Hypercritical

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00:00:00 ◼   ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► the world of Apple related technologies [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► in business is nothing is so perfect [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► it cannot be complained about by a host [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► of the show John siracusa I'm Dan [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► Benjamin this is episode number 34 like [TS]

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00:00:44 ◼   ► goes on how're you doing this week John [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► siracusa I'm pretty good fair yeah not [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► great this week busy exciting week we [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► exciting for for the Windows users among [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► us I'm excited I'm not a Windows user [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► and I'm excited excited to become to [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► become a Windows user perhaps not really [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► but I'm excited about the events of the [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► week like what what besides Windows 8 or [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► the big events when Metro but that's [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► basically that's it the events of the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► week is matter we'll talk about that but [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► I do have to burn through some follow up [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► here ok burn it out try to do some [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► lightning fast corrections lightning [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► round [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► take it on last week we actually be like [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► lightning ful of you Oh [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► lfyou is an acronym used for something [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► already [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► ok an abbreviation sorry so oh we get it [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► as good go into the difference between [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► an acronym and an abbreviation later if [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that could be a follow up for next week [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► people can look it up in the dictionary [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► and tell me I'm wrong [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► so we talked about markdown a little bit [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► last week and as I was listening to the [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► show as I always do after I record it I [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► realized that every time I was talking [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► about markdown I'm giving like examples [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► of how what markdown is like and I [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► reversed the the meaning I was like all [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you put like a little asterisks around [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► the word and we'll make it bold and you [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► know and underscores we'll make it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► italic my how mark 10 works no no one [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► sent me a correction for this but the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► second I heard it I realized it was [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► asterisks make it italic single [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► underscores make it italic and [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► wander scores make it bold so not that [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► detail was particularly important but I [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► was constantly getting it wrong in that [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► whole show maybe you're thinking you [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► were thinking of textile that's why I [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► was probably thinking of as a friend of [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► mine pointed out I made a couple of [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► little UNIX utilities back in the day [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► for sending plain text messages to lists [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► and then I had it interpret plain text [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► messages and dude like the vt100 escape [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► codes to make like bold text and [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► underlining and stuff and in my little [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► thing when there were stars around a [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► word i omitted the vt100 codes for bold [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► text so I was thinking back to my [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► misspent youth and how I interpreted the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► commonly used emphasis characters in [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► plain ASCII communication i someone in [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the chat room says double asterisk not [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► around and make it bold but anyway [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► though for those relying on that last [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► podcast for actual detailed information [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► on how markdown works don't I put the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► link to these actual markdown syntax [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► documentation in the show notes so let [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► me ask you a question then shouldn't [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► your general lack of familiarity with [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► markdown and its usage imply that your [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► opinion maybe should be called into [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► question because you're not really [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► familiar with it you haven't maybe given [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► it a chance you haven't given it a fair [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► chance [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► it's like saying oh I don't I don't like [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► f-16s oh well why not well they have [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► this wrong with them and this wrong that [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► we'll have you ever flown an f-16 [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► - no I don't like it i I've I've used it [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► plenty but I guess in my writing I don't [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► make words bold or italic and often you [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► just we'll see about indecision and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► again I knew which was which I just for [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► whatever reason I misspoke repeatedly [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► during the show like I said well soon as [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► I listen to it I said that's not how you [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► make things I feel like so right yeah [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and no one sent that in so it must not [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► have been that important so I think I do [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► I am familiar enough with markdown to [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► have a reasonable opinion on it okay I [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► will grant you that and I will also say [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► that maybe our audiences so become so [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► trusting of you now they were all asleep [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► come on that they no longer another [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► question question if siracusa says so it [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► must be true now they were all asleep [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► all right so the next one we talked [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► about a languages with specks I think [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► it's part of that same episode I was [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► mentioning that Perl ray doesn't have a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► language spec and I didn't know if pie [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► did someone sent in the Python reference [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► and we're talking about spec versus [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► reference blah blah right and they said [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► whether somebody else said the pointing [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► out that the Ruby one is I guess under [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► development right so this is this Ruby [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► spec project is a project to write an [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► executable specification for the Ruby [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► programming language so that that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► apparently is underway although you [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► noted what an executable specification [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► is I guess it's more kind of like the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► Perl six test suite I'm not sure but [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► anyway I put the link in the show notes [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► so if people are interested in the state [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► of spec development for Ruby they can [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► follow that I think it's Ruby spec [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► torgue the MIT course that I talked [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► about when you went off on some weird [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► side rail about robot competitions I [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► don't even remember what prompted that [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► I'm talking about robots yeah maybe that [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► the name of that course is 6.2 seven [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► zero its MIT is autonomous robot design [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► competition and I put a link to that in [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► the show notes I also put it in last [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► week's show so if you're interested in [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► what that is I was trying to find the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► old Nova episode from like the late 80s [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that showed the particular competition [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► that I saw and I couldn't find video it [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► online but they do list all the old [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► competitions on their website that I [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► liked and one this is a way back one at [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► one point I was talking about was I've [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► got battery life or not I was banned [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► bandwidth usage you asked me if Sprint [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► unlimited bandwidth would be a motivator [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► for me to go to sprint and I was [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► mentioning how I and I bought the 3G [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► from my iPad I picked the middle plan [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► due to anchoring and all that business [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► uh but I didn't even come close to using [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► the bandwidth whatever was to gigs I [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► didn't even come close to it and I said [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► and I was using it all day and I even [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► watch from television shows and I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► mentioned that I watched Game of Thrones [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► i netflix and of course they didn't [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► watch Game of Thrones on netbooks [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► because Netflix doesn't care Game of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Thrones is usually easy and you just [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► want to see are we really paying [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► attention yeah well no I see I hear them [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► when I listen to the episode I'm like [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► what that makes no sense but when I'm [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► talking I guess comes out too fast me to [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► think but anyway Game of Thrones was on [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the HBO go iPad app which you have to be [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► a subscriber to HBO I believe to view [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► I'm always frustrated by that app is I [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► can never remember what the hell my [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► login well actually not to correct you [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► it's not as simple as being a subscriber [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► to HBO you have to be an HBO subscriber [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► on the appropriate through the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► appropriate cable provider really yes [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and many of you have HBO through RCN or [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► some other thing [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► can't get it right or for example if [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► you're here in the great state of Texas [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► you would like to do that and you can't [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► because most of us here are Time Warner [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► Cable people we want my people but we [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► you we're getting our HBO through Time [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► Warner Cable and Time Warner Cable has [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► not come to any kind of agreement with [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► HBO and what that means is that we do [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► not have the luxury of being able to use [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► this wonderful app that the whole rest [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► of the world uses and loves and benefits [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► from we can't use it because Time Warner [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► Cable and HBO they won't you know they [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► won't sit in the same row together so we [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► don't get to use it let's do but it is [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► stupid and even when you can use it I'm [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► constantly trying to figure out and [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► remember how do I log into this app to [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► convince it that I am actually a serrata [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► subscriber to HBO through Verizon FiOS [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► blah blah blah because there's some [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► connection to your verizon account right [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► I can never remember what my login and [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► password isn't I get the impression that [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► two different logins and passwords to [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► possibly work it's a frustrating [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► application alright so those are my [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► quick follow-ups and then I have a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► slightly longer follow-up that I still [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► want to get through and enough time so [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► we can talk about Windows 8 this is a [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► follow up to something you were talking [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► about on the talk show yesterday I [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► believe talking about before yes we have [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► a lot to talk about about that but [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► before we do I just want to say John [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► Gruber for those who don't listen to the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► talk show jumping back to your markdown [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► thing this is in my notes here John [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► Gruber would whether or not he will have [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► a thorough response or not we don't know [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► but he is going to be listening to last [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► week's episode of hyper critical to [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► listen to your comments about markdown [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► and he may in typical Gruber fashion so [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► yeah well his news right and that might [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► be his response or he may have a long [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► thing so I would recommend that those [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► who are interested in furthering [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► discussion of markdown probably to wear [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► to its end point will listen to next [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► week's episode of the top show so that's [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► the strategy now I just mentioned [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► markdown in every show it's an Emmy [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► convinced Gruber tool actually listen to [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► them alright I think that's probably the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► only way we can get him to listen to a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► show would be to talk about something [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► that he's known for him and has done [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► probably I talk about him all the time [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► that doesn't make him listen anyway [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► now we have the Douglas star wear it [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► Star Wars yeah ah he talked about and [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► well first of all I could not believe [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► that he didn't know about the whole [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Return of the Jedi [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► no insertion I didn't know about it [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► either I'll get one Internet are you [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► people using not currently the wrong one [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► my wife knew about this last week [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► seriously you guys are behind well I [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► think we're counting on you two to bring [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► us a whole Star Wars nerd ISM there oh [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► I'm like I'm not I'm not reading movie [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► websites every day but it just it [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► pirkled up percolates whatever comes up [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and I don't know how I not even know [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► where I read it but everybody knew man I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► mean I I feel terrible yeah so so you [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► discuss that a lot and my favorite thing [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► about that show was that one of you I [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► forget which one was made worse in the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► chatroom link to the amazon.com review [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► for the ants that was me blu-ray [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► complete collection did you write that [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you know 1129 reviews 829 of which are 1 [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► stock right 70 something percent are 1 [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► star reviews for this quote-unquote [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► beloved movie wipe Israel hate George [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► Lucas now it's great to see that because [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I always think it's like I was just this [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► angry Star Wars nerds the only people [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► who care but the mass of humanity loves [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► it so I expected to go there and see how [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► Star Wars blu-ray 5 stars everyone loves [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► Star Wars but at this point I mean that [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► seems like a high number of me it's not [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► just Star Wars nerds going out of the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► way to rate this badly and all right I [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► don't know maybe this hard to tell so [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► way back on hypercritical episode 13 I [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► talked about I again I don't how's the [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► topic came up but I talked about how [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► easy it would be for George Lucas to [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► find like the very best technicians and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► artists who work for free to produce a [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► digital clean version of the original [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► trilogy without modification because [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► like the most talented people in the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► entire industry would work so hard for [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► him for free yeah do and do better work [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► than they do for their paid work because [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► it would be a labor of love to simply [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► preserve the original trilogy as it [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► existed when it was shown in theaters [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► you know maybe clean it up a little bit [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► for that set but the content would [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► remain unchanged right and I linked to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► that secret history of Star Wars the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► thing about saving Star Wars I'll link [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► to it again in this show notes about the [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► state of the actual film negatives for [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the original Star [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► was like the fact that the cutting [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► pieces out of them to use in the new [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► things and Lucas's bogus claims about [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► how the original negatives are gone [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► mm-hmm all sorts of stuff like that so [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► people should read that link again in [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► the show unto the demon already uh and I [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► think we're never asking Gruber was [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► saying wha [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that he's not gonna buy this one that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► he's given that guy enough money's got [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► 50 cuz I had I had asked him if he was [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► going to be getting the the blu-ray [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► version of of all of the Star Wars [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► because that's it there that's what this [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► is all about is that you can go to your [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► favorite store or ordered on Amazon that [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► all of the movies all of the Star Wars [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► movies are being released on blu-ray [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► episodes all of them all the new all the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► old everything yeah they do actually [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► sell a separate one with just the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► prequels I think in a separate one with [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► just the real movies okay I don't know I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► don't know what anyone would buy the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► Complete Saga because no one should ever [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► have the prequels in their house if they [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► can help it yeah yeah [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► so and he said he wasn't gonna buy see [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► already at 50 million copies now I have [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► many copies as well we got VHS copies a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► couple of different VHS copies one of [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► which i think is even actually the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► special edition and I do have the DVD [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► versions of the original trilogy also [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► but I also have like a DVD transfer of [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the laserdisc version which is the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► unadulterated non special edition thing [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► but it's only DVD quality so these are [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► all standard def and the whole reason [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► Star Wars blu-rays are big deals because [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► it's the first time they'll be [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► officially available high-definition [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► version of the Star Wars movies as far [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► as I know I think there's never been any [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► official high debt versions of the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► movies released good they look really [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► good visually and that's what people [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► initially would think weakly oh it's [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► gonna be all array it's gonna be Star [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► Wars when they did that the DVDs I [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► remember looking at them and thinking [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► that for example Darth Vader's [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► lightsaber look too pink to me like that [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I remembered it being redder and they [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► supposedly had cleaned them up and colic [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► right ebay ignored like in scenes didn't [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► have any additions than no Digital [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Editions I don't know that just like it [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► looked different to me and there's lots [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► of scholarly research on the web where [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► you can find people showing scenes with [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► different color balances through many [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► different versions people arguing over [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► what it should look like how it was [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► projected or whether when it was [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► projected it look different because the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► projector was set up badly or whatever [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► so we're I'm going to come down this is [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► that I may buy the original trilogy on [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► blu-ray for one reason and that reason [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► is Empire Strikes Back which is one of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► my favorite movies of all times and [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► crucially the least adulterated of the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► original trilogy films certainly now [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► with the stupid no and Return of the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Jedi as far as I know that have not been [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► any additional crap Lucas isms added to [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► Empire Strikes Back and the things added [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► thus far have been smaller not lots of [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like plot altering sacrilegious content [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► crap like you know Rito shooting first [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► that business so that totally destroys a [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► new hope right and those stupid [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► dinosaurs jumping all over the place [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► which grazetti didn't mind but I [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► certainly do mine the knee replacement [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► of the ghost at the end of Return our [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► Jedi would that with Hayden Christensen [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► yeah that Return of the Jedi hundreds [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► more fathers do thing now it becomes [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► unwatchable you can't even watch that so [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► what about the Ewoks who blink and you [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► can hear them blinking yeah like that I [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► mean I think content changers are more [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► egregious in elements so both Return of [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the Jedi and a new hope have these [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► horrible content changes and Empire [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► Strikes Back as far as I know it was the [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► least adulterated before and as far as I [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► know in the blu-ray it continues to be [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► the least adulterated without any stupid [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► content changes so what it will give me [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► is a much higher quality version of [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► Empire Strikes Back that I will actually [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► deign to watch even though it is not [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► 100% pure like they painted in all the [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► windows in the Cloud City and they have [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► a new sequence where you fly through the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► cloud city before the money falcon lands [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► and stuff like that sticks out and it's [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► annoying and I could do without it oh [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► the stupid scene with Darth Vader taking [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► his shuttle from Cloud City back to the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► Star Destroyer as if we didn't know how [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► he got there before now that explains it [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► I did it before I was so confused when [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► it appeared on the Stars bro right get [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► there I have no idea so stuff like that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► I mean it's stupid but it's nothing [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► close to yeah you know Greedo shooting [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► first or or the the stupid ghost [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► replacement or the no with Chuck and [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► amber over so that's why I think I may [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► find myself in possession of an empire [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► strikes back [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► a blu-ray at some point mm-hmm certainly [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► not the prequels and the other two yeah [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► so one last thing on this a friend of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► mine were talking about this online and [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► he did a blog post recently about it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► with the great title bad motive [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► and it's about George Lucas copyright [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► and all that other business I put a link [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► to it in the show notes his main point [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► his larger point aside from you know [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► Lucas tweaking these films and doing his [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► horrible mistakes and stuff is that [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► copyright is way too long I would [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► basically have a eternal copyright in [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► this country because of the various [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► Mickey Mouse clauses every time Disney's [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► properties come up for a cop to to go [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► into the public domain [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► Disney lobbies Congress and they extend [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► copyright longer so even though [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► copyright is supposed to be for quote [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► unquote a limited time every time that [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► limit is about to be reached [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► they just extended farther so copyright [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► is ridiculously long and my friend his [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► name is John McCoy his point was that if [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► the if the original Star Wars films had [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► been released under the original 17-year [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► term of copyright I don't remember what [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► that term is from is that the original [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► term in the first instance of copyright [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► law I don't I didn't look it up but you [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► can but anyway I trust his his research [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► here if it had been released under that [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► thing we wouldn't be having this debate [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► because the material will be in the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► public domain and as he points out [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► criterion could release a restored [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► original version with commentary by you [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► know historians and fans Walmart could [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► release a version with all the incest [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► taken out this alliance from his article [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► ya know what if they if they're offended [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► by their brother and sister kissing you [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► know in Empire Strikes Back they could [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► remove that right Lucas Lucas could make [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► his stupid versions Jar Jar everywhere [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► right and it's a quote from this thing [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► the point is that art with the capital a [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► would be served in commerce with a [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► capital C little cent sign would be [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► served as well so it the fact that you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► know the rights holders are not the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► right people to hold the rights of [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► things you shouldn't have them this [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► longer this had been if this was in the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► public domain people will be making more [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► money and there would be more artistic [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► freedom we wouldn't be having this [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► debate you know it's not as if we'd be [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► taking rights away from Lucas he would [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► still have the right to release his [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► great version with all these special [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► stuffin and if that's actually better [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► people would buy it but now these are [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► the only versions you know as Gruber [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► point out if someone just released the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► if you just released the original [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► trilogy and these modified ones then the [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► consumers could pick whichever we want [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► no one would care they'd be like all [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► those new changes think but I'm just [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► gonna buy the other one right [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► instead we wouldn't all be hating Lucas [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► because he's just denying us the [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► original movies that we want to see and [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► hide that version so I suggest people [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► read that length article [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► a bad motivator on John McCoy's blog [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► strangely titled pathetic fallacy ok [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► faith has some sums ask us about this or [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► me mainly alright ok this this is my [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► question like I didn't understand why [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► people were getting so like upset about [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► Lukas changing the movies because [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► they're his movies so shouldn't he [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► shouldn't he'd be able to but you sort [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► of just answered it so just correct me [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► if I if I'm not getting this right so [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► people the grievance people have with [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► this is that the original versions are [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► no longer available it's not solely that [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► he's making alterations to them so I'm [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► going to quote from John McCoy again [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► who's my obi-wan on his topic you're [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► your obi-wan yeah at a certain point the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► relevance art was more to the actions of [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the audience than to the author like [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► it's his when he creates it and he [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► deserves to be able to make money from [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► it but once it goes out into the public [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► consciousness it becomes part of our [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► culture it's no longer his it's part of [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► the culture and he can do whatever he [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► wants with derivatives of it and change [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► it and stuff like that but the original [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► Star Wars should be part of the popular [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► culture and should not be held captive [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► for 90 years or however long to the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► whims of this person so much so if he [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► refuses to release the original version [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► of the film that we all saw in the 70s [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► and 80s right that's part of the culture [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► that's not his anymore it's bigger than [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► him so he shouldn't be able to somebody [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► shouldn't I mean the laws are the laws [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► what I'm saying is do anything illegal [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► or immoral or even unethical it's just [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► bad for the culture it's it's bad for [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► commerce not that that really matters [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► that much but it's additionally bad for [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► commerce and it's just bad for everybody [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► bad for arc it makes all of us unhappy [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► so again I wouldn't say what he's not [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► doing anything legal he's not doing [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► anything immoral and I don't think he's [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► even doing anything unethical he's just [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► doing something it is suboptimal [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► let's say so yeah then the main gripe [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► people have is not so much of he's [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► changing his thing the way he wants it [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► fine let him do whatever the heck he [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► wants it's his it's that he's also you [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► know being a stick-in-the-mud and not [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► giving us the original versions that we [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► all saw that we all want seriously it's [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► not like it's on he went added an [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► additional chapter to the end of a novel [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► like Anthony Burgess did with Clockwork [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► Orange where it changes the whole feel [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► of a novel and that kind of thing you're [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► saying that because the original not the [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► work is is essentially been redacted [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► it's been removed it's it's been read [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► Condon there's there is no way to go [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► back and see what was originally a like [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► I unless you have an original negative [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► from the original theatrical runs you [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► can't even like you know if you're a [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► movie theater so I want to show the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► original trilogy not the special [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► editions you can't even get that movie [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► you know it please I will sell tickets [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and I will give you money in exchange [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► for people who come to see this movie [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► and then know that we won't give it to [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► you again that's his legal right and I [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► don't think it's a moral or ethical [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► thing that is just it's just worse for [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► our culture our culture is poorer for it [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► for not being able to see those movies [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► you know we have to just wait has one [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► ever to wait till he's dead I guess I [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► wait you know who knows when the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► copyright bill ever expire or how long [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► it will be with his estate that's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► another thing that John McCloy brings up [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► in his article talking about the James [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► Joyce estate and how they've held on to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► his rights for so long and how the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► ancestors of great artists are not [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► necessarily the best stewards of the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► work because they're not interested in [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► the greater benefit of the culture the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► more interested in either lining their [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► pockets are protecting the works from [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► any altercation alteration rather did [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► you see there was an article that came [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► out I don't know how actually how old [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the article was but affiliate was a [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► recent where Steven Spielberg announced [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► it for his blu-ray stuff of like et that [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► he is going to be removing the things [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► that he that he did to change it I want [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► the the example that I remember was [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► cited was at one point The Secret [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► Service agents were running around with [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► guns and while it was during the scene [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► where Elliot and sorry for preventing [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the movie for those haven't seen et I [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► guess it will get email oh you ruined [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► social Redemption bleep okay okay fine [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► don't listen for the next three minutes [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► the part where Elliot et riding and the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► bike and et is up in the front and [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► they're escaping after et wakes up and [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the I guess it in this scene the Secret [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Service agents are running around with [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► yeah I don't know whether it was machine [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► guns or pistols or whatever they had [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► guns and Spielberg went back in and [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► tweaked the heck out of this thing and [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► turned it into walkie talkies so they [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► were running around with walkie-talkies [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► point [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► to that ad I guess uh and so he he had [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► changed that and he had I guess he said [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► that he felt that he had somehow [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► betrayed the original feeling associated [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► with the movie and is is going to [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► restore the original et movie the way it [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► was originally filmed regardless of what [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► was changed later he's restoring the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► original one for this final sort of [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► blu-ray release as well he should and [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► you know if I can I'll take a second to [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► armchair psychoanalyze without ever [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► meeting or really knowing anything about [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► Lucas and Spielberg to compare why one [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► is reversing the other has just doubled [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► down Lucas has always been I think he [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► sees himself as an outsider and always [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► has seen himself as an outsider he [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► wanted to get out of the Hollywood [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► system he wanted to you know do his own [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► thing on Scott Walker Ranch wanted to be [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► an independent filmmaker didn't want to [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► be under the thumb of studios didn't [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► like dealing with him always wanted to [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► be financially independent and I think [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that comes from like sort of an [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► us-versus-them oppressed minority thing [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► even though he's like you know the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► 800-pound gorilla at this point right [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► this is just his attitude so that's why [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► when people criticize him for making [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► changes he's not able to process that [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► criticism constructively but simply [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► withdraws and become stubborn says oh [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► yeah well I'm going to add more stuff [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► debt and you know climate wheezing it's [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► doing what Dan paper kids the kids love [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► he's the grumpy kid who's like being [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► stubborn and just I know I won't do it [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the more you the more you yell about the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► more I'm going to you know where [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Spielberg is well-adjusted enough to [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► look at the criticism and think about it [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► so maybe they are right maybe I am going [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► back and changing things because you [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► know my attitude may be different when [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► I'm older but the a younger Steven [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► Spielberg made that movie and why [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► shouldn't the work of that younger [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► Steven Spielberg be preserved as part of [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► our culture as being being erased well [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► giving an example of that is that I [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► heard an interview with with Spielberg [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► and this was a number of years ago and [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► they were saying is there anything that [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► you would have changed about any of your [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► movies and I guess they were talking [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► about Close Encounters of the Third Kind [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► and by the way I'm going to ruin the end [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► of Close Encounters of the Third Kind [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► now in case you haven't seen it have you [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► not seen a face she's look [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► me you haven't seen it oh wow well I'm [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► going to ruin it for you I'm sorry this [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► is the downside of the job [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► occasionally I will ruin movies for you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► on the show uh Spielberg said well I [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► wouldn't have had him go at the end I [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► feel like as a dad now it would be [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► irresponsible for him to go uh because [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► he had a family out of you know a family [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► wife I'm I do having him go was a very [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► irresponsible thing that I as a young [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► director without a family didn't see [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► didn't think about didn't wasn't really [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► aware of now I wouldn't have him go but [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► he didn't go back and you know airbrush [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► Dreyfuss uh off the the the plank [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► walking onto the ship either [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► he left it he's maybe he regretted that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► but he said you know what that this was [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► the movie that I made another example is [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► a jaws where they couldn't get the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► stupid mechanical shark torch at work at [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► the time so they didn't have the shark [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► in a lot of the shots right and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► everybody said oh you know that's so [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► great so suspenseful right because we [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► don't get to see the sure but really [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► just because they couldn't get the [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► special effects to work and he was [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► worried about oh god we couldn't get the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► stupid mechanical shark to work if [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► people are going to be scared by this [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► movie and as it turns out they're even [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► more scared by not seeing it so he [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► couldn't go back in there the CG shark [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► to all the scenes like I always wanted [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► that mechanical shark to work him the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► stupid thing wouldn't work and I'm gonna [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► go back and edit which is kind of like [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► what Lucas did because he was one of [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► these special effects to be just so and [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► have more aliens and he went back and [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► headed them but Steven Spielberg was [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► smart enough to realize hey wait a [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► second actually it's better without that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► everyone tells me and I find it to be [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► true my own experience that not seeing [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► the shark is even scarier than seeing it [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► so were you going back and adding the CG [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► shark condition to modifying the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► original it regardless whether you [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► released original it would make the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► movie worse and so he he realizes that's [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► the case and does not go back and add [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► the CG shark so I found I found the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► article not to you know beat a dead [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► horse or anything I found the article [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► put it in the show notes but it was for [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► the 20th anniversary edition Spielberg [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► made some changes to the movie and he [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► says some scenes of et got the CGI [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► treatment to enhance his expression a [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► certain description of Michael's breath [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► was removed and most famously the police [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► had their weapons replaced with walkie [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► talkies and and and and he says here he [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I guess he was uh he was interviewed in [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► front of a crowd at [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► Raiders the Lost Ark event and he said [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► if he needed to go back and change [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► things in his movies the director [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► responded quote I tried this once and I [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► lived to regret it not because a fan [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► outraged it but simply because I was [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► disappointed in myself I was overly [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► sensitive to some of the criticism et [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► got from parent groups when was first [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► released in 1982 having to do with [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Elliott saying penis breath or the guns [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and then there were certain other [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► brilliant but rough around the edges [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► close-ups of et that I was felt if [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► technology ever evolves to the point [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► where I can do some facial enhancement [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► for et I'd like to he said it was okay [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► for a while but then I realized what I [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► had done was I had robbed the people who [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► loved each of their memories of et and I [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► regretted that which he received a [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► massive applause the only contrition [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that I really performed is when et came [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► out on DVD for the first time I asked [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► Universal when you released this on DVD [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► you have to come out for the same price [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► of one DVD you have to put two movies in [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► the box and one movie will be the 1982 [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► version and the other will be the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► digitally enhanced version and then he I [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► went on to ask the audience he says I [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► know we're coming out with a blu-ray of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► ET if it just came out with one ET the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► 1982 et would anyone object to that and [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► he says there were loud knows from the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► audience and he said okay then so be it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► yeah see he's at least self-aware enough [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► to realize like what's going like a war [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► okay Cessna in the bar you in a Cessna [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► I'm not an assessment that's a lawn [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► mower [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► that's a lawn mower what kind of lawns [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► do you have up there n' if you want beer [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► I'm pretty much done with the Star Wars [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► thing so if you want you can do a [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► sponsor before we go into Windows 8 [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that's a mower yes holy cow all right [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► campaign monitor they've released a core [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► these guys these are guys you go to if [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► you want a gorgeous email newsletter [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► these are the guys who go because they [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► have they've updated their editor so you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► get them the most amazing editor out [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► there for creating newsletters and to [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► celebrate this release they're giving [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► away tons of these these templates they [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► went to the best designers on the web [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and they said we want you to make us [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► some templates and we'll give them away [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► to all of our users for free you go to [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► campaign monitor comm slash templates [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► you can see these you can also catch a [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► demo of their new editor in action at [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► the same address and campaign monitor [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► you know the think of it as email [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► marketing software but it's for web [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► designers it's it's all elegant it's all [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► beautiful it's a hundred percent rebrand [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Abul make a ton of features you can try [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► it for free lots of different plans [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► campaign monitor comm check them out [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► there's still no no no we're still going [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► you want to kill time by talking to [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► faith about movie shed and seeing that [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► should be done like 10 minutes well the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► one the one thing we've talked about and [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► I will I will mention this now we [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► haven't really we haven't really have we [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► really said this or not but there there [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► is a mum you and I enjoy I think a lot [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► of the same movies although I'm not as [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► much into you know like they're you know [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► Dragon Slayer from 1982 as you are um we [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► think that you know about that movie [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► proves you wrong I've seen the movie I [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► remember the little baby dragons I [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► remember a shield oh yeah hear that it [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► came out and so I'm guessing at the year [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and I was expecting you to tell me you [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► know Dan it was 79 you fool uh not to be [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► confused with with the Dragon Slayer [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► game completely different thing that was [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the laserdisc game where you would have [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► your little cartoon character running my [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► dragon's lair think for a second what [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► was that call dragon's lair lair lair [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► that's what I said dragon's lair oh I'm [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► missing the you're trying to do a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► some kind of bad pun there Slayer versus [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► well the movie was Slayer the movie was [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► lair I said not to be confused with [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► dragon's lair okay okay all right where [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► you add a little cartoon character and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► you would run and you'd supposed to hit [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► the jump button at a certain exact [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► moment impossible for a you know young [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► teenager to perfectly time because you [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► had no experience perfectly timing to [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► the seeking speed of a laserdisc well [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► the thing was jumping not that but was [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► there a jump on I thought it was just [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the joystick there was a joystick there [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► was a jump button there was an attack [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► button there was everything you had [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► everything confusing game and it cost 50 [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► cents to play now now I think it's a [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► good doll er to play the most basic [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► video game but back when this game came [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► out it would that was a fort that was a [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► small fortune for a kid with an [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► allowance and then you can you couldn't [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► get past the second stage Oh what was I [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► supposed to do was I supposed to jump [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► was I supposed to attack this is [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► supposed to hit left and then you'd see [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► the guy who owned the arcade joint come [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► over there and play for two hours on on [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► a couple quarters as he'd been practiced [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► prior to gauntlet you ever played [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► gauntlet you're going farther down this [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► rathole I guess I play gauntlet who are [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► you in gauntlet Valkyrie we shot the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► food I was either the warrior or the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► health usually you know what would be [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► cool is if you get the elf [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► and you get the boots of speed oh watch [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► out man watch out that's you'd run out [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► there and grab all that treasure for the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► other warrior be back there you know [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► hacking away the ghosts the grunts all [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► right so pop pop the stack pop the stack [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► here what is a hat I'm trying to tell [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► you to clean your programmer I'm trying [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► to tell you to to go back if you stack [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► frames return from your deeply nested [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► subroutine to the higher level thing you [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► happy for the longer you got onto this [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► topic because that you kill time I don't [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► know you said kill time so this is what [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► I do I kill the trainer I don't remember [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► what the original thing was at this [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► point it was something about how you're [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► not a oh you're talking about movie us [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► doing a movie thing yeah there you go [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► Goodfellas yes we're going to talk about [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► Goodfellas on an upcoming episode of the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► show and you [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► you want some day we will because we [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► have things in common [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► movies that we like and this is this is [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► one of the greatest all-time movies and [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► you you suggested early on when we first [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► started doing the show I said I said we [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► should talk movies too because we have a [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► lot of these movies that we have in [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► common including Dragon Slayer which I [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► know is when your favorites and you you [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► had said well Goodfellas we have to talk [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► about that and you in fact I think went [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► on to say please don't talk about that [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► with anybody else until we've had a [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► chance to talk about because I have so [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► much to say about it and I made you that [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► promise I would just like to say Lou we [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► should announce it at least now we're we [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► do have plans to do this we will do it [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► on the show we'll do it on no other show [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► I think we already announced that it was [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► so long ago people may have forgotten [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► but yes I wanted to get dibs on it [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► because I was afraid you're going to run [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► out of Bond movies and start doing with [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► Gruber we will not we will not be doing [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► Goodfellas there we will do be doing in [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► here I was trying to like plant all [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► gangster movies so we could have [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► Godfather 1 and 2 after that that's [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► great they are you up for it and then [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► pretend three doesn't exist and so on [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► and so forth are you up for it and we'll [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► see how the first one goes it's gotta be [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► good Phyllis it's gotta be good fuck yes [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► yes I'm all ready to watch in [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► preparation for whenever we can arrange [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► to record do we do it as part of the [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► show or is it a special separate I think [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► it's a special separate thing otherwise [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► the shuttle go too long okay and some [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► people don't want to people complain [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► about many topics on hypercritical that [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► are not relevant to Apple or technology [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► huh even really in certainly Goodfellas [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► so it will be a separate separate [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► episode yes special you had some ideas [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► for like making a special show with some [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► weird title that would be you talking [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► about movies with the fairies other host [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► I would like that I feel like it could [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► just be you and me on that show well [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► maybe I'm stirring it all right let's uh [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► when it was eight windows 8 Metro what [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► can you say that hasn't been said at [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► this point Oh what is that what is that [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► we got leaf blowers now but they're the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► tail-end can you fix this in post or [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► should we just wait for leaf blowers to [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► go away I think it's adds a little bit [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► of character to the to the show I don't [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► I'm not taking any of this out all right [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► I'll throw in another correction my [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► friend John McCoy just points out that [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the original copyright term was 14 years [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► not 17 he made a mistake in his article [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► so there's a little real-time follow-up [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► a Bernard you have up there and not not [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► a big yard at all that's why they'll be [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► done shortly you don't know that [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► yourself no I did for a while but then [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► like at a certain point I spent my whole [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► teenage years mowing my parents lawn and [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► they had a much bigger lawn than I do [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► and a certain point of like you know [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► what I'm done mowing lawns I've put in [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► my quota of lawn mowing and yeah it's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► much much more economical I'm with you [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► to have someone just do it for you done [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► with you yeah cuz otherwise I'll be [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► spending every single weekend during the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► summer just mowing the lawn and doing [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► lawn maintenance all right that's not [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► how I want to spend my weekends no I [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► hear that this is this is sort of your [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► take on the the good of the many [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► outweigh the good of the one yeah [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► so nuclear are they gone [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► can we talk about how they're not gone [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► but they're more distant so so Windows 8 [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► uh I tried to watch some of the keynote [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► and I could not handle the the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► presentation he went on forever I didn't [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► like the ball guy is that what [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► everything there was two hosts on the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► screen none the actual keynote the one [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► like that the first keynote of the day [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► there was two hosts who kept going back [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and forth through each other and they [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► were just hyperactive and they were [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► making me this is making me nervous to [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► watch them but so then Gruber linked and [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► recommended disliked the afternoon [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► keynote or some other thing it was a [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► Jensen Harris gave this talk on the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► title was eight traits of great [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► metro-style apps and if the title is [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► misleading is really just like going [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► through the philosophy and underpinnings [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► of the entire metro UI and it's 90 [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► minutes long it's just one host and it [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► is kind of long and boring but I watched [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► the whole thing and it does do a good [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► job of explaining the UI so while I was [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► watching it I was making notes I might [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► try to make notes watching the keynote [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► but I just couldn't take any more of it [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► I watched that whole nine you made a [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► video I made lots of random notes so ah [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► they're not really that well-organized I [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► just kind of go through them in the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► order they appear on my on my note sheet [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► here because I think I think Windows 8 [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► is very interesting the first thing I [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► notice that is I and I noted this Gruber [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► as well it isn't kind of weird that [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► Microsoft considers it [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► a to publicly show broken and buggy code [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► and demos like that's something it's [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► very different from the Apple world [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► where so Apple will show like user [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► preview of the upcoming Mac OS 10 line [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► in Steve Jobs or whoever Craig federighi [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► is that his name will get up on stage [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► and demo a pre-release version of the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► operating system acknowledging that it's [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► not done yet but everything in that demo [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► is going to work and if it doesn't it's [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► you know it's notable right so even [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► though the whole lesson may not be done [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► everything they're going to demo has to [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► work just demo the parts that work don't [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► demo the parts that don't work and [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► rehearse that demo six or seven times so [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that you know yeah when I do this is [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► these all these things are going to work [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► right whereas Microsoft and all the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► demos that I saw in this age you know [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► traits of great metro-style apps and the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► other keynote tons of stuff wasn't [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► working there was lots of you know lots [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► of failures and lots of people pulling [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► at the screen and not doing what they [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► was supposed to do on the first second [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► or third try I guess it was a little bit [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► of that with uh with Craig federighi [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► trying to do gestures with his very [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► nervous shaky fingers on the the Magic [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Mouse right but you know that's not it's [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► not so much as failure and software here [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► I saw things happening with people to [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► try to touch a button on the screen [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► nothing would happen and they would [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► reset the device at one point in the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► demo he switches to the Windows desktop [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► goes to the task manager and kills a [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► process then comes back and it [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► relaunches and it works the second you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► know so lots really I mean I'm not [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► saying that's bad it's pretty Lea [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► software but it's a different it's a [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► different philosophy that Microsoft was [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► willing to do it do and show anything [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► but they also didn't have the discipline [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► to make sure that everything shown [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► during their demos was guaranteed to [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► work because they done it seven times [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► before right like maybe they had done it [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► before but the coulee didn't go through [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► enough rehearsals to know whether this [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► stuff was going to work maybe they [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► didn't have time so that's just a [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► different philosophy I think and it's [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► different also WWDC in the sessions like [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► not in the keynote but in the actual [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► session as a WWC you'll see stuff not [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► work and stop crashes they're showing [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► some pre-release feature of an operating [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► system but this was public this was I [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► mean that's the difference I guess with [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► Microsoft and everything else is [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► everything that this build conference [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► seems to be public on they put all the [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► video on Channel nine for free I didn't [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► have to pay anything I didn't have to [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► sign up for any account I could just go [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► to the website and look at the video so [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► Microsoft is much more open and much [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► more willing to show you the unfinished [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► bits of [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► they're doing so broadly speaking the [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► first thing I noted when they were going [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► through these Metro apps is you can [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► write them in C++ C sharp or JavaScript [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► HTML and zamel which is their XML UI [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► definition thing that they do now that [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► gets back to the köppen 2010 stuff [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► we're saying a look at Microsoft they of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► course they have their C sharp memory [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► manage language with the VM and all that [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► other stuff and of course they have [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► JavaScript HTML which is even higher [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► level but there's also C++ and there's [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► this whole big idea of a C++ Renaissance [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► going on at Microsoft and other [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► companies where previously C++ was [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► dumped on because it was complicated and [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► fragile and annoying but new C++ [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► standards to come out adding new [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► features and libraries that hide the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► ugly bits for you or standard people the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► community is standardized in some [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► libraries that get rid of some of the [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► rough edges let you do things that were [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► previously too annoying to do yourself [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► so it's in typical Microsoft fashion [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► they want everything but you can do to [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► see bus plus you can do it in c-sharp or [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► just kind of in the middle there and you [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► can even do in JavaScript you know so [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► they're very different from Apple in [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that philosophy is they're not they [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► didn't they didn't pick one language [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► they have this whole language is [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► spanning an entire range I that's come [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► becomes interesting when you start [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► talking about Windows unarm which [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► Microsoft is doing they want to through [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► their operating system to run on [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► different processor architecture now if [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► you write your app in javascript in HTML [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► for example you don't have to worry [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► about it running on arm because this [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► like there's no compiling it will run an [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► arm just fine right and c-sharp because [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it runs in the common language on time I [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► assume will also have a similar property [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► that your application will run an arm as [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► long as they can get the common language [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► runtime to run an arm right but your C++ [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► application you will need to recompile [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► if you wanted to run an arm so even [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► their own language range is kind of [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► spread across the the ease of getting on [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► to arm and I think right now people [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► didn't even know well so what you know [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► windows an arm is that important am I [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► going to want to do that is that like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► essential it's kind of a wait-and-see [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► attitude so I'm not sure people are [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► making language choices based on arm at [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► this point till they see what the arm [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► stuff is doing so the next thing that [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► occurred to me watching this is that all [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► these things are showing written [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► everything but the key the key issue is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Microsoft give the devs the developers [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► to come over to their platform like [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► that's always been the problem with [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► Windows Phone they're always trying to [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► throw money at people say if you make [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► make your app for Windows Phone make [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► Angry Birds for Windows Phone here will [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► give you tons of money just you know [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► make your cool app for Windows Phone [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► please please you know anybody they're [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► looking for anybody who does a great [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► mobile app on another platform to come [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► over and make mobile apps for Windows [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► Phone Apple didn't have to really do [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► that it seems like Apple didn't have to [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► do that as much maybe Apple did go out [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► to EA and everybody throw money at them [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► and get them to make iPhone games [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► originally but certainly at this point [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► people are going to iOS because that's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► where the money already is whereas [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► Microsoft is trying to get them to come [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► to the phone and the tablet it's the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► same type of thing you can make this [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► great cool platform but if you can't the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► developers to come and make your your [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► apps for that platform you're just gonna [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► you know it's a it's a chicken-egg thing [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► so some of the things they were using [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► the presentation to try to get [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► developers over is the typical line you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► know some of you are going to get rich [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► on this platform you know put the dollar [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► signs in their eyes you come right you [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► know Metro apps you will get rich some [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► of you were going to build apps that are [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► used by hundreds and millions of people [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► you know because Microsoft has the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► biggest ecosystem that was the big thing [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► they were pressing is like we're [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Microsoft you know even though I guess [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► even though we're doing nothing in a [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► tablet space and we're a distant third [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► or fourth in the phone space right we [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► hardly we're the biggest ecosystem at [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► Ninon they are I guess we got the PC [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► platform that's putting our big [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► ecosystem but this is a tall you know [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► they may have the biggest ego system [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► there but they're not the biggest [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► ecosystem of users paying for downloaded [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► apps or for devs creating them right [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► they don't have anything in that space [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► you know they sell their apps and [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► shrink-wrap and licenses to corporations [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► they're not they're not selling it to [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► individual users who are downloading [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► them and in real time they don't have [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► millions of credit card bearing accounts [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► and people who are trained to buy things [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► digitally from them or anything like [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► that uh-huh [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► another phrase is you want to get in on [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► the ground floor you know Microsoft [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► wants a gold rush in telling you you [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► really want to get on the ground floor [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► be the first guy to make the great app [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► for this [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► another point they were hammering was we [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► have a more very more varied devices [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► than any other ecosystem because they [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► had that big display in the stage where [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► they showed Windows 8 running on a big [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► giant PC and then a smaller PC and then [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► a big tablet and then a smaller tablet [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► like they were showing Windows 8 [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► commends this whole huge range of [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► devices you know we have the biggest [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► ecosystem [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► I don't know if I would have leaned on [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► as much as they did because I can't [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► imagine anybody was on an Android [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► developer looking dead and going oh [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► great more fragmentation no I don't will [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► tell me how many devices you have right [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure what that's a big [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► selling point for developers like I'm [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► gonna make my app work on that entire [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► range of stuff that's on the screen [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► alright so if you've seen the Metro [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► applications just looking to screenshots [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► before I'd watch your videos I'm like [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► these things are ridiculously simplified [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► no there's almost nothing on the screen [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► no nope no controls no typical chrome [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► stuff and like not even a lot of content [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► right it's just just nothing right I was [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► thinking how much more simplified they [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► are even then Apple's latest revision of [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► simplified desktop apps right so like [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the address book when they changed that [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► stupid book thing right but but they [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► simplified the applications as two panes [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► instead of three or iCal where they hid [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► the little stuff under pop-ups that used [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► to be sticking out on calendars looks [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like a big month calendar that's it they [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► were trying to simplify that application [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► that's nothing compared to this kind of [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► simple Gatien this is just remove [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► everything so I don't know if they've [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► just leapt ahead of where Apple was in [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► terms of simplification because the [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► trend is in a clear direction there so [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► let's just jump way it like if Apple is [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► slowly simplifying these applications [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► where you know forget we're gonna leave [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► them the dust we're gonna super [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► simplified stuff ah it was making me [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► think okay I'll go back to the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► aesthetics in a little bit but it isn't [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► jimana to uh note that they seem to [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► leapfrog things in simplification but [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► that's a good thing or not we'll say ah [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► so in the UI once you see start seeing [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► the thing in use all right I remember [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► what made me think of as the iPad [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► introduction so the iPad came out of [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► room stalking well Apple's gonna make a [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► tablet what's it gonna be like we all [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► held the iPhone we wanted to make a [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► tablet and there was lots of fantasies [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► about well there was the hardware on one [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► side which I think everyone more or less [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► knew what hardware was going to be in [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the week or so leading up the thing I [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► liked I think it did about post about it [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► on ours where I tried to predict what [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► the hardware would be and it was exactly [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► what everyone thought it would be but [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► the software people didn't know but [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► there was speculation that maybe would [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► be Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► well an iOS or what kind of iOS would it [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► be just like that what anybody was [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► talking about Mac os10 nothing but the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► people but the reason people were think [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► about Mac os10 because they would be [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► like okay well sure iOS or iPhone or [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► less is great on the phone but this is a [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► bigger screen so I don't don't you need [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► to make right isn't it more like a [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► computer yeah yeah you would make [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► different choices in terms of how you [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► use screen so it's like the decisions [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► you made when the screen was tiny and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► fit in your hand or should be different [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► than the ones you make when it's big so [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► that's why people say well Mabel they [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► just put the full fledge mac OS x you [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► could fit it on that size screen Ino is [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► no good for touch about like I'm you [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► know I don't I don't think Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► being on it had really any Koreans but [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► what I was thinking about was what are [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► they gonna do to iOS to adapt it to this [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► bigger screen and I remember being very [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► disappointed when they showed it on the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► stage and the home screen was the exact [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► same grid of icons just more widely [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► spaced right like if someone had shown [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► you that as as a faked up spy photo of [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► like here's a leaked photo of the iPad [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► maybe like you just took a picture of [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► the the iPhone springboard and spread [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the icons out there's no way Apple would [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► do that they're gonna come up with a new [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► interface that's appropriate for the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► tablet nope it's springboard with the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► icon spread out more or less you know [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and I was very disappointed that Apple [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► didn't try to think about how they could [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► be different on a tablet size screen [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► right and when I saw that decision again [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► again back to the past we did about [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► Steve Jobs and how we have no idea what [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► Steve Jobs actually does so we can just [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► assign to him whatever decisions we [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► think but I thought that decision [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► smelled like Steve Jobs and in the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► imaginary Steve Jobs in my head I [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► imagine him being shown seven or eight [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► different alternatives for like what the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► interface on the iPad would be like and [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► him looking at all them and going yeah [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► why can't me just do a grid of icons [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► like the phone people people like that [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► and it works why can't we just do that I [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► don't understand why you don't why don't [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► we just make it a grid of oh god that's [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it it's just gonna be a grid of icons [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► who show me that I can't you see him [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► doing that isn't that his type about it [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► like thinking this why you show me all [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► these fancy wizzy interfaces but I don't [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► know what the alternatives possibly [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► could have been it's like but well [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► didn't we already solve this the iPhone [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► just use the creative icons people like [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► that do it alright so we have a grid of [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► icons uh Microsoft did not do that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► Microsoft well I don't know you could [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► say Microsoft to me to scale the version [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► of what it's got [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► Windows Phone but certainly it's not [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► just a grid of icons it's it's a it's a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► weird you call it a mosaic of tiles not [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► emotion in practice it's very hot very [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► different uh using the thing with the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► lock screens in Windows 8 [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► did you see that in the videos I'm [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► thinking about that I don't think I saw [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that one to describe it how does that [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► work so instead of you know an apple you [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► slide the little yeah thing to the side [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► to get your thing well they have is a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► gesture based thing where you have like [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► a big desktop pattern but a big a big [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► photo that's the background of your [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► thing so they're always putting pictures [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► of the kids or something on there and [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► then you make a series of gestures on [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► the picture of your kid to launch it [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► that's right yeah they're like poking [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► the left thigh poking the right eye [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► slide on the smiley face in your thing [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► opens right um someone did a logo like [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► here's our company logo and I swipe [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► across the top and logo and then trace [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► these little lines in the logo and I get [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► it unlocked uh I don't think that's I [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► mean the security of those things is all [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► subject to people looking at your screen [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► at the right angle and seeing where your [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► finger grease trails lead and to figure [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► out how to unlock your thing and I could [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► imagine it being frustrated frustrating [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► if they didn't make it like if they [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► didn't add a lot of slop in there where [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► you don't have to be so precise so you [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► didn't exactly hit your daughter's pupil [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► so we're not gonna open it and you [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► sitting there stabbing your kid in the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► face repeatedly trying to get so it's [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► got to be really permissive but that [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► also makes this security not so great [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► not that like you know your numeric code [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► one two three four on your phone is that [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► great either but it just struck me is [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► kind of weird as another thing I can't [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► imagine Apple doing this I just you just [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► poke your kid in the face few times to [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► unlock your thing is not great but I can [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► also see Steve Jobs trying to pimp that [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► as a great feature so I could go either [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► ah so the look of the thing after [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► staring at Windows 8 for like an hour or [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► two hours and then looking back at an [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► iPad or an iPhone [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► it makes iOS look old like the same way [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► that when a new version of Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► comes out like maybe you skip like three [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► versions and go back to like ten point [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► three or ten point two and look at you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► know my god how do we even look at this [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► with the pinstripes and the drawers and [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► all it's just it's just hideous right [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► well if you look at Metro for a long [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► time then you look back at iOS it seems [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► like busy and has lots of stuff and lots [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► of you know they call it Chrome but you [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► know the these little [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► ashle rendered buttons in the toolbars [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► on your iPad apps it's not a lot of UI [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► but like oh they're made to look like [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► it's kind of like recessed underneath a [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► little you know the toolbar is like a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► little metal shell and there's a little [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► recessed button under it with a little [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► shadow on and all that shading and it's [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► like it looks a little clunky after [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► you've seen just this sort of clean [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► empty regions of color that they use in [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► Windows 8 when the Metro interface in [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Windows 8 I I don't know if that means [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► anything but it does it's an impression [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that struck me after going from one [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► environment into the other like usually [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► that happens to Apple doing it to itself [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► now here's someone potentially doing it [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► to Apple I'll have to see them in real [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► life to know whether that's actually the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► case but on the screen it looks less [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► like a computer let's put it that way it [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► looks less like a computer then then iOS [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► or the Mac does and that's been Apple's [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► trend is to make everything they do look [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► less like a computer but this looks [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► really less like a computer I thought it [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► was notable that they have they were [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► making a big deal out of the fact that [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► all their text base lines are aligned [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► like you know like within a print [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► publication when you line the base line [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► so the and also in a grid system and web [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► design type thing that's something that [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► Microsoft would never even acknowledge [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the existence of they the pre Windows 8 [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Microsoft here they were in a public [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► presentation making a big point of it [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► and saying you don't have to worry we'll [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► take care of this for you but it's [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► really important because look how this [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► lines up from screen to screen and you [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► know the same reason you do it in print [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► it's not a revolution to figure this out [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► it's a revolution for Microsoft for them [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► actually thinking about stuff like this [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► for a change now as for the actual [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► operation of this thing if you haven't [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► watched the video in the show notes you [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► should pause the thing now and go watch [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► the video for 90 minutes and then sleep [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► and come back and listen to so you can [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► talk more watch it while you sleep [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► yeah also I'm not going to describe [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► everything that's in it song assume you [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► already seen it but my impression of the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Start screen which is that big mosaic of [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► icons is it yeah it doesn't look like a [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► computer UI what it looks like to me [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► well before I say this let me say what [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► does it look like to you [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► let me just this ifs no one told you [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► that this was Windows 8 or anything how [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► you just saw a screenshot or a picture [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► of you know that thing what does it look [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► like to you what other existing things [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► that you know of all right [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► does it look like do you mean besides [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► the windows phone or is that the answer [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► now besides the windows one yeah other [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► thing does it look like maybe I'm dumb [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► what does it read what does it remind [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you of [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► none an on computer thing an on computer [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► thing I all I know is computers so maybe [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► it's just me that when I when I look at [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► it what it looks like to me is a page in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► a catalog like you know a nicely laid [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► out sort of avant-garde page and a [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► catalog for clothes like an [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► advertisement like an IKEA catalog yeah [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► not not so much like a bunch of ads but [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► like here are wares for sale we have [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► these lovely dishes and here these happy [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► people were in clothing you can buy and [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► some text alongside on a target [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► advertisement yeah it looks like a page [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► in a catalog and if you look at those [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► screenshots like they always put the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► beautiful happy people laughing and the [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► the beautifully photographed merchandise [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► or the big close up of a flower or some [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► other thing you know and I look at that [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► and it's they're nice-looking pictures [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► but what it strikes me is sort of [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► content free content like the image [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► looks nice but what information is it [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► conveying to me or do I have to read the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► text right and the second thing I [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► thought of is that's how it looks in [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► their demos but when the user gets this [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► thing is that screen going to look so [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► hot when it's not filled with super high [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► quality high-res photos of models right [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► when it's when it's like an avatar [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► that's originally 64 by 64 and it's been [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► scaled up to 512 we're just like you [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► know we're not all models you can have [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► pictures of your friends and family who [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► are not as attractive and they will not [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► be nicely lit are these these pictures [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► of like I could have done like dinner [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► plates and other stuff like [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► professionally photographed expensive [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► things mmm where you're gonna have [TS]