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34: Pride in Craftsmanship

 

00:00:00   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:00   this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3">TS</a>]

00:00:06   the world of Apple related technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/6">TS</a>]

00:00:08   in business is nothing is so perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/8">TS</a>]

00:00:10   it cannot be complained about by a host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/10">TS</a>]

00:00:14   of the show John siracusa I'm Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   Benjamin this is episode number 34 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/17">TS</a>]

00:00:21   to say thanks for a bandwidth which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/21">TS</a>]

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00:00:41   tell you about them more as the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   goes on how're you doing this week John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   siracusa I'm pretty good fair yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/46">TS</a>]

00:00:51   great this week busy exciting week we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   exciting for for the Windows users among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   us I'm excited I'm not a Windows user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   and I'm excited excited to become to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/58">TS</a>]

00:01:01   become a Windows user perhaps not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   but I'm excited about the events of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   week like what what besides Windows 8 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   the big events when Metro but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   basically that's it the events of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   week is matter we'll talk about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   I do have to burn through some follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   here ok burn it out try to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   lightning fast corrections lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:21   take it on last week we actually be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:24   lightning ful of you Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   lfyou is an acronym used for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/86">TS</a>]

00:01:30   already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/90">TS</a>]

00:01:30   ok an abbreviation sorry so oh we get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/90">TS</a>]

00:01:34   as good go into the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/94">TS</a>]

00:01:35   an acronym and an abbreviation later if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   that could be a follow up for next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   people can look it up in the dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/99">TS</a>]

00:01:40   and tell me I'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   so we talked about markdown a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   last week and as I was listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   show as I always do after I record it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   realized that every time I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   about markdown I'm giving like examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   of how what markdown is like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   reversed the the meaning I was like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/115">TS</a>]

00:01:58   you put like a little asterisks around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   the word and we'll make it bold and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   know and underscores we'll make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   italic my how mark 10 works no no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   sent me a correction for this but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/126">TS</a>]

00:02:07   second I heard it I realized it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/128">TS</a>]

00:02:09   asterisks make it italic single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   underscores make it italic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   wander scores make it bold so not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   detail was particularly important but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   was constantly getting it wrong in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20   whole show maybe you're thinking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   were thinking of textile that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   was probably thinking of as a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   mine pointed out I made a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/146">TS</a>]

00:02:29   little UNIX utilities back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   for sending plain text messages to lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   and then I had it interpret plain text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   messages and dude like the vt100 escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38   codes to make like bold text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   underlining and stuff and in my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43   thing when there were stars around a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   word i omitted the vt100 codes for bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   text so I was thinking back to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/167">TS</a>]

00:02:51   misspent youth and how I interpreted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   commonly used emphasis characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   plain ASCII communication i someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   the chat room says double asterisk not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   around and make it bold but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   though for those relying on that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   podcast for actual detailed information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   on how markdown works don't I put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   link to these actual markdown syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/189">TS</a>]

00:03:10   documentation in the show notes so let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   me ask you a question then shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/193">TS</a>]

00:03:14   your general lack of familiarity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   markdown and its usage imply that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   opinion maybe should be called into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   question because you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   familiar with it you haven't maybe given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   it a chance you haven't given it a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/208">TS</a>]

00:03:28   it's like saying oh I don't I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   f-16s oh well why not well they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   this wrong with them and this wrong that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/213">TS</a>]

00:03:34   we'll have you ever flown an f-16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   - no I don't like it i I've I've used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/216">TS</a>]

00:03:40   plenty but I guess in my writing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   make words bold or italic and often you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/222">TS</a>]

00:03:45   just we'll see about indecision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   again I knew which was which I just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   whatever reason I misspoke repeatedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   during the show like I said well soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   I listen to it I said that's not how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   make things I feel like so right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   and no one sent that in so it must not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   have been that important so I think I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   I am familiar enough with markdown to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   have a reasonable opinion on it okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   will grant you that and I will also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   that maybe our audiences so become so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   trusting of you now they were all asleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   come on that they no longer another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   question question if siracusa says so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   must be true now they were all asleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   all right so the next one we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   about a languages with specks I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   it's part of that same episode I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24   mentioning that Perl ray doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   language spec and I didn't know if pie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   did someone sent in the Python reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/267">TS</a>]

00:04:28   and we're talking about spec versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   reference blah blah right and they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/270">TS</a>]

00:04:31   whether somebody else said the pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   out that the Ruby one is I guess under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   development right so this is this Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   spec project is a project to write an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40   executable specification for the Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   programming language so that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/282">TS</a>]

00:04:43   apparently is underway although you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   noted what an executable specification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   is I guess it's more kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   Perl six test suite I'm not sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   anyway I put the link in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51   so if people are interested in the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   of spec development for Ruby they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   follow that I think it's Ruby spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/295">TS</a>]

00:04:56   torgue the MIT course that I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   about when you went off on some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   side rail about robot competitions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   don't even remember what prompted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06   I'm talking about robots yeah maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09   the name of that course is 6.2 seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12   zero its MIT is autonomous robot design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   competition and I put a link to that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   the show notes I also put it in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   week's show so if you're interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   what that is I was trying to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   old Nova episode from like the late 80s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   that showed the particular competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   that I saw and I couldn't find video it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   online but they do list all the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   competitions on their website that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   liked and one this is a way back one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/331">TS</a>]

00:05:35   one point I was talking about was I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   got battery life or not I was banned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   bandwidth usage you asked me if Sprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   unlimited bandwidth would be a motivator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   for me to go to sprint and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   mentioning how I and I bought the 3G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   from my iPad I picked the middle plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   due to anchoring and all that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   uh but I didn't even come close to using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   the bandwidth whatever was to gigs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   didn't even come close to it and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   and I was using it all day and I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   watch from television shows and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   mentioned that I watched Game of Thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   i netflix and of course they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   watch Game of Thrones on netbooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/365">TS</a>]

00:06:06   because Netflix doesn't care Game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/366">TS</a>]

00:06:07   Thrones is usually easy and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   want to see are we really paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/369">TS</a>]

00:06:10   attention yeah well no I see I hear them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   when I listen to the episode I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/372">TS</a>]

00:06:13   what that makes no sense but when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   talking I guess comes out too fast me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   think but anyway Game of Thrones was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   the HBO go iPad app which you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   a subscriber to HBO I believe to view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   I'm always frustrated by that app is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/383">TS</a>]

00:06:24   can never remember what the hell my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25   login well actually not to correct you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   it's not as simple as being a subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   to HBO you have to be an HBO subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   on the appropriate through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   appropriate cable provider really yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   and many of you have HBO through RCN or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   some other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   can't get it right or for example if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   you're here in the great state of Texas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   you would like to do that and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   because most of us here are Time Warner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   Cable people we want my people but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/410">TS</a>]

00:06:55   you we're getting our HBO through Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   Warner Cable and Time Warner Cable has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/417">TS</a>]

00:06:58   not come to any kind of agreement with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   HBO and what that means is that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   not have the luxury of being able to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   this wonderful app that the whole rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   of the world uses and loves and benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   from we can't use it because Time Warner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/429">TS</a>]

00:07:10   Cable and HBO they won't you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/430">TS</a>]

00:07:14   won't sit in the same row together so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/434">TS</a>]

00:07:18   don't get to use it let's do but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   stupid and even when you can use it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   constantly trying to figure out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   remember how do I log into this app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/444">TS</a>]

00:07:27   convince it that I am actually a serrata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   subscriber to HBO through Verizon FiOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   blah blah blah because there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   connection to your verizon account right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   I can never remember what my login and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   password isn't I get the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/457">TS</a>]

00:07:38   two different logins and passwords to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   possibly work it's a frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/460">TS</a>]

00:07:41   application alright so those are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   quick follow-ups and then I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/464">TS</a>]

00:07:45   slightly longer follow-up that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   want to get through and enough time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   we can talk about Windows 8 this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   follow up to something you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   about on the talk show yesterday I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   believe talking about before yes we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/474">TS</a>]

00:07:58   a lot to talk about about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   before we do I just want to say John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   Gruber for those who don't listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   talk show jumping back to your markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03   thing this is in my notes here John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   Gruber would whether or not he will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   a thorough response or not we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   but he is going to be listening to last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   week's episode of hyper critical to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   listen to your comments about markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   and he may in typical Gruber fashion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   yeah well his news right and that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   be his response or he may have a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   thing so I would recommend that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/504">TS</a>]

00:08:25   who are interested in furthering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   discussion of markdown probably to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30   to its end point will listen to next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   week's episode of the top show so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   the strategy now I just mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   markdown in every show it's an Emmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   convinced Gruber tool actually listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/517">TS</a>]

00:08:38   them alright I think that's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   only way we can get him to listen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   show would be to talk about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   that he's known for him and has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   probably I talk about him all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   that doesn't make him listen anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   now we have the Douglas star wear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   Star Wars yeah ah he talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/533">TS</a>]

00:08:56   well first of all I could not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   that he didn't know about the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   Return of the Jedi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   no insertion I didn't know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   either I'll get one Internet are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   people using not currently the wrong one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   my wife knew about this last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   seriously you guys are behind well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   think we're counting on you two to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   us a whole Star Wars nerd ISM there oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/554">TS</a>]

00:09:19   I'm like I'm not I'm not reading movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/559">TS</a>]

00:09:22   websites every day but it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   pirkled up percolates whatever comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   and I don't know how I not even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   where I read it but everybody knew man I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   mean I I feel terrible yeah so so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/569">TS</a>]

00:09:33   discuss that a lot and my favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   about that show was that one of you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   forget which one was made worse in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39   chatroom link to the amazon.com review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42   for the ants that was me blu-ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   complete collection did you write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   you know 1129 reviews 829 of which are 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/585">TS</a>]

00:09:51   stock right 70 something percent are 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   star reviews for this quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   beloved movie wipe Israel hate George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   Lucas now it's great to see that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   I always think it's like I was just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   angry Star Wars nerds the only people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/601">TS</a>]

00:10:02   who care but the mass of humanity loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   it so I expected to go there and see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/605">TS</a>]

00:10:06   Star Wars blu-ray 5 stars everyone loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   Star Wars but at this point I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   seems like a high number of me it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/611">TS</a>]

00:10:12   just Star Wars nerds going out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   way to rate this badly and all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   don't know maybe this hard to tell so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   way back on hypercritical episode 13 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   talked about I again I don't how's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/621">TS</a>]

00:10:22   topic came up but I talked about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   easy it would be for George Lucas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26   find like the very best technicians and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   artists who work for free to produce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   digital clean version of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   trilogy without modification because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   like the most talented people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   entire industry would work so hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   him for free yeah do and do better work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   than they do for their paid work because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   it would be a labor of love to simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   preserve the original trilogy as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   existed when it was shown in theaters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   you know maybe clean it up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   for that set but the content would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/652">TS</a>]

00:10:53   remain unchanged right and I linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/653">TS</a>]

00:10:57   that secret history of Star Wars the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   thing about saving Star Wars I'll link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00   to it again in this show notes about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   state of the actual film negatives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   the original Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/664">TS</a>]

00:11:05   was like the fact that the cutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   pieces out of them to use in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08   things and Lucas's bogus claims about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   how the original negatives are gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   mm-hmm all sorts of stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   people should read that link again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   the show unto the demon already uh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/676">TS</a>]

00:11:20   think we're never asking Gruber was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21   saying wha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/681">TS</a>]

00:11:22   that he's not gonna buy this one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   he's given that guy enough money's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   50 cuz I had I had asked him if he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   going to be getting the the blu-ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   version of of all of the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   because that's it there that's what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   is all about is that you can go to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   favorite store or ordered on Amazon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   all of the movies all of the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   movies are being released on blu-ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   episodes all of them all the new all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/704">TS</a>]

00:11:47   old everything yeah they do actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   sell a separate one with just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   prequels I think in a separate one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   just the real movies okay I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   don't know what anyone would buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/713">TS</a>]

00:11:54   Complete Saga because no one should ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   have the prequels in their house if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   can help it yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/718">TS</a>]

00:12:01   so and he said he wasn't gonna buy see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   already at 50 million copies now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   many copies as well we got VHS copies a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/724">TS</a>]

00:12:07   couple of different VHS copies one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/727">TS</a>]

00:12:10   which i think is even actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/730">TS</a>]

00:12:11   special edition and I do have the DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/731">TS</a>]

00:12:14   versions of the original trilogy also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   but I also have like a DVD transfer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/737">TS</a>]

00:12:21   the laserdisc version which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/741">TS</a>]

00:12:22   unadulterated non special edition thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   but it's only DVD quality so these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/744">TS</a>]

00:12:25   all standard def and the whole reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   Star Wars blu-rays are big deals because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   it's the first time they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   officially available high-definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   version of the Star Wars movies as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/752">TS</a>]

00:12:33   as I know I think there's never been any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   official high debt versions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/755">TS</a>]

00:12:36   movies released good they look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/756">TS</a>]

00:12:40   good visually and that's what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   initially would think weakly oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   gonna be all array it's gonna be Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   Wars when they did that the DVDs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   remember looking at them and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49   that for example Darth Vader's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   lightsaber look too pink to me like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   I remembered it being redder and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   supposedly had cleaned them up and colic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   right ebay ignored like in scenes didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   have any additions than no Digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/778">TS</a>]

00:12:59   Editions I don't know that just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   looked different to me and there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/781">TS</a>]

00:13:02   of scholarly research on the web where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   you can find people showing scenes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   different color balances through many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/787">TS</a>]

00:13:08   different versions people arguing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/788">TS</a>]

00:13:09   what it should look like how it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   projected or whether when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   projected it look different because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/793">TS</a>]

00:13:14   projector was set up badly or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   so we're I'm going to come down this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/796">TS</a>]

00:13:19   that I may buy the original trilogy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/799">TS</a>]

00:13:22   blu-ray for one reason and that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/802">TS</a>]

00:13:25   is Empire Strikes Back which is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/805">TS</a>]

00:13:28   my favorite movies of all times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/808">TS</a>]

00:13:29   crucially the least adulterated of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   original trilogy films certainly now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   with the stupid no and Return of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/814">TS</a>]

00:13:35   Jedi as far as I know that have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   any additional crap Lucas isms added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   Empire Strikes Back and the things added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   thus far have been smaller not lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   like plot altering sacrilegious content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   crap like you know Rito shooting first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   that business so that totally destroys a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   new hope right and those stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   dinosaurs jumping all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   which grazetti didn't mind but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/837">TS</a>]

00:13:58   certainly do mine the knee replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   of the ghost at the end of Return our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   Jedi would that with Hayden Christensen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   yeah that Return of the Jedi hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   more fathers do thing now it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/846">TS</a>]

00:14:09   unwatchable you can't even watch that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/849">TS</a>]

00:14:10   what about the Ewoks who blink and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   can hear them blinking yeah like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/852">TS</a>]

00:14:15   mean I think content changers are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   egregious in elements so both Return of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   the Jedi and a new hope have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/859">TS</a>]

00:14:20   horrible content changes and Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   Strikes Back as far as I know it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/862">TS</a>]

00:14:23   least adulterated before and as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   know in the blu-ray it continues to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   the least adulterated without any stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   content changes so what it will give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/868">TS</a>]

00:14:31   is a much higher quality version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   Empire Strikes Back that I will actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/873">TS</a>]

00:14:34   deign to watch even though it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   100% pure like they painted in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   windows in the Cloud City and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40   a new sequence where you fly through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   cloud city before the money falcon lands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   and stuff like that sticks out and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   annoying and I could do without it oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   the stupid scene with Darth Vader taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   his shuttle from Cloud City back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/889">TS</a>]

00:14:50   Star Destroyer as if we didn't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   he got there before now that explains it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   I did it before I was so confused when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/894">TS</a>]

00:14:55   it appeared on the Stars bro right get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/895">TS</a>]

00:14:58   there I have no idea so stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01   I mean it's stupid but it's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   close to yeah you know Greedo shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   first or or the the stupid ghost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/906">TS</a>]

00:15:10   replacement or the no with Chuck and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   amber over so that's why I think I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/912">TS</a>]

00:15:13   find myself in possession of an empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/913">TS</a>]

00:15:17   strikes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/917">TS</a>]

00:15:18   a blu-ray at some point mm-hmm certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   not the prequels and the other two yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   so one last thing on this a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/923">TS</a>]

00:15:27   mine were talking about this online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/927">TS</a>]

00:15:28   he did a blog post recently about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   with the great title bad motive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   and it's about George Lucas copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   and all that other business I put a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   to it in the show notes his main point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   his larger point aside from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   Lucas tweaking these films and doing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   horrible mistakes and stuff is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   copyright is way too long I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   basically have a eternal copyright in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/947">TS</a>]

00:15:48   this country because of the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/948">TS</a>]

00:15:49   Mickey Mouse clauses every time Disney's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   properties come up for a cop to to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   into the public domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   Disney lobbies Congress and they extend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   copyright longer so even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   copyright is supposed to be for quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   unquote a limited time every time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   limit is about to be reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   they just extended farther so copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   is ridiculously long and my friend his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07   name is John McCoy his point was that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   the if the original Star Wars films had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/970">TS</a>]

00:16:13   been released under the original 17-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   term of copyright I don't remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   that term is from is that the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/977">TS</a>]

00:16:18   term in the first instance of copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/978">TS</a>]

00:16:21   law I don't I didn't look it up but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/981">TS</a>]

00:16:22   can but anyway I trust his his research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   here if it had been released under that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   thing we wouldn't be having this debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   because the material will be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   public domain and as he points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/990">TS</a>]

00:16:31   criterion could release a restored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   original version with commentary by you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   know historians and fans Walmart could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/995">TS</a>]

00:16:38   release a version with all the incest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   taken out this alliance from his article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   ya know what if they if they're offended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   by their brother and sister kissing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   know in Empire Strikes Back they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   remove that right Lucas Lucas could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   his stupid versions Jar Jar everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   right and it's a quote from this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   the point is that art with the capital a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   would be served in commerce with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   capital C little cent sign would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   served as well so it the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:04   know the rights holders are not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:05   right people to hold the rights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:06   things you shouldn't have them this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:07   longer this had been if this was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   public domain people will be making more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   money and there would be more artistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   freedom we wouldn't be having this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:14   debate you know it's not as if we'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   taking rights away from Lucas he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   still have the right to release his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:19   great version with all these special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:20   stuffin and if that's actually better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:21   people would buy it but now these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   the only versions you know as Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   point out if someone just released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   if you just released the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   trilogy and these modified ones then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   consumers could pick whichever we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   no one would care they'd be like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   those new changes think but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   gonna buy the other one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   instead we wouldn't all be hating Lucas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   because he's just denying us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   original movies that we want to see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:40   hide that version so I suggest people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   read that length article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   a bad motivator on John McCoy's blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:49   strangely titled pathetic fallacy ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:52   faith has some sums ask us about this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   me mainly alright ok this this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:59   question like I didn't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   people were getting so like upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   Lukas changing the movies because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   they're his movies so shouldn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:09   shouldn't he'd be able to but you sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:12   of just answered it so just correct me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   if I if I'm not getting this right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:17   people the grievance people have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18   this is that the original versions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21   no longer available it's not solely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   he's making alterations to them so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:26   going to quote from John McCoy again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   who's my obi-wan on his topic you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   your obi-wan yeah at a certain point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   relevance art was more to the actions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   the audience than to the author like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   it's his when he creates it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   deserves to be able to make money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   it but once it goes out into the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   consciousness it becomes part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   culture it's no longer his it's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   the culture and he can do whatever he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:46   wants with derivatives of it and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   it and stuff like that but the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:49   Star Wars should be part of the popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   culture and should not be held captive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:52   for 90 years or however long to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:55   whims of this person so much so if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   refuses to release the original version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   of the film that we all saw in the 70s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   and 80s right that's part of the culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   that's not his anymore it's bigger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   him so he shouldn't be able to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:08   shouldn't I mean the laws are the laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:09   what I'm saying is do anything illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   or immoral or even unethical it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:13   bad for the culture it's it's bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   commerce not that that really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   that much but it's additionally bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   commerce and it's just bad for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:20   bad for arc it makes all of us unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   so again I wouldn't say what he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   doing anything legal he's not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:26   anything immoral and I don't think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:27   even doing anything unethical he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   doing something it is suboptimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   let's say so yeah then the main gripe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   people have is not so much of he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   changing his thing the way he wants it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:36   fine let him do whatever the heck he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   wants it's his it's that he's also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:41   know being a stick-in-the-mud and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:42   giving us the original versions that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   all saw that we all want seriously it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   not like it's on he went added an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   additional chapter to the end of a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   like Anthony Burgess did with Clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   Orange where it changes the whole feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   of a novel and that kind of thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:54   saying that because the original not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:58   work is is essentially been redacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   it's been removed it's it's been read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   Condon there's there is no way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   back and see what was originally a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:07   I unless you have an original negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   from the original theatrical runs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   can't even like you know if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:11   movie theater so I want to show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   original trilogy not the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:14   editions you can't even get that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   you know it please I will sell tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   and I will give you money in exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   for people who come to see this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:21   and then know that we won't give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   you again that's his legal right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   don't think it's a moral or ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:26   thing that is just it's just worse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   our culture our culture is poorer for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:32   for not being able to see those movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   you know we have to just wait has one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   ever to wait till he's dead I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:37   wait you know who knows when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   copyright bill ever expire or how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   it will be with his estate that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   another thing that John McCloy brings up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44   in his article talking about the James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   Joyce estate and how they've held on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   his rights for so long and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   ancestors of great artists are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:53   necessarily the best stewards of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   work because they're not interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56   the greater benefit of the culture the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:59   more interested in either lining their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:00   pockets are protecting the works from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   any altercation alteration rather did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:07   you see there was an article that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   out I don't know how actually how old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:12   the article was but affiliate was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   recent where Steven Spielberg announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:18   it for his blu-ray stuff of like et that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   he is going to be removing the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24   that he that he did to change it I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   the the example that I remember was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   cited was at one point The Secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   Service agents were running around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   guns and while it was during the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   where Elliot and sorry for preventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   the movie for those haven't seen et I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   guess it will get email oh you ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   social Redemption bleep okay okay fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   don't listen for the next three minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   the part where Elliot et riding and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51   bike and et is up in the front and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   they're escaping after et wakes up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   the I guess it in this scene the Secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   Service agents are running around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   yeah I don't know whether it was machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   guns or pistols or whatever they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:01   guns and Spielberg went back in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:05   tweaked the heck out of this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   turned it into walkie talkies so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:10   were running around with walkie-talkies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12   to that ad I guess uh and so he he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:17   changed that and he had I guess he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:22   that he felt that he had somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   betrayed the original feeling associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   with the movie and is is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   restore the original et movie the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:35   was originally filmed regardless of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:39   was changed later he's restoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   original one for this final sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:43   blu-ray release as well he should and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:47   you know if I can I'll take a second to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   armchair psychoanalyze without ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:52   meeting or really knowing anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:53   Lucas and Spielberg to compare why one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   is reversing the other has just doubled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:57   down Lucas has always been I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:01   sees himself as an outsider and always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   has seen himself as an outsider he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04   wanted to get out of the Hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   system he wanted to you know do his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   thing on Scott Walker Ranch wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:08   an independent filmmaker didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   be under the thumb of studios didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   like dealing with him always wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:13   be financially independent and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   that comes from like sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18   us-versus-them oppressed minority thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   even though he's like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21   800-pound gorilla at this point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   this is just his attitude so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   when people criticize him for making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:26   changes he's not able to process that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   criticism constructively but simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   withdraws and become stubborn says oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   yeah well I'm going to add more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:35   debt and you know climate wheezing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:36   doing what Dan paper kids the kids love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:39   like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:40   he's the grumpy kid who's like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   stubborn and just I know I won't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   the more you the more you yell about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   more I'm going to you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   Spielberg is well-adjusted enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   look at the criticism and think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   so maybe they are right maybe I am going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   back and changing things because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   know my attitude may be different when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56   I'm older but the a younger Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   Spielberg made that movie and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   shouldn't the work of that younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   Steven Spielberg be preserved as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   our culture as being being erased well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   giving an example of that is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   heard an interview with with Spielberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   and this was a number of years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   they were saying is there anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:11   you would have changed about any of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   movies and I guess they were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   about Close Encounters of the Third Kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:18   and by the way I'm going to ruin the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   of Close Encounters of the Third Kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   now in case you haven't seen it have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   not seen a face she's look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   me you haven't seen it oh wow well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:29   going to ruin it for you I'm sorry this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   is the downside of the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   occasionally I will ruin movies for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   on the show uh Spielberg said well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   wouldn't have had him go at the end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   feel like as a dad now it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:45   irresponsible for him to go uh because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:49   he had a family out of you know a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   wife I'm I do having him go was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   irresponsible thing that I as a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   director without a family didn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   didn't think about didn't wasn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   aware of now I wouldn't have him go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:02   he didn't go back and you know airbrush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03   Dreyfuss uh off the the the plank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:07   walking onto the ship either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08   he left it he's maybe he regretted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:11   but he said you know what that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   the movie that I made another example is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:16   a jaws where they couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   stupid mechanical shark torch at work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19   the time so they didn't have the shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   in a lot of the shots right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:22   everybody said oh you know that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   great so suspenseful right because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   don't get to see the sure but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26   just because they couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27   special effects to work and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:28   worried about oh god we couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29   stupid mechanical shark to work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   people are going to be scared by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   movie and as it turns out they're even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:33   more scared by not seeing it so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   couldn't go back in there the CG shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   to all the scenes like I always wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:38   that mechanical shark to work him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   stupid thing wouldn't work and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   go back and edit which is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   what Lucas did because he was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   these special effects to be just so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   have more aliens and he went back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   headed them but Steven Spielberg was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   smart enough to realize hey wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   second actually it's better without that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   everyone tells me and I find it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:54   true my own experience that not seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:57   the shark is even scarier than seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:58   so were you going back and adding the CG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   shark condition to modifying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   original it regardless whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:03   released original it would make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04   movie worse and so he he realizes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   the case and does not go back and add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:07   the CG shark so I found I found the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   article not to you know beat a dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   horse or anything I found the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   put it in the show notes but it was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   the 20th anniversary edition Spielberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   made some changes to the movie and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   says some scenes of et got the CGI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   treatment to enhance his expression a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   certain description of Michael's breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23   was removed and most famously the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   had their weapons replaced with walkie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   talkies and and and and he says here he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:33   I guess he was uh he was interviewed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   front of a crowd at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   Raiders the Lost Ark event and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:40   if he needed to go back and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   things in his movies the director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   responded quote I tried this once and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   lived to regret it not because a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   outraged it but simply because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:48   disappointed in myself I was overly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   sensitive to some of the criticism et [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   got from parent groups when was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   released in 1982 having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:56   Elliott saying penis breath or the guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   and then there were certain other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1618">TS</a>]

00:26:59   brilliant but rough around the edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:00   close-ups of et that I was felt if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   technology ever evolves to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   where I can do some facial enhancement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   for et I'd like to he said it was okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   for a while but then I realized what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   had done was I had robbed the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   loved each of their memories of et and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   regretted that which he received a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   massive applause the only contrition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   that I really performed is when et came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   out on DVD for the first time I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   Universal when you released this on DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   you have to come out for the same price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   of one DVD you have to put two movies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   the box and one movie will be the 1982 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   version and the other will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   digitally enhanced version and then he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   went on to ask the audience he says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:38   know we're coming out with a blu-ray of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   ET if it just came out with one ET the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:43   1982 et would anyone object to that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:46   he says there were loud knows from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   audience and he said okay then so be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:51   yeah see he's at least self-aware enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   to realize like what's going like a war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   okay Cessna in the bar you in a Cessna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   I'm not an assessment that's a lawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1680">TS</a>]

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00:28:03   that's a lawn mower what kind of lawns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   do you have up there n' if you want beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:08   I'm pretty much done with the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   thing so if you want you can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1690">TS</a>]

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00:29:02   designers it's it's all elegant it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   beautiful it's a hundred percent rebrand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   Abul make a ton of features you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   it for free lots of different plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   campaign monitor comm check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:14   there's still no no no we're still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   you want to kill time by talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   faith about movie shed and seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   should be done like 10 minutes well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   one the one thing we've talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   I will I will mention this now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:25   haven't really we haven't really have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:28   really said this or not but there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   is a mum you and I enjoy I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   of the same movies although I'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   much into you know like they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   Dragon Slayer from 1982 as you are um we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:41   think that you know about that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   proves you wrong I've seen the movie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   remember the little baby dragons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   remember a shield oh yeah hear that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   came out and so I'm guessing at the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:50   and I was expecting you to tell me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   know Dan it was 79 you fool uh not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:57   confused with with the Dragon Slayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   game completely different thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:03   the laserdisc game where you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   your little cartoon character running my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   dragon's lair think for a second what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   was that call dragon's lair lair lair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   that's what I said dragon's lair oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   missing the you're trying to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   some kind of bad pun there Slayer versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:22   well the movie was Slayer the movie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   lair I said not to be confused with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:25   dragon's lair okay okay all right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   you add a little cartoon character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:29   you would run and you'd supposed to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   the jump button at a certain exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   moment impossible for a you know young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   teenager to perfectly time because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   had no experience perfectly timing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   the seeking speed of a laserdisc well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   the thing was jumping not that but was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:49   there a jump on I thought it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   the joystick there was a joystick there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   was a jump button there was an attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   button there was everything you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   everything confusing game and it cost 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   cents to play now now I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   good doll er to play the most basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:00   video game but back when this game came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   out it would that was a fort that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:06   small fortune for a kid with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07   allowance and then you can you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:10   get past the second stage Oh what was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   supposed to do was I supposed to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   was I supposed to attack this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:14   supposed to hit left and then you'd see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   the guy who owned the arcade joint come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   over there and play for two hours on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   a couple quarters as he'd been practiced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:24   prior to gauntlet you ever played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27   gauntlet you're going farther down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31   rathole I guess I play gauntlet who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   you in gauntlet Valkyrie we shot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:37   food I was either the warrior or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   health usually you know what would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   cool is if you get the elf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:44   and you get the boots of speed oh watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:48   out man watch out that's you'd run out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:51   there and grab all that treasure for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   other warrior be back there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   hacking away the ghosts the grunts all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   right so pop pop the stack pop the stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   here what is a hat I'm trying to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   you to clean your programmer I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06   to tell you to to go back if you stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   frames return from your deeply nested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:11   subroutine to the higher level thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   happy for the longer you got onto this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:14   topic because that you kill time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   know you said kill time so this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   I do I kill the trainer I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   what the original thing was at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   point it was something about how you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:22   not a oh you're talking about movie us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   doing a movie thing yeah there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:26   Goodfellas yes we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   Goodfellas on an upcoming episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   show and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:31   you want some day we will because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   have things in common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   movies that we like and this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   one of the greatest all-time movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   you you suggested early on when we first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   started doing the show I said I said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   should talk movies too because we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   lot of these movies that we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   common including Dragon Slayer which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   know is when your favorites and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   had said well Goodfellas we have to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   about that and you in fact I think went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56   on to say please don't talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   with anybody else until we've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   chance to talk about because I have so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   much to say about it and I made you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   promise I would just like to say Lou we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   should announce it at least now we're we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   do have plans to do this we will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   on the show we'll do it on no other show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   I think we already announced that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   so long ago people may have forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   but yes I wanted to get dibs on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   because I was afraid you're going to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   out of Bond movies and start doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   Gruber we will not we will not be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   Goodfellas there we will do be doing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   here I was trying to like plant all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   gangster movies so we could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:26   Godfather 1 and 2 after that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   great they are you up for it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   pretend three doesn't exist and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   and so forth are you up for it and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   see how the first one goes it's gotta be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   good Phyllis it's gotta be good fuck yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:37   yes I'm all ready to watch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:40   preparation for whenever we can arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   to record do we do it as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   show or is it a special separate I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   it's a special separate thing otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:48   the shuttle go too long okay and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:49   people don't want to people complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   about many topics on hypercritical that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:54   are not relevant to Apple or technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   huh even really in certainly Goodfellas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   so it will be a separate separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   episode yes special you had some ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   for like making a special show with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   weird title that would be you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   about movies with the fairies other host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   I would like that I feel like it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   just be you and me on that show well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:17   maybe I'm stirring it all right let's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   when it was eight windows 8 Metro what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:24   can you say that hasn't been said at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   this point Oh what is that what is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:30   we got leaf blowers now but they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   tail-end can you fix this in post or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   should we just wait for leaf blowers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   go away I think it's adds a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   of character to the to the show I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   I'm not taking any of this out all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   I'll throw in another correction my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   friend John McCoy just points out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   the original copyright term was 14 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   not 17 he made a mistake in his article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:52   so there's a little real-time follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   a Bernard you have up there and not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   a big yard at all that's why they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   done shortly you don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   yourself no I did for a while but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   like at a certain point I spent my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   teenage years mowing my parents lawn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:11   they had a much bigger lawn than I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   and a certain point of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   what I'm done mowing lawns I've put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   my quota of lawn mowing and yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:21   much much more economical I'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   to have someone just do it for you done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   with you yeah cuz otherwise I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31   spending every single weekend during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32   summer just mowing the lawn and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   lawn maintenance all right that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   how I want to spend my weekends no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   hear that this is this is sort of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   take on the the good of the many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   outweigh the good of the one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:45   so nuclear are they gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48   can we talk about how they're not gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   but they're more distant so so Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   uh I tried to watch some of the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   and I could not handle the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:59   presentation he went on forever I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   like the ball guy is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   everything there was two hosts on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   screen none the actual keynote the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   like that the first keynote of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   there was two hosts who kept going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   and forth through each other and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10   were just hyperactive and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   making me this is making me nervous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   watch them but so then Gruber linked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:17   recommended disliked the afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   keynote or some other thing it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   Jensen Harris gave this talk on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   title was eight traits of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:25   metro-style apps and if the title is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:30   misleading is really just like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   through the philosophy and underpinnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   of the entire metro UI and it's 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   minutes long it's just one host and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:36   is kind of long and boring but I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   the whole thing and it does do a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:40   job of explaining the UI so while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43   watching it I was making notes I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   try to make notes watching the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   but I just couldn't take any more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   I watched that whole nine you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:49   video I made lots of random notes so ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52   they're not really that well-organized I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   just kind of go through them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   order they appear on my on my note sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   here because I think I think Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   is very interesting the first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   notice that is I and I noted this Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   as well it isn't kind of weird that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08   Microsoft considers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   a to publicly show broken and buggy code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   and demos like that's something it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   very different from the Apple world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   where so Apple will show like user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   preview of the upcoming Mac OS 10 line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   in Steve Jobs or whoever Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:24   is that his name will get up on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   and demo a pre-release version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:27   operating system acknowledging that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   not done yet but everything in that demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   is going to work and if it doesn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:34   you know it's notable right so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   though the whole lesson may not be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   everything they're going to demo has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:39   work just demo the parts that work don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   demo the parts that don't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   rehearse that demo six or seven times so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   that you know yeah when I do this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   these all these things are going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   right whereas Microsoft and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:52   demos that I saw in this age you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   traits of great metro-style apps and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   other keynote tons of stuff wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   working there was lots of you know lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   of failures and lots of people pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:04   at the screen and not doing what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:05   was supposed to do on the first second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   or third try I guess it was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   of that with uh with Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   trying to do gestures with his very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   nervous shaky fingers on the the Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   Mouse right but you know that's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   not so much as failure and software here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:17   I saw things happening with people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   try to touch a button on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   nothing would happen and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   reset the device at one point in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   demo he switches to the Windows desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   goes to the task manager and kills a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   process then comes back and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   relaunches and it works the second you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   know so lots really I mean I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:33   saying that's bad it's pretty Lea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34   software but it's a different it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35   different philosophy that Microsoft was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   willing to do it do and show anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   but they also didn't have the discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   to make sure that everything shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44   during their demos was guaranteed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   work because they done it seven times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   before right like maybe they had done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   before but the coulee didn't go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   enough rehearsals to know whether this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   stuff was going to work maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:53   didn't have time so that's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   different philosophy I think and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   different also WWDC in the sessions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   not in the keynote but in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   session as a WWC you'll see stuff not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   work and stop crashes they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   some pre-release feature of an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   system but this was public this was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   mean that's the difference I guess with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:09   Microsoft and everything else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10   everything that this build conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:11   seems to be public on they put all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   video on Channel nine for free I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   have to pay anything I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:16   sign up for any account I could just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:17   to the website and look at the video so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   Microsoft is much more open and much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   more willing to show you the unfinished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   bits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:24   they're doing so broadly speaking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:28   first thing I noted when they were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29   through these Metro apps is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   write them in C++ C sharp or JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   HTML and zamel which is their XML UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   definition thing that they do now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:43   gets back to the köppen 2010 stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   we're saying a look at Microsoft they of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   course they have their C sharp memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   manage language with the VM and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   other stuff and of course they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51   JavaScript HTML which is even higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   level but there's also C++ and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   this whole big idea of a C++ Renaissance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   going on at Microsoft and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   companies where previously C++ was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:03   dumped on because it was complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   fragile and annoying but new C++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   standards to come out adding new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   features and libraries that hide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   ugly bits for you or standard people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   community is standardized in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   libraries that get rid of some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17   rough edges let you do things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:18   previously too annoying to do yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   so it's in typical Microsoft fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   they want everything but you can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   see bus plus you can do it in c-sharp or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   just kind of in the middle there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:27   can even do in JavaScript you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   they're very different from Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   that philosophy is they're not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   didn't they didn't pick one language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:34   they have this whole language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:35   spanning an entire range I that's come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:39   becomes interesting when you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:40   talking about Windows unarm which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   Microsoft is doing they want to through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   their operating system to run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:44   different processor architecture now if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   you write your app in javascript in HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   for example you don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   about it running on arm because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   like there's no compiling it will run an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   arm just fine right and c-sharp because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   it runs in the common language on time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2458">TS</a>]

00:40:59   assume will also have a similar property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   that your application will run an arm as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   long as they can get the common language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:04   runtime to run an arm right but your C++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   application you will need to recompile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   if you wanted to run an arm so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:13   their own language range is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   spread across the the ease of getting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   to arm and I think right now people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:18   didn't even know well so what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   windows an arm is that important am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   going to want to do that is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   essential it's kind of a wait-and-see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:24   attitude so I'm not sure people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   making language choices based on arm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   this point till they see what the arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   stuff is doing so the next thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   occurred to me watching this is that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   these things are showing written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   everything but the key the key issue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   Microsoft give the devs the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   to come over to their platform like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   that's always been the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:43   Windows Phone they're always trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   throw money at people say if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:46   make your app for Windows Phone make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   Angry Birds for Windows Phone here will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:49   give you tons of money just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   make your cool app for Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   please please you know anybody they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   looking for anybody who does a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   mobile app on another platform to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   over and make mobile apps for Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2518">TS</a>]

00:41:59   Phone Apple didn't have to really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:02   that it seems like Apple didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   do that as much maybe Apple did go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:05   to EA and everybody throw money at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   and get them to make iPhone games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   originally but certainly at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   people are going to iOS because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   where the money already is whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   Microsoft is trying to get them to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14   to the phone and the tablet it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:15   same type of thing you can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:16   great cool platform but if you can't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   developers to come and make your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   apps for that platform you're just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   you know it's a it's a chicken-egg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   so some of the things they were using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   the presentation to try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   developers over is the typical line you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   know some of you are going to get rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   on this platform you know put the dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   signs in their eyes you come right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   know Metro apps you will get rich some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   of you were going to build apps that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   used by hundreds and millions of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:39   you know because Microsoft has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   biggest ecosystem that was the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   they were pressing is like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:44   Microsoft you know even though I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:47   even though we're doing nothing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   tablet space and we're a distant third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   or fourth in the phone space right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   hardly we're the biggest ecosystem at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   Ninon they are I guess we got the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:57   platform that's putting our big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   ecosystem but this is a tall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   they may have the biggest ego system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:02   there but they're not the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   ecosystem of users paying for downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   apps or for devs creating them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   they don't have anything in that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   you know they sell their apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   shrink-wrap and licenses to corporations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   they're not they're not selling it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   individual users who are downloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   them and in real time they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   millions of credit card bearing accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   and people who are trained to buy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   digitally from them or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   that uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   another phrase is you want to get in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   the ground floor you know Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   wants a gold rush in telling you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   really want to get on the ground floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   be the first guy to make the great app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   another point they were hammering was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   have a more very more varied devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   than any other ecosystem because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   had that big display in the stage where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   they showed Windows 8 running on a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   giant PC and then a smaller PC and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   a big tablet and then a smaller tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:45   like they were showing Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   commends this whole huge range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   devices you know we have the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:51   I don't know if I would have leaned on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   as much as they did because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:54   imagine anybody was on an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   developer looking dead and going oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   great more fragmentation no I don't will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:00   tell me how many devices you have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   I'm not quite sure what that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   selling point for developers like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   gonna make my app work on that entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:07   range of stuff that's on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   alright so if you've seen the Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   applications just looking to screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:18   before I'd watch your videos I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   these things are ridiculously simplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:22   no there's almost nothing on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   no nope no controls no typical chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   stuff and like not even a lot of content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   right it's just just nothing right I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   thinking how much more simplified they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   are even then Apple's latest revision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:38   simplified desktop apps right so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   the address book when they changed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   stupid book thing right but but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   simplified the applications as two panes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   instead of three or iCal where they hid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   the little stuff under pop-ups that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48   to be sticking out on calendars looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   like a big month calendar that's it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   were trying to simplify that application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   that's nothing compared to this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   simple Gatien this is just remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   everything so I don't know if they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   just leapt ahead of where Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:03   terms of simplification because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:04   trend is in a clear direction there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   let's just jump way it like if Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   slowly simplifying these applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   where you know forget we're gonna leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   them the dust we're gonna super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   simplified stuff ah it was making me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:16   think okay I'll go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   aesthetics in a little bit but it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   jimana to uh note that they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:24   leapfrog things in simplification but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   that's a good thing or not we'll say ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   so in the UI once you see start seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   the thing in use all right I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:35   what made me think of as the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:36   introduction so the iPad came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   room stalking well Apple's gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   tablet what's it gonna be like we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   held the iPhone we wanted to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   tablet and there was lots of fantasies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   about well there was the hardware on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   side which I think everyone more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   knew what hardware was going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49   the week or so leading up the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:52   liked I think it did about post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   on ours where I tried to predict what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   the hardware would be and it was exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   what everyone thought it would be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   the software people didn't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   there was speculation that maybe would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   be Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   well an iOS or what kind of iOS would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   be just like that what anybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   talking about Mac os10 nothing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   people but the reason people were think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   about Mac os10 because they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   like okay well sure iOS or iPhone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   less is great on the phone but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   bigger screen so I don't don't you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:20   to make right isn't it more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   computer yeah yeah you would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   different choices in terms of how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:25   use screen so it's like the decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   you made when the screen was tiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28   fit in your hand or should be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   than the ones you make when it's big so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   that's why people say well Mabel they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   just put the full fledge mac OS x you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   could fit it on that size screen Ino is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   no good for touch about like I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   know I don't I don't think Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   being on it had really any Koreans but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:42   what I was thinking about was what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   they gonna do to iOS to adapt it to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   bigger screen and I remember being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   disappointed when they showed it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   stage and the home screen was the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   same grid of icons just more widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   spaced right like if someone had shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   you that as as a faked up spy photo of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   like here's a leaked photo of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   maybe like you just took a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   the the iPhone springboard and spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   the icons out there's no way Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:06   do that they're gonna come up with a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:07   interface that's appropriate for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   tablet nope it's springboard with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   icon spread out more or less you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   and I was very disappointed that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   didn't try to think about how they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   be different on a tablet size screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   right and when I saw that decision again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   again back to the past we did about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   Steve Jobs and how we have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   Steve Jobs actually does so we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   assign to him whatever decisions we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   think but I thought that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   smelled like Steve Jobs and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32   imaginary Steve Jobs in my head I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   imagine him being shown seven or eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:38   different alternatives for like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   interface on the iPad would be like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:44   him looking at all them and going yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   why can't me just do a grid of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   like the phone people people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   and it works why can't we just do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:51   don't understand why you don't why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   we just make it a grid of oh god that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:54   it it's just gonna be a grid of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:55   who show me that I can't you see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   doing that isn't that his type about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   like thinking this why you show me all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   these fancy wizzy interfaces but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   know what the alternatives possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   could have been it's like but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   didn't we already solve this the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   just use the creative icons people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08   that do it alright so we have a grid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   icons uh Microsoft did not do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15   Microsoft well I don't know you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   say Microsoft to me to scale the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:18   of what it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19   Windows Phone but certainly it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   just a grid of icons it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   weird you call it a mosaic of tiles not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   emotion in practice it's very hot very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29   different uh using the thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:33   lock screens in Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:34   did you see that in the videos I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   thinking about that I don't think I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   that one to describe it how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39   work so instead of you know an apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   slide the little yeah thing to the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   to get your thing well they have is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   gesture based thing where you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   a big desktop pattern but a big a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:50   photo that's the background of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   thing so they're always putting pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:53   of the kids or something on there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   then you make a series of gestures on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   the picture of your kid to launch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   that's right yeah they're like poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   the left thigh poking the right eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   slide on the smiley face in your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   opens right um someone did a logo like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:05   here's our company logo and I swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   across the top and logo and then trace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:08   these little lines in the logo and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:09   it unlocked uh I don't think that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:13   mean the security of those things is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   subject to people looking at your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   at the right angle and seeing where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18   finger grease trails lead and to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   out how to unlock your thing and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   imagine it being frustrated frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   if they didn't make it like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:26   didn't add a lot of slop in there where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   you don't have to be so precise so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   didn't exactly hit your daughter's pupil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   so we're not gonna open it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:32   sitting there stabbing your kid in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33   face repeatedly trying to get so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   got to be really permissive but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   also makes this security not so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   not that like you know your numeric code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   one two three four on your phone is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   great either but it just struck me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:45   kind of weird as another thing I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:46   imagine Apple doing this I just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   poke your kid in the face few times to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   unlock your thing is not great but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51   also see Steve Jobs trying to pimp that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   as a great feature so I could go either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:54   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:54   ah so the look of the thing after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:59   staring at Windows 8 for like an hour or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   two hours and then looking back at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:05   iPad or an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   it makes iOS look old like the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:10   that when a new version of Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   comes out like maybe you skip like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:13   versions and go back to like ten point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   three or ten point two and look at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:16   know my god how do we even look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   with the pinstripes and the drawers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   all it's just it's just hideous right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21   well if you look at Metro for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   time then you look back at iOS it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   like busy and has lots of stuff and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   of you know they call it Chrome but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   know the these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   ashle rendered buttons in the toolbars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   on your iPad apps it's not a lot of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   but like oh they're made to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:38   it's kind of like recessed underneath a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   little you know the toolbar is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   little metal shell and there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:43   recessed button under it with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44   shadow on and all that shading and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   like it looks a little clunky after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   you've seen just this sort of clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   empty regions of color that they use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   Windows 8 when the Metro interface in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   Windows 8 I I don't know if that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3056">TS</a>]

00:51:00   anything but it does it's an impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   that struck me after going from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   environment into the other like usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   that happens to Apple doing it to itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   now here's someone potentially doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   to Apple I'll have to see them in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   life to know whether that's actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:14   case but on the screen it looks less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   like a computer let's put it that way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   looks less like a computer then then iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   or the Mac does and that's been Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:24   trend is to make everything they do look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:25   less like a computer but this looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:27   really less like a computer I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:31   was notable that they have they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32   making a big deal out of the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   all their text base lines are aligned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   like you know like within a print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:38   publication when you line the base line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   so the and also in a grid system and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   design type thing that's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   Microsoft would never even acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   the existence of they the pre Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   Microsoft here they were in a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   presentation making a big point of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   and saying you don't have to worry we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:52   take care of this for you but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   really important because look how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   lines up from screen to screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57   know the same reason you do it in print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:58   it's not a revolution to figure this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   it's a revolution for Microsoft for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   actually thinking about stuff like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:04   for a change now as for the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:09   operation of this thing if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   watched the video in the show notes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   should pause the thing now and go watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   the video for 90 minutes and then sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   and come back and listen to so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   talk more watch it while you sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:21   yeah also I'm not going to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:22   everything that's in it song assume you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:23   already seen it but my impression of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:26   Start screen which is that big mosaic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   icons is it yeah it doesn't look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:31   computer UI what it looks like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   well before I say this let me say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   does it look like to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   let me just this ifs no one told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   that this was Windows 8 or anything how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   you just saw a screenshot or a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   of you know that thing what does it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:42   like to you what other existing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   that you know of all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   does it look like do you mean besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   the windows phone or is that the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   now besides the windows one yeah other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   thing does it look like maybe I'm dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   what does it read what does it remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56   none an on computer thing an on computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3176">TS</a>]

00:53:01   thing I all I know is computers so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:05   it's just me that when I when I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   it what it looks like to me is a page in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   a catalog like you know a nicely laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   out sort of avant-garde page and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   catalog for clothes like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:16   advertisement like an IKEA catalog yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   not not so much like a bunch of ads but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   like here are wares for sale we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24   these lovely dishes and here these happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:27   people were in clothing you can buy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28   some text alongside on a target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   advertisement yeah it looks like a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   in a catalog and if you look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:36   screenshots like they always put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   beautiful happy people laughing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   the beautifully photographed merchandise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   or the big close up of a flower or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   other thing you know and I look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   and it's they're nice-looking pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   but what it strikes me is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51   content free content like the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:56   looks nice but what information is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   conveying to me or do I have to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   text right and the second thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02   thought of is that's how it looks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   their demos but when the user gets this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   thing is that screen going to look so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   hot when it's not filled with super high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   quality high-res photos of models right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   when it's when it's like an avatar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   that's originally 64 by 64 and it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:18   scaled up to 512 we're just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   know we're not all models you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   pictures of your friends and family who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23   are not as attractive and they will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   be nicely lit are these these pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:26   of like I could have done like dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   plates and other stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   professionally photographed expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   things mmm where you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   pictures of your stuff that's just ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   with the flash burn on it take picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   of it on you I don't like that screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   going to look very different when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   when it's you and when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   Microsoft's marketing department filling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   that ah and I still question even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   that case whether those images convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   any information the main thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   think is a detriment to those things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3296">TS</a>]

00:55:00   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   this sounds dumb but like so they kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   making point of than not being icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04   that means they're not iconic it's it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07   harder to identify items because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   you're looking for you know I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   for words with friends and welcome to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:13   the icon with the yellow square with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   little letters on it like it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   different than the other icons yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   they're all the same shape which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   bummer on the iPhone but color scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:20   wise and position wise you know it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:24   easier for me to fly another position I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   think they're doing okay with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27   they do seem to have a set set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   screens and you can drag them wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:30   you want then make them whatever size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:31   you want they don't move on their own so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   I think position they're okay but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   still glancing to look for that yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:36   thing to confirm where you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:37   especially if it's not an app that use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:38   all the time and unlike the main screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   right and I guess their Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   argument for this so John is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   it should be about the content don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:46   think about the apps then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:49   find the thing to tap you have to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:52   the thing right you could quickly find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   your newsreader right right doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   and if the if the it like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   remember the position you might be okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   but if you don't know what screen you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   on I'll I'm screen number three so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   know it's always in the lower right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:04   you'll look in the lower right to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:05   confirm that that's the newsreader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   it will be some random picture of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   article but that's another thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   you're gonna do the newsreader like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:11   here's our newsreader look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:12   pictures the articles I read don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   beautiful high-res photos of nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:17   attached to every single article in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   RSS feed I don't know what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   show for typical RSS feeds that are text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   only or have ugly images but anyway like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:25   how will you know that's the RSS reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   without reading the text it's not iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   you can't pick it out quickly now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   really hammered on this point this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   quote from the thing icons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:35   yesterday's ways of representing apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   they were constantly slamming Apple iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   and iOS s I think they should gives us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   their competitor right you know go after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:42   the big dog right but they were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   named them they would never say an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   never say iOS never say iPhone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   would just make Illusionist no but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49   all know who they're talking about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   icons are yesterday's way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   representing apps they're antiquities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   are all quotes they're antiquated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:55   they're not alive they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   interesting they're not helpful well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   yesterday's way of quoting apps is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   just like sigh we're the future they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:03   the past fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:03   they're antiquated again they're old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   they're not alive that's true they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   usually not moving around unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   have the little shaky icon mode on right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:10   they're not interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   probably they're not interesting like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   mean it gets interns I hate my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   interesting they're not helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   I would draw the line there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   definitely helpful you know and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:19   easily identifiable and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   change appearance without you knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   that they're changing appearance I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   give you update an app you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:25   doing that on your own right so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   another quote the best tiles is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   they call little squares the best tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:31   are live with activity and they draw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   in I don't really want things in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   interface to be alive with activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   right it's movement draws the eye the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   old lizard brain avoid the saber-toothed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   tiger predator prey thing movement you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:47   can't help it movement draws your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   it affects even you can you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:52   it's just a physiological fact of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   and I usually don't want my eye draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:57   until I go that little tiles change you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   know this tiles changing oh that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   it I don't want my interface to be quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   alive with activity now whether it's raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   inner I bet I better draw you in in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   store display store displays always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:08   the you know it come over here look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   this I mean Apple store demos are filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   with motion they they show those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12   videos on the on the devices to draw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:15   and as I come look at this iPad look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:16   this movie people moving around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   happy people smiling and you know but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   day to day use I really don't want my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   interface to be alive with activity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   should preface all this by saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   is just from looking at a video I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:29   no idea how it's going to be in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   life but looking at the video these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   the thoughts that are occurring to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:32   it's this kind of stream of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33   consciousness type of thing but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   sorry but I don't think that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:37   condemning this interface without ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:38   having used it I'm just going on what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   have I haven't used it I haven't gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   to use it I'm just trying to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   how this is going to work out in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:44   life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   so one of the points the other points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   they made is that these these animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   are constantly summoning people back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   into your app when something new happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   and they give a bunch of examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:54   what this animation can do can remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:59   you of something that's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:00   happen like like maybe supposed to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   appointment ever can draw you in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   being interested in going to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05   application you can show you what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   coming up next like scheduling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   application it can show you stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:08   happened while you're away oh oh all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:12   sorts of things like that reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:13   you'd want your child to be alive with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:16   activity and interesting now some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   these have good points about an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   application is not running giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   information so you don't have to launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   it you can just look at the tile like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:24   the weather app you have the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:25   the weather app what if it shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:26   little sunny rainy thing and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   temperatures and a three-day forecast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   right on the top you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30   launch it and this is a big complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:31   with like the pre iOS 5 lock screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   where you didn't have any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:34   information there except for the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:35   and maybe a notification or two um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:39   the fact that all you can do is bad your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   icons show that hey to think new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   happen but you don't know if this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:44   new email from someone important or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:45   just in your spam stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   there are very useful innovations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   tile concept but this this push to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54   alive with activity and just the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   they showed are currently cycling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:57   through these seven pictures of models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   or pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   or pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   love things that's not useful that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   that's distracting that's I guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   good for a demo but I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   that on my tablet I rather have it stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:09   updating with interesting information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:10   not scrolling this across they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   anime like the pictures don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   change they like fade from one to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   other scroll up words like blinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   changing or whatever I bet you like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:20   elk our center face a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:21   the water L cars interface L cars yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:25   like Star Trek I don't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   that it's a you you're way beyond my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   Star Trek knowledge I am NOT I'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   Star Trek nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:32   I know think I know the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   talking about them with the belt those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35   sort of like solid lines with making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   curved rectangle little skinny fonts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   yeah so another point that was made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:43   about these tiles is it they are single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:45   hit targets it's not like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   interact they're not like little apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48   like you know when you go to dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49   you have a widget and there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   controls on it and buttons and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52   and you can fiddle with them even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   these tiles are filled with stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:56   animating and have lots of text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   other stuff there's just one hit target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   there you put your finger on and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   whole thing is selected you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:03   interact with it in tile form so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   trying to keep things simple and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   site you can look at it but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:08   interactive you have to punch the app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   do something with it now all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:15   sort of making iOS look old not looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:19   like a computer stuff is most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:23   interesting because lurking underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   all that stuff is the Windows desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   occasionally they pull away the covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   you're like oh my god what is that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:31   and that was the question I actually had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   is it is it beneath it or is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   separate ad that gets launched it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   semantics of you know is it always gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   it well I mean you define it the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   point that I think is that it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   always running like that environment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   not always running right all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   when it is running is it is underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   on top of blob was just you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   the same Windows kernel that's running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   everything it's just you know there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   very few processes in this Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:57   environment is one of them so the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:01   I make aesthetically is when they when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:02   they pull back that curtain and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   show the hideous underbelly of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:08   like they were showing all this nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09   stuff where everything is aligned all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10   the text base lines are line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   and all the the graphics are beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14   and the typography is beautiful and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17   animations and everything is smooth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   evenly spaced out and then they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   jump back for a second to show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:22   here's where you're going to build your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:23   apps this is Visual Studio right and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   shows Visual Studio is like an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   dialog box and it like your back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   world where everything is poorly spaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:30   all that the fonts are tiny and skinny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:33   and invisible and just the controls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   ugly and this gradients everywhere just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   the spacing alone it just kills me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:38   you look at a window screenshot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   controls and the white space around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:41   is just like arbitrary it's like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   puked a bunch of controls onto your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:44   screen certainly visual studios like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   that too you know that's it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   contrast between that world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   Microsoft was like mad make sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:52   controls are there make sure you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   this and I don't care if that graphic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   from ten years ago and it's 16 colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   and throw a grating on that yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   looks nice that's all the people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:00   gradients now maybe reflection you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   it blurry and transparent anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   just throw it all on there that world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   so different from this Metro world yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   and it's such a contrast when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:09   them on the same device and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   I couldn't tell if the guy was disgusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   to have to show Visual Studio since like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:17   he was like gung-ho for like I'm mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   Metro he was very enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   Metro and the way things should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:22   uh he seems like he would fit right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   an apple yeah right yeah then he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   show that other thing that's underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   there ah now he was showing Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:31   Studio pieces like here's when you build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:32   a metro wrap check this out look this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   what you start with you start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:35   template a template has a bunch of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   laid out with you and all your text base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:38   lines already aligned this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   title of your app goes and you know air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   your margins and so and so forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:45   obviously like I mean Xcode has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   templates to it templates are like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   help you get started it's not as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:50   you're locked into doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:51   according this template this is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:52   to give you a leg up but when I see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   I have to think like oh is that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   going to be kind of constraining for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   people or like because is your choice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   use one of these templates or just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   all on your own and make a crappy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:03   so when I see templates I'm like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   that mean is going to be a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:06   cookie cutter applications all using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   this template that all look exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   same except for the content of the tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   you know text to your image here a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:12   of tiles you swipe back and forth on is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   that going to be it that it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:19   think that whoever came up with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   these templates and they sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   don't have to do it we can do it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24   understands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:25   Microsoft's historical weakness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:28   their developers make crappy apps I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   not bad like you know they're not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   from a perspective of an Apple person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   like that they're not they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36   the Apple attention to detail they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   if they don't have the Metro attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:39   to detail basically like all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:40   things this philosophy of Metro and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   terms of design aesthetic and adherence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:46   to a particular system for the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:48   things should look and behave is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   very app alike and historically Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   applications have not been like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:54   developers can do whatever the hell they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:55   want and they do and it seemed like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   of the developers who really cared about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3898">TS</a>]

01:04:59   every single pixel of their applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   we're not on Windows they were on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   Mac platform or you know some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   platform where that for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   draws those type of people to that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   Metro even if Metro was like the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:16   thing ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:17   Microsoft faces the challenge of either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   taking their current stable developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   and changing their value system the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:23   way Microsoft seems to have changed its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:25   value system or at least within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   Metro team Microsoft volume is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   different from Metro than for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   of Windows they have to either get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:32   existing developers at this conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   to change their value system to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35   more like Apple developers sweating over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   every pixel like you know panic or icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   factory or something or they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:43   recruit new developers from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:44   platforms who already have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:45   philosophy and attract them to theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   and I think Metro being so interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:50   and different and so designer II will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:54   help them attract the new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:55   maybe the templates and all of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:58   no you don't have to do it for you whoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3958">TS</a>]

01:05:59   here here's a template here's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   just you just give us the image you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   just a lot about interface and metros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:03   like that you give us an image you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:04   us the text we will lay it out for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   it's like we don't trust you to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:08   this box and lay out your content in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   hours for example interface builder on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   the Mac you can just drag out a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   drag out it now those guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:15   snapping to the aqwal grid guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   but Apple is more or less trusting Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:19   developers to make pleasing dialog box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   which can be difficult very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   relay all those controls so they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   know easy to find easy to scan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:26   visually appealing the guides help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:29   you could even get more the guys you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:30   all seen Mac apps that have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32   poorly laid out dialogue boxing like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34   geez who made this thing but by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:35   large the best Mac apps are not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38   and the best windows apps even the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:41   made by Microsoft are still like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:42   pretty crappy so hmm I had a slide near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   the end which was Metro design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46   principles and the number one Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   design principle which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:49   very revealing in but and goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:52   we're just talking about the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   Metro design principle it's pride in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   craftsmanship hmm the fact that's number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   one I would have been insulted if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:01   in that audience like what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:02   trying to say you trying to say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:03   making Windows app sooner is making crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:04   we don't care what we make we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:05   pride no craftsmanship we just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:06   make the you know fill in the form bla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   bla bla hit the button and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10   works that was their number one can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:13   imagine Apple going to WWC and say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:17   number one principle Mac OS 10 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   we're telling you developers when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:20   make your apps have this in mind is have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22   pride in what you do yeah I can craft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:24   JIT everyone in WEC thinks they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   making the best app in the world they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   gonna kill themselves to try to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:29   the best app normal that's a great point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:30   maybe less so with like iOS apps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33   know with big game companies sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   some random team to make it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:36   historically speaking pride and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   craftsmanship has not been the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:39   on the Mac platform sir is platform well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:44   more than iOS that is led in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:45   since it's been the gold rush there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   lack of pride of gratitude from a crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:48   absent in the iOS store like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   churning out 50 applications bogus fraud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:53   applications or just you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:54   have something on iOS that is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:57   lowered the pride in craftsmanship but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   those aren't like those are outsiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:00   you know from the respect that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:03   someone who's been this in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:04   community for a long time is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:05   Mac developers and the next developer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:07   definitely a pride in craftsmanship in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:08   iOS just because it's been so successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   as as attracted the other people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:13   Microsoft is talking to it's humungous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:15   installed base of Windows developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   saying have pride in craftsmanship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   the other ones were be fast and fluid do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   more with less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:22   and a bunch of other stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   the pride and craftsmanship really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   me you know who's got a lot of pride and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   craftsmanship for real I bet your family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4108">TS</a>]

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01:08:34   hosted ecommerce platform you can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   advantage of Shopify thriving theme and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   application community which is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   crafts on a ship lets you add depth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:44   beauty to your site you can customize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   your own storefront using HTML and CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:47   JavaScript if you like but no Perl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51   and for a limited time usually they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   have this thing where it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:54   month for free and I said listen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:57   one month that's not special and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   who cares about one month I want three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   months and I want all of my listeners to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   get three months and they said there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   no way we can do three months can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   it we could do we do 40 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   I said that's forget it you know get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   of here I don't care it we're done we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   done here and I got up from the table I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:18   walked out and they ran after they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:19   fine fine we will do three months free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:23   for your listeners they have to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   special code though I said fine what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   the code and they said five by five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   I looked at them and I stuck out my ant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:32   I said let's make it let's make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   reality right now and they said you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:36   it Shopify com code is five by five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:40   three months free you should add it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   apart but they had to go to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   manager I got that's my man I could ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   my and they go back no that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   went down I'm not gonna lie all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:49   yeah okay your story all right that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:55   much more than Windows 8 stuff let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   ask you this let me let me cut to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   chase here I'm not gonna skip to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:01   I'm gonna say over another show you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:02   no god no that's please please do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   right good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:05   what's the verdict here on this do do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:09   you do you think Windows 8 Metro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:13   going to make any Mac users say well I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:19   guess I can finally go back to Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   now I mean what how does this affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:24   Windows in general not from mainly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   sounds like what you've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:27   about as a developer standpoint because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   obviously that's that's what you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   certainly I and probably our audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   are interested in but is this going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   revitalize because look look at what Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   os10 did maybe not 10 dot oh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:40   certainly subsequent versions and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   10 dotto to look at what Mac OS 10 did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:46   for Apple is this Metro going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   for Windows for the PC platform do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:52   think because think about this Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:55   isn't just competing with Mac OS 10 its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:58   competing with older versions of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00   and it's also competing with things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   Linux and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:03   everything else that's out there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:05   what is this going to do is is this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   Microsoft has been waiting for and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:09   will add a rider question on to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:13   question which is why not just call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   Metro when there are no more windows as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:18   asked by John Gruber go alright so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:23   impression I get from the Apple thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:27   the Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:28   is not so much that Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:32   revitalized or broad new people to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:35   Mac platform it's a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   in that what what Matt goes tempered did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   first of all was it brought the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:40   people to the Mac platform there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   next people there was Mac people and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:43   Mac people were small in the next people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   were vanishingly small and it brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:47   those two groups together but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:51   makeup of those two groups was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:52   similar those are the people who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:54   obsessive pride and craftsmanship the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   Mac people were very already the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:57   next people were kind of technical but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:00   the reason they were using these really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   low market share obscure platforms is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05   because the particular technical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:06   artistic attributes of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   attractive enough that they were willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:10   to forego you know developing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12   Windows developing for the big platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   where they could make way more money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   you know so that was the content of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   Mac and next communities before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:20   advent of Mac OS 10 and those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   were trying to make good apps they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   trying to make good next apps and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   Mac people were trying to make good Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   apps and they they were but it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   of like toiling in obscurity right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   when Mac os10 came along and Apple found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:36   a way to start selling its hardware to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:37   more people and you know to get out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   reverse the PR death spiral that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:43   company was in and the financial death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:44   spiral which triggered the PR does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46   Fowler to make it so that you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47   Apple they still in business changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:48   that to be hey Apple have you seen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   new Apple Computer the iMac it's blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   you know they that reversal so getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:56   people in the door to buy Macs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:58   trying to you know make the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   viable make it successful and grow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   platform at the same time as combining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   the tiny little pool of next people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   the slightly less tiny pool of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:08   developers suddenly those guys had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:11   bigger audience and lo and behold you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:14   know like when the users came along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:16   say look at all these great apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:18   this for this platform that I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:19   heard of before on this this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   nice-looking app I like this like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:22   FTP app this transmit thing this is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   nicer than whenever I was using on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:25   Windows how did this thing get here well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   those guys were already there they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:28   making that app before you even heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:30   the iMac before the iMac even existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:31   before you idiot when you thought apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   out of business they were making apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   you know uh so it kind of gave the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:40   that the Apple Mac next team and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   eventually the iOS did the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   gave that team someplace to to sell its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:48   wares but we already have the team like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   same thing when iOS came along it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52   like alright anybody who was really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55   mac toolbox and couldn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56   transition to cocoa has pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:57   faded out by now so it's just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   cocoa guys and we're gonna do iOS which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   is very cocoa like and UI kid is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:03   much like app kit but a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:04   better and we shaved off the edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:05   it's made by the same guys who learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:06   lessons of app kit and you guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   familiar with that stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:10   tools you know the language here's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   mobile platform go same team even bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:15   audience and and people love now we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   this other developer base of like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:19   the audience gets to a certain size then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:20   the people making the crap app start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   coming out you know the game cheap code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   keyword spamming piece of crap crashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:27   thing you know the hundred thousand apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   in the App Store 100 million or having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:30   me I don't even know how many there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:31   now so much of those are crap just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:33   because so much of everything is crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:34   but the good ones are really good now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:37   Microsoft one team it's got a team two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:40   it's got a humongous team it's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   guys who make Windows software that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:43   their team right that's I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:46   that team is ready to make apps to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:51   Metro apps the quality that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53   wants them to because if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:54   they'd be making much better Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   apps in there now I'm sure there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   great Windows apps out there too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00   like even the very best of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   Windows apps maybe they're held back by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   the toolkit maybe it's just that Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   controls and the tools that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:08   given it's just like they can't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:09   the system phone system pause a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:11   bit too small and the official spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:13   is a little bit tight and where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:14   buttons are supposed to go and the per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:15   the prevalence of Wizards I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   what's making Windows apps crappy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   the perspective of a Mac user and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   confusing and less pleasing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24   respect of a regular consumer then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   know an iPad app or an iOS app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:29   maybe maybe you give that team this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:32   toolkit maybe they do make great apps I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:33   don't know but the Mac guys had a crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:36   toolkit when they were doing classic Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:37   OS like that thing it was way past its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39   sell-by date they were still making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   great apps with those horrible tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:43   you know Metro work just like a breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   of fresh air for them using like right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   yeah yeah MPW Macintosh programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:50   workshop and mr. C and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:53   they were still able to make great apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   that we all loved even given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:58   horrible environment so I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   the team Microsoft's got is up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   challenge of making the apps that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:03   want so that leaves you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:06   fine so pull somebody else pull some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:07   other team now Apple benefit greatly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09   getting the next team both internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:10   the people who work for next became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   Apple people who ran the show basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   from then on technically and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:17   next developers you know you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19   develop applications and became the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:20   great Mac and the great iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:22   Microsoft didn't acquire anybody who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:25   a little stable of great developers as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27   far as I know maybe like maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   danger guys I think that whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:30   went bad with holes Kim I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   those guys are still there but then out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:35   in the third-party world like had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:36   acquired any other community of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:37   developers I don't think so so they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41   to they have to poach they have to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   mean they have to pull Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:45   you know pull iOS developers it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:48   great if they could do that ah do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   want a plan droid developers maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:53   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:53   maybe what they're looking for is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   beautiful minimal interface according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   a strict set of standards that are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   limited maybe they don't maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:05   don't want those guys so that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:09   that I think is their met their first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:10   the second challenge second challenge is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:13   how the hell we going to get people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:16   make the apps that we want because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:17   they're pushing hard they know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:18   want they know the kayaks they want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   they're they're really hoping that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   community developers all those guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:23   the audience they will do it for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:24   and if they can't do that they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:25   start poaching at their first challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   number one or maybe number zero is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:30   have to execute in ship this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   I don't know what the schedule thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:33   like a year from now these are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   gonna be ready they got the execute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:36   execute execute and ship ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   execute and update don't do what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:39   did with Windows Phone which was ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40   and then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:41   promise you're gonna have an updated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   copy-and-paste and like do nothing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   months and months and months they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   to get it done get it bug free and ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:49   it and then ship the next version then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   ship the next version ship the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:52   review they have to do you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:54   do the Apple thing they have to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   execute so assuming the execute then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58   their second challenge like I said is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4678">TS</a>]

01:17:59   get developers get people to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:02   great apps can they poach from the B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:07   world of iOS and Mac developers I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   they have a legitimate shot I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   Mac developer or an iOS developer will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:16   be more inclined to say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:19   I'm going to try another version of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   app and actually I'm going to make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:22   Windows 8 version I have been resisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   import to Android but I'm going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:25   I'm going to try that like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:28   thought of this one I should with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:29   slide of saying we didn't give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:31   getting contracts we will do the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:32   row but about the contracts thing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35   other type of things you can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   doing in Windows 8 huh you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:39   what kind of applications might use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:40   feature XY and Z and one of the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   that listed was read it later services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:43   and I thought of Marco who is thus far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:45   not wanted to do an Android version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   that app maybe he'd be more inclined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:53   do some sort of Windows 8 integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:56   for Instapaper than he would for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   just because the tools are better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   the platform owner is more friendly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:03   it's not it's like kind of desktop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05   know it's kind of this weird hybrid 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   interface you're not doing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   phone you're doing in a larger thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:09   like basically also you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12   more interesting than Android because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:13   it's not just a pale imitation of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   Apple's doing and potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:18   potentially there's a big base out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   bigger than entry view if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:22   Microsoft can convert its entire desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:24   PC base to running Windows 8 suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:27   this work that you're done can run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:28   every PC in the world basically except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:29   for Mac's right and by the way also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:32   tablets stuff like that so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:35   have a legitimate shot of pulling some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:39   people over now what those people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:40   experience is like like oh so we decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   to make Windows 8 port and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   horrible experience because the tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   are bad or the whole thing was buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:46   that's not good or we decide to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:47   Windows 8 port but it was pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   because Microsoft could not sell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   they couldn't get people upgrade from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   Windows 7 they couldn't get people off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:53   xp they couldn't sell on all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:54   device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   running away whatever the problem was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:56   like they once they pull those two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58   three or four guys over maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59   throw a little money there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00   whatever that's to do they have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03   that experience beneficial like we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   an Android port it was a big hassle we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   got nothing we did a Windows 8 port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   it was a much nicer experience and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   seen some financial reward from it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:12   was a fun experience or I like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   result I think it's cooler I've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:15   metro tablet and it's it's fun for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   use and I like it I never launched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:19   Windows desktop part of it you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:22   forget at this point I forgotten my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:25   original question was but I hope I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:26   answered it well I think he did I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   he more than did um Oh interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:32   see where they go with this I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:34   it's a year away though right nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36   months or is it a year yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:38   that's just like says the Microsoft way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:39   they're showing up early I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:42   they had to because otherwise you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   everyone had written Microsoft off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:45   already and this gave them new life uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   hopefully we don't forget about them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:50   year and hopefully they'll keep the yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:51   the flow of PR going to say yeah no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:54   we're really doing this it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55   gonna ship having done it have they done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:56   that before come out with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:57   announced it and then sort of forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   about it not ship that they've done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:00   with some no I'm lighting sorry I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   the public forgetting about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04   they're not in our face reminding us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:06   that they're gonna do this thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:07   sometimes margasoft is also done in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:08   face yeah the slates stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   like they shop about it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:11   realize it was going nowhere but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   this is too Jake this is me this is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   Windows 8 like Windows 7 they were kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   of in our face about like here's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:18   windows like in Windows 8 is this is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   bigger than Windows 7 so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   will keep reminding us they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   do it and then they had to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   early because if they didn't say either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   way till the end of this year to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   they just did now we'd be like God too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   little too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:31   yeah I mean it may already be too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   in terms of the tablet market we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:34   but this Microsoft style sure show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:38   early and you know do what you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   to get people excited about it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:43   have way more Windows 8 stuff so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   who do not want to hear more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:46   Windows 8 the next show also probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:49   you know the Reno topic of the show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51   going to be what ails Microsoft maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:52   I'll get to that at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   Windows eight stuff so this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:55   be a little run of Microsoft stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   know people didn't like it when I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   two or three shows in a row about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4918">TS</a>]

01:21:59   programming this is going to be two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   three shows in a row talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02   Microsoft because this is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   can't wait for that the most interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   thing happening in this this space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08   right now I think that's it though and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:14   so for today I think I'll wrap it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:17   yeah well you can follow John on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:22   just as simple it's simple to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24   it's just siracusa si RAC USA there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:30   Z in that I am Dan Benjamin on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:34   can read a lot of John's writing over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:38   Ars Technica your best stuff is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:40   really I think my only stuff practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:46   well let's up a Macworld to a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:49   our obscure things don't downplay that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:50   hmm sometimes John it can be heard on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:53   other podcasts such as the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:56   or incomparable as you say which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4976">TS</a>]

01:23:00   great show a lot of fun you can be heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:03   over there with Jason Snell and a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   bunch of other excellent Mac nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   that's about it sir q saw on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:11   nosey and and that's it if you like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:14   show please consider going to iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   signing in and rating it that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   really the best way to keep it a kick in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   very much the same way that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   hoping that Microsoft will do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24   great here and and they are hoping we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   pay attention by keeping it in on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   radar you can go to iTunes and keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:32   show on the radar by your rating it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:35   great that you rated it before thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:38   if you haven't rated it shame on you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:39   please go down and write it also what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   would suggest is so I obsessively read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:43   the reviews if you don't want a writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:44   review whatever but there's these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:47   buttons next to every review that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:48   there was this review helpful yes no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   there's kind of a self-fulfilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   prophecy effect where after two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   people like when there was like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   reviews someone came in and clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:57   they read the three reviews and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   them was like the review they liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:01   so they clicked this was helpful yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:02   it'd be helpful yes that was bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   phrasing what really is do you agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:05   with this review yes no so if it's a if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   it's a bad review and you think the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:08   is bad you say you agree in vice-versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:11   so the first few reviews up there a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   of people not a lot of people like 10 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:16   15 people clicked on the you know yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:17   this review was helpful that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   the number one review but it's sorted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   which is most helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22   that's been the number one review since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:24   the inception of the show and it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:25   had like 10 or 15 clicks so there are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   don't know how many reviews maybe 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:29   200 something like that but the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   one review has ten of the this has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33   most helpful link so if we just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   go through the routine Osborne who else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   is motivated to read the views except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:37   for the people on the show but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:40   be nice I thought I thought to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:41   churn in terms of what the top reviewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/5081">TS</a>]

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