00:00:00 ◼ ► this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► the world of Apple related technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/6">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► in business is nothing is so perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► it cannot be complained about by a host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/10">TS</a>]
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00:00:41 ◼ ► tell you about them more as the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► goes on how're you doing this week John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► siracusa I'm pretty good fair yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► great this week busy exciting week we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► exciting for for the Windows users among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► us I'm excited I'm not a Windows user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► and I'm excited excited to become to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/58">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► become a Windows user perhaps not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► but I'm excited about the events of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► week like what what besides Windows 8 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► the big events when Metro but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/68">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► basically that's it the events of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► week is matter we'll talk about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/72">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► I do have to burn through some follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► lightning fast corrections lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► take it on last week we actually be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/81">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► lfyou is an acronym used for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/86">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► ok an abbreviation sorry so oh we get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► as good go into the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/94">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► an acronym and an abbreviation later if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► that could be a follow up for next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► people can look it up in the dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► so we talked about markdown a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► last week and as I was listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► show as I always do after I record it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► realized that every time I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► about markdown I'm giving like examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► of how what markdown is like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► reversed the the meaning I was like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► you put like a little asterisks around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► the word and we'll make it bold and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► know and underscores we'll make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► italic my how mark 10 works no no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► sent me a correction for this but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► second I heard it I realized it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/127">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► wander scores make it bold so not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► detail was particularly important but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► was constantly getting it wrong in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► whole show maybe you're thinking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► were thinking of textile that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► was probably thinking of as a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► mine pointed out I made a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► little UNIX utilities back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/149">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► for sending plain text messages to lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/151">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► and then I had it interpret plain text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► messages and dude like the vt100 escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/155">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► underlining and stuff and in my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► thing when there were stars around a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► word i omitted the vt100 codes for bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/165">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► misspent youth and how I interpreted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► commonly used emphasis characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► plain ASCII communication i someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► the chat room says double asterisk not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► around and make it bold but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► though for those relying on that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► podcast for actual detailed information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► on how markdown works don't I put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/187">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► link to these actual markdown syntax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/189">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► documentation in the show notes so let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► me ask you a question then shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/193">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► your general lack of familiarity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/194">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► markdown and its usage imply that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► opinion maybe should be called into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/201">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► question because you're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/202">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► familiar with it you haven't maybe given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► it a chance you haven't given it a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► it's like saying oh I don't I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► f-16s oh well why not well they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► this wrong with them and this wrong that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► - no I don't like it i I've I've used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► plenty but I guess in my writing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► make words bold or italic and often you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► just we'll see about indecision and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► again I knew which was which I just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► whatever reason I misspoke repeatedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► during the show like I said well soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► I listen to it I said that's not how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► make things I feel like so right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/235">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► and no one sent that in so it must not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/236">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► have been that important so I think I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/239">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I am familiar enough with markdown to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► have a reasonable opinion on it okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► will grant you that and I will also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► that maybe our audiences so become so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► trusting of you now they were all asleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► come on that they no longer another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► question question if siracusa says so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/253">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► must be true now they were all asleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/256">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► all right so the next one we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► about a languages with specks I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► it's part of that same episode I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/263">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► mentioning that Perl ray doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/264">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► language spec and I didn't know if pie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► did someone sent in the Python reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/267">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► and we're talking about spec versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► reference blah blah right and they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► whether somebody else said the pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► out that the Ruby one is I guess under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► development right so this is this Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► spec project is a project to write an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► executable specification for the Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► apparently is underway although you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► noted what an executable specification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► is I guess it's more kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/287">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Perl six test suite I'm not sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► anyway I put the link in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► so if people are interested in the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► of spec development for Ruby they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► follow that I think it's Ruby spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/295">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► torgue the MIT course that I talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► about when you went off on some weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► side rail about robot competitions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► don't even remember what prompted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/305">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I'm talking about robots yeah maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► the name of that course is 6.2 seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► zero its MIT is autonomous robot design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► competition and I put a link to that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► the show notes I also put it in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/316">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► week's show so if you're interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► what that is I was trying to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► old Nova episode from like the late 80s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► that showed the particular competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/323">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► that I saw and I couldn't find video it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► online but they do list all the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► competitions on their website that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► liked and one this is a way back one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► one point I was talking about was I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► got battery life or not I was banned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► bandwidth usage you asked me if Sprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► unlimited bandwidth would be a motivator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► mentioning how I and I bought the 3G [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► from my iPad I picked the middle plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► due to anchoring and all that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► uh but I didn't even come close to using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► the bandwidth whatever was to gigs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► didn't even come close to it and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► and I was using it all day and I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► mentioned that I watched Game of Thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► i netflix and of course they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► because Netflix doesn't care Game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/366">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► Thrones is usually easy and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► attention yeah well no I see I hear them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► when I listen to the episode I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/372">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► what that makes no sense but when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► talking I guess comes out too fast me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► think but anyway Game of Thrones was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/377">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► the HBO go iPad app which you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► a subscriber to HBO I believe to view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► I'm always frustrated by that app is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/383">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► can never remember what the hell my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/384">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► login well actually not to correct you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► it's not as simple as being a subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► to HBO you have to be an HBO subscriber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► appropriate cable provider really yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and many of you have HBO through RCN or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► can't get it right or for example if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► you're here in the great state of Texas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/402">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► you would like to do that and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► because most of us here are Time Warner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Cable people we want my people but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/410">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► you we're getting our HBO through Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► Warner Cable and Time Warner Cable has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► not come to any kind of agreement with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► HBO and what that means is that we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► not have the luxury of being able to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► this wonderful app that the whole rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► of the world uses and loves and benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► from we can't use it because Time Warner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/429">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► Cable and HBO they won't you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► won't sit in the same row together so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► don't get to use it let's do but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► stupid and even when you can use it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► constantly trying to figure out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► remember how do I log into this app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► convince it that I am actually a serrata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► subscriber to HBO through Verizon FiOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► blah blah blah because there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► connection to your verizon account right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► I can never remember what my login and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► password isn't I get the impression that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/457">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► two different logins and passwords to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► application alright so those are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► quick follow-ups and then I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► slightly longer follow-up that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► want to get through and enough time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/467">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► we can talk about Windows 8 this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► follow up to something you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► about on the talk show yesterday I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► believe talking about before yes we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► a lot to talk about about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/478">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► before we do I just want to say John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/479">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Gruber for those who don't listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► talk show jumping back to your markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/482">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► thing this is in my notes here John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► Gruber would whether or not he will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► a thorough response or not we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► but he is going to be listening to last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► week's episode of hyper critical to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► listen to your comments about markdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► and he may in typical Gruber fashion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► yeah well his news right and that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► be his response or he may have a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► thing so I would recommend that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► discussion of markdown probably to wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► to its end point will listen to next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► week's episode of the top show so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/512">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► markdown in every show it's an Emmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/516">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► convinced Gruber tool actually listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/517">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► them alright I think that's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► only way we can get him to listen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/521">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► show would be to talk about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► that he's known for him and has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► probably I talk about him all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► that doesn't make him listen anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► now we have the Douglas star wear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► Star Wars yeah ah he talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► well first of all I could not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► that he didn't know about the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/538">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► no insertion I didn't know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/541">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► either I'll get one Internet are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► people using not currently the wrong one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► seriously you guys are behind well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► think we're counting on you two to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► us a whole Star Wars nerd ISM there oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► I'm like I'm not I'm not reading movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► pirkled up percolates whatever comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► and I don't know how I not even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► where I read it but everybody knew man I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► mean I I feel terrible yeah so so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► discuss that a lot and my favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► about that show was that one of you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► forget which one was made worse in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/578">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► chatroom link to the amazon.com review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► complete collection did you write that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► you know 1129 reviews 829 of which are 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/585">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► stock right 70 something percent are 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► star reviews for this quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► beloved movie wipe Israel hate George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► Lucas now it's great to see that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► I always think it's like I was just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► angry Star Wars nerds the only people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/601">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► who care but the mass of humanity loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/602">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► it so I expected to go there and see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/605">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► Star Wars blu-ray 5 stars everyone loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► Star Wars but at this point I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► seems like a high number of me it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/611">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► just Star Wars nerds going out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► way to rate this badly and all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/614">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► don't know maybe this hard to tell so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► way back on hypercritical episode 13 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► talked about I again I don't how's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/621">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► topic came up but I talked about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/622">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► easy it would be for George Lucas to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/625">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► find like the very best technicians and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► artists who work for free to produce a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► digital clean version of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/632">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► trilogy without modification because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/633">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► like the most talented people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► entire industry would work so hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► him for free yeah do and do better work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► than they do for their paid work because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► it would be a labor of love to simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► preserve the original trilogy as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► existed when it was shown in theaters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► you know maybe clean it up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/650">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► for that set but the content would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/652">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► remain unchanged right and I linked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► that secret history of Star Wars the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► thing about saving Star Wars I'll link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/659">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► to it again in this show notes about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/660">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► state of the actual film negatives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/662">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► was like the fact that the cutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► pieces out of them to use in the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/667">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► things and Lucas's bogus claims about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► how the original negatives are gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► mm-hmm all sorts of stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/671">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► people should read that link again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► the show unto the demon already uh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► think we're never asking Gruber was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► that he's not gonna buy this one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► he's given that guy enough money's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► 50 cuz I had I had asked him if he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► going to be getting the the blu-ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► version of of all of the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► because that's it there that's what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► is all about is that you can go to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► favorite store or ordered on Amazon that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► all of the movies all of the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/700">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► movies are being released on blu-ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► episodes all of them all the new all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► old everything yeah they do actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► prequels I think in a separate one with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► just the real movies okay I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/712">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► don't know what anyone would buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/713">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► Complete Saga because no one should ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/714">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► have the prequels in their house if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► so and he said he wasn't gonna buy see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► already at 50 million copies now I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/723">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► many copies as well we got VHS copies a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► couple of different VHS copies one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► which i think is even actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► special edition and I do have the DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/731">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► versions of the original trilogy also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► but I also have like a DVD transfer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► the laserdisc version which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/741">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► unadulterated non special edition thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► but it's only DVD quality so these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► all standard def and the whole reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Star Wars blu-rays are big deals because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► officially available high-definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► version of the Star Wars movies as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/752">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► as I know I think there's never been any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► official high debt versions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► movies released good they look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/756">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► good visually and that's what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► initially would think weakly oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► gonna be all array it's gonna be Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► Wars when they did that the DVDs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► remember looking at them and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► lightsaber look too pink to me like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► I remembered it being redder and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/773">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► supposedly had cleaned them up and colic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► right ebay ignored like in scenes didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► have any additions than no Digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► Editions I don't know that just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► looked different to me and there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► of scholarly research on the web where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► you can find people showing scenes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► different color balances through many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/787">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► different versions people arguing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/788">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► what it should look like how it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► projected it look different because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► projector was set up badly or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► so we're I'm going to come down this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► that I may buy the original trilogy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/799">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► blu-ray for one reason and that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► is Empire Strikes Back which is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/805">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► my favorite movies of all times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► crucially the least adulterated of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► original trilogy films certainly now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► with the stupid no and Return of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/814">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► Jedi as far as I know that have not been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► any additional crap Lucas isms added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► Empire Strikes Back and the things added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► thus far have been smaller not lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► like plot altering sacrilegious content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► crap like you know Rito shooting first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► that business so that totally destroys a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► dinosaurs jumping all over the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/836">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► certainly do mine the knee replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► of the ghost at the end of Return our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/841">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► Jedi would that with Hayden Christensen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/842">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► yeah that Return of the Jedi hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► more fathers do thing now it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► unwatchable you can't even watch that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/849">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► what about the Ewoks who blink and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► can hear them blinking yeah like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► mean I think content changers are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► egregious in elements so both Return of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► the Jedi and a new hope have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► horrible content changes and Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► Strikes Back as far as I know it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/862">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► least adulterated before and as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► know in the blu-ray it continues to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► the least adulterated without any stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► content changes so what it will give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► is a much higher quality version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► Empire Strikes Back that I will actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/873">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► deign to watch even though it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► 100% pure like they painted in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► windows in the Cloud City and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► a new sequence where you fly through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/880">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► cloud city before the money falcon lands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► and stuff like that sticks out and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► annoying and I could do without it oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► the stupid scene with Darth Vader taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► his shuttle from Cloud City back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/889">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Star Destroyer as if we didn't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► he got there before now that explains it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► I did it before I was so confused when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/894">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► it appeared on the Stars bro right get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► there I have no idea so stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► I mean it's stupid but it's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► close to yeah you know Greedo shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/903">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► replacement or the no with Chuck and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► amber over so that's why I think I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► find myself in possession of an empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► a blu-ray at some point mm-hmm certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► not the prequels and the other two yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► so one last thing on this a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► mine were talking about this online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/927">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► he did a blog post recently about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and it's about George Lucas copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► and all that other business I put a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► to it in the show notes his main point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► his larger point aside from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/940">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► Lucas tweaking these films and doing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► horrible mistakes and stuff is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► basically have a eternal copyright in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/947">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► this country because of the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/948">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► Mickey Mouse clauses every time Disney's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► properties come up for a cop to to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► Disney lobbies Congress and they extend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/954">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► copyright is supposed to be for quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/957">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► unquote a limited time every time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► they just extended farther so copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► is ridiculously long and my friend his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► name is John McCoy his point was that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► the if the original Star Wars films had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► been released under the original 17-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► term of copyright I don't remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► that term is from is that the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► term in the first instance of copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► law I don't I didn't look it up but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► can but anyway I trust his his research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► here if it had been released under that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► thing we wouldn't be having this debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/986">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► because the material will be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► public domain and as he points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/990">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► criterion could release a restored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/991">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► original version with commentary by you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► know historians and fans Walmart could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► release a version with all the incest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► taken out this alliance from his article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► ya know what if they if they're offended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► by their brother and sister kissing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► know in Empire Strikes Back they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► remove that right Lucas Lucas could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► his stupid versions Jar Jar everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► right and it's a quote from this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► the point is that art with the capital a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► would be served in commerce with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► capital C little cent sign would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► served as well so it the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► know the rights holders are not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► right people to hold the rights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► things you shouldn't have them this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► longer this had been if this was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► public domain people will be making more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► money and there would be more artistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► freedom we wouldn't be having this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► debate you know it's not as if we'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► taking rights away from Lucas he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► still have the right to release his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► great version with all these special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► stuffin and if that's actually better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► people would buy it but now these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► the only versions you know as Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► point out if someone just released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► if you just released the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► trilogy and these modified ones then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► consumers could pick whichever we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► no one would care they'd be like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► those new changes think but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► instead we wouldn't all be hating Lucas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► original movies that we want to see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► hide that version so I suggest people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► a bad motivator on John McCoy's blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► strangely titled pathetic fallacy ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► faith has some sums ask us about this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► me mainly alright ok this this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► question like I didn't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► people were getting so like upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► Lukas changing the movies because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► they're his movies so shouldn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► shouldn't he'd be able to but you sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► of just answered it so just correct me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► if I if I'm not getting this right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► people the grievance people have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► this is that the original versions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► no longer available it's not solely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► he's making alterations to them so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► going to quote from John McCoy again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► who's my obi-wan on his topic you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► your obi-wan yeah at a certain point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► relevance art was more to the actions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► the audience than to the author like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► it's his when he creates it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► deserves to be able to make money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► it but once it goes out into the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► consciousness it becomes part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► culture it's no longer his it's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► the culture and he can do whatever he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► wants with derivatives of it and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► it and stuff like that but the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► Star Wars should be part of the popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► culture and should not be held captive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► for 90 years or however long to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► whims of this person so much so if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► refuses to release the original version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► of the film that we all saw in the 70s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► and 80s right that's part of the culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► that's not his anymore it's bigger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► him so he shouldn't be able to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► shouldn't I mean the laws are the laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► what I'm saying is do anything illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► or immoral or even unethical it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► bad for the culture it's it's bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► commerce not that that really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► that much but it's additionally bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► commerce and it's just bad for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► bad for arc it makes all of us unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► so again I wouldn't say what he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► doing anything legal he's not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► anything immoral and I don't think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► even doing anything unethical he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► let's say so yeah then the main gripe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► people have is not so much of he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► changing his thing the way he wants it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► fine let him do whatever the heck he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► wants it's his it's that he's also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► know being a stick-in-the-mud and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► giving us the original versions that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► all saw that we all want seriously it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► not like it's on he went added an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► additional chapter to the end of a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► like Anthony Burgess did with Clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► Orange where it changes the whole feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► of a novel and that kind of thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► saying that because the original not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► work is is essentially been redacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► it's been removed it's it's been read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► Condon there's there is no way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► back and see what was originally a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► I unless you have an original negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► from the original theatrical runs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► can't even like you know if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► movie theater so I want to show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► editions you can't even get that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► you know it please I will sell tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and I will give you money in exchange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► for people who come to see this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► and then know that we won't give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► you again that's his legal right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► don't think it's a moral or ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► thing that is just it's just worse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► our culture our culture is poorer for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► for not being able to see those movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► you know we have to just wait has one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► ever to wait till he's dead I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► copyright bill ever expire or how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► it will be with his estate that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► another thing that John McCloy brings up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► in his article talking about the James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► Joyce estate and how they've held on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► his rights for so long and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► ancestors of great artists are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► necessarily the best stewards of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► work because they're not interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► the greater benefit of the culture the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► more interested in either lining their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► pockets are protecting the works from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► any altercation alteration rather did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► you see there was an article that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► out I don't know how actually how old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► the article was but affiliate was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► recent where Steven Spielberg announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► it for his blu-ray stuff of like et that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► he is going to be removing the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► that he that he did to change it I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► the the example that I remember was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► cited was at one point The Secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► Service agents were running around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► guns and while it was during the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► where Elliot and sorry for preventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► the movie for those haven't seen et I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► guess it will get email oh you ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► social Redemption bleep okay okay fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► don't listen for the next three minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► the part where Elliot et riding and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► bike and et is up in the front and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► they're escaping after et wakes up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► the I guess it in this scene the Secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► Service agents are running around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► yeah I don't know whether it was machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► guns or pistols or whatever they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► guns and Spielberg went back in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► tweaked the heck out of this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► turned it into walkie talkies so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► were running around with walkie-talkies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► to that ad I guess uh and so he he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► changed that and he had I guess he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► betrayed the original feeling associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► with the movie and is is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► restore the original et movie the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► was originally filmed regardless of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► was changed later he's restoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► original one for this final sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► blu-ray release as well he should and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► you know if I can I'll take a second to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► armchair psychoanalyze without ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► meeting or really knowing anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► Lucas and Spielberg to compare why one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► is reversing the other has just doubled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► down Lucas has always been I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► sees himself as an outsider and always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► has seen himself as an outsider he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► wanted to get out of the Hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► system he wanted to you know do his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► thing on Scott Walker Ranch wanted to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► an independent filmmaker didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► be under the thumb of studios didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► like dealing with him always wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► be financially independent and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► us-versus-them oppressed minority thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► even though he's like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► 800-pound gorilla at this point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► this is just his attitude so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► when people criticize him for making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► changes he's not able to process that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► criticism constructively but simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► withdraws and become stubborn says oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► yeah well I'm going to add more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► debt and you know climate wheezing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► doing what Dan paper kids the kids love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► he's the grumpy kid who's like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► stubborn and just I know I won't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► the more you the more you yell about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► Spielberg is well-adjusted enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► look at the criticism and think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► so maybe they are right maybe I am going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► back and changing things because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► know my attitude may be different when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► I'm older but the a younger Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► Spielberg made that movie and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► shouldn't the work of that younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► Steven Spielberg be preserved as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► our culture as being being erased well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► giving an example of that is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► heard an interview with with Spielberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► and this was a number of years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► they were saying is there anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► you would have changed about any of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► movies and I guess they were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► about Close Encounters of the Third Kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► and by the way I'm going to ruin the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► of Close Encounters of the Third Kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► now in case you haven't seen it have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► me you haven't seen it oh wow well I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► going to ruin it for you I'm sorry this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► occasionally I will ruin movies for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► on the show uh Spielberg said well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► wouldn't have had him go at the end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► feel like as a dad now it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► irresponsible for him to go uh because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► he had a family out of you know a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► wife I'm I do having him go was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► irresponsible thing that I as a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► director without a family didn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► didn't think about didn't wasn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► aware of now I wouldn't have him go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► he didn't go back and you know airbrush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► Dreyfuss uh off the the the plank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► he left it he's maybe he regretted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► but he said you know what that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► the movie that I made another example is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► a jaws where they couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► stupid mechanical shark torch at work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► the time so they didn't have the shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► everybody said oh you know that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► great so suspenseful right because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► don't get to see the sure but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► just because they couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► special effects to work and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► worried about oh god we couldn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► stupid mechanical shark to work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► people are going to be scared by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► movie and as it turns out they're even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► more scared by not seeing it so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► couldn't go back in there the CG shark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► to all the scenes like I always wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► that mechanical shark to work him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► stupid thing wouldn't work and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► go back and edit which is kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► what Lucas did because he was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► these special effects to be just so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► have more aliens and he went back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► headed them but Steven Spielberg was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► smart enough to realize hey wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► second actually it's better without that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► everyone tells me and I find it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► true my own experience that not seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► the shark is even scarier than seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► so were you going back and adding the CG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► original it regardless whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► released original it would make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► movie worse and so he he realizes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► the case and does not go back and add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► the CG shark so I found I found the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► article not to you know beat a dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► horse or anything I found the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► put it in the show notes but it was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► the 20th anniversary edition Spielberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► made some changes to the movie and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► says some scenes of et got the CGI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► treatment to enhance his expression a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► certain description of Michael's breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► was removed and most famously the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► had their weapons replaced with walkie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► talkies and and and and he says here he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► I guess he was uh he was interviewed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► Raiders the Lost Ark event and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► if he needed to go back and change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► things in his movies the director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► responded quote I tried this once and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► lived to regret it not because a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► outraged it but simply because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► disappointed in myself I was overly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► sensitive to some of the criticism et [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► got from parent groups when was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► released in 1982 having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Elliott saying penis breath or the guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► and then there were certain other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1618">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► brilliant but rough around the edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► close-ups of et that I was felt if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► technology ever evolves to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► where I can do some facial enhancement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► for et I'd like to he said it was okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► for a while but then I realized what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► had done was I had robbed the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► loved each of their memories of et and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► regretted that which he received a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► massive applause the only contrition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► that I really performed is when et came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► out on DVD for the first time I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Universal when you released this on DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► you have to come out for the same price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► of one DVD you have to put two movies in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► the box and one movie will be the 1982 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► version and the other will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► digitally enhanced version and then he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► went on to ask the audience he says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► know we're coming out with a blu-ray of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► ET if it just came out with one ET the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► 1982 et would anyone object to that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► he says there were loud knows from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► audience and he said okay then so be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► yeah see he's at least self-aware enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► to realize like what's going like a war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► okay Cessna in the bar you in a Cessna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► I'm not an assessment that's a lawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► that's a lawn mower what kind of lawns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► do you have up there n' if you want beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► I'm pretty much done with the Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► thing so if you want you can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► sponsor before we go into Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► that's a mower yes holy cow all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► campaign monitor they've released a core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► these guys these are guys you go to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► you want a gorgeous email newsletter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► these are the guys who go because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► have they've updated their editor so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► get them the most amazing editor out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► there for creating newsletters and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► celebrate this release they're giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► away tons of these these templates they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► went to the best designers on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► and they said we want you to make us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► some templates and we'll give them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► to all of our users for free you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► campaign monitor comm slash templates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► you can see these you can also catch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► demo of their new editor in action at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► the same address and campaign monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► you know the think of it as email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► marketing software but it's for web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► designers it's it's all elegant it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► beautiful it's a hundred percent rebrand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► Abul make a ton of features you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► it for free lots of different plans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► campaign monitor comm check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► there's still no no no we're still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► you want to kill time by talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► faith about movie shed and seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► should be done like 10 minutes well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► one the one thing we've talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► I will I will mention this now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► haven't really we haven't really have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► really said this or not but there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► is a mum you and I enjoy I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► of the same movies although I'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► much into you know like they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Dragon Slayer from 1982 as you are um we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► think that you know about that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► proves you wrong I've seen the movie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► remember the little baby dragons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► remember a shield oh yeah hear that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► came out and so I'm guessing at the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► and I was expecting you to tell me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► know Dan it was 79 you fool uh not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► confused with with the Dragon Slayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► game completely different thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► the laserdisc game where you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► your little cartoon character running my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► dragon's lair think for a second what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► was that call dragon's lair lair lair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► that's what I said dragon's lair oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► missing the you're trying to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► some kind of bad pun there Slayer versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► well the movie was Slayer the movie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► lair I said not to be confused with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► dragon's lair okay okay all right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► you add a little cartoon character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► you would run and you'd supposed to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► the jump button at a certain exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► moment impossible for a you know young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► teenager to perfectly time because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► had no experience perfectly timing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► the seeking speed of a laserdisc well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► the thing was jumping not that but was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► there a jump on I thought it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► the joystick there was a joystick there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► was a jump button there was an attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► button there was everything you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► everything confusing game and it cost 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► cents to play now now I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► good doll er to play the most basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► video game but back when this game came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► out it would that was a fort that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► allowance and then you can you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► get past the second stage Oh what was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► supposed to do was I supposed to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► supposed to hit left and then you'd see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► the guy who owned the arcade joint come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► over there and play for two hours on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► a couple quarters as he'd been practiced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► prior to gauntlet you ever played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► gauntlet you're going farther down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► rathole I guess I play gauntlet who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► you in gauntlet Valkyrie we shot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► food I was either the warrior or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► health usually you know what would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and you get the boots of speed oh watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► out man watch out that's you'd run out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► there and grab all that treasure for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► other warrior be back there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► hacking away the ghosts the grunts all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► right so pop pop the stack pop the stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► here what is a hat I'm trying to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► you to clean your programmer I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► to tell you to to go back if you stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► frames return from your deeply nested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► subroutine to the higher level thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► happy for the longer you got onto this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► topic because that you kill time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► know you said kill time so this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► I do I kill the trainer I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► what the original thing was at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► point it was something about how you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► not a oh you're talking about movie us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► doing a movie thing yeah there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► Goodfellas yes we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Goodfellas on an upcoming episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► you want some day we will because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► movies that we like and this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► one of the greatest all-time movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► you you suggested early on when we first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► started doing the show I said I said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► should talk movies too because we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► lot of these movies that we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► common including Dragon Slayer which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► know is when your favorites and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► had said well Goodfellas we have to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► about that and you in fact I think went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► on to say please don't talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► with anybody else until we've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► chance to talk about because I have so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► much to say about it and I made you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► promise I would just like to say Lou we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► should announce it at least now we're we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► do have plans to do this we will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► on the show we'll do it on no other show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► I think we already announced that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► so long ago people may have forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► but yes I wanted to get dibs on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► because I was afraid you're going to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► out of Bond movies and start doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► Gruber we will not we will not be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► Goodfellas there we will do be doing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► here I was trying to like plant all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► Godfather 1 and 2 after that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► great they are you up for it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► pretend three doesn't exist and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► and so forth are you up for it and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► see how the first one goes it's gotta be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► good Phyllis it's gotta be good fuck yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► preparation for whenever we can arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► to record do we do it as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► show or is it a special separate I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► it's a special separate thing otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► the shuttle go too long okay and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► people don't want to people complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► about many topics on hypercritical that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► are not relevant to Apple or technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► huh even really in certainly Goodfellas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► so it will be a separate separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► episode yes special you had some ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► for like making a special show with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► weird title that would be you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► about movies with the fairies other host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► I would like that I feel like it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► just be you and me on that show well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► maybe I'm stirring it all right let's uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► when it was eight windows 8 Metro what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► can you say that hasn't been said at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► this point Oh what is that what is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► we got leaf blowers now but they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► tail-end can you fix this in post or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► should we just wait for leaf blowers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► go away I think it's adds a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► of character to the to the show I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► I'm not taking any of this out all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► I'll throw in another correction my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► friend John McCoy just points out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► the original copyright term was 14 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► not 17 he made a mistake in his article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► so there's a little real-time follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► a Bernard you have up there and not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► a big yard at all that's why they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► yourself no I did for a while but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► like at a certain point I spent my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► teenage years mowing my parents lawn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► they had a much bigger lawn than I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► and a certain point of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► what I'm done mowing lawns I've put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► my quota of lawn mowing and yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► much much more economical I'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► to have someone just do it for you done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► with you yeah cuz otherwise I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► spending every single weekend during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► summer just mowing the lawn and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► lawn maintenance all right that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► how I want to spend my weekends no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► hear that this is this is sort of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► outweigh the good of the one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► can we talk about how they're not gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► but they're more distant so so Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► uh I tried to watch some of the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► presentation he went on forever I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► everything there was two hosts on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► screen none the actual keynote the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► like that the first keynote of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► there was two hosts who kept going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and forth through each other and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► were just hyperactive and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► making me this is making me nervous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► watch them but so then Gruber linked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► recommended disliked the afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► keynote or some other thing it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Jensen Harris gave this talk on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► metro-style apps and if the title is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► misleading is really just like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► through the philosophy and underpinnings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► of the entire metro UI and it's 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► minutes long it's just one host and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► is kind of long and boring but I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► the whole thing and it does do a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► job of explaining the UI so while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► watching it I was making notes I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► try to make notes watching the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► but I just couldn't take any more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► I watched that whole nine you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► video I made lots of random notes so ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► they're not really that well-organized I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► just kind of go through them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► order they appear on my on my note sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► here because I think I think Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► is very interesting the first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► notice that is I and I noted this Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► as well it isn't kind of weird that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► a to publicly show broken and buggy code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► and demos like that's something it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► very different from the Apple world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► where so Apple will show like user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► preview of the upcoming Mac OS 10 line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► in Steve Jobs or whoever Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► is that his name will get up on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► and demo a pre-release version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► operating system acknowledging that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► not done yet but everything in that demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► is going to work and if it doesn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► you know it's notable right so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► though the whole lesson may not be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► everything they're going to demo has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► work just demo the parts that work don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► demo the parts that don't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► rehearse that demo six or seven times so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► that you know yeah when I do this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► these all these things are going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► right whereas Microsoft and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► demos that I saw in this age you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► traits of great metro-style apps and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► other keynote tons of stuff wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► working there was lots of you know lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► of failures and lots of people pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► at the screen and not doing what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► was supposed to do on the first second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► or third try I guess it was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► of that with uh with Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► trying to do gestures with his very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► nervous shaky fingers on the the Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► Mouse right but you know that's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► not so much as failure and software here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► I saw things happening with people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► try to touch a button on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► nothing would happen and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► reset the device at one point in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► demo he switches to the Windows desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► goes to the task manager and kills a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► relaunches and it works the second you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► know so lots really I mean I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► saying that's bad it's pretty Lea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► software but it's a different it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► different philosophy that Microsoft was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► willing to do it do and show anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► but they also didn't have the discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► to make sure that everything shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► during their demos was guaranteed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► work because they done it seven times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► before right like maybe they had done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► before but the coulee didn't go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► enough rehearsals to know whether this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► stuff was going to work maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► didn't have time so that's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► different philosophy I think and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► different also WWDC in the sessions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► not in the keynote but in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► session as a WWC you'll see stuff not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► work and stop crashes they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► some pre-release feature of an operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► system but this was public this was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► mean that's the difference I guess with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► everything that this build conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► seems to be public on they put all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► video on Channel nine for free I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► have to pay anything I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► sign up for any account I could just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► to the website and look at the video so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Microsoft is much more open and much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► more willing to show you the unfinished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► they're doing so broadly speaking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► first thing I noted when they were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► through these Metro apps is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► write them in C++ C sharp or JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► HTML and zamel which is their XML UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► definition thing that they do now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► gets back to the köppen 2010 stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► we're saying a look at Microsoft they of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► course they have their C sharp memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► manage language with the VM and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► other stuff and of course they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► JavaScript HTML which is even higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► level but there's also C++ and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► this whole big idea of a C++ Renaissance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► companies where previously C++ was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► dumped on because it was complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► features and libraries that hide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► ugly bits for you or standard people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► community is standardized in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► libraries that get rid of some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► rough edges let you do things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► previously too annoying to do yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► so it's in typical Microsoft fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► they want everything but you can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► see bus plus you can do it in c-sharp or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► just kind of in the middle there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► can even do in JavaScript you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► they're very different from Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► that philosophy is they're not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► didn't they didn't pick one language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► spanning an entire range I that's come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► becomes interesting when you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► talking about Windows unarm which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► Microsoft is doing they want to through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► different processor architecture now if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► you write your app in javascript in HTML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► for example you don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► about it running on arm because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► like there's no compiling it will run an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► arm just fine right and c-sharp because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► it runs in the common language on time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► assume will also have a similar property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► that your application will run an arm as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► long as they can get the common language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► runtime to run an arm right but your C++ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► application you will need to recompile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► if you wanted to run an arm so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► their own language range is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► spread across the the ease of getting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► to arm and I think right now people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► didn't even know well so what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► windows an arm is that important am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► going to want to do that is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► essential it's kind of a wait-and-see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► attitude so I'm not sure people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► making language choices based on arm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► this point till they see what the arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► stuff is doing so the next thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► occurred to me watching this is that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► everything but the key the key issue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Microsoft give the devs the developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► to come over to their platform like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► that's always been the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► Windows Phone they're always trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► throw money at people say if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► make your app for Windows Phone make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► Angry Birds for Windows Phone here will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► give you tons of money just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► make your cool app for Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► please please you know anybody they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► looking for anybody who does a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► mobile app on another platform to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► over and make mobile apps for Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2518">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► Phone Apple didn't have to really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► that it seems like Apple didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► do that as much maybe Apple did go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► to EA and everybody throw money at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► and get them to make iPhone games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► originally but certainly at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► people are going to iOS because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► where the money already is whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► Microsoft is trying to get them to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► to the phone and the tablet it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► same type of thing you can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► great cool platform but if you can't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► developers to come and make your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► apps for that platform you're just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► you know it's a it's a chicken-egg thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► so some of the things they were using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► developers over is the typical line you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► know some of you are going to get rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► on this platform you know put the dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► signs in their eyes you come right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► know Metro apps you will get rich some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► of you were going to build apps that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► used by hundreds and millions of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► you know because Microsoft has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► biggest ecosystem that was the big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► Microsoft you know even though I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► even though we're doing nothing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► tablet space and we're a distant third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► or fourth in the phone space right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► hardly we're the biggest ecosystem at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► Ninon they are I guess we got the PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► ecosystem but this is a tall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► they may have the biggest ego system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► there but they're not the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► ecosystem of users paying for downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► apps or for devs creating them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► they don't have anything in that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► you know they sell their apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► shrink-wrap and licenses to corporations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► they're not they're not selling it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► individual users who are downloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► them and in real time they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► millions of credit card bearing accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► and people who are trained to buy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► digitally from them or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► another phrase is you want to get in on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► the ground floor you know Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► wants a gold rush in telling you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► really want to get on the ground floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► be the first guy to make the great app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► another point they were hammering was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► have a more very more varied devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► than any other ecosystem because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► had that big display in the stage where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► they showed Windows 8 running on a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► giant PC and then a smaller PC and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► a big tablet and then a smaller tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► commends this whole huge range of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► devices you know we have the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► I don't know if I would have leaned on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► as much as they did because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► imagine anybody was on an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► developer looking dead and going oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► great more fragmentation no I don't will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► tell me how many devices you have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure what that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► selling point for developers like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► gonna make my app work on that entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► range of stuff that's on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► alright so if you've seen the Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► applications just looking to screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► before I'd watch your videos I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► these things are ridiculously simplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► no there's almost nothing on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► no nope no controls no typical chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► stuff and like not even a lot of content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► right it's just just nothing right I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► thinking how much more simplified they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► are even then Apple's latest revision of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► simplified desktop apps right so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► the address book when they changed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► stupid book thing right but but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► simplified the applications as two panes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► instead of three or iCal where they hid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► the little stuff under pop-ups that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► to be sticking out on calendars looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► like a big month calendar that's it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► were trying to simplify that application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► that's nothing compared to this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► simple Gatien this is just remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► everything so I don't know if they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► just leapt ahead of where Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► terms of simplification because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► trend is in a clear direction there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► let's just jump way it like if Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► slowly simplifying these applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► where you know forget we're gonna leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► simplified stuff ah it was making me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► aesthetics in a little bit but it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► jimana to uh note that they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► leapfrog things in simplification but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► that's a good thing or not we'll say ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► so in the UI once you see start seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► the thing in use all right I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► what made me think of as the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► introduction so the iPad came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► room stalking well Apple's gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► tablet what's it gonna be like we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► held the iPhone we wanted to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► tablet and there was lots of fantasies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► about well there was the hardware on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► side which I think everyone more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► knew what hardware was going to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► the week or so leading up the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► liked I think it did about post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► on ours where I tried to predict what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► the hardware would be and it was exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► what everyone thought it would be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► the software people didn't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► there was speculation that maybe would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► well an iOS or what kind of iOS would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► be just like that what anybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► talking about Mac os10 nothing but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► people but the reason people were think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► about Mac os10 because they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► like okay well sure iOS or iPhone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► less is great on the phone but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► bigger screen so I don't don't you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► to make right isn't it more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► computer yeah yeah you would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► different choices in terms of how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► use screen so it's like the decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► you made when the screen was tiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► fit in your hand or should be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► than the ones you make when it's big so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► that's why people say well Mabel they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► just put the full fledge mac OS x you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► could fit it on that size screen Ino is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► no good for touch about like I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► know I don't I don't think Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► being on it had really any Koreans but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► what I was thinking about was what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► they gonna do to iOS to adapt it to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► bigger screen and I remember being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► disappointed when they showed it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► stage and the home screen was the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► same grid of icons just more widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► spaced right like if someone had shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► you that as as a faked up spy photo of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► like here's a leaked photo of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► maybe like you just took a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► the the iPhone springboard and spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► the icons out there's no way Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► do that they're gonna come up with a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► interface that's appropriate for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► tablet nope it's springboard with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► icon spread out more or less you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and I was very disappointed that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► didn't try to think about how they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► be different on a tablet size screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► right and when I saw that decision again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► again back to the past we did about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► Steve Jobs and how we have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► Steve Jobs actually does so we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► assign to him whatever decisions we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► think but I thought that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► smelled like Steve Jobs and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► imaginary Steve Jobs in my head I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► imagine him being shown seven or eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► different alternatives for like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► interface on the iPad would be like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► him looking at all them and going yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► why can't me just do a grid of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► like the phone people people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► and it works why can't we just do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► don't understand why you don't why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► we just make it a grid of oh god that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► it it's just gonna be a grid of icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► who show me that I can't you see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► doing that isn't that his type about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► like thinking this why you show me all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► these fancy wizzy interfaces but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► know what the alternatives possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► could have been it's like but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► didn't we already solve this the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► just use the creative icons people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► that do it alright so we have a grid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► icons uh Microsoft did not do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► Microsoft well I don't know you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► say Microsoft to me to scale the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► Windows Phone but certainly it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► just a grid of icons it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► weird you call it a mosaic of tiles not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► emotion in practice it's very hot very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► different uh using the thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► did you see that in the videos I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► thinking about that I don't think I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► that one to describe it how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► work so instead of you know an apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► slide the little yeah thing to the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► to get your thing well they have is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► gesture based thing where you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► a big desktop pattern but a big a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► photo that's the background of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► thing so they're always putting pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► of the kids or something on there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► then you make a series of gestures on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► the picture of your kid to launch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► that's right yeah they're like poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► the left thigh poking the right eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► slide on the smiley face in your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► opens right um someone did a logo like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► here's our company logo and I swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► across the top and logo and then trace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► these little lines in the logo and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► it unlocked uh I don't think that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► mean the security of those things is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► subject to people looking at your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► at the right angle and seeing where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► finger grease trails lead and to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► out how to unlock your thing and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► imagine it being frustrated frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► if they didn't make it like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► didn't add a lot of slop in there where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► you don't have to be so precise so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► didn't exactly hit your daughter's pupil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► so we're not gonna open it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► sitting there stabbing your kid in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► face repeatedly trying to get so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► got to be really permissive but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► also makes this security not so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► not that like you know your numeric code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► one two three four on your phone is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► great either but it just struck me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► kind of weird as another thing I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► imagine Apple doing this I just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► poke your kid in the face few times to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► unlock your thing is not great but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► also see Steve Jobs trying to pimp that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► as a great feature so I could go either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► ah so the look of the thing after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► staring at Windows 8 for like an hour or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► two hours and then looking back at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► it makes iOS look old like the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► that when a new version of Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► comes out like maybe you skip like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► versions and go back to like ten point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► three or ten point two and look at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► know my god how do we even look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► with the pinstripes and the drawers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► all it's just it's just hideous right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► well if you look at Metro for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► time then you look back at iOS it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► like busy and has lots of stuff and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► of you know they call it Chrome but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► ashle rendered buttons in the toolbars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► on your iPad apps it's not a lot of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► but like oh they're made to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► it's kind of like recessed underneath a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► little you know the toolbar is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► little metal shell and there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► recessed button under it with a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► shadow on and all that shading and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► like it looks a little clunky after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► you've seen just this sort of clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► empty regions of color that they use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► Windows 8 when the Metro interface in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► Windows 8 I I don't know if that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► anything but it does it's an impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► that struck me after going from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► environment into the other like usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► that happens to Apple doing it to itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► now here's someone potentially doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► to Apple I'll have to see them in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► life to know whether that's actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► case but on the screen it looks less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► like a computer let's put it that way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► looks less like a computer then then iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► or the Mac does and that's been Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► trend is to make everything they do look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► less like a computer but this looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► really less like a computer I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► was notable that they have they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► making a big deal out of the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► all their text base lines are aligned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► like you know like within a print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► publication when you line the base line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► so the and also in a grid system and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► design type thing that's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► Microsoft would never even acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► the existence of they the pre Windows 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Microsoft here they were in a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► presentation making a big point of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► and saying you don't have to worry we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► take care of this for you but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► really important because look how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► lines up from screen to screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► know the same reason you do it in print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► it's not a revolution to figure this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► it's a revolution for Microsoft for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► actually thinking about stuff like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► for a change now as for the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► operation of this thing if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► watched the video in the show notes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► should pause the thing now and go watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► the video for 90 minutes and then sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► and come back and listen to so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► talk more watch it while you sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► yeah also I'm not going to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► everything that's in it song assume you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► already seen it but my impression of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► Start screen which is that big mosaic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► icons is it yeah it doesn't look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► computer UI what it looks like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► well before I say this let me say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► let me just this ifs no one told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► that this was Windows 8 or anything how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► you just saw a screenshot or a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► of you know that thing what does it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► like to you what other existing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► does it look like do you mean besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► the windows phone or is that the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► now besides the windows one yeah other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► thing does it look like maybe I'm dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► what does it read what does it remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► none an on computer thing an on computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► thing I all I know is computers so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► it's just me that when I when I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► it what it looks like to me is a page in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► a catalog like you know a nicely laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► out sort of avant-garde page and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► advertisement like an IKEA catalog yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► not not so much like a bunch of ads but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► like here are wares for sale we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► these lovely dishes and here these happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► people were in clothing you can buy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► advertisement yeah it looks like a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► in a catalog and if you look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► screenshots like they always put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► beautiful happy people laughing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► the beautifully photographed merchandise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► or the big close up of a flower or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► other thing you know and I look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► and it's they're nice-looking pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► but what it strikes me is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► content free content like the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► looks nice but what information is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► conveying to me or do I have to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► text right and the second thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► thought of is that's how it looks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► their demos but when the user gets this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► thing is that screen going to look so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► hot when it's not filled with super high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► quality high-res photos of models right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► when it's when it's like an avatar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► that's originally 64 by 64 and it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► scaled up to 512 we're just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► know we're not all models you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► pictures of your friends and family who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► are not as attractive and they will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► be nicely lit are these these pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► of like I could have done like dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► professionally photographed expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► things mmm where you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► pictures of your stuff that's just ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► with the flash burn on it take picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► of it on you I don't like that screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► going to look very different when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► Microsoft's marketing department filling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► that ah and I still question even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► that case whether those images convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► any information the main thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► think is a detriment to those things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► this sounds dumb but like so they kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► making point of than not being icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► that means they're not iconic it's it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► harder to identify items because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► you're looking for you know I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► for words with friends and welcome to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► the icon with the yellow square with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► little letters on it like it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► different than the other icons yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► they're all the same shape which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► bummer on the iPhone but color scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► wise and position wise you know it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► easier for me to fly another position I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► think they're doing okay with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► they do seem to have a set set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► screens and you can drag them wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► you want then make them whatever size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► you want they don't move on their own so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► I think position they're okay but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► still glancing to look for that yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► thing to confirm where you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► especially if it's not an app that use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► all the time and unlike the main screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► right and I guess their Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► argument for this so John is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► it should be about the content don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► think about the apps then you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► find the thing to tap you have to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► the thing right you could quickly find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► your newsreader right right doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► remember the position you might be okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► but if you don't know what screen you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► on I'll I'm screen number three so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► know it's always in the lower right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► you'll look in the lower right to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► confirm that that's the newsreader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► it will be some random picture of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► article but that's another thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► you're gonna do the newsreader like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► here's our newsreader look at all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► pictures the articles I read don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► beautiful high-res photos of nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► attached to every single article in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► RSS feed I don't know what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► show for typical RSS feeds that are text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► only or have ugly images but anyway like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► how will you know that's the RSS reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► without reading the text it's not iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► you can't pick it out quickly now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► really hammered on this point this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► yesterday's ways of representing apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► they were constantly slamming Apple iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and iOS s I think they should gives us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► their competitor right you know go after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► the big dog right but they were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► named them they would never say an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► never say iOS never say iPhone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► would just make Illusionist no but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► all know who they're talking about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► representing apps they're antiquities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► are all quotes they're antiquated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► interesting they're not helpful well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► yesterday's way of quoting apps is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► just like sigh we're the future they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► they're antiquated again they're old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► they're not alive that's true they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► usually not moving around unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► have the little shaky icon mode on right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► probably they're not interesting like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► I would draw the line there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► definitely helpful you know and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► easily identifiable and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► change appearance without you knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► that they're changing appearance I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► give you update an app you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► doing that on your own right so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► another quote the best tiles is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► they call little squares the best tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► are live with activity and they draw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► in I don't really want things in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► interface to be alive with activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► right it's movement draws the eye the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► old lizard brain avoid the saber-toothed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► tiger predator prey thing movement you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► can't help it movement draws your eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► it affects even you can you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► it's just a physiological fact of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and I usually don't want my eye draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► until I go that little tiles change you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► know this tiles changing oh that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► it I don't want my interface to be quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► alive with activity now whether it's raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► inner I bet I better draw you in in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► store display store displays always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► the you know it come over here look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► this I mean Apple store demos are filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► with motion they they show those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► videos on the on the devices to draw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► and as I come look at this iPad look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► this movie people moving around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► happy people smiling and you know but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► day to day use I really don't want my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► interface to be alive with activity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► should preface all this by saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► is just from looking at a video I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► no idea how it's going to be in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► life but looking at the video these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► the thoughts that are occurring to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► consciousness type of thing but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► condemning this interface without ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► having used it I'm just going on what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► have I haven't used it I haven't gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► to use it I'm just trying to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► how this is going to work out in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► so one of the points the other points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► they made is that these these animations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► are constantly summoning people back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► into your app when something new happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► and they give a bunch of examples of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► what this animation can do can remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► you of something that's supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► happen like like maybe supposed to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► appointment ever can draw you in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► being interested in going to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► application you can show you what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► application it can show you stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► happened while you're away oh oh all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► sorts of things like that reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► you'd want your child to be alive with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► activity and interesting now some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► application is not running giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► information so you don't have to launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► it you can just look at the tile like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► the weather app what if it shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► little sunny rainy thing and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► temperatures and a three-day forecast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► right on the top you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► launch it and this is a big complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► with like the pre iOS 5 lock screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► information there except for the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► and maybe a notification or two um and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► the fact that all you can do is bad your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► icons show that hey to think new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► happen but you don't know if this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► new email from someone important or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► just in your spam stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► there are very useful innovations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► tile concept but this this push to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► alive with activity and just the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► they showed are currently cycling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► through these seven pictures of models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► love things that's not useful that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► that's distracting that's I guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► good for a demo but I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► that on my tablet I rather have it stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► updating with interesting information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► not scrolling this across they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► anime like the pictures don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► change they like fade from one to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► other scroll up words like blinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► changing or whatever I bet you like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► elk our center face a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► the water L cars interface L cars yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► like Star Trek I don't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► that it's a you you're way beyond my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► Star Trek knowledge I am NOT I'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► I know think I know the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► talking about them with the belt those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► sort of like solid lines with making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► curved rectangle little skinny fonts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► yeah so another point that was made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► about these tiles is it they are single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► hit targets it's not like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► interact they're not like little apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► like you know when you go to dashboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► you have a widget and there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► controls on it and buttons and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and you can fiddle with them even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► these tiles are filled with stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► animating and have lots of text and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► other stuff there's just one hit target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► there you put your finger on and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► whole thing is selected you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► interact with it in tile form so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► trying to keep things simple and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► site you can look at it but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► interactive you have to punch the app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► do something with it now all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► sort of making iOS look old not looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► interesting because lurking underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► all that stuff is the Windows desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► occasionally they pull away the covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► you're like oh my god what is that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► and that was the question I actually had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► is it is it beneath it or is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► separate ad that gets launched it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► semantics of you know is it always gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► it well I mean you define it the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► point that I think is that it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► always running like that environment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► not always running right all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► when it is running is it is underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► on top of blob was just you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► the same Windows kernel that's running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► everything it's just you know there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► very few processes in this Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► environment is one of them so the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► I make aesthetically is when they when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► they pull back that curtain and show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► show the hideous underbelly of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► like they were showing all this nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► stuff where everything is aligned all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and all the the graphics are beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► and the typography is beautiful and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► animations and everything is smooth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► evenly spaced out and then they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► jump back for a second to show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► here's where you're going to build your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► apps this is Visual Studio right and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► shows Visual Studio is like an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► dialog box and it like your back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► world where everything is poorly spaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► all that the fonts are tiny and skinny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► and invisible and just the controls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► ugly and this gradients everywhere just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► the spacing alone it just kills me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► you look at a window screenshot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► controls and the white space around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► is just like arbitrary it's like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► puked a bunch of controls onto your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► screen certainly visual studios like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► that too you know that's it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► contrast between that world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► Microsoft was like mad make sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► controls are there make sure you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► this and I don't care if that graphic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► from ten years ago and it's 16 colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► and throw a grating on that yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► looks nice that's all the people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► gradients now maybe reflection you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► it blurry and transparent anyway just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► just throw it all on there that world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► so different from this Metro world yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► and it's such a contrast when you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► them on the same device and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► I couldn't tell if the guy was disgusted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► to have to show Visual Studio since like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► he was like gung-ho for like I'm mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► Metro he was very enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► Metro and the way things should be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► uh he seems like he would fit right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► an apple yeah right yeah then he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► show that other thing that's underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► there ah now he was showing Visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► Studio pieces like here's when you build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► a metro wrap check this out look this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► what you start with you start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► template a template has a bunch of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► laid out with you and all your text base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► lines already aligned this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► title of your app goes and you know air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► your margins and so and so forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► templates to it templates are like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► help you get started it's not as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► according this template this is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► to give you a leg up but when I see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► I have to think like oh is that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► going to be kind of constraining for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► people or like because is your choice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► use one of these templates or just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► all on your own and make a crappy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► so when I see templates I'm like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► that mean is going to be a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► cookie cutter applications all using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► this template that all look exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► same except for the content of the tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► you know text to your image here a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► of tiles you swipe back and forth on is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► that going to be it that it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► think that whoever came up with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► these templates and they sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► don't have to do it we can do it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► Microsoft's historical weakness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► their developers make crappy apps I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► not bad like you know they're not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► from a perspective of an Apple person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► like that they're not they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► the Apple attention to detail they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► if they don't have the Metro attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► to detail basically like all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► things this philosophy of Metro and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► terms of design aesthetic and adherence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► to a particular system for the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► things should look and behave is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► very app alike and historically Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► applications have not been like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► developers can do whatever the hell they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► want and they do and it seemed like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► of the developers who really cared about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3898">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► every single pixel of their applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► we're not on Windows they were on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Mac platform or you know some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► platform where that for whatever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► draws those type of people to that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► Metro even if Metro was like the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► Microsoft faces the challenge of either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► taking their current stable developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► and changing their value system the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► way Microsoft seems to have changed its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► value system or at least within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Metro team Microsoft volume is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► different from Metro than for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► of Windows they have to either get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► existing developers at this conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► to change their value system to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► more like Apple developers sweating over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► every pixel like you know panic or icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► factory or something or they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► recruit new developers from other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► philosophy and attract them to theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and I think Metro being so interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► and different and so designer II will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► maybe the templates and all of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► no you don't have to do it for you whoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3958">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► here here's a template here's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► just you just give us the image you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► just a lot about interface and metros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► like that you give us an image you give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► us the text we will lay it out for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► it's like we don't trust you to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► this box and lay out your content in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► hours for example interface builder on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► the Mac you can just drag out a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► snapping to the aqwal grid guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► but Apple is more or less trusting Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► developers to make pleasing dialog box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► which can be difficult very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► relay all those controls so they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► know easy to find easy to scan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► visually appealing the guides help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► you could even get more the guys you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► all seen Mac apps that have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► poorly laid out dialogue boxing like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► geez who made this thing but by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► large the best Mac apps are not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and the best windows apps even the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► made by Microsoft are still like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► pretty crappy so hmm I had a slide near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► principles and the number one Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► design principle which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► very revealing in but and goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► we're just talking about the number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► Metro design principle it's pride in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► craftsmanship hmm the fact that's number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► one I would have been insulted if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► in that audience like what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► trying to say you trying to say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► making Windows app sooner is making crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► we don't care what we make we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► pride no craftsmanship we just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► make the you know fill in the form bla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► bla bla hit the button and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► works that was their number one can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► imagine Apple going to WWC and say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► number one principle Mac OS 10 what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► we're telling you developers when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► make your apps have this in mind is have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► pride in what you do yeah I can craft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► JIT everyone in WEC thinks they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► making the best app in the world they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► gonna kill themselves to try to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► the best app normal that's a great point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► maybe less so with like iOS apps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► know with big game companies sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► craftsmanship has not been the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► on the Mac platform sir is platform well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► more than iOS that is led in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► since it's been the gold rush there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► lack of pride of gratitude from a crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► absent in the iOS store like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► churning out 50 applications bogus fraud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► applications or just you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► have something on iOS that is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► lowered the pride in craftsmanship but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► those aren't like those are outsiders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► you know from the respect that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► community for a long time is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► Mac developers and the next developer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► definitely a pride in craftsmanship in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► iOS just because it's been so successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► as as attracted the other people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► Microsoft is talking to it's humungous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► installed base of Windows developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► saying have pride in craftsmanship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► the other ones were be fast and fluid do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► and a bunch of other stuff like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► the pride and craftsmanship really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► me you know who's got a lot of pride and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► craftsmanship for real I bet your family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► Shopify com the Internet's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► elegant customizable and affordable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► hosted ecommerce platform you can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► advantage of Shopify thriving theme and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► application community which is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► crafts on a ship lets you add depth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► beauty to your site you can customize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► your own storefront using HTML and CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► JavaScript if you like but no Perl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► and for a limited time usually they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► have this thing where it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► month for free and I said listen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► one month that's not special and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► who cares about one month I want three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► months and I want all of my listeners to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► get three months and they said there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► no way we can do three months can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► I said that's forget it you know get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► of here I don't care it we're done we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► done here and I got up from the table I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► walked out and they ran after they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► fine fine we will do three months free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► for your listeners they have to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► special code though I said fine what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► the code and they said five by five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► I looked at them and I stuck out my ant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► I said let's make it let's make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► reality right now and they said you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► it Shopify com code is five by five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► three months free you should add it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► apart but they had to go to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► manager I got that's my man I could ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► my and they go back no that's not how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► went down I'm not gonna lie all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► yeah okay your story all right that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► much more than Windows 8 stuff let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► ask you this let me let me cut to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► chase here I'm not gonna skip to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► I'm gonna say over another show you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► no god no that's please please do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► what's the verdict here on this do do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► you do you think Windows 8 Metro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► going to make any Mac users say well I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► guess I can finally go back to Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► now I mean what how does this affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► Windows in general not from mainly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► sounds like what you've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► about as a developer standpoint because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► obviously that's that's what you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► certainly I and probably our audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► are interested in but is this going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► revitalize because look look at what Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► certainly subsequent versions and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► 10 dotto to look at what Mac OS 10 did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► for Apple is this Metro going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► for Windows for the PC platform do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► think because think about this Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► isn't just competing with Mac OS 10 its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► competing with older versions of Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► and it's also competing with things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► everything else that's out there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► what is this going to do is is this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► Microsoft has been waiting for and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► will add a rider question on to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► question which is why not just call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► Metro when there are no more windows as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► asked by John Gruber go alright so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► impression I get from the Apple thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► revitalized or broad new people to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► Mac platform it's a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► in that what what Matt goes tempered did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► first of all was it brought the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► people to the Mac platform there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► next people there was Mac people and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► Mac people were small in the next people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► were vanishingly small and it brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► those two groups together but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► makeup of those two groups was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► similar those are the people who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► obsessive pride and craftsmanship the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► Mac people were very already the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► next people were kind of technical but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► the reason they were using these really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► low market share obscure platforms is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► because the particular technical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► attractive enough that they were willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► to forego you know developing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► Windows developing for the big platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► where they could make way more money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► you know so that was the content of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► Mac and next communities before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► advent of Mac OS 10 and those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► were trying to make good apps they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► trying to make good next apps and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► Mac people were trying to make good Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► apps and they they were but it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► of like toiling in obscurity right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► when Mac os10 came along and Apple found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► a way to start selling its hardware to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► more people and you know to get out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► reverse the PR death spiral that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► company was in and the financial death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► spiral which triggered the PR does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► Fowler to make it so that you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Apple they still in business changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► that to be hey Apple have you seen this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► new Apple Computer the iMac it's blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► you know they that reversal so getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► people in the door to buy Macs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► trying to you know make the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► viable make it successful and grow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► platform at the same time as combining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► the tiny little pool of next people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► the slightly less tiny pool of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► developers suddenly those guys had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► bigger audience and lo and behold you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► know like when the users came along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► say look at all these great apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► this for this platform that I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► heard of before on this this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► nice-looking app I like this like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► FTP app this transmit thing this is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► nicer than whenever I was using on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► Windows how did this thing get here well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► those guys were already there they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► making that app before you even heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► the iMac before the iMac even existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► before you idiot when you thought apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► out of business they were making apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► you know uh so it kind of gave the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► eventually the iOS did the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► gave that team someplace to to sell its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► wares but we already have the team like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► same thing when iOS came along it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► like alright anybody who was really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► mac toolbox and couldn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► transition to cocoa has pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► faded out by now so it's just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► cocoa guys and we're gonna do iOS which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► is very cocoa like and UI kid is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► much like app kit but a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► better and we shaved off the edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► it's made by the same guys who learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► lessons of app kit and you guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► familiar with that stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► tools you know the language here's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► mobile platform go same team even bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► audience and and people love now we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► this other developer base of like once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► the audience gets to a certain size then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► the people making the crap app start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► coming out you know the game cheap code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► keyword spamming piece of crap crashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► thing you know the hundred thousand apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► in the App Store 100 million or having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► me I don't even know how many there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► now so much of those are crap just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► because so much of everything is crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► but the good ones are really good now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► Microsoft one team it's got a team two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► it's got a humongous team it's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► guys who make Windows software that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► their team right that's I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► that team is ready to make apps to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► Metro apps the quality that Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► wants them to because if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► they'd be making much better Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► apps in there now I'm sure there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► great Windows apps out there too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► like even the very best of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► Windows apps maybe they're held back by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► the toolkit maybe it's just that Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► controls and the tools that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► given it's just like they can't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► the system phone system pause a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► bit too small and the official spacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► is a little bit tight and where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► buttons are supposed to go and the per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► the prevalence of Wizards I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► what's making Windows apps crappy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► the perspective of a Mac user and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► confusing and less pleasing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► respect of a regular consumer then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► know an iPad app or an iOS app or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► maybe maybe you give that team this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► toolkit maybe they do make great apps I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► don't know but the Mac guys had a crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► toolkit when they were doing classic Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► OS like that thing it was way past its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► sell-by date they were still making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► great apps with those horrible tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► you know Metro work just like a breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► of fresh air for them using like right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► yeah yeah MPW Macintosh programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► workshop and mr. C and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► they were still able to make great apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► that we all loved even given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► horrible environment so I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► the team Microsoft's got is up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► challenge of making the apps that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► want so that leaves you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► fine so pull somebody else pull some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► other team now Apple benefit greatly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► getting the next team both internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► the people who work for next became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► Apple people who ran the show basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► from then on technically and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► next developers you know you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► develop applications and became the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► great Mac and the great iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► Microsoft didn't acquire anybody who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► a little stable of great developers as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► far as I know maybe like maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► danger guys I think that whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► went bad with holes Kim I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► those guys are still there but then out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► in the third-party world like had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► developers I don't think so so they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► to they have to poach they have to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► mean they have to pull Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► you know pull iOS developers it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► great if they could do that ah do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► want a plan droid developers maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► maybe what they're looking for is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► beautiful minimal interface according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► a strict set of standards that are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► limited maybe they don't maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► don't want those guys so that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► that I think is their met their first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► the second challenge second challenge is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► how the hell we going to get people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► make the apps that we want because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► they're pushing hard they know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► want they know the kayaks they want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► they're they're really hoping that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► community developers all those guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► the audience they will do it for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► and if they can't do that they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► start poaching at their first challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► number one or maybe number zero is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► have to execute in ship this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► I don't know what the schedule thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► like a year from now these are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► gonna be ready they got the execute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► execute execute and ship ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► execute and update don't do what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► did with Windows Phone which was ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► promise you're gonna have an updated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► copy-and-paste and like do nothing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► months and months and months they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► to get it done get it bug free and ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► it and then ship the next version then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► ship the next version ship the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► review they have to do you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► do the Apple thing they have to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► execute so assuming the execute then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► their second challenge like I said is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4678">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► get developers get people to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► great apps can they poach from the B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► world of iOS and Mac developers I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► they have a legitimate shot I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► Mac developer or an iOS developer will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► be more inclined to say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► I'm going to try another version of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► app and actually I'm going to make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► Windows 8 version I have been resisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► import to Android but I'm going to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► I'm going to try that like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► thought of this one I should with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► slide of saying we didn't give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► getting contracts we will do the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► row but about the contracts thing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► other type of things you can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► doing in Windows 8 huh you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► what kind of applications might use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► feature XY and Z and one of the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► that listed was read it later services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► and I thought of Marco who is thus far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► not wanted to do an Android version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► that app maybe he'd be more inclined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► do some sort of Windows 8 integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► for Instapaper than he would for Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► just because the tools are better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► the platform owner is more friendly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► it's not it's like kind of desktop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► know it's kind of this weird hybrid 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► interface you're not doing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► phone you're doing in a larger thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► like basically also you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► more interesting than Android because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► it's not just a pale imitation of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► potentially there's a big base out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► Microsoft can convert its entire desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► PC base to running Windows 8 suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► this work that you're done can run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► every PC in the world basically except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► for Mac's right and by the way also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► tablets stuff like that so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► have a legitimate shot of pulling some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► people over now what those people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► experience is like like oh so we decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► to make Windows 8 port and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► horrible experience because the tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► are bad or the whole thing was buggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► that's not good or we decide to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► Windows 8 port but it was pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► because Microsoft could not sell like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► they couldn't get people upgrade from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► Windows 7 they couldn't get people off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► xp they couldn't sell on all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► running away whatever the problem was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► like they once they pull those two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► three or four guys over maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► whatever that's to do they have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► that experience beneficial like we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► an Android port it was a big hassle we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► got nothing we did a Windows 8 port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► it was a much nicer experience and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► seen some financial reward from it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► was a fun experience or I like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► result I think it's cooler I've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► metro tablet and it's it's fun for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► use and I like it I never launched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► Windows desktop part of it you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► forget at this point I forgotten my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► original question was but I hope I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► answered it well I think he did I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► he more than did um Oh interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► see where they go with this I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► it's a year away though right nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► months or is it a year yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► that's just like says the Microsoft way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► they're showing up early I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► they had to because otherwise you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► everyone had written Microsoft off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► already and this gave them new life uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► hopefully we don't forget about them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► year and hopefully they'll keep the yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► the flow of PR going to say yeah no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► we're really doing this it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► gonna ship having done it have they done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► that before come out with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► announced it and then sort of forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► about it not ship that they've done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► with some no I'm lighting sorry I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► the public forgetting about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► they're not in our face reminding us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► that they're gonna do this thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► sometimes margasoft is also done in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► face yeah the slates stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► like they shop about it because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► realize it was going nowhere but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► this is too Jake this is me this is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Windows 8 like Windows 7 they were kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► of in our face about like here's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► windows like in Windows 8 is this is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► bigger than Windows 7 so I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► will keep reminding us they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► do it and then they had to say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► early because if they didn't say either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► way till the end of this year to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► they just did now we'd be like God too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► yeah I mean it may already be too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► in terms of the tablet market we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► but this Microsoft style sure show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► early and you know do what you got to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► to get people excited about it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► have way more Windows 8 stuff so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4903">TS</a>]
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01:21:46 ◼ ► Windows 8 the next show also probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+IpnyCHAY/4906">TS</a>]
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