► Windows 8 has a touch interface I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► that means they want you know del to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► sell 24 inch monitors with touch screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► so that when people use Metro they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► poke at their screen but this is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► this is sort of the attitude that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► know Scotty had when when he went up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► me hello computer and you know he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► pick up the you know it oh it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► recognize your voice so he talks into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► the mo I guess I have to talk into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► into the mouse and talks into the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and I'm what you don't talking about Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► yeah you remember this I do remember it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► cuz you're a Trekkie trekker no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► reason I remember that is because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► from the generation as is before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► because you were a PC guy first I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► not a PC guy first let's get to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► let's be clear about this my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► computer was an apple - what was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► first Macintosh my first Mac was a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► se uh which I which I owned and had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► in my er there are the original you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► didn't come that late you missed the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► know 128 512 on the plus I used them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► didn't own one okay anyway when I say my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► first Mac do you mean when I owned or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► when I used it when your own I'm al [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► Cassie but back in those days when Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► was the underdog it was exciting for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► Mac users whenever we saw an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► product in pop culture because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► sort of indication for us that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► weren't crazy everyone else was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► you know do you have a computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► you'd have to say yeah but it's a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► and they like all you can't play you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► know Auto duel until they poured it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► three years later and it's black and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► white and is horrible huh so you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► like I'm not crazy for using this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► it actually is better and so when we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► Macintosh is like a nun moonlighting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► in the background of a movie or in Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► Trek it was exciting for us really yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► that's that's the computer that we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► like see we're not crazy it exists and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► other people have it and a being tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► Hollywood movies because Apple had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► one guy I forget what his name is whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► job it was to get sort of Apple product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► Macintosh osburgh disproportionately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► represented on television shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► movies and commercials uh in like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► guess it was the late 80s early 90s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► so that's why I remember that scene is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► it was exciting to see a Macintosh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► I'm on a big movie screen and they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► we know us your favorite that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► so on transparent aluminum how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► not like the whale one and people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► are anti whale about Star Trek is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► you know it's it's too important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► culturally and well where's in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► well hard sci-fi it was it's basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► comedy like it was a funny it was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► fun of itself whose self parody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► people say that's not a proper Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► movie I guess this is sacrilegious if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► someone made a Star Wars movie that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► that comedy angle but at that point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► Star Trek movie franchise had been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► dumped upon with crap that it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► breath of fresh air to at least get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► competent self-deprecating comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► involving the rapidly aging crew of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► Star Trek there are there aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► that but I think it was intended that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► the whales be taken seriously and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► was the problem the whole thing was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► comedy the whole thing you know I'm from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► Iowa I only work in outer space it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► it was a funny it was a funny movie but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► the whales were one of the parts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► were not meant to be funny so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► in in Star Trek the series they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► have episodes that were kind of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► humor episodes and then there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► serious ones where you were battling for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► the future the yeah Federation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► whatever what are the tribbles for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► example not meant to be taken to exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► this was a this is the triple equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► movie is supposed to be silly yes I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► they wanted you to be excited about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► whales but I part with the whales and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► the earth being destroyed was serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► surrounding it but that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► tongue roll up your sleeves and get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► work four o'clock in the morning courage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► let's look in the entire Canon of Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► Trek movies and decide where that falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► ranking wise and I would say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► solidly mid to upper pack hmm you may I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► think people who don't like it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► dislike the movie I didn't say it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► the movie I'm just saying like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► whales I didn't like the whales I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► live if they had done something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► whales in space I don't know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► didn't sit well with me at the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► think I was more forgiving since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► I've soured on the movie a little bit Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► so getting back to I'm just glad to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► with you that Star Trek I'll take I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► finally we're talking Star Trek on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► show see how excited your listeners are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► about that so getting back to with every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► every screen having touch and like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► saying that does that mean they want del [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► Desktop screen I guess those it trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► to say that every screen is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► have it so they're going to say Dell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► should do this because Windows 8 has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► touch interface but that comes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► Apple's experimentation with this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► of like making a touchscreen iMac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► stuff like that that it's uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► to have your hand up for that period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► intentionally touching your screen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► know there are two kinds of people where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► people who touch their screens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► people who do not want anyone to ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► touch this screen you can guess which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► one I am and so now if you had a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► put aside the uncomfortableness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► having your hand up and poking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► screen if that's the way you have to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► your computer you're intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► putting fingerprints all over your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► screen now obviously we all get over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► with the iPad or iPads are just covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► with finger spoo and somehow we somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► we survive like ah but I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► give up my nice fingerprint free screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► and yes I do agree with Apple that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► think conceptually it seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► would be tiring to polka things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► screen like that but who knows I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► Microsoft's all about having options and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► you know put the touchscreen on it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► you never touch the screen fine but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► there if you need it obviously for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► tablets that make sense that opens all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► door to convertible type devices I did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► Mac world article way back where I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► talking about the idea of taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► macbook air and having you be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► backwards or a slide away or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► like that where when you use it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► macbook air it works like a macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► and as a trackpad and a keyboard in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► hallway but if you fold the keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► trackpad portion out of the way somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► it behaves like a big really really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► ipad and I was saying would be x86 base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► because iOS apps already run on x86 they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► run on a simulator obviously it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► need a touchscreen and you would only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► use the touchscreen when it's an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► mode right then you would use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► keyboard and trackpad any other moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► it would be a touchscreen all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► so I'm assuming Windows vendors will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► make something like this like a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► ultrabook you know the MacBook Air type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► it is also Windows 8 tablet and I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► there'll be 50 of these and they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► able to collapse and fold with varying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► degrees of success in stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► and I said in the macro logical I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► think Apple would do that because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► just too much too weird for Apple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► something the old Apple will do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► doooo doc and the do-over you'd shove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► was like a Mac but it had the guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► missing you would fold up your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► power book duo and shove it inside there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► and then you'd have a big full-fledged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► Mac lots of interesting things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► technically possible with the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► today would say just because we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► it I don't know if we should so I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► Apple experimented with this concept and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► is experimenting with this concept as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► but they experimented with touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► IMAX and all sorts of other things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► thus far have decided they're not up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► snuff PC vendors are not so constrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► by the thought process I guess and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► they're not going to carefully consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► whether it's a good idea to have a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► laptop that falls into a metro tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► someone's going to make them because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► they don't someone else will and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► losing the money that could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► made from the suckers who will buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► thing and whether it's a good idea or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► not the market will decide and so on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► I'll be interesting to look at that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► I mostly agree with Apple Inc concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► that poking at your upright desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► computer screen is not a good idea I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► comfortable but who knows we'll see some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and we're going to short on time here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► and I still have like a screen fold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► stuff to go mind if they do bonus bonus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► episode makes me want to do two episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► this week don't do one more pointer do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► you want to wrap it up stack it up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► don't see one more point is this a 5min [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► a point or 20-minute point oh you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► say can you curtail it at about 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► minutes I say well yeah I can fit it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► Microsoft said was during the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► application developer you can target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► your app at just 11 inch tablets with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► sixteen by nine screens and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► followed it up with this is a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► quote but you're not going to get its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► rich again Margaux brought this up they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► the constantly telling people they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► going to get rich just kind of classless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► I think but we get the point you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► they're saying if you make an app they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► can only run on a very narrow portion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► the possible world of Windows 8 devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► like you can't run on PC you can't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► on tange tablets can't run 7-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► tablets it can't run on 4 by 3 ratio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► tablets can only run on 11 and 16 by 9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► tablets you can do that but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► limiting yourself now the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► they're letting you do that is like come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► in fragmentation the water is fine right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► Apple doesn't like doing that Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► to fragment they said iPad apps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► different than iPhone apps and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► run iPhone apps on the iPad but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► ugly and that's a transitional thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► nobody should ever want to do it but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► have to screen sides there's a small one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and we have two resolutions the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► and ignore that it's like if you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► on the small one you should make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► thing Retina display and able because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► make your app look better but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► don't it will still look ok and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► have the big screen they didn't say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► know they're not encouraging people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► and you could do this if you wanted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► game developer to occasionally you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► make your application only run on 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► we love that Apple is not inviting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► and they're not telling you not to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► because you won't get as rich they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► just not even opening that door no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► conceivably you could submit a game they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► can only run on the iPhone 4 and I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► there are games that can only run on ion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► devices but games are kind of a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► case they don't want you to make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► to-do list application only run on 30 Q [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► gigabyte iPhone 4 right with a Retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► Display Apple would probably reject that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► from the store and they would say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► just because you can do this we don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► don't want to encourage that whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► Microsoft as an all things is going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► to the old Microsoft and saying yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► can target whatever you want just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► to run tablets just want around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► screen that screen you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► we of course want you to cover all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► of devices but it's perfectly possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► to do this other thing and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► Microsoft would reject an app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► did like they were just say I'll let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► market decide you won't that guy won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► Microsoft did go through the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► way so say you say you want a target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► huge range of devices and by the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► minimum screen resolution for Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► is 1024 by 768 so there's not going this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► is not you know they have Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► 7 4 is interesting that they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► that was the point that was the cutoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► point like well we can make one os scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► from 7 inch tablets all the way up to 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► inch desktop thing but we can't go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► to 3 and average we need a whole other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► ass for that like so they didn't try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► make Windows 8 scale the whole range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► like a Windows Phone 7 Series whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► then that cuts off then you start at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► 1024 by 768 which I guess you could fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► on a 7-inch tablet or 6-inch ah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► resolution limit not necessarily a size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► limit it's just up to the vendors to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► decide what size screen they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► make it that res but so they say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► well how do I make my application span [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► Desktop I want you to make three sets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► assets to cover the range of size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► this marriage Apple Apple asked for two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► sets of assets they asked for like a 1x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► size and a 2x size but it's a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► approach give us a you know we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► like you to give us three sets of SS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► as Microsoft said we would like you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► use scalable graphics with SVG and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► says you know PDFs where we can scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► them you know so your Apple look good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► different resolutions and portrait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► landscape is another aspect where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► won't they want you to do landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► that's required the portrait is optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► which is kind of is that I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► it's the opposite of the Apple thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► Apple when you write an iOS application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► you can choose what you want to enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► rotation what you want to happen on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► rotations and so on it's open but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► guidelines I believe and I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► might reject this is that your iPad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► must work in both orientations I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► you'd be tried to submit an app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► didn't work in both orientations they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► would probably reject you I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► if you have to support rotation like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► whole different view in different age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► now this is a good question for market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► what should ask them in the next show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► what the current iOS rules are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► rotation and orientation and how lenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► guidelines are for your iPad app it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► should work in both modes whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► Microsoft is saying landscape you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► to do and portrait is optional which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► kind of weird I don't think I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► seen a iOS or iPad app that's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► the only thing I think of is maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► a movie player can you can you rotate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► Netflix I don't know like I've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► playback I can imagine them you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► wouldn't want it in portrait but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► apps I think the default on iPad is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► portrait and that's that's the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► expected you to use the thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► go into landscape you get this alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► mode maybe it's maybe it's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► applying my prejudice what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► predominant can work the my Merriam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► rejection of Microsoft's thing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► idea that people are going to to hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► grip it and use desktops but a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► differentiator right maybe it will maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► it will breed a different class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► applications making landscape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► maybe they'll look differently behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► I don't know I'm trying the Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► right now just to see what they I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► it'll flip around 360 if you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► upside down but I don't know if it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► ever I'm gonna try it it's loading up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► Danny Phantom episode 49 and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► on my iPhone because my iPad is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► automatically and in portrait mode it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► shows its side leaf yeah so it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► doesn't rotate I mean as someone pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► on the chatroom games do that too like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► yeah obviously you don't you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► to make your game rotate you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► make your game screen unless you mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► flipping it upside down does indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► cause it to go 360 you know only got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► like three more points left but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► not gonna fit in here so maybe it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► do part of a follow-up show okay there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► you don't wanna do them you're done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► you're done yeah no but the next point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► is contracts and I think that's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► oh that could be a whole show right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► there no not all show I'll get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► this window aid stuff yet I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► could be able show well if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► follow Jon on on Twitter you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► siracusa there's no z-s IRAC us a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► the the town in in italy have you been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► there you've been to siracusa i have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► but my grandparents did go there several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► times i believe how cool was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► that whole place named a free and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► actually okay yeah yeah subtitled so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► know it's my name with Isabel there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► anyway a couple a couple little little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► things you want to address we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► mentioned here that we will be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► about Goodfellas the movie Goodfellas we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► received a lot of feedback about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► things that we absolutely must do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► we absolutely must not do in reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► to that we are going to do that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► we've been cleared to do that so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► be having a show it will not it will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► necessarily or or if it is it will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► bonus episode it will not replace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► it will not be tacked on to the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► that week's episode it will be recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► released as its own as its own thing did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► I say that right John yeah I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► it's gonna be in the IP critical feet at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► all and not at all yeah and be its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► thing maybe it'll be a special five by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► five movie show maybe it'll be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► that we do with other hosts periodically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► who knows you can even make it on after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► dark for a language learn that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► fit in there because I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► publish yeah you're right any couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► publish but we could curse we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► curse in this other one if we want if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► make it a separate show recording from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► the movie you know yeah so we'll make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► an explosive it explicit and will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► tone tone shine curse I've never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► you curse I think you I've never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► that so I can't wait that's reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► enough to do a show sure so we'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► that so we are doing that so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► stay tuned we'll have update we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► update here about that show that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► main update that I wanted to do I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► wanted to to mention for those who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► care about such things and and who get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► this show we have a very fast turnaround [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► time with getting these shows out thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► very much to faith producer here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► doing that but so if you if you happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► listen to this today Friday earlier in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► the day perhaps on your commute home you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► should know that defringe comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► tonight season premiere of season 4 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► back tonight you're gonna be watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► that John let the DVR kickoff for about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► 15-20 minutes in it play I'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► yeah I'm personal course you will it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► been too long your favorite and a tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► of returns for season four the Fringe be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► talking about that next week for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► dedicate the whole show for that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► you don't think so okay but that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► you can go to find by five that TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► you know what people have been raiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► the show thanks thanks very much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► doing that some more ratings have come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► in John have you been following those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► reading a few people have I suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► last time that people click the helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► yes no links yes a lot of people not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► like yes yeah a lot of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► clicked my idea below was to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► introduce some churn so the top three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► reviews weren't still the top three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► right right but you just can't it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► it's a self-fulfilling prophecy people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► see them first and the reason they're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► like nice reviews and well Ritz on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► so forth and so as the people go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► clicking the yes/no helpful they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► click yes helpful in the top view so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► order has not changed in the first page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► but I do appreciate the people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► shuffling up from like the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► power because people are out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► writing good reviews yeah and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► in it there's nothing they getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► ignored so I thank everyone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► clicking those links either by pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► no not helpful to barring the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► you don't like or pressing s to the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► you do like here's the thing if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► a five-star review the appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► action is to download it that's all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► gonna say I'm I don't think that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► issue because anyone who's listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► the show and it's gonna go click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► iTunes because of us is gonna do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► because they like the show the reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► are overwhelmingly positive but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► like a negative one feel you know it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► disagree with you alright well dan says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► don't click the negative ones but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► telling you to be true to yourself be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► true to yourself which by definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► means down voting the negative ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Ipl0-MfU/5115">TS</a>]